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Speaker 6: Yeah, good to be back of you guys. It was

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Speaker 6: an off day for the players on yesterday. Today they

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Speaker 6: crank it up, and they really crank it up.

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Speaker 5: Today.

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Speaker 6: Pats come on for the first time, so it should

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Speaker 6: be a lot of fun. A lot of things to

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Speaker 6: look out for before we get into that though obviously

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Speaker 6: the news that came from the weekend Sam Williams, mcl

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Speaker 6: and ACL tear. What does this mean for Sam Williams

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Speaker 6: Because this was a year where I feel like most observers,

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Speaker 6: a year where I think they were expecting Sam to

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Speaker 6: take that next step.

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Speaker 5: What do you think is next for him?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, this is tough for him. It was like you said,

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Speaker 4: I think a lot of people were expecting him to

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Speaker 4: and that just completely opened the floodgates for Sam Williams

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Speaker 4: to be able to take on both of their snaps,

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Speaker 4: both A Day productions. I mean, Dorren's Armstrong was a

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Speaker 4: guy that was second in sacks only behind Micah Parsons

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Speaker 4: expectation was that Sam Williams could probably be Micah Parson's

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Speaker 4: a lot of pressure here on this edge depth, which

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Speaker 4: I'm sure we'll dive into as well. But for Sam Williams,

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Speaker 4: it's super tough because he had the best opportunity of

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Speaker 4: his career going into twenty twenty four, going into his

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it really sucks.

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Speaker 7: And I mean we did that campaign out show the

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Speaker 8: Yeah, there's it is a very difficult loss, but especially

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Speaker 3: Out there, I think, with the opportunities that he'll get.

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Speaker 6: these are just you can't really predict them.

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Speaker 5: These things happen. But even beyond that, I think.

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Speaker 6: One of the most interesting things for me about where

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Speaker 5: The question becomes who's.

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Speaker 4: his versatility kind of play into that. He's definitely not

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Speaker 4: But that Sam Williams clone is not on this roster. Right.

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Speaker 4: You also have Durrell Johnson. He's a twenty twenty three

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Speaker 4: But I think those three guys are going to have

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Speaker 8: I feel like and you mentioned some really good names.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think there's probably a decision there from

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Speaker 4: But if you look at the rest of the group

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Speaker 5: But this is gonna be a challenge for them.

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Speaker 6: I think this is a probably one of the one

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Speaker 4: That's an interesting point because as somebody asked me on

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Speaker 5: He did it at Texas.

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Speaker 4: So yes, that that position group I think could kind

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Speaker 5: All right, personal guy, get to work.

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Speaker 6: We'll get some observations from the last couple of practices,

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Speaker 6: We were in the second segment live from ox Nod, California.

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Speaker 6: Today is the most exciting day of training camp in

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Speaker 4: who's been super impactful in the short, intermediate, and long range.

442
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Speaker 4: He's had the deep balls from Cooper Rush that he

443
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Speaker 4: hauled in for a touchdown in the final practice on Sunday.

444
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Speaker 4: He's had this short and intermediate stuff with Trey Lance

445
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Speaker 4: and Dak Prescott. He's looked awesome. I mean, he was

446
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Speaker 4: a speed guy coming out of Oklahoma State and he's

447
00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:38,920
Speaker 4: kind of developed as this possession guys his career has

448
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Speaker 4: gone on, and hey man, he's a guy that's just

449
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Speaker 4: kind of hung around on practice squads for the last

450
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Speaker 4: four or five seasons. He's starting to build some experience

451
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Speaker 4: and we see that experience paying.

452
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Speaker 7: Off a guy that I would say, and this is

453
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Speaker 7: more an observation as far as like just the dynamics

454
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Speaker 7: of it rather than plays that I've seen. But Ezekiel

455
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Speaker 7: Elliott and his his comeback and what that group looks like.

456
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Speaker 7: You know, it's very different than the time that he

457
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Speaker 7: was here. During the time that he was here, you know,

458
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Speaker 7: we always would see the dynamic between him and Dak

459
00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:15,760
Speaker 7: and very close and he's a very happy and active guy.

