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Speaker 1: zillion mock drafts. And there's a reason why jobs are
Speaker 1: predicated and careers are decided upon who can pick and
Speaker 1: who cannot, and why there are jobs predicting who the
Speaker 1: decision makers will pick and who eventually they will not.
Speaker 1: It is the NFL Draft and Ron Wolfley. It is
Speaker 1: quite literally the future of football. TikTok. The question, Ballie,
Speaker 1: is this right here? What do you expect to see
Speaker 1: Thursday night? How many surprises do you expect to see
Speaker 1: in that first round? I think we're gonna see at Paul.
Speaker 1: I think we're gonna see surprise. And not only that,
Speaker 1: I love the fact that this draft is going to
Speaker 1: be heavily, heavily weighted towards tape and being able to
Speaker 1: vet tape, being able to process tape, not only as
Speaker 1: a general manager, of course, but an entire scouting department.
Speaker 1: I think the surprises begin at number four. I think
Speaker 1: Atlanta all of a sudden will do something. They'll finally
Speaker 1: get their price. A quarterback will be there, somebody will
Speaker 1: trade up. The Niners already have buyer's remorse or giving
Speaker 1: up too much to get to number three. Follow how
Speaker 1: do you see the draft starts at number four when
Speaker 1: you have Kyle Shanahan saying, you know what we might
Speaker 1: take all five, we might draft any five of the
Speaker 1: quarterbacks that are right there. We moved up to three
Speaker 1: because we thought there was at least three that we liked.
Speaker 1: Then all of a sudden we decided, hey, we like
Speaker 1: all five of these guys. You gotta be kidding me.
Speaker 1: You can't make this stuff football. But they're gonna take quarterback. Okay, yes,
Speaker 1: So that means at number four you have to ask yourself, well,
Speaker 1: Atlanta take quarterback, because if they don't, somebody will. Somebody
Speaker 1: will trade up and we'll trade into that spot. And
Speaker 1: then at that moment, it is like so on, and
Speaker 1: there's gonna be five quarterbacks selected before the Cardinals selected
Speaker 1: number sixteen, unless, of course, oh I don't know, maybe
Speaker 1: Patrick Curtan or JC Horne is still on the board
Speaker 1: by number nine, and you gotta jump in front of Dallas,
Speaker 1: and maybe the Cardinals pull the trigger on a big deal,
Speaker 1: big deal to get up in front of Dallas. Because
Speaker 1: the one certainty in this draft, Ron Wolfley, is that
Speaker 1: the Cowboys are going corner at number ten. And PAULI,
Speaker 1: once again, you know what, Honestly, there is gonna be
Speaker 1: a lot of surprises. I think you're right on that,
Speaker 1: and I would agree that the draft really does begin
Speaker 1: at number four. But we know that the forty nine
Speaker 1: ers moved up to number three to target somebody. Who
Speaker 1: that is we do not know. There's a lot of
Speaker 1: speculation out there. Was it Justin Fields? Was it Act Jones?
Speaker 1: Somebody that is an excellent scheme fit. Why did they
Speaker 1: move up to number three? Right there? That's a question
Speaker 1: mark as far as I'm concerned. I think the top
Speaker 1: two quarterbacks. I think we're probably going to see them
Speaker 1: go one and two as we expect. But to me,
Speaker 1: why did you move up there? John Lynch, That's the
Speaker 1: question that I have. When they made the trade, did
Speaker 1: I not say, what are you doing? You gave up
Speaker 1: three first round picks for the choice of either Mac
Speaker 1: Jones or Trey Lance or Justin Fields? Yeah? For real?
Speaker 1: And now when word is you're gonna take mac Jones
Speaker 1: and you're getting blowback from Niner Nation, even sourd O'sam
Speaker 1: at this point is upset. But you're gonna take You're
Speaker 1: gonna take yesterday's quarterback in mac Jones. Hey, Sam, sit
Speaker 1: down and shut it in a division with Kyler Murray
Speaker 1: and Russell Wilson, Are you serious? So now Kyle Shanahan's
Speaker 1: getting a little irritated. In effect. Speaking of Kyle, let's
Speaker 1: make it a good one because the end of the
Speaker 1: world might be Sunday. Dave Pass is next the pick
Speaker 1: and the two nineteen NFL Draft, the Arizona Cardinals select
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray. There's a kid that's wishing dream of if
Speaker 1: you know, going to a organization and being that guy,
Speaker 1: you know, turning the program around, an organization around, and
Speaker 1: you know, winning super Bowls. And I'm not here to
Speaker 1: lose games or go through the motions. I'm here to
Speaker 1: change things up. So I'm ready to go. I can't wait.
Speaker 1: Flashback to Draft Night twenty nineteen, the eventual rookie of
Speaker 1: the Year Kyler Murray on offense, then last year a
Speaker 1: Pro bowler, one of three in the NFC, Aaron Rodgers,
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson, and Kyler Murray. As we say, welcome into
Speaker 1: the Big Red Race, presented by santan Ford and Gilbert.
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Speaker 1: to prove wolf that we are indeed making Tuesday the
Speaker 1: most productive day of the week. We figured if we
Speaker 1: had one draft choice to make, and we had one pick.
Speaker 1: You know what, let's make it a good one, especially
Speaker 1: since once again we might not be here on Sunday,
Speaker 1: according to Kyle Shanahan, So we gotta make account. We
Speaker 1: gotta call the name the guy who's been the voice
Speaker 1: of the Cardinals for nearly two decades. As Dave Pass
Speaker 1: joins us on the Big Red Rage, Dave, are we doing? Hey?
Speaker 1: What's up? Palli Wolf? Are we doing? Guys doing good? David?
