1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:19,360 Speaker 1: Oh, beat force. If it doesn't work, you're just not 2 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:24,880 Speaker 1: using enough. You're listening to Software Up Radio, Special Operations, 3 00:00:24,920 --> 00:01:06,040 Speaker 1: military news and straight talk with the guys and the community. 4 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:13,160 Speaker 1: Welcome to software a radio on time and on target. 5 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:16,360 Speaker 1: This week it's Big Field campaign again from across the Bonds, 6 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:18,920 Speaker 1: talking to you from London this time, and we've got 7 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:20,880 Speaker 1: some topics this week for you. I'm going to cover 8 00:01:20,959 --> 00:01:23,640 Speaker 1: one of my dogs, hunting Dog this week and some 9 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:27,080 Speaker 1: of you might be surprised by it's by his background 10 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:28,920 Speaker 1: and actually what it was bread forth, so that's comite. 11 00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:30,760 Speaker 1: It's gonna be interesting, one of the dogs. So last, 12 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:32,920 Speaker 1: we've obviously got the UK elections, which you're going on 13 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:35,440 Speaker 1: right now, and i'd like to start a new thing 14 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:37,960 Speaker 1: with you and give you a broad brush of what 15 00:01:37,959 --> 00:01:41,240 Speaker 1: we used to call the Troubles or Operation Banner, which 16 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:44,520 Speaker 1: was the operation in Northern Ireland which went on for 17 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:46,160 Speaker 1: quite some time. But we'll touch all that and a 18 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:50,120 Speaker 1: bit as start them, very very briefly with the elections. 19 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:52,560 Speaker 1: I know I've spoke a lot about the elections in 20 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:55,880 Speaker 1: the last few weeks, but it's obviously it's going on now. 21 00:01:56,120 --> 00:01:58,880 Speaker 1: It affects all of us in the UK, and it 22 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:02,559 Speaker 1: could affect things like trade relations, etcetera with the US. 23 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:05,280 Speaker 1: So you're not completely out of the water by the 24 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 1: decisions that people make in this country. How's it going 25 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 1: over here? While there are only as I've alluded to 26 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:15,480 Speaker 1: before on my live show on Software's Facebook page, there 27 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:18,840 Speaker 1: are only two parties here. You're either Conservative or your Labor. 28 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:22,160 Speaker 1: In my opinion, anybody else casting a vote anywhere else 29 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:24,560 Speaker 1: whatsoever is just wasting their vote. You're not going to 30 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:27,799 Speaker 1: make a difference to the outcomedy election. You really are, Okay. 31 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:31,000 Speaker 1: So there are various other parties, the Liberal Democrats, the 32 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:34,520 Speaker 1: Brexit Party, it's party out party, other party, but understand 33 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:37,560 Speaker 1: any chance of winning anything, you need to be voting 34 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:42,120 Speaker 1: for Conservative or Labor, both who claimed to represent the 35 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:47,960 Speaker 1: working man, although Labor more so, and both parties of 36 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:51,959 Speaker 1: which promise all sorts of different things but in reality 37 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 1: failed to deliver absolutely anything. As you can tell, I'm 38 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 1: not I'm not massively into my politics. I have actually 39 00:02:57,919 --> 00:03:01,000 Speaker 1: I've actually been on Sky News for a few politics shows, 40 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:04,959 Speaker 1: but it's not something I enjoy. Politics nowadays, they never 41 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:06,520 Speaker 1: seem that we had to get it together for the 42 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:08,800 Speaker 1: good and benefit of everybody in the country. There's too 43 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:11,760 Speaker 1: much rowing, there's too much arguing, there's too much back 44 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:14,799 Speaker 1: biting and points scoring, and it really is a difficult 45 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:18,920 Speaker 1: thing that to to unravel this year. However, in particular, 46 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:20,880 Speaker 1: there is a there is a connotation to this, to 47 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:24,800 Speaker 1: this year's election in particular whereby I think if the 48 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:27,400 Speaker 1: Labor Party get in, it is an absolute snub on 49 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:31,880 Speaker 1: our armed forces and our veterans community, because the current 50 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 1: Labor leader has failed repeatedly to denounce his support for 51 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:42,400 Speaker 1: various terrorist organizations around the planet. You can't deny that 52 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:45,520 Speaker 1: these relationships have gone on. He can't deny that he's 53 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:50,080 Speaker 1: forged quite happy friendships with the Irish Republican Army, with 54 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:53,600 Speaker 1: Hammas and various other groups. It's there to be seen, 55 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:55,960 Speaker 1: and he won't deny it. He just won't denounce their 56 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:59,000 Speaker 1: activities and whatever. He can't do that. There's a feeling 57 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:02,200 Speaker 1: within the community, how could we ever have somebody in 58 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:06,160 Speaker 1: charge of us who actually represents the very people we've 59 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 1: put our boots on and gone gone up against. So 60 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:12,120 Speaker 1: it's a very very difficult on this election because there 61 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:15,880 Speaker 1: are too many people voting who don't really understand the 62 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:19,239 Speaker 1: problems and they only see what they're promised by these people. 63 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:24,760 Speaker 1: And obviously Jeremy Corbyn from the Labor Party promises universities, 64 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:27,800 Speaker 1: the world promises students, the world promises old people, the 65 00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:31,000 Speaker 1: world promises nurses and all the rest of them. The world. 66 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 1: Can they deliver now? I doubt it. Will they deliver, 67 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:37,800 Speaker 1: definitely not. But what they will do if they get 68 00:04:37,839 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 1: in power is he in particular, it has already been 69 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 1: cited by M I five and I M I six 70 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:47,240 Speaker 1: as not fit for security clearance in this country. Yet 71 00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:49,200 Speaker 1: he can end up as the Prime minister. It's an 72 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:51,960 Speaker 1: absolute joke. So I should be watching the elections very 73 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 1: carefully to see how it unfolds, and I shall be 74 00:04:55,320 --> 00:04:59,160 Speaker 1: hand on heart praying that the Labor Parties do not win. 75 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:01,240 Speaker 1: At this day, st is your the campaign while Jeremy 76 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:04,080 Speaker 1: Corbyn is still in charge of their party, because I 77 00:05:04,120 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 1: don't believe he has the interests of the country or 78 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:10,239 Speaker 1: the majority of people who are British in his own interests. 79 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:12,920 Speaker 1: He's on his own agenda. He's definitely you know, he's 80 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 1: definitely wants sponsor socialism and all that sort of stuff. 