WEBVTT - Big Red Rage - Projecting Picks With Pasch 0:00:01.960 --> 0:00:05.400 Strap on the boots and scrape up the knuckles ahead. 0:00:05.480 --> 0:00:10.320 He got Jack. This is the big red Rain presented 0:00:10.400 --> 0:00:14.440 by Santanford in Gilbert. Harry's gonna score touchdown, then so 0:00:14.720 --> 0:00:17.680 for Bets goes up and begs the game. When it cast, 0:00:18.160 --> 0:00:22.919 Flary Luncheon does it again. The rage is brought to 0:00:22.920 --> 0:00:29.120 you by satan Ford in Gilbert. Are you Satanford State Farm? 0:00:29.120 --> 0:00:32.120 Talk to an agent today at eight hundred State Farm 0:00:32.920 --> 0:00:37.760 and buy Arizona Cardinals podcasts, Visit Acy Cardinals dot Com, 0:00:37.800 --> 0:00:46.600 Slash podcasts, The Rods Rising Guard, temperaturizing vision, flurring, rage 0:00:46.760 --> 0:00:51.040 taking over. Here's Paul KELVC. Get the popcorn ready, It's 0:00:51.040 --> 0:00:54.040 gonna be a show and Ron will fleep. It doesn't 0:00:54.040 --> 0:01:00.160 get any better than that, boy, unleash the far. There's 0:01:00.000 --> 0:01:05.600 a reason it is televised on not one, but two 0:01:05.720 --> 0:01:12.119 networks simultaneously, and why both networks get better TV ratings 0:01:12.880 --> 0:01:16.200 than games in the World Series. There's a reason why 0:01:16.240 --> 0:01:21.440 discussion fills countless hours for countless days on the airwaves 0:01:21.640 --> 0:01:25.920 and bandwidth. Why before the NFL draft we get a 0:01:26.000 --> 0:01:30.479 zillion mock drafts. And there's a reason why jobs are 0:01:30.520 --> 0:01:34.440 predicated and careers are decided upon who can pick and 0:01:34.560 --> 0:01:37.920 who cannot, and why there are jobs predicting who the 0:01:37.959 --> 0:01:41.679 decision makers will pick and who eventually they will not. 0:01:42.000 --> 0:01:45.520 It is the NFL Draft and Ron Wolfley. It is 0:01:45.600 --> 0:01:51.559 quite literally the future of football. TikTok. The question, Ballie, 0:01:51.640 --> 0:01:53.640 is this right here? What do you expect to see 0:01:53.800 --> 0:01:57.280 Thursday night? How many surprises do you expect to see 0:01:57.520 --> 0:02:00.440 in that first round? I think we're gonna see at Paul. 0:02:00.520 --> 0:02:04.560 I think we're gonna see surprise. And not only that, 0:02:05.000 --> 0:02:07.160 I love the fact that this draft is going to 0:02:07.240 --> 0:02:12.600 be heavily, heavily weighted towards tape and being able to 0:02:12.720 --> 0:02:16.320 vet tape, being able to process tape, not only as 0:02:16.360 --> 0:02:19.440 a general manager, of course, but an entire scouting department. 0:02:20.240 --> 0:02:24.240 I think the surprises begin at number four. I think 0:02:24.360 --> 0:02:27.799 Atlanta all of a sudden will do something. They'll finally 0:02:27.840 --> 0:02:31.000 get their price. A quarterback will be there, somebody will 0:02:31.000 --> 0:02:34.520 trade up. The Niners already have buyer's remorse or giving 0:02:34.600 --> 0:02:37.120 up too much to get to number three. Follow how 0:02:37.120 --> 0:02:39.240 do you see the draft starts at number four when 0:02:39.320 --> 0:02:42.239 you have Kyle Shanahan saying, you know what we might 0:02:42.280 --> 0:02:45.919 take all five, we might draft any five of the 0:02:46.000 --> 0:02:49.000 quarterbacks that are right there. We moved up to three 0:02:49.040 --> 0:02:51.520 because we thought there was at least three that we liked. 0:02:51.760 --> 0:02:55.440 Then all of a sudden we decided, hey, we like 0:02:55.639 --> 0:02:58.640 all five of these guys. You gotta be kidding me. 0:02:58.840 --> 0:03:04.040 You can't make this stuff football. But they're gonna take quarterback. Okay, yes, 0:03:04.240 --> 0:03:08.160 So that means at number four you have to ask yourself, well, 0:03:08.160 --> 0:03:12.600 Atlanta take quarterback, because if they don't, somebody will. Somebody 0:03:12.600 --> 0:03:15.200 will trade up and we'll trade into that spot. And 0:03:15.240 --> 0:03:18.200 then at that moment, it is like so on, and 0:03:18.240 --> 0:03:21.280 