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Speaker 1: It's your boy, Big Steele and went here with my

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Speaker 1: dogs night that Jake big Court was cracking man, same

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Speaker 1: Like you said earlier, I grow up exactly that. So

424
00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:06,080
Speaker 1: why put me? Why why I still said the same thing?

425
00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:10,080
Speaker 1: Why put me in that category? As human nature, people

426
00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:12,920
Speaker 1: love to hold people the standards. They can't hold themselves too,

427
00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:15,240
Speaker 1: because the thing about it the same person that will

428
00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:17,720
Speaker 1: point the finger at you. And you know, I used

429
00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:19,960
Speaker 1: to tell my old lady this, like right with with

430
00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:23,159
Speaker 1: Tiger Woods, when Tiger Woods was holding uh you know,

431
00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:26,359
Speaker 1: that big old thing explaining himself and you know, his

432
00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:28,760
Speaker 1: personal life. I'm like, there's nobody's business with him and

433
00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:31,040
Speaker 1: his old lady. And I said, if I had Tiger

434
00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:33,320
Speaker 1: Woods money and resource, you know what I would have

435
00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:36,560
Speaker 1: did out of See, it's different, it's different when you

436
00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:38,520
Speaker 1: know what I mean. When the when the rabbit got

437
00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:41,680
Speaker 1: the gun out, have held a press conference with everybody

438
00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:43,639
Speaker 1: they wanted something to say. I would have spread a

439
00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:46,639
Speaker 1: bunch of money around and have somebody looking to everybody's

440
00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:49,840
Speaker 1: ship and find the most unflattered thing about them. And

441
00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:52,520
Speaker 1: the first person that raised their hand asked me some

442
00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:55,040
Speaker 1: silly ship out of said okay, ham me his file,

443
00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:58,480
Speaker 1: ham me his file, and I would have went in there. Yeah,

444
00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:00,640
Speaker 1: oh so you like boys, you know what I'm saying.

445
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:02,560
Speaker 1: Oh you got caught with such and such. Yeah it

446
00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:04,720
Speaker 1: was thirty years ago, but it still happened. I bet you.

447
00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:07,399
Speaker 1: Nobody else would ask a question. Nobody would raise the

448
00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:11,359
Speaker 1: hand because they don't know what you know. You know. Yeah,

449
00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:13,920
Speaker 1: that's the thing about it. People have to stop trying

450
00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:16,479
Speaker 1: to hold people to standards. They can't. We are all flawed,

451
00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:19,639
Speaker 1: all of us fall short, all of us have done

452
00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:22,280
Speaker 1: unflattering things. Some of us have had to live it

453
00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:25,199
Speaker 1: out in the public. But we're unit, like you know

454
00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:29,800
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So, but but I'm not absolving him

455
00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:35,200
Speaker 1: Jerry Jones from being held accountable equally as we do

456
00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:38,959
Speaker 1: when we make a mistep, and that's all, you know,

457
00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:42,800
Speaker 1: and holding someone accountable there's not the act of passing judgment.

458
00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:45,480
Speaker 1: It's something accountable and to be honest with you, him

459
00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:47,919
Speaker 1: being in the position that he's in the moment that

460
00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:50,560
Speaker 1: came out. He has the money, he has the resources.

461
00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:53,400
Speaker 1: Teacher that had his publicist in this office from the

462
00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:56,399
Speaker 1: NBC News here today, I'm going to press this stuff. Hey,

463
00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:58,159
Speaker 1: I was a little kid, not just happening to be

464
00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:00,479
Speaker 1: at the schools. Don't know what's going on, but this

465
00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:02,840
Speaker 1: is what I have done and racism. He could have

466
00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:05,560
Speaker 1: used that really as a moment to show that, you

467
00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:09,080
Speaker 1: know what, I'm not that same person anymore because I've

468
00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:14,840
Speaker 1: known people, um that were initially racist because that's the

469
00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:18,399
Speaker 1: that's how they were raised, that's the community they come from.

470
00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:20,200
Speaker 1: I have a good friend, me and him have been

471
00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:22,359
Speaker 1: friends for maybe thirty years from now. His name is

472
00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:26,000
Speaker 1: Kevin O'Connor. He's a truck driver. Now he actually owned

473
00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:29,400
Speaker 1: several trucks in the Philadelphia area. Has his own business right.

474
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:32,399
Speaker 1: But when I first met Kevin, Kevin was a straight

475
00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:35,280
Speaker 1: up red neck. He was from Bold to Colorado. He

476
00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:38,160
Speaker 1: hadn't it was only one black person on this high

477
00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:41,679
Speaker 1: school football team. You know. We were teammates and we

478
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:45,359
Speaker 1: wound up becoming good friends through all of the term oil.

479
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:47,840
Speaker 1: We initially went through because he was a big swell

480
00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:50,520
Speaker 1: white boy. I was a big swoller young black dude.

481
00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:53,240
Speaker 1: I didn't like him. He didn't like me. Luckily, we

482
00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:55,840
Speaker 1: never handed out because Kevin was one of them tough

483
00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:58,119
Speaker 1: white boys. You know you're from the Midwest court. We

484
00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:00,200
Speaker 1: got some white boys back there the fight showay, you

485
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:02,720
Speaker 1: know what I mean that that was like they scared

486
00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:04,800
Speaker 1: of him. They would let you know what's on their

487
00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:09,399
Speaker 1: mind and they would go right. So we wound up.

488
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:12,400
Speaker 1: He came one day and gave me a soda. That

489
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:14,359
Speaker 1: was his little gesture. He was at the practice and

490
00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:16,000
Speaker 1: he came and gave me. It wasn't so it was

491
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:17,600
Speaker 1: a can of gatorade. That's when they had him in

492
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:21,520
Speaker 1: a camp. Good looking out. We were roommates. We wound

493
00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:24,200
Speaker 1: up becoming cool and for that two years that we

494
00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:26,600
Speaker 1: were together, became the best of friends. He eventually went

495
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:30,040
Speaker 1: on the San Jose State playing football. Actually dated a

496
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:33,480
Speaker 1: few black girls during his time out there, but that

497
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:39,000
Speaker 1: was because he was finally around black people to actually

498
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:41,840
Speaker 1: get the no black people and that wasn't what he's

499
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:44,399
Speaker 1: heard his whole life because he had to raise his

500
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:47,359
Speaker 1: father and I'm gonna go even deeper. His mom wound

501
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:49,639
Speaker 1: up coming out because we had a rough out of here. Man.

502
00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:52,200
Speaker 1: You know, we were starving students. You know, his mom

503
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:56,160
Speaker 1: wounded up moving to California because she had divorced his father. Now,

504
00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:58,879
Speaker 1: who I heard was a racist man. But when I

505
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:01,840
Speaker 1: tell you that mom was the sweetest lady in the world,

506
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:04,719
Speaker 1: actually wound up taking me in that year too. So

507
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:06,919
Speaker 1: I went from eating top ramen every night to have

508
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:09,119
Speaker 1: and she was taking care of me. She made him

509
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 1: a plate, I got one me and her, Miss Marlene

510
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:15,359
Speaker 1: O'Connell shot off to her. She lives in Utah right now.

511
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:19,120
Speaker 1: So you have people who grow and learned. This mom

512
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:22,840
Speaker 1: obviously was never racist because she treated me like her own.

513
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:26,120
Speaker 1: She still have talked to me sometimes if I cursed online. Now,

514
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:29,359
Speaker 1: norm you know I raised you better than that. She's

515
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:32,760
Speaker 1: a great person. So you do have people. Everything is

516
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:37,199
Speaker 1: just not You have to look at people's situations sometimes

517
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:40,360
Speaker 1: in their origins, because, to be honest with you, where

518
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:43,680
Speaker 1: I come from in the Midwest, Cleveland. Cleveland was very segregated.

519
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:46,960
Speaker 1: Even when they implemented the segregation, it was the white

520
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:49,720
Speaker 1: guys stay on their part of town. The brothers was

521
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:52,200
Speaker 1: on the east side and the Puerto Rigans was kind

522
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:54,440
Speaker 1: of up north, but they kind of integrated with us,

523
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:56,520
Speaker 1: you know something, We kind of kicking with each other,

524
00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:58,600
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. You had brothers going over

525
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:00,760
Speaker 1: to the hall at the Puerto Rican girls. You know,

526
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 1: you had the Puerto Rican guys come in holiday the sisters, right,

527
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:07,439
Speaker 1: so we all deal with this ship up. Yeah, because

528
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:10,920
Speaker 1: I swear to God to you, my story is a

529
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 1: little different because what made me really change and see

530
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:20,639
Speaker 1: that it is some good white people out there. It

531
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:26,760
Speaker 1: was two police officers happened to be married, uh grad

532
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:31,439
Speaker 1: Cadien and his wife Donna. And when they took me

533
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:35,439
Speaker 1: to Australia, it was a whole different word from me

534
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:40,000
Speaker 1: because this lady treated me like a son, you know

535
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:43,720
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, And their son was there and I

536
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 1: felt like part of their family. This actually treated me

537
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 1: and it was so fucking weird to me because why

538
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:54,000
Speaker 1: is this white lady acting like that? Why is Gregg

539
00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:57,880
Speaker 1: so open? Man? I swear to God, I had to

540
00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:02,400
Speaker 1: take my shot, my incident eye, and Greg was so

541
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:07,960
Speaker 1: curious about Wow, like you really do this? Can I

542
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:09,520
Speaker 1: can I give you a shot? I just want to

543
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:11,360
Speaker 1: know how to do it. Yeah, you can get a

544
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:15,640
Speaker 1: shot to me. So he ministered my shot and it

545
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:19,320
Speaker 1: was like he was cheariotted and I'm like, man, I

546
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:23,280
Speaker 1: felt something right then and there. It's like these white

547
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:27,680
Speaker 1: people really felt. These two people, this family really feel

548
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:33,560
Speaker 1: like they I'm in their heart, like I'm good. So

549
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 1: I started calling myself the Uh, what's the what's the

550
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:43,120
Speaker 1: movie with the black dude football player? Blindside? No? Did

551
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:51,360
Speaker 1: uh Michael the or story Michael like that? So I

552
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:55,040
Speaker 1: got to call it myself Michael because that's how they

553
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:59,280
Speaker 1: treated me. So, you know, for anybody to sit and

554
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 1: sitting there say all white people are bad, that's bullshit. No,

555
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:06,960
Speaker 1: that's bullshit. They talked me totally different, and I've never

556
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:13,200
Speaker 1: experienced that with a white family that were police officers.

