Speaker 1: Guys, welcome back to look back at it in today's guests.
Speaker 1: I'm actually super excited to have today's guest because i
Speaker 1: am just.
Speaker 2: A huge fan.
Speaker 1: Yes, we have called Jones in the building, producer, writer, actor.
Speaker 1: You made no call from his work on The Boon Dogs.
Speaker 1: You also made no call from his work as a
Speaker 1: writer and producer on The Last O G also Black Dynamite,
Speaker 1: which is a classic in my opinion. You just made
Speaker 1: no call from bumping into him out in the streets.
Speaker 1: Carl Jones, thank you so much for being here.
Speaker 3: Ohra wait, Carl, being do you do you do you
Speaker 3: corroborate the out in the streets allegations that.
Speaker 4: You just received?
Speaker 5: Wait the work she said?
Speaker 3: You know you might see him out in the streets.
Speaker 3: You be out in the streets like that.
Speaker 4: I'm just checking.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 3: Sometimes people be like, oh, I'm not really out in
Speaker 3: the streets, but okay, I'll take it.
Speaker 6: But you out here now, I'm in I'm in these
Speaker 6: anime streets, I'm in these I'm in these animated streets,
Speaker 6: in these comedy streets.
Speaker 4: Okay, okay, Carls outside all right.
Speaker 1: The year you chose was two thousand in two, I like,
Speaker 1: so it's kind of start with the guests and kind
Speaker 1: of just get a sense of who you were in
Speaker 1: two thousand and two. Where are you in life? Like,
Speaker 1: how old are you? What are you doing? Why is
Speaker 1: this year particularly stood out to you?
Speaker 6: So I'll say I was young. I was really young,
Speaker 6: but I was also there was a lot of crazy
Speaker 6: things happening this year. You know, it was like a
Speaker 6: turning point for me.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 6: So I was heavily, heavily, heavily into the bootleg movie game,
Speaker 6: right right, So I was. I was literally like I
Speaker 6: was like the Tony of the bootleg movies. I was selling,
Speaker 6: I had, I had Nigga's working for me and sh
Speaker 6: I was. I was doing it. I was doing it big.
Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: I was.
Speaker 5: I want to get my age. Let's just say I was.
Speaker 5: I was young. I was. I was. I was on
Speaker 5: my own crib, you know what I mean. Life was
Speaker 5: life and at the time, but.
Speaker 2: You had a wife at this time, I did have
Speaker 2: a wife. You're supporting a family on bootleg movies.
Speaker 6: Yes, yes, that was yeh th in a couple of
Speaker 6: watches and CDs and stuff like that.
Speaker 5: So you were, you.
Speaker 3: Were in the Barbershop, Quintessential c D d v d S, CDs, DVDs.
Speaker 5: That was that was you. I was in the streets.
Speaker 4: Okay, I understand what's right. You've been in these streets,
Speaker 4: the streets.
Speaker 2: I sold you a nice little techno morey.
Speaker 4: We got got.
Speaker 3: Okay, sorry, So we were so, you know, most of
Speaker 3: us are familiar with the bootleg industry. I will ask
Speaker 3: what was the how would you measure, on a scale
Speaker 3: of one to ten, the quality of your bootleg movie?
Speaker 3: Because there's a there's a there's a there's a legger
Speaker 3: of scale there, let's talk bootlegs.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's funny. It's funny you mentioned that, right, because
Speaker 6: I got a funny story about that. So I actually
Speaker 6: thought my quality.
Speaker 5: Was really really good.
Speaker 6: But they bootleg movie, so it's only so good good
Speaker 6: it's gonna be. But but there was a moment, and
Speaker 6: this was kind of a turning point for me also,
Speaker 6: which kind of sent me there, you know, you know,
Speaker 6: pursuing my career goals because I actually almost got shot
Speaker 6: over a bootleg movie.
Speaker 5: Okay, you know what I'm saying, it over the quality
Speaker 5: of it.
Speaker 6: So I was so originally from Fairville, North Carolina, right,
Speaker 6: and but I was at the time. I was in Greensboro,
Speaker 6: North Carolina, and I used to have this van and
Speaker 6: we used to pull.
Speaker 5: Up, me and my home, me and my homie.
Speaker 6: We used to pull up at this It was like
Speaker 6: a convenience store that was right behind the projects, right,
Speaker 6: so like the clubs were let out around two o'clock
Speaker 6: in the morning, and so you get a lot of
Speaker 6: traffic come through. So we were post up and we
Speaker 6: have a movie and stuff. So this guy came through
Speaker 6: right and he was he brought a movie back and
Speaker 6: never forget because it was an old movie. It was
Speaker 6: like it was like I was, it was Flubber. It
Speaker 6: was it was like because you know I we keep
Speaker 6: like the kids movies.
Speaker 4: He was, he was. He was doing Happiness Child. That's guy.
Speaker 4: I need this guy.
Speaker 1: I did a picture of a guy who comes back
Speaker 1: pissed off about flubber.
Speaker 6: Long white tea grills. You know what I'm saying, bag baggy,
Speaker 6: baggy echo jeans.
Speaker 3: Wait a minute, Wait a minute, did you see a
Speaker 3: flubber to a member of crime mob?
Speaker 4: Is that what happened?
Speaker 5: It had to be so.
Speaker 6: But he so he walks up to me and he's
Speaker 6: like he was like, yo, bro, he was like, I
Speaker 6: want I want to get my money back. He was like,
Speaker 6: you know this movie. He's watching this movie with my daughter,
Speaker 6: and like a nigga gets up in the middle of
Speaker 6: the movie and walks in front, walks in front of
Speaker 6: the screen.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 6: So I was like, well, when you go to a
Speaker 6: real movie theater, if the nigga gets up and walks
Speaker 6: in front of you, you can't get your money back.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but in a real movie theater, your daughter's not going, daddy,
Speaker 1: what's your off?
Speaker 3: And that person I can't visibly say, excuse me, excuse me,
Speaker 3: excuse me, gotta go to the bathroom.
Speaker 4: And then they got to come back from the bathroom too.
Speaker 1: This was this was this guy trying to like fix
Speaker 1: things with his fucking family.
Speaker 2: You do know that. He was like he was on
Speaker 2: the outs.
Speaker 4: Of this family shared custody and ship.
Speaker 2: He's like, what you want, She's like, all I want
Speaker 2: to do is se flupper.
Speaker 1: He's like, I can't do this this thing.
Speaker 4: Just let me go get a hair cut real quick school.
Speaker 2: In the last six months, I.
Speaker 1: May not have paid an ounce of child support, but
Speaker 1: I can come through.