there's gonna be five quarterbacks selected before the Cardinals selected 0:03:21.360 --> 0:03:24.880 number sixteen, unless, of course, oh I don't know, maybe 0:03:25.000 --> 0:03:27.560 Patrick Curtan or JC Horne is still on the board 0:03:27.560 --> 0:03:29.720 by number nine, and you gotta jump in front of Dallas, 0:03:29.720 --> 0:03:32.560 and maybe the Cardinals pull the trigger on a big deal, 0:03:32.720 --> 0:03:35.360 big deal to get up in front of Dallas. Because 0:03:35.400 --> 0:03:37.320 the one certainty in this draft, Ron Wolfley, is that 0:03:37.360 --> 0:03:39.720 the Cowboys are going corner at number ten. And PAULI, 0:03:39.840 --> 0:03:42.040 once again, you know what, Honestly, there is gonna be 0:03:42.080 --> 0:03:43.960 a lot of surprises. I think you're right on that, 0:03:44.000 --> 0:03:47.520 and I would agree that the draft really does begin 0:03:47.720 --> 0:03:51.120 at number four. But we know that the forty nine 0:03:51.200 --> 0:03:54.560 ers moved up to number three to target somebody. Who 0:03:54.600 --> 0:03:56.800 that is we do not know. There's a lot of 0:03:56.840 --> 0:04:00.680 speculation out there. Was it Justin Fields? Was it Act Jones? 0:04:00.800 --> 0:04:04.119 Somebody that is an excellent scheme fit. Why did they 0:04:04.160 --> 0:04:07.320 move up to number three? Right there? That's a question 0:04:07.360 --> 0:04:10.760 mark as far as I'm concerned. I think the top 0:04:10.800 --> 0:04:14.240 two quarterbacks. I think we're probably going to see them 0:04:14.280 --> 0:04:17.320 go one and two as we expect. But to me, 0:04:18.000 --> 0:04:20.599 why did you move up there? John Lynch, That's the 0:04:20.720 --> 0:04:23.280 question that I have. When they made the trade, did 0:04:23.279 --> 0:04:25.800 I not say, what are you doing? You gave up 0:04:25.839 --> 0:04:28.280 three first round picks for the choice of either Mac 0:04:28.360 --> 0:04:31.320 Jones or Trey Lance or Justin Fields? Yeah? For real? 0:04:31.600 --> 0:04:34.799 And now when word is you're gonna take mac Jones 0:04:35.200 --> 0:04:39.120 and you're getting blowback from Niner Nation, even sourd O'sam 0:04:39.200 --> 0:04:41.599 at this point is upset. But you're gonna take You're 0:04:41.600 --> 0:04:46.080 gonna take yesterday's quarterback in mac Jones. Hey, Sam, sit 0:04:46.120 --> 0:04:49.200 down and shut it in a division with Kyler Murray 0:04:49.279 --> 0:04:53.320 and Russell Wilson, Are you serious? So now Kyle Shanahan's 0:04:53.320 --> 0:04:55.599 getting a little irritated. In effect. Speaking of Kyle, let's 0:04:55.600 --> 0:04:56.960 make it a good one because the end of the 0:04:57.000 --> 0:05:02.360 world might be Sunday. Dave Pass is next the pick 0:05:03.240 --> 0:05:08.640 and the two nineteen NFL Draft, the Arizona Cardinals select 0:05:09.480 --> 0:05:12.200 Kyler Murray. There's a kid that's wishing dream of if 0:05:12.240 --> 0:05:15.080 you know, going to a organization and being that guy, 0:05:15.640 --> 0:05:17.880 you know, turning the program around, an organization around, and 0:05:18.000 --> 0:05:20.200 you know, winning super Bowls. And I'm not here to 0:05:20.279 --> 0:05:22.400 lose games or go through the motions. I'm here to 0:05:22.640 --> 0:05:25.719 change things up. So I'm ready to go. I can't wait. 0:05:27.360 --> 0:05:31.919 Flashback to Draft Night twenty nineteen, the eventual rookie of 0:05:32.080 --> 0:05:36.480 the Year Kyler Murray on offense, then last year a 0:05:36.720 --> 0:05:39.719 Pro bowler, one of three in the NFC, Aaron Rodgers, 0:05:39.800 --> 0:05:43.640 Russell Wilson, and Kyler Murray. As we say, welcome into 0:05:43.640 --> 0:05:46.440 the Big Red Race, presented by santan Ford and Gilbert. 