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Speaker 1: Welcome on and all to the Hammer Territory Podcast. My

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Speaker 1: name is Sean Coleman. Hope, wherever you are and wherever

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Speaker 1: you are listening, you are having a great start to

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Speaker 1: our great week so far. It's a great start to

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Speaker 1: the off season and the reason why it is our

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Speaker 1: first emergency podcast of the off season. Myself, Sean Colbert,

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Speaker 1: Sean Colbert, Sean Colevin, Stephen Tolbert. You're with me, man,

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Speaker 1: I'm so excited. I'm just going all over the place

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Speaker 1: right now. The main thing that we're here to say

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Speaker 1: is this, it's emergency podcast time because the Braves have

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Speaker 1: made their first major move of the off season, re

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Speaker 1: signing closer Rice Legalacias.

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Speaker 2: What's up, buddy, We have real news to talk about.

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Speaker 2: We have something real life that happened. The baseball offseason

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Speaker 2: just started out just unbelievably slow. We finally the dam

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Speaker 2: broke the other night when the Mariners signed Josh Naylor.

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Speaker 2: Finally got some some blood circulating, and then boom out

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Speaker 2: of nowhere tonight, you know, probably around what seven o'clock

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Speaker 2: local time, six point thirty local times, something like that,

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Speaker 2: we get the just the tweet, the classic Braves tweet

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Speaker 2: where no one knows about it until the Braves tweeted out,

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Speaker 2: Braves are signing Rossioglesias to a one year, sixteen million

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Speaker 2: dollar contract to come back as presumably to come back

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Speaker 2: as closer next year. I guess we'll see how they

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Speaker 2: fill out the rest of the bullpen. But obviously we're

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Speaker 2: gonna talk about it in detail here. It's gonna be

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Speaker 2: the only topic of the show. We had other stuff

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Speaker 2: playing tonight, all that I got thrown out, Rundown got

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Speaker 2: thrown out, Breaking News Emergency podcast.

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Speaker 3: Rossio gle is his back, and there's a lot to

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, let's jump right into it. And again, you know,

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Speaker 1: we talked last week, Stephen about how Alexandopolis had mentioned,

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Speaker 1: you know, hey, starting pitching shortstop were his primary focuses,

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Speaker 1: and then you know kind of you know, a lot

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Speaker 1: of additions to the bullpen. But me and you talked

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Speaker 1: about the fact that when it comes to Alex and Thoppolis,

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Speaker 1: with as important as the bullpen has been throughout the years,

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Speaker 1: you have much of your offense established, but when it

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Speaker 1: comes to the bullpen, you've got to start building it

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Speaker 1: from the back and then work your way up in

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Speaker 1: terms of the innings. The Braves didn't have that anchor.

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Speaker 1: They did not have their closer, so it made sense

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Speaker 1: that when you consider those factors, closer naturally seemed to

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Speaker 1: be the first move that Endopolis would make, and that's

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Speaker 1: exactly what he did. And he stuck with the name

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Speaker 1: that he knows more than going out and potentially getting

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Speaker 1: another name when you know, on a market that very

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Speaker 1: much had plenty of options when it came to closers.

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Speaker 1: But obviously he went and got someone that was wanted

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Speaker 1: because reports came out after the signing book the Blue

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Speaker 1: Jays and the Dodgers were willing to go to sixteen

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Speaker 1: or so million for Iglesias as well, but he decided

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Speaker 1: to return to the Braves, and hats off to Alex

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Speaker 1: and Thopplas. The bullpen needed their anchor. He went and

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Speaker 1: got the one that he knew, and it took a

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Speaker 1: one year deal, which is very hard to turn out

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Speaker 1: to be a bad contract all around, seems to be

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Speaker 1: a pretty good first major move the off season for

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Speaker 1: the Braves.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, listen, we talked about it on the last show,

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Speaker 2: I think the last show. Then you and I did

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Speaker 2: maybe the one before. I can't quite remember that.

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Speaker 3: Like, don't be.

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Speaker 2: Surprised if closer is the first thing off the board,

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Speaker 2: even though it's always kind of been third on the

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Speaker 2: to do list. Anytime Alex talks publicly, do not be

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Speaker 2: surprised that you can't always control which one you get

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Speaker 2: Aglecias so early in the offseason accepted a one year deal.

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Speaker 2: The first thing I thought when I saw it was wow, Okay.

