Speaker 1: He is drinks chess, motherfucking podcast man.
Speaker 2: He's a legendary queens rapper.
Speaker 3: He ain't agreed as your boy in O R E.
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Speaker 3: this show, we said we wanted to to give people,
Speaker 3: you know, their flowers. Who wanted to give people the icons,
Speaker 3: the legends. When we talk about this man, this man
Speaker 3: has made countless music for twenty over twenty twenty five
Speaker 3: is it twenty five, twenty seven, twenty seven years? I
Speaker 3: mean he got hits upon hits.
Speaker 4: Oh.
Speaker 3: He's an actor, a dancer, producer, writer, keeping her reality
Speaker 3: star far man. He could do it all.
Speaker 1: Recently, he has been going viral for his dance moves
Speaker 1: and falling.
Speaker 3: Off the stage. I was at that show. I just
Speaker 3: missed you. I love his friend idjudgment.
Speaker 1: So when I tell you, man, this is a legend
Speaker 1: of bar legend, a real one.
Speaker 3: You know, I searched. I've been searching him so much,
Speaker 3: and then you know, this is the first time, like
Speaker 3: I've heard about his depression because I've been seeing him
Speaker 3: for years and I have never seen him have a
Speaker 3: bad day. I appreciate that this is a legend, icon
Speaker 3: hit maker and his historian because were gonna get he
Speaker 3: just got history upon history. So in case you don't
Speaker 3: know who they talking about, one only tell you why.
Speaker 3: What I like about recently. What I like about recently
Speaker 3: is a lot of people don't laugh at theirself. Oh yeah,
Speaker 3: and I love the fact that you did not let
Speaker 3: the internet win. No, the Internet they tried to like
Speaker 3: because what was it? It was the first It was
Speaker 3: the dad.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean, you know what, when you've
Speaker 1: been in this business as long as I have, I'm
Speaker 1: glad so that it was just one of those things
Speaker 1: and the research reason why people were at the dank
Speaker 1: and I realized it's definitely two different moves.
Speaker 3: Totally young, young, the old Jesus. Yeah, I loved it,
Speaker 3: Like so many people don't laugh at something. Yeah, is
Speaker 3: that some of you developed?
Speaker 1: Like I had to develop it, man, because I got
Speaker 1: so many kids and they laugh.
Speaker 3: Okay, So they was like, Dad, don't get mad, this
Speaker 3: is funny. You can make some part of this. Okay.
Speaker 3: So hold on, when did you know you was virable?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 3: Whoit?
Speaker 1: I was?
Speaker 3: Actually I was in Vegas.
Speaker 1: I was doing a show with Chris Angel and so
Speaker 1: I had a break and my phone was lighting up.
Speaker 3: So I was like, what the hell is going on?
Speaker 1: Like I was like, did somebody you know what I'm saying?
Speaker 1: You don't know what's going on? And when they showed me,
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm instantly like I don't care about that.
Speaker 3: You know, when you season and its been very little
Speaker 3: things mess with you. I gotta admit that kind of
Speaker 3: mess with me a little bit. Yeah, it messed with
Speaker 3: me a little bit because I was like, dag yo,
Speaker 3: I was playing, I'm chilling, I'm I'm doing what I do.
Speaker 1: I'm playing, and so all the viral stuff, all that
Speaker 1: stuff was truly like noid for real, Like all that
Speaker 1: stuff is just new to me. Like I didn't know,
Speaker 1: like like once you once that happens, like there's a
Speaker 1: lot of other things you can do. I was like yo,
Speaker 1: because at first I felt the way, and then my
Speaker 1: kids had to call me.
Speaker 3: Dad was like, no, Dad, you can do this. It's
Speaker 3: like a rebrand. Yes, yes, did you see that? But
Speaker 3: do you first see it? They sent it to me Twitter. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: I love Twitter. Yes, I go on Twitter just to
Speaker 3: get beat up. Really just going like whenever ho like
Speaker 3: he loves whenever. I'm like too positive in this world.
Speaker 1: I'm just yeah, yeah, you gotta find me. I'm like,
Speaker 1: now you humble, I say, yeah, I stay like that.
Speaker 1: So then let's bring it to the lovers and friends.
Speaker 1: Absolutely and friends.
Speaker 3: That's when I really see you would do the response
Speaker 3: you had to pain going yeah, yeah, yeah, we're exactly
Speaker 3: happy that lovers and friends. I don't know if you
Speaker 3: addressed this yet, so let me.
Speaker 1: Take it out.
Speaker 3: OK, thank you so much. Cheers, cheers, cheers, solo solo
Speaker 3: shop a jackeline not touching my ship, bro.
Speaker 1: So yeah, So the lovers and Friends thing, man, I
Speaker 1: was so happy to be a part of them for
Speaker 1: the second second year straight.
Speaker 3: The first I was yeah, I was there last year,
Speaker 3: so you know, we're doing our thing. We're drinking, we
Speaker 3: having fun.
Speaker 1: We do what we do right, and so me, I'm all,
Speaker 1: I've always been one of those artists that you know,
Speaker 1: wanted to touch the people go out there, and I
Speaker 1: still do that right.
Speaker 3: So this particular situation, I jumped, but we know that
Speaker 3: you know the big speakers, right, especially when you get
Speaker 3: into it.
Speaker 1: Yeah and fried so you know the handles right there.
Speaker 1: You know that dip up on the lad So my
Speaker 1: foot went in it and that was on you. I
Speaker 1: almost took the guy.
Speaker 3: Then security guard.
Speaker 2: Was that the interpreted because the only thing I knew
Speaker 2: the dude was grab hold on.
Speaker 1: And I couldn't get mad because everybody was like, man,
Speaker 1: he should have caught that was like he didn't know
Speaker 1: I was grabbing him. So the one thing that I
Speaker 1: did do, I stayed professional. I kept that mic, kept
Speaker 1: the mic right when it wasn't sore or nothing.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I playing sleeping. It was hot to tell, oh
Speaker 5: my god, oh my god. But yeah, I mean it
Speaker 5: worked out.
Speaker 1: I finished it, I got back, I got back to
Speaker 1: my room, had had to had to soak it up because.
Speaker 3: I didn't go virble that day. It went Viba the
Speaker 3: second day.
Speaker 1: The second day and I was like, oh, please, don't
Speaker 1: get it, dude, and I and I knew it, and
Speaker 1: my assistant and dances and everybody was like, Naji, you're
Speaker 1: gonna got.
Speaker 3: So I was like, all right, whatever.
Speaker 1: And so the next day, you know, with viral and
Speaker 1: me learning from the first time, I was like, just
Speaker 1: go along with it, just have fun with it. So
Speaker 1: that's why I said, we fall down, you know. So
Speaker 1: you know, it was one of those things where you
Speaker 1: just got to play with it. Our trip at all,
Speaker 1: I think. I mean, I won't say no names, of course,
Speaker 1: but there's been many artists that fell and so I
Speaker 1: just I'm admitted into that classroom.
Speaker 3: Now, imagine we had social media times just like in
Speaker 3: the nineties, like.
Speaker 1: Nineties everything from the stage equipment break down, like we
Speaker 1: ain't have social media. But I was so glad that
Speaker 1: you embraced the absolutely absolutely, But let me let me
Speaker 1: bounce around.
Speaker 3: Okay, your time you can a sex symbol.
Speaker 1: Okay, I mean it's considered just a lot of babies,
Speaker 1: a lot of babies.
Speaker 3: You made a lot of babies, yes, And how does
Speaker 3: it feel like because me, unfortunately, like I've made music
Speaker 3: for the streets, and Kris was always said, watch you
Speaker 3: say because you attracted. And years later, I don't want
Speaker 3: to say I even wish I didn't make music for
Speaker 3: the streets.
Speaker 1: But I wish I softened up. I wish I did
Speaker 1: maybe sooner than like global like.
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, how is it making you know money off
Speaker 3: of like that image of like well for me, man,
Speaker 3: you know we started.
Speaker 1: I started in uh ninety so I made it in
Speaker 1: ninety six, so you know, I knew nothing else but
Speaker 1: to make you know, good music and come from the heart,
Speaker 1: you know, love music, soul music and all that. So
Speaker 1: you know, once I started that, I didn't know how
Speaker 1: big it was gonna be, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like you always hope for the best, you don't know
Speaker 1: what it's gonna be.
Speaker 3: So you know, for me to have you know, the
Speaker 3: CITs of the.
Speaker 1: Albums that I've had with Timberland and MISSI and all
Speaker 1: those great man, it's something that I'm constantly thinking, thinking, God,
Speaker 1: just the people for because you know, a lot of
Speaker 1: people don't understand when you're not popping really here. You
Speaker 1: can go overseas and feel like Michael Jackson, like that's real.
Speaker 3: That's real.
Speaker 1: I tell that to my friends all the time, all
Speaker 1: the time. You're struggling in America. They gonna pay you,
Speaker 1: They're gonna embrace you over there, and you feel like
Speaker 1: it was it's it's it's you starting over, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean.
Speaker 2: So I've been man, I've been blessed to be everywhere.
Speaker 1: Man. And I went to Nigeria and this was back
Speaker 1: in maybe ninety nine or something like that, and man,
Speaker 1: they had like a what you what you call them barcade?
Speaker 1: What you call when you have so many people following you,
Speaker 1: you have you have all the motorcycles and all that
Speaker 1: kind of Moti caade, motorcare presidential.
Speaker 3: Yeah, man.
Speaker 1: And so I went over there and I was like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, this is crazy. So we went straight
Speaker 1: from the airport to the hotel. But they told us,
Speaker 1: don't lead us, don't lead us, hunt, don't lead the grounds.
Speaker 1: But yeah, you can go from here, like when you
Speaker 1: just on your you know, decline a little bit and
Speaker 1: you just want to reboot, you can go over there
Speaker 1: man and get so much love and get energy and
Speaker 1: then it allows you to come back home and just
Speaker 1: you know, start start being real, uh active, again and
Speaker 1: what it is that you do. So it's a great thing, man.
Speaker 1: So me still making money and doing what I'm doing.
Speaker 1: I'm gone every weekend mostly every weekend. Every weekend.
Speaker 3: I'm like a wrestler. So it's all good, man, It's
Speaker 3: a blessing. So yeah, I'm gonna give you three names.
Speaker 3: I want you to tell me. Infrared, Frosty, and Tornado.
Speaker 1: You you know what I got you? Okay, let me
Speaker 1: give you some history on that.
Speaker 3: What's the first one? The first one is Infrared Frosty.
Speaker 3: All of who is is who me? I got that research.
Speaker 3: I was like, so is what it was when I
Speaker 3: got with Joe to see in ninety Davante specific which
Speaker 3: is crazy connection.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so so we you know I got with them well,
Speaker 1: like I said, Davante specifically, and he was coming up
Speaker 1: with a new uh uh you know crew called swim
Speaker 1: Mall La and then and so you know, he.
Speaker 2: Was going around, he was going around the world, going.
Speaker 1: Around the States, and he was looking for his first
Speaker 1: solo male artists, first male groups, the female group female.
Speaker 3: Artists and all that. And I was pretty much picked along.
Speaker 1: With Missy Timberland, Magoole Boogieyman, tweet all of us. So
Speaker 1: the brother had an eye for talent obviously, right. So
Speaker 1: once we once I moved up, you know, I had
Speaker 1: a job. It was like eighty nine and ninety I
Speaker 1: met them, I think in eighty nine and so ninety.
Speaker 3: He was like, come on, man, it's time to rock. Now,
Speaker 3: We're about to about to get first.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So so yeah, so I'm getting to.
Speaker 1: I got so uh so he he said, come up,
Speaker 1: so I think. So when I was coming up, he
Speaker 1: was like, so, what's your scene now? I say scrappy right,
Speaker 1: so he was like why So back in the days
Speaker 1: when I used to break dance, my name was Scrappy
Speaker 1: g D Scrappy Greatest Dance.
Speaker 3: Alive right, so yeah, yeah yeah, so so he was like, nah,
Speaker 3: don't work.
Speaker 1: So those are the names that we went through trying
Speaker 1: to find a name that actually, you know, represented me
Speaker 1: and who I am as a person. So uh uh,
Speaker 1: Frosty was I don't know what made him come up
Speaker 1: with him, I don't know, but he uh, you know, he.
Speaker 3: Said that, and I was like and then so like, yeah,
Speaker 3: a little bit, I'm gonna be three with that one.
Speaker 1: So Infrared was the next one, and you know, he
Speaker 1: was like, yo, whatever you set your mind to, were
Speaker 1: trying to make make sense of it. I was like,
Speaker 1: So then the Tornado thing, I was open to that
Speaker 1: a little bit. I was open to that because the
Speaker 1: whole behind that, there you go. So you I just got.
Speaker 3: I've been trying long time. Yeah, Tonado. It was more
Speaker 3: so about what I do to the stage back then.
Speaker 1: But I did do this way. We still do it
Speaker 1: to the stage just a little that's a little bit slower.
Speaker 1: But yeah, so that's basically what it was. And so
Speaker 1: uh uh that kind of didn't work out. And so
Speaker 1: I said, I've always wanted to name always three. There
Speaker 1: you go, stop it, man, you've been doing your research.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was always a three syllable name. And I
Speaker 3: always wanted to hit her.
Speaker 1: So I said, best represents who I am as a person,
Speaker 1: as a man, and so my name is Elgin.
Speaker 3: So we just took Jim and then I was like wow.
Speaker 1: First of first, we started with genuine and I was like, nah, man,
Speaker 1: we got there, we got this something.
Speaker 3: And then I don't know, he came. He came.
Speaker 2: He was like, what about spelling it different and saying
Speaker 2: genu wine, And I was like.
Speaker 3: Dad is Okay, had anything to do with your first name? Yes, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: because I was like, I want to use that, I
Speaker 3: want to know that. Get you because you named the
Speaker 3: basketball player, yeah, Elgin Bela front of the Lakers.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, my mom thought I was gonna probably
Speaker 1: be a basketball player. But at the end of the
Speaker 1: day she was right in the in the sense of
Speaker 1: me just being some sort of entertainer.
Speaker 3: So it was a great thing.
Speaker 1: And DeVonta had a big part of the names absolutely absolutely, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: because we was like he had a lot of names, man, Tornado, fifty,
Speaker 1: all kinds of fifty. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Missy did that.
Speaker 1: You know, she's joking. It was back in the days
Speaker 1: I used to wear fake some real jewelry and some
Speaker 1: fake jolly.
Speaker 3: So she said that that landed for what I was like, hell, no, no, no,
Speaker 3: we can't do that. But yeah, so yeah, that was
Speaker 3: when fifty came out.
Speaker 1: Did you have a tell?
Speaker 3: You gotta tell because it was so it was so
Speaker 3: long ago. That was ninety one because he was all
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Speaker 2: Let's take it from Rochester. Oh yeah, yeah, definitely, y'all.
Speaker 3: All of the apartments, yeah, Dungeon, definitely y'all getting it together.
Speaker 3: And then how does that happen because you coming from DC. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: so coming from DC, how did you hook up with
Speaker 3: Davonte to get to a Rochester But we were already hooked.
Speaker 2: Up, so we were already pretty much a family.
Speaker 1: This is like a writing camp, yeah really really really
Speaker 1: one of those things where like it should be a
Speaker 1: lot more of that, you know what I mean as
Speaker 1: far as cruel because we started in the studio together
Speaker 1: and we started doing contests like who can write the
Speaker 1: fastest Missy and Timberland. I mean, Missy always wants she
Speaker 1: always won. Yeah, so you know, it was a great
Speaker 1: boot camp for years for us to learn because I
Speaker 1: was on tour with them. I was on like three
Speaker 1: tours with them. I just learned the business and all
Speaker 1: that stuff. And they, you know a lot of people
Speaker 1: thought I was younger than what I was. I was
Speaker 1: already you know, a grown dude, but you know I was,
Speaker 1: you know, I had to have that had had a
Speaker 1: young look. But yeah, up in Rochester, I mean up
Speaker 1: in Rochester, we were always having you know, write offs
Speaker 1: and all that kind of stuff, and it was a
Speaker 1: great way for us to stay on our toes shopping
Speaker 1: you know, iron shop like artists camp.
Speaker 3: Yeah, pretty much, that's what it was. And you know
Speaker 3: he got that, he got a lot of that stuff
Speaker 3: from just wanting us to just to.
Speaker 1: Be the best at that time, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: he was trying to make a Jodasy or I don't
Speaker 1: know now, I don't think he was trying to make
Speaker 1: he was trying to do the thing because he kind
Speaker 1: of left Jodason. I was like, what are you doing?
Speaker 1: So he was really on him, trying trying to be
Speaker 1: uh uh Andre Horrel because that was one of.
Speaker 3: His mentors and so yeah, yeah, yeah, but so he.
Speaker 1: Was trying to make his own, his own motown, his
Speaker 1: own own Lovetown Records and all that, and so you know,
Speaker 1: unfortunately it didn't work out. But but I wouldn't change
Speaker 1: it for the world, bro. But it was a time
Speaker 1: where like everyone kind of left. Yeah, yeah, he was
Speaker 1: the only one that stayed.
Speaker 3: I was the only one that stay. A couple couple
Speaker 3: of people I believe one of them is a Lee
Speaker 3: and one is Missy. Wasn't with miss Missy. She was
Speaker 3: like she paid loyal to the default. Yeah, she paid,
Speaker 3: she paid for me to get get back. But did
Speaker 3: you did you think she was right when she said
Speaker 3: you was loyal to a default.
Speaker 1: I didn't look at it like that. I was looking
Speaker 1: at it like he brought me from d City to nothing.
Speaker 1: And that's been a lot of the times. That's been
Speaker 1: my fault, uh in life, just trusting people. As long
Speaker 1: as I've trusted him, you know what I mean. But
Speaker 1: I always felt like, look where am I going? Where
Speaker 1: am I gonna go?
Speaker 2: People was always telling me, come on back home, they ain't.
Speaker 1: Gonna do nothing, d D.
Speaker 3: But I was like, I'm here. I got to make it.
Speaker 3: I got to do something.
Speaker 1: I got to you know, even if it even if
Speaker 1: it doesn't last as long as it has lasted, I
Speaker 1: needed to do something, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: And so so so I stuck it through.
Speaker 1: But it got a little crazy for a while, and
Speaker 1: so I was just like, yeah, Missy was like, yo,
Speaker 1: you gotta leave.
Speaker 3: You know, if you need money to leave, I got
Speaker 3: you and all that.
Speaker 1: And fortunately, you know, I was able to get back
Speaker 1: and and and do one of the fastest deals in
Speaker 1: the nineties.
Speaker 3: And it was like over the weekend with five fifty
Speaker 3: music Sony, Right.
Speaker 1: So, why did you think, because I know we're all
Speaker 1: young at the time. Yeah, yeah, So why did you
Speaker 1: think Missy and Timberland left in the first place. Was
Speaker 1: it was it about money or was it about like
Speaker 1: receiving the works. You gotta understand, when we were up there,
Speaker 1: all of us was really like just doing our own thing.
Speaker 1: We would talk and all that. But Missy was getting it.
Speaker 1: She started getting a song. Yeah, she started getting with
Speaker 1: very J Blige, Kim Puff she was.
Speaker 2: She did Raven Simon, that was like one of her
Speaker 2: first joints.
Speaker 1: And she was with us uh Semino two and she
Speaker 1: did a lot of stuff. So needless to say, if.
Speaker 3: You around our our world, people people gonna talk to
Speaker 3: you hearing about miss.
Speaker 2: And she just started doing what she was supposed to do.
Speaker 3: She did the right thing. She absolutely did the right thing.
Speaker 3: And you know we we always talked.
Speaker 1: You know, she just called me when I did fall
Speaker 1: off the sec Wow, she said, don't she let the
Speaker 1: white tell her?
Speaker 3: You tell you you ain't no start.
Speaker 1: It's so good because yeah, I mean, we spent a
Speaker 1: lot of time together. Man, we spent like six years together.
Speaker 1: So the bond is there, Okay, bond is definitely definitely there.
Speaker 1: Never will be broken her myself, Timbling. You know, we
Speaker 1: still got our got our lives to deal with and
Speaker 1: all that. But if something goes down there, they're the
Speaker 1: first and I'm the first to call them. You know
Speaker 1: what I mean?
Speaker 3: Because I related to a story that you told so
Speaker 3: so bad that mine's a little bit different. But for real,
Speaker 3: didn't come to my homeboy video nothing video, the biggest records,
Speaker 3: and he didn't come, and he didn't he didn't come,
Speaker 3: but he told me, which I believe now I didn't
Speaker 3: believe then.
Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, he said you didn't need me, Nori, Okay.
Speaker 3: But I was like, no, I paid for you. Look up,
Speaker 3: I want you to come. So you So when I
Speaker 3: see you say that you was bad at him showing
Speaker 3: up in the video, I have felt that in my soul.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, and I but do you think Timberland didn't
Speaker 3: show up because of similar to the reason Pharrell? Like
Speaker 3: Pharrell was he really sincerely thought that I didn't need him. Okay,
Speaker 3: what you talking about? Which which video? Which was? Because
Speaker 3: I'm in the first one, I think the one you
Speaker 3: said you paid fifty thousand?
Speaker 1: No no, no, no, no, no no no. That was
Speaker 1: a misunderstanding. I think that was something that the label
Speaker 1: at that time. I was independent at that time, with
Speaker 1: an independent label, not me just doing everything, but with
Speaker 1: an independent label.
Speaker 3: And I think she paid him.