81 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:19,279 Speaker 1: He just isn't what I would say the others aren't. 82 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:21,520 Speaker 1: I gotta tell you, right, So you look at you 83 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:23,720 Speaker 1: look at Boris Johnson. You know, people call him a 84 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 1: bumbling before and all the rest of the stuff, But 85 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:28,680 Speaker 1: at the two of them, I'm afraid for me, he's 86 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:30,800 Speaker 1: more likely to do good for this country. So, like 87 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:32,600 Speaker 1: I said, we'll just keep what are now. Things pan 88 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:36,120 Speaker 1: out however they pan out, although you know, with Brexit, 89 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:37,960 Speaker 1: I mean, we voted to leave the European Union and 90 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:40,240 Speaker 1: it still hasn't happened yet, so who knows how the 91 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:42,280 Speaker 1: elections are going to end? Are we even a democratic 92 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:44,479 Speaker 1: state in the UK anymore? Or do we just do 93 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:47,120 Speaker 1: what we're told? Or do we just keep voting until 94 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:49,839 Speaker 1: we get the answer that the minimum people want rather 95 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:51,440 Speaker 1: than what the majority want. Is that the way it is, 96 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:53,520 Speaker 1: because that's the way it looks to me, it really does. 97 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:55,360 Speaker 1: I'm not going to get all political on you, but 98 00:05:55,839 --> 00:05:58,279 Speaker 1: let's say politics, it's a very very sad state of 99 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:01,000 Speaker 1: affairs nowadays in the UK, as it is around the 100 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:03,839 Speaker 1: rest of the world. And although you know you'd like 101 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 1: to you ain't never ever going to keep everybody happy, 102 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:10,520 Speaker 1: but you would like to think you at least you 103 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:13,080 Speaker 1: at least managers to keep you keep your country in 104 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:19,479 Speaker 1: a in a rarely fairly happy state. But the politics. Okay, So, 105 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:22,800 Speaker 1: as I promised, I'm gonna do the dogs last I think. 106 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:24,440 Speaker 1: But what I want to talk to you about, first 107 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:26,799 Speaker 1: of all, last time on the subject of the Irish 108 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:31,320 Speaker 1: Republican Army, it's the troubles. Quite thought like broad brush 109 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:34,600 Speaker 1: the troubles. While it was more than trouble, it was 110 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:37,280 Speaker 1: it was over three decades worth of trouble. That's more 111 00:06:37,320 --> 00:06:40,200 Speaker 1: than trouble to me. It was known as Operation Banner, 112 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:41,919 Speaker 1: And I'm going to give you a little bit of 113 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:45,560 Speaker 1: background information as to how things unfolded, and then a 114 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:49,279 Speaker 1: little bit of information on how the whole thing started, 115 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:51,919 Speaker 1: because it isn't something that just started in the sixties, 116 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:56,200 Speaker 1: and it's something that goes way back to the sixteen hundreds, 117 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:58,640 Speaker 1: and probably some would argue before that as well. So 118 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 1: there's been bad blood in Ireland for well past anybody 119 00:07:03,880 --> 00:07:06,520 Speaker 1: here can can remember. It really has been a it 120 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:09,120 Speaker 1: really has been an uphill struggle for the people of 121 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:12,600 Speaker 1: Ireland for years and years and years. And so Operation 122 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:15,840 Speaker 1: Banner came into force and the forteenth of August nineteen 123 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:19,520 Speaker 1: six and went on until the thirty one July two 124 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:23,960 Speaker 1: thousand and seven. It was the largest deployment continually of 125 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:26,480 Speaker 1: British troops in the history of the British Army. How 126 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:29,520 Speaker 1: did it all begin there? Well, of the recent troubles, 127 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:33,200 Speaker 1: we can we can date it back to nineteen and 128 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:37,200 Speaker 1: basically what was happening the Catholic national nationalists. We're a 129 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:40,080 Speaker 1: minority and they were trying. They were they were rallying 130 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 1: to end what they saw as discrimination against them by 131 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:47,640 Speaker 1: the Union or Protestants who had most of the seats 132 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:51,600 Speaker 1: within the government and the police. They felt crushed. Obviously 133 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:56,200 Speaker 1: Northern Ireland was you know, was and is British. Okay, 134 00:07:56,360 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 1: it's it's it's our corner of that island. With the 135 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:04,560 Speaker 1: Catholics nationalists wishing for a United Island. They didn't they 136 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:06,080 Speaker 1: didn't want nothing to do with the Crown. They don't 137 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:07,920 Speaker 1: want nothing to do with the British They wanted a 138 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:11,320 Speaker 1: United Island. Okay. As a minority, they were claiming to 139 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:14,280 Speaker 1: be discriminated against against the Unions who did want to 140 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 1: remain under the control of the Crown. Okay. So that's 141 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:19,840 Speaker 1: what you've basically got. That's how it was teed up Now, 142 00:08:19,880 --> 00:08:24,000 Speaker 1: originally the British soldiers were deployed because it got to 143 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:27,320 Speaker 1: such a stage where whilst the Catholics were demonstrating, the 144 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:31,040 Speaker 1: violence erupted. It was deemed that and there was a 145 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:34,199 Speaker 1: couple of incidents where where the police were heavy handed 146 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:38,520 Speaker 1: and people were hurt, and so the British Army went 147 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:42,000 Speaker 1: over there as an intermediary force, as a go between, 148 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:44,920 Speaker 1: as a stand between the two two communities, which is 149 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:48,480 Speaker 1: a very very difficult and thankless task in any capacity 150 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:51,000 Speaker 1: to do that sort of thing, especially when you're coming 151 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:54,120 Speaker 1: from your being sent by the crown to stand up 152 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:57,920 Speaker 1: for both sides. It's a very thankless task. And indeed, 153 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:01,960 Speaker 1: as as as I've just alluded to, immediately they were 154 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:05,600 Speaker 1: welcomed by the Catholic nationalist people because they were a 155 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:08,680 Speaker 1: barrier between them and all this trouble that was going 156 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:11,520 Speaker 1: on between between the two communities. Okay, so they were 157 00:09:11,559 --> 00:09:16,200 Speaker 1: seen as wow, thanks, thanks, you've come, you've saved us. Okay. 158 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 1: But it's said it didn't last very long, that's what 159 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:22,240 Speaker 1: they call the honeymoon period. Didn't last for long at all. 160 00:09:22,640 --> 00:09:24,920 Speaker 1: It's soon sort of like spilled over with a couple 161 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:27,559 Speaker 1: of incidents which I'm going to go into in more 162 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:31,480 Speaker 1: detailed later on. It's soon spilled over that the Catholics 163 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:35,600 Speaker 1: rose up against the British Army, who then in turn 164 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:39,880 Speaker 1: dug in against them while still trying to provide this 165 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:43,679 Speaker 1: barrier between the Unionists and the Theist It was an 166 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:46,079 Speaker 1: insane position, that being for the British Army, to be honest, 167 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:48,400 Speaker 1: because they did have a duty of care to look 168 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:54,000 Speaker 1: after everybody, but one part of the community was actually fighting, bombing, shooting, bricking, 169 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:59,640 Speaker 1: spitting on all this stuff, you know, repeatedly attacking the 170 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:02,720 Speaker 1: British forces. Okay, so it's very difficult to take a 171 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 1: neutral stance when you're actually physically being attacked by one 172 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:08,560 Speaker 1: side of the community. Now there's obviously escalated into the 173 00:10:08,559 --> 00:10:11,000 Speaker 1: full blown troubles, and over a period of years it 174 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:12,600 Speaker 1: went on and on and on. Let's let's have a 175 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:14,640 Speaker 1: look before I go any further with this, let's have 176 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:18,560 Speaker 1: a look at the actual background in terms of history. 