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Speaker 1: What's up. I'm not from Don Pajon and I'm on

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Speaker 1: Eating Wild Broke.

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Speaker 2: Yes and she done? People, fuck that up. Welcome to

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Speaker 2: another episode of Eating Wild Broke. I'm your host, Colleen Witt,

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Speaker 2: and today we have very special guest knocks from Don Pajeon.

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Speaker 2: Y'all in the building. This is her clothing line. She

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Speaker 2: has accessories boots that I absolutely love, and I'm going

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Speaker 2: to harass her because I need to be rocking these black,

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Speaker 2: black and the red. They had the red tongue. You

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Speaker 2: know which ones I'm talking about.

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Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, the military joints with the red tongue.

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Speaker 2: I promise you guys, when you see me out with it,

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna take a picture and post it in the video.

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Speaker 2: But but yeah, Don's in the building. You are from

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Speaker 2: New York, so this is a very special episode for

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Speaker 2: me because I'm also from New York. Yeah, I didn't

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Speaker 2: know that. Yeah, that's what I wanted to call it,

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Speaker 2: Dan Pigeon.

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Speaker 1: But a lot of people do until they know. It's like,

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Speaker 1: it's like, if you don't know, you don't know, you're

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Speaker 1: gonna read it like damn pigeon. But when I tell

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Speaker 1: you don't you're like.

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Speaker 2: Oh shit, So why did you name it that instead

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Speaker 2: of damn pigeon?

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Speaker 1: It was damn pigeon.

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Speaker 2: It was right, It's so fresh though.

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Speaker 1: But then my man's knocked up my dorm room and

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Speaker 1: he said, yo, you know, you gotta call it Don Pajeon.

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Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, that's fly, that's fly.

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Speaker 2: But I feel like, as a New Yorker, there's like

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Speaker 2: something truly special as damn Pigeon, but for the sake

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Speaker 2: of Don Pageon and respecting the name because it does

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Speaker 2: sound it does sound more luxurious luxurious when you say that,

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Speaker 2: but then you get like the Timberlain vibe when you

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Speaker 2: hear damn pigeon. But you know, maybe there could be

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Speaker 2: like a mixed like video where you do damn Pigeon

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Speaker 2: and down Pugeon and like you have two different fits.

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Speaker 1: And one is giving and one is giving. Damn pigeon.

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Speaker 2: Yes, would it would be cool? Please if you do that.

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Speaker 2: I just want to see it, or you know what,

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Speaker 2: maybe maybe I could work on my team creating it

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Speaker 2: and then like sending it to you. Should we do

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Speaker 2: the Damn Pigeon version versus the Don Pajon.

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Speaker 1: I got the outfits for real?

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Speaker 2: Hell yeah, yo, let's do it. Let's do it. So

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Speaker 2: what are you gonna have us eating today? On eating

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Speaker 2: while broke?

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Speaker 1: Today, I'm gonna be cooking some French toasts because I'm

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Speaker 1: not gonna lie. This is special for me because I

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Speaker 1: don't cook.

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Speaker 2: So it specially be special for me because you're cooking

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Speaker 2: for me.

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Speaker 1: That's a that's a that's a fact, and people, I

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Speaker 1: like pride myself on how I can't cook, so when

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Speaker 1: people watch me do this, they're gonna be like, there's

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Speaker 1: no fucking way not just cooking.

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Speaker 2: Wait, so you can't.

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Speaker 1: I can't.

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Speaker 2: I cannot myself on that though I like I pride

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Speaker 1: There's some things that people do well and there's things

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Speaker 1: that people don't do well. I like to do what

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Speaker 1: I do well and what I don't just admit it,

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Speaker 1: own it and let other people handle what they do

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Speaker 1: well well.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate you coming on a cooking show to tell

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Speaker 2: your story and taking one for the team by cooking

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Speaker 2: us French toasts, so we whenever I jump in on

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Speaker 2: stay in my lane as much as possible to not

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Speaker 2: distract you, but I definitely want you to take me

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Speaker 2: back to what was going on in the era of

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Speaker 2: French toast.

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Speaker 1: My era of French toast, you know, growing up as

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Speaker 1: a kid, it's the first thing that I got put

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Speaker 1: eggs and French toasts. A couple of new Pizza Hut wings.

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Speaker 1: Those are like my holy right there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I remember when I got the email. The

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Speaker 2: in New York, she could do it. But in LA

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Speaker 1: Man. Nah. I was nervous though, because I'm like, damn,

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Speaker 1: and then me and my manager, I'm like, oh, French toes,

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Speaker 1: French talk. It gives the French I could do that.

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Speaker 2: If you had to choose between French toast pancakes and

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Speaker 2: Which one would you choose?

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Speaker 1: Freunch toast all day?

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Speaker 1: I will go French toast, one waffle, second pancakes.

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Speaker 2: Pancakes as I can't stand. I cannot stay in pancakes.

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Speaker 2: Believe it or not. I make it every day for

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Speaker 1: They're hard to make, and you gotta really be because

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Speaker 2: I feel like it's the easiest thing to make because

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Speaker 2: nowadays you could just buy the pancake mix, add the water,

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Speaker 2: I literally every Sunday night, if you call me around

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Speaker 1: That's what's up.

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Speaker 2: That's what's up every Sunday. But go ahead, and start

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Speaker 2: this dish. And uh, well, first, what are the ingredients

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Speaker 2: for your French toast? Because it looks very simple.

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Speaker 1: It's as simple as you could get. We got bread

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Speaker 1: over here, we got some cinnamon, two eggs, vanilla extract

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Speaker 2: That's it in some butter. But all right, well, get

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Speaker 2: to whiskey in while I throw some questions and find

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Speaker 2: out how Don Pogon came about.

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Speaker 1: I have to turn this on first. I might need

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Speaker 2: I feel like whatever is gonna happen, it's gonna burn.

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Speaker 2: put it? Well, not low, but like three or four.

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Speaker 1: I think we had a three and a half. That's good.

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, all right, so you got the milk. Okay,

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Speaker 2: I'm just watching you. I'm calling it out so our

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Speaker 2: and wait wait, no, no, no, no, you got a whisker. Yeah, guys,

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Speaker 1: I was about to do the fork.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you got a whisker, and then you gotta do

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Speaker 1: I think I think I'm surprised myself.

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Speaker 2: By the way you added almond milk versus regular milk.

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Speaker 2: So let's see how this holds up. This almond milk

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Speaker 2: that's what they said in the email.

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Speaker 1: Oh that's what I like.

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Speaker 2: Okay, well let's see. Have you ever made friends shops

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Speaker 2: with almond milk?

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Speaker 1: Nope, I was gonna take dairy for the team.

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Speaker 2: But so, take me back to prior way before Don

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Speaker 2: Pujon even arrived on the scene, Like, take me back

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Speaker 2: to what what your home environment was like.

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Speaker 1: Hmm, Well, I grew up with two parents and I'm biracial.

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Speaker 1: My mom's white, my dad's black. I grew up in

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Speaker 2: Syracuse, that's crazy. I'm from Brooklyn, and upstate, but by

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Speaker 2: crack and heroin are just murdering everybody.

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Speaker 1: That's my city. I'm from Elmira. You know when people

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Speaker 1: Elmira Penitentiary. So my town is known for prisons, like

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Speaker 2: Dang, do they ever have people break out of prison

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Speaker 1: Now, we had a person break out of prison when

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Speaker 2: You're like, that's the only thing a small town could

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Speaker 1: High schools right next to the prison. So it was wild,

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Speaker 2: New York is pretty racist, is it? Where is it

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Speaker 1: You have to deal with that, Yeah, But something crazy

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Speaker 1: So my town per capita as the most biracial. People, like,

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Speaker 2: That's hilarious. I wish portan about it, because, uh, well,

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Speaker 2: I was in the eighties where like me and mixed

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Speaker 2: but I guess you went to school with a bunch

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Speaker 1: A bunch of mulatto's, and then we had whites and blacks,

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Speaker 1: and the whites, you know, they was a little bit racist.

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Speaker 1: But there was so many light skinned people, like a

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Speaker 1: lot of our moms is white, but they like hood white.

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Speaker 1: I guess you're trying to say, So there was a

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, that's interesting.

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Speaker 1: It's supers interesting.

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Speaker 2: So your parents stay married, they married right now? Oh

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Speaker 2: so you get to see what real love looks like,

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Speaker 2: real love and devotion. So tell us for all those

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Speaker 2: married people that have been married forever. Do your parents

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Speaker 1: Oh, they're super happy. But it's like, uh, they so

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Speaker 1: happy when they fight all the time. Is funny because

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Speaker 1: they just say whatever. It's not disrespectful, but it's it's funny,

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Speaker 1: like it's so real.

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Speaker 2: Like like they like your mom will like, well, I

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Speaker 2: guess she won't curse your dad out, but should just

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Speaker 1: Tell him how it is. And my dad be like,

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Speaker 2: Do you think that's the secrets of relationships? Just get

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Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, just chill.

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Speaker 1: I love that. Okay, okay, so now I got the

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Speaker 2: Now you gotta just butter. Now it is fun fact.

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Speaker 2: I love butter. I will go through a brick of butter.

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Speaker 2: I would say per every three dishes, like literally, because

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Speaker 2: That's actually brilliant. I usually leave the rapper on and just.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but no, I like the way you do it.

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Speaker 1: I'm assuming. Yeah, I might be way too much butter.

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Speaker 2: No, that's good. You want it lathered in butter. Butter

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Speaker 2: It is? It is anytime you're making eggs.

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Speaker 2: How'd you get a shell in it?

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Speaker 1: It is suh, that's wild. Get that out of this.

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Speaker 2: I was gonna give you credit. I was gonna give

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Speaker 1: You have siblings, Yeah, I got a little I got

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Speaker 1: a little brother. We like best friends. Yeah, a year

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Go ahead, man, I'm hungry.

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Speaker 1: Go ahead. The dude doing the things.

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Speaker 2: does it right. My thing is like, you got a

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Speaker 2: sat raped bread. No no, no, no, no, no, don't don't. Don't

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Speaker 1: Because when you do that, then the bread ain't breading

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Speaker 2: So you got you came from middle class or poor.

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Speaker 1: I came from middle class Almira, which is poor.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, just to be there, It's like, but yeah, I

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Speaker 1: Tiny. But none of my people's had bread, Like none

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Speaker 2: I felt like in small towns they always have like

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Speaker 2: it was all about the sneakers, like if you weren't

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Speaker 1: Have money that because I always had some fresh sneakers.

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Speaker 2: Oh okay, so you was popular? Yeah yeah, yeah, you

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Speaker 1: But I was always in the kicks, even like five

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Speaker 2: She's not like what about your pops.

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Speaker 1: Pops is older. He fashionable, but in an old man like.

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Speaker 2: An old school way, like the pimp play away or

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Speaker 2: play away like the Loafers, Like loafers, he got a

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Speaker 2: walk with a king Pin play away. Yeah okay, so

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Speaker 2: you were always into fashion, so you always knew you

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Speaker 1: No, I just always knew I was gonna be fly.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So take us out of the home environment and

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Speaker 1: Well, I could fast forward all the way through high school.

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Speaker 1: I was just fly. Then when I got to college,

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Speaker 1: I started thrifting. I went to college at a few

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Speaker 2: Okay, And you say, thrifting. Are you doing like nasty

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Speaker 1: No. I was going to the thrift store and finding

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Speaker 1: I was like, whatever embellishments they had on them, I'd

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Speaker 1: So I found an embroidery lady, and I was looking

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Speaker 2: But did you have the name yet?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, we had. We had a dad pigeon and

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Speaker 2: Something you would talk about amongst your friends. When did

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Speaker 2: to morph into a business.

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Speaker 1: Ooh. When I first moved out to California, I was

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Speaker 1: But when I came out here, I started getting in

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Speaker 1: So I used to dress my friends up like this

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Speaker 1: So then I will started turning like I could sell

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Speaker 2: You okay, So what made you actually go and say

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna get this website? What was that triggering point?

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Speaker 1: The compliments that the homies were getting on the gear.

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Speaker 2: But they were giving you compliments based off styling.

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Speaker 1: They was giving me compliments. This motherfucker outside wanted to

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Speaker 2: It was sweaters that you were designing, or what the

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Speaker 2: swas that you were designing. Okay, so you were you

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Speaker 2: were putting them in Oh okay, so yeah, so then

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Speaker 2: you're like, oh, hell yeah I could make or maybe

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Speaker 2: the homie came back and was like here's the number

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Speaker 1: Homies came back with no sweater, sold it off their

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Speaker 2: Get the freak out? Did you ask how much? Was

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Speaker 2: it impressive?

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Speaker 1: At like sixty eighty? I was like kind of crazy?

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Speaker 2: Did they text you before they sold it?

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Speaker 1: Or nah? They just sold it?

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Speaker 2: Came back like like can you make another one?

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Speaker 1: Exactly because that's all I wore. So that's all I

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Speaker 1: was wearing my own shits. So people see me out

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Speaker 1: like what is that and just hats you know, what's

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Speaker 1: about branding?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, of course I'm just now learning it, hence hat.

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Speaker 2: But okay, so then you create this website. Now did

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Speaker 2: you know anything about marketing? How did you start marketing it?

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Speaker 1: Instagram was still young back then, so just a whole

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Speaker 1: get to you for free, whien you tag me or

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Speaker 1: wear it? Helped me out. Then I started promoting parties

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Speaker 1: in like the first fifty people free, get a dumpuge

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Speaker 2: Were you side hustling? Yeah, let me tell you something

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Speaker 2: about this show. If you're entrepreneur and you didn't sign hustle.

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Speaker 2: I had a girl on here, got a dude, you

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Speaker 1: I was selling Kicks. I was selling anything that could sell.

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Speaker 2: Man.

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Speaker 1: I was selling Kicks and a whole bunch of shit,

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Speaker 1: you know, So I was getting the best stuff for

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Speaker 1: the lowest price because I was like out there every

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Speaker 1: day building relationship. You know what I'm saying. Some people

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Speaker 1: will make the hats and let me pay them later later.

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Speaker 1: Wowship yeah, yeah, yeah, hell yeah. But that's what it's about.

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Speaker 1: You know. You got to get out there, put yourself

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Speaker 1: out there, because if you don't, then you're just always

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Speaker 1: gonna make up another excuses why I can't do it.

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Speaker 1: I don't got the money.

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Speaker 2: What are your parenting the whole time?

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Speaker 1: I mean they were supportive. I got the best parents show,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if people go to wear Damn Pigeon

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Speaker 1: on the chest, but I'm like, it's not Damn pigeon, it's.

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Speaker 2: Don dompa on. I saw a video with I think

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Speaker 2: it was Tank wearing Don Pygeon shirt. It was red,

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Speaker 2: but it had a shininess to the material, and I

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Speaker 1: It was like leather. That wasn't one of my designs

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Speaker 1: where I really killed them when I put the.

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Speaker 2: But it was it. But yeah, yeah, it was a leather.

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Speaker 2: It was like a red. It was like a shinier material.

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Speaker 2: I said, damn, I don't even know how you did that.

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Speaker 2: But I was thoroughly like, that's a nice ass shirt.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. That design was inspired by like Egyptian pharaohs, you

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Speaker 1: know how they used to have all those like gold chains.

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Speaker 1: And I just put a piece of fabric that overlaid

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Speaker 2: Now, did you when that piece? I didn't see on

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Speaker 2: your website.

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Speaker 1: Though it's old, it's super it's super old.

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Speaker 2: But it's super nice.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And what happens You just retire it and that's it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they gotta go. They gotta they gotta get hung

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Speaker 1: with the jerseys and the rafters. You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: You always gotta be new and come fresh. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Man, So have you ever had anyone, like say myself,

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Speaker 2: that's like, Yo, this one shirt, where can I get it?

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00:19:58,680 --> 00:19:59,960
Speaker 2: And you're like, nah, it sold out?

439
00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:04,520
Speaker 1: Yeah? Hell yeah. I feel like that's how you build

440
00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:07,000
Speaker 1: hype around your brand, you know what I'm.

441
00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:09,000
Speaker 2: Saying, By having like limited editions, and of.

442
00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:11,119
Speaker 1: Course, if everybody could get it anytime they want it,

443
00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:14,160
Speaker 1: there's no mystique around it. Why should I come back?

444
00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:16,280
Speaker 1: Why should I spend right now? Why should I Why

445
00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:18,600
Speaker 1: should this be an impulsive buy? If I know I

446
00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:20,520
Speaker 1: can get it all the time.

447
00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:23,439
Speaker 2: So that one shirt he has there may only have

448
00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:25,240
Speaker 2: been like a hundred of that one.

449
00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:29,159
Speaker 1: That one, the one that tank had probably like twenty

450
00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:31,959
Speaker 1: get the freak out. Yeah, probably like twenty.