Speaker 1: I really don't know about that, but I knew that
Speaker 1: nothing would break album.
Speaker 3: We spent a lot of time together, bro like.
Speaker 1: Like I know that brother, I know that he had Yeah,
Speaker 1: because of what I was told and that again, it
Speaker 1: was just so long.
Speaker 3: I don't don't remember all the logistics of it.
Speaker 1: But of course with me, we had the same management
Speaker 1: for a while, and then once I broke away from
Speaker 1: that management, he distanced himself from from me a little bit.
Speaker 3: That hurt me.
Speaker 1: That that is what hurt me as far as like
Speaker 1: showing up for something late later on, I I don't
Speaker 1: think that was really an issue. I was a little more.
Speaker 1: I was a little jealous of some of some of
Speaker 1: the stuff that he was doing for uh, just to stimulate,
Speaker 1: until I learned.
Speaker 3: That Justin was writing it.
Speaker 1: So I was like, oh, okay, that's that's a whole
Speaker 1: different level.
Speaker 5: So I was just like, I'll let that go.
Speaker 3: I'll let that go.
Speaker 1: But yeah, that was you know, me and me and
Speaker 1: me and Tim will forever because connected and hopefully we'll
Speaker 1: be able to do something special again.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 1: I always respect shout out to Dre and Snoop and
Speaker 1: God man, I love that when I see stuff like that,
Speaker 1: shout out to Puff and even though sometimes things go
Speaker 1: on none of my business. But when he did that tour,
Speaker 1: everybody showed up Kim, and I was just like yo,
Speaker 1: I was the first thing I did. I was like, Tim,
Speaker 1: come on man, man. But you know, uh, we still
Speaker 1: got time, We still got time. Let me ask you
Speaker 1: something that Tanks said on here.
Speaker 3: There later later with something Tank said he he has
Speaker 3: sung a stance Sam Smith song. Right, I remember like
Speaker 3: this this when when a white person sings about a
Speaker 3: certain thing, it could go to certain places. But the
Speaker 3: genre of black music, like if you the majority turned
Speaker 3: on the radio, it's it's really a lot more negative
Speaker 3: than it is bad, but I mean positive, you know.
Speaker 3: So is that something that that does you agree with?
Speaker 2: As far as what as far as him saying that
Speaker 2: it's it's more bad, what you mean.
Speaker 3: Him saying that, like a white person could sing a
Speaker 3: ballad and and go, but if Tank or you sing
Speaker 3: a ballid, people judge it. They don't let it go
Speaker 3: to a certain extent.
Speaker 1: He's he's absolutely right, but he's not sometimes a lot
Speaker 1: of people got to understand it's a testament to us
Speaker 1: not supporting one another too. You understand, we gotta, we
Speaker 1: gotta if somebody comes out with something and you know,
Speaker 1: it's sort of it's sort of like boxers now and
Speaker 1: all all of that, Like we just have to support
Speaker 1: one another. We we we're so caught up in what
Speaker 1: somebody is doing negative and bringing that to the for
Speaker 1: front and bringing that to like we know, the good
Speaker 1: stuff is always overshadowed by bad stuff.
Speaker 3: And that's something that I hate.
Speaker 1: And that's why when it took me so long to say,
Speaker 1: not because you was asking me or anything about it,
Speaker 1: but for me to be open and even do podcasts
Speaker 1: or me to be because it's like the world, the
Speaker 1: world has changed so much. It's like you don't want
Speaker 1: to go on something and say something and take it
Speaker 1: out of context and then you get buyed and you
Speaker 1: lose all your all your deals. You look so I
Speaker 1: just I'm so hands off. I'm let me go do
Speaker 1: my shows, let me do what I do when I
Speaker 1: go back home.
Speaker 3: Shut my mouth.
Speaker 1: I don't do all that because you know it's crazy
Speaker 1: right now, you know what I mean, It's very crazy.
Speaker 3: I could tell that's how you feel. Yes, absolutely, I'm
Speaker 3: gonna tell you how I kept searching, search and searching
Speaker 3: all your interviews, and there was so many interviews that
Speaker 3: you wasn't even in the interview. It's just people talk
Speaker 3: about you, right, And I could tell a lot of
Speaker 3: these rumors you just didn't address because you feel like
Speaker 3: you're too big for it, or it's just because you
Speaker 3: don't want to be.
Speaker 1: I feel like I feel like I'm way too big
Speaker 1: for it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, because because that's the thing
Speaker 1: about it is. You know, this nation and everything is
Speaker 1: built on innocent until proven guilty. Right nowadays you're guilty
Speaker 1: and to proven anything. Right. So I don't never feel
Speaker 1: like I have to fight anybody for nothing, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? Like, I know who I am, stand up, gud,
Speaker 1: I'm true to my name, always have been, always will be.
Speaker 2: So I don't feel like I have to fight fight
Speaker 2: for anything.
Speaker 1: If somebody thinks something, you've already lost anyway, Because as
Speaker 1: soon as somebody think whatever it is that they think
Speaker 1: about you.
Speaker 3: That's their truth.
Speaker 1: Anything they didn't already made up their mind. I'm not
Speaker 1: here to make to change your mind. Nigga.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, like, you look, if.
Speaker 1: You if that's that's what you feel about, keep that,
Speaker 1: take that, take that with you, take that with you know.
Speaker 2: I'm absolutely above that, absolutely absolutely Did.
Speaker 3: You ever think like that it would be where it's
Speaker 3: at right now? Like right now, like right now, you
Speaker 3: don't need no talent, You don't, you don't, you don't
Speaker 3: even need, you don't need. I'm talking about this is
Speaker 3: in general.
Speaker 1: It's not just art.
Speaker 3: It's not just artists, like a person, a person who
Speaker 3: can actually like there's so many women that I go
Speaker 3: on Instagram and I can look at this and they
Speaker 3: have two point five million followers and I'm like, she
Speaker 3: make the War Report right, like how she got more
Speaker 3: followers than me? And because he's working, she's working like
Speaker 3: history and there's no disrespect, absolutely respect her. But I
Speaker 3: have never seen this level like and there's so many
Speaker 3: Instagram comedians.
Speaker 1: That's why I always refer to that time with Mike.
Speaker 1: Mike Epps had an Instagram comedian on what Us.
Speaker 3: And Mike just fried them. Who is my man? What
Speaker 3: I'm saying is like, sometimes you put an artist next
Speaker 3: to artists next to you know, not a made up party.
Speaker 3: Did you ever think that it would be to sit here?
Speaker 3: Did you ever think it would be here, like the
Speaker 3: society would be here? You know what the teller tell
Speaker 3: the truth. Yeah, you saw the fucking we coming. You
Speaker 3: saw the idiocracy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and AI only makes it worse now, AI makes
Speaker 1: it the horrible.
Speaker 6: Right.
Speaker 1: But once the internet, once the Internet came out, and
Speaker 1: once you start to see the progression of just go
Speaker 1: back to Mars, right.
Speaker 3: So I knew Tom.
Speaker 1: Everybody everybody face party, but I mean you could start
Speaker 1: to see it then, and it was brilliant what they
Speaker 1: thought about when it came to the Just the word followers, Yeah,
Speaker 1: just the word followers that gave you, that gave you
Speaker 1: such a big platform. Right. And so once it took me, yo,
Speaker 1: it took me to two thousand and fifteen or sixteen
Speaker 1: to even get Instagram and Facebook.
Speaker 3: Again and all that stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I'm old school, bro, I come up through
Speaker 1: with with with with the Michael Jackson's and the princes
Speaker 1: and the new additions and the Bobbies and all that.
Speaker 1: We wasn't letting you know, when we're going on, no
Speaker 1: damn store man, all that kind of stuff, We're not
Speaker 1: doing that. So I never really subscribed to it until
Speaker 1: I understood it, Like I was truly.
Speaker 2: Old head, old school, like, nah, I ain't doing that.
Speaker 1: I think it actually took away the mystery and the
Speaker 1: art of an artist because it's so exploited.
Speaker 3: You know that too much access.
Speaker 1: You got way too much access to just think if
Speaker 1: Michael like what, oh my god, I don't think right.
Speaker 1: So it's one of those things man, I just never
Speaker 1: caught on until twenty fifteen. You know, I love social media,
Speaker 1: but what I hate about social media is we're all
Speaker 1: on that same level.
Speaker 3: Once we open up that app. Yes it doesn't We're
Speaker 3: all say so, there's someone in Nebraska in the basement
Speaker 3: sowhere saying no you I can talk, gonna re threet him. Yeah,
Speaker 3: He's like wait a minute.
Speaker 1: So and but going back to the you just when
Speaker 1: you said followers, I'm like, the only thing to have
Speaker 1: followers is cults and religions.
Speaker 3: It's crazy boom. So that's what I'm saying, the followers.
Speaker 1: The followers thing is it was was the key tore like,
Speaker 1: oh man, this and it's all fake, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? Like I tell people all the time, you
Speaker 1: can have a twenty million followers or whatever.
Speaker 2: Put something out and see how many people get it
Speaker 2: or whatever.
Speaker 1: That's so cool. That's what happened out you see, that's.
Speaker 3: So what happened with hip hop.
Speaker 1: And in terms of charting, they're saying, this is the
Speaker 1: first time and in thirty years that hip hop hasn't
Speaker 1: had a number one record.
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying is it's really it's really a
Speaker 2: smoke screen.
Speaker 3: And so I did see it. That's how I was like,
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I ain't gonna lie. I ain't see
Speaker 3: it's gonna be this. So I saw it was gonna
Speaker 3: be this. Stupid bro, I've seen the movie Idiocracy.
Speaker 1: You have ever seen them?
Speaker 3: Noah, I have nothing. Got to see the movie. I
Speaker 3: foresaw a lot of it.
Speaker 1: Said let's be good into time more technology we used
Speaker 1: become stupid.
Speaker 3: Like think about it. I don't really know anybody's phone
Speaker 3: number back then. I knows you won't remember. I used
Speaker 3: to know twenty people's phone number. It made me use
Speaker 3: my brain. The smarter the smartphone got, the dumb I got.
Speaker 1: You can what we got. Don't have a met don't
Speaker 1: what we all got. You can't name five numbers in
Speaker 1: your absolutely can't. I can't you can't.
Speaker 3: You probably got one your mama. That's it.
Speaker 1: I got, Yes, that's it. That's it, know Eddie Giggs,
Speaker 1: because you had the same did you see that dogs
Speaker 1: man deafite? Definitely, because we depend on this. This is us.
Speaker 3: Just doesn't have a f This is us. I saw
Speaker 3: to be off subject, but it's on subject. The other day,
Speaker 3: swear to God, a therapist friend of mine said to me,
Speaker 3: you know you got when you get on social media,
Speaker 3: is a certain people you followed? So he said, he
Speaker 3: said that he had, he had he had clients that
Speaker 3: would wake up in the morning and they would follow
Speaker 3: porn stars. And so when they following porn stars, they
Speaker 3: think it about sex. Then you got clients that they
Speaker 3: following kickboxes or or or people that's holding pistols and
Speaker 3: they're thinking about and you don't even realize that you're
Speaker 3: putting yourself into that in that mode like that ship was.
Speaker 3: It was ill when he broke that down to me,
Speaker 3: and I was like, I can't lie. Immediately stopped following
Speaker 3: certain people. I was just like, yo, program, that's what
Speaker 3: it's doing. Yeah. It fucked me up. So I woke
Speaker 3: up this morning, which I didn't use the internet the
Speaker 3: whole time I was in I was in Italy and past,
Speaker 3: so I tried not to use it the whole time.
Speaker 3: In this morning, I woke up and I got trapped
Speaker 3: right trapped right into that ship. I was like, yo,
Speaker 3: holy ship.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, yeah, your phone is you?
Speaker 3: Yes, so, but we want you to know our show
Speaker 3: was about giving our legends they flowers, while yeah, you
Speaker 3: are super legend. We've been trying to get you since
Speaker 3: the show started. Your flowers to your face.
Speaker 1: Oh.
Speaker 3: Your face? Thank you grabbed come of his own people.
Speaker 3: God damnit, that's what I did.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Do you did you think you know because you have
Speaker 3: an illustrious career? Yes? Did you think you would would
Speaker 3: the last for twenty seven years? Back then? No, I
Speaker 3: didn't think. I'm not.
Speaker 1: I knew that that song that I started out with
Speaker 1: ultimately was ultimately was a special song to my pony.
Speaker 3: Yes, because it was supposed to be for a securities intro.
Speaker 1: Yeah there you boy, you you bad. You gotta you
Speaker 1: asked him for her too. I asked him for because
Speaker 1: back in the days, you remember, I ain't gotta tell you,
Speaker 1: but interludes was a big thing for Jodysson and even
Speaker 1: n W uh uh death Row, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So we were doing a lot of intererluds and that's
Speaker 1: what we were following. We was called the Basement, so
Speaker 1: you know Snoop, Snoop, Sug and all of them. We
Speaker 1: had a great connection with Demonte because actually Sugar started
Speaker 1: managing Jodason for a while and so we.
Speaker 2: Kind of kind of took a little bit from them
Speaker 2: and all that, and.
Speaker 7: So that was just something that was uh uh you
Speaker 7: know special for us to do man.
Speaker 3: And and and and just to maintain and do the interlud.
Speaker 1: So once he he was doing something interlude and he
Speaker 1: was playing, I was like, Yo, that's dope, that's dope.
Speaker 2: And then he played Pony. Now now now just pure pictured.
Speaker 1: This okay without the words, because I always felt like Pony.
Speaker 1: Anything could have been put the pony and Pony would
Speaker 1: have been a hit. Right.
Speaker 3: He played that song and he was like, yeah.
Speaker 1: This is gonna be for the this is gonna be
Speaker 1: for the bodyguards something. So and I'm looking at him
Speaker 1: like the bodyguard and it just now, I mean I
Speaker 1: just heard it. I was like, dude, please give me that.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you, please me that for two years
Speaker 1: you mean you meant that it was recorded or ready
Speaker 1: for two years. Y'all heard it is to actually give
Speaker 1: you the actually right now, y'all heard it in ninety six,
Speaker 1: We recorded it in ninety three, ninety four.
Speaker 3: Yeah, y'all, y'all, and what was still popping to this day. Yeah,
Speaker 3: let's make no noise for that. Yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 1: So what happened was when when you asked me about
Speaker 1: did I did I know whether it would be, whether
Speaker 1: I would be here. I didn't know whether I would
Speaker 1: be here, but I knew that song was special. So
Speaker 1: I what I did when I did it and we
Speaker 1: finished our Rest in Peace static major because he wrote
Speaker 1: it and I helped write the verses, but he wrote
Speaker 1: the song, so I don't take no.
Speaker 3: Credit for that. He wrote to the Yeah, he wrote
Speaker 3: the hook.
Speaker 1: Was already done when I came in there, and I
Speaker 1: was like, I gotta help you write these verses.
Speaker 3: I gotta have pie. I got to have a piece
Speaker 3: of that.
Speaker 1: So you know, once that happened, man, I said, once
Speaker 1: once it was finished, was master and all that, and
Speaker 1: D was like, that's your single right there, that's your singing.
Speaker 3: I was like, yeah, it is.
Speaker 1: So once he told me that I reverted back to
Speaker 1: when I saw Michael Jackson on Motown twenty five. I said,
Speaker 1: you gotta do a step to this that will make
Speaker 1: people remember this song forever. And so that's what you
Speaker 1: see in the beginning. I did that in ninety three.
Speaker 3: That was old as a as an artist.
Speaker 1: If we caught a record and it don't drop, most
Speaker 1: of us give up on that record.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it wasn't it. Yeah? Yeah, What the fuck
Speaker 3: made you stay consistent? No?
Speaker 1: That was just one of the things where Davante was
Speaker 1: looking for a deal, and you know, unfortunately we had
Speaker 1: He had like sixteen artists, sixteen acts, and when I
Speaker 1: say acts, it could be five people in one group,
Speaker 1: one people and all that. So, and he was going
Speaker 1: around and they would always say they wanted me, Missy
Speaker 1: and Timbling. So he was going to places and they
Speaker 1: would tell him, no, we want him, we want her,
Speaker 1: and we want Timbling as whatever. And he was like,
Speaker 1: if you don't take them all, you can't have nothing.
Speaker 1: It took me years even.
Speaker 3: To know this because him and his boy fell out.
Speaker 1: I won't say his name because we had some falling
Speaker 1: out or whatever, but it was his boy from home
Speaker 1: and he was just like I gotta tell you, bro,
Speaker 1: like you could have been had a deal and all that,
Speaker 1: And then I'm looking at him like telling you that. No, no, no, that's.
Speaker 3: So I'm looking at him like you a snake. Why
Speaker 3: don't you tell me that?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 3: Why would you.
Speaker 1: Tell me that?
Speaker 3: Period?
Speaker 1: That's your boy. If it wasn't for him, again, my loyalty.
Speaker 1: But if what for him, you wouldn't even be up here?
Speaker 1: Why are you telling me that? Though?
Speaker 2: So I'm looking at him like you a rather dude.
Speaker 2: You you you, you you're wrong.
Speaker 3: But he was telling the truth.
Speaker 1: He was telling the truth, and so he looked at
Speaker 1: it like I guess, man, you're gonna stop these these
Speaker 1: people's talent and they're gonna look up and it's gonna
Speaker 1: be gone. Like like you, we only have a small
Speaker 1: window we have we I mean, if you're lucky, once
Speaker 1: you have that that crew behind you, if you're lucky,
Speaker 1: you know you can get on. But once that phase away,
Speaker 1: like it's kind of just kind of a done deal
Speaker 1: for you, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: So luckily I just stayed with him. I just stayed
Speaker 2: with him and things worked out.
Speaker 1: Man. Maybe he thought y'all would be strong as a
Speaker 1: conglomerate going in, yeah, situation, I think he had just
Speaker 1: had a vision, and sometimes when people have a vision,
Speaker 1: they don't detour from that vision, and sometimes it's a
Speaker 1: hindrance for the people that he has behind him and
Speaker 1: with them, which it was, and so that's why a
Speaker 1: lot of people and the crew we uh, we understood that,
Speaker 1: and we had to have to say, I think we
Speaker 1: did our part in the loyalty category. Now we got
Speaker 1: to start looking out for ourselves. So Missy was pretty
Speaker 1: much the first one on the left. Yeah was miss
Speaker 1: was Missy? Did you ask Missy to write on our
Speaker 1: pony here? First? No? Never? Never.
Speaker 3: Statue was like this mine.
Speaker 2: Because when I heard it, I knew it was different, right,
Speaker 2: And I was like, I was like.
Speaker 1: What the hell? But I knew it was special, and
Speaker 1: so I asked Static. I said, you got to help
Speaker 1: me write this. Man, I don't even know what to
Speaker 1: do with this. But Static was really right, and a
Speaker 1: whole bunch of stuff for the albums that were supposedly
Speaker 1: come coming out and all that. But you know, I
Speaker 1: didn't even know where to start. So he was like,
Speaker 1: I got you, dog, I got you. So he went
Speaker 1: down in the basement. We had this place called the Base,
Speaker 1: that's what our crew was name, and so it was
Speaker 1: like like two floors down.
Speaker 2: It was this place called days GA Line up in Rochester,
Speaker 2: New York.
Speaker 1: And so it was a big building and we had
Speaker 1: studios there everywhere and that's where we got down at, you.
Speaker 3: Know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So so because that record rings off to this day still.
Speaker 3: Now. One thing, one thing that that is shocking about
Speaker 3: it is most people like, you know what, you're doing
Speaker 3: shows before that record, because because you were doing shows,
Speaker 3: because most people who write a hit record, who has
Speaker 3: to hit record, it is catering to the audience. Like,
Speaker 3: so you were doing shows before that, you knew that
Speaker 3: this would work at a show?
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely. I was doing shows since I was like ten,
Speaker 1: get up, Yeah, you know what I mean. So so
Speaker 1: so so my linea is my time in the music
Speaker 1: business goes way back, you know what I mean. I've
Speaker 1: always been an entertainer, like like getting the talent, shows, breakdancing,
Speaker 1: doing all that. So but once I did that, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, I got it, I got I
Speaker 1: got When do you work for KFC? I worked for
Speaker 1: KFC before I went up there. I had i had
Speaker 1: three I had three jobs. Man. I used to work
Speaker 1: neighborhood Investment KFC and I used to work at a
Speaker 1: construction company.
Speaker 3: All the same time.
Speaker 1: Father seeing up and coming artists, Go get yourself a job,
Speaker 1: Go get.
Speaker 3: Yourself a job. Mother had three jobs paying for the dream.
Speaker 1: That motherfucker out here to sleeping on your girl couch. Yeah,
Speaker 1: talking about you struggling artists, you want to be struggling.
Speaker 1: This is real.
Speaker 3: Fact. The other day, like, if you're struggling artists, make
Speaker 3: sure you go get.
Speaker 1: A job, even when I'm even when I made it
Speaker 1: with them, when I thought that I made it in
Speaker 1: ninety I was working at Champs and then me and
Speaker 1: my brother in New.
Speaker 3: York his name is you ain't have Pony out which
Speaker 3: nah we're talking to quit that job.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah after Pony it was working the RAF.
Speaker 1: It was a rap.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I still had that foundation.
Speaker 1: No, man. Now, maybe just like you saying, I'm able
Speaker 1: to tell a lot of the young guys up there now,
Speaker 1: you know, it's just different now though you can just
Speaker 1: sit at home and do what you gotta do. You
Speaker 1: can record your phone. It's different now. But yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean so I'm able to tell that story and know
Speaker 1: that it came from the mud.