177 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:21,480 Speaker 1: All right, in terms of actual history, one of the 178 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:23,960 Speaker 1: first ones we go back to is right back in 179 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:28,880 Speaker 1: the sixteen hundreds, right back in sixteen sixteen o nine, 180 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:30,679 Speaker 1: and well, I don't even know if America was a 181 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:32,920 Speaker 1: country in the sixteen o nine. At sixteen o nine, 182 00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:35,120 Speaker 1: that's a long time ago, all right, But this is 183 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:37,040 Speaker 1: where this stuff's can come back to it. In sixteen 184 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:42,440 Speaker 1: o nine, Scottish and English settlers moved over and they 185 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:44,679 Speaker 1: were called planters. Now they were called planters, and they 186 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:48,439 Speaker 1: moved into land which was relinquished by landowners who had 187 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:51,400 Speaker 1: no one to leave the land too. So they basically 188 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:54,640 Speaker 1: occupied space which was going to rack and ruins. So 189 00:10:54,679 --> 00:10:58,120 Speaker 1: these settlers from the UK, all right, the planters came 190 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:01,520 Speaker 1: over and occupied lands that had no ownership right and 191 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:03,160 Speaker 1: they were given this land by the by the people 192 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:04,920 Speaker 1: of Ireland. They would said, you know, you have this land, 193 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:06,920 Speaker 1: we have no one to is just going to go 194 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:09,480 Speaker 1: to waste. You have this land, you come and live it, okay. 195 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:13,960 Speaker 1: So initially they were welcome as guests. Now this is 196 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:18,040 Speaker 1: where displacement of people is always ambiguous, because after a 197 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:22,319 Speaker 1: small period of time, these people, the plant has their presence, 198 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:25,600 Speaker 1: grew stronger and stronger and stronger, and before you know it, 199 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:28,679 Speaker 1: they're moving into disputed territory. They're taking over land that 200 00:11:28,679 --> 00:11:31,520 Speaker 1: they shouldn't be taken over. They're taking over land that 201 00:11:31,559 --> 00:11:34,240 Speaker 1: nobody should has got any claim to. So they're just 202 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:37,280 Speaker 1: getting bigger and bigger. And in a couple of the counties, 203 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:42,120 Speaker 1: particularly Antrim and down this started to result in conflict 204 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:45,160 Speaker 1: between the native Catholics and the planters. And it's led 205 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:48,760 Speaker 1: in turn to two religious conflicts. Now these are religious conflicts. 206 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:52,560 Speaker 1: Now this is straight Catholic versus Protestant. This is religion. 207 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:56,560 Speaker 1: This is all about religion. Okay. It's not even documented 208 00:11:56,600 --> 00:11:59,160 Speaker 1: as mentioning who they were, where they were from is 209 00:11:59,240 --> 00:12:01,720 Speaker 1: mentioned as we're religious, okay. And they were known as 210 00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:06,120 Speaker 1: the Irish Confederate Wars between sixteen forty one and sixteen 211 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:09,240 Speaker 1: fifty three, that was the Confederate Wars and the Willemite 212 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:13,040 Speaker 1: War between sixteen eighty nine and sixteen ninety one. Both 213 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:17,280 Speaker 1: these wars were fought in and contested, but both were 214 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:20,800 Speaker 1: one by the Protestants. Okay. They then started to dominate 215 00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:24,200 Speaker 1: the northern areas of Ireland. Some areas down south were 216 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:26,680 Speaker 1: also beginning to become sort of infiltrated by them. So 217 00:12:26,760 --> 00:12:30,600 Speaker 1: their presence on on Ireland had now become more than 218 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:32,560 Speaker 1: just you know what, you have this farmer, you have 219 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:33,920 Speaker 1: that farmer, you have this bit of land, you have 220 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:37,040 Speaker 1: that bit of land. They were now embedded, ingrained, they 221 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:40,199 Speaker 1: had communities, they had a large presence there, a large 222 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:43,840 Speaker 1: presence which eventually would leave to the some of the 223 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:46,040 Speaker 1: county's breaking away and becoming part of the Crown in 224 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:49,040 Speaker 1: the UK seventeen ninety one to ninety and followed the 225 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:52,600 Speaker 1: foundation the Republican Society of the United Irishman by Presbyterians, 226 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:56,560 Speaker 1: Catholics and Liberal Anglicans who all club together to try 227 00:12:56,600 --> 00:12:59,559 Speaker 1: and cosh the Protestants. They had a failed rebellion in 228 00:12:59,679 --> 00:13:05,160 Speaker 1: seven and sectarian violence between Catholics and Protestants continued. So 229 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:07,880 Speaker 1: you can see even as far back as seventeen one 230 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:13,680 Speaker 1: there was sectarian violence, sectarian violence being Protestant versus Catholic. Okay, 231 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:17,199 Speaker 1: And I can't stress this enough, this Protestant versus Catholic thing. 232 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:19,440 Speaker 1: And it's one of the things that even now when 233 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:22,160 Speaker 1: you speak to some people, even in Scotland, and somebody 234 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:24,840 Speaker 1: estates up there who for the want of me, I 235 00:13:24,840 --> 00:13:27,400 Speaker 1: can't imagine why why they get so involved? And so 236 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:29,240 Speaker 1: he did. When it was the Scottish with the with 237 00:13:29,280 --> 00:13:32,079 Speaker 1: the English, who have men who who originally first one 238 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:35,160 Speaker 1: over there together, it's very difficult for some of these 239 00:13:35,160 --> 00:13:37,400 Speaker 1: people to actually understand because they don't understand this. This 240 00:13:37,520 --> 00:13:41,160 Speaker 1: history goes back a long long way. I speak to ulsterman, 241 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:43,840 Speaker 1: I speak to Irishman, and I speak to people from 242 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:46,760 Speaker 1: both sides of the community who don't understand this. So 243 00:13:47,160 --> 00:13:50,040 Speaker 1: when I hear people banging on about it in places 244 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:53,680 Speaker 1: like Scotland, you know, young lads twenty years old supporting 245 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:57,080 Speaker 1: clubs like Celtic, you know, wanting harm on the British 246 00:13:57,200 --> 00:13:59,320 Speaker 1: Army because of the troubles in Northern Ireland. They don't 247 00:13:59,320 --> 00:14:01,760 Speaker 1: even know what the troubles were about. They weren't even 248 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:04,120 Speaker 1: alive and it was still going on. It's ridiculous, it 249 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:05,800 Speaker 1: really is. But there you go. That's my little round 250 00:14:05,800 --> 00:14:08,200 Speaker 1: over on that. Okay, So coming on up in the 251 00:14:08,280 --> 00:14:11,560 Speaker 1: ninety two, but a second decade of the twentieth century, 252 00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:15,160 Speaker 1: Home rule or Irish self governance was on the brink 253 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:19,200 Speaker 1: of being conceded due to to the agitation of the 254 00:14:19,240 --> 00:14:22,720 Speaker 1: Irish Parliamentary Party. Okay, so the Ulster Covenant was going 255 00:14:22,760 --> 00:14:24,480 Speaker 1: to come into the force, and then it was going 256 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:27,440 Speaker 1: to you know, they carved up the land, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera. 257 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:31,480 Speaker 1: You're now starting to see different parties representing different things. 