Speaker 1: Really appreciate you joining us as always. Right now, what
Speaker 1: is the one thought that is on your mind when
Speaker 1: we say NFL Draft twenty twenty one. What's the first
Speaker 1: thing that comes to mind? David? I think it's the
Speaker 1: thing that everybody is talking about, and that's the number
Speaker 1: three pick. What is San Francisco going to do? Because
Speaker 1: that could change the shape of the rest of the draft,
Speaker 1: and who knows, maybe it plays a role in what
Speaker 1: happens at number sixteen, Maybe plays a role in some
Speaker 1: teams that are even lower than the Cardinals looking to
Speaker 1: move up. I think it just it all depends on
Speaker 1: what San Francisco does. So they take Mac Jones, which
Speaker 1: I still have a hard time buying that that's the
Speaker 1: guy they're taking that they rated all that to take
Speaker 1: a guy that they probably could get later, then maybe
Speaker 1: nothing changes. But if it's Trey Lance, if it's Justin Fields,
Speaker 1: if it's Kyle Pitts, then all of a sudden, they're
Speaker 1: going to be a lot of teams scurring to try
Speaker 1: to either move up or maybe even move down. What
Speaker 1: if they actually intended to take mac Jones and the blowback,
Speaker 1: the backlash has been so fierce from their own fan
Speaker 1: base and from all the haters out there. Dave that
Speaker 1: now maybe they're rethinking it, because I'm with you. When
Speaker 1: they made the trade and then all of a sudden
Speaker 1: they made the trade for Mac Jones. I had a
Speaker 1: hard time believing they gave up what they did to
Speaker 1: get up to number three, to get any of those
Speaker 1: three quarterbacks, but to get yesterday's quarterback in a division
Speaker 1: with Russell Wilson and Kyler Murray, not get the dual
Speaker 1: threat guy. I just found that utterly confounding. Well, I
Speaker 1: think the thing that's most interesting, for whatever reason, it
Speaker 1: just seems like they want Jimmy g out of there,
Speaker 1: and I think you can still win this year with
Speaker 1: Jimmy Garoppolo, So why not take Trey Lance or Justin Fields.
Speaker 1: Let them learn for a year, because I think ultimately
Speaker 1: they're ceiling is greater than Mac Jones. Mac Jones might
Speaker 1: be able to help you win this year. Why not
Speaker 1: take Kyle Pitts. Imagine him and George Kittle and the
Speaker 1: different things you could do with those guys if you
Speaker 1: can use check and all those receivers they have, and
Speaker 1: that offensive line and that great defense. I think it's
Speaker 1: going to be hard to trade Jimmy G two, and
Speaker 1: you're taking a gamble that well in New England's not
Speaker 1: going to be able to get a quarterback, so they're
Speaker 1: going to have to trade for Jimmy G. So again,
Speaker 1: I just I have a hard time nothing against Mac Jones. Mac.
Speaker 1: I saw Mac play last year in person, and I
Speaker 1: saw him play two years ago when two of was hurt.
Speaker 1: He's a really good player, but he also had all
Speaker 1: world players around him. And again, I just number three.
Speaker 1: It just seems like such a reach, and people are saying, well,
Speaker 1: he's perfect for Kyle Shannahan. If you think about it, though,
Speaker 1: John Elway is really the perfect quarterback for the Shanahan family.
Speaker 1: And what's the one thing about John Elway that stands
Speaker 1: out above everything else his athletic ability, So why not
Speaker 1: Trey Lance are justin fields? Those guys, to me, fit
Speaker 1: Kyle Shanahan more than Mac Jones. David. You know what's
Speaker 1: really interesting about those guys is the fact there are people.
Speaker 1: There are scouts that will tell you Mac Jones is
Speaker 1: Tom Brady. Right, They will tell you that. And this
Speaker 1: is what scouts do. By the way they stand on
Speaker 1: the table, they hitch their wagon to a player, and
Speaker 1: they make declarations, proclamations. And there are many scouts that
Speaker 1: believe that mac Jones is Tom Brady. And it's not
Speaker 1: just the physical comparison, where Mac Jones we all know
Speaker 1: he's not fleet of foot. It's not like Mac Jones
Speaker 1: is gonna run around Tom Brady certainly coming out of college,
Speaker 1: coming out of Michigan, right, don't take your shirt off,
Speaker 1: Tom playse. Same thing with Mac Jones for the most part.
Speaker 1: But Mac Jones, to me, there are some scouts that
Speaker 1: think he is the second coming, if you will, of
Speaker 1: Tom Brady. And that's what you've got to do. You've
Speaker 1: got to make the declaration. Do you believe that if
Speaker 1: the forty nine ers moved up to number three to
Speaker 1: draft mac Jones. They believe it. Yeah, and that's fine.
Speaker 1: That's that's again. I Kyle Shanahan. I don't think he's
Speaker 1: going to take somebody that he doesn't think he can
Speaker 1: work with and then he doesn't think as smart. But
Speaker 1: at the same time, you have to look at the
Speaker 1: players around Matt. You're trying to project the players that
Speaker 1: he had at Alabama, even I mean, he never played
Speaker 1: a game at Alabama where he did not have two
Speaker 1: first round pick at wide receiver, not one time. And
Speaker 1: Kurt Warner told me a long time ago, when you're
Speaker 1: drafting quarterbacks in the first round, be wary of the
Speaker 1: guys that played with great players in college. It's sometimes
Speaker 1: order to evaluate those guys. Guess what Kurt beat out
Speaker 1: that guy, Matt Leiner. Matt Liner was that guy at
Speaker 1: USC played with all world talent around him, and then
Speaker 1: he got to the NFL and it was much tougher
Speaker 1: when the window wasn't three yards wide, where the separation
Speaker 1: was immense. So all right, Niners are looking for their guy.
Speaker 1: The rest of the division is set at quarterback, including
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray with the Cardinals. Obviously, the question is does
Speaker 1: his influence go beyond just playing quarterback and does it
Speaker 1: impact the NFL draft and the war room and the
Speaker 1: decision makers. That was the question to him this morning.
Speaker 1: I'm Good Morning Football the NFL network. I do believe.
Speaker 1: I think I have an influence in it. I don't
Speaker 1: know why I wouldn't, you know. I think if you
Speaker 1: got a guy at quarterback and you trust him and
Speaker 1: you want to be the face of the franchise for
Speaker 1: you know, a lot of years, I think he should
Speaker 1: have influenced just because I mean everything, you know it's
Speaker 1: technically built around the quarterback. So I think I had
Speaker 1: that relationship with Steve Encliffe, and you know, I'm excited
Speaker 1: to see what we do on Thursday. And look, guys,
Speaker 1: you know Steve Kime. He'll listen to anybody. He listens
Speaker 1: to everybody who's involved with football, and then he formulates
Speaker 1: his own decision. So whereas Kyla suggested Ceedee Lamb a
Speaker 1: year ago, obviously they went Isaiah Simmons Wolf. But to
Speaker 1: what degree are you listening if you're in the war
Speaker 1: room to your starting quarterback, whether it's Kyler in year
Speaker 1: three or Tom Brady and year thirty. Yeah, that's a
Speaker 1: great question, PAULI. It really is. But you know what,
Speaker 1: guy's input and influence are two different things. Can we
Speaker 1: agree on that input and influence are two different things.
