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Speaker 1: It's your boy, Big Steele and went here with my
Speaker 1: dogs night that Jake big Court was cracking man, same
Speaker 1: old thing man, you know. Um, we had some bad
Speaker 1: news come down to shoot this weekend man Tobin Cops
Speaker 1: and passed away. Yeah, you know, one of the early
Speaker 1: members of the No Limit Records family. You know, he
Speaker 1: was really instrumental as those guys made the transition with
Speaker 1: just being a local record label to going on to
Speaker 1: doing amazing things for which you know, first in court
Speaker 1: because she was around throwing those times for sure. For sure. Um.
Speaker 1: You know I signed with with No Limit in nine five,
Speaker 1: and uh, when I signed with No Limit UM, and
Speaker 1: when I flew out to uh Oakland, Pia flew us
Speaker 1: out to Oakland and Tobin of course was vice president
Speaker 1: at the time, and uh that's where I first came
Speaker 1: to meet him. Super cool dude, Uh, super intelligent, um,
Speaker 1: you know, very well spoken, very articulately. He was at
Speaker 1: that time kind of like, um, I would say, the
Speaker 1: face on the business side, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Because he was so polished and well spoken, he could
Speaker 1: get into those doors that that it was a little
Speaker 1: easier for him to get in and Peak um still
Speaker 1: representing No Limit UM. And even after the split him
Speaker 1: from No Limit which was soon thereafter that I got
Speaker 1: to No Limit UM. I did some albums with him
Speaker 1: as well with me and Mine Entertainment probably like uh nineties.
Speaker 1: He actually helped with my C CG projects. Um and
Speaker 1: you know, always a cool dude, always willing to give
Speaker 1: some information, share some knowledge, wisdom and understanding. Um. And
Speaker 1: even as a recently, Uh it was an overseas play
Speaker 1: for my back catalog and he put me up on
Speaker 1: that didn't ask for a dime, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So you know, the very ethical dude as far as
Speaker 1: I knew. UM, cool dude man, you know, so arrest
Speaker 1: in piece of tobin. Um. You know, condolecence to his family,
Speaker 1: his son, his daughter, his wife Adina, who I knew that.
Speaker 1: You know, he love very much heat I've been hearing
Speaker 1: the Dina's name twenty plus years back, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. So family guys. So good guy, restued peace
Speaker 1: bro and definitely a very intuitive person. You know, I
Speaker 1: believe he was teaching class. He was actually a professor
Speaker 1: at cal Berkeley if I'm not mistaken. You know, he
Speaker 1: was just a very good guy man and he was
Speaker 1: able to maneuver through different crowds like and he took
Speaker 1: me up. It's almost like he's still work in the afterlife.
Speaker 1: We actually license a piece of content from a guy
Speaker 1: DeAndre air Ball Aware from the baby, that's like one
Speaker 1: of the renowned artists. And I remember told me hitting
Speaker 1: me up, like, man, I need you to get with
Speaker 1: my boy. Man. You need to put his story on
Speaker 1: your platform and just an incredible dude. Man. So prayers
Speaker 1: to him, his family and his children. And I know
Speaker 1: James Hu suffered some losses this weekend as well. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well actually I was. I have two club brothers from
Speaker 1: children who was just passed away. My rider died, Monster
Speaker 1: and my boy Bear. Uh. I'm talking about some real cats.
Speaker 1: I don't care what it was if we had an issue,
Speaker 1: they was there. Uh. And I'm talking about all the
Speaker 1: way from Las Vegas too to Oakland, from Las Vegas
Speaker 1: to St. Louis. You know, they was always willing and
Speaker 1: ready to go. And then by other club brother, Chill,
Speaker 1: you know, he lost his moms the other day too,
Speaker 1: So you know, three in a week. So you know
Speaker 1: in Monster and Cheerless cousin. So Man, I sent my
Speaker 1: condolences to Chill his mom's and you know his cousin Master.
Speaker 1: You know those my brothers. You know, condolences to you brother,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, and to their famils. Before
Speaker 1: we go into uh tonic subject, Man, I wanted to
Speaker 1: say something real quick. I don't know if it's because
Speaker 1: we're getting older or it's because it's just you know,
Speaker 1: in the black community, man, we suffer from trauma, and
Speaker 1: we usually start suffering from trauma to young age. We
Speaker 1: just don't know what it is. You know. We may
Speaker 1: hear about a friend dying in school, a classmate, and
Speaker 1: it just becomes all too common in our communities. Um,
Speaker 1: I believe Tobin passed away from a heart condition. And
Speaker 1: Tobin wasn't a fat person. Tobin wasn't a shape. He
Speaker 1: just wasn't a typical you know, when you think about
Speaker 1: people having a heart attack, usually think about people being obese,
Speaker 1: you know, for more of an obesity um or having
Speaker 1: bad habits, you know, bad living habits. But Tobin was
Speaker 1: actually one of the cleanest people I knew for sure.
Speaker 1: So let's go out there and uh make sure health
Speaker 1: is wealth. Health is true wealth. I don't care how
Speaker 1: much money you have, It does you no good being
Speaker 1: six ft underground. Um, it probably needs you here and
Speaker 1: you need to hear for yourself. Be selfish. So you
Speaker 1: kind of like, I'm sorry not to cut you off,
Speaker 1: but like we were talking about yesterday, still, um, I think,
Speaker 1: you know, us, especially as minorities, as black men, we
Speaker 1: got to really focus on preventative healthcare, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, because we already you know, have these these
Speaker 1: genetic dispositions. You know what i mean, we already at
Speaker 1: a disadvantage, uh genetically. So I think a lot of times, uh, man,
Speaker 1: get your check ups, you know what I'm saying, like
Speaker 1: we were talking about before, and get your prostate check up,
Speaker 1: get your your blood pressure. Just go for your physical
Speaker 1: so you can you know, God for be it. If
Speaker 1: it's something wrong, you can catch it. And then the
Speaker 1: other part of it is it's some life insurance. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Get some life insurance. So that
Speaker 1: way when because listen, none of us are gonna make
Speaker 1: it out a live you know what I mean, none
Speaker 1: of us are gonna make it out of your lives
Speaker 1: or get some life insurance or at least your people
Speaker 1: can be straight. It ain't even like you gotta lead
Speaker 1: him millions of dollars, but at least fair minimum, leave
Speaker 1: them enough to be able to bury you, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, so they don't have to stress for that.
Speaker 1: In life issurances a couple dollars a month, you know exactly,
Speaker 1: And that's what I was gonna say. You know, you
Speaker 1: can go get a hundred thousand dollar policy from and
Speaker 1: I think it's maybe eleventh dollars a month, depending on
Speaker 1: your health, depending on if you don't know, you know
Speaker 1: certain things, if you drink, if you smoke a razor up.
Speaker 1: But still, you know, not just to bury you, but
Speaker 1: so your family can pay your billers, because believe it
Speaker 1: or not, death death does not absolve you of your debts,
Speaker 1: right right, So if you old taxes, if you owe
Speaker 1: anybody money, they're still come after your family. So leave
Speaker 1: enough money to bury you and for them back taxes
Speaker 1: that you may owe, and just that way. So this
Speaker 1: would be a difficult transition for them already. You don't
Speaker 1: want to make it more difficult by adding that financial burthon. Man, Listen,
Speaker 1: the worst thing you you see so many young niggas
Speaker 1: in the hood that will get to a little bit
Speaker 1: of money, you know what I'm saying, that have some jury,
Speaker 1: they have some cars, they'll have all the little accouchments
Speaker 1: of street success. They're get knocked down. A family gotta
Speaker 1: do a go fund me, you know it don't go
Speaker 1: fund me because I'm gonna tell you when you in
Speaker 1: the game. Anybody that owes that to you, it's not
Speaker 1: like they will come and give your mama that money.
Speaker 1: It's not like they will come and get at home,
Speaker 1: use that money or nothing else that's done. So in
Speaker 1: a lot of cases I've seen to where some brothers
Speaker 1: have been well off, their parents don't know where the
Speaker 1: money is at. They don't know where the money is.
Speaker 1: Happened every time, every time, nobody knows where the money is. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and the baby mama probably got it. And she A's
Speaker 1: saying that, but somebody knows where that money is at.
Speaker 1: Something that you know, broad across town got it, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. But but that's how we are though.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. You know, a lot of
Speaker 1: us I want to live secret lives. We got all
Speaker 1: this money. We don't want the family to know where
Speaker 1: is that? But like myself, you know, I'm preparing for
Speaker 1: my grandkids. You know, my kids has grown. I'm preparing
Speaker 1: for my grandkids so they can be good. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: you know least would be ready for that. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I don't want I don't want them
Speaker 1: out there watching cars to bury me. I don't want that,
Speaker 1: so pries and ship Yeah, exactly, you gotta be ready,
Speaker 1: exactly exactly. You know, Um, I want to go in
Speaker 1: and talk about desegregation, which was real big in my
Speaker 1: air corps. I know it's big in my airic James,
Speaker 1: did it start in your air a little bit where
Speaker 1: they started trying to ship you guys off from Compton? Yeah,
Speaker 1: the other areas nice areas. So I guess you know,
Speaker 1: the United States had this um playing that they were
Speaker 1: going to unite the world or whatever, right, so they
Speaker 1: started really you know, busting us from the east side
Speaker 1: of Cleveland to the west side and vice versa. When
Speaker 1: after we left middle school, you will see the white
Speaker 1: guys from the west side in our high school on
Speaker 1: the east side. You feel what I'm saying. Ye, And
Speaker 1: I was having the Converse station with glasses earlier to
Speaker 1: day and we kind of spoke about that and all
Speaker 1: of this came about. You know, there have been a
Speaker 1: couple of things over the last week, and so you know,
Speaker 1: the pictures came up with Jerry Jones of him at
Speaker 1: this um antidisegregation rally or whatever it was that had
Speaker 1: a picture of him. He was probably a little key
Speaker 1: back then. And I'm pretty sure the area they were in.
Speaker 1: Jerry Jones, the old man, he's a geriatric man pretty much.
Speaker 1: For our practical birds purposes, he has to be in
Speaker 1: the seventies if not his age right, So I'm pretty
Speaker 1: sure during that time he was a part of that
Speaker 1: little crowd. And so I'm not getting in here to
Speaker 1: fashion the night because we don't know what he was
Speaker 1: doing there. He could have just been a kid. They're
Speaker 1: looking like most ys, we always got our nose and
Speaker 1: something or involved in something. We have no business doing it.
Speaker 1: We don't even know what's going on. But I wonder,
Speaker 1: man from a standpoint, sometimes, if some instances of desegregation
Speaker 1: may have hurt the black community, let me look good.
Speaker 1: Let me shay this head. First, I want to say,
Speaker 1: if you, if if you look at all of those
Speaker 1: pictures where you've seen the klansmen hanging a black man
Speaker 1: and send him on fire, they had their little boys there.