258 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:34,200 Speaker 1: You're starting to see the emergence in proper of the 259 00:14:34,240 --> 00:14:38,480 Speaker 1: Irish Republican Army, the UVF, the Ulster Volunteer Force is 260 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:41,440 Speaker 1: beginning to look more molded into the sort of stuff 261 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:44,520 Speaker 1: that we saw later on in the sixties, the Irish 262 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:47,720 Speaker 1: Volunteers split, with a majority known as the National Volunteers, 263 00:14:47,960 --> 00:14:50,720 Speaker 1: supporting the war effort. All right, So you can now 264 00:14:50,760 --> 00:14:52,640 Speaker 1: see we now got into First World War and Second 265 00:14:52,640 --> 00:14:56,760 Speaker 1: World War territory where the good of the whole of Ireland, 266 00:14:56,960 --> 00:14:59,760 Speaker 1: regardless of whether you wanted to be British or not British, 267 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:03,120 Speaker 1: at jeopardy from Germany. All right, Now we've got now 268 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:05,160 Speaker 1: we've got a proper war going on. Now we've got 269 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:07,600 Speaker 1: people trying to take everything offers, all right. So there 270 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:10,360 Speaker 1: was an element in Ireland who club together and fought 271 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:14,560 Speaker 1: bravely alongside our troops are American troops, you know, European counterparts, 272 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:17,280 Speaker 1: all that sort of stuff. Everybody club together to battle 273 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:19,920 Speaker 1: the Germans, which we did. But then once things is 274 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:23,120 Speaker 1: settled down, you know, later on that century, in around 275 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:26,040 Speaker 1: the sixties, it started picking up again, you know, but 276 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:29,400 Speaker 1: this time a marginalize woman at the Irish Republican RDY 277 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:32,840 Speaker 1: survived the Irish Civil War. This would become a major 278 00:15:32,880 --> 00:15:35,800 Speaker 1: impact in Northern Ireland. All right, So in the late sixties, 279 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:37,200 Speaker 1: let's have a look at the let's look a few 280 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:39,960 Speaker 1: of the timelines. Now, then, in the late sixties, there's 281 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:42,320 Speaker 1: little argument on the exact date of the start of 282 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:46,080 Speaker 1: the troubles. Different writers have suggested different dates. These include 283 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:48,960 Speaker 1: the formation of the modern Olfster Volunteer Force ninety sixty six, 284 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:52,480 Speaker 1: or civil rights smarts in Londonderry in nineties sixty eight 285 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:55,200 Speaker 1: and the beginning of the Battle of the Box Side 286 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:57,840 Speaker 1: on the twelfth of August sixty nine, or do you 287 00:15:57,880 --> 00:15:59,680 Speaker 1: go right back to the deploy of the British troops 288 00:15:59,680 --> 00:16:03,120 Speaker 1: on the four in August nine? Wherever you believe the 289 00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:05,840 Speaker 1: troubles started. The troubles as well, you know them today, 290 00:16:05,880 --> 00:16:08,800 Speaker 1: started in the sixties, without a doubt, Okay, that is, 291 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:10,880 Speaker 1: that is, without a doubt when the troubles as we 292 00:16:10,960 --> 00:16:13,480 Speaker 1: know them started. So let's just give you a quick, 293 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:17,400 Speaker 1: a quick sort of like a quick splurge over over 294 00:16:17,520 --> 00:16:20,800 Speaker 1: some of the events that happened in almost ninety sixty nine. 295 00:16:20,840 --> 00:16:24,160 Speaker 1: There was riots and a massive after Marfa K all this, 296 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:27,320 Speaker 1: it's really difficult. It's going to take me more than 297 00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:30,600 Speaker 1: one show to explain all this properly. But throughout all 298 00:16:30,640 --> 00:16:33,480 Speaker 1: this trouble that they've had, they still have every year 299 00:16:33,560 --> 00:16:37,680 Speaker 1: Apprentice Boys of Londonderry marching and as they do in 300 00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:40,520 Speaker 1: their marching season, So there's always been this sort of 301 00:16:40,520 --> 00:16:44,000 Speaker 1: like one upmanship on their neighbors, all right, So there's 302 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:46,360 Speaker 1: always a show of strength from one community against another. 303 00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:48,960 Speaker 1: None of it, by the way, helps, but you know 304 00:16:49,280 --> 00:16:52,360 Speaker 1: you can understand why they do it. So nine sixty 305 00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:55,479 Speaker 1: nine is riots. By the time we get into the seventies, 306 00:16:55,560 --> 00:16:58,440 Speaker 1: violence peaks and storm and collapses a case. So now 307 00:16:58,800 --> 00:17:02,720 Speaker 1: we're probably a roper situation now where the military get 308 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:05,920 Speaker 1: deployed in full strength. There are on the streets properly 309 00:17:06,480 --> 00:17:10,280 Speaker 1: in response to that. The IRA they're bolstering their numbers, 310 00:17:10,320 --> 00:17:13,719 Speaker 1: they're recruiting. Obviously, we're now seen as invaders, and I've 311 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:16,000 Speaker 1: gotta say you, if you invaded London, I'd stand and 312 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:18,960 Speaker 1: fire against anybody that came in. So it's not that 313 00:17:19,320 --> 00:17:22,359 Speaker 1: I'm going to turn around and disagree with some of 314 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:24,880 Speaker 1: the motives and the reasons to why these people got involved. 315 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:28,720 Speaker 1: What I do strongly disagree. 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Imagine when as 344 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:48,879 Speaker 1: far as this problem is gold And it was Bloody Sunday, 345 00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:53,000 Speaker 1: and I've had discussion on discussion on discussion about Bloody Sunday. 346 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:55,880 Speaker 1: I've actually met some of the guys and Bloody Sunday. 347 00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:58,320 Speaker 1: I've seen the aftermath of Bloody Sunday off seeing the 348 00:18:58,320 --> 00:19:02,120 Speaker 1: accusations flying both so and we will do a separate 349 00:19:02,119 --> 00:19:05,359 Speaker 1: show completely on Bloody Sunday. But basically, there was a 350 00:19:05,400 --> 00:19:07,960 Speaker 1: stand too in the box side at the bottom of 351 00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:12,720 Speaker 1: the Rossville Flats where firing started. Okay, both sides will 352 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:15,159 Speaker 1: say that the other side started it, but no matter what. 353 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:17,440 Speaker 1: In the aftermath, there were quite a few civilians left 354 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:20,800 Speaker 1: dead when they were discovered they were unarmed. That's not 355 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:22,639 Speaker 1: to say that the weapons weren't taken off them or 356 00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:24,200 Speaker 1: anything like that. I'm not going to suggest that for 357 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:26,760 Speaker 1: a minute, okay, But we were, like I said, we'll 358 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:29,480 Speaker 1: do a separate show in this altogether. But the aftermath 359 00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:31,760 Speaker 1: of that was that they claimed that they had been 360 00:19:31,800 --> 00:19:35,439 Speaker 1: fired upon as in instant civilians the parachute Regiment who 361 00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:37,120 Speaker 1: were involved heavily, and it said no, no, no, no, 362 00:19:37,119 --> 00:19:40,600 Speaker 1: no no, the IRA attacked does And so this standoff 363 00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:45,119 Speaker 1: and this court cases and this hatred and the trust 364 00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:48,520 Speaker 1: moreover within the community was completely lost, okay. And the 365 00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:51,919 Speaker 1: hatred excelled cell to a new level with Bloody Sunday. 