WEBVTT - 2002 with Carl Jones

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<v Speaker 1>Guys, welcome back to look back at it in today's guests.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm actually super excited to have today's guest because i

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<v Speaker 1>am just.

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<v Speaker 2>A huge fan.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, we have called Jones in the building, producer, writer, actor.

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<v Speaker 1>You made no call from his work on The Boon Dogs.

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<v Speaker 1>You also made no call from his work as a

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<v Speaker 1>writer and producer on The Last O G also Black Dynamite,

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<v Speaker 1>which is a classic in my opinion. You just made

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<v Speaker 1>no call from bumping into him out in the streets.

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<v Speaker 1>Carl Jones, thank you so much for being here.

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<v Speaker 3>Ohra wait, Carl, being do you do you do you

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<v Speaker 3>corroborate the out in the streets allegations that.

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<v Speaker 4>You just received?

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<v Speaker 5>Wait the work she said?

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<v Speaker 3>You know you might see him out in the streets.

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<v Speaker 3>You be out in the streets like that.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm just checking.

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<v Speaker 5>You know.

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<v Speaker 3>Sometimes people be like, oh, I'm not really out in

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<v Speaker 3>the streets, but okay, I'll take it.

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<v Speaker 6>But you out here now, I'm in I'm in these

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<v Speaker 6>anime streets, I'm in these I'm in these animated streets,

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<v Speaker 6>in these comedy streets.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, okay, Carls outside all right.

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<v Speaker 1>The year you chose was two thousand in two, I like,

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<v Speaker 1>so it's kind of start with the guests and kind

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<v Speaker 1>of just get a sense of who you were in

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand and two. Where are you in life? Like,

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<v Speaker 1>how old are you? What are you doing? Why is

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<v Speaker 1>this year particularly stood out to you?

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<v Speaker 6>So I'll say I was young. I was really young,

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<v Speaker 6>but I was also there was a lot of crazy

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<v Speaker 6>things happening this year. You know, it was like a

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<v Speaker 6>turning point for me.

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<v Speaker 5>Right.

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<v Speaker 6>So I was heavily, heavily, heavily into the bootleg movie game,

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<v Speaker 6>right right, So I was. I was literally like I

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<v Speaker 6>was like the Tony of the bootleg movies. I was selling,

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<v Speaker 6>I had, I had Nigga's working for me and sh

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<v Speaker 6>I was. I was doing it. I was doing it big.

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<v Speaker 6>You know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 4>I was.

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<v Speaker 5>I want to get my age. Let's just say I was.

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<v Speaker 5>I was young. I was. I was. I was on

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<v Speaker 5>my own crib, you know what I mean. Life was

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<v Speaker 5>life and at the time, but.

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<v Speaker 2>You had a wife at this time, I did have

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<v Speaker 2>a wife. You're supporting a family on bootleg movies.

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<v Speaker 6>Yes, yes, that was yeh th in a couple of

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<v Speaker 6>watches and CDs and stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 5>So you were, you.

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<v Speaker 3>Were in the Barbershop, Quintessential c D d v d S, CDs, DVDs.

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<v Speaker 5>That was that was you. I was in the streets.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, I understand what's right. You've been in these streets,

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<v Speaker 4>the streets.

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<v Speaker 2>I sold you a nice little techno morey.

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<v Speaker 4>We got got.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, sorry, So we were so, you know, most of

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<v Speaker 3>us are familiar with the bootleg industry. I will ask

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<v Speaker 3>what was the how would you measure, on a scale

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<v Speaker 3>of one to ten, the quality of your bootleg movie?

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<v Speaker 3>Because there's a there's a there's a there's a legger

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<v Speaker 3>of scale there, let's talk bootlegs.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, it's funny. It's funny you mentioned that, right, because

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<v Speaker 6>I got a funny story about that. So I actually

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<v Speaker 6>thought my quality.

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<v Speaker 5>Was really really good.

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<v Speaker 6>But they bootleg movie, so it's only so good good

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<v Speaker 6>it's gonna be. But but there was a moment, and

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<v Speaker 6>this was kind of a turning point for me also,

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<v Speaker 6>which kind of sent me there, you know, you know,

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<v Speaker 6>pursuing my career goals because I actually almost got shot

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<v Speaker 6>over a bootleg movie.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, you know what I'm saying, it over the quality

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<v Speaker 5>of it.

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<v Speaker 6>So I was so originally from Fairville, North Carolina, right,

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<v Speaker 6>and but I was at the time. I was in Greensboro,

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<v Speaker 6>North Carolina, and I used to have this van and

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<v Speaker 6>we used to pull.

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<v Speaker 5>Up, me and my home, me and my homie.

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<v Speaker 6>We used to pull up at this It was like

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<v Speaker 6>a convenience store that was right behind the projects, right,

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<v Speaker 6>so like the clubs were let out around two o'clock

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<v Speaker 6>in the morning, and so you get a lot of

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<v Speaker 6>traffic come through. So we were post up and we

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<v Speaker 6>have a movie and stuff. So this guy came through

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<v Speaker 6>right and he was he brought a movie back and

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<v Speaker 6>never forget because it was an old movie. It was

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<v Speaker 6>like it was like I was, it was Flubber. It

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<v Speaker 6>was it was like because you know I we keep

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<v Speaker 6>like the kids movies.

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<v Speaker 4>He was, he was. He was doing Happiness Child. That's guy.

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<v Speaker 4>I need this guy.

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<v Speaker 1>I did a picture of a guy who comes back

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<v Speaker 1>pissed off about flubber.

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<v Speaker 6>Long white tea grills. You know what I'm saying, bag baggy,

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<v Speaker 6>baggy echo jeans.

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<v Speaker 3>Wait a minute, Wait a minute, did you see a

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<v Speaker 3>flubber to a member of crime mob?

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<v Speaker 4>Is that what happened?

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<v Speaker 5>It had to be so.

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<v Speaker 6>But he so he walks up to me and he's

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<v Speaker 6>like he was like, yo, bro, he was like, I

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<v Speaker 6>want I want to get my money back. He was like,

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<v Speaker 6>you know this movie. He's watching this movie with my daughter,

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<v Speaker 6>and like a nigga gets up in the middle of

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<v Speaker 6>the movie and walks in front, walks in front of

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<v Speaker 6>the screen.

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<v Speaker 5>Right.

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<v Speaker 6>So I was like, well, when you go to a

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<v Speaker 6>real movie theater, if the nigga gets up and walks

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<v Speaker 6>in front of you, you can't get your money back.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but in a real movie theater, your daughter's not going, daddy,

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<v Speaker 1>what's your off?

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<v Speaker 3>And that person I can't visibly say, excuse me, excuse me,

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<v Speaker 3>excuse me, gotta go to the bathroom.

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<v Speaker 4>And then they got to come back from the bathroom too.

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<v Speaker 1>This was this was this guy trying to like fix

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<v Speaker 1>things with his fucking family.

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<v Speaker 2>You do know that. He was like he was on

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<v Speaker 2>the outs.

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<v Speaker 4>Of this family shared custody and ship.

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<v Speaker 2>He's like, what you want, She's like, all I want

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<v Speaker 2>to do is se flupper.

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<v Speaker 1>He's like, I can't do this this thing.

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<v Speaker 4>Just let me go get a hair cut real quick school.

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<v Speaker 2>In the last six months, I.

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<v Speaker 1>May not have paid an ounce of child support, but

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<v Speaker 1>I can come through.

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<v Speaker 4>I can go get you fluvering. You had one job, Carl,

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<v Speaker 4>one job, one job.

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<v Speaker 2>Kid taking from him, baby.

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<v Speaker 4>She said, she said, I'm never going tonber Daddy's house

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<v Speaker 4>ever again. It's all cars.

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<v Speaker 5>His whole life was down here.

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<v Speaker 6>So so anyways, I thought it was at the time,

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<v Speaker 6>I thought it was a clever comeback ship. He didn't

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<v Speaker 6>so like, he actually leaves pissed off and he comes

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<v Speaker 6>back through with a in a car with a bunch

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<v Speaker 6>of niggas in also fit that same description. And he's

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<v Speaker 6>on the passenger seat. He has this arm on the window,

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<v Speaker 6>and this arm I can't see. So I immediately got

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<v Speaker 6>the sense that something bad was going to happen. So

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<v Speaker 6>me and my boyhood, you know, we were standing in

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<v Speaker 6>front of my band, and as soon as I saw

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<v Speaker 6>the car start creeping up, I just told him to

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<v Speaker 6>hit the hit the floor. And as soon as he

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<v Speaker 6>as soon as we hit the ground, he pulled out

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<v Speaker 6>a gun and just started shooting. He shot the windows

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<v Speaker 6>of my band right, you know, and then he like

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<v Speaker 6>sped off down the street, and my boyhood was like, yo,

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<v Speaker 6>let's go get the niggas.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm like about the like bruy, I like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Everybody was willing to die for this DV I was

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<v Speaker 1>about to say, you everybody war.

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<v Speaker 2>Go to war.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'm wondering, like, do you think the creator is

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<v Speaker 3>a flubber ever imagined in a million years that this

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<v Speaker 3>that this movie would cause a shootout in I don't

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<v Speaker 3>think they ever wants everyone's mind.

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<v Speaker 1>And in the words of Boon Dogs, would cause a

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<v Speaker 1>nigga moment.

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<v Speaker 4>All that is such a funny story.

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<v Speaker 6>Because you know, I think it's about principal with niggas.

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<v Speaker 6>You know, it's principal my daughter.

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<v Speaker 4>My daughter was upset she didn'tet to see the movie

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<v Speaker 4>that she wanted to.

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<v Speaker 1>It's also when you're already like half ass and stuff

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<v Speaker 1>like like like like.

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<v Speaker 2>Black people, you know, we're we're a culture of.