Speaker 1: They were teaching their kids how to hate. So you
Speaker 1: might have some that didn't like that, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, And you had those that grew up with
Speaker 1: hating black people, that were racists. So I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: say he was racist. I mean, hell, how many black
Speaker 1: guys he got on his football team? But what do
Speaker 1: that matter? You know, they played football, they're making money.
Speaker 1: But I'm not getting a sugarcoat and then say he
Speaker 1: looked like he was old enough to know what that,
Speaker 1: why he was there, what what the situation was about.
Speaker 1: So I'm not gonna say they wouldn't racist. At that time,
Speaker 1: he probably was. But as he got older, Oh that
Speaker 1: ship ain't no good, It ain't this, and it's not that.
Speaker 1: So maybe he changed. But the fact that the matter
Speaker 1: is he was there and his pops, our grandfather, whoever
Speaker 1: he was with him, guarantee you is with somebody in
Speaker 1: the family, our friends. He knew exactly what was going on.
Speaker 1: So you know, we we we as black people are
Speaker 1: quick to say, oh no, they're not racist or they bullshit.
Speaker 1: Come on, man, let's let's let's stop doing that. Let's
Speaker 1: stop doing that, let's stop sugarcoating ship. And Lebron James
Speaker 1: actually stood up and said, why y'all they asked me
Speaker 1: about the photo. Why y'all? When when? When? What's his
Speaker 1: name did this? Or what's his name did that? Y'all
Speaker 1: want to ask me what's my take on it? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you see what I'm saying what I was going to
Speaker 1: because my thing is this him being in that era.
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure his parents race as hill. I don't
Speaker 1: know you. My thing is this, by me not knowing them,
Speaker 1: I'm giving them kind of the benefit of the doubt
Speaker 1: because he could have evolved through his dealings with because,
Speaker 1: like you said, he's a professional football so he's dealing
Speaker 1: with black people all day. Every day he has to
Speaker 1: send the league is black. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So who's the saying that he didn't change? But his
Speaker 1: relationship with these black players he has is strictly monetary.
Speaker 1: He needs them to win games. And I'm gonna tell
Speaker 1: you this, I don't care how racist a white persons.
Speaker 1: I don't care how racist a black person kneels the
Speaker 1: color of green NULLI fires any previous beach that you
Speaker 1: may have in some cases, right, you know, in some
Speaker 1: cases because you've got some people, it's like, I don't
Speaker 1: give a damn how much money deals I'm not missing
Speaker 1: with no names. We didn't know about accountability, right, so
Speaker 1: let's be accountable for our chick. You in this picture.
Speaker 1: You're not there at a at a football pep. Rather
Speaker 1: you you you know what you're there for. You're older
Speaker 1: enough to know what you're there for. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, And that's just saying, here go a picture.
Speaker 1: He's in it. It's a cleans meeting. Everybody gotta say, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what it is. So don't go say that picture
Speaker 1: was forty five years ago, so that ain't him no more.
Speaker 1: You don't know what the fuck he is. But we
Speaker 1: are quick to bash our own people first before we
Speaker 1: even really before reality hit when it comes to a
Speaker 1: white person. What I'm saying and I'm not racist. I
Speaker 1: was married to a white woman, so I ain't racist.
Speaker 1: But we gotta look at our own ship before everybody else.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think you know, it's not necessarily a
Speaker 1: disreputable moment for him because we gotta understand the error
Speaker 1: not to let him off the hook, um, you know,
Speaker 1: not to absolve him of anything. But at the same time,
Speaker 1: think about it, man, we all grow we all like
Speaker 1: man listen as a gangster rapper, right, So if you
Speaker 1: go and look at one of my solo album covers
Speaker 1: from the nineties, I mean, I'm holding guns, I got braids,
Speaker 1: I'm posing with a butt naked, chick hole and a
Speaker 1: chopper all of that. Right, Um, that's twenty plus years ago.
Speaker 1: That's not where I'm at now, That's that's not me now,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So I think we have
Speaker 1: to allow people to be able to grow. Um, and
Speaker 1: especially when you talk about context. You know, be being
Speaker 1: from Kansas City, Missouri, you know that's a place where
Speaker 1: you're made to feel your color. It's the Midwest, So
Speaker 1: you know, they're still white people that still referred to
Speaker 1: black people older you know, his age, they still say color.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean. Now, you give him a
Speaker 1: pass because you understand they don't mean it like that.
Speaker 1: You understand come from a different era. So um, So
Speaker 1: I think that the fact that you know, we don't
Speaker 1: know what his heart is, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: We we don't know how he's evolved. I mean, like
Speaker 1: like still said, you you know, you could give him
Speaker 1: the benefit of the doubt. But the other side to that, though,
Speaker 1: is what Lebron brought up is a great point is
Speaker 1: the fact that you know, come on, let's be fair.
Speaker 1: That's all we're saying. Let's be fair. So the same
Speaker 1: way we get crucified and we get dealt with so
Speaker 1: heavy handedly because of our perceived missteps. Let's not get
Speaker 1: quiet with here, you know what I'm saying, like, let's
Speaker 1: just just just give it the same light. That's all
Speaker 1: we're saying. Let me give it the same fire that
Speaker 1: you gave Kyrie, that you give all of us if we,
Speaker 1: you know, make a mistake or whatever the case may be,
Speaker 1: because we don't get we don't have the luxury of
Speaker 1: getting the benefit of the doubt. And you know, and
Speaker 1: I always try to be bigger just because someone else
Speaker 1: is ignorant, Right, I don't like to respond encine with
Speaker 1: the same ignorance, right right, right, So, but sure I
Speaker 1: want to read Jerry Jones respond to Lebron James. You know,
Speaker 1: Lebron James scold of the media Wednesday for failing to
Speaker 1: ask him his feelings about an old reservice. Photo from
Speaker 1: nineteen fifty seven Dallas Cowboys on the Jerry Jones at
Speaker 1: a desegregation protests at North Little Rock High School when
Speaker 1: Jones was a freshman at the school. Jones said he
Speaker 1: was at the protest out of curiosity, rather than arguing
Speaker 1: to keep the school segregated, but James wondered why he
Speaker 1: was not pressed on the topic. Despite james criticism of
Speaker 1: the Cowboys owner, Jones responded by praising the NBA superstar.
Speaker 1: First of all, you have to hear me say how
Speaker 1: much I think of Lebron. I don't know if anybody
Speaker 1: did I respect more. I don't know if anybody has
Speaker 1: taken every opportunity he's had and maximized it. Not only
Speaker 1: has he been a great ambassador for sport, he has
Speaker 1: taken sports. He has taken his venues and used those platforms.
Speaker 1: Certainly he has influencing just because of all the above,
Speaker 1: his accomplishments, how he's utilized his sport, and how he's
Speaker 1: utilized his platform, how he's done it. He is enhanced basketball.
Speaker 1: He's made a lot of people money. I hope I
Speaker 1: have to James as reporters and see that was kind
Speaker 1: of a slick thing he threw in. I made a
Speaker 1: lot of money, But those people have made you even
Speaker 1: more money. For every five or ten million dollars that
Speaker 1: you paid someone, Mr Jones, you turned around and turned
Speaker 1: that into billions of dollars. So don't act like you're
Speaker 1: just giving somebody something, because I'm gonna tell you this
Speaker 1: about football, you are a piece of product. They don't
Speaker 1: mind about moving. You were around, waving, trading, you're cutting,
Speaker 1: you bringing you back sometimes the same thing. Because you
Speaker 1: are looked at like a product. You are like a
Speaker 1: can of Coca cola, can of PEPSI. You have no
Speaker 1: more rights as a human beings. So for him to
Speaker 1: sit up there and say that, it was kind of
Speaker 1: like a little back in the thing and if you're
Speaker 1: not going to cut it, Yeah, he was flexing. He
Speaker 1: was flexing a little bit. Um. I think he could
Speaker 1: have gave a more humble response to that. I think
Speaker 1: Lebron handled that very very well, very tasteful, very graceful. Um,
Speaker 1: but still got his point. You know, he still got
Speaker 1: his point across UM. I agree, Bro. All I'm saying
Speaker 1: is listen, Jerry Jones. I mean, we all should be
Speaker 1: allowed the room to grow. We should all be allowed
Speaker 1: the room to make mistakes. You know what I'm saying
Speaker 1: that come back from that um And as James said
Speaker 1: at the beginning, Bro, you know Hay his talk, that's
Speaker 1: a learned behavior, you know what I mean. So we
Speaker 1: get it. If you come from that air listen, I
Speaker 1: share a personal experience. You know, the gym. I used
Speaker 1: to go to a powerhouse and chat's work right, Um,
Speaker 1: you know, it's a lot of skin heads and shipped
Speaker 1: up that way. It was a little young white guy
Speaker 1: that has swast because all on his neck, all in
Speaker 1: his arms and ship. So of course I'm kind of
Speaker 1: looking at him sideways. Um. At some point he comes
Speaker 1: over to me and he speaks to me. You know,
Speaker 1: he started asking me about working out. So I'm kind
Speaker 1: of like, like, bro, I don't you know. I wasn't
Speaker 1: really comfortable with that. So he peeped that, and he
Speaker 1: goes on to explain his situation. And you know, his
Speaker 1: mother and his father was racist. Um, you know, that's
Speaker 1: how he was taught, That's how he grew up. He
Speaker 1: grew up in juvenile He had just got out of prison,
Speaker 1: but he ended up marrying a Puerto Rican woman, so
Speaker 1: they just quit fucking with him. You know. So him
Speaker 1: getting out into the world away from that bullshit, he
Speaker 1: started seeing that, Wow, all that ship they taught me
Speaker 1: was bullshit. And so he told me, he said, I
Speaker 1: keep this on me to start the conversation because I
Speaker 1: know what people are thinking. Just like what you was thinking, right,
Speaker 1: And long story short, he ended up becoming my little partner,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So when people would see
Speaker 1: us talking, you know, he was super cool and I
Speaker 1: kind of mentored him too. He was super cool. But
Speaker 1: you know that's it was learned. But he pivoted, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. He did to work on himself.
Speaker 1: He can learned the bullshit and became a productive citizen.
Speaker 1: So I think we all should be allowed that, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. But yeah, that Jerry Jones with
Speaker 1: that reply, that was some slick ship though, I think
Speaker 1: because he said that because pretty much what he said
Speaker 1: was at the end, and I'm just going by what
Speaker 1: he said again his words, I'm not embellishing or nothing,
Speaker 1: not really real. I read it too. The thing is,
Speaker 1: what he saying is that Lebron has made a lot
Speaker 1: of money. That's pretty much I'm saying, what are you
Speaker 1: talking about this for? You're rich, you don't have to
Speaker 1: worry about this. This is no concern of yours. I've
Speaker 1: made a lot of people money too, Yes you have,
Speaker 1: but in the process you make your money. Because I
Speaker 1: haven't seen Jones gonna come out here to the ghetto
Speaker 1: and just go to company and give somebody a million
Speaker 1: dollars and walked down the stair. Here's a million for you,
Speaker 1: here's a million for you. So you haven't given anyone anything.
