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Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome back to another edition of the
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Speaker 1: PGA Championship with sp Nations Brendan Porath and ESPN's Kevin
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Speaker 2: Guys, welcome on Andy, thanks for having me. Good to
Speaker 2: be back.
Speaker 3: I tend to think of my partner my guest partner
Speaker 3: here more is like a Lou Garrick stepping in for
Speaker 3: Wally Wally, Pip. You know, we may never see our
Speaker 3: old friend Shawn Martin again.
Speaker 2: I thought about doing the entire podcast in a Shawn
Speaker 2: Martin impression, the Shawn Martin voice, but that would be
Speaker 2: that's a committing to the bit. I'm not sure I
Speaker 2: could quite live up to.
Speaker 1: Yeah. To clarify for the listeners, our regular preview and
Speaker 1: recap guy, Sean Martin, he is. He's out on vacation
Speaker 1: this week, and it begs the question I've often wondered
Speaker 1: if Smartin was the smartest person in golf, and does
Speaker 1: skipping the twenty eighteen PGA signal more about his intelligence
Speaker 1: or is this just a coincident.
Speaker 3: I think you know, he's in the spot where the
Speaker 3: company he works for has a busy schedule up coming.
Speaker 3: In this scene, this is not the company he works for,
Speaker 3: so it's a suitable time to take a break.
Speaker 2: Sure, he would, he would if he were here. We
Speaker 2: want you to know the FedEx Cup playoffs are just
Speaker 2: as big of a deal as the PGA Championship, and
Speaker 2: maybe more so so.
Speaker 1: Definitely, the player the players is definitely a bigger deal.
Speaker 3: I will say the highlight of my family vacation last
Speaker 3: week was pretending I needed to make a run for
Speaker 3: coffee for fifteen minutes and using it as a reason
Speaker 3: to just drive around for an hour to keep my
Speaker 3: sanity and listen to your podcast week on the.
Speaker 2: Way you guys would change Golf.
Speaker 3: That was a fantastic and entertaining debut on the Friday Egg.
Speaker 2: For Kevin, it's just, you know, it's like a author
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Speaker 1: Yeah, now you're you're the quickest repeat guest of all time.
Speaker 2: Wow, that's amazing. I gotta say I love the it's
Speaker 2: a clutch move to pretend to get coffee move on
Speaker 2: the family vacation for that's use that many times myself.
Speaker 2: Oh I got a little lost. I had to go
Speaker 2: to they ran out of coffee at the first one.
Speaker 3: It was just like twenty five miles farther away.
Speaker 2: Than I thought.
Speaker 1: So yeah, so uh PGA this week? What do you guys?
Speaker 1: You guys excited?
Speaker 2: What do you? What do you?
Speaker 1: What are you looking forward to?
Speaker 2: Well, I'm going to be on site sweaty Saint Louis.
Speaker 2: I've been trying. I've been begging poor out to join me,
Speaker 2: but I think he's He's never given me a definitive no.
Speaker 2: But you know, I'm pretty sure he's not going. So
Speaker 2: it's gonna be me and Kyle Porter among others, sweating
Speaker 2: it out down there AND's going.
Speaker 1: I'm coming down tomorrow, are you quick? Quick? Quick quick visit?
Speaker 1: Maybe going back the weekend. I don't know, we'll see.
Speaker 1: I'm committing to tomorrow at.
Speaker 3: Least, Devin, I'm kind of disappointed you're not there already
Speaker 3: pounding out thousand word columns on the Clydesdale's delivering the
Speaker 3: Lawnamaker Trophy.
Speaker 2: The one thing I've learned covering the majors is the
Speaker 2: like three day build up to the majors and writing
Speaker 2: a thousand word columns every single day is not the
Speaker 2: way to go do majors. The best way to cover
Speaker 2: major is to get in Wednesday night and just just
Speaker 2: write about the actual goal.
Speaker 3: And then for Andy's purposes, what are you the opposite?
Speaker 3: Right you go, Scott the course, Yeah, get your content
Speaker 3: and watch, take those learnings and apply them to watching
Speaker 3: from home.
Speaker 1: No, yeah, I'm I'm the opposite. I'm a I'm a
Speaker 1: I'm an early week guy taking the early week takeaways
Speaker 1: and applying them to the to the weekend watching, you know,
Speaker 1: relating to the uh, to the everyday guys sitting at
Speaker 1: home watching on the telecast.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I walk walk the pins like just you
Speaker 2: know where he thinks the Sunday pans are going to
Speaker 2: be and check them with his uh, his compass, make
Speaker 2: sure that it is accurate.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, well I definitely want to get a get
Speaker 1: a feel for for what kind of what kind of
Speaker 1: heat they're going to be dealing with, and and lou
Speaker 1: Brown actually asked, uh, We've got a special segment here.
Speaker 1: We've got Gary Player calling in to describe this week's
Speaker 1: forecast and what players are going to deal with from
Speaker 1: a weather standpoint in Saint Louis, Indy.
Speaker 2: Thank you many much for having me on the Friday podcast.
Speaker 2: As you know, I conquer Bill Rieve once far long ago,
Speaker 2: and it was just a hot and sweaty and disgusting
Speaker 2: as it will make me this week. So what I expect.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of swamp ass and a lot of
Speaker 2: guys were big and Brownie hitting them all very far.
Speaker 1: Oh thanks Garry. That was that was a real treat. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it should be. It should be something else. I mean
Speaker 1: last year's PGA was much of the same with with
Speaker 1: the weather down in uh in Charlotte in August, and
Speaker 1: this year will have probably a couple of rain delays
Speaker 1: in a really soft course. In terms of uh, you know,
Speaker 1: there's all kinds of storylines. I was, I was doing
Speaker 1: a piece of putting together all of them, and I was,
Speaker 1: I was wondering, what player do you guys think has
Speaker 1: the most to gain from a PGA win.
Speaker 2: Mh, I'm gonna defer to pour out here because I
Speaker 2: got mine and mine, but yeah, we may double up here.
Speaker 2: I mean, well, I think I think from like.
Speaker 3: Practically speaking, wouldn't wouldn't the answer be Jordan's speed?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean, like I.
Speaker 3: Obviously like if he doesn't win, like there's not a
Speaker 3: big loss. But if he if he does win, I
Speaker 3: don't know, I feel like that's a pretty big launching
Speaker 3: in like who who gains more? I mean, I don't
Speaker 3: know Tiger all.
Speaker 2: Of a sudden, that's that's a great question. That's a
Speaker 2: great answer because then not only does Jordan have as
Speaker 2: many majors as Rory, but he also has the career
Speaker 2: Grand Slam, and his entire season, the worst of his career,
Speaker 2: has been a huge success. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think like the probably the default answer. I mean,
Speaker 3: the first percent goes Ricky, but just because whatever, it
Speaker 3: just changes a lot of the narrative around him right now.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I think, like when you phrase it his
Speaker 3: most to gain, I think it's Jordan's speed as the
Speaker 3: most game out of winning this PGA.
Speaker 2: I was gonna answer something way labor like Kyle Stanley
Speaker 2: or like Patrick Cantley, like a guy suddenly like a
Speaker 2: grin elite ball striker, like taking themselves the next level.
Speaker 2: But Pooras's answer was like so much better than mine
Speaker 2: that I'm just embarrassed that I threw those out instead.
Speaker 1: I think that's the fascinating thing with this one. You
Speaker 1: could make a case for like almost probably like ten
Speaker 1: players in the field, like you got Tiger. Tiger would
Speaker 1: complete like the greatest sports comeback in recent memory. With
Speaker 1: a win, Phil would become the second oldest guy to
Speaker 1: ever win a major. You'd have like, you know, I
Speaker 1: think Dustin Johnson. That's a big question, is like is
Speaker 1: twenty eighteen a disappointment for DJ without a major?
Speaker 2: I mean I go back and forth with DJ so
Speaker 2: much that you know, are we overrating majors? Like it's
Speaker 2: obvious the DJ is, like, you know, an amazing player.
Speaker 2: What if he were to win another fifteen twenty tournaments
Speaker 2: and have forty wins and only one major, would his
Speaker 2: career be a disappointment? Like, I don't know, like it
Speaker 2: it seems ridiculous that DJ, if he got like thirty
Speaker 2: plus win and thirty five wins, would be mentioned in
Speaker 2: the same breath as Davis Love and Fred Couples, who
Speaker 2: are going to finish, you know, with eleven twelve wins
Speaker 2: and one major. Like, but that's the way that majors
Speaker 2: kind of end up sort of measuring people.
Speaker 3: Right, DJ doing the uh you do the summer the
Speaker 3: Summer triple with the TPC South Glen Glenn Abbey Bellery.
Speaker 3: It's like, you know, Starberry putting up like triple doubles
Speaker 3: on a twenty five win NXT team, you know, it's
Speaker 3: like that.
Speaker 2: It's a little bit depressing that we were like rooting
Speaker 2: the end of Firestone and yet it's gonna it's gonna
Speaker 2: go to TBC south Wind next year for the the
Speaker 2: bridge Stone, like where guys are going to hit wedge
Speaker 2: in every hole, every hole.
Speaker 1: It's it's like, uh, I don't know if it's an upgrade.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I want to talk Do you want to talk
Speaker 3: about Can we talk about that that WGC for a second?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: You know it was it was brutal, wasn't it. I
Speaker 3: mean it was boring. I think like part of it
Speaker 3: is the course, which you have illuminated so well for
Speaker 3: people over.
Speaker 2: The last few years.
Speaker 3: Andy, Well, Like I think another part of it is
Speaker 3: like the WGCs are just kind of eating their own
Speaker 3: Like it's like everyone's getting too fat and rich to
Speaker 3: the point where like the golf is not compelling. Like
Speaker 3: I just think, like what is the incentive to Like
Speaker 3: there's obviously there's strategy involved in the golf course, but
Speaker 3: there's also some in the golf course you played, But
Speaker 3: I think there's also some strategy involved, Like there's a
Speaker 3: strategy taken out of it when everyone just makes a
Speaker 3: cut and everyone's guaranteed fifty grand and like everyone that's
Speaker 3: already in the field is kind of set for life,
Speaker 3: Like you know, it's already kind of you know, the
Speaker 3: rich and the fat of the you know, living off
Speaker 3: the walking in high con whatever the whatever, the bad
Speaker 3: metaphor you want to use is like, I just I
Speaker 3: think like there's a lack of interest. The players are
Speaker 3: kind of their lethargic about it. Yeah, And think of
Speaker 3: going from Firestone the TPC South Wind the week exactly,
Speaker 3: like right after the Open, like you think guys are
Speaker 3: going to be just showing up to collect checks and
Speaker 3: get the hell out of there. Three or four guys
Speaker 3: who are maybe trying to play on Sunday, and that's it.