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Speaker 2: He must have very very quickly realized his market is

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Speaker 2: going to be one year deals, because that's not something

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Speaker 2: And I think he heard from other teams. Like you said,

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Speaker 2: sixteen million. Obviously, Iglesias has a ton of familiarity with Atlanta.

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Speaker 3: The Braves love rossill Iglesias. Brian Sticker used to talk about.

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Speaker 2: Him like he was a family member. I mean, I mean,

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Speaker 2: not there anymore, but the entire organization loves Russia. He

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Speaker 2: has been a model citizen since the day he got here.

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Speaker 2: Making big money, but you would never know it by

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Speaker 2: the way he acts. He's just like, give me the

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Speaker 2: You know, I know you've got some numbers that we're

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Speaker 3: He was unbelievable.

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Speaker 2: He was one of the best relievers in baseball. And

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Speaker 2: I know he had that rough start, But this is

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Speaker 2: a good deal. This is a good contract, a one

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Speaker 2: year deal, sixteen millions, pretty much when he was making

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Speaker 2: last year. I think it's exactly what he was making

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Speaker 2: go wrong with a one year deal. Now, you know,

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Speaker 2: we have to see what else they do in the bullpen.

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Speaker 2: But getting that closer spot, this was a I mean,

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Speaker 2: this was a glaring need. Like, yes, the Braves needed

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Speaker 2: bullpen help, but maybe even more so, they needed a closer.

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Speaker 2: They needed somebody to take the ninth inning. And this

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Speaker 2: is a spot in baseball that is still very much around.

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Speaker 2: Teams use closers, Teams use you know, set guys to

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Speaker 2: get their ninth inning saves, get their wins locked up.

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Speaker 2: So this was a big deal, and I'm very impressed

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Speaker 2: that the Braves got this done a one year deal

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Speaker 2: this early. I would have thought Iglesias would have waited

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Speaker 3: But the fact that the Braves got.

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Speaker 2: This done tells me that Iglesias knew his market was

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Speaker 2: probably gonna be one year deals given his age, and

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Speaker 2: that his other offers were very similar to what the

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Speaker 2: Braves gave him, and he just went with where he's

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Speaker 2: most familiar and where they love him. And Braves fans

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Speaker 2: love Iglesias, the organization loves him. So I have no

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Speaker 2: problem with this year. I saw some people freaking out

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Speaker 2: because it's sixteen million on a one year deal.

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Speaker 3: You're gonna pay a little.

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Speaker 2: More on the aav that's just the that's the name

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Speaker 2: deal for Iglesias is perfectly fine with me. I have

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Speaker 2: no issue with this onsoever.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, And I mean, you know, listen, Alex and Thoppolss,

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Speaker 1: getting to the eight figure AAV deals. Will Smith, I

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Speaker 1: World Series done. Overall, he's done well when it comes

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Speaker 1: once again. But I cannot emphasize enough they may work

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Speaker 1: good year. But even though there are so many closer

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Speaker 1: the fact that the Braves got their closer on that

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Speaker 1: upwards a fifty or sixty million. Again, that to me,

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Speaker 1: it's clear that ryce eel Iglesias loves Atlanta as well,

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Speaker 1: and that's what played a part in this. So again,

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Speaker 1: it's not just the quality of the of the person.

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Speaker 1: It's not the quality of the talent at the closer position,

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Speaker 1: but that one year, I thinking of itself, is a

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Speaker 1: good value because again, there's so little risk for a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and Alex has always done this. He's always had

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Speaker 2: you know, sometimes on it. If I being one hundred

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Speaker 2: he's spent on a closer. I remember first time I

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Speaker 2: dollars in credits to ken the Jensen. He's actually found

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Speaker 2: Alex has always done this. And when I remember when

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Speaker 3: And he took on that.

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Speaker 2: Entire contract, and everybody was freaking out because all we

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Speaker 2: Alex just took on like fifty eight million dollar contract

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Speaker 2: for a closer, Like that's an insane amount of money

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Speaker 2: Iglesias not only was worth that deal, he arguably exceeded

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Speaker 3: Of that contract in the three and a half years

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Speaker 2: I actually really thought there was a chance after they

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Speaker 2: Charlie Morton extensions, where like every September they just re

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Speaker 3: It's different with the relievers.