Speaker 1: I don't think Kyler Murray is at a point in
Speaker 1: his development where suddenly you look at him and you
Speaker 1: know what, He's going to influence every guy that you
Speaker 1: bring in to the locker room. I don't think that's
Speaker 1: going to be the case. I will tell you right
Speaker 1: now that it is my philosophical belief. If you've got
Speaker 1: a franchise quarterback in your organization, why wouldn't you go
Speaker 1: and talk to him and get his inputs on a
Speaker 1: lot of moves you might make. Why wouldn't you do
Speaker 1: that if you knew this is the guy we're going
Speaker 1: to build our team around for the next ten or
Speaker 1: twelve years, why wouldn't you go get that kind of
Speaker 1: input and influence. But if you've got a young, developing quarterback,
Speaker 1: and that's what Kyler Murray still is to me, you're
Speaker 1: gonna get his input, no doubt about that. But I
Speaker 1: don't know just how much he's really going to influence.
Speaker 1: Steve Kim in the Arizona Cardinal Scouting Department, and you
Speaker 1: know what, they might have already listened to him. I mean,
Speaker 1: think about a dave. He started this offseason being somewhat
Speaker 1: vocal about offensive line, did he not? And maybe he
Speaker 1: was in a passive aggressive way via social media. But
Speaker 1: they went out and they made the move for Rodney Hudson,
Speaker 1: They made the trade Brian Winners, they acquired Calvin Beecham
Speaker 1: back on board. Who knows what they do in round one.
Speaker 1: But yeah, Kyler Murray hasn't hesitated off for his opinion
Speaker 1: on roster construction. I think guys that he may help
Speaker 1: make a decision indirectly, and that's it. I don't think
Speaker 1: he's walking into Steve Kim's office and saying, draft this
Speaker 1: guy and Steve said, okay, yeah, right, idea. I mean
Speaker 1: the guys that Kyler wants to get, I guarantee the
Speaker 1: same type of players as Steve Kim has thought about.
Speaker 1: When I say he's helped indirectly, I mean your job
Speaker 1: is to get weapons around him. Your job is to
Speaker 1: help your franchise quarterback succeed by protecting him and getting
Speaker 1: talent around him. So I just have a hard time
Speaker 1: seeing him walking into the war room and all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, everybody just stopping. What they're doing to hear
Speaker 1: what Kyler has to say about who he wants on
Speaker 1: the team. Speaking to the war room gentlemen, Steve Kim
Speaker 1: was asked when he met the media, so what is
Speaker 1: the potential you stay at sixteen? And then what's the
Speaker 1: potential you get aggressive and move up or perhaps move back?
Speaker 1: Since you have six picks in this draft, You're Steve
Speaker 1: Kin with six picks and where we're sitting, I think
Speaker 1: you would be more likely to trade back than to
Speaker 1: trade up. So that's one thing. And then you know,
Speaker 1: as far as trading back and accumulating more picks, it's
Speaker 1: no different than a lottery ticket. The more you have,
Speaker 1: the better you have a chance to hit. We know
Speaker 1: it's in an exact business, and to be able to
Speaker 1: accumulate more picks would be a real coup for us.
Speaker 1: Do you buy that, Dave? Are they more likely indeed
Speaker 1: to move back considering the lack of picks in this draft? Course,
Speaker 1: you know Rodney Hudson and DeAndre Hopkins were part of
Speaker 1: that equation. But what do you think? Are you buying
Speaker 1: anything you hear from anyone the Cardinals, Jam included, I
Speaker 1: don't think so, guys, I don't I think there are
Speaker 1: two things here that you're going to look at. You
Speaker 1: you're going to keep an eye on who's around between
Speaker 1: four and nine, and you're looking at to see which
Speaker 1: quarterbacks go And is one of those receivers still there?
Speaker 1: Do you want to move up to get a weapon
Speaker 1: for Kyler or are there some players that are sliding?
Speaker 1: That's why I say you want to keep an eye
Speaker 1: on four through nine. Is Elijah vera Tucker sliding? Is
Speaker 1: he around and you think you can get him at sixteen?
Speaker 1: I think there's some other players that have top ten
Speaker 1: fifteen grades that you're hoping slide to you. But if
Speaker 1: all of a sudden there's a guy that's there that
Speaker 1: you think you can go get that you didn't think
Speaker 1: was going to be there, I think you have to
Speaker 1: seriously consider it. Terms of trading down, I mean it's
Speaker 1: always a risk, right You trade down thinking, okay, we'll
Speaker 1: get an additional pick and we've got our eyes on
Speaker 1: a guy and see you trade down. Then all of
Speaker 1: a sudden that guy's gone. Then what do you do?
Speaker 1: So if you trade down, you better have several guys
Speaker 1: that you're okay with getting, and maybe they do and
Speaker 1: that again comes back to because this draft, guys, is
Speaker 1: the hardest probably to evaluate, because you have so many
Speaker 1: guys that opted out, and you got to find out
Speaker 1: from the guys that opted out why they did. And
Speaker 1: if you're in the Pac twelve with a big ten,
Speaker 1: I mean, how much are you holding that against them?
Speaker 1: Because a lot of them probably wanted to play or
Speaker 1: sign with an agent and then they were told, Okay,
Speaker 1: now you can go back. I mean, it was such
Speaker 1: a strange year on so many levels that yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: maybe there will be several guys that slide, but I
Speaker 1: just see the Cardinals. He's either staying at sixteen are
Speaker 1: actually trying to move up. You know what I love.
Speaker 1: I love this time of year. That's the best thing
Speaker 1: about it, guys, Are you kidding me? Draft supter fuge.
Speaker 1: I don't believe anything that any general manager says at
Speaker 1: this point of the year. And you know what you
Speaker 1: can you can honestly say, guys that why would you
Speaker 1: expect him to tell the truth. He can actually tell
Speaker 1: the truth at this moment in time, and nobody's gonna
Speaker 1: believe him anyways. It's just this beautiful brew of draft
Speaker 1: subterfuge that is going on. Right now. That's it's incredible.