366 00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:54,719 Speaker 1: So no matter how you see it, how you call it, 367 00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:57,840 Speaker 1: how you want to how you want to go about things, 368 00:19:58,040 --> 00:20:00,760 Speaker 1: Bloody Sunday did no favors for the for the for 369 00:20:00,800 --> 00:20:03,639 Speaker 1: the peace in Northern Ireland, right, escalated things to a 370 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:06,919 Speaker 1: new level, all right. And in response to that there 371 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:09,439 Speaker 1: were several heinous attacks by the I r A. And 372 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:11,800 Speaker 1: then in response for that, there's more deployment of troops 373 00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:13,560 Speaker 1: and you can see how things built up. So we're 374 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:16,840 Speaker 1: now we're now in the seventies, we're at full tilt 375 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:21,400 Speaker 1: mid seventies and later seventies, the whole thing is still 376 00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:24,520 Speaker 1: going off, but the Lake Centeries war weariness was visible 377 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:27,240 Speaker 1: in both communities, all right. People were getting sick of 378 00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:29,520 Speaker 1: this after the first ten years on both sides of 379 00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:32,360 Speaker 1: the thing. And don't forget in every conflict area I've 380 00:20:32,359 --> 00:20:33,920 Speaker 1: been to, and I've been to a few of my time, 381 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:37,160 Speaker 1: including Northern Ireland where I served. I've served around five 382 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:40,439 Speaker 1: years over there on operational duty. There's a lot of 383 00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:43,000 Speaker 1: people in all these areas, everywhere I've ever been, that 384 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:45,720 Speaker 1: I don't want war, that just want peace, that want 385 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:47,919 Speaker 1: to be able to cut around their everyday life and 386 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:50,919 Speaker 1: do their everyday thing, all right, And for whatever reason, 387 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:55,600 Speaker 1: after a while this starts, these conflicts start affecting everybody, 388 00:20:55,760 --> 00:20:59,160 Speaker 1: either a displacement of people or the communities are getting 389 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:03,200 Speaker 1: worn down. It's a horrible thing to watch. In one 390 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:04,960 Speaker 1: I'm trying to get my facts right here, so that's 391 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:07,639 Speaker 1: why I'm reading a few things off my notes. In 392 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:11,560 Speaker 1: Irish Hunger Strike, ten Republican prisoners, seven from the Provisional 393 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:15,440 Speaker 1: IRA and free from Inland, died of starvation. The first 394 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:18,960 Speaker 1: striker to die was a guy called Bobby sands. Again, 395 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:22,639 Speaker 1: they were trying to get themselves treated as prisoners of war, 396 00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:25,359 Speaker 1: these terrorists that were being and I don't agree with 397 00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:28,199 Speaker 1: that at all. They were terrorists, their criminals. All right, 398 00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:31,240 Speaker 1: they get locked away, but they didn't. They kicked and rebelled, 399 00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:33,280 Speaker 1: and we had the blanket people where they shipped all 400 00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:35,159 Speaker 1: over their cells. They refused to wash and all this 401 00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:37,679 Speaker 1: sort of stuff, and in the end they went on 402 00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:41,719 Speaker 1: strike until they started dying. Bobby Sounds being the first. Again, 403 00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:44,520 Speaker 1: I would do a whole piece on this incident, but 404 00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:47,440 Speaker 1: it was another thing that helped to propel the thing 405 00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:50,720 Speaker 1: into the next ten years. Ten years morning in the 406 00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:55,440 Speaker 1: ninety nineties, n the ira A continued it's on armed campaign. 407 00:21:55,960 --> 00:22:01,159 Speaker 1: It now had a larger political winder called Shin piloted 408 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:04,880 Speaker 1: by the likes of Jerry Adams and Martin McGuinness. They 409 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:07,720 Speaker 1: were trying to get political but with the same aims. 410 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:12,560 Speaker 1: They still in my opinion, supported the activities of the 411 00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:16,000 Speaker 1: Irish Republican Army, but they probably at this stage realized 412 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:18,320 Speaker 1: that they need to they needed to try and negotiate 413 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:20,639 Speaker 1: on a different plane or they were never going to 414 00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:24,439 Speaker 1: go anywhere with any of this. Because the British government's 415 00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:27,760 Speaker 1: stance on terrorism and it will be forever, is we 416 00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:31,200 Speaker 1: don't negotiate with terrorists. We can't do You can't negotiate 417 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:34,560 Speaker 1: with terrorists. You can't be held to ransom because somebody 418 00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:37,000 Speaker 1: is going to terrorize you. You just can't do it. 419 00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:39,320 Speaker 1: As a country. You will go down the tubes if 420 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:41,760 Speaker 1: you do so. Then he stuff started up, and then 421 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:44,560 Speaker 1: in the UK on the main land they pub they 422 00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:48,080 Speaker 1: bombed pubs, innocent civilians now, not even going after people 423 00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:50,280 Speaker 1: in uniform. They bombed pubs. So the Irish came over here, 424 00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:53,639 Speaker 1: they bombed pubs, They did the attack on Hyde Park. 425 00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:56,920 Speaker 1: They'll say that in response we shot three of them 426 00:22:56,920 --> 00:23:00,040 Speaker 1: in Gibraltar, which we did, but they didn't tell I 427 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:01,560 Speaker 1: didn't suggests that they were going to blow it. So 428 00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:03,640 Speaker 1: it was real tip for tat stuff. Now. And I'm 429 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:05,800 Speaker 1: going to go into each one of these incidents. In fact, 430 00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:07,720 Speaker 1: I'm going to do a show for you from Gibraltar, 431 00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:09,840 Speaker 1: and I'm going to go through that whole incident from 432 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:11,840 Speaker 1: from start to finish and how they were led to 433 00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:14,360 Speaker 1: how the whole thing unfolded, So that would be quite interesting. 434 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:17,600 Speaker 1: But but then the end went into a period of ceasefires, 435 00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:22,000 Speaker 1: and there were two two main cease fires, of which 436 00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:25,639 Speaker 1: I was out there for one in particular. And even 437 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:28,600 Speaker 1: though there were ceasefires on, there was still an undercurrent 438 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:31,320 Speaker 1: of activity happening in the back. And even once the 439 00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:35,120 Speaker 1: political place, the political process started to kick in, there 440 00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:39,480 Speaker 1: was still a massive level of mistrust between all involved. Okay, 441 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:42,679 Speaker 1: it's it's a really difficult it's a really difficult thing 442 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:44,639 Speaker 1: to explain, and that's why I need to really break 443 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:47,919 Speaker 1: this down into different shows so that I can I can, 444 00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:49,840 Speaker 1: I can explain. But today we're all on giving you 445 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:52,800 Speaker 1: as a broad brush aspect on how we got to 446 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:55,240 Speaker 1: where we are. Okay, fine, there's a collusion between the 447 00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:59,760 Speaker 1: security forces and the paralelitaries. There were still massive issues, 448 00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:02,880 Speaker 1: like they have what's called the disappeared. During the seventies 449 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:08,160 Speaker 1: and eighties, Republican and Royalist paramilitaries abducted a number of individuals. 