WEBVTT - Cowboys Break: Next Man Up 0:00:03.560 --> 0:00:06.000 The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:06.000 --> 0:00:07.640 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. 0:00:09.920 --> 0:00:15.720 Cowboys Let's go. 0:00:16.160 --> 0:00:17.320 Are you ready for a break? 0:00:17.600 --> 0:00:17.880 Yes? 0:00:18.160 --> 0:00:19.759 Are you ready for a break? 0:00:19.880 --> 0:00:22.680 Absolutely ready for a break? 0:00:22.760 --> 0:00:26.520 Yeah, and so much for that. It's time for The 0:00:26.680 --> 0:00:33.199 Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com with Ambar Garcia, Brian 0:00:33.320 --> 0:00:36.960 brought Us, Nick Harris, and Derek Eagleton. 0:00:39.720 --> 0:00:43.479 It is twos that July thirtieth, twenty twenty four, Season twenty, 0:00:43.520 --> 0:00:44.640 episode number eleven. 0:00:44.680 --> 0:00:45.680 Welcome to the latest. 0:00:45.520 --> 0:00:50.279 Edition of The Break, live from uh On, California. Yeah, 0:00:50.280 --> 0:00:52.080 as soon as we start up then they want to 0:00:52.080 --> 0:00:54.680 do the blowers. Anyway, we got a great show planned 0:00:54.680 --> 0:00:57.200 for you guys today. We're brought to you by LG. 0:00:57.760 --> 0:01:00.920 LG is the world's number one OLED TV brand for 0:01:00.960 --> 0:01:04.800 seven years and counting. See why at LG dot Com, Forward, 0:01:04.880 --> 0:01:06.160 slash O, led Evo. 0:01:07.600 --> 0:01:08.920 There you go today. 0:01:09.160 --> 0:01:10.679 Yeah, good to be back of you guys. It was 0:01:10.680 --> 0:01:13.880 an off day for the players on yesterday. Today they 0:01:13.920 --> 0:01:15.640 crank it up, and they really crank it up. 0:01:15.680 --> 0:01:15.960 Today. 0:01:16.000 --> 0:01:17.880 Pats come on for the first time, so it should 0:01:17.920 --> 0:01:20.200 be a lot of fun. A lot of things to 0:01:20.480 --> 0:01:23.360 look out for before we get into that though obviously 0:01:23.440 --> 0:01:26.960 the news that came from the weekend Sam Williams, mcl 0:01:27.120 --> 0:01:30.840 and ACL tear. What does this mean for Sam Williams 0:01:30.920 --> 0:01:34.080 Because this was a year where I feel like most observers, 0:01:34.480 --> 0:01:36.920 even those in the front office, looked at this as 0:01:36.959 --> 0:01:39.399 a year where I think they were expecting Sam to 0:01:39.400 --> 0:01:40.280 take that next step. 0:01:40.319 --> 0:01:41.520 What do you think is next for him? 0:01:41.920 --> 0:01:44.400 Yeah, this is tough for him. It was like you said, 0:01:44.440 --> 0:01:46.319 I think a lot of people were expecting him to 0:01:46.520 --> 0:01:49.080 take that next step because of the opportunity that was 0:01:49.080 --> 0:01:51.280 in front of him. You saw Dorn's Armstrong and Dante 0:01:51.320 --> 0:01:54.080 Fowler Junior leave over the offseason and go to Washington, 0:01:54.320 --> 0:01:57.080 and that just completely opened the floodgates for Sam Williams 0:01:57.160 --> 0:01:59.560 to be able to take on both of their snaps, 0:01:59.600 --> 0:02:02.520 both A Day productions. I mean, Dorren's Armstrong was a 0:02:02.520 --> 0:02:05.000 guy that was second in sacks only behind Micah Parsons 0:02:05.000 --> 0:02:07.200 on this team for the last two seasons, and the 0:02:07.320 --> 0:02:10.400 expectation was that Sam Williams could probably be Micah Parson's 0:02:10.440 --> 0:02:13.640 running mate as that athletic presence off the edge, whether 0:02:13.680 --> 0:02:16.040 he rotates in for Mico or they come off on 0:02:16.080 --> 0:02:18.320 both edges with each of those guys. I mean, that 0:02:18.360 --> 0:02:20.880 could have been a deadly little duo. But now he's 0:02:20.880 --> 0:02:22.760 gonna have to sit a whole season and that puts 0:02:22.800 --> 0:02:24.880 a lot of pressure here on this edge depth, which 0:02:24.919 --> 0:02:27.880 I'm sure we'll dive into as well. But for Sam Williams, 0:02:27.880 --> 0:02:30.239 it's super tough because he had the best opportunity of 0:02:30.280 --> 0:02:33.200 his career going into twenty twenty four, going into his 0:02:33.280 --> 0:02:35.679 third season, and now unfortunately he's gonna have to watch 0:02:35.680 --> 0:02:36.440 from the sidelines. 0:02:36.919 --> 0:02:38.120 Yeah, it really sucks. 0:02:38.160 --> 0:02:40.160 And I mean we did that campaign out show the 0:02:40.240 --> 0:02:42.919 night before, we talked quite a bit about him and 0:02:43.880 --> 0:02:47.240 what we were looking for this season. He was in 0:02:47.400 --> 0:02:51.880 such a great spirit, his energy. I mean, he's one 0:02:51.880 --> 0:02:53.519 of the best, and I get it. A lot of 0:02:53.560 --> 0:02:56.640 people criticize him, and obviously, yes, we see all the 0:02:56.639 --> 0:02:59.960 penalties he draws on the field. Sometimes he doesn't think 0:03:00.120 --> 0:03:03.760 ahead too well. But at the same time, he's a 0:03:03.800 --> 0:03:06.840 guy that has the drive and that has the competitive 0:03:07.200 --> 0:03:11.240 competitive ness to put in the work and I was very, 0:03:11.360 --> 0:03:13.880 very excited to look forward to see what he was 0:03:13.960 --> 0:03:16.440 gonna be able to do this training camp. Like you mentioned, Nick, 0:03:16.880 --> 0:03:19.760 the opportunities that he had in front of him and 0:03:19.800 --> 0:03:23.360 it's just it's devastating. He was in so much pain 0:03:23.440 --> 0:03:25.720 when he got injured. He laid on the ground for 0:03:26.040 --> 0:03:30.680 quite a few minutes there in pure pain. So it's 0:03:30.760 --> 0:03:33.320 just it's it sucks to see such a young guy 0:03:33.400 --> 0:03:36.920 at a key moment in his career get the year 0:03:37.000 --> 0:03:40.840 taken away. But now, I mean, we know next man 0:03:40.960 --> 0:03:44.480 up type of situation. Now it's the younger guys. Marshall Neelan, 0:03:44.560 --> 0:03:48.520 he's a guy that everyone's looking to next now that 0:03:48.600 --> 0:03:51.360 he got drafted, and that's a lot of pressure for 0:03:51.360 --> 0:03:54.320 for a rookie. But let's see what h and also 0:03:54.400 --> 0:03:56.200 what the Cowboys are gonna do if they're gonna end 0:03:56.280 --> 0:03:58.160 up signing some free agent guy. 0:03:58.480 --> 0:04:03.040 Yeah, there's it is a very difficult loss, but especially 0:04:03.080 --> 0:04:07.760 considering with armstrong fouther guys going out the door and 0:04:07.800 --> 0:04:10.680 you're losing some depth there. And then the thought was, okay, 0:04:10.720 --> 0:04:14.160 here's a guy that we really thought enough of. You 0:04:14.160 --> 0:04:16.440 know when you look at where he was selected, and 0:04:16.600 --> 0:04:21.159 you know, there's I'll challenge anybody to find plays where 0:04:21.480 --> 0:04:25.480 he plays a low number of plays but has productive snaps. 0:04:25.520 --> 0:04:27.840 Now he'll have some where he'll go low into a 0:04:27.960 --> 0:04:31.320 quarterback's knees or he'll hit hands to the face and 0:04:31.760 --> 0:04:33.440 you know, and you're trying to get off the field 0:04:33.440 --> 0:04:35.560 on third down, but he's also a guy that could 0:04:35.600 --> 0:04:38.360 get you off the field on third down. And visit 0:04:38.440 --> 0:04:41.800 with Mike Zimmer about that they had a plan for him, 0:04:41.920 --> 0:04:45.320 like seventy seventy five percent of the snaps, we're going 0:04:45.400 --> 0:04:47.960 to be some packages and things that they were going 0:04:48.040 --> 0:04:51.000 to do with him, And so this is a big loss, 0:04:51.320 --> 0:04:55.799 am Bar. You mentioned Marshawn Kneelan. He's shown up really 0:04:55.839 --> 0:04:58.200 well in the early part of the camp. We'll have 0:04:58.320 --> 0:05:00.880 pads out here today. I'm interested to see how that 0:05:00.920 --> 0:05:04.560 goes for him. But he's showing some quickness off the ball. 0:05:04.800 --> 0:05:08.240 I anticipate him getting a lot more work. He has 0:05:08.320 --> 0:05:10.640 been getting a lot work, but now it'll be even 0:05:11.160 --> 0:05:12.320 more prevalent. 