Speaker 1: It's incredible to watch this. Whether the guy is telling
Speaker 1: the truth or not, it really doesn't matter because nobody
Speaker 1: believes him. And what Dave just said is interesting. Either
Speaker 1: the Cardinals stay at number sixteen or they move up
Speaker 1: in his opinion, not move back either way. This is
Speaker 1: deep and wide receivers. He mentioned Kurt Warner. We'll hear
Speaker 1: from Kurt Warner, whos on the Big Red Rage last week.
Speaker 1: We'll talk even next then the Big Red Rage presented
Speaker 1: by Santan Ford in Gilbert. Shotguns napped to kylum Or
Speaker 1: from the pocket deep bass, left side, going for Hopkins
Speaker 1: one end to catch it a touchdown DeAndre Hopkins. Obviously
Speaker 1: you'd love to get another number one with DeAndre, but
Speaker 1: even that complimentary, really strong number two. To go on
Speaker 1: the other side and give you some playmaking would be great.
Speaker 1: Two voices right there. Kurt Warner, obviously the Hall of Famer,
Speaker 1: joined us last week on the Big Red Rage, preceded
Speaker 1: by the Voice of the Arizona Cardinals. Dave Pash was
Speaker 1: with us on this edition, the pre draft edition, all
Speaker 1: brought to you by satan Ford in Gilbert. Paul kelvc
Speaker 1: Ron Wolfley, and the question becomes gentlemen, Arguably the deepest
Speaker 1: position group in this draft is wide receiver. Kurt Warner
Speaker 1: always on board with getting another weapon. Dave, what about you?
Speaker 1: Just your general thoughts. We're gonna hear from Steve Kin momentarily,
Speaker 1: but give me your general thoughts on if the Cardinals
Speaker 1: go receiver number sixteen overall? Well, I mean, if you're
Speaker 1: at number sixteen, the best receivers are probably going to
Speaker 1: be gone. And I include Kyle Pitts in that group,
Speaker 1: even though he's listed as a tight end. He's everything,
Speaker 1: he's anything. So if you're staying at sixteen, you're probably
Speaker 1: talking about kid Darius Tony being the best guy left.
Speaker 1: And again, I'm not sure that the Cardinals are going
Speaker 1: to take him at sixteen. I think the guys that
Speaker 1: are game changers are the guys at the top of
Speaker 1: the board. Jamar Chase, who's obviously going to be gone early.
Speaker 1: It's looking like Cincinnati at five, and then you know
Speaker 1: Jalen Waddle and Davante Smith who goes before whom does
Speaker 1: somebody move up to try to get one of those guys?
Speaker 1: Are one of those guys still there? At nine, ten, eleven. Again,
Speaker 1: that's why I go back to what I said earlier
Speaker 1: about kind of you're just keeping an eye on what
Speaker 1: happens four through nine, because if one of those guys
Speaker 1: slip and you think he can go get him and
Speaker 1: you don't have to give up, and you're gonna to
Speaker 1: give up something, but you don't have to completely mortgage
Speaker 1: your future. Those guys, to me, are the game changers.
Speaker 1: Darius Tony I think has a chance to be a
Speaker 1: really good player, and to me, he's the best of
Speaker 1: the guys that are after the Big three. But I
Speaker 1: think there are other players that are going to be
Speaker 1: there in my mind, that are are going to be
Speaker 1: more of value picks for you than taking Tony at sixteen. Well,
Speaker 1: before you get your thoughts, here's the GM Steve Kime
Speaker 1: this week on the receiver class twenty twenty one. I
Speaker 1: think it's a really deep receiver class, and they all
Speaker 1: have different traits, especially those guys at the top. They're
Speaker 1: all different sizes, they have different skill sets, whether they
Speaker 1: can play X or Z or you know, do some
Speaker 1: things for you in the return game. A couple of
Speaker 1: those guys have that skill set. To me, I think
Speaker 1: there's probably going to be five or six guys that
Speaker 1: could potentially go in the first round. What do you think, Well,
Speaker 1: you know, it's interesting because there's a lot of guys
Speaker 1: that have Jaln Waddle on their big board right around
Speaker 1: number twelve, number fourteen, some have him number sixteen. As
Speaker 1: a matter of fact, I've seen him as low as
Speaker 1: number eighteen. Is it a possibility that somehow, some way
Speaker 1: Jaalen Waddle might actually fall to number sixteen. I don't know.
Speaker 1: But if he does fall to number sixteen, I say
Speaker 1: run to the podium and draft him. And I despise
Speaker 1: myself for actually saying that, because yeah, right at sixteen. Okay, yes,
Speaker 1: but you know what, David, once again, I think we're
Speaker 1: in for some surprises. I do. I think we're gonna
Speaker 1: be in for some surprises here in the first round,
Speaker 1: especially in the first fifteen. We'll see what happens. We'll
Speaker 1: see who's moving up and who's dropping out of the
Speaker 1: top fifteen. We'll we'll see. But to me, I think
Speaker 1: there's gonna be an awful lot of surprises. And the
Speaker 1: reason being is because this is a tape tape tape
Speaker 1: heavy draft and we've never seen a tape heavy draft.
Speaker 1: You know, for three months, gentlemen, I've been the outlier
Speaker 1: on the sole receiver thing. I've said repeatedly, just say
Speaker 1: no to a first round wide receiver. It's too risky.
Speaker 1: All you have to do is look at the last
Speaker 1: five or six or seven drafts. And then finally ESPN
Speaker 1: came up with a stat that verified my gut feeling
Speaker 1: and what the research I've had done, and among all
Speaker 1: NFL positions, the hit rate for a first round wide
Speaker 1: receiver is the worst of any NFL position at only
Speaker 1: twenty seven percent hit rate being the players that get
Speaker 1: a second contract from the team that drafted them. And
Speaker 1: Dave Polly, do you know what the duration is on that?
Speaker 1: Do you know how long that is? That's the question
Speaker 1: I would ask you, is that the last forty years?
Speaker 1: What are you talking about? Specifically? Do you know the
Speaker 1: only thing I heard anyone speculate on is it since
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety for some reason? Okay, that the hit rate
Speaker 1: for the receiver position is the worst. See the one
Speaker 1: thing I would say about that is Polly only because
Speaker 1: during the nineteen nineties and the early two thousands, of course,
Speaker 1: there were a ton of read routes, right, It was
Speaker 1: so difficult for a wide receiver to come into the
Speaker 1: National Football League playing college football. Now, all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: you've got to read a lot of routes. Your route
Speaker 1: is going to change based on the coverage that the
Speaker 1: defense is going to play, and you and the quarterback
Speaker 1: had to be on the same page for the most part.
