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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace Well happening now. Several law

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Speaker 1: fifteen year old a Domina Spell of port Berry was

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Speaker 1: Now police believe she is with this man, forty seven

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Speaker 1: year old Corey Shane Disottel, also of port Berry. Multiple agencies,

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Speaker 1: Authorities believe they may be traveling in a silver two

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Speaker 1: friends and classmates of Domina to come forward with any

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Speaker 1: information or tips, no matter how significant they may or

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Speaker 1: may not seem. I Meancy Grace, this is crime Stories.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. Those are our friends

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Speaker 1: at k l f YTV. A little Louisiana girl goes

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Speaker 1: together again. First to Rob Molinski, Crime online dot Com

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Speaker 1: investigative report, tell me about the disappearance of Domiana's spell.

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Speaker 1: How did it happen? Well, Nancy, she gets on the

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Speaker 1: strange man's car. And this area of Louisiana, I just

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Speaker 1: I'm taking a close look at this little girl and

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Speaker 1: want to go to John Cardillo, former NYPD special guests

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Speaker 1: joining us today along with Ashley Wilcott, Kathleen Murphy, and

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Speaker 1: Center for Missing Exploited Children. Very close to my heart. John,

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Speaker 1: Over one third of child abductions take place at a

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Speaker 1: A lot to do with school buses and school routes

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Speaker 1: of child abductions take place in and around school bus stops.

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Speaker 1: John Yeah, they did well. It's an opportunistic environment, right,

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Speaker 1: that's an opportunistic scene. Let me also say a few

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Speaker 1: A is right. It's an opportunistic crime. And even though

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Speaker 1: crime of opportunity, kids getting on and off of school buses.

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Speaker 1: Willinski Crime online dot Com investigative reporter, author of Beautiful Life.

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Speaker 1: See a side behind the case he Anthony Trial. Find

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Speaker 1: it on Amazon. Robert Willinski, tell me what we know

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Speaker 1: about this guy, Corey Shane Disstel relationship? Why is he

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Speaker 1: the whole point, right, But he has no prior criminal history,

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Speaker 1: does he? Robin Mallinski, he does not have a criminal history,

427
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Speaker 1: but he's a shady character. Can't hey his bills, can't

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Speaker 1: manage it? Now? White a minute, White, a minute at

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Speaker 1: Robin before he come down up people too hard about

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Speaker 1: not managing their money. I can remember being so broke.

431
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:06,720
Speaker 1: I had two night jobs. I would actually, this is

432
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Speaker 1: before you could log on from your phone and find out.

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Speaker 1: I'd have to drive by the bank, through the drive through,

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Speaker 1: find out what my balance is before I could write

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Speaker 1: a check. Okay, sometimes I'm sorry to say I may

436
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Speaker 1: have written a check anyway. I remember writing a check

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Speaker 1: for a dollar and eighty nine cents to S and

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Speaker 1: S Cafeteria. I was so hungry the check because I

439
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Speaker 1: did not have a dollar and eighty nine cents. Okay.

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Speaker 1: So I hate to come down on him too hard

441
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Speaker 1: about but I will tell you this so far, knock

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Speaker 1: on wood, I haven't taken with the irs. That is

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Speaker 1: a problem. But with no criminal record, I wonder you

444
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Speaker 1: know what else I've learned from looking online Kathleen Murphy,

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Speaker 1: divorce lawyer. He was still with his wife. It looks

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Speaker 1: like up until sometime in twenty eighteen, all right at

447
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Speaker 1: the begin getting a twenty eighteen and you wonder did

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00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:05,520
Speaker 1: It's not as if they had been broken up for

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Speaker 1: a long time. I wonder if he broke up with

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Speaker 1: her exactly, or cause had problems with her because of

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00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:16,560
Speaker 1: his fixation on this little girl. Well, if she knew

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Speaker 1: that he had a fixation on this little girl. Um,

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Speaker 1: I wonder what the dynamics are or were with the family.