557
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 1: That that was totally different from me. Yeah, background the

558
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:20,440
Speaker 1: whole now show all I made bad, brother, all of

559
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 1: the I can't remember. I can remember coming up, you know,

560
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:27,240
Speaker 1: I mean me in Kansas City, Missouri, like still said

561
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:29,800
Speaker 1: in the Midwest, Like it wasn't a mountain pot like

562
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 1: how l A is. You know, it was mainly white

563
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:35,600
Speaker 1: and black and you had a few Mexicans. Uh you know,

564
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,240
Speaker 1: kind of often to cut on the West Side. But

565
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:40,400
Speaker 1: for the most part, I grew up in the hood.

566
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 1: You know, I wasn't exposed to any other cultures until

567
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 1: like still said, when they started that they started the

568
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:50,440
Speaker 1: Magnet program, uh in like the late eighties in Kents City.

569
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:52,760
Speaker 1: So I got I got bussed to kind of a

570
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:57,000
Speaker 1: mixed school, still predominantly black, but um, it was still

571
00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:59,200
Speaker 1: you know, the first time I've been around white people,

572
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:01,720
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Um, And you know, in

573
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 1: my household, bro, I didn't really you know, I'll be

574
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:07,480
Speaker 1: honest with you. My mother didn't talk much about race

575
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:10,600
Speaker 1: growing up. Like what I learned about race relations and

576
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:15,040
Speaker 1: white people and other cultures were as just through life experience,

577
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 1: you know, when I got out into the world. You

578
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like my I didn't grow up

579
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:20,640
Speaker 1: in the household where my mother was the white man,

580
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 1: the white man, the devil. I never had those conversations.

581
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:27,240
Speaker 1: So what I learned is what people showed me. And

582
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:29,440
Speaker 1: you know, and what I what I did, what the

583
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:33,120
Speaker 1: world has shown me is listen, man, everybody messed up.

584
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 1: It's it's good people and bad people in every culture.

585
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:38,240
Speaker 1: To be very honest with you. I ran I run

586
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:40,920
Speaker 1: across you know, some of my own kind, and I

587
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 1: don't want to deal with I run across white people

588
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:46,120
Speaker 1: that are assholes, you know what I mean. And to

589
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:49,720
Speaker 1: to to James's point, I ran across like even with police,

590
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 1: I ran across some cool white cops you know that

591
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:56,480
Speaker 1: actually gave me a pass when they had you know

592
00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 1: what I mean. So, um, you know, people of people.

593
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 1: But you know, as it like going into what you're saying.

594
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 1: Still with the desegregation, I think the Magnet program, at

595
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 1: least in Kansas City was kind of the start of

596
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:11,920
Speaker 1: trying to, I guess, create this melting pot, you know

597
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:13,960
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, because before that it was just you

598
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 1: went to your neighborhood school, you know, whatever school is

599
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:19,720
Speaker 1: in you know. So but but again you understand the

600
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:22,960
Speaker 1: infrastructure of schools. You know, the education is different in

601
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 1: the lower income UH areas, you know what I'm saying,

602
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 1: because that's where the tax dollars, you know what I'm saying,

603
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 1: the tax dollars they get allocated more to the suburbs

604
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 1: and where the money is. Um. So yeah, and I think,

605
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:39,240
Speaker 1: um a lot of people were raising hill about that

606
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:43,400
Speaker 1: very issue right there about you know, tax dollars being

607
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 1: allocated to them more influential areas. So it's just one

608
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 1: of those things too that the more I learned about

609
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 1: politics too, the reason why they get their text to

610
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 1: the higher rate they actually pay the taxes in their

611
00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 1: community to make those schools better, and things of that nature.

612
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:05,920
Speaker 1: And um, one of the things I remember is this,

613
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 1: I was highly educated. You gotta remember, I've been around

614
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 1: nothing but black people my whole life, right, me too,

615
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 1: So when I, you know, went to Charles or elementary,

616
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:19,360
Speaker 1: he got plushed there right across streets in the school

617
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 1: to regularly across that there was a white supremacist building.

618
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:24,440
Speaker 1: I never will forget it. It had the flags on it.

619
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 1: And I was too young to really process what was

620
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 1: going on. Right, But I had a couple of white boys,

621
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:33,560
Speaker 1: and they were the typical, like white stoner type of kids, right.

622
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 1: They had never run around black been around black people either.

623
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 1: One of these kids says something. We were out in

624
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 1: the thing playing kickball, and this white guy said, man,

625
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 1: I want you to come stand in my front yard

626
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 1: and hold his light. And he was laughing him and

627
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:48,800
Speaker 1: his other white dude not even know what that was. Man,

628
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:50,800
Speaker 1: I don't know what they were talking about, you know

629
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:53,560
Speaker 1: what I mean. You know, they used to have these

630
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 1: little things like and some of the people know how

631
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 1: I had these little things like life. They were like

632
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:01,320
Speaker 1: a little like gnomes or el but they were painted

633
00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 1: with black faces on them to hold these lights, right,

634
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:06,880
Speaker 1: to hold these lights. And I guess that's where the

635
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:12,520
Speaker 1: term I guess that's what the term sports or whatever.

636
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 1: They had these little things. So when he said that,

637
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 1: my friend Bam told me, I think that's what dude

638
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 1: calls you when he's playing kickball. You know, when way

639
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:22,319
Speaker 1: back home, we passed these houses and stuff, right, and

640
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:24,880
Speaker 1: they're nicer homes than weird customed to scene. You know,

641
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:26,759
Speaker 1: we lived in the city. So I'm looking at all

642
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:30,719
Speaker 1: these nice houses with the freshly manicure lawns, man, and

643
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 1: just they look nicest, Like, man, I wouldn't live on

644
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:35,000
Speaker 1: that side of time when I get grown. You know,

645
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:37,880
Speaker 1: you come from prity and you've never been exposed. And

646
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:40,480
Speaker 1: he wanted and I go back and see those houses now,

647
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:42,319
Speaker 1: and I don't like, Man, they're regular piece of ship.

648
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:43,719
Speaker 1: I was, you know what I mean, my house ship,

649
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:47,280
Speaker 1: this ship. But when literally you don't see no difference.

650
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 1: You're coming back to your home, which is a little

651
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:53,879
Speaker 1: less opulent, you know, let's say the least. You come

652
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:56,279
Speaker 1: back to your house or whatever like that, and you're like, man,

653
00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:58,879
Speaker 1: they're really living up over there. But I saw that right.

654
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 1: My friend Bam told me what it was that he

655
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 1: was referring to me as, and I went out there. Man.

656
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 1: The next day, that dud didn't know what the hell

657
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 1: I was talking about, said, Man, what did you call me? Yes,

658
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 1: they said, Bro, I didn't call you enough. And I said,

659
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:11,160
Speaker 1: you said, I need to be in your front yard

660
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:13,319
Speaker 1: holding the light. I saw that looking thing you're saying,

661
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:17,440
Speaker 1: that's being I just bombed on being thinking. Me and

662
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 1: that dude, Danny wound up being friends after that. Broy

663
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:23,880
Speaker 1: and I never will forget the reaction when he brought

664
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:25,920
Speaker 1: me to his house. My mom was scared of that

665
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:28,719
Speaker 1: because she was She was saying, yeah, do you want

666
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 1: to stay to night over my house? Bro? You want

667
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:32,440
Speaker 1: to stay to night of my house? Is cool? This

668
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:36,040
Speaker 1: mom was cool with it, sisters was cool, and everybody

669
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:38,719
Speaker 1: was cool. But the dad was kind of really indifferent.

670
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:40,279
Speaker 1: He didn't really agree with me. When we come to

671
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 1: the table, he just said why don't you want your

672
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:45,279
Speaker 1: friend go to your room and need I guess that

673
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 1: means he didn't want to be at that table for

674
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:49,759
Speaker 1: whatever reason. But I had a good time over his

675
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 1: house that weekend, and I learned a lot. Man. I

676
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 1: learned that they weren't really rich, bro, They wouldn't. They

677
00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 1: were living the same way we were living, but they

678
00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 1: were white. And that's really kind like struck in my head.

679
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:02,840
Speaker 1: I said, this dude is kind of going through the

680
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 1: same thing I'll go through. Because his mama sent this

681
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:07,360
Speaker 1: to the store and he was trying to hide the

682
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:10,760
Speaker 1: fact that he had some food stamps. We have food

683
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 1: stamps back, that he had some cash and food stamps.

684
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:14,840
Speaker 1: He was trying to hide them. Look, you know he

685
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:16,759
Speaker 1: used to hide the food stamps back that you never

686
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:19,479
Speaker 1: wanted to see nobody. You're never gonna let nobody see

687
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 1: you when it's cool with food stamps. Everybody was doing

688
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 1: with Everybody always bag when they got somebody with them,

689
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 1: even though their mama's was used them to right. He

690
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 1: was kind of embarrassed, man, But I realized, I said, man,

691
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 1: this dude is going through the same ship as me.

692
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 1: Uh huh, Ain't that Ain't that funny how that works, though.

693
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:40,880
Speaker 1: I mean, just kind of to your point about the

694
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:43,239
Speaker 1: food stamps, because when you get grown, you're looking for

695
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:46,839
Speaker 1: who's selling food stamps exactly because I'm not gonna lie,

696
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:49,240
Speaker 1: you know, hopefully you know it's past the ten year period.