Speaker 1: And I say that respectful. This to be acknowledges, you
Speaker 1: gotta be rich for it to come out in social media,
Speaker 1: opposed to people living around it every day. They gotta,
Speaker 1: they gotta. They got this guy do these skits on YouTube.
Speaker 1: And he walked up to black people's shade, pass me
Speaker 1: that coat. Boy. Yeah, I know you're talking about. It's
Speaker 1: like they said, Boozy one of his little partners kids due,
Speaker 1: But why promotion like that, why even frank like that?
Speaker 1: You feel with with with the way the world is today.
Speaker 1: That's not a joke. It's not a joke. And and
Speaker 1: Jerry Jones forty five years ago, I mean, who really care?
Speaker 1: The man is oh, the man is rich, the man
Speaker 1: is bad. But it's it's it's just crazy how people
Speaker 1: point out ship. Yeah. I think, like you said, bro,
Speaker 1: it's the hypocrisy. I think everybody has common sense to
Speaker 1: know that it was so far, it was so long ago,
Speaker 1: he was young. He probably it's nobody knows unless you
Speaker 1: were there, I know. But what I'm saying, if you labeled,
Speaker 1: you labeled. If if somebody seen my penitentiary picture from
Speaker 1: from from thirty years ago, they're gonna say I'm a
Speaker 1: dog exactly exactly when I'm seventy five, they're gonna say
Speaker 1: that he's a thug. Yeah, which is bullshit. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, because we all gotta pass the same.
Speaker 1: Like you said earlier, I grow up exactly that. So
Speaker 1: why put me? Why why I still said the same thing?
Speaker 1: Why put me in that category? As human nature, people
Speaker 1: love to hold people the standards. They can't hold themselves too,
Speaker 1: because the thing about it the same person that will
Speaker 1: point the finger at you. And you know, I used
Speaker 1: to tell my old lady this, like right with with
Speaker 1: Tiger Woods, when Tiger Woods was holding uh you know,
Speaker 1: that big old thing explaining himself and you know, his
Speaker 1: personal life. I'm like, there's nobody's business with him and
Speaker 1: his old lady. And I said, if I had Tiger
Speaker 1: Woods money and resource, you know what I would have
Speaker 1: did out of See, it's different, it's different when you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. When the when the rabbit got
Speaker 1: the gun out, have held a press conference with everybody
Speaker 1: they wanted something to say. I would have spread a
Speaker 1: bunch of money around and have somebody looking to everybody's
Speaker 1: ship and find the most unflattered thing about them. And
Speaker 1: the first person that raised their hand asked me some
Speaker 1: silly ship out of said okay, ham me his file,
Speaker 1: ham me his file, and I would have went in there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: oh so you like boys, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Oh you got caught with such and such. Yeah it
Speaker 1: was thirty years ago, but it still happened. I bet you.
Speaker 1: Nobody else would ask a question. Nobody would raise the
Speaker 1: hand because they don't know what you know. You know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the thing about it. People have to stop trying
Speaker 1: to hold people to standards. They can't. We are all flawed,
Speaker 1: all of us fall short, all of us have done
Speaker 1: unflattering things. Some of us have had to live it
Speaker 1: out in the public. But we're unit, like you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So, but but I'm not absolving him
Speaker 1: Jerry Jones from being held accountable equally as we do
Speaker 1: when we make a mistep, and that's all, you know,
Speaker 1: and holding someone accountable there's not the act of passing judgment.
Speaker 1: It's something accountable and to be honest with you, him
Speaker 1: being in the position that he's in the moment that
Speaker 1: came out. He has the money, he has the resources.
Speaker 1: Teacher that had his publicist in this office from the
Speaker 1: NBC News here today, I'm going to press this stuff. Hey,
Speaker 1: I was a little kid, not just happening to be
Speaker 1: at the schools. Don't know what's going on, but this
Speaker 1: is what I have done and racism. He could have
Speaker 1: used that really as a moment to show that, you
Speaker 1: know what, I'm not that same person anymore because I've
Speaker 1: known people, um that were initially racist because that's the
Speaker 1: that's how they were raised, that's the community they come from.
Speaker 1: I have a good friend, me and him have been
Speaker 1: friends for maybe thirty years from now. His name is
Speaker 1: Kevin O'Connor. He's a truck driver. Now he actually owned
Speaker 1: several trucks in the Philadelphia area. Has his own business right.
Speaker 1: But when I first met Kevin, Kevin was a straight
Speaker 1: up red neck. He was from Bold to Colorado. He
Speaker 1: hadn't it was only one black person on this high
Speaker 1: school football team. You know. We were teammates and we
Speaker 1: wound up becoming good friends through all of the term oil.
Speaker 1: We initially went through because he was a big swell
Speaker 1: white boy. I was a big swoller young black dude.
Speaker 1: I didn't like him. He didn't like me. Luckily, we
Speaker 1: never handed out because Kevin was one of them tough
Speaker 1: white boys. You know you're from the Midwest court. We
Speaker 1: got some white boys back there the fight showay, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean that that was like they scared
Speaker 1: of him. They would let you know what's on their
Speaker 1: mind and they would go right. So we wound up.
Speaker 1: He came one day and gave me a soda. That
Speaker 1: was his little gesture. He was at the practice and
Speaker 1: he came and gave me. It wasn't so it was
Speaker 1: a can of gatorade. That's when they had him in
Speaker 1: a camp. Good looking out. We were roommates. We wound
Speaker 1: up becoming cool and for that two years that we
Speaker 1: were together, became the best of friends. He eventually went
Speaker 1: on the San Jose State playing football. Actually dated a
Speaker 1: few black girls during his time out there, but that
Speaker 1: was because he was finally around black people to actually
Speaker 1: get the no black people and that wasn't what he's
Speaker 1: heard his whole life because he had to raise his
Speaker 1: father and I'm gonna go even deeper. His mom wound
Speaker 1: up coming out because we had a rough out of here. Man.
Speaker 1: You know, we were starving students. You know, his mom
Speaker 1: wounded up moving to California because she had divorced his father. Now,
Speaker 1: who I heard was a racist man. But when I
Speaker 1: tell you that mom was the sweetest lady in the world,
Speaker 1: actually wound up taking me in that year too. So
Speaker 1: I went from eating top ramen every night to have
Speaker 1: and she was taking care of me. She made him
Speaker 1: a plate, I got one me and her, Miss Marlene
Speaker 1: O'Connell shot off to her. She lives in Utah right now.
Speaker 1: So you have people who grow and learned. This mom
Speaker 1: obviously was never racist because she treated me like her own.
Speaker 1: She still have talked to me sometimes if I cursed online. Now,
Speaker 1: norm you know I raised you better than that. She's
Speaker 1: a great person. So you do have people. Everything is
Speaker 1: just not You have to look at people's situations sometimes
Speaker 1: in their origins, because, to be honest with you, where
Speaker 1: I come from in the Midwest, Cleveland. Cleveland was very segregated.
Speaker 1: Even when they implemented the segregation, it was the white
Speaker 1: guys stay on their part of town. The brothers was
Speaker 1: on the east side and the Puerto Rigans was kind
Speaker 1: of up north, but they kind of integrated with us,
Speaker 1: you know something, We kind of kicking with each other,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. You had brothers going over
Speaker 1: to the hall at the Puerto Rican girls. You know,
Speaker 1: you had the Puerto Rican guys come in holiday the sisters, right,
Speaker 1: so we all deal with this ship up. Yeah, because
Speaker 1: I swear to God to you, my story is a
Speaker 1: little different because what made me really change and see
Speaker 1: that it is some good white people out there. It
Speaker 1: was two police officers happened to be married, uh grad
Speaker 1: Cadien and his wife Donna. And when they took me
Speaker 1: to Australia, it was a whole different word from me
Speaker 1: because this lady treated me like a son, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, And their son was there and I
Speaker 1: felt like part of their family. This actually treated me
Speaker 1: and it was so fucking weird to me because why
Speaker 1: is this white lady acting like that? Why is Gregg
Speaker 1: so open? Man? I swear to God, I had to
Speaker 1: take my shot, my incident eye, and Greg was so
Speaker 1: curious about Wow, like you really do this? Can I
Speaker 1: can I give you a shot? I just want to
Speaker 1: know how to do it. Yeah, you can get a
Speaker 1: shot to me. So he ministered my shot and it
Speaker 1: was like he was cheariotted and I'm like, man, I
Speaker 1: felt something right then and there. It's like these white
Speaker 1: people really felt. These two people, this family really feel
Speaker 1: like they I'm in their heart, like I'm good. So
Speaker 1: I started calling myself the Uh, what's the what's the
Speaker 1: movie with the black dude football player? Blindside? No? Did
Speaker 1: uh Michael the or story Michael like that? So I
Speaker 1: got to call it myself Michael because that's how they
Speaker 1: treated me. So, you know, for anybody to sit and
Speaker 1: sitting there say all white people are bad, that's bullshit. No,
Speaker 1: that's bullshit. They talked me totally different, and I've never
Speaker 1: experienced that with a white family that were police officers.
Speaker 1: That that was totally different from me. Yeah, background the
Speaker 1: whole now show all I made bad, brother, all of
Speaker 1: the I can't remember. I can remember coming up, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean me in Kansas City, Missouri, like still said
Speaker 1: in the Midwest, Like it wasn't a mountain pot like
Speaker 1: how l A is. You know, it was mainly white
Speaker 1: and black and you had a few Mexicans. Uh you know,
Speaker 1: kind of often to cut on the West Side. But
Speaker 1: for the most part, I grew up in the hood.
Speaker 1: You know, I wasn't exposed to any other cultures until
Speaker 1: like still said, when they started that they started the
Speaker 1: Magnet program, uh in like the late eighties in Kents City.
Speaker 1: So I got I got bussed to kind of a
Speaker 1: mixed school, still predominantly black, but um, it was still
Speaker 1: you know, the first time I've been around white people,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Um, And you know, in
Speaker 1: my household, bro, I didn't really you know, I'll be
Speaker 1: honest with you. My mother didn't talk much about race
Speaker 1: growing up. Like what I learned about race relations and
Speaker 1: white people and other cultures were as just through life experience,
Speaker 1: you know, when I got out into the world. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like my I didn't grow up
Speaker 1: in the household where my mother was the white man,
Speaker 1: the white man, the devil. I never had those conversations.
Speaker 1: So what I learned is what people showed me. And
Speaker 1: you know, and what I what I did, what the
Speaker 1: world has shown me is listen, man, everybody messed up.
Speaker 1: It's it's good people and bad people in every culture.
Speaker 1: To be very honest with you. I ran I run
Speaker 1: across you know, some of my own kind, and I
Speaker 1: don't want to deal with I run across white people
Speaker 1: that are assholes, you know what I mean. And to
Speaker 1: to to James's point, I ran across like even with police,
Speaker 1: I ran across some cool white cops you know that
Speaker 1: actually gave me a pass when they had you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. So, um, you know, people of people.