Speaker 3: I didn't.
Speaker 1: I didn't get it given to me.
Speaker 3: You know, man, vision about in the nineties, which like
Speaker 3: these kids have it so good. I remember if I
Speaker 3: had to if I wanted my record to be played
Speaker 3: in London, I had to go to London. Oh yeah,
Speaker 3: I had to go to if I wanted to play
Speaker 3: we played in Virginia, I had to visit and bring
Speaker 3: the record. You had to do in stores. Yeah, yes,
Speaker 3: that's how I met you, right, that's what that's what's up. Yeah,
Speaker 3: all of them was good.
Speaker 1: Some of them were staking it on you, you know,
Speaker 1: you know them days they want to get you a
Speaker 1: hug and you're.
Speaker 3: Like, I wish, I wish COVID was out back. I
Speaker 3: was COVID was out back then, but COVID niggas. I
Speaker 3: had to give so many hugs to stinky people, I mean,
Speaker 3: because sometimes they're waiting outside for you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: Those It was crazy, man. But you had to do
Speaker 3: all that.
Speaker 1: You had to do the morning show, you had to
Speaker 1: do the install, you had to do dinners, you had
Speaker 1: to do the you had to do the morning show.
Speaker 1: Promo tour was free. You didn't get paid to do. Man,
Speaker 1: that's when I still hurt, still hurt. Let me promo
Speaker 1: to us hurt right now? My third, my third because
Speaker 1: you know, at the end of the day, you have
Speaker 1: to do promo tours for all your records. And I
Speaker 1: think my third record is when I found out that
Speaker 1: a lot of people don't understand and know that we
Speaker 1: made bag. Like now that y'all saying that bag and
Speaker 1: that was us. Wow.
Speaker 3: Let me let me give you the history. Let me
Speaker 3: give you the history for this. Back in the day,
Speaker 3: you're gonna relate.
Speaker 1: Back in the days, a lot of artists didn't care
Speaker 1: nothing about, you know, the money part of it.
Speaker 2: We just wanted girls. We just want to drinks and
Speaker 2: we want to go the party, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I want them money though. Yeah, well you prob.
Speaker 1: A lot of us, Yeah, playing around and so and
Speaker 1: so my boys Jerry Vines and Cliff Jones back in
Speaker 1: d C. You know that basically came from you remember,
Speaker 1: back in the days, we had what's some things called
Speaker 1: when when you're on the label, uh and and you
Speaker 1: go to the city and you meet.
Speaker 3: The streets, the street street reps.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but they were saying, yeah, it's street wraps or whatever,
Speaker 1: MIXTU meeting now the street reps.
Speaker 3: But it was another name though, but because because there's
Speaker 3: two different people, it's the people that ride you around
Speaker 3: in the event. That's about it.
Speaker 1: It was the name for it, what street reps whatever. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So so they used to trick us. I don't know
Speaker 1: about you, but they used to trick us and say, yo, man,
Speaker 1: we we got this club here.
Speaker 3: Come come on, come on, come on on. So once
Speaker 3: I got to, once I.
Speaker 1: Got to yeah, but they would give you no money,
Speaker 1: right right, And so the whole time, a lot of
Speaker 1: those street reps or whatever they was called, they were
Speaker 1: getting money for it. And so once and so, so,
Speaker 1: once I got a little more seasoned, I was like, man,
Speaker 1: look they're gonna they're gonna have to.
Speaker 3: Pay me today. He's like, man, come on, man, you
Speaker 3: gotta you gotta do this for the record, for the record.
Speaker 1: And so I actually caught somebody, I won't say the name,
Speaker 1: actually caught somebody. And you know, when when you go
Speaker 1: to the bank, they give you like a bag, like
Speaker 1: a bag to put your money in. So I was like,
Speaker 1: we was like, you got that damn bad give me that.
Speaker 3: Damn bag.
Speaker 1: Where that came from so I actually had I still
Speaker 1: got a production company name Bag Entertainment. If you go
Speaker 1: to my fourth CD, uh Snoop introduced my fourth CD,
Speaker 1: The Senior, and he say, Bag Entertainment presents.
Speaker 3: Gen y'all, y'all, Old Jen wants yo from us. That's oh, bro,
Speaker 3: that's oh, that's d C stuff. Okay, that what God
Speaker 3: a game that we play on the show. Okay, playing them.
Speaker 3: I've said a couple of other games. I don't know
Speaker 3: this one. We're gonna give you two choices.
Speaker 1: You pick one, okay, let me if you if you
Speaker 1: if you say both, the neither, we drinking, all of
Speaker 1: us a drink when we with you. We're giving you
Speaker 1: two choices. If you pick one of the two, we
Speaker 1: go move on to the next question. I would drink anyway.
Speaker 3: But if you say both, like you can't make up
Speaker 3: your mind, then we all drink. We don't leave you
Speaker 3: out there. We're taking a shot with you. Okay. By
Speaker 3: the way, me and him don't make up these questions. No,
Speaker 3: these guys motherfuckers over there. It's all mindicans and producers,
Speaker 3: So blame blame these questions on the Okay, cool. By
Speaker 3: the way, this first one is classic? Is this pep
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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah. Are you ready for the first one? Yep,
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Speaker 3: This one I don't know Snoop Dog with Jay Z
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Speaker 1: Taking I was taking the shot even get it out Jodason.
Speaker 3: Yeah we need Joas on him. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, okay,
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Speaker 3: Yeah that was Missy or Eve missing keep sweating, Johnny Gil.
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Speaker 3: Sorry, how would I say to cocause because he's from DC.
Speaker 1: But Keith, that's my brother, So I got take a
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Speaker 3: Boys to Men or Drew.
Speaker 1: Hill, Boys in Vogue or Destiny's Child in Vote Each
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Speaker 3: Take a shot the next one. You're making his drink.
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Speaker 1: Janet Buster or eminem Buster. Okay ou tang or n
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Speaker 3: drink drink that damn man, that's hard that was a
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Speaker 1: Was long?
Speaker 3: Really?
Speaker 8: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I left, came back and still don't oh got it?
Speaker 1: Ye oh you lost? Yeah because you're used for twice
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Speaker 1: skipping though.
Speaker 3: You go back to it. Yeah, okay, Monica or brandy
Speaker 3: drink drink drink. Yeah, I won't have it. I don't
Speaker 3: have it right now.
Speaker 1: No, that's that's that's just get the time. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: do this, man, that's that's nothing. Okay, where you at? Okay,
Speaker 1: let me get the drink first.
Speaker 3: Let's let's let's let's not move some fastest wee drink. Yeah,
Speaker 3: this is just a little bit. Oh man, excuse me
Speaker 3: a heartburn today? Digital or analog? Analog, me too, Tory
Speaker 3: Lanes for the weekend, toy thriller or off the wall.
Speaker 3: You said, thriller, thriller, off the thriller. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: thriller drake or pop Daddy.
Speaker 1: Drink drinking Timberland or Swiss Beak sprint Timberland, Timberland like
Speaker 1: that that.
Speaker 3: Marvin Gate or Smokey Robinson, gad Our Green or Teddy
Speaker 3: pinograd Our Green. Michael Jackson, Michael Jackson old Prince Jackson. Okay,
Speaker 3: you heard you got Michael Jackson. Yeah, we we we are,
Speaker 3: we are. That's why I'm trying to hear this. So
Speaker 3: I'm kind of get and I got a node question
Speaker 3: for you. Oh yeah, Bobby Brown or I'll be sure,
Speaker 3: Bobby Brown. Oldest wedding in Sam Cook, Sam Cook. It's
Speaker 3: been bomb but I do all these your keys drink Drake,
Speaker 3: Stevie Wonder or Luthery Blue the vandos Me and Stevie Wonder.
Speaker 3: You think Stevie could see Yeah, I think I think somebody. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm sorry. You can hear too many stories. We have
Speaker 3: to see for ourselves.
Speaker 1: We had we had the Osley brothers say that they
Speaker 1: saw him crossing the street. I said, wait a minute,
Speaker 1: I bet you he's having a lot of fun because
Speaker 1: he seems like I need the humor.
Speaker 3: I believe something listen across the street.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I'm twenty twenty visits. You know you could be legally
Speaker 3: have a heart to see. You still can see the
Speaker 3: shapes and every and that. Shaq said that he saw
Speaker 3: him pressed up. He said he saw him pressing the
Speaker 3: button and elevator which just him and him want to
Speaker 3: take brother said he crossed the street. The brother said,
Speaker 3: he crosses cross the street.
Speaker 1: Oh, that's not a droke like note, and Shaq said
Speaker 1: that he was he one time lived in the same building.
Speaker 1: He was already in the elevator. Was like, what's up, Jack?
Speaker 1: So I don't know, I'm listening to TV.
Speaker 3: I'm with you.
Speaker 1: Hey, look the senses up. Yeah, sure this is.
Speaker 3: New addition or Jackson five.
Speaker 1: Oh I was.
Speaker 3: Jackson five. Okay, t l C or s w V ah,
Speaker 3: thank you, we both do the last one. Loyalty or respect?
Speaker 3: Loyalty You gonna explain what loyalty?
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know, man.
Speaker 3: It's it's like the respect thing.
Speaker 1: People can respect you for different different read they're scared,
Speaker 1: their view and all that. But I think the loyalty
Speaker 1: thing that that comes from within. It just comes from
Speaker 1: time and just you spending time with somebody and just
Speaker 1: not wanting to see that person hurt and just you're
Speaker 1: gonna ride or die for that person. So loyalty for me,
Speaker 1: it's it's everything, you know what I mean? But yeah, respect,
Speaker 1: respect is good to think. If you lawyer, respect comes
Speaker 1: with respect comes with yeah, because if you let's take. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was perfect answer, like that, No, I have to
Speaker 1: action at one point, now I was like the Prince
Speaker 1: of the hood. He couldn't do no wrong, Prince.
Speaker 3: Prince or king. Let's give him the king showing that
Speaker 3: proper respect. Then there was one record they was like,
Speaker 3: he's sold out, Prince. You're talking about no nor you said, prince,
Speaker 3: that's what you did about Prince the hood. Okay, he
Speaker 3: was a king. This record comes out and this is
Speaker 3: the time, you know, this is the time off Daddy
Speaker 3: is killing him. So so this is my man, this
Speaker 3: is my man. I remember at that time he was like, man,
Speaker 3: my man sold out, not me, I ain't. I'm saying that.
Speaker 3: People were saying right, right, right right because of it
Speaker 3: was And one of those records was you, well, well yeah,
Speaker 3: but in the beginning, I remember Stanning seeing so much
Speaker 3: slack that he was receiving. Was that something that you
Speaker 3: and Simolin received as well, or we didn't receive, Not.
Speaker 1: That it was a smash, but I'm pretty sure, like yeah,
Speaker 1: because because of how he grew up and where it
Speaker 1: was and wrapping all that kind of stuff. But yeah,
Speaker 1: it worked out for us, and I think it was
Speaker 1: more of a commercial success for him and just put
Speaker 1: him on a different plateau. I always felt like, if
Speaker 1: you want to change anything and anyone like gets get
Speaker 1: on that plateau and then allow them to see your reality,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, then you can change you
Speaker 1: can change them. So all the selling out stuff, nah man,
Speaker 1: like like the dude, the dude, that's nas man.
Speaker 3: You can't ever ever say that dude. Yeah, of course,
Speaker 3: of course.
Speaker 1: But I just always wondered it was a commercial SI
Speaker 1: sess for us and and and all of us, so
Speaker 1: you know, just like, well, but back then, I can't
Speaker 1: lie even me, like what are you doing?
Speaker 3: He was my friend. It was only the fellas the lady,
Speaker 3: what's going on? Why you doing? Why you got on
Speaker 3: another shirt? Why are you selling?
Speaker 1: Because that was doing the eraror where you know, you know, puffles.
Speaker 3: Out and he was doing his thing.
Speaker 2: But he was smart about it, you know, he was
Speaker 2: still like, you've been not stepped to me, you know
Speaker 2: what the deal is?
Speaker 3: Now it seems like a genius move.
Speaker 1: Back then, yes, yes, but but guess what, that's what
Speaker 1: makes those icons, those icons they can foresee the funture.
Speaker 3: You got to look at matter. P uh, dame, puff
Speaker 3: you know all those guys.
Speaker 1: That's why they are who they are because they already
Speaker 1: saw the business business part of it. We're looking at
Speaker 1: oh the this that nah, they they're they're looking twenty
Speaker 1: years ahead, fifteen twenty twenty years ahead. You know.
Speaker 3: That's another thing. It's like R and B can make
Speaker 3: it any kind of music, the most beautiful music. And
Speaker 3: we looked at and but you dudes is real dudes
Speaker 3: on the streets. Like one thing I learned your R
Speaker 3: and B, Like like, okay, obviously I came out with
Speaker 3: Baptists and the one thing I've seen I remember having
Speaker 3: a show with you. I'm sure you don't remember, okay,
Speaker 3: but you had the handies just flying on stage. Yes,
Speaker 3: And I was just like, how the fuck do I
Speaker 3: compeep with that? Like what the fuck? It blunts through
Speaker 3: I gotta DJ. People don't read at me. This motherfucker
Speaker 3: had bros handies And I was like what I can't
Speaker 3: get on after that? But that it was like like
Speaker 3: I remember you and l L was like very hard,
Speaker 3: like very hard, like l L would he would change
Speaker 3: because remember we were thinking one Mike, you know, a DJ,
Speaker 3: and I remember l L having a show and him
Speaker 3: giving out flowers and I'm having a show with you,
Speaker 3: and I was just like, this was I did not
Speaker 3: start researching research to you as we get closer to you,
Speaker 3: saying you're going to do this interview and research to you.
Speaker 1: And I realized that that was at every one of
Speaker 1: your shows.
Speaker 3: I thought it was just at the show that I
Speaker 3: did with you that was that.
Speaker 1: You thought that was the panty shows, And then I
Speaker 1: was And then I realized, so was that like something
Speaker 1: you you strategically said that. No, it was multiple encounters.
Speaker 9: Man.
Speaker 1: I never really strategically playing anything like that. But I
Speaker 1: always remember, you know, my mom back back in the
Speaker 1: days of saying that, you know, the ladies throw hannies
Speaker 1: for Yeah, yeah, that's going on. So you know, I
Speaker 1: never I never really planned that, but I welcomed it.
Speaker 1: Of course, I say no going back. So I mean,
Speaker 1: it was it was, it was, it was, it was
Speaker 1: a situation. I was just happy that it was happening
Speaker 1: to me, you know what I mean. So, yeah, because
Speaker 1: of your heroes in the.
Speaker 2: Past, Yeah absolutely, l yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's the man.
Speaker 7: That's the man.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 3: He transcended it like he was, you know, a street
Speaker 3: with it. Yeah, yeah, that was a good dude. Shout
Speaker 3: out there. L So, is there anybody that you wanted
Speaker 3: to work with and you didn't get a chance to
Speaker 3: work with? I really, really, what's the camera?
Speaker 1: The camera help? I really want to work with Mary J.
Speaker 3: Block That is so dope. I really want to work
Speaker 3: with Marria Ja so you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I actually and also Mariah Carrey. Okay, I maybe she
Speaker 1: was the first Nick Cannon. Anyway, we're gonna get.
Speaker 3: You sitting around. Everybody been here. I know, I know
Speaker 3: how you feel. Come on, I'm a look at the camera.
Speaker 1: Mariah. I want to do Fire and Desire with you.
Speaker 1: Rick Jays and Tina Marie.
Speaker 3: I want to do that with you. And I just
Speaker 3: want to do anything with Mary J. Blige anything after that.
Speaker 1: Know, the two people that I've always wanted to do
Speaker 1: something with they're no longer here. That's Michael Jackson and Prince,
Speaker 1: but I was able to pay homage to them while
Speaker 1: they were here. The first CD that I did is
Speaker 1: genuine a bachelor I did when Dove's Crime. The second
Speaker 1: I did one hundred percent genuine and Di she's out
Speaker 1: of my life. I wanted to just to pay homage
Speaker 1: to them while they were here, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: just like you did with the flowers and all that.
Speaker 1: That's that's that's that's a great thing, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. And so because they a lot of artists
Speaker 1: don't understand how how how much we inspire people on
Speaker 1: a daily basis. There's somebody right now in their garage,
Speaker 1: Joe whatever, on their laptop. Now I'm saying garage and
Speaker 1: I'm thinking back in the days, but they on their laptop.
Speaker 1: They want to be the next Pharaal. They want to
Speaker 1: be the next Timberland. They want to be the next Kanye,
Speaker 1: they want to be the next whatever. And so those
Speaker 1: are the two guys that really truly inspired me, Like
Speaker 1: Prince and Michael inspired me to set out on this
Speaker 1: conquest and just to go all out and say this
Speaker 1: is what I'm going to do. There is no second plan,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So I didn't have no
Speaker 1: second plan. I was like, no, I'm doing this, this, this,
Speaker 1: this is it. They've got to meet Prince. Got to
Speaker 1: meet Prince one time. They heard the covers, both of them. Michael,
Speaker 1: I didn't I've never.
Speaker 3: Met I wanted to. That's that that was like when
Speaker 3: you say which one or whatever.
Speaker 1: Michael is always first to me, you know what I
Speaker 1: mean after Motown twenty five. You know that bove that
Speaker 1: goes off in your head or it turns off, turns
Speaker 1: on on, you know, in your head, to let you
Speaker 1: know this is what you're supposed to do. That's what
Speaker 1: happened at night. I was a kid like Prince, Yeah
Speaker 1: you met him? Did he floating?
Speaker 3: He floated in like he never like he never walked.
Speaker 3: I feel like he had a hubble board back then.
Speaker 1: I was actually in what is it minutes in Minnesota,
Speaker 1: whys at Minnesota, Mintonka.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so at his club.
Speaker 1: Well, I was at a club and they said he
Speaker 1: was coming in to do a set, and so I
Speaker 1: just finished the show there.
Speaker 3: So I came in there and I was like, oh
Speaker 3: my god.
Speaker 1: You know, we all turned into fans when it comes
Speaker 1: to back back in the days, we all turned into
Speaker 1: fans when they come to Michael Jackson and Prince and
Speaker 1: Janet Jackson. So, uh, what happened was I walked in
Speaker 1: and I was in there, and I was like, yo,
Speaker 1: so when is he coming.
Speaker 3: It's like two o'clock in the morning. So he came.
Speaker 1: They was like here, here, here, and I was like,
Speaker 1: oh man, I'm scared sweating to.
Speaker 3: See purple shade everything. I saw everything from the story.
Speaker 3: So he came up right, and so listen, this.
Speaker 1: Is this is real, like like like I'm not playing.
Speaker 1: I'm not playing like I was up It was on
Speaker 1: the second second floor, and I think like he had
Speaker 1: he had trap doors or something in the club or
Speaker 1: something like I think he was doing.
Speaker 3: He did this just to say, just just for people.
Speaker 2: Like myself and artists to say, this guy is different.
Speaker 1: God, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: So I'm walking and so he just I swear the
Speaker 3: guy he's just up up here. He just like, I'm serious,
Speaker 3: he just up here.
Speaker 1: And I turned around here and you know the deep
Speaker 1: voice And did I remember somebody said.
Speaker 3: Did you just say Prince had a deep voice? Yeah,
Speaker 3: he got to get back to that.
Speaker 9: Hold on.
Speaker 2: So I remember somebody forgot who said something.
Speaker 3: He said, don't look in his eyes, right, don't look
Speaker 3: at his eyes, don't looking at his.
Speaker 1: Right, saying that's weird. Was like, this is different. So
Speaker 1: so he says, I don't remember what he said. I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna lie here. He said baby yo or gee
Speaker 1: or something, and I turned around and I see I
Speaker 1: see him, and I immediately say, you did not make
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I'm doing it. Oh my god, it's
Speaker 1: so great to meet you to right.
Speaker 3: Oh man, thank you man. Listen, you know I wanted
Speaker 3: to be hobbing to you. I'm doing this.
Speaker 1: He's looking at me like you I'm like this, Yo,
Speaker 1: I'm not looking at you. So because I'm still a fan,
Speaker 1: you care, you know, so uh And he told me
Speaker 1: he was like, I don't usually let I don't usually
Speaker 1: like people to do my and I was like, I
Speaker 1: was hurt.
Speaker 3: My heart dropped. And then he said, but you did
Speaker 3: a good job. I was like, that was here's the magic,
Speaker 3: here's the magic. So my people was.
Speaker 10: There and I was like, yo, he because he was
Speaker 10: like like I was, so I was talking to him right, so,
Speaker 10: thank you dog or that and I was like, yo,
Speaker 10: did you hear that more?
Speaker 3: I turned back around. That's gone, it's gone, disappeared just
Speaker 3: like he did. He didn't stay around. He did like
Speaker 3: that was that's my friend's story. And that's the true story.
Speaker 11: Bro.
Speaker 3: God. Everybody whoever we asked, who ever met prince, they
Speaker 3: always say got like they got a crazy story. I've
Speaker 3: never met Prince and I've never met him. Wow, I've
Speaker 3: never met Tupac neither. Wow, I did you met? Was
Speaker 3: it when you said you guys were dealing with de
Speaker 3: Bro that time?
Speaker 1: Yeah? The first time I met Tupac. He came in
Speaker 1: the studio and we were in uh uh I know,
Speaker 1: you know, Mannhattan Center Center. Okay right, okay, yeah, so
Speaker 1: uh Davante. Uh we were in a studio with Davante.
