Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.
Speaker 2: What's up, everybody? Welcome to move the sticks, DJ, Bucky
Speaker 2: and look who it is. It's our good friend Rhett
Speaker 2: who's joined the show. America is back.
Speaker 3: Let's go, let's go still ride in the high July
Speaker 3: fourth baby.
Speaker 2: Yeah, how long after? How long? By the way, today
Speaker 2: we're going to hit on the Manning camp where Brett
Speaker 2: was And we do this every year. But how long
Speaker 2: after you got back from Thibodau before you stop sweating? Now?
Speaker 1: Right into the right, right into the fourth of July picnic,
Speaker 1: still with a nice glisten Yeah, just just glistening.
Speaker 2: You do a way do you weigh in way out
Speaker 2: and out of that camp.
Speaker 3: Years?
Speaker 1: But I love that heat, like I I like.
Speaker 3: It's like a warm embrace for activity.
Speaker 2: I like, I like I like sweat that like I
Speaker 2: like working out. Yeah, Buck, there's no way around every
Speaker 2: day just like walking around you don't nobody enjoys that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just.
Speaker 4: Such a it's just such a hard just a horrid deal.
Speaker 4: It's hot, it's muggy, the bugs come on.
Speaker 1: You need that humidity, but you need a little bit
Speaker 1: of that rather that than like that that drive Phoenix
Speaker 1: heat at hundred and ten.
Speaker 2: Guess what we don't We don't live in Phoenix.
Speaker 4: We paid a California tax.
Speaker 2: Well, we get to California right now. We California. Whether
Speaker 2: over eighty.
Speaker 1: I'm like, whoa, whoa, WHOA.
Speaker 2: Didn't sign up for this. I signed it for seventy
Speaker 2: eight's that's true. That's true for those who don't know,
Speaker 2: like golf heat by the way, like the golf humidity.
Speaker 2: Like here, I'll give you the two the two adjustments
Speaker 2: I had to make as a kid whorew up in
Speaker 2: San Diego going to going to college in Monroe, Louisiana
Speaker 2: for for two years or year and a half. The
Speaker 2: first the first one was this I remember that, well,
Speaker 2: there's three. First of all, it was like, why are
Speaker 2: we practicing at seven o'clock in the morning? At seven
Speaker 2: o'clock at night? What are we doing? Do you want that?
Speaker 2: That was the first thing. The second thing was we'd
Speaker 2: be walking out towards practice and there was just all
Speaker 2: these aerosol cans like just lined up, and I just
Speaker 2: remember thinking, like, I guess like sunscreen or something like
Speaker 2: you know, I put some sunscreen onto my dorm. I'm fine.
Speaker 2: And then and then I came back in. I'm like, hey,
Speaker 2: why does look like I have chicken pox. They're like, yeah,
Speaker 2: the mosquitos, you dummy, that's what the freaking space were
Speaker 2: on the way out to practice. So that was my
Speaker 2: second thing. And then the third thing, and Buck, I
Speaker 2: know you you'll this is same. I'm sure it's same
Speaker 2: in Carolinas. But like I remember parking. We were going
Speaker 2: to like a store, like a clothing store or something,
Speaker 2: with like four or five of us, and we parked
Speaker 2: and we're, you know, I don't know, maybe seventy five
Speaker 2: hundred feet from the store, and it just started to sprinkle,
Speaker 2: like just the tiniest sprinkle, and these guys like freaking
Speaker 2: Carl Lewis who say bolt like they take off sprinting
Speaker 2: for the store, and I'm like, guys, it's a little
Speaker 2: doh my gosh, it just went. I am just I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 2: that was my So those are my three adjustments.
Speaker 1: We had one of those, by the way, we got
Speaker 1: rained out. One practice got rained out. It was the
Speaker 1: day two, afternoon, number two practice of the day, which
Speaker 1: was actually.
Speaker 3: Kind of nice. It was kind of nice.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we got all.
Speaker 3: The workouts in for the college quarterbacks that were there, which.
Speaker 2: Is alright, well, this is gonna get us to this
Speaker 2: show today and I'll start us off. It is time
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Speaker 2: handled that part of it. Rhett. For those that don't know,
Speaker 2: just give the thirty thousand foot view of what this
Speaker 2: camp is and how it's growing over the years.
Speaker 1: YEP started nineteen ninety six two Lane University. I was
Speaker 1: in eighth grade and went to the camp as a camper,
Speaker 1: kept going back all the way through my senior year.
Speaker 1: I was invited to come back, you know by Archie
Speaker 1: in the in the staff when I was playing in
Speaker 1: Indiana and have been coming back on staff ever since.
Speaker 1: This was the twenty ninth year of the camp. I've
Speaker 1: now been to twenty seven of the twenty nine, so
Speaker 1: missed two of them. And it was actually DJ where
Speaker 1: we first met in person, was down at the Manning camp.
Speaker 1: When you refuse to let your entire team get equal
Speaker 1: playing times when they in the game, no we did not.
Speaker 3: So it's about.
Speaker 2: I'd like to play quarterback? Yeah, yeah, so what I mean,
Speaker 2: but you're.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this guy's playing, right, Yeah, so you were you
Speaker 1: were the reason that that Archie was getting all the
Speaker 1: calls from the parents and like.
Speaker 3: My kid didn't play.