451
00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:35,520
Speaker 2: If y'all don't know that's y'all can probably look up

452
00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:37,920
Speaker 2: that shirt online. That shirt was Hella Fresh. I think

453
00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:42,680
Speaker 2: we should Pastor knocks every day until she brings it back.

454
00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:45,040
Speaker 1: I might, because you know, fashion comes back around.

455
00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:48,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, really did it? I don't think that shirt would

456
00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:49,280
Speaker 2: ever go out.

457
00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:51,440
Speaker 1: It is a classic now now you gotta be thinking

458
00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:53,080
Speaker 1: about it. Classic.

459
00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:55,439
Speaker 2: It would have looked great with the red and black

460
00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:57,520
Speaker 2: sneak the boots.

461
00:20:57,240 --> 00:20:58,640
Speaker 1: That was because it's got the leather.

462
00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:00,719
Speaker 2: Yeah tell me, I see you let me know if

463
00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:03,080
Speaker 2: you need a back seat. I'm definitely not the person

464
00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:05,720
Speaker 2: that's style. I literally have to pay people to style me.

465
00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:07,600
Speaker 2: Like that's how terrible I am addressing.

466
00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:09,640
Speaker 1: Would do you like? Do you like fashion?

467
00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:14,679
Speaker 2: I can appreciate it, but like if like, if I

468
00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:17,119
Speaker 2: need something done, I need someone to dress me, like

469
00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:19,119
Speaker 2: when I do. Like if you look at all the

470
00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:21,560
Speaker 2: eating Wall Broke pictures, I had a stylist do it.

471
00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:24,280
Speaker 2: Oh and he did a great job. He nailed my style,

472
00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:26,199
Speaker 2: but I can't do it. I don't even know how

473
00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:27,479
Speaker 2: to accessorize. I'm terrible.

474
00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:32,479
Speaker 4: Okay, well, but I can't spot great shoes, great shoes,

475
00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:38,040
Speaker 4: great sneakers all day, okay, like the Dome Pigeon, boots gone, the.

476
00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:41,640
Speaker 2: Site gone, don pygeon dot com, damnpigeon dot n YC,

477
00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:44,760
Speaker 2: damnpigeon dot NYC. And then if you go in the

478
00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:47,120
Speaker 2: boots section you will see what I'm talking about.

479
00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:51,360
Speaker 1: Listeners and I'm still flipping these, flipping these toes.

480
00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:54,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're taking forever to make some French tones. Seen

481
00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:56,480
Speaker 2: somebody take so long, but it looks good. And then,

482
00:21:56,520 --> 00:21:59,080
Speaker 2: just so you know, guys, she was flattening the French toasta.

483
00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:04,320
Speaker 2: I mean that French tostal like a thin. You're gonna

484
00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:07,920
Speaker 2: stop her after two just to have a get out

485
00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:10,399
Speaker 2: the kitchen and never go back. We ain't got no

486
00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:13,840
Speaker 2: syrup though, you know what Jared's gonna call cut when

487
00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:15,640
Speaker 2: you sit down, and we're gonna run out and get

488
00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:17,800
Speaker 2: syrup in a new fork and hook you up.

489
00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:20,359
Speaker 1: I haven't cooked this a mad long. It's very hot.

490
00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:22,880
Speaker 2: It smells like French dostal. Are you proud of yourself?

491
00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:24,240
Speaker 1: I'm proud of the peace.

492
00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:28,879
Speaker 2: Really that thin as thin as that's how I like it,

493
00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:30,920
Speaker 2: though it's too I want to I want to try

494
00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:33,880
Speaker 2: it like that. No, I'm gonna keep it say less,

495
00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:36,359
Speaker 2: say less. I got you less less, Okay? So what

496
00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:37,760
Speaker 2: made you end up moving to Cali?

497
00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:41,359
Speaker 1: I was getting in trouble, Like what kind of trouble

498
00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:44,200
Speaker 1: Like trouble trouble? Bill?

499
00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:47,080
Speaker 2: Do tell inspire all the all the gangsters.

500
00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:51,040
Speaker 1: I was broke, broke, but broke broke, broke, broke, Okay.

501
00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:57,560
Speaker 1: I'm talking about at home making subs at the grocery store.

502
00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:00,520
Speaker 1: Make you know how you got cigarettes, but you goties

503
00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:03,840
Speaker 1: like rolling rollies, not even enough to buy a pack.

504
00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:06,159
Speaker 1: I was like rolling rollies, waiting for a nigga to

505
00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:07,760
Speaker 1: drop his shit so I could get the tibet you

506
00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:08,080
Speaker 1: know what I mean?

507
00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:13,120
Speaker 2: No way, okay, bros broke? Oh, I like this, broke, broke, broke, broke, okay.

508
00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:15,840
Speaker 1: And then I gotta broke sure from the Art Institute

509
00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:19,280
Speaker 1: of Hollywood, and I was like, damn, that sounds pretty dope.

510
00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:21,639
Speaker 1: But my GPA was like a two point three, and

511
00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:24,200
Speaker 1: I'm thinking to myself, I'm gonna just be a failure.

512
00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:28,120
Speaker 1: Drinking still reserves and four locos drink away still reserves

513
00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:32,600
Speaker 1: and four locos like the worst shit of your life? Okay, okay,

514
00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:37,560
Speaker 1: you know the two dollars Holla special at the little

515
00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:41,719
Speaker 1: bodega shit. Okay. So going down the bad path and

516
00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:44,080
Speaker 1: just got into just mad trouble. You know. My mom

517
00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:45,600
Speaker 1: used to tell me you either gonna be like in

518
00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:48,680
Speaker 1: jail or really get caught up doing some bad shit

519
00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:50,920
Speaker 1: get hurt out here. So I got to bro sure.

520
00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:53,960
Speaker 1: My mom called then had an interview. There was like, yeah,

521
00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:56,200
Speaker 1: you could come out here. Five days you got accepted,

522
00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:58,800
Speaker 1: and I was in shock, like damn, cause I don't

523
00:23:58,840 --> 00:23:59,720
Speaker 1: know nobody in Campa.

524
00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:02,840
Speaker 2: Mom called, she was trying to save you too.

525
00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:04,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, she was trying to save me.

526
00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:05,280
Speaker 2: She was like get out.

527
00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:07,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's the best. So she called.

528
00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:08,840
Speaker 2: The school sent me an appointment.

529
00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:10,840
Speaker 1: So when I got to talk to them about my art,

530
00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:13,800
Speaker 1: about my clothing line, they was like, yeah, come down.

531
00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:15,840
Speaker 1: So five days I went from working in the grocery

532
00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:44,600
Speaker 1: store making suffs. Five days later, I.

533
00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:35,600
Speaker 2: Wow, on your own, on my own, when you moved

534
00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:37,720
Speaker 2: out here with like how much cash to survive?

535
00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:41,280
Speaker 1: I sold my car. I had three thousand dollars and

536
00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:43,000
Speaker 1: my mom she's a g She was giving me like

537
00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:44,520
Speaker 1: sixty dollars a week. You know what I'm saying.

538
00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:48,639
Speaker 2: Sixty dollars a week ain't ain't allowed for Cali. But

539
00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:50,119
Speaker 2: I could see the appreciation in it.

540
00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:52,480
Speaker 1: I appreciated it, but it wasn't it was going in

541
00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:55,200
Speaker 1: the day. Yeah, you know what I'm saying. I appreciated

542
00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:57,280
Speaker 1: it though, because I didn't have nothing. You know.

543
00:24:57,520 --> 00:24:59,680
Speaker 2: So what happened at the Art Institute.

544
00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:03,200
Speaker 1: I met a couple of friends. The best thing that

545
00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:05,240
Speaker 1: happened at the art Institute is I met a couple friends.

546
00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:10,080
Speaker 1: They ended up, you know, kicking me out because I

547
00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:14,000
Speaker 1: had alcohol bottles on my mantle. But I was over

548
00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:16,879
Speaker 1: twenty one, so I just feel like that was an excuse. Yeah,

549
00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:19,240
Speaker 1: but then I really got out on my own. Yeah.

550
00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:21,600
Speaker 2: Do you think it was a good looking back? Do

551
00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:23,080
Speaker 2: you think it was great that it happened?

552
00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:27,040
Speaker 1: Heck? Yeah, that really motivated me to be like, Okay,

553
00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:30,280
Speaker 1: I wasn't doing anything at home. I come out here.

554
00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:33,440
Speaker 1: I feel like they don't want me to really grow

555
00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:36,080
Speaker 1: being in this school setting. And I played basketball and

556
00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:38,240
Speaker 1: I was in school all my life, so I was like, okay,

557
00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:42,639
Speaker 1: I'm done. Yeah with the scholastic, you know, athletic.

558
00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:44,320
Speaker 2: But you didn't go home. Nah.

559
00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:47,360
Speaker 1: Nah. I got a one bedroom and a bike from

560
00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:49,480
Speaker 1: like Walmart, and I started getting on my hustle.

561
00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:51,119
Speaker 2: Man, what were you doing?

562
00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:56,000
Speaker 1: Whatever I could, selling the kicks, making T shirts. I

563
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:57,840
Speaker 1: got with a shorty that got kicked out too. She

564
00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:00,359
Speaker 1: knew how to sew. I was like, YO, could live

565
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:02,919
Speaker 1: with me, just make just make the clothes, make my

566
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:06,639
Speaker 1: ideas come to life. Because I had mad ideas. I

567
00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:09,240
Speaker 1: just didn't have the functionality to be able to sew

568
00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:10,960
Speaker 1: back then. I can sew now, but back then I

569
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:14,879
Speaker 1: ain't know how she did so, giving her the infrastructure

570
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:17,760
Speaker 1: of safety and somewhere to stay. She was giving me

571
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:19,919
Speaker 1: work and making my designs.

572
00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:22,200
Speaker 2: But now you were in a relationship with her too.

573
00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:25,200
Speaker 1: No, it was homie. It was the Homies girl.

574
00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:27,119
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, okay, cool.

575
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:30,639
Speaker 1: It was the Homies girl. Boom, I'm done take the kitchen.

576
00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:35,160
Speaker 2: Thank god she passed that. Okay, guys, we're gonna throw

577
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:38,720
Speaker 2: the commercials and guess some syrup. Look she throwing that towel.

578
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:40,879
Speaker 2: I don't think you're ever gonna see her in the

579
00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:41,680
Speaker 2: kitchen ever again?

580
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:42,640
Speaker 1: Or not?

581
00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:47,200
Speaker 2: All right, you're throwing to the commercials. So Knox has

582
00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:54,199
Speaker 2: made our flat French toast. Hey, and uh it looks

583
00:26:54,560 --> 00:27:00,440
Speaker 2: it smells real French toasty. This will probably be her

584
00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:01,840
Speaker 2: last meal that she ever cooks.

585
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:02,840
Speaker 1: It's gonna be the last.

586
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:06,880
Speaker 2: Really, what if another podcast is like, you gotta cook,

587
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:08,640
Speaker 2: You're gonna be like, no, I only cook for eating

588
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:09,200
Speaker 2: while broke.

589
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a fact. Okay, that's a fact. I'm loyal

590
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:12,040
Speaker 1: like that.

591
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:15,760
Speaker 2: I like that. I'm loyal too. I feel like, damn

592
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:19,000
Speaker 2: pigeon is gonna be mine when you see me out. Guys,

593
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:21,359
Speaker 2: once I get that red shirt, you're gonna be You're

594
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:23,600
Speaker 2: gonna be dripped once she gets that red shirt back.

595
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:25,080
Speaker 1: Definitely do the red shirt.

596
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:26,439
Speaker 2: The red shirt is fresh.

597
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:29,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely the red shirt my sleep, Yeah, I definitely

598
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:30,639
Speaker 1: do the red shirt.

599
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:34,480
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, all right, let's do a test of whether

600
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:38,200
Speaker 2: Knox can cook or whether she is a fraudulent cook.

601
00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:41,359
Speaker 1: I'm a fraudulent cook.

602
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:44,040
Speaker 2: In the back praying that she would flip the French

603
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:44,879
Speaker 2: toast by the way.

604
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:48,800
Speaker 1: Good money, really, let's see is good money man?

605
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:55,440
Speaker 2: You know what, Be honest, it's really hard to mess

606
00:27:55,520 --> 00:28:00,440
Speaker 2: up French toast. But for someone that does and cook.

607
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:03,520
Speaker 2: You did not mess this up. It takes the delicious.

608
00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:05,040
Speaker 2: Don't you wish you would have made all four?

609
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:08,120
Speaker 1: Hunh, that's the fact. But you see the timing life's

610
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:08,800
Speaker 1: about timing.

611
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:12,760
Speaker 2: The middle is kind of soft.

612
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:14,080
Speaker 1: Oh my bad.

613
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:18,200
Speaker 2: I actually like it. I actually like it. But I'm

614
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:21,399
Speaker 2: trying to hate on you. But it's really hard to

615
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:23,160
Speaker 2: hate because this actually came out pretty good.

616
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:25,720
Speaker 1: Okay, so I'll take that.

617
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:28,600
Speaker 2: I'm trying to hate on her because you can't cook,

618
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 2: but I'm probably gonna your whole damn freend schuse right.

619
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:32,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm about to eat this slice because you know what,

620
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:34,320
Speaker 1: I was hungry anyway. First of all, you.

621
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 2: Should have made all four. But if it didn't take

622
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 2: you nineteen years to finish this and what it told

623
00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:42,120
Speaker 2: you to make more, but you would have been cooking

624
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:42,720
Speaker 2: the whole interview.

625
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:44,440
Speaker 1: I'm gonna come back and tra your places with you

626
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:47,960
Speaker 1: so you could cook. Let me cook for you, okay,

627
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 1: and see where your bars.

628
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:51,080
Speaker 2: You'll be like Colleen, we need to add you to

629
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:54,200
Speaker 2: the shorty list, and I'll be like, you know, should

630
00:28:54,240 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 2: over those references, all right, So take me back once

631
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 2: you're done biting. I'm gonna take a step.

632
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 1: Boom, I'm done. I killed that.

633
00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:12,000
Speaker 2: Okay. So you and this shorty are making clothes in

634
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 2: your house and you're flipping them. That's how you're surviving.

635
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:15,560
Speaker 1: La.

636
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 2: So not once did you end up getting a real

637
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:22,560
Speaker 2: job from getting kicked out of the art institute. No,

638
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 2: do you know how amazing of a feat that is?

639
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:27,480
Speaker 1: Yeah?

640
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 2: Do you ever think back, like, holy cow, you want.

641
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 1: To know the truth. I really never wanted a job,

642
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:38,120
Speaker 1: so I don't think about it. It's like I feel

643
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:40,640
Speaker 1: like if I was working a to the odd job

644
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:43,719
Speaker 1: before it felt like a crazier feet But now that

645
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 1: you put it into perspective, it kind of is. Because

646
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 1: a lot of people got to just do whatever they

647
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:48,560
Speaker 1: got to do out here.

648
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:51,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, when I would start a company, even the people

649
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:55,280
Speaker 2: I mental, I always say, try to get unemployment. I

650
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:57,520
Speaker 2: mean like, try to get fired because then that will

651
00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:00,560
Speaker 2: at least cover well. Back then unemployment could it was

652
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:03,000
Speaker 2: like sixteen hundred I think it's your max around two K.

653
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 2: You could pay your rent and as long as you

654
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 2: made your rent, then you could keep your side hustle

655
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:12,080
Speaker 2: going as long as so that unemployment so for you

656
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:14,520
Speaker 2: to be able to do that without unemployment or some

657
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 2: kind of assistance. I think that's incredible because I am

658
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 2: forever that person that's like, try to.

659
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:26,479
Speaker 4: Get fired before you start your company, like get fired,

660
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:28,120
Speaker 4: don't quit, get fired.

661
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:31,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I do think that's cool because that is

662
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 2: a big feat, especially for California when I and also

663
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:38,480
Speaker 2: to have like a one bedroom apartment. When I was

664
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:41,480
Speaker 2: starting all my companies, I was always renting like a

665
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:43,880
Speaker 2: room that was the size of like you could touch

666
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:46,160
Speaker 2: all the walls and it was never ac I had

667
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 2: like twenty roommates. But you didn't do that. You literally

668
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 2: went from art institute to hustle. Hustle hustle. Now did

669
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:55,760
Speaker 2: you start making quotas like I better make two K

670
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:58,600
Speaker 2: this month to survive or were you behind on bills?

671
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:05,400
Speaker 1: Really? Seck, I've never really set quotas because my type

672
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 1: of hustle is I've always been a hustler. So it's

673
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 1: not even like I'm gonna set I'll make two K today,

674
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 1: make three K to day or one K to day

675
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:15,520
Speaker 1: or nothing today. I just let I just let the

676
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 1: days roll, lin. But I never stopped working, like from

677
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 1: six to ten.

678
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:21,840
Speaker 2: For someone that never wanted a job, it sounds like

679
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 2: to me. It's like, the only jobs you want to

680
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 2: work are the jobs you're passionate about.