697
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:51,880
Speaker 1: But I haven't been known to, you know, give somebody

698
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:53,359
Speaker 1: a couple of dollars to help him out what they

699
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:55,360
Speaker 1: rent or whatever like that, and take their card and

700
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 1: go do my thing. What do you know? Funny how

701
00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:01,960
Speaker 1: that works. But it's all based on property, man, And

702
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:07,799
Speaker 1: I'm not really at liberty. I'm not qualified to say

703
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:11,480
Speaker 1: if segregation desegregation work, that didn't work. I just know

704
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:15,160
Speaker 1: for me personally, it was my life experiences that made

705
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:18,960
Speaker 1: me start processing my surrounding is different and realizing that

706
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:22,800
Speaker 1: every white person is not necessarily evil. Every white person

707
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:25,839
Speaker 1: named racist, And I think what it's all about, man,

708
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 1: It's all about educating yourselves, right, because you hear certain

709
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:34,719
Speaker 1: stereotypes about people, and I implored I encourage anybody out

710
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 1: there that got thoughts and they hear about different people,

711
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 1: go study them. They got a little something in every

712
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:42,640
Speaker 1: city in America. They got a little Italy, they got

713
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 1: a little China, in every city in this country, Dude,

714
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:48,279
Speaker 1: they got a part of town where people stay. Go

715
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:50,399
Speaker 1: try to figure them out and go see what their

716
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:52,840
Speaker 1: lifestyle is. And they're probably going through the same stuff

717
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:57,719
Speaker 1: you're going through, if not worse. Sometimes, don't you think

718
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:01,280
Speaker 1: in the white household, they and the same thing. We're saying,

719
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:07,319
Speaker 1: All black saint evil. All blacks ain't bad everybody all

720
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:10,920
Speaker 1: the way around the board. But you know, it's conversations

721
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:14,840
Speaker 1: like this that brings it out. And you know, I

722
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:17,400
Speaker 1: can honestly say, I don't think people will relate to

723
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:21,640
Speaker 1: what we're talking about. Only our people. They you would

724
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 1: think the opposite decided to be like, what the funk

725
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 1: are they talking about? You know what I'm saying. They

726
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:33,480
Speaker 1: It's crazy how I think about it, because I really

727
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 1: didn't have to deal with white people when I was

728
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:39,280
Speaker 1: growing up, you know what I'm saying. I knew my place,

729
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 1: and just when roots came out, we beat up all

730
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 1: the white kids in school, you know what I'm saying.

731
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:49,960
Speaker 1: And that's where I started seeing, oh they do black

732
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:53,920
Speaker 1: people like that for real? And we went to school angry,

733
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So it's it's how you

734
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:02,360
Speaker 1: brought up man and and how you though your process

735
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 1: was back then, because I didn't. I didn't really trip

736
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:08,920
Speaker 1: off this ship back then. Like in Compton, motherfucker's was

737
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:15,399
Speaker 1: getting bussed too, Dominus and and uh continuing ship like that.

738
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 1: We wouldn't getting some to a white neighborhood to go

739
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:21,960
Speaker 1: to school, you know what I'm saying. And you know me,

740
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 1: I didn't go to school anyway. I had to hang

741
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 1: out in the hood kicking, so nobody would to come through.

742
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 1: But you know the crazy thing is, I can't even

743
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:35,400
Speaker 1: again coming from Kansas City, where I mean, it's very

744
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:37,799
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, It's that Bible belt. It's

745
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:40,080
Speaker 1: them old you know they say they when you hear

746
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 1: a motherfucker from Kansas City, say Missouri, Kansas City, Missouri,

747
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:46,839
Speaker 1: and they say niggra. You know you're dealing with them

748
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 1: kind of white folks. You know. I've heard the whole

749
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:53,440
Speaker 1: nigger thing how as well. Yeah, so so honestly, I

750
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:56,240
Speaker 1: can't even remember the first time that I was called,

751
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 1: you know, the N word from a white person. I

752
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:01,960
Speaker 1: want to say I was in the dope, um. I

753
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:04,319
Speaker 1: want to say I was in Joquelin, Missouri, doing an

754
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:06,280
Speaker 1: in store. I think I was a rapper. I believe

755
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:09,520
Speaker 1: that was the first time and uh, my partner Jade up,

756
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:13,360
Speaker 1: he smashed you like he smashed right, do had it coming?

757
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:16,359
Speaker 1: But to speak to your point of what you were

758
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:20,200
Speaker 1: saying with desegregation, I think that I think that, like

759
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:22,400
Speaker 1: if you look at Tulsa, Oklahoma, I think there was

760
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 1: a benefit to us having our own community. I think

761
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:29,400
Speaker 1: there was an economic empowerment there, you know, because the

762
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 1: dollar could stay in the community longer, you know what

763
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:34,360
Speaker 1: I mean. Um So, I think there was a level

764
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:36,960
Speaker 1: of empowerment there. But again, when you start talking about

765
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:40,480
Speaker 1: the systematic, the systems in place where we couldn't really

766
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:43,000
Speaker 1: thrive because you gotta think we couldn't share in home

767
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:46,359
Speaker 1: ownership because of red lining, you know what I'm saying. So,

768
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 1: um so, what happens is, you know, now us moving

769
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:52,800
Speaker 1: Like if you think about it, you know, white people

770
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 1: usually move to where the jobs are. Black people want

771
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 1: to move to where white people are, you know what

772
00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:00,760
Speaker 1: I mean. So there was this thing I think coming

773
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 1: out the red lining to where you know, blacks wanted

774
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:08,720
Speaker 1: to sharing home ownership and moved to the suburbs. And

775
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:11,000
Speaker 1: now that's I think where you kind of breeded the

776
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:14,040
Speaker 1: the boogie middle class black person, you know what I'm saying,

777
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 1: because like I said, they wanted to you know, it

778
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:18,719
Speaker 1: was and it was all you know, in the name

779
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:23,440
Speaker 1: of home ownership. So I think once we took the dollar,

780
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:26,720
Speaker 1: the black dollar out of the community where it didn't

781
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:29,920
Speaker 1: cycle through the community enough times to where like how

782
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 1: you had to Tulsa or how Jewish people do. You know,

783
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 1: that's the thing about Jewish people, that's what they do do.

784
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:37,759
Speaker 1: They spend money within their culture and you know, it

785
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:42,360
Speaker 1: keeps their their economic um nucleus thriving, you know what

786
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 1: I mean. So I think that that's that's probably the

787
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 1: tid of that, you know what I'm saying. But at

788
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:51,279
Speaker 1: the same time, you know, fast forward as we talk

789
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:55,239
Speaker 1: about gentrification, like even myself, you know, our own you

790
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:59,919
Speaker 1: know um team properties. And I think even with the gentrification,

791
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 1: I think it's good. It's good when the community can

792
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:06,879
Speaker 1: share in that, you know what I'm saying. I think

793
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:10,360
Speaker 1: it works. It works against when when the community is

794
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:14,040
Speaker 1: you know, when they're squeezed out because the property packs

795
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:16,840
Speaker 1: go up so much that they can't afford you know

796
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 1: what I mean, they can't afford to keep their property,

797
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:23,320
Speaker 1: and then there there's infrastructure that's built around the community

798
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 1: that they can't even afford to patronize. You know what

799
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:28,400
Speaker 1: I'm saying, the whole foods and ship like that. I

800
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:31,440
Speaker 1: think that's where it becomes a problem. You know, I believe,

801
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 1: I believe in desegregation is kind of you know, hand,

802
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:38,640
Speaker 1: it kind of works hand in hand. You know, you're saying.

803
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 1: That comes to a point that was going to bring up.

804
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 1: If you go to the Nikison Guards right now, I

805
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 1: forget with three deals, James. But if you go down

806
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:50,719
Speaker 1: one of the black streets backstreets over there, they are

807
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:57,719
Speaker 1: building very nice um kindominiums back there, Yeah they are.

808
00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:00,799
Speaker 1: And these things have been empty for wild now you

809
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:03,360
Speaker 1: can tell they're just kind of building back this way,

810
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:05,799
Speaker 1: and they're going door to door asking people if they

811
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 1: want to sell their homes. Some of these homes have

812
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 1: been in people's families for generations since the fifties and sixties.

813
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 1: So you've got people thinking, you know what, I can

814
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:16,719
Speaker 1: see grandma's house for half a million dollars and moved

815
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:18,759
Speaker 1: to Atlanta or whatever happening. So you're getting a lot

816
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:21,880
Speaker 1: of that happening, right and they're even talking about tearing

817
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 1: the Nickoson's down eventure. If you notice, the nflis in

818
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 1: Englewood right now, and that part of what is very

819
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:33,239
Speaker 1: central to Los Angeles because you can go and you

820
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:36,160
Speaker 1: can go down Imperial and hit the L. A. James

821
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 1: and be from where I'm at now I live in

822
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:41,600
Speaker 1: the suburb. It's not Living County, right, so you can

823
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 1: really take that street down all the way through there

824
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:49,200
Speaker 1: and beat downtown quick like fast. They built the hill.

825
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:51,880
Speaker 1: You gotta go up the hill. Now. Back in the

826
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 1: day's Imperial with straight flat straight through. But what happened was,

827
00:43:57,200 --> 00:43:59,319
Speaker 1: you know, white people can go couldn't go up through

828
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:02,360
Speaker 1: the period and and be stopped at the light. It

829
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:06,200
Speaker 1: was just go through the end up. Now you can

830
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 1: go over the bridge and you just go over that ship.

831
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:10,759
Speaker 1: You see what I'm saying that then when you come

832
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:13,839
Speaker 1: down you're right there. But in that part that just

833
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 1: that section there, you couldn't you couldn't stop at the

834
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:21,959
Speaker 1: red light. I don't know her and everything else, Yeah,

835
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:25,799
Speaker 1: snatching your person at you at the car. So now

836
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:29,120
Speaker 1: that they got the Inglewood is fixed up, they're coming

837
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:34,240
Speaker 1: all the way back towards that part of L. A.

838
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:37,640
Speaker 1: Straight up I'm gonna tell you what, James, not to

839
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:39,279
Speaker 1: cut you off, but this is important. IM gonna let

840
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:41,399
Speaker 1: you get back and land on what you go right.

841
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 1: They are. It's almost like the community has been trashed

842
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:52,440
Speaker 1: on purpose for several years just to get the value down.

843
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:55,440
Speaker 1: Now they're moving everybody off the palm there and I

844
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 1: guarantee you in the next ten years twenty years, that

845
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:01,640
Speaker 1: area of what is going to be one of the

846
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 1: premier areas of l A as far as prod always

847
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:09,799
Speaker 1: want to get that off. Transformation as a motherfucker. Just

848
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:13,840
Speaker 1: like in Compton. They rebuilding Incompton, but they're changing their

849
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:19,800
Speaker 1: names in Compton, Dominga's Hills ship like that. So from

850
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:23,319
Speaker 1: from having the stadium, they're coming all the way from

851
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:28,759
Speaker 1: Inglewood all the way back towards Watch. So they want

852
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:32,880
Speaker 1: people to move out of there because see the white people,

853
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:36,719
Speaker 1: it was good for them when they was living there

854
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:40,280
Speaker 1: at that time. Now they moved out and they moving

855
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:44,600
Speaker 1: whereas earthquakes and all the other ship are it's so

856
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:48,239
Speaker 1: many miles away from their jobs. They loved that part

857
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:51,319
Speaker 1: of the town, so they rebuilding that town. They the

858
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:56,440
Speaker 1: train stations are totally different now, so they rebuilding and

859
00:45:56,480 --> 00:46:00,839
Speaker 1: they're moving out, moving people out, and this is where

860
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 1: everybody coming Victorville, Plump Deal Bardstow. Yeah. Yeah, we've been

861
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 1: put back this way. All l A is gonna be

862
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:16,319
Speaker 1: for that. They downtown l A trying to clean it up,

863
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:20,960
Speaker 1: because they have cleaned it up a crap. It's gonna

864
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 1: take him a minute because it is what it is.

