WEBVTT - A Dramatic Fall From Glory For Nick Nurse In Toronto

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<v Speaker 1>Cool, So let's move out of the CBA. I have

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<v Speaker 1>some general NBA questions too. Number One, I need to

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<v Speaker 1>know what's going on in Toronto because I I have

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<v Speaker 1>not seen someone go from beloved to a hot seat

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<v Speaker 1>to I need to take time to reflect. It's been

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<v Speaker 1>a decade and maybe I don't want to coach here anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>What's what's your take on how this is all got

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<v Speaker 1>to this place with Nick Nurse and his future around

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<v Speaker 1>the Raptors.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this is not any sourced reporting, but it's a

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<v Speaker 2>you know, gut gut feel on this is he's gone,

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<v Speaker 2>Like I don't you don't get to all this point

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<v Speaker 2>with all that noise, and then you with like five

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<v Speaker 2>or six games left in your season, you're like, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>I know we're getting ready to go into the most

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<v Speaker 2>important parts of our season in the playing tournament, maybe playoffs,

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<v Speaker 2>but let me just address this with you guys now,

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<v Speaker 2>because I don't want to do it again. Like that

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<v Speaker 2>could have been done, you know, before the last game

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<v Speaker 2>of the year. You could have done it. You could

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<v Speaker 2>have done it before your last postseason game, whatever it is.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think that was a you know, hey, we're

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<v Speaker 2>trying to do something here, over the next few weeks.

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<v Speaker 2>So let's just run with what we got. But I

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<v Speaker 2>think it's pretty clear that that's headed for divorce and

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<v Speaker 2>it's gonna go a different way. The whole I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 2>take weeks, and that might be turned into I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 2>take days because I have another job offer ready for me,

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<v Speaker 2>and here we go. Because like him or not, and

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<v Speaker 2>I think some of his antics are a little tiresome,

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<v Speaker 2>but Nick Nurse is a very very good coach, and

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<v Speaker 2>I think there's a handful of teams out there that

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<v Speaker 2>are gonna say, all right, hey, this is a guy,

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<v Speaker 2>whether it's lift us into title contention because we're already

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<v Speaker 2>a pretty good team, or we're not very good and

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<v Speaker 2>we want to be good. Let's get him in here

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<v Speaker 2>to kind of move us forward. He's gonna have very

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<v Speaker 2>good opportunities coming his way.

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<v Speaker 1>If because there's been a lot of rumors about him

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<v Speaker 1>maybe being linked to Houston, if he's already getting players

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<v Speaker 1>like ogn and Obi and Pascal Siakam to tune him out,

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<v Speaker 1>which is what the reporting is. In my opinion, Keith,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'd love to hear yours. There's no way he

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<v Speaker 1>would want to be a part of a rebuild with

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<v Speaker 1>that sort of roster, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't think so. I mean, we were already

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<v Speaker 2>hearing some of the things there were you know, port

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<v Speaker 2>Steven Silas is out there. They're telling us openly like

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<v Speaker 2>these guys don't listen. I tell them what to do,

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<v Speaker 2>and then they don't run the plays, they don't do

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<v Speaker 2>this other stuff, and it's like, yeah, I think that

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<v Speaker 2>probably my guess would be if we see Nick Nurse

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<v Speaker 2>headed to Houston, we're gonna see Houston turning their fifty

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<v Speaker 2>million into cap space and we're signing some veterans, we're

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<v Speaker 2>trading some of these kids in packages, and we're turning

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<v Speaker 2>this thing very quickly into where where we're going forward

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<v Speaker 2>with this. I also don't get the sense that Houston's

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<v Speaker 2>ownership is let's say, the most patient in the world.

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<v Speaker 2>They gets all right, we did this kind of rebuild

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<v Speaker 2>thing for a couple of years. Now let's be good again.

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<v Speaker 2>So I think that could be part of if that

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<v Speaker 2>all comes together, like we're hearing some of the rumors,

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<v Speaker 2>I think you might see that turn into let's push

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<v Speaker 2>this thing forward very very quickly.

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<v Speaker 1>Another rebuilding team that has questions around it's coaching. Rumors

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<v Speaker 1>are that Pop doesn't know if he's coming back in

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<v Speaker 1>San Antonio. He's not going to make a decision until

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<v Speaker 1>he finds out whether they're getting Victor WOMPI gamma? Is that?

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<v Speaker 1>Is that kind of the long and the short of it.