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<v Speaker 1>Cutting corners sometimes and when you're always kind of half

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<v Speaker 1>fashion a little bit, it's like you already kind of

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<v Speaker 1>got that that level of shade more.

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<v Speaker 2>You're like, I couldn't just go buy flubber.

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<v Speaker 4>I couldn't just go to the.

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<v Speaker 2>I already had to do it in sway. I already

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<v Speaker 2>had to make a deal out of the back of

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<v Speaker 2>a van.

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<v Speaker 5>Right, Yeah, now did you put it like that?

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<v Speaker 6>Definitely help It definitely helps me understand why he was

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<v Speaker 6>so mad.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, you know so as far as so so Carl.

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<v Speaker 3>You when it comes to like these DVDs, were you

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<v Speaker 3>responsible yourself for going into the theater and having had

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<v Speaker 3>that question, or were you getting.

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<v Speaker 4>This distributed from.

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<v Speaker 3>Somebody like African?

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<v Speaker 1>Are you going to the African hub in the African Whitehouse.

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<v Speaker 1>You're getting them from the African hub. So you the

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<v Speaker 1>African is a supplier. You going, You're getting your little

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<v Speaker 1>distribution supply for your market.

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<v Speaker 5>Uh huh bingo.

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<v Speaker 6>Exactly exactly happened, and so and basically, I mean I

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<v Speaker 6>didn't really know how to get started because well, when

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<v Speaker 6>I first started, I was making my own.

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<v Speaker 5>So I went to reticenter.

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<v Speaker 6>And I got a bunch of I got a bunch

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<v Speaker 6>of I got a bunch of VCRs, and I was

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<v Speaker 6>just making my own.

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<v Speaker 2>And the same wife is with you now. It was

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<v Speaker 2>with you there.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah no no, no, no no no, we're together now.

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<v Speaker 4>That slubber shootout. She was like, I got.

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<v Speaker 3>As, I don't know what you got going on over

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<v Speaker 3>here to be let's make a little I knew, I

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<v Speaker 3>knew when we met. I knew when we met. I said,

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<v Speaker 3>I like a nigga with some hustle, but not like this.

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<v Speaker 3>But this is getting dangerous.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh man, good good luck, good luck.

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<v Speaker 2>Got a bluing d.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, because she gotta tell that story too.

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<v Speaker 5>You know.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm like, I'm like, I need to be selling coked

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<v Speaker 6>like this is crazy risk.

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<v Speaker 2>The risk had it up?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh man, So you were making the like so you're

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<v Speaker 1>just recording stuff off TV?

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<v Speaker 5>Now, So I was I had I had actually had

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<v Speaker 5>an African connect in Harlem. I was literally I was literally.

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<v Speaker 6>Driving nine hours from from North Carolina to New York

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<v Speaker 6>and back sometimes. I mean I would literally pick up

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<v Speaker 6>movies and come back and so and it was it

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<v Speaker 6>was one six it was around the one sixteenth and

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<v Speaker 6>Linux area where like this, they basically had this whole

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<v Speaker 6>Now I'm about the now, about the but what's over now?

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<v Speaker 5>I guess I could expose them. They either did.

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<v Speaker 2>Movies by stealing them from.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah right, so way more respect to projects.

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<v Speaker 6>But under the projects they had like a whole underground operation.

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<v Speaker 6>The ship was crazy like they so they took me.

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<v Speaker 6>They took me down, you know, underneath the building one time.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't tell us too much because there's definitely another operation

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<v Speaker 1>under those projects. We don't know what it is. But

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<v Speaker 1>the operation doesn't just stop, it just switches. So there's

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<v Speaker 1>deitely something going on under those projects.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, so we were so we were copying for about

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<v Speaker 6>like maybe two dollars a piece and were selling them

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<v Speaker 6>at ten dollars.

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<v Speaker 5>But two thousand and two was.

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<v Speaker 6>Right around the age of what you know, digital started

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<v Speaker 6>taking over, so like the game started right the game

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<v Speaker 6>started changing it. So I was catching niggas on the

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<v Speaker 6>street selling DVDs now for like you know, like shit,

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<v Speaker 6>like they were something like two two for ten, and

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<v Speaker 6>they eventually it was like two for five, and I'm like,

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<v Speaker 6>you know what I'm saying, it got crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>You could get you could get four for fifteen.

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<v Speaker 5>See yeah, joints and if you found.

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<v Speaker 1>The right DVD dude, you could get the ones with

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<v Speaker 1>the year consideration on them, and those was just.

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<v Speaker 4>Like the f C.

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<v Speaker 1>Get the fy C and those was the ones you wanted,

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<v Speaker 1>like get that.

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<v Speaker 3>Now niggas are in the voting guild, what I'm saying,

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<v Speaker 3>making decisions. You know, I'm often curious like about how

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<v Speaker 3>influential the bootleg industry could have been, especially to black films,

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<v Speaker 3>Like if like if if the bootleg industry had.

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<v Speaker 4>Any bearing on Oscars.

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<v Speaker 3>We could have gotten like paid in for nominated, We

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<v Speaker 3>could have gotten like official nominated, we could have got

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<v Speaker 3>Brown Sugar nominated. But those numbers, honestly, I think there

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<v Speaker 3>was there's a there's an argument to be made that

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<v Speaker 3>bootleg numbers should count towards box office.

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<v Speaker 1>But you think about it, like, are no different now

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<v Speaker 1>than like Spotify numbers? Yeah, like a streaming number, you

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<v Speaker 1>know what I'm saying. Yeah, I remember when I first

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<v Speaker 1>got my f y c's when I.

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<v Speaker 2>First was like, my first thought was like I could probably.

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<v Speaker 3>When I first got I was literally when I first

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<v Speaker 3>got mine, I was literally sending them to my family.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, you know, I could probably get get

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<v Speaker 2>little money off enjoy it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Carl, what would you say if you could, if

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<v Speaker 3>you could like recollect this far back, Like, what would

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<v Speaker 3>you say was your most bootlegged film?

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<v Speaker 4>But was the most popular of these?

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 4>Moving he had like there was some big movies out

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<v Speaker 4>in two thousand and two.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I think I think it was, oh, in two

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<v Speaker 6>thousand and two. I don't know about two thousand.

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<v Speaker 4>Or in general.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, but in general I got the hook up that which.

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<v Speaker 3>Was literally what you were doing, and that was master P.

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<v Speaker 2>Correct, you I got that master P. Yeah, that was

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<v Speaker 2>a very popular movie.

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<v Speaker 3>The early two thousands was really a big moment for

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<v Speaker 3>rappers becoming actors. Oh, all about the Benjamin's as well.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean Ice Cube talk about a career trajectory, like

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<v Speaker 3>literally went from n w A to being everybody's following.

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<v Speaker 1>What we got Cube as early as Boys in the Hood,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, like Cubes turns actor Boys in the Hood.

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<v Speaker 1>I think from then on where we have ice QB.

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<v Speaker 3>Carl Have you ever had any Have you ever had

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<v Speaker 3>any like encounters are running with somebody who's movie you

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<v Speaker 3>bootleggs back in the day.

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<v Speaker 6>I mean it's funny because I know a lot of

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<v Speaker 6>them and work with them now, but I don't I

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<v Speaker 6>don't really talk about this life of you know, I

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<v Speaker 6>don't know how you saw how their paychecks were affected.

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<v Speaker 3>You saw that little government disclaimer to beginning the meal,

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<v Speaker 3>was like, I don't know who's doing all of that.

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<v Speaker 3>Couldn't be me, that's right, y'all bootlegging in here, but not.

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<v Speaker 5>Right. It is kind of surreal.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you're like a reverse Ryan Coogler.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, That isn't astute observation. Observation from the industry that

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<v Speaker 3>is now giving you the lifestyle that you've always wanted.

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<v Speaker 3>You said, I will not have a regular job, no

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<v Speaker 3>matter I will. I will take from this industry before

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<v Speaker 3>I ever do anything else. And I respect that that.

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<v Speaker 5>It's not brilliant. That is brilliant.

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<v Speaker 6>But but Yo, But what's funny about it is because

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<v Speaker 6>I used to get movies in so fast, and there

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<v Speaker 6>was always new stuff coming out so often, I've never

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<v Speaker 6>really got a chance to watch them all.

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<v Speaker 5>So I would literally look at the.

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<v Speaker 6>Picture or I would read some of the description on

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<v Speaker 6>the back, and I was pitching these movies in the

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<v Speaker 6>streets like like I like I knew what I was

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<v Speaker 6>talking about, not knowing that when I worked in this business.

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<v Speaker 6>Actually it helped, like you know what I'm saying, Like

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<v Speaker 6>my tools got really really nice with pitching because I

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<v Speaker 6>was pitching it.

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<v Speaker 5>I didn't even watch.

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<v Speaker 1>No, you got to understand the flubber is a magical substance.

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<v Speaker 4>Not yours, like doctor Umar.

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<v Speaker 2>That Nigga didn't even want to watch. Flubberd actually something

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<v Speaker 2>from a baby girl.

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<v Speaker 6>Tailor the pitch to whoever you pay your tailor, the

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<v Speaker 6>pitch to whoever you're talking to I'm.

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<v Speaker 3>So happy you were able to avoid the government being

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<v Speaker 3>involved in your hustle.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm so happy I didn't. I didn't actually not only did.

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<v Speaker 4>Just did the streets come for you?

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<v Speaker 2>But the justice is the Wow, you're living the life

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<v Speaker 2>of a real criminal.

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<v Speaker 6>What the time the movie industry was like really trying

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<v Speaker 6>to like clamp down on it. Yeah, so like I had,

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<v Speaker 6>like the fans, I had a couple of runners.

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<v Speaker 1>With the wall, just like the woman drugs kind of

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<v Speaker 1>feels like an attack on and I want to hear this,

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<v Speaker 1>but just like the war Dukes, it kind of feels

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<v Speaker 1>like an attack on black people specifically because it's like

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<v Speaker 1>movie industry, how much money are you really losing from niggas.