460
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Speaker 7: Right now it's completely different, Like if you didn't tell

461
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Speaker 7: me that was Zeke, I wouldn't know that that was

462
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Speaker 7: him because of the way he's carrying himself. He's like

463
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Speaker 7: and not that he was ever obnoxious at all. It's

464
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Speaker 7: more he's low key at the moment. He's focused, focused

465
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Speaker 7: on what he needs to do. He's doing his work

466
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Speaker 7: with the running back group. He's not like taking over completely.

467
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Speaker 14: He he.

468
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Speaker 7: I'm trying to perfectly describe it as like, you know,

469
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Speaker 7: it's Zeke when he was here, that's the main guy,

470
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Speaker 7: and he's the leader of the crowd. Now he's just

471
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Speaker 7: part of the group and just doing like working his

472
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Speaker 7: way back up. I should say, so, I thought that

473
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Speaker 7: was very interesting and completely different than what I've been

474
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Speaker 7: used to seeing when he was here prior. But I'm

475
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Speaker 7: curious to see just how the running back group develops.

476
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Speaker 7: Right now, there's nobody that really is taking over. Everyone's

477
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Speaker 7: doing kind of the same type of work and the

478
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Speaker 7: same type of the same amount of work.

479
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Speaker 2: And I'm still.

480
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Speaker 7: Wanting to see what the keeping my eye on that

481
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Speaker 7: running back group and see if anyone actually takes the leader.

482
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Speaker 3: Eric Kendricks is as good as advertised. Yeah, and you

483
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Speaker 3: watch him play.

484
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Speaker 8: His ability to be at the right place at the

485
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Speaker 8: right time. He baited Dak into an interception the other

486
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Speaker 8: day in practice where we haven't seen a linebacker I

487
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Speaker 8: believe since Sean Lee. When you start to talk about

488
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Speaker 8: playing past defense, getting in throwing lanes, getting interceptions, knocking

489
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Speaker 8: balls down, you know we're going to see what the

490
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Speaker 8: pads come on. You'll see that part where these linebackers

491
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Speaker 8: step up, they thump. They don't bring the running backs

492
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Speaker 8: or ball carriers to the ground. But you'll see number

493
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Speaker 8: fifty a lot probably in your clips. Probably Nick Harris

494
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Speaker 8: will have a bunch of clips where you'll see number fifty.

495
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Speaker 8: He's at the ball he's at the ball. He's at

496
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Speaker 8: the ball the way he's knocking the ball down. So

497
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Speaker 8: he's just been as good as advertised when you look

498
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Speaker 8: at his the veteran presence he has and his ability

499
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Speaker 8: to be at the right place at the right time

500
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Speaker 8: when the defense is called for.

501
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Speaker 6: So, as you guys are looking at those guys you've

502
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Speaker 6: watched through these first three practices as they get ready

503
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Speaker 6: to put on the paths today, what guys are you

504
00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:35,600
Speaker 6: going to be looking particularly for, because now with the

505
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Speaker 6: pads on, you can get a better evaluation on them.

506
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Speaker 4: I don't want to see anybody's answer. I don't want

507
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Speaker 4: to keep going first, Go ahead, Okay, I'm looking at

508
00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:44,720
Speaker 4: the trenches. You know, this is a group that I

509
00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:46,800
Speaker 4: think has got a big spotlight on them going into

510
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Speaker 4: Give me a guy one name Tyler guy easily looking

511
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Speaker 4: at him at left tackle. I mean, he was able

512
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Speaker 4: to do some things last week lining up against Michael

513
00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:57,439
Speaker 4: Parsons where he was able to account for whatever Michael

514
00:22:57,440 --> 00:22:59,320
Speaker 4: Parsons was throwing at him as far as what he

515
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Speaker 4: has on his path rush toolbag. But but the pads

516
00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:04,320
Speaker 4: aren't on. That's always the caveat see now the pads

517
00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:05,639
Speaker 4: are on. So he's gonna have to be able to

518
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Speaker 4: account for the full force that is Michael Parsons, the

519
00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:10,840
Speaker 4: full force that is the Marcus Lawrence and Marshawn neland

520
00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:13,359
Speaker 4: so how can he account for that? Whenever the Pads

521
00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:15,760
Speaker 4: come on today, Man, that's gonna be what I'm looking for.

522
00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:18,880
Speaker 4: I think it's gonna be a fascinating journey that Tyler

523
00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:21,800
Speaker 4: Guidon will have out here in Oxnard and in the preseason.

524
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Speaker 4: It's gonna be really big for him.