Speaker 1: But you know, as it like going into what you're saying.
Speaker 1: Still with the desegregation, I think the Magnet program, at
Speaker 1: least in Kansas City was kind of the start of
Speaker 1: trying to, I guess, create this melting pot, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, because before that it was just you
Speaker 1: went to your neighborhood school, you know, whatever school is
Speaker 1: in you know. So but but again you understand the
Speaker 1: infrastructure of schools. You know, the education is different in
Speaker 1: the lower income UH areas, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: because that's where the tax dollars, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: the tax dollars they get allocated more to the suburbs
Speaker 1: and where the money is. Um. So yeah, and I think,
Speaker 1: um a lot of people were raising hill about that
Speaker 1: very issue right there about you know, tax dollars being
Speaker 1: allocated to them more influential areas. So it's just one
Speaker 1: of those things too that the more I learned about
Speaker 1: politics too, the reason why they get their text to
Speaker 1: the higher rate they actually pay the taxes in their
Speaker 1: community to make those schools better, and things of that nature.
Speaker 1: And um, one of the things I remember is this,
Speaker 1: I was highly educated. You gotta remember, I've been around
Speaker 1: nothing but black people my whole life, right, me too,
Speaker 1: So when I, you know, went to Charles or elementary,
Speaker 1: he got plushed there right across streets in the school
Speaker 1: to regularly across that there was a white supremacist building.
Speaker 1: I never will forget it. It had the flags on it.
Speaker 1: And I was too young to really process what was
Speaker 1: going on. Right, But I had a couple of white boys,
Speaker 1: and they were the typical, like white stoner type of kids, right.
Speaker 1: They had never run around black been around black people either.
Speaker 1: One of these kids says something. We were out in
Speaker 1: the thing playing kickball, and this white guy said, man,
Speaker 1: I want you to come stand in my front yard
Speaker 1: and hold his light. And he was laughing him and
Speaker 1: his other white dude not even know what that was. Man,
Speaker 1: I don't know what they were talking about, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. You know, they used to have these
Speaker 1: little things like and some of the people know how
Speaker 1: I had these little things like life. They were like
Speaker 1: a little like gnomes or el but they were painted
Speaker 1: with black faces on them to hold these lights, right,
Speaker 1: to hold these lights. And I guess that's where the
Speaker 1: term I guess that's what the term sports or whatever.
Speaker 1: They had these little things. So when he said that,
Speaker 1: my friend Bam told me, I think that's what dude
Speaker 1: calls you when he's playing kickball. You know, when way
Speaker 1: back home, we passed these houses and stuff, right, and
Speaker 1: they're nicer homes than weird customed to scene. You know,
Speaker 1: we lived in the city. So I'm looking at all
Speaker 1: these nice houses with the freshly manicure lawns, man, and
Speaker 1: just they look nicest, Like, man, I wouldn't live on
Speaker 1: that side of time when I get grown. You know,
Speaker 1: you come from prity and you've never been exposed. And
Speaker 1: he wanted and I go back and see those houses now,
Speaker 1: and I don't like, Man, they're regular piece of ship.
Speaker 1: I was, you know what I mean, my house ship,
Speaker 1: this ship. But when literally you don't see no difference.
Speaker 1: You're coming back to your home, which is a little
Speaker 1: less opulent, you know, let's say the least. You come
Speaker 1: back to your house or whatever like that, and you're like, man,
Speaker 1: they're really living up over there. But I saw that right.
Speaker 1: My friend Bam told me what it was that he
Speaker 1: was referring to me as, and I went out there. Man.
Speaker 1: The next day, that dud didn't know what the hell
Speaker 1: I was talking about, said, Man, what did you call me? Yes,
Speaker 1: they said, Bro, I didn't call you enough. And I said,
Speaker 1: you said, I need to be in your front yard
Speaker 1: holding the light. I saw that looking thing you're saying,
Speaker 1: that's being I just bombed on being thinking. Me and
Speaker 1: that dude, Danny wound up being friends after that. Broy
Speaker 1: and I never will forget the reaction when he brought
Speaker 1: me to his house. My mom was scared of that
Speaker 1: because she was She was saying, yeah, do you want
Speaker 1: to stay to night over my house? Bro? You want
Speaker 1: to stay to night of my house? Is cool? This
Speaker 1: mom was cool with it, sisters was cool, and everybody
Speaker 1: was cool. But the dad was kind of really indifferent.
Speaker 1: He didn't really agree with me. When we come to
Speaker 1: the table, he just said why don't you want your
Speaker 1: friend go to your room and need I guess that
Speaker 1: means he didn't want to be at that table for
Speaker 1: whatever reason. But I had a good time over his
Speaker 1: house that weekend, and I learned a lot. Man. I
Speaker 1: learned that they weren't really rich, bro, They wouldn't. They
Speaker 1: were living the same way we were living, but they
Speaker 1: were white. And that's really kind like struck in my head.
Speaker 1: I said, this dude is kind of going through the
Speaker 1: same thing I'll go through. Because his mama sent this
Speaker 1: to the store and he was trying to hide the
Speaker 1: fact that he had some food stamps. We have food
Speaker 1: stamps back, that he had some cash and food stamps.
Speaker 1: He was trying to hide them. Look, you know he
Speaker 1: used to hide the food stamps back that you never
Speaker 1: wanted to see nobody. You're never gonna let nobody see
Speaker 1: you when it's cool with food stamps. Everybody was doing
Speaker 1: with Everybody always bag when they got somebody with them,
Speaker 1: even though their mama's was used them to right. He
Speaker 1: was kind of embarrassed, man, But I realized, I said, man,
Speaker 1: this dude is going through the same ship as me.
Speaker 1: Uh huh, Ain't that Ain't that funny how that works, though.
Speaker 1: I mean, just kind of to your point about the
Speaker 1: food stamps, because when you get grown, you're looking for
Speaker 1: who's selling food stamps exactly because I'm not gonna lie,
Speaker 1: you know, hopefully you know it's past the ten year period.
Speaker 1: But I haven't been known to, you know, give somebody
Speaker 1: a couple of dollars to help him out what they
Speaker 1: rent or whatever like that, and take their card and
Speaker 1: go do my thing. What do you know? Funny how
Speaker 1: that works. But it's all based on property, man, And
Speaker 1: I'm not really at liberty. I'm not qualified to say
Speaker 1: if segregation desegregation work, that didn't work. I just know
Speaker 1: for me personally, it was my life experiences that made
Speaker 1: me start processing my surrounding is different and realizing that
Speaker 1: every white person is not necessarily evil. Every white person
Speaker 1: named racist, And I think what it's all about, man,
Speaker 1: It's all about educating yourselves, right, because you hear certain
Speaker 1: stereotypes about people, and I implored I encourage anybody out
Speaker 1: there that got thoughts and they hear about different people,
Speaker 1: go study them. They got a little something in every
Speaker 1: city in America. They got a little Italy, they got
Speaker 1: a little China, in every city in this country, Dude,
Speaker 1: they got a part of town where people stay. Go
Speaker 1: try to figure them out and go see what their
Speaker 1: lifestyle is. And they're probably going through the same stuff
Speaker 1: you're going through, if not worse. Sometimes, don't you think
Speaker 1: in the white household, they and the same thing. We're saying,
Speaker 1: All black saint evil. All blacks ain't bad everybody all
Speaker 1: the way around the board. But you know, it's conversations
Speaker 1: like this that brings it out. And you know, I
Speaker 1: can honestly say, I don't think people will relate to
Speaker 1: what we're talking about. Only our people. They you would
Speaker 1: think the opposite decided to be like, what the funk
Speaker 1: are they talking about? You know what I'm saying. They
Speaker 1: It's crazy how I think about it, because I really
Speaker 1: didn't have to deal with white people when I was
Speaker 1: growing up, you know what I'm saying. I knew my place,
Speaker 1: and just when roots came out, we beat up all
Speaker 1: the white kids in school, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And that's where I started seeing, oh they do black
Speaker 1: people like that for real? And we went to school angry,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So it's it's how you
Speaker 1: brought up man and and how you though your process
Speaker 1: was back then, because I didn't. I didn't really trip
Speaker 1: off this ship back then. Like in Compton, motherfucker's was
Speaker 1: getting bussed too, Dominus and and uh continuing ship like that.
Speaker 1: We wouldn't getting some to a white neighborhood to go
Speaker 1: to school, you know what I'm saying. And you know me,
Speaker 1: I didn't go to school anyway. I had to hang
Speaker 1: out in the hood kicking, so nobody would to come through.
Speaker 1: But you know the crazy thing is, I can't even
Speaker 1: again coming from Kansas City, where I mean, it's very
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, It's that Bible belt. It's
Speaker 1: them old you know they say they when you hear
Speaker 1: a motherfucker from Kansas City, say Missouri, Kansas City, Missouri,
Speaker 1: and they say niggra. You know you're dealing with them
Speaker 1: kind of white folks. You know. I've heard the whole
Speaker 1: nigger thing how as well. Yeah, so so honestly, I
Speaker 1: can't even remember the first time that I was called,
Speaker 1: you know, the N word from a white person. I
Speaker 1: want to say I was in the dope, um. I
Speaker 1: want to say I was in Joquelin, Missouri, doing an
Speaker 1: in store. I think I was a rapper. I believe
Speaker 1: that was the first time and uh, my partner Jade up,
Speaker 1: he smashed you like he smashed right, do had it coming?
Speaker 1: But to speak to your point of what you were
Speaker 1: saying with desegregation, I think that I think that, like
Speaker 1: if you look at Tulsa, Oklahoma, I think there was
Speaker 1: a benefit to us having our own community. I think
Speaker 1: there was an economic empowerment there, you know, because the
Speaker 1: dollar could stay in the community longer, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. Um So, I think there was a level
Speaker 1: of empowerment there. But again, when you start talking about
Speaker 1: the systematic, the systems in place where we couldn't really
Speaker 1: thrive because you gotta think we couldn't share in home
Speaker 1: ownership because of red lining, you know what I'm saying. So,
Speaker 1: um so, what happens is, you know, now us moving
Speaker 1: Like if you think about it, you know, white people
Speaker 1: usually move to where the jobs are. Black people want
Speaker 1: to move to where white people are, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. So there was this thing I think coming
Speaker 1: out the red lining to where you know, blacks wanted
Speaker 1: to sharing home ownership and moved to the suburbs. And
Speaker 1: now that's I think where you kind of breeded the
Speaker 1: the boogie middle class black person, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: because like I said, they wanted to you know, it
Speaker 1: was and it was all you know, in the name
Speaker 1: of home ownership. So I think once we took the dollar,
Speaker 1: the black dollar out of the community where it didn't
Speaker 1: cycle through the community enough times to where like how
Speaker 1: you had to Tulsa or how Jewish people do. You know,
Speaker 1: that's the thing about Jewish people, that's what they do do.