Speaker 4: I can go get you fluvering. You had one job, Carl,
Speaker 4: one job, one job.
Speaker 2: Kid taking from him, baby.
Speaker 4: She said, she said, I'm never going tonber Daddy's house
Speaker 4: ever again. It's all cars.
Speaker 5: His whole life was down here.
Speaker 6: So so anyways, I thought it was at the time,
Speaker 6: I thought it was a clever comeback ship. He didn't
Speaker 6: so like, he actually leaves pissed off and he comes
Speaker 6: back through with a in a car with a bunch
Speaker 6: of niggas in also fit that same description. And he's
Speaker 6: on the passenger seat. He has this arm on the window,
Speaker 6: and this arm I can't see. So I immediately got
Speaker 6: the sense that something bad was going to happen. So
Speaker 6: me and my boyhood, you know, we were standing in
Speaker 6: front of my band, and as soon as I saw
Speaker 6: the car start creeping up, I just told him to
Speaker 6: hit the hit the floor. And as soon as he
Speaker 6: as soon as we hit the ground, he pulled out
Speaker 6: a gun and just started shooting. He shot the windows
Speaker 6: of my band right, you know, and then he like
Speaker 6: sped off down the street, and my boyhood was like, yo,
Speaker 6: let's go get the niggas.
Speaker 5: I'm like about the like bruy, I like that.
Speaker 1: Everybody was willing to die for this DV I was
Speaker 1: about to say, you everybody war.
Speaker 2: Go to war.
Speaker 3: And I'm wondering, like, do you think the creator is
Speaker 3: a flubber ever imagined in a million years that this
Speaker 3: that this movie would cause a shootout in I don't
Speaker 3: think they ever wants everyone's mind.
Speaker 1: And in the words of Boon Dogs, would cause a
Speaker 1: nigga moment.
Speaker 4: All that is such a funny story.
Speaker 6: Because you know, I think it's about principal with niggas.
Speaker 6: You know, it's principal my daughter.
Speaker 4: My daughter was upset she didn'tet to see the movie
Speaker 4: that she wanted to.
Speaker 1: It's also when you're already like half ass and stuff
Speaker 1: like like like like.
Speaker 2: Black people, you know, we're we're a culture of.
Speaker 1: Cutting corners sometimes and when you're always kind of half
Speaker 1: fashion a little bit, it's like you already kind of
Speaker 1: got that that level of shade more.
Speaker 2: You're like, I couldn't just go buy flubber.
Speaker 4: I couldn't just go to the.
Speaker 2: I already had to do it in sway. I already
Speaker 2: had to make a deal out of the back of
Speaker 2: a van.
Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, now did you put it like that?
Speaker 6: Definitely help It definitely helps me understand why he was
Speaker 6: so mad.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know so as far as so so Carl.
Speaker 3: You when it comes to like these DVDs, were you
Speaker 3: responsible yourself for going into the theater and having had
Speaker 3: that question, or were you getting.
Speaker 4: This distributed from.
Speaker 3: Somebody like African?
Speaker 1: Are you going to the African hub in the African Whitehouse.
Speaker 1: You're getting them from the African hub. So you the
Speaker 1: African is a supplier. You going, You're getting your little
Speaker 1: distribution supply for your market.
Speaker 5: Uh huh bingo.
Speaker 6: Exactly exactly happened, and so and basically, I mean I
Speaker 6: didn't really know how to get started because well, when
Speaker 6: I first started, I was making my own.
Speaker 5: So I went to reticenter.
Speaker 6: And I got a bunch of I got a bunch
Speaker 6: of I got a bunch of VCRs, and I was
Speaker 6: just making my own.
Speaker 2: And the same wife is with you now. It was
Speaker 2: with you there.
Speaker 5: Yeah no no, no, no no no, we're together now.
Speaker 4: That slubber shootout. She was like, I got.
Speaker 3: As, I don't know what you got going on over
Speaker 3: here to be let's make a little I knew, I
Speaker 3: knew when we met. I knew when we met. I said,
Speaker 3: I like a nigga with some hustle, but not like this.
Speaker 3: But this is getting dangerous.
Speaker 4: Oh man, good good luck, good luck.
Speaker 2: Got a bluing d.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because she gotta tell that story too.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 6: I'm like, I'm like, I need to be selling coked
Speaker 6: like this is crazy risk.
Speaker 2: The risk had it up?
Speaker 1: Oh man, So you were making the like so you're
Speaker 1: just recording stuff off TV?
Speaker 5: Now, So I was I had I had actually had
Speaker 5: an African connect in Harlem. I was literally I was literally.
Speaker 6: Driving nine hours from from North Carolina to New York
Speaker 6: and back sometimes. I mean I would literally pick up
Speaker 6: movies and come back and so and it was it
Speaker 6: was one six it was around the one sixteenth and
Speaker 6: Linux area where like this, they basically had this whole
Speaker 6: Now I'm about the now, about the but what's over now?
Speaker 5: I guess I could expose them. They either did.
Speaker 2: Movies by stealing them from.
Speaker 5: Yeah right, so way more respect to projects.
Speaker 6: But under the projects they had like a whole underground operation.
Speaker 6: The ship was crazy like they so they took me.
Speaker 6: They took me down, you know, underneath the building one time.
Speaker 1: Don't tell us too much because there's definitely another operation
Speaker 1: under those projects. We don't know what it is. But
Speaker 1: the operation doesn't just stop, it just switches. So there's
Speaker 1: deitely something going on under those projects.
Speaker 6: Yeah, so we were so we were copying for about
Speaker 6: like maybe two dollars a piece and were selling them
Speaker 6: at ten dollars.
Speaker 5: But two thousand and two was.
Speaker 6: Right around the age of what you know, digital started
Speaker 6: taking over, so like the game started right the game
Speaker 6: started changing it. So I was catching niggas on the
Speaker 6: street selling DVDs now for like you know, like shit,
Speaker 6: like they were something like two two for ten, and
Speaker 6: they eventually it was like two for five, and I'm like,
Speaker 6: you know what I'm saying, it got crazy.
Speaker 2: You could get you could get four for fifteen.
Speaker 5: See yeah, joints and if you found.
Speaker 1: The right DVD dude, you could get the ones with
Speaker 1: the year consideration on them, and those was just.
Speaker 4: Like the f C.
Speaker 1: Get the fy C and those was the ones you wanted,
Speaker 1: like get that.
Speaker 3: Now niggas are in the voting guild, what I'm saying,
Speaker 3: making decisions. You know, I'm often curious like about how
Speaker 3: influential the bootleg industry could have been, especially to black films,
Speaker 3: Like if like if if the bootleg industry had.