Speaker 2: Amazing. I would say that they're talking about ahead.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say that the WGCs are the most
Speaker 1: disappointing thing in golf at this point. You get the
Speaker 1: best players together right now and they play a Muni
Speaker 1: in Mexico, they play a cool match by tournament at
Speaker 1: a at a pretty cool course. They play TPC South
Speaker 1: one now moving forward, and then they play you know,
Speaker 1: a terrible golf course in China that barely anybody shows
Speaker 1: up to you know, that's just the world deserves better
Speaker 1: when the top seventy golfers all come together. I will
Speaker 1: say yesterday, I think one of the things that's been
Speaker 1: lost in all the golf course hate, and I'm probably
Speaker 1: a chief offender of the golf course hate, is like,
Speaker 1: is how unbelievably good Justin Thomas is, and how he
Speaker 1: just he was playing a different golf course than everybody
Speaker 1: else in the field. And if I did all this
Speaker 1: number crunching and and I was looking at top tens,
Speaker 1: and I started this because I wanted to look at
Speaker 1: Ricky Fowler specifically, like top tens compared to wins, you know,
Speaker 1: long term overtime. And I found that Justin Thomas has
Speaker 1: ten wins and twenty four top tens in his young career.
Speaker 1: He's at like thirty seven and a half percent of
Speaker 1: the time he's in the top like versus top ten
Speaker 1: and when he wins, you know, so tell me that
Speaker 1: when he's at his best, he's probably better than everybody
Speaker 1: in the game of golf. Right now, obviously the all
Speaker 1: time high guy is Tiger and he's at sixty six percent,
Speaker 1: which is absolutely.
Speaker 2: Not it was I am I wrong? Though? In the
Speaker 2: funnest part of watching JT and the whole tournament was
Speaker 2: when he would get into trouble and when he'd hit
Speaker 2: like ridiculous shots from you know, I think he curved
Speaker 2: a wedge with a ball below his feet, like, you know,
Speaker 2: twenty yards in the air out of the bunker, and
Speaker 2: then that shot where he hit and the other fairway
Speaker 2: on Friday, I think, and then curved it back towards
Speaker 2: like those are the kind of things that I want
Speaker 2: to see from JT because that's what makes golf fun.
Speaker 2: And he when he's playing well, he just is murdering
Speaker 2: a drive right down the middle and then like hitting
Speaker 2: an unbelievably towering iron to the green and making putts
Speaker 2: like it's it's amazing, But it's like kind of boring
Speaker 2: to watch over and over again. And I don't know why.
Speaker 2: Maybe like some of when Rory was doing that seemed
Speaker 2: a little more compelling, but maybe I'm just seeing so
Speaker 2: much of it now that I'm numb to it. Like
Speaker 2: I was getting all kinds of hate from JT fanboys
Speaker 2: about pointing that out when actually I really like Justin Thomas,
Speaker 2: like he's one of my favorite players to watch. But
Speaker 2: it also just I want to be seeing him like
Speaker 2: use the full display of all his skills, all the
Speaker 2: arrows in his quiver, like we talk about, you know
Speaker 2: that Rory can hit like all those different kinds of shots,
Speaker 2: But why would he learn Why would he sort of
Speaker 2: hone them and sharpen them because the courses are set
Speaker 2: up so he doesn't ever really have to unless he
Speaker 2: gets into trouble. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just think like as bad as yesterday, kind
Speaker 3: of yesterday should I had so much more juice given
Speaker 3: the later bore we had, And I just think like
Speaker 3: next year we're overlooking the impact, Like the wgc's just
Speaker 3: lack like player enthusiasm for it. And I think next year,
Speaker 3: going from Royal Port Rush to Memphis, it's gonna show
Speaker 3: up cast or check and Sunday's gonna lack a little
Speaker 3: more even more.
Speaker 2: Do you think there's a red eye from what is it?
Speaker 2: What's the airport that they have to fly on due
Speaker 2: to Port Rush? All fast fast Memphis, the regular ragar
Speaker 2: red eye there. The most amazing ce SAT that we
Speaker 2: saw one of our friends put together is Ricky Fowler
Speaker 2: has played in twenty seven of them. He has zero
Speaker 2: wins and has made four point three million dollars, so
Speaker 2: he like Arl Palmer, made like a million dollars his
Speaker 2: entire career. Like the fact that like obviously the money
Speaker 2: is way different, but that's nuts to think that that's
Speaker 2: that's a great example of how the wgc's are just
Speaker 2: a money grab like cash out. Like you, Yeah, Ricky
Speaker 2: Feller's probably had some like top tens in there obviously,
Speaker 2: but he never won one, and he's made an obscene
Speaker 2: amount of money, like four times as much more is
Speaker 2: Greg Norman made in his entire career.
Speaker 1: Another just so another thing that bothers me and I
Speaker 1: started thinking about this and I couldn't get it out
Speaker 1: of my head last night. Is a right, So they
Speaker 1: PGA Tour has to know that Firestone is somewhat of
Speaker 1: a boring golf course, right, but they've set the golf
Speaker 1: course up the exact same way for the last fifteen years,
Speaker 1: like no variation is set up. Like they have four
Speaker 1: par threes that all of them are between one hundred
Speaker 1: and eighty five and two hundred and twenty yards, but
Speaker 1: every day they set them up that distance, like you
Speaker 1: can play a forward te you can make one of
Speaker 1: them one hundred and twenty yards one day like that
Speaker 1: would be fun. Like the sixteenth hole, like move it
Speaker 1: up one day, make it reachable for everybody one day,
Speaker 1: Like that would actually be a somewhat interesting shot where
Speaker 1: people would have to decide whether to go for it
Speaker 1: or not rather than just having you know, people lay
Speaker 1: up all day long. Like how come the PGA Tour
Speaker 1: never changes set up day to day when they go
Speaker 1: to the same golf courses every single year and they
Speaker 1: set them up the exact same way, Like like how
Speaker 1: does this?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: Am I am I crazy? Or is this crazy?
Speaker 2: I think it's spot on. I want to like a
Speaker 2: deep dive into who, like who's doing the setups each day?
Speaker 2: Like is it you know, I don't know who's the
Speaker 2: PGA tour'st set up people. Do we know anything about anyone?
Speaker 1: It's Mark Russell and slugg or White.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's those the guys you see come riding in
Speaker 3: the carts to administer, you know, rulings and things.
Speaker 2: I think here's what I think is a here's a
Speaker 2: take is that because the players are so powerful, it's
Speaker 2: it's like what we saw at the baron Nelson. They're
Speaker 2: afraid to piss them off. They're afraid to say, like, well,
Speaker 2: screw it, I won't come to this thing if you
Speaker 2: set this up hard whatever, I want to be what
Speaker 2: it normally is, because they would whine and wine and
Speaker 2: wine and complain if it was something that was abnormal.
Speaker 2: And you know what, like I understand it. They're they're
Speaker 2: used to what they're used to. Nothing, there's no incentive
Speaker 2: for them to want to change. They don't want to
Speaker 2: look bad. They want to just be comfortable. So much
Speaker 2: about being golf is being comfortable, and so that's how
Speaker 2: it is. Just it's a cycle that feeds itself over
Speaker 2: and over, right, right, I think, like.
Speaker 3: Andy, like you're not crazy, this is crazy, but I
Speaker 3: think we could lose sight of who the constituents are
Speaker 3: like at the end of the day, Like the tour
Speaker 3: answers to the players like Roger Gandelli, the NFL owners,
Speaker 3: and that's just how it worked, you know.
Speaker 1: So, uh, in some sort of attempt to get this
Speaker 1: train back on the tracks, you know, we were supposed
Speaker 1: to talk about the beautiful city of Saint Louis and
Speaker 1: a major championship in Saint Louis and the PGA. What
Speaker 1: if you know, Brooks Koepka had a great week at
Speaker 1: Firestone despite putting horribly and looking at the golf course,
Speaker 1: I really think that somebody that absolutely bombs the ball
Speaker 1: is going to win this thing. There's really thick rough
Speaker 1: and the golf course sets up well for guys that
Speaker 1: hit it far and high. If brooks Kepka wins, he'll
Speaker 1: have won three of the last five majors he's played in,
Speaker 1: and he will only have one PGA Tour win in
Speaker 1: his career. Like, does that say something about the PGA
Speaker 1: Tour setups or is it more about brooks Kepka and majors.
Speaker 3: Just the brooks Kepka is just a big game hunter.
Speaker 2: I think it.
Speaker 3: I think it says more about Kopka in my opinion.
Speaker 3: I mean, like he's got the game to win on
Speaker 3: the PGA Tour and PJ Tour setups. No, I mean
Speaker 3: I think it like, of course, I think I just
Speaker 3: shows he kind of turns it on, cares more, you know,
Speaker 3: and turns it on, realizes it full potential at on
Speaker 3: like the biggest stages and at the most toughest, toughest
Speaker 3: and challenging venues, and kind of I think it says
Speaker 3: more about Koepka that he has that he had, that
Speaker 3: Ricky has lower odds than he does is kind of
Speaker 3: a an injustice, almost a crime. You know, Ricky's eighteen
Speaker 3: to one and Brooks is twenty.
Speaker 2: On how much how much of mark money do you
Speaker 2: think that like they get on Ricky, Like Ricky's made
Speaker 2: Vegas so much money from like a lot of just
Speaker 2: lame fish betting on Ricky who don't know anything about golf.
Speaker 2: I bet the rick has made DraftKings like five million
Speaker 2: dollars himself.