Speaker 2: Yeah, get all this money for this camp. Well that's
Speaker 2: what the individual drills are for, right.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, And so fifteen hundred campers this time, biggest
Speaker 1: camp yet had I think it was. The final number
Speaker 1: was forty eight college quarterbacks on staff and then about
Speaker 1: another hundred or so additional staffers, high school coaches from
Speaker 1: around the country. A bunch of NFL guys ended up
Speaker 1: showing up just to sometimes their kids are campers and
Speaker 1: they kind of hang around a little bit, which is
Speaker 1: always always really fun to see. What The distinguished guest
Speaker 1: of this camp though, was John Gruden, who was just
Speaker 1: an absolute firecracker of of just passion for ball in
Speaker 1: you know, ninety five degree heat and hundred percent humidity
Speaker 1: down in Thibodeau.
Speaker 3: So that was cool.
Speaker 1: It's four days, two full days, two half days of
Speaker 1: just NonStop ball man, and it's it's a chance for
Speaker 1: you to pour into the kids, but to also receive
Speaker 1: a lot of value to you know, as a staff member,
Speaker 1: as a high school coach.
Speaker 3: Is a college quarterback. It's really full service.
Speaker 4: I got to ask you, Ritt, how, yeah, do the
Speaker 4: participants to counselors, how much do they revere having the
Speaker 4: mannings available?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 4: How how much are they hanging on every word when
Speaker 4: those guys get in front of room, Payton and Elick.
Speaker 1: Well looking, you guys know this because it's it ends
Speaker 1: up being a question to a handful of guys that
Speaker 1: end up coming through our doors in the draft process
Speaker 1: because and you always get just a little bit of
Speaker 1: a different answer, like somebody takes a little bit something,
Speaker 1: you know, a little something different from each each time
Speaker 1: that they get to interact with Eli and Peyton and
Speaker 1: with Cooper and with Archie and with everybody that's down there.
Speaker 1: I think, uh, just understanding, like your coaches tell you,
Speaker 1: and you have a sense of.
Speaker 3: What you need to do right to be the.
Speaker 1: Best, but to hear it from the best, to hear
Speaker 1: exactly what their process was, I think it resonates just
Speaker 1: a little bit differently, right when you understand what Peyton
Speaker 1: was doing to prepare, when you understand how Eli, you know,
Speaker 1: managed to be the face of a franchise in New
Speaker 1: York for the entirety of his career and you understand,
Speaker 1: start to understand all that goes into that. I think
Speaker 1: it just sinks in a little bit more. And so
Speaker 1: I would say it is it is revered, like there's
Speaker 1: no zero to ten on it. Like it is it
Speaker 1: is up there, and they definitely take advantage of those opportunities,
Speaker 1: which is really deep.
Speaker 2: It's a good way of explaining all that. So there's
Speaker 2: kind of like the thirty thousand foot view of the
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Speaker 2: at Withsabi dot com. So this is the good stuff
Speaker 2: we're looking forward to. RTT is you get a chance
Speaker 2: to be around these college quarterbacks, which is going to
Speaker 2: be who we're talking about in the spring and in
Speaker 2: the springs to come with the with the NFL Draft
Speaker 2: ahead of us. So I guess give us an idea
Speaker 2: of some of the some of the big time names
Speaker 2: that were there, and then we get in to the takeaways.
Speaker 1: Sure, sure, so you know really excited, you know this
Speaker 1: year to see a bunch of these guys, A couple
Speaker 1: of them. I'm going to see my work for Big
Speaker 1: Ten Network. Mark Ronowski from Iowa. I'm sure I'm going
Speaker 1: to see in the Big Ten Luke Altmeyer from Illinois.
Speaker 1: Illinois's top twenty five team this year playoff aspirations. So
Speaker 1: it was excited to see those two guys selfishly for
Speaker 1: those reasons. And then you had like, you know, the
Speaker 1: guys that could be the top five, six, seven quarterbacks
Speaker 1: in the country this year. John Matteer from Oklahoma, Leonora
Speaker 1: Sellers from South Carolina, kde Klubnick from Clemson, Sam Levitt
Speaker 1: from Arizona State, Gunner Stockton from Georgia, and of course
Speaker 1: the name the namesake, Arch Manning from Texas.
Speaker 2: And so start there by the way I'm start there.
Speaker 2: All right, let's just do it.
Speaker 1: Let's start right there, because I think I mentioned this
Speaker 1: to you guys, or may have been. It was Almo
Speaker 1: with the Insiders last year, right after the camp, and
Speaker 1: I was just blown away by how just grounded.
Speaker 3: Arches despite all that's happening around him.
Speaker 1: How you know, it was important to him to stay
Speaker 1: away from the nil stuff until he got that job,
Speaker 1: until he was going to be the starter, which you know,
Speaker 1: obviously he is going into this season and his joy
Speaker 1: for the game, like his joy and his passion for
Speaker 1: being around ball, for being around teammates, for being around
Speaker 1: his guys. Like you know, I think when you when
Speaker 1: you Weres was there with him last year and they
Speaker 1: were like neck and neck, just always couldn't couldn't separate him.
Speaker 3: And just like guy enjoys the college experience.
Speaker 1: And so when you hear Eli and Payton talk about
Speaker 1: why it was important for him to go.
Speaker 3: To Texas, to stay at Texas.
Speaker 1: Even though he was going to sit for the better
Speaker 1: part of two years, it's because like they wanted him
Speaker 1: to like enjoy going to college at Texas, like that
Speaker 1: was actually a goal that was actually a priority. And
Speaker 1: you can see that man, and it's like, yeah, sure
Speaker 1: the weight of the world might be on his shoulders
Speaker 1: from externally, but like when you're around him, it sure
Speaker 1: doesn't feel like he feels that. So I think he's
Speaker 1: got a great demeanor for being a quarterback.
Speaker 3: Then you get to just watching him and it's like.
Speaker 1: It's just it's just different, man, it is, you know,
Speaker 1: And I know they've done some work he works with
Speaker 1: with David Morris and Quarterback Country. You guys, you know,
Speaker 1: we know very well and they've done some really good
Speaker 1: work with him too, Like his motion is so compact
Speaker 1: and efficient.