525
00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:28,520
Speaker 7: Well, my favorite period that I'm so excited to see today,

526
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Speaker 7: well it's when the O lineman go against the defensive

527
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Speaker 7: line and yes, the one on ones and one of

528
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Speaker 7: the main guys, i mean, Mazzie Smith. Huge, huge year

529
00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:45,439
Speaker 7: for him before the Pads coming on and all that

530
00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:48,080
Speaker 7: we saw or did we talk about it when he

531
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Speaker 7: had his little argument or five.

532
00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:52,040
Speaker 6: Talked about We talked about it on the on the

533
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Speaker 6: show the other night in.

534
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Speaker 7: Between the other truble, Well, he had some beef with somebody.

535
00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:58,399
Speaker 7: I'm still trying to figure out who the person was.

536
00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:03,760
Speaker 7: Apparently nobody saw it, but again, if the fire was

537
00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:08,359
Speaker 7: there during early that earlier on in practice, I'm waiting

538
00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:08,800
Speaker 7: to see.

539
00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:12,040
Speaker 2: I'm excited to see how he looks, how quick he looks.

540
00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:15,080
Speaker 7: We talked about how his body has started to change

541
00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:16,960
Speaker 7: a little bit, so I'm curious just to see how

542
00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:18,520
Speaker 7: he actually looks in action.

543
00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:23,879
Speaker 8: Can I say overshown, Yes, just because I feel like

544
00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:27,080
Speaker 8: though that he The last memory I had at him

545
00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:30,040
Speaker 8: was in a preseason game and I think he had

546
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Speaker 8: six plays and three tackles. And I'm interested to see

547
00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:37,680
Speaker 8: how now with the pads on the movement looks good.

548
00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:41,280
Speaker 8: He looks confident out there playing. I guarantee he's going

549
00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:44,160
Speaker 8: to get to every single ball today. He's that type

550
00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:47,280
Speaker 8: of player. And talking to Mike Zimmer, I'll give you

551
00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:49,240
Speaker 8: another guy real quick too, is Damone Clark.

552
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Speaker 3: Mike really likes Damon Clark.

553
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Speaker 8: And if you when you dig into with Damon Clark,

554
00:24:56,680 --> 00:25:00,960
Speaker 8: the physical ability is there, the athletic of ability is there.

555
00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:03,720
Speaker 3: Mike has got to work with him though on that

556
00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:05,760
Speaker 3: awareness and then also his.

557
00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:09,000
Speaker 8: Ability to read and to react, because once he's able

558
00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:12,159
Speaker 8: to do that, he can make plays. This lineback and

559
00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:16,160
Speaker 8: crew is so much better than where they were last

560
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:18,480
Speaker 8: year at this time, and so as a whole, if

561
00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:21,879
Speaker 8: you want to watch a position today, and I mentioned Kendricks.

562
00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:26,200
Speaker 8: Watch this linebacker crew today, and like Damber's talking about,

563
00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:28,919
Speaker 8: there's probably gonna be some one on one stuff, you know,

564
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:33,280
Speaker 8: with maybe we'll see the linebackers working against running backs

565
00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:34,680
Speaker 8: and tight ends throwing the football.

566
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Speaker 3: Maybe you'll see a little bit of that. You'll see some.

567
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:39,359
Speaker 8: Nine on seven where there's a run period. You know,

568
00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:42,040
Speaker 8: you'll see them fit in the runs and how they go,

569
00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:44,399
Speaker 8: and then you'll see some team period as well. But

570
00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:46,200
Speaker 8: I have a feeling at the end of the day,

571
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Speaker 8: to quote Stephen Jones, how he says that in the

572
00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:52,800
Speaker 8: end of the day, uh, the you're gonna look at

573
00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:55,680
Speaker 8: this lineback and crew and say, as a whole, they

574
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Speaker 8: probably had a pretty damn good day.