Speaker 1: They spend money within their culture and you know, it
Speaker 1: keeps their their economic um nucleus thriving, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. So I think that that's that's probably the
Speaker 1: tid of that, you know what I'm saying. But at
Speaker 1: the same time, you know, fast forward as we talk
Speaker 1: about gentrification, like even myself, you know, our own you
Speaker 1: know um team properties. And I think even with the gentrification,
Speaker 1: I think it's good. It's good when the community can
Speaker 1: share in that, you know what I'm saying. I think
Speaker 1: it works. It works against when when the community is
Speaker 1: you know, when they're squeezed out because the property packs
Speaker 1: go up so much that they can't afford you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, they can't afford to keep their property,
Speaker 1: and then there there's infrastructure that's built around the community
Speaker 1: that they can't even afford to patronize. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, the whole foods and ship like that. I
Speaker 1: think that's where it becomes a problem. You know, I believe,
Speaker 1: I believe in desegregation is kind of you know, hand,
Speaker 1: it kind of works hand in hand. You know, you're saying.
Speaker 1: That comes to a point that was going to bring up.
Speaker 1: If you go to the Nikison Guards right now, I
Speaker 1: forget with three deals, James. But if you go down
Speaker 1: one of the black streets backstreets over there, they are
Speaker 1: building very nice um kindominiums back there, Yeah they are.
Speaker 1: And these things have been empty for wild now you
Speaker 1: can tell they're just kind of building back this way,
Speaker 1: and they're going door to door asking people if they
Speaker 1: want to sell their homes. Some of these homes have
Speaker 1: been in people's families for generations since the fifties and sixties.
Speaker 1: So you've got people thinking, you know what, I can
Speaker 1: see grandma's house for half a million dollars and moved
Speaker 1: to Atlanta or whatever happening. So you're getting a lot
Speaker 1: of that happening, right and they're even talking about tearing
Speaker 1: the Nickoson's down eventure. If you notice, the nflis in
Speaker 1: Englewood right now, and that part of what is very
Speaker 1: central to Los Angeles because you can go and you
Speaker 1: can go down Imperial and hit the L. A. James
Speaker 1: and be from where I'm at now I live in
Speaker 1: the suburb. It's not Living County, right, so you can
Speaker 1: really take that street down all the way through there
Speaker 1: and beat downtown quick like fast. They built the hill.
Speaker 1: You gotta go up the hill. Now. Back in the
Speaker 1: day's Imperial with straight flat straight through. But what happened was,
Speaker 1: you know, white people can go couldn't go up through
Speaker 1: the period and and be stopped at the light. It
Speaker 1: was just go through the end up. Now you can
Speaker 1: go over the bridge and you just go over that ship.
Speaker 1: You see what I'm saying that then when you come
Speaker 1: down you're right there. But in that part that just
Speaker 1: that section there, you couldn't you couldn't stop at the
Speaker 1: red light. I don't know her and everything else, Yeah,
Speaker 1: snatching your person at you at the car. So now
Speaker 1: that they got the Inglewood is fixed up, they're coming
Speaker 1: all the way back towards that part of L. A.
Speaker 1: Straight up I'm gonna tell you what, James, not to
Speaker 1: cut you off, but this is important. IM gonna let
Speaker 1: you get back and land on what you go right.
Speaker 1: They are. It's almost like the community has been trashed
Speaker 1: on purpose for several years just to get the value down.
Speaker 1: Now they're moving everybody off the palm there and I
Speaker 1: guarantee you in the next ten years twenty years, that
Speaker 1: area of what is going to be one of the
Speaker 1: premier areas of l A as far as prod always
Speaker 1: want to get that off. Transformation as a motherfucker. Just
Speaker 1: like in Compton. They rebuilding Incompton, but they're changing their
Speaker 1: names in Compton, Dominga's Hills ship like that. So from
Speaker 1: from having the stadium, they're coming all the way from
Speaker 1: Inglewood all the way back towards Watch. So they want
Speaker 1: people to move out of there because see the white people,
Speaker 1: it was good for them when they was living there
Speaker 1: at that time. Now they moved out and they moving
Speaker 1: whereas earthquakes and all the other ship are it's so
Speaker 1: many miles away from their jobs. They loved that part
Speaker 1: of the town, so they rebuilding that town. They the
Speaker 1: train stations are totally different now, so they rebuilding and
Speaker 1: they're moving out, moving people out, and this is where
Speaker 1: everybody coming Victorville, Plump Deal Bardstow. Yeah. Yeah, we've been
Speaker 1: put back this way. All l A is gonna be
Speaker 1: for that. They downtown l A trying to clean it up,
Speaker 1: because they have cleaned it up a crap. It's gonna
Speaker 1: take him a minute because it is what it is.
Speaker 1: But especially scared Row, I don't know if they ever
Speaker 1: be able to fix that. But you know the thing
Speaker 1: about it is, I travel a lot, Bro, and what
Speaker 1: I can say, Bro, Listen, it's in every city, Bro,
Speaker 1: And in New Orleans, same thing, Kansas City, Miami, all
Speaker 1: these these these places that we knew to be the hood,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like it's places in Kansas City, Bro,
Speaker 1: where I know for a fact in the nineties it
Speaker 1: was trapped, you know what I mean, Like you know
Speaker 1: we had spots over there, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Like you you you know, even in my hood, the
Speaker 1: hood that I'm from. Now I go back, I see
Speaker 1: white people walking their dogs, you know, I see you
Speaker 1: know different. I mean, it's almost like a whole new city. Um.
Speaker 1: Like it's a it's a it's a great thing. Like
Speaker 1: I said, it's a great thing if the existing community
Speaker 1: can hold onto their properties, if they can, if they
Speaker 1: understand the bigger picture, right, Because I'm an investor, right,
Speaker 1: so I see a bunch of investors in the in
Speaker 1: the inner city, right. I started buying properties in the
Speaker 1: hood in the nineties. You know that I still have, right.
Speaker 1: So it wasn't hardly no white investors for real, for real,
Speaker 1: you know. But now you you see all these white
Speaker 1: boys working on their houses. And I tell the residents
Speaker 1: there have been there that own their ship, you know,
Speaker 1: Like I still got a lot of family there. And
Speaker 1: this is in every city. I say, man, hang on
Speaker 1: to your ship, Hang onto your ship, because the comps
Speaker 1: are gonna the value is gonna skyrocket, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. Like, this is your investment right here. You've
Speaker 1: been here, you know, thirty years. Hell, you might as
Speaker 1: well state, you know, twenty years. Whatever it is, because
Speaker 1: them building up that infrastructure around you. That's a good thing.
Speaker 1: So if the property taxes, they're gonna shoot up. But
Speaker 1: the property taxes is what's gonna keep that, you know,
Speaker 1: the neighborhood together, it's gonna make it better, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. So the schools all of that. So
Speaker 1: you know, I anybody listening. Man, if your people or
Speaker 1: even yourself, if you're in the hood and they're building
Speaker 1: it up and you keep getting them letters of them
Speaker 1: trying to give you pennies for your house, man, keep it.
Speaker 1: You know you've got something that's on. You've got something.
Speaker 1: People are targeting court. Those opportunities to them are so
Speaker 1: lucrative that they feel like they gonna miss out something.
Speaker 1: You know, man came by and said, you know, let
Speaker 1: we're talking about the Midwestern man came by and said,
Speaker 1: he's gonna give me seventy thousand for the house. And
Speaker 1: they're taking that money and they they leaving. Right, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna tell you what happened to Cleveland. You even have
Speaker 1: instances of people stealing houses through nefarious means. Right, let
Speaker 1: me tell you what happened. So when my mom and
Speaker 1: my stepdad got the forest, right, he moved down to
Speaker 1: Florida and my mom moved to the hill. She moved
Speaker 1: to Bedford. You know, she started doing better for herself
Speaker 1: and she moved. First thing we do when we get
Speaker 1: some money, we want to move to the hills, to
Speaker 1: Knights or whatever. Right, So she moved to bed room.
Speaker 1: So she was renting the house out that we grew
Speaker 1: up into. My um. One of my uncles, he Evans,
Speaker 1: she got married and when it bought his own house.
Speaker 1: So she added a sexon nate for a minute. But
Speaker 1: the people that toward the house up so bad. She
Speaker 1: was just really even though sex and Nate would always
Speaker 1: come back in and just fix everything. You know, this
Speaker 1: is the home she raised her kids in, so she
Speaker 1: was just really just kind of flustered. They don't put
Speaker 1: holes in the walls, you know, some of like all
Speaker 1: sex nates going about it. But sex made people man
Speaker 1: for some reason. Man, if they don't own it, they
Speaker 1: would go tear your ship up, dude. I'm talking about
Speaker 1: to the point to where the people that even stole
Speaker 1: the copper pipes. You know what the Midwest, we got
Speaker 1: the cop plights that they and they just they stole
Speaker 1: the copper pipes. They was moving out, they stole the
Speaker 1: copper pipes. So my mom pretty much we owned the
Speaker 1: house out right. I think they'd only paid for the house.
Speaker 1: But the work that my stepfather had did through the
Speaker 1: years on that home, it wound up becoming one of
Speaker 1: the premier homes in the neighborhood kind of because he
Speaker 1: you know, all that was in the Midwest. We had
Speaker 1: to close then front porchs. Man, we had the the
Speaker 1: you know, we had to close in front ports to
Speaker 1: the back porchs with the screens and stuff. You know
Speaker 1: how it was in the Midwest where you say you
Speaker 1: don't want the skills to come in and stuff, bro everything.
Speaker 1: So man, when I tell you, man that, I asked
Speaker 1: my mom when they just happened to be talking to it,
Speaker 1: like Mom, what's up with the house? Because I was
Speaker 1: thinking me because I took my what was really at
Speaker 1: me start the conversation. I called myself taking my kids
Speaker 1: back to the hood, like yeah, I'm gonna show y'all
Speaker 1: where I grew up at y'all. Motherfucker spoil. We go
Speaker 1: over there, and I'm like, damn, first, I don't even
Speaker 1: recognize that every street because we've always had very big
Speaker 1: houses over there. Like if it wasn't the five or
Speaker 1: six bedroom house, it was a dude plex. You know,
Speaker 1: the side house to sit side by side, get the
Speaker 1: side by side, you had the side by side of
Speaker 1: the top on top to where you had one level
Speaker 1: down here to where people lived. Then you have some
Speaker 1: stairs and people would go upstairs and live right. So
Speaker 1: they took Cleveland Clinic and went to buying all that
Speaker 1: property around there and doctors moving there. So I'm looking
Speaker 1: at my old house. I'm like, damn, this motherfucker is nice,
Speaker 1: you feel. I mean the back area that had all
Speaker 1: the bottles and bushes growing because between us in the
Speaker 1: next street, in the backyard, you would be able to
Speaker 1: see over my back fence. It was like an empty lot.