Speaker 1: It's I'm in this, like this majors pool with my
Speaker 1: buddies and a lot of them are like buddies from college,
Speaker 1: and where there's thirty two guys and it's a snake
Speaker 1: draft every year, right or for every major and the
Speaker 1: WGC match play that's why there's thirty two, so all
Speaker 1: sixty four guys get picked. And anyway, so I had
Speaker 1: like the eighth pick this uh this time around, and
Speaker 1: it started today and like I was on a text
Speaker 1: chain with a couple of my buddies that are you know,
Speaker 1: big golf fans, and we're like at pick six and
Speaker 1: justin Thomas and Brooks haven't been picked yet and and
Speaker 1: like people were losing their minds, you know, like on
Speaker 1: this text chain, like how is Justin Thomas still not
Speaker 1: been picked? So Justin Thomas ended up going seven and
Speaker 1: I got Brooks at eight, and it's just crazy. I mean,
Speaker 1: Tiger got picked ahead of him. I mean I think,
Speaker 1: like Spieth obviously is having a bad year, but Fowler
Speaker 1: got picked number three, and it's just like this is
Speaker 1: it's kind of crazy. It's just but this it gives
Speaker 1: you a lens into the public opinion of these golfers.
Speaker 2: Is here's what I think Rick's projections. And fourth knows
Speaker 2: this because we were texting about it. I think Rick's
Speaker 2: going to get his like Sergio Major, like when he's
Speaker 2: almost forty, and that's going to be it, like he
Speaker 2: and everyone like, oh, finally, like Ricky's Fowler's fulfilled. He's
Speaker 2: a major champion, and but that'll be it, like we
Speaker 2: all you will think about is like all I'll think
Speaker 2: about is all the majors he could have won. That's
Speaker 2: what I think about with Sergio. Sergio want to could
Speaker 2: have won like seven majors and he has. He's probably
Speaker 2: gonna held with one. His game is trending in a
Speaker 2: bad direction.
Speaker 1: That's when I think about it. That's why I did
Speaker 1: all this number crunching. I put it all on Twitter.
Speaker 1: With Ricky is like his career looks a lot like
Speaker 1: Paul Casey's not. Sergio won twenty percent of the time
Speaker 1: that he was in in contention, you know, if you
Speaker 1: if you look at it that way, like that's like
Speaker 1: a win rate you see with a lot of the superstars.
Speaker 1: Ricky is at eleven percent, Paul Casey's at twelve. So
Speaker 1: to me, Ricky's not even I I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 1: We keep wanting to put him into this generational talent bucket,
Speaker 1: but to me, he's more of like a he's a
Speaker 1: player that was like a really good player of an era,
Speaker 1: not a great player of an era.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I think stat's stats don't lie.
Speaker 1: Maybe yeah, I'm not the biggest gat guy real quick.
Speaker 2: I do think that there is some merit to the
Speaker 2: idea that you're if you're the kind of player who
Speaker 2: has to make like, you know, twenty birdies in a week,
Speaker 2: Kepta might just be like, yeah, I'm kind of out
Speaker 2: on that golf Like, so some of those courses are
Speaker 2: going to set up. You know, It's like if a
Speaker 2: guy like Kepka might say, like, I want it to
Speaker 2: be hard. I want it to be sort of you know,
Speaker 2: I can muscle it out of the rough when other
Speaker 2: guys can't. And so maybe that maybe that's why majors
Speaker 2: would sort of set up better for him, Like it's
Speaker 2: just the tours too easy for him, for one, for
Speaker 2: hold his interest and for two to not like level
Speaker 2: the field, like raise the difficulty and like a really strong,
Speaker 2: really good player might rest the top.
Speaker 1: So I was thinking about this today when I was
Speaker 1: looking at these numbers and thinking about Kopka and the
Speaker 1: PGA Tour, and I don't want this to be taken
Speaker 1: out of context. It easily can be like, but I
Speaker 1: found this comparison, and I'm not sure sure exactly if
Speaker 1: it's right on, and obviously like they're all athletes in
Speaker 1: both scenarios and great athletes. But is the PGA Tour
Speaker 1: to golf, what is to what the WWE is to
Speaker 1: Olympic wrestling.
Speaker 3: That's a day, I don't know, my god, man, it's
Speaker 3: called the PGAs for a farce, Like it's just.
Speaker 1: Not like I I just I think like I think
Speaker 1: high level amateur golf, like the summer circuit. These kids
Speaker 1: play at high level amateur golf, plays a better golf courses,
Speaker 1: the test your games more, and are set up more
Speaker 1: towards like what championship golf really is versus what the
Speaker 1: PGA Tour plays weekend week out.
Speaker 2: I mean, they're not playing high level amateur golf. It's
Speaker 2: seventy four hundred yards, right.
Speaker 1: So I mean some of them, some of them are okay.
Speaker 2: I mean I knowledge of the high level amter golf
Speaker 2: is roughly zero, so I'm gonna have to defer to you.
Speaker 1: But I don't know.
Speaker 3: This is something I thought you're getting back to your
Speaker 3: point about. I think this is kind of all getting
Speaker 3: back Like there's a theme in this entire pot. The
Speaker 3: front half of this pot about WGC is kind of
Speaker 3: eating their own and setups like are like beholding to
Speaker 3: the constituents that are the players.
Speaker 2: It's kind of like this. I don't know.
Speaker 3: It's it's a very limit like closed door party that
Speaker 3: it's the way they want it to be. Of course,
Speaker 3: there's access, you can get a card and you can
Speaker 3: you know, you play well enough, you get there, but
Speaker 3: like it's more or less a closed system, and it's
Speaker 3: not a closed system but it's it's the party that
Speaker 3: they want to throw and it's kind of exclusive, and
Speaker 3: it's the way they want it to be. It's it's
Speaker 3: how they want the birdie fests, courses, they want the
Speaker 3: way they want it set up, and it just yields
Speaker 3: a kind of golf that maybe we don't like. And
Speaker 3: I think that's getting back to everything just the wgc's
Speaker 3: being too like just seeming lethargic and people disinterested and
Speaker 3: you know, the no variety and courses or setups.
Speaker 2: I just.
Speaker 3: Like if they the players are the constituents, there's not
Speaker 3: an over there's not.
Speaker 2: I mean, you don't need to be We've we've seen
Speaker 2: like you don't.
Speaker 3: Need to be like an adversary, like like the USGA
Speaker 3: is in an adversarial posture with the players, the RNA
Speaker 3: is is not. It's not an antagonistic posture, but like
Speaker 3: they're also not you know, beholden in part part with
Speaker 3: im parcel with the players, Like the PGA Tour is
Speaker 3: so like I think like the PGA Tour is the
Speaker 3: way it is for a reason, and I don't think
Speaker 3: like we're the only ones that are complaining it, and
Speaker 3: like the people who are throwing the party, have it
Speaker 3: set up exactly how they want it.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna make it. I'm gonna go in on Andy's
Speaker 2: take though on the WW thing. Here's are going to go.
Speaker 2: So if if that's true, then like Tiger is essentially
Speaker 2: like the Rock, like the biggest superstar that the WW
Speaker 2: has ever produced or whatever. All right, and so if
Speaker 2: you have a charismatic superstar, it covers up all of
Speaker 2: your other ills. And so when the Rock then sort
Speaker 2: of left the WWE, which I don't follow it that closely,
Speaker 2: so there was a lot there was like a void
Speaker 2: of like, well, who's going to be like our star? Like,
Speaker 2: I think a lot less people, you know maybe were
Speaker 2: plug in and cared about the WB and so they
Speaker 2: needed to sort of evolve and like develop other superstars
Speaker 2: or whatever. And I think that the risk that you
Speaker 2: run is if you if you think that one person
Speaker 2: is going to carry you and make up for all
Speaker 2: of your you know so deficiencies, then when that one
Speaker 2: person leaves, you run the risk of a lot of
Speaker 2: people being like, well, actually, this isn't that fun. Actually
Speaker 2: this is kind of lame, Like that one guy made
Speaker 2: it seem more fun, which was the truth. Of Firestone
Speaker 2: for a long time, and then when it wasn't, it
Speaker 2: was like the sheet had been pulled back, and all
Speaker 2: of a sudden, everyone's like, ugh, I don't want to
Speaker 2: watch this. And that's what I fear that, Like, I
Speaker 2: don't think that the majority of golf fans right now
Speaker 2: are disinterested in the PGA Tour like we are in
Speaker 2: the sense of like we're a little bit frustrated with
Speaker 2: the seameness to it. But I think there's a potential
Speaker 2: tipping point that maybe we're sort of ahead of the
Speaker 2: curve and saying like, if you don't change up some things,
Speaker 2: then you run the risk of all of a sudden
Speaker 2: people being like, man, I just this is boring. I
Speaker 2: don't want to Now the Tiger's retired, I find this exhausting. Relatedly,
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 3: Know if you saw Tiger and Feller looking at making
Speaker 3: this thing kind of a series with multiple players and
Speaker 3: two man games. I don't know you saw that report today.
Speaker 2: It's I didn't see that either worked out there.
Speaker 3: You know, maybe a competing products somewhere down the line.
Speaker 2: I mean, the fact that they're putting it at Shadow
Speaker 2: Creek is kind of fun to me. That's a worse
Speaker 2: that no one ever sees, so you know, at least
Speaker 2: at least it will be a different look for things.
Speaker 2: Yeah that fas.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not the biggest fan of FAZ fan,
Speaker 1: but like, yeah, it's actually interesting because I will be
Speaker 1: excited to see Shadow Creek and PGA Tour pros play it.
Speaker 1: Just like I mean, like I think about the PGA
Speaker 1: Tour schedule and after the majors, I would say that
Speaker 1: Riviera is the best event.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like to me, it's it's not a surprise that
Speaker 1: it has played at the best golf course that they
Speaker 1: play four rounds at every year. You know, yeah, I.
Speaker 3: Was thinking today to get us back to the PGA.
Speaker 3: It is just kind of like the fatigue of the
Speaker 3: whole like PGA Tour season. Do you remember when we
Speaker 3: were at Riviera and like the announcement came out that Tiger,
Speaker 3: Rory and JT were all playing together, Like I like gas,
Speaker 3: I like drop my phone. I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 3: like this is and I know I'm to whatever follow
Speaker 3: this for a living and like I don't know, I
Speaker 3: can be jaded about it, but like that literally like
Speaker 3: stirred my emotions. I was like, this is amazing, this
Speaker 3: is so great, Like they're playing again this week. I'm
Speaker 3: just like, eh, you know, it's like that just the season,
Speaker 3: the grind of PGA Tour season. Obviously we've now been
Speaker 3: able to watch Tiger play a full season, so it's
Speaker 3: just I don't know, it just lost the supergroup, then
Speaker 3: lost so much sizzle compared to the Riviera.