575
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Speaker 4: Monk Clark is a fascinating if I could, Mike, it's

576
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:02,879
Speaker 4: a fascinating thing. Really. You look at what he was

577
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:04,919
Speaker 4: asked to do last year. He was asked to do

578
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:07,800
Speaker 4: everything in the middle of that defense. And I think

579
00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:10,000
Speaker 4: it might be unfair for some to say that, you know,

580
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:12,800
Speaker 4: DeMont Clark probably won't be what everyone expected. But I

581
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:14,600
Speaker 4: think you kind of have to throw twenty twenty three

582
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:17,280
Speaker 4: out of the out of the picture because I understand

583
00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:19,120
Speaker 4: games like Buffalo where he was just in the wrong

584
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:23,320
Speaker 4: place at the wrong time at all times, but exactly

585
00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:27,440
Speaker 4: he was asked to do so much last year whenever

586
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:30,040
Speaker 4: late Vandresh went down. But now that those responsibilities are

587
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:31,919
Speaker 4: kind of being taken off his plate, he has a

588
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:34,199
Speaker 4: veteran in the room and Eric Kendricks. He has a

589
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:36,399
Speaker 4: guy that can rush the pass or step back into

590
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:38,720
Speaker 4: coverage next to him into Marven and Overshonamris, a little

591
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:40,679
Speaker 4: foul demon. Clark is going to be able to be

592
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:42,560
Speaker 4: DeMont Clark this year, and I'm very excited to see

593
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Speaker 4: what that looks like.

594
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Speaker 6: I'll throw out another position group that I'm really excited

595
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:48,800
Speaker 6: to see. I've in some of the conversations I've had

596
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:51,120
Speaker 6: with folks around here, I think there is a real

597
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:53,560
Speaker 6: belief that they have something special in the tight end room.

598
00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:55,680
Speaker 6: And so one of the things I want to see

599
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:58,240
Speaker 6: once the pacts come on is who starts to separate

600
00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:02,200
Speaker 6: themselves when you start blocking. Yeah, can school Maker take

601
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:03,840
Speaker 6: that step? Because that's what we saw from him in

602
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:05,800
Speaker 6: college at Michigan. We thought that's the part he would

603
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:07,920
Speaker 6: be able to come in and immediately be able to

604
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Speaker 6: be an upgrade there.

605
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:10,399
Speaker 5: But I don't know if they got that out of

606
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 5: him last year.

607
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:11,440
Speaker 3: They sure.

608
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 6: The question is now is he ready to take that step?

609
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:16,240
Speaker 6: Are some of those other guys who are really looking

610
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:18,600
Speaker 6: good when they're running, you know, in shorts and and

611
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:21,200
Speaker 6: and and and shells, but when you put on the pads,

612
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:22,560
Speaker 6: how do they look when they're having to block some

613
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:24,920
Speaker 6: of those defensive ends, some of those linebackers. I think

614
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:26,960
Speaker 6: that's going to be the tele tape for the tight ends.

615
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:27,960
Speaker 3: There's a lot of us.

616
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:30,720
Speaker 8: Here that have thrown dirt on on hindershot, you know,

617
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:32,240
Speaker 8: and all of a sudden, you know he's made a

618
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 8: couple of plays in camp, and you know they they

619
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 8: run the way they get the tight ends. It seems

620
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 8: the ball it's either the seam for the waggles where

621
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:42,160
Speaker 8: they move. They send the defense one way and come

622
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:44,960
Speaker 8: back the other with the tight end. So I'm looking forward.

623
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:47,639
Speaker 8: I'm with you on this. Can you know, can you

624
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:49,560
Speaker 8: see Luke scoon Maker and others?

625
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:49,960
Speaker 1: Uh?

626
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:51,000
Speaker 3: Span forward?

627
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:54,719
Speaker 8: These guys they're supposed to be blockers, big blocking guys,

628
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:56,720
Speaker 8: and if you and they're going to run the football,

629
00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:59,160
Speaker 8: they've got to be better as point of attack blockers

630
00:27:59,200 --> 00:27:59,800
Speaker 8: at tight end.

631
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:01,679
Speaker 4: Quick question I would have for you guys, as far

632
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:04,240
Speaker 4: as the tight end position goes is you have Schoonmaker.

633
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 4: Obviously it was this blocking guy you bring in, Brevin

634
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:08,880
Speaker 4: span Ford, who his specialty coming out of the Big

635
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:11,879
Speaker 4: Ten as well was the blocking aspect of things. The

636
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:14,080
Speaker 4: schoonmaker's roster spot is safe. So that's not what I'm

637
00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:15,720
Speaker 4: asking here. But do you think there's a little bit

638
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:18,760
Speaker 4: more pressure on Schoonmaker, Yes, to be able to produce

639
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:21,000
Speaker 4: knowing that you have another Big Ten guys span Ford

640
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:22,160
Speaker 4: who's ready to do the same thing.