Speaker 1: It was me static and everything, and Madonna was in there.
Speaker 3: Donald was in there. He was messing with madonnad's I guess,
Speaker 3: yeah there was Yeah, I get in.
Speaker 1: A business, yody, but yeah, but but yeah, he came.
Speaker 3: He came in. She didn't go back. It's true. Once
Speaker 3: she went black, she did not go to that.
Speaker 1: He came in like YEO, what's up and all that.
Speaker 3: So that was like one of my first times.
Speaker 1: And then my boy that wrote a Pony, he was
Speaker 1: a big, huge fan of two five.
Speaker 3: He walked in there and he was his eyes was
Speaker 3: like he was gazed at him. I was like, wow, dude,
Speaker 3: like so yeah he was. He was like, what's up,
Speaker 3: little man? I was like, yeah, you don't even know
Speaker 3: only you.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: He was always a cool dude though. Man, always a
Speaker 2: cool dude.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 1: It was a couple of times that I met him
Speaker 1: because we were always connected with death Row Bro. I
Speaker 1: was like, I was like one of the I was
Speaker 1: the first artists with Danny Boy on his first single,
Speaker 1: That's Me on the hook of Danny Boy's first single.
Speaker 1: So and Danny Boy was the first artist off of
Speaker 1: Death Row and so that's how all of.
Speaker 3: Us really like connected, you know what I mean. Is
Speaker 3: it true that she was a big eiast party the night?
Speaker 9: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah I heard the shots, dude, Yeah, yeah, yeah, it
Speaker 1: was was we were and a lot of people having
Speaker 1: that story. Now all the other specification and stuff I
Speaker 1: don't know about, but it wasn't because it was you know,
Speaker 1: somebody fighting or that.
Speaker 3: It was like a fire has it and so there.
Speaker 1: Was too many people evacuated the evacuated the party, and
Speaker 1: so you know, it was so hard getting on your
Speaker 1: cars for some for some reason.
Speaker 2: And so if you look on the internet, they'll they'll
Speaker 2: show you.
Speaker 1: They'll they'll show they say the name this person was there,
Speaker 1: and they'll show us dancing and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: And yeah, yeah, we actually heard heard the shots, but
Speaker 1: we didn't think it's la, this is this is what,
Speaker 1: this is what happens. And so we went back to
Speaker 1: this hotel called the Nico, but we used to call
Speaker 1: the Negro.
Speaker 3: Absolutely absolutely, and.
Speaker 1: So we was over there and that's when we found
Speaker 1: out what happened and who it was and all that.
Speaker 3: So, yeah, it was ill.
Speaker 1: It was a crazy night, man, But the night before that,
Speaker 1: it was just man, it was just fun. It was very,
Speaker 1: very much fun. Yeah, but we were there, me Missy Timberland, Aliyah,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of Yeah, I believe, ah, I believe,
Speaker 1: I know miss she was there. It was me, Missy
Speaker 1: because we came together, me, Missy tim I believe Timberlin
Speaker 1: was there.
Speaker 3: But yeah, we came together. And you said you heard it.
Speaker 1: We heard it.
Speaker 3: We heard it.
Speaker 1: We heard it, yeah, because we stayed until that happened,
Speaker 1: like we were evacuated. Everybody was like.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, leave da da it's too much and all that,
Speaker 2: and we heard it, but we never.
Speaker 1: Thought about it. We never because we was on the
Speaker 1: other side. We were on the side that they were
Speaker 1: pulling up the cars or something, and so we actually
Speaker 1: heard it.
Speaker 3: We actually heard it. And then how did that feel?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 3: Although, like you know, I kind of engaged with the
Speaker 3: East Coast to West Coast a little bit on the record,
Speaker 3: but I never got the experience none of that. Yeah,
Speaker 3: how did you feel like knowing that? Because I never
Speaker 3: until Biggie and Tupac, like we didn't think that Beef
Speaker 3: would have got that false real like it was a
Speaker 3: battle wrap. It wasn't really about like testing a person's code,
Speaker 3: so testing a person, city texting a person, period. It
Speaker 3: was just battle rap. It's just like, yo, I think
Speaker 3: I'm better than you, something to say I'm better than you. Right,
Speaker 3: But this was the first time that it turned How
Speaker 3: did that feel for you? Not only knowing what's going on,
Speaker 3: but you knew Biggie too, right, Yeah, yeah, you knew
Speaker 3: Biggie you got to meet Tupac. Yeah, So how did
Speaker 3: that feel for you? Personally? Like you like like damn
Speaker 3: like on both sides and knowing where it went. I'm
Speaker 3: just gonna be a hundred with you man. Like after after.
Speaker 1: Tupac, we always was like as far as us as artists,
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm a I'm a I'm a singer, I'm
Speaker 1: an RVRS. I ain't in that, But I was.
Speaker 3: Always like why are they out there?
Speaker 1: Why? Yeah, I was like, why are they out there?
Speaker 1: But you know, it was what it was. You know,
Speaker 1: wars was given and everything was just partying and all that.
Speaker 1: But it made us, not only me, just everybody that
Speaker 1: were that that was involved. As far as on an
Speaker 1: entertainment level, it just made us realize like, look, this
Speaker 1: is real now, you know, so we gotta really you know,
Speaker 1: we actually thought after pop like we thought it was
Speaker 1: subside a little bit and all that, but after that
Speaker 1: we really were like, yo, I didn't go out to LA.
Speaker 3: For a long time and you lived out there. Well
Speaker 3: I had.
Speaker 1: I had a place out there later later on, but nah, no,
Speaker 1: I frequented a lot, but I didn't have no place
Speaker 1: out there.
Speaker 3: I remember me going out there, and after that happened,
Speaker 3: there was still like four years later out there, ninety eight.
Speaker 3: I think apprehensible, right, You're like, no, no, no, I
Speaker 3: remember a record label was physically not let me land
Speaker 3: without security, right, they would have as soon as I
Speaker 3: landed they were because I don't know if they had
Speaker 3: the serance policy on me. I don't. I don't know
Speaker 3: at that time, right, you know, they probably did.
Speaker 1: It was crazy, so it was crazy they would not
Speaker 1: let me travel without that without that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, same, just how was it?
Speaker 1: I was it here again?
Speaker 3: We're R and B artist.
Speaker 1: It totally saying like that, But we we we always
Speaker 1: had our intentnas up because we didn't know at that
Speaker 1: point what it was. It was like, I don't give
Speaker 1: if you a RB areist said ROB and B rap
Speaker 1: or whatever, we're.
Speaker 3: Gonna get you.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean. But for you know, it
Speaker 1: was one of those situations where we just had to,
Speaker 1: you know, just keep our eyes open.
Speaker 3: You know, we always stay alert and.
Speaker 1: Make sure that we're on our square and not slipping.
Speaker 3: Right now, they're saying, like rappers, if you're a rapper,
Speaker 3: that's one of the most dangerous jobs in America. Absolutely.
Speaker 3: Do you feel like do you feel like that statement
Speaker 3: should be famous people? Is being the most dangerous job
Speaker 3: in the mirror because because if a person will try
Speaker 3: to get me, I think that same person will try
Speaker 3: to get you. Is that fear or they're gonna say, man,
Speaker 3: genuine NA girl back in the day?
Speaker 2: Nah, But I don't think it's the same thing.
Speaker 1: I think, you know, the distinction between rap and R
Speaker 1: and B is the distinction, Like it's totally separates crowd.
Speaker 1: Yeah it's not the same, but you still got to
Speaker 1: keep your head on swivel. You can't think it's sweet,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, because you don't know what
Speaker 1: you've done. Just like you just now said that that's real,
Speaker 1: Like like that stuff happens somebody. You don't know what's
Speaker 1: going on. Social media made it work and people think
Speaker 1: they know you even more I do say it. Then
Speaker 1: it could be a woman that you never even knew.
Speaker 1: She just follows you for your whole life, and her
Speaker 1: man is sitting there thinking, oh, this is you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, You probably never even met up, but
Speaker 1: that's with you.
Speaker 3: He sees that, he sees you somewhere lacking.
Speaker 1: And you know, I don't understand when guys do that,
Speaker 1: Like like at the end of the day, if that's
Speaker 1: something that's just happening between your woman and yourself, why
Speaker 1: you met at the guy like don't don't like for
Speaker 1: what like check that, check that, don't don't mess with it.
Speaker 1: I don't know you, you know what I mean, You
Speaker 1: ain't my friend, So I don't know why guys do that,
Speaker 1: But a lot of guys do that.
Speaker 3: That's that's happened to someone confront you and say, man,
Speaker 3: I heard that make skip was like that had to happen, like.
Speaker 1: There had to be a dude that blame you want
Speaker 1: you want, but you ain't gonna give mysel close to me.
Speaker 1: You say you wan.
Speaker 3: Not in person. That's never happened.
Speaker 1: Okay, talking about it, of course that that has happened.
Speaker 1: But again, I don't know you, dude. It's not my friend.
Speaker 3: I don't know you. Like shake, I ain't hearing that.
Speaker 3: I mean whatever, I got guys to go do what
Speaker 3: I need.
Speaker 1: Them to do. Oh my god, Okay, what happened. That's
Speaker 1: that's that's that's that's hating you right now. You ain't
Speaker 1: gonna say sorry.
Speaker 3: G you want angry boyfriend.
Speaker 10: I don't even know how.
Speaker 3: Jamie. Can we got some time? Yeah, we need to
Speaker 3: get some times right, say it too? Yeah, that definitely
Speaker 3: has happened, bro. Yeah, but that's your job is to
Speaker 3: make music and make.
Speaker 1: You ain't hit me. You didn't get me, you didn't
Speaker 1: give me, you didn't give me, because that's that's your job,
Speaker 1: is to make people have babies through your music.
Speaker 3: You don't know how many people, but it's true babies.
Speaker 1: You're responsible besides your own you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: because of the music you make. You making the music
Speaker 1: right to get people in and hopefully I mean, that's
Speaker 1: what R and B always was. It was like yo,
Speaker 1: always have been, always will be. You know what I mean.
Speaker 3: This is what we do.
Speaker 1: We try to We try to make the music that
Speaker 1: allows you to feel where you are and just you know,
Speaker 1: make love and all that.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean, because that's what R and
Speaker 2: B is. Man, We're not trying to tell you to
Speaker 2: go shoot.
Speaker 1: Nobody know. We got this, money, we got this, we
Speaker 1: got that. But you know, at the end of the.
Speaker 3: Day, man, it's all about love. It's all about respect.
Speaker 3: Thank you, David appreciation, you know what I mean. Like
Speaker 3: my foul music, I used to make people just come
Speaker 3: up to me and say, man, I'm went to jail
Speaker 3: and your ship.
Speaker 1: I was like damn, Like damn, why like people come
Speaker 1: up to you and say people got to come up
Speaker 1: to you and be like Joe j you want three
Speaker 1: of my kids because of you. I didn't get a
Speaker 1: lot of respect from the Brothers until I did same
Speaker 1: O G, Same G.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you gonna stop hating.
Speaker 12: After After that, the Brothers was like you girls, He's like, yeah,
Speaker 12: you got a girl, but you are right.
Speaker 1: I said, I'll take whatever.
Speaker 3: It's all good, it's all good.
Speaker 1: But yeah, man, I didn't get too much love until,
Speaker 1: you know, especially from the brothers, until after same o
Speaker 1: G you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: So you're telling me you had shows in the beginning,
Speaker 3: the shows this ninety percent females.
Speaker 7: Ninety five Yeah, I was saving more than that ninety
Speaker 7: five yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah. That's a good thing though, I mean yeah, because
Speaker 1: there's no violence, absolutely no nothing, love nothing but love
Speaker 1: nothing nothing. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, ninety five percent man,
Speaker 1: like back in the days. Yeah, man, because it was
Speaker 1: you know, a lot of the promoters that we were
Speaker 1: dealing with, they knew how to, you know, piece it together.
Speaker 1: That's why when you said earlier that he was on
Speaker 1: to show me, I have been on those shows. I
Speaker 1: was on the shows with Lil Wayne, right, yeah, Cash,
Speaker 1: when I was like, what the hell.
Speaker 3: Do y'all got me on the show? This vice versa.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so that absolutely happens, man. So that's why
Speaker 1: when you said that, I can relate. I understood that, man.
Speaker 1: But that's my lovers and friends. It's a good concert
Speaker 1: because great, it's like six different stages.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, everyone's crowd is going to go to they're a
Speaker 3: different stage. Yes, I believe I had dip set on,
Speaker 3: which made sense on on the stage that I performed
Speaker 3: and who else was on my stage? Who was there?
Speaker 3: Who else was on my stage? Hinky? Like it was
Speaker 3: like they had like you know, my my this thing
Speaker 3: is we like like my kind of era hip hop
Speaker 3: when you hit the stage, what's that R and B stage.
Speaker 2: I really don't.
Speaker 1: I don't really, I don't really no, I really don't remember.
Speaker 1: I think it probably was though. I think they had
Speaker 1: it set up for I think Chinky was on my stage.
Speaker 3: That's my stage, well on my stage, unless winning around
Speaker 3: it was traveling over. I mean I think that.
Speaker 1: I think the time thing I think they tried to
Speaker 1: do also as far as like like the years nineties, eighties,
Speaker 1: uh like the areas that eras.
Speaker 3: That's what I believe. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think that's
Speaker 3: probably what I didn't actually know. That was then Usher's concept.
Speaker 3: You didn't know that, yeah, because even on the Flyers
Speaker 3: gotsher biggest hell on the top and that's the song
Speaker 3: something you own, tell you something. They were so professional.
Speaker 3: I was like I was like, wait a minute, I
Speaker 3: got a big usher up.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that was.
Speaker 3: They knew were to get the cards from this point,
Speaker 3: like you can tell that it was an artist running
Speaker 3: the show. I didn't see. I tried to get I
Speaker 3: saw everybody but Okay and loud Kim. I didn't get
Speaker 3: to see the little kimp from h we were on
Speaker 3: the same stage. You want to say that even if
Speaker 3: you could tell that was afterwards, I knew. I noticed
Speaker 3: that artists want to take care of another artist. We
Speaker 3: don't really we don't really want to.
Speaker 1: Be put in that position where we can't can't take
Speaker 1: take care of each other.
Speaker 3: So I'm guessing he knows the needs. He knows, Yeah,
Speaker 3: he knows what it is. It's there ever been a
Speaker 3: time you went to a show and was like, man,
Speaker 3: this ship is not to put together. Let me get
Speaker 3: the fuck out of here, or you just yeah, I
Speaker 3: walked out of some ship before after I performed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, ok, yeah, yeah, because like like, if you pay me,
Speaker 1: you already, Yeah, I'm gonna do what I'm supposed to do.
Speaker 3: You know, even if it's unorganized, you don't real to
Speaker 3: give a fucking just I'm gonna you got my money.
Speaker 1: I gotta do.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't stay.
Speaker 1: I don't stay now, especially with tours and everything that
Speaker 1: I'm on, I usually never stay. I go do what
Speaker 1: I'm supposed to do because pretty much we tour with
Speaker 1: each other a lot throughout the summers and all that
Speaker 1: kind of stuff. So I've seen pretty much everybody's show,
Speaker 1: So I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't really stay a lot. I go do what
Speaker 2: I'm gonna do.
Speaker 3: Let me ask you what's on your writer?
Speaker 1: That's a specific I actually came up with a show
Speaker 1: called Rituals and Riders, and I was trying to come
Speaker 1: up with, you know, saying, you know what outlandish things
Speaker 1: that some of us artists come up with to have
Speaker 1: on our rider. So and there's there's really Now I'm
Speaker 1: sorry that that part of it is that you're not
Speaker 1: going to be entertained, but.
Speaker 3: That all water juices.
Speaker 1: Just a yellow I know, I know you're talking abouts
Speaker 1: and snapples on his job. You don't.
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't do that.
Speaker 3: You don't have a crazy rider. I went to seafood
Speaker 3: a little bit. That's about his crab legs. That's about
Speaker 3: it's a little crazy, a little crazy. It's a little crazy.
Speaker 3: Look the room smelled different. You got to receive the
Speaker 3: panties after that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, about to I went to Japan after l The
Speaker 1: promoters loved me so much after because he must have
Speaker 1: had the worst wader everybody. God, you had to get
Speaker 1: green apples, Oh damn in Japan.
Speaker 3: I guess that's exclusive.
Speaker 1: So I guess like red apples is standard in the
Speaker 1: world and green apples it's not something like that.
Speaker 3: That might be backwards. But he had I'm doing some
Speaker 3: crazy ship and I had Cigars Hennessy at the towns
Speaker 3: a Hennessy drinker that's cigars Hennessy and water. Yeah, and
Speaker 3: maybe a Gatorade. Gatorade at one point.
Speaker 11: That was it.
Speaker 3: I stepped when I went out to l So you're
Speaker 3: telling me you don't got no crazy sit on your
Speaker 3: work crab. Okay, okay, okay, that's that DC ship. Yeah,
Speaker 3: kid brought them all maryland Lord them crabs.
Speaker 6: How has it been seeing your your audience from the
Speaker 6: early nineties grow up with you?
Speaker 1: You know what? Throughout my my tenure in this business, man,
Speaker 1: it's always been a blessing for me to just see
Speaker 1: the people grow with me. And I've always said I'm
Speaker 1: not going to be the artist now that's trying to
Speaker 1: do the things that the young cats is doing right now,
Speaker 1: because I think that's corny.
Speaker 3: How I would never do that, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So I think the people that's been with me throughout
Speaker 1: my time in this business, of course, they're still here,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: My my my h age thing is like twenty five
Speaker 3: and whatever.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm at thirty on. So I don't, I don't,
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't really buy into, you know, just
Speaker 1: doing what everyone else is doing. I think that, you know,
Speaker 1: as an artist, you got to continue to build with
Speaker 1: the people that's been following you for the year. Yeah,
Speaker 1: your foundation is there, so cater to them, don't try to.
Speaker 1: They got who they have, they got what they want,
Speaker 1: they got who they like. Don't try to be that,
Speaker 1: you know, continue to move on your your your legacy
Speaker 1: and keep moving in your time and people will support you.
Speaker 1: You just got to do the things that they they
Speaker 1: they feel as interesting and you know, and and and
Speaker 1: and doing the things that you've been doing. But at
Speaker 1: that point, like when the people constantly you know, support you,
Speaker 1: they have to realize that at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: you should not change. They shouldn't change, they should go.
Speaker 1: They're going to be there.
Speaker 2: And hopefully they'll they'll just still support you.
Speaker 3: How is it having a cult? That's what it seems like.
Speaker 3: No cold coke, hope I did, I wish I did,
Speaker 3: I wish I did. Loyal folk, a loyal following. Some
Speaker 3: people might take it as a colt. We just said earlier,
Speaker 3: yeah about the followers, and what did you say? Sometimes
Speaker 3: it's a color religion is what I know? That you
Speaker 3: have followers when you when you're out twenty five years,
Speaker 3: most people say in five years they tired of this
Speaker 3: artist all ship two years? Right now six months? You
Speaker 3: know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Right now?
Speaker 3: Six months? This is supposed to be music music. For
Speaker 3: you to have such an illustrious and you know career
Speaker 3: that lasted that long, it has to be like see
Speaker 3: it like you go, you're going back to Minnesota. You
Speaker 3: probably see that same dude that was there ten years ago,
Speaker 3: and that shit is dope.
Speaker 1: Seeing that same fans and they're growing, they having kids now,
Speaker 1: like that shit has got to be amazing feeling.
Speaker 3: How does it.
Speaker 1: Totally feels great to have have the following that you have, man?
Speaker 1: And just when you say the cult thing and all that.
Speaker 1: That's that's great, man, that's great because it's a testament
Speaker 1: to you know, what you've done throughout your career and
Speaker 1: the feelings and the people that you've touched, and so
Speaker 1: that's that's vital. That's important in order for you, for
Speaker 1: you to have longeviy. So so as long as you
Speaker 1: do that, I always tell these young cats like, try
Speaker 1: to do time this music. Don't don't don't do flavor
Speaker 1: of the month, do timeless music, because I've seen them coming,
Speaker 1: I've seen them go.
Speaker 3: I've seen them coming and I've seen them go, and
Speaker 3: I'm like, wow, this is credibly when you've seen them
Speaker 3: arab they were cocky, they were very.
Speaker 1: You the old there like okay, all right because I
Speaker 1: was told that too, like early on, and that's what
Speaker 1: you know. Gauge gauged me in and I was just like, okay,
Speaker 1: just always just be you also, but also remain the
Speaker 1: humble person that you are, because it can be here
Speaker 1: today and gone tomorrow. One of the one of the
Speaker 1: craziest things that happened to me was when I went
Speaker 1: up to Sony and I asked them, I was like,
Speaker 1: release me.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean, you know how it is when.
Speaker 1: A new whole team comes in, takes takes over a
Speaker 1: label and they're not even talking about you. They don't
Speaker 1: even have any sign you. They didn't sign you, so
Speaker 1: they don't have no to.
Speaker 3: So I'm looking, I'm just like, God, wait, man, this
Speaker 3: happens like every five years and then.
Speaker 1: And so I went up there, and I went up
Speaker 1: there and I was like, you know what, y'all not
Speaker 1: messing with me. Yeah, I didn't use those words.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean, So let me go.
Speaker 1: Let me do what I do. Y'all ain't you know?
Speaker 3: I don't mens me. And when that happened.
Speaker 1: The first time that I felt it was when we
Speaker 1: did a show and some of those artists from that
Speaker 1: label on the show, and the people that I.
