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Speaker 2: It's gonna be the most unusual interview you've ever had.

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Speaker 2: Your first child knows.

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Speaker 3: Shout out to Moses, Tameron Hall's son. He's here while

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Speaker 3: we're doing this interview, eating some really tink sea doritos.

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Speaker 3: So if you hear him throughout this entire interview, just

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Speaker 3: know Tamer's a working mom. She's giving us what I'd

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Speaker 3: like to call a real look behind the scenes, breaking

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Speaker 3: down that fourth layer. It's hard to be working mom

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Speaker 3: in this day and age, isn't it. Anyway, You're gonna

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Speaker 3: enjoy this interview with one of my she Rose Cameron Home.

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Speaker 4: It's the greatest superson Entertainment can make you put and

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Speaker 3: Hey, everybody, welcome to a new edition of Naked So

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Speaker 3: I am telling you I have as you will know

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Speaker 3: because I tell you guys, ow my business moved to

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Speaker 1: And I did that. I did that.

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Speaker 3: I waited till I found a guest that I really

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Speaker 3: knew would be very fair and honest, funny, engaging, and

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Speaker 3: I found the right person, someone that I've looked up

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Speaker 3: to for years. So if you hear me, you know

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Speaker 3: beginning with effusive, effusive, not effusive effusive praise, it is

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Speaker 3: because I love me On tamar At Hall, Ladies and gentlemen,

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Speaker 3: welcome Tamaron to.

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Speaker 3: So so Tameron Hall, this is I have to give

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Speaker 3: to this day. But I have always always seen myself

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Speaker 3: and you on television. You are so unapologetic about who

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Speaker 3: And one day I was at work and a boss

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Speaker 3: you see how she just is? I was like, yes, no,

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Speaker 3: I'm in love. Were already in love. I've been in

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Speaker 3: love for years and you have been nothing but generous

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Speaker 2: Have to, but you do. Yes, I want to and

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Speaker 2: I have to. I mean, how could anyone not support

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Speaker 2: you're lucky. Yeah, And I was drawn to you instantly

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Speaker 2: I saw your work. I mean, you're so gracious. You

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Speaker 2: I walked into this studio with my child who's on

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Speaker 2: And I appreciate that very much. But as I said,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you for saying that. That means a lot.

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Speaker 1: But that's your work ethic.

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Speaker 2: And so I grew up around people who had phenomenal

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Speaker 2: I had the great pleasure of speaking at my mom's graduation.

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Speaker 3: that like for you?

437
00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:25,280
Speaker 5: You know?

438
00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:30,639
Speaker 2: Which is is so funny that I actually didn't know Harvey,

439
00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:32,639
Speaker 2: which is so this is the incredible part of it.

440
00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:35,159
Speaker 2: And everyone, and thank you for asking, because someone's ever

441
00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:38,439
Speaker 2: really asked the full detail. I had come to a

442
00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:43,119
Speaker 2: point where we were I don't know, three months after

443
00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:45,760
Speaker 2: it was announced that I was leaving, and I never

444
00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:47,280
Speaker 2: got a chance to say goodbye on air, and you

445
00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:49,520
Speaker 2: know how important those things are being on air. You're

446
00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:52,840
Speaker 2: just unceremoniously are showing the door, which is fine, and

447
00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:55,720
Speaker 2: I knew I would find my footing. And I never

448
00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:58,040
Speaker 2: was angry, I was never upset. I felt always like

449
00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:00,439
Speaker 2: I was floating in peace in a weird way. But

450
00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:04,960
Speaker 2: there was one moment where I was exhausted. People were

451
00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:07,320
Speaker 2: offering me, you know, they wanted to have me come

452
00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:09,399
Speaker 2: in to give them the scoop of what really happened,

453
00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:11,800
Speaker 2: but never and these were like executives who wanted the

454
00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:14,400
Speaker 2: scoop of what happened at the Today Show but really

455
00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:18,800
Speaker 2: didn't have anything substance, substantive to offer me, or you know,

456
00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:21,280
Speaker 2: one network Hall and said, you know, we want to

457
00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:24,120
Speaker 2: know she's available to fill in because we have someone

458
00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:27,400
Speaker 2: going on maternity leave. And I'm like, uh, what you know? No,

459
00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:29,399
Speaker 2: It's like, are you kidding me? And so I was

460
00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:32,879
Speaker 2: really my energy was depleted that day. And I lived

461
00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:34,879
Speaker 2: in a place not very far from where we are

462
00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:37,840
Speaker 2: now in Tribeca. I went home and I vividly remember

463
00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:42,440
Speaker 2: taking a shower and crying, and I was in it. It

464
00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:45,920
Speaker 2: just had given up. And then again for the most part,

465
00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:49,760
Speaker 2: I was floating, floating in confidence, and then I was

466
00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:52,119
Speaker 2: that moment I was just depleted, and I just had

467
00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:56,600
Speaker 2: a series of conversations that just were just didn't go anywhere.