Speaker 1: So it was really difficult for a wide receiver to
Speaker 1: come in mentally with all the hots, all the checks
Speaker 1: and run the right route. Where I think now we've
Speaker 1: seen the influence of college football, of course at the
Speaker 1: NFL level, and I think it's easier to make that
Speaker 1: transition over the last three or four years. Yet you're
Speaker 1: telling me over the last three or four years there's
Speaker 1: still a big miss rate on wide receivers, correct, I mean,
Speaker 1: whether it's John Ross or Henry Ruggs or nikkil Harry.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's just been a lot of misses. You're
Speaker 1: gonna call Henry Ruggs a miss yet, I mean he's
Speaker 1: played one year. Well, you have a pair of second
Speaker 1: round picks in Andy Isabella and Christian Kirk Dave. Does
Speaker 1: that matter at all in this equation? You just put
Speaker 1: a picked up AJ Green. What do you think the
Speaker 1: urgency is by the Cardinals or should it be to
Speaker 1: go receiver in the first or second round. I think
Speaker 1: it's high if there's a guy that you absolutely love
Speaker 1: that you want to go get. Again, I don't believe
Speaker 1: that the big three are going to be there. I
Speaker 1: think that there's no way either I Chase is going
Speaker 1: to probably go first, but Waddle or Smith, I don't
Speaker 1: think those guys are around after pick eleven. So you'd
Speaker 1: have to move up to get one of those guys.
Speaker 1: And that's why I said if if you don't do that,
Speaker 1: you're not taking one at sixteens. I think there are
Speaker 1: other players are going to be more valuable. But to
Speaker 1: Wolf's point, you know, you probably could look at the
Speaker 1: hit rate on quarterbacks in the first round. It's probably
Speaker 1: pretty similar. You know most you know, half of these
Speaker 1: guys aren't going to make it. You know, the five
Speaker 1: guys that are going to go in the first However,
Speaker 1: many picks of this draft first, you know, twenty picks
Speaker 1: at quarterback, you're probably going to have two that hit
Speaker 1: and three that miss, and it may end up being
Speaker 1: the ones you least expect. Everybody assumes Trevor Lawrence is
Speaker 1: a home run, but we don't know. I just feel
Speaker 1: like there are certain positions that are always safer than others,
Speaker 1: and I think wide receiver next to quarterback is the
Speaker 1: least safe. But that doesn't deter me from going up
Speaker 1: to get a player like Jalen Waddle or Davante Smith,
Speaker 1: because I think both those guys are phenomenal talents. I mean,
Speaker 1: the only thing that's going to keep those guys from
Speaker 1: succeeding because they're so gifted is injury. But you could
Speaker 1: say that about anybody. What I love about Jaylen Waddle
Speaker 1: is he impacts the defense when he doesn't have the
Speaker 1: ball because of his speed. That is something that Henry
Speaker 1: Rugs the third has done as well. When you look
Speaker 1: at the Raiders, go back and look at their tape.
Speaker 1: You know what. He didn't get the ball a lot,
Speaker 1: no doubt about it, and I think he's got to
Speaker 1: get better there. But you had Derek Card through for
Speaker 1: over forty one hundred yards and at a quarterback rating
Speaker 1: of one hundred and one point four, and a lot
Speaker 1: of that's got to do with the fact you had
Speaker 1: a guy out there that was just a burner. That
Speaker 1: changed a lot of secondaries and a lot of coverage,
Speaker 1: and I think jaylen Waddle would do the same thing.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying it seems so risky, and the historical
Speaker 1: numbers on the receiver position back it up. It's just,
Speaker 1: you know, if you want that sort of risk, go
Speaker 1: trade bitcoin. As someone joked, you know, just to me,
Speaker 1: I'd rather go offensive line, which has the best hit
Speaker 1: rate than receiver, at least in round one. That's me.
Speaker 1: We'll talk a corner next. That is Dave pass our
Speaker 1: guest on the big red rage, dick split to the left,
Speaker 1: atched up on Pat p Allen, back to thrown looking
Speaker 1: for Dickon's that steps up, throws deep middle, picked off
Speaker 1: Peters and got that one. In this day and age,
Speaker 1: you want to have that shut down corner, and if
Speaker 1: Patrick gave you that for so long, you'd love to
Speaker 1: be able to replace that if you can find one
Speaker 1: of those guys. I know you have Byron already a
Speaker 1: young guy there, but you'd like to find a shutdown
Speaker 1: corner if you can. It's the one need I think
Speaker 1: the Cardinals still have. There are needs and there are
Speaker 1: wants going into every NFL draft. Steve Kime and the
Speaker 1: Cardinal's front office has done a heck of a job
Speaker 1: trying to live ate those urgent, dire needs. And you
Speaker 1: don't want it to be a tell and be so
Speaker 1: obvious going into any draft. And would that being the
Speaker 1: case at least to me. Paul Calves here, Ron Wolfley,
Speaker 1: Special guest Dave Pash. It is our predraft edition of
Speaker 1: the Big Red Rage, presented by Santan Ford and Gilbert. Well,
Speaker 1: if you can agree or disagree, if you look at
Speaker 1: all the position groups, there's one that stands out. You
Speaker 1: still need another corner opposite Malcolm Butler because to me,
Speaker 1: you can't count on Robert Alfred, you just can. He
Speaker 1: hasn't had a healthy season since twenty seventeen. Yeah, you're
Speaker 1: right about that, Polly, there's no doubt. I think cornerback
Speaker 1: is the number one need for the Arizona Cardinals coming
Speaker 1: into this draft. And again the whole need conversation. Listen,
Speaker 1: you've got tiers basically, and you're sitting there. Let's say
Speaker 1: hypothetically the Cardinals they sit at number sixteen, right there,
Speaker 1: there's going to be a corner on that tier. Maybe
Speaker 1: there's gonna be a wide receiver on that tier. There's
Speaker 1: gonna be an offensive lineman on that tier. I think
Speaker 1: that's when you're going to start looking for. Okay, what
Speaker 1: is an area of need that we have. We all
Speaker 1: know you're not going to draft a quarterback. We all
Speaker 1: know that, right because it's not obviously not an area
Speaker 1: of need for the Arizona Cardinals. So to me, I'm
Speaker 1: looking at corner I think that is their primary need,
Speaker 1: and I think there's a possibility that Caleb Farley might
Speaker 1: actually be there at sixteen and day before you go,
Speaker 1: here's the GM Steve kyme, when he was asked about
Speaker 1: the cornerback position in this year's draft, it's a deep
Speaker 1: corner draft. Pick your poison. You know, these guys are
Speaker 1: all a little different. There are guys that can play
Speaker 1: inside and outside in this draft, some guys that can
Speaker 1: only play outside with their length and their movement skills.