641
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:23,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, you got to figure out too.

642
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:26,000
Speaker 8: And like with John Stevens, I mean, are they if

643
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:29,040
Speaker 8: they go long at a position When we break camp

644
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:31,720
Speaker 8: and we're all packing this thing up and we're starting

645
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:34,199
Speaker 8: to think about what positions, how's this fifty three man

646
00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 8: roster gonna look? These tight ends can make you feel

647
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:41,120
Speaker 8: about going long, and I mean going long like carrying

648
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:44,440
Speaker 8: an extra guy, you know, And so that's that's you know,

649
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:48,800
Speaker 8: these training camp practice to you'll cut yourself. If you

650
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 8: don't perform, you will cut yourself. And eight everyone's like, oh,

651
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:54,120
Speaker 8: well that the coach has got no you cut yourself

652
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:56,320
Speaker 8: because you didn't do I think there's a lot of

653
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 8: pressure on Luke's schoonmaker. And I know he's a second

654
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:02,280
Speaker 8: round and all that, but there are some guys on

655
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:07,480
Speaker 8: this roster right now that if they show better and

656
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 8: they you know, Luke Schoomaker, I'm not gonna say safe.

657
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:15,600
Speaker 8: I'm gonna say consideration if he doesn't perform well enough.

658
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 8: And they've got three other guys and plus what they got.

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Speaker 8: You know, Will McClay was talking to us about Hunter Lipkey,

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Speaker 8: you know, and there's another guy that Okay, you're gonna

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Speaker 8: keep a full back, that's gonna keep what's gonna happen

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Speaker 8: at running back?

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Speaker 4: Now?

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Speaker 3: WHOA Does that affect the tight ends? Does that affect

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Speaker 3: the offensive line?

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Speaker 4: They did line up Loopkey on some Titans.

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Speaker 3: Yes, exactly exactly.

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Speaker 2: So you saw Hendershan. He needs to This is a.

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Speaker 4: Step it off.

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Speaker 2: I have to step it up because last year was

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Speaker 2: not good. And we'll see.

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Speaker 7: So far, I haven't seen him do a whole lot

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Speaker 7: yet in this I don't know if you guys have

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Speaker 7: noticed anything from him.

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Speaker 8: Caught a couple of passes and stuff like that on

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Speaker 8: those boots and waggles things like that, but that's kind

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Speaker 8: of where.

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Speaker 3: You've seen the group. You've seen Hi.

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Speaker 8: You've seen him catch passes and that Scoonmakers even caught passes.

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Speaker 8: But to Derek's point, this group, if they are going

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Speaker 8: to run the football better, they have got to be

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Speaker 8: better as point of attack blockers.

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Speaker 3: And it starts out here today.

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Speaker 6: And to that point, there were two names. I've been

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Speaker 6: having some conversation with different people around here. They are

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Speaker 6: two names that keep coming up, Hunter lip Key and

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Speaker 6: John Stevens. Those two names keep coming up, and everybody

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Speaker 6: keep saying, man, these guys are and.

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Speaker 5: They but they have but they have. The people I've

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Speaker 5: talked to just they have a it seems like they

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Speaker 5: have a mental plan.

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Speaker 6: You always talk about this, Brian, you have a vision

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Speaker 6: for the player, and it seems like everybody that I've

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Speaker 6: talked to has like they see the vision for these

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Speaker 6: two players and they're excited about what they can be

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Speaker 6: in this offense.

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Speaker 8: Everybody wants Kyle Huescheck from the forty nine ers. See

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Speaker 8: if you've ever seen Kyle Hughescheck play. He's one of

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Speaker 8: the reasons why all of a sudden, Christian McCaffrey has

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Speaker 8: space because they got wide receivers that block, they got

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Speaker 8: a tight end at blocks and then they got a

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Speaker 8: full back that they bring in motion that sets us

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Speaker 8: the edge and then just hammers people to get the

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Speaker 8: so if they You know Hunter Lipkey last year, but

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Speaker 8: during the season he was what I call a half

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Speaker 3: He was only hitting half the defender and the defender

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Speaker 3: was getting off.