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Speaker 1: Did she know did she talk to the family. Another

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Speaker 1: issue we have here, even though this guy does not

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Speaker 1: have a criminal record, is how he was trapped, explained

457
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Speaker 1: John Cardillo, former NYPD. Why he would get her a

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Speaker 1: burner phone? What is a burner phone and how has

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Speaker 1: it used? Burner phone is the phone you can buy

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Speaker 1: a typically a big box reteller, a cell phone store.

461
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:54,960
Speaker 1: It's untraceable, you pay, you pay cash for it, typically

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Speaker 1: prepay it. And her parents wouldn't know she had it.

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Speaker 1: Law enforcement wouldn't even know she had it if he

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Speaker 1: bought the phone in his name or another adults name.

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Speaker 1: And so it's it's a common tactic as I believe

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Speaker 1: it was. The judge said, of when it when it's

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Speaker 1: sexual predator, and I'm glad we're calling this guy a

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Speaker 1: predator because that's the only thing he is. Let me

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Speaker 1: also add that I don't think this is the first

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Speaker 1: time he's done this for the simple reason that when

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Speaker 1: police were initially called because the child was involved, and

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Speaker 1: you know this, Nancy, they're going to conduct an investigation.

473
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Speaker 1: There's certainly going to speak to the kid. The Domiana.

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Speaker 1: He had this kid so under his thumb. She didn't

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Speaker 1: give him up. It's pretty you know, non typical for

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Speaker 1: a fifteen year old to resist telling the police the truth.

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00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:41,720
Speaker 1: And so this guy had the kid under his thumb.

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Speaker 1: So he gets to the burner phone. He's able to

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Speaker 1: call her on that burner phone. She hides it from

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Speaker 1: her parents. The grooming continues to such a degree that

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Speaker 1: she eventually gets in a vehicle with this guy. And

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Speaker 1: she had no ability to consent. The age of consent

483
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Speaker 1: right in Louisiana's seventeen. This is a felony. She was

484
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Speaker 1: between the teen in sixteen. He's four years older than her.

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Speaker 1: He's over seventeen and four years older. So nothing she

486
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Speaker 1: did well you know, he mitigates anything he did. This

487
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:11,760
Speaker 1: guy is a is the worst kind of felon. But

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Speaker 1: I do believe he's done this before, and I would

489
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Speaker 1: imagine that investigators are going to be looking very deeply

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Speaker 1: into that. And the burner phone is indicative of that.

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00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 1: He knew how to groom and he knew exactly what

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Speaker 1: tools he needed to maintain that and to really put

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Speaker 1: this kid under his control. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Overnight,

494
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:47,400
Speaker 1: the FBI and Louisiana Police on a man hunt trying

495
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Speaker 1: to track down fifteen year old Domienna Spell and the

496
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Speaker 1: forty seven year old authorities believed took off with the

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Speaker 1: girl more than six days ago, just to been missin

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Speaker 1: since seven Thursday mornings. To that from the school and

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Speaker 1: we already knew left with authorities believe Corey Dizeltel, a

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Speaker 1: family friend, gained the trust of her parents by allegedly

501
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:09,080
Speaker 1: asking the girl to babysit for his granddaughter that ruse

502
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Speaker 1: used as a cover up for their less relationship. Come

503
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:14,840
Speaker 1: to find out, there was no granddaughter there for her

504
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Speaker 1: to really be babysitting. They had that little secret relationship going,

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Speaker 1: according to police, Her parents reached out to authorities a

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Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago with concern over a suspicious relationship

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Speaker 1: between their daughter and the suspect, claiming Disoltel sent numerous

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Speaker 1: texts to their daughter, he told her that he loved

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Speaker 1: her and stuff like that. Her desperate family going door

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Speaker 1: to door, spreading flyers all around her neighborhood in an

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Speaker 1: attempt to find her. I feel that she's safe her home,

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00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 1: you know, than being with him. I mean, she does

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Speaker 1: have family that love and care about her, that misses her,

514
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Speaker 1: and we want her to know that. And authorities say

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Speaker 1: it is possible that Domiana has changed her appearance and

516
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Speaker 1: that these two could be anywhere. You're hearing her friend

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Speaker 1: Marcus Moore at ABC News your warning. The FBI joining