468
00:23:57,040 --> 00:23:59,760
Speaker 2: And my agent at the time called me and said,

469
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:03,360
Speaker 2: Harvey Weinstein has sent a note and he's asked why

470
00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:06,720
Speaker 2: the f can I meet with tammeron Hall? And I'm like, well,

471
00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:09,440
Speaker 2: wait a minute, that's an escalation, yeah, And they said, yeah,

472
00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:11,320
Speaker 2: I don't know if he's calling the wrong office who

473
00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:13,600
Speaker 2: he's reaching out to. And so because it went from

474
00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:15,960
Speaker 2: like zero to six, I'm like, what is he talking about?

475
00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:17,879
Speaker 2: Is it wasn't as if I was not answering the

476
00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:18,760
Speaker 2: call or they weren't.

477
00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:19,359
Speaker 6: We didn't know.

478
00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:22,200
Speaker 2: So my agent said, okay, he had a big office

479
00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:25,920
Speaker 2: here in Tribeca. He wanted to meet us. All okay,

480
00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:30,520
Speaker 2: So we go into the office and it was myself

481
00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:33,920
Speaker 2: and my agent, my representatives and a couple of people

482
00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:35,439
Speaker 2: were in his office. And he came out of this

483
00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:38,600
Speaker 2: back room and I only see Harvey Weinstein on TV.

484
00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:39,840
Speaker 6: I've never seen him in person.

485
00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:42,480
Speaker 2: So He's had this black T shirt on and I'm

486
00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:45,080
Speaker 2: very going back to fashion very day is it? Like

487
00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:46,920
Speaker 2: it was kind of dirty, and I was like, I

488
00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:49,600
Speaker 2: relinds he going to a dirty But he had this

489
00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:53,160
Speaker 2: huge spread of food and whatnot and he's he said,

490
00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:55,400
Speaker 2: I want to show you what I've been thinking of doing.

491
00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:58,400
Speaker 2: So they'd already edited a version of the Tameron Hall

492
00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:00,680
Speaker 2: show Wow, and he had vote I didn't even know

493
00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:03,240
Speaker 2: I took, and he was just like, these are the

494
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:05,560
Speaker 2: guests we will get and this is this is it?

495
00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:09,000
Speaker 2: I know this you are going to change the scope

496
00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:12,680
Speaker 2: of daytime, which was music to my ears. Right, I'm thinking, Okay, God,

497
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:14,960
Speaker 2: someone gets me. I'm not not just had a meeting

498
00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:18,600
Speaker 2: where someone said to me, will you do hot topics

499
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:20,159
Speaker 2: and say uh uh.

500
00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:23,800
Speaker 6: It was this white older man miming.

501
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:25,919
Speaker 2: Uh uh or whatever it's going and I'm like, so,

502
00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:27,120
Speaker 2: I mean you imagine I'm hard.

503
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:28,760
Speaker 6: It is just like okay, they're just not going to

504
00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:29,080
Speaker 6: get it.

505
00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:31,520
Speaker 2: And so now he gets it and it's substantive and

506
00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:33,760
Speaker 2: it's really it's it's all the things, all the weapons

507
00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:37,600
Speaker 2: I believe I have great. So we started negotiating a

508
00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:42,439
Speaker 2: deal of shopping this show. Soon after, he invited me

509
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:48,399
Speaker 2: to his home uh in Connecticut for dinner, family dinner.

510
00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:51,359
Speaker 2: His family was supposed to be there, not and so

511
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:52,960
Speaker 2: I called my friend. I said, well, come with me

512
00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:55,520
Speaker 2: because I don't know him. Now I had not heard

513
00:25:55,680 --> 00:26:01,280
Speaker 2: that he was a I had not heard that, but

514
00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:03,520
Speaker 2: I already's a bully, and I just didn't want to

515
00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:05,480
Speaker 2: be like, I don't know these people.