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Speaker 8: Towards the end of the year, he was hitting more

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Speaker 8: square and he was staying with guys and he was

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Speaker 8: kind of figuring out how to dig guys out of

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Speaker 8: a hole, which is a skill that's a hard still

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Speaker 8: to do something. I mean, Darryl Johnston was a master

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Speaker 8: at it in the nineties for the Super Bowl teams

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Speaker 8: here of going in there and digging guys. As a

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Speaker 8: full back, you can't be indecisive. You can't go in

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Speaker 8: there like and just kind of stop and shut her

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Speaker 8: around in there, because that makes the backstop. And what

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Speaker 8: You've got to get that thing going downhill. And Hunter

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Speaker 8: Lipkey got better at that last year.

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Speaker 4: You could kind of see the McCarthy wants to have

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Speaker 6: talk a little bit about the running back position. I

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Speaker 5: I want to talk about the running back stop member.

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Speaker 6: I want to talk about the running back position, and

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Speaker 6: I want to talk about it from the standpoint of

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Speaker 6: I'm gonna throw out some different uh, some different options,

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Speaker 6: and I'm gonna ask you, guys, which of these options

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Speaker 6: is most concerning to you?

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Speaker 5: Most concerning to.

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Speaker 6: You Zeke's ability to be a lead back, Rico Dowdle's

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Speaker 6: ability to stay healthy, Induce Vaughan Size, or Hunter Lipkey's

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Speaker 6: real true position?

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Speaker 5: Is he a running back or fullback? What's more concerning?

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Speaker 4: Hm hmm. I would have to go with Zeke's ability

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Speaker 4: to be a lead back, just because those other three,

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Speaker 4: those are other three areas. If they don't pan out,

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Speaker 4: I think there's a somewhere else where you could kind

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Speaker 4: of fill in and make something happen with it. Uh,

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Speaker 4: run me back. It was Rico's where if that were

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Speaker 4: to falter, you still have other bodies in that room.

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Speaker 4: Deuce Van Size. Yes, it's a concern, but I don't

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Speaker 4: think he's going to be asked what everybody else in

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Speaker 4: that running back room is going to be asked to do.

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Speaker 4: And then Hunter Lipke's positional you know, where does he go?

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Speaker 4: I think that's more speaks to his versatility. Yes, I

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Speaker 4: factor him into that running back room, but I also

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Speaker 4: kind of see him as a guy off on an

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Speaker 4: island a little bit. But Zeke's ability to be a

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Speaker 4: lead back. If he can't be a lead back, I

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Speaker 4: don't know who can in that room. So I would

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Speaker 4: have to go with that option.

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Speaker 2: But what are you calling a lead back?

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Speaker 6: A guy that if you get into a game and

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Speaker 6: you need to run him twenty times in that game,

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Speaker 6: he can do it.

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Speaker 5: And the question is is that Zeke at this point

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Speaker 5: his career.

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Speaker 6: I do think in the second half of the season

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Speaker 6: last year he had some games where you're like, Okay,

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Speaker 6: that's that's vintage Zeke.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I think you can run him twenty times, but

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Speaker 8: it might be for sixty one yards. Yeah, That's that's

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Speaker 8: kind of where you're.

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Speaker 3: At right now.

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Speaker 8: I mean it's the tough yards and stuff like that.

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Speaker 8: I think every point that you just went through is

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Speaker 8: an absolute concern, And I mean the Hunter Lipkey one.

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Speaker 8: I think Hunter Lipkey, we've kind of got him figured

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Speaker 8: out as being is the full back, the h the

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Speaker 8: tight end, maybe a short yardage back if he doesn't

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Speaker 8: fumble against the Dolphins. I think everybody's super happy about

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Speaker 8: Hunter Lipkey and what he's done. And you know, but

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Speaker 8: to me, this is where if I'm Will McClay, I'm

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Speaker 8: telling my pro department, my guys, I'm like, listen, let's

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Speaker 8: keep an eye on all these teams that have surplus

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Speaker 8: at running back. I don't know, I'm not gonna let

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Speaker 8: this scene get into the season like they did the

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Speaker 8: one year with the wide receivers. Remember when we're out

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Speaker 8: here and they went wide receiver by committee, then all

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Speaker 8: of a sudden it said we need Amari Cooper. You know,

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Speaker 8: I don't think it's gonna be week five, week six.