0:05:46.480 --> 0:05:50.120 We are santan Ford, Paul Calvc, Ron Wolfley, and just 0:05:50.160 --> 0:05:52.960 to prove wolf that we are indeed making Tuesday the 0:05:53.000 --> 0:05:56.760 most productive day of the week. We figured if we 0:05:56.800 --> 0:05:59.320 had one draft choice to make, and we had one pick. 0:05:59.680 --> 0:06:01.960 You know what, let's make it a good one, especially 0:06:01.960 --> 0:06:04.480 since once again we might not be here on Sunday, 0:06:04.480 --> 0:06:07.359 according to Kyle Shanahan, So we gotta make account. We 0:06:07.480 --> 0:06:09.920 gotta call the name the guy who's been the voice 0:06:09.920 --> 0:06:13.000 of the Cardinals for nearly two decades. As Dave Pass 0:06:13.200 --> 0:06:16.400 joins us on the Big Red Rage, Dave, are we doing? Hey? 0:06:16.440 --> 0:06:19.440 What's up? Palli Wolf? Are we doing? Guys doing good? David? 0:06:19.520 --> 0:06:22.320 Really appreciate you joining us as always. Right now, what 0:06:22.440 --> 0:06:24.039 is the one thought that is on your mind when 0:06:24.080 --> 0:06:27.760 we say NFL Draft twenty twenty one. What's the first 0:06:27.800 --> 0:06:30.000 thing that comes to mind? David? I think it's the 0:06:30.040 --> 0:06:33.039 thing that everybody is talking about, and that's the number 0:06:33.080 --> 0:06:35.920 three pick. What is San Francisco going to do? Because 0:06:36.000 --> 0:06:39.440 that could change the shape of the rest of the draft, 0:06:40.000 --> 0:06:41.760 and who knows, maybe it plays a role in what 0:06:41.800 --> 0:06:45.040 happens at number sixteen, Maybe plays a role in some 0:06:45.120 --> 0:06:49.080 teams that are even lower than the Cardinals looking to 0:06:49.160 --> 0:06:51.599 move up. I think it just it all depends on 0:06:51.680 --> 0:06:54.359 what San Francisco does. So they take Mac Jones, which 0:06:55.000 --> 0:06:58.480 I still have a hard time buying that that's the 0:06:58.520 --> 0:07:01.040 guy they're taking that they rated all that to take 0:07:01.080 --> 0:07:04.560 a guy that they probably could get later, then maybe 0:07:04.600 --> 0:07:08.359 nothing changes. But if it's Trey Lance, if it's Justin Fields, 0:07:08.400 --> 0:07:12.560 if it's Kyle Pitts, then all of a sudden, they're 0:07:12.560 --> 0:07:16.880 going to be a lot of teams scurring to try 0:07:16.920 --> 0:07:21.120 to either move up or maybe even move down. What 0:07:21.240 --> 0:07:24.680 if they actually intended to take mac Jones and the blowback, 0:07:24.760 --> 0:07:28.320 the backlash has been so fierce from their own fan 0:07:28.400 --> 0:07:31.120 base and from all the haters out there. Dave that 0:07:31.200 --> 0:07:34.440 now maybe they're rethinking it, because I'm with you. When 0:07:34.440 --> 0:07:35.920 they made the trade and then all of a sudden 0:07:35.920 --> 0:07:38.040 they made the trade for Mac Jones. I had a 0:07:38.040 --> 0:07:39.760 hard time believing they gave up what they did to 0:07:39.760 --> 0:07:42.320 get up to number three, to get any of those 0:07:42.520 --> 0:07:46.360 three quarterbacks, but to get yesterday's quarterback in a division 0:07:46.400 --> 0:07:48.760 with Russell Wilson and Kyler Murray, not get the dual 0:07:48.800 --> 0:07:52.440 threat guy. I just found that utterly confounding. Well, I 0:07:52.480 --> 0:07:55.640 think the thing that's most interesting, for whatever reason, it 0:07:55.680 --> 0:07:57.520 just seems like they want Jimmy g out of there, 0:07:57.640 --> 0:08:00.800 and I think you can still win this year with 0:08:00.920 --> 0:08:06.160 Jimmy Garoppolo, So why not take Trey Lance or Justin Fields. 0:08:06.280 --> 0:08:08.600 Let them learn for a year, because I think ultimately 0:08:08.600 --> 0:08:11.960 they're ceiling is greater than Mac Jones. Mac Jones might 0:08:12.000 --> 0:08:14.920 be able to help you win this year. Why not 0:08:15.000 --> 0:08:18.280 take Kyle Pitts. Imagine him and George Kittle and the 0:08:18.360 --> 0:08:21.120 different things you could do with those guys if you 0:08:21.280 --> 0:08:25.280 can use check and all those receivers they have, and 0:08:25.360 --> 0:08:28.520 that offensive line and that great defense. I think it's 0:08:28.560 --> 0:08:31.160 going to be hard to trade Jimmy G two, and 0:08:31.200 --> 0:08:33.920 you're taking a gamble that well in New England's not 0:08:34.000 --> 0:08:35.560 going to be able to get a quarterback, so they're 0:08:35.559 --> 0:08:38.680 going to have to trade for Jimmy G. So again, 0:08:38.760 --> 0:08:41.600 I just I have a hard time nothing against Mac Jones. Mac. 0:08:41.840 --> 0:08:44.880 I saw Mac play last year in person, and I 0:08:44.920 --> 0:08:46.960 saw him play two years ago when two of was hurt. 0:08:47.360 --> 0:08:49.880 He's a really good player, but he also had all 0:08:50.000 --> 0:08:54.880 world players around him. And again, I just number three. 