Speaker 1: Do you do you think that the move to May then,
Speaker 1: because of that fatigue and that that season long thing,
Speaker 1: is a good move for the PGA.
Speaker 2: I think in that respect it is.
Speaker 3: I think overall, I think like the PGA Tour kind
Speaker 3: of pulled one over on them.
Speaker 2: I think like, I.
Speaker 3: Think in that respect it is like they could maybe
Speaker 3: kind of push a wedge their way into some sort
Speaker 3: of new identity, and there's much more enthusiasm and anticipation
Speaker 3: around it falling in May. But again, like there's a
Speaker 3: lot of other sports going on and a lot of
Speaker 3: other like compedian indus interests more than just like preseason football.
Speaker 3: So I think like in that respect, from our very
Speaker 3: narrow point of view, like the PGA might there might
Speaker 3: be more an enthusiasm and anticipation around it, But overall,
Speaker 3: I don't love them.
Speaker 2: That I think it'll be it'll make the PGA to
Speaker 2: me feel more relevant because it will, you know, when
Speaker 2: we have two majors in that there's a possibility that
Speaker 2: someone could win two majors and be going for the
Speaker 2: third at the US Open, which has never happen, happened
Speaker 2: really in our lifetime. And you know, having the best
Speaker 2: major the British you know, be the final major of
Speaker 2: the year is I think also kind of fun. But
Speaker 2: part I just want to call back to remember when
Speaker 2: at Riviera when we walked and we walked with the
Speaker 2: Penn State Truther guy who was there to see Tiger,
Speaker 2: which is the bizarre random media sighting that guy who
Speaker 2: writes all the like joke was framed. So that's the
Speaker 2: most bizarre like random media person sighting ever. That's how
Speaker 2: big of a drawn Tiger was.
Speaker 1: He brings up the truthers that that I mean, that
Speaker 1: was crazy. There was like eighty people following Tiger, eighty
Speaker 1: media people following Tiger that week. In that group, which
Speaker 1: on a Thursday morning, I remember how packed that just
Speaker 1: the whole like crowd was on a Thursday morning, like
Speaker 1: that doesn't usually happen, which uh which is surprising. I
Speaker 1: think the other thing is that gives the schedule a
Speaker 1: little bit of benefit as like the cadence of it.
Speaker 1: Like so you have the biggest, the biggest non tour event,
Speaker 1: which is the Players in March, and then one month
Speaker 1: later you got the Masters, one month later, you have
Speaker 1: the PGA one month later. Like it puts it on
Speaker 1: a regular schedule. But that being said, like going up
Speaker 1: against then NHL and NBA playoffs not good at all.
Speaker 3: I don't think it's gonna do anything for the general
Speaker 3: fatigue we feel about the playoffs either. I mean, just
Speaker 3: because the playoffs are now in August and not going
Speaker 3: up against football, like I think, like, yeah, we're still
Speaker 3: just gonna be kind of burnt out. But then you know,
Speaker 3: it's like guys playing for ten million dollar persons.
Speaker 1: People people going to their their lighthouse. You know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's all right. Here's the question for you, what
Speaker 2: would be the three ideal PGA may courses. If we
Speaker 2: have new courses in play and you can set up
Speaker 2: moving forward and and anything is in play as long
Speaker 2: as it can have the actual tints and all that stuff,
Speaker 2: what would be the ideal three courses that you would
Speaker 2: wanted to see that Riviera kay.
Speaker 1: L a c c uh huh and then uh, I
Speaker 1: guess I guess we'll go with uh. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't mind seeing Chambers Bay, Yeah, Chambers. I just
Speaker 1: I just put them all on the West coast, like
Speaker 1: I'm I don't want to ghost. I don't want Kiowa, Okay,
Speaker 1: I don't want I don't want anything in Dallas other
Speaker 1: than like Trinity Forest, I know, or Texas for that matter,
Speaker 1: Like yeah, sorry, Texas. I'm menna. Get a lot of
Speaker 1: emails about that Florida, Like nothing really does it for me.
Speaker 1: It's not Seminole is not going to be opening the doors. Uh, Georgia,
Speaker 1: there's nothing in there that's going to host you know,
Speaker 1: a PGA, Like I don't want to see it at
Speaker 1: East Lake, do you guys?
Speaker 2: No, I just track with Riviera. I mean that's those
Speaker 2: are two.
Speaker 1: I mean, as bad as it sounds like, I mean,
Speaker 1: that's I would if it was at Riviera every year,
Speaker 1: I'd be like thrilled. That would never happen and it
Speaker 1: would cannibalize the genesis open. But it would be the
Speaker 1: best case scenario.
Speaker 2: Go back to salih. Uh, that's right, it's been so long.
Speaker 2: What's the deal there that they just don't have any
Speaker 2: enough room? It was like played like sixty seven or
Speaker 2: something back then at tight tight, it real tight. The
Speaker 2: big tall trees. I've walked that once for like a
Speaker 2: buddy of mine was covered like junior am thing there
Speaker 2: and so he walked it and the trees were beautiful.
Speaker 2: It was, you know, I know a lot of anti
Speaker 2: tree sentiment on this podcast, but.
Speaker 1: We'd we'd have we'd have to restock tree management shirts
Speaker 1: that we you know, out there giving them away.
Speaker 2: After hearing about the Firestone Dutch Elm disease incident over
Speaker 2: by CBS, I think you need shirts that say support
Speaker 2: Dutch Elm disease.
Speaker 1: It's uh that one might go too far, too far.
Speaker 1: People don't realize. I was an environmental science major. I
Speaker 1: love trees. I just don't love them on golf courses.
Speaker 2: So yeah, was Honestly, I think Chambers got a bad
Speaker 2: rap in the way it sort of played out there,
Speaker 2: and I want to I think eventually they got to
Speaker 2: go back to Chambers give another shot, whether it's in
Speaker 2: may or whatever.
Speaker 1: Somebody said something about a idea of like giving it
Speaker 1: all the modern I can't remember who, and I apologize
Speaker 1: for that. But like all modern major all modern major
Speaker 1: hosts as the PGAs think, you know, yeah, and the
Speaker 1: problem but this is the other problem with the May date,
Speaker 1: Like it's going to be really interesting next year with
Speaker 1: Beth Page because like there weren't like leaves on trees
Speaker 1: in the beginning of May. Like and it's not about
Speaker 1: like the weather. Everybody's like, oh, well, the average highest
Speaker 1: sixty five or sixty seven or whatever it is. The date.
Speaker 1: It's about like the amount of time you have to
Speaker 1: grow grass and actually have healthy grass that's ready for
Speaker 1: a major championship. And I think that's one of the
Speaker 1: one of the problems is with the date change, you
Speaker 1: eliminate you know, the the un you know, the unpopular
Speaker 1: real dilemma with golf is that the majority of the
Speaker 1: best golf courses in the country are located between you know, Pennsylvania,
Speaker 1: Philadelphia and north east of there, Like that's where all
Speaker 1: the great golf courses are for the most part. The
Speaker 1: Midwest has a lot of great ones too, but that
Speaker 1: one's out of the out of it with the date change. Also,
Speaker 1: like you know, Oakland Hills is no longer a potential
Speaker 1: host with this date Inverness in Ohio isn't a host
Speaker 1: anything in Chicago can't host in in May and have
Speaker 1: like really good agronomic conditions. And when you think about
Speaker 1: championship golf, those are where all the great courses are.
Speaker 1: So it leaves you with the West coast and the southeast. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so it's it's this is uh, we're talking about future
Speaker 1: PGAs and not not the one at hand.
Speaker 3: I will say, I will say that, Uh, that's one
Speaker 3: thing I appreciate about this one is like and this
Speaker 3: is a very peripheral concern and not you know, germane
Speaker 3: to what you what you cover Andy, is like it
Speaker 3: is good to go to a market like this that
Speaker 3: probably doesn't get pro golf. Now, I understand the course
Speaker 3: may not be up to snuff, but like I thought
Speaker 3: it was like it looked like the crowds were pretty
Speaker 3: pretty good for Monday, and like I think people there
Speaker 3: are fired up about it. And you know, Saint Louis,
Speaker 3: I think is a fine enough sports town and I
Speaker 3: think that's like good to have a pro golf tournament
Speaker 3: going to the middle, the very middle of the country
Speaker 3: into a market that hasn't had anything in twenty years
Speaker 3: or more.
Speaker 1: Hey, I agree. Look at what happened when the Solheim
Speaker 1: Cup went to Cedar Rapids. Yeah yeah, or was it
Speaker 1: des Moines? It was des Moines, right, I.
Speaker 2: Think that's right.
Speaker 3: I mean it mean when they go to that marathon,
Speaker 3: then the women LPGA and Toledo or you know arks,
Speaker 3: like people get into these events if it's like their
Speaker 3: hometown event, pro pro.
Speaker 1: Sports event, especially markets that don't usually get big events.
Speaker 2: Sure, am I correct in? Remembering that when Gary Player
Speaker 2: won in in bell Reeve and whatever it was that
Speaker 2: that gave him the career Grand Slam and he had
Speaker 2: it before Nicholas? Is that I think I read that
Speaker 2: a year before. That's my mind when I I was like,
Speaker 2: really like, Gary Player got the career Grand Slam before Technicals.
Speaker 2: But you know, I think of them. Gary's a little
Speaker 2: older and so I just think of them as sort
Speaker 2: of contemporaries. But still that that's kind of a neat
Speaker 2: piece of history there. It was like only the third
Speaker 2: guy or whatever to do it at that point, or
Speaker 2: fourth guy.
Speaker 1: I think there's only one real fix to this whole
Speaker 1: problem with the PGA. Okay, it needs to go back
Speaker 1: to match play. Go back and brace their history. All right,
Speaker 1: so bear with me. Sunday is going to stink. But
Speaker 1: Sunday stinks for the PGA right now. You know, every
Speaker 1: day stinks right now for the PGA, like in comparison
Speaker 1: to the other majors. All right, But if you made
Speaker 1: it like thirty six holes of qualifying it stroke qualifying,
Speaker 1: and then you cut it to the top thirty two
Speaker 1: and you do match play in you could make an
Speaker 1: argument that if you did thirty six holes on Saturday,
Speaker 1: where it was the round of eight to the four
Speaker 1: to the finalists, that that Saturday and Friday would be
Speaker 1: the two best days of major championship golf of the year.