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<v Speaker 3>Truly, especially if they're buying black movies. I only really

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<v Speaker 3>knew black movies.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't know a lot of white people that were

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<v Speaker 1>participating in this behavior.

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<v Speaker 4>Like did you blue leg Monster's ball?

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<v Speaker 5>I doubt it.

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<v Speaker 4>Is naked?

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, you got that scene for niggas got.

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<v Speaker 1>Halle Berry's titties was out. Niggas is buying that just

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<v Speaker 1>for that. Karl was telling that ship and telling them

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<v Speaker 1>where the titty was. She's coming at.

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<v Speaker 4>Right here at.

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<v Speaker 3>Fifty four fifty five. That's that's when the titties cover you.

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<v Speaker 3>You you made sure that you made sure that niggas

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<v Speaker 3>heads was not in the way of the titty I

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<v Speaker 3>met Niggas re seated for that.

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<v Speaker 4>Niggas was seated for that. Get up any other moment

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<v Speaker 4>during the morning.

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<v Speaker 1>Really, what the problem is that Flubber is such a

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<v Speaker 1>low value movie that the Africans didn't even care.

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<v Speaker 2>They saw the head. They was like, nobody's getting Flubber

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<v Speaker 2>and they just moved right past it. But Mister's ball,

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<v Speaker 2>They're gonna make sure.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, in front of the Teddies.

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<v Speaker 2>Cracked down on you.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 6>So how I found this out was I came back

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<v Speaker 6>from New York one time, had a van full of stuff,

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<v Speaker 6>and it was like two in the morning.

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<v Speaker 5>I pulled up.

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<v Speaker 6>You know, my wife was sleep or whatever, and I

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<v Speaker 6>was just like, yo, you know, I got to oh,

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<v Speaker 6>I had to run to the store to get some

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<v Speaker 6>pampers or something, I believe, And so I didn't unpack

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<v Speaker 6>the stuff from the van.

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<v Speaker 5>I just went to the store.

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<v Speaker 6>I didn't know they was watching me, so I went

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<v Speaker 6>so yeah, So so I went around the corner to

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<v Speaker 6>the store in her car Right.

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<v Speaker 5>But when I came back, she was in the house.

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<v Speaker 6>With the face. They was in the house. There was

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<v Speaker 6>confiscating every single.

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<v Speaker 5>Movie that I just want you.

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<v Speaker 6>They got everything from the van and any any movie

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<v Speaker 6>I had in the house, even if it was your

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<v Speaker 6>family vacation.

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<v Speaker 5>If it was they took every single video tape DVD.

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<v Speaker 2>You can't be trusted with no video images.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, all your family, all your family memory memories.

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<v Speaker 4>This shit is under investigation.

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<v Speaker 3>Also, don't be don't be a Disney that's trademark, that's

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<v Speaker 3>that's copyright first in the Disney world.

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<v Speaker 2>She just had him in the house, bro, She like

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<v Speaker 2>the mother from Blow. She just let him in.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, that was the thing.

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<v Speaker 6>And I was like, but you know, she didn't come

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<v Speaker 6>from that element, so she didn't really you know what

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<v Speaker 6>I mean.

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<v Speaker 5>She just like they knocked, they told it, open the door,

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<v Speaker 5>and she did. She didn't know that there was a

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<v Speaker 5>whole ring right right right.

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<v Speaker 6>So And there was another time I was at a

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<v Speaker 6>comic book shop, believe it or not, in Greensboro, North Carolina.

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<v Speaker 6>I swear to you, I'm sitting, I'm standing, I'm standing

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<v Speaker 6>at the comic book rack, and I'm looking at a

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<v Speaker 6>book and this this white dude and just playing clothes.

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<v Speaker 6>He steps next to me and he's like, so, what

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<v Speaker 6>kind of movies you got? And that's the first I'm

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<v Speaker 6>thinking he's just a customer. So I'm like, I'm like,

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<v Speaker 6>you know what I mean, like so so, But I

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<v Speaker 6>started asking some questions and I realized.

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<v Speaker 4>It's a sting operation, exactly exactly and so and so.

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<v Speaker 6>But it was too late. He already took everything. He

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<v Speaker 6>took everything I had in the car. And then I

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<v Speaker 6>just started realizing like, okay, they're just keeping a close.

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<v Speaker 5>Eye on me. So yeah, yeah, you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 5>I needed to stop.

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<v Speaker 1>Making government waste money on that's a whole sting operation

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<v Speaker 1>you gotta go through to do this.

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<v Speaker 3>Because I was gonna somewhere I was going to ask

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<v Speaker 3>if you had ever sold to a white person, like

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<v Speaker 3>any bootleg copies of the movies and stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 3>But then you just answer my question, and that turned

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<v Speaker 3>out to be to your demise.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, Well, we used.

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<v Speaker 6>To get stopped because on the New Jersey Turnpike we

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<v Speaker 6>could stop, uh, you know a few times, and like

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<v Speaker 6>the troopers would just take movies and leave.

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<v Speaker 5>They wouldn't even arrest us or writers.

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<v Speaker 6>So they would just be like, what you got, you

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<v Speaker 6>know what I'm saying, take a bunch of movies and

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<v Speaker 6>let us go.

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<v Speaker 5>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, this is a good thing to be

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<v Speaker 1>a staate tube where you come home with like a

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<v Speaker 1>like DVD, some microwaves, half a yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, get whatever you want, money you want.

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<v Speaker 2>Five thousand, yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>Baby, we don't got to worry about it.

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<v Speaker 5>For the week.

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<v Speaker 4>I got everything we need.

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<v Speaker 3>A bus and now later it's just like, yeah, you're.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, thoughts man. There was so much.

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<v Speaker 3>There were so many other things the government really should

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<v Speaker 3>have been preoccupied with absolutely instead of Carl flipping barbershop.

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<v Speaker 2>We had, right, it was a year of a lot

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<v Speaker 2>going on.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know how much you remember about this year,

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<v Speaker 1>but you know, we we had our research and dig

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<v Speaker 1>deep and we were pulling some stuff that we felt

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<v Speaker 1>was super interesting to us. I know, I mean, the

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<v Speaker 1>Homeland Security Act gets dropped in two thousand and two,

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<v Speaker 1>and here we are now.

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<v Speaker 4>Here we are now and here we are now you.

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<v Speaker 5>Know what I mean?

0:21:44.520 --> 0:21:48.280
<v Speaker 1>Bush set this thing in emotion and now and now

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<v Speaker 1>we're here. But so I'm trying to think, like, could

0:21:51.320 --> 0:21:53.639
<v Speaker 1>we have as a as a people, we haven't been

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<v Speaker 1>able to transport the proper amount of lotion since two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand and two. I didn't like it had been that

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<v Speaker 1>long that we had to get used to that.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess this is.

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<v Speaker 4>Just like months shy of September eleventh.

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<v Speaker 3>So this was like you know, you know, once a big,

0:22:10.880 --> 0:22:14.000
<v Speaker 3>once a big terrorist attack like that happens. Truly, this

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<v Speaker 3>was like the altering of how we lived our life. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>we remember the color, the color system we were on.

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<v Speaker 4>Like red.

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<v Speaker 1>We was all ready for many and then it feels

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<v Speaker 1>like the towers came down and then like the next

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<v Speaker 1>day they were like, y'all, don't get to have lotion,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was like I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't even know the connection.

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<v Speaker 3>Get on the plane as everybody on the plane, ashy.

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<v Speaker 1>Nobody used lotion in these attacks. Nobody used lotion.

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<v Speaker 2>Taking the lotion.

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<v Speaker 3>Throat dry, no water, no water, no water bottles, throat dry.

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<v Speaker 1>And we still gotten our ship back. Like you go

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<v Speaker 1>to Europe, they'll just scan your bottle. You put it

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<v Speaker 1>in this machine and they scan it and they we

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<v Speaker 1>just got our shoes and they take them and they go,

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<v Speaker 1>we just got our shoes.

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<v Speaker 5>Bro.

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<v Speaker 2>We still can't drink nothing.

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<v Speaker 4>They can't drink nothing.

0:23:00.760 --> 0:23:02.840
<v Speaker 2>You can't even bring a certain amount of soup. If

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<v Speaker 2>the soup.

0:23:05.080 --> 0:23:07.360
<v Speaker 1>They'll get that soup from. You don't funk around trying

0:23:07.359 --> 0:23:08.400
<v Speaker 1>and bring no childer through.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, yeah, but.

0:23:10.720 --> 0:23:13.480
<v Speaker 3>It's I'd say that though, Like, and tell me if

0:23:13.520 --> 0:23:16.359
<v Speaker 3>you agree with this, Carl, Like, I think that in

0:23:16.400 --> 0:23:22.280
<v Speaker 3>the age of Trump, there is a romanticism, romanticization all

0:23:22.320 --> 0:23:24.520
<v Speaker 3>of the things that George because back then we were like,

0:23:24.560 --> 0:23:28.760
<v Speaker 3>George Brush Bush is the most terrible, idiotic, numb nut ass,

0:23:29.040 --> 0:23:31.440
<v Speaker 3>you know, fucking dummy that we've ever had in office.

0:23:31.520 --> 0:23:33.280
<v Speaker 4>And now we're looking at Bush.

0:23:33.359 --> 0:23:36.680
<v Speaker 3>I mean I watched George Bush interviews like we could

0:23:36.680 --> 0:23:37.880
<v Speaker 3>have we we used to have it all.

0:23:39.359 --> 0:23:42.879
<v Speaker 2>But I'm back he was not that bad, you know.

0:23:43.600 --> 0:23:46.639
<v Speaker 3>I mean, you don't the devil on my shoulder and

0:23:46.680 --> 0:23:48.600
<v Speaker 3>the Angel and my shoulders are both saying kind of

0:23:48.600 --> 0:23:52.159
<v Speaker 3>the same thing, right right, I.