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Speaker 2: There's more volatility, so it's you know, I understand the

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Speaker 2: risk of doing that, but this is basically what happened.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it just took into a free agency to

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Speaker 2: one year extension. You know, he was basically out in

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Speaker 2: and he's just right back on the same, almost the

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Speaker 2: exact same dar line he left on, which was sixteen

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Speaker 2: I listen, I understand people don't like paying money to

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Speaker 2: have to spend at some level the Braves. You know,

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Speaker 2: they did decline those options on the on the on

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Speaker 2: more to do. I would love to clear that Aaron

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Speaker 2: better about how much money they're spending on the bullpen.

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Speaker 2: But if you're gonna spend on on the bullpen, the

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Speaker 2: closer is the spot to spend it. Like you said,

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Speaker 2: you have to have the anchor. You have to build

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Speaker 2: ninth inning, you know, back towards lower leverage. So I,

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Speaker 2: you know, this is exactly what I expected.

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Speaker 3: I expected a Glacy.

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Speaker 2: I thought of Glaciers would get a two year deal

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Speaker 2: I am surprised he signed a one year deal so

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Speaker 1: So, Stephen, when you initially look at this opportunity for

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Speaker 1: And the thing about it is is that he went

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Speaker 2: the swing and miss had dropped drastically last year, I

435
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Speaker 2: would have big reservations because I think you have to

436
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Speaker 2: have swing and miss, especially in high leverage you're usually

437
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Speaker 2: coming in with you know, runners on base. You need

438
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Speaker 2: swing and miss.

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Speaker 3: You need strikeouts.

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Speaker 2: He struck out almost ten per nine innings last year.

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Speaker 2: He struck out you know, he had more strikeouts and

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Speaker 2: innings pitch, which is kind of the benchmark for a

443
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Speaker 2: good strikeout pitcher.

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Speaker 3: The walks were really low. I think he only walked

445
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Speaker 3: like sixteen hitters last year.

446
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Speaker 2: So high strikeouts, low walks is music to my ear.

447
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Speaker 2: Is One of my favorite stats is strikeout to walk ratio,

448
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Speaker 2: especially for relievers, and Iglesias has been fantastic at it.

449
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Speaker 2: And so yeah, it his durability, his ability to miss bats,

450
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Speaker 2: the way he responded last year, the way he adjusted

451
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Speaker 2: his stuff on the fly. You know, Iglesias was a

452
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Speaker 2: proven veteran last year who still made adjustments on the

453
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Speaker 2: fly to his repertoire because a pitch wasn't working. That

454
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Speaker 2: doesn't always happen. You have guys who are very stubborn

455
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Speaker 2: about that kind of stuff. And Iglacier was like, yeah,

456
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Speaker 2: all right, slider's getting torched. H I gotta throw this

457
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Speaker 2: slider anymore. We're gonna change some stuff around it, just

458
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Speaker 2: you know, reinforces what we've heard about him, which he is.

459
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Speaker 2: He's like an A plus teammate. So yeah, you add

460
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Speaker 2: it all together. The durability, the strikeout stuff is still there.

461
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Speaker 2: It's a one year deal. The closer market was probably

462
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Speaker 2: gonna get crazy. Edwin Diaz is gonna make a lot

463
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Speaker 2: of money. I think Devin Waim is going to make

464
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Speaker 2: a lot of money. The Braves still need to do

465
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Speaker 2: more in the bullpen. But a one year, sixteen million

466
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Speaker 2: dour deal. You know, sides had him getting a two

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Speaker 2: Most sides had him getting a two year deal. A

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Speaker 2: little bumping av because it's a one.

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Speaker 3: Year deal is fine with me. I think this is

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Speaker 3: a really good and.

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Speaker 1: The other thing that I'll point out is this as

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Speaker 1: we talk about Ryce sol Iglesias and just how much

473
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Speaker 1: he means to the Braves, his performance and things such

474
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Speaker 1: as that, is that when you look at the Brave's

475
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Speaker 1: bullpen on paper, this could really be any bullpen. But

476
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Speaker 1: when you look at the Brave's bullpen on paper before

477
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Speaker 1: today and now you're able to slot Ryce Solaglacias into

478
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Speaker 1: the ninth, it just makes it so much more I

479
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Speaker 1: don't think formidable is the right word, but you get

480
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Speaker 1: so much more comfortable looking at it. Yeah, rights Solglacias

481
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Speaker 1: in the ninth. You're hoping Joe Hamannes can come back

482
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Speaker 1: and be healthy him take the eighth from the left side.