865
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:26,719
Speaker 1: But especially scared Row, I don't know if they ever

866
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:29,279
Speaker 1: be able to fix that. But you know the thing

867
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:31,360
Speaker 1: about it is, I travel a lot, Bro, and what

868
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:34,279
Speaker 1: I can say, Bro, Listen, it's in every city, Bro,

869
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:39,239
Speaker 1: And in New Orleans, same thing, Kansas City, Miami, all

870
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 1: these these these places that we knew to be the hood,

871
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:44,960
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like it's places in Kansas City, Bro,

872
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:47,120
Speaker 1: where I know for a fact in the nineties it

873
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:49,480
Speaker 1: was trapped, you know what I mean, Like you know

874
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:51,439
Speaker 1: we had spots over there, you know what I mean?

875
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:54,000
Speaker 1: Like you you you know, even in my hood, the

876
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:56,399
Speaker 1: hood that I'm from. Now I go back, I see

877
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:59,440
Speaker 1: white people walking their dogs, you know, I see you

878
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 1: know different. I mean, it's almost like a whole new city. Um.

879
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:07,359
Speaker 1: Like it's a it's a it's a great thing. Like

880
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 1: I said, it's a great thing if the existing community

881
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:13,440
Speaker 1: can hold onto their properties, if they can, if they

882
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:16,480
Speaker 1: understand the bigger picture, right, Because I'm an investor, right,

883
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:18,840
Speaker 1: so I see a bunch of investors in the in

884
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:22,040
Speaker 1: the inner city, right. I started buying properties in the

885
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:25,160
Speaker 1: hood in the nineties. You know that I still have, right.

886
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:28,879
Speaker 1: So it wasn't hardly no white investors for real, for real,

887
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:31,399
Speaker 1: you know. But now you you see all these white

888
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:34,440
Speaker 1: boys working on their houses. And I tell the residents

889
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:36,880
Speaker 1: there have been there that own their ship, you know,

890
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:38,440
Speaker 1: Like I still got a lot of family there. And

891
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:40,920
Speaker 1: this is in every city. I say, man, hang on

892
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:43,600
Speaker 1: to your ship, Hang onto your ship, because the comps

893
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:46,000
Speaker 1: are gonna the value is gonna skyrocket, you know what

894
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:49,480
Speaker 1: I mean. Like, this is your investment right here. You've

895
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:52,040
Speaker 1: been here, you know, thirty years. Hell, you might as

896
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:54,680
Speaker 1: well state, you know, twenty years. Whatever it is, because

897
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:58,120
Speaker 1: them building up that infrastructure around you. That's a good thing.

898
00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:00,480
Speaker 1: So if the property taxes, they're gonna shoot up. But

899
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:04,279
Speaker 1: the property taxes is what's gonna keep that, you know,

900
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 1: the neighborhood together, it's gonna make it better, you know

901
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:09,279
Speaker 1: what I mean. So the schools all of that. So

902
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:12,960
Speaker 1: you know, I anybody listening. Man, if your people or

903
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:15,600
Speaker 1: even yourself, if you're in the hood and they're building

904
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:17,440
Speaker 1: it up and you keep getting them letters of them

905
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:19,719
Speaker 1: trying to give you pennies for your house, man, keep it.

906
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:23,040
Speaker 1: You know you've got something that's on. You've got something.

907
00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:28,640
Speaker 1: People are targeting court. Those opportunities to them are so

908
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:31,040
Speaker 1: lucrative that they feel like they gonna miss out something.

909
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:33,080
Speaker 1: You know, man came by and said, you know, let

910
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:35,400
Speaker 1: we're talking about the Midwestern man came by and said,

911
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:38,360
Speaker 1: he's gonna give me seventy thousand for the house. And

912
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:41,000
Speaker 1: they're taking that money and they they leaving. Right, I'm

913
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:43,239
Speaker 1: gonna tell you what happened to Cleveland. You even have

914
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:47,920
Speaker 1: instances of people stealing houses through nefarious means. Right, let

915
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:51,400
Speaker 1: me tell you what happened. So when my mom and

916
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:56,360
Speaker 1: my stepdad got the forest, right, he moved down to

917
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:59,279
Speaker 1: Florida and my mom moved to the hill. She moved

918
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:01,480
Speaker 1: to Bedford. You know, she started doing better for herself

919
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:03,200
Speaker 1: and she moved. First thing we do when we get

920
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:04,759
Speaker 1: some money, we want to move to the hills, to

921
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:07,279
Speaker 1: Knights or whatever. Right, So she moved to bed room.

922
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:10,000
Speaker 1: So she was renting the house out that we grew

923
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:13,320
Speaker 1: up into. My um. One of my uncles, he Evans,

924
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 1: she got married and when it bought his own house.

925
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:17,680
Speaker 1: So she added a sexon nate for a minute. But

926
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:20,160
Speaker 1: the people that toward the house up so bad. She

927
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:23,200
Speaker 1: was just really even though sex and Nate would always

928
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:25,640
Speaker 1: come back in and just fix everything. You know, this

929
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:27,520
Speaker 1: is the home she raised her kids in, so she

930
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:30,359
Speaker 1: was just really just kind of flustered. They don't put

931
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:32,680
Speaker 1: holes in the walls, you know, some of like all

932
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:36,000
Speaker 1: sex nates going about it. But sex made people man

933
00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:39,359
Speaker 1: for some reason. Man, if they don't own it, they

934
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:41,840
Speaker 1: would go tear your ship up, dude. I'm talking about

935
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:43,760
Speaker 1: to the point to where the people that even stole

936
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:46,839
Speaker 1: the copper pipes. You know what the Midwest, we got

937
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:50,040
Speaker 1: the cop plights that they and they just they stole

938
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:52,000
Speaker 1: the copper pipes. They was moving out, they stole the

939
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:55,520
Speaker 1: copper pipes. So my mom pretty much we owned the

940
00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:59,080
Speaker 1: house out right. I think they'd only paid for the house.

941
00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:02,440
Speaker 1: But the work that my stepfather had did through the

942
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:05,120
Speaker 1: years on that home, it wound up becoming one of

943
00:50:05,120 --> 00:50:07,640
Speaker 1: the premier homes in the neighborhood kind of because he

944
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:10,000
Speaker 1: you know, all that was in the Midwest. We had

945
00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:13,480
Speaker 1: to close then front porchs. Man, we had the the

946
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:20,640
Speaker 1: you know, we had to close in front ports to

947
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:24,080
Speaker 1: the back porchs with the screens and stuff. You know

948
00:50:24,080 --> 00:50:27,040
Speaker 1: how it was in the Midwest where you say you

949
00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:31,920
Speaker 1: don't want the skills to come in and stuff, bro everything.

950
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:36,240
Speaker 1: So man, when I tell you, man that, I asked

951
00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:38,080
Speaker 1: my mom when they just happened to be talking to it,

952
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:40,840
Speaker 1: like Mom, what's up with the house? Because I was

953
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:43,920
Speaker 1: thinking me because I took my what was really at

954
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:47,560
Speaker 1: me start the conversation. I called myself taking my kids

955
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:49,120
Speaker 1: back to the hood, like yeah, I'm gonna show y'all

956
00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:51,920
Speaker 1: where I grew up at y'all. Motherfucker spoil. We go

957
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:54,839
Speaker 1: over there, and I'm like, damn, first, I don't even

958
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:58,719
Speaker 1: recognize that every street because we've always had very big

959
00:50:58,719 --> 00:51:01,239
Speaker 1: houses over there. Like if it wasn't the five or

960
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:03,400
Speaker 1: six bedroom house, it was a dude plex. You know,

961
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:06,759
Speaker 1: the side house to sit side by side, get the

962
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:08,800
Speaker 1: side by side, you had the side by side of

963
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:10,800
Speaker 1: the top on top to where you had one level

964
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:13,040
Speaker 1: down here to where people lived. Then you have some

965
00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:15,879
Speaker 1: stairs and people would go upstairs and live right. So

966
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:19,840
Speaker 1: they took Cleveland Clinic and went to buying all that

967
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:22,680
Speaker 1: property around there and doctors moving there. So I'm looking

968
00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:27,160
Speaker 1: at my old house. I'm like, damn, this motherfucker is nice,

969
00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:29,799
Speaker 1: you feel. I mean the back area that had all

970
00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:33,000
Speaker 1: the bottles and bushes growing because between us in the

971
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:35,160
Speaker 1: next street, in the backyard, you would be able to

972
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:38,359
Speaker 1: see over my back fence. It was like an empty lot.

973
00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:41,040
Speaker 1: It's a bunch of empty lots, right, And the grass

974
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:43,400
Speaker 1: that grew so high. They never did that. Man, They've

975
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:46,200
Speaker 1: made that like a dog walking park now and everything.

976
00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:49,120
Speaker 1: And so I got asked my mom, like, Mom, what's happening.

977
00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:50,839
Speaker 1: You didn't tell me you fix that. She said, Honey,

978
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:53,960
Speaker 1: you haven't owned that house in ten years. You know

979
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:57,520
Speaker 1: what happened? Bro? They sent my mom a tax bill

980
00:51:57,840 --> 00:52:02,920
Speaker 1: for five hundred dollars. For five hundred dollars, Bro, they

981
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:06,320
Speaker 1: had they guess they didn't have Pops forward in the

982
00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:09,960
Speaker 1: address or whatever. Hers, But it wound up being a thing.