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<v Speaker 5>Mean, I mean, yeah, I mean I do. I mean,

0:23:56.040 --> 0:23:59.000
<v Speaker 5>I mean, you know, Bush is definitely a funnier president.

0:23:59.119 --> 0:24:00.800
<v Speaker 5>I mean, he definitely gave us a lot more.

0:24:01.640 --> 0:24:04.080
<v Speaker 6>I mean Trump is like, like there's a lot of

0:24:04.640 --> 0:24:06.840
<v Speaker 6>it's weird because it's like he does a lot of

0:24:07.200 --> 0:24:09.920
<v Speaker 6>crazy shit and some things you would laugh at if

0:24:09.920 --> 0:24:12.600
<v Speaker 6>it wasn't real, it wasn't really you know, you know,

0:24:12.680 --> 0:24:15.360
<v Speaker 6>but but Bush was Bush was just kind of more

0:24:15.400 --> 0:24:18.399
<v Speaker 6>idiotic and would say a lot of crazy things. But

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<v Speaker 6>I would say this, I think from nine to eleven

0:24:21.800 --> 0:24:26.679
<v Speaker 6>up up until today, I personally, I feel like losing

0:24:26.680 --> 0:24:30.520
<v Speaker 6>the patriarch patriarch was something. I feel like this's been

0:24:30.560 --> 0:24:32.399
<v Speaker 6>in the works for a while, and I feel like

0:24:32.400 --> 0:24:35.320
<v Speaker 6>we're seeing the continuation of that play out because I

0:24:35.359 --> 0:24:37.200
<v Speaker 6>do believe that this is, at the end of the day,

0:24:37.240 --> 0:24:39.960
<v Speaker 6>about ultimately having all the power that.

0:24:39.920 --> 0:24:41.840
<v Speaker 5>You can possibly have over the entire world.

0:24:41.920 --> 0:24:45.879
<v Speaker 6>So I think if it's many of these opportunities to

0:24:46.440 --> 0:24:48.000
<v Speaker 6>you know, I mean, yeah, you were moving, you were

0:24:48.000 --> 0:24:50.600
<v Speaker 6>removing people's civil liberties and rights and things like that,

0:24:50.760 --> 0:24:54.240
<v Speaker 6>but that comes with fear, and that fear is attached

0:24:54.280 --> 0:24:55.720
<v Speaker 6>to other moves that they're trying to make.

0:24:55.720 --> 0:24:57.480
<v Speaker 5>So I do feel like a lot of times.

0:24:57.320 --> 0:24:59.159
<v Speaker 6>You're getting like a you know, you're getting like a

0:24:59.800 --> 0:25:02.679
<v Speaker 6>you a problem, a reaction and a solution type of

0:25:02.880 --> 0:25:05.640
<v Speaker 6>formula that they that they've been using for years and

0:25:05.640 --> 0:25:07.600
<v Speaker 6>now we're just saying it reach a peak.

0:25:07.920 --> 0:25:11.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know, I mean, I would say, like George

0:25:11.720 --> 0:25:16.800
<v Speaker 1>Bush is like John Candy and Donald Trump is like

0:25:16.920 --> 0:25:19.800
<v Speaker 1>Andrew Dice Clay, you know what I mean. Like George

0:25:20.080 --> 0:25:23.120
<v Speaker 1>is like it's like good, wacky fun and it's like, ah,

0:25:23.200 --> 0:25:24.080
<v Speaker 1>this guy is kind.

0:25:23.960 --> 0:25:27.080
<v Speaker 2>Of a mess. And then then like Trump is like

0:25:28.000 --> 0:25:29.399
<v Speaker 2>fuck Spanish people, you know what.

0:25:30.920 --> 0:25:37.199
<v Speaker 3>You like, It's vindiculous with no real like understanding of

0:25:37.280 --> 0:25:40.880
<v Speaker 3>like actual laws he has, Like at least George Bush, Yeah,

0:25:40.880 --> 0:25:43.679
<v Speaker 3>he was an uneducated fool, but like he kind of

0:25:43.720 --> 0:25:45.720
<v Speaker 3>like he's still at a certainly there was a degree

0:25:45.760 --> 0:25:48.000
<v Speaker 3>of the quorum and respect he was.

0:25:48.040 --> 0:25:49.639
<v Speaker 2>He was raised to He.

0:25:51.280 --> 0:25:53.440
<v Speaker 1>Was raised to be a politician. He came from a

0:25:53.440 --> 0:25:58.600
<v Speaker 1>little sense about like what stuff was. And Trump is

0:25:58.640 --> 0:25:59.760
<v Speaker 1>like straight off the.

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<v Speaker 2>Street of quick Years in that world.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I'm not saying he's poor, but like in

0:26:05.160 --> 0:26:07.159
<v Speaker 1>that realm, he's kind of like a just a hood,

0:26:07.320 --> 0:26:07.919
<v Speaker 1>you know what.

0:26:08.119 --> 0:26:10.040
<v Speaker 3>You know what I would say in Carl's case too,

0:26:10.680 --> 0:26:13.399
<v Speaker 3>if we were to flip these administrations based on the

0:26:13.800 --> 0:26:16.919
<v Speaker 3>time periods that they were in Trump's Trump's America in

0:26:16.920 --> 0:26:19.119
<v Speaker 3>two thousand and two, you would not have had the

0:26:19.200 --> 0:26:21.600
<v Speaker 3>fairs at your door knocking at your dove for movies.

0:26:22.200 --> 0:26:24.160
<v Speaker 3>You know what I'm saying, because there's a law there's

0:26:24.200 --> 0:26:26.280
<v Speaker 3>a lawlessness attached to Trump's.

0:26:25.880 --> 0:26:27.720
<v Speaker 4>America, where like no, he don't got time for that,

0:26:27.720 --> 0:26:28.800
<v Speaker 4>I ain't got time for a Carl.

0:26:29.000 --> 0:26:32.600
<v Speaker 3>You know that department don't even exist the movie the movies,

0:26:32.720 --> 0:26:34.440
<v Speaker 3>the movie like crack Down that don't.

0:26:34.240 --> 0:26:39.960
<v Speaker 1>Even exist, and trying if you were Venezuela, yeah, no, d.

0:26:42.359 --> 0:26:53.760
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that was you gotta go, oh god, oh my god.

0:26:54.520 --> 0:26:57.160
<v Speaker 3>Oh but yeah, I mean George Bush was doing a lot.

0:26:57.640 --> 0:27:01.440
<v Speaker 3>I mean it was also the child hind and look

0:27:01.560 --> 0:27:03.760
<v Speaker 3>at what we've had to deal with that.

0:27:03.920 --> 0:27:05.560
<v Speaker 2>I feel I feel very left behind.

0:27:05.640 --> 0:27:11.440
<v Speaker 4>You do, I guess I feel like there's a lot

0:27:11.600 --> 0:27:13.399
<v Speaker 4>that I should know that I just simply do not.

0:27:16.560 --> 0:27:20.200
<v Speaker 1>But it's so it's so interesting that that at that point,

0:27:20.359 --> 0:27:22.159
<v Speaker 1>you know, that's where kind of even when you do

0:27:22.359 --> 0:27:25.840
<v Speaker 1>there was like Bush Trump comparisons. It's like Bush is like, hey,

0:27:25.960 --> 0:27:27.600
<v Speaker 1>we gotta educate every kid.

0:27:27.640 --> 0:27:27.800
<v Speaker 5>Now.

0:27:27.920 --> 0:27:29.840
<v Speaker 2>His approach to it was not good.

0:27:29.960 --> 0:27:32.120
<v Speaker 1>The testing and like this is the way we're gonna

0:27:32.119 --> 0:27:34.960
<v Speaker 1>go about it is like wow. But then Trump's like

0:27:35.040 --> 0:27:36.720
<v Speaker 1>burn the books and I don't give a fuck what

0:27:36.800 --> 0:27:38.000
<v Speaker 1>they know.

0:27:39.119 --> 0:27:40.880
<v Speaker 2>I don't care what information.

0:27:42.000 --> 0:27:43.240
<v Speaker 4>Black and white history.

0:27:43.640 --> 0:27:47.160
<v Speaker 3>History honestly, fu history, Like I don't give a burn

0:27:47.200 --> 0:27:49.160
<v Speaker 3>all these books. They don't have to know how to count,

0:27:49.359 --> 0:27:54.240
<v Speaker 3>they don't know how to read. TikTok, teach thee.

0:27:54.560 --> 0:27:56.120
<v Speaker 5>He is here for the educated.

0:27:56.280 --> 0:27:58.560
<v Speaker 3>He is I want everybody to be just as ugly

0:27:58.560 --> 0:28:02.800
<v Speaker 3>and dumb as I am. It's literally, you know that

0:28:03.000 --> 0:28:04.040
<v Speaker 3>is wild.

0:28:18.640 --> 0:28:18.879
<v Speaker 4>I do.

0:28:19.080 --> 0:28:22.040
<v Speaker 1>I do remember though, like being in school in the

0:28:22.119 --> 0:28:27.400
<v Speaker 1>testing stuff like kicking and and like the exit test,

0:28:27.440 --> 0:28:30.520
<v Speaker 1>and it's like you can't even get out of school.

0:28:30.560 --> 0:28:31.560
<v Speaker 2>That was not the case.

0:28:31.760 --> 0:28:34.399
<v Speaker 1>At one point you could graduate without like passing some

0:28:34.680 --> 0:28:37.639
<v Speaker 1>like national tests. And then was like nah, like you

0:28:37.680 --> 0:28:40.120
<v Speaker 1>can't even get out of here. I remember that booming

0:28:40.160 --> 0:28:42.400
<v Speaker 1>over me. I remember being like, dude, I've already been

0:28:42.440 --> 0:28:43.080
<v Speaker 1>kept back once.