681
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:29,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's what And back then I was super

682
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:33,320
Speaker 1: passionate about. It's really, really, really a powerful thing. When

683
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:35,440
Speaker 1: you take an idea and you bring it to the

684
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:37,480
Speaker 1: forefront and then you have a tangible product that you

685
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:40,600
Speaker 1: could sell people. It's like, I'm not going to pick

686
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:43,040
Speaker 1: this up from somewhere. We making it ourselves and then

687
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:45,280
Speaker 1: we we like feeding the streets with it. It was

688
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:48,760
Speaker 1: just empowering. So it was like something I've never done before.

689
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 1: So once it was like a drug. Once I got

690
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:52,720
Speaker 1: a hit of that, I'm like, every day be making

691
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 1: shit and I'm going to get fabric and I'm coming

692
00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 1: back and I'm cutting sleeves. At one time, had the

693
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 1: homies in the crib cutting sleeves, just cutting like three

694
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:01,880
Speaker 1: thousand T shirts at the crib.

695
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 2: Wow. So what when your first order came in on

696
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:11,960
Speaker 2: the website? Who was the first person you called? Woo

697
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:15,840
Speaker 2: or screenshot it at my bro?

698
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:20,239
Speaker 1: My brother? We got to order, Yeah, my bro And

699
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:23,560
Speaker 1: it was a popular basketball player at the time, female

700
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 1: basketball player. So when she got it, she was hype

701
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 1: about it because I'm gonna be the only one with this.

702
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:31,400
Speaker 1: But then a couple of weeks later, she was like,

703
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 1: my sleeve fell off. So I was like, oh shit,

704
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 1: quality control before I even try to go and sell

705
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 1: a product. And then I had to like revisit on

706
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:45,480
Speaker 1: how we were making it and if the machinery was good.

707
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:47,400
Speaker 1: So I took a couple bumps and bruises trying to

708
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:49,720
Speaker 1: just learn how to make sure it air tight? You

709
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:51,040
Speaker 1: feel me? So?

710
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:53,560
Speaker 2: How did you catch when that the So she was

711
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 2: the first person that ordered, first person. It was like

712
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 2: a famous woman, basketball star.

713
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:00,960
Speaker 1: Yeah she was. It's like collegiate famous.

714
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:05,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, how did she catch wind of your site? Did

715
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 2: you ever find out Instagram? Instagram? So she orders it?

716
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:10,960
Speaker 2: Then how do you find out that the sleeve falls off?

717
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:14,480
Speaker 1: She just texted me. Yeah, she texted me like, Yo,

718
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 1: I'm not even tripping, but the sleeve fell off. I'm like,

719
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:20,120
Speaker 1: oh shit, bro. And then I went back to the

720
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 1: shorty who was helping me make the shit. I'm like, yo,

721
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 1: check it out. Sleeves are falling off. What's going on?

722
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:27,800
Speaker 2: How do we make this better?

723
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 1: Yeah? She's just like, well I need this so that

724
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:32,560
Speaker 1: doesn't happen. And then we kind of got I'm like,

725
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:34,560
Speaker 1: why didn't you tell me that before? Yeah, of course,

726
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:36,760
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So then we got the machinery,

727
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:39,560
Speaker 1: and you know, every time I could level up as

728
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:42,880
Speaker 1: far as machinery was concerned, I took the time to

729
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 1: do so because I felt like it was important. So

730
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:48,360
Speaker 1: every time I got bred, got something to make the

731
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:50,800
Speaker 1: quality a little better, got tags to make the packaging

732
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 1: a little better, and just kept and then.

733
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 2: The also thing I think you learned too. It sounds

734
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 2: like I remember my first company, I had a high

735
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 2: school magazine, Nick Cannon, and one of my employees had

736
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 2: came to me and said, you should make the magazine smaller,

737
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 2: and I was like, at the time, I just was

738
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:11,960
Speaker 2: so young. I didn't ask the manufacturers of like different sizes,

739
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 2: but I was like, oh, that's silly, and they're like, no,

740
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:15,280
Speaker 2: it's easy for the kids to put in book bags.

741
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:17,560
Speaker 2: What I learned is that you really got to pay

742
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:20,120
Speaker 2: attention to your team because they're also the eyes and

743
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:22,719
Speaker 2: the ears of the streets. And I think even for

744
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:26,640
Speaker 2: her to kind of she I'm sure she didn't withhold

745
00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 2: it on purpose, but she just assumed maybe the money

746
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:31,799
Speaker 2: wasn't there to cover this one minor tweak for the

747
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:32,719
Speaker 2: sleep to fall off?

748
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 1: Right?

749
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:34,759
Speaker 2: Did you learn that? You think from that?

750
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:37,320
Speaker 1: I think she withheld it on purpose?

751
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:40,880
Speaker 2: Really, yeah, I do o the tea on this one.

752
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:44,880
Speaker 1: I think she with held it on purpose because you know,

753
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:47,920
Speaker 1: we was young. You want to really go out and

754
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:50,279
Speaker 1: do what the boys was doing, like me and the

755
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:54,680
Speaker 1: homiesuits going out, you know, making donfus on a thing.

756
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:56,840
Speaker 1: He was going to the club. He was outside selling

757
00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 1: it while she's inside making it. Yeah, So I felt

758
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 1: like her mindset was just like, let me cut corners

759
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:03,520
Speaker 1: the easiest way, so I don't got to be in

760
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 1: here all day.

761
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:08,720
Speaker 2: Oh okay, okay, I'm which is what I Yeah, shout

762
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:09,120
Speaker 2: out to her.

763
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:10,520
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, God, do what you gotta do.

764
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 1: But we ended up separate part ways after that because

765
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:16,719
Speaker 1: like that, Yeah, yeah, of course, like you always want

766
00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:19,439
Speaker 1: to cut corners when I'm trying. Like, if you rock

767
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 1: with me, we could take this shit somewhere. But if

768
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:23,399
Speaker 1: you always want to cut corners, you're not the type

769
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:24,360
Speaker 1: of person I could work with.

770
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think it's important that everyone on the

771
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:30,279
Speaker 2: team is in it for more than money. Yeah, that

772
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 2: to me is always like, the second I find out

773
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 2: some of my team's in it for money, I'm like,

774
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:37,279
Speaker 2: first of all, I don't pay enough money. You never

775
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:38,719
Speaker 2: gonna be happy.

776
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:38,919
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.

777
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:41,400
Speaker 2: So I become a millionaire, you ain't gonna be happy.

778
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:44,440
Speaker 2: So you probably shouldn't be on my team. But in

779
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:46,920
Speaker 2: the meantime, for everyone on our team, it's like you

780
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:50,160
Speaker 2: have to care about the project. Like everyone on your

781
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:53,560
Speaker 2: team loves Don Pajan, right, yeah, so you feel like

782
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:55,920
Speaker 2: they're your rider dyers or oh yeah.

783
00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:59,439
Speaker 1: And at the time, I had a big core group

784
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:02,439
Speaker 1: friends Homies that was just rocking it and looking good

785
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:04,880
Speaker 1: in it, and we're always together, and it's just it

786
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:08,319
Speaker 1: was like a clan, you know what I'm saying. We

787
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:11,359
Speaker 1: always had it on. So it made a statement when

788
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:13,440
Speaker 1: we would go somewhere or be seen somewhere, like, oh,

789
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:14,839
Speaker 1: don't put you on on them.

790
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:17,799
Speaker 2: So sometimes I go to the post office and I'll

791
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 2: see someone walk in with like a million boxes. I'm like, oh,

792
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:23,920
Speaker 2: this motherfuckers. Oh I wish I had this guy's jobs

793
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:27,239
Speaker 2: going to the post office mailing whatever he's mailing. Is

794
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:29,959
Speaker 2: that what your life is like? Yeah?

795
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:33,120
Speaker 1: For a long time, you know it was a lot,

796
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:35,000
Speaker 1: a lot of packages, a lot of like going not

797
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:36,840
Speaker 1: even to the post office. We go to the hub,

798
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:39,759
Speaker 1: the hub. Yeah, we pull into like the back of

799
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:41,479
Speaker 1: the post office. When you have a lot of mail,

800
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 1: you just go to the hub. And then do you

801
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 1: hear that she just dropped that.

802
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:45,360
Speaker 2: I'm I'm bothering.

803
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:48,760
Speaker 1: I go to the back of the post office.

804
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:50,640
Speaker 2: I don't wait in line, I dup a whole truck

805
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 2: in the back of.

806
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:52,960
Speaker 1: The post office, drop a whole bend in there. And

807
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:54,920
Speaker 1: you don't even they don't scan the gas.

808
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 2: And then how do they bail you?

809
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 1: I pay if I was hand beforehand, you know, just

810
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:05,239
Speaker 1: do the label. Wow, you get the orders.

811
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:08,400
Speaker 2: That's crazy. So when you look back from that first

812
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:10,719
Speaker 2: order to like where you're at now, what is some

813
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:16,319
Speaker 2: of the stuff that you're like most impressed about.

814
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:19,400
Speaker 1: From the growth? H I'm super impressed when I see

815
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:21,760
Speaker 1: my shit in like a thrift store.

816
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 2: Really.

817
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:25,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like a full circle moment for me. Why

818
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:29,719
Speaker 1: because I just know that this has been on so

819
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:32,799
Speaker 1: somebody for so long they decided to not throw it

820
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:35,799
Speaker 1: out but donate it, and now it's thrifted for like

821
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:37,920
Speaker 1: eight ninety nine and somebody else can take it and

822
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:39,400
Speaker 1: give it a new life, and then give it a

823
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:41,719
Speaker 1: new life and give it. I love that perspective and

824
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 1: that's how I started. I think that shit is dope.

825
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 1: I've been in the thrift store sometimes. Oh shit, that's

826
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 1: my shirt.

827
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:47,400
Speaker 2: Do you ever buy it?

828
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 1: Nah?

829
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:49,799
Speaker 2: Now I'm gonna want to go thrifting to see if

830
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 2: I can get through.

831
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:52,359
Speaker 1: You. Right.

832
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:54,440
Speaker 2: You know what, when I was a kid, we were poored.

833
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 2: Our parents would take us to the Salvation Army, and

834
00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:59,880
Speaker 2: of course it was very embarrassing. So like l A,

835
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 2: I feel like thrifting is like a cool thing. And

836
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 2: I remember one of my axes was like, yeah, you know,

837
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:07,960
Speaker 2: let's go to you know, one of those exchange stores.

838
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:10,239
Speaker 2: I'm like, hell no, that's what poor people do. Why

839
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:11,480
Speaker 2: would I buy used clothes?

840
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 1: And yeah, like a Buffalo exchange.

841
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:15,840
Speaker 2: I'm like, heck no, you won't catch me. It's only

842
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 2: new for me.

843
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 1: There's gems in there, though, shit in there. There's some

844
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 1: gems in there that you could remix. And my skill

845
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:24,880
Speaker 1: is always dope because I could see something in two

846
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:28,279
Speaker 1: X and making my size in two what two X

847
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 1: like a two x L big ass. Let's say I

848
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:33,880
Speaker 1: see a big ass av Rex coat and I'd be like,

849
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:36,880
Speaker 1: that's just dope. But the zipper's broken and the lining's busted.

850
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 1: I'll buy that shit for like twenty dollars. Go give

851
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:41,040
Speaker 1: it a new lining, give it a new zipper.

852
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 2: Wow, you know, I mean damn. So I would love

853
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:46,880
Speaker 2: to see your closet. We should have did a home interview.

854
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 1: Oh, the closet is crazy.

855
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 2: Really, do you have a lot of closet space or

856
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:54,400
Speaker 2: is it like you have those racks like the celebrities do.

857
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 1: I have a lot of closet space, but then I

858
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:59,080
Speaker 1: got like tons of racks, just racks, and it's.

859
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 2: Not the rack like, oh, well, racks, racks.

860
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 1: Racks, but it's not even like all my stuff. It's

861
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 1: like archive pieces I've made or things I just want

862
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:08,279
Speaker 1: to hang on to a lot of stylists come to

863
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 1: my crib and pull things.

864
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:12,440
Speaker 2: Really, So, what are some of the celebs that you

865
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:16,720
Speaker 2: were like the most? Like, holy shit, I can't believe

866
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:17,800
Speaker 2: they're wearing my stuff.

867
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:25,879
Speaker 1: I know I'm flying. I make fly shit, So that's

868
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 1: like the goal for people to be in it. But

869
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:29,920
Speaker 1: things that made me happy, like j Cole made me

870
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:34,080
Speaker 1: happy when he was in it. Chris dip Lo Davies

871
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 1: people like that. But the real people, know bullshit that

872
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:39,360
Speaker 1: make me the happiest are the people I've met and

873
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 1: my true supporters that buy for me all the time.

874
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 1: Shout out to y'all. Y'all know who you are all

875
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:45,880
Speaker 1: the way around the world. The average Joe. I'm the

876
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:48,239
Speaker 1: average Joe, So it's made by the average Joe for

877
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:50,840
Speaker 1: the average Joe. I don't follow like style trends. So

878
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:53,880
Speaker 1: I like when a regular person buys my shit and

879
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:57,440
Speaker 1: I see him at like the mall, that hits harder

880
00:39:57,480 --> 00:39:57,839
Speaker 1: than like.

881
00:39:57,840 --> 00:39:59,239
Speaker 2: Do you ever say anything to them?

882
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 1: That probably say something to me, or I have a

883
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:06,200
Speaker 1: lot of people who know me, so like a homie

884
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:07,799
Speaker 1: will be out in another homies like, oh you know,

885
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:11,359
Speaker 1: I feel like gang shit. Yea, you know what I'm saying.

886
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:15,439
Speaker 1: Like it's a small group of people who know what's

887
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:16,480
Speaker 1: up now?

888
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 2: Is yours is the only place for customers to get

889
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:22,920
Speaker 2: your product? Is it only through the website or is

890
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:24,320
Speaker 2: there like brick and border.

891
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:27,759
Speaker 1: Nah, it's through the website. It's just the most cost

892
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 1: efficient way cut out the middleman bullshit, Like, have you.

893
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:34,279
Speaker 2: Thought about getting into like major retail with it? Or

894
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:36,239
Speaker 2: do you want to be like more boutique.

895
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 1: We've done boutiques, We've done major retail and stuff like that.

896
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:42,799
Speaker 1: But it's a whole bunch of you know, things that

897
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:45,000
Speaker 1: go on behind those scenes, and they like to drop

898
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:47,319
Speaker 1: the price and you know, hit you with a net

899
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:50,080
Speaker 1: sixty and get paid sixty days later and shit like that.

900
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:53,080
Speaker 1: So and it kind of can water down and diminish

901
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 1: my brand. Yeah. Yeah, And I'm not too money hungry

902
00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:59,160
Speaker 1: where it's like I want this shit to be everywhere.

903
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:04,759
Speaker 1: I'd rather go deep than why. I'd rather get with

904
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:06,799
Speaker 1: my core fan base and dig deep with them than

905
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:08,680
Speaker 1: try to cast the net and get everybody.

906
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:13,440
Speaker 2: Okay, but what if the check was like devilish tempting.

907
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:16,279
Speaker 2: They were like, hey, Tarot calls and he just wants

908
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:19,560
Speaker 2: you to do this line for like a million dollars

909
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 2: worth of whatever in Target. I'm just saying like non regular, Yeah,

910
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:27,760
Speaker 2: I know it's Dawn Pusan. I'm not saying like, maybe

911
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:29,920
Speaker 2: they came at you for a tear, would you not be?

912
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:33,440
Speaker 1: I would negotiate because I'm not married. I'm not married

913
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 1: to any any of my art, and you will any

914
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:38,960
Speaker 1: of my brands. I'm not married to them like they don't.

915
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 1: They don't outweigh my logic. You know what I'm saying.

916
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:43,960
Speaker 1: Because I can do If I did it once, I

917
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:45,279
Speaker 1: can do it again. I do it all the time.

918
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 1: I do it with other people's brands. I've I've have

919
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:50,319
Speaker 1: helped other people make brands that are bigger than mine.

920
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:52,200
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. So I'm not married to anything.

921
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:53,960
Speaker 1: If a deal makes sense, I'm gonna take it. But

922
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:56,000
Speaker 1: it's gotta make sense. Target makes sense.

923
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:59,360
Speaker 2: Yeah. So have you had to get like business loans

924
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:01,920
Speaker 2: or how did you survive the pandemic and all of

925
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 2: that business loans?

926
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:06,440
Speaker 1: No, I never took as I never took a business loan.

927
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:08,520
Speaker 2: Damn, that's crazy.

928
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:10,920
Speaker 1: No, I never took a business loan. I don't like

929
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:15,279
Speaker 1: to play I don't like to play around with I'm

930
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 1: a strong believer, like if you got it, keep it.