Speaker 4: Any bearing on Oscars.
Speaker 3: We could have gotten like paid in for nominated, We
Speaker 3: could have gotten like official nominated, we could have got
Speaker 3: Brown Sugar nominated. But those numbers, honestly, I think there
Speaker 3: was there's a there's an argument to be made that
Speaker 3: bootleg numbers should count towards box office.
Speaker 1: But you think about it, like, are no different now
Speaker 1: than like Spotify numbers? Yeah, like a streaming number, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Yeah, I remember when I first
Speaker 1: got my f y c's when I.
Speaker 2: First was like, my first thought was like I could probably.
Speaker 3: When I first got I was literally when I first
Speaker 3: got mine, I was literally sending them to my family.
Speaker 2: I was like, you know, I could probably get get
Speaker 2: little money off enjoy it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Carl, what would you say if you could, if
Speaker 3: you could like recollect this far back, Like, what would
Speaker 3: you say was your most bootlegged film?
Speaker 4: But was the most popular of these?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Moving he had like there was some big movies out
Speaker 4: in two thousand and two.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think I think it was, oh, in two
Speaker 6: thousand and two. I don't know about two thousand.
Speaker 4: Or in general.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but in general I got the hook up that which.
Speaker 3: Was literally what you were doing, and that was master P.
Speaker 2: Correct, you I got that master P. Yeah, that was
Speaker 2: a very popular movie.
Speaker 3: The early two thousands was really a big moment for
Speaker 3: rappers becoming actors. Oh, all about the Benjamin's as well.
Speaker 3: I mean Ice Cube talk about a career trajectory, like
Speaker 3: literally went from n w A to being everybody's following.
Speaker 1: What we got Cube as early as Boys in the Hood,
Speaker 1: you know, like Cubes turns actor Boys in the Hood.
Speaker 1: I think from then on where we have ice QB.
Speaker 3: Carl Have you ever had any Have you ever had
Speaker 3: any like encounters are running with somebody who's movie you
Speaker 3: bootleggs back in the day.
Speaker 6: I mean it's funny because I know a lot of
Speaker 6: them and work with them now, but I don't I
Speaker 6: don't really talk about this life of you know, I
Speaker 6: don't know how you saw how their paychecks were affected.
Speaker 3: You saw that little government disclaimer to beginning the meal,
Speaker 3: was like, I don't know who's doing all of that.
Speaker 3: Couldn't be me, that's right, y'all bootlegging in here, but not.
Speaker 5: Right. It is kind of surreal.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're like a reverse Ryan Coogler.
Speaker 3: Right, That isn't astute observation. Observation from the industry that
Speaker 3: is now giving you the lifestyle that you've always wanted.
Speaker 3: You said, I will not have a regular job, no
Speaker 3: matter I will. I will take from this industry before
Speaker 3: I ever do anything else. And I respect that that.
Speaker 5: It's not brilliant. That is brilliant.
Speaker 6: But but Yo, But what's funny about it is because
Speaker 6: I used to get movies in so fast, and there
Speaker 6: was always new stuff coming out so often, I've never
Speaker 6: really got a chance to watch them all.
Speaker 5: So I would literally look at the.
Speaker 6: Picture or I would read some of the description on
Speaker 6: the back, and I was pitching these movies in the
Speaker 6: streets like like I like I knew what I was
Speaker 6: talking about, not knowing that when I worked in this business.
Speaker 6: Actually it helped, like you know what I'm saying, Like
Speaker 6: my tools got really really nice with pitching because I
Speaker 6: was pitching it.
Speaker 5: I didn't even watch.
Speaker 1: No, you got to understand the flubber is a magical substance.
Speaker 4: Not yours, like doctor Umar.
Speaker 2: That Nigga didn't even want to watch. Flubberd actually something
Speaker 2: from a baby girl.
Speaker 6: Tailor the pitch to whoever you pay your tailor, the
Speaker 6: pitch to whoever you're talking to I'm.
Speaker 3: So happy you were able to avoid the government being
Speaker 3: involved in your hustle.
Speaker 5: I'm so happy I didn't. I didn't actually not only did.
Speaker 4: Just did the streets come for you?
Speaker 2: But the justice is the Wow, you're living the life
Speaker 2: of a real criminal.
Speaker 6: What the time the movie industry was like really trying
Speaker 6: to like clamp down on it. Yeah, so like I had,
Speaker 6: like the fans, I had a couple of runners.
Speaker 1: With the wall, just like the woman drugs kind of
Speaker 1: feels like an attack on and I want to hear this,
Speaker 1: but just like the war Dukes, it kind of feels
Speaker 1: like an attack on black people specifically because it's like
Speaker 1: movie industry, how much money are you really losing from niggas.
Speaker 3: Truly, especially if they're buying black movies. I only really
Speaker 3: knew black movies.
Speaker 1: You don't know a lot of white people that were
Speaker 1: participating in this behavior.
Speaker 4: Like did you blue leg Monster's ball?
Speaker 5: I doubt it.
Speaker 4: Is naked?
Speaker 3: Okay, you got that scene for niggas got.
Speaker 1: Halle Berry's titties was out. Niggas is buying that just
Speaker 1: for that. Karl was telling that ship and telling them
Speaker 1: where the titty was. She's coming at.
Speaker 4: Right here at.
Speaker 3: Fifty four fifty five. That's that's when the titties cover you.
Speaker 3: You you made sure that you made sure that niggas
Speaker 3: heads was not in the way of the titty I
Speaker 3: met Niggas re seated for that.
Speaker 4: Niggas was seated for that. Get up any other moment
Speaker 4: during the morning.
Speaker 1: Really, what the problem is that Flubber is such a
Speaker 1: low value movie that the Africans didn't even care.
Speaker 2: They saw the head. They was like, nobody's getting Flubber
Speaker 2: and they just moved right past it. But Mister's ball,
Speaker 2: They're gonna make sure.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, in front of the Teddies.
Speaker 2: Cracked down on you.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 6: So how I found this out was I came back
Speaker 6: from New York one time, had a van full of stuff,
Speaker 6: and it was like two in the morning.
Speaker 5: I pulled up.
Speaker 6: You know, my wife was sleep or whatever, and I
Speaker 6: was just like, yo, you know, I got to oh,
Speaker 6: I had to run to the store to get some
Speaker 6: pampers or something, I believe, And so I didn't unpack
Speaker 6: the stuff from the van.
Speaker 5: I just went to the store.