0:28:43.120 --> 0:28:44.720
<v Speaker 2>I don't got I got to make it out before

0:28:44.760 --> 0:28:45.320
<v Speaker 2>this test hit.

0:28:45.560 --> 0:28:46.240
<v Speaker 5>I mean it was.

0:28:47.760 --> 0:28:50.360
<v Speaker 1>Because I got kept back in high school. And I

0:28:50.400 --> 0:28:54.400
<v Speaker 1>remember it was like a year it was coming, and

0:28:54.440 --> 0:28:58.840
<v Speaker 1>I was like, if I get kept back again, I'm fussed.

0:29:00.040 --> 0:29:01.160
<v Speaker 2>I gotta get out.

0:29:01.320 --> 0:29:02.760
<v Speaker 4>I got to apply to my stuff.

0:29:02.800 --> 0:29:06.040
<v Speaker 1>I got I gotta I gotta start doing my homework.

0:29:06.160 --> 0:29:08.640
<v Speaker 3>Well, I did see someone post a couple of days

0:29:08.640 --> 0:29:10.760
<v Speaker 3>ago and It made me laugh really loud. Someone did

0:29:10.760 --> 0:29:13.479
<v Speaker 3>like a tweet and they said, you know, the problem

0:29:13.520 --> 0:29:16.280
<v Speaker 3>with society today is the fact that the group A

0:29:16.560 --> 0:29:20.280
<v Speaker 3>and the group B people are forced to intermingle socially. Now,

0:29:20.480 --> 0:29:22.720
<v Speaker 3>remember back in the day, you were like group A

0:29:22.960 --> 0:29:25.479
<v Speaker 3>or group group one, group two, And you know what,

0:29:25.520 --> 0:29:31.520
<v Speaker 3>there's some validity to that Statementody, we all interacting and

0:29:31.560 --> 0:29:33.040
<v Speaker 3>working the same jobs and ship and now, and it

0:29:33.080 --> 0:29:33.680
<v Speaker 3>didn't used.

0:29:33.520 --> 0:29:34.040
<v Speaker 5>To be that way.

0:29:34.080 --> 0:29:36.640
<v Speaker 4>Group two was always because with groups, I gotta keep

0:29:36.680 --> 0:29:36.960
<v Speaker 4>it real.

0:29:37.400 --> 0:29:39.600
<v Speaker 3>One time I got put in group two and I

0:29:39.800 --> 0:29:42.200
<v Speaker 3>was like, oh, it's it's ghetto over here. I gotta

0:29:42.200 --> 0:29:45.440
<v Speaker 3>get I know, I know, I read didn't count faster

0:29:45.560 --> 0:29:50.000
<v Speaker 3>than this, just how capitalism starts. That's exactly how capitalism starts.

0:29:50.040 --> 0:29:54.240
<v Speaker 1>And I got kept bad because I didn't have enough

0:29:54.280 --> 0:29:55.560
<v Speaker 1>points since in something.

0:29:55.880 --> 0:29:58.400
<v Speaker 2>But I never got put in like the lower group.

0:29:58.680 --> 0:29:59.719
<v Speaker 4>Sure you know what I mean.

0:30:00.600 --> 0:30:02.200
<v Speaker 2>You would watch that group move.

0:30:02.240 --> 0:30:04.640
<v Speaker 4>And you knew, you knew once you started being around.

0:30:04.720 --> 0:30:06.800
<v Speaker 2>They were like, we're not tracking students, but it was like,

0:30:07.000 --> 0:30:07.480
<v Speaker 2>this isru.

0:30:07.560 --> 0:30:10.640
<v Speaker 4>I'm sitting with the motherfuckers who are finger and that doesn't.

0:30:10.360 --> 0:30:16.240
<v Speaker 2>Feel This classroom looks a little suss We had a.

0:30:16.320 --> 0:30:18.880
<v Speaker 6>We had a school that was like for like bad kids,

0:30:19.000 --> 0:30:24.000
<v Speaker 6>like you know or whatever, like and you know, and yeah,

0:30:24.200 --> 0:30:25.520
<v Speaker 6>it was one of those things. And I ended up

0:30:25.560 --> 0:30:26.840
<v Speaker 6>having to go to that school at some point in

0:30:26.960 --> 0:30:30.080
<v Speaker 6>high school. Right, But it was crazy because they should

0:30:30.080 --> 0:30:33.240
<v Speaker 6>have had it was like anybody who had any kind

0:30:33.280 --> 0:30:35.480
<v Speaker 6>of problems in school went there and and and so

0:30:35.520 --> 0:30:37.600
<v Speaker 6>I'm now there with people that actually brought guns to

0:30:37.640 --> 0:30:40.040
<v Speaker 6>school and maybe actually stabbed somebody.

0:30:40.280 --> 0:30:42.320
<v Speaker 2>And they don't know that you're just a low level

0:30:42.360 --> 0:30:44.080
<v Speaker 2>boot like that's where you life.

0:30:44.720 --> 0:30:47.720
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, you shouldn't be in the same class to do

0:30:47.800 --> 0:30:49.440
<v Speaker 4>who was getting ready to shoot you up? At Floppers?

0:30:49.440 --> 0:30:54.240
<v Speaker 2>What you're saying, right, eventually sell something.

0:30:56.320 --> 0:30:57.160
<v Speaker 4>And that's what I'm saying.

0:30:57.240 --> 0:30:58.040
<v Speaker 5>Group ain't group B.

0:30:59.080 --> 0:31:01.120
<v Speaker 3>Y'all were forced to go to the same class at

0:31:01.160 --> 0:31:02.920
<v Speaker 3>some point, and y'all were not supposed to happen.

0:31:02.960 --> 0:31:03.960
<v Speaker 4>I was not supposed to open that.

0:31:05.960 --> 0:31:12.680
<v Speaker 2>They're all going to the same African though, Like you

0:31:12.800 --> 0:31:14.360
<v Speaker 2>go to the left for the cooke, you come to

0:31:14.440 --> 0:31:14.680
<v Speaker 2>the right.

0:31:19.560 --> 0:31:25.320
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, oh man, stupid, what would you say? What would

0:31:25.360 --> 0:31:26.520
<v Speaker 4>you say for you? Sam?

0:31:27.000 --> 0:31:27.040
<v Speaker 1>Was?

0:31:27.120 --> 0:31:28.000
<v Speaker 4>Because how old were you?

0:31:28.120 --> 0:31:28.360
<v Speaker 5>Karl?

0:31:28.680 --> 0:31:29.479
<v Speaker 2>He doesn't want to tell us.

0:31:29.480 --> 0:31:30.640
<v Speaker 4>He wont he doesn't want to give away.

0:31:33.040 --> 0:31:36.880
<v Speaker 1>To give it away, we'll google Hollywood, Carl Over here,

0:31:37.280 --> 0:31:39.640
<v Speaker 1>Go Go, and will announce it on the pod.

0:31:39.840 --> 0:31:43.040
<v Speaker 4>But okay, we then, Sam, I will tell the truth.

0:31:44.600 --> 0:31:45.400
<v Speaker 2>I'm unashamed.

0:31:45.400 --> 0:31:45.760
<v Speaker 5>Who were you?

0:31:46.360 --> 0:31:53.600
<v Speaker 2>I two thousand two, I am twenty. I'm twenty years old.

0:31:53.920 --> 0:31:54.120
<v Speaker 5>Drink.

0:31:54.200 --> 0:31:56.320
<v Speaker 2>Just can't drink, but I'm drinking, but you drinking.

0:31:57.800 --> 0:31:58.360
<v Speaker 5>A true.

0:32:00.280 --> 0:32:02.040
<v Speaker 2>I can't drink, but I am drinking.

0:32:01.920 --> 0:32:02.640
<v Speaker 5>Drink drinking.

0:32:02.720 --> 0:32:05.560
<v Speaker 1>I'm living, I'm living in Boston, Still hang out with

0:32:05.600 --> 0:32:07.520
<v Speaker 1>my friends. We used to like do this thing called

0:32:07.560 --> 0:32:09.680
<v Speaker 1>pizza and smearing off nights when we'd get smearing off

0:32:09.720 --> 0:32:12.360
<v Speaker 1>ice and we'd get pizza and we'd get drunk off

0:32:12.400 --> 0:32:13.880
<v Speaker 1>smearing off ice, which.

0:32:13.720 --> 0:32:15.080
<v Speaker 4>Is wild to do.

0:32:15.720 --> 0:32:18.440
<v Speaker 1>To actually get truly fucked up off ice takes a

0:32:18.480 --> 0:32:20.480
<v Speaker 1>lot of smell off ice. But we would drink tons

0:32:20.480 --> 0:32:22.680
<v Speaker 1>of smell of ice, eat pizza, watch movies. There was

0:32:22.720 --> 0:32:24.640
<v Speaker 1>this place we would go play pool, and I didn't

0:32:24.640 --> 0:32:25.880
<v Speaker 1>know how to play pool, but it was just about

0:32:25.880 --> 0:32:26.160
<v Speaker 1>the hang.

0:32:26.320 --> 0:32:28.080
<v Speaker 2>I still don't know how to play pool. I was

0:32:28.120 --> 0:32:28.840
<v Speaker 2>sucking dicks.

0:32:29.480 --> 0:32:35.840
<v Speaker 3>Oh okay, yep, I was okay, I was okay, skill

0:32:35.960 --> 0:32:40.040
<v Speaker 3>level oh talking about it, I had a man.

0:32:40.320 --> 0:32:47.200
<v Speaker 1>I had me a man, Honey, I you know what

0:32:47.320 --> 0:32:49.080
<v Speaker 1>I do a joke where I said I'm not I

0:32:49.280 --> 0:32:51.640
<v Speaker 1>was not good at it, but I don't.