Speaker 1: It's a bunch of empty lots, right, And the grass
Speaker 1: that grew so high. They never did that. Man, They've
Speaker 1: made that like a dog walking park now and everything.
Speaker 1: And so I got asked my mom, like, Mom, what's happening.
Speaker 1: You didn't tell me you fix that. She said, Honey,
Speaker 1: you haven't owned that house in ten years. You know
Speaker 1: what happened? Bro? They sent my mom a tax bill
Speaker 1: for five hundred dollars. For five hundred dollars, Bro, they
Speaker 1: had they guess they didn't have Pops forward in the
Speaker 1: address or whatever. Hers, But it wound up being a thing.
Speaker 1: He wounded up pretty. Cleveland Clinic wound up taking that
Speaker 1: house from my mom. I wound up building a six
Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollar house, and you know, and where we
Speaker 1: live out in California, that's a drop in the bucket now,
Speaker 1: especially in on the cities. You know, you gotta move
Speaker 1: way out to get something decent for six hundred thousand
Speaker 1: right over there, you know, Kansas City, Cleveland, six hundred
Speaker 1: thousand dollar houses, the epitome of excellence. You feel what
Speaker 1: I mean? You got a lake with fish in it
Speaker 1: all kind of ship, So I see it. How did
Speaker 1: that happen? And so I started doing research because I said,
Speaker 1: this just can't be right. Come to find out, man,
Speaker 1: one of the first black theater owners in America on
Speaker 1: the theater called it's Crumpy Dump, which is on A
Speaker 1: hundred and five, which is a big area in which
Speaker 1: the Cleveland Clinic occupies now, right, So I guess it
Speaker 1: started back in the eighties their takeover. They wanted to
Speaker 1: own everything that was around there. They messed around and
Speaker 1: trumped up some charges on this cat that owned the
Speaker 1: Scrumpy Dump. And the Scrumpy Dump was very important if
Speaker 1: you google, is right. I employed everybody else to go
Speaker 1: out there and google the Scrumpy Dump. That was the
Speaker 1: name of the place. Right. There were one dollar movies
Speaker 1: and you can go for two for one on the Saturday,
Speaker 1: so her mom would take me there and my brothers
Speaker 1: because it was a cheap form of entertainment. But all
Speaker 1: they showed was black exploitation movies. It was once X
Speaker 1: rated adult theater that he had converted over into a
Speaker 1: regular movie theater. So when they had the premiere, do
Speaker 1: you remember, we wanted a period to where the black
Speaker 1: Hollywood was cracking. You know, they had super Fly, they
Speaker 1: had all these black exploitation movies, right, So that was
Speaker 1: one of the like premiere stops when they had it
Speaker 1: to where that was a big deal around O'Neil and
Speaker 1: then came up here and walked the red carpet, right.
Speaker 1: They wound up trumping some charges up on his brother
Speaker 1: and he wounded up going to jail for two months.
Speaker 1: It was just enough time for them to dig enough
Speaker 1: stuff to say, well he owed these taxes. They really
Speaker 1: had to dig and do some forensics, right, and they
Speaker 1: wound up taking that movie theater from It was a
Speaker 1: landmark that that's the type of place that should still
Speaker 1: be there, that should have got re gentrified. It was
Speaker 1: right next to Woolworth. It was in the prime location
Speaker 1: that part of Cleveland now it's almost unaffordable. All the
Speaker 1: people that lived there before, I can't afford to live
Speaker 1: there anymore. And I'm gonna tell you the one guy
Speaker 1: that came up, one of my best friends. His grandfather
Speaker 1: lived at the end of the street. And it was
Speaker 1: so funny when I went. The last time I was there,
Speaker 1: you still had that little three bedroom house for the
Speaker 1: midst of all these five and six and eight bed
Speaker 1: room houses. Right because he refused to sell. He report
Speaker 1: his bisil a couple of dudes. If you come around,
Speaker 1: He asked me about my ship again. Yeah, you give
Speaker 1: me the money I want for He told them he
Speaker 1: wanted four hundred thousand hours for that house. They kept
Speaker 1: trying to give him the forties. Well you missed. You
Speaker 1: only paid ten thousand four back in nineteen sixty. You come,
Speaker 1: he said, no, not no more. Y'all, don't do throw
Speaker 1: this ship around me. I can stay right well out,
Speaker 1: he said, it's a matter of fact, much I might
Speaker 1: just give me some money out of my house and
Speaker 1: build me one of these scar faces. That's what he
Speaker 1: called me, the scar face. So the cops can't support that.
Speaker 1: The cops are there, you know what I mean. So
Speaker 1: it don't matter what he paid for the cops of
Speaker 1: the cops. So he held his ground right, and they
Speaker 1: wound up getting him. And so he had a plan.
Speaker 1: He wound up he wanted to go back to Mississippi anyway,
Speaker 1: because everybody in Ohio was reasoning from Mississippi Florida. Dog,
Speaker 1: I don't know what it is, right. So he wound
Speaker 1: up selling this house man and getting his money and
Speaker 1: getting on him. Right. But I look at that what
Speaker 1: they're doing just the same thing in Detroit right now.
Speaker 1: They were doing so much killing them Detroit at one time, bro,
Speaker 1: because you know, Cleveland Detroit kind of sister cities. It's
Speaker 1: so close, because we should drifted to go by closed
Speaker 1: because Detroit seemed like they always got stuff that we
Speaker 1: didn't get. So we had a little bit of money,
Speaker 1: we will take that couple hour with driving Detroit or
Speaker 1: either go to Flint right, go buy clothes. But they
Speaker 1: got the same thing in Detroit, I believe in right
Speaker 1: now in Detroit, Michigan, certain parts like an eight mile
Speaker 1: and all that you can go by eight very Remmberry
Speaker 1: Miles James three or four thousand dollars, damn. But you
Speaker 1: know what, you know what I think that should happen. Bro.
Speaker 1: And this may sound fucked up, but I don't mean
Speaker 1: it with the with the racist connotation. Um, but I
Speaker 1: think that people in the hood, like the gentleman that
Speaker 1: you just talked about back home, I think if if
Speaker 1: they are gonna sell, sell to a black investor, or
Speaker 1: sell to a black family. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I think that that that that should be the course
Speaker 1: of action because again that you know that that that's
Speaker 1: what keeps us in power, you know what I mean, economically,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, because sell it to another investor,
Speaker 1: because again there are black investors that are doing the
Speaker 1: same thing that the white investors doing. They're coming in
Speaker 1: you know. You know, I'm an investor. So yeah, if
Speaker 1: I could get some ship cheap before a good price,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get it too. But you know, if you're
Speaker 1: gonna do that, dump it to somebody, you know, dump
Speaker 1: it to a black person. I would have loved to
Speaker 1: have that opportunity to get the house that I was
Speaker 1: raised in to actually do what they with the Cleveland
Speaker 1: Clinic wound up feloniously doing. Yeah, I would have loved
Speaker 1: for me to have that opportunity to buy that home
Speaker 1: as a future investor for my children. Because I'm gonna
Speaker 1: tell you one of the best things I did maybe
Speaker 1: six years ago is I bought a little piece of
Speaker 1: land and ravanelile that's about an acre, like a little
Speaker 1: bit of under an acre, right, and it is just
Speaker 1: sitting there. May making me no money, but you know what,
Speaker 1: I'm starting to see my cousin, one of my cousins,
Speaker 1: they just came and brought his land from him. Well,
Speaker 1: actually he's on the land lease with him. Yeah, the
Speaker 1: Dollar Generals that they had back in the Midwest, right,
Speaker 1: they're only a hundred year land lease with him to
Speaker 1: where they're paying him I think forty five hundred a month.
Speaker 1: That goes up every five years by two and a
Speaker 1: half a cent or something like that. And I would say,
Speaker 1: if you do have land back there doing land leash,
Speaker 1: don't never sell your land, all right, because the thing
Speaker 1: about it, let's say that Dollar General gonna make it
Speaker 1: in the area and they decided up and move fifteen
Speaker 1: years from now. Now he got a building and his
Speaker 1: land as he is, that he could rent out or
Speaker 1: do anything or open up his own business if he
Speaker 1: wanted to. But I'm really right now. I'm on a
Speaker 1: tick right now. You know, just think about all this
Speaker 1: stuff that we're really I want to get together with
Speaker 1: a group of like minded brothers and the next year
Speaker 1: and go to to the Detroit, Michigan's, the Cleveland, Ohios
Speaker 1: and just start going to go buy six seven house
Speaker 1: at a time. They're that cheap, Yeah, for sure, especially
Speaker 1: in in in uh in Detroit, I mean all the
Speaker 1: Midwestern cities that you started an investment group. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: want to start an investment group and tell people, Look,
Speaker 1: it's not gonna take much, bro, I'm talking about us
Speaker 1: coming in in some cases the piece broke. You know,
Speaker 1: you don't have to start off big man. Listen. That's
Speaker 1: how I built my portfolio. I tell people all the time, bro,
Speaker 1: to be transparent. You know. I had music money in
Speaker 1: the nineties. I had hustle money as well. And the
Speaker 1: first piece of property I bought in Kansas City, I
Speaker 1: pay seventeen five for. It was a three bear room,
Speaker 1: one bear, three bed room, one bathroom house I pay
Speaker 1: seventeen five for. I think I put another maybe fifteen
Speaker 1: into it. I remember standing now, I'm like nineteen years old.
Speaker 1: I remember standing in front of it, and I'm thinking, jam, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm into this house. You know, i'most thirty five racks
Speaker 1: and I'm renting it out for six hundred a month,
Speaker 1: and I'm like ship, you know, like I'm gonna get
Speaker 1: my money back, right. So you know, the game that
Speaker 1: I was in at that time was about volume, you know.
Speaker 1: So it dawned on me. It was like ship, Okay,
Speaker 1: if I get tentities, you know what I'm saying. Then
Speaker 1: now as six to eight hundred a month that that
Speaker 1: I could potentially get, it turns into six eight thousand
Speaker 1: because I just I didn't know nothing about equity. I
Speaker 1: didn't know nothing about leveraging or any of that. Ship.
Speaker 1: But to your point, man, there was properties that I
Speaker 1: bought in Kansas City for five thousand because especially when
Speaker 1: you're talking cash, because what happens is this is what
Speaker 1: I would do. This is what I would do, James,
Speaker 1: because I had cash, right, so they would be asking
Speaker 1: twenty thousand dollars. So I would have my contractor go
Speaker 1: to the house. Sometimes he even had to break in
Speaker 1: the house, right, go and see that it was an
Speaker 1: abandoned house. Go see give me a scope of work.