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Speaker 8: I think if they get through a couple of weeks

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Speaker 8: of practice here, maybe a preseason game, and it doesn't

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Speaker 8: look like it's like listen, our line is blocking, but

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Speaker 8: we're not getting anywhere, then I could very well see

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Speaker 8: them taking any surplus that they do have at a

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Speaker 8: position and maybe making a swap or taking a compensatory

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Speaker 8: pick and sending it to somebody, because there's teams that

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Speaker 8: do have starting callible running backs that aren't going to

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Speaker 8: be starters for that team, and maybe you can determine

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Speaker 8: that you can get that guy and it can help

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Speaker 8: you get to where you need to be.

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Speaker 2: See to me, I think.

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Speaker 7: I think Zeke with that role of having just a

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Speaker 7: split work between Rico, I think that could still be successful.

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Speaker 7: Then they could be better off playing that way. And

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Speaker 7: in certain tough scenarios like closer to the end zone,

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Speaker 7: you can now lean more towards a guy like Leapke,

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Speaker 7: like we've seen him do some of that. I mean,

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Speaker 7: he had that one mistake in that game where he

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Speaker 7: dolphins chair drop the ball or something, but I think

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Speaker 7: he can be that weapon that you bring in at

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Speaker 7: certain times at unique times. But the combination of Rico

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Speaker 7: and Zeke, I think I have my hopes and hopefully,

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Speaker 7: I mean we haven't seen it just yet, but I

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Speaker 7: think that could work. So to me, I would say

879
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 7: just having Rico's health more important. And I'll give you

880
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:30,319
Speaker 7: just a funny observation that you know the little thing

881
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:32,239
Speaker 7: the machine where you put the ball and he goes

882
00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:33,400
Speaker 7: and he goes.

883
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:36,879
Speaker 2: To whatever it's called, what is it called machine.

884
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 7: After practice, you know how they do that with some

885
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 7: of the players and they getting some extra work just

886
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:47,799
Speaker 7: catching the ball right there. Well, they had a few

887
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:50,760
Speaker 7: of the running backs and you know, everyone's waiting their turn,

888
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:55,400
Speaker 7: and Lipky he's doing his thing, and then Zeke is

889
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:57,640
Speaker 7: waiting off to the side and he's just waiting. Okay,

890
00:39:57,719 --> 00:40:01,440
Speaker 7: Well it looked like was done with the work, and

891
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:05,040
Speaker 7: then Zeke started going in and then he's like, oh no, no, no,

892
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:08,280
Speaker 7: hold on, I'm still not done, and like just get

893
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:11,640
Speaker 7: in the stiff arm. And then Zeke is like, it's

894
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:13,560
Speaker 7: all good man, he took your find. But then Zike

895
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 7: just walked off and took his helmet off and it's like,

896
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 7: all right, I'm done. It wasn't It wasn't anything like

897
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:20,160
Speaker 7: I'm not causing drama or anything.

898
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:20,760
Speaker 2: It wasn't anything.

899
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 7: But it was just like something surprising that you see

900
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 7: that you don't tend to see younger players kind of

901
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:29,680
Speaker 7: be like that with a veteran guy. So with all

902
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 7: that being said, I'm just saying Leaky is a guy

903
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 7: to look for, and I think he has the the personality,

904
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:42,000
Speaker 7: the drive, and we've seen it last year on the field,

905
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 7: how he was playing, and I think he will be very,

906
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:45,759
Speaker 7: very effective this year.

907
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree with you.

908
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:49,120
Speaker 2: Yeah you know, Oh yeah, I have a picture of

909
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 2: the guy on your desk.

910
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:54,280
Speaker 8: I'll say this though, this is a really important position

911
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:57,920
Speaker 8: for this team because and this is nothing against.

912
00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 3: Dak Prescott, but I don't think I want Dak Prescott.

913
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 8: Throwing the ball forty five times a game if they

914
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:06,760
Speaker 8: have no running game, you know, all of a sudden,

915
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:10,400
Speaker 8: and you know, interceptions happen. It's not all Dak's fault

916
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:13,600
Speaker 8: on interceptions, but the more you throw, the more the

917
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:16,400
Speaker 8: possibility of a ball clanging off somebody or somebody not

918
00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:18,520
Speaker 8: running the right route or somebody you know, and then

919
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:20,440
Speaker 8: all of a sudden, it turns into turnovers.

920
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:23,600
Speaker 3: They have got to have They don't have to be

921
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:26,000
Speaker 3: the San Francisco.