Speaker 1: So I really feel good about about that position. It's amazing, Dave.
Speaker 1: When you named all the top receivers, they're all from
Speaker 1: the SEC, and you could add Terrence Marshall, Elijah Moore.
Speaker 1: I mean, the top six arguably are all from the SEC. Well,
Speaker 1: the two top corners are from the SEC. So if
Speaker 1: you want to get a real gauge. And if these
Speaker 1: guys can play, they obviously want to go up against
Speaker 1: some fierce competition. And Patrick Curtin and JC Horn. So
Speaker 1: I got two things here, guys, gaus listen to your conversation.
Speaker 1: First of all, we need to know what do the
Speaker 1: Cardinals think of Byron Murphy. Do they view him as
Speaker 1: still a potential number one quarterback where they drafted him,
Speaker 1: you would think that, I mean, they were expecting him
Speaker 1: eventually to emerge as a number one shut down corner.
Speaker 1: He hasn't yet, But do they think that he can?
Speaker 1: And if they do, then maybe they don't go in
Speaker 1: that direction, or if they go in that direction, they
Speaker 1: do it later in the draft. I look at corner
Speaker 1: in this draft the way I look at receiver. If
Speaker 1: Patrick Curtin and JC Horne are still around ten eleven
Speaker 1: somewhere in there, do I look to try to move
Speaker 1: up because I don't think either guy's going to be
Speaker 1: there at sixteen. And if both guys are gone, just
Speaker 1: like if those other three guys are gone, at wide receiver,
Speaker 1: I'm going to a different position. I'm not touching Caleb Farley.
Speaker 1: I'm not touching him. There's too many injury questions. I
Speaker 1: think he's gonna slip and the other players Greg Newsome,
Speaker 1: Asante Samuel, I think you can get those guys a
Speaker 1: little bit later. So I'm going elsewhere. Maybe even at
Speaker 1: that point you go best player and you say you
Speaker 1: know what you know, because I still think guys. Am
Speaker 1: I wrong at that Outside of quarterback, you could say
Speaker 1: that there's a need everywhere, and I'm talking about a
Speaker 1: team that was on the cusp of the playoffs. Sure
Speaker 1: you have a need an inside linebacker. Still, you've a
Speaker 1: needed outside linebacker. You haven't need a safety. You have
Speaker 1: Buddha Baker, but there's somebody else that you need eventually
Speaker 1: to pair with him. You have Isaiah Simmons, who you're
Speaker 1: high on, but at some point you need to have
Speaker 1: another player to pair an inside linebacker that you think
Speaker 1: can be a game changer. So I'm looking at everything,
Speaker 1: but for again, if those guys are gone, for me,
Speaker 1: I just I'm not touching Farley at sixteen. The only
Speaker 1: thing I would say to you, David is there are
Speaker 1: needs and then there are needs, all right, you know,
Speaker 1: And that I think is what we're talking about right here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: You've got needs everywhere for the most part, I think
Speaker 1: Steve Kim has done a great job going out and
Speaker 1: addressing those needs in free agency. That's what free agency
Speaker 1: I think he's using it for is going into the draft.
Speaker 1: You don't have this need that suddenly makes you draft
Speaker 1: somebody or reach for somebody when you shouldn't be doing that.
Speaker 1: So I think he wants to cover all his bases
Speaker 1: going into the draft. I think he's done a good
Speaker 1: job of that. Frankly, that's just me I do and
Speaker 1: that's why I started this conversation. Corner is the only
Speaker 1: area where it looks like there's an obvious need, and Wolf,
Speaker 1: could I put it this way, there are needs starting
Speaker 1: next year. Today's point. You know at pass rusher Chandler
Speaker 1: Jones in the last year of his deal. You know
Speaker 1: Marcus Golden and JJ Watt thirty plus years of age.
Speaker 1: Inside linebacker Jordan Hicks in the last year of his contract.
Speaker 1: We get it offensive line to one year deals in there, guys.
Speaker 1: Deals are expiring, Okay, but then there are needs this year,
Speaker 1: and that one need, at least to me, is corner.
Speaker 1: And I'm with you, Dave. I think the underreported speculation,
Speaker 1: if you will, is if that guy is on the
Speaker 1: board at eight or nine, if Sir tanner Horn is
Speaker 1: on the board eight to nine, and most figure they
Speaker 1: will be after the run on quarterbacks. If you want
Speaker 1: to get in front of Dallas at number ten, there
Speaker 1: might be a trade coming. Or if Dallas goes corner
Speaker 1: and there's one leftover at number eleven, I could see
Speaker 1: that Dave going after because I agree with you. If
Speaker 1: you're at sixteen, those two guys are gone yet that point,
Speaker 1: you trade down and still can get that next tier
Speaker 1: down cornerback. And then I think the other thing is
Speaker 1: interesting because I'm with you, Paulia. I think you're going
Speaker 1: to have probably one defensive player going to top ten,
Speaker 1: and it might be at number ten. So do you
Speaker 1: look at the teams in front of you and say, okay,
Speaker 1: do they need a corner No, let's go get one
Speaker 1: of those guys. Or do you say, you know what,
Speaker 1: Micah Parsons is still there, he might drop. Don't sleep
Speaker 1: on Zaven Collins. Yes. Also, I think that the Cardinals
Speaker 1: have a need to me an inside linebacker. Jordan Hicks
Speaker 1: to me is not the guy, and you drafted Isaiah Simmons.