983
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:12,319
Speaker 1: He wounded up pretty. Cleveland Clinic wound up taking that

984
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:15,959
Speaker 1: house from my mom. I wound up building a six

985
00:52:16,040 --> 00:52:19,000
Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollar house, and you know, and where we

986
00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:21,359
Speaker 1: live out in California, that's a drop in the bucket now,

987
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:25,000
Speaker 1: especially in on the cities. You know, you gotta move

988
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:27,560
Speaker 1: way out to get something decent for six hundred thousand

989
00:52:27,640 --> 00:52:31,720
Speaker 1: right over there, you know, Kansas City, Cleveland, six hundred

990
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:35,600
Speaker 1: thousand dollar houses, the epitome of excellence. You feel what

991
00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:38,200
Speaker 1: I mean? You got a lake with fish in it

992
00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:42,160
Speaker 1: all kind of ship, So I see it. How did

993
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:44,799
Speaker 1: that happen? And so I started doing research because I said,

994
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:47,080
Speaker 1: this just can't be right. Come to find out, man,

995
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:51,600
Speaker 1: one of the first black theater owners in America on

996
00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:54,000
Speaker 1: the theater called it's Crumpy Dump, which is on A

997
00:52:54,120 --> 00:52:56,959
Speaker 1: hundred and five, which is a big area in which

998
00:52:57,000 --> 00:53:00,800
Speaker 1: the Cleveland Clinic occupies now, right, So I guess it

999
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:03,800
Speaker 1: started back in the eighties their takeover. They wanted to

1000
00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:08,080
Speaker 1: own everything that was around there. They messed around and

1001
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:10,440
Speaker 1: trumped up some charges on this cat that owned the

1002
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:13,759
Speaker 1: Scrumpy Dump. And the Scrumpy Dump was very important if

1003
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:15,880
Speaker 1: you google, is right. I employed everybody else to go

1004
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:18,160
Speaker 1: out there and google the Scrumpy Dump. That was the

1005
00:53:18,239 --> 00:53:21,200
Speaker 1: name of the place. Right. There were one dollar movies

1006
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:23,080
Speaker 1: and you can go for two for one on the Saturday,

1007
00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:26,080
Speaker 1: so her mom would take me there and my brothers

1008
00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:28,920
Speaker 1: because it was a cheap form of entertainment. But all

1009
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:32,600
Speaker 1: they showed was black exploitation movies. It was once X

1010
00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:34,960
Speaker 1: rated adult theater that he had converted over into a

1011
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:38,480
Speaker 1: regular movie theater. So when they had the premiere, do

1012
00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:41,080
Speaker 1: you remember, we wanted a period to where the black

1013
00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:44,279
Speaker 1: Hollywood was cracking. You know, they had super Fly, they

1014
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:48,160
Speaker 1: had all these black exploitation movies, right, So that was

1015
00:53:48,239 --> 00:53:51,600
Speaker 1: one of the like premiere stops when they had it

1016
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:54,080
Speaker 1: to where that was a big deal around O'Neil and

1017
00:53:54,120 --> 00:53:56,040
Speaker 1: then came up here and walked the red carpet, right.

1018
00:53:57,080 --> 00:53:59,720
Speaker 1: They wound up trumping some charges up on his brother

1019
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:02,800
Speaker 1: and he wounded up going to jail for two months.

1020
00:54:03,160 --> 00:54:05,439
Speaker 1: It was just enough time for them to dig enough

1021
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:08,120
Speaker 1: stuff to say, well he owed these taxes. They really

1022
00:54:08,120 --> 00:54:10,920
Speaker 1: had to dig and do some forensics, right, and they

1023
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:13,200
Speaker 1: wound up taking that movie theater from It was a

1024
00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:16,200
Speaker 1: landmark that that's the type of place that should still

1025
00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:19,000
Speaker 1: be there, that should have got re gentrified. It was

1026
00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:21,560
Speaker 1: right next to Woolworth. It was in the prime location

1027
00:54:22,040 --> 00:54:25,600
Speaker 1: that part of Cleveland now it's almost unaffordable. All the

1028
00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:27,920
Speaker 1: people that lived there before, I can't afford to live

1029
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:29,640
Speaker 1: there anymore. And I'm gonna tell you the one guy

1030
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:33,239
Speaker 1: that came up, one of my best friends. His grandfather

1031
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:35,480
Speaker 1: lived at the end of the street. And it was

1032
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:37,919
Speaker 1: so funny when I went. The last time I was there,

1033
00:54:38,520 --> 00:54:40,880
Speaker 1: you still had that little three bedroom house for the

1034
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:42,960
Speaker 1: midst of all these five and six and eight bed

1035
00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:47,840
Speaker 1: room houses. Right because he refused to sell. He report

1036
00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:49,879
Speaker 1: his bisil a couple of dudes. If you come around,

1037
00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:53,120
Speaker 1: He asked me about my ship again. Yeah, you give

1038
00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:55,400
Speaker 1: me the money I want for He told them he

1039
00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:58,319
Speaker 1: wanted four hundred thousand hours for that house. They kept

1040
00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:00,680
Speaker 1: trying to give him the forties. Well you missed. You

1041
00:55:00,719 --> 00:55:03,480
Speaker 1: only paid ten thousand four back in nineteen sixty. You come,

1042
00:55:03,560 --> 00:55:06,279
Speaker 1: he said, no, not no more. Y'all, don't do throw

1043
00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:08,000
Speaker 1: this ship around me. I can stay right well out,

1044
00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:10,399
Speaker 1: he said, it's a matter of fact, much I might

1045
00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:12,080
Speaker 1: just give me some money out of my house and

1046
00:55:12,120 --> 00:55:14,040
Speaker 1: build me one of these scar faces. That's what he

1047
00:55:14,080 --> 00:55:18,600
Speaker 1: called me, the scar face. So the cops can't support that.

1048
00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:20,640
Speaker 1: The cops are there, you know what I mean. So

1049
00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:22,840
Speaker 1: it don't matter what he paid for the cops of

1050
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:26,200
Speaker 1: the cops. So he held his ground right, and they

1051
00:55:26,239 --> 00:55:28,479
Speaker 1: wound up getting him. And so he had a plan.

1052
00:55:29,120 --> 00:55:31,560
Speaker 1: He wound up he wanted to go back to Mississippi anyway,

1053
00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:35,160
Speaker 1: because everybody in Ohio was reasoning from Mississippi Florida. Dog,

1054
00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:38,400
Speaker 1: I don't know what it is, right. So he wound

1055
00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:41,120
Speaker 1: up selling this house man and getting his money and

1056
00:55:41,160 --> 00:55:43,080
Speaker 1: getting on him. Right. But I look at that what

1057
00:55:43,120 --> 00:55:45,799
Speaker 1: they're doing just the same thing in Detroit right now.

1058
00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:48,600
Speaker 1: They were doing so much killing them Detroit at one time, bro,

1059
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:52,879
Speaker 1: because you know, Cleveland Detroit kind of sister cities. It's

1060
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:55,680
Speaker 1: so close, because we should drifted to go by closed

1061
00:55:55,680 --> 00:55:57,759
Speaker 1: because Detroit seemed like they always got stuff that we

1062
00:55:57,800 --> 00:55:59,800
Speaker 1: didn't get. So we had a little bit of money,

1063
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:02,560
Speaker 1: we will take that couple hour with driving Detroit or

1064
00:56:02,600 --> 00:56:06,719
Speaker 1: either go to Flint right, go buy clothes. But they

1065
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:09,120
Speaker 1: got the same thing in Detroit, I believe in right

1066
00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:11,719
Speaker 1: now in Detroit, Michigan, certain parts like an eight mile

1067
00:56:11,800 --> 00:56:14,759
Speaker 1: and all that you can go by eight very Remmberry

1068
00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:19,920
Speaker 1: Miles James three or four thousand dollars, damn. But you

1069
00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:22,480
Speaker 1: know what, you know what I think that should happen. Bro.

1070
00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:24,960
Speaker 1: And this may sound fucked up, but I don't mean

1071
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:29,480
Speaker 1: it with the with the racist connotation. Um, but I

1072
00:56:29,520 --> 00:56:32,200
Speaker 1: think that people in the hood, like the gentleman that

1073
00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:35,200
Speaker 1: you just talked about back home, I think if if

1074
00:56:35,239 --> 00:56:38,640
Speaker 1: they are gonna sell, sell to a black investor, or

1075
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:40,880
Speaker 1: sell to a black family. You know what I'm saying.

1076
00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:44,360
Speaker 1: I think that that that that should be the course

1077
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:48,120
Speaker 1: of action because again that you know that that that's

1078
00:56:48,160 --> 00:56:50,920
Speaker 1: what keeps us in power, you know what I mean, economically,

1079
00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:54,000
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, because sell it to another investor,

1080
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:56,480
Speaker 1: because again there are black investors that are doing the

1081
00:56:56,520 --> 00:56:58,719
Speaker 1: same thing that the white investors doing. They're coming in

1082
00:56:58,840 --> 00:57:01,360
Speaker 1: you know. You know, I'm an investor. So yeah, if

1083
00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:03,520
Speaker 1: I could get some ship cheap before a good price,

1084
00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:05,399
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get it too. But you know, if you're

1085
00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:08,120
Speaker 1: gonna do that, dump it to somebody, you know, dump

1086
00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:10,520
Speaker 1: it to a black person. I would have loved to

1087
00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:13,040
Speaker 1: have that opportunity to get the house that I was

1088
00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:16,920
Speaker 1: raised in to actually do what they with the Cleveland

1089
00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:21,000
Speaker 1: Clinic wound up feloniously doing. Yeah, I would have loved

1090
00:57:21,040 --> 00:57:23,240
Speaker 1: for me to have that opportunity to buy that home

1091
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:26,560
Speaker 1: as a future investor for my children. Because I'm gonna

1092
00:57:26,560 --> 00:57:29,280
Speaker 1: tell you one of the best things I did maybe

1093
00:57:29,320 --> 00:57:33,080
Speaker 1: six years ago is I bought a little piece of

1094
00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:37,880
Speaker 1: land and ravanelile that's about an acre, like a little

1095
00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:40,240
Speaker 1: bit of under an acre, right, and it is just

1096
00:57:40,280 --> 00:57:42,480
Speaker 1: sitting there. May making me no money, but you know what,

1097
00:57:42,520 --> 00:57:45,760
Speaker 1: I'm starting to see my cousin, one of my cousins,

1098
00:57:45,760 --> 00:57:47,560
Speaker 1: they just came and brought his land from him. Well,

1099
00:57:47,560 --> 00:57:50,280
Speaker 1: actually he's on the land lease with him. Yeah, the

1100
00:57:51,760 --> 00:57:53,920
Speaker 1: Dollar Generals that they had back in the Midwest, right,

1101
00:57:54,600 --> 00:57:57,000
Speaker 1: they're only a hundred year land lease with him to

1102
00:57:57,040 --> 00:57:59,880
Speaker 1: where they're paying him I think forty five hundred a month.