483
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Speaker 1: You've got Dylan Lee from the left side. You've also

484
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Speaker 1: got Aaron Bummer for middle relief. You've also got X

485
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Speaker 1: factors in Grant Holmes and Rinaldo Lopez. Now I know

486
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Speaker 1: that may be planning to be starters. There's plenty of

487
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Speaker 1: work to still be done on the bullpen. But when

488
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Speaker 1: you now got Iglesias, if you can get Jimenez, healthy,

489
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Speaker 1: Lee and Bummer from that left side, plus Lopez from

490
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Speaker 1: that right side, you've got the making. You've got the

491
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Speaker 1: talent there to certainly be a quality bullpen. So I'm

492
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Speaker 1: not saying that the Braves don't have work to do

493
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Speaker 1: on their bullpiin. But I also think it needs to

494
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Speaker 1: be pointed out that they're not necessarily starting from scratch.

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Speaker 1: They've got some talents, and they've got some talents with

496
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Speaker 1: some proven track records that could really turn this into

497
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Speaker 1: a very good bullpen. They need health to be on

498
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Speaker 1: their side, and they need to add a few more pieces.

499
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Speaker 1: But just adding to glaciers back it gives you not

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Speaker 1: only that starting point, but the other guys that were

501
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Speaker 1: already here fits them right into where they're most comfortable.

502
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Speaker 1: And now you start to see, Okay, you know, the

503
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Speaker 1: bullpen looks a lot better.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and listen, I expect I guess we don't know

505
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Speaker 2: this for a fact. We'll learn it on the fly

506
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Speaker 2: when we see it for the first time. But Brian

507
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Speaker 2: Snicker was very much a give me a consistent set

508
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Speaker 2: closer every ninth inning that I need to save. I'm

509
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Speaker 2: going to the same guy. I'm guessing Walt Weiss's going

510
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Speaker 2: to be the same I'm guessing you know. There was

511
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Speaker 2: some talk about like do you go by you know,

512
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Speaker 2: do you build more of a committee than a hierarchy?

513
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Speaker 2: You know, the traditional hierarchy of a bullpen. Is you

514
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Speaker 2: have your ninth INNY guy, your eighth in NY guy.

515
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Speaker 2: You got a couple of seventh inning guys, you got

516
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Speaker 2: a couple of sixth any guys. You know, were they

517
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Speaker 2: gonna do that or were they going to go more

518
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Speaker 2: by committee. I think I'm guessing what wiss is going

519
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Speaker 2: to be a you know, a traditional I've got my

520
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Speaker 2: ninth INNY guy, I've got my eighth inning guy, and

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Speaker 2: that's fine with me.

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Speaker 3: I have no problem with that.

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Speaker 2: I'm not I'm not gonna stump against that because it

524
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Speaker 2: has worked in the past. The Braves typically have very

525
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Speaker 2: good bullpens. So the Braves have their ninth inning guy,

526
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Speaker 2: and you know, Joejamenez's health is going to matter a

527
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Speaker 2: lot in this conversation ultimately about what else they do.

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Speaker 2: I'm guessing they're operating under the assumption that Joejimenez is

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Speaker 2: too big of a question mark to count on. I

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Speaker 2: hope that's how they're operating. And they're because I've heard

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Speaker 2: Alex say like they're probably gonna go get multiple relievers

532
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Speaker 2: this offseason, So I don't think they're done in the bullpen.

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Speaker 2: I would love to clear some of that, like if

534
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Speaker 2: you told me Aaron Bummer could be cleared and that

535
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Speaker 2: nine million, ten million could be spent elsewhere, even on

536
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Speaker 2: the bullpen, even maybe on a couple of bullpen pieces,

537
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Speaker 2: I'd still feel more comfortable because you know, we're gonna

538
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Speaker 2: talk about payroll in the last segment. A lot of

539
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Speaker 2: people have been asking about an update. We'll do an update.

540
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Speaker 2: But Bummer at ten million, Jmenez at nine million is

541
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Speaker 2: still a little too much exposure for me. For my liking,

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Speaker 2: I would like to see them clear at least one

543
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Speaker 2: of those if possible, and then get more efficient in

544
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Speaker 2: the in the rest of the bullpen. And again, I

545
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Speaker 2: don't think this is the last move for that group.