450 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:11,040 Speaker 1: One of them was Captain Robert Nirek. His body has 451 00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:13,720 Speaker 1: never been discovered. A number of the bodies have never 452 00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:16,879 Speaker 1: been discovered. Yeah, they just disappeared from the face of 453 00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:19,720 Speaker 1: the earth without a trace. All right, we know they 454 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:24,080 Speaker 1: were abducted by paramilitaries Okay, yeah, nothing's have been done 455 00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:29,080 Speaker 1: about it, so that disappeared. They will shoot to kill allegations, 456 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:32,679 Speaker 1: really shoot to kill. Now, the Republicans allows that the 457 00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:35,239 Speaker 1: security forces operated a shoot to kill policy rather than 458 00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:40,480 Speaker 1: arresting ira A suspects. That isself. Really it's just all ship. 459 00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:43,920 Speaker 1: You would be shot if you were committing an act 460 00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:45,919 Speaker 1: that was in danger in your life or someone else's. 461 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:47,800 Speaker 1: All right, that is that. And you don't shoot to 462 00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:50,480 Speaker 1: tickle people. You don't fire warning shots. If you're going 463 00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:52,480 Speaker 1: to fire a weapon. A weapon is designed to do 464 00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:54,920 Speaker 1: one thing and that's killed people. So yes, there was 465 00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:57,040 Speaker 1: a shoot to kill policy in my opinion. And if 466 00:24:57,080 --> 00:24:58,800 Speaker 1: you're going to fire your weapon, you went through a 467 00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:02,480 Speaker 1: graded response which you were governed by yellow card, which 468 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:04,919 Speaker 1: you all fully understood. You all had legal briefings on. 469 00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:07,440 Speaker 1: So if you ended up shooting you, if you ended 470 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:10,439 Speaker 1: up firing your weapon, the perceived outcome as you're going 471 00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:12,920 Speaker 1: to kill somebody. So in that respect, yes, there is 472 00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:14,760 Speaker 1: a shoot to kill thing. I'm going to cover that 473 00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:18,399 Speaker 1: again in great detail. But one of their main grants 474 00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:20,280 Speaker 1: was the killing of a ira A man at Lock 475 00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:24,359 Speaker 1: Hall seven. But those ira amen were heavily armed with 476 00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:26,960 Speaker 1: body armor on and turned up with a bomb in 477 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:30,520 Speaker 1: a digger. I mean really, and you expect us, what 478 00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:32,000 Speaker 1: were you supposed to do? Talk to you out of 479 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:35,440 Speaker 1: blowing deeple up and shooting them. So you can see 480 00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:37,399 Speaker 1: I'm getting rather heated with this now, because some of 481 00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:40,920 Speaker 1: this stuff really does beggars believe. It's like no, no, no, no, no, 482 00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:44,199 Speaker 1: no no. Anyway, So as it progressed, then there were 483 00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:49,280 Speaker 1: all sorts of social repercussions on both sides. Massive casualties. Okay, 484 00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:53,399 Speaker 1: three thousand, five hundred and thirty two people were killed 485 00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:56,480 Speaker 1: as a result of the conflict between nineteen sixty nine 486 00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:59,520 Speaker 1: and two thousand and one. All right, that's a lot 487 00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:02,639 Speaker 1: of people. That is a lot of people dying as 488 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:06,080 Speaker 1: a result of the troubles. That's more than a trouble 489 00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:08,439 Speaker 1: to me. Okay, let's just have a look at the 490 00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:11,800 Speaker 1: responsibility for the killing in the Irish paramilitary groups two 491 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:15,240 Speaker 1: thousand and fifty seven, the Loyalist paramilitary groups one thousand 492 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:20,119 Speaker 1: and twenty seven, British Security Forces three hundred and sixty three. Again, 493 00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:23,360 Speaker 1: and they call us the aggressors, all right, persons unknown 494 00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:28,479 Speaker 1: eighty Irish Security Forces five Okay, So that's you know, 495 00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:31,600 Speaker 1: that gives you a breakdown, that gives you an idea 496 00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:35,440 Speaker 1: of the activity that was being undertaken. Right obviously with 497 00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:40,439 Speaker 1: the largest the largest toll going to the Republican paramilitary 498 00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:42,919 Speaker 1: groups who were the main instigators of a lot of 499 00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:45,760 Speaker 1: the trouble. Okay, in as far as actual fist and 500 00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:48,840 Speaker 1: boot bulletin bomb violence goes all right, and as far 501 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:51,880 Speaker 1: as instigating the troubles as a whole, well, once we've 502 00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:53,639 Speaker 1: been through all this, you know, I'll let you make 503 00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:55,159 Speaker 1: your own mind up what you would have done if 504 00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:57,000 Speaker 1: it was your estate or if you were a soldier 505 00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:59,080 Speaker 1: serving there, that's what you've got to look at. But 506 00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:01,280 Speaker 1: like I said, we we will go into all this 507 00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:05,359 Speaker 1: in massive detail, and I will break down some of 508 00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:08,679 Speaker 1: the main incidents like lock All lug a broader, like 509 00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:12,720 Speaker 1: Bloody Sunday, like the Birmingham pub bombings, like Hyde Park, 510 00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:16,160 Speaker 1: will do them on separate occasions and and you can 511 00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:19,200 Speaker 1: build a picture. Because I think that there's too many 512 00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:21,879 Speaker 1: people who bang on about, you know, the troubles and 513 00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:24,679 Speaker 1: bang on again and don't understand. And this this is 514 00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:26,520 Speaker 1: one of my main reasons of doing this, is that 515 00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:28,240 Speaker 1: there's a lot of people out there who are going 516 00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:33,680 Speaker 1: to vote for Jeremy Corbyn who actively endorses and refuses 517 00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:36,720 Speaker 1: to condone the activities of a terrorist organization like the 518 00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:40,200 Speaker 1: Irish Republican Army, And there's too many petnos country white 519 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:42,800 Speaker 1: willing to waiver that to one side for what can 520 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:45,720 Speaker 1: only be described as their own as their own wants. 521 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:49,000 Speaker 1: I you know, Jeremy Corbyn's promised them, has promised them 522 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:51,480 Speaker 1: that promised to the other. He could promise me. He 523 00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:54,199 Speaker 1: could promise me a wage of a hundred grand a 524 00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:56,360 Speaker 1: year and as much gold as I can carry out 525 00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:58,399 Speaker 1: the out of the vaults. I am never going to 526 00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:00,320 Speaker 1: vote for Corbin as long as I've got a bone 527 00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:03,159 Speaker 1: in my body that's got any loyalty to the Crown. 