516
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:06,639
Speaker 6: I'm going all the way to Connecticut.

517
00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:09,480
Speaker 2: So I took my friend who's like six' nine and

518
00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:12,240
Speaker 2: with me and one of my best, Friends. Michael so

519
00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:15,240
Speaker 2: when he wants all the. SPRING i was, like, yes

520
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:18,359
Speaker 2: and he's A greek and Our. MINIAN i was, like

521
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:22,480
Speaker 2: he go get Your so we go and his family's

522
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:25,000
Speaker 2: there's children are there and it was a wonderful dinner

523
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:28,080
Speaker 2: and they had movie night and what that was. IT

524
00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:32,239
Speaker 2: i THINK i was maybe song two more. Times SO

525
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:36,679
Speaker 2: i think during the course he invited me to a fashion,

526
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:39,840
Speaker 2: show his wife's fashion. Line SO i think in TOTAL

527
00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:43,879
Speaker 2: i might have been in the, room never alone with,

528
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:48,400
Speaker 2: him maybe four. Times, yeah so no real rapport and

529
00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:51,359
Speaker 2: WHEN i and it's so. FUNNY i remember the last

530
00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:54,359
Speaker 2: TIME i did see. Him we were outside of one

531
00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:56,760
Speaker 2: of the studios here In New york pitching the, show

532
00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:00,320
Speaker 2: and he was very fidgety and very like distract AND

533
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:02,760
Speaker 2: i didn't know what was going. On AND i went

534
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:05,399
Speaker 2: home and someone called me and they, Said i'm worried about.

535
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:07,360
Speaker 6: You i'm.

536
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:10,520
Speaker 2: Sorry they Text i'm worried about. You they are talking

537
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:14,960
Speaker 2: about THE r word With Harvey, weinstein AND i wrote

538
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:18,919
Speaker 2: back retirement and then the person called me and then

539
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:22,280
Speaker 2: they told me that there was going to be an

540
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:28,240
Speaker 2: explosive report That Harvey weinstein had great people And i'm,

541
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 2: like wait, What and so my whole Now i'm spiraling. Back,

542
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:35,359
Speaker 2: god how is this happening to? Me the one PERSON

543
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:40,199
Speaker 2: i partner, WITH i went to my last conversation with.

544
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:45,280
Speaker 2: HIM i went to host a domestic violence shelters anniversary

545
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:48,800
Speaker 2: In texas and he called me and it was like

546
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:52,080
Speaker 2: three in the, morning three in the morning Your, Texas texas.

547
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:53,520
Speaker 2: TIME i was like three or four in the. Morning

548
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:57,720
Speaker 2: and he, said you know this is not, true blah blah.

549
00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:00,080
Speaker 2: Blah AND i said something to the effect, of you

550
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:01,960
Speaker 2: shouldn't be worried about WHAT i think of. You you

551
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 2: should be worried about what your, children what they will

552
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:05,000
Speaker 2: know about.

553
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:06,960
Speaker 1: You what did you? Say?

554
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:11,520
Speaker 2: Nothing and that was my last. Conversation And i've reached

555
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:15,040
Speaker 2: out to his lawyers to try to interview. Him is

556
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:17,359
Speaker 2: he is one of the people on the. LIST i

557
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:21,560
Speaker 2: think it is probably one of the biggest fall from

558
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:23,919
Speaker 2: grace stories in modern.

559
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:28,160
Speaker 3: History certainly it spawned a lot of, things the Me too,

560
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:31,199
Speaker 3: movement which you, know, yes quickly we talked To Toronto

561
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:33,880
Speaker 3: burke and she tried to make sure that that wasn't

562
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 3: co opted for her as a black. Woman have you

563
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:41,240
Speaker 3: in this business experienced sexual harassment and felt, LIKE i

564
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:42,760
Speaker 3: don't know IF i should say anything.

565
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:44,600
Speaker 6: More times THAN i care to.

566
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:47,240
Speaker 3: Recite do you think that there is a world in

567
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:49,440
Speaker 3: which we could? EVER i have, mentees and when they

568
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 3: come to me and they ask for, HELP i don't

569
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:51,280
Speaker 3: have an.

570
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 1: Answer.

571
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 2: YEAH i don't know what to tell them to do,

572
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:56,640
Speaker 2: sometimes and that breaks my. Heart, YEAH i would agree with.