Speaker 3: And it just popps.
Speaker 1: So like they've worked a lot, and this is not
Speaker 1: unique to Arts, right, so many of these quarterbacks are
Speaker 1: going to be you know, quote unquote closed off. Right,
Speaker 1: that front foot is kind of closed off, and so
Speaker 1: Arch was leaning at the top of his drop, at
Speaker 1: the top of his release point quite a bit. So man,
Speaker 1: they've really worked on opening that front foot up and
Speaker 1: bringing that rotation through and man, you can see this
Speaker 1: ball is just popping like it is alive off his hand,
Speaker 1: not like it wasn't before.
Speaker 3: But it's different.
Speaker 1: It is different from when I saw him, you know,
Speaker 1: coming in as a freshman, even the last year, like
Speaker 1: this year, it felt like he is dialed, like his
Speaker 1: mechanics are dialed in, and every ball is just it's
Speaker 1: just so it's so effortless, like it just comes out
Speaker 1: with ease. You know, we said that about a number
Speaker 1: of quarterbacks you know that have been at the top
Speaker 1: of the class, you know, whether you know, whenever they
Speaker 1: end up coming out, and he's certainly guys fits that.
Speaker 3: Bill.
Speaker 4: I gotta I want to follow up on that because
Speaker 4: the big thing. Like a lot of times when you
Speaker 4: go see a quarterback live, it is to get a
Speaker 4: feel for the velocity in those things. And so you
Speaker 4: talk about the improvements and how the ball comes out
Speaker 4: and how lively it is. You've seen some of the
Speaker 4: top quarterbacks like even before then to come out, Like
Speaker 4: where does it rain? Do we talk about like plus
Speaker 4: arm talent? Are we above average? Like where where would
Speaker 4: you put that that that arm arm talent when it
Speaker 4: just on a.
Speaker 1: Natural throwing Yeah, I mean it's it's, it's it's special.
Speaker 1: Like you know, I'm not gonna say he's, uh, he's
Speaker 1: Andy Luck over here or anything like that, but like
Speaker 1: it's it's it's it's in that conversation like of guys
Speaker 1: that I've seen throw it that make it look that good,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And then like just a
Speaker 1: body type like he's just so powerful, like his lower
Speaker 1: half is so well built and he maintains like just
Speaker 1: some some urgency in his drops and his footwork. I mean,
Speaker 1: this is a big athletic kid. He And that's what
Speaker 1: I think again, people are going to really start to
Speaker 1: understand if they haven't seen it outside of Austin this year,
Speaker 1: is that you know he is he is not.
Speaker 3: I mean he is more Archie Manning than Peyton and
Speaker 3: Eli Manning. Uh and even you know.
Speaker 1: He's you know, like his dad, Cooper was a pretty
Speaker 1: damn good athlete, you know, went to Old Miss the
Speaker 1: receiver before he had this this spinal cord injury. And
Speaker 1: so he has got his his grandpa and his dad's athleticism.
Speaker 1: And I think that in today's game, he is the
Speaker 1: prototype of today's quarterback.
Speaker 3: Like that's for me.
Speaker 1: Like he is he is more like you know, built
Speaker 1: physically and then with the arm talent and with the
Speaker 1: athleticism like it's it just to check, check check.
Speaker 2: That's going to lead me right to the next guy. Then,
Speaker 2: because I just finished and I talked about him previously
Speaker 2: Lemora's Sellers and watching him and how I'm curious to
Speaker 2: see because I'm a big fan of his and I'll
Speaker 2: do arch next. I haven't done him yet, but just
Speaker 2: comparing those guys physically, hey what do they you know
Speaker 2: physically look like build wise and height wise, all those
Speaker 2: types of things as well. It's just kind of how
Speaker 2: the ball came out of their hand this week.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So Leonora's Sellers, as you can imagine DJ just
Speaker 1: from watching it on tape, but when you see it
Speaker 1: in person, it's a strong man. The power is intoxicating
Speaker 1: like it is.
Speaker 3: It is so fun like it is.
Speaker 1: It is definitely like you want to follow him around,
Speaker 1: like you just want to watch it, like you want
Speaker 1: to hear it, you know, like when his fingers when
Speaker 1: that when his fingers come off the ball.
Speaker 3: As that ball starts its rotation, it's like a whip,
Speaker 3: like you hear it, and it's I mean, it is
Speaker 3: it is.
Speaker 1: Really it is different, I'll put it that way, you know,
Speaker 1: like it's it's to me, the power coming off of it,
Speaker 1: coming out of his hand is even you know, a
Speaker 1: step above what you saw from March. But it's a
Speaker 1: different type of delivery, Like it's the RPMs are so
Speaker 1: wound up in that thing. So and then like I
Speaker 1: got to spend a litle time with him, you know,
Speaker 1: just to talk to him to kind of understand a
Speaker 1: little bit more about who he is. And you know,
Speaker 1: he's one of those dudes that you know, will sit there,
Speaker 1: look in the eye, we'll ask you what will be
Speaker 1: an active participant in the conversation and not just a
Speaker 1: yes or no, You know, a type of answer answerer
Speaker 1: of questions which a lot of these guys end up
Speaker 1: being like he, you know, loved talking about the offense
Speaker 1: now with Mike Shula as the play caller, and Mike's brother,
Speaker 1: Dave was at the camp and has been at the
Speaker 1: camp for a number of years, and so Dave was
Speaker 1: telling me just about how they love the kid. I mean,
Speaker 1: he talked for about ten minutes about who Lenora Sellers
Speaker 1: is before we even talked about what he is as
Speaker 1: a player. So I thought that was pretty special. You've
Speaker 1: all heard the stories about what he turned down to
Speaker 1: stay at South Carolina. But that humbleness like that, that loyalty,
Speaker 1: that ability to understand you know what it means, you know,
Speaker 1: for him to be there at South Carolina and to
Speaker 1: remain there at South Carolina, I think was pretty special
Speaker 1: in today's world.