0:32:51.800 --> 0:32:53.520
<v Speaker 2>I think I was good at I think I was.

0:32:53.680 --> 0:32:53.920
<v Speaker 5>I was.

0:32:54.120 --> 0:32:57.560
<v Speaker 1>I was decent because I would suck dick, Like how

0:32:57.600 --> 0:33:00.200
<v Speaker 1>would I want my dick sucked? So I would think

0:33:00.240 --> 0:33:00.520
<v Speaker 1>about that.

0:33:01.640 --> 0:33:04.040
<v Speaker 3>So you were second with being like a gay lesbian.

0:33:04.360 --> 0:33:09.960
<v Speaker 3>I was just like, well, treat people how you want

0:33:10.000 --> 0:33:10.080
<v Speaker 3>to be.

0:33:12.680 --> 0:33:13.160
<v Speaker 2>If I was.

0:33:15.640 --> 0:33:19.440
<v Speaker 1>Like straight, life was just me like vicariously living through

0:33:19.800 --> 0:33:22.760
<v Speaker 1>my boyfriend. It was very weird, like he would like

0:33:22.920 --> 0:33:24.720
<v Speaker 1>I would like dress him because I felt like he

0:33:24.760 --> 0:33:26.840
<v Speaker 1>didn't know how to wear ship. But I realized I

0:33:26.880 --> 0:33:28.720
<v Speaker 1>was just dressing him how I wanted to dress, Like

0:33:28.720 --> 0:33:31.240
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, no, get this, get this, that's fly that

0:33:31.360 --> 0:33:33.800
<v Speaker 1>looks better, Like that looks crazy to do this, and

0:33:33.840 --> 0:33:36.200
<v Speaker 1>it's like this is just all like stuff I want

0:33:36.240 --> 0:33:38.720
<v Speaker 1>to wear. And I realized I had this moment where

0:33:38.720 --> 0:33:40.920
<v Speaker 1>I realized, like something is off because I remember that

0:33:41.040 --> 0:33:43.640
<v Speaker 1>he was like he was very into Beyonce and at

0:33:43.720 --> 0:33:44.880
<v Speaker 1>one point like.

0:33:46.600 --> 0:33:51.719
<v Speaker 2>He wanted like like not like not like I love Beyonce,

0:33:52.040 --> 0:33:54.240
<v Speaker 2>like I think she's hot Beyonce.

0:33:54.440 --> 0:33:57.000
<v Speaker 4>That not like Beyonce.

0:33:59.160 --> 0:34:04.160
<v Speaker 2>He's still straight out. Don't don't trying to make everyone

0:34:04.200 --> 0:34:08.239
<v Speaker 2>get Oh my god, we're not doing that trying to

0:34:08.280 --> 0:34:09.040
<v Speaker 2>make everyone get that.

0:34:09.840 --> 0:34:11.319
<v Speaker 1>I don't care if he is gay, but I don't

0:34:11.320 --> 0:34:13.560
<v Speaker 1>think he's gay. We're not gonna mismirch this man's name

0:34:14.239 --> 0:34:18.040
<v Speaker 1>in that way. But he thought Beyonce was very attractive.

0:34:18.480 --> 0:34:20.520
<v Speaker 1>And I remember one day he was talking ship and

0:34:20.600 --> 0:34:22.960
<v Speaker 1>he was feeling himself. And this is after my makeover,

0:34:23.040 --> 0:34:24.839
<v Speaker 1>by the way, I had to completely make this dude over.

0:34:25.120 --> 0:34:26.960
<v Speaker 2>I made him hot. He was not hot. I saw

0:34:27.040 --> 0:34:27.640
<v Speaker 2>the potential.

0:34:27.760 --> 0:34:29.520
<v Speaker 1>He was out here changing men, yes, because I saw

0:34:29.640 --> 0:34:31.080
<v Speaker 1>the potential, but I was like, you don't know what

0:34:31.200 --> 0:34:32.000
<v Speaker 1>to do with yourself.

0:34:32.080 --> 0:34:34.720
<v Speaker 2>But it was also me like he was like my avatar.

0:34:34.880 --> 0:34:37.600
<v Speaker 4>I was like, I'm gonna you were dressing him how you.

0:34:41.200 --> 0:34:43.759
<v Speaker 2>And he was feeling him so and he was like, yeah,

0:34:44.200 --> 0:34:46.399
<v Speaker 2>I could. I could pull Beyonce. And my first thought

0:34:46.480 --> 0:34:48.319
<v Speaker 2>was like, nigga, if I can't fuck Beyonce, you can't

0:34:48.360 --> 0:34:52.040
<v Speaker 2>funk Beyonce. And I was like, that's crazy. Immediately in

0:34:52.120 --> 0:34:53.760
<v Speaker 2>my mind, what this happened?

0:34:54.480 --> 0:34:57.120
<v Speaker 1>Why did you think that that's not what you're supposed

0:34:57.120 --> 0:34:59.359
<v Speaker 1>to be thinking, you're supposed to be jealous of your

0:34:59.360 --> 0:34:59.960
<v Speaker 1>boyfriend or.

0:35:00.120 --> 0:35:04.080
<v Speaker 4>Upset, just like I would. I would eat way better

0:35:04.160 --> 0:35:06.040
<v Speaker 4>than you yourself.

0:35:06.680 --> 0:35:09.160
<v Speaker 2>It was just an immediate and I was like, that's insane.

0:35:09.680 --> 0:35:11.320
<v Speaker 3>Well, I'll ask you this. This is my this is

0:35:11.360 --> 0:35:13.279
<v Speaker 3>my follow up question. This is my follow up question

0:35:13.360 --> 0:35:17.040
<v Speaker 3>for you. So in two thousand and two, the Patriots.

0:35:17.719 --> 0:35:23.640
<v Speaker 5>That's the crazy, that's the craziest. That's the craziest. But

0:35:23.719 --> 0:35:25.040
<v Speaker 5>that was to Jesus moment.

0:35:25.800 --> 0:35:28.640
<v Speaker 1>I was like, I didn't get it right at that moment.

0:35:28.719 --> 0:35:31.400
<v Speaker 1>But I put that in a like little folder and

0:35:31.560 --> 0:35:32.800
<v Speaker 1>I said, something's off.

0:35:33.960 --> 0:35:34.560
<v Speaker 4>Something's off.

0:35:35.239 --> 0:35:35.800
<v Speaker 2>I filed it.

0:35:35.920 --> 0:35:37.279
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, there's some self work that I got to.

0:35:37.760 --> 0:35:38.719
<v Speaker 2>I got to figure out something.

0:35:38.880 --> 0:35:40.080
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, well, I will.

0:35:40.080 --> 0:35:42.759
<v Speaker 3>Say to to My follow up question for you is

0:35:42.840 --> 0:35:46.279
<v Speaker 3>the fact that, Okay, so the Patriots, your Patriots didn't

0:35:46.280 --> 0:35:50.399
<v Speaker 3>win the Super Bowl that year, So in celebration, did

0:35:50.480 --> 0:35:51.239
<v Speaker 3>you stuck his day?

0:35:52.120 --> 0:35:57.680
<v Speaker 2>He wasn't big into football, Okay, Like.

0:35:57.760 --> 0:35:59.960
<v Speaker 5>I said, I like football.

0:36:05.719 --> 0:36:10.040
<v Speaker 2>We could probably call on the phone, I would say,

0:36:10.320 --> 0:36:12.560
<v Speaker 2>I will. I will venture to say I probably sucked

0:36:12.840 --> 0:36:18.319
<v Speaker 2>because I was happy the patient, because I was very

0:36:18.400 --> 0:36:19.440
<v Speaker 2>much into football.

0:36:19.680 --> 0:36:22.319
<v Speaker 4>Fantastic. I got, I got, I got everything I wanted

0:36:22.360 --> 0:36:30.680
<v Speaker 4>out of that question, thank you? Yeah, yeah, yeah, we

0:36:30.800 --> 0:36:31.960
<v Speaker 4>had good times also.

0:36:32.400 --> 0:36:35.560
<v Speaker 3>Okay, so Sam, while you were having a pizza and

0:36:35.600 --> 0:36:41.120
<v Speaker 3>smearnoff you know nights were you were, you also tapped

0:36:41.120 --> 0:36:43.359
<v Speaker 3>into popular culture like did you have a smear enof

0:36:43.360 --> 0:36:45.640
<v Speaker 3>in pizza in here? When Michael Jackson dangled his infants

0:36:45.680 --> 0:36:46.799
<v Speaker 3>on Prince over the back?

0:36:47.440 --> 0:36:47.680
<v Speaker 5>Yeah?

0:36:49.160 --> 0:36:51.239
<v Speaker 4>You do you have any fond memories of this event?

0:36:52.040 --> 0:36:53.640
<v Speaker 5>I don't know if they were fond memories, but I

0:36:53.880 --> 0:36:54.320
<v Speaker 5>remember it.

0:36:55.320 --> 0:36:57.000
<v Speaker 4>Did you did you that video and put it in

0:36:57.040 --> 0:36:59.920
<v Speaker 4>the barbershops? Also, of course I.

0:37:04.239 --> 0:37:07.480
<v Speaker 1>Remember I just when he dangled the baby this that

0:37:07.680 --> 0:37:09.960
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. At that point, we were so far

0:37:10.080 --> 0:37:13.040
<v Speaker 1>gone with Michael Jackson, like you know what I mean?