931
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:21,520
Speaker 1: I'm not like a crazy credit I don't like owing

932
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:24,000
Speaker 1: anything really. Yeah.

933
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:27,200
Speaker 2: Well some sometimes owen in the in for the sake

934
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:28,279
Speaker 2: of leverage can be good.

935
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:30,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I get I get paranoid. But I've done

936
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:35,160
Speaker 1: it for other businesses. So it's like when it made

937
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:37,400
Speaker 1: when if if it makes sense, I would do it

938
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:40,440
Speaker 1: but if I don't have to, I won't.

939
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:44,719
Speaker 2: What advice do you give to people starting in that

940
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:46,880
Speaker 2: line of industry in fashion?

941
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:51,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, when you start a brand, my word of advice

942
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:58,560
Speaker 1: would be that it's expensive, so come correct and give

943
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:00,799
Speaker 1: away shit for free because you have to and you

944
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:02,319
Speaker 1: can't feel no type of way about it.

945
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:06,359
Speaker 2: Like now your brand, your pieces are very unique. Like

946
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:09,480
Speaker 2: there was a hat that had it was sold out.

947
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:12,680
Speaker 2: Of course it was sold out. It was a New

948
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 2: York had and it had half one color and half

949
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:18,479
Speaker 2: no color. I think it was like white and orange

950
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:21,239
Speaker 2: split down the middle. Though that shit was fresh death.

951
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:23,440
Speaker 2: Clearly that was the reason why I was sold out.

952
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:28,799
Speaker 2: So is it when you make well, the hats are

953
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 2: cool because there are different sizes, but some of the

954
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:33,919
Speaker 2: clothes and stuff. Do you ever get nervous making a lot?

955
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:37,239
Speaker 2: Because what if you get stuck with the product? Or

956
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:38,799
Speaker 2: is it just like you make it and then it

957
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:41,240
Speaker 2: just sells out till it does or how does that work?

958
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:44,400
Speaker 1: I try to make it and let it, let it

959
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:46,279
Speaker 1: do its thing. But let's say if I made a

960
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:49,600
Speaker 1: lot of overstock and I'm sitting on some shit and

961
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:51,680
Speaker 1: I gotta get rid of it, I usually go back

962
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:53,360
Speaker 1: to my hood. I'll go back to New York and

963
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 1: I throw a pop up shop where everybody in my

964
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:56,960
Speaker 1: hood could get shipped for like twenty thirty dollars.

965
00:43:57,520 --> 00:44:01,400
Speaker 2: Oh shit, okay, smart, Smart, So you're gonna get rid

966
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:03,319
Speaker 2: of it, regard to get rid of it regardless. But

967
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:04,400
Speaker 2: you never take a loss.

968
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:05,400
Speaker 1: Never take a loss.

969
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:07,640
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, never to take a loss.

970
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:09,320
Speaker 1: But I do a lot of shit. I'll give a

971
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:12,359
Speaker 1: lot of stuff away for free because I know it's

972
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:14,440
Speaker 1: like each will teach one when I have it. I

973
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:16,440
Speaker 1: wanted to be fresh, and I know the people that

974
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:19,120
Speaker 1: I look out for are mostly good people when they're

975
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:20,600
Speaker 1: gonna do the same thing when they get up. So

976
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:22,640
Speaker 1: it's like a it's like a circle like that. So

977
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:25,960
Speaker 1: if I'm sitting on product, yeah, i'll go barely make profit.

978
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:27,680
Speaker 1: But now my whole hood's in it.

979
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:30,440
Speaker 2: Yeah. Smart, And you get a lot of love from

980
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:33,640
Speaker 2: New York, Yeah, because some people their own city doesn't

981
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 2: go as hard.

982
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:35,879
Speaker 1: My city go hard.

983
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. Now how often are you in New York

984
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 2: going tomorrow? I know, and you're going to see the

985
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:47,160
Speaker 2: Book of Hope, And I feel like I'm sad that

986
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:51,239
Speaker 2: I won't be there it's spirit in spirit my little

987
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:54,399
Speaker 2: brother uh Ego, he's a comic in New York. Shoul

988
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:56,719
Speaker 2: check him out when you go. He has hair just

989
00:44:56,760 --> 00:45:01,880
Speaker 2: like us, long as fu. But jay Z is my

990
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:04,920
Speaker 2: favorite artists of all time, hence the jay Z painting

991
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:08,719
Speaker 2: in the studio. But when Book of Hope came out,

992
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:10,800
Speaker 2: I was like, Ego, man, is it worth a flight?

993
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:13,399
Speaker 2: Is it worth a flight? Or should I book four

994
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:16,520
Speaker 2: interviews down there so I could totality it? And he

995
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:20,200
Speaker 2: was like, look, I'm gonna be honest, it's inspiring as fuck.

996
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:21,840
Speaker 2: And I was like, oh, the wrong answer.

997
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:25,840
Speaker 1: I know it. Jay Z's my favorite too. You know

998
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:27,600
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, what's your favorite jay Z song?

999
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:33,800
Speaker 2: Friend? And fos Ooh, I think it'll always be my favorite.

1000
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 1: I think that's a good one.

1001
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:37,400
Speaker 2: I mean to be honest, it's hard to have a

1002
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:43,919
Speaker 2: favorite jay Z song because I feel like you grow

1003
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:46,399
Speaker 2: with jay Z even if it goes from reasonable Doubt

1004
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:49,000
Speaker 2: to like any record, you may not have liked it

1005
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 2: the time it came out, but you will like it

1006
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:54,960
Speaker 2: at a time in your life, like you know, Like

1007
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:57,279
Speaker 2: there were periods where I was like Reasonable Doubt was

1008
00:45:57,320 --> 00:46:00,920
Speaker 2: the worst record. Then I'm like twenty, I'm like, reasonable,

1009
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:03,719
Speaker 2: I was, I just wasn't wasn't it yet? Like you know,

1010
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:07,880
Speaker 2: I wasn't there yet yet. Yeah, And and it's weird

1011
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:10,279
Speaker 2: because I could relate to him from I don't know,

1012
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:12,719
Speaker 2: ten twelve. I mean that's when I really started listening

1013
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:15,640
Speaker 2: to him. But like being that young and being able

1014
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:18,520
Speaker 2: to relate to someone with the lyrics that he had

1015
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:21,680
Speaker 2: about hustling, it's weird. Like I just feel like, I

1016
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:23,879
Speaker 2: don't know, for whatever reason, I've always liked him, and

1017
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 2: now to be what thirty nine and be like, yo,

1018
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:28,720
Speaker 2: this is the number one man in the game. It's like, yo,

1019
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 2: I knew it, you know, But but he's truly I

1020
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 2: don't know.

1021
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:37,440
Speaker 1: To meg Yeah, yeah, I don't argue nobody.

1022
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:39,359
Speaker 2: Have you Have you met him?

1023
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:39,680
Speaker 1: Nah?

1024
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 2: I did?

1025
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:41,600
Speaker 1: That's dope.

1026
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:44,880
Speaker 2: I did, and I wasted my moment.

1027
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:45,839
Speaker 1: Oh shit.

1028
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's one of those things. I heard. My

1029
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:51,239
Speaker 2: dad met him and said to him, you should do

1030
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:54,040
Speaker 2: a song about Brooklyn, And then jay Z looked at

1031
00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:58,239
Speaker 2: him and was like, got really upset. Clearly you don't

1032
00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:02,040
Speaker 2: listen to my music. I was like, that's what you

1033
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:08,840
Speaker 2: came with. Yeah, so you know, but my dad's like,

1034
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:11,719
Speaker 2: we'll give him the white jew pass and yeah, my

1035
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:17,120
Speaker 2: mom is Jamaica and my dad is Jewish, so flip,

1036
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:21,279
Speaker 2: I'm so used to your combo. I never really see mine.

1037
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:23,400
Speaker 2: But then I see like, I think it's Serena Williams

1038
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:24,120
Speaker 2: or one of them.

1039
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:27,200
Speaker 1: That I barely ever see your combo either. Yeah, yeah,

1040
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:29,360
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have I wouldn't have pegged you for that combo.

1041
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:33,880
Speaker 1: Really got asked, what what cause that combo? I feel

1042
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:37,799
Speaker 1: like that com that combo. I don't know. I just

1043
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:40,120
Speaker 1: feel like I can I can sense them, the ones

1044
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:42,279
Speaker 1: that have the black mom and the white dad.

1045
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:46,400
Speaker 2: Did you ever read Trevor Noah's book called Born a Crime?

1046
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 1: No? It was it good.

1047
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:52,560
Speaker 2: Bro, When you go to New York, don't take no

1048
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:56,120
Speaker 2: advice from me but this and and text me. Well,

1049
00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:57,920
Speaker 2: I'll give you my number and hopefully you'll text me.

1050
00:47:57,960 --> 00:48:00,279
Speaker 2: But when you go to New York, get the ever

1051
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:04,200
Speaker 2: Noah book Born a Crime, and just enjoy it and

1052
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:06,920
Speaker 2: then tell me. Or if you listen to audio books,

1053
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:09,560
Speaker 2: listen to it on audio. But I think being a

1054
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:13,960
Speaker 2: mixed person has its pros and its cons. I know

1055
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:19,680
Speaker 2: with my family it's been at the timing. Maybe of it.

1056
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:22,760
Speaker 2: It was more difficult for like maybe the white six

1057
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:26,120
Speaker 2: have black and the you know yeah or whatever. But

1058
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:28,520
Speaker 2: I feel like Trevor Noah kind of in that book

1059
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:31,719
Speaker 2: gave us our own lane, which I never thought we had.

1060
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:35,240
Speaker 2: So I was like, I never thought I had an identity.

1061
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:37,880
Speaker 2: I always was like, I'm black, I'm black, black, black,

1062
00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:43,000
Speaker 2: or definitely never claimed white. That's for damn sure. Sorry guys,

1063
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:46,920
Speaker 2: either never claim white. In America. It's like once you

1064
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:49,520
Speaker 2: have a little bit of black, you're you're you're black,

1065
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:52,879
Speaker 2: you know whatever. So never ever, white was never something

1066
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:54,719
Speaker 2: I claimed. But I always felt like, you know, as

1067
00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 2: a mixed person, you're fighting to stay black or you're

1068
00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:01,239
Speaker 2: trying it's fighting to prove that you're black, especially if

1069
00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:04,560
Speaker 2: you're the lighter you are, the more you're trying to

1070
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:07,840
Speaker 2: fight to hone that crown. Right, did you ever have

1071
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:08,520
Speaker 2: those issues?

1072
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:12,960
Speaker 1: I'm super light, like white light, you know, you know

1073
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:17,920
Speaker 1: what I mean? And growing up I was just like, damn,

1074
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:20,400
Speaker 1: I'm light. Even though my mom's white. I was like,

1075
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:22,279
Speaker 1: in a winter, lighter than her because she'll go to

1076
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:40,160
Speaker 1: the tannem booth and all that. But I always felt

1077
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:42,920
Speaker 1: and it's just like I ain't never had those issues.

1078
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:44,719
Speaker 1: I'm not even gonna lie, not even internally.

1079
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:47,919
Speaker 2: But you you didn't feel like you had to cling

1080
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:51,200
Speaker 2: to one side. Well, I think also because the way

1081
00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:53,520
Speaker 2: you described your town. Yeah, I kind of like my.

1082
00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:55,920
Speaker 1: Whole white side, Like I love them, but I feel

1083
00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 1: like they was kind of like I definitely couldn't couldn't relate.

1084
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:03,000
Speaker 1: I could tell they were kind of like probably racist

1085
00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:05,400
Speaker 1: before me and alone, you know what I'm saying. And

1086
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:07,440
Speaker 1: I always felt that and I sensed it a little bit,

1087
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:09,799
Speaker 1: but they had love for us. And you know, once

1088
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:12,400
Speaker 1: you start loving biracial babies, I feel like it changes

1089
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:15,560
Speaker 1: your perspective on like what it really is, the intermix

1090
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:17,680
Speaker 1: and intermingled with the other race. And I feel like

1091
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:20,319
Speaker 1: they got a little bit more kind and soft and

1092
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:24,480
Speaker 1: became more peaceful. But it was never like belligerent disrespect

1093
00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:26,279
Speaker 1: or anything towards me that made me feel like I

1094
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:26,960
Speaker 1: had to choose.

1095
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:30,520
Speaker 2: Have you ever seen them do anything disrespectful to your dad?

1096
00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:34,480
Speaker 1: Though? No, Okay, that's cool. My mom says this shit

1097
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:36,640
Speaker 1: like before I was born, in all that which I

1098
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:38,959
Speaker 1: could see different times, you know what I'm saying.

1099
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:45,160
Speaker 2: But nah, yeah, cause it it's weird. It's weird because

1100
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:46,360
Speaker 2: you get just a caoll it, like you get to

1101
00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:48,640
Speaker 2: see how both sides live. Yeah, you know, you get

1102
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:52,239
Speaker 2: to see like you're right there. The white side will

1103
00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:55,360
Speaker 2: definitely form some kind of attachment. But in my mind,

1104
00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:58,880
Speaker 2: I will never feel one hundred percent equal to his

1105
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:02,080
Speaker 2: like cousins, not my white cousins. I'll never feel like,

1106
00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:05,760
Speaker 2: you know, if there's favor to be placed, it's gonna

1107
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:08,720
Speaker 2: be from them, yeah, you know. And so you definitely

1108
00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:11,919
Speaker 2: will always feel one hundred percent black, whether your mixed

1109
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:15,080
Speaker 2: or not. In if you're biracial, you're always gonna fee

1110
00:51:15,080 --> 00:51:17,200
Speaker 2: one hundred percent black when it comes to your white

1111
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:21,040
Speaker 2: family because as there is that invisible line that's drawn

1112
00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:23,000
Speaker 2: in the sand where it's like, yeah, we cool, but

1113
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:25,920
Speaker 2: we now one hundred percent you know.

1114
00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:32,080
Speaker 1: But I don't come from like affluent white people. I

1115
00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:33,640
Speaker 1: come from like trailer.

1116
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:36,239
Speaker 2: Well, well you said your hotwn is kind of like that,

1117
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:37,360
Speaker 2: so it's like kind of normal.

1118
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:40,239
Speaker 1: My moms don't play about her kids, so it was

1119
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:42,319
Speaker 1: never like it was like never like that.

1120
00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:45,279
Speaker 2: Your mom sounds a little gangst a.

1121
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:48,879
Speaker 1: Little bit, she don't play about her kids. So well,

1122
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:51,439
Speaker 1: it's thick because like but if my if my white

1123
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:54,359
Speaker 1: side was like richer and affluent. I definitely saw that

1124
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:58,320
Speaker 1: with other my other biracial friends. But I'm like, yeah,

1125
00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:00,920
Speaker 1: it's tough, y'all play over there type. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1126
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:01,479
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying.

1127
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:05,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I experienced. But I think the I

1128
00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:07,480
Speaker 2: always recommend the Trevor Noah but because I think that

1129
00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:09,640
Speaker 2: it for me at least, it gave me so much

1130
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:12,160
Speaker 2: peace within myself. I was like, we got our own issues.

1131
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:13,680
Speaker 2: Nobody ever talks about.

1132
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:16,920
Speaker 1: We for sure got our own issues. But more so

1133
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:19,520
Speaker 1: like when you get into the school in like college,

1134
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:24,320
Speaker 1: and like start hearing conversations with my black female friends

1135
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:27,600
Speaker 1: and just not to me towards other light skin of honeys,

1136
00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:29,000
Speaker 1: I would get a rhetoric and be like.

1137
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:32,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, you know what I'm saying. It gets uncomfortable.

1138
00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:33,040
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1139
00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:34,799
Speaker 2: It was a period where I would be like, oh man,

1140
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:37,080
Speaker 2: please don't have this conversation around me, Like the colorism

1141
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:40,560
Speaker 2: is crazy. It's crazy now. I know for me, when

1142
00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:44,120
Speaker 2: I date, I don't prefer to date guys that only

1143
00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:47,000
Speaker 2: date mixed or light skin. I feel like there's some

1144
00:52:47,120 --> 00:52:53,640
Speaker 2: kind of internal something went wrong. So your mama's black, right,

1145
00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:57,200
Speaker 2: but you don't date they? Okay, yeah, I don't want.

1146
00:52:57,239 --> 00:52:57,680
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1147
00:52:57,719 --> 00:52:59,560
Speaker 1: It just feels people think I don't date black women,

1148
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:02,160
Speaker 1: like really, yeah, it's just wild.

1149
00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:05,319
Speaker 2: I always feel like, now this is racist what I'm

1150
00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:09,960
Speaker 2: about to I always feel like light like dark and

1151
00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:13,920
Speaker 2: dark light slighter, but it could be a myth. I

1152
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:16,880
Speaker 2: don't know. I like darker. I don't really date guys

1153
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:17,319
Speaker 2: that are light.