Speaker 6: I didn't know they was watching me, so I went
Speaker 6: so yeah, So so I went around the corner to
Speaker 6: the store in her car Right.
Speaker 5: But when I came back, she was in the house.
Speaker 6: With the face. They was in the house. There was
Speaker 6: confiscating every single.
Speaker 5: Movie that I just want you.
Speaker 6: They got everything from the van and any any movie
Speaker 6: I had in the house, even if it was your
Speaker 6: family vacation.
Speaker 5: If it was they took every single video tape DVD.
Speaker 2: You can't be trusted with no video images.
Speaker 3: Yeah, all your family, all your family memory memories.
Speaker 4: This shit is under investigation.
Speaker 3: Also, don't be don't be a Disney that's trademark, that's
Speaker 3: that's copyright first in the Disney world.
Speaker 2: She just had him in the house, bro, She like
Speaker 2: the mother from Blow. She just let him in.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that was the thing.
Speaker 6: And I was like, but you know, she didn't come
Speaker 6: from that element, so she didn't really you know what
Speaker 6: I mean.
Speaker 5: She just like they knocked, they told it, open the door,
Speaker 5: and she did. She didn't know that there was a
Speaker 5: whole ring right right right.
Speaker 6: So And there was another time I was at a
Speaker 6: comic book shop, believe it or not, in Greensboro, North Carolina.
Speaker 6: I swear to you, I'm sitting, I'm standing, I'm standing
Speaker 6: at the comic book rack, and I'm looking at a
Speaker 6: book and this this white dude and just playing clothes.
Speaker 6: He steps next to me and he's like, so, what
Speaker 6: kind of movies you got? And that's the first I'm
Speaker 6: thinking he's just a customer. So I'm like, I'm like,
Speaker 6: you know what I mean, like so so, But I
Speaker 6: started asking some questions and I realized.
Speaker 4: It's a sting operation, exactly exactly and so and so.
Speaker 6: But it was too late. He already took everything. He
Speaker 6: took everything I had in the car. And then I
Speaker 6: just started realizing like, okay, they're just keeping a close.
Speaker 5: Eye on me. So yeah, yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: I needed to stop.
Speaker 1: Making government waste money on that's a whole sting operation
Speaker 1: you gotta go through to do this.
Speaker 3: Because I was gonna somewhere I was going to ask
Speaker 3: if you had ever sold to a white person, like
Speaker 3: any bootleg copies of the movies and stuff like that.
Speaker 3: But then you just answer my question, and that turned
Speaker 3: out to be to your demise.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Well, we used.
Speaker 6: To get stopped because on the New Jersey Turnpike we
Speaker 6: could stop, uh, you know a few times, and like
Speaker 6: the troopers would just take movies and leave.
Speaker 5: They wouldn't even arrest us or writers.
Speaker 6: So they would just be like, what you got, you
Speaker 6: know what I'm saying, take a bunch of movies and
Speaker 6: let us go.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 1: I was like, this is a good thing to be
Speaker 1: a staate tube where you come home with like a
Speaker 1: like DVD, some microwaves, half a yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, get whatever you want, money you want.
Speaker 2: Five thousand, yeah.
Speaker 4: Baby, we don't got to worry about it.
Speaker 5: For the week.
Speaker 4: I got everything we need.
Speaker 3: A bus and now later it's just like, yeah, you're.
Speaker 4: Right, thoughts man. There was so much.
Speaker 3: There were so many other things the government really should
Speaker 3: have been preoccupied with absolutely instead of Carl flipping barbershop.
Speaker 2: We had, right, it was a year of a lot
Speaker 2: going on.
Speaker 1: I don't know how much you remember about this year,
Speaker 1: but you know, we we had our research and dig
Speaker 1: deep and we were pulling some stuff that we felt
Speaker 1: was super interesting to us. I know, I mean, the
Speaker 1: Homeland Security Act gets dropped in two thousand and two,
Speaker 1: and here we are now.
Speaker 4: Here we are now and here we are now you.
Speaker 5: Know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Bush set this thing in emotion and now and now
Speaker 1: we're here. But so I'm trying to think, like, could
Speaker 1: we have as a as a people, we haven't been
Speaker 1: able to transport the proper amount of lotion since two
Speaker 1: thousand and two. I didn't like it had been that
Speaker 1: long that we had to get used to that.
Speaker 2: I guess this is.
Speaker 4: Just like months shy of September eleventh.
Speaker 3: So this was like you know, you know, once a big,
Speaker 3: once a big terrorist attack like that happens. Truly, this
Speaker 3: was like the altering of how we lived our life. Yeah,
Speaker 3: we remember the color, the color system we were on.
Speaker 4: Like red.
Speaker 1: We was all ready for many and then it feels
Speaker 1: like the towers came down and then like the next
Speaker 1: day they were like, y'all, don't get to have lotion,
Speaker 1: and it was like I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't even know the connection.
Speaker 3: Get on the plane as everybody on the plane, ashy.
Speaker 1: Nobody used lotion in these attacks. Nobody used lotion.
Speaker 2: Taking the lotion.
Speaker 3: Throat dry, no water, no water, no water bottles, throat dry.
Speaker 1: And we still gotten our ship back. Like you go
Speaker 1: to Europe, they'll just scan your bottle. You put it
Speaker 1: in this machine and they scan it and they we
Speaker 1: just got our shoes and they take them and they go,
Speaker 1: we just got our shoes.
Speaker 5: Bro.
Speaker 2: We still can't drink nothing.
Speaker 4: They can't drink nothing.
Speaker 2: You can't even bring a certain amount of soup. If
Speaker 2: the soup.
Speaker 1: They'll get that soup from. You don't funk around trying
Speaker 1: and bring no childer through.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, but.
Speaker 3: It's I'd say that though, Like, and tell me if
Speaker 3: you agree with this, Carl, Like, I think that in
Speaker 3: the age of Trump, there is a romanticism, romanticization all
Speaker 3: of the things that George because back then we were like,
Speaker 3: George Brush Bush is the most terrible, idiotic, numb nut ass,
Speaker 3: you know, fucking dummy that we've ever had in office.
Speaker 4: And now we're looking at Bush.
Speaker 3: I mean I watched George Bush interviews like we could
Speaker 3: have we we used to have it all.
Speaker 2: But I'm back he was not that bad, you know.
Speaker 3: I mean, you don't the devil on my shoulder and
Speaker 3: the Angel and my shoulders are both saying kind of
Speaker 3: the same thing, right right, I.
Speaker 5: Mean, I mean, yeah, I mean I do. I mean,
Speaker 5: I mean, you know, Bush is definitely a funnier president.