Speaker 2: But by the way, I I just wrote him up
Speaker 2: because I just finished and I'd watched him a few
Speaker 2: days ago and had to write him up. But I
Speaker 2: was curious because I had heard, you know, talking to
Speaker 2: dal Loggins, who had been the oc there at South Carolina,
Speaker 2: and you know, talking about, yeah, he loves him, and
Speaker 2: he was like talking about how you know, he's smart,
Speaker 2: and he's he's he's a good kid, and he loves
Speaker 2: ball and all this stuff. And he's talked about how
Speaker 2: he was a winner, and so I was like, Okay,
Speaker 2: did he I wonder if did he win a state championship?
Speaker 2: So I wanted I went back and pulled up his
Speaker 2: high school stuff. Buck, I know, Rhett, I know guys
Speaker 2: that numbers are high school his last year forty five touchdowns,
Speaker 2: two picks and then rushed for thirteen hundred and thirty
Speaker 2: eight yards and seventeen touchdowns, led his team of the
Speaker 2: four A state championship. Yeah, he was, and I believe
Speaker 2: he was rich, says runner up. Uh, he was a
Speaker 2: finalist for the States, mister football. He didn't win? Who
Speaker 2: what did the other guy do? That's what I like
Speaker 2: to know. No, curatious, unbelievable, but no, the kid, the
Speaker 2: kid Buck. When you get a chance and you get
Speaker 2: a chance to dig in on him, like there's with
Speaker 2: bodies on him him, it is Ben Roethlisberger, Josh Allen
Speaker 2: type stuff where guys he just pulls, pulls through guys
Speaker 2: and gets guys, shrugs guys off of him like it's
Speaker 2: it's a different level of just strength and power. And
Speaker 2: then you know, I've I wrote down Houdini about ten
Speaker 2: times in the three games that I watch where it's
Speaker 2: like unblocked rusher and they he's so casual with it,
Speaker 2: like you know, this is like Lamar does that where
Speaker 2: it's you know, it's a it's an unblocked defender and
Speaker 2: it's not like this big eyes panic like it's just
Speaker 2: like and then just kind of he moves and he's gone.
Speaker 2: You don't touch him. Like he's got unbelievable elusiveness.
Speaker 4: He's such a different player, right, Like we we made
Speaker 4: the conversations last year, I think we compared somebody to
Speaker 4: like the Steve McNair in terms of rugged lab but
Speaker 4: DJ he's more like that type in terms of like
Speaker 4: the physicality that he brings to the position. But the
Speaker 4: thing is he can run, but he doesn't lean on
Speaker 4: that as his soul.
Speaker 2: He takes a clean up. He can operate.
Speaker 4: Me. Yeah, it is so unique that you have someone
Speaker 4: who is gifted enough as a runner where he could
Speaker 4: be a fifteen hundred yard rusher, but he is really
Speaker 4: dialed in in the pocket and he uses it when
Speaker 4: he needs it, not just because he has it. It
Speaker 4: is a unique skill and tool. And when we talk
Speaker 4: about people willing to bet on the upside, he may
Speaker 4: not play like some of the other guys play, but
Speaker 4: you can see why if you are about the prototypes
Speaker 4: and the tools and hey, I got to compete with
Speaker 4: the Allens and Mahomes, you can see why people will
Speaker 4: be fascinated with what he could be.
Speaker 2: If he continues to play at the level that he's
Speaker 2: played at well.
Speaker 1: And just to kind of give you another analogy of
Speaker 1: what I'm kind of talking about with what you know,
Speaker 1: people who wanted to go see Leonoris, like you know,
Speaker 1: DJ is an aspiring golfer.
Speaker 3: Now you know, like you actually you want to you know,
Speaker 3: you want.
Speaker 1: To follow like people the throng of people that would
Speaker 1: follow Tiger Woods right or that would follow you know,
Speaker 1: their favorite golfer, Scheffler whoever. It was like at it,
Speaker 1: like when when they set up these quarterback workouts down here, two.
Speaker 3: Of the three workouts are there's four stations.
Speaker 1: Peyton runs one, Eli runs one, Demo runs one, and
Speaker 1: then they got another couple of guys.
Speaker 3: That run another one.
Speaker 1: Like like there were guys like me that would just
Speaker 1: follow Leonoris through each each station, just because they wanted
Speaker 1: to see it, right, see it in different scenarios, and
Speaker 1: they did.
Speaker 3: They did a really good job with that.
Speaker 2: So well, you know what they say about next year's draft,
Speaker 2: it's a seller's market.
Speaker 1: Oh hey, look young though, right. I mean it's no
Speaker 1: you know, no, no guarantee that we're going to see
Speaker 1: him again, but see him come out.
Speaker 3: But I mean we'll see.
Speaker 2: All right. So those I mean talked about Arch talked
Speaker 2: about sellers. To me, those are the two headliners that
Speaker 2: I was most interested. So now I want to get
Speaker 2: into like, who are some of the other guys that
Speaker 2: that jumped out to you?
Speaker 1: Well, look, I mean a couple of guys that we're
Speaker 1: going to talk about a lot coming up here this spring.