Speaker 1: You went from having the four worst days to two
Speaker 1: of the best days. Like that's a huge win.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree. I think they play It would be
Speaker 2: exhausting to play thirty six on Saturday or whatever, right
Speaker 2: like they do it, I guess anyway for the match play.
Speaker 2: So it's not like it's totally foreign to them. They're
Speaker 2: not carrying their bags, so why not, Yeah, let's do it.
Speaker 2: Moving it into may.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's less like they're not coming right off
Speaker 3: fire sound and doing all that stuff anymore.
Speaker 2: I don't know, give them carts. I don't give a shit.
Speaker 2: Give them something, you know.
Speaker 1: Push cards. It's just the most simple, easiest fix they
Speaker 1: have is out And like, how is there not a
Speaker 1: match play major? There's a reason the PGA was a
Speaker 1: match play tournament from the start variety. You know, like
Speaker 1: you've got your Invitational, you've got your big US Championship,
Speaker 1: you've got your big Championship of like you know, the
Speaker 1: British Islands, and then you have your match play Championship.
Speaker 1: It makes so much sense.
Speaker 2: It really does. Do we know what year did it change?
Speaker 1: Like the nineteen seventy I want to say.
Speaker 2: There's probably sports writers are behind this. They bullied the
Speaker 2: PGA into taking it into it was probably like I
Speaker 2: don't know, trying to think of who would have been,
Speaker 2: you know, in the seventies, would have been like a
Speaker 2: big powerful sports writer, Irman Bisher, some of the Jenkins, everything,
Speaker 2: because that's the way it worked. Like one of my
Speaker 2: biggest gripes in golf history is that sports writers like
Speaker 2: got together and decided that like the Western Open was
Speaker 2: no longer a major, and then like you know, Sarahs
Speaker 2: are like just lost, like all of the majors that
Speaker 2: he had sort of won, like just the fact that
Speaker 2: like you could win like a bunch of majors like
Speaker 2: back in the day, and then all of a sudden
Speaker 2: they didn't count, you know, like it's just crazy to me,
Speaker 2: But that was sports writers. They decided that.
Speaker 3: Well, now we got bloggers and podcasters coming around to
Speaker 3: make force it back into match play.
Speaker 2: I love it.
Speaker 1: The last time I played golf, I got to the
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Speaker 1: got we got a really good question here from Sean Roadhorst.
Speaker 1: Does Rory stink?
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 3: I I enjoyed your note in the newsletter this morning.
Speaker 2: About how that was.
Speaker 3: That was Will Knights, Oh, Will Knights, how his wedges
Speaker 3: are just like their inexcusable disgrace. It was very strong language.
Speaker 3: I liked it, Like it's like this can't go on
Speaker 3: much longer.
Speaker 2: Rory in fourteen I looked this up a while back.
Speaker 2: He was like proximity the whole Like like from one
Speaker 2: hundred and twenty five yards, he was like fourth in
Speaker 2: strokes gained and he's never been That is the only
Speaker 2: year that he's ever been in like the top one hundred,
Speaker 2: So like, how did that one outlier? Like what was
Speaker 2: he doing that year that made him so much better?
Speaker 2: Was it the wedges he was playing? Was it the ball?
Speaker 2: Was it? You know, just the way that he sort
Speaker 2: of I don't know, like looked at that, like what
Speaker 2: was happening that one year that he was so good
Speaker 2: at it? Why can't he be like just half of that?
Speaker 2: Why can't he like ranking fiftieth in strokes gained from
Speaker 2: one hundred and twenty yards.
Speaker 1: So one thing is that I feel like the majority
Speaker 1: of the PGA tour has caught up to Rory's prodigious length.
Speaker 1: And we saw that yesterday and while we were watching
Speaker 1: the Bridge Stone, you know, everybody was hitting the ball
Speaker 1: four hundred yards like it's not a big thing anymore.
Speaker 1: So Rory used to get wedge opportunities where nobody else
Speaker 1: got them, and now everybody gets wedge opportunities.
Speaker 2: That's a big part of it. I don't know that that's.
Speaker 1: What's what's going on over there.
Speaker 2: Sorry, as I was typing some things, is that showing
Speaker 2: up on the podcast here and apologize?
Speaker 1: You got to throw the mute on if you're gonna
Speaker 1: just hammer away.
Speaker 2: I just wanted to continue to make this the top
Speaker 2: quality production that it always has been.
Speaker 1: You were filling in for Smart and admirably in that aspect.
Speaker 2: I was so close and now.
Speaker 3: That that's that's part of the tradition. Ah, this is
Speaker 3: a casual conference called Vibe always as.
Speaker 2: Yeah that why are why are Rory's wedges so like?
Speaker 2: Why can't they be what they are in fourteen? Just
Speaker 2: need to watch the film. We need to get them
Speaker 2: as old Nike wedges, Nike vapor things or whatever they were.
Speaker 3: I don't know, Uh, I don't know, it's just a
Speaker 3: different The Sunday fade was really kind of disappointing. I
Speaker 3: thought for sure, like I think he sees so I
Speaker 3: think he walked out of fourteen thinking like, wow, there's
Speaker 3: really just like I am the guy of the next era. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and then speed came along so fast. Well we like
Speaker 3: ran away with the Masters, won the US Open, and
Speaker 3: now like whatever, DJ kind of got his acting gear
Speaker 3: a little bit more justin Thomas all of a sudden,
Speaker 3: like I think he's just I think he's I mean,
Speaker 3: this is getting like kind of far afield from the
Speaker 3: Wedges specific Wedges issue, but like, I just I don't
Speaker 3: think he expected it to be this competitive, this fath
Speaker 3: I think he thought he was kind of, I don't
Speaker 3: know to use a whatever, like a Hackney term, now
Speaker 3: the alpha of the next kind of generation. And I
Speaker 3: think that really got a lot deeper, a lot faster
Speaker 3: than he anticipated walking out of a twenty fourteen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's uh, it's fascinating, like his uh, his approach
Speaker 1: to green numbers have declined, like his rank every year
Speaker 1: since twenty fourteen. You know, he was like habitually, you know,
Speaker 1: one of the best on tour, and you know where
Speaker 1: he was top thirty guys, Strokes gained approach and now
Speaker 1: he's you know, in the sixties and seventies and Strokes
Speaker 1: gained approach, and I just have I always think back.
Speaker 1: It's like I think Shackelford had to post up this
Speaker 1: uh last night on his site about you know, distance
Speaker 1: numbers and how like last year ten guys hit average
Speaker 1: over three ten and this year fifteen guys have averaged
Speaker 1: over three ten. And that's and we haven't even gotten
Speaker 1: to the part of the season where they hit the
Speaker 1: ball the furthest which is the FedEx Cup, when the
Speaker 1: courses are more dialed in, they aren't as wet, So
Speaker 1: like we're on on a record pace of guys, So
Speaker 1: more and more guys hit the ball really far, which
Speaker 1: was Rory's like big thing. I mean, Rory's the greatest,
Speaker 1: you know, probably the greatest driver of the golf ball
Speaker 1: of this generation. And I think that that skill is
Speaker 1: becoming more commoditized with today's game of golf, you know,
Speaker 1: and that's not as big of a differentiator. It's a
Speaker 1: huge differentiator from like the short guys on tour to
Speaker 1: the long guys. But there's way more long guys now
Speaker 1: than there ever were before, So it becomes more about
Speaker 1: which guys are really long and and also just as
Speaker 1: elite with their wedges or you know Putter.
Speaker 2: So does he stink? No, he doesn't stink, that's the question. No,
Speaker 2: I think I think he. I think putting is in
Speaker 2: his head, like I wish that he had more committed
Speaker 2: to that sort of facts and method of like, hell,
Speaker 2: let's screw it, I'm just gonna be athletic and just putt.
Speaker 2: What do you wear? He won bay Hill and was like,
Speaker 2: that's the Rory that I think he needs to find
Speaker 2: that center again. And you know, eventually over time, if
Speaker 2: he's able to feel comfortable in that, it's when he's
Speaker 2: to me, it's when he overthinks, overreads it. Just be aggressive,
Speaker 2: hit it a few v pass if you have to
Speaker 2: make those coming back, you'll be fine. You're gonna give
Speaker 2: yourself enough chances. I want to be Rory's metal coach.
Speaker 2: That's what I want to be. He needs a social
Speaker 2: media person and a metal coach.
Speaker 1: I would tell Rory what I do is I've started
Speaker 1: to sing comfortably numb by Pink Floyd while I hit
Speaker 1: any types of golf shot interesting. It's actually been liberating.
Speaker 1: But you know, I haven't been playing.
Speaker 2: The Van Morrison cover version or the one the actual
Speaker 2: Pink Floyd Pink Floyd. I love the Van Morrison cover version.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's actually been you know, it gets my mind.
Speaker 1: I've putt it better because I don't think about putting,
Speaker 1: you know. I I've always struggled with Buddy. So it's ah,
Speaker 1: so uh so, who you guys picking for this week?
Speaker 2: Question?
Speaker 1: Like I wouldn't be surprised if Ferrari one, like he'd
Speaker 1: be in my list of four favorites totally.
Speaker 2: I think is as wacky as his season has been,
Speaker 2: as much as he started regressed in on Sunday, he's
Speaker 2: definitely I think trending in better direction. Like he played
Speaker 2: really well at the Open and so uh, you know,
Speaker 2: he just wasn't quite good enough on Sunday. Was kind
Speaker 2: of too far back. But I'm gonna pick a wild
Speaker 2: horse or whatever I'm gonna say, Patrick Cantley, I think
Speaker 2: it's where we're due for, like a surprise PGA Tour winner,
Speaker 2: like a not We're gonna get back to back majors
Speaker 2: of guys who you would not have necessarily thought we're
Speaker 2: going to win a major until they did. Interesting. I
Speaker 2: like that.
Speaker 3: I justin Thomas, but not like after a fist. Don't
Speaker 3: feel like that's too fascile, like too easy to do.