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Speaker 2: I think I think they're gonna add probably one, probably

547
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Speaker 2: two more and they're not going to be at this level,

548
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Speaker 2: but I think they're gonna add maybe one or two

549
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Speaker 2: more proven relievers and then we'll see, you know, once

550
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Speaker 2: we get to the end of the off season, exactly

551
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Speaker 2: what this group looks like.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, again, this by no mean, this, by no way,

553
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Speaker 1: shape or form, means that they're close to being finish.

554
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Speaker 1: But it's a fine first step, and not only for

555
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Speaker 1: the bullpen reconstruction, because again I think they're going to

556
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Speaker 1: add multiple pieces as well. But just in terms of okay,

557
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Speaker 1: we've got our closer, we know that we can find

558
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Speaker 1: probably some value editions in the bullpen. Now we can

559
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Speaker 1: fully focus on potentially getting that starter and that shortstop

560
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Speaker 1: or offensive upgrade that we want. So again, just by

561
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Speaker 1: going out and getting this first move taken care of,

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Speaker 1: especially with the guy that you know, it just the

563
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Speaker 1: level of comfort, the the the added certainty that comes

564
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Speaker 1: with the overall construction of your team. It cannot be

565
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Speaker 1: stated enough. You're far from finished this off season, but

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Speaker 1: this was one heck of a first move for the

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Speaker 1: Braves with pretty good low risk.

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Speaker 2: But I'll say before we jump to the last segment,

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Speaker 2: I'll say this for the people that don't like this,

570
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Speaker 2: and I've seen them, I will say, like there is risk,

571
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Speaker 2: like this could go like if Rossiel gets hurt, right,

572
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Speaker 2: there's real risk here. There's risk with every reliever that

573
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Speaker 2: you know, the volatility kicks up and you just get

574
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Speaker 2: the wrong side of it. I do think the durability

575
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Speaker 2: that he's shown over his basically his entire career matter

576
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Speaker 2: that conversation, he is shown to be a durable picture.

577
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Speaker 2: And so as much as any picture as a health risk.

578
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Speaker 2: Iglesias mitigates that as much as you can. And then

579
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Speaker 2: I saw people who didn't like it because he was

580
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Speaker 2: inconsistent last year. I would say the inconsistency was so

581
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Speaker 2: early and there was such a long track record of

582
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Speaker 2: being back to his normal self in the last half

583
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Speaker 2: of the season that again, that concern for me is mitigated.

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Speaker 2: But I get it if you're somebody who's got questions

585
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Speaker 2: about this or maybe doesn't love how much money they

586
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Speaker 2: spend on the closer, I get that. I'm not I don't.

587
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Speaker 2: I don't want to just ignore those that group of people.

588
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Speaker 2: But again, when you add in the durability, when you

589
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Speaker 2: add in the strikeouts are still very much there. He

590
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Speaker 2: still doesn't walk people, he misses bats, and you needed

591
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Speaker 2: a closer. I think this is a pretty good sign.

592
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Speaker 1: And I also think that some maybe have a bit

593
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Speaker 1: of fatigue when it comes to they don't want the

594
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Speaker 1: Braves to run it back too much. You know that

595
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Speaker 1: they don't. That's be consistent, you know, with this same

596
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Speaker 1: core group of players that over the past two years

597
00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 1: have struggled. But this isn't just you know, trying to

598
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Speaker 1: put a positive spin on things. This is legitimately the truth.

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Speaker 1: Besides Chris Sale, I think that you could point to

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Speaker 1: Ryce sol Iglesias as maybe being the biggest positive from

601
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Speaker 1: the past two years from this Brave's team. That I'm

602
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Speaker 1: sure that could be argued. But running it back with

603
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Speaker 1: Ryce sl Iglesias, that's a good thing, especially with how

604
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Speaker 1: good he ended last season. So certainly get why some

605
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Speaker 1: may not necessarily be big fans of the movie. Certainly

606
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Speaker 1: get why some may think that there's risks there. But again,

607
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Speaker 1: there's a lot of certainty when it comes to riceel Iglesias.

608
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Speaker 1: In many areas you need certainty elite performance, durability, consistency,

609
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Speaker 1: and so it's good to have that back at the

610
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Speaker 1: back end of the Brave's bullpen. But one thing that

611
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Speaker 1: also certainly stuck out one year, sixteen million dollars that

612
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Speaker 1: probably was a bit higher average annual value or annual

613
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Speaker 1: value in this case than some may have predicted. Where

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Speaker 1: does that put the Braves when it comes to payroll.