0:37:13.200 --> 0:37:16.480
<v Speaker 1>It was there was so much erratic behavior, and Wacko

0:37:16.640 --> 0:37:19.440
<v Speaker 1>Jacko was already a thing. Remember that Wacko Jacko and

0:37:19.520 --> 0:37:21.680
<v Speaker 1>all that was already a thing that, like the baby

0:37:21.760 --> 0:37:25.320
<v Speaker 1>dangle was just another thing. I think for the black community,

0:37:25.400 --> 0:37:27.600
<v Speaker 1>we just were more like that, ain't his goddamn baby,

0:37:27.640 --> 0:37:31.879
<v Speaker 1>that white ass bag. Whether we saw just the baby's legs,

0:37:31.960 --> 0:37:34.560
<v Speaker 1>dangline on the whole baby on half the baby. Our

0:37:34.600 --> 0:37:37.200
<v Speaker 1>stance on that baby was that, ain't that man's goddamn baby?

0:37:37.360 --> 0:37:43.800
<v Speaker 5>Right right again?

0:37:46.960 --> 0:37:53.719
<v Speaker 3>Yashi again, I just this is this was such like

0:37:53.840 --> 0:37:56.759
<v Speaker 3>a like a like it was like this was the

0:37:56.840 --> 0:37:59.640
<v Speaker 3>moment I feel like where black people we were like,

0:38:00.040 --> 0:38:03.759
<v Speaker 3>we've lost him, like we we've we've lost like we

0:38:04.160 --> 0:38:05.920
<v Speaker 3>used to have him in our grip like we had

0:38:05.960 --> 0:38:08.600
<v Speaker 3>we had Michael Jackson still, But this was the mama

0:38:08.640 --> 0:38:09.880
<v Speaker 3>where it was like, bro, we don't even know what

0:38:09.960 --> 0:38:10.800
<v Speaker 3>to do with him anymore.

0:38:11.040 --> 0:38:14.360
<v Speaker 1>I would are you you're saying this is his Kanye

0:38:14.760 --> 0:38:19.680
<v Speaker 1>KKK black KKK uniform moment.

0:38:19.840 --> 0:38:20.440
<v Speaker 2>I don't know what.

0:38:21.040 --> 0:38:24.200
<v Speaker 3>Just like, hands off the hard part for me, and

0:38:24.280 --> 0:38:25.800
<v Speaker 3>tell me if you agree with this, Carl, it's like

0:38:26.120 --> 0:38:28.680
<v Speaker 3>the hard part of Michael Jackson in comparison, if you're

0:38:28.719 --> 0:38:33.600
<v Speaker 3>gonna compare it to Kanye. Michael never really said things

0:38:33.760 --> 0:38:35.719
<v Speaker 3>to like a thing that not in my recollection that

0:38:35.760 --> 0:38:38.160
<v Speaker 3>he never really said things that had back people being like,

0:38:38.200 --> 0:38:39.120
<v Speaker 3>oh we can't fuck with him?

0:38:39.360 --> 0:38:40.480
<v Speaker 4>Am I wrong in thinking that?

0:38:41.040 --> 0:38:42.400
<v Speaker 5>But you know, you know what, you know what it is?

0:38:42.520 --> 0:38:45.400
<v Speaker 6>I mean I do feel like maybe some of his

0:38:45.560 --> 0:38:48.239
<v Speaker 6>behavior behave more strange or weird or whatever, and then

0:38:48.320 --> 0:38:50.479
<v Speaker 6>maybe he began to look more white, but he also

0:38:50.600 --> 0:38:54.880
<v Speaker 6>started rolling with the Nation of Islam exactly like, and

0:38:54.960 --> 0:38:57.080
<v Speaker 6>the stuff that he was talking about became.

0:38:56.920 --> 0:38:57.720
<v Speaker 5>Really really black.

0:38:57.719 --> 0:38:59.120
<v Speaker 2>But I think that's what pissed us off.

0:38:59.480 --> 0:39:02.480
<v Speaker 1>I think that's what made us even more mad, is like, Bro,

0:39:02.719 --> 0:39:05.040
<v Speaker 1>you've done all this stuff to align yourself with whiteness

0:39:05.120 --> 0:39:08.160
<v Speaker 1>and to literally separate yourself from us, and then now

0:39:08.239 --> 0:39:11.480
<v Speaker 1>that the white people is saying you diddling, now we're

0:39:11.480 --> 0:39:13.359
<v Speaker 1>supposed to come save you, Like, oh Jay, now we're

0:39:13.360 --> 0:39:15.399
<v Speaker 1>supposed to come swoop and now you with the nation

0:39:15.719 --> 0:39:19.120
<v Speaker 1>is now everybody's racist. Now it's time to be black again,

0:39:19.440 --> 0:39:21.440
<v Speaker 1>and now we're supposed to come and stand behind you

0:39:21.680 --> 0:39:22.239
<v Speaker 1>and save you.

0:39:22.640 --> 0:39:24.480
<v Speaker 2>And it's like, no, Michael, this is that you.

0:39:24.800 --> 0:39:27.759
<v Speaker 1>You invited this into your life, So now you go

0:39:28.280 --> 0:39:31.520
<v Speaker 1>if you deal with whatever this is, we're not participating.

0:39:31.560 --> 0:39:33.320
<v Speaker 1>So I think by that point we were kind of

0:39:33.400 --> 0:39:35.360
<v Speaker 1>just done and done and done because we were like,

0:39:35.800 --> 0:39:37.360
<v Speaker 1>you ain't been sure all love to niggas for a

0:39:37.440 --> 0:39:38.080
<v Speaker 1>while now.

0:39:39.280 --> 0:39:41.719
<v Speaker 4>Right, I don't know.

0:39:42.480 --> 0:39:44.560
<v Speaker 3>I just I still in a way feel like there

0:39:44.760 --> 0:39:46.640
<v Speaker 3>was an allegiance because even to this day, black people

0:39:46.640 --> 0:39:47.760
<v Speaker 3>still defend Michael Jackson.

0:39:47.800 --> 0:39:52.120
<v Speaker 1>I think will will we love card and will love forever.

0:39:52.360 --> 0:39:54.640
<v Speaker 1>But I think we were loving from a distance at

0:39:54.680 --> 0:39:59.680
<v Speaker 1>that point. We was crashing out from Jack and then yeah,

0:39:59.760 --> 0:40:01.480
<v Speaker 1>like a family member. And now he's dead, so now

0:40:01.520 --> 0:40:04.560
<v Speaker 1>we back up on a thousand you know what I'm saying, Like,

0:40:04.680 --> 0:40:06.440
<v Speaker 1>and that was full throttle because he's not with us,

0:40:06.440 --> 0:40:07.920
<v Speaker 1>So now it's like, you better not talk about Mike.

0:40:08.120 --> 0:40:11.160
<v Speaker 1>It's just like, uh, anybody like you have a crackhead uncle.

0:40:11.200 --> 0:40:13.400
<v Speaker 1>He's terrible to everybody in the family. He's still but

0:40:13.480 --> 0:40:15.600
<v Speaker 1>we remember the time when he wasn't that crackheaded, and

0:40:16.960 --> 0:40:21.000
<v Speaker 1>you know what I'm saying, Yeah, I've got the way

0:40:21.040 --> 0:40:21.359
<v Speaker 1>it works.

0:40:21.680 --> 0:40:22.120
<v Speaker 5>And then.

0:40:24.239 --> 0:40:25.960
<v Speaker 1>Everyone like kind of writes him off like he's a

0:40:26.000 --> 0:40:28.760
<v Speaker 1>crackhead and he's unsavable and he's stolen from everybody.

0:40:28.960 --> 0:40:31.040
<v Speaker 2>And then he dies and then we're back like, you

0:40:31.160 --> 0:40:36.880
<v Speaker 2>better never say nothing bad about my uncle. JUNI right, right, well,

0:40:36.920 --> 0:40:40.560
<v Speaker 2>I'll fuck you up. That's kind of our relationship with Mike.

0:40:40.920 --> 0:40:45.400
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, and Prince. We don't fuck around. Michael Carl are you.

0:40:45.520 --> 0:40:48.680
<v Speaker 3>I don't know how deep into conspiracies you tend to

0:40:49.239 --> 0:40:50.880
<v Speaker 3>tend to be, but when it comes in relationship to

0:40:50.920 --> 0:40:52.600
<v Speaker 3>Michael Jackson. I don't know if you've heard, but the

0:40:53.320 --> 0:40:57.359
<v Speaker 3>notion that Michael Jackson's voice is a lot deeper than

0:40:57.920 --> 0:40:59.959
<v Speaker 3>than he would play up in the media.

0:41:00.239 --> 0:41:02.800
<v Speaker 4>Are you are you privy to that information? Do you

0:41:03.400 --> 0:41:05.040
<v Speaker 4>do you believe in it at all? What do you

0:41:05.120 --> 0:41:05.759
<v Speaker 4>think that was?

0:41:06.520 --> 0:41:08.680
<v Speaker 6>Well, you know what's funny, I've been hearing that, right,

0:41:08.840 --> 0:41:12.640
<v Speaker 6>and then like a week ago, I actually had this

0:41:12.800 --> 0:41:14.719
<v Speaker 6>got up. This is kind of random, but I had.

0:41:14.840 --> 0:41:18.399
<v Speaker 6>I had lunch with Dougie Fresh right, who actually who

0:41:18.440 --> 0:41:21.759
<v Speaker 6>actually spent some time with Mike and where he was

0:41:21.840 --> 0:41:24.000
<v Speaker 6>in a room just talking regular like with the with

0:41:24.120 --> 0:41:26.440
<v Speaker 6>the deep voice. He said, that is his real like

0:41:26.560 --> 0:41:28.239
<v Speaker 6>that like the voice that we hear in the music

0:41:28.320 --> 0:41:29.879
<v Speaker 6>or when he's doing interviews, that is not his voice.

0:41:29.960 --> 0:41:30.719
<v Speaker 5>That's what he said.

0:41:30.840 --> 0:41:33.680
<v Speaker 6>Like he said, he literally was having conversations with him

0:41:33.680 --> 0:41:34.680
<v Speaker 6>about bitches and ship like that.

0:41:34.880 --> 0:41:37.920
<v Speaker 2>Oh whoa, yeah, I heard that. You didn't hear the tapes.