0:05:11.960 --> 0:05:14.480 Out there, I think, with the opportunities that he'll get. 0:05:14.640 --> 0:05:16.440 Yeah, I think the interesting part about that is I 0:05:16.440 --> 0:05:19.040 think there are two things. One, I think it was 0:05:20.160 --> 0:05:23.120 interesting to me that he got hurt on a special 0:05:23.160 --> 0:05:27.479 teams type drill, which I've always wondered, like I'd much 0:05:27.560 --> 0:05:29.720 rather see him out there on defense and on special 0:05:29.720 --> 0:05:31.760 teams because special teams is where it seemed like there 0:05:31.800 --> 0:05:33.520 was some of those moments that would show up that 0:05:33.560 --> 0:05:37.320 were like what was that? You know, it's just but again, 0:05:37.360 --> 0:05:39.840 these are just you can't really predict them. 0:05:40.040 --> 0:05:43.280 These things happen. But even beyond that, I think. 0:05:43.160 --> 0:05:45.039 One of the most interesting things for me about where 0:05:45.080 --> 0:05:49.120 they go from here is my expectation is they probably 0:05:49.120 --> 0:05:52.880 went into this camp thinking that Sam was definitely going 0:05:52.960 --> 0:05:55.400 to be a part of the rotation, and they were 0:05:55.400 --> 0:05:58.599 probably gonna get some from from Nyland as well hopefully, Yeah, 0:05:58.640 --> 0:06:00.680 and that was going to be there for man kind 0:06:00.680 --> 0:06:04.479 of in rotation. Now the question becomes it's not simple 0:06:04.560 --> 0:06:06.280 enough just to say well Neeland pushes up. 0:06:06.600 --> 0:06:07.880 The question becomes who's. 0:06:07.600 --> 0:06:09.480 That fourth guy, and you start throwing out names like 0:06:09.560 --> 0:06:11.840 tyrus Weet who popped up last year and kind of 0:06:12.360 --> 0:06:16.479 did some decent things at camp. You got Junior free Jolko, Like, 0:06:16.560 --> 0:06:18.400 who steps up to be that fourth guy? 0:06:18.400 --> 0:06:20.159 I think is the bigger question at this point. 0:06:20.240 --> 0:06:22.960 Yeah, you have Villiami Fojoco Junior, a fourth round pick 0:06:23.000 --> 0:06:24.760 from a year ago, and he didn't see the field 0:06:24.760 --> 0:06:28.040 at all last year, So I think there's an expectation 0:06:28.160 --> 0:06:29.760 that he has to be the guy to be able 0:06:29.760 --> 0:06:33.919 to step up and make an impact. But also, whenever 0:06:34.000 --> 0:06:35.839 dan Quinn was here, he was a guy that was 0:06:35.839 --> 0:06:37.880 maybe sliding in and playing in a little three tag 0:06:37.960 --> 0:06:40.320 and then pushing back out to five. So how does 0:06:40.320 --> 0:06:42.880 his versatility kind of play into that. He's definitely not 0:06:42.960 --> 0:06:45.200 a Sam Williams clone, if that's what you're looking for, 0:06:45.320 --> 0:06:47.960 But that Sam Williams clone is not on this roster. Right. 0:06:48.240 --> 0:06:50.680 You also have Durrell Johnson. He's a twenty twenty three 0:06:50.720 --> 0:06:52.960 undrafted free agent who was on the practice squad last 0:06:53.000 --> 0:06:56.360 year out of Liberty. He's a guy that Will McLay 0:06:56.400 --> 0:06:58.960 had mentioned almost immediately as somebody who would have at 0:06:59.040 --> 0:07:01.440 least an opportunity going into this week. And then you 0:07:01.480 --> 0:07:04.400 mentioned Tyrus Weed. He played a lot with the linebackers 0:07:04.480 --> 0:07:07.080 last year, and then whenever he found his active roster 0:07:07.160 --> 0:07:09.840 spot about halfway through the season, he was kind of 0:07:09.920 --> 0:07:11.960 rotating in with the edge group as well, but mainly 0:07:12.000 --> 0:07:13.640 just a special teams guy at the end of the day. 0:07:13.680 --> 0:07:16.080 But I think those three guys are going to have 0:07:16.160 --> 0:07:18.160 the first shot, and it's probably gonna be a shot 0:07:18.160 --> 0:07:20.880 that lasts, you know, however long into training camp, however, 0:07:20.920 --> 0:07:23.360 long into the preseason and then I think the Cowboys 0:07:23.400 --> 0:07:25.160 are going to have to make a decision probably going 0:07:25.200 --> 0:07:28.160 into that third preseason game or coming out of it saying, hey, 0:07:28.200 --> 0:07:30.280 how do we feel about this edge depth? Do we 0:07:30.320 --> 0:07:32.080 need to add a body here? I mean, there's still 0:07:32.120 --> 0:07:34.480 a couple of veterans out on the market right now. 0:07:34.520 --> 0:07:36.280 Cause I mentioned a couple of veterans out on the 0:07:36.280 --> 0:07:39.400 market as long as they're free agency, okay, Carl Carl 0:07:39.480 --> 0:07:41.680 Lawson and Yunique and Gacway. I mean those are two 0:07:41.680 --> 0:07:43.960 guys who have been super productive at different stops in 0:07:44.000 --> 0:07:46.200 their career. I mean, in Goakway he's been with six 0:07:46.240 --> 0:07:48.680 different teams in the last five years, which is kind 0:07:48.680 --> 0:07:52.720 of crazy. So you know, heyme come bring the journey along. Maybe. 0:07:53.000 --> 0:07:53.200 Yeah. 0:07:53.200 --> 0:07:55.600 I feel like and you mentioned some really good names. 0:07:55.640 --> 0:07:58.520 Had a chance to look at four different guys free 0:07:58.560 --> 0:08:02.000 agency wise, and the guy I liked the best was 0:08:02.120 --> 0:08:05.400 Charles Harris, who was with the Detroit Lions. I felt like, though, 0:08:05.960 --> 0:08:08.080 I if I'm Will McLay or I'm in the pro 0:08:08.160 --> 0:08:11.760 department here with the Cowboys and I'm bringing names, I'm 0:08:11.800 --> 0:08:15.200 trying to find somebody that has similar traits to the 0:08:15.240 --> 0:08:18.160 guy lost. And I think that when you mentioned the 0:08:18.240 --> 0:08:22.720 Carl Lawson's and then Gackways and stuff like that, similar traits. 0:08:23.000 --> 0:08:25.120 But I think Charles Harris, when you watched him with 0:08:25.160 --> 0:08:27.800 the Lions, and even watching him play against the Cowboys 0:08:28.400 --> 0:08:30.440 last year, you could kind of pick up some stuff. 0:08:30.640 --> 0:08:34.080 The initial quickness off the ball, the explosiveness, the ability 0:08:34.240 --> 0:08:36.920 might play the run better than even what you had 0:08:36.960 --> 0:08:39.440 with Sam Williams. So you know, a guy that can 0:08:39.520 --> 0:08:43.120 hold the edge has some power but has some pass rushability. 0:08:43.600 --> 0:08:46.640 So if you're into that market, all these guys are 0:08:46.720 --> 0:08:50.000 kind of twenty nine years old, and can you say, 0:08:50.280 --> 0:08:52.360 all right, we can get them on a deal. Maybe 0:08:52.360 --> 0:08:54.840 they're looking for a little bit more money than probably 0:08:54.880 --> 0:08:56.320 you're willing to. 0:08:57.800 --> 0:09:01.760 Give. I looked at a Tyres Bowser this morning. 0:09:01.840 --> 0:09:04.280 He was a guy that had hurt his knee in 0:09:04.360 --> 0:09:08.000 twenty twenty three with the Ravens. Was more of a 0:09:08.120 --> 0:09:10.959 stand up three to four outside linebacker. See you didn't 0:09:11.000 --> 0:09:13.760 see him put his hand on the ground. But if 0:09:13.800 --> 0:09:16.840 you're looking for a position, it has some depth to it. 0:09:16.920 --> 0:09:20.319 As you look at your emergency board, the edges seem 0:09:20.400 --> 0:09:23.840 to have more quality. And so that's kind of where 0:09:23.840 --> 0:09:25.480 I think, like, you know, if you're going to have 0:09:25.760 --> 0:09:29.160 something happen. Maybe there's four or five guys there that 0:09:29.240 --> 0:09:30.199 you could take a peek at. 0:09:30.280 --> 0:09:32.120 Yeah, and I think there's probably a decision there from 0:09:32.200 --> 0:09:34.760 the personnel department as far as a type of edge 0:09:34.760 --> 0:09:36.800 that they could bring in. You mentioned probably wanting to 0:09:36.800 --> 0:09:39.560 bring in a guy that has similar traits to what 0:09:39.679 --> 0:09:42.200 Sam Williams now leaves in the void, right, But there 0:09:42.520 --> 0:09:44.439 also could be a decision there. You look at all 0:09:44.480 --> 0:09:46.960 the edges that are on the team right now. Obviously 0:09:47.000 --> 0:09:50.320 you have Micah Parsons, who is this a specimen. He's 0:09:50.360 --> 0:09:52.320 a special te that you could put anywhere on the 0:09:52.360 --> 0:09:54.880 line and kind of isolate him with an offensive lineman. 