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Speaker 1: We'll discuss that in just a moment, So Steven, let's

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Speaker 1: get into it. You know, we talked about the fact that,

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Speaker 1: you know, we were hoping to see the Braves unlike

618
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Speaker 1: last offseason, really be able to flex their financial muscles

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Speaker 1: again and add where they needed to add this offseason.

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Speaker 1: This one year, sixty million dollars deal for Rice i Iglesias,

621
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Speaker 1: I think it can mean one of two things. It

622
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Speaker 1: could potentially mean that, hey, this was just going to

623
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Speaker 1: be the going rate for closers. We paid a little

624
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Speaker 1: bit extra to get it on to one year deal

625
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Speaker 1: and get it done early, which makes sense. But the

626
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Speaker 1: hope is is that this also means that the Braves

627
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Speaker 1: are willing to spend this much on a closer with

628
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Speaker 1: other more significant needs out there, perhaps they are going

629
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Speaker 1: to spin aggressively to get back to truly being one

630
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Speaker 1: of the best contenders in baseball. Where do you stand

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Speaker 1: as far as the payroll goal and what this potentially

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Speaker 1: could mean for the rest of the off season.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so just a real quick update. We had people

634
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Speaker 2: actually had a we were going to do this show

635
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Speaker 2: regardless because after all all of the options got declined.

636
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Speaker 2: You know, we had people asking like, where does payroll stand?

637
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Speaker 2: You know that after Kim declined his option and the

638
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 2: Braves declined the club options on the relievers. Well, now

639
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:14,960
Speaker 2: we have this another piece of information. So just a

640
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 2: real quick update on where the cash payroll stands, and

641
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Speaker 2: I'm just gonna stick to the guaranteed contract guys. The

642
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 2: arbitration guys will actually learn a lot about that on Friday,

643
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Speaker 2: because that is the non tender deadline, and the Braves

644
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Speaker 2: have to decide which guys off their non tender lists

645
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 2: are going to be tendered contracts and which guys are

646
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Speaker 2: going to be sent to the free agent pool.

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Speaker 3: So this is we're just gonna stick to the guaranteed contract.

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Speaker 2: Now, we'll do a show on Friday because that's a

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Speaker 2: that's a big deadline day, and we'll update that information.

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Speaker 2: So just for the guaranteed contracts, the Braves will sit

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Speaker 2: right at about one hundred and ninety three million. So

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Speaker 2: I'll give you the kind of the big ones. You

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Speaker 2: got Alsen at twenty two, you got Riley at twenty two,

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Speaker 2: you got Strider at twenty, you got chrys Sale at eighteen,

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Speaker 2: you got Acuna at seventeen. You have a Galacias at sixteen.

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Speaker 2: You have Profar and Murphy both at fifteen, and then

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Speaker 2: you have Ronaldo Lopez at fourteen, and those are kind

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Speaker 2: of all the you know, eight figure contract guys. There's

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Speaker 2: there's a couple below that that are significant. Aaron Bummer

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Speaker 2: at nine, Joejiman is at eight, Michael Harris at eight,

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Speaker 2: Ozzy Albi's at seven.

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Speaker 3: I think that's the whole list. So you add it

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Speaker 3: up all together, it's about.

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Speaker 2: One hundred and ninety three million dollars in cash where

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Speaker 2: they sit right now, And just for reference, last year

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Speaker 2: they spent around two hundred and fifteen million dollars in cash,

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Speaker 2: so they still have some room to go before they

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Speaker 2: get to last year's number, and presumably last year's number

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Speaker 2: should not be the benchmark. We're assuming they're going to

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Speaker 2: go past that number pretty aggressively. I'm not going to

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Speaker 2: get into the luxury tax stuff tonight. It's it's way

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Speaker 2: more convoluted, and it's it gets heady, and you have

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Speaker 2: to you have to include stuff that most people don't

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Speaker 2: understand and I don't feel like explaining or it really

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Speaker 2: doesn't even matter. Alex has said in the past they

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Speaker 2: go off cash payroll, so that's what it's just the

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Speaker 2: easiest one to use. It's the one the team uses,

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Speaker 2: so that's the one we're gonna use.

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Speaker 3: They say. At about one hundred and ninety three million,

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Speaker 3: right now.