0:08:55.040 --> 0:08:58.160 It just seems like such a reach, and people are saying, well, 0:08:58.320 --> 0:09:01.680 he's perfect for Kyle Shannahan. If you think about it, though, 0:09:01.880 --> 0:09:06.080 John Elway is really the perfect quarterback for the Shanahan family. 0:09:06.080 --> 0:09:08.800 And what's the one thing about John Elway that stands 0:09:08.800 --> 0:09:12.480 out above everything else his athletic ability, So why not 0:09:12.679 --> 0:09:15.840 Trey Lance are justin fields? Those guys, to me, fit 0:09:16.200 --> 0:09:19.199 Kyle Shanahan more than Mac Jones. David. You know what's 0:09:19.200 --> 0:09:22.440 really interesting about those guys is the fact there are people. 0:09:22.679 --> 0:09:25.880 There are scouts that will tell you Mac Jones is 0:09:25.960 --> 0:09:30.080 Tom Brady. Right, They will tell you that. And this 0:09:30.160 --> 0:09:32.600 is what scouts do. By the way they stand on 0:09:32.640 --> 0:09:35.720 the table, they hitch their wagon to a player, and 0:09:35.800 --> 0:09:41.000 they make declarations, proclamations. And there are many scouts that 0:09:41.160 --> 0:09:45.040 believe that mac Jones is Tom Brady. And it's not 0:09:45.120 --> 0:09:48.360 just the physical comparison, where Mac Jones we all know 0:09:48.480 --> 0:09:51.160 he's not fleet of foot. It's not like Mac Jones 0:09:51.160 --> 0:09:54.560 is gonna run around Tom Brady certainly coming out of college, 0:09:54.559 --> 0:09:57.280 coming out of Michigan, right, don't take your shirt off, 0:09:57.320 --> 0:10:00.280 Tom playse. Same thing with Mac Jones for the most part. 0:10:00.280 --> 0:10:03.480 But Mac Jones, to me, there are some scouts that 0:10:03.640 --> 0:10:06.480 think he is the second coming, if you will, of 0:10:06.600 --> 0:10:09.760 Tom Brady. And that's what you've got to do. You've 0:10:09.760 --> 0:10:12.440 got to make the declaration. Do you believe that if 0:10:12.440 --> 0:10:15.240 the forty nine ers moved up to number three to 0:10:15.400 --> 0:10:19.760 draft mac Jones. They believe it. Yeah, and that's fine. 0:10:19.800 --> 0:10:24.760 That's that's again. I Kyle Shanahan. I don't think he's 0:10:24.800 --> 0:10:28.719 going to take somebody that he doesn't think he can 0:10:28.800 --> 0:10:31.839 work with and then he doesn't think as smart. But 0:10:32.160 --> 0:10:35.920 at the same time, you have to look at the 0:10:35.960 --> 0:10:39.560 players around Matt. You're trying to project the players that 0:10:39.600 --> 0:10:43.880 he had at Alabama, even I mean, he never played 0:10:43.880 --> 0:10:46.320 a game at Alabama where he did not have two 0:10:46.480 --> 0:10:51.000 first round pick at wide receiver, not one time. And 0:10:51.200 --> 0:10:53.760 Kurt Warner told me a long time ago, when you're 0:10:53.840 --> 0:10:56.640 drafting quarterbacks in the first round, be wary of the 0:10:56.720 --> 0:10:59.760 guys that played with great players in college. It's sometimes 0:11:00.080 --> 0:11:03.800 order to evaluate those guys. Guess what Kurt beat out 0:11:03.840 --> 0:11:07.760 that guy, Matt Leiner. Matt Liner was that guy at 0:11:07.880 --> 0:11:10.880 USC played with all world talent around him, and then 0:11:10.880 --> 0:11:12.880 he got to the NFL and it was much tougher 0:11:12.960 --> 0:11:15.920 when the window wasn't three yards wide, where the separation 0:11:16.080 --> 0:11:19.560 was immense. So all right, Niners are looking for their guy. 0:11:19.679 --> 0:11:22.160 The rest of the division is set at quarterback, including 0:11:22.240 --> 0:11:25.880 Kyler Murray with the Cardinals. Obviously, the question is does 0:11:26.040 --> 0:11:29.559 his influence go beyond just playing quarterback and does it 0:11:29.640 --> 0:11:32.240 impact the NFL draft and the war room and the 0:11:32.320 --> 0:11:35.200 decision makers. That was the question to him this morning. 