573
00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:57,280
Speaker 2: THAT i think.

574
00:28:57,360 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 6: That.

575
00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 2: YEAH i, mean, LISTEN I i feel the same way

576
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:04,479
Speaker 2: a couple of. Things AND i you, know one Day

577
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:07,320
Speaker 2: i'll write a memoir or, something or maybe not even a,

578
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 2: memoir Maybe i'll write it all down and present it.

579
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:14,040
Speaker 6: Because it's painful for me to talk. About.

580
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 2: Right i've been in horrifying, situations horrifying. Situations i've had

581
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 2: the creepy. Calls i've had the same THINGS i know you've.

582
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:28,640
Speaker 2: HAD i know it because it is, prolific the one.

583
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 2: Thing And i'm happy you brought Up torontic because she's

584
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 2: fantastic and she's been on my show that the title

585
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:38,200
Speaker 2: of Me too being co opted and taken from, her

586
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:48,680
Speaker 2: and then the face of victims suddenly not only became mostly,

587
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:54,720
Speaker 2: wide but this certain stereotype of this young white blonde

588
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:58,880
Speaker 2: female in the workplace and one of the helpless things

589
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:02,680
Speaker 2: THAT i often, felt And i'm sure you have felt

590
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:06,680
Speaker 2: they won't believe me Because i'm a black, woman and

591
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:10,640
Speaker 2: they don't believe black women are targets of this and

592
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 2: we're afraid that these that we're, unafraid like we're too

593
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 2: tough to be a. Victim, yeah you, know and you know,

594
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:18,800
Speaker 2: no they don't play that with the. Systems And i'm,

595
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:23,160
Speaker 2: like really you think? That and so we were somehow

596
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:26,920
Speaker 2: immune to it because our toughness was going to keep,

597
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 2: these you, know predators. Away, yeah and that's just not.

598
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:38,880
Speaker 3: True it discourages me because do you, say go TO, Hr,

599
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:41,920
Speaker 3: well we know what happens when you were one of

600
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:44,480
Speaker 3: a few and you go TO hr usually doesn't work

601
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:47,800
Speaker 3: in our. Favor do you, say report your? Boss what

602
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:50,600
Speaker 3: do you? Say, NO i don't know. What it's twenty

603
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:52,320
Speaker 3: twenty four And i'm still scratching my.

604
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:57,160
Speaker 2: Head SO i keep extensive documentation on everything good for.

605
00:30:57,200 --> 00:31:01,800
Speaker 2: YOU i write down lesson, learned lesson Learn IF i

606
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:04,400
Speaker 2: walk out of a meeting Where i'm, UNCOMFORTABLE i write

607
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:07,080
Speaker 2: every word down in that.

608
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:09,720
Speaker 6: MOMENT i learned that from a. Lawyer exemporaneous.

609
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 2: NOTES i, now though you, know being the executive producer

610
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:19,400
Speaker 2: of the show and having two hundred and fifty. Employees

611
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 2: actually don't meet one on one with people. Anymore i'm

612
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:27,840
Speaker 2: rarely alone in a room with. ANYBODY i.

613
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:30,760
Speaker 6: Feel that.

614
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 2: One of the things that's going back to not, regrets

615
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:39,240
Speaker 2: but knowledge is. POWER i WISH i had formed LIKE

616
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:42,160
Speaker 2: i see you all on your trip, together And i'm, like,

617
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 2: Well i'm gonna. Invitation SO i love. THAT i WISH

618
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 2: i had formed like this league of women like you

619
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:54,880
Speaker 2: all have when you go on your trip and you're

620
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 2: able to talk and you're able to share those, things

621
00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:59,560
Speaker 2: BECAUSE i was one of. One and that's no, excuse

622
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:03,240
Speaker 2: but it. WAS i was so, LIKE i got to

623
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 2: get it. Done and So i'm sure some people thought

624
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 2: THAT i was unfriendly or quiet or to. MYSELF i

625
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 2: think that's WHAT i don't think people Think i'm. UNFRIENDLY

626
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:14,480
Speaker 2: i think they Think i'm to myself And i'm really.

627
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 2: Not i'm actually my, house you, know is. Filled most

628
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 2: of my dearest friends aren't in the, Business SO i

629
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:23,040
Speaker 2: think that's WHY i can look Like i'm off to.