0:09:54.960 --> 0:09:56.320 But if you look at the rest of the group 0:09:56.320 --> 0:09:59.520 and it's power guys. It's Marcus Lawrence, it's it's Marshawn Kneeland. 0:09:59.520 --> 0:10:01.640 And even if you do look at that depth group 0:10:01.640 --> 0:10:04.880 of Illiami Fojoko Drel Johnson, Tyras Sweet, you have a 0:10:04.920 --> 0:10:07.080 lot of power guys. So hey, do you want to 0:10:07.160 --> 0:10:09.040 just push all your chips into the table and say, hey, 0:10:09.080 --> 0:10:10.760 let's bring in another power guy just so we can 0:10:10.760 --> 0:10:13.280 overwhelm the offensive tackles and wear him down by the 0:10:13.360 --> 0:10:14.800 end of the game, or do you want to give 0:10:14.800 --> 0:10:17.160 Michael Parsons a running mate similar to what Sam Williams 0:10:17.160 --> 0:10:19.640 could have been as an athletic presence off the edge. 0:10:19.920 --> 0:10:21.679 I think that's probably some of the questions that they're 0:10:21.720 --> 0:10:24.040 asking themselves right now, and that they will. 0:10:23.880 --> 0:10:26.120 Be asking a case, well, what would you guys rather have? 0:10:26.760 --> 0:10:28.320 I you know, I'm trying to get. 0:10:28.360 --> 0:10:29.880 I think I'm going to get more of a guy 0:10:29.880 --> 0:10:33.080 that can can rush than the power. And I say 0:10:33.120 --> 0:10:37.000 this because Nick, when we watched kneel and play at 0:10:37.000 --> 0:10:39.560 Western Michigan for the Draft show and stuff like that, 0:10:40.000 --> 0:10:43.280 I think he's showing that he has more quickness and 0:10:43.400 --> 0:10:46.400 pass rush ability then maybe he even showed it at 0:10:46.400 --> 0:10:48.959 Western Michigan. I you know, we were talking to Will 0:10:49.040 --> 0:10:50.960 McClay on one O five three the Fan yesterday and 0:10:50.960 --> 0:10:53.200 I was asking Will about that I didn't think he 0:10:53.240 --> 0:10:56.840 was a particularly explosive or bendy kind of guy, and 0:10:56.840 --> 0:10:59.319 He's like, no, he's really not the bendy. But the 0:10:59.400 --> 0:11:02.439 quickness is better than they even thought, you know, as 0:11:02.480 --> 0:11:05.040 they were looking at at him and they're like, there's 0:11:05.080 --> 0:11:08.320 some things about him, so there might be some pass 0:11:08.440 --> 0:11:12.400 rush quickness, but along with that power that that that 0:11:12.480 --> 0:11:15.200 we were talking about with him. So that's something. But 0:11:15.320 --> 0:11:18.440 if I was to answer your question, Ambar, I would 0:11:18.480 --> 0:11:22.280 try and get a guy that's got some upfield and 0:11:22.480 --> 0:11:25.319 grab that shoulder and get around and like I say, 0:11:25.880 --> 0:11:28.520 Charles Harris would be that guy for me. As I 0:11:28.600 --> 0:11:30.959 look at as I look at these veteran. 0:11:30.600 --> 0:11:32.200 Guys, Yeah, I think there's a couple of guys that 0:11:32.200 --> 0:11:34.880 maybe have a combination of the two as well. But yeah, 0:11:34.880 --> 0:11:37.040 I'm probably with you, Brian. I'd want to find that 0:11:37.080 --> 0:11:39.079 athletic guy who can get up field and kind of 0:11:39.120 --> 0:11:41.760 attack the attack the backfield in a different way than 0:11:41.920 --> 0:11:43.080 maybe what's on the roster are. 0:11:43.320 --> 0:11:45.360 Yeah, this you know, this is it's a it's a 0:11:45.400 --> 0:11:48.520 position that's always you know, you're always kind of struggling 0:11:48.559 --> 0:11:49.200 to find. You know. 0:11:49.240 --> 0:11:51.200 Do you have those tweener guys you know, and and 0:11:51.200 --> 0:11:53.360 and you know some good players for them went on. 0:11:53.600 --> 0:11:56.839 They you know, Armstrong and Fowler, those guys were legitimate 0:11:56.960 --> 0:11:59.040 pass rush type of guys. 0:11:59.120 --> 0:12:01.280 But you know, maybe with Neil and they've. 0:12:01.040 --> 0:12:04.040 Got a guy that does have the combination that they're 0:12:04.120 --> 0:12:06.480 that they're looking for. I'll tell you what I think 0:12:06.480 --> 0:12:09.960 they're trying to make sure they protect themselves at three technique, 0:12:10.200 --> 0:12:12.760 And so you talk about would you move Golston, you know, 0:12:12.800 --> 0:12:15.320 would you move And I'm like, I don't know if 0:12:15.480 --> 0:12:18.840 Hooko has been playing more tackle than he has been 0:12:18.840 --> 0:12:22.160 playing edge, so it might be one of those situations 0:12:22.200 --> 0:12:25.120 where they're forced to put him on the outside as well. 0:12:25.280 --> 0:12:28.600 Yeah, I wonder how much this this injury And it's 0:12:28.640 --> 0:12:30.320 weird to say when you're talking about a guy that 0:12:30.400 --> 0:12:32.320 was not going to be necessarily a starter, but how 0:12:32.360 --> 0:12:35.199 much this injury really impacts them because of what they 0:12:35.240 --> 0:12:38.120 lost in the offseason? Do they have enough of as 0:12:38.200 --> 0:12:40.480 Jerry calls him, the war Daddy's the guys that really 0:12:40.480 --> 0:12:44.560 can go get after the quarterback after losing Armstrong and Fowler, 0:12:44.679 --> 0:12:46.400 who are two guys that could come in in. 0:12:47.400 --> 0:12:49.720 Rotation and get after the quarterback? And even have enough 0:12:49.760 --> 0:12:50.440 those guys. 0:12:50.280 --> 0:12:53.040 Left even then they were still struggling a little bit 0:12:53.120 --> 0:12:56.400 last year, you know, getting to the quarterback towards the 0:12:56.480 --> 0:12:57.720 second half of the season. 0:12:57.920 --> 0:13:00.720 So it's a it's a big yeah. 0:13:00.760 --> 0:13:03.760 And one thing I do like about it is Zimmer 0:13:03.840 --> 0:13:06.880 is a coordinator that tends to use his linebackers in 0:13:06.920 --> 0:13:09.120 the in the in the rush game and so there'll 0:13:09.120 --> 0:13:10.720 be some of that as well that I think could 0:13:10.720 --> 0:13:11.160 be helpful. 0:13:11.760 --> 0:13:13.120 But this is gonna be a challenge for them. 0:13:13.160 --> 0:13:15.559 I think this is a probably one of the one 0:13:15.600 --> 0:13:17.960 of the players that they probably would have said, we 0:13:18.080 --> 0:13:20.480 don't want to if we had to choose what players 0:13:20.520 --> 0:13:22.400 we lose, we wouldn't want to lose a player at 0:13:22.400 --> 0:13:24.319 this position. I think that's a that's a big one 0:13:24.320 --> 0:13:24.600 for him. 0:13:24.640 --> 0:13:27.120 That's an interesting point because as somebody asked me on 0:13:27.160 --> 0:13:29.400 Twitter I think it was last night, Hey can Demarvey 0:13:29.400 --> 0:13:31.360 and over show them be a guy that they isolate 0:13:31.400 --> 0:13:34.240 off the edge at times? That's an opportunity that I mean, 0:13:34.240 --> 0:13:36.080 that's an option that that could possibly work. 0:13:36.160 --> 0:13:36.960 He did it at Texas. 0:13:37.040 --> 0:13:39.360 Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And you also have Maris Lui Foul 0:13:39.440 --> 0:13:41.960 who was kind of a third down specialty pass rusher 0:13:42.000 --> 0:13:44.080 at times last year for Notre Dame. He's a guy 0:13:44.120 --> 0:13:45.920 who would show pre snap like, hey he's going to 0:13:45.960 --> 0:13:47.480 cover the middle of the field and he just b 0:13:47.600 --> 0:13:49.319 lines for the quarterback as soon as the ball was 0:13:49.320 --> 0:13:51.120 snapped and he was able to get there and hurry. 