1154
00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:24,440
Speaker 1: I like smart, pretty fine, you know, don't funny. You

1155
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:28,840
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. But you know, once Instagram started

1156
00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:31,520
Speaker 1: getting his wheels and shit showing your little honeys on Instagram,

1157
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:34,000
Speaker 1: now everybody like I come across females like, oh, I

1158
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:36,440
Speaker 1: already know your type. I know you don't you don't

1159
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:38,520
Speaker 1: like black girls. I'm like, how you say that? Like

1160
00:53:38,719 --> 00:53:43,200
Speaker 1: my first love of my life full black, my other

1161
00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:45,640
Speaker 1: first girl like full guy in these like black or

1162
00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:46,160
Speaker 1: black black?

1163
00:53:46,239 --> 00:53:48,600
Speaker 2: Do you respond when people through that, like if they

1164
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:51,520
Speaker 2: start throwing those accusations, because I'll just stop talking to people.

1165
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:54,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no, I like to be like I gotta

1166
00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:57,359
Speaker 1: I gotta track list, Like yeah, I like.

1167
00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:01,720
Speaker 2: But you explain yourself if they do. Yeah, I'll exit

1168
00:54:01,719 --> 00:54:03,640
Speaker 2: a phone call, like if a dude says something that

1169
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:06,919
Speaker 2: like an accusational and I don't know you, like, oh yeah,

1170
00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:08,960
Speaker 2: you date this type, I'm like, all right, well I

1171
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:11,960
Speaker 2: gotta go, Like are you serious? I'm like, yeah, I

1172
00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:13,959
Speaker 2: gotta go, because if you're coming to me with these

1173
00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:16,880
Speaker 2: presumptions already, you're not trying to get to know me.

1174
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:19,200
Speaker 2: You've already figured out who I already am, a.

1175
00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:21,040
Speaker 1: Woman that I wouldn't get to know anyways. They just said,

1176
00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:24,760
Speaker 1: so you try and back, yeah, just just to be funny.

1177
00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:27,680
Speaker 1: I'm like, Okay, that's that's funny. You know what I'm saying,

1178
00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:30,000
Speaker 1: I probably would't like you. Yeah, that doesn't mean I

1179
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:32,560
Speaker 1: don't like like white women. I'm more I'm on the

1180
00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:35,439
Speaker 1: other side, like I don't I don't really date white women, not.

1181
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:36,080
Speaker 2: That I don't really.

1182
00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:38,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, I hate them, but I don't.

1183
00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:43,520
Speaker 2: Hate white But I've never I fucked up with one

1184
00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:47,080
Speaker 2: white guy. For the record, some guy from high school. Okay,

1185
00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:49,920
Speaker 2: later on in life, I felt like, dude's been trailing

1186
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:50,319
Speaker 2: me for.

1187
00:54:50,239 --> 00:54:51,120
Speaker 1: So long.

1188
00:54:55,320 --> 00:54:59,360
Speaker 2: Whatever, But once that is it, and it's probably gonna

1189
00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:03,560
Speaker 2: remain that way. Definitely haven't unless it's like I don't

1190
00:55:03,560 --> 00:55:08,359
Speaker 2: know the dude from shameless, you know, like I don't know,

1191
00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:11,799
Speaker 2: for some strange reason, that guy from Beer, Yeah, I'd

1192
00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:12,120
Speaker 2: be like.

1193
00:55:12,120 --> 00:55:20,399
Speaker 3: Well, you know, yeah, maybe you Leonardo DiCaprio one hundred. Yes,

1194
00:55:21,239 --> 00:55:23,200
Speaker 3: you know there's certain people where you'd be like, you know,

1195
00:55:23,560 --> 00:55:26,719
Speaker 3: there's exceptions to every room, you know, like I'm sure

1196
00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:32,080
Speaker 3: like the girl from Barbie, there's.

1197
00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:33,319
Speaker 2: Not a lot of people. I don't give a fuck.

1198
00:55:34,520 --> 00:55:37,000
Speaker 2: If you could be a diehard, I will never date

1199
00:55:37,080 --> 00:55:38,799
Speaker 2: white shell walk into your room and you'd be like,

1200
00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:40,799
Speaker 2: today's a different day.

1201
00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:42,919
Speaker 1: I would date you. Know what I'm saying, I don't.

1202
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:44,879
Speaker 1: I don't have a problem. I just haven't really came

1203
00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:49,120
Speaker 1: across a white woman where I'm like okay.

1204
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:52,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. But also I think for you, would

1205
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:55,479
Speaker 2: you would you if you met the perfect one? Would

1206
00:55:55,520 --> 00:55:58,279
Speaker 2: you be a little intimidated about? Would you be the

1207
00:55:58,320 --> 00:56:00,319
Speaker 2: type of call your friends and be like, so I

1208
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:05,840
Speaker 2: met this girl, she do would you disclaimer before you

1209
00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:08,879
Speaker 2: decide to like make it official? I feel like you

1210
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:09,720
Speaker 2: will ship?

1211
00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:15,080
Speaker 1: No? You want to know, Yo, that's got it crazy?

1212
00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:16,840
Speaker 2: Why does that happened to you?

1213
00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:19,120
Speaker 1: No, because that's some shit I might do.

1214
00:56:19,520 --> 00:56:23,360
Speaker 2: I'm yeah, not everybody, you know, Like I noticed, like me.

1215
00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:26,479
Speaker 1: But people say id take or whatever the case may be.

1216
00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:32,040
Speaker 1: But I know, like it's a problem with me. I

1217
00:56:32,080 --> 00:56:39,960
Speaker 1: feel uncomfortable around a huge white group of people. It

1218
00:56:40,040 --> 00:56:41,319
Speaker 1: makes me feel uncomfortable.

1219
00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:43,279
Speaker 2: That's how I kind of feel around like a lot

1220
00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:45,400
Speaker 2: of rich people. I don't know, for some sort of

1221
00:56:45,400 --> 00:56:48,319
Speaker 2: reason I think I get in my head. Yeah, but

1222
00:56:48,360 --> 00:56:54,680
Speaker 2: white people, no, I just I played my position in

1223
00:56:54,719 --> 00:56:57,880
Speaker 2: those rivers, you know, back in the day. It's funny

1224
00:56:57,880 --> 00:57:01,360
Speaker 2: because now we're like more talking about like rules of

1225
00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:03,520
Speaker 2: the workplace. But like whenever I work for white people,

1226
00:57:03,719 --> 00:57:05,520
Speaker 2: you know, I used to rock a lot of braids

1227
00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:09,040
Speaker 2: and it was like, Okay, Coley, we're about to have

1228
00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:17,479
Speaker 2: an event, so uh, hair looks great. But events on Thursday, Yes, sir,

1229
00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:19,840
Speaker 2: it's gonna be out and the braids will be gone

1230
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:22,400
Speaker 2: by Thursday. You know, they still saying now all the

1231
00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:24,040
Speaker 2: way relation.

1232
00:57:23,880 --> 00:57:26,880
Speaker 1: Ship, you know what I'm saying, Yeah, white people do

1233
00:57:27,320 --> 00:57:29,920
Speaker 1: that ship a lot, Like do comb your hair? Your

1234
00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:33,160
Speaker 1: hair so nice to brush? Can I touch it? Like

1235
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:35,360
Speaker 1: I had that way. I had a white woman do

1236
00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:37,120
Speaker 1: that to me the other day. She didn't even asked,

1237
00:57:37,160 --> 00:57:38,880
Speaker 1: she just started touching my hair, like, oh god, it's

1238
00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:40,800
Speaker 1: so beautiful and it wasn't in a bad way, but

1239
00:57:40,840 --> 00:57:43,960
Speaker 1: it was just like you're miss You didn't even have

1240
00:57:44,080 --> 00:57:46,880
Speaker 1: to touch my hair. You're like you're petting me now. And

1241
00:57:46,920 --> 00:57:48,520
Speaker 1: I don't like the code switch. I like to keep

1242
00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:50,240
Speaker 1: I like to keep it me wherever I'm at. And

1243
00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:53,720
Speaker 1: I'm very like smart, intellectual, well spoken one. I need

1244
00:57:53,760 --> 00:57:56,560
Speaker 1: to be what I'm still I still like to be me.

1245
00:57:56,640 --> 00:57:59,680
Speaker 1: I still like to get my urban ebonics on.

1246
00:57:59,800 --> 00:58:00,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, yea, yeah yeah.

1247
00:58:00,840 --> 00:58:03,200
Speaker 1: I hate the colde switch. And I'm like I switch

1248
00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:04,520
Speaker 1: in my body about.

1249
00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:06,480
Speaker 2: It, like you know, really, so you don't switch. I

1250
00:58:06,520 --> 00:58:09,720
Speaker 2: switch all day. Because my grandfather, with my first company,

1251
00:58:10,560 --> 00:58:13,080
Speaker 2: the magazine, he would always come up to me. He'd

1252
00:58:13,080 --> 00:58:15,480
Speaker 2: be like, Colleen, when you get in a room with

1253
00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:18,960
Speaker 2: these people, please don't speak you bonics. I'd be like

1254
00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:20,040
Speaker 2: what and he'd be.

1255
00:58:19,960 --> 00:58:21,560
Speaker 1: Like, don't speak to you bonics.

1256
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:27,000
Speaker 2: You know what I mean? Like, okay, Grandpa, okay. But

1257
00:58:27,120 --> 00:58:29,360
Speaker 2: my grandfather loved the shit out of me, but he

1258
00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:32,440
Speaker 2: definitely was like, don't don't speak to you bonics, you know.

1259
00:58:32,560 --> 00:58:35,920
Speaker 2: And I was like, all right, whatever, you know, it

1260
00:58:36,040 --> 00:58:40,080
Speaker 2: is what it is. But depending on the white room,

1261
00:58:40,320 --> 00:58:42,240
Speaker 2: you know, but I'll switch it up for money.

1262
00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:46,280
Speaker 1: I'll switch it up at.

1263
00:58:45,680 --> 00:58:48,320
Speaker 2: People in there. I'll be like, yes, sir, uh, you'll

1264
00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:50,880
Speaker 2: never hear it. Curse really my mouth, you know. But

1265
00:58:50,920 --> 00:58:52,920
Speaker 2: I will say this though. I sent my daughter to

1266
00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:55,240
Speaker 2: school and she doesn't let me touch your hair. She

1267
00:58:55,360 --> 00:58:58,320
Speaker 2: just curly hair, never lets me touch it, acts like

1268
00:58:58,640 --> 00:59:02,920
Speaker 2: bloody murder. If I barely touching right go near, I'm like, hey,

1269
00:59:02,960 --> 00:59:06,040
Speaker 2: can I do? But every day she comes home from

1270
00:59:06,080 --> 00:59:08,960
Speaker 2: school with a brand new hairdo, and a part of

1271
00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:10,920
Speaker 2: me is like, I wonder why they're always playing in

1272
00:59:10,920 --> 00:59:13,160
Speaker 2: your hair. But the other part of me is like,

1273
00:59:13,680 --> 00:59:15,960
Speaker 2: at least someone gets to do her hair, and they

1274
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:18,320
Speaker 2: do great styles. So I'm like, kudos to you. You

1275
00:59:18,360 --> 00:59:21,640
Speaker 2: want to run your fingers to dry curly hair, by

1276
00:59:21,680 --> 00:59:23,800
Speaker 2: all means I would spray it down.

1277
00:59:24,360 --> 00:59:26,480
Speaker 3: You let her run her fingers to it. I can't

1278
00:59:26,520 --> 00:59:29,880
Speaker 3: even spray it down. Do you comb your hair dry?

1279
00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:30,560
Speaker 1: Oh?

1280
00:59:30,640 --> 00:59:32,240
Speaker 2: No, never, I've never done it.

1281
00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:34,280
Speaker 1: No, no, right, it's not gonna work.

1282
00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:35,880
Speaker 2: It would never happen.

1283
00:59:35,960 --> 00:59:38,959
Speaker 1: I'm breaking comb, that's just going.

1284
00:59:39,240 --> 00:59:42,400
Speaker 2: I'm like, conditioner and water is my best friend. I

1285
00:59:42,440 --> 00:59:44,240
Speaker 2: barely shampoo. Do you shampoo?

1286
00:59:44,280 --> 00:59:44,320
Speaker 1: What?

1287
00:59:45,640 --> 00:59:47,920
Speaker 2: I know we're getting so off topic, but anyways.

1288
00:59:48,120 --> 00:59:49,440
Speaker 1: Nah, conditioner all the way.

1289
00:59:49,720 --> 00:59:54,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm like, I shampoo probably once or twice twice

1290
00:59:54,680 --> 00:59:58,000
Speaker 2: a week. No, I don't do it that much. The

1291
00:59:58,040 --> 00:59:59,520
Speaker 2: amount of here you have, I wouldn't even do it

1292
00:59:59,560 --> 01:00:01,160
Speaker 2: that much. It's dries it out.

1293
01:00:01,520 --> 01:00:03,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, but my ship, I swim a lot.

1294
01:00:04,240 --> 01:00:05,360
Speaker 2: Oh I don't know how to swim.

1295
01:00:05,880 --> 01:00:09,560
Speaker 1: Teach me, that's great, teach me.

1296
01:00:11,160 --> 01:00:14,320
Speaker 2: Teach me please. Yeah, I could see that that chlorine

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Speaker 2: would dry it out.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, do but I like to swim. I like to

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01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:20,960
Speaker 1: run so and I want you know, you have a

1300
01:00:21,040 --> 01:00:22,720
Speaker 1: hug somebody in their hair stins. I don't want that.

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Speaker 1: I don't want that.

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Speaker 2: I use to Garnier or herbal Essence. I feel like

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01:00:25,960 --> 01:00:28,760
Speaker 2: they're the thicker, thickest conditioner I can find. I've tried

1304
01:00:28,800 --> 01:00:33,120
Speaker 2: all the mixed chicks, all the random products, black hair products.

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01:00:33,280 --> 01:00:38,360
Speaker 2: None of that stuff works for me. But fruit tos Guardia,

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Speaker 2: what are you using?

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Speaker 1: Oh? I go through a plethora of things, you know

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Speaker 1: what I mean.

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01:00:42,680 --> 01:00:45,040
Speaker 2: As long as it's not like tailing Pony. I saw

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Speaker 2: that ship, I.

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Speaker 1: Was like, I use like that Moroccan, the Moroccan brand.

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Speaker 2: Oh, really, that stuff doesn't work either. Have you tried

1313
01:00:52,480 --> 01:00:57,920
Speaker 2: the fruits garnier you don't like, oh, I I literally

1314
01:00:58,040 --> 01:01:00,800
Speaker 2: leave in their regular conditioner. It keeps my without frizz.

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Speaker 1: Okay, get that's a gem.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I just don't rent it all out because if

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01:01:05,880 --> 01:01:11,160
Speaker 2: you if you, if you rent out too much, then

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01:01:11,200 --> 01:01:13,680
Speaker 2: it doesn't keep the frizz. But if you keeping too much,

1319
01:01:13,760 --> 01:01:15,800
Speaker 2: it keeps your weight on your curls heavier, so it

1320
01:01:15,800 --> 01:01:20,720
Speaker 2: doesn't get as fluffy if you use it. Holler at me,

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01:01:20,800 --> 01:01:22,680
Speaker 2: I promise you, and I combed through my hair so

1322
01:01:22,840 --> 01:01:25,800
Speaker 2: fast in the shower with it, versus like I could.

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01:01:25,800 --> 01:01:28,840
Speaker 2: Literally if you gave me ten conditioners, I will tell

1324
01:01:28,840 --> 01:01:30,680
Speaker 2: you which is the best from curly hair just by

1325
01:01:30,760 --> 01:01:33,600
Speaker 2: touching it. Like if you line them all up, I'd

1326
01:01:33,640 --> 01:01:35,600
Speaker 2: be like, this one's not gonna work. This one's gonna work,

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01:01:35,600 --> 01:01:38,480
Speaker 2: this one's not just by the thickness period. I don't

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01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:40,480
Speaker 2: give a fuck what you name it. I'm like, that

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01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:43,280
Speaker 2: shit ain't gonna work. I don't use no gel or nothing,

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01:01:44,120 --> 01:01:45,160
Speaker 2: just conditioner and water.

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Speaker 1: This shit works.

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01:01:50,680 --> 01:01:54,120
Speaker 2: But all right, back to don Pujon. What is the

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01:01:54,160 --> 01:01:59,200
Speaker 2: biggest milestones you think you have reached thus far? And

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01:01:59,240 --> 01:02:01,240
Speaker 2: what milestones are you hoping to reach.