Speaker 1: Kye Club, Nick Clemson and Garrett nus Meyer at LSU
Speaker 1: actually kind of similar body types, you know. But the
Speaker 1: thing I kept coming back to was the way that
Speaker 1: Garrett nuss Meyer handles himself, the way that he approaches
Speaker 1: a workout. And I did get to see his dad.
Speaker 1: His dad was there for a little bit.
Speaker 3: Doug.
Speaker 1: Doug and I go way back to when he was
Speaker 1: coming into the league with the Saints out of Idaho,
Speaker 1: and he actually briefly held the Superdome record for the
Speaker 1: longest touchdown pass in history. Yeah, Terry guess, but that
Speaker 1: that that record was quickly broken when Drew Brees came
Speaker 1: into town.
Speaker 3: But anyway, so I got to catch up with Doug
Speaker 3: a little bit.
Speaker 1: And you can just see son of a coach, right,
Speaker 1: you see that in the way he talks, the way
Speaker 1: he acts with the microphone in front of him, which
Speaker 1: I had actually had a chance to run a Q
Speaker 1: and A with the campers and about ten of these quarterbacks,
Speaker 1: and Nus was one of them.
Speaker 3: Man, just he's got an edge to him.
Speaker 1: Like he is a fiery competitive like so many questions
Speaker 1: as you can imagine in Louisiana.
Speaker 3: That were lodged towards.
Speaker 1: Nuss Meyer and Clubnik ahead of the week one matchup
Speaker 1: between those two, right, the whole Death Valley conversation, the
Speaker 1: whole thing, you know, like everybody wanted to know. And look,
Speaker 1: they had some playful back and forth. But Nus is
Speaker 1: a gamer man like he is. He let it be
Speaker 1: known that like, look, yeah, I mean we respect the
Speaker 1: heck kind of Clemson kid's one of the best quarterbacks
Speaker 1: in the country. But you know, like we're here to
Speaker 1: win this game. And the thing that reminded the thing
Speaker 1: that I was reminded watching Nus throw the ball and
Speaker 1: Klubnick was you know, like he was totally fine. Like
Speaker 1: it didn't it didn't wow me, didn't jump out to me,
Speaker 1: but like totally you know, kind of handle himself, maybe
Speaker 1: the way in which you would expect just kind of
Speaker 1: steady Eddy, but Nus, like Nus was different in the
Speaker 1: way he approached each rep in each workout was really
Speaker 1: kind of fun to watch, just the way he would
Speaker 1: the way, like the intensity in which he would you know,
Speaker 1: make a drop on air. It honestly reminded me of
Speaker 1: the way that Peyton used to do it in those
Speaker 1: workouts in those settings like it was the Super Bowl
Speaker 1: in in the at the end of June, like that's
Speaker 1: everything was so technically and fundamentally sound with him with
Speaker 1: the way like and I just you know, because there's
Speaker 1: guys who you know, will take a shotgun snap, they'll
Speaker 1: like you know, bounce around for a second and then
Speaker 1: try to show off the arm. That was not nuts.
Speaker 1: He was working the game, working the drill, working the
Speaker 1: rep every time. I thought that was really really impressive.
Speaker 1: So those two guys certainly, another guy that we don't
Speaker 1: talk about a ton but was a college football playoff
Speaker 1: quarterback last year was Jennings from SMU, and he was there.
Speaker 1: And what I'll bring up with Jennings is the urgency,
Speaker 1: like the urgency in which he gets rid of the ball,
Speaker 1: in which he gets to his release point from wherever
Speaker 1: he is under center and his shotgun.
Speaker 3: I mean it is cat quick.
Speaker 1: And so that kind of brought me to some of
Speaker 1: John Gruden's like greatest hits.
Speaker 3: From the camp, Like when I went up to him
Speaker 3: and I.
Speaker 1: Was like, coach, what do you get out of what
Speaker 1: do you get out of a workout like this? You
Speaker 1: know in shorts and T shirts on air? You know
Speaker 1: a couple receivers here and there they've never worked with.
Speaker 1: He's like, it's quickness, man, you know, I mean it's quickness, right.
Speaker 1: I want to see mental quickness. I want to see
Speaker 1: you working through the progression even when you don't have
Speaker 1: a defense out there. And I want to see the
Speaker 1: arm quickness. I want to see the body quickness. Like
Speaker 1: everything was about quickness and urgency. And Kevin Jennings man
Speaker 1: was was outstanding on that front. There's a number of
Speaker 1: guys that were like that too, but he really stuck
Speaker 1: out to me. And while I'm on the topic of Gruden,
Speaker 1: and I'll get back to the quarterbacks here in just
Speaker 1: sec but for you, Coach Buck, I want to and
Speaker 1: you'll appreciate the story too, ditch, but.
Speaker 2: Let me let me make that determination. Go ahead.
Speaker 3: Fair enough, fair enough. So Gruden's with Johnny Major's at Tennessee.
Speaker 1: It's like one of his first gigs in college, right, yes,
Speaker 1: exactly right, And they talked about that but low level
Speaker 1: Stafford because CD he's always down at the camp, but
Speaker 1: low level Stafford. And he's got the privilege of entertaining
Speaker 1: Frank Broyles, who was coming in to hang out with
Speaker 1: coach Majors, right, you know, the Broyles Award giving her
Speaker 1: a top assistant Arcus. He comes in and and Broyles,
Speaker 1: Broyles wants to watch some tape and uh, and so
Speaker 1: he and Gruden get to talking about it, and he's
Speaker 1: got to go do a cut up for Coach Broyle's
Speaker 1: which is like literally cutting the film right and putting
Speaker 1: it up on the projector and all that. So he
Speaker 1: does it and they show a bunch of routes that
Speaker 1: he's been working on with some of the receivers and
Speaker 1: talking to Coach Broyles about the route depth, you know,
Speaker 1: like we're gonna run this deep bot you know, this
Speaker 1: this over route here, we're gonna get up to twelve
Speaker 1: yards and we're gonna make this break. And Coach Broyles
Speaker 1: is watching the tape. He's like, hey, Coach Cruden, what
Speaker 1: was what was the depth of that route that you
Speaker 1: were saying on that He's like twelve, Coach. He's like,
Speaker 1: this guy's running out of ten here, and he would
Speaker 1: go through another route and he's like, this route depth
Speaker 1: isn't quite resids nine thought you said ten. And Cruden's like,
Speaker 1: oh boy, I'm getting roasted here by broils, like thinking
Speaker 1: that you know my you know, my stuff doesn't stink here.