Speaker 3: I don't have my pick yet. It's Monday night. I
Speaker 3: gotta figure this out. I mean, what about Paul Casey, Okay,
Speaker 3: I gotta sell myself on him.
Speaker 2: You talked some about it already.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna probably stay with Justin Thomas. I think that's
Speaker 3: the smartest and best play. It feels like the PGA
Speaker 3: could be his major, like for them whatever decade based.
Speaker 2: On is Justin Thomas? Can just Thomas win the Masters
Speaker 2: in the Open Championship with his current game? Like does
Speaker 2: this game need to evolve a little bit more? Or
Speaker 2: am I just like overthinking this and that he's you know,
Speaker 2: he just hasn't gotten in contention to either of those majors.
Speaker 1: Yes, I think he can win with it. I I
Speaker 1: think Justin Thomas is unbelievably good. I obviously as evidenced
Speaker 1: by is what eight wins over the last two years now. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I think just when you look at his game,
Speaker 1: his career arc and like how he's progressed and how
Speaker 1: he's improved, Like I think he's in the top forty
Speaker 1: of every strokes gain metrics, so off the t approach
Speaker 1: around the green and putting and that I mean, if
Speaker 1: he does three of them well in a week, nobody
Speaker 1: has a chance. Yeah, and that's what we saw a firestone.
Speaker 1: You know, he drove it great and he wedged it great. Like, who,
Speaker 1: how are you gonna beat that guy?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: So Rory, Jason Day and JT, Like I feel like
Speaker 3: that's like your PGA like like you like designed a
Speaker 3: PGA Championship player in a lab, Like those are like
Speaker 3: the guys you especially for even this week, those are
Speaker 3: that's like a perfect kind of player for this kind
Speaker 3: of test.
Speaker 1: See our conversation. This is what's great about this PGA
Speaker 1: is our conversation earlier about like who has the most game?
Speaker 1: Because I think what we just talked tot with Rory,
Speaker 1: Rory could have the most of a game.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, it's not a bad point.
Speaker 1: JT, JT. If he wins, he's one major behind Speed.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And I think, well, Jason Day, if he wins,
Speaker 2: could completely reset the last few years of like all
Speaker 2: of a sudden him Jason Day having two majors, like
Speaker 2: he should have at least two majors right now. He
Speaker 2: was the number one player in the world for a while,
Speaker 2: like he was by far and away when he won
Speaker 2: that PGA he's by far and away the best player
Speaker 2: in the world in that moment. Like that guy, whatever
Speaker 2: happened to him, like was injury or just he can't
Speaker 2: sustain it being the guy who swings it look out
Speaker 2: of your shoes every single time. I don't know. I
Speaker 2: think that would would reset a lot about Jason Day.
Speaker 1: I think in our minds, Yeah, they say so, I
Speaker 1: would say Jason Day also, yeah, like he would. That
Speaker 1: second win in a major ties him for second most
Speaker 1: of an Australian all time with Greg Norman. Like he's
Speaker 1: only behind Peter Thompson. Then yeah, I mean Dustin Johnson
Speaker 1: the same thing. You know, the second major for DJ
Speaker 1: is huge. You know, he's beyond I don't get excited
Speaker 1: about a DJ regular PGA Tour win anymore.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like wait, it's yeah, it's time for some majors
Speaker 2: for DJ. That's what's the only thing it's going to
Speaker 2: get me excited about him. I think him hitting forty
Speaker 2: yard drives doesn't excite me, but him winning like another
Speaker 2: major would be would be great.
Speaker 1: Here's why the PGA Championship is underrated because twenty years
Speaker 1: from certain Yeah, twenty years from now. We don't like,
Speaker 1: we don't look at like players and say, well, they
Speaker 1: won three PGAs, so those count as one and a
Speaker 1: half majors. Yeah, they all count the exact same.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's true. I think PJ should count for point
Speaker 2: seventy five majors personally, but Yozoba should count for like
Speaker 2: one and a half. That's what I was gonna say.
Speaker 3: I mean, like, I was gonna go the other direction
Speaker 3: with your day take if he has a whistling straits
Speaker 3: and bell reeve major accounts as one.
Speaker 1: But you would say that now. But you know, when
Speaker 1: when Brendan porath Is is writing about golf and and
Speaker 1: has you know, some acute liver damage from all the
Speaker 1: monsters he's drank over the years, he will remember Jason Day.
Speaker 1: He'll be writing about the good old days when players
Speaker 1: weren't like Jason Day. Now, you know, let me tell
Speaker 1: you about how great Jason Day was.
Speaker 2: Right, you're right, cold Hammer fans or whatever. It's like,
Speaker 2: you're right.
Speaker 1: It's all right. So I'm going to go with the Kopka.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm rooting for Kopka. I'm all in on this.
Speaker 1: I really want the three major winner with one PGA
Speaker 1: Tour win and I think he putted so bad. Putting
Speaker 1: is is a week to week thing. He hit the
Speaker 1: ball grade at Firestone, and I just I think Belle
Speaker 1: Reeves sets up so perfect for him. I guess the
Speaker 1: rough is really really thick. So I don't I just
Speaker 1: don't see anybody that doesn't hit it three ten plus
Speaker 1: winning this week.
Speaker 3: Can I ask you, what do you what do you think?
Speaker 3: Like we're looking at for scores this week, Like is
Speaker 3: this like he's talked about how he like he's perfectly
Speaker 3: cool just hitting into the middle of the greens and
Speaker 3: playing out. Obviously he wanted Aaron Hills with the scores
Speaker 3: were you know, part of the matter, but scores were better. Like,
Speaker 3: what do you see kind of this championship.
Speaker 1: Being I think six to twelve? This is my guess
Speaker 1: if that's is that too big of a range?
Speaker 2: It's a big if it's.
Speaker 1: A smart If you want me to tighten it up,
Speaker 1: I'll go eight to twelve.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's pretty standard for PGA, right, Like it's pretty
Speaker 2: rare for PGA to be you know, one to five
Speaker 2: or like deeper than you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Jason Day, what except the records? What did Jason
Speaker 3: Day get to twenty or something.
Speaker 2: He got to twenty, but then I think he bogied
Speaker 2: the last and need to get it to nineteen or something. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: finish twenty, finished nineteen or something.
Speaker 1: It's just it's thick, you know, like the rough's really thick.
Speaker 1: It's it's it's not like it's not an easy golf course.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be soft, most likely the greens. That's a
Speaker 1: That's something that's interesting is that the members haven't been
Speaker 1: playing on the greens all year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's all year.
Speaker 1: They've been playing to temporary greens because I think last year,
Speaker 1: as I understand it, last year they lost the greens.
Speaker 1: And then when you know, media hit the ground this week,
Speaker 1: you know there are today I saw a lot of
Speaker 1: people taking pictures of the greens and being like this
Speaker 1: doesn't look that good. So it might not be like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, the putting might be a little bit.
Speaker 1: It'll be interesting to see how the conditions are. Like
Speaker 1: you're not going to be dealing with like I think
Speaker 1: a pristine putting, you know, green that you see at
Speaker 1: a lot of PGA Tour events or like the Master
Speaker 1: Like that's not gonna be Belle Reeve this week.
Speaker 3: So, I mean, I know groundskeepers are kind of your constituents.
Speaker 3: I never feel like that's like one of the hardest childs,
Speaker 3: Like I never Yeah, it's like impossible like that. People
Speaker 3: are just always bitching about something or other. I just like,
Speaker 3: I mean, how it's it's I don't know, it can't
Speaker 3: happen if you have a major I mean, like, well,
Speaker 3: you know it's coming.
Speaker 1: It's Saint Louis in.
Speaker 2: August, right, I know nothing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's just not a great time, like if
Speaker 1: you want to play golf and in Saint Louis, Like
Speaker 1: October is great, May is great, like August is it's
Speaker 1: kind of bad. It's gonna be as Gary said, it's
Speaker 1: gonna be very hot.
Speaker 2: I can't believe you guys got Gary Player on this podcast.
Speaker 2: It's amazing yet, I mean, I don't know what. He
Speaker 2: doesn't even own a cell phone, right, he just called in.
Speaker 2: Its amazing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think, uh, I'm sure the medio blow it
Speaker 3: out of proportion, I'll say, because that's what you know,
Speaker 3: we get we get worked up about fescubing chopped back
Speaker 3: a few feet, you know just what we get upset?
Speaker 2: What we what we feed on what's.
Speaker 1: Your guys favorite PGA memory of the last like five PGAs, mm.
Speaker 2: Hmmm, five PGAs. Uh, yeah, that's that's unfair. As I had.
Speaker 2: It's easy to quee up if you could take the
Speaker 2: whole accounting of things.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I had to. I had to eliminade Tiger Bob
Speaker 1: May from any consideration.
Speaker 3: Jimmy Walker playing Lift Clean and Place on the thirty
Speaker 3: six halls on Sunday to win the first major under
Speaker 3: Lift Clean and Place it.
Speaker 2: So fitting I covered that solo. None of people were there,
Speaker 2: so you don't get to talk about the Jimmy Walker experience.
Speaker 2: All right. That's like you don't talk about a war
Speaker 2: that you didn't serve in.
Speaker 3: I was there for that.
Speaker 2: That was I still have to talk to my therapist
Speaker 2: about the strong. Oh yeah, I mean Rory dusting the
Speaker 2: field in Kio was pretty amazing. We were talking about
Speaker 2: Andy and I were talking about the podcast last time
Speaker 2: about how Rory went like sixty six six seventy five
Speaker 2: six six sixty eight. It was the most Rory major ever.
Speaker 2: Maybe is that one horrendous round and then just completely
Speaker 2: boat raced everyone.
Speaker 3: I like, I like, my favorite memory is like burned Weisburger,
Speaker 3: like just fairly existing in twenty fourteen, like literally just
Speaker 3: not even. He's like a marker for the final group,
Speaker 3: like you got Ricky Phil like playing a hat and
Speaker 3: then like Wusburgers just there. I'm terrible for the guy.
Speaker 3: All of a sudden, he's got to play up the
Speaker 3: eighteenth in the dark like that.
Speaker 1: That was a memorable moment though, that eighteenth fent dark.