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Speaker 1: The biggest milestone I've hit thus far for me is

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01:02:10,760 --> 01:02:16,720
Speaker 1: accepting the fact that it's okay to like rebrand and

1337
01:02:16,800 --> 01:02:21,760
Speaker 1: readjust and start over sometimes and like pull everything down

1338
01:02:21,800 --> 01:02:24,040
Speaker 1: to get a fresh new start. I used to just

1339
01:02:24,440 --> 01:02:28,640
Speaker 1: go so fucking hard and sometimes I'll burn out. So

1340
01:02:28,680 --> 01:02:30,880
Speaker 1: now I finally reached a point in my career where

1341
01:02:30,920 --> 01:02:34,480
Speaker 1: I'm okay with like recharging instead of just burning out

1342
01:02:34,760 --> 01:02:37,040
Speaker 1: and then burning out and burning out. I have like

1343
01:02:37,080 --> 01:02:40,160
Speaker 1: a really good work life balance and I'm happy about that.

1344
01:02:40,280 --> 01:02:43,280
Speaker 1: And it's through the ebbs and flows of learning the

1345
01:02:43,320 --> 01:02:44,880
Speaker 1: business that I've gotten there.

1346
01:02:45,280 --> 01:02:46,080
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.

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01:02:46,200 --> 01:02:48,040
Speaker 1: And what I want to do in the future, I

1348
01:02:48,120 --> 01:02:52,200
Speaker 1: just want to I want to be like the biggest

1349
01:02:52,320 --> 01:02:56,880
Speaker 1: black lesbian creative director, fashion stylist. I want to be

1350
01:02:56,960 --> 01:03:01,840
Speaker 1: known for just having a fashion brand, creating other fashion brands,

1351
01:03:01,840 --> 01:03:03,720
Speaker 1: and I want to do costume for film and TV.

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01:03:04,040 --> 01:03:07,160
Speaker 2: I've never seen I thought, you're you're getting into that, right, Yeah, yeah,

1353
01:03:07,200 --> 01:03:08,640
Speaker 2: for sure, you just got into that, right.

1354
01:03:08,640 --> 01:03:10,840
Speaker 1: Just got into that. But I've never seen a brand Lupid.

1355
01:03:10,920 --> 01:03:13,360
Speaker 1: I've never seen an actual fashion designer Lupid around.

1356
01:03:14,040 --> 01:03:18,120
Speaker 2: Now I'm gonna play Devil's Advocate. Is there a reason

1357
01:03:18,120 --> 01:03:20,840
Speaker 2: why you want to be the biggest black and lesbian

1358
01:03:21,320 --> 01:03:25,320
Speaker 2: brand instead of just the biggest creative director.

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01:03:26,120 --> 01:03:29,160
Speaker 1: Oh, creative, creative, creative director, because I just see a

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01:03:29,160 --> 01:03:29,520
Speaker 1: lot of.

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01:03:30,520 --> 01:03:32,840
Speaker 2: Do you see a lot of certain type in that

1362
01:03:32,880 --> 01:03:35,320
Speaker 2: space or some see a lot of men? Okay, see

1363
01:03:35,360 --> 01:03:37,439
Speaker 2: a lot of men and women's fashion. I don't see any.

1364
01:03:38,760 --> 01:03:41,320
Speaker 1: There's Wilds Browner, shout out to her, but I don't

1365
01:03:41,320 --> 01:03:43,480
Speaker 1: see a lot of women in men's fashion at all.

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01:03:44,320 --> 01:03:46,200
Speaker 2: Oh, so you want but are you saying that you

1367
01:03:46,280 --> 01:03:48,160
Speaker 2: want to just be in men's fashion.

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01:03:47,880 --> 01:03:51,000
Speaker 1: Or just yeah? That's why I stand. I'm not really

1369
01:03:51,000 --> 01:03:51,800
Speaker 1: in the women's way.

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Speaker 2: I'm fuck it, but your gear, I feel like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

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01:03:59,640 --> 01:04:01,640
Speaker 2: but you don't really mess with the women's Yeah, I don't.

1372
01:04:01,480 --> 01:04:03,600
Speaker 1: Really mess with the women's stuff. It's because women are

1373
01:04:03,640 --> 01:04:09,440
Speaker 1: getting more fashionable and more comfortable in baggy and baggy

1374
01:04:09,480 --> 01:04:11,760
Speaker 1: and drogeness looks. Yeah, yeah, more than they were.

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01:04:12,160 --> 01:04:12,840
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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01:04:12,880 --> 01:04:15,320
Speaker 1: But imagine if like East Saint Laurent did the whole

1377
01:04:15,360 --> 01:04:19,120
Speaker 1: costume for like a breakfast at Tiffany's the movie. Okay,

1378
01:04:19,360 --> 01:04:21,520
Speaker 1: that's how I kind of I wanna. I want to

1379
01:04:21,560 --> 01:04:23,560
Speaker 1: structure it that way, Like Don't Put You On? Did

1380
01:04:23,560 --> 01:04:26,600
Speaker 1: the costuming for the whole Black Panther or something like that.

1381
01:04:26,920 --> 01:04:29,120
Speaker 2: Now, with the writers strike and everything that's going on,

1382
01:04:29,240 --> 01:04:30,360
Speaker 2: is it hindering you at all?

1383
01:04:30,880 --> 01:04:34,600
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, a lot of productions are just stopped.

1384
01:04:34,600 --> 01:04:37,520
Speaker 2: So how long have you been doing the costume work

1385
01:04:37,600 --> 01:04:42,000
Speaker 2: for TV or have you started six months? Six months?

1386
01:04:42,000 --> 01:04:46,200
Speaker 2: And what was like the big the first big one.

1387
01:04:46,040 --> 01:04:49,400
Speaker 1: You did, the shy On show on Show Tom, the

1388
01:04:49,840 --> 01:04:51,960
Speaker 1: show called the Shay Shoot.

1389
01:04:52,200 --> 01:04:54,040
Speaker 2: Did they pay a lot?

1390
01:04:54,400 --> 01:04:56,640
Speaker 1: Well, it's a I'm in a union, so you only

1391
01:04:56,640 --> 01:05:00,480
Speaker 1: get paid at the rate the rate of the union,

1392
01:05:00,560 --> 01:05:02,480
Speaker 1: which the costume designers were at the bottom of the

1393
01:05:02,480 --> 01:05:05,479
Speaker 1: totem pole, and they want to strike for that because

1394
01:05:05,480 --> 01:05:08,320
Speaker 1: it's like you're naked without us. You know, you can't

1395
01:05:08,320 --> 01:05:09,880
Speaker 1: build a character without the costuming.

1396
01:05:09,920 --> 01:05:12,080
Speaker 2: And the way the union works is like you can't

1397
01:05:12,080 --> 01:05:14,600
Speaker 2: make over, Like you can't negotiate over a certain amount.

1398
01:05:15,240 --> 01:05:19,760
Speaker 1: Hell no, because you you. I mean you could, but

1399
01:05:19,880 --> 01:05:22,320
Speaker 1: nobody will ever do that because they don't have to,

1400
01:05:22,720 --> 01:05:24,520
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So it's like you got

1401
01:05:24,560 --> 01:05:29,040
Speaker 1: your producers, then you got like a cinematographer, then you

1402
01:05:29,160 --> 01:05:33,320
Speaker 1: got everybody else and fucking and everything else, and then

1403
01:05:33,360 --> 01:05:36,920
Speaker 1: you got costume designer assistant costume designer at the bottom.

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01:05:37,960 --> 01:05:40,280
Speaker 2: What how'd you get into that line? Though? How'd you

1405
01:05:40,320 --> 01:05:41,720
Speaker 2: get into shy?

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01:05:41,920 --> 01:05:43,720
Speaker 1: Somebody called me and asked me if I wanted to

1407
01:05:43,760 --> 01:05:44,000
Speaker 1: do it?

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01:05:44,360 --> 01:05:45,800
Speaker 2: So you got in through your friend?

1409
01:05:46,080 --> 01:05:49,120
Speaker 1: Yeah? Through my friends. She's one of the you know,

1410
01:05:49,320 --> 01:05:52,600
Speaker 1: creators of the show. Showrunner. She called like, I got

1411
01:05:52,800 --> 01:05:55,320
Speaker 1: this project for you, broke down the details, and I'm like,

1412
01:05:55,400 --> 01:05:56,840
Speaker 1: I'm down. You know what I'm saying. It was my

1413
01:05:56,880 --> 01:05:57,360
Speaker 1: first time.

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01:05:57,480 --> 01:05:59,080
Speaker 2: Did you even ask how once you You're just like

1415
01:05:59,080 --> 01:06:02,560
Speaker 2: I'm down. Just like I'm down. I would have been

1416
01:06:02,600 --> 01:06:05,120
Speaker 2: so excited and you were you on set? Or how

1417
01:06:05,160 --> 01:06:05,960
Speaker 2: does it work.

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01:06:06,080 --> 01:06:08,040
Speaker 1: For that one? I wasn't on set. I was just

1419
01:06:09,720 --> 01:06:13,360
Speaker 1: corresponding with the costume designers on set to make things

1420
01:06:13,400 --> 01:06:15,000
Speaker 1: and then ship them, and then we're shipping back and

1421
01:06:15,000 --> 01:06:17,520
Speaker 1: then we FaceTime a lot and try to get down

1422
01:06:17,560 --> 01:06:18,560
Speaker 1: to the nitty gritty.

1423
01:06:18,600 --> 01:06:20,960
Speaker 2: Why wasn't Why could? Cause it's taped over there.

1424
01:06:21,280 --> 01:06:23,919
Speaker 1: Cause it's taped over there, and they have to put

1425
01:06:23,960 --> 01:06:29,000
Speaker 1: you up. So a lot of productions will cut corners,

1426
01:06:29,160 --> 01:06:32,080
Speaker 1: cut costs, do whatever they need to do. Like if

1427
01:06:32,120 --> 01:06:34,200
Speaker 1: you have your machinery and all that shit at home,

1428
01:06:35,080 --> 01:06:38,320
Speaker 1: you're better there than you are on set every day.

1429
01:06:38,200 --> 01:06:41,200
Speaker 2: So you're making the clothes and stuff get the freak

1430
01:06:41,280 --> 01:06:44,040
Speaker 2: out and your names and the titles and everything. Is

1431
01:06:44,080 --> 01:06:44,760
Speaker 2: the check worth it?

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01:06:49,640 --> 01:06:50,120
Speaker 1: I like it.

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01:06:50,200 --> 01:06:51,680
Speaker 2: You make more money from don Key John.

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01:06:52,080 --> 01:06:52,760
Speaker 1: Yeah.

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01:06:53,240 --> 01:06:56,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, it sounds like you're like, yeah, but my bread

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01:06:56,320 --> 01:06:56,960
Speaker 2: and butter is this.

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01:06:57,120 --> 01:07:00,960
Speaker 1: Yeah. I like it though. So it's like it's a

1438
01:07:01,000 --> 01:07:02,720
Speaker 1: different It's like you part of the energy of a

1439
01:07:02,840 --> 01:07:04,840
Speaker 1: a ah of a show and like a film or

1440
01:07:04,880 --> 01:07:06,840
Speaker 1: something like that. It's a different energy source than when

1441
01:07:06,840 --> 01:07:08,439
Speaker 1: I give them don Do.

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01:07:08,360 --> 01:07:11,280
Speaker 2: You get to put your clothes on them? I could,

1443
01:07:11,520 --> 01:07:12,160
Speaker 2: but you don't.

1444
01:07:12,200 --> 01:07:14,560
Speaker 1: I could, by don't like why I god like to

1445
01:07:14,880 --> 01:07:20,200
Speaker 1: the savagery. I could, but I would slip it in.

1446
01:07:20,520 --> 01:07:22,760
Speaker 1: There's a lot of bells and wisdom whistles. That's like

1447
01:07:22,760 --> 01:07:26,600
Speaker 1: a Disney the uh a Disney m Corporation thing. So

1448
01:07:26,640 --> 01:07:28,480
Speaker 1: it's not just as easy as like, yo, put the

1449
01:07:28,560 --> 01:07:31,200
Speaker 1: fucking shirt on us. Yeah, yeah, a lot of Okay,

1450
01:07:31,520 --> 01:07:32,760
Speaker 1: those are whistles and shit.

1451
01:07:32,880 --> 01:07:35,120
Speaker 2: So down the road you can. So now the writer

1452
01:07:35,200 --> 01:07:37,360
Speaker 2: strike has you on hold in regards to that lane,

1453
01:07:37,360 --> 01:07:38,800
Speaker 2: but don is holding you.

1454
01:07:38,760 --> 01:07:41,880
Speaker 1: S yeah, yeah, holding me strong, and and I the

1455
01:07:42,040 --> 01:07:44,480
Speaker 1: strike's gonna get over and I'm gonna con and I'm

1456
01:07:44,520 --> 01:07:45,920
Speaker 1: still a new booty in it. So I got a

1457
01:07:46,000 --> 01:07:48,120
Speaker 1: I got a lot to learn, but I would do

1458
01:07:48,160 --> 01:07:51,040
Speaker 1: that just to do that. I always I manifested that.

1459
01:07:51,080 --> 01:07:52,880
Speaker 1: I always wanted to do that. I used to tell

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01:07:52,880 --> 01:07:55,320
Speaker 1: my girl, like, Yo, I A always wanna I wanna

1461
01:07:55,360 --> 01:07:58,000
Speaker 1: do costume man? Yeah, yeah, And it just l T.

1462
01:07:58,960 --> 01:08:02,200
Speaker 2: Do you believe that manifestation is a part of the

1463
01:08:02,240 --> 01:08:03,120
Speaker 2: key to your success?

1464
01:08:04,360 --> 01:08:07,080
Speaker 1: Me, I'm not. I'm not even gonna lie. A couple

1465
01:08:07,080 --> 01:08:10,200
Speaker 1: of years ago, I wasn't even put on to any

1466
01:08:10,240 --> 01:08:15,280
Speaker 1: of that. I got with my lady and she put

1467
01:08:15,320 --> 01:08:18,120
Speaker 1: me on to this manifestation awareness all that shit. Even

1468
01:08:18,120 --> 01:08:19,439
Speaker 1: though I don't like the word, cause I think it's

1469
01:08:19,439 --> 01:08:22,800
Speaker 1: like a buzzword. Now everybody's like I manifest everything. But

1470
01:08:22,840 --> 01:08:25,280
Speaker 1: I do feel like when you're a good person and

1471
01:08:25,360 --> 01:08:28,680
Speaker 1: you got good energy and you speak life in to

1472
01:08:28,760 --> 01:08:32,080
Speaker 1: yourself and they call it affirmations, I didn't know what

1473
01:08:32,120 --> 01:08:34,240
Speaker 1: it was. I always talked good about myself, don't spoke

1474
01:08:34,320 --> 01:08:36,759
Speaker 1: kind words to myself and shit like that. I didn't

1475
01:08:36,800 --> 01:08:41,519
Speaker 1: know the terminology for it, but I was always doing that,

1476
01:08:41,560 --> 01:08:44,519
Speaker 1: and I feel like that's a powerful thing in anybody's success,

1477
01:08:44,880 --> 01:08:48,360
Speaker 1: and not only that, being like a avid reader in

1478
01:08:48,400 --> 01:08:51,040
Speaker 1: search of knowledge. You know what I'm saying in other

1479
01:08:51,040 --> 01:08:53,200
Speaker 1: people's stories. You learn a lot from other people. Man,

1480
01:08:53,240 --> 01:08:56,200
Speaker 1: and you and you know, just just soak it like

1481
01:08:56,240 --> 01:08:58,800
Speaker 1: a sponge, just soaking up game. Even like talking about

1482
01:08:58,880 --> 01:09:02,120
Speaker 1: jay Z, I don't got much to relate to jay

1483
01:09:02,160 --> 01:09:03,840
Speaker 1: Z and what he's doing now, but I feel like

1484
01:09:04,920 --> 01:09:07,360
Speaker 1: a lot of my confidence I got from listening to

1485
01:09:07,400 --> 01:09:10,200
Speaker 1: that man yep, And even though I'm not jay Z,

1486
01:09:11,000 --> 01:09:13,720
Speaker 1: after I take my headphones off, I felt.

1487
01:09:13,439 --> 01:09:18,679
Speaker 5: Like, yeah, yeah, like there is something like I feel

1488
01:09:18,680 --> 01:09:21,840
Speaker 5: like my most baddest self is when I'm listening to

1489
01:09:21,920 --> 01:09:23,640
Speaker 5: jay Z, even though I do cheat on jay Z

1490
01:09:23,720 --> 01:09:29,000
Speaker 5: a lot with Drake Mgmen, though it's so hard because

1491
01:09:29,080 --> 01:09:29,880
Speaker 5: Drake got that Sar.

1492
01:09:30,040 --> 01:09:32,200
Speaker 2: I never listened to a Drake singing song, just so

1493
01:09:32,240 --> 01:09:34,200
Speaker 2: you know. All whenever he puts out a record, he

1494
01:09:34,200 --> 01:09:36,240
Speaker 2: puts like the singing tracks on, I.

1495
01:09:36,280 --> 01:09:38,880
Speaker 1: Completely ignore it in the garbage. Fuck it.