528 00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:07,280 Speaker 1: I can't because too many people suffered during those troubles 529 00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:09,840 Speaker 1: for me not to condone the activities of the Irish 530 00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:12,479 Speaker 1: Republican Army. So I'll leave it there with you. Um 531 00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:15,159 Speaker 1: that's that. That That's how I feel about it. I 532 00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:16,720 Speaker 1: say we will break it down. I want people to 533 00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:19,080 Speaker 1: understand what went on. I am trying to be as 534 00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:21,439 Speaker 1: unbiased as I can. Obviously, I've been affected by the 535 00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:24,600 Speaker 1: troubles myself been in contact with the Irish Republican Enemy 536 00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:28,320 Speaker 1: army more than once in my time. Okay, which I'll 537 00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:30,720 Speaker 1: tell you those stories as well, but for now we'll 538 00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:33,639 Speaker 1: leave it there and I'll move on. Wow. That was 539 00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:35,520 Speaker 1: that was That was a mouthful, wasn't it? But I 540 00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:37,960 Speaker 1: like to say, I think it's worth talking about because 541 00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:43,200 Speaker 1: there's still people basing their decisions and not understanding exactly 542 00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:45,880 Speaker 1: what went on during the troubles. There we go. So 543 00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:48,880 Speaker 1: let's absolute dogs, shall we. Let's talk about a dog. 544 00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:50,840 Speaker 1: I want to talk about the dog, which is a 545 00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:54,800 Speaker 1: hunting dog, all right. It's a fierce hunting dog. You 546 00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:57,560 Speaker 1: get big ones, you get little ones, you get doty ones, 547 00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:00,320 Speaker 1: all right. So across the across this period of time, 548 00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:03,800 Speaker 1: they've been bred in all different shapes and sizes. Nobody 549 00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:07,160 Speaker 1: really knows where this dog came from. It's suggested that 550 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:10,280 Speaker 1: its roots were from Germany a very long time ago. 551 00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:13,960 Speaker 1: But the poodle, the poodle, that's gonna make your laugh 552 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:16,239 Speaker 1: at the poodle. You don't like a poodle, all right? 553 00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:20,960 Speaker 1: The poodle poodle is an extremely interesting dog, all right. 554 00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:25,440 Speaker 1: It was developed especially for hunting, but hunting water fowl, 555 00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:30,480 Speaker 1: so they call it a diving dog. All right, it hurts, 556 00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:33,640 Speaker 1: it hunts, but moreover, it can do all that. It's 557 00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:36,360 Speaker 1: a water dog, all right. It is a dog that's 558 00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,600 Speaker 1: designed to work on the water, all right, so it swims. 559 00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:42,440 Speaker 1: I only found this out not so long ago when 560 00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:44,400 Speaker 1: I started looking at the dogs to do these shows, 561 00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:47,320 Speaker 1: and it absolutely amazed me. And you know, they cut 562 00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:50,440 Speaker 1: these dogs in his bizare sort of like in his bazarre, 563 00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:52,520 Speaker 1: you know, with a big fiit feet, and they cut 564 00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:55,200 Speaker 1: these shapes, and those shapes are designed to help the 565 00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:57,880 Speaker 1: dog swim. Now that's amazing. And it's that all those 566 00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:00,280 Speaker 1: fancy haircuts you see on the poodles when they showing 567 00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:03,680 Speaker 1: them off at these various dog shows, they originate from 568 00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:06,760 Speaker 1: giving the dog the best chance for swimming more effectively 569 00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:09,480 Speaker 1: in war. How amazing is that? That's really cool in it? 570 00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:11,640 Speaker 1: So I was really impressed with that when I when 571 00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:13,520 Speaker 1: I when I when I first started reading into this. 572 00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:17,320 Speaker 1: Many believe that the breeding result of crosses between several 573 00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:21,040 Speaker 1: European water dogs, including Spanish, Portuguese, French, German and Hungarian. 574 00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:25,280 Speaker 1: Our historians think that the poodle's predecessor or of North 575 00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:28,800 Speaker 1: Africa and was important to do to the Iberian Polinceiva, 576 00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:31,520 Speaker 1: and that the breed arrived in gaul where it was 577 00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:34,440 Speaker 1: used for hunting. For its hunting abilities, there's no doubt 578 00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:36,360 Speaker 1: that this dog is a hunter, right, There's no doubt 579 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:38,680 Speaker 1: that the agility of the dog, the way that it works, 580 00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:40,960 Speaker 1: the intelligence of the dogs are very intelligent dog all right. 581 00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:43,320 Speaker 1: They're very They're very easy. They're very good to train. Right, 582 00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:45,000 Speaker 1: you can train a poodle. It does what it's told 583 00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:47,160 Speaker 1: it is. It's a nice dog, all right. There's no 584 00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:49,640 Speaker 1: doubt in my mind it's a hunting dog. Although it's 585 00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:52,000 Speaker 1: probably seen by many people nowadays as more as a 586 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:54,840 Speaker 1: fashion accessory. When you actually look at the ancestry of 587 00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:58,800 Speaker 1: the dog, there's illustrations of food, are like dogs in Egypt, 588 00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:02,000 Speaker 1: Roman Roman times, and all sorts of things that go 589 00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:05,520 Speaker 1: right back before christ decay. This dog is a nail's dog. 590 00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:08,560 Speaker 1: It's a good dog, all right. The bigger ones, the 591 00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:11,680 Speaker 1: larger ones, I would imagine, could be quite ferocious. You know, 592 00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:14,400 Speaker 1: they are. There are there are. Although you've got the 593 00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:16,360 Speaker 1: miniature and the toy ones, and they're all very nice 594 00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:18,320 Speaker 1: to look at and all that sort of stuff. You've 595 00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:20,239 Speaker 1: got to not having the bag in mind that this 596 00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:22,960 Speaker 1: is a working dog, all right. This dog was bred 597 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,400 Speaker 1: to work. This dog was bred to go after animals. 598 00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:28,320 Speaker 1: This dog was bred, you know, to pull things out 599 00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:31,960 Speaker 1: of out of holes, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera. Okay, so a 600 00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:35,080 Speaker 1: great dog. The sizes that are dugged them. There are 601 00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:38,760 Speaker 1: three different sizes the poodle, toy, the miniature, and standard. 602 00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:42,200 Speaker 1: And like they say, these aren't different breeds, they're just 603 00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:45,000 Speaker 1: different sizes of the same dog. The toy poodle stands 604 00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:47,360 Speaker 1: about ten inches and ways about six to nine pounds. 