0:13:51.200 --> 0:13:54.600 So yes, that that position group I think could kind 0:13:54.600 --> 0:13:57.160 of help this this depth problem out. But at the 0:13:57.280 --> 0:14:00.000 end of the day. You lost three bodies now this offseason, 0:14:00.240 --> 0:14:02.600 and you only added one. So there's gonna have to 0:14:02.600 --> 0:14:05.199 be some sort of coming together as far as the 0:14:05.240 --> 0:14:08.040 talent that's already on this roster adding another piece from outside. 0:14:08.040 --> 0:14:09.400 All right, personal guy, get to work. 0:14:10.240 --> 0:14:11.200 Yeah, that's the thing about. 0:14:11.240 --> 0:14:13.599 You know, the thing you come to camp with is 0:14:13.640 --> 0:14:15.960 a list of like I say, an emergency board, you know, 0:14:16.000 --> 0:14:17.880 in there in the personnel trailer. 0:14:17.720 --> 0:14:19.240 The names are up all on the wall. 0:14:19.280 --> 0:14:22.240 And then you know, Will and the staff probably sat 0:14:22.320 --> 0:14:24.520 down and looked at that, you know, looked at that 0:14:24.600 --> 0:14:27.080 list and said, okay, if we had to, And then 0:14:27.440 --> 0:14:29.440 then it turns into next thing. 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That's maybe the 0:18:02.840 --> 0:18:03.440 toughest one. 0:18:03.359 --> 0:18:05.119 I've ever It didn't butcher her as much as it 0:18:05.119 --> 0:18:05.439 didn't you. 0:18:05.640 --> 0:18:09.080 No, Oh gosh, that was so reels off. That was terrible. 0:18:09.280 --> 0:18:09.800 Welcome back. 0:18:09.840 --> 0:18:13.400 We were in the second segment live from ox Nod, California. 0:18:13.440 --> 0:18:16.560 Today is the most exciting day of training camp in 0:18:16.600 --> 0:18:18.320 my opinion, the day the pads come on for the 0:18:18.320 --> 0:18:20.119 first time. So there's gonna be some popping out here. 0:18:20.160 --> 0:18:21.840 So finally looking forward to that. 0:18:21.960 --> 0:18:23.640 It's also terrifying all the same. 0:18:23.840 --> 0:18:27.200 Yeah, exactly right, exactly. But before we as we get 0:18:27.200 --> 0:18:29.320 into that, let's start first. I want you guys to 0:18:29.359 --> 0:18:31.960 take me back to the previous two practices. Give me 0:18:31.960 --> 0:18:34.399 an observation, just one observation of a player or a 0:18:34.400 --> 0:18:36.960 group of players that really stood out to you one 0:18:36.960 --> 0:18:37.600 way or the other. 0:18:37.920 --> 0:18:39.560 Uh, in these last couple practices. 0:18:39.920 --> 0:18:42.720 Yeah, I'll start Tyron Billy Johnson. How about that. It 0:18:42.720 --> 0:18:44.760 feels like there's a different receiver every year out here 0:18:44.840 --> 0:18:46.520 that kind of catches our eye as far as a 0:18:46.600 --> 0:18:48.919 name that not necessarily that we didn't know or a 0:18:49.240 --> 0:18:51.480 it's just a name that kind of popped up from 0:18:51.560 --> 0:18:54.159 under the radar to being a guy who's you know, 0:18:54.200 --> 0:18:57.160 starting to threaten for a spot now saying that there's 0:18:57.240 --> 0:18:59.680 gonna be a pretty tough competition to get that final 0:18:59.760 --> 0:19:02.640 ross your spot at the receiver position. And you also 0:19:02.640 --> 0:19:04.800 have a draft pick that's factored into that equation too, 0:19:04.840 --> 0:19:07.320 that we haven't even had an opportunity to really see 0:19:07.320 --> 0:19:09.520 on the field as a result of injury. But if 0:19:09.560 --> 0:19:11.160 you had to ask me who has been the most 0:19:11.200 --> 0:19:14.040 consistent receiver here every single day, you take the names 0:19:14.040 --> 0:19:16.240 off their jerseys and just tell me which one. It's 0:19:16.320 --> 0:19:18.560 number thirteen tying Billy Johnson. I mean, he's a guy 0:19:18.600 --> 0:19:22.840 who's been super impactful in the short, intermediate, and long range. 0:19:22.920 --> 0:19:24.840 He's had the deep balls from Cooper Rush that he 0:19:24.880 --> 0:19:28.040 hauled in for a touchdown in the final practice on Sunday. 0:19:28.400 --> 0:19:30.640 He's had this short and intermediate stuff with Trey Lance 0:19:30.680 --> 0:19:33.200 and Dak Prescott. He's looked awesome. I mean, he was 0:19:33.240 --> 0:19:36.000 a speed guy coming out of Oklahoma State and he's 0:19:36.080 --> 0:19:38.920 kind of developed as this possession guys his career has 0:19:38.960 --> 0:19:41.000 gone on, and hey man, he's a guy that's just 0:19:41.080 --> 0:19:43.560 kind of hung around on practice squads for the last 0:19:43.560 --> 0:19:46.359 four or five seasons. He's starting to build some experience 0:19:46.359 --> 0:19:48.000 and we see that experience paying. 0:19:47.760 --> 0:19:50.800 Off a guy that I would say, and this is 0:19:50.880 --> 0:19:55.120 more an observation as far as like just the dynamics 0:19:55.119 --> 0:19:59.080 of it rather than plays that I've seen. But Ezekiel 0:19:59.160 --> 0:20:02.600 Elliott and his his comeback and what that group looks like. 0:20:02.720 --> 0:20:05.639 You know, it's very different than the time that he 0:20:05.920 --> 0:20:09.199 was here. During the time that he was here, you know, 0:20:09.320 --> 0:20:12.320 we always would see the dynamic between him and Dak 0:20:12.520 --> 0:20:15.760 and very close and he's a very happy and active guy. 0:20:16.000 --> 0:20:19.000 Right now it's completely different, Like if you didn't tell 0:20:19.000 --> 0:20:22.080 me that was Zeke, I wouldn't know that that was 0:20:22.240 --> 0:20:25.600 him because of the way he's carrying himself. He's like 0:20:26.000 --> 0:20:29.040 and not that he was ever obnoxious at all. It's 0:20:29.119 --> 0:20:32.679 more he's low key at the moment. He's focused, focused 0:20:32.720 --> 0:20:35.159 on what he needs to do. He's doing his work 0:20:35.560 --> 0:20:41.200 with the running back group. He's not like taking over completely. 0:20:41.280 --> 0:20:41.760 He he. 0:20:43.440 --> 0:20:46.840 I'm trying to perfectly describe it as like, you know, 0:20:47.200 --> 0:20:49.760 it's Zeke when he was here, that's the main guy, 0:20:49.840 --> 0:20:53.119 and he's the leader of the crowd. Now he's just 0:20:53.400 --> 0:20:56.320 part of the group and just doing like working his 0:20:56.440 --> 0:20:59.480 way back up. I should say, so, I thought that 0:20:59.600 --> 0:21:04.040 was very interesting and completely different than what I've been 0:21:04.160 --> 0:21:07.920 used to seeing when he was here prior. But I'm 0:21:07.960 --> 0:21:11.600 curious to see just how the running back group develops. 0:21:11.680 --> 0:21:15.120 Right now, there's nobody that really is taking over. Everyone's 0:21:15.119 --> 0:21:17.439 doing kind of the same type of work and the 0:21:17.480 --> 0:21:20.000 same type of the same amount of work. 0:21:20.359 --> 0:21:21.840 And I'm still. 0:21:21.680 --> 0:21:24.480 Wanting to see what the keeping my eye on that 0:21:25.040 --> 0:21:28.960 running back group and see if anyone actually takes the leader. 0:21:29.480 --> 0:21:32.280 Eric Kendricks is as good as advertised. Yeah, and you 0:21:32.320 --> 0:21:33.919 watch him play. 0:21:33.560 --> 0:21:36.040 His ability to be at the right place at the 0:21:36.119 --> 0:21:40.480 right time. He baited Dak into an interception the other 0:21:40.560 --> 0:21:43.480 day in practice where we haven't seen a linebacker I 0:21:43.520 --> 0:21:46.240 believe since Sean Lee. When you start to talk about 0:21:46.240 --> 0:21:50.840 playing past defense, getting in throwing lanes, getting interceptions, knocking 0:21:50.880 --> 0:21:52.800 balls down, you know we're going to see what the 0:21:52.800 --> 0:21:55.639 pads come on. You'll see that part where these linebackers 0:21:55.680 --> 0:21:58.399 step up, they thump. They don't bring the running backs 0:21:58.480 --> 0:22:01.399 or ball carriers to the ground. But you'll see number 0:22:01.480 --> 0:22:04.400 fifty a lot probably in your clips. Probably Nick Harris 0:22:04.480 --> 0:22:07.320 will have a bunch of clips where you'll see number fifty. 