1496
01:09:38,960 --> 01:09:43,200
Speaker 2: I hate when Drake sings, like, I absolutely hate it.

1497
01:09:43,240 --> 01:09:46,479
Speaker 2: I'm like, bro, stick to wrap your amazing, amazing, but

1498
01:09:46,600 --> 01:09:49,479
Speaker 2: that singing It's like, dude, I don't even know who

1499
01:09:49,520 --> 01:09:52,040
Speaker 2: you are. Did you listen to the last ten records.

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01:09:53,360 --> 01:09:54,599
Speaker 2: The fuck is this, dude?

1501
01:09:54,760 --> 01:09:56,839
Speaker 1: I feel the same exact ways to tell my manager,

1502
01:09:56,920 --> 01:09:58,599
Speaker 1: Like whenever he did that double disc, I'm like, throw

1503
01:09:58,640 --> 01:10:02,719
Speaker 1: that Honeymoon out the window. I don't want. I don't want.

1504
01:10:02,560 --> 01:10:06,280
Speaker 2: That time he puts out like some kind of singing,

1505
01:10:06,439 --> 01:10:10,880
Speaker 2: I'm like, yo, me too, I feel because it's like

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01:10:10,960 --> 01:10:13,960
Speaker 2: two different people. It's like, Yo, Drake, you had all

1507
01:10:14,080 --> 01:10:18,760
Speaker 2: this this confidence and swagger, and then you go to

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01:10:18,800 --> 01:10:20,360
Speaker 2: this record and you just singing. I don't even know what.

1509
01:10:20,479 --> 01:10:23,360
Speaker 2: I don't even listen. It's just it's so polar opposite

1510
01:10:23,400 --> 01:10:24,080
Speaker 2: of who he is.

1511
01:10:24,439 --> 01:10:27,559
Speaker 1: The same way. But it's funny though, because I do

1512
01:10:27,680 --> 01:10:31,120
Speaker 1: not have the same affinity for Drake. Like whenever I

1513
01:10:31,240 --> 01:10:33,320
Speaker 1: listen to Drake take it out my headphones, I don't

1514
01:10:33,360 --> 01:10:37,120
Speaker 1: feel like Drake, you know, because some of it.

1515
01:10:38,600 --> 01:10:41,519
Speaker 2: I play energy and I'd be like, okay.

1516
01:10:41,840 --> 01:10:43,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like he just went off on a verse.

1517
01:10:43,960 --> 01:10:45,760
Speaker 1: But I'm really telling you, when I used to listen

1518
01:10:45,760 --> 01:10:47,200
Speaker 1: to Whole, I used to feel.

1519
01:10:46,920 --> 01:10:51,040
Speaker 2: Like that, and I feel like he just got me

1520
01:10:51,080 --> 01:10:55,920
Speaker 2: through so many difficult conversations. I mean, I mean different

1521
01:10:56,120 --> 01:11:00,439
Speaker 2: difficult life experiences, you know, Like he's just I don't know.

1522
01:11:00,720 --> 01:11:06,160
Speaker 2: But enough about Jay, So Knox, is there anything that

1523
01:11:06,200 --> 01:11:09,080
Speaker 2: your fans don't know about you that you could share

1524
01:11:09,120 --> 01:11:12,920
Speaker 2: with us on this show that would be kind of interesting?

1525
01:11:15,439 --> 01:11:19,880
Speaker 2: I know we don't talk about your music. Are you

1526
01:11:19,960 --> 01:11:21,000
Speaker 2: pausing music or.

1527
01:11:21,240 --> 01:11:25,160
Speaker 1: Oh no, I'm about to I'm about to drop something real, real, fancy.

1528
01:11:25,280 --> 01:11:29,240
Speaker 1: I actually went to Paris for like thirty days and

1529
01:11:30,120 --> 01:11:34,320
Speaker 1: kind of got my got inspired. I guess you would say,

1530
01:11:34,360 --> 01:11:37,400
Speaker 1: like reinspired. So I'm definitely definitely.

1531
01:11:37,120 --> 01:11:38,360
Speaker 2: Paris for thirty days.

1532
01:11:38,640 --> 01:11:38,880
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1533
01:11:38,960 --> 01:11:41,360
Speaker 2: I saw a video online that said Paris wasn't as

1534
01:11:41,400 --> 01:11:42,360
Speaker 2: pretty as everybody.

1535
01:11:42,640 --> 01:11:44,559
Speaker 1: I don't know where he was staying. You can't cheap

1536
01:11:44,560 --> 01:11:45,480
Speaker 1: out Paris.

1537
01:11:45,120 --> 01:11:47,400
Speaker 2: Man, Oh for real? Okay, because some guy was like,

1538
01:11:47,439 --> 01:11:49,519
Speaker 2: I don't know what they talking about parents, look at all.

1539
01:11:49,360 --> 01:11:51,880
Speaker 1: The hood and can't go to Paris on spirit living

1540
01:11:51,880 --> 01:11:52,520
Speaker 1: in hostels?

1541
01:11:52,560 --> 01:11:53,720
Speaker 2: And okay, got it?

1542
01:11:53,800 --> 01:11:54,439
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.

1543
01:11:54,880 --> 01:11:56,879
Speaker 2: So were you balling out of control in Paris?

1544
01:11:57,000 --> 01:11:59,880
Speaker 1: Not too crazy? But you can't go to Paris looking

1545
01:11:59,920 --> 01:12:00,639
Speaker 1: for Vegas?

1546
01:12:01,040 --> 01:12:02,240
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, okay, got it.

1547
01:12:02,240 --> 01:12:04,000
Speaker 1: You can't go to Paris looking for Miami. You can't

1548
01:12:04,000 --> 01:12:04,360
Speaker 1: go to Paris.

1549
01:12:04,400 --> 01:12:05,840
Speaker 2: Look, I'm gonna send you that video if I ever

1550
01:12:05,840 --> 01:12:06,200
Speaker 2: see it.

1551
01:12:06,840 --> 01:12:08,040
Speaker 1: I know the video. I've seen it.

1552
01:12:08,120 --> 01:12:10,000
Speaker 2: It was terrible. I was like, damn, but.

1553
01:12:10,760 --> 01:12:14,080
Speaker 1: It's like I'm staying by like the Champs Elis and

1554
01:12:14,240 --> 01:12:17,200
Speaker 1: the arts they triumph for. It's like where it's like cool.

1555
01:12:17,680 --> 01:12:20,120
Speaker 1: If you staying in the that's like going to La

1556
01:12:20,200 --> 01:12:21,360
Speaker 1: but you stay in downtown.

1557
01:12:21,520 --> 01:12:22,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's facts.

1558
01:12:22,760 --> 01:12:24,040
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, you know what I'm saying.

1559
01:12:24,080 --> 01:12:26,000
Speaker 2: So where you were at it was nice. You wouldn't

1560
01:12:26,000 --> 01:12:27,479
Speaker 2: put out your video on saying.

1561
01:12:27,479 --> 01:12:30,840
Speaker 1: You're in the heart of Paris. But go to the

1562
01:12:30,880 --> 01:12:32,920
Speaker 1: heart of any city, man, it's shitty. Yeah.

1563
01:12:33,000 --> 01:12:35,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. Every city has its ups and down.

1564
01:12:35,320 --> 01:12:36,000
Speaker 1: Every city got there.

1565
01:12:36,120 --> 01:12:38,320
Speaker 2: He made like it was just this wild.

1566
01:12:38,720 --> 01:12:39,840
Speaker 1: Some was wild. The food.

1567
01:12:39,880 --> 01:12:41,400
Speaker 2: Why didn't you You should put out your.

1568
01:12:41,520 --> 01:12:43,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, the food is banging. He's wild.

1569
01:12:43,479 --> 01:12:45,080
Speaker 2: He was just in the food too. Yeah.

1570
01:12:45,200 --> 01:12:47,320
Speaker 1: I've reposted it and a lot of people agree with me.

1571
01:12:47,479 --> 01:12:50,320
Speaker 1: Now they were like, oh, but there's no black shit

1572
01:12:50,400 --> 01:12:52,679
Speaker 1: to do. Check it out, yo, go on the internet.

1573
01:12:52,840 --> 01:12:54,640
Speaker 1: There's a lot of shit for black people to do

1574
01:12:54,680 --> 01:12:57,040
Speaker 1: in Paris. You can google it, you can get on Instagram,

1575
01:12:57,080 --> 01:12:58,920
Speaker 1: you can go on certain pages. It's just for black

1576
01:12:58,920 --> 01:13:02,839
Speaker 1: people in Paris. Man, you gotta do some some research,

1577
01:13:02,880 --> 01:13:04,719
Speaker 1: and you can't go to one place looking for another

1578
01:13:04,760 --> 01:13:07,599
Speaker 1: type of turn up. I had a fabulous time in Paris.

1579
01:13:07,880 --> 01:13:12,960
Speaker 2: Well thirty days, got lee, I've never been. I gotta go.

1580
01:13:13,040 --> 01:13:13,880
Speaker 2: I gotta travel more.

1581
01:13:13,960 --> 01:13:14,519
Speaker 1: You gotta go.

1582
01:13:14,600 --> 01:13:15,160
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go.

1583
01:13:15,280 --> 01:13:17,479
Speaker 1: Don't listen to that guy well Ship.

1584
01:13:17,560 --> 01:13:22,080
Speaker 2: I saw that video. I said, say less, say less.

1585
01:13:21,280 --> 01:13:23,400
Speaker 1: Say less, scratching it off my bucket list.

1586
01:13:23,439 --> 01:13:25,679
Speaker 2: It was never on my bucket list, like I want

1587
01:13:25,680 --> 01:13:30,000
Speaker 2: to go to Jamaica stuff like that. But you know,

1588
01:13:30,760 --> 01:13:32,640
Speaker 2: to be honest, I have a two year old, so

1589
01:13:32,840 --> 01:13:35,000
Speaker 2: I'm all about all the kids ship right now. A

1590
01:13:35,040 --> 01:13:37,000
Speaker 2: ten year old gave me a dope ass compliment the

1591
01:13:37,080 --> 01:13:39,519
Speaker 2: other day and I felt like a fucking superstar. She

1592
01:13:39,640 --> 01:13:42,960
Speaker 2: was like, you're your daughters so lucky. You're such a

1593
01:13:43,000 --> 01:13:45,240
Speaker 2: cool mom. You know all the fun stuff to do.

1594
01:13:45,280 --> 01:13:49,000
Speaker 2: And I said, shit, let me call all my girlfriends

1595
01:13:49,040 --> 01:13:50,840
Speaker 2: tell him about this compliment.

1596
01:13:51,120 --> 01:13:51,280
Speaker 1: Yea.

1597
01:13:52,160 --> 01:13:54,400
Speaker 2: I called all my friends, was like, you never guess

1598
01:13:54,439 --> 01:14:02,839
Speaker 2: what happened to me. They were like, you got a man, No.

1599
01:13:59,640 --> 01:14:02,439
Speaker 3: No, But this ten year old at the playground while

1600
01:14:02,479 --> 01:14:04,439
Speaker 3: I was pushing the Ryde some swings told me I

1601
01:14:04,479 --> 01:14:06,439
Speaker 3: was a cool mom because I knew all the cool shit.

1602
01:14:06,840 --> 01:14:09,240
Speaker 2: So I loog up every week like cool stuff for

1603
01:14:09,479 --> 01:14:12,880
Speaker 2: like toddlers to do cool experiences, and literally, like all

1604
01:14:12,920 --> 01:14:15,720
Speaker 2: week long, I'm like looking for cool shit. And it's

1605
01:14:15,760 --> 01:14:18,559
Speaker 2: like basically I get I pay for me and she

1606
01:14:18,640 --> 01:14:21,200
Speaker 2: gets in for free. So it's even more dope because

1607
01:14:21,560 --> 01:14:23,720
Speaker 2: she's just like my tag along or whatever. But we

1608
01:14:23,800 --> 01:14:25,800
Speaker 2: do cool ass experience. I'm like a kid again.

1609
01:14:26,880 --> 01:14:28,479
Speaker 1: You gotta let them absorb and you can.

1610
01:14:28,520 --> 01:14:30,439
Speaker 2: Look at and I'll be honest, I've never been into

1611
01:14:30,439 --> 01:14:33,640
Speaker 2: the club never, never, once, Like you've probably seen me

1612
01:14:33,680 --> 01:14:35,920
Speaker 2: in the club like twice my whole life. So like

1613
01:14:36,080 --> 01:14:39,960
Speaker 2: I feel like I'm more suited for the kid experiences.

1614
01:14:40,280 --> 01:14:42,599
Speaker 2: So I have a fucking blast, and I don't pull

1615
01:14:42,600 --> 01:14:44,479
Speaker 2: out my phone and tape and like spread it with

1616
01:14:44,520 --> 01:14:47,360
Speaker 2: the world. I literally am just like present present and

1617
01:14:47,400 --> 01:14:48,320
Speaker 2: I fucking enjoy it.

1618
01:14:48,400 --> 01:14:52,479
Speaker 1: That's a vibe people don't know about me.

1619
01:14:53,240 --> 01:14:53,600
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1620
01:14:53,640 --> 01:14:57,320
Speaker 1: I'm pretty I'm pretty vulnerable. I'm pretty open. I got

1621
01:14:57,360 --> 01:14:59,960
Speaker 1: a this might be something I stopped smoking with.

1622
01:15:00,880 --> 01:15:05,080
Speaker 2: Well, I saw you smoking this, like was it e cigarette? Yeah,

1623
01:15:05,160 --> 01:15:07,360
Speaker 2: so he smoked cigarettes because I heard it in your thing.

1624
01:15:07,400 --> 01:15:09,000
Speaker 2: You were like, I pick up the cigarettes and.

1625
01:15:08,960 --> 01:15:13,080
Speaker 1: I at that time when I was super super fucking down,

1626
01:15:13,320 --> 01:15:15,960
Speaker 1: Yeah I did, I was, but not.

1627
01:15:16,200 --> 01:15:18,040
Speaker 2: She never decided maybe quitting was the option.

1628
01:15:18,240 --> 01:15:20,559
Speaker 1: Not like nah, But I was never a pack buyer,

1629
01:15:20,640 --> 01:15:22,960
Speaker 1: Like it's it's crazy to say. I was always like that,

1630
01:15:23,040 --> 01:15:24,640
Speaker 1: can you bust me? Can you ace me? Can you

1631
01:15:24,680 --> 01:15:27,080
Speaker 1: trace me on? Like my man cigarette? Like, bust me,

1632
01:15:27,160 --> 01:15:30,720
Speaker 1: give me half of that. I never wanted to buy

1633
01:15:30,760 --> 01:15:32,639
Speaker 1: a package. I'm not like, I'm not a cigarette buyer.

1634
01:15:32,640 --> 01:15:35,240
Speaker 1: You can ask my manager. It's crazy, but this nigga

1635
01:15:35,320 --> 01:15:35,720
Speaker 1: never seen me.

1636
01:15:36,520 --> 01:15:39,680
Speaker 2: He e cigarette. Though, I'm gonna get on you by

1637
01:15:39,800 --> 01:15:44,160
Speaker 2: about this. By the way, some shake it.

1638
01:15:44,720 --> 01:15:45,440
Speaker 1: I'm addicted.

1639
01:15:45,760 --> 01:15:46,519
Speaker 2: You're addicted to it.

1640
01:15:46,560 --> 01:15:49,000
Speaker 1: I'm now I'm addicted to the act of smoking. Like

1641
01:15:49,040 --> 01:15:50,200
Speaker 1: if I was addicted to it, I would have had

1642
01:15:50,200 --> 01:15:50,680
Speaker 1: to hit it right now.

1643
01:15:50,920 --> 01:15:53,200
Speaker 2: Why don't you just get candy cigarettes? And just they

1644
01:15:53,240 --> 01:15:54,479
Speaker 2: don't even sell candy cigarette?

1645
01:15:54,520 --> 01:15:56,639
Speaker 1: You know what. I'm waiting on my other things to come.

1646
01:15:56,680 --> 01:15:59,360
Speaker 1: I usually have this thing that's made out of Switzerland.

1647
01:15:59,439 --> 01:16:01,880
Speaker 1: Though all of this it's just like natural herbs you

1648
01:16:01,880 --> 01:16:04,679
Speaker 1: could smoke, you could vape like cammameal and ostragonda and shit.

1649
01:16:04,720 --> 01:16:05,360
Speaker 1: But I ran out.

1650
01:16:05,439 --> 01:16:08,280
Speaker 2: But you're just you're you're I thought you're addicted to

1651
01:16:08,280 --> 01:16:11,040
Speaker 2: the movement. You're you're actually addicted to the inhill or the.

1652
01:16:11,000 --> 01:16:14,040
Speaker 1: Smoking, the mouth and the Really, it's the thing. A

1653
01:16:14,040 --> 01:16:17,280
Speaker 1: lot a lot of people are. Really it's a fucking thing. Okay.