Speaker 3: And sure enough.
Speaker 1: But the what Broyle said to him is what you
Speaker 1: see on tape is what you coach, right, even if
Speaker 1: it's not even even if it's not directly something that
Speaker 1: even if the guy's doing something that you know you
Speaker 1: might have told him to go at twelve, but he's
Speaker 1: still going at ten, that's on you, right. And there's
Speaker 1: just something so simple that kind of stuck with me there.
Speaker 1: But what you see on tape is what you coach,
Speaker 1: both negatively and positively. So you know, just just a
Speaker 1: reminder out there about the detail.
Speaker 2: How many times have you heard that? Buck though? Hey,
Speaker 2: we're either teaching it or we're allowing it.
Speaker 4: And the and the hard thing is are you persistent
Speaker 4: in terms of are you on them every day about
Speaker 4: those details or whatever. It is always funny though when
Speaker 4: you hear coaches talk about those old coaches who are
Speaker 4: great the attention to detail.
Speaker 3: That's it, man, When when?
Speaker 4: And that is why some coaches like to invite other
Speaker 4: coaches to observe practice, because that ego that an old
Speaker 4: coach has, and you know, they kind of are unfiltered,
Speaker 4: so they would tell you, like frame Burls, So.
Speaker 1: I'm not right, yeah, okay, all right, you want uh
Speaker 1: you want one one bit of comedy from uh?
Speaker 3: Okay?
Speaker 1: Uh so let me let me pull this up here
Speaker 1: exactly because uh I mentioned Mark Gronowski was there, right,
Speaker 1: So first workout, first workout was, oh, let's see that
Speaker 1: it was the Thursday, right, and they're running through a
Speaker 1: bunch of drills and then they start running. They start
Speaker 1: running some routes, routes on air, and you know they're
Speaker 1: gonna do like five or six, seven, eight different routes.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: And then they ended with a go route right, just
Speaker 1: the nine ball right, we're running and we're just we're letting,
Speaker 1: we're airing it out to and ended up and so
Speaker 1: you know, there's forty quarterbacks trying to work out time,
Speaker 1: ends up getting constrained.
Speaker 3: He only gets to throw the go ball once. He's like, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 3: only threw it once.
Speaker 1: My man Grant Jordan, who will be the starter at
Speaker 1: UMass this year after an illustrious career at Yale transferred
Speaker 1: into UMass. He kind of pipes in from the back.
Speaker 1: He's like, dude, you're a quarterback at Iowa. You only
Speaker 1: get one go ball. It was just like the realness
Speaker 1: of it. That's a line, but that also goes to
Speaker 1: show you, like the little bit of the kind of
Speaker 1: friend personal competitiveness and personality that goes on with these
Speaker 1: like alpha dudes that are all in a room together
Speaker 1: for four days, which was pretty cool.
Speaker 2: All Right, we're down to our last few minutes here, Red,
Speaker 2: so I'm gonna give you kind of do you have
Speaker 2: five guys can you give me the thumbnail on five
Speaker 2: more intriguing guys that were there.
Speaker 1: John Mattyr. John Matteer, is I mean really, I mean
Speaker 1: like he was the most impressive to me day one,
Speaker 1: Like first workout, I was like, holy smokes. And then
Speaker 1: like you watch me, you see I don't know if
Speaker 1: it comes if you see it on on tape as
Speaker 1: much DJ, but like you see him in person, that
Speaker 1: dude is built like thickness lower half, like he could
Speaker 1: put the neck roll on and be a full back
Speaker 1: if you needed him too. And he's kind of got
Speaker 1: that mentality too.
Speaker 3: A little bit.
Speaker 1: So was uh, it was kind of excited about that
Speaker 1: and about him. Sam Levitt Man, I think for a
Speaker 1: guy who saw his star just explode last year for
Speaker 1: the Big twelve champion Arizona State Sun Devils, like I was,
Speaker 1: I was impressed with just man. He's got he kind
Speaker 1: of he puts it together, understands like the position he's
Speaker 1: in now, and pretty solid, I mean pretty tightly wound.
Speaker 1: He was not like I would put him in like
Speaker 1: the certainly the top five, top six seven guys that
Speaker 1: were that were throwing it, ripping it around there for sure,
Speaker 1: so I'd have him up there. Let's see, uh up,
Speaker 1: We've done Jennings, we did Arch Club.
Speaker 2: Nick.
Speaker 1: I would say, you know, Gunner Stockton was just kind
Speaker 1: of middle of the road for me. You know, I
Speaker 1: think there's probably some it's just like it wasn't as
Speaker 1: elite at the high end as some of the other guys.
Speaker 1: Not to say he can't get the job done for
Speaker 1: Georgia with the extremely talented group around him, like, I
Speaker 1: think they're gonna be just fine. Ty Simpson was a
Speaker 1: fun one to watch and like just a really you know,
Speaker 1: for a guy who's gonna be a quarterback at Alabama,
Speaker 1: very unassuming, like just kind of little.