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Speaker 2: And so they've got about about twenty million, twenty five million,

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Speaker 2: you go until they get to last year's number. But again,

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Speaker 2: we don't think last year's number is going to be

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Speaker 2: the benchmark. We think they're gonna go a bit higher

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Speaker 2: than that. And like you said, you can look at

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Speaker 2: this signing a couple of ways. Well, they spent sixteen

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Speaker 2: min on a closer. Clearly they got money to spend,

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Speaker 2: or you know, they they they knew they needed a

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Speaker 2: closer and just spend a big chunk of their budget

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Speaker 2: on a closer, and we'll see what else they can do.

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Speaker 2: I understand the cynical fans are gonna be more in

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Speaker 2: the B category and the positive fans are going to

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Speaker 2: be more in the A category. I'm gonna give the

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Speaker 2: team the benefit of the doubt until I see it.

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Speaker 2: I think they're gonna spend. I think they're gonna aggressively

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Speaker 2: add a starter, specifically so they can potentially put Grant

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Speaker 2: Homes Ronaldo Lopez in the bullpen because that kills two birds.

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Speaker 3: And I think they're gonna add a short stop.

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Speaker 2: I don't think they're gonna go into too next year

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Speaker 2: with Nick Allen as their short stop I think they're

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Speaker 2: gonna add a short stop.

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Speaker 3: But we'll see.

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Speaker 2: But that's where Perol sits right now. As an update

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Speaker 2: on the Iglesias signing around one hundred ninety three, they've

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Speaker 2: got to do the arb guys, all the arbitration guys,

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Speaker 2: and then you also have to add in the pre

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Speaker 2: arbitration players, but again we'll do that later in the offseason.

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Speaker 2: That's like the Schwellen Box and Drake Baldwins and guys

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Speaker 2: who haven't gotten to three years of service time yet.

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Speaker 2: You have to add all those guys in as well,

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Speaker 2: but just on guaranteed contracts. They send it about one

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Speaker 2: hundred and ninety three million, and we'll see what they

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Speaker 2: end up doing with it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, Again, let's put it this way. I think that

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Speaker 1: it's more encouraging that it is not that they went

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Speaker 1: ahead and they got this taken care of for a

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Speaker 1: multitude of reasons, payroll wise included. The good thing is

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Speaker 1: is that they now have got their closer in place,

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Speaker 1: and Steven, you know, one final thing that will close

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Speaker 1: on is this But you know, hey set that up

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Speaker 1: perfectly talking about the Braves' new closer. You know the

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Speaker 1: fact is is that when you look at this Braves

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Speaker 1: pitching staff right now. It again has been the strength

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Speaker 1: of this team over the past two years. I know

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Speaker 1: the offense performance wise is something that a lot of

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Speaker 1: people want to be able to improve. They clearly want

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Speaker 1: to be able to have more confidence in the offense

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Speaker 1: going forward, especially with the injuries that we've seen occurve

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Speaker 1: over the past couple of years. But I do like

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Speaker 1: the fact that Alex and Thopplis continues to focus on

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Speaker 1: having pitching truly be a strength of this team. It

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Speaker 1: matters so much to be able to have reliable arms

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Speaker 1: and especially Hey, I still want to talk about this

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Speaker 1: team from a playoff perspective. I still want to talk

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Speaker 1: about this team how they can structure themselves to be

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Speaker 1: able to advance in the playoffs, and having an arm

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Speaker 1: like Rycelaglasias with as consistent as he is, he's someone

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Speaker 1: who you can comfortably go and give the ball to

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Speaker 1: to get four or five outs. So this isn't just

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Speaker 1: about someone who can navigate through the regular season. I

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Speaker 1: think also the Braves clearly have confidence in him when

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Speaker 1: it comes to the postseason, and this is the type

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Speaker 1: of move that I think that a team that's looking

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Speaker 1: to contend, wants to make we want the bullpen to

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Speaker 1: be a strength. We know how important it is in

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Speaker 1: the postseason. So giving the ball to someone as reliable

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Speaker 1: as rycel I Gglasias, it's not just about what he

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Speaker 1: can do in the regular season when it comes to

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Speaker 1: his durability, it's him remaining effective in the postseason as well,

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Speaker 1: and I've got full confidence he can do that if

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Speaker 1: the Braids can get back there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you have to view this, I mean you have

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Speaker 2: to view this stuff through the lens of the postseason

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Speaker 2: as well, and every postseason we see how vital bullpens are,

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Speaker 2: I mean, brains Fans don't have to look any farther

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Speaker 2: than twenty twenty one when you can argue the most

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Speaker 2: important part of that twenty twenty one World Series run

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Speaker 2: was the night shift bullpen, which you know was lights out,

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Speaker 2: I mean just unbelievably good for that entire playoff run.