630
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:27,080
Speaker 2: Myself in, fact my team, said, oh you, know do

631
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 2: you want what celebrity do you want to host? It

632
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 2: THAT i have any celebrity. FRIENDS i have celebrity people

633
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 2: who know my phone number and we call and laugh with.

634
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 2: Talks but my crew there nobody's in this business per.

635
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 2: Se BUT i WISH i had done more to form these,

636
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:48,240
Speaker 2: alliances being one of the first in a lot of.

637
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:51,239
Speaker 2: Categories BUT i can tell you the day THAT i

638
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:56,480
Speaker 2: was LEAVING, NBC i Called Joy read. First she was

639
00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:59,240
Speaker 2: the very first PERSON i call, sweetheart, right oh, gosh

640
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 2: and we. Talked we talk all day long age. Day you,

641
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:08,120
Speaker 2: KNOW i WISH i had formed a league of, women you,

642
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 2: know or something. Right AND i did it In chicago a,

643
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:15,320
Speaker 2: lot but by the TIME i got To New, york

644
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 2: the intensity was like off the.

645
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 6: Chart BUT i used to.

646
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 2: You, KNOW i would have like dinner parties OR i would,

647
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 2: say let's all get together new, restaurants because when you're

648
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:25,120
Speaker 2: in MORNING, tv all the chefs come on and they

649
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 2: always want you to come to their, restaurants be, there

650
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 2: and SO i would like have host little dinner parties

651
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 2: at different. Restaurants so that is something THAT i wish

652
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Speaker 3: Word BEFORE i let you, go because you really went

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Speaker 3: ETHIC i don't know when you have the, time but

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Speaker 3: you are on your second book now and you have a.

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Speaker 3: Series you have a true crime, series you GUYS i

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Speaker 3: a true crime SHOW, Msnbc.

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Speaker 6: Yeah AND missnbc And Discovery.

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Speaker 2: IDEA i had a show Called Deadline crime With Tameron

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Speaker 2: hall and lasted for six seas AND i ended this

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Speaker 2: show AFTER i did a case involving a pregnant woman

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Speaker 2: In oklahoma who was, killed and that, case along with,

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Speaker 2: manning the character THAT i. Created, So jordan is a

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Speaker 2: black female reporter who has a forensic science. Background she's

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Speaker 2: a reporter In. Chicago actually named Her Jordan. Manning falling

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Speaker 2: out Like, Jordan, OKAY i Know jordian And, manning that's her.

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Speaker 2: Name but she's our protagonist and she's a crime solving,

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Speaker 2: reporter huge, heart hugely, passionate but also in her mid

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Speaker 2: compassionate you, know bloodhound who if she's on the, case

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Speaker 2: she's going to solve. It but you see the layers

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Speaker 2: of what it's like to be a black woman in

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Speaker 2: the news, room what it's like to, be you, know

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Speaker 2: in this job that you love but wanting to have.

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Speaker 2: Love but at the end of the, day she's a tough.

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Speaker 2: Cookie and this is the second The Jordan manning. Series

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Speaker 2: the first case was inspired by SOMETHING i covered In,

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Speaker 2: chicago BUT i needed her to have the. Credibility SO

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Speaker 2: i poured in my years At Deadline, crime my thirty

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Speaker 2: years of being a, reporter most of that, crime and

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Speaker 2: THEN i had the luxury of fiction to create this juicy,

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Speaker 2: i wrote. This the first YEARS i wrote during the.

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Speaker 2: Pandemic the SECOND i wrote In New York. City we

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Speaker 2: out In Long. Island so this one has a, heartbeat

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Speaker 2: it has an, intensity it is it's it's it's a

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Speaker 2: true thriller That i've just poured my heart.

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Speaker 1: INTO i was audible. LISTENING i wouldn't like to tell

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Speaker 3: It and THEN i was AS i was coming in

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Speaker 3: today AND i was telling, THEM i was, like this

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Speaker 3: is really. Good and it's interesting because you take this

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Speaker 3: character and it's loosely related to what's what's happened or

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Speaker 3: perhaps inspired a little bit about what's happened to your,

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Speaker 3: is cathartic for?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, oh, yes.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely And i've talked about my sister being the victim

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Speaker 2: of an unsolved crime and subsequently my work with survivors

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Speaker 2: of domestic. Violence and WHEN i was writing this, series

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Speaker 2: the case involves a missing mother of two and her,