Speaker 2: He needs to be careful because it sounds like the
Speaker 2: freshman kid they got coming in there from Duncanville is
Speaker 2: like one of the most interciting love dub players in
Speaker 2: the country. Yeah, Ty's gotta get you, gotta hit the
Speaker 2: ground running. We don't no kidding.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: And then the the last one I'll give you is
Speaker 1: a guy was extremely impressed with kind of in the
Speaker 1: workouts and then just in the way he carried himself.
Speaker 3: Austin Simmons at Old Miss.
Speaker 1: Red shirt sophomore who is kind of been at Old
Speaker 1: miss right, and I know, I know, you know, Coach
Speaker 1: Kiffin has said that, like he's got some stuff that
Speaker 1: Jackson Dark didn't right in his tool bag, which is
Speaker 1: extremes baseball and he was baseball and football. Dudd like
Speaker 1: twenty strikeouts for the Revs the previous baseball season, and
Speaker 1: you know he's going to be playing his first real
Speaker 1: football you know, this year he is. He graduated, he
Speaker 1: has already graduated. He's nineteen years old. He's already graduated
Speaker 1: at on this he is now working on his on
Speaker 1: his next degree. Just really smart, like he was really
Speaker 1: competitive with the kids, was really good coaching the kids.
Speaker 1: You know, Like I've talked to you guys about this
Speaker 1: a number of times. DJ, Like we're going through routes
Speaker 1: on air, which is a part of the drill period,
Speaker 1: and we you know, we go in with the quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: So my group of receivers joins a group of quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: And I always wanted to just ask, man, man, what's
Speaker 1: your favorite two man combo over here that we can
Speaker 1: we can get the receivers to run. Some of them
Speaker 1: are like, huh, what do we don't do that in
Speaker 1: our offense? I'm like, well, can you just can you
Speaker 1: just do one here, because this is what we got.
Speaker 1: We got six receivers. Okay, let's just let's try and
Speaker 1: get him some reps. And this dude was out here,
Speaker 1: I mean like coaching up routes. Route technique coach Broyles
Speaker 1: would have been proud man he was. He was coaching
Speaker 1: up the details of every route. So I think he's
Speaker 1: got a great command of what Lane wants him to do.
Speaker 1: He has got some excellent tools, really mobile and just
Speaker 1: like a really kind of whippy arm. I'm excited to
Speaker 1: see what what he's got for him.
Speaker 2: I just I just love all he's saying personality wise.
Speaker 4: Whose personality stood out to you? You've been around the
Speaker 4: quarterback position, yeah, you know, like who's the dude's dude.
Speaker 2: When it comes to all those guys been around each other?
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know it was.
Speaker 1: You know, it's kind of interesting to kind of watch
Speaker 1: that unfold, like we've you know, we've talked about it
Speaker 1: in the past, like guys that they kind of have
Speaker 1: that magnetism to him, you know, and nuss Meyer is
Speaker 1: is really that guy. And you can see why Brian
Speaker 1: Kelly loves him, why l s u why his teammates
Speaker 1: love him at l.
Speaker 3: S U, and I'm.
Speaker 1: Sure that they've got guys that are probably, you know,
Speaker 1: maybe more talented. You know, from like just an overall standpoint,
Speaker 1: probably could have gone out and got guys that are
Speaker 1: more talented. But I don't think you'll find a guy
Speaker 1: who connects more, who is more ready for the moment,
Speaker 1: who is more technically and fundamentally ready to be the
Speaker 1: guy at LSU again this year than nus Meyer. And
Speaker 1: like you could just kind of see it, like guys
Speaker 1: were just around him all the time, which I thought
Speaker 1: was pretty cool.
Speaker 2: That's awesome. All right. To close it up, selfish, they
Speaker 2: have to ask you about one final guy, Sawyer Robertson
Speaker 2: from Baylor.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Sawyer was great. Sawyer was great. You know, it's
Speaker 1: kind of a small world here. His backup quarterback, Nate
Speaker 1: Bennett is our pastor at our church out here. Oh
Speaker 1: my gosh, yeah, oh nuts. Yeah, it's a totally small
Speaker 1: world deal. So I went up to him. We started talking,
Speaker 1: and you want to talk about impressive young men, like
Speaker 1: that was probably the most impressive conversation that I had.
Speaker 3: Like that guy.
Speaker 1: Man just has a great of gratitude for where he is.
Speaker 1: The opportunity as and like I thought he threw the
Speaker 1: ball actually, you know pretty well. Yeah.
Speaker 3: But my favorite moment was I was like, hey, uh,
Speaker 3: just kind of curious if you, uh, if.
Speaker 1: You had any idea about a you know, you know,
Speaker 1: younger guy was in the was in the recruiting office,
Speaker 1: was in the football office, little right right, Ryland Jeremiah
Speaker 1: and and I was like what.
Speaker 3: Yeah, He's like, yeah, I know Ryland. Ryland was the
Speaker 3: first guy ever caught a pass for me at Baylor. Uh.
Speaker 1: And I was like what. And so he told me
Speaker 1: this whole story about how, uh did you just a park?
Speaker 1: They were there at a park and Ryland went up
Speaker 1: and bought balls from him, and and so they've been
Speaker 1: kind of tight and they'd see each other in the office.
Speaker 1: And but here's the thing, like, you know how the
Speaker 1: interview question right whereas you know they bring into the
Speaker 1: office and like, hey, do you remember the second the
Speaker 1: receptionist name that you remember the guy who greeted his name.
Speaker 1: That guy like understands the importance of every person in
Speaker 1: the organization.
Speaker 3: It was clear to me.