Speaker 2: You know, yeah, oh yeah, that's a legit. That's the
Speaker 2: big people like really realize how close Rory was hitting
Speaker 2: in the water off that T shot, Like that shot
Speaker 2: was like three feet from being in the water and
Speaker 2: completely blowing that PGA for him because he was insistent
Speaker 2: on hitting that T shot, but it wasn't. It stayed
Speaker 2: up and then he bully fell into playing through that.
Speaker 1: That moment sticks with me. But I I go back
Speaker 1: to the Kiwa PGA and I think about Ernie's tough
Speaker 1: luck in majors all the time, where he finished runner
Speaker 1: up to VJ and Tiger and like three or four
Speaker 1: consecutive majors back in the day. I mean, David Lynn
Speaker 1: finished runner up.
Speaker 2: I hope we get David Lynn on the next week's podcast.
Speaker 2: Talk about the slander that he faced two product vodkas
Speaker 2: in a row. David Lynn, I mean.
Speaker 1: He would go right alongside like Sean mckeel is, the
Speaker 1: most obscure major champions of all time.
Speaker 2: Yeahhead was absolutely true.
Speaker 1: I don't remember anything else that David Lynn ever did
Speaker 1: in his career other than finished runner up in that major.
Speaker 2: Don't you think we're I mean, as much as we
Speaker 2: talk about like this is going to be set up
Speaker 2: for someone who hits the three hundred yards, has that
Speaker 2: kind of eliminated those like surprise majors and someone like
Speaker 2: will we ever see a Ben Curtis win a major again?
Speaker 2: Or Sean mcchiale or like a total like a guy
Speaker 2: who's ranked outside the top you know, one hundred basically.
Speaker 2: I mean, it wasn't Ben Curtis like ranked five hundred
Speaker 2: in the world or something in that moment when he won.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean.
Speaker 2: Win a day with Todd Hamilton. Todd Hamilton hybrids all
Speaker 2: the way anywhere else that I don't think anybody's going
Speaker 2: to ever win a major hitting hybrids into the par
Speaker 2: fours anymore.
Speaker 3: Or yeah, uh, I think that's a good point. I
Speaker 3: don't know, it's it's God, it seems less prevalent. But
Speaker 3: I have to look at it trying to think of
Speaker 3: the last like super fluky major winner we had, Like
Speaker 3: Jimmy Jimmy Walker, as much shit as you want to
Speaker 3: give him, was like a legit superstar talent, I mean
Speaker 3: not super I mean legit top of the world balance.
Speaker 1: So that's the thing, is like we haven't had I mean,
Speaker 1: Danny Willett and Jimmy Walker are I mean the last.
Speaker 1: The next one would be I mean Duffner. I wouldn't
Speaker 1: consider Duffner really fluky either.
Speaker 2: No, he's good. He was good. Yeah, Keegan was kind
Speaker 2: of fluky, right, I mean, nobody really knew who Kegan was.
Speaker 2: He wasn't like he had a great amateur career or
Speaker 2: like anything that you would you know that that was
Speaker 2: kind of out of the blue and has progressed in
Speaker 2: the kind of what it was.
Speaker 1: Is Cabrera fluke in the sense that he won two
Speaker 1: majors a fluke that happened twice.
Speaker 3: Two majors in the Military Tribute. He's never actually won
Speaker 3: an event the Military Tribute.
Speaker 1: It's uh, I mean that's that's the thing is, Uh,
Speaker 1: there's there haven't been many fluccated that could be a
Speaker 1: byproduct of it. There is less variability in the golf
Speaker 1: tournament because it's almost a prerequisite to hit it three
Speaker 1: hundred yards unless you're Zach Johnson.
Speaker 2: I hope Keka's career finish this with like five majors
Speaker 2: and two PGA Tour victories.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. It could like, I mean, is
Speaker 1: that's kind of a crazy thing to have happened. Yeah, isause, what.
Speaker 3: Do you think it says more about him or the tour?
Speaker 3: I don't know that you answer that.
Speaker 1: I think it says more about the PGA Tour.
Speaker 2: Really.
Speaker 1: I think that it shows that the setups are soft
Speaker 1: and that I don't think it necessarily. I think when
Speaker 1: when you play true championship golf, it it really usually
Speaker 1: identified the the big dogs and and who's the best
Speaker 1: players in the world at that time. I think when
Speaker 1: and I maybe I'm overblowing majors, I don't know, but
Speaker 1: like his major record, in his PGA Tour record, there's
Speaker 1: something wrong there. You know, the guy is just an
Speaker 1: absolute beast in major championships. He was really good on
Speaker 1: the on the European Tour too, and then you know,
Speaker 1: on the on the PGA Tour, like he's like average,
Speaker 1: he's like a middle of the road PGA Tour player.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean, Tiger used to say he
Speaker 2: had no interest in playing the birdie fests, you know
Speaker 2: where he had to shoot twenty to win. He wanted
Speaker 2: to play the hard ones. But he still won. He
Speaker 2: won so often that I don't know that that really
Speaker 2: the facts quite add up.
Speaker 1: I think you can never consider Tiger Woods in any
Speaker 1: you know, comparison to anybody. Yeah, like that's it. It's
Speaker 1: it's crazy. But I don't know. I I guess like
Speaker 1: that's like I know that the thing with the tour
Speaker 1: is that they have parameters that they set a tournament
Speaker 1: up in and everything's within a certain parameter and nothing
Speaker 1: goes outside the box. Yeah, you know, And I would
Speaker 1: say that the major championship setups are typically outside of
Speaker 1: that parameter box that the PGA Tour has.
Speaker 3: I think that should start giving more control over to
Speaker 3: like title sponsors, do you like course set up, start
Speaker 3: getting things real tricked up, all weird, like you got
Speaker 3: like Big Jim Justice walking in, Yeah, putting like windmills
Speaker 3: on you know, holes, and it just it should just
Speaker 3: start like seating tours, just start seating control to like
Speaker 3: the horse, the host, sponsor and course.
Speaker 1: So so you just uh that se you know, the
Speaker 1: CEO interview on Sundays would be a lot more interesting too.
Speaker 1: There you go.
Speaker 2: That's dangerous because you can't just see it to the
Speaker 2: like the wild CEOs. Then you got to seat it
Speaker 2: all CEOs, and some of those CEOs are like the
Speaker 2: most boring, whitest dudes in the country. So like, what
Speaker 2: if they set up the most vanilla set up possible,
Speaker 2: like they already maybe they already are doing that thing.
Speaker 2: Like it's possible the setups could get worse in that scenario.
Speaker 2: It's a big it's a big risk. More out there. Yeah, sure,
Speaker 2: maybe Bob Parsons wants to sponsor a tournament and make
Speaker 2: it like crazy kom baby on every hole.
Speaker 1: You know, they he might make it, you know, mandatory
Speaker 1: to become a troop for the week.
Speaker 3: You got like the guy from Ballast Bar, like going
Speaker 3: like boisey boise state on the greens, like making them
Speaker 3: different colors.
Speaker 2: Get a little whacky.
Speaker 1: All right, let's uh, let's get into overrated and underrated.
Speaker 1: Unless you guys have any parting things or thoughts that
Speaker 1: you want to talk about about the PGA.
Speaker 3: No, No, I mean I was more like if we're
Speaker 3: doing the same Louis thing. I was like, my enthusiasm
Speaker 3: for this was like a like an seven to nine
Speaker 3: Jeff Fisher ram season. But I've like I've come around
Speaker 3: to it, like more of the you.
Speaker 2: Know, your ten and six Steelers season.
Speaker 3: Maybe fastest showing you know whatever. Maybe we'll get some
Speaker 3: good players.
Speaker 2: And Mike Mart's era kind of round. Yeah, yeah, just
Speaker 2: letting Mark Bulder get creamed.
Speaker 3: Like a crappy NFC West Division title, but like an
Speaker 3: early eggs in the playoffs.
Speaker 1: So you know, I just I look at these the players,
Speaker 1: and I look at so many of them if they
Speaker 1: don't win a major, if they don't win this major,
Speaker 1: like you could make a case that they've had a
Speaker 1: really bad season.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know.
Speaker 1: And there's so many big names that didn't haven't won
Speaker 1: a major, like just because of the way it is
Speaker 1: now with so many superstars and quotes and so few
Speaker 1: majors that this is That's the captivating thing about about
Speaker 1: the PGAs it's Glory's last chance, you know, last shot.
Speaker 2: I think maybe maybe PG Championship underrated.
Speaker 1: This is major.
Speaker 2: We taught at the beginning, we sort of were kind
Speaker 2: of down on the PGA, and now we've really talked
Speaker 2: ourselves into it's being super important. Well that's the thing.
Speaker 3: It's a major championship and those are special, and they're
Speaker 3: only four weeks a year. Like as much as apathy
Speaker 3: as you can have about different things around it, Like
Speaker 3: it's a major championship and there are only four a year.
Speaker 1: Not to not to bring this, not to bring this
Speaker 1: ship down, but TN T overrated, underrated.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm gonna punt on this. I don't know
Speaker 2: that I'm allowed to comment on other networks. Well I
Speaker 2: do not need to punt.
Speaker 3: I mean CNT, like before before bashing coverage became a thing.
Speaker 3: CNT is annual the worst broadcast of the year, like annually,
Speaker 3: and like they're in a tight spot. You gotta like
Speaker 3: cater to the host organization. So you get the things
Speaker 3: with like you know, the playing tips from Michael Breed
Speaker 3: just kind of hammering you over the head when you
Speaker 3: know players are actually playing golf. You know, you do
Speaker 3: the PGA professional stuff get you gotta kind of serve
Speaker 3: the host organization. But like it's just it's I mean,
Speaker 3: the experts before I started doing this for a living
Speaker 3: would always say it was the worst broadcast of the year,
Speaker 3: and I think it's kind of held that mantle. It's
Speaker 3: just a lot of commercials, a lot of just like
Speaker 3: fluff mixed in. I love Ernie Johnson, he's great, but
Speaker 3: it's just it's just a different and you get like
Speaker 3: the CBS production with a lot of kind of PGA
Speaker 3: of America fluff.
Speaker 2: It's it's not great, Yeah it is.
Speaker 1: It's it's abysmal. I mean, TNT knows drama that they
Speaker 1: do not know how to showcase golf drama. I don't think.