0:22:07.359 --> 0:22:09.479 He's at the ball he's at the ball. He's at 0:22:09.480 --> 0:22:11.359 the ball the way he's knocking the ball down. So 0:22:11.840 --> 0:22:14.560 he's just been as good as advertised when you look 0:22:14.600 --> 0:22:19.240 at his the veteran presence he has and his ability 0:22:19.280 --> 0:22:21.359 to be at the right place at the right time 0:22:21.560 --> 0:22:23.040 when the defense is called for. 0:22:23.680 --> 0:22:26.040 So, as you guys are looking at those guys you've 0:22:26.080 --> 0:22:30.080 watched through these first three practices as they get ready 0:22:30.119 --> 0:22:32.040 to put on the paths today, what guys are you 0:22:32.080 --> 0:22:35.600 going to be looking particularly for, because now with the 0:22:35.600 --> 0:22:37.880 pads on, you can get a better evaluation on them. 0:22:37.920 --> 0:22:39.520 I don't want to see anybody's answer. I don't want 0:22:39.520 --> 0:22:41.679 to keep going first, Go ahead, Okay, I'm looking at 0:22:41.720 --> 0:22:44.720 the trenches. You know, this is a group that I 0:22:44.720 --> 0:22:46.800 think has got a big spotlight on them going into 0:22:46.840 --> 0:22:50.240 Give me a guy one name Tyler guy easily looking 0:22:50.280 --> 0:22:52.040 at him at left tackle. I mean, he was able 0:22:52.080 --> 0:22:54.480 to do some things last week lining up against Michael 0:22:54.480 --> 0:22:57.439 Parsons where he was able to account for whatever Michael 0:22:57.440 --> 0:22:59.320 Parsons was throwing at him as far as what he 0:22:59.359 --> 0:23:02.000 has on his path rush toolbag. But but the pads 0:23:02.000 --> 0:23:04.320 aren't on. That's always the caveat see now the pads 0:23:04.320 --> 0:23:05.639 are on. So he's gonna have to be able to 0:23:05.680 --> 0:23:08.240 account for the full force that is Michael Parsons, the 0:23:08.280 --> 0:23:10.840 full force that is the Marcus Lawrence and Marshawn neland 0:23:11.000 --> 0:23:13.359 so how can he account for that? Whenever the Pads 0:23:13.400 --> 0:23:15.760 come on today, Man, that's gonna be what I'm looking for. 0:23:16.720 --> 0:23:18.880 I think it's gonna be a fascinating journey that Tyler 0:23:18.920 --> 0:23:21.800 Guidon will have out here in Oxnard and in the preseason. 0:23:21.800 --> 0:23:23.840 It's gonna be really big for him. 0:23:24.080 --> 0:23:28.520 Well, my favorite period that I'm so excited to see today, 0:23:29.080 --> 0:23:34.200 well it's when the O lineman go against the defensive 0:23:34.320 --> 0:23:38.199 line and yes, the one on ones and one of 0:23:38.240 --> 0:23:42.240 the main guys, i mean, Mazzie Smith. Huge, huge year 0:23:42.400 --> 0:23:45.439 for him before the Pads coming on and all that 0:23:45.600 --> 0:23:48.080 we saw or did we talk about it when he 0:23:48.160 --> 0:23:50.200 had his little argument or five. 0:23:50.240 --> 0:23:52.040 Talked about We talked about it on the on the 0:23:52.040 --> 0:23:54.200 show the other night in. 0:23:54.119 --> 0:23:56.639 Between the other truble, Well, he had some beef with somebody. 0:23:56.680 --> 0:23:58.399 I'm still trying to figure out who the person was. 0:23:58.440 --> 0:24:03.760 Apparently nobody saw it, but again, if the fire was 0:24:03.800 --> 0:24:08.359 there during early that earlier on in practice, I'm waiting 0:24:08.400 --> 0:24:08.800 to see. 0:24:09.119 --> 0:24:12.040 I'm excited to see how he looks, how quick he looks. 0:24:12.359 --> 0:24:15.080 We talked about how his body has started to change 0:24:15.119 --> 0:24:16.960 a little bit, so I'm curious just to see how 0:24:17.160 --> 0:24:18.520 he actually looks in action. 0:24:20.040 --> 0:24:23.879 Can I say overshown, Yes, just because I feel like 0:24:23.920 --> 0:24:27.080 though that he The last memory I had at him 0:24:27.280 --> 0:24:30.040 was in a preseason game and I think he had 0:24:30.080 --> 0:24:33.560 six plays and three tackles. And I'm interested to see 0:24:33.960 --> 0:24:37.680 how now with the pads on the movement looks good. 0:24:37.800 --> 0:24:41.280 He looks confident out there playing. I guarantee he's going 0:24:41.320 --> 0:24:44.160 to get to every single ball today. He's that type 0:24:44.160 --> 0:24:47.280 of player. And talking to Mike Zimmer, I'll give you 0:24:47.320 --> 0:24:49.240 another guy real quick too, is Damone Clark. 0:24:49.720 --> 0:24:52.119 Mike really likes Damon Clark. 0:24:52.400 --> 0:24:56.639 And if you when you dig into with Damon Clark, 0:24:56.680 --> 0:25:00.960 the physical ability is there, the athletic of ability is there. 0:25:01.720 --> 0:25:03.720 Mike has got to work with him though on that 0:25:03.840 --> 0:25:05.760 awareness and then also his. 0:25:05.680 --> 0:25:09.000 Ability to read and to react, because once he's able 0:25:09.040 --> 0:25:12.159 to do that, he can make plays. This lineback and 0:25:12.240 --> 0:25:16.160 crew is so much better than where they were last 0:25:16.240 --> 0:25:18.480 year at this time, and so as a whole, if 0:25:18.480 --> 0:25:21.879 you want to watch a position today, and I mentioned Kendricks. 0:25:22.119 --> 0:25:26.200 Watch this linebacker crew today, and like Damber's talking about, 0:25:26.520 --> 0:25:28.919 there's probably gonna be some one on one stuff, you know, 0:25:29.000 --> 0:25:33.280 with maybe we'll see the linebackers working against running backs 0:25:33.280 --> 0:25:34.680 and tight ends throwing the football. 0:25:34.680 --> 0:25:37.160 Maybe you'll see a little bit of that. You'll see some. 0:25:37.200 --> 0:25:39.359 Nine on seven where there's a run period. You know, 0:25:39.800 --> 0:25:42.040 you'll see them fit in the runs and how they go, 0:25:42.119 --> 0:25:44.399 and then you'll see some team period as well. But 0:25:44.480 --> 0:25:46.200 I have a feeling at the end of the day, 0:25:46.640 --> 0:25:49.040 to quote Stephen Jones, how he says that in the 0:25:49.160 --> 0:25:52.800 end of the day, uh, the you're gonna look at 0:25:52.800 --> 0:25:55.680 this lineback and crew and say, as a whole, they 0:25:55.720 --> 0:25:57.320 probably had a pretty damn good day. 0:25:57.600 --> 0:26:00.680 Monk Clark is a fascinating if I could, Mike, it's 0:26:00.680 --> 0:26:02.879 a fascinating thing. Really. You look at what he was 0:26:02.920 --> 0:26:04.919 asked to do last year. He was asked to do 0:26:05.000 --> 0:26:07.800 everything in the middle of that defense. And I think 0:26:07.800 --> 0:26:10.000 it might be unfair for some to say that, you know, 0:26:10.080 --> 0:26:12.800 DeMont Clark probably won't be what everyone expected. But I 0:26:12.800 --> 0:26:14.600 think you kind of have to throw twenty twenty three 0:26:14.640 --> 0:26:17.280 out of the out of the picture because I understand 0:26:17.280 --> 0:26:19.120 games like Buffalo where he was just in the wrong 0:26:19.160 --> 0:26:23.320 place at the wrong time at all times, but exactly 0:26:25.440 --> 0:26:27.440 he was asked to do so much last year whenever 0:26:27.480 --> 0:26:30.040 late Vandresh went down. But now that those responsibilities are 0:26:30.080 --> 0:26:31.919 kind of being taken off his plate, he has a 0:26:32.000 --> 0:26:34.199 veteran in the room and Eric Kendricks. He has a 0:26:34.240 --> 0:26:36.399 guy that can rush the pass or step back into 0:26:36.440 --> 0:26:38.720 coverage next to him into Marven and Overshonamris, a little 0:26:38.720 --> 0:26:40.679 foul demon. Clark is going to be able to be 0:26:40.800 --> 0:26:42.560 DeMont Clark this year, and I'm very excited to see 0:26:42.560 --> 0:26:43.080 what that looks like. 0:26:43.160 --> 0:26:46.080 I'll throw out another position group that I'm really excited 0:26:46.080 --> 0:26:48.800 to see. I've in some of the conversations I've had 0:26:48.840 --> 0:26:51.120 with folks around here, I think there is a real 0:26:51.160 --> 0:26:53.560 belief that they have something special in the tight end room. 0:26:54.040 --> 0:26:55.680 And so one of the things I want to see 0:26:55.680 --> 0:26:58.240 once the pacts come on is who starts to separate 0:26:58.280 --> 0:27:02.200 themselves when you start blocking. Yeah, can school Maker take 0:27:02.240 --> 0:27:03.840 that step? Because that's what we saw from him in 0:27:03.840 --> 0:27:05.800 college at Michigan. We thought that's the part he would 0:27:05.840 --> 0:27:07.920 be able to come in and immediately be able to 0:27:07.960 --> 0:27:08.920 be an upgrade there. 