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Speaker 2: advocate if you, will is her, Sister, shelley And shelley

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Speaker 2: Finds Jordan manning and pleads With Jordan manning to help

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Speaker 2: her find her. Sister and WHEN i got done with the,

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Speaker 2: book it was only AFTER i got done with the

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Speaker 2: book THAT i realized That shelley this time around is

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Speaker 2: me in so many, ways because we felt very helpless

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Speaker 2: after my sister's. Death we felt very unhappy with the,

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Speaker 2: investigation and frustrated and angry and all these things that

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Speaker 2: anyone would feel if a loved one was taken away

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Speaker 2: in this, way and so for, Me shelley became this.

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Speaker 2: Character notes it was not the intention where you see

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Speaker 2: some of WHAT i felt and members of my family

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Speaker 2: all poured into this.

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Speaker 1: CHARACTER i love.

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Speaker 3: It thank you for being. Here we ran over continued,

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Speaker 3: love health and.

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Speaker 2: Wealth thank, you she, wrote in so many, ways And

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Speaker 2: elvis Aka moses has left the.

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Speaker 1: Wow, right, wow, wow wow.

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Speaker 3: Wow i'm gonna tell you my quick takeaways BECAUSE i

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Speaker 3: HAVEN'T i haven't done that in a.

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Speaker 1: While the biggest, takeaway, well there were.

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Speaker 3: Several thank You, tamrian first off for being on the,

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Speaker 3: podcast but the takeaway in WHICH i said to, you

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Speaker 3: this business is, tough but all businesses deal with women

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Speaker 3: addressing sexual. Harassment what you can, do and she just

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Speaker 3: quite frankly, Said, carrie you've dealt with.

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Speaker 1: It i've dealt with. It we all deal with. It document.

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Speaker 3: Everything we don't have a perfect answer for that because

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Speaker 3: we are not in a perfect, place and we are

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Speaker 3: Everything if you ever feel, uncomfortable if you ever feel

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Speaker 3: Being, abused or treated, unfairly or someone is. Harassing you document,

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Speaker 3: and ALSO i want to thank her for sharing her

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Speaker 3: story About Harvey.

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Speaker 1: Weinstein she, said no one's really asked her About. Harvey

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Speaker 3: Said what was your Relationship harvey was supposed to do her?

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Speaker 3: Show could you imagine your show being attached To Harvey

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Speaker 3: weinstein and you're, like oh my, god this is. It

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Speaker 3: my show is, done it's never coming, out it's. Over

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Speaker 3: and here she is.

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Speaker 1: Winning on all.

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Speaker 3: Levels The Tammeron hall show was in its fifth, season

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Speaker 3: and to, me if that is not a message that

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Speaker 3: says keep, going continue to, push continue to, strive to

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Speaker 3: fight for what you.

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Speaker 1: WANT i don't know what the heck.

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Speaker 3: IS i would have thought my show would have been

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Speaker 3: dead in the water if it had any bit Of

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Speaker 3: harvey's imprint on.

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Speaker 1: It he's a.

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Speaker 3: Pariah the stories that are coming out about him are.

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Speaker 3: Horrific he literally was doing a casting couch and he

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Speaker 3: knew he could do it with, right he knew who

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Speaker 3: he could do that. To at, least it seems as

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Speaker 3: if he was a predator on, purpose very specific a

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Speaker 3: predator with. Purpose thank God tammeron got out of that

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Speaker 3: situation and look at her, now she's better for. It and,

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Speaker 3: remember do not. Forget go out and purchase book number

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Speaker 3: two in her true crime. Series it's Called Watch Where They.

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Speaker 3: Hide it is a crime series thriller if you. Will

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Speaker 3: following the likes of a true crime by the name

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Speaker 3: Of Jordan, manning you can see that that person as

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Speaker 3: mentioned in this entire interview is very similar To, tameran

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Speaker 3: SO i think you'll enjoy. It watch For Their hide

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Speaker 3: available everywhere you get your books and of course On.

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Speaker 3: AMAZON i hope you guys take some, notes go back

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Speaker 3: and listen to it. Again this is a special. Interview

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Speaker 3: shout out To tamaran again for coming. On thanks to

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Speaker 3: the crew A Wtf Media, studios.

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Speaker 1: You're down on you go outside that. Much shout out

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Speaker 1: to my crew as. Well we'll talk to you guys next.

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