0:11:35.559 --> 0:11:38.199 I'm Good Morning Football the NFL network. I do believe. 0:11:38.200 --> 0:11:40.240 I think I have an influence in it. I don't 0:11:40.280 --> 0:11:41.800 know why I wouldn't, you know. I think if you 0:11:41.880 --> 0:11:43.840 got a guy at quarterback and you trust him and 0:11:43.880 --> 0:11:45.720 you want to be the face of the franchise for 0:11:45.880 --> 0:11:47.880 you know, a lot of years, I think he should 0:11:47.880 --> 0:11:50.319 have influenced just because I mean everything, you know it's 0:11:50.320 --> 0:11:52.840 technically built around the quarterback. So I think I had 0:11:52.920 --> 0:11:56.440 that relationship with Steve Encliffe, and you know, I'm excited 0:11:56.440 --> 0:11:58.400 to see what we do on Thursday. And look, guys, 0:11:58.400 --> 0:12:00.439 you know Steve Kime. He'll listen to anybody. He listens 0:12:00.480 --> 0:12:03.160 to everybody who's involved with football, and then he formulates 0:12:03.480 --> 0:12:07.280 his own decision. So whereas Kyla suggested Ceedee Lamb a 0:12:07.360 --> 0:12:10.679 year ago, obviously they went Isaiah Simmons Wolf. But to 0:12:10.840 --> 0:12:13.520 what degree are you listening if you're in the war 0:12:13.640 --> 0:12:16.120 room to your starting quarterback, whether it's Kyler in year 0:12:16.160 --> 0:12:18.800 three or Tom Brady and year thirty. Yeah, that's a 0:12:18.840 --> 0:12:21.480 great question, PAULI. It really is. But you know what, 0:12:21.520 --> 0:12:25.040 guy's input and influence are two different things. Can we 0:12:25.080 --> 0:12:29.520 agree on that input and influence are two different things. 0:12:30.280 --> 0:12:32.839 I don't think Kyler Murray is at a point in 0:12:33.559 --> 0:12:36.080 his development where suddenly you look at him and you 0:12:36.080 --> 0:12:38.480 know what, He's going to influence every guy that you 0:12:38.600 --> 0:12:41.480 bring in to the locker room. I don't think that's 0:12:41.520 --> 0:12:43.600 going to be the case. I will tell you right 0:12:43.600 --> 0:12:46.560 now that it is my philosophical belief. If you've got 0:12:46.600 --> 0:12:50.959 a franchise quarterback in your organization, why wouldn't you go 0:12:51.240 --> 0:12:54.240 and talk to him and get his inputs on a 0:12:54.280 --> 0:12:56.920 lot of moves you might make. Why wouldn't you do 0:12:57.000 --> 0:12:59.360 that if you knew this is the guy we're going 0:12:59.400 --> 0:13:02.080 to build our team around for the next ten or 0:13:02.160 --> 0:13:05.160 twelve years, why wouldn't you go get that kind of 0:13:05.200 --> 0:13:09.400 input and influence. But if you've got a young, developing quarterback, 0:13:09.440 --> 0:13:12.440 and that's what Kyler Murray still is to me, you're 0:13:12.440 --> 0:13:15.120 gonna get his input, no doubt about that. But I 0:13:15.160 --> 0:13:17.959 don't know just how much he's really going to influence. 0:13:18.240 --> 0:13:22.240 Steve Kim in the Arizona Cardinal Scouting Department, and you 0:13:22.280 --> 0:13:26.080 know what, they might have already listened to him. I mean, 0:13:26.120 --> 0:13:29.600 think about a dave. He started this offseason being somewhat 0:13:29.679 --> 0:13:32.719 vocal about offensive line, did he not? And maybe he 0:13:32.800 --> 0:13:35.760 was in a passive aggressive way via social media. But 0:13:35.880 --> 0:13:37.880 they went out and they made the move for Rodney Hudson, 0:13:37.880 --> 0:13:40.480 They made the trade Brian Winners, they acquired Calvin Beecham 0:13:40.480 --> 0:13:42.720 back on board. Who knows what they do in round one. 0:13:43.320 --> 0:13:46.360 But yeah, Kyler Murray hasn't hesitated off for his opinion 0:13:46.400 --> 0:13:51.200 on roster construction. I think guys that he may help 0:13:51.760 --> 0:13:55.520 make a decision indirectly, and that's it. I don't think 0:13:55.559 --> 0:13:58.400 he's walking into Steve Kim's office and saying, draft this 0:13:58.480 --> 0:14:01.440 guy and Steve said, okay, yeah, right, idea. I mean 0:14:01.520 --> 0:14:05.080 the guys that Kyler wants to get, I guarantee the 0:14:05.120 --> 0:14:07.319 same type of players as Steve Kim has thought about. 