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<v Speaker 2>I kind of feel like it might be right. I

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<v Speaker 2>think he's kind of looking at and saying, hey, you're

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<v Speaker 2>going to deliver me a you know, not that they're

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<v Speaker 2>the same kind of player, but give me another Tim Duncan.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm here. I'll be here next year. If it's you know,

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<v Speaker 2>we slipped in the lottery and we're getting you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the third pick or whatever. That guy's probably pretty good.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'm kind of good. I've I've done this. I think,

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<v Speaker 2>well we I kind of I don't think Pop's going

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<v Speaker 2>to be the kind of guy necessarily. I know some

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<v Speaker 2>people have said like he's going to retire and then

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<v Speaker 2>if you see him again, it's gonna because you're part

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<v Speaker 2>of his inner circle and you're at one of his

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<v Speaker 2>wine dinners. I don't know if that's gonna be how

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<v Speaker 2>it goes. I remember different sport, but kind of similar

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<v Speaker 2>type thing. I remember hearing Bobby Bowden Joe Paturno talked

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<v Speaker 2>for years about, Hey, if I'm not a football coach,

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<v Speaker 2>what am I right? And at this point in my life,

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<v Speaker 2>this is what kind of keeps me going, gets me

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<v Speaker 2>up every day, is to do this. So I kind

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<v Speaker 2>of wonder if Pop's like, hey, if I'm not in basketball,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think it's been Forgotton because he's been coaching

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<v Speaker 2>for so long, came out of the front office, and

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<v Speaker 2>he came out of the front office because it was hey,

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<v Speaker 2>we built a mess of a team. I should be

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<v Speaker 2>the one who has to deal with this. And then

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<v Speaker 2>they you know, lottery odds as the Celtics guy. I

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<v Speaker 2>remember quite well we were supposed to get Tim Duncan

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<v Speaker 2>and Keith van Horn with Rick Patino and ended up

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<v Speaker 2>with Chauncey Billups and Ron Mercer instead. I think Pop

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<v Speaker 2>might be like, hey, i can go back and do

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<v Speaker 2>some work in the front office again, and I'll still

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<v Speaker 2>be around and kind of doing my thing. And I think,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, a handful of his kind of people who

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<v Speaker 2>presume maybe to be his successors, they've kind of moved on,

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<v Speaker 2>gone on because he just keeps doing it. But it

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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't surprise me if they get one min Yama if

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<v Speaker 2>he's right back on the bench again kind of Hey,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna do my thing and waiting it out until

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<v Speaker 2>the absolute right. Personally, he feels like I'm ready to

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<v Speaker 2>hand this off to is available.

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<v Speaker 1>In the beginning of the season, I told somebody who

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<v Speaker 1>works for the front office of the Spurs. I said,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it's it's such a young, fresh team. The

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<v Speaker 1>way that they're running the offense feels so different. It's

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<v Speaker 1>almost like you forget sometimes that it's Pop running the show.

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<v Speaker 1>And their response to me was, we never forget. We

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<v Speaker 1>know every day who's running the show. Is the question,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess is like, what does that really mean?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? I think sometimes what that is is, hey, we

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<v Speaker 2>like he's now instead of the I'm in there every

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<v Speaker 2>single day grinding with this, he kind of becomes like, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>I oversee this operation, right, I've got somebody's kind of

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<v Speaker 2>running the defense, somebody who's kind of running this. And

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<v Speaker 2>that's in general how NBA teams kind of work. I

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<v Speaker 2>think one of the misnomers is that, you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>think because people know NFL coaches love to talk about

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<v Speaker 2>I sleep in my office and I get two hours

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<v Speaker 2>of sleep a night and I'm breaking down film for

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<v Speaker 2>you know, one hundred hours a week, and it's like, well, why, like,

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<v Speaker 2>what more did you learn than that one hundred hours

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<v Speaker 2>that couldn't have learned in forty But I think it's

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<v Speaker 2>with the NBA coaches then people think like they're heavily involved,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think sometimes it's they've they've their responsibilities, get

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<v Speaker 2>farmed out to a lot of people and they kind

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<v Speaker 2>of do their thing, and then what happens with the

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<v Speaker 2>coach is like, all right, now I collect all that

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<v Speaker 2>information and I formed that into what we want to do.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think for Pop one of the cool things was,

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<v Speaker 2>I think it was a year ago, we had a

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<v Speaker 2>chance to talk to him and he was like, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm kind of re energized by this, like I've got

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<v Speaker 2>a bunch of kids in here now and where then

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<v Speaker 2>he said, you know what's cool is we tell them

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<v Speaker 2>to do something, they go out, they screwed up ten times,

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<v Speaker 2>and then they finally get it right. It's like, oh man,

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<v Speaker 2>they got it. Now, Now we can take that, we

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<v Speaker 2>can build onto that with piece number two, and you

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<v Speaker 2>just kind of keep adding to it. And I think

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<v Speaker 2>he's been a little bit re energized by some of

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<v Speaker 2>that stuff. But my guess is it's probably a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit more of a shared responsibility within the organization than

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<v Speaker 2>it is so much. Hey, Pop's really fully running everything

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<v Speaker 2>the way it probably was during most of the Duncan

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<v Speaker 2>Genobili Parker years.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And the sense that I got was maybe that

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<v Speaker 1>they're some of the people there are ready for a

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<v Speaker 1>regime change to take place too. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I kind of wonder if the talent bleed out of