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Speaker 2: And if people remember, the Braves only had like Charlie

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Speaker 2: Morton and Max Freed in the rotation. They really didn't

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Speaker 2: have anybody else that they really trusted. I guess they

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Speaker 2: had Ian Anderson at the time, but the bullpen was

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Speaker 2: a massive part of that playoff run and if you

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Speaker 2: go watch any playoffs at any point, you will see

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Speaker 2: at time you know, starters get pulled in like the

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Speaker 2: fifth inning. They do not let starters go unless you're

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Speaker 2: a true bona fide as. They do not let you

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Speaker 2: pitch to any order a third time through the especially

771
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Speaker 2: in the postseason. So bullpens matter a ton now. I

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Speaker 2: do think teams have to be careful, especially with the Braves.

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Speaker 2: When you don't have the dudget of the budget of

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Speaker 2: the Dodgers, how much of your payroll you are using

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Speaker 2: on your bullpen.

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Speaker 3: But bullpen's matter. You have to have a good bullpen

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Speaker 3: to win in October. I really do believe that.

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Speaker 2: And in order to do that, you got to have

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Speaker 2: a guy in the ninth inning that you trust. The

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Speaker 2: Braves clearly trust rossi Oglesis. I trust rossi Oglesis.

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Speaker 3: I really do.

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Speaker 2: I think he can be a very good closer in

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty six. I think he can potentially be a

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Speaker 2: good closer in twenty twenty seven. So getting them on

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Speaker 2: a one year deal is huge and I have no

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Speaker 2: problem with this move Onceoever, I like this move. I

787
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 2: think it was a must. They needed a ninth inning guy.

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Speaker 2: They needed a proven closer and they got their guy.

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Speaker 1: Good to them. And the thing about it is is that, hey,

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Speaker 1: if we can talk more this offseason about the Braves

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Speaker 1: getting their guy coming out the past few seasons that

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Speaker 1: they have, that certainly should be the start of what

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Speaker 1: should be a successful offseason for this team to get

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Speaker 1: back into contention. But of course, when it comes to

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Speaker 1: the Braves, this is just the start. More news, more

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Speaker 1: potential rumors were out there today. We're going to talk

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Speaker 1: more about that later on this week. Of course, as

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Speaker 1: Steven mentioned, Friday is a very important day four teams

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Speaker 1: across Major League Baseball when it comes to the off

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Speaker 1: season calendar. And we're going to be back with you, Steven.

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Speaker 1: Anything else from you as we wrap up this edition

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Speaker 1: an emergency podcast edition. Welcome back to Atlanta, Iggy of

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Speaker 1: the Hammer Territory Podcast.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, just one big check, right, Like if you have

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Speaker 2: the off season to do list, that's.

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Speaker 3: One big check on a very big item.

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Speaker 2: You know, arguably the third or fourth biggest item was

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Speaker 2: proven closer. They need bullpen help, they still need they

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00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:23,480
Speaker 2: still need more bullpen help, but like proven closer was

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Speaker 2: a big item.

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Speaker 3: And so that's just one big green check.

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Speaker 2: That we already got out of the way before Thanksgiving.

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Speaker 2: So they shouldn't be done. There should there should be

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Speaker 2: nowhere close to done. There should there should just be

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Speaker 2: one of several emergency podcasts we do this offseason. But

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Speaker 2: to go ahead and get a big green check on

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Speaker 2: the board before Thanksgiving is a big deal.

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Speaker 3: It's a good move.

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Speaker 2: One year, sixteen million rossioglasiis welcome back, and we'll see

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Speaker 2: where they go from here.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, and where we're gonna go from here is making

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Speaker 1: quality content nearly every day giving you coverage, giving you

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Speaker 1: analysis of whatever the Braves do and what we anticipate

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Speaker 1: they could do throughout the off season. For Steven Tolbert,

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Speaker 1: you'll find him at b Underscore Outliers on Twitter, slash x.

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Speaker 1: start of a busy and successful offseason. Until next time,

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