0:14:07.559 --> 0:14:10.160 When I say he's helped indirectly, I mean your job 0:14:10.280 --> 0:14:13.280 is to get weapons around him. Your job is to 0:14:13.320 --> 0:14:17.680 help your franchise quarterback succeed by protecting him and getting 0:14:17.760 --> 0:14:21.800 talent around him. So I just have a hard time 0:14:21.800 --> 0:14:23.640 seeing him walking into the war room and all of 0:14:23.680 --> 0:14:25.880 a sudden, everybody just stopping. What they're doing to hear 0:14:25.880 --> 0:14:28.240 what Kyler has to say about who he wants on 0:14:28.280 --> 0:14:31.400 the team. Speaking to the war room gentlemen, Steve Kim 0:14:31.440 --> 0:14:34.040 was asked when he met the media, so what is 0:14:34.040 --> 0:14:36.760 the potential you stay at sixteen? And then what's the 0:14:36.800 --> 0:14:40.640 potential you get aggressive and move up or perhaps move back? 0:14:40.680 --> 0:14:43.120 Since you have six picks in this draft, You're Steve 0:14:43.200 --> 0:14:46.160 Kin with six picks and where we're sitting, I think 0:14:46.160 --> 0:14:48.320 you would be more likely to trade back than to 0:14:48.400 --> 0:14:51.000 trade up. So that's one thing. And then you know, 0:14:51.040 --> 0:14:54.720 as far as trading back and accumulating more picks, it's 0:14:54.800 --> 0:14:57.000 no different than a lottery ticket. The more you have, 0:14:57.040 --> 0:14:59.160 the better you have a chance to hit. We know 0:14:59.160 --> 0:15:01.080 it's in an exact business, and to be able to 0:15:01.120 --> 0:15:03.240 accumulate more picks would be a real coup for us. 0:15:03.640 --> 0:15:06.160 Do you buy that, Dave? Are they more likely indeed 0:15:06.200 --> 0:15:10.360 to move back considering the lack of picks in this draft? Course, 0:15:10.400 --> 0:15:12.560 you know Rodney Hudson and DeAndre Hopkins were part of 0:15:12.640 --> 0:15:14.760 that equation. But what do you think? Are you buying 0:15:14.840 --> 0:15:18.400 anything you hear from anyone the Cardinals, Jam included, I 0:15:18.480 --> 0:15:21.560 don't think so, guys, I don't I think there are 0:15:21.600 --> 0:15:23.920 two things here that you're going to look at. You 0:15:24.040 --> 0:15:27.200 you're going to keep an eye on who's around between 0:15:27.680 --> 0:15:33.280 four and nine, and you're looking at to see which 0:15:33.320 --> 0:15:37.080 quarterbacks go And is one of those receivers still there? 0:15:38.120 --> 0:15:40.600 Do you want to move up to get a weapon 0:15:40.920 --> 0:15:44.880 for Kyler or are there some players that are sliding? 0:15:44.960 --> 0:15:46.280 That's why I say you want to keep an eye 0:15:46.320 --> 0:15:50.960 on four through nine. Is Elijah vera Tucker sliding? Is 0:15:51.000 --> 0:15:54.360 he around and you think you can get him at sixteen? 0:15:54.640 --> 0:15:59.440 I think there's some other players that have top ten 0:16:00.280 --> 0:16:04.280 fifteen grades that you're hoping slide to you. But if 0:16:04.320 --> 0:16:07.520 all of a sudden there's a guy that's there that 0:16:07.640 --> 0:16:09.640 you think you can go get that you didn't think 0:16:09.760 --> 0:16:11.720 was going to be there, I think you have to 0:16:11.760 --> 0:16:14.960 seriously consider it. Terms of trading down, I mean it's 0:16:14.960 --> 0:16:17.960 always a risk, right You trade down thinking, okay, we'll 0:16:18.000 --> 0:16:21.200 get an additional pick and we've got our eyes on 0:16:21.320 --> 0:16:23.160 a guy and see you trade down. Then all of 0:16:23.200 --> 0:16:26.120 a sudden that guy's gone. Then what do you do? 0:16:26.520 --> 0:16:28.880 So if you trade down, you better have several guys 0:16:28.920 --> 0:16:32.160 that you're okay with getting, and maybe they do and 0:16:32.280 --> 0:16:36.560 that