0:27:09.119 --> 0:27:10.399 But I don't know if they got that out of 0:27:10.440 --> 0:27:11.080 him last year. 0:27:11.080 --> 0:27:11.440 They sure. 0:27:11.480 --> 0:27:13.840 The question is now is he ready to take that step? 0:27:13.960 --> 0:27:16.240 Are some of those other guys who are really looking 0:27:16.240 --> 0:27:18.600 good when they're running, you know, in shorts and and 0:27:18.600 --> 0:27:21.200 and and and shells, but when you put on the pads, 0:27:21.240 --> 0:27:22.560 how do they look when they're having to block some 0:27:22.600 --> 0:27:24.920 of those defensive ends, some of those linebackers. I think 0:27:24.960 --> 0:27:26.960 that's going to be the tele tape for the tight ends. 0:27:27.000 --> 0:27:27.960 There's a lot of us. 0:27:27.800 --> 0:27:30.720 Here that have thrown dirt on on hindershot, you know, 0:27:30.840 --> 0:27:32.240 and all of a sudden, you know he's made a 0:27:32.240 --> 0:27:34.280 couple of plays in camp, and you know they they 0:27:34.359 --> 0:27:36.320 run the way they get the tight ends. It seems 0:27:36.359 --> 0:27:39.760 the ball it's either the seam for the waggles where 0:27:39.760 --> 0:27:42.160 they move. They send the defense one way and come 0:27:42.200 --> 0:27:44.960 back the other with the tight end. So I'm looking forward. 0:27:45.000 --> 0:27:47.639 I'm with you on this. Can you know, can you 0:27:47.720 --> 0:27:49.560 see Luke scoon Maker and others? 0:27:49.800 --> 0:27:49.960 Uh? 0:27:50.359 --> 0:27:51.000 Span forward? 0:27:51.040 --> 0:27:54.719 These guys they're supposed to be blockers, big blocking guys, 0:27:54.800 --> 0:27:56.720 and if you and they're going to run the football, 0:27:56.760 --> 0:27:59.160 they've got to be better as point of attack blockers 0:27:59.200 --> 0:27:59.800 at tight end. 0:28:00.119 --> 0:28:01.679 Quick question I would have for you guys, as far 0:28:01.680 --> 0:28:04.240 as the tight end position goes is you have Schoonmaker. 0:28:04.240 --> 0:28:06.320 Obviously it was this blocking guy you bring in, Brevin 0:28:06.400 --> 0:28:08.880 span Ford, who his specialty coming out of the Big 0:28:08.920 --> 0:28:11.879 Ten as well was the blocking aspect of things. The 0:28:11.920 --> 0:28:14.080 schoonmaker's roster spot is safe. So that's not what I'm 0:28:14.119 --> 0:28:15.720 asking here. But do you think there's a little bit 0:28:15.720 --> 0:28:18.760 more pressure on Schoonmaker, Yes, to be able to produce 0:28:18.840 --> 0:28:21.000 knowing that you have another Big Ten guys span Ford 0:28:21.000 --> 0:28:22.160 who's ready to do the same thing. 0:28:22.200 --> 0:28:23.399 Yeah, you got to figure out too. 0:28:23.480 --> 0:28:26.000 And like with John Stevens, I mean, are they if 0:28:26.000 --> 0:28:29.040 they go long at a position When we break camp 0:28:29.080 --> 0:28:31.720 and we're all packing this thing up and we're starting 0:28:31.720 --> 0:28:34.199 to think about what positions, how's this fifty three man 0:28:34.359 --> 0:28:38.360 roster gonna look? These tight ends can make you feel 0:28:38.360 --> 0:28:41.120 about going long, and I mean going long like carrying 0:28:41.120 --> 0:28:44.440 an extra guy, you know, And so that's that's you know, 0:28:45.360 --> 0:28:48.800 these training camp practice to you'll cut yourself. If you 0:28:48.880 --> 0:28:51.640 don't perform, you will cut yourself. And eight everyone's like, oh, 0:28:51.760 --> 0:28:54.120 well that the coach has got no you cut yourself 0:28:54.160 --> 0:28:56.320 because you didn't do I think there's a lot of 0:28:56.360 --> 0:28:59.600 pressure on Luke's schoonmaker. And I know he's a second 0:28:59.640 --> 0:29:02.280 round and all that, but there are some guys on 0:29:02.440 --> 0:29:07.480 this roster right now that if they show better and 0:29:07.680 --> 0:29:10.920 they you know, Luke Schoomaker, I'm not gonna say safe. 0:29:11.720 --> 0:29:15.600 I'm gonna say consideration if he doesn't perform well enough. 0:29:15.720 --> 0:29:18.920 And they've got three other guys and plus what they got. 0:29:18.960 --> 0:29:21.160 You know, Will McClay was talking to us about Hunter Lipkey, 0:29:21.720 --> 0:29:24.520 you know, and there's another guy that Okay, you're gonna 0:29:24.560 --> 0:29:27.000 keep a full back, that's gonna keep what's gonna happen 0:29:27.000 --> 0:29:27.640 at running back? 0:29:27.720 --> 0:29:27.840 Now? 0:29:28.000 --> 0:29:30.440 WHOA Does that affect the tight ends? Does that affect 0:29:30.480 --> 0:29:31.400 the offensive line? 0:29:31.640 --> 0:29:33.640 They did line up Loopkey on some Titans. 0:29:33.520 --> 0:29:35.080 Yes, exactly exactly. 0:29:35.240 --> 0:29:38.640 So you saw Hendershan. He needs to This is a. 0:29:40.400 --> 0:29:41.000 Step it off. 0:29:41.160 --> 0:29:43.120 I have to step it up because last year was 0:29:43.200 --> 0:29:46.160 not good. And we'll see. 0:29:46.520 --> 0:29:49.920 So far, I haven't seen him do a whole lot 0:29:50.040 --> 0:29:51.920 yet in this I don't know if you guys have 0:29:52.080 --> 0:29:53.200 noticed anything from him. 0:29:53.280 --> 0:29:55.240 Caught a couple of passes and stuff like that on 0:29:55.320 --> 0:29:57.800 those boots and waggles things like that, but that's kind 0:29:57.800 --> 0:29:58.280 of where. 0:29:58.080 --> 0:30:00.200 You've seen the group. You've seen Hi. 0:30:00.560 --> 0:30:03.959 You've seen him catch passes and that Scoonmakers even caught passes. 0:30:04.040 --> 0:30:06.960 But to Derek's point, this group, if they are going 0:30:07.080 --> 0:30:09.400 to run the football better, they have got to be 0:30:09.520 --> 0:30:11.280 better as point of attack blockers. 0:30:11.640 --> 0:30:12.880 And it starts out here today. 0:30:13.000 --> 0:30:15.479 And to that point, there were two names. I've been 0:30:15.520 --> 0:30:17.800 having some conversation with different people around here. They are 0:30:17.840 --> 0:30:21.120 two names that keep coming up, Hunter lip Key and 0:30:21.440 --> 0:30:24.440 John Stevens. Those two names keep coming up, and everybody 0:30:24.520 --> 0:30:27.200 keep saying, man, these guys are and. 0:30:27.240 --> 0:30:30.360 They but they have but they have. The people I've 0:30:30.400 --> 0:30:32.440 talked to just they have a it seems like they 0:30:32.480 --> 0:30:33.320 have a mental plan. 0:30:33.400 --> 0:30:35.760 You always talk about this, Brian, you have a vision 0:30:35.800 --> 0:30:38.360 for the player, and it seems like everybody that I've 0:30:38.360 --> 0:30:40.560 talked to has like they see the vision for these 0:30:40.600 --> 0:30:42.600 two players and they're excited about what they can be 0:30:42.760 --> 0:30:43.400 in this offense. 0:30:43.440 --> 0:30:46.560 Everybody wants Kyle Huescheck from the forty nine ers. See 0:30:46.560 --> 0:30:49.600 if you've ever seen Kyle Hughescheck play. He's one of 0:30:49.640 --> 0:30:52.760 the reasons why all of a sudden, Christian McCaffrey has 0:30:52.880 --> 0:30:56.200 space because they got wide receivers that block, they got 0:30:56.280 --> 0:30:57.960 a tight end at blocks and then they got a 0:30:58.080 --> 0:31:01.080 full back that they bring in motion that sets us 0:31:01.080 --> 0:31:03.880 the edge and then just hammers people to get the 0:31:04.320 --> 0:31:07.400 so if they You know Hunter Lipkey last year, but 0:31:07.760 --> 0:31:09.600 during the season he was what I call a half 0:31:09.720 --> 0:31:10.360 man blocker. 