Speaker 1: But you know at some point again, your middle of
Speaker 1: your defense has to be. You could look and say, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's receivers outside, but I mean, guy, you need linebackers
Speaker 1: that can cover. You need linebackers that can tackle, You
Speaker 1: need linebackers that can rush the passer. Isaiah Simmons, is
Speaker 1: that Zaven Collins is at Michael Parsons is a freak Again,
Speaker 1: I dont think you'll be gone, But hey, Zaven Collins
Speaker 1: at six five, two hundred sixty pounds, I mean, is
Speaker 1: he really a Mike linebacker at two six six five, Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: but he if he didn't play at Tulsa, the guy
Speaker 1: probably goes at siven or eight. Well, okay, so there's
Speaker 1: a guy that you could trade back, Paulie, you could
Speaker 1: trade back Collects. I wouldn't mess around. I wouldn't do it.
Speaker 1: If he's there, I think I'm looking seriously at taking him.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't take the risk of trading back. And all
Speaker 1: of a sudden he's gone. A lot of people think
Speaker 1: that twenty five to thirty was where he was originally
Speaker 1: going to go, but he is climbing up draft boards.
Speaker 1: If you read the latest stuff, and if it's a
Speaker 1: copycat league and we know it is, look what Tampa
Speaker 1: just did. They just wrote Devin White and Lavonte David
Speaker 1: and we know back in the days Luke Keikley and
Speaker 1: Thomas Davis. Fred Warner is in your division. Bobby Wagner's
Speaker 1: in your division. I could see it. You know, we'll
Speaker 1: see if that guy is there, that might be the
Speaker 1: position that we're not talking about. We continue with our
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Speaker 1: we go, Isaiah, this is coach Kingsman. Congratulations, you're a
Speaker 1: hell of a player and we're looking forward to putting
Speaker 1: you on the field right away. We're gonna make I
Speaker 1: was amazed that Isaiah Simmons got passed. Caroline too. My
Speaker 1: dreams were becoming a reality. Do you watch him cover
Speaker 1: ground on a football foot, you watch him tackle, you
Speaker 1: watch them pick up balls? Its skill set is out
Speaker 1: of this world. I'm gonna take a shot on the Cardinals.
Speaker 1: I just like it. Talent on talent and a lot
Speaker 1: of attitude come in in the season. There we go.
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Speaker 1: Thursday night. Paul calvic Ron, Wolfley and the Voice of
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Speaker 1: presented by Santan Ford in Gilbert, So, gentlemen, there was
Speaker 1: a Bucky Brooks mock draft that came out and I
Speaker 1: respected NFL draft analysts NFL dot Com, and at number
Speaker 1: sixteen he had the Cardinals going running back and Najie Harris. Now, Dave,
Speaker 1: you've called several of his games at Alabama. Your thoughts
Speaker 1: when you saw that. I don't think the Cardinals would
Speaker 1: take him at sixteen. I think he's I think he's
Speaker 1: going to be a really good NFL player. To me,
Speaker 1: that's a little high to take a running back, especially
Speaker 1: because I think there are other needs of the Cardinals
Speaker 1: have guys I like Chase Edmonds, I do, and I
Speaker 1: think James Conner gives them exactly what they needed, someone
Speaker 1: who compliments him. And I'm not sure about some of
Speaker 1: the younger running backs. We didn't get to see them
Speaker 1: last year because we didn't have a training camp, we
Speaker 1: didn't have preseason games. Who knows about some of these
Speaker 1: young guys. I've always felt like, and Chase Edmonds was
Speaker 1: a mid round pick, right, You can find guys at
Speaker 1: that position unless they're home run. I mean, Todd Gurley
Speaker 1: was a top ten pick and he was a home
Speaker 1: run for a while. And you know, now he's older
Speaker 1: and he's had injuries and he's on the downside. But
Speaker 1: when I'm looking at number sixteen, I want a player
Speaker 1: that I think is going to be there for ten years,
Speaker 1: twelve years, and running backs just don't last that long.
Speaker 1: And I think that's why I'm not taking Naji Harris
Speaker 1: at sixteen. Yeah, the problem with Todd Gurley was giving
Speaker 1: him the massive second contract and then a year later
Speaker 1: they had to pull the plug, and yeah, that was
Speaker 1: a disaster for the Rams. And given the second contract.
Speaker 1: It's interesting, well, because you remember we had Rashad Johnson
Speaker 1: recently on the big Red rage here and he is
Speaker 1: the former Cardinals safety who is now part of the
Speaker 1: broadcast team and a radio analyst for BAMA. So he
Speaker 1: has a lot of insight into Naji Harris. And here
Speaker 1: was his comparison with Derreck Henry. Nagie Harris has the
Speaker 1: power that Derrick Henry has in a different form. Derek
Speaker 1: Long speech faster, I think than Naji, but I think
Speaker 1: short area quickness in terms of making defenders miss. Naji's
Speaker 1: very special at that man tremendous spin move and I
Speaker 1: actually think he's a better route runner in one on
Speaker 1: one matchup out of the backfield. So I mean, if
Speaker 1: you want a guy that you know thirteen personnel bruise
Speaker 1: you and can do that, you know there's gonna weigh
Speaker 1: on you in four quarters. But now he's a guy
Speaker 1: that's gonna weigh on you in four quarters in a
Speaker 1: different way because he can wear you out in the
Speaker 1: run games but also on third down. I mean, he's
Speaker 1: tremendous out of the backfield. When you talk about Naji Harris, guys,
Speaker 1: you have to talk about who else could possibly be
Speaker 1: there at sixteen? Right? Who else could be there at sixteen?
Speaker 1: I honestly I'm gonna draft a running back in the
Speaker 1: first round if he's Earl Campbell. Okay, that and that
Speaker 1: is going to be my standard. I'm gonna draft him
Speaker 1: in the first round if I think he's an absolute freak.
Speaker 1: Do you think Naji Harris is that? Would you call
Speaker 1: him that now? Because somebody he's close though, you know, Paul,
Speaker 1: I mean he he's really really close. He's a man
Speaker 1: who's six one, two hundred and thirty two pounds with
Speaker 1: great athleticism and a guy that will truck you from
Speaker 1: time to time. A guy that is very underrated in
Speaker 1: terms of being able to catch the ball and come
Speaker 1: out of the backfield. A guy that is a true
Speaker 1: run down running back first and ten second and one
Speaker 1: to six. When you think about the goals Steve Kim
Speaker 1: said he had this offseason, what were they, guys? You know,
Speaker 1: Number one, get more physical. Number two leadership, which is
Speaker 1: culture to me in that locker room, bring that in.