605 00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:49,920 Speaker 1: The miniature poodle stands in eleven to fifteen inch or 606 00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:53,040 Speaker 1: two and ways about fifteen to seventeen pounds. The standard 607 00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:55,920 Speaker 1: poodles fifteen inches and tall, are usually about twenty two 608 00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:58,600 Speaker 1: to twenty three inches, and the males weigh forty five 609 00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:01,920 Speaker 1: to seventy pounds and the females a little bit smaller, 610 00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:04,200 Speaker 1: forty five to sixty pounds. So you can say that's 611 00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:05,760 Speaker 1: quite a big dog, you know what I mean. And 612 00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:08,920 Speaker 1: there's no fat on these dogs. They're healthy, they're fit, 613 00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:11,800 Speaker 1: they're strong dogs, all right. The personality is said to 614 00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:15,400 Speaker 1: be intelligent, loving, loyal, mischievous are four words poodle and 615 00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:18,680 Speaker 1: fuses continually used with his brief personality. The poodle is 616 00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:22,360 Speaker 1: also known for what fans call an air of distinction. 617 00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:26,000 Speaker 1: It walks with an attitude. The poodle struts around like 618 00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:28,680 Speaker 1: it owns a place. They really are a cool dog, 619 00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:31,920 Speaker 1: all right. If you see a poodle, my Andrew does it. 620 00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:34,040 Speaker 1: My Scottish terrier, he does it when he has his haircut. 621 00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:36,320 Speaker 1: He looks in there and he goes, yeah, I look 622 00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:38,560 Speaker 1: like the d anglies. And the same with these poodles. 623 00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:40,440 Speaker 1: They cut around like they own the place when they've 624 00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:42,160 Speaker 1: have their hair done. They really do. They show off 625 00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:45,320 Speaker 1: almost they show off that. One of the best qualities 626 00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:48,320 Speaker 1: which Andrew doesn't have, which these dogs definitely do have. 627 00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:51,800 Speaker 1: They are highly trainable, and so that means that they're 628 00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:54,760 Speaker 1: a good family dog. They're good with strangers, you're good 629 00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:59,200 Speaker 1: in public. You can take them places. Because it's so intelligence, 630 00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:01,720 Speaker 1: like they say, you can make it do things. The 631 00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:05,760 Speaker 1: downside of it in boodles are generally healthy, but like 632 00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:09,640 Speaker 1: all breeds, they've got certain health conditions. If you're buying 633 00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:11,920 Speaker 1: a puppy, you need to buy it from a decent breeder. 634 00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:14,640 Speaker 1: If you can buy one that's got all the paperwork 635 00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:16,200 Speaker 1: with it and all that sort of stuff because it 636 00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:19,160 Speaker 1: will come not with a guarantee. You can't guarantee anything 637 00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:21,640 Speaker 1: in life when you're dealing with livestock or animals. But 638 00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:23,400 Speaker 1: if you know the history of the thing, if you've 639 00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:25,600 Speaker 1: seen the parents of the dog, and all the normal stuff, 640 00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:28,080 Speaker 1: all right, you can pretty much guarantee guarantee that you're 641 00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:29,880 Speaker 1: going to get something, then better than if you've just 642 00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:32,000 Speaker 1: bought it from one of these puppy farms. They do 643 00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:34,960 Speaker 1: have a couple of diseases that it gets. Addison's disease. 644 00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:37,360 Speaker 1: I can't even say what that one's called in a 645 00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:40,720 Speaker 1: thing a bit, it's it's a serious condition and it 646 00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:42,520 Speaker 1: will end in a poor, poor appetite and all that 647 00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:44,200 Speaker 1: sort of stuff. So if your dogs not eating properly, 648 00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:46,600 Speaker 1: it needs to go straight in. If it's a if 649 00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:49,320 Speaker 1: it's a poodle, because they can have this this Addison's disease, 650 00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:52,040 Speaker 1: and that disease can kill them. They get various other 651 00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:57,960 Speaker 1: things crushings, disease, gastric dietation, or bloating. They are known 652 00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:02,240 Speaker 1: to suffer from epilepsy. Hips can go wrong. They are, 653 00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:04,760 Speaker 1: like I say, because they are such a strong fit 654 00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:08,160 Speaker 1: dog normally, you know, I find with some of these breeds, 655 00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:11,120 Speaker 1: the ones that their hips go is because they are 656 00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:13,279 Speaker 1: such a thrusting, pulling dog. I wouldn't be surprised if 657 00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:15,880 Speaker 1: Andrew's problems with his hips one day because he's always pulling, 658 00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:17,920 Speaker 1: He's always choking at the lead, that sort of stuff. 659 00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:21,080 Speaker 1: They're always exercising himself to the max. But like they say, 660 00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:24,120 Speaker 1: great dogs, so the poodle. Who would have thought? Who 661 00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:26,799 Speaker 1: would have thought that the poodle was a swimming dog? 662 00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:29,560 Speaker 1: There you go, just goes to show you anyway. Look, 663 00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:32,400 Speaker 1: I should be around again in the next In the 664 00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:34,440 Speaker 1: next week or so, I think my next show is on. 665 00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:37,920 Speaker 1: Don't forget. In the meantime, get yourself along online and 666 00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:39,600 Speaker 1: have a look at the great club. They're turning out 667 00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:41,960 Speaker 1: some great stuff for Christmas. I've been lost without my 668 00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:44,120 Speaker 1: create for Christmas. I can tell you I also have 669 00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:47,960 Speaker 1: a Butcher's that what I'm doing online. I'm heavily featured 670 00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:50,799 Speaker 1: on on the on the soft up Facebook page. You've 671 00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:52,640 Speaker 1: got soft rup dot com, of course, where you can 672 00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:54,240 Speaker 1: go and over and look at some really cool stuff. 673 00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:56,920 Speaker 1: Lots going on the pipelone, certainly lots going on. Next year. 674 00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:58,920 Speaker 1: You should hopefully see a lot more of me I 675 00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:01,239 Speaker 1: got some really cool I planned for next year. I'm 676 00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:03,400 Speaker 1: gonna let you know very shortly how the elections went 677 00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:04,880 Speaker 1: and all that sort of stuff. That will do a 678 00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:07,719 Speaker 1: show dedicated to the elections, probably another dog and a 679 00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:11,120 Speaker 1: bit more of the travels. So until then, until next time, 680 00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:13,800 Speaker 1: and I'll see you all very soon. Who dares wins 681 00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:17,160 Speaker 1: And I'll see you all later. You've been listening to 682 00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:21,840 Speaker 1: Self Rep Radio. New episodes up every Wednesday and Friday. 683 00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:26,520 Speaker 1: Follow the show on Instagram and Twitter at self Rep Radio.