1103
00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:02,200
Speaker 1: That goes up every five years by two and a

1104
00:58:02,240 --> 00:58:05,000
Speaker 1: half a cent or something like that. And I would say,

1105
00:58:05,040 --> 00:58:07,360
Speaker 1: if you do have land back there doing land leash,

1106
00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:10,360
Speaker 1: don't never sell your land, all right, because the thing

1107
00:58:10,480 --> 00:58:14,000
Speaker 1: about it, let's say that Dollar General gonna make it

1108
00:58:14,040 --> 00:58:17,000
Speaker 1: in the area and they decided up and move fifteen

1109
00:58:17,080 --> 00:58:19,640
Speaker 1: years from now. Now he got a building and his

1110
00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:22,080
Speaker 1: land as he is, that he could rent out or

1111
00:58:22,160 --> 00:58:24,080
Speaker 1: do anything or open up his own business if he

1112
00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:27,480
Speaker 1: wanted to. But I'm really right now. I'm on a

1113
00:58:27,640 --> 00:58:30,000
Speaker 1: tick right now. You know, just think about all this

1114
00:58:30,080 --> 00:58:33,520
Speaker 1: stuff that we're really I want to get together with

1115
00:58:33,600 --> 00:58:36,640
Speaker 1: a group of like minded brothers and the next year

1116
00:58:36,800 --> 00:58:40,720
Speaker 1: and go to to the Detroit, Michigan's, the Cleveland, Ohios

1117
00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:43,320
Speaker 1: and just start going to go buy six seven house

1118
00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:46,760
Speaker 1: at a time. They're that cheap, Yeah, for sure, especially

1119
00:58:46,840 --> 00:58:49,600
Speaker 1: in in in uh in Detroit, I mean all the

1120
00:58:49,720 --> 00:58:53,000
Speaker 1: Midwestern cities that you started an investment group. Yeah, I

1121
00:58:53,120 --> 00:58:55,280
Speaker 1: want to start an investment group and tell people, Look,

1122
00:58:55,840 --> 00:58:57,880
Speaker 1: it's not gonna take much, bro, I'm talking about us

1123
00:58:57,920 --> 00:59:01,840
Speaker 1: coming in in some cases the piece broke. You know,

1124
00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:04,720
Speaker 1: you don't have to start off big man. Listen. That's

1125
00:59:04,720 --> 00:59:07,480
Speaker 1: how I built my portfolio. I tell people all the time, bro,

1126
00:59:07,680 --> 00:59:10,080
Speaker 1: to be transparent. You know. I had music money in

1127
00:59:10,120 --> 00:59:13,040
Speaker 1: the nineties. I had hustle money as well. And the

1128
00:59:13,120 --> 00:59:15,240
Speaker 1: first piece of property I bought in Kansas City, I

1129
00:59:15,320 --> 00:59:18,160
Speaker 1: pay seventeen five for. It was a three bear room,

1130
00:59:18,360 --> 00:59:21,600
Speaker 1: one bear, three bed room, one bathroom house I pay

1131
00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:25,160
Speaker 1: seventeen five for. I think I put another maybe fifteen

1132
00:59:25,240 --> 00:59:28,440
Speaker 1: into it. I remember standing now, I'm like nineteen years old.

1133
00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:31,880
Speaker 1: I remember standing in front of it, and I'm thinking, jam, Okay,

1134
00:59:31,920 --> 00:59:34,760
Speaker 1: I'm into this house. You know, i'most thirty five racks

1135
00:59:35,200 --> 00:59:37,000
Speaker 1: and I'm renting it out for six hundred a month,

1136
00:59:37,120 --> 00:59:39,640
Speaker 1: and I'm like ship, you know, like I'm gonna get

1137
00:59:39,720 --> 00:59:44,160
Speaker 1: my money back, right. So you know, the game that

1138
00:59:44,280 --> 00:59:47,680
Speaker 1: I was in at that time was about volume, you know.

1139
00:59:48,040 --> 00:59:51,000
Speaker 1: So it dawned on me. It was like ship, Okay,

1140
00:59:51,120 --> 00:59:54,120
Speaker 1: if I get tentities, you know what I'm saying. Then

1141
00:59:54,440 --> 00:59:57,480
Speaker 1: now as six to eight hundred a month that that

1142
00:59:57,600 --> 01:00:00,600
Speaker 1: I could potentially get, it turns into six eight thousand

1143
01:00:00,720 --> 01:00:03,360
Speaker 1: because I just I didn't know nothing about equity. I

1144
01:00:03,440 --> 01:00:05,880
Speaker 1: didn't know nothing about leveraging or any of that. Ship.

1145
01:00:06,360 --> 01:00:09,160
Speaker 1: But to your point, man, there was properties that I

1146
01:00:09,240 --> 01:00:12,800
Speaker 1: bought in Kansas City for five thousand because especially when

1147
01:00:12,800 --> 01:00:18,040
Speaker 1: you're talking cash, because what happens is this is what

1148
01:00:18,160 --> 01:00:19,880
Speaker 1: I would do. This is what I would do, James,

1149
01:00:20,160 --> 01:00:23,040
Speaker 1: because I had cash, right, so they would be asking

1150
01:00:23,120 --> 01:00:26,240
Speaker 1: twenty thousand dollars. So I would have my contractor go

1151
01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:28,800
Speaker 1: to the house. Sometimes he even had to break in

1152
01:00:28,840 --> 01:00:31,160
Speaker 1: the house, right, go and see that it was an

1153
01:00:31,280 --> 01:00:34,520
Speaker 1: abandoned house. Go see give me a scope of work.

1154
01:00:34,880 --> 01:00:36,920
Speaker 1: So that way, I would know how much I had

1155
01:00:36,960 --> 01:00:39,040
Speaker 1: to put into it, so I would before I even

1156
01:00:39,080 --> 01:00:41,400
Speaker 1: made an offer, I would know what the work is

1157
01:00:41,760 --> 01:00:43,840
Speaker 1: and what it could be worth, what the cops were

1158
01:00:43,880 --> 01:00:46,880
Speaker 1: in the area, so I would When you got cash,

1159
01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:48,880
Speaker 1: you can play hardball. So they would be like twenty

1160
01:00:48,920 --> 01:00:51,160
Speaker 1: thousand dollars. I would say, Man, I give y'all six

1161
01:00:51,200 --> 01:00:53,760
Speaker 1: thousand dollars, five thousand dollars in our clothes in in

1162
01:00:54,080 --> 01:00:56,280
Speaker 1: in forty eight hours, you know what I mean, And

1163
01:00:56,400 --> 01:00:59,040
Speaker 1: they would take it. So when you have those investment groups,

1164
01:00:59,080 --> 01:01:01,160
Speaker 1: which I've been a part of one before, when you

1165
01:01:01,240 --> 01:01:04,040
Speaker 1: pull your cash together, you're able to make those moves

1166
01:01:04,200 --> 01:01:05,640
Speaker 1: like that, you know what I'm saying, Because when you

1167
01:01:05,720 --> 01:01:08,320
Speaker 1: got the cash on debt and you could play hardball,

1168
01:01:08,480 --> 01:01:10,520
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And some of it is,

1169
01:01:10,600 --> 01:01:12,720
Speaker 1: you know, sometimes you can get into it and flip,

1170
01:01:13,080 --> 01:01:15,760
Speaker 1: but you know, there's also those long plays like what

1171
01:01:16,000 --> 01:01:18,400
Speaker 1: Still was saying, that's that's good game, what you just said.

1172
01:01:18,440 --> 01:01:21,480
Speaker 1: If they didn't catch it, we're buying land and leasing

1173
01:01:21,520 --> 01:01:23,880
Speaker 1: your land out, that's a good game, right for sure,

1174
01:01:24,040 --> 01:01:26,600
Speaker 1: and stuff like this. Let me show you core, because

1175
01:01:26,640 --> 01:01:29,120
Speaker 1: they're not making land anymore. They're not making anymore, So

1176
01:01:29,240 --> 01:01:31,840
Speaker 1: you're not making the more land if you can get it.

1177
01:01:31,960 --> 01:01:35,040
Speaker 1: Even stuff like this, can you guys see this right here? Yeah,

1178
01:01:35,120 --> 01:01:38,280
Speaker 1: for sure, look at this. Let me say this, Let

1179
01:01:38,360 --> 01:01:41,000
Speaker 1: me say this real quick to anybody watching. But you

1180
01:01:41,160 --> 01:01:44,600
Speaker 1: have to be mindful. Listen, it looks cheap, right, but

1181
01:01:44,760 --> 01:01:47,200
Speaker 1: you still have to have the business model. You got

1182
01:01:47,320 --> 01:01:51,240
Speaker 1: to understand your numbers because it could be for hundred dollars.

1183
01:01:51,560 --> 01:01:53,240
Speaker 1: But then when you get to see the scope of

1184
01:01:53,280 --> 01:01:55,560
Speaker 1: the work, you want to be careful because it could

1185
01:01:55,600 --> 01:01:59,120
Speaker 1: work around and need sixty dollars worth to work and

1186
01:01:59,240 --> 01:02:01,880
Speaker 1: it only comp out for fifty. So so you still

1187
01:02:01,960 --> 01:02:03,920
Speaker 1: got to do your homework on it. And you have

1188
01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:05,840
Speaker 1: to do your homework. And see I'm showing these and

1189
01:02:06,120 --> 01:02:08,400
Speaker 1: these are more for like even if you've got a

1190
01:02:08,480 --> 01:02:12,120
Speaker 1: new family, right, a young family, Yeah, it's not bad.

1191
01:02:12,200 --> 01:02:13,640
Speaker 1: Like look at this point right here, This is ten

1192
01:02:13,720 --> 01:02:17,440
Speaker 1: thous dollars right here, right right, this house right in

1193
01:02:17,480 --> 01:02:20,880
Speaker 1: this particular home is something Wayne County. Right, it's a

1194
01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:24,080
Speaker 1: three bed room and it needs a lot of work.

1195
01:02:24,160 --> 01:02:27,520
Speaker 1: You can see the um a lot of um fourage

1196
01:02:27,520 --> 01:02:30,400
Speaker 1: outside and stuff right there, even stuff like that like

1197
01:02:30,520 --> 01:02:33,640
Speaker 1: court is exactly right. You don't know if the fourwags.