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Speaker 1: in the search for a Domiana Spell believed to have

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00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 1: been with Corey Shane Disotel, a forty seven year old

520
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:14,360
Speaker 1: dad and family friend. The FBI on it and then

521
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:17,880
Speaker 1: this fifteen year old Domiana Spell was missing for more

522
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Speaker 1: than a week, believed to have runoff with forty seven

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Speaker 1: year old Shane Desertel. It was a tilt from the

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Speaker 1: FBI that located the two thousands of miles away in Colorado,

525
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 1: sheriff's deputies and Archilletta County found the chew after the

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00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 1: FBI told them Destel's phone pined nearby, deputy spotted his car,

527
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Speaker 1: following him into the parking lot of a grocery store,

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Speaker 1: taking him into custody and bringing Spell to Human Services.

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Speaker 1: Desittel remains in Colorado on a warrant for contributing to

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Speaker 1: the delinquency of a juvenile and could face more charges.

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Speaker 1: As our Katie Easter reports, Spell's family is relieved. He's

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Speaker 1: behind bars. You see all the bodies are found, and

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00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 1: it just scares you, Like it terrified me to know

534
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Speaker 1: maybe that's my sister. The family of fifty year old

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Speaker 1: Dominius Spell no longer have to fear those stories. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's like a big release to know, you know that

537
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Speaker 1: this missing person that was found in like a vehicle

538
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Speaker 1: or something is not my sister. You can hear the

539
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:17,280
Speaker 1: heartbreak in the family's voices they're talking about their girl missing.

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Speaker 1: That was KATCTV anchor Kendria Lafleur talking about the pinging

541
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 1: of that cell phone to Rob Lynskey Crime online dot Com.

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00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:32,720
Speaker 1: They were all the way in Colorado. Yeah, they went

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Speaker 1: for some sort of a joy ride. I'm not even

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Speaker 1: sure he has connections to that area. You know what

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Speaker 1: I find really interesting is that along this process she

546
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 1: was told and manipulated Dancy by him to change her

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00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:49,880
Speaker 1: hair color and change the color of her eyes by

548
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 1: popping in those colored contact lenses. So I have brown eyes,

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00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:56,520
Speaker 1: I can go to the store, get some blue ones,

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00:32:56,720 --> 00:33:00,160
Speaker 1: pop them in there, dye my hair brown, go back

551
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 1: to my original color, and then I look like a

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Speaker 1: different person, which is what he wanted her to do.

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00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 1: And it gets worse and worse, Ashley Wilcott with every

554
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:12,800
Speaker 1: mile he travels, that's about twelve hundred miles from home,

555
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 1: because every minute that passes is another minute of premeditation.

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Speaker 1: Ashley Wilcot, Absolutely, that was You just took the words

557
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Speaker 1: out of my mouth. Nancy. I'm not surprised because you've

558
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 1: done prosecution for so long. Premeditation. All of this points

559
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 1: to the fact. What does that mean. It means he

560
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:35,640
Speaker 1: planned it. He took deliberate steps to choose this young victim,

561
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 1: groom this young victim. Kidnap. I'm going to use the

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Speaker 1: word kidnap. He's not been charge with kidnapping, but I'm

563
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:44,600
Speaker 1: just saying to you. In my mind, it's kidnapping. Even

564
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 1: if she walked on her own two feet, she did

565
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 1: it because of his actions convincing her it was okay

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Speaker 1: to do it. Well, that is why Karen Stark psychologist

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Speaker 1: with me right now. And I was just going to say, developmentally,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to go along with with Robin's. She can't

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Speaker 1: make that choice. She's not in the position. Think about

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Speaker 1: when you're a teenager, the crushes that you have and

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Speaker 1: your susceptibility to being wooed and groom. Wait, hold on,

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00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 1: hold that, Karen. Start, Hold on, everybody, just pause for

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Speaker 1: five seconds and think about the things the worst thing

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Speaker 1: you did in your own mind as a teenager, the

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Speaker 1: one thing Jackie is laughing to herself here in the

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Speaker 1: studio and I'm hiding my head in shame. Okay, don't

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Speaker 1: I don't. Yeah, I know that. Go ahead, Karen, And

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Speaker 1: then I'm gonna follow up with Kathleen and Ashley about

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Speaker 1: juvenile culpability. Go ahead, Karen. Start, Well, she's impressionable and

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Speaker 1: she wants to be in love. Your hormones are coming out.