1654
01:16:17,800 --> 01:16:19,840
Speaker 1: You think everybody who smokes all the time, it smokes,

1655
01:16:19,960 --> 01:16:23,840
Speaker 1: he wants to get high. I'm addicted to the act.

1656
01:16:24,320 --> 01:16:30,400
Speaker 1: It's the act. It's the Oh okay, it's the act

1657
01:16:30,439 --> 01:16:30,840
Speaker 1: of it.

1658
01:16:30,840 --> 01:16:34,000
Speaker 2: It's not like pretending to act. It's like the Actually, it's.

1659
01:16:33,880 --> 01:16:36,040
Speaker 1: The actual act of of the rich.

1660
01:16:36,240 --> 01:16:39,320
Speaker 2: Get your herbal smokes so I don't have to talk

1661
01:16:39,400 --> 01:16:40,839
Speaker 2: stuff about your e cigarette.

1662
01:16:40,920 --> 01:16:43,120
Speaker 1: Yeah that's a fact. And I wish I could remember

1663
01:16:43,160 --> 01:16:46,040
Speaker 1: the name of this company, but I gotta send to

1664
01:16:46,040 --> 01:16:48,120
Speaker 1: New York while I'm going because I love that way more.

1665
01:16:48,760 --> 01:16:52,080
Speaker 1: They taste way better and the energy exchange is just

1666
01:16:52,120 --> 01:16:53,640
Speaker 1: way better. But I just ran out, you know what

1667
01:16:53,640 --> 01:16:55,799
Speaker 1: I mean. And they take forever to come. Okay.

1668
01:16:56,040 --> 01:16:58,439
Speaker 2: So when we were shooting, a lot of you guys

1669
01:16:58,479 --> 01:17:03,840
Speaker 2: don't know this, but uh, knocks knocks got pulled by

1670
01:17:03,880 --> 01:17:07,439
Speaker 2: the police, yeah, or something ridiculous. I like how you

1671
01:17:07,520 --> 01:17:11,280
Speaker 2: handled it. You were super chill me. I probably would

1672
01:17:11,280 --> 01:17:16,960
Speaker 2: have been way more hostile and attitude. You were really

1673
01:17:17,120 --> 01:17:19,599
Speaker 2: chilled with the cop. I think that was like really

1674
01:17:19,680 --> 01:17:23,760
Speaker 2: different and unique how you handled it, cause especially because

1675
01:17:23,760 --> 01:17:25,080
Speaker 2: the ticket was so expensive.

1676
01:17:25,240 --> 01:17:26,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would be like, what the.

1677
01:17:27,720 --> 01:17:29,920
Speaker 2: Bleep bleep bleep, you know, and I would it probably

1678
01:17:29,920 --> 01:17:31,800
Speaker 2: would have ruined my day. And I think that's kind

1679
01:17:31,840 --> 01:17:35,479
Speaker 2: of cool to see someone in a stressful situation and

1680
01:17:35,520 --> 01:17:38,559
Speaker 2: see like, that's how they handle that energy. And so

1681
01:17:38,640 --> 01:17:41,040
Speaker 2: your energy since you've got here has been really really

1682
01:17:41,160 --> 01:17:43,719
Speaker 2: nice and sweet, and I think that's something that people

1683
01:17:43,760 --> 01:17:46,679
Speaker 2: that see don Pujon and they see the brand and

1684
01:17:46,800 --> 01:17:49,320
Speaker 2: the merge. I don't think you look at that brand

1685
01:17:49,360 --> 01:17:52,719
Speaker 2: and say, okay, well knocks you look cool, you're very hip,

1686
01:17:52,840 --> 01:17:55,240
Speaker 2: But this is how she is in stressful situation. I

1687
01:17:55,240 --> 01:17:57,400
Speaker 2: think that was kind of cool. You know, it gives

1688
01:17:57,400 --> 01:18:01,440
Speaker 2: a different side of how you handle stressful, messed up situations.

1689
01:18:01,479 --> 01:18:03,519
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, don't worry, I got this. I

1690
01:18:03,520 --> 01:18:05,160
Speaker 2: thought it was mall security, so I was like, I

1691
01:18:05,200 --> 01:18:07,400
Speaker 2: got this, and I saw Purpa girl. I don't know

1692
01:18:07,479 --> 01:18:11,439
Speaker 2: what to tell you. The police are bad, he was alriting.

1693
01:18:11,479 --> 01:18:13,120
Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, I'm not gonna approach him.

1694
01:18:13,280 --> 01:18:16,080
Speaker 1: He went right. He was like, I'm gonna you're getting

1695
01:18:16,080 --> 01:18:17,719
Speaker 1: a ticket and I'm taking the sticker.

1696
01:18:17,760 --> 01:18:22,400
Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, yeah that I saw how serious he was.

1697
01:18:22,520 --> 01:18:25,240
Speaker 2: And you know, if I hear the blue sound, I'm

1698
01:18:25,280 --> 01:18:26,439
Speaker 2: already about to hit the day.

1699
01:18:26,520 --> 01:18:29,840
Speaker 1: He's like yeah, but I'm like, come on, man, but

1700
01:18:30,479 --> 01:18:34,120
Speaker 1: you know, people, he's having a bad day and I'm not.

1701
01:18:35,560 --> 01:18:37,200
Speaker 2: So that's how you looked at it? Is that why

1702
01:18:37,280 --> 01:18:38,280
Speaker 2: you were so calm?

1703
01:18:38,360 --> 01:18:40,519
Speaker 1: You think I looked at but it honestly, I looked

1704
01:18:40,520 --> 01:18:42,120
Speaker 1: about it as a blessing because I was like, your

1705
01:18:42,240 --> 01:18:44,240
Speaker 1: father stopped down the road or something. It could have been,

1706
01:18:44,560 --> 01:18:46,880
Speaker 1: could have been worse. At least I'm parked. You can't

1707
01:18:46,880 --> 01:18:48,680
Speaker 1: ask me for my l was and my ID. We're

1708
01:18:48,680 --> 01:18:50,960
Speaker 1: not doing all that shit, oh I'm saying. So I

1709
01:18:51,000 --> 01:18:54,280
Speaker 1: was like, okay, better better than not better here parked

1710
01:18:54,360 --> 01:18:57,559
Speaker 1: than any other situation or some more bullshit where he

1711
01:18:57,560 --> 01:18:59,839
Speaker 1: could have got messy and stupid. I'm on the sideline

1712
01:19:00,240 --> 01:19:00,799
Speaker 1: all crazy.

1713
01:19:01,520 --> 01:19:04,160
Speaker 2: Let me tell you, In California, there's so many ways

1714
01:19:04,200 --> 01:19:06,800
Speaker 2: to get pulled over. But I've driven in California so

1715
01:19:06,800 --> 01:19:11,200
Speaker 2: many years with a suspended license with bad tags. Just

1716
01:19:11,240 --> 01:19:13,840
Speaker 2: looking over my shoulder. I've learned the secret to driving

1717
01:19:13,880 --> 01:19:17,439
Speaker 2: in LA is driving expensive cars. You drive an expensive car,

1718
01:19:17,479 --> 01:19:18,760
Speaker 2: you're less likely to get pulled over.

1719
01:19:19,439 --> 01:19:19,839
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1720
01:19:20,320 --> 01:19:24,240
Speaker 2: When you drive a hootie, man, you ain't gonna make

1721
01:19:24,280 --> 01:19:28,160
Speaker 2: it three blocks. Yeah, they gonna they gonna find something.

1722
01:19:28,439 --> 01:19:33,280
Speaker 2: Whenever I drove a hootie, I switched up police. I

1723
01:19:33,400 --> 01:19:34,519
Speaker 2: got'ta never fuck with me.

1724
01:19:35,040 --> 01:19:37,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't really get fucked with either. Until this

1725
01:19:37,080 --> 01:19:38,320
Speaker 1: dude wanted to fuck me today.

1726
01:19:38,560 --> 01:19:40,599
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well you could tell he was looking for something

1727
01:19:40,600 --> 01:19:42,679
Speaker 2: because he was parked.

1728
01:19:42,880 --> 01:19:45,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, he would you ever get parked? He looked at me,

1729
01:19:45,360 --> 01:19:47,840
Speaker 1: he followed me, parked behind me. I said, Yo, this

1730
01:19:47,920 --> 01:19:50,800
Speaker 1: man about the hop and you know what I should

1731
01:19:50,840 --> 01:19:52,519
Speaker 1: have done. I should have just hopped out the car.

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01:19:52,880 --> 01:19:53,600
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1733
01:19:54,080 --> 01:19:55,760
Speaker 1: No, no, I.

1734
01:19:55,720 --> 01:19:57,439
Speaker 2: Think he would have sucked with you more. One time

1735
01:19:57,560 --> 01:20:00,720
Speaker 2: I got pulled over and the told me to get

1736
01:20:00,760 --> 01:20:02,680
Speaker 2: out the car. Remember this story for the rest of

1737
01:20:02,680 --> 01:20:05,760
Speaker 2: your life. And now he was like, uh, yeah, I

1738
01:20:05,800 --> 01:20:07,320
Speaker 2: just need you to get out the car and sign

1739
01:20:07,400 --> 01:20:11,320
Speaker 2: this ticket. True story. My friend behind the screen notes

1740
01:20:11,360 --> 01:20:15,320
Speaker 2: because she got the phone call. But uh, he's like,

1741
01:20:15,320 --> 01:20:16,960
Speaker 2: get out the car, sign the ticket. I get out

1742
01:20:17,000 --> 01:20:18,960
Speaker 2: and he's like, now put your hands behind your back.

1743
01:20:19,000 --> 01:20:21,920
Speaker 2: I'm like, what is this? MTV punped, like, what the

1744
01:20:21,920 --> 01:20:23,559
Speaker 2: fuck is going on? He's like, you're under arrest.

1745
01:20:23,640 --> 01:20:26,760
Speaker 1: I'm like, for what see that that would have been

1746
01:20:26,840 --> 01:20:27,679
Speaker 1: a little bit more.

1747
01:20:28,040 --> 01:20:30,920
Speaker 2: I'm not bro I went to jail for like twenty

1748
01:20:30,960 --> 01:20:33,519
Speaker 2: four hours, and I didn't know why I was in there.

1749
01:20:34,000 --> 01:20:36,280
Speaker 2: But let me tell you something. I learned a lot

1750
01:20:36,280 --> 01:20:39,920
Speaker 2: about prostitution and pimping in jail I never will ever

1751
01:20:40,040 --> 01:20:43,360
Speaker 2: use in real life. And it was a horrifying experience.

1752
01:20:43,439 --> 01:20:46,519
Speaker 2: And I said, moving forward, I will never miss paying

1753
01:20:46,520 --> 01:20:48,240
Speaker 2: a ticket or anything, because when I was there, I'd

1754
01:20:48,280 --> 01:20:50,320
Speaker 2: be like, oh, let these tickets rack up. They could

1755
01:20:50,520 --> 01:20:52,679
Speaker 2: give me time served. What's three days in jail?

1756
01:20:53,000 --> 01:20:53,200
Speaker 1: Shit?

1757
01:20:53,360 --> 01:20:58,400
Speaker 2: R There is nothing more painful in life than prison.

1758
01:20:59,160 --> 01:21:00,720
Speaker 2: And I only went for one day and I was like,

1759
01:21:00,800 --> 01:21:02,880
Speaker 2: I'll never I'll never do anything to in the back here.

1760
01:21:02,960 --> 01:21:05,559
Speaker 2: And then I got out and they said there was nothing.

1761
01:21:05,720 --> 01:21:08,920
Speaker 2: So I just had time served for nothing, and I

1762
01:21:08,960 --> 01:21:12,200
Speaker 2: called my girl Mackenzie. Her and her daughter picked me up,

1763
01:21:12,320 --> 01:21:14,519
Speaker 2: and her daughter asked me a series of questions like

1764
01:21:14,600 --> 01:21:18,280
Speaker 2: she was an adult. But but all I know is

1765
01:21:18,320 --> 01:21:20,880
Speaker 2: that that was the last time I'll ever go to jail,

1766
01:21:21,000 --> 01:21:23,800
Speaker 2: god willing, and I don't fuck with the police now,

1767
01:21:23,840 --> 01:21:26,400
Speaker 2: it's crazy. Try if they ever take you, get out

1768
01:21:26,439 --> 01:21:29,599
Speaker 2: inside the ticket. Just no, it's not good.

1769
01:21:29,640 --> 01:21:30,320
Speaker 1: I'm not doing that.

1770
01:21:30,760 --> 01:21:33,679
Speaker 2: Don't ever get out the car in the car, sir.

1771
01:21:34,080 --> 01:21:36,080
Speaker 1: I'd rather let You're gonna have to do what you

1772
01:21:36,080 --> 01:21:39,280
Speaker 1: gotta do. Like I'm not. I'm not doing I'm not

1773
01:21:39,320 --> 01:21:41,960
Speaker 1: giving you my idea and all that ship. I just don't.

1774
01:21:42,280 --> 01:21:46,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, ego, my little brother, we're all running with him,

1775
01:21:46,760 --> 01:21:50,040
Speaker 2: and he jumped the termstile with us, and my dad

1776
01:21:50,120 --> 01:21:52,840
Speaker 2: was with him, and luckily this white man is gonna

1777
01:21:52,960 --> 01:21:55,959
Speaker 2: argued my brother out of this ticket. But my goodness,

1778
01:21:56,000 --> 01:22:01,479
Speaker 2: it was. It was hilarious for that. But thank you

1779
01:22:01,520 --> 01:22:03,720
Speaker 2: so much for coming on our show and sharing your

1780
01:22:03,760 --> 01:22:07,320
Speaker 2: truth with Don Pujan and uh. And I'm definitely gonna

1781
01:22:07,360 --> 01:22:11,040
Speaker 2: cop them boots when I get a chance. And I

1782
01:22:11,040 --> 01:22:14,439
Speaker 2: am a true, you know, true appreciation for you taking

1783
01:22:14,479 --> 01:22:16,920
Speaker 2: out your time to come, of course cook for me.

1784
01:22:17,360 --> 01:22:20,360
Speaker 1: Yeah you know you got you got the first cookieiano

1785
01:22:20,439 --> 01:22:23,000
Speaker 1: with my whole career right now, my whole real adult career.

1786
01:22:23,040 --> 01:22:26,240
Speaker 1: That's my first time cooking in my thirties. And I'm

1787
01:22:26,280 --> 01:22:29,080
Speaker 1: not bullshit. I have put some things in the air fryer.

1788
01:22:29,200 --> 01:22:30,519
Speaker 1: You feel me, but I don't.

1789
01:22:30,800 --> 01:22:32,719
Speaker 2: I don't like pre frozen things in the air fire.

1790
01:22:33,040 --> 01:22:33,479
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1791
01:22:33,600 --> 01:22:37,040
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you're terrible. Yeah, you're terrible.

1792
01:22:37,080 --> 01:22:37,400
Speaker 1: I'm not.

1793
01:22:37,640 --> 01:22:39,559
Speaker 2: I'm gonna enjoy the rest of this French host y'all.

1794
01:22:40,000 --> 01:22:42,000
Speaker 1: I don't don't do it, but it's you're good.

1795
01:22:42,320 --> 01:22:43,560
Speaker 2: You're good at cooking.

1796
01:22:45,439 --> 01:22:47,920
Speaker 1: Okay, but thank you for having me. Thank you to

1797
01:22:47,960 --> 01:22:49,519
Speaker 1: the listeners, all the people in the back of the

1798
01:22:49,520 --> 01:22:52,160
Speaker 1: whole team, the whole squad. I'm definitely help you get

1799
01:22:52,200 --> 01:22:54,080
Speaker 1: these boots. And I'm gonna get that book, that Trevor

1800
01:22:54,120 --> 01:22:55,360
Speaker 1: No book. I'm gonna read that.

1801
01:22:55,280 --> 01:22:58,320
Speaker 2: And text me tell me what you think. I'm gonna

1802
01:22:58,320 --> 01:22:58,719
Speaker 2: be looking.

1803
01:22:58,960 --> 01:23:00,960
Speaker 1: And I like this podcast. I like everything y'all got

1804
01:23:00,960 --> 01:23:01,360
Speaker 1: going on.

1805
01:23:01,479 --> 01:23:03,080
Speaker 2: Thank you, Thank you for cooking with us.

1806
01:23:03,120 --> 01:23:03,280
Speaker 1: Man.

1807
01:23:03,320 --> 01:23:27,680
Speaker 2: I appreciate it. I do all right, y'all. Peace for

1808
01:23:27,760 --> 01:23:30,799
Speaker 2: more eating While broke from iHeartRadio and The Black Effect,

1809
01:23:31,000 --> 01:23:34,599
Speaker 2: visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen

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Speaker 2: to your favorite shows.