922
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 8: Forty nine ers running the football. They don't have to

923
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 8: be the Baltimore Ravens running the football. But they don't

924
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:35,280
Speaker 8: need to be the thirty second ranked team running the football.

925
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 8: And I think that that puts so much pressure on

926
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 8: Dak and these receivers and tight ends if in fact

927
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:44,600
Speaker 8: they don't have a running game, and it might even

928
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:47,400
Speaker 8: put more pressure on their offensive line too to have

929
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:50,840
Speaker 8: to protect so and if, especially if you're dealing with

930
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:53,400
Speaker 8: a rookie left tackle, you know, how much do you

931
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:56,759
Speaker 8: really want to put him in harm's way early? So

932
00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:02,040
Speaker 8: figuring out this running back room quickly before it, you know,

933
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 8: goes into the point where, hell, the only way they

934
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:06,640
Speaker 8: can move the ball is throwing it. And that's not

935
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:08,920
Speaker 8: a problem. Sometimes with Dak, it's not a problem. Dak

936
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 8: can throw the football and be just fine. We saw

937
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 8: him finish second as the MVP. But throwing the football

938
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:15,960
Speaker 8: could also lead to more turnovers.

939
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Speaker 4: That's a really good point. That's a really good point.

940
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:22,439
Speaker 4: You look at early in the season at Cleveland week

941
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:25,800
Speaker 4: one home and gets Baltimore week three, Homan gets Detroit

942
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:27,920
Speaker 4: week six at San Francisco. You need to win the

943
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:30,759
Speaker 4: time of possession battle on those games. And it's it's

944
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:33,920
Speaker 4: probably not a situation like the Amari Cooper situation was

945
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 4: where maybe you can get five six weeks into the

946
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:38,279
Speaker 4: season and maybe address it. You gotta address that thing

947
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:40,400
Speaker 4: on the right of it, right, So that's gonna be

948
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 4: an interesting factor in this whole whole equation.

949
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 3: Final cutdowns will be big for them.

950
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 8: Because maybe somebody will put a running back out there

951
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:48,759
Speaker 8: that they said, Okay, this guy is better than or

952
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:50,880
Speaker 8: maybe they just don't want to they don't want to

953
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:52,960
Speaker 8: chance it. And they could they could flip a pick

954
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:55,399
Speaker 8: and go get a guy and then say okay, let's

955
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:56,279
Speaker 8: plug him in and go.

956
00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:58,160
Speaker 4: One of you got that. I would be interested to

957
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:00,799
Speaker 4: start talking to some folks about his molikue. I mean,

958
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:02,600
Speaker 4: if you're looking for a guy who could maybe bring

959
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:06,359
Speaker 4: some athletic presence to to marry with zek style. I mean,

960
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 4: Malin Davis was a guy I think we were coming

961
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:10,040
Speaker 4: into camp last year as a guy like, hey, he

962
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 4: could compete for an RB two type of role, and

963
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:14,320
Speaker 4: he ended up staying on the practice squad and just

964
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 4: kind of fell off. And we haven't seen a whole

965
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:18,000
Speaker 4: lot of him out here yet, but I would like

966
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:19,920
Speaker 4: to see what he can bring from an athletic standpoint

967
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:20,560
Speaker 4: every season.

968
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:23,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, if you remember the playoff game against San Francisco

969
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 3: when Pollard got hurt.

970
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Speaker 5: Yeah he was.

971
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Speaker 8: They didn't put him in, they went they went totally

972
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 8: different direction there, So you wonder, but that was a

973
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:36,360
Speaker 8: previous regime in some in some ways with the running

974
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 8: back coach and things like that, So you know, maybe

975
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 8: it was a doghouse situation and now he's trying to

976
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:43,239
Speaker 8: kind of find his way out of that dog.

977
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Speaker 6: It certainly felt like he fell out of favor with

978
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:48,279
Speaker 6: someone at some point, because there was a point where

979
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:50,560
Speaker 6: you thought he was kind of working himself into the mix,

980
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 6: and then all of a sudden, it just seemed like

981
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Speaker 6: he wasn't a part of the plans. All right, we

982
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Speaker 6: appreciate you guys. John's will be back on Thursday and

983
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Speaker 6: we'll get more and too. We'll go to tell you

984
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Speaker 6: guys what's going on out here with these pads that'll

985
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