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<v Speaker 2>the organization with assistant coaches was Man, I can't wait

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<v Speaker 2>here and be the number two for a million years,

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<v Speaker 2>Like I gotta go. Like like if we if we

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<v Speaker 2>were to talk about college basketball, it was like I remember,

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<v Speaker 2>for like twenty years, it was black guy's gonna take

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<v Speaker 2>over for coach k. Yeah, then it was well he's

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<v Speaker 2>still here, and Neil and then it was you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Tommy Amaker and Chris Collins and all these guys were

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<v Speaker 2>and see what house they were all the next guy

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<v Speaker 2>and they were all they all had to go and

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<v Speaker 2>we even go other places, and it was like, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I kind of wonder if you know the the you know,

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<v Speaker 2>will Hardy's and Becky Hammond and Quinn Snyder's and he

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<v Speaker 2>may Udoka and all the ones who were under pop

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<v Speaker 2>all had to go other places. And then eventually it

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<v Speaker 2>was like, all right, now I got my shot at

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<v Speaker 2>the top job, and I'm kind of running my show.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, where do we go with this? I think

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<v Speaker 2>that's probably a little bit of what's going on there.

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<v Speaker 2>It maybe it was, man, if you'd gone a year

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<v Speaker 2>or ago or two years ago, we could have had

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<v Speaker 2>this coach slid them right into the top spot move forward,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's just not how it has gone.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I do want to get your thoughts on the

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<v Speaker 1>play in tournament as a whole. Now it's a permanent fixture.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think it worked out how you originally thought

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<v Speaker 1>it would or or is it better or worse?

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<v Speaker 2>Better? Way better? I was not I don't want to

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<v Speaker 2>say it wasn't a fan when they did it for

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<v Speaker 2>the bubble season. I fully got it because you had

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<v Speaker 2>to do something. You couldn't come and play a million

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<v Speaker 2>games in the bubble. That was just not gonna be

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<v Speaker 2>how it went down. So I was like, all right,

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<v Speaker 2>I kind of like what they did with with the

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<v Speaker 2>Bubble year, and then they kind of tweaked and adjusted.

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<v Speaker 2>I still part of me kind of wishes and this

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<v Speaker 2>year is different because these teams are all right there

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<v Speaker 2>that if hey, if you're the tenth seed but you're

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<v Speaker 2>twelve games behind the nine seed, thanks for playing, but

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<v Speaker 2>your season's over. We don't need you involved in a thing, right,

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<v Speaker 2>you're you stink and get out. But I think it's

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<v Speaker 2>this year, right, These teams are all right pretty close

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<v Speaker 2>to each other within a couple of games, and I

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<v Speaker 2>think what it's done is it's given the NBA as

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<v Speaker 2>close as wherever you get to our version of March Madness,

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<v Speaker 2>right where it's single game elimination kind of there. I know,

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<v Speaker 2>you lose the first one, you get that second shot

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<v Speaker 2>at it. But it's pretty cool to watch those games knowing, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>this is all on the line, right, It's like we

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<v Speaker 2>get up you know, a week, you know, a week

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<v Speaker 2>of game sevens almost you know in the thing. And

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<v Speaker 2>and that to me is, you know a lot of fun.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's a really cool process as we you know,

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<v Speaker 2>have and able to get that and then it's like,

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<v Speaker 2>all right, we had that fun, and now we go

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<v Speaker 2>into the playoffs. And one of the biggest things I

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<v Speaker 2>love about the NBA playoffs is the best team usually

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<v Speaker 2>wins because you're gonna you're tested, right, you've got to

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<v Speaker 2>win four times in seven games, and you got to

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<v Speaker 2>do that four times in a row, and that is Hey,

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<v Speaker 2>it wasn't just one bad shooting night knocked us out,

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<v Speaker 2>but we still get that taste of the NCAA tournament.

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<v Speaker 2>One bad shooting night knocked us out through the playing tournament.

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<v Speaker 2>So I think it's been a massive success. Not only that,

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<v Speaker 2>the combination of the play in tournament plus the flat

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<v Speaker 2>and lottery odds, which means you don't need to be

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<v Speaker 2>horrendously bad from you know, the season opener to make

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<v Speaker 2>sure you can get victa win Binyami. You just need

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<v Speaker 2>to be bad, like kind of naturally bad. Those two things.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, we it's only this week, with less than

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<v Speaker 2>a week to go in the season, that we're starting

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<v Speaker 2>to get more than the worst four teams in the

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<v Speaker 2>league eliminated from playoff contention. That's massive win to me

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<v Speaker 2>is teams had something to play for, you know, almost

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<v Speaker 2>all the way to the end of the year, you

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<v Speaker 2>into last week, and that's where we're starting to eliminate

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<v Speaker 2>our teams. That's a major, major success and everybody should

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<v Speaker 2>feel pretty good about.

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<v Speaker 1>That awesome stuff. Thank you so much for breaking it

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<v Speaker 1>all down. That is all the time that we have

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