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Speaker 1: You don't know what to do about the feelings that

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Speaker 1: you're having. And here is a guy who's willing her,

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Speaker 1: who's making her feel wonderful, And she doesn't have the

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Speaker 1: developmental capability, Nancy, the psychological astuteness to know that this

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00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 1: is wrong. It just feels like she's loved. And that's

586
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 1: exactly what I have no doubt. To Kathleen Murphy, family

587
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 1: lawyer or expert, Kathleen, that is why the law does

588
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:16,799
Speaker 1: not allow miners to buy a car, to enter a contract,

589
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 1: to buy cigarettes or alcohol, to you know, host a

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00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 1: myriad of things. Miners are disallowed from doing because they

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Speaker 1: have not formed mentally enough to make those kind of decisions.

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Speaker 1: That's why they are protected. For instance, I remember the

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Speaker 1: first time I learned it in law school. If a

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Speaker 1: kid shows up, he looks twenty five years old or

595
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:40,960
Speaker 1: has a stack of money, you still can't sell him

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Speaker 1: a car. If he goes out and crashes the car

597
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:48,840
Speaker 1: in five minutes, that's on the dealership, the person. The

598
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 1: family doesn't have to pay a thing because that contract

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00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:55,839
Speaker 1: never existed, because he's a miner. And I would take

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Speaker 1: it one step further. I think even at age eighteen,

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Speaker 1: they're not old enough or developmentally mature enough to make

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Speaker 1: some major decisions. And I tell my children all the time.

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00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 1: Look at this picture right now, Ashley Wilcott of this

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Speaker 1: little girl domi Anna Spell with her snapchat with all

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Speaker 1: of her heart's past, you know, superimposed over everything. I mean,

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Speaker 1: she had no idea what she was doing. I'm just

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Speaker 1: glad she's alive. It has come to be realized that

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Speaker 1: these are perpetrators committing crimes on these young victims, and

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Speaker 1: that the juveniles, even if they look older, even if

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00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:35,959
Speaker 1: they're beautiful young women, if they are a juvenile, they're

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Speaker 1: the victim because of the actions of a man like

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Speaker 1: this who's forty seven. To Robin Willinski, Crime online dot

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Speaker 1: Com investigative reporter and author of Beautiful Life, Robin Willinsky,

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Speaker 1: how has he found and what is he facing? Well, yes,

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Speaker 1: he has been arrested because of the cell phone things.

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Speaker 1: They tracked this guy down at a grocery store if

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Speaker 1: the fifteen year old was with him. So far it's

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00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:05,760
Speaker 1: contributing to the delinquency of a juvenile. But again because

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Speaker 1: of the potential for kidnapping charges that they could slap

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00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:12,960
Speaker 1: that on there and a host of other things depending

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Speaker 1: upon the sexual contact. Obviously, there needs to be interviews

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00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:19,359
Speaker 1: that need to be done and then We'll see where

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Speaker 1: it goes from there. It could be a long road

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00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:26,719
Speaker 1: ahead for him and certainly a long road ahead for her.

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Speaker 1: She's definitely going to need some therapy going forward. She

626
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 1: got sucked into this madness and ended up in you,

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00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:36,759
Speaker 1: as you say, over a thousand miles away. We really

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Speaker 1: don't know what went on during this period. And also

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Speaker 1: equally disturbing is what went on when she was babysitting

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Speaker 1: for the non baby. Well, the thing is, you know, Robin,

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Speaker 1: she'll go the rest of her life with us hanging

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Speaker 1: over her head. And right now she's alive. She's been

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Speaker 1: found all the way out in Colorado. But this story

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Speaker 1: what happened to her is going to stick with her

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Speaker 1: the rest of her life. We wait as justice unfolds

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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace's crime story, signing off good Bye friend,