Speaker 5: I mean, he definitely gave us a lot more.
Speaker 6: I mean Trump is like, like there's a lot of
Speaker 6: it's weird because it's like he does a lot of
Speaker 6: crazy shit and some things you would laugh at if
Speaker 6: it wasn't real, it wasn't really you know, you know,
Speaker 6: but but Bush was Bush was just kind of more
Speaker 6: idiotic and would say a lot of crazy things. But
Speaker 6: I would say this, I think from nine to eleven
Speaker 6: up up until today, I personally, I feel like losing
Speaker 6: the patriarch patriarch was something. I feel like this's been
Speaker 6: in the works for a while, and I feel like
Speaker 6: we're seeing the continuation of that play out because I
Speaker 6: do believe that this is, at the end of the day,
Speaker 6: about ultimately having all the power that.
Speaker 5: You can possibly have over the entire world.
Speaker 6: So I think if it's many of these opportunities to
Speaker 6: you know, I mean, yeah, you were moving, you were
Speaker 6: removing people's civil liberties and rights and things like that,
Speaker 6: but that comes with fear, and that fear is attached
Speaker 6: to other moves that they're trying to make.
Speaker 5: So I do feel like a lot of times.
Speaker 6: You're getting like a you know, you're getting like a
Speaker 6: you a problem, a reaction and a solution type of
Speaker 6: formula that they that they've been using for years and
Speaker 6: now we're just saying it reach a peak.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I mean, I would say, like George
Speaker 1: Bush is like John Candy and Donald Trump is like
Speaker 1: Andrew Dice Clay, you know what I mean. Like George
Speaker 1: is like it's like good, wacky fun and it's like, ah,
Speaker 1: this guy is kind.
Speaker 2: Of a mess. And then then like Trump is like
Speaker 2: fuck Spanish people, you know what.
Speaker 3: You like, It's vindiculous with no real like understanding of
Speaker 3: like actual laws he has, Like at least George Bush, Yeah,
Speaker 3: he was an uneducated fool, but like he kind of
Speaker 3: like he's still at a certainly there was a degree
Speaker 3: of the quorum and respect he was.
Speaker 2: He was raised to He.
Speaker 1: Was raised to be a politician. He came from a
Speaker 1: little sense about like what stuff was. And Trump is
Speaker 1: like straight off the.
Speaker 2: Street of quick Years in that world.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm not saying he's poor, but like in
Speaker 1: that realm, he's kind of like a just a hood,
Speaker 1: you know what.
Speaker 3: You know what I would say in Carl's case too,
Speaker 3: if we were to flip these administrations based on the
Speaker 3: time periods that they were in Trump's Trump's America in
Speaker 3: two thousand and two, you would not have had the
Speaker 3: fairs at your door knocking at your dove for movies.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, because there's a law there's
Speaker 3: a lawlessness attached to Trump's.
Speaker 4: America, where like no, he don't got time for that,
Speaker 4: I ain't got time for a Carl.
Speaker 3: You know that department don't even exist the movie the movies,
Speaker 3: the movie like crack Down that don't.
Speaker 1: Even exist, and trying if you were Venezuela, yeah, no, d.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was you gotta go, oh god, oh my god.
Speaker 3: Oh but yeah, I mean George Bush was doing a lot.
Speaker 3: I mean it was also the child hind and look
Speaker 3: at what we've had to deal with that.
Speaker 2: I feel I feel very left behind.
Speaker 4: You do, I guess I feel like there's a lot
Speaker 4: that I should know that I just simply do not.
Speaker 1: But it's so it's so interesting that that at that point,
Speaker 1: you know, that's where kind of even when you do
Speaker 1: there was like Bush Trump comparisons. It's like Bush is like, hey,
Speaker 1: we gotta educate every kid.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 2: His approach to it was not good.
Speaker 1: The testing and like this is the way we're gonna
Speaker 1: go about it is like wow. But then Trump's like
Speaker 1: burn the books and I don't give a fuck what
Speaker 1: they know.
Speaker 2: I don't care what information.
Speaker 4: Black and white history.
Speaker 3: History honestly, fu history, Like I don't give a burn
Speaker 3: all these books. They don't have to know how to count,
Speaker 3: they don't know how to read. TikTok, teach thee.
Speaker 5: He is here for the educated.
Speaker 3: He is I want everybody to be just as ugly
Speaker 3: and dumb as I am. It's literally, you know that
Speaker 3: is wild.
Speaker 4: I do.
Speaker 1: I do remember though, like being in school in the
Speaker 1: testing stuff like kicking and and like the exit test,
Speaker 1: and it's like you can't even get out of school.
Speaker 2: That was not the case.
Speaker 1: At one point you could graduate without like passing some
Speaker 1: like national tests. And then was like nah, like you
Speaker 1: can't even get out of here. I remember that booming
Speaker 1: over me. I remember being like, dude, I've already been
Speaker 1: kept back once.
Speaker 2: I don't got I got to make it out before
Speaker 2: this test hit.
Speaker 5: I mean it was.
Speaker 1: Because I got kept back in high school. And I
Speaker 1: remember it was like a year it was coming, and
Speaker 1: I was like, if I get kept back again, I'm fussed.
Speaker 2: I gotta get out.
Speaker 4: I got to apply to my stuff.
Speaker 1: I got I gotta I gotta start doing my homework.
Speaker 3: Well, I did see someone post a couple of days
Speaker 3: ago and It made me laugh really loud. Someone did
Speaker 3: like a tweet and they said, you know, the problem
Speaker 3: with society today is the fact that the group A
Speaker 3: and the group B people are forced to intermingle socially. Now,
Speaker 3: remember back in the day, you were like group A
Speaker 3: or group group one, group two, And you know what,
Speaker 3: there's some validity to that Statementody, we all interacting and
Speaker 3: working the same jobs and ship and now, and it
Speaker 3: didn't used.
Speaker 5: To be that way.
Speaker 4: Group two was always because with groups, I gotta keep
Speaker 4: it real.
Speaker 3: One time I got put in group two and I
Speaker 3: was like, oh, it's it's ghetto over here. I gotta
Speaker 3: get I know, I know, I read didn't count faster
Speaker 3: than this, just how capitalism starts. That's exactly how capitalism starts.
Speaker 1: And I got kept bad because I didn't have enough
Speaker 1: points since in something.
Speaker 2: But I never got put in like the lower group.
Speaker 4: Sure you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: You would watch that group move.
Speaker 4: And you knew, you knew once you started being around.
Speaker 2: They were like, we're not tracking students, but it was like,
Speaker 2: this isru.