0:31:10.600 --> 0:31:13.240 He was only hitting half the defender and the defender 0:31:13.400 --> 0:31:13.920 was getting off. 0:31:14.400 --> 0:31:16.240 Towards the end of the year, he was hitting more 0:31:16.360 --> 0:31:18.640 square and he was staying with guys and he was 0:31:18.720 --> 0:31:20.720 kind of figuring out how to dig guys out of 0:31:20.800 --> 0:31:23.280 a hole, which is a skill that's a hard still 0:31:23.360 --> 0:31:26.480 to do something. I mean, Darryl Johnston was a master 0:31:26.600 --> 0:31:28.840 at it in the nineties for the Super Bowl teams 0:31:28.840 --> 0:31:31.360 here of going in there and digging guys. As a 0:31:31.480 --> 0:31:34.920 full back, you can't be indecisive. You can't go in 0:31:35.000 --> 0:31:38.200 there like and just kind of stop and shut her 0:31:38.200 --> 0:31:41.120 around in there, because that makes the backstop. And what 0:31:41.240 --> 0:31:44.600 happens when the backstops all of a sudden, everybody's getting there. 0:31:44.640 --> 0:31:47.480 You've got to get that thing going downhill. And Hunter 0:31:47.600 --> 0:31:49.360 Lipkey got better at that last year. 0:31:49.560 --> 0:31:51.160 You could kind of see the McCarthy wants to have 0:31:51.240 --> 0:31:54.280 another John Coon in his offense. As you can you 0:31:54.320 --> 0:31:54.840 can see. 0:31:54.720 --> 0:31:56.520 That we're going to take our final break, we will 0:31:56.560 --> 0:32:00.600 come back. 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Not the storylines, but storylines, 0:35:15.000 --> 0:35:16.080 some storylines from camp. 0:35:17.200 --> 0:35:19.200 I want to talk about the running back stop member. 0:35:19.239 --> 0:35:21.719 I want to talk about the running back position, and 0:35:21.880 --> 0:35:23.360 I want to talk about it from the standpoint of 0:35:23.400 --> 0:35:26.640 I'm gonna throw out some different uh, some different options, 0:35:26.719 --> 0:35:28.720 and I'm gonna ask you, guys, which of these options 0:35:28.880 --> 0:35:30.160 is most concerning to you? 0:35:31.520 --> 0:35:32.279 Most concerning to. 0:35:32.280 --> 0:35:35.880 You Zeke's ability to be a lead back, Rico Dowdle's 0:35:35.920 --> 0:35:40.680 ability to stay healthy, Induce Vaughan Size, or Hunter Lipkey's 0:35:41.280 --> 0:35:42.160 real true position? 0:35:42.280 --> 0:35:44.440 Is he a running back or fullback? What's more concerning? 0:35:45.600 --> 0:35:48.200 Hm hmm. I would have to go with Zeke's ability 0:35:48.239 --> 0:35:50.919 to be a lead back, just because those other three, 0:35:51.680 --> 0:35:53.640 those are other three areas. If they don't pan out, 0:35:53.760 --> 0:35:56.440 I think there's a somewhere else where you could kind 0:35:56.480 --> 0:35:58.480 of fill in and make something happen with it. Uh, 0:35:58.680 --> 0:36:01.560 run me back. It was Rico's where if that were 0:36:01.640 --> 0:36:03.879 to falter, you still have other bodies in that room. 0:36:04.719 --> 0:36:07.960 Deuce Van Size. Yes, it's a concern, but I don't 0:36:07.960 --> 0:36:09.759 think he's going to be asked what everybody else in 0:36:09.800 --> 0:36:11.560 that running back room is going to be asked to do. 0:36:12.080 --> 0:36:15.239 And then Hunter Lipke's positional you know, where does he go? 0:36:15.360 --> 0:36:18.320 I think that's more speaks to his versatility. Yes, I 0:36:18.440 --> 0:36:20.680 factor him into that running back room, but I also 0:36:20.760 --> 0:36:22.239 kind of see him as a guy off on an 0:36:22.280 --> 0:36:24.640 island a little bit. But Zeke's ability to be a 0:36:24.719 --> 0:36:27.040 lead back. If he can't be a lead back, I 0:36:27.080 --> 0:36:29.759 don't know who can in that room. So I would 0:36:29.800 --> 0:36:30.680 have to go with that option. 0:36:31.239 --> 0:36:33.960 But what are you calling a lead back? 0:36:34.680 --> 0:36:36.600 A guy that if you get into a game and 0:36:36.800 --> 0:36:39.279 you need to run him twenty times in that game, 0:36:39.400 --> 0:36:39.880 he can do it. 0:36:41.080 --> 0:36:43.239 And the question is is that Zeke at this point 0:36:43.280 --> 0:36:43.560 his career. 0:36:43.600 --> 0:36:45.680 I do think in the second half of the season 0:36:45.760 --> 0:36:47.640 last year he had some games where you're like, Okay, 0:36:47.840 --> 0:36:49.080 that's that's vintage Zeke. 0:36:49.600 --> 0:36:51.320 Yeah, I think you can run him twenty times, but 0:36:51.400 --> 0:36:54.640 it might be for sixty one yards. Yeah, That's that's 0:36:54.760 --> 0:36:55.600 kind of where you're. 0:36:55.440 --> 0:36:56.040 At right now. 0:36:56.080 --> 0:36:58.920 I mean it's the tough yards and stuff like that. 0:36:59.600 --> 0:37:03.440 I think every point that you just went through is 0:37:03.520 --> 0:37:07.200 an absolute concern, And I mean the Hunter Lipkey one. 0:37:07.239 --> 0:37:09.680 I think Hunter Lipkey, we've kind of got him figured 0:37:09.719 --> 0:37:12.520 out as being is the full back, the h the 0:37:12.640 --> 0:37:16.800 tight end, maybe a short yardage back if he doesn't 0:37:16.840 --> 0:37:19.879 fumble against the Dolphins. I think everybody's super happy about 0:37:19.960 --> 0:37:22.719 Hunter Lipkey and what he's done. And you know, but 0:37:23.239 --> 0:37:27.399 to me, this is where if I'm Will McClay, I'm 0:37:27.440 --> 0:37:30.000 telling my pro department, my guys, I'm like, listen, let's 0:37:30.080 --> 0:37:32.120 keep an eye on all these teams that have surplus 0:37:32.160 --> 0:37:36.040 at running back. I don't know, I'm not gonna let 0:37:36.120 --> 0:37:39.120 this scene get into the season like they did the 0:37:39.200 --> 0:37:41.239 one year with the wide receivers. Remember when we're out 0:37:41.280 --> 0:37:43.880 here and they went wide receiver by committee, then all 0:37:43.920 --> 0:37:46.920 of a sudden it said we need Amari Cooper. You know, 0:37:47.360 --> 0:37:49.479 I don't think it's gonna be week five, week six. 0:37:49.760 --> 0:37:52.880 I think if they get through a couple of weeks 0:37:52.920 --> 0:37:55.600 of practice here, maybe a preseason game, and it doesn't 0:37:55.880 --> 0:38:00.120 look like it's like listen, our line is blocking, but 0:38:00.200 --> 0:38:03.879 we're not getting anywhere, then I could very well see 0:38:03.920 --> 0:38:06.320 them taking any surplus that they do have at a 0:38:06.400 --> 0:38:10.680 position and maybe making a swap or taking a compensatory 0:38:10.800 --> 0:38:13.960 pick and sending it to somebody, because there's teams that 0:38:14.160 --> 0:38:19.520 do have starting callible running backs that aren't going to 0:38:19.560 --> 0:38:21.800 be starters for that team, and maybe you can determine 0:38:21.840 --> 0:38:23.600 that you can get that guy and it can help 0:38:24.040 --> 0:38:25.279 you get to where you need to be. 0:38:26.200 --> 0:38:28.440 See to me, I think. 0:38:30.440 --> 0:38:33.680 I think Zeke with that role of having just a 0:38:33.800 --> 0:38:38.920 split work between Rico, I think that could still be successful. 0:38:39.080 --> 0:38:42.640 Then they could be better off playing that way. And 0:38:42.800 --> 0:38:48.640 in certain tough scenarios like closer to the end zone, 0:38:48.920 --> 0:38:53.120 you can now lean more towards a guy like Leapke, 0:38:53.560 --> 0:38:56.279 like we've seen him do some of that. I mean, 0:38:56.320 --> 0:38:58.840 he had that one mistake in that game where he 0:38:59.280 --> 0:39:03.040 dolphins chair drop the ball or something, but I think 0:39:03.400 --> 0:39:08.400 he can be that weapon that you bring in at 0:39:08.480 --> 0:39:12.880 certain times at unique times. But the combination of Rico 0:39:13.000 --> 0:39:16.000 and Zeke, I think I have my hopes and hopefully, 0:39:16.120 --> 0:39:18.279 I mean we haven't seen it just yet, but I 0:39:18.360 --> 0:39:20.279 think that could work. So to me, I would say 0:39:20.440 --> 0:39:24.000 just having Rico's health more important. And I'll give you 0:39:25.040 --> 0:39:30.319 just a funny observation that you know the little thing 0:39:30.560 --> 0:39:32.239 the machine where you put the ball and he goes 0:39:32.719 --> 0:39:33.400 and he goes. 0:39:33.239 --> 0:39:36.879 To whatever it's called, what is it called machine. 