again comes back to because this draft, guys, is 0:16:37.000 --> 0:16:39.320 the hardest probably to evaluate, because you have so many 0:16:39.320 --> 0:16:41.600 guys that opted out, and you got to find out 0:16:41.640 --> 0:16:43.960 from the guys that opted out why they did. And 0:16:44.000 --> 0:16:45.720 if you're in the Pac twelve with a big ten, 0:16:45.880 --> 0:16:47.760 I mean, how much are you holding that against them? 0:16:47.800 --> 0:16:49.920 Because a lot of them probably wanted to play or 0:16:49.960 --> 0:16:52.200 sign with an agent and then they were told, Okay, 0:16:52.240 --> 0:16:54.200 now you can go back. I mean, it was such 0:16:54.200 --> 0:16:58.000 a strange year on so many levels that yeah, I mean, 0:16:58.040 --> 0:17:00.480 maybe there will be several guys that slide, but I 0:17:00.600 --> 0:17:03.360 just see the Cardinals. He's either staying at sixteen are 0:17:03.400 --> 0:17:05.360 actually trying to move up. You know what I love. 0:17:05.400 --> 0:17:07.480 I love this time of year. That's the best thing 0:17:07.520 --> 0:17:10.800 about it, guys, Are you kidding me? Draft supter fuge. 0:17:11.200 --> 0:17:16.120 I don't believe anything that any general manager says at 0:17:16.160 --> 0:17:19.280 this point of the year. And you know what you 0:17:19.320 --> 0:17:22.720 can you can honestly say, guys that why would you 0:17:22.800 --> 0:17:25.680 expect him to tell the truth. He can actually tell 0:17:25.720 --> 0:17:28.520 the truth at this moment in time, and nobody's gonna 0:17:28.520 --> 0:17:32.960 believe him anyways. It's just this beautiful brew of draft 0:17:33.000 --> 0:17:37.920 subterfuge that is going on. Right now. That's it's incredible. 0:17:38.040 --> 0:17:40.880 It's incredible to watch this. Whether the guy is telling 0:17:40.920 --> 0:17:44.320 the truth or not, it really doesn't matter because nobody 0:17:44.359 --> 0:17:47.160 believes him. And what Dave just said is interesting. Either 0:17:47.160 --> 0:17:49.560 the Cardinals stay at number sixteen or they move up 0:17:50.119 --> 0:17:53.879 in his opinion, not move back either way. This is 0:17:53.920 --> 0:17:57.200 deep and wide receivers. He mentioned Kurt Warner. We'll hear 0:17:57.200 --> 0:17:59.320 from Kurt Warner, whos on the Big Red Rage last week. 0:17:59.320 --> 0:18:01.840 We'll talk even next then the Big Red Rage presented 0:18:01.880 --> 0:18:07.800 by Santan Ford in Gilbert. Shotguns napped to kylum Or 0:18:07.960 --> 0:18:10.920 from the pocket deep bass, left side, going for Hopkins 0:18:11.119 --> 0:18:15.600 one end to catch it a touchdown DeAndre Hopkins. Obviously 0:18:15.600 --> 0:18:17.680 you'd love to get another number one with DeAndre, but 0:18:17.760 --> 0:18:21.080 even that complimentary, really strong number two. To go on 0:18:21.119 --> 0:18:24.080 the other side and give you some playmaking would be great. 0:18:24.760 --> 0:18:27.960 Two voices right there. Kurt Warner, obviously the Hall of Famer, 0:18:28.040 --> 0:18:30.600 joined us last week on the Big Red Rage, preceded 0:18:30.640 --> 0:18:33.879 by the Voice of the Arizona Cardinals. Dave Pash was 0:18:33.920 --> 0:18:36.320 with us on this edition, the pre draft edition, all 0:18:36.359 --> 0:18:39.159 brought to you by satan Ford in Gilbert. Paul kelvc 0:18:39.359 --> 0:18:43.760 Ron Wolfley, and the question becomes gentlemen, Arguably the deepest 0:18:43.880 --> 0:18:48.280 position group in this draft is wide receiver. Kurt Warner 0:18:48.320 --> 0:18:52.080 always on board with getting another weapon. Dave, what about you? 0:18:52.119 --> 0:18:55.560 Just your general thoughts. We're gonna hear from Steve Kin momentarily, 0:18:55.640 --> 0:18:57.720 but give me your general thoughts on if the Cardinals 0:18:57.760 --> 0:19:03.000 go receiver number sixteen overall? Well, I mean, if you're 0:19:03.000 --> 0:19:05.359 at number sixteen, the best receivers are probably going to 0:19:05.440 --> 0:19:07.879 be gone. And I include Kyle Pitts in that group, 0:19:07.960 --> 0:19:11.800 even though he's listed as a tight end. He's everything, 0:19:11.920 --> 0:19:16.560 he's anything. So if you're staying at sixteen, you're probably 0:19:16.600 --> 0:19:20.600 talking about kid Darius Tony being the best guy left. 0:19:21.440 --> 0:19:24.080 And again, I'm not sure that the Cardinals are going 0:19:24.160 --> 0:19:27.000 to take him at sixteen. I think the guys that 0:19:27.040 --> 0:19:29.280 are game changers are the guys at the top of 0:19:29.280 --> 0:19:32.119 the board. Jamar Chase, who's obviously going to be gone early. 