Speaker 4: I'm sitting with the motherfuckers who are finger and that doesn't.
Speaker 2: Feel This classroom looks a little suss We had a.
Speaker 6: We had a school that was like for like bad kids,
Speaker 6: like you know or whatever, like and you know, and yeah,
Speaker 6: it was one of those things. And I ended up
Speaker 6: having to go to that school at some point in
Speaker 6: high school. Right, But it was crazy because they should
Speaker 6: have had it was like anybody who had any kind
Speaker 6: of problems in school went there and and and so
Speaker 6: I'm now there with people that actually brought guns to
Speaker 6: school and maybe actually stabbed somebody.
Speaker 2: And they don't know that you're just a low level
Speaker 2: boot like that's where you life.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you shouldn't be in the same class to do
Speaker 4: who was getting ready to shoot you up? At Floppers?
Speaker 2: What you're saying, right, eventually sell something.
Speaker 4: And that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: Group ain't group B.
Speaker 3: Y'all were forced to go to the same class at
Speaker 3: some point, and y'all were not supposed to happen.
Speaker 4: I was not supposed to open that.
Speaker 2: They're all going to the same African though, Like you
Speaker 2: go to the left for the cooke, you come to
Speaker 2: the right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh man, stupid, what would you say? What would
Speaker 4: you say for you? Sam?
Speaker 1: Was?
Speaker 4: Because how old were you?
Speaker 5: Karl?
Speaker 2: He doesn't want to tell us.
Speaker 4: He wont he doesn't want to give away.
Speaker 1: To give it away, we'll google Hollywood, Carl Over here,
Speaker 1: Go Go, and will announce it on the pod.
Speaker 4: But okay, we then, Sam, I will tell the truth.
Speaker 2: I'm unashamed.
Speaker 5: Who were you?
Speaker 2: I two thousand two, I am twenty. I'm twenty years old.
Speaker 5: Drink.
Speaker 2: Just can't drink, but I'm drinking, but you drinking.
Speaker 5: A true.
Speaker 2: I can't drink, but I am drinking.
Speaker 5: Drink drinking.
Speaker 1: I'm living, I'm living in Boston, Still hang out with
Speaker 1: my friends. We used to like do this thing called
Speaker 1: pizza and smearing off nights when we'd get smearing off
Speaker 1: ice and we'd get pizza and we'd get drunk off
Speaker 1: smearing off ice, which.
Speaker 4: Is wild to do.
Speaker 1: To actually get truly fucked up off ice takes a
Speaker 1: lot of smell off ice. But we would drink tons
Speaker 1: of smell of ice, eat pizza, watch movies. There was
Speaker 1: this place we would go play pool, and I didn't
Speaker 1: know how to play pool, but it was just about
Speaker 1: the hang.
Speaker 2: I still don't know how to play pool. I was
Speaker 2: sucking dicks.
Speaker 3: Oh okay, yep, I was okay, I was okay, skill
Speaker 3: level oh talking about it, I had a man.
Speaker 1: I had me a man, Honey, I you know what
Speaker 1: I do a joke where I said I'm not I
Speaker 1: was not good at it, but I don't.
Speaker 2: I think I was good at I think I was.
Speaker 5: I was.
Speaker 1: I was decent because I would suck dick, Like how
Speaker 1: would I want my dick sucked? So I would think
Speaker 1: about that.
Speaker 3: So you were second with being like a gay lesbian.
Speaker 3: I was just like, well, treat people how you want
Speaker 3: to be.
Speaker 2: If I was.
Speaker 1: Like straight, life was just me like vicariously living through
Speaker 1: my boyfriend. It was very weird, like he would like
Speaker 1: I would like dress him because I felt like he
Speaker 1: didn't know how to wear ship. But I realized I
Speaker 1: was just dressing him how I wanted to dress, Like
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, get this, get this, that's fly that
Speaker 1: looks better, Like that looks crazy to do this, and
Speaker 1: it's like this is just all like stuff I want
Speaker 1: to wear. And I realized I had this moment where
Speaker 1: I realized, like something is off because I remember that
Speaker 1: he was like he was very into Beyonce and at
Speaker 1: one point like.
Speaker 2: He wanted like like not like not like I love Beyonce,
Speaker 2: like I think she's hot Beyonce.
Speaker 4: That not like Beyonce.
Speaker 2: He's still straight out. Don't don't trying to make everyone
Speaker 2: get Oh my god, we're not doing that trying to
Speaker 2: make everyone get that.
Speaker 1: I don't care if he is gay, but I don't
Speaker 1: think he's gay. We're not gonna mismirch this man's name
Speaker 1: in that way. But he thought Beyonce was very attractive.
Speaker 1: And I remember one day he was talking ship and
Speaker 1: he was feeling himself. And this is after my makeover,
Speaker 1: by the way, I had to completely make this dude over.
Speaker 2: I made him hot. He was not hot. I saw
Speaker 2: the potential.
Speaker 1: He was out here changing men, yes, because I saw
Speaker 1: the potential, but I was like, you don't know what
Speaker 1: to do with yourself.
Speaker 2: But it was also me like he was like my avatar.
Speaker 4: I was like, I'm gonna you were dressing him how you.
Speaker 2: And he was feeling him so and he was like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I could. I could pull Beyonce. And my first thought
Speaker 2: was like, nigga, if I can't fuck Beyonce, you can't
Speaker 2: funk Beyonce. And I was like, that's crazy. Immediately in
Speaker 2: my mind, what this happened?
Speaker 1: Why did you think that that's not what you're supposed
Speaker 1: to be thinking, you're supposed to be jealous of your
Speaker 1: boyfriend or.
Speaker 4: Upset, just like I would. I would eat way better
Speaker 4: than you yourself.
Speaker 2: It was just an immediate and I was like, that's insane.
Speaker 3: Well, I'll ask you this. This is my this is
Speaker 3: my follow up question. This is my follow up question
Speaker 3: for you. So in two thousand and two, the Patriots.
Speaker 5: That's the crazy, that's the craziest. That's the craziest. But
Speaker 5: that was to Jesus moment.
Speaker 1: I was like, I didn't get it right at that moment.
Speaker 1: But I put that in a like little folder and
Speaker 1: I said, something's off.
Speaker 4: Something's off.
Speaker 2: I filed it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's some self work that I got to.
Speaker 2: I got to figure out something.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I will.
Speaker 3: Say to to My follow up question for you is
Speaker 3: the fact that, Okay, so the Patriots, your Patriots didn't
Speaker 3: win the Super Bowl that year, So in celebration, did
Speaker 3: you stuck his day?