1198
01:02:33,720 --> 01:02:37,160
Speaker 1: Sometimes it's growing into the pipes in the house. Yeah,

1199
01:02:37,480 --> 01:02:39,880
Speaker 1: you gotta get your cop. You gotta get the cops

1200
01:02:39,960 --> 01:02:43,160
Speaker 1: like when you see yeah. So so that way you

1201
01:02:43,360 --> 01:02:45,800
Speaker 1: know what you have to spend and what you need,

1202
01:02:45,840 --> 01:02:48,200
Speaker 1: you know. So if you know that, okay, the houses

1203
01:02:48,320 --> 01:02:51,960
Speaker 1: that this square footage in this neighborhood are praising out

1204
01:02:52,120 --> 01:02:55,440
Speaker 1: when they're finished for eighty tho dollars, So I know

1205
01:02:55,760 --> 01:02:57,959
Speaker 1: I need it. If I'm a flip it or whatever

1206
01:02:58,000 --> 01:03:00,120
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do, I know I need to be no

1207
01:03:00,280 --> 01:03:03,600
Speaker 1: more than fifty in his house that's purchased and getting it,

1208
01:03:04,080 --> 01:03:06,560
Speaker 1: you know, renovated. So that's how you gotta look at it,

1209
01:03:06,680 --> 01:03:09,000
Speaker 1: you know, because you want to make a profit and

1210
01:03:09,360 --> 01:03:13,680
Speaker 1: see what I'm proposing. Sometimes court like you're right up

1211
01:03:13,880 --> 01:03:16,600
Speaker 1: exact undercent right. You may go somewhere in the house

1212
01:03:16,680 --> 01:03:19,400
Speaker 1: may require a hundred thousand dollars, hundred thousand dollars worth

1213
01:03:19,440 --> 01:03:24,800
Speaker 1: of working there, but it may be the Compston area

1214
01:03:24,880 --> 01:03:28,160
Speaker 1: maybe only sixties and seventy, right, So you gotta think

1215
01:03:28,200 --> 01:03:30,680
Speaker 1: about it like this. Sometimes it's cheaper for you to

1216
01:03:30,760 --> 01:03:34,240
Speaker 1: go there by those three houses. Knock them all down.

1217
01:03:35,440 --> 01:03:37,320
Speaker 1: Once you go. You gotta really do what that says.

1218
01:03:37,320 --> 01:03:39,040
Speaker 1: You gotta have somebody want you to know what they're

1219
01:03:39,040 --> 01:03:41,400
Speaker 1: doing to right. Luckily I got the umple Us in

1220
01:03:41,480 --> 01:03:43,320
Speaker 1: construction and he just didn't want to told me don't

1221
01:03:43,320 --> 01:03:44,760
Speaker 1: go because I was going to buy this little too

1222
01:03:44,800 --> 01:03:46,320
Speaker 1: big of the house and it's just been sitting there

1223
01:03:46,320 --> 01:03:48,960
Speaker 1: for the loans that looked good and outside. My um

1224
01:03:49,120 --> 01:03:51,080
Speaker 1: has been building houses for the last sixty years, he

1225
01:03:51,160 --> 01:03:53,840
Speaker 1: told me. He said, son, he said, that's no starter

1226
01:03:54,040 --> 01:03:55,640
Speaker 1: right there. He said, you buy that house is gonna

1227
01:03:55,640 --> 01:03:57,840
Speaker 1: be worth more. Trouble, He said that the thing what

1228
01:03:58,000 --> 01:04:02,560
Speaker 1: happened was yea, the water python in front of the house. Yeah,

1229
01:04:02,760 --> 01:04:10,000
Speaker 1: the main line and yeah, you said by the time

1230
01:04:10,120 --> 01:04:12,520
Speaker 1: you you know what he told me, shame just what

1231
01:04:12,640 --> 01:04:15,160
Speaker 1: you said. He said that it's caught up by the

1232
01:04:15,240 --> 01:04:17,360
Speaker 1: sewer or something and it would literally cost about two

1233
01:04:17,440 --> 01:04:20,920
Speaker 1: hundred Because now you want these people property, you have

1234
01:04:21,040 --> 01:04:25,000
Speaker 1: to go dig a property next door. And I've had

1235
01:04:25,040 --> 01:04:26,880
Speaker 1: it done a couple of times, and usually what it

1236
01:04:26,960 --> 01:04:29,760
Speaker 1: requires as a bobcat because they gotta dig up the

1237
01:04:29,880 --> 01:04:33,000
Speaker 1: yard from the house to the curve. Right. So I

1238
01:04:33,040 --> 01:04:35,720
Speaker 1: always tell people, rude, rude. Anybody that want to be

1239
01:04:35,840 --> 01:04:39,840
Speaker 1: investor or whatever. So I have a rule, Right, there's

1240
01:04:39,880 --> 01:04:42,320
Speaker 1: only one big thing that I'm going to fix in

1241
01:04:42,360 --> 01:04:44,960
Speaker 1: the house. Right, So if I go, you want to

1242
01:04:45,040 --> 01:04:48,560
Speaker 1: check the h v a C, the foundation, the main line,

1243
01:04:48,840 --> 01:04:51,680
Speaker 1: and the roof. So you pick your battle. You don't

1244
01:04:51,720 --> 01:04:53,760
Speaker 1: want to go into a house and you got to

1245
01:04:53,840 --> 01:04:56,880
Speaker 1: do a rough h v a C the foundation note

1246
01:04:58,160 --> 01:05:00,680
Speaker 1: you know me, Yeah, you pick one. So if you

1247
01:05:00,800 --> 01:05:03,280
Speaker 1: go into a house and it's like damn, okay, the

1248
01:05:03,400 --> 01:05:05,960
Speaker 1: whole inside needs to be done and it only needs

1249
01:05:06,000 --> 01:05:08,480
Speaker 1: a roof, Okay, cool if the numbers make sense. But

1250
01:05:09,080 --> 01:05:11,200
Speaker 1: if you go into a house and it's like damn,

1251
01:05:11,280 --> 01:05:14,200
Speaker 1: the foundation leaning, the house leaning, it needs h v

1252
01:05:14,320 --> 01:05:17,400
Speaker 1: a C, it needs a roof, that's too much. It's

1253
01:05:17,440 --> 01:05:19,400
Speaker 1: better off if you can get that plan for cheat

1254
01:05:20,200 --> 01:05:22,680
Speaker 1: better making an offering, getting a knock down and just

1255
01:05:22,800 --> 01:05:25,440
Speaker 1: having the lean and just rebuilding all over again. Many

1256
01:05:25,720 --> 01:05:27,960
Speaker 1: unless you do the work yourself. Unless you do the

1257
01:05:28,040 --> 01:05:31,320
Speaker 1: work yourself, then that's circumvinced. You know that that's fine

1258
01:05:31,360 --> 01:05:33,440
Speaker 1: whatever you choose to do. But you know that's kind

1259
01:05:33,480 --> 01:05:36,200
Speaker 1: of a ruler thumb because yeah, you'll get in over

1260
01:05:36,240 --> 01:05:38,000
Speaker 1: your head to be a money pit wouldn't you be

1261
01:05:38,120 --> 01:05:40,880
Speaker 1: working you know, so andy of the problem if if

1262
01:05:40,960 --> 01:05:43,640
Speaker 1: all the houses are nice, and then you buy this

1263
01:05:43,840 --> 01:05:47,200
Speaker 1: house for thirty grand, you gotta do all the upgrades

1264
01:05:47,320 --> 01:05:50,280
Speaker 1: on this house to get the comps that you won't.

1265
01:05:51,000 --> 01:05:55,280
Speaker 1: Yeah you bring the value, Yeah you bring yeah, Yeah,

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01:05:55,320 --> 01:05:57,040
Speaker 1: which is the way you want to do it, because

1267
01:05:57,120 --> 01:05:59,600
Speaker 1: because when you buy a house already done and ready

1268
01:05:59,640 --> 01:06:01,840
Speaker 1: to go, you know, you're being marked up on that.

1269
01:06:02,200 --> 01:06:04,040
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. The person is buying that

1270
01:06:04,120 --> 01:06:06,479
Speaker 1: you buy it from, They get the value. You're coming

1271
01:06:06,560 --> 01:06:08,959
Speaker 1: in just you know, at market price, and you gotta

1272
01:06:09,320 --> 01:06:12,000
Speaker 1: you know, pay into the value. Start paying down that principle,

1273
01:06:12,320 --> 01:06:14,560
Speaker 1: and hopefully the cops go the other way, they go up,

1274
01:06:14,880 --> 01:06:17,400
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So you know, I want

1275
01:06:17,480 --> 01:06:20,280
Speaker 1: to Um, you know who does a pretty nice show

1276
01:06:20,360 --> 01:06:24,000
Speaker 1: on this same subject, man as Envy. They have an

1277
01:06:24,160 --> 01:06:26,600
Speaker 1: excellent financial show. It's a pretty big show too, and

1278
01:06:26,880 --> 01:06:28,560
Speaker 1: they get a lot of ears to a shout off

1279
01:06:28,600 --> 01:06:32,640
Speaker 1: to the Homy d J Envy. But he's into that.

1280
01:06:33,320 --> 01:06:35,680
Speaker 1: I think him and Angeler he had actually partnered up

1281
01:06:35,680 --> 01:06:38,720
Speaker 1: and he was going off to Detroit getting um, you know,

1282
01:06:38,880 --> 01:06:42,320
Speaker 1: getting different houses and stuff. But yeah, you want to

1283
01:06:42,400 --> 01:06:44,120
Speaker 1: get to this. And I'm telling you a fellas that

1284
01:06:44,240 --> 01:06:45,760
Speaker 1: you don't have to be a ball. You could be

1285
01:06:45,840 --> 01:06:48,680
Speaker 1: a regular working class dude. It's just a matter you're

1286
01:06:48,720 --> 01:06:52,200
Speaker 1: getting with like minded people. And that's very important, getting

1287
01:06:52,240 --> 01:06:54,520
Speaker 1: with like minded people and get into what you can afford,

1288
01:06:54,560 --> 01:06:56,800
Speaker 1: because it's not about going to everybody can go by

1289
01:06:56,880 --> 01:06:58,800
Speaker 1: six and seven. At the same time, you may have

1290
01:06:58,880 --> 01:07:01,000
Speaker 1: to start off one at a time. I started out

1291
01:07:01,040 --> 01:07:03,640
Speaker 1: with one. I started out with one and and the

1292
01:07:03,760 --> 01:07:06,920
Speaker 1: thing is, there's so many other ways to acquire property too,

1293
01:07:07,080 --> 01:07:10,000
Speaker 1: So sometimes it ain't just having the money. Sometimes it's

1294
01:07:10,080 --> 01:07:12,080
Speaker 1: all you can. You can get it and have the

1295
01:07:12,320 --> 01:07:15,320
Speaker 1: you can do owner financing, you can do what they

1296
01:07:15,560 --> 01:07:18,439
Speaker 1: call with the owner carry paper. It's it's so many

1297
01:07:18,520 --> 01:07:21,000
Speaker 1: different ways that you can acquire property if that's what