Speaker 3: Knew that were the reps or whatever. They was like, man,
Speaker 3: we can't work with you.
Speaker 1: Man, you can't because the label said this and the
Speaker 1: label said that, and you truly, as an artist feel naked.
Speaker 1: You don't because we came up in the era where
Speaker 1: everything was taken care of it for us.
Speaker 3: And so like when that happened, I was like, it's real,
Speaker 3: It's real.
Speaker 1: So there's never been another time there's never been a time.
Speaker 3: Where you feel so naked in the business.
Speaker 1: And I was just looking at Unsung I think it was,
Speaker 1: and Money said the same things. He was like, once
Speaker 1: you do that, like you, Yeah, you don't know where
Speaker 1: to go, you don't know who to talk to, You
Speaker 1: don't know. It feels like you just got shut out
Speaker 1: your house, you know. So one of the questions you
Speaker 1: forgot to ask some quick time with Slive is major
Speaker 1: all independent?
Speaker 3: What do you prefer? Wow?
Speaker 2: I still I still prefer the major, but not the
Speaker 2: three sixty.
Speaker 3: That comes with the major.
Speaker 1: Like and that's just because the time that I was
Speaker 1: I was in the business. The independent thing is a
Speaker 1: great thing, but you have to be a special individual
Speaker 1: to be independent because you got to be willing to
Speaker 1: put in that work and your own money. You put
Speaker 1: up your own money and risk it. And you know,
Speaker 1: for me, I came up during the time where everything
Speaker 1: was taking care of for you. And you know, now,
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to start over like that. I'm just
Speaker 1: blessed to be in a position that I'm in to
Speaker 1: continue to do the things that I'm doing, shows, TV
Speaker 1: and all that kind of stuff because of the history
Speaker 1: that I've created. So and you have a gold independent album, right,
Speaker 1: I have a yeah, gold independent album. Yeah yeah, yeah, yes,
Speaker 1: it was a man's thoughts. Yeah, that's the last chance
Speaker 1: you Yeah, yeah, that's that's.
Speaker 3: Most people celebrate an independent album at fifty thousand to
Speaker 3: one hundred thousand, break that because most of even less.
Speaker 3: I mean, you sold thirty independent. That's true, it's a
Speaker 3: lot of money. But what I'm saying is if you
Speaker 3: if you was a platinum artist before and you went major,
Speaker 3: it's like that was the numbers from fifty thousand to
Speaker 3: one hundred thousand. You know, obviously anything more as a plus,
Speaker 3: but the fact that you had a chance to do that,
Speaker 3: what gold for one hundred thousand that you that's really saying.
Speaker 2: I don't know right right there, because I was with
Speaker 2: we got the same name because we fell out.
Speaker 1: I don't even know. I don't want to say the name,
Speaker 1: but we did. We did a goot good job. So
Speaker 1: you know, for me to continue on after that was
Speaker 1: a big situation for me. But I realized, like, once
Speaker 1: you get to a search certain point and you've made
Speaker 1: your statement and you've done a lot in the business,
Speaker 1: you're pretty much on cruise control. If you know, what
Speaker 1: you're doing. And I've been on cruise control for fifteen
Speaker 1: years now, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Ten fifteen years.
Speaker 1: So when people ask me, are you coming out with anything,
Speaker 1: I'll be like, yeah, but I'm gonna do it when
Speaker 1: I need to do it or I feel it. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna do it just because you know you're
Speaker 1: saying I should do it. And a lot of my
Speaker 1: friends and people that around me don't understand that. But
Speaker 1: it's not for you to understand. You gotta feel it,
Speaker 1: you know. I remember back in the days where we
Speaker 1: used to go in the studio.
Speaker 3: We would lock it out for two months. We won't
Speaker 3: do that no more. They don't do that no more.
Speaker 1: It's probably spending two hundred thousand doing that. Yeah about
Speaker 1: that with the Fool budget is different remember the Reils. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: it's carry a little doff around.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, Like, we just different back then.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of money back then.
Speaker 1: To be wasted. Back then, we.
Speaker 3: Couldn't punch department was taking extra money. The good part
Speaker 3: about that analog is we learned not to punch in Like, yeah,
Speaker 3: but these kids make your work. Yeah, I can hear
Speaker 3: when you punched in like, you have to be good.
Speaker 3: You have to be always say good. I always say
Speaker 3: analogue was ill and you picked that I said earlier. Yeah,
Speaker 3: because me and FN have this debate and I think
Speaker 3: we were pretty much on the same side. Is that
Speaker 3: because back in the days, if you wanted to do
Speaker 3: a record with me or I want to do a
Speaker 3: record with you, I would have to go to d
Speaker 3: C or you would have to come to New York.
Speaker 3: We have to sit in both filled out the vibe,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, And depending on.
Speaker 1: How we vibe, that's depending on how great the record
Speaker 1: would come out.
Speaker 3: Do you think that's something that's missing out here?
Speaker 1: Absolutely in you saying that I was one of we
Speaker 1: were one of the artists during that era that had
Speaker 1: that that that had that ability to do that. NAS
Speaker 1: and me when we did that, he was in LA
Speaker 1: I was yeah, I mean he was in New York.
Speaker 1: I was in LA. Oh. Yeah, I didn't do that.
Speaker 1: We never even had met until the video shoot Get
Speaker 1: the Funk out of Here, Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: We we wasn't in the same and it was physically
Speaker 3: sending the reels in the mail and that was that
Speaker 3: was the.
Speaker 1: First time, not first time, I'm pretty sure, but that
Speaker 1: was that era when people didn't have to be what
Speaker 1: he think, and of course actually crossing into digital at
Speaker 1: that time, yeah, into it, so so yeah. I mean
Speaker 1: I heard him, he was in the studio. I didn't
Speaker 1: see him what he but I heard he was like,
Speaker 1: what was up? All you guys were live? Yeah, like
Speaker 1: for real, talked about even him doing stuff like that.
Speaker 3: So so so we did you know? I was in
Speaker 3: l A and he and he was in New York.
Speaker 1: You gotta shot shots, right, Let's go. God, damn, let's go, Horner.
Speaker 3: This is sucking me up. So what is your favorite part?
Speaker 3: Is it making the music or performing the music? Performing?
Speaker 3: I could I could tell your answer already get pennies
Speaker 3: throwing him. I'm gonna be honest with you, go said,
Speaker 3: when you on that stage, I see I see you
Speaker 3: having so much.
Speaker 1: That's fun, but not only that. Yes, I see that
Speaker 1: that's your dope man. That's where I'm comfortable at.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I see that.
Speaker 1: That's your dope man. That's where I'm totally comfortable. I
Speaker 1: was telling my brother everybody, sister over there, Gussie, we
Speaker 1: were talking in in the I can't I can't let
Speaker 1: y'all know what I'm doing. But she they know that
Speaker 1: I'm I'm actually a little like reserved.
Speaker 3: I don't like to use shy. Yeah, I'm a little reserved.
Speaker 3: And I never like to come out of my comfort zone.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean.
Speaker 2: So stage is your stage is my comfort zone.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. So I can be silly,
Speaker 3: hen be dumb, I can be serious. All all things
Speaker 3: is doable on.
Speaker 1: The stage, you know what I'm saying. But I hate
Speaker 1: the studio. I can't stand the studio. Bro tires like
Speaker 1: that too. My boy, he's like that too, living there.
Speaker 1: But I can't stand the quicker. I can't get out
Speaker 1: quick enough. Who's somebody who make you feel comfortable in
Speaker 1: the studio, something that makes you feel no one's ever
Speaker 1: in the studio. When I'm in the studio, it's only
Speaker 1: me and the engineer. Wow, not even the producer. I
Speaker 1: put tim out. I put everybody is like she doesn't
Speaker 1: like to anybody. I'm telling you, that's.
Speaker 3: Unless your cancer, that's what your history.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't need you can't be in here.
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't need you to tell me when I'm off.
Speaker 1: And then I don't like to whole have a whole
Speaker 1: bunch of people there, and then if I do something
Speaker 1: they say.
Speaker 13: I don't like that.
Speaker 3: I don't need you to reconcile that I'm good. I
Speaker 3: don't need you.
Speaker 1: You here to finished product. That's all they need you
Speaker 1: to do.
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't like nobody in the studio.
Speaker 1: If you a writer, right, give give give me the
Speaker 1: track whatever, the local track, yeah and get out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm good.
Speaker 3: But when you come back, you be like, whoa. That's
Speaker 3: what it is with me. Is anybody you ever work
Speaker 3: with and you wanted to work with got to work
Speaker 3: with them? It was disappointed? No never, It's pretty much
Speaker 3: no never never, Like, yeah, I haven't worked with too
Speaker 3: many people. Pop boy, that boy had a party.
Speaker 1: Of course, Sibilians see yeah, I got my baby girl.
Speaker 1: I love her and miss her daily. Yeah no, no,
Speaker 1: no again, because it's not too many people that I
Speaker 1: will allow in the studio that I will work with,
Speaker 1: because if it's something that I didn't like, I just
Speaker 1: didn't do it, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: So I heard you say that Missy called you one
Speaker 3: day and said that she had a dream that Aliah
Speaker 3: forgave you yes, yes, and we were all wondering, like Aliah,
Speaker 3: what was what did Missy mean that a Liah for
Speaker 3: gave for not leaving Devarte on time?
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, she had nothing to do with
Speaker 1: at all like that. That's prior to to us meeting her,
Speaker 1: Missy Temple. It was the beef with It was just
Speaker 1: me and her like during during that time. Here's what
Speaker 1: the issue was. We all was, you know, like a family,
Speaker 1: you know, Missy Timberland, her myself, magoole player tweet, all
Speaker 1: of us.
Speaker 3: I love how you keep naming all of them. I
Speaker 3: got loved that. I love that.
Speaker 2: I love that got I love that. I gotta get
Speaker 2: lays hear me.
Speaker 3: I respect it. But her and I weren't seeing that.
Speaker 1: I you know what I mean. And I think it
Speaker 1: had a lot more to do with her loyalty to
Speaker 1: her uncle then it had to do who you are
Speaker 1: beefing with at the time or yeah, a little bit
Speaker 1: cool with her uncle Barry Hankerson as uh, he was
Speaker 1: the record head and he was the company, was my manager.
Speaker 1: I just decided to leave because of whatever reason, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. And so you know, of course,
Speaker 1: her loyalty is to her family, and so you know,
Speaker 1: that's where pretty much stemmed from. We ain't had no
Speaker 1: beef now is a woman. I ain't beef for no girl,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But it was just one
Speaker 1: of those things where our time had had, you know, separated,
Speaker 1: you know, and so I always wanted to make sure
Speaker 1: that we were cool. But you know, I never got
Speaker 1: the chance and an opportunity, you know, to explain whatever
Speaker 1: it was because things things that was happening. I'm pretty
Speaker 1: sure she was just being told whatever it was, the
Speaker 1: narrative of whatever it was with me, but it was
Speaker 1: a lot behind that, and I think at the end
Speaker 1: of the day she understood. But Missy came and she
Speaker 1: told me one time she had a dream that Aliah said,
Speaker 1: don't worry about it.
Speaker 3: She forgive me, and I cried, that's crazy shot for that.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, going here with the shop of YPO.
Speaker 3: What do you think Ali would be if she was
Speaker 3: still alive in this in this stay.
Speaker 1: I would want her to be on the level where
Speaker 1: where uh B is, I said, yeah, But yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: you just never you just never know. I know that
Speaker 1: she was headed toward that direction, like she was doing
Speaker 1: the movies. She was doing of course she was doing music,
Speaker 1: she was dancing and all that, so you know, we
Speaker 1: just will never know, and that's the bad thing about it.
Speaker 1: But I believe she would god probably be because her
Speaker 1: work work ethic was crazy.
Speaker 3: She would she would.
Speaker 1: I mean she was doing everything, man, So I think,
Speaker 1: you know, as long as she kept that up, and
Speaker 1: she was believable of course in movies and all that
Speaker 1: kind of stuff. So she had every every bit of
Speaker 1: talent that was needed for her to uh, you know,
Speaker 1: persevere and continue to move forward in that, in that genre,
Speaker 1: in that and in that entertainment field.
Speaker 2: So who knows, man, I think she would have been big.
Speaker 3: I would hope she would have been bad. I think so, yeah,
Speaker 3: she would have been. How was it being in the
Speaker 3: Juana Man not Juwanna man?
Speaker 1: Man?
Speaker 3: It was a great time and a horrible time for me?
Speaker 1: Wow, because that was first of all, it was a
Speaker 1: great time because it was like my first movie, and
Speaker 1: so I was nervous as hell. So we all remember
Speaker 1: how and still is like how beautiful and and and
Speaker 1: big Vivica Foxia.
Speaker 2: So here's my first movie and I'm her boyfriend. I
Speaker 2: don't know.
Speaker 3: What to do, how to do it?
Speaker 1: I got a kiss and sing, So, dude, I'm nervous
Speaker 1: as hell, And so I'm like, do I.
Speaker 3: Stick my tongue out of my mouth? Do I do
Speaker 3: I kiss her?
Speaker 1: For real?
Speaker 3: Do you're not asking anybody? No, I'm in my head.
Speaker 2: I'm like, so you just because I'm thinking movies, I'm like,
Speaker 2: make it.
Speaker 3: Believable, nigga, make it believable, Make believble. So I said,
Speaker 3: do I do this? Do I not do I?
Speaker 1: So she came in and there I happened to ask her.
Speaker 1: I was like, look, I don't know what to do
Speaker 1: on this record. You asked her her.
Speaker 3: I mean, she's.
Speaker 1: I don't know what to do, like I'm nervous, you
Speaker 1: vivicualt fox like like she and she she was so
Speaker 1: cool though.
Speaker 3: She made it so easy. She said kiss me. I said,
Speaker 3: oh my god, go ahead, go ahead. I was like, okay.
Speaker 3: But still, but even even even with so did you
Speaker 3: tongue her down there? But even with wanting to be
Speaker 3: with that, it's still awkward because it's still six seven
Speaker 3: eight cameras is so awkward. So how did that happen?
Speaker 1: I probably fumbled the first time because I really didn't
Speaker 1: I really didn't know everything else I was cool with.
Speaker 3: But I was like, okay, you gotta. I think she's
Speaker 3: with some guy I forgot to do.
Speaker 1: Nine. I think it was a guy named sixty nine
Speaker 1: or something. I think she was no, not no, no, no,
Speaker 1: it was like a guy. So I think I was like, well,
Speaker 1: I mean that's easy, that's probably notice.
Speaker 3: But a gang member. No no, no, he was on,
Speaker 3: was saying he was on. He wasn't on.
Speaker 1: I don't think so.
Speaker 3: But again, this is my first movie.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know how they do it, dude, I don't know,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: So so she was just like kiss me. I was like,
Speaker 3: got you. Yeah.
Speaker 1: It was great for me man as far as that
Speaker 1: first start of it.
Speaker 3: But on that set, my mom passed yeah, so so
Speaker 3: so it was. It was.
Speaker 1: It was great. Not only.
Speaker 2: What's her name, Kim Wayne's her brother passed on on yeah,
Speaker 2: and so it was.
Speaker 11: It was.
Speaker 1: It was. It was a crazy set, but we got
Speaker 1: through it and everybody was you know, and it's one
Speaker 1: of those movies that you got to go back and
Speaker 1: look at you know how you Yeah, it's one of those.
Speaker 2: Movies you got to go back and look at me, like, oh,
Speaker 2: this was great.
Speaker 1: This was dope.
Speaker 3: So yeah, but yeah, man, it was good and then
Speaker 3: it was bad for me, and it was that.
Speaker 1: Was that the time you got your love for acting?
Speaker 1: Or do you have the love for acting? Way before that?
Speaker 1: I've really never had a love for acting. Yeah before, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I really.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm just now like opening up to a
Speaker 2: lot of it.
Speaker 1: I've been in parks and recreation, I've been in I
Speaker 1: did a couple of movies and Honey and the Moesha
Speaker 1: and all that, and you know, I knew that just
Speaker 1: came with it. I just wanted the stage, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, all that stuff came with it. I didn't.
Speaker 1: I didn't know about that. You know, that was new
Speaker 1: to me, is it? Because like you know, they have
Speaker 1: you hurry up and wait like that type of ship. Well,
Speaker 1: you know, especially on movie Sesson, your hurry up and
Speaker 1: wait and I'm in patient a lot of times, especially
Speaker 1: back then. I'm just learning a lot of patients. You know,
Speaker 1: having seven girls, you're gonna learn pay seven girls. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so so so I've learned to have a little more patience,
Speaker 1: But early on I had none, Like if you get
Speaker 1: my food wrong, and then the drive through, like I
Speaker 1: just told you the right order, Like why like why
Speaker 1: don't you have the right Like I was very impatient,
Speaker 1: Like I had to learn patience like.
Speaker 3: Early on, you know what I mean. So yeah, because
Speaker 3: movie set is real. Yeah, movie sech is real. Absolutely well.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I did plays and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: Man, But you know, that was really one of the
Speaker 1: things that I wanted to open up as far as
Speaker 1: uh going into movies and stuff like that.
Speaker 3: Because with plays, it's so dope, is it? One take?
Speaker 3: That's the thing. You feel more comfortable on the stage
Speaker 3: with the plays.
Speaker 1: I was like this, I can do more environment you
Speaker 1: got an ad lib. Like with with movies and all
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. Sometimes you can't even stutter. Sometimes
Speaker 1: you can't even say your line twice or something just.
Speaker 3: To get on to the next do different takes and
Speaker 3: do it the same way. And that's not me.
Speaker 1: I've never been in the ABC one, two three. It's
Speaker 1: always on the whim. Just I don't practice. I don't
Speaker 1: do none of that. Like I practice.
Speaker 3: Let me practice. I need to listen. Even to this day,
Speaker 3: I don't practice.
Speaker 2: Like like like my singers and dancers and band members
Speaker 2: they go to sound check.
Speaker 3: I don't go to sound checks sound like somebody I.
Speaker 1: Know here man like like like we're gonna wing it,
Speaker 1: like we're gonna wing it because I think the best
Speaker 1: things creatively come to you when you winging it, like
Speaker 1: all the ABC one two three, like of course, if
Speaker 1: you're doing certain things, I guess it calls for it.
Speaker 3: But me as an artist, give me tell me how much.
Speaker 1: Time I got put the clock right there, but thirty
Speaker 1: minutes for the front match, I got it. Y'all got
Speaker 1: the songs? Yeah, you know what songs to play? Let's
Speaker 1: go and you depend on them now these jay we
Speaker 1: have a DJ. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I have a DJ.
Speaker 3: We do have the song list?
Speaker 1: Yeah, just a song just yeah yeah yeah. So so
Speaker 1: let me do look at my cues boom all that.
Speaker 1: You all that, but you're edit accordingly depending looking at
Speaker 1: the time.
Speaker 3: Absolutely so T T G. We never never get t
Speaker 3: T here we gotta get yeah, we never get a
Speaker 3: shot shop woman warming up, warm it up.
Speaker 1: 's h First off, I know you probably said this
Speaker 1: sorry for other places, but for.
Speaker 3: Our fans, oh here we go, get to you. No, no,
Speaker 3: we have we had tank, we had tank, take tank.
Speaker 3: But for our fans, we don't know what happened right,
Speaker 3: and we can't see why it can't be worked out.
Speaker 3: So just just I mean, I probably know, I don't
Speaker 3: I don't think I know, but our fans to the
Speaker 3: fans out there that don't know, who's probably never heard
Speaker 3: your side of the story, it's really to tell the truth.
Speaker 1: I don't even know a lot of the stuff that
Speaker 1: the guys has been saying, But it has never been
Speaker 1: because of them. It has always been because of me
Speaker 1: fallen out of love with music for a while, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean.
Speaker 2: So that's just what it would have been. I don't
Speaker 2: even know how they explain it.
Speaker 1: I think people form their own opinions when it comes
Speaker 1: to that, but that is so wrong when you know
Speaker 1: you truly don't talk to one another to find out
Speaker 1: certain things. But at the end of the day, me,
Speaker 1: I've always felt like listen and if I get that
Speaker 1: love back for that, then and then I'll do it.
Speaker 3: First of all, if.
Speaker 1: I had the love or one wanted to do an album,
Speaker 1: I'd have done it for myself first. I haven't came
Speaker 1: out with the CDs and since since TGT or whatever,
Speaker 1: so it's never.
Speaker 2: Been about tie or tag, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Or nothing like that. It's just I don't never want
Speaker 1: to cheat my audience ever, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: If I can't give you one hundred and ten percent,
Speaker 1: so I am not going in there. If I don't
Speaker 1: feel it, I'm not going in there. And sometimes it
Speaker 1: other it takes people a certain amount of time to
Speaker 1: get in there and get that love and that appreciation
Speaker 1: for what they're doing and just to want to give
Speaker 1: their best and have that competitive spirit. For a while,
Speaker 1: I didn't have that competitive spirit anymore. So I just
Speaker 1: did not want to go in there and cheat my audience.
Speaker 1: Had nothing to do with them, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: nothing to do it. But again that's why when you
Speaker 1: say that, you never heard that from me, because I'm
Speaker 1: not fighting you. I'm not going to fight you know
Speaker 1: the people out there that think something or whatever, you know,
Speaker 1: until you hear it from my mouth, like that's what
Speaker 1: it's going to be, that's what it is.
Speaker 3: But no, it's never been. For Tie, that's my boy, Tank,
Speaker 3: that's my boy.