Speaker 2: He wasn't big into football, Okay, Like.
Speaker 5: I said, I like football.
Speaker 2: We could probably call on the phone, I would say,
Speaker 2: I will. I will venture to say I probably sucked
Speaker 2: because I was happy the patient, because I was very
Speaker 2: much into football.
Speaker 4: Fantastic. I got, I got, I got everything I wanted
Speaker 4: out of that question, thank you? Yeah, yeah, yeah, we
Speaker 4: had good times also.
Speaker 3: Okay, so Sam, while you were having a pizza and
Speaker 3: smearnoff you know nights were you were, you also tapped
Speaker 3: into popular culture like did you have a smear enof
Speaker 3: in pizza in here? When Michael Jackson dangled his infants
Speaker 3: on Prince over the back?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 4: You do you have any fond memories of this event?
Speaker 5: I don't know if they were fond memories, but I
Speaker 5: remember it.
Speaker 4: Did you did you that video and put it in
Speaker 4: the barbershops? Also, of course I.
Speaker 1: Remember I just when he dangled the baby this that
Speaker 1: I don't know. At that point, we were so far
Speaker 1: gone with Michael Jackson, like you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: It was there was so much erratic behavior, and Wacko
Speaker 1: Jacko was already a thing. Remember that Wacko Jacko and
Speaker 1: all that was already a thing that, like the baby
Speaker 1: dangle was just another thing. I think for the black community,
Speaker 1: we just were more like that, ain't his goddamn baby,
Speaker 1: that white ass bag. Whether we saw just the baby's legs,
Speaker 1: dangline on the whole baby on half the baby. Our
Speaker 1: stance on that baby was that, ain't that man's goddamn baby?
Speaker 5: Right right again?
Speaker 3: Yashi again, I just this is this was such like
Speaker 3: a like a like it was like this was the
Speaker 3: moment I feel like where black people we were like,
Speaker 3: we've lost him, like we we've we've lost like we
Speaker 3: used to have him in our grip like we had
Speaker 3: we had Michael Jackson still, But this was the mama
Speaker 3: where it was like, bro, we don't even know what
Speaker 3: to do with him anymore.
Speaker 1: I would are you you're saying this is his Kanye
Speaker 1: KKK black KKK uniform moment.
Speaker 2: I don't know what.
Speaker 3: Just like, hands off the hard part for me, and
Speaker 3: tell me if you agree with this, Carl, it's like
Speaker 3: the hard part of Michael Jackson in comparison, if you're
Speaker 3: gonna compare it to Kanye. Michael never really said things
Speaker 3: to like a thing that not in my recollection that
Speaker 3: he never really said things that had back people being like,
Speaker 3: oh we can't fuck with him?
Speaker 4: Am I wrong in thinking that?
Speaker 5: But you know, you know what, you know what it is?
Speaker 6: I mean I do feel like maybe some of his
Speaker 6: behavior behave more strange or weird or whatever, and then
Speaker 6: maybe he began to look more white, but he also
Speaker 6: started rolling with the Nation of Islam exactly like, and
Speaker 6: the stuff that he was talking about became.
Speaker 5: Really really black.
Speaker 2: But I think that's what pissed us off.
Speaker 1: I think that's what made us even more mad, is like, Bro,
Speaker 1: you've done all this stuff to align yourself with whiteness
Speaker 1: and to literally separate yourself from us, and then now
Speaker 1: that the white people is saying you diddling, now we're
Speaker 1: supposed to come save you, Like, oh Jay, now we're
Speaker 1: supposed to come swoop and now you with the nation
Speaker 1: is now everybody's racist. Now it's time to be black again,
Speaker 1: and now we're supposed to come and stand behind you
Speaker 1: and save you.
Speaker 2: And it's like, no, Michael, this is that you.
Speaker 1: You invited this into your life, So now you go
Speaker 1: if you deal with whatever this is, we're not participating.
Speaker 1: So I think by that point we were kind of
Speaker 1: just done and done and done because we were like,
Speaker 1: you ain't been sure all love to niggas for a
Speaker 1: while now.
Speaker 4: Right, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I just I still in a way feel like there
Speaker 3: was an allegiance because even to this day, black people
Speaker 3: still defend Michael Jackson.
Speaker 1: I think will will we love card and will love forever.
Speaker 1: But I think we were loving from a distance at
Speaker 1: that point. We was crashing out from Jack and then yeah,
Speaker 1: like a family member. And now he's dead, so now
Speaker 1: we back up on a thousand you know what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 1: and that was full throttle because he's not with us,
Speaker 1: So now it's like, you better not talk about Mike.
Speaker 1: It's just like, uh, anybody like you have a crackhead uncle.
Speaker 1: He's terrible to everybody in the family. He's still but
Speaker 1: we remember the time when he wasn't that crackheaded, and
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Yeah, I've got the way
Speaker 1: it works.
Speaker 5: And then.
Speaker 1: Everyone like kind of writes him off like he's a
Speaker 1: crackhead and he's unsavable and he's stolen from everybody.
Speaker 2: And then he dies and then we're back like, you
Speaker 2: better never say nothing bad about my uncle. JUNI right, right, well,
Speaker 2: I'll fuck you up. That's kind of our relationship with Mike.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and Prince. We don't fuck around. Michael Carl are you.
Speaker 3: I don't know how deep into conspiracies you tend to
Speaker 3: tend to be, but when it comes in relationship to
Speaker 3: Michael Jackson. I don't know if you've heard, but the
Speaker 3: notion that Michael Jackson's voice is a lot deeper than
Speaker 3: than he would play up in the media.
Speaker 4: Are you are you privy to that information? Do you
Speaker 4: do you believe in it at all? What do you
Speaker 4: think that was?
Speaker 6: Well, you know what's funny, I've been hearing that, right,
Speaker 6: and then like a week ago, I actually had this
Speaker 6: got up. This is kind of random, but I had.
Speaker 6: I had lunch with Dougie Fresh right, who actually who
Speaker 6: actually spent some time with Mike and where he was
Speaker 6: in a room just talking regular like with the with
Speaker 6: the deep voice. He said, that is his real like
Speaker 6: that like the voice that we hear in the music
Speaker 6: or when he's doing interviews, that is not his voice.
Speaker 5: That's what he said.
Speaker 6: Like he said, he literally was having conversations with him
Speaker 6: about bitches and ship like that.
Speaker 2: Oh whoa, yeah, I heard that. You didn't hear the tapes.
Speaker 2: This is pre ai.