Speaker 1: So that way, I would know how much I had
Speaker 1: to put into it, so I would before I even
Speaker 1: made an offer, I would know what the work is
Speaker 1: and what it could be worth, what the cops were
Speaker 1: in the area, so I would When you got cash,
Speaker 1: you can play hardball. So they would be like twenty
Speaker 1: thousand dollars. I would say, Man, I give y'all six
Speaker 1: thousand dollars, five thousand dollars in our clothes in in
Speaker 1: in forty eight hours, you know what I mean, And
Speaker 1: they would take it. So when you have those investment groups,
Speaker 1: which I've been a part of one before, when you
Speaker 1: pull your cash together, you're able to make those moves
Speaker 1: like that, you know what I'm saying, Because when you
Speaker 1: got the cash on debt and you could play hardball,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And some of it is,
Speaker 1: you know, sometimes you can get into it and flip,
Speaker 1: but you know, there's also those long plays like what
Speaker 1: Still was saying, that's that's good game, what you just said.
Speaker 1: If they didn't catch it, we're buying land and leasing
Speaker 1: your land out, that's a good game, right for sure,
Speaker 1: and stuff like this. Let me show you core, because
Speaker 1: they're not making land anymore. They're not making anymore, So
Speaker 1: you're not making the more land if you can get it.
Speaker 1: Even stuff like this, can you guys see this right here? Yeah,
Speaker 1: for sure, look at this. Let me say this, Let
Speaker 1: me say this real quick to anybody watching. But you
Speaker 1: have to be mindful. Listen, it looks cheap, right, but
Speaker 1: you still have to have the business model. You got
Speaker 1: to understand your numbers because it could be for hundred dollars.
Speaker 1: But then when you get to see the scope of
Speaker 1: the work, you want to be careful because it could
Speaker 1: work around and need sixty dollars worth to work and
Speaker 1: it only comp out for fifty. So so you still
Speaker 1: got to do your homework on it. And you have
Speaker 1: to do your homework. And see I'm showing these and
Speaker 1: these are more for like even if you've got a
Speaker 1: new family, right, a young family, Yeah, it's not bad.
Speaker 1: Like look at this point right here, This is ten
Speaker 1: thous dollars right here, right right, this house right in
Speaker 1: this particular home is something Wayne County. Right, it's a
Speaker 1: three bed room and it needs a lot of work.
Speaker 1: You can see the um a lot of um fourage
Speaker 1: outside and stuff right there, even stuff like that like
Speaker 1: court is exactly right. You don't know if the fourwags.
Speaker 1: Sometimes it's growing into the pipes in the house. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you gotta get your cop. You gotta get the cops
Speaker 1: like when you see yeah. So so that way you
Speaker 1: know what you have to spend and what you need,
Speaker 1: you know. So if you know that, okay, the houses
Speaker 1: that this square footage in this neighborhood are praising out
Speaker 1: when they're finished for eighty tho dollars, So I know
Speaker 1: I need it. If I'm a flip it or whatever
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do, I know I need to be no
Speaker 1: more than fifty in his house that's purchased and getting it,
Speaker 1: you know, renovated. So that's how you gotta look at it,
Speaker 1: you know, because you want to make a profit and
Speaker 1: see what I'm proposing. Sometimes court like you're right up
Speaker 1: exact undercent right. You may go somewhere in the house
Speaker 1: may require a hundred thousand dollars, hundred thousand dollars worth
Speaker 1: of working there, but it may be the Compston area
Speaker 1: maybe only sixties and seventy, right, So you gotta think
Speaker 1: about it like this. Sometimes it's cheaper for you to
Speaker 1: go there by those three houses. Knock them all down.
Speaker 1: Once you go. You gotta really do what that says.
Speaker 1: You gotta have somebody want you to know what they're
Speaker 1: doing to right. Luckily I got the umple Us in
Speaker 1: construction and he just didn't want to told me don't
Speaker 1: go because I was going to buy this little too
Speaker 1: big of the house and it's just been sitting there
Speaker 1: for the loans that looked good and outside. My um
Speaker 1: has been building houses for the last sixty years, he
Speaker 1: told me. He said, son, he said, that's no starter
Speaker 1: right there. He said, you buy that house is gonna
Speaker 1: be worth more. Trouble, He said that the thing what
Speaker 1: happened was yea, the water python in front of the house. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the main line and yeah, you said by the time
Speaker 1: you you know what he told me, shame just what
Speaker 1: you said. He said that it's caught up by the
Speaker 1: sewer or something and it would literally cost about two
Speaker 1: hundred Because now you want these people property, you have
Speaker 1: to go dig a property next door. And I've had
Speaker 1: it done a couple of times, and usually what it
Speaker 1: requires as a bobcat because they gotta dig up the
Speaker 1: yard from the house to the curve. Right. So I
Speaker 1: always tell people, rude, rude. Anybody that want to be
Speaker 1: investor or whatever. So I have a rule, Right, there's
Speaker 1: only one big thing that I'm going to fix in
Speaker 1: the house. Right, So if I go, you want to
Speaker 1: check the h v a C, the foundation, the main line,
Speaker 1: and the roof. So you pick your battle. You don't
Speaker 1: want to go into a house and you got to
Speaker 1: do a rough h v a C the foundation note
Speaker 1: you know me, Yeah, you pick one. So if you
Speaker 1: go into a house and it's like damn, okay, the
Speaker 1: whole inside needs to be done and it only needs
Speaker 1: a roof, Okay, cool if the numbers make sense. But
Speaker 1: if you go into a house and it's like damn,
Speaker 1: the foundation leaning, the house leaning, it needs h v
Speaker 1: a C, it needs a roof, that's too much. It's
Speaker 1: better off if you can get that plan for cheat
Speaker 1: better making an offering, getting a knock down and just
Speaker 1: having the lean and just rebuilding all over again. Many
Speaker 1: unless you do the work yourself. Unless you do the
Speaker 1: work yourself, then that's circumvinced. You know that that's fine
Speaker 1: whatever you choose to do. But you know that's kind
Speaker 1: of a ruler thumb because yeah, you'll get in over
Speaker 1: your head to be a money pit wouldn't you be
Speaker 1: working you know, so andy of the problem if if
Speaker 1: all the houses are nice, and then you buy this
Speaker 1: house for thirty grand, you gotta do all the upgrades
Speaker 1: on this house to get the comps that you won't.
Speaker 1: Yeah you bring the value, Yeah you bring yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 1: which is the way you want to do it, because
Speaker 1: because when you buy a house already done and ready
Speaker 1: to go, you know, you're being marked up on that.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. The person is buying that
Speaker 1: you buy it from, They get the value. You're coming
Speaker 1: in just you know, at market price, and you gotta
Speaker 1: you know, pay into the value. Start paying down that principle,
Speaker 1: and hopefully the cops go the other way, they go up,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So you know, I want
Speaker 1: to Um, you know who does a pretty nice show
Speaker 1: on this same subject, man as Envy. They have an
Speaker 1: excellent financial show. It's a pretty big show too, and
Speaker 1: they get a lot of ears to a shout off
Speaker 1: to the Homy d J Envy. But he's into that.
Speaker 1: I think him and Angeler he had actually partnered up
Speaker 1: and he was going off to Detroit getting um, you know,
Speaker 1: getting different houses and stuff. But yeah, you want to
Speaker 1: get to this. And I'm telling you a fellas that
Speaker 1: you don't have to be a ball. You could be
Speaker 1: a regular working class dude. It's just a matter you're
Speaker 1: getting with like minded people. And that's very important, getting
Speaker 1: with like minded people and get into what you can afford,
Speaker 1: because it's not about going to everybody can go by
Speaker 1: six and seven. At the same time, you may have
Speaker 1: to start off one at a time. I started out
Speaker 1: with one. I started out with one and and the
Speaker 1: thing is, there's so many other ways to acquire property too,
Speaker 1: So sometimes it ain't just having the money. Sometimes it's
Speaker 1: all you can. You can get it and have the
Speaker 1: you can do owner financing, you can do what they
Speaker 1: call with the owner carry paper. It's it's so many
Speaker 1: different ways that you can acquire property if that's what
Speaker 1: you want to do. They got hard money loans. You
Speaker 1: just have to be very structured and and and together
Speaker 1: um um. You gotta be prepared for the hard money
Speaker 1: loans because again that does a higher interest rate and
Speaker 1: you have a certain amount of time to you know,
Speaker 1: you you don't want to be carrying a high that
Speaker 1: high mortgage while you're getting it done because the hard
Speaker 1: money loan. They will provide you with the money to
Speaker 1: purchase the house, and they give you draws to rehab
Speaker 1: the house as well. Um so right, Um, if you
Speaker 1: have enough homes, like let's say, once you get to
Speaker 1: your third or fourth homes, by that point, we have
Speaker 1: a lot of equity fuil up the true If you
Speaker 1: have a lot of equity built up in your four homes,
Speaker 1: you can walk pretty much in any bank. Sure, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: because you have now, because you have collateral. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. You have collateral and see every all
Speaker 1: the information that I'm that I'm saying now bro is listen.
Speaker 1: I'm not formally educated. I graduated from high school, so
Speaker 1: all my experience comes from trialing there. I made every mistake,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So so, so what I
Speaker 1: would tell people is to build your company credit. You're like,
Speaker 1: when I first started, I had all them properties in
Speaker 1: my name, you know, which was a mistake. I didn't
Speaker 1: know to create a corporation. I didn't know that, right,
Speaker 1: So um I would Yeah, if you got three four
Speaker 1: properties free and clear, man, you're good. You know, you
Speaker 1: go in, you get a line of credit, you know,
Speaker 1: a home equity line of credit. But you gotta be
Speaker 1: responsible with it, you know what I'm saying. And then
Speaker 1: you get it in your company name. You build your
Speaker 1: company credit and then you repeat, you know, you do that,
Speaker 1: you use that, you leverage those properties, because that's what,
Speaker 1: in essence, what I end doing. You know, by the
Speaker 1: time I got to twelve properties, I had them free
Speaker 1: and clear and that I knew nothing about credit. I
Speaker 1: knew nothing about equity. I knew nothing about none of that.
Speaker 1: It was a lady at at a credit union. That's
Speaker 1: the other game too. So when you're an investor, especially minority,
Speaker 1: start banking with credit unions, those smaller banks, especially if
Speaker 1: you're a black woman. Believe it or not, they always
Speaker 1: have programs that are geared towards minority businesses. You know
Speaker 1: where they have to you know, they want to give
Speaker 1: you money. They want to give you credit cards and
Speaker 1: credit especially if you have collateral. So you know, do
Speaker 1: your banking with smaller banks and you get a lower
Speaker 1: interest rate. Blood lower interest rate. Absolutely, so you know,
Speaker 1: once you can get your hand on one or two,
Speaker 1: you know, like I say, it's all in what your
Speaker 1: goals are. If you want to flip them, if you
Speaker 1: want to you know for residual income. You know it's
Speaker 1: it's a pretty good business. It's got his ups and downs,
Speaker 1: but you know you can win. Before we get out
Speaker 1: of yet, we have to share this information with other people.