Speaker 1: Those were his two goals right there. I think Naji
Speaker 1: Harris checks both of those boxes. But where did he
Speaker 1: get picked? Right here? Excuse me? Where did Derrick Henry
Speaker 1: get picked second round? Exactly? So that's another reason why
Speaker 1: I agree that Naji Harris all those things he just said. Wolf. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I agree with Rashant, but I'm just not taking up
Speaker 1: at sixteen. You know what, guys, that would be like,
Speaker 1: oh man, sixteen, that's a little height. It t yes,
Speaker 1: because I love what it says about the direction of
Speaker 1: this offense going forward. We're gonna blend the old and
Speaker 1: the new and become more physical. I would love that.
Speaker 1: I get it. James Connor's on a one year deal,
Speaker 1: but he's only twenty six and he is that big back,
Speaker 1: and I'm with Dave Chase Edmonds intrigue. Now, the one
Speaker 1: game they gave him twenty plus carries a year ago
Speaker 1: against the Dolphins didn't go so well. He average less
Speaker 1: than three yards of carry, so I'm not sure he's
Speaker 1: in every down back Chase Edmonds. But I do like
Speaker 1: the pairing of the James Connor and Chase Edmonds. We'll
Speaker 1: see it's too high for me in round one, but
Speaker 1: you know what, everybody gets a pick when we come back.
Speaker 1: Perdiction time at the big Red Range presented by Santan
Speaker 1: four in Gilbert. I don't know where Jimmy g was
Speaker 1: throwing that fall. I don't know either, I can't guarantee
Speaker 1: that anybody in the world will be alive Sunday, so
Speaker 1: I can't guarantee who will be on our roster on Sunday.
Speaker 1: So that goes for all of us. Smoke him if
Speaker 1: you got him, says Kyle Shanahan. Apparently there's a chance
Speaker 1: we might all be wiped out like the dinosaurs by Sunday.
Speaker 1: So there you go. That was his way of deflecting
Speaker 1: the question, right there, Well done, Kyle. Okay, there you go.
Speaker 1: So we're officially ready for the NFL Draft, are we not.
Speaker 1: I think that was the last hurdle right there. It's
Speaker 1: become silly season time. And here on the Big Red Rage,
Speaker 1: presented by Santan Ford and Gilbert Yours truly, Paul kelvc
Speaker 1: ron Wilfully, the voice of the Cardinals Day Pash our
Speaker 1: special guest around the horn, we go. Dave is our guest.
Speaker 1: You can go first. We need a prediction. Where do
Speaker 1: you think the Cardinals going round one, number sixteen overall?
Speaker 1: Maybe they trade down, maybe they trade up. But we
Speaker 1: want a draft position and a name. So if you
Speaker 1: stay at sixteen and you don't move up or move down,
Speaker 1: I think all the players that you really covet are
Speaker 1: going to be gone. But I do think it's possible
Speaker 1: one of two players, one offense and one defense that
Speaker 1: a lot of teams and I'm assuming the Cardinals have
Speaker 1: these guys rated high as well, are going to drop.
Speaker 1: One is Elijah Vera Tucker from USC, an offensive lineman
Speaker 1: who can play four positions, and the Cardinals need an
Speaker 1: offensive lineman who can come start right away. The other
Speaker 1: guy is Zaven Collins from Tulsa, who is an absolute
Speaker 1: freak who because he went to Tulsa, nobody's talking about,
Speaker 1: but he was the player of the year defensively in
Speaker 1: college football ahead of all those guys are in the
Speaker 1: SEC that we talked about, and I think a lot
Speaker 1: of teams have a very high grade on him and
Speaker 1: they're hoping that he slides. I wouldn't take a chance
Speaker 1: if one of those two guys are there, I don't
Speaker 1: trade down. I take Fia Tucker or I take Zaven Collins,
Speaker 1: and I think that's what the Cardinals are going to do. Rob, Well,
Speaker 1: you aren't killing me, David. I'm gonna just showed men
Speaker 1: trade here, our producer. I just showed him number sixteen.
Speaker 1: Elijah Vera Tucker. That's who I would take if he
Speaker 1: is there at number sixteen, and I think there's a
Speaker 1: real possibility he's gonna be there at number sixteen. If
Speaker 1: I'm gonna trade down, I'm gonna trade down to twenty one,
Speaker 1: twenty three, somewhere in that range. And I would draft
Speaker 1: Zaven Collins. I know that he's climbing draft boards, but
Speaker 1: I would I would take a runner on him and
Speaker 1: hope that we got our third and fourth round pick back. Well,
Speaker 1: there's no way both are you all right? So I'm
Speaker 1: not going Elijah Vera Tucker. I think that Micah Parsons,
Speaker 1: because of the character concerns, will slide, and I agree
Speaker 1: with you, Dave. I think the two corners are gonna
Speaker 1: be gone. All three receivers are gonna be gone. It's
Speaker 1: gonna be tempting to trade down, get a pick and
Speaker 1: then also take the next level cornerback, whether it's Newsome,
Speaker 1: whether it's a Sante Samuel Junior, maybe Kay Barley and
Speaker 1: hope for the best. Although this injury record just terrifies me.
Speaker 1: But I think Micah Parsons slides and the Cardinals get
Speaker 1: their inside linebacker pairing Isaiah Simmons and Parsons for the
Speaker 1: next near decade. That's my thought on that one, and
Speaker 1: we'll see as the Cardinals try and match wits in
Speaker 1: the NFC West. Otherwise, as I said earlier, guys, maybe
Speaker 1: they do trade up. It's the one thing we haven't
Speaker 1: heard about, and a lot of times is what we
Speaker 1: haven't heard that ends up being the obvious move and
Speaker 1: going up and maybe making a deal in that regard
Speaker 1: for the corner that they need so desperately to replaced.
Speaker 1: Patrick Peterson. Be so awesome to see Zavian Collins and
Speaker 1: Isaiah Simmons on the field at the same time. I'm
Speaker 1: good with that. Would you be all right with that, David?
Speaker 1: I'm good that. A special thanks, Dave, thank you for
Speaker 1: the time. We appreciate it. I'll see you Thursday night
Speaker 1: for our draft coverage. Ron Wolf, Paul Calve you see.
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