Speaker 1: You didn't hear those tapes that drop when he was
Speaker 1: talking about his family. He was talking about Joe and
Speaker 1: everybody keep borrowing money from him and he's tired of
Speaker 1: the ship.
Speaker 2: And he was just talking like a nigga talking, talking
Speaker 2: like a nigga. Bro, I was shocking.
Speaker 3: You got the base in his voice that was that
Speaker 3: was a note. That was a note I always got
Speaker 3: from my family. Put some basing your voice.
Speaker 1: He took the bass out because he knew it was threatening,
Speaker 1: and like, I don't I think that because they were
Speaker 1: so used to seeing young like he grew up in
Speaker 1: the ship, you know what I'm saying. So he grew
Speaker 1: up and when he was young, sweet Michael Jackson, he
Speaker 1: was like, that's what everybody loves, and that's what I'm
Speaker 1: always gonna try to present to people. And when the
Speaker 1: balls dropped, he was like a nigga. It was like,
Speaker 1: you can't you can't even you can't even take the
Speaker 1: nigga out and do whatever to his nose, but he gonna,
Speaker 1: it's gonna hitch you.
Speaker 4: Skin might be light, but that voice is still dark.
Speaker 2: Gary Indiana, you know.
Speaker 4: Well I brought I brought.
Speaker 3: Up the conspiracy of it all with that voice because
Speaker 3: of the fact that now I'll follow up with asking
Speaker 3: you this, Carl, there's a there's there's there will always
Speaker 3: be conspiracy theories, but I think this one is always
Speaker 3: at the top of everybody's mind. It will always be
Speaker 3: a conversation of like division people believe in and the
Speaker 3: people don't. Carl, do you believe that man went on
Speaker 3: the moon?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 5: Wow? So I think I think it happened, But I
Speaker 5: think it didn't happen when they said it happened. Do
Speaker 5: you think it? You know what I'm saying, Well, I
Speaker 5: don't know for a fact. I mean I don't, I don't.
Speaker 6: I mean, I don't know exactly, like, but I just
Speaker 6: think I think that there was a lot of money,
Speaker 6: and there was a lot of I guess uh uh
Speaker 6: exploration that was happening around that time, and I think
Speaker 6: they needed to produce some evidence that they made some progress.
Speaker 6: But I don't think that they did, you know, and
Speaker 6: and and I'm way into a lot of so I
Speaker 6: love this area. No, no, no, but but but I
Speaker 6: do think that the plan at one point in time
Speaker 6: was to was to get to the Moon. And then
Speaker 6: I think when they did get to the Moon, finally
Speaker 6: they realized that they were already I mean, there's this
Speaker 6: evidence now to show that there there was there was
Speaker 6: bases already on the Moon. They've encountered other extraterrestrials, species,
Speaker 6: and things like that, and then that mission just completely
Speaker 6: went away. You didn't hear anything else about us going
Speaker 6: to the moon, you know, So I don't know, and
Speaker 6: that's kind of odd, like, how come all of a
Speaker 6: sudden that just that whole mission just got abandoned abandoned?
Speaker 4: Well, Carl, that answer.
Speaker 3: I'm delighted by your answer, because in two thousand and two,
Speaker 3: a seventy two year old bulls all dream punched a
Speaker 3: conspiracy theorist named Bart Sibrel in the face for claiming
Speaker 3: that the sixty nine moon landing was a hoax. So
Speaker 3: giving your answer, Carl, I would say, Buzz not gonna
Speaker 3: punch you.
Speaker 4: It might slap you up a little bit.
Speaker 2: Buzz Buzz check, you might suck.
Speaker 3: You up, even insinuating that didn't didn't happen when it happened.
Speaker 1: I think that Buzz definitely win because it's just like,
Speaker 1: you know, if you punch people over the ship at
Speaker 1: seventy two.
Speaker 3: Multiple times, it's just like that's like, yo, there are
Speaker 3: multiple people on the top the.
Speaker 1: Moment, and like you could say, you can say, I
Speaker 1: think at seventy two he got all the checks.
Speaker 2: I think if I'm a hered punch of people in
Speaker 2: the face of seventy two.
Speaker 4: You're not You're not punching people over some shit.
Speaker 1: You didn't you playing I'm in my old man face
Speaker 1: to be played with. I don't heard this ship multiple times.
Speaker 1: I told y'all it's not true. Yeah, I'm seventy two.
Speaker 1: Now the next nigga that said it to me going
Speaker 1: to push in the face.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's why I'm happening. So you might have two
Speaker 4: enemies on your hand from the past from two thousand
Speaker 4: and two.
Speaker 5: I want to smoke bud.
Speaker 2: Bus smacking people in the face with Moondu.
Speaker 3: Well, I'm so glad we we ended on that, but
Speaker 3: we do have we do have to fund Carl. You
Speaker 3: have been a top tier guest.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for being here.
Speaker 4: But we do we do end on a we do
Speaker 4: end on a statement.
Speaker 2: We do end on the statement we really don't know
Speaker 2: how to end this show.
Speaker 1: And then Alex came up. But it's a good way
Speaker 1: and it's been working. So that's what we're doing.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 2: We end with a question.
Speaker 4: Well, it's it's more of a statement that you need
Speaker 4: to question. Choose how it ends.
Speaker 3: Question the question, Carl, I'd ask you you to fill
Speaker 3: in the blank. History does not repeat itself.
Speaker 4: It blank, History does not repeat itself.
Speaker 6: It remains his story until we start telling our own stories,
Speaker 6: so it becomes our story.
Speaker 3: Oh a professor answer, I just felt it can take
Speaker 3: just come down behind you.
Speaker 4: That felt real. Snap snap.
Speaker 2: We often make doctor Umar proud on this show.
Speaker 4: I know right, we are getting closer and closer to
Speaker 4: getting on this podcast. I can feel it, right, I
Speaker 4: can feel it. Sam, how would you?
Speaker 5: How do you?
Speaker 4: How are you feeling about about it today?
Speaker 1: Yeah, history doesn't repeat itself. It goes to the moon
Speaker 1: and if you ask about it, it punches you in there.
Speaker 5: You go.
Speaker 3: I agree with that, and I'd say history doesn't repeat itself.
Speaker 3: It goes to the theater to watch flubber.
Speaker 5: Car.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for being so much. Hope you
Speaker 2: had a good time because we had a great time
Speaker 2: with you.
Speaker 5: Thank you. I haven't lapped this law this a long time.
Speaker 4: Appreciate alrighty, thank you, Thank you.
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Speaker 2: Theme music by Aaron Kaufman. It is executive produced by
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Speaker 2: Researched by Jabari Davis