0:41:38.000 --> 0:41:39.080
<v Speaker 2>This is pre ai.

0:41:39.200 --> 0:41:41.040
<v Speaker 1>You didn't hear those tapes that drop when he was

0:41:41.080 --> 0:41:43.719
<v Speaker 1>talking about his family. He was talking about Joe and

0:41:43.800 --> 0:41:45.840
<v Speaker 1>everybody keep borrowing money from him and he's tired of

0:41:45.880 --> 0:41:46.440
<v Speaker 1>the ship.

0:41:46.280 --> 0:41:48.239
<v Speaker 2>And he was just talking like a nigga talking, talking

0:41:48.320 --> 0:41:50.480
<v Speaker 2>like a nigga. Bro, I was shocking.

0:41:50.520 --> 0:41:52.400
<v Speaker 3>You got the base in his voice that was that

0:41:52.520 --> 0:41:54.400
<v Speaker 3>was a note. That was a note I always got

0:41:54.400 --> 0:41:56.160
<v Speaker 3>from my family. Put some basing your voice.

0:41:57.840 --> 0:41:59.880
<v Speaker 1>He took the bass out because he knew it was threatening,

0:42:00.040 --> 0:42:02.440
<v Speaker 1>and like, I don't I think that because they were

0:42:02.480 --> 0:42:04.360
<v Speaker 1>so used to seeing young like he grew up in

0:42:04.480 --> 0:42:06.359
<v Speaker 1>the ship, you know what I'm saying. So he grew

0:42:06.440 --> 0:42:08.160
<v Speaker 1>up and when he was young, sweet Michael Jackson, he

0:42:08.239 --> 0:42:09.879
<v Speaker 1>was like, that's what everybody loves, and that's what I'm

0:42:09.880 --> 0:42:12.520
<v Speaker 1>always gonna try to present to people. And when the

0:42:12.640 --> 0:42:14.600
<v Speaker 1>balls dropped, he was like a nigga. It was like,

0:42:14.640 --> 0:42:16.920
<v Speaker 1>you can't you can't even you can't even take the

0:42:17.000 --> 0:42:19.200
<v Speaker 1>nigga out and do whatever to his nose, but he gonna,

0:42:19.360 --> 0:42:20.160
<v Speaker 1>it's gonna hitch you.

0:42:20.280 --> 0:42:22.839
<v Speaker 4>Skin might be light, but that voice is still dark.

0:42:25.040 --> 0:42:26.719
<v Speaker 2>Gary Indiana, you know.

0:42:30.760 --> 0:42:32.040
<v Speaker 4>Well I brought I brought.

0:42:31.960 --> 0:42:34.520
<v Speaker 3>Up the conspiracy of it all with that voice because

0:42:34.560 --> 0:42:37.600
<v Speaker 3>of the fact that now I'll follow up with asking

0:42:37.640 --> 0:42:40.520
<v Speaker 3>you this, Carl, there's a there's there's there will always

0:42:40.680 --> 0:42:43.600
<v Speaker 3>be conspiracy theories, but I think this one is always

0:42:43.600 --> 0:42:45.960
<v Speaker 3>at the top of everybody's mind. It will always be

0:42:46.040 --> 0:42:48.640
<v Speaker 3>a conversation of like division people believe in and the

0:42:48.680 --> 0:42:53.360
<v Speaker 3>people don't. Carl, do you believe that man went on

0:42:53.520 --> 0:42:53.839
<v Speaker 3>the moon?

0:42:55.880 --> 0:42:56.000
<v Speaker 2>Oh?

0:42:56.120 --> 0:43:01.080
<v Speaker 5>Wow? So I think I think it happened, But I

0:43:01.160 --> 0:43:03.640
<v Speaker 5>think it didn't happen when they said it happened. Do

0:43:03.760 --> 0:43:05.759
<v Speaker 5>you think it? You know what I'm saying, Well, I

0:43:06.400 --> 0:43:08.319
<v Speaker 5>don't know for a fact. I mean I don't, I don't.

0:43:08.320 --> 0:43:10.360
<v Speaker 6>I mean, I don't know exactly, like, but I just

0:43:10.480 --> 0:43:13.000
<v Speaker 6>think I think that there was a lot of money,

0:43:13.160 --> 0:43:16.279
<v Speaker 6>and there was a lot of I guess uh uh

0:43:17.320 --> 0:43:20.120
<v Speaker 6>exploration that was happening around that time, and I think

0:43:20.200 --> 0:43:23.440
<v Speaker 6>they needed to produce some evidence that they made some progress.

0:43:23.880 --> 0:43:25.880
<v Speaker 6>But I don't think that they did, you know, and

0:43:26.080 --> 0:43:29.520
<v Speaker 6>and and I'm way into a lot of so I

0:43:29.600 --> 0:43:31.320
<v Speaker 6>love this area. No, no, no, but but but I

0:43:31.400 --> 0:43:33.719
<v Speaker 6>do think that the plan at one point in time

0:43:34.120 --> 0:43:35.839
<v Speaker 6>was to was to get to the Moon. And then

0:43:35.880 --> 0:43:37.880
<v Speaker 6>I think when they did get to the Moon, finally

0:43:38.480 --> 0:43:40.640
<v Speaker 6>they realized that they were already I mean, there's this

0:43:40.800 --> 0:43:43.120
<v Speaker 6>evidence now to show that there there was there was

0:43:43.200 --> 0:43:46.759
<v Speaker 6>bases already on the Moon. They've encountered other extraterrestrials, species,

0:43:46.800 --> 0:43:49.000
<v Speaker 6>and things like that, and then that mission just completely

0:43:49.040 --> 0:43:51.000
<v Speaker 6>went away. You didn't hear anything else about us going

0:43:51.040 --> 0:43:54.360
<v Speaker 6>to the moon, you know, So I don't know, and

0:43:54.440 --> 0:43:56.080
<v Speaker 6>that's kind of odd, like, how come all of a

0:43:56.120 --> 0:43:59.840
<v Speaker 6>sudden that just that whole mission just got abandoned abandoned?

0:44:00.520 --> 0:44:01.920
<v Speaker 4>Well, Carl, that answer.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm delighted by your answer, because in two thousand and two,

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<v Speaker 3>a seventy two year old bulls all dream punched a

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<v Speaker 3>conspiracy theorist named Bart Sibrel in the face for claiming

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<v Speaker 3>that the sixty nine moon landing was a hoax. So

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<v Speaker 3>giving your answer, Carl, I would say, Buzz not gonna

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<v Speaker 3>punch you.

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<v Speaker 4>It might slap you up a little bit.

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<v Speaker 2>Buzz Buzz check, you might suck.

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<v Speaker 3>You up, even insinuating that didn't didn't happen when it happened.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that Buzz definitely win because it's just like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, if you punch people over the ship at

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<v Speaker 1>seventy two.

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<v Speaker 3>Multiple times, it's just like that's like, yo, there are

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<v Speaker 3>multiple people on the top the.

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<v Speaker 1>Moment, and like you could say, you can say, I

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<v Speaker 1>think at seventy two he got all the checks.

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<v Speaker 2>I think if I'm a hered punch of people in

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<v Speaker 2>the face of seventy two.

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<v Speaker 4>You're not You're not punching people over some shit.

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<v Speaker 1>You didn't you playing I'm in my old man face

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<v Speaker 1>to be played with. I don't heard this ship multiple times.

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<v Speaker 1>I told y'all it's not true. Yeah, I'm seventy two.

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<v Speaker 1>Now the next nigga that said it to me going

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<v Speaker 1>to push in the face.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that's why I'm happening. So you might have two

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<v Speaker 4>enemies on your hand from the past from two thousand

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<v Speaker 4>and two.

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<v Speaker 5>I want to smoke bud.

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<v Speaker 2>Bus smacking people in the face with Moondu.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I'm so glad we we ended on that, but

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<v Speaker 3>we do have we do have to fund Carl. You

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<v Speaker 3>have been a top tier guest.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you so much for being here.

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<v Speaker 4>But we do we do end on a we do

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<v Speaker 4>end on a statement.

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<v Speaker 2>We do end on the statement we really don't know

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<v Speaker 2>how to end this show.

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<v Speaker 1>And then Alex came up. But it's a good way

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<v Speaker 1>and it's been working. So that's what we're doing.

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<v Speaker 5>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>We end with a question.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, it's it's more of a statement that you need

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<v Speaker 4>to question. Choose how it ends.

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<v Speaker 3>Question the question, Carl, I'd ask you you to fill

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<v Speaker 3>in the blank. History does not repeat itself.

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<v Speaker 4>It blank, History does not repeat itself.

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<v Speaker 6>It remains his story until we start telling our own stories,

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<v Speaker 6>so it becomes our story.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh a professor answer, I just felt it can take

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<v Speaker 3>just come down behind you.

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<v Speaker 4>That felt real. Snap snap.

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<v Speaker 2>We often make doctor Umar proud on this show.

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<v Speaker 4>I know right, we are getting closer and closer to

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<v Speaker 4>getting on this podcast. I can feel it, right, I

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<v Speaker 4>can feel it. Sam, how would you?

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<v Speaker 5>How do you?

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<v Speaker 4>How are you feeling about about it today?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, history doesn't repeat itself. It goes to the moon

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<v Speaker 1>and if you ask about it, it punches you in there.

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<v Speaker 5>You go.

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<v Speaker 3>I agree with that, and I'd say history doesn't repeat itself.

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<v Speaker 3>It goes to the theater to watch flubber.

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<v Speaker 5>Car.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you so much for being so much. Hope you

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<v Speaker 2>had a good time because we had a great time

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<v Speaker 2>with you.

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<v Speaker 5>Thank you. I haven't lapped this law this a long time.

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<v Speaker 4>Appreciate alrighty, thank you, Thank you.

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