Speaker 1: I don't think you should be allowed to telecast a
Speaker 1: golf event if you don't telecast any other golf off
Speaker 1: events for an entire year, like you're just not going
Speaker 1: to be good at it. Yeah, Like like Tiger says,
Speaker 1: you need reps, that's true. Like it is let alone
Speaker 1: a major.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true. We've talked our friend Shane Bacon talks
Speaker 2: about how much better that their crew is now that
Speaker 2: they've gotten to do like the USAM and the Women's
Speaker 2: SAM and the you know, like even that's the thing
Speaker 2: where the PGA professionals go out and play against one another,
Speaker 2: like you just you do it together a lot and
Speaker 2: you get better at it. You're right, you can't be
Speaker 2: good unless you actually, you know, get the rims.
Speaker 3: Sounds like they're getting that Tiger VERSUSIL match by the way.
Speaker 1: They know drama. I can't wait for that match because
Speaker 1: then you know it will be like the NBA playoffs
Speaker 1: where I fall asleep with the coverage on and I
Speaker 1: wake up and Charmed charms on.
Speaker 2: Well, that's.
Speaker 3: That's the other thing, you know, how Fox goes Like
Speaker 3: Fox goes a lot. I'm at nine am, Like TNT
Speaker 3: comes on at like eleven, you know, Tiger goes off
Speaker 3: at eight twenty, and like we have to watch four
Speaker 3: episodes of SVU and you know, Charmed and Bones and
Speaker 3: all this other. Like CNT like doesn't have stuff going
Speaker 3: on on Thursday and Friday morning, but like they just
Speaker 3: like bleed you out and wait until like eleven am.
Speaker 2: I think I really enjoyed the part where Poreth gave
Speaker 2: like a really nuanced long thing and then Andy was
Speaker 2: just like, yeah, it's abysmos is the word of the podcast.
Speaker 2: All right, let's do more Overrated under.
Speaker 1: It, overrated, underrated, Nelly, helly.
Speaker 2: I had to hear a lot of Nelly, having covered
Speaker 2: the Ravens for all those years that was Ray Lewis's thing,
Speaker 2: and come out to Hot in Here, and so I
Speaker 2: definitely got weary of it. Uh definitely would say overrated.
Speaker 2: But I did hear like a like a Glee Club
Speaker 2: version of Hot in Here once it was like really
Speaker 2: enjoyable and maybe like rethink it, so I'm not going
Speaker 2: to like completely trash it. But mostly I'd say overrated.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I mean talking about Hot in Here is
Speaker 3: like talking about like twenty twenty fifteen Tiger Woods versus
Speaker 3: like two thousand. Like, no, I don't know why Hot
Speaker 3: in Here became a big thing. Like Country Grammar is
Speaker 3: one of the greatest rap songs all time. I remember
Speaker 3: exactly where I was when I heard it for the
Speaker 3: first time.
Speaker 2: Air Force ones is good.
Speaker 1: Up a fish, Don't Fry in the kitchen.
Speaker 3: I remember being a sophomore in high school a Country
Speaker 3: Grammar came on, Remember exactly like that song like whatever
Speaker 3: it got played a lot. But if you listen to
Speaker 3: that now, like you would still think that's good.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, draft on high school straight to the pros.
Speaker 3: I mean, Nelly, for that song alone is underrated, like
Speaker 3: that is.
Speaker 1: That is an all time Nelly. I was about the
Speaker 1: same age, and I'll never forget. My buddy had like
Speaker 1: one of the first disc drives that could rewrite CDs,
Speaker 1: so he just burned all of our buddies, you know,
Speaker 1: Nelly country grammar, and we, I mean we blasted that Nelly.
Speaker 1: Nelly's got a special place in my heart. Even though
Speaker 1: it's from Saint Louis. I will say Saint Louis way underrated.
Speaker 1: I'm a huge Cubs fan, but man, they love Cardinal
Speaker 1: Baseball way more than like any It's even healthy to
Speaker 1: love it, you know, so good sports city actually so.
Speaker 2: Overrated.
Speaker 1: Underrated slogans for major championships.
Speaker 2: Overrated of course.
Speaker 3: I mean this is like the issue is when you
Speaker 3: try to find something that's subjective and like force it
Speaker 3: down our throat and make it objective, like there's just
Speaker 3: like this, you know, Glory's last shot is just like
Speaker 3: it's just like a nonsense like subjective crazy marketing term.
Speaker 3: Live under par like what who got paid to do that?
Speaker 3: Like you just you get you just just say we
Speaker 3: have the strongest field in golf. That's an objective truth.
Speaker 3: They invite with the strongest field and major championship golf.
Speaker 3: They invite the top one hundred every year without fail
Speaker 3: like that, just like you don't need to say this
Speaker 3: is major. You don't need to say like Glory's last shot.
Speaker 3: Like the problem is you get these marketing terms marketing people,
Speaker 3: like that's how you get from the toughest test in
Speaker 3: golf to now the ultimate test in golf for the
Speaker 3: US Open. Like it's just stop trying to like play
Speaker 3: with words and just say what you are.
Speaker 2: I love it all right, I would say underrated in
Speaker 2: there like my like I enjoy I enjoy making lots
Speaker 2: of whites cracks about uh you know. I send a
Speaker 2: note to Comport this year and I was like, hey,
Speaker 2: are you going to be at the fifth Major? From
Speaker 2: the PJ And he's like fifth, We're like the seventh
Speaker 2: I want to be. I'm gonna hashtag a bunch of
Speaker 2: stuff like seventh Major, n seventh Major champion is Sanders.
Speaker 1: Shop, What was worse? What was worse Glory's last shot?
Speaker 1: Or this is major?
Speaker 2: This is major? It's not even close. I mean, I
Speaker 2: don't know. I think Glory's last shot is horrible.
Speaker 3: I mean, Glory's last shot is so like, oh, just
Speaker 3: like treacly and purple, like dumb. It's like a Jim
Speaker 3: Nancel Jim Nancys. But this is Major is so so
Speaker 3: base and stupid. I mean I'm not sure, Like I
Speaker 3: think we've overinflated like that. That thing's history. I did
Speaker 3: that last more than like a year. I think it
Speaker 3: lasted like a year, like it will last forever in
Speaker 3: our hearts and minds.
Speaker 2: Someone built a second home in Malibu based on This
Speaker 2: is Major. That's infuriating. It can't be that hard to
Speaker 2: be a marketing guy. That's what you come live under.
Speaker 2: Par and this is Major and Glory's last shot or
Speaker 2: like winning campaigns.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like anything, Usually things are the best when they
Speaker 1: just naturally happen, right, So they should just let it
Speaker 1: naturally go. I think they're starting to do that. I
Speaker 1: think they started to realize, yeah, hey, we it's like
Speaker 1: the why there's a backlash to the President's Cup and
Speaker 1: and why you know, people hate when you say that
Speaker 1: the Players is the fifth Major because if you try
Speaker 1: and force something, it's not going to work out. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, we haven't talked about Tiger at all, which
Speaker 1: is kind.
Speaker 2: Of absurd surprising.
Speaker 1: Actually, yeah, does he have any does he have any
Speaker 1: shot this week?
Speaker 2: Tiger's season over it and underrated, underrated, under underrated.
Speaker 1: I didn't think that guy was ever going to play
Speaker 1: golf again. Like ten months ago.
Speaker 3: He led a major on the back behind on Sunday
Speaker 3: he made at the Masters.
Speaker 1: Like he's playing golf like that is so exciting.
Speaker 3: He's a top He's had a top twenty five player
Speaker 3: in the world type season without a win.
Speaker 2: Totally. Do you guys ever get angry tweets from about
Speaker 2: people who are like why are you talking so much
Speaker 2: about Tiger? Like it's amazing, It's amazing how short sighted
Speaker 2: those are, Like, oh my god, of course I'm going
Speaker 2: to talk about Tiger like he was he could barely
Speaker 2: walk a year ago when he was leading a major
Speaker 2: this year, Like that's nuts it. We don't only talk
Speaker 2: about Tiger guy. We just spent an hour talking about
Speaker 2: agronomy and stuff like, but you know it's I mean,
Speaker 2: it's I spent a long time like following him around
Speaker 2: the beginning the year, and that's why I was in
Speaker 2: Riera and like thinking and wrote like a five thousand
Speaker 2: word essay, and it was like, you know, got like
Speaker 2: a million views our website. That got there a lot
Speaker 2: of people care about Tiger. It's Tiger is important.
Speaker 1: It's uh yeah, I uh he's He's important. I don't
Speaker 1: think he's gonna do well this week.
Speaker 2: I don't think so. I think he's gassed. He's pretty tired.
Speaker 2: He needs to take take a couple weeks off get
Speaker 2: ready for that FedEx Cup playoff Chase.
Speaker 1: Does he really need to get ready for that? Though?
Speaker 2: No, he needs to make the Ryder Cup team. Though
Speaker 2: Is he on the Ryder Cup team?
Speaker 1: I'd rather have him just take the whole FedEx Cup
Speaker 1: playoffs off?
Speaker 2: Wow? Yeahs Cup playoffs.
Speaker 1: I mean, like it adds nothing to his career. This
Speaker 1: is the whole thing. Like only thing that major matters
Speaker 1: for Tiger at this point forward is majors. Yes, that's
Speaker 1: the only thing that matters. Yeah, to a certain extent,
Speaker 1: Like that's where a lot of players get at the
Speaker 1: end of their career, where like Phil like another PGA
Speaker 1: tour when it doesn't matter. Majors are the only thing
Speaker 1: that really matter.
Speaker 3: So all right, I think Labner had a good article
Speaker 3: today about how is his swing speeds have gone down
Speaker 3: interesting every event six six months per hours since the
Speaker 3: Honda and just every event really since Walls far ago.
Speaker 3: And then a bunch of truthers started jumping in about
Speaker 3: how he switched his shaft and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: Crazy. But yeah, no, he's there's no reason for him
Speaker 2: to play the fact Cup.
Speaker 3: None, none, especially once could mean like going into the
Speaker 3: Ryder Cup. He played whatever six times and seven of it, like,
Speaker 3: it's just there's no reasons.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think he's a lock for the
Speaker 1: Ryder Cup as is, assuming he's healthy. So I don't
Speaker 1: think that's that's changing anything. So all right, guys, uh
Speaker 1: we will talk to you soon. Enjoy the PGA and
Speaker 1: uh yeah, thanks for coming on.
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