0:39:40.560 --> 0:39:42.640 After practice, you know how they do that with some 0:39:42.800 --> 0:39:45.000 of the players and they getting some extra work just 0:39:45.120 --> 0:39:47.799 catching the ball right there. Well, they had a few 0:39:47.840 --> 0:39:50.760 of the running backs and you know, everyone's waiting their turn, 0:39:51.280 --> 0:39:55.400 and Lipky he's doing his thing, and then Zeke is 0:39:55.440 --> 0:39:57.640 waiting off to the side and he's just waiting. Okay, 0:39:57.719 --> 0:40:01.440 Well it looked like was done with the work, and 0:40:01.520 --> 0:40:05.040 then Zeke started going in and then he's like, oh no, no, no, 0:40:05.440 --> 0:40:08.280 hold on, I'm still not done, and like just get 0:40:08.400 --> 0:40:11.640 in the stiff arm. And then Zeke is like, it's 0:40:11.640 --> 0:40:13.560 all good man, he took your find. But then Zike 0:40:13.719 --> 0:40:15.640 just walked off and took his helmet off and it's like, 0:40:15.680 --> 0:40:18.600 all right, I'm done. It wasn't It wasn't anything like 0:40:18.760 --> 0:40:20.160 I'm not causing drama or anything. 0:40:20.200 --> 0:40:20.760 It wasn't anything. 0:40:20.800 --> 0:40:23.120 But it was just like something surprising that you see 0:40:23.360 --> 0:40:26.200 that you don't tend to see younger players kind of 0:40:26.440 --> 0:40:29.680 be like that with a veteran guy. So with all 0:40:29.760 --> 0:40:32.560 that being said, I'm just saying Leaky is a guy 0:40:32.680 --> 0:40:38.640 to look for, and I think he has the the personality, 0:40:38.800 --> 0:40:42.000 the drive, and we've seen it last year on the field, 0:40:42.160 --> 0:40:44.640 how he was playing, and I think he will be very, 0:40:44.760 --> 0:40:45.759 very effective this year. 0:40:45.840 --> 0:40:46.680 Yeah, I agree with you. 0:40:46.920 --> 0:40:49.120 Yeah you know, Oh yeah, I have a picture of 0:40:49.200 --> 0:40:50.600 the guy on your desk. 0:40:51.520 --> 0:40:54.280 I'll say this though, this is a really important position 0:40:54.640 --> 0:40:57.920 for this team because and this is nothing against. 0:40:57.640 --> 0:41:01.560 Dak Prescott, but I don't think I want Dak Prescott. 0:41:01.280 --> 0:41:03.640 Throwing the ball forty five times a game if they 0:41:03.760 --> 0:41:06.760 have no running game, you know, all of a sudden, 0:41:06.800 --> 0:41:10.400 and you know, interceptions happen. It's not all Dak's fault 0:41:10.440 --> 0:41:13.600 on interceptions, but the more you throw, the more the 0:41:13.680 --> 0:41:16.400 possibility of a ball clanging off somebody or somebody not 0:41:16.520 --> 0:41:18.520 running the right route or somebody you know, and then 0:41:18.520 --> 0:41:20.440 all of a sudden, it turns into turnovers. 0:41:21.200 --> 0:41:23.600 They have got to have They don't have to be 0:41:24.520 --> 0:41:26.000 the San Francisco. 0:41:25.600 --> 0:41:28.040 Forty nine ers running the football. They don't have to 0:41:28.080 --> 0:41:31.640 be the Baltimore Ravens running the football. But they don't 0:41:31.840 --> 0:41:35.280 need to be the thirty second ranked team running the football. 0:41:35.719 --> 0:41:38.000 And I think that that puts so much pressure on 0:41:38.280 --> 0:41:42.160 Dak and these receivers and tight ends if in fact 0:41:42.239 --> 0:41:44.600 they don't have a running game, and it might even 0:41:44.640 --> 0:41:47.400 put more pressure on their offensive line too to have 0:41:47.560 --> 0:41:50.840 to protect so and if, especially if you're dealing with 0:41:50.920 --> 0:41:53.400 a rookie left tackle, you know, how much do you 0:41:53.600 --> 0:41:56.759 really want to put him in harm's way early? So 0:41:57.600 --> 0:42:02.040 figuring out this running back room quickly before it, you know, 0:42:02.160 --> 0:42:04.600 goes into the point where, hell, the only way they 0:42:04.640 --> 0:42:06.640 can move the ball is throwing it. And that's not 0:42:06.719 --> 0:42:08.920 a problem. Sometimes with Dak, it's not a problem. Dak 0:42:08.960 --> 0:42:10.640 can throw the football and be just fine. We saw 0:42:10.719 --> 0:42:14.200 him finish second as the MVP. But throwing the football 0:42:14.280 --> 0:42:15.960 could also lead to more turnovers. 0:42:16.640 --> 0:42:18.799 That's a really good point. That's a really good point. 0:42:18.840 --> 0:42:22.439 You look at early in the season at Cleveland week 0:42:22.560 --> 0:42:25.800 one home and gets Baltimore week three, Homan gets Detroit 0:42:25.840 --> 0:42:27.920 week six at San Francisco. You need to win the 0:42:27.960 --> 0:42:30.759 time of possession battle on those games. And it's it's 0:42:30.840 --> 0:42:33.920 probably not a situation like the Amari Cooper situation was 0:42:33.960 --> 0:42:36.040 where maybe you can get five six weeks into the 0:42:36.080 --> 0:42:38.279 season and maybe address it. You gotta address that thing 0:42:38.320 --> 0:42:40.400 on the right of it, right, So that's gonna be 0:42:40.440 --> 0:42:42.200 an interesting factor in this whole whole equation. 0:42:42.360 --> 0:42:43.960 Final cutdowns will be big for them. 0:42:44.000 --> 0:42:46.160 Because maybe somebody will put a running back out there 0:42:46.239 --> 0:42:48.759 that they said, Okay, this guy is better than or 0:42:48.920 --> 0:42:50.880 maybe they just don't want to they don't want to 0:42:51.000 --> 0:42:52.960 chance it. And they could they could flip a pick 0:42:53.040 --> 0:42:55.399 and go get a guy and then say okay, let's 0:42:55.440 --> 0:42:56.279 plug him in and go. 0:42:56.760 --> 0:42:58.160 One of you got that. I would be interested to 0:42:58.320 --> 0:43:00.799 start talking to some folks about his molikue. I mean, 0:43:00.840 --> 0:43:02.600 if you're looking for a guy who could maybe bring 0:43:02.760 --> 0:43:06.359 some athletic presence to to marry with zek style. I mean, 0:43:06.400 --> 0:43:08.000 Malin Davis was a guy I think we were coming 0:43:08.040 --> 0:43:10.040 into camp last year as a guy like, hey, he 0:43:10.080 --> 0:43:12.080 could compete for an RB two type of role, and 0:43:12.560 --> 0:43:14.320 he ended up staying on the practice squad and just 0:43:14.400 --> 0:43:15.960 kind of fell off. And we haven't seen a whole 0:43:15.960 --> 0:43:18.000 lot of him out here yet, but I would like 0:43:18.040 --> 0:43:19.920 to see what he can bring from an athletic standpoint 0:43:20.040 --> 0:43:20.560 every season. 0:43:20.600 --> 0:43:23.080 Yeah, if you remember the playoff game against San Francisco 0:43:23.320 --> 0:43:25.000 when Pollard got hurt. 0:43:25.400 --> 0:43:26.600 Yeah he was. 0:43:27.360 --> 0:43:29.760 They didn't put him in, they went they went totally 0:43:29.800 --> 0:43:32.680 different direction there, So you wonder, but that was a 0:43:32.800 --> 0:43:36.360 previous regime in some in some ways with the running 0:43:36.400 --> 0:43:39.120 back coach and things like that, So you know, maybe 0:43:39.160 --> 0:43:42.000 it was a doghouse situation and now he's trying to 0:43:42.080 --> 0:43:43.239 kind of find his way out of that dog. 0:43:43.520 --> 0:43:45.480 It certainly felt like he fell out of favor with 0:43:45.640 --> 0:43:48.279 someone at some point, because there was a point where 0:43:48.320 --> 0:43:50.560 you thought he was kind of working himself into the mix, 0:43:52.040 --> 0:43:53.480 and then all of a sudden, it just seemed like 0:43:53.560 --> 0:43:56.320 he wasn't a part of the plans. 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