Speaker 1: You know, it is what it is. But I don't
Speaker 1: want to cheat them, and most of water, I don't
Speaker 1: want to cheat the people and was supposed to be
Speaker 1: the Yeah, I actually I started the whole thing, the concept,
Speaker 1: and of course it wasn't TGT. We came up with
Speaker 1: that as we was working, but with a plane tank
Speaker 1: I think that way.
Speaker 3: I don't remember. I don't remember.
Speaker 2: But Tie wasn't even our first my first choice.
Speaker 1: It was a vant levant was doing a record, was
Speaker 1: coming out with a record, and so he was like,
Speaker 1: I can't uh, you know whatever, and so I was like,
Speaker 1: come on, let's call TIE. And so it was formulated
Speaker 1: like in two thousand and eight, but it never was
Speaker 1: brought to fruition to what two thousand and thirteen, fourteen whatever.
Speaker 14: It was.
Speaker 2: So yeah, but once that half then a lot of
Speaker 2: other things.
Speaker 1: Came in in the play. So I was just like, ah, man, okay,
Speaker 1: money issue, yeah, yeah, yeah, And for for me, that
Speaker 1: is one one of that is one of the issues
Speaker 1: early on, right, I don't think you get into a
Speaker 1: group to say that you're better than the group, like
Speaker 1: if you're if you feel that way, stay so yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, You don't. You don't get
Speaker 1: into a group to say, oh, I'm bigger or whatever.
Speaker 1: And so that that rubbed me the wrong way first
Speaker 1: of all. But I was still like Okay, let's let's
Speaker 1: It took a little convincing, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: But I was like, okay.
Speaker 3: Let's let's do this. But it was the second time
Speaker 3: that the same thing happened.
Speaker 1: Because I was already through the first time and I
Speaker 1: entertained it the second time, and once that subject in
Speaker 1: that specific situation came up and it was again that
Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, I'm good.
Speaker 3: I'm good, dog. I mean, you can answer this. I'm
Speaker 3: good except way you want. But when you say that
Speaker 3: he got more money, are we talking about for the
Speaker 3: upfront advanced?
Speaker 11: No?
Speaker 2: No, no, no, for sure show It was like a
Speaker 2: show thing and like the upfront.
Speaker 1: But then but here's what I presented to present it,
Speaker 1: you know, the second go round, I was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: we can do that, but when the bills come in, you.
Speaker 2: Pay that same percentage that you're getting. It can't be
Speaker 2: can't be equal when the bill come in.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean.
Speaker 3: So we're gonna keep it funky, keeping funky. So So
Speaker 3: once that was discussing, I was like, first of all,
Speaker 3: I'm cool, bro, I'm cool.
Speaker 1: I don't I'm cool. I'm comfortable, so I don't need
Speaker 1: to do it and so I've always been a true
Speaker 1: believer the things that the way that things start out
Speaker 1: is the way that things finished. And so with me
Speaker 1: already being on the edge after the first time going
Speaker 1: into the second time, it's being that way. I was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: so we won't fight, so we won't hate each other.
Speaker 1: I'm fine. I actually even say, get another person. I
Speaker 1: don't know if even actually told you.
Speaker 3: I don't know if he.
Speaker 1: I say, I said, get another letter, Like I'm good,
Speaker 1: get another letter, you know what I mean. And so
Speaker 1: I think I think that that's what you know what
Speaker 1: what drove me to the point where like, okay, cool,
Speaker 1: I'm we're still friends.
Speaker 3: I want to still be you know whatever. But but
Speaker 3: but I'm gonna be honest. It is a classic. It is.
Speaker 3: I love that record.
Speaker 1: I don't even listen to my own records, but that
Speaker 1: CD I listened to is absolutely listen to. What would
Speaker 1: it take nothing? I can't do it speaking from his
Speaker 1: own now, I'm not gonna do it. My brother hate that,
Speaker 1: but you absolutely say never.
Speaker 3: Never. I'm not doing that because you before you were
Speaker 3: saying when you when you're ready.
Speaker 1: I'm not down. Now I'm talking about me. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: not doing that no more. Wow, do we take a
Speaker 1: shot to that? We can't never?
Speaker 3: I don't know, I don't know, I don't know. On,
Speaker 3: I gotta start right here. Let's go, let's go. Come on, listen, listen,
Speaker 3: you gotta take it. We're gonna sit this one this time.
Speaker 3: Let's sip this mother.
Speaker 5: Let's say.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, say yeah, you never can say never again.
Speaker 3: I'm be real with it. Never can say never. But
Speaker 3: that's way I am now now. But wait for your shot.
Speaker 3: Maybe the right situation. I'm watching very closely, sir. Go ahead.
Speaker 3: It's not a shot. This is not okay, wow, because
Speaker 3: if a label came with the right situation, because let's
Speaker 3: suppose that's another situation. Let's suppose there's another situation that
Speaker 3: caused the situation. Yes, listen, let him expland I'm bad.
Speaker 3: I'm bad.
Speaker 1: Ahead, I don't even know how to explain this though,
Speaker 1: because it's all it's all got to do with the time.
Speaker 3: Okay, back in the day, if we if if if we.
Speaker 1: Didn't do something that we were supposed to do, and
Speaker 1: we contracted, we contractually obligated ourselves to do, would they
Speaker 1: give us a pass?
Speaker 3: But let me, let me, let me be. I'm just
Speaker 3: you're asking about the deals back then. Yeah, usually wouldn't
Speaker 3: give this is something.
Speaker 6: This is true for thought this, but let me be
Speaker 6: that was you'd be stuck on the label and definitely
Speaker 6: if you didn't do what you had to do.
Speaker 3: How about this, let me be demo's advocate. What if
Speaker 3: a label came to y'all and said, I want to
Speaker 3: buy T G T right. Okay, I want to get
Speaker 3: T G T right. But what and but the thing is,
Speaker 3: I'm going to negotiate with you on the side. I'm
Speaker 3: going to negotiate with him on the side. Done, and
Speaker 3: I'm not doing that. No, but what what if that
Speaker 3: what if that label comes with the number you want
Speaker 3: to forget?
Speaker 1: The number?
Speaker 3: No? No, no, we we if if you want to
Speaker 3: split down the middle three? Yeah, to talk about, but
Speaker 3: what came and what a number that you like?
Speaker 1: I don't give a fuck no, because because you group?
Speaker 1: Why can you say it's a possibility that anyone.
Speaker 3: Else story If we are in a group, we are
Speaker 3: a group. If you want to be solo, just go
Speaker 3: sold let me alone. Let me understand your aloud.
Speaker 1: You can't get in a group or anything to say
Speaker 1: you're better that that that now turns turns it into
Speaker 1: something else between you and me, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: like like and so that's why I took the higher
Speaker 1: road and was like, it's not like we started out
Speaker 1: as a group. And that's why I feel for a
Speaker 1: lot of groups, because a lot of times that's what
Speaker 1: you will only be known for, feeling we are three
Speaker 1: kings solo sept have to do this, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean.
Speaker 3: Don't have to do this, Todd, don't have to do this.
Speaker 1: So we did that because we are friends and we
Speaker 1: felt that it would be something special for the people.
Speaker 1: But the inner inner, you know stuff, you know, kind
Speaker 1: of messed a lot of things up. But it wasn't
Speaker 1: because you know, I wasn't willing to ben and you know,
Speaker 1: try to make things work.
Speaker 3: I did that in the beginning.
Speaker 1: If if, if, if I was stuck to my guns,
Speaker 1: they would never even been the first joint.
Speaker 3: Right now, if someone comes and says three three three
Speaker 3: split down the middle, lying MAUI, you're gonna make the
Speaker 3: record for all damn you. You know what I mean?
Speaker 13: Heybo, we should have had to talk, but devastated right there,
Speaker 13: you know, you didn't take.
Speaker 3: This too, look at all. Oh yeah, let's not keep.
Speaker 1: My evidence right here, just in case anybody you can smell.
Speaker 3: Every cup is de leon in there. God damn it.
Speaker 3: You're drinking choices Hennessy. Yes, so you used to like
Speaker 3: to fight a lot. Yes, and we call that Look
Speaker 3: at me pretty because.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because anybody who drinking Hennessy and my acknowledgement.
Speaker 3: Yeah, very aggressive person, you're very laid back. You got
Speaker 3: it together. Yeah, at one point, at one point he
Speaker 3: was wanding out when you was on tour. Yeah, you
Speaker 3: was drinking hennessy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like.
Speaker 2: If he was, uh social media back then, it's been
Speaker 2: a little different.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, no tough guy stuff.
Speaker 1: It was just stupid young boy stuff, you know, nothing
Speaker 1: tough guys like that. But yeah, I'm glad it was
Speaker 1: no social media back then.
Speaker 3: Yeah, sir, sir. Yeah, what's what's like the walls thing
Speaker 3: you've seen on tour? You question? How about the below something?
Speaker 3: I mean, I mean, come on, man, like like the
Speaker 3: tour the after parties is always something that.
Speaker 1: You experience and you just say, wow, I never thought
Speaker 1: this was possible, Like this is.
Speaker 3: It's like it's crazy, man.
Speaker 1: Yeah, when I was younger, man, like, and I can't
Speaker 1: imagine damn your shows because some of the shows that
Speaker 1: we were doing was a little crazy. You just see
Speaker 1: a lot of crazy stuff, like you just see I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know, Like I've said, I've seen you act
Speaker 1: so like that's the craziest thing that happened.
Speaker 2: The same thing has happened to a lot a lot
Speaker 2: of artists.
Speaker 1: When you check in the.
Speaker 3: Hotel and some girls or a girl is in your room.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, Now back in the days, we'll be able
Speaker 1: to be like, oh we if I'd have thought back then, I.
Speaker 3: See the hotels, I do, but I'm young.
Speaker 14: I'm like, you get busy, your stalker is coming through you.
Speaker 3: Like, yeah, that's the.
Speaker 1: Best thing about being a seasoned artist that have made
Speaker 1: it through all that. All that now now you can
Speaker 1: see all the hiccups. You can see all the craziness
Speaker 1: that can happen later and you try to, you know,
Speaker 1: remove yourself from that situation. And so, like I said, like,
Speaker 1: I'm glad wasn't like a lot of social media there
Speaker 1: are in those times, because yeah, a lot of crazy
Speaker 1: things happen.
Speaker 3: Let me ask you, what do you like more, being
Speaker 3: married or being single? I'm not married. I know, I'm
Speaker 3: just saying, Oh, we all period, period, overall life being married,
Speaker 3: being married. I heard you say that before, you said
Speaker 3: for a man. I thought there was a dope speech.
Speaker 3: You said for a man, you feel like a man
Speaker 3: should be married?
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, I feel like it betters us, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean, because it.
Speaker 3: Limits our ground. It kind of vides us.
Speaker 1: But I also feel like, you know, because of how
Speaker 1: the world is and where we are, you know, we're
Speaker 1: taught a certain, certain certain way, and so I feel like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think marriage is the best thing for a guy,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, because only bad things come
Speaker 1: from you just doing a whole bunch of them. True,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like, only only bad things
Speaker 1: come come from that. And so.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm I'm I'm looking for that, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean.
Speaker 1: So in love absolutely absolutely, there's nothing like that, especially
Speaker 1: we had the kids and every everything. You know, I
Speaker 1: was I was speaking to a young fella, and I
Speaker 1: was just like, man, when I came home finally, I mean,
Speaker 1: once the divorce and all that happened and I came
Speaker 1: home and the house was empty, I was like, it's real.
Speaker 3: It's like no towels do everything.
Speaker 1: Quiet, quiet, nothing happened, And I was like, I don't
Speaker 1: like this.
Speaker 3: No one to argue with this.
Speaker 1: I like this. I mean you don't.
Speaker 2: You don't miss it until it's gone, you feel me?
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think I think the best thing for
Speaker 1: a guy is to have that stability in a woman
Speaker 1: and kids, in a family and just you know, just
Speaker 1: be a family man. It's catching God, just catching up.
Speaker 3: Your right now. I feel like you manage yourself. Absolutely.
Speaker 3: We need you to explain that to these artists. Yeah.
Speaker 3: One that don't think they can do that. Yes. And
Speaker 3: two the reason why.
Speaker 1: As far as me managing and doing a lot of
Speaker 1: the stuff that I do for me on a daily basis,
Speaker 1: I think it's uh, it's a great thing for me
Speaker 1: because I've had so many well not so many two
Speaker 1: situations in my life that with detriment to me prospering
Speaker 1: in this entertainment business and so like in the beginning,
Speaker 1: like I had like from ninety six to two thousand
Speaker 1: and one accountant. Like one thing I want to say
Speaker 1: to a lot of the young young artists out there,
Speaker 1: pay attention to the accountants and you're lawyers, wear many hats.
Speaker 3: Don't just say I'm on the.
Speaker 1: Road, I'm doing my thing, and Yo, the money's going
Speaker 1: to be there because the same way that you're working,
Speaker 1: and as hard as you're working, if you get the
Speaker 1: wrong person to manage that, they're working just as hard
Speaker 1: to think of how to steal your money, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. There's wolves out here, man, and so
Speaker 1: you tie on yeah and stand up, Hey, what's up?
Speaker 1: And that's actually their business how they make This happened
Speaker 1: to me twice. Accountants twice. The accountants wow. And so
Speaker 1: the third time, you know, in two thousand seven, when
Speaker 1: the housing crisis hit tough time, bro, I was asset
Speaker 1: rich but money poor. I think I had forty eight
Speaker 1: thousand dollars in my account. I got rose voices, I
Speaker 1: got Lamborghinis, I got homes, I got all that, but
Speaker 1: I only got forty eight thousand dollars. And so during
Speaker 1: that time, it was more so about you know, the housing,
Speaker 1: and I think Bernie made off and all that.
Speaker 3: Kind of stuff. A tough time and a lot of
Speaker 3: people were going through and so I went.
Speaker 1: To the FBI for this person, and it was basically
Speaker 1: told me we had bigger fish to fry. So basically,
Speaker 1: you on your own kid again for the second time. Right,
Speaker 1: So from that point on, I just said I'm handling.
Speaker 1: I don't care how hard the homework is and the
Speaker 1: work is, I'm going to handle it myself. And I
Speaker 1: could not have done nothing better than to do that,
Speaker 1: man like. And so now I'm sitting good. I'm comfortable.
Speaker 1: I ain't rich, rich, rich or whatever, but I'm very comfortable.
Speaker 1: Don't need to sing no more. Have accountants, don't need no.
Speaker 3: I mean I have people who like no.
Speaker 1: No. I have a place that we reconcile every every quarter. Okay,
Speaker 1: and this is what you made all that, and then
Speaker 1: I just pay quarterly, you know, because that's what it's
Speaker 1: truly about, access to your access to.
Speaker 3: The account period.
Speaker 1: I'll just advise you. And that's what a lot of
Speaker 1: guys don't understand. A lot of artists, not just this
Speaker 1: kind of females, everybody. You got to take control of
Speaker 1: your life because at the end of the day, no
Speaker 1: one will care about your life more than you. So
Speaker 1: you got to take control of that. And so you know,
Speaker 1: that's that's what I did in two thousand and ten.
Speaker 1: And so from that on, I don't have no manager,
Speaker 1: don't want no manager. Don't have uh uh, you know,
Speaker 1: accountants that that have access to your money and all that.
Speaker 3: I do everything in house.
Speaker 1: I hire a person that you know, handle certain situations,
Speaker 1: but no one has access to the things that I
Speaker 1: you know, I got going I got going on. So yeah, man,
Speaker 1: but damn man if I if I knew what I
Speaker 1: knew now, then man, I'd be in such a better position.
Speaker 3: But let's make some noise for but but but but
Speaker 3: you being as busy as as as you be, like
Speaker 3: you said, I think you said you almost probably do
Speaker 3: twenty shows a month if you wanted to. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 3: gone every weekend, not twenty.
Speaker 1: But I just think Friday said something, you negotiate all
Speaker 1: those shows every yourself as yourself every show, every show.
Speaker 3: I'm looking at you every every show. Right, Yeah, it
Speaker 3: is ever an awkward conversation with the what I need.
Speaker 3: That's what it said. That's very simple, very simple. That's
Speaker 3: honestly because you know, you know, because the artist feel awkward.
Speaker 3: Artists just like I want to talk.
Speaker 1: You talking about my money, you feel me like because
Speaker 1: it's not a lot of stuff to do that. Like,
Speaker 1: my brother's right there, he'll tell you, like, listen, are
Speaker 1: you free. Yeah, how much you need X amount? What
Speaker 1: do you need on your route? At say any contract?
Speaker 1: That's what it is, right, it's not communicated. It's not
Speaker 1: a lot to that now to manage that. It's specifics
Speaker 1: and all that kind of stuff. And ballert because I
Speaker 1: believe it or not. A person can put certain things
Speaker 1: in the contract and be like, oh, he said, but
Speaker 1: you just got to have a person that can just
Speaker 1: read it, read it reader. And I actually sits. I
Speaker 1: sits through it a lot of them. If I don't,
Speaker 1: I passes it on to my road manage and we
Speaker 1: we we talk it out and yeah you have a
Speaker 1: road manager. Yeah, yeah, because you need to shout out
Speaker 1: to take Terrence Williams.
Speaker 3: Damn, that's crazy.
Speaker 1: So many artists need to hear that I don't let
Speaker 1: nobody mess with my money, because at one.
Speaker 3: Point I haven't before, But at one point I had
Speaker 3: that with two situations the same way. Whereas you, I
Speaker 3: mention you, and I didn't. I didn't trust nobody, so
Speaker 3: I would but I would be frightened. I would tell
Speaker 3: I would not tell people it was negotiating deals. I
Speaker 3: had a whole different email such and such, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: such and such and they were negotiating with me. They
Speaker 3: just didn't know it was me. Damn, I calmed down. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but I would to God, So I understand that totally.
Speaker 3: Is that something that like, I'd like to let them
Speaker 3: know it's me though, you let them know what's b Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm looking. I'm looking like when you get like
Speaker 1: that twice? Man, Yeah, you don't know.
Speaker 3: No time for three ye no time? Did that?
Speaker 11: Did that?
Speaker 3: Did that make you better to a certain extent? Because absolutely,
Speaker 3: because you know what it is. We're giving the people
Speaker 3: jobs at the end of the day, with no direspect
Speaker 3: to any manager out there or anybody that works behind
Speaker 3: the scenes. But still it's still us. That's the artists. Yes,
Speaker 3: we know that they helped make us, but we also
Speaker 3: were given the opportunity. We're given them the opportunity, and
Speaker 3: I just feel like they should honor at it to
Speaker 3: a fall. Yeah, it hurts both times I went through it.
Speaker 2: Man, that that that truly hurts when it's someone that.
Speaker 1: How just just to put things in perspective, you as
Speaker 1: a person, you just you're looking at a person to
Speaker 1: guide you and and and and take care of you,
Speaker 1: like your mother or your father. Right, So when that
Speaker 1: person violates that trust. It's sustained on your heart, it's
Speaker 1: sustained in your mind.
Speaker 3: And so it took twice two times for me to
Speaker 3: be like, I don't fuck you, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: So that is it's it's messed up man.
Speaker 1: And so I just feel like, you know, when you
Speaker 1: take on a job like that, just have the best
Speaker 1: in mind for your for your client, because when a
Speaker 1: lot of people don't understand, even managers and people like that,
Speaker 1: as long as you make that one person successful, so
Speaker 1: many other people are going to come to you. Just
Speaker 1: do right, just do right, just do right. And so
Speaker 1: a lot of people don't don't understand that. It's like,
Speaker 1: it's just like that story about the goose with the
Speaker 1: golden egg. They get the fox keep that killed the
Speaker 1: killed the goose and thought it was at a billion eggs.
Speaker 3: Whatever.
Speaker 1: Come on, man, you gotta enjoy and understand the process
Speaker 1: of making that situation of situation and building from that situation.
Speaker 2: A lot of people don't understand that they're just in
Speaker 2: there for the quick money.
Speaker 3: You shouldn't do that.
Speaker 2: You enjoy the process, enjoy, enjoy always being around the
Speaker 2: element of you are being able to move forward.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean. And that's why I've always
Speaker 1: said I don't have to be number one. I don't
Speaker 1: have to be on a charice only. But am I?
Speaker 3: Am I in the room that person going, oh I
Speaker 3: remember pony, Oh I remember this?
Speaker 14: Yo?
Speaker 1: Can you do this?
Speaker 12: Can you do this?
Speaker 1: That's how you continue to go like this, That's how
Speaker 1: you continue to build Bill Bill.
Speaker 3: The person that I'm too good to talk to anybody
Speaker 3: and now you yo, you need me, you need that.
Speaker 1: That's not that's not the person that's gonna prosper when
Speaker 1: he or she falls.
Speaker 3: They're gonna fall like this.
Speaker 1: When the person that has made those connections, made those
Speaker 1: you know, friendships, they're.
Speaker 3: Gonna go like this mm hmmm, mm hmmm because of
Speaker 3: the people that are in the room right. You know
Speaker 3: what I'm saying. So that's what you're supposed to do.
Speaker 1: You always maintain your humbleness, Always maintain and understand that
Speaker 1: nothing lasts forever. Always know that you can be here
Speaker 1: mm hmmm, or you could be there right by people.
Speaker 3: You got to do right by people, bro, because they
Speaker 3: might be at one point in a different position. You
Speaker 3: got your shot ready, I'm here, let's go. Oh my God,
Speaker 3: that was so in those jeans. He wants to know
Speaker 3: what's in those to make sure this is right here?