Speaker 1: And like he went on and and and on about
Speaker 1: Ryland and about you know, he loves Taylor.
Speaker 3: I think Baylor's in great hands this year with Sawyer.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it'll be interesting. Yeah, Buck, he was there. I
Speaker 2: think he was just there with a couple buddies, like
Speaker 2: just throwing the football around. And Ryland and is in
Speaker 2: recruiting and then knew knew who he wasn't kind of
Speaker 2: what he looked like. He's like, I think that's our
Speaker 2: new quarterback. Has transferred them from a six state Go
Speaker 2: over to say hello to him, and he's like, hey,
Speaker 2: you he needs somebody to catch some balls. So routes
Speaker 2: cup balls from him right at the park because he
Speaker 2: just got into Waco. But yeah, he had he had
Speaker 2: a good year. They've got a really good running back.
Speaker 2: They should be uh interesting. Did you see by the way, Buck,
Speaker 2: do you see Prime on Big twelve media days? I
Speaker 2: I did.
Speaker 4: Prime was decked out, had his new little Nike shoes
Speaker 4: on and all that.
Speaker 2: Michael Playmaker.
Speaker 4: Playmaker got a shout out because there was a lot
Speaker 4: of concern about Prime's health because he kind of been
Speaker 4: in the dark, so it was he didn't address it,
Speaker 4: but it was great to see him. I just think
Speaker 4: Prime is Prime, and he's gonna say whatever he feels,
Speaker 4: and so the salary cap thing is what came out
Speaker 4: of that. How he feels like, hey, just look at
Speaker 4: the teams that are playing in a deal and I'm like, well, yeah,
Speaker 4: but that's no different than anything that we've seen, Like, yeah,
Speaker 4: you got to.
Speaker 2: Pay to play, and we're all much better coaches when
Speaker 2: you got better players.
Speaker 4: So you got to find a way to get better players.
Speaker 2: And right now you talk about the haves and the
Speaker 2: have nots.
Speaker 4: I mean, it's a big part of college football, and
Speaker 4: you got to figure out a way to get in
Speaker 4: the game if you want to compet at the high levels.
Speaker 2: Him about Joey McGuire, Did you see that one?
Speaker 3: Shout out?
Speaker 2: John?
Speaker 3: Love you, Joey, Joey, I love you Joey.
Speaker 2: That money he left over money there at Texas Tech,
Speaker 2: my way, that's funny. Not a lot of oil money
Speaker 2: in Colorado, not that I know of it.
Speaker 4: No, no, no, but you know who got money. I
Speaker 4: got money because they broke him off with their new contract.
Speaker 2: You will be okay, all right, boys, this has been
Speaker 2: fun rahtt The tradition lives. Yes, I appreciate you coming
Speaker 2: on and doing give it Manning recap and I'll let
Speaker 2: you get back to Uh. I mean, I'm gonna guess today, Rhett,
Speaker 2: probably what do you think, Buck, I think he'srobably grilling
Speaker 2: some salmon burgers.
Speaker 3: That sounds great.
Speaker 2: What you think he's got going on today?
Speaker 1: Boys got boys got basketball practice back to back, so
Speaker 1: we got a stummer hoops, we got to get it going.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Oh outdoors early?
Speaker 2: Oh nice? Yeah, White men can't jump action out there.
Speaker 4: You probably probably you probably have JJ Redick coaching your
Speaker 4: team based on where you're at.
Speaker 3: Efficient.
Speaker 2: No more than three dribbles. Three dribbles too many.
Speaker 3: On that front.
Speaker 2: Man, you're bringing back nightmares. Man, remember the one, Remember
Speaker 2: remember one? Remember one on one one dribble, Remember that
Speaker 2: you get I've only played three dribbles. We did one.
Speaker 2: It was all just jab steps. It was jab steps,
Speaker 2: shot figs and you got one dribble and you got
Speaker 2: a pull and so it was Yeah.
Speaker 4: You can't even you can't even, guy, you can't even
Speaker 4: using unorthodox Hey you anything.
Speaker 2: But you can get but you can get the one
Speaker 2: dribble on a step back. You can get a lot of.
Speaker 1: But my only advice to the boys, boardman gets board
Speaker 1: man gets paid. We're going out towards we are living
Speaker 1: on the boards.
Speaker 3: Okay, I'll leave you.
Speaker 2: I'll leave you with this. I went through a horrible
Speaker 2: shooting slump. I don't remember. It was some time in
Speaker 2: high school. I don't know what a year I was in,
Speaker 2: but my dad, I was a point guard, and my
Speaker 2: dad was like, hey, you just gotta stop thinking about shooting,
Speaker 2: all right, get that out of your head. I'm going
Speaker 2: to pay you ten dollars for every rebound you get
Speaker 2: in this game. I swear to you, guys, well, getting
Speaker 2: back on defense is not an option. I was, hey,
Speaker 2: a lot, yeah, yeah, a lot of cherry pick layups
Speaker 2: on the other end. But I was getting my boards.
Speaker 2: I think I got like, I think eighty bucks. Man,
Speaker 2: They're like eight boards is a point guard. It's nice, Okay,
Speaker 2: ninety three that's trying to get a triple double. Fann't know.
Speaker 2: I don't care, don't care. It's eighty bucks.
Speaker 4: I certainly hope you want to do it like Ricky
Speaker 4: Davis throwing the ball off.
Speaker 2: The bad board and grabbing me and just getting your
Speaker 2: own board. That's not a bad idea. That's not a
Speaker 2: bad idea at all. That's outstin all right. This has
Speaker 2: been fun. I hope you guys have enjoyed it. We'll
Speaker 2: see you next time. Right here, I'm on the thing.