Speaker 1: I'm very big about give you know how I am
Speaker 1: court anybody that's gonna listen, I'm gonna give them good information.
Speaker 1: That was one of the things we have to get out,
Speaker 1: the habit of black people of doing everything under our name.
Speaker 1: What was the first thing I had you go do, James,
Speaker 1: when we got together, Get you a LLC. This is
Speaker 1: that simple. It don't cost that much. Don't fall for
Speaker 1: these things online. What they say for no where you
Speaker 1: can go get your E I N. Number. It takes
Speaker 1: all the five minutes. You'll get that for three. Yeah,
Speaker 1: don't get your stuff together because if stuff is not
Speaker 1: under your name, and then what this does right here,
Speaker 1: Let's say you do start a mass in property, you
Speaker 1: start having some troubles in your life. If everything is
Speaker 1: under your name, they can go after your properties and everything.
Speaker 1: But I can own fifty I can own fifty hours
Speaker 1: around here, and if it's something of my corporation, man,
Speaker 1: I ain't got it. They can't get they can they
Speaker 1: can't don't get nothing. So made every mistake, Bro, I've
Speaker 1: made every mistake. So I've been through that too, and
Speaker 1: that is true. Yeah, because I learned one time when
Speaker 1: I got here with the text love you. One time
Speaker 1: I had everything up under Norman Steel. They came and
Speaker 1: just it was like never again. I learned. I said,
Speaker 1: you know what, this won't happen to me again. I
Speaker 1: stay on the I R S is uh a little
Speaker 1: little you know, hit list. Man. I stayed with them. Hey,
Speaker 1: I stayed with them, them green certified letters coming. You
Speaker 1: know what I mean? All I do is say, man,
Speaker 1: they add that to the U to the pay repay
Speaker 1: back and planing. I got before and I had this
Speaker 1: on everything. But the thing it was, man. One thing
Speaker 1: we have to realize, man, is that there's a wealth
Speaker 1: of information out there. The Internet has made all of
Speaker 1: this information accessible to the common man. What do your
Speaker 1: research like? Like, I'm not a real estate group by
Speaker 1: any means. I just came up on that little bit
Speaker 1: of land. I don't own a whole bunch of property
Speaker 1: outside the house that we own and that, but I
Speaker 1: do plan on getting more because what I realized as
Speaker 1: I get older, you always have to have multiple stream
Speaker 1: stuff income. You can't just sit back and depend on
Speaker 1: one thing. I don't care how much money you're making
Speaker 1: with it. You need to have multiple things going on,
Speaker 1: stuff that won't necessarily take a lot of your time
Speaker 1: necessarily because yeah, exactly, because like me, I'm real time stinch.
Speaker 1: You know I don't have this court you know how
Speaker 1: to heal for me? Man, my phone ringing a hundred
Speaker 1: times a day. I got fifty million things. I'm doing it,
Speaker 1: so I don't have a lot of time. So little things,
Speaker 1: man like eat little things. They could be something that
Speaker 1: may bring you five hundred dollars a month. We can't
Speaker 1: look at everything like the bigg Look, it could be
Speaker 1: something that may bring you five six hundred dollars a month.
Speaker 1: Every opportunity adds up to bigger opportunities. With that being said,
Speaker 1: we out of here. No wait a minute, Wait a minute,
Speaker 1: hold on. I want to know because I want to grow.
Speaker 1: I want to be able to leave, like I said earlier,
Speaker 1: something for my kids and my grand kids. So how
Speaker 1: do you get into of flipping in and all of that,
Speaker 1: bying houses and ship How do you get into it?
Speaker 1: Because I've always believed you have to have a lot
Speaker 1: of money to start that with. Now you you don't,
Speaker 1: You don't really. I will say this though, James, it's
Speaker 1: a little different out here in Cali because it's way
Speaker 1: more expensive. I've never done it here in Cali, you know,
Speaker 1: I've always chosen the South and the Midwest because obviously
Speaker 1: the cost of living. Um. But as I said, you
Speaker 1: know there, you know, it depends that. You know, again,
Speaker 1: you've got hard money situations, you got private money, um. Again,
Speaker 1: depending on how your credit is, depending on how your
Speaker 1: your business credit is you have. You can do a
Speaker 1: paper loans, you know. Um, you can do first time
Speaker 1: investor loans a lot of times. You just need a
Speaker 1: percentage of the money. You know what I'm saying. You
Speaker 1: don't need a lot of money like safer instance, James,
Speaker 1: if I took you to Kansas City, right or or
Speaker 1: if still took you to Ohio, you know, I mean
Speaker 1: you're talking. I mean, you know, if it's a property,
Speaker 1: that's that's what. Let's just say twenty dollars, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. Say you gotta put ten percent down,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, it's two thousand dollars, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? So that's two thousand closing calls,
Speaker 1: so you might be out maybe what maybe thirty five
Speaker 1: dollars or something just about thirty five. You see what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So now when you talk about you know,
Speaker 1: the getting it rehab, you do that as you can.
Speaker 1: What I would say, is it again, this is where
Speaker 1: having your business structured right and going to those credit unions.
Speaker 1: So now once you acquire say you only got the
Speaker 1: thirty five to acquire it, right, but you you got
Speaker 1: it now right. The mortgage on that on a twenty
Speaker 1: thousand dollar house, thirty year mortgage probably gonna be a
Speaker 1: hundred eighty five dollars a month. So now you have
Speaker 1: this piece of property. So now you can take that
Speaker 1: along with you already having your LLC, your corporation or whatever,
Speaker 1: go to the local credit union and say, hey, I
Speaker 1: want to get along, I want to line of credit
Speaker 1: or I want a credit card, and I have this
Speaker 1: property you know, as leverage, so now you can get
Speaker 1: you you know, twenty thirty dollars, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: either most likely in a line of credit or or
Speaker 1: a credit card that could help you get it rehab.
Speaker 1: But again, you just gotta be you gotta be intentional
Speaker 1: and structured, so you gotta understand the numbers. You know,
Speaker 1: you know what that is, Jake. It's just like the street.
Speaker 1: It's just like the streets, you boyo. You know how
Speaker 1: to put your mark up on it and there it is.
Speaker 1: So you understand what the houses are going for in
Speaker 1: that area. And then you have to figure out if
Speaker 1: you want to sell that house to another investor or
Speaker 1: two owner occupied, because owner occupied you're gonna get top
Speaker 1: dollar an investor. So it's just like the streets. You're
Speaker 1: gonna sell to another host seller, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: or you're gonna sell it to a negative is gonna
Speaker 1: be you know, in the corner with it. So there's
Speaker 1: different prices. So it's the same thing, you know, but
Speaker 1: a couple of thousand you could definitely get into something.
Speaker 1: It'll be a little different out here, but you know,
Speaker 1: you move into the Midwest cities, man, a couple of bands,
Speaker 1: you can get it. No, I was gonna say, you
Speaker 1: don't necessarily have to stay out here, James. You have Mississippi. Um,
Speaker 1: the homely Dad's has done done very well. Really state
Speaker 1: in Mississippi looking up better for myself and I'm winning, Yeah,
Speaker 1: to get where I want to go. Mississippi. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: know you don't necessarily have to go back to the
Speaker 1: Midwest of the code. You know you got Mississippi, dude. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that has brought this first time when he
Speaker 1: was got a bunch of I think the same thing,
Speaker 1: Jay C. The bigger figure is in Alabama, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. Like he went to Alabama with his
Speaker 1: ship and brought up a bunch of ships and yeah
Speaker 1: much even my partner John now from Oakland. Uh, he
Speaker 1: went to St. Louis, bro and he literally bought the
Speaker 1: whole block. He bought He bought a school. He bought
Speaker 1: a whole fucking school and yeah, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: and turned it into like a house slash a community center,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So you can act to
Speaker 1: the U, to the Midwest or the South, James, but
Speaker 1: you know we can wrap about it. Bro. Okay, guys,
Speaker 1: you know when you've got my number, bro, Yeah, what
Speaker 1: you do is going Dad's dealing just Instagram because he's
Speaker 1: always talking about you know, Dad's haven't been buying Bobcats
Speaker 1: and everything else. Dad's bought him like three acres of
Speaker 1: land when Atlanta was cheap. Atlanta started to get hot
Speaker 1: now and he bought it like when it was cheap
Speaker 1: late in the back and everything. Not what he's doing
Speaker 1: is building Dad's don't build him his twelve thirteen dead
Speaker 1: room house, his retirement house. Right But behind that he's
Speaker 1: gotten um, you know, the prefab homes. They're not the
Speaker 1: mobile home for the pre fab homes. He's put the
Speaker 1: four because what he said is what he's doing is
Speaker 1: when he got gifts to come over, they don't have
Speaker 1: to come in and mess up this houfice. Now, hey,
Speaker 1: you're gonna take that three bed room over there. You
Speaker 1: can take that too. Bear, we go back there with
Speaker 1: your family and be cool. I think even talking about
Speaker 1: building the club back there. So he said, I ain't
Speaker 1: got to go onto it no more. He's going in
Speaker 1: my backyard, take the golf gard over there. But he's
Speaker 1: literally building a lot of this stuff when his own
Speaker 1: because he's acquired the knowledge over the years. And this
Speaker 1: is a lot of information, Like James, this is a
Speaker 1: lot of good brothers that to give you information. And
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you the go ahead. I'm sorry, still
Speaker 1: go ahead, No, just one more piece of game. When
Speaker 1: you are building your business credit. And this is nothing
Speaker 1: I legal en nothing. It's ways to get different trade
Speaker 1: lines on your credit. But this is something we're talking about,
Speaker 1: like kind of offline. Sometimes it's ways to add different
Speaker 1: trade lines to your credit. Because even something the simplest like, um,
Speaker 1: I remember my first trade line, dude, was me getting
Speaker 1: some inkpens from this company. Dude, but you know my
Speaker 1: logos and stuff up, and yeah, you give me sixty
Speaker 1: days to pay for. What you do is you take
Speaker 1: the sixty days even though it's only fifty bucks, a
Speaker 1: hundred bucks. You've got some mugs, you've got some different stuff,
Speaker 1: but that establishes your credit. Then from there you start
Speaker 1: getting bigger offers for credit. You may get a credit
Speaker 1: card that may say you got a limit on it.
Speaker 1: Right from there, it keeps going up and up and
Speaker 1: up and up. You just don't want that. I tell brothers,
Speaker 1: you gotta make sure we gotta do a better job
Speaker 1: at black people's keeping our credit in order. I have
Speaker 1: very horrible credit a couple of times in life. Me too,
Speaker 1: Me too. You know, I got it together. But you know,
Speaker 1: the area is a free game for you guys out there,
Speaker 1: and we appreciate your tuning in, and I appreciate your
Speaker 1: brothers coming to sit doing with me one more time,
Speaker 1: all the time, all the time, all the time, always honor,
Speaker 1: always for sure. And now we officially out of here.
Speaker 1: You'll have a blessed day. Well. That concludes another episode
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