Speaker 3: How many times you get tagged on Instagram a day
Speaker 3: a million people just showing you in they jeans? Did
Speaker 3: you make in them jeans while you had on a
Speaker 3: pair of jeans? I didn't make those scenes. Let me
Speaker 3: give you a story. Okay, let's go. Let me give
Speaker 3: you a I don't know what I said. Go ahead,
Speaker 3: you can said, nobody listen to us like I said,
Speaker 3: you said.
Speaker 1: So. I did a song called hell Yeah mm hmm.
Speaker 1: Kelly wrote that song that's big up all Kelly Ye,
Speaker 1: all right, okay, now I'm com through, now come through.
Speaker 3: So that two stories.
Speaker 1: So he wrote that song for me, right, and I
Speaker 1: was like that dope. And then he uh the south
Speaker 1: Fast something so shine. You know what I'm saying, He's
Speaker 1: so mean, Why are you doing the damn thing? And
Speaker 1: he more room from me and those jeans, I said
Speaker 1: what he made his own version and those genes.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna take that. I'm gonna take that. And I
Speaker 2: wrote a song about it.
Speaker 1: I wrote, I wrote that song from that song from
Speaker 1: that piece, right, And so when I wrote that song,
Speaker 1: I was like, yo, Kelly didn't like it though, for
Speaker 1: real he like it.
Speaker 3: He like, but I wrote that.
Speaker 1: He called you and said, you, pretty boy, pretty niggas
Speaker 1: try to do new y you let me tell you
Speaker 1: do that.
Speaker 3: What he called the label that's a homi dady.
Speaker 1: So you know he of course, you know, it was
Speaker 1: a little static in the in the beginning, but you know,
Speaker 1: the labels like no.
Speaker 3: This is hit, I don't I don't care what you're
Speaker 3: talking about, and so and so.
Speaker 1: So we can't came out with it. So you know,
Speaker 1: it shout out to a man. But yet one of
Speaker 1: uh in those genes was one of those songs for me. Man,
Speaker 1: I was just like, I was just being creative. I
Speaker 1: was just being a creative dude, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And so again I was in Miami.
Speaker 3: I think it was.
Speaker 2: Fat Joe uh Hi rule all of us was. You know,
Speaker 2: we were in the same uh uh yeah. Now we
Speaker 2: were in the same uh snity level nightclub.
Speaker 3: Yeah he's doing I think, but yeah, it was.
Speaker 12: It was.
Speaker 2: It was great, man, it was great, great experience. You
Speaker 2: know jeans Man I said, listen, I'm just like.
Speaker 1: Uh, what was that line?
Speaker 2: Jac said, you made it a hot line. I made
Speaker 2: it a hot song.
Speaker 3: At that time. He was going out.
Speaker 1: That's what I was a little bit, just a little bit.
Speaker 1: He made me mad. He made me because he called
Speaker 1: my label. He made me man. He made me man.
Speaker 1: He's like, why not here? They can't go out? And
Speaker 1: the label was like yes again, so it's so good.
Speaker 1: Give you jewels, will give you your jewels.
Speaker 3: I'm bouncing around, yeah, do it, do it? Two reasons.
Speaker 3: I cried, come on, man, I don't do half. I
Speaker 3: do that sometimes. Okay. It was a great away about
Speaker 3: my father passed. Got you got. I don't listen to it.
Speaker 3: So when I read, I was like what I was like.
Speaker 3: Of course I listened to it as.
Speaker 1: I made it.
Speaker 3: Of course, of course you have to listen back, of course,
Speaker 3: But physically, like sometimes people will put like you know,
Speaker 3: I'll jump in a car service somewhere and they're like,
Speaker 3: oh ship, and they'll put on a playlist and as
Speaker 3: soon as I come on, like a little bit special,
Speaker 3: can you push that? Push that? Because for me I didn't.
Speaker 3: I made the record to vent, but I ain't make
Speaker 3: the record for me. I made the record for everyone else.
Speaker 3: Going through it was therapeutic, It was therapeutic. I made
Speaker 3: the record for everyone else that was going through it.
Speaker 3: When I heard you say that same story, I was like,
Speaker 3: I was like, we don't even like, we don't even know,
Speaker 3: and that's crazy.
Speaker 1: So have you listened to it? I mean I have,
Speaker 1: but yeah, maybe twice in on purpose or it was
Speaker 1: just probably playing. I've never I've never actually put it
Speaker 1: on and just listen to the whole thing. No, there's
Speaker 1: always been little pieces and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 3: So so now I've never done that.
Speaker 2: I've never done that because it's too emotional.
Speaker 1: You know, a lot of people that haven't experienced the
Speaker 1: things that we've experienced in writing those type of songs,
Speaker 1: they won't understand. They won't understand that, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. So if I actually listen to that, I
Speaker 1: can't even function no more.
Speaker 3: Like like you said, your engineer left out. Oh yeah, my.
Speaker 1: Engineer and Corey Rooney core he left out. He left
Speaker 1: the moment. Yeah, they needed engineers. It was easy op engineering.
Speaker 3: I don't even remember, no easy LP. He produced it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he produced people do so I don't think He's
Speaker 1: LP was dead. It was kept cos actually they left
Speaker 1: out left. Yeah, we had to take a moment. Eybody
Speaker 1: had to take a moment because they heard it in
Speaker 1: my voice. I was cracking, I was crying and all that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: It was therapeutic though, you know what I mean, I
Speaker 2: had to get that out.
Speaker 1: That actually helped me because you continue to back to
Speaker 1: back at father Daniel, well my mama, I mean my
Speaker 1: father did my mama?
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, And we both of y'all
Speaker 3: think that that record would help other people going. That's
Speaker 3: the only reason why I did it was like, you know,
Speaker 3: actually probably didn't do it for me. I did it
Speaker 3: for anybody else going through it. Well, in fact, I
Speaker 3: did it for me and and and the people.
Speaker 1: But I had to let it out, bro, like I
Speaker 1: was hurting, bro, because I could tell you don't address everything. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm one of those guys. I keep everything to myself.
Speaker 3: But that's why I also read that you went to
Speaker 3: therapy therapy help helping you go down, and I also.
Speaker 1: Read talk about depression, right, well yeah for that yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I still I still I still battle with that though,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, a lot of people. You know,
Speaker 1: what's funny is like you can have all this all
Speaker 1: that you know what I mean. People don't know when
Speaker 1: you go home. Be like, like a lot of people
Speaker 1: don't know that, and so I battle with that on
Speaker 1: a constant basis, on a daily basis. So but you know,
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, I'm I'm constantly moving
Speaker 1: forward and that's what's most important. Don't allow that to
Speaker 1: dictate what your movements and what your prosperity will be.
Speaker 1: Fight for it, move forward, fight through it, love, keep going.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, because that's what it is.
Speaker 1: Life is a journey. Life is a fight.
Speaker 2: You can't you know, I mean, it is what it is,
Speaker 2: you know, And you know what I've always.
Speaker 1: Find healing in to see things that other people are
Speaker 1: going through and I'm like, why are you complaining? I
Speaker 1: just posted something. It was a young guy giving uh
Speaker 1: someone in Africa like bread, and I was like, wow,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm worried about it. Doesn't mean that your feelings
Speaker 1: don't have any merit or yeah or anything like that.
Speaker 3: But understand that.
Speaker 1: This way more than you are going through.
Speaker 3: And that's what I find strength in, you know what
Speaker 3: I'm saying.
Speaker 2: So, So I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't sleep in you know, my faults or my
Speaker 1: you know, all all the other stuff that comes with
Speaker 1: me being me and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2: I find strength to move forward in what others.
Speaker 1: Don't have, you know what I mean, because that's where
Speaker 1: your strength comes, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: And so, uh, that's that's what builds me up. That's
Speaker 3: what makes me who I who I am, the man
Speaker 3: that I am, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Because everything that I'd be like, oh, I can't, I can't,
Speaker 1: I can't do this and do that, And I'm like,
Speaker 1: damn this.
Speaker 3: They are living on the street. You gotta mansine to
Speaker 3: go home to what? Shut up? Shut the funk up.
Speaker 1: Work work, that's what you gotta do. You gotta work.
Speaker 1: And I'm a worker dog. I posted something a few
Speaker 1: days ago. I was like, look, because this guy he
Speaker 1: was supposed to clean my fountain, and I know how
Speaker 1: to clean my foulon. I was like, you know what,
Speaker 1: don't clean it. I'll clean it myself, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. So we gotta okay, we're looking to skipboard
Speaker 1: the fount. In fact, you got a foulon. I gotta
Speaker 1: found a big found. Okay, you got a big, big
Speaker 1: sound because I don't think most of us.
Speaker 3: Can relate to having about everybody's like what the is
Speaker 3: the fountain?
Speaker 1: So I'm like, clean yourself, just cleaning yourself. And so
Speaker 1: I did that and I found purpose. I found I
Speaker 1: felt like like like I found yeah, like so yeah,
Speaker 1: so that's so.
Speaker 3: That's what it was.
Speaker 1: Man. I'm always appreciative and I'm always thankful for any
Speaker 1: and everything that's been given to me.
Speaker 3: And I'm going to just move forward, you.
Speaker 15: Know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I don't have I don't hate, dislike or nothing, nothing
Speaker 1: like that. I just want to move forward. Oh that's
Speaker 1: that good ship.
Speaker 3: Yeah you don't. Yeah, you don't smoke weed?
Speaker 1: Nah?
Speaker 14: What not?
Speaker 3: What made you not want to say? Let me, let
Speaker 3: me hit the let me hit they you ready for
Speaker 3: the story? Don't tell me certain weed and they fucked
Speaker 3: you up one night and it never turned me back.
Speaker 3: Don't say it five times? Six times?
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's give This is one of the things that
Speaker 1: a lot of people don't understand, like certain things aren't
Speaker 1: for certain people.
Speaker 3: There you go, you finish my sentence. Feel me?
Speaker 1: So I used to throw up every well not used to.
Speaker 1: I still will throw up every time I smoke weed.
Speaker 1: Anybody in here that smokes. We be like, we don't
Speaker 1: make you throw up, Yes, it does. It makes me
Speaker 1: throw up.
Speaker 3: You don't see anxiety, nah, nah, because.
Speaker 1: When I smoke weed, I mean well, when I half
Speaker 1: smoked weed, I'll be like, yo, I'm comfortable, and then
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, my stomach says, not so comfortable.
Speaker 3: It's coming up there. So you know it is what
Speaker 3: it is exactly.
Speaker 2: Some certain things ain't for everybody.
Speaker 3: Now that, honey, we can do that all day.
Speaker 1: We can.
Speaker 3: We can do that that, all that, all that. I
Speaker 3: can't believe we do that.
Speaker 1: We do that all day.
Speaker 3: For a long time. Do that all day.
Speaker 2: Nothing else you never Yeah, of course all the albums
Speaker 2: you sold, I've done that.
Speaker 3: I've done that. I've done all of that. But no wine.
Speaker 3: I drank choice. You don't have to did a song
Speaker 3: like that, drink of choice?
Speaker 2: Mean to tell me you and like that might maybe
Speaker 2: I bring my own. That's a dry country.
Speaker 3: Actually you're talking about the uh the hen deal, secure
Speaker 3: killing killing.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we tried to convince you to drink now.
Speaker 6: No, no, it's like.
Speaker 3: You try to try.
Speaker 1: He was like all loves I like, but I'm sticking
Speaker 1: with that mean, I mean you gotta.
Speaker 3: I mean you won't do a shot, just a shot
Speaker 3: I'm gonna do. I'm gonna do a shot. That's what
Speaker 3: I drink. I drink jelly on. Okay, you want to
Speaker 3: take a shot? Shot?
Speaker 1: I want to do a shot? Which y'all drink?
Speaker 3: Okay, you can drink shot shot.
Speaker 1: Marijuana?
Speaker 3: Well, my father, you ready for the show? Here?
Speaker 1: You know how with that?
Speaker 3: You want me to tell you to I'm gonna tell
Speaker 3: you to listen.
Speaker 1: Listen, let me tell you to give me They make
Speaker 1: that in the bathtub.
Speaker 3: I'm just telling you. In the bathtob.
Speaker 4: I'll smell it. It's got to sweet into it. No, no,
Speaker 4: it's like you want to you want to try my shot?
Speaker 3: You want to try my No no, no, no, no,
Speaker 3: no no no yeah. Yeah, I'm drinking yo oil.
Speaker 1: Japanese.
Speaker 3: No fuck? No is the minic? No no no, no,
Speaker 3: tell bring this Japanese. Give me some hitty we do that? Okay?
Speaker 3: This is okay?
Speaker 1: What is it?
Speaker 3: This is the Japanese deli on that Japanese ship. When
Speaker 3: you out that Japanese.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
Speaker 3: Look how many shots do you want to see?
Speaker 11: You know?
Speaker 3: Look how many shots?
Speaker 1: Wow?
Speaker 3: Were having fun. We've been wanting you on this show
Speaker 3: for so long. Damn okay o great, that was the fast.
Speaker 6: Let me know.
Speaker 3: You want to want another shout any just on deck? Okay,
Speaker 3: don't have a shout I got it right to ye,
Speaker 3: just on that just because man, we've been wanting doing
Speaker 3: this show for so long. Yes, thank you, Yes at
Speaker 3: the beginning.
Speaker 1: Can I tell you something, bro, I want to thank
Speaker 1: you man, like because when you when you started your podcast,
Speaker 1: it was like everybody was just like trying to eat
Speaker 1: and this is this was like the pandemic and all that.
Speaker 1: Everybody was just trying to get people on. But I
Speaker 1: was like, he had a purpose, Yeah, had a purpose.
Speaker 1: You had a purpose. It's like I want to give
Speaker 1: your flowers and we're moving for a lot of the
Speaker 1: artists to spend that's been out and that's one of
Speaker 1: the only reasons.
Speaker 3: You got on there.
Speaker 1: I got a shout out, uh my singer Deldric for
Speaker 1: red Ricky Rush all that because they was like they've
Speaker 1: been talking about jobs. Shout out to them, you know,
Speaker 1: and thank you for bigging bigging us up. But I
Speaker 1: gotta tell you, this is your day man, about you.
Speaker 1: It's a national holiday.
Speaker 3: Understand holiday, yeah man, Yeah, were waking up. I want
Speaker 3: to know. I wanted to well, yeah man, because.
Speaker 1: I tasting keep right there.
Speaker 3: I take I'm taking that right there. And you never
Speaker 3: did the verses. Yes, you never. No, I'm never gonna
Speaker 3: do that. You're never gonna do that. Nobody can funk
Speaker 3: with you. No, absolutely stop it. That's why you're not
Speaker 3: doing Do you want to say he ain't doing the
Speaker 3: bro Nobody come.
Speaker 1: Up with you. I'm sorry, No, It's again one of
Speaker 1: those things where I'm I'm totally this, that's not my thing. Man.
Speaker 3: It's like I've heard Jay couple and I'm not on
Speaker 3: that level. But nobody can't stand on stage what they're
Speaker 3: talking about.
Speaker 1: Like I don't. I don't want to do that.
Speaker 3: Like I just know it's not standing. You started ship
Speaker 3: to me like you said no.
Speaker 1: With me.
Speaker 3: Listen.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I just sound like to be I
Speaker 1: don't like saying that. I'm want very end on that stage.
Speaker 1: I'm very entertained by by that. I just don't want
Speaker 1: to be a part of it. I don't even know why,
Speaker 1: Like I just don't like I want to celebration. I
Speaker 1: get it, but no, I'll be there but no, I'm not.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to do that. I'm not going to
Speaker 1: do that.
Speaker 3: I'm not. Money doesn't make a difference, none of that.
Speaker 1: You can do it, you know that's supposed to supposed
Speaker 1: the money can't right.
Speaker 3: And they asked you management because to the two different people,
Speaker 3: now the artist you are man, yes, said I'm artist, amazing.
Speaker 3: The manager said wait a minute. So look, so look
Speaker 3: what happens if the right amount of money comes and
Speaker 3: they say to you will pick your opponent where y'all
Speaker 3: can celebrate each other's Like what what?
Speaker 1: Who would be that opponent that you will pick? It's
Speaker 1: now you're starting ship. Don't don't tell me you can't
Speaker 1: you can't come out, but you don't.
Speaker 3: Tell me that. I really don't know.
Speaker 1: That's just like uh, like you you you always sometimes
Speaker 1: like if you're interested in something that you just want
Speaker 1: to observe it and you see it, but you not
Speaker 1: want to try to kind of be a part of it.
Speaker 15: Like that's what that is like for me, Like I
Speaker 15: I like to see it. Yeah, I just don't know.
Speaker 15: I'm not trying to play the ball. Like that's what
Speaker 15: it is with me, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: You know anything everything has its right because you're doing
Speaker 1: it just because it's something to do. But I don't
Speaker 1: really I have no interest in that. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: but I will observe it, I'll look, I'll say I'll
Speaker 1: enjoy it and all that, but I don't really. Let's
Speaker 1: your catalog is so I know, I know, I know
Speaker 1: that's what keep everybody keep saying, I just don't want
Speaker 1: to do it.
Speaker 3: Has Swiss and Timblin called you, I'm sure Timblin the
Speaker 3: Associations has called me. Yeah, no, no, and what they
Speaker 3: were saying who they wanted you against. I don't even
Speaker 3: listen to it. She said that it's just real.
Speaker 1: I don't want to do it.
Speaker 3: I don't want to do it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've always been that kind of guy, like if
Speaker 1: I've never been kind of got to get a car
Speaker 1: or close or something because everyone else has it. But
Speaker 1: I've always been a person that if I get it
Speaker 1: because I actually like it. Never been a follower, always
Speaker 1: been a leader always. But the manager is also saying,
Speaker 1: if the money is right, we'll formulated so the way
Speaker 1: that you need it to be. And that's that's why
Speaker 1: I'm glad I'm a manager and are just to manage
Speaker 1: your part and your artist part, arguing.
Speaker 3: The situation because the man's like, lady right, so yeah,
Speaker 3: trusted me.
Speaker 1: It happens.
Speaker 3: It happens. Man, that's the funny ship. Man, what's the left?
Speaker 1: Man?
Speaker 3: You conquered there? Listen the reality show you was here,
Speaker 3: We go here. This is the first I knew on
Speaker 3: Big Brother, Big Brother you went overseas? Yeah, yeah, your.
Speaker 2: Phone all that, they take everything, they take everything.
Speaker 1: What else you wrong with outside your own? I was like, no, that,
Speaker 1: well your phone is you with cyborgs? I told you that,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But you know that's an
Speaker 1: extension of us. So once you take the phone from us,
Speaker 1: you take the radio, and you take all the outside
Speaker 1: situations that's happening. Now you only have us. You remember
Speaker 1: he was like, Yo, take all that stuff away, how
Speaker 1: can we.
Speaker 3: Exist or whatever?
Speaker 1: You would be surprised now that we still have a
Speaker 1: lot of the stuff that's in us to just exist.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean. It happens, but we are
Speaker 3: so dependent on this.
Speaker 1: We're so dependent on this, and so we're losing you
Speaker 1: go through with draw, I'm sure, man, we're losing so
Speaker 1: much depth in who we are as individuals. And just
Speaker 1: humans period. We don't talk to each other, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. Like when I take my kids out,
Speaker 1: I tell them give me your phones. Give me your phones? Wow,
Speaker 1: put them right there.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Talk to me?
Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Because if you don't do that, man, how can you
Speaker 1: How can you know about someone? How can you know
Speaker 1: about your seed? I can you know about the person
Speaker 1: that you loved the most? So, yeah, man, when we
Speaker 1: were over there, I was like in a different world. Bro,
Speaker 1: did you feel like you was like one of the
Speaker 1: first people that tried that. They tried to cancel at first,
Speaker 1: because that was like yeah with the.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, but I didn't.
Speaker 1: Know you tried to kiss you without your permission. I
Speaker 1: didn't know it until I got off of it because
Speaker 1: you ain't have your phone. Yeah, And so I look,
Speaker 1: so it's live a film, it's live.
Speaker 2: Everything is like they got cameras everywhere, you.
Speaker 3: Know what I mean by because don't they edit and
Speaker 3: then send it to the world of course? Okay, but
Speaker 3: you don't know what they're editing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So that episode came out while I was still Yeah,
Speaker 1: so you had no idea there and I almost made
Speaker 1: it to the end, what happened? I don't know what
Speaker 1: you're talking about when transgender uh a person.
Speaker 3: Jokingly it was like give me a kiss, and I.
Speaker 1: Was like, oh, what are you doing?
Speaker 3: And it wasn't you know it was what it was.
Speaker 1: But I was just like I didn't know the effect
Speaker 1: that it would have on.
Speaker 2: Me, just saying all of a sudden anti, I was like,
Speaker 2: what the hell what are you talking about?
Speaker 1: But one thing that I could always say that most
Speaker 1: people understood the situation and understood where where it was
Speaker 1: and it wasn't. It didn't didn't grant gain legs because
Speaker 1: they already knew it was what it was.
Speaker 3: So but I was just surprised. Once I got out,
Speaker 3: I was just like, what what happened? Because I was.
Speaker 1: Hearing I won't say no names, but big radio guys
Speaker 1: was like he shooting shoot them? He should have did this,
Speaker 1: he should have did it. And I was like, nah,
Speaker 1: I ain't with all that, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: No, I did what whoa boom? I'm whatever, move move forward.
Speaker 3: It wasn't that serious for you in that moment you
Speaker 3: did what you did, because it is.