0:19:32.600 --> 0:19:36.760 It's looking like Cincinnati at five, and then you know 0:19:36.880 --> 0:19:40.800 Jalen Waddle and Davante Smith who goes before whom does 0:19:40.800 --> 0:19:43.040 somebody move up to try to get one of those guys? 0:19:43.200 --> 0:19:47.040 Are one of those guys still there? At nine, ten, eleven. Again, 0:19:47.080 --> 0:19:48.639 that's why I go back to what I said earlier 0:19:48.640 --> 0:19:51.399 about kind of you're just keeping an eye on what 0:19:51.480 --> 0:19:53.960 happens four through nine, because if one of those guys 0:19:54.040 --> 0:19:56.000 slip and you think he can go get him and 0:19:56.000 --> 0:19:57.439 you don't have to give up, and you're gonna to 0:19:57.440 --> 0:19:59.880 give up something, but you don't have to completely mortgage 0:19:59.880 --> 0:20:02.960 your future. Those guys, to me, are the game changers. 0:20:03.240 --> 0:20:05.119 Darius Tony I think has a chance to be a 0:20:05.119 --> 0:20:07.520 really good player, and to me, he's the best of 0:20:07.560 --> 0:20:10.840 the guys that are after the Big three. But I 0:20:11.480 --> 0:20:13.359 think there are other players that are going to be 0:20:13.440 --> 0:20:16.159 there in my mind, that are are going to be 0:20:16.200 --> 0:20:20.040 more of value picks for you than taking Tony at sixteen. Well, 0:20:20.160 --> 0:20:22.400 before you get your thoughts, here's the GM Steve Kime 0:20:22.520 --> 0:20:25.760 this week on the receiver class twenty twenty one. I 0:20:25.800 --> 0:20:28.280 think it's a really deep receiver class, and they all 0:20:28.320 --> 0:20:31.000 have different traits, especially those guys at the top. They're 0:20:31.040 --> 0:20:34.520 all different sizes, they have different skill sets, whether they 0:20:34.520 --> 0:20:36.720 can play X or Z or you know, do some 0:20:36.800 --> 0:20:38.439 things for you in the return game. A couple of 0:20:38.440 --> 0:20:41.119 those guys have that skill set. To me, I think 0:20:41.160 --> 0:20:43.000 there's probably going to be five or six guys that 0:20:43.080 --> 0:20:45.560 could potentially go in the first round. What do you think, Well, 0:20:46.320 --> 0:20:48.760 you know, it's interesting because there's a lot of guys 0:20:48.760 --> 0:20:51.160 that have Jaln Waddle on their big board right around 0:20:51.240 --> 0:20:54.639 number twelve, number fourteen, some have him number sixteen. As 0:20:54.680 --> 0:20:56.760 a matter of fact, I've seen him as low as 0:20:56.840 --> 0:21:00.640 number eighteen. Is it a possibility that somehow, some way 0:21:00.760 --> 0:21:04.800 Jaalen Waddle might actually fall to number sixteen. I don't know. 0:21:05.200 --> 0:21:08.240 But if he does fall to number sixteen, I say 0:21:08.320 --> 0:21:11.480 run to the podium and draft him. And I despise 0:21:11.640 --> 0:21:18.360 myself for actually saying that, because yeah, right at sixteen. Okay, yes, 0:21:18.560 --> 0:21:20.239 but you know what, David, once again, I think we're 0:21:20.280 --> 0:21:23.359 in for some surprises. I do. I think we're gonna 0:21:23.359 --> 0:21:26.359 be in for some surprises here in the first round, 0:21:26.520 --> 0:21:29.640 especially in the first fifteen. We'll see what happens. We'll 0:21:29.640 --> 0:21:32.439 see who's moving up and who's dropping out of the 0:21:32.480 --> 0:21:35.720 top fifteen. We'll we'll see. But to me, I think 0:21:35.800 --> 0:21:38.119 there's gonna be an awful lot of surprises. And the 0:21:38.160 --> 0:21:42.159 reason being is because this is a tape tape tape 0:21:42.160 --> 0:21:45.359