Speaker 1: Never that serious with me. Bro, never like I'm like, boom,
Speaker 1: this is what it is. Move forward, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? When you got the kids that I have
Speaker 1: in grandkids, you see things in a different life and
Speaker 1: so you put it in perspective. You don't act always
Speaker 1: on the things that you know constitute you acting. Sometimes
Speaker 1: as a younger individual, the way that I did it
Speaker 1: then probably wouldn't have been the way that I did
Speaker 1: it in twenty five. At twenty five, you feel me,
Speaker 1: so you know, and that's what's most important. With age
Speaker 1: comes wisdom, and so you grow, you learn, you move forward,
Speaker 1: and you set a precedent and an example for other
Speaker 1: people to build on. And then now they have something
Speaker 1: to look look at and just you know, do whatever
Speaker 1: it is that they need to do.
Speaker 3: Moving forward, right, and everybody grows.
Speaker 1: That's the thing that's crazy about today that everything is filmed.
Speaker 1: Everything is everybody's filming themselves.
Speaker 3: Crazy. But I'm like, you can't grow from.
Speaker 1: That because everybody keeps going back to that, yeah, problem
Speaker 1: of where we're at today. You know, as humans, we grow,
Speaker 1: you mature, you learn, you experience, and you change fact
Speaker 1: and now they keep bringing people no, no.
Speaker 3: You are this person when you was this age or
Speaker 3: this age or this age. That's not fair.
Speaker 1: That's so important, man, like, because you can't even look
Speaker 1: at a lot of the things that's going on sometimes
Speaker 1: in the basketball situation, boxing situation and all that. You know,
Speaker 1: I love boxing and all that, right, and then I
Speaker 1: look at, you know, certain individuals in boxing, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: you can't give a certain individual a certain amount of
Speaker 1: money and expect them to do what a fifty year
Speaker 1: old do. You got to understand what you deal with,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So yes, wrong, right, indifferent.
Speaker 1: You've got to understand what what it is. So you
Speaker 1: can't you can't.
Speaker 3: Just just just just beat that.
Speaker 1: Individual down and thinking that he's supposed to be that
Speaker 1: person or she's supposed to be that person when there's
Speaker 1: so much put in their lap at a young age
Speaker 1: and an early early age. And it's not to give
Speaker 1: them him or her past, but understand what you're dealing with.
Speaker 1: You know, it's not fair, really, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: It's truly not fair. So yeah, yeah, would you do
Speaker 1: a big brother again? No? Nah?
Speaker 3: Because of that.
Speaker 1: Because of that lesson, I always felt like, man, once
Speaker 1: you do something and you have success at it, and
Speaker 1: you've done it and and you've conquered, whatever.
Speaker 3: It is, you move forward behind you. How about theater?
Speaker 3: Would you again? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: Because I thinking that experience. Yeah, I think I think that.
Speaker 1: I think that shoppens you. I think that shoppens you
Speaker 1: and it allows you to continue on your path to
Speaker 1: just be great and just to move forward in uh
Speaker 1: other situations. Man, I think I think theater is great
Speaker 1: because you have no chance to do it over when
Speaker 1: you do it there. That's what it is.
Speaker 3: If you get stuck caught up.
Speaker 1: Even you know, like anything that we do, we can
Speaker 1: slice dice, but on theater, when there's a million people
Speaker 1: on our people, you know, thousands of people out there
Speaker 1: and you're on the stage. You got to get through it.
Speaker 1: But that's what sharpens you. That's what shoppens Even if
Speaker 1: you make a mistake, you just you gotta keep going.
Speaker 1: It's not like that over.
Speaker 3: You can't you can't say, oh yo, bo, it's a
Speaker 3: thousand people out there, what are you talking about. You
Speaker 3: got to keep they don't know you made a misw Okay,
Speaker 3: there you go.
Speaker 1: There you go. You gotta move, you gotta move, you
Speaker 1: gotta move forward, And that shoppens you. That as long
Speaker 1: as you have that in your mind that you cannot
Speaker 1: say cut, let's do it over.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, that sharpens you. As long as you have
Speaker 3: that crutch to say cut.
Speaker 1: That ain't sharping in you, right, that ain't sharpening you.
Speaker 1: Like when you don't have that. You got to continue,
Speaker 1: You got to think on your feet, You got to
Speaker 1: move forward.
Speaker 3: That's what's sharpened. Sh Yeah, now that's what I touch
Speaker 3: on this lightly because like I said, you said, you
Speaker 3: said you've been in the game for twenty seven years. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I've been in twenty five, I believe. And I've seen
Speaker 3: you all over the world, and like I said, I
Speaker 3: have never seen you depressed personally. I've always seen you
Speaker 3: like happy. First, you always seen each other, gave each
Speaker 3: other love. And when I read that you dealt with depression,
Speaker 3: I didn't understand why. But then I read it deeper
Speaker 3: and it's about your parents and how it came back
Speaker 3: to back now. And then I also read that it
Speaker 3: was a past of that actually helped you with that.
Speaker 3: You want to talk about that process? Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1: I attended from the Heart Church ministries. I got saved
Speaker 1: in two thousand and five, and so needless to say,
Speaker 1: like my dad committed suicide, shot himself in the had
Speaker 1: ninety nine, and then my mom died the next year
Speaker 1: two thousand, right, So needless to say, come on, man,
Speaker 1: like you're going to go through whatever it is, whatever
Speaker 1: it is that you're going to happen, whatever.
Speaker 3: You're going to go through that.
Speaker 11: And so.
Speaker 1: For me, again I always use the word therapeutic. Music
Speaker 1: was therapeutic, you know what I mean. And I was
Speaker 1: able to navigate my way through life through music and
Speaker 1: to just try to find my way. And you know,
Speaker 1: in two thousand and five, you know, my my then
Speaker 1: wife now ex wife, still great friends and all that.
Speaker 3: I used to do. They used to go to church
Speaker 3: all the time. I used to like, they used to
Speaker 3: go to church.
Speaker 1: In my makeup for not going to church, I used
Speaker 1: to buy them flowers every Sunday when they go to church.
Speaker 3: So when they go to church, I go to this store.
Speaker 3: I'll by the flowers, my daughters and all them. And
Speaker 3: when they come back, I got them flowers and all that.
Speaker 2: But one day, one day, one day, I just say,
Speaker 2: what is church stuff about?
Speaker 3: This is that therapy?
Speaker 1: At first, yeah, I was, I was doing what I do,
Speaker 1: and then I was like, okay, let me, let me,
Speaker 1: let me go through this. And so I kept going.
Speaker 1: And then the one thing about church, and you know
Speaker 1: the people that are in church, uh you know, uh
Speaker 1: pastors and all that kind of stuff. That day it
Speaker 1: makes you feel very happy. It makes you feel very
Speaker 1: He gives you a reset, gives you like, oh, man, okay,
Speaker 1: I can do this, I can do that. And so
Speaker 1: there was just one Sunday that you know, I felt
Speaker 1: moved to go to the you know, the front and
Speaker 1: just get saved. And so from that point on, of
Speaker 1: course I made friends and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: And there was one guy, uh, a porter Losson, a
Speaker 1: minister Losson, and we became great, great friends. And he
Speaker 1: just talked talked me through it. He was a he
Speaker 1: was an older cat, and he just talked me through it.
Speaker 1: And I, you know, I thank God for him, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, because he's a good cat. He's
Speaker 1: still doing what he's doing right now, and he's the
Speaker 1: perfect example of what you know, upstanding, you know, man
Speaker 1: should should be, you know what I mean. And so
Speaker 1: I've never seen any fault in him, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. So if you're going to fall, not no fault.
Speaker 1: If you're going to follow. I mean, you're going to
Speaker 1: follow somebody. You got to follow somebody that's been the
Speaker 1: example of what you're you're striving to be. And so
Speaker 1: when I saw him and what he continued to do,
Speaker 1: because I was always apprehensible about anybody, I'm.
Speaker 2: Like, all y'all money, you're lying and all.
Speaker 3: That, like politicians.
Speaker 2: So when I saw that, I was like, this is
Speaker 2: somebody I can at least listen to, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean.
Speaker 1: So you know, in my mind, he proved himself and
Speaker 1: so I continued to listen to him and I still
Speaker 1: talk to him to this day.
Speaker 3: You feel like he helped you out more to therapy, Yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 3: because trying to medicate you.
Speaker 1: Because when you're talking to somebody that's went through the
Speaker 1: same thing that you've went through, good point kill, all
Speaker 1: the kind of craziness and just all kinds of stuff
Speaker 1: that he's been through. Man, I ain't been through all
Speaker 1: the constant But if you can change, I know I
Speaker 1: can change.
Speaker 2: So that's what was was major for me. Man, That's
Speaker 2: what was major.
Speaker 3: You know. It was another thing that I noticed was
Speaker 3: you co signing your ex wife's new relationship. Absolutely, that's
Speaker 3: a grip, right, Professor griff Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: I think at the end of the day, as an
Speaker 1: example as a parent, period, as a as a man,
Speaker 1: if you have kids, you want to extend.
Speaker 3: That to your kids. Why do we have to go
Speaker 3: to court? Why do we have to in the court.
Speaker 8: Look, as long as you're doing extra step kids, that's extra.
Speaker 3: Extra fun.
Speaker 2: And that's what I'm saying for us, Like it's a
Speaker 2: generational thing.
Speaker 1: Listen to me. Let me tell you something.
Speaker 3: How many like in my time, like we had.
Speaker 1: Family reunions, we had all that kind of stuff, the
Speaker 1: uncle and our uncles choke us up, we're doing bad
Speaker 1: in school and all.
Speaker 3: That kind of stuff.
Speaker 2: That kind of stuff really doesn't happen no more, you
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So we have to as grown men, have to extend
Speaker 1: that same courtesy to our kids and say, listen, everything
Speaker 1: always isn't going to be you know, perferb for whatever
Speaker 1: you might get the voice, you might go through, whatever
Speaker 1: you got to do, But this is how you do
Speaker 1: after that, that's how.
Speaker 3: This is how you make it right. This is the
Speaker 3: example that you set for your kids. That's what I do. Man,
Speaker 3: I'm not mad. I'm mad at myself. I fucked up.
Speaker 3: I cheated.
Speaker 1: I did what I wasn't supposed to do. You understand
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So so so so at the end
Speaker 1: of the day, it ain't my it ain't. It ain't.
Speaker 1: I'm not.
Speaker 3: I shouldn't be mad at him for scooping up a
Speaker 3: good woman that you was too dumb to know that
Speaker 3: you had. That's my fault. Accept that, man, Accept.
Speaker 1: That, dude.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. Yo.
Speaker 6: Man.
Speaker 3: It was one time I asked, I asked him to
Speaker 3: go on the boat. He was like, I ain't going
Speaker 3: to the boat with that, nigga.
Speaker 11: That You're not wrong for that. You're not wrong, That's what.
Speaker 11: That's a good thing about it. That's me, man, that's
Speaker 11: you know. I mean, I've always tried to extend that.
Speaker 3: Got to be in a boat. I love boats.
Speaker 1: I love boat.
Speaker 3: That sounds a little yeah.
Speaker 1: Besides that, is there anything you ever regret in your career?
Speaker 2: Never taking control of it from the beginning?
Speaker 3: That's it?
Speaker 1: Like, meaning you wish you to manage yourself from the beginning. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: How can you regret that you wouldn't know you were young?
Speaker 5: You early?
Speaker 3: Well, you said what I regret?
Speaker 2: What I regret like what I as where I am now, Like,
Speaker 2: damn if I knew then?
Speaker 3: What if you knew?
Speaker 1: I feel like I didn't know. Grit mostly is winning
Speaker 1: something that you could have actually done. But in that
Speaker 1: in that time period, you wouldn't have known any different.
Speaker 1: I agree with that, regretting you would have messed up.
Speaker 3: You were the messager that might have been manager your
Speaker 3: own self as a manager back then.
Speaker 1: Did you know you.
Speaker 3: Would have regretted be in your manager? Manipulate you right,
Speaker 3: you gotta learn to go through I keep you saying,
Speaker 3: keep saying with age coming wisdom.
Speaker 1: I love that.
Speaker 3: So yeah, you had to like you know, you know
Speaker 3: what I like? I go the bathroom of course, imbout
Speaker 3: to leave, Bothy all, I feel bad. I've had a
Speaker 3: twenty five year career. Favorite part of my career so
Speaker 3: I was being podcasting right now. It's me in nineteen
Speaker 3: ninety eight. What is your favorite part of your career?
Speaker 3: Like if it was one year, good Boys Down Too,
Speaker 3: or just whatever you want to say, I got you.
Speaker 1: I think it was probably the second album, second CD,
Speaker 1: because you know.
Speaker 2: They always think you can't do it twice.
Speaker 1: Right, So and I was scared, bro, I was very
Speaker 1: scared because when you're coming out with a song like
Speaker 1: Pony and I'll Do Anything, I'm Sorry, which was written
Speaker 1: by Missy and all that, that took me to a plateau.
Speaker 1: I was like two point five I think it was
Speaker 1: sales or whatever. So that's a very very hard, uh
Speaker 1: situation to mimic again on the second time. So I
Speaker 1: was very happy when So Anxious came out. I was
Speaker 1: very happy because I was like, that's it right there,
Speaker 1: because I did what's so differenterent uh. That was the
Speaker 1: leading single off one hundred genuine and so the Sony
Speaker 1: and all them was trying to cross me over and
Speaker 1: all that, and I was like, I don't want to
Speaker 1: lose my base.
Speaker 3: I even knew that then, you know, when he was
Speaker 3: asking me like.
Speaker 1: Did you know this? And did you I've always I
Speaker 1: don't even know what it is, like, I always saw
Speaker 1: it and I was like, y'all gonna mess me up,
Speaker 1: y'all going to mess me up.
Speaker 3: And so when So Anxious came out, I was like,
Speaker 3: that's that was what my moment was.
Speaker 1: I was like even even over Pony actually, because you
Speaker 1: don't even know what that is.
Speaker 3: You're just living in the moment.
Speaker 1: But after you experienced all that stuff generated by the
Speaker 1: uh the success of those moments. You then know if
Speaker 1: you pay attention, he's like, Okay, now I gotta, I gotta,
Speaker 1: I gotta make sure I do this again.
Speaker 3: So when uh So Anxious came out, that was one
Speaker 3: of those moments, right man.
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, this has been such a beautiful fuck man.
Speaker 1: I ain't gonna lie. We've been waiting for this for
Speaker 1: six years. We've been stopping your ass. Stop.
Speaker 3: We've been talking about it.
Speaker 1: Because we really sincerely, you know, this is what our
Speaker 1: show is about.
Speaker 2: Our show is I can't stand God for y'all, bro.
Speaker 3: I can't stand when people like you know, there's no
Speaker 3: Gramre in music that has more than ten years and
Speaker 3: they have a word washed up for them. Oh they
Speaker 3: call them season like rolling stones. All these motherfuckers still
Speaker 3: touring for fifteen thousand years. It's some niggas that come
Speaker 3: out there and just die right and they still support
Speaker 3: their ass and they yo come on. So this is
Speaker 3: the reason why they come on and other Gramas and
Speaker 3: music and we ship on our own, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean? And I hate that.
Speaker 1: I hate that, you know, you know what? So I
Speaker 1: hate that, man, I.
Speaker 3: Really I hate that. I really love to see when
Speaker 3: I see you guys on tour, I love to see it.
Speaker 3: I really like. I just got recent a chance to
Speaker 3: see NAS clan in Paris. I got lightly offered to
Speaker 3: get on stage, and I was just like, nah, I
Speaker 3: wanted to fan out and I did and I did.
Speaker 3: I notice footage and I don't.
Speaker 1: I want to give it up to my people and
Speaker 1: I want my people to understand that. And I went
Speaker 1: backstage say then I went to the of course I
Speaker 1: was with NAS.
Speaker 3: Of course people from Queens from the same damn the
Speaker 3: same place. So but I just I just loved to
Speaker 3: see the support and I just want us to get
Speaker 3: you said it earlier, like I think that that's what
Speaker 3: we have to do. Support please other like for real ladies, man,
Speaker 3: this is this is definitely one of the reasons because
Speaker 3: you're a legend. Man, thank you for I can thank you,
Speaker 3: brother King, and you're a good brother. And you know
Speaker 3: you aspire so many people. I try, I try, you
Speaker 3: do You aspire people constant basis. You make babies and
Speaker 3: you make other people make babies. You make So when
Speaker 3: you when you see Nick, can you ready hold on?
Speaker 3: Hold on? I'm gonna deal with you.
Speaker 1: You see everybody talking about how many now babies? Nick Cannon,
Speaker 1: what did you think about that?
Speaker 3: I told you not to do it.
Speaker 1: Oil yeah.
Speaker 3: And feeding toes no more, no more. But when you
Speaker 3: see that man you take his shot, you gotta take
Speaker 3: my shot. Okay, okay, all right, you just mixed that.
Speaker 3: That was yeah, you just mixed to that. Let's go, boy,
Speaker 3: let's the universe person that drinks to do that. My
Speaker 3: brother gonna have to pick me up there right when
Speaker 3: you see like you know what all and then you're
Speaker 3: like nigga because because they said just now recently that
Speaker 3: he has ten and after ten he was having to
Speaker 3: pay child's a board. Did you know that that a
Speaker 3: real thing? That shi it is on the block? Wait
Speaker 3: saying that it's heavywhere who wait? You're telling me he
Speaker 3: made he made an investment and his child support.
Speaker 1: I can't hear.
Speaker 3: No, it's all over the blogs.
Speaker 12: You don't.
Speaker 3: Nobody goes by what he says. Now, No, it's on
Speaker 3: the blogs though it's not. It's not him, it's not
Speaker 3: Paul story. He said, I don't know about taxes, the boy,
Speaker 3: I don't know about that.
Speaker 6: Nobody listened to this because I yes, No, I can't
Speaker 6: imagine number of kids where you.
Speaker 3: Don't have to pay for the kids.
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't imagine that neither. But the story
Speaker 1: has been reported. He has been reported, and you got nine. Right,
Speaker 1: You're like, well, now that you mentioned it that all
Speaker 1: my kids are girl see robertson there out here your
Speaker 1: kids there, Roberts and Narrow our here he got something pregnant?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Robert Narrow got he got one
Speaker 3: on the way. Well I got I'm still in the trench. Yeah,
Speaker 3: he's seventy nine. What's funny is I actually want more?
Speaker 3: That's all I mean? You got nine right. You would
Speaker 3: be the one to say you want more, get two more? Dominican?
Speaker 3: You must be Dominican. All my Dominican friends advocate for
Speaker 3: Max big family.
Speaker 1: So let's let's just count in the music business people.
Speaker 3: Who got over off.
Speaker 1: Has that been pirds? How many DMX Yeah, old dirty bastard.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah they can't Yeah, they can't get up there?
Speaker 3: How many?
Speaker 1: Jesus I didn't know that because it was only feet.
Speaker 3: Well it's still you know, bigger the NBA, because you're
Speaker 3: in those numbers. No, I'm about six. You got I
Speaker 3: said about seven, you got the other, Yeah you got more?
Speaker 3: Yeah but yeah yeah yeah, been outside, man. I can't
Speaker 3: thank you enough for my brother. I really really, really
Speaker 3: really enjoyed this thing. Well I really hold on. Let's
Speaker 3: ending with the shot. I got the shot. You want
Speaker 3: this right? No, I've been telling him to stop. Don't know.
Speaker 3: Everybody be trying to be nice to UFN like yeah,
Speaker 3: and then they hit it. But I really sincerely wanted
Speaker 3: to give you your flowers face to face man and man,
Speaker 3: what you have been done? Been doing? NBA got ten kids?
Speaker 1: Jesus is how old is he? He can't be twenty
Speaker 1: one with ten kids? No, outside he got he's he
Speaker 1: got all y'all beat then if he.
Speaker 3: Is, man, this makes God bless.
Speaker 1: God.
Speaker 3: Outside went outside that like said, calling, I respect that,
Speaker 3: my bad. I don't know, I don't know. Listen, but
Speaker 3: listen listen my brother, yo, listen. You are truly a legend.
Speaker 3: Thank you, icon. You are truly what young artists need
Speaker 3: to see because young artists are making disposable music, and
Speaker 3: you have made lifetime music. You have made global music.
Speaker 3: You have made music that every single race, color, creed
Speaker 3: can relate to. And it's standing in the test of time,
Speaker 3: I can still there and like that's why, Like you know,
Speaker 3: I did Loving Hip Hop and I did Marriage boot Can,
Speaker 3: and I always wanted to tell people like sometimes I
Speaker 3: just wanted to explore. And it's like, I know, that's
Speaker 3: the same thing about you. Like you didn't do reality
Speaker 3: show theater because you needed it. You did it because
Speaker 3: she was exercising, and I relate to that. But I
Speaker 3: relate to that from you because I knew you ain't
Speaker 3: need it. And I said, when you did it, I said.
Speaker 1: Let me, I like Loving hipp fuck with this ship,
Speaker 1: and yeah, I did it.
Speaker 3: I did one season. I'm a baut of there. I'm
Speaker 3: not going maybe I'm not coming.
Speaker 1: Back, so you know what I mean. But I love
Speaker 1: love it, but I love love but I just know what.
Speaker 1: I love marriage.
Speaker 3: I love Marriage Can, but I probably won't do it again.
Speaker 3: But it's okay because you got to have that experience,
Speaker 3: and I love that about you. I kind of follows you.
Speaker 3: And what I'm trying to tell you is you deserve
Speaker 3: these flowers. Thank you. You deserve everything you do. Yeah,
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