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01:07:21,120 --> 01:07:23,480
Speaker 1: you want to do. They got hard money loans. You

1299
01:07:23,600 --> 01:07:27,880
Speaker 1: just have to be very structured and and and together

1300
01:07:28,440 --> 01:07:31,240
Speaker 1: um um. You gotta be prepared for the hard money

1301
01:07:31,280 --> 01:07:34,440
Speaker 1: loans because again that does a higher interest rate and

1302
01:07:34,560 --> 01:07:36,760
Speaker 1: you have a certain amount of time to you know,

1303
01:07:36,920 --> 01:07:38,720
Speaker 1: you you don't want to be carrying a high that

1304
01:07:38,840 --> 01:07:41,160
Speaker 1: high mortgage while you're getting it done because the hard

1305
01:07:41,240 --> 01:07:43,560
Speaker 1: money loan. They will provide you with the money to

1306
01:07:43,640 --> 01:07:46,120
Speaker 1: purchase the house, and they give you draws to rehab

1307
01:07:46,240 --> 01:07:53,560
Speaker 1: the house as well. Um so right, Um, if you

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01:07:53,720 --> 01:07:55,760
Speaker 1: have enough homes, like let's say, once you get to

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01:07:55,840 --> 01:07:58,120
Speaker 1: your third or fourth homes, by that point, we have

1310
01:07:58,200 --> 01:08:00,560
Speaker 1: a lot of equity fuil up the true If you

1311
01:08:00,640 --> 01:08:02,680
Speaker 1: have a lot of equity built up in your four homes,

1312
01:08:02,720 --> 01:08:06,640
Speaker 1: you can walk pretty much in any bank. Sure, yeah, yeah,

1313
01:08:06,800 --> 01:08:09,240
Speaker 1: because you have now, because you have collateral. You know

1314
01:08:09,280 --> 01:08:12,080
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. You have collateral and see every all

1315
01:08:12,160 --> 01:08:15,080
Speaker 1: the information that I'm that I'm saying now bro is listen.

1316
01:08:15,160 --> 01:08:18,160
Speaker 1: I'm not formally educated. I graduated from high school, so

1317
01:08:18,320 --> 01:08:21,519
Speaker 1: all my experience comes from trialing there. I made every mistake,

1318
01:08:21,720 --> 01:08:26,600
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So so, so what I

1319
01:08:26,640 --> 01:08:29,720
Speaker 1: would tell people is to build your company credit. You're like,

1320
01:08:29,800 --> 01:08:31,840
Speaker 1: when I first started, I had all them properties in

1321
01:08:31,920 --> 01:08:34,519
Speaker 1: my name, you know, which was a mistake. I didn't

1322
01:08:34,560 --> 01:08:38,120
Speaker 1: know to create a corporation. I didn't know that, right,

1323
01:08:38,479 --> 01:08:40,880
Speaker 1: So um I would Yeah, if you got three four

1324
01:08:40,920 --> 01:08:43,080
Speaker 1: properties free and clear, man, you're good. You know, you

1325
01:08:43,200 --> 01:08:46,120
Speaker 1: go in, you get a line of credit, you know,

1326
01:08:46,200 --> 01:08:48,680
Speaker 1: a home equity line of credit. But you gotta be

1327
01:08:48,800 --> 01:08:51,040
Speaker 1: responsible with it, you know what I'm saying. And then

1328
01:08:51,120 --> 01:08:53,000
Speaker 1: you get it in your company name. You build your

1329
01:08:53,040 --> 01:08:56,160
Speaker 1: company credit and then you repeat, you know, you do that,

1330
01:08:56,240 --> 01:08:58,680
Speaker 1: you use that, you leverage those properties, because that's what,

1331
01:08:58,840 --> 01:09:00,960
Speaker 1: in essence, what I end doing. You know, by the

1332
01:09:01,040 --> 01:09:03,040
Speaker 1: time I got to twelve properties, I had them free

1333
01:09:03,080 --> 01:09:06,040
Speaker 1: and clear and that I knew nothing about credit. I

1334
01:09:06,120 --> 01:09:08,240
Speaker 1: knew nothing about equity. I knew nothing about none of that.

1335
01:09:08,360 --> 01:09:10,880
Speaker 1: It was a lady at at a credit union. That's

1336
01:09:10,920 --> 01:09:15,240
Speaker 1: the other game too. So when you're an investor, especially minority,

1337
01:09:16,520 --> 01:09:21,080
Speaker 1: start banking with credit unions, those smaller banks, especially if

1338
01:09:21,080 --> 01:09:23,599
Speaker 1: you're a black woman. Believe it or not, they always

1339
01:09:23,640 --> 01:09:26,960
Speaker 1: have programs that are geared towards minority businesses. You know

1340
01:09:27,080 --> 01:09:29,400
Speaker 1: where they have to you know, they want to give

1341
01:09:29,439 --> 01:09:31,360
Speaker 1: you money. They want to give you credit cards and

1342
01:09:31,439 --> 01:09:34,400
Speaker 1: credit especially if you have collateral. So you know, do

1343
01:09:34,560 --> 01:09:38,040
Speaker 1: your banking with smaller banks and you get a lower

1344
01:09:38,160 --> 01:09:42,720
Speaker 1: interest rate. Blood lower interest rate. Absolutely, so you know,

1345
01:09:42,840 --> 01:09:44,720
Speaker 1: once you can get your hand on one or two,

1346
01:09:45,160 --> 01:09:47,160
Speaker 1: you know, like I say, it's all in what your

1347
01:09:47,200 --> 01:09:49,160
Speaker 1: goals are. If you want to flip them, if you

1348
01:09:49,240 --> 01:09:53,240
Speaker 1: want to you know for residual income. You know it's

1349
01:09:53,320 --> 01:09:55,920
Speaker 1: it's a pretty good business. It's got his ups and downs,

1350
01:09:56,040 --> 01:09:59,880
Speaker 1: but you know you can win. Before we get out

1351
01:09:59,880 --> 01:10:06,400
Speaker 1: of yet, we have to share this information with other people.

1352
01:10:06,479 --> 01:10:08,439
Speaker 1: I'm very big about give you know how I am

1353
01:10:08,600 --> 01:10:11,280
Speaker 1: court anybody that's gonna listen, I'm gonna give them good information.

1354
01:10:11,920 --> 01:10:14,160
Speaker 1: That was one of the things we have to get out,

1355
01:10:14,240 --> 01:10:18,080
Speaker 1: the habit of black people of doing everything under our name.

1356
01:10:18,600 --> 01:10:20,519
Speaker 1: What was the first thing I had you go do, James,

1357
01:10:20,560 --> 01:10:24,360
Speaker 1: when we got together, Get you a LLC. This is

1358
01:10:24,400 --> 01:10:26,680
Speaker 1: that simple. It don't cost that much. Don't fall for

1359
01:10:26,760 --> 01:10:29,840
Speaker 1: these things online. What they say for no where you

1360
01:10:29,880 --> 01:10:31,760
Speaker 1: can go get your E I N. Number. It takes

1361
01:10:31,840 --> 01:10:35,920
Speaker 1: all the five minutes. You'll get that for three. Yeah,

1362
01:10:36,760 --> 01:10:39,080
Speaker 1: don't get your stuff together because if stuff is not

1363
01:10:39,200 --> 01:10:41,400
Speaker 1: under your name, and then what this does right here,

1364
01:10:42,640 --> 01:10:45,400
Speaker 1: Let's say you do start a mass in property, you

1365
01:10:45,479 --> 01:10:48,200
Speaker 1: start having some troubles in your life. If everything is

1366
01:10:48,280 --> 01:10:50,400
Speaker 1: under your name, they can go after your properties and everything.

1367
01:10:50,560 --> 01:10:53,840
Speaker 1: But I can own fifty I can own fifty hours

1368
01:10:54,000 --> 01:10:56,880
Speaker 1: around here, and if it's something of my corporation, man,

1369
01:10:56,920 --> 01:10:59,720
Speaker 1: I ain't got it. They can't get they can they

1370
01:10:59,760 --> 01:11:05,320
Speaker 1: can't don't get nothing. So made every mistake, Bro, I've

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01:11:05,360 --> 01:11:07,439
Speaker 1: made every mistake. So I've been through that too, and

1372
01:11:07,520 --> 01:11:10,200
Speaker 1: that is true. Yeah, because I learned one time when

1373
01:11:10,240 --> 01:11:12,040
Speaker 1: I got here with the text love you. One time

1374
01:11:13,000 --> 01:11:15,560
Speaker 1: I had everything up under Norman Steel. They came and

1375
01:11:15,680 --> 01:11:20,240
Speaker 1: just it was like never again. I learned. I said,

1376
01:11:20,320 --> 01:11:22,600
Speaker 1: you know what, this won't happen to me again. I

1377
01:11:22,720 --> 01:11:24,639
Speaker 1: stay on the I R S is uh a little

1378
01:11:24,760 --> 01:11:28,760
Speaker 1: little you know, hit list. Man. I stayed with them. Hey,

1379
01:11:28,840 --> 01:11:31,920
Speaker 1: I stayed with them, them green certified letters coming. You

1380
01:11:32,000 --> 01:11:35,400
Speaker 1: know what I mean? All I do is say, man,

1381
01:11:35,439 --> 01:11:37,719
Speaker 1: they add that to the U to the pay repay

1382
01:11:37,800 --> 01:11:39,840
Speaker 1: back and planing. I got before and I had this

1383
01:11:39,960 --> 01:11:43,080
Speaker 1: on everything. But the thing it was, man. One thing

1384
01:11:43,200 --> 01:11:45,840
Speaker 1: we have to realize, man, is that there's a wealth

1385
01:11:45,920 --> 01:11:48,400
Speaker 1: of information out there. The Internet has made all of

1386
01:11:48,479 --> 01:11:51,920
Speaker 1: this information accessible to the common man. What do your

1387
01:11:51,960 --> 01:11:54,519
Speaker 1: research like? Like, I'm not a real estate group by

1388
01:11:54,560 --> 01:11:57,200
Speaker 1: any means. I just came up on that little bit

1389
01:11:57,200 --> 01:11:59,160
Speaker 1: of land. I don't own a whole bunch of property

1390
01:11:59,200 --> 01:12:01,400
Speaker 1: outside the house that we own and that, but I

1391
01:12:01,479 --> 01:12:04,320
Speaker 1: do plan on getting more because what I realized as

1392
01:12:04,400 --> 01:12:08,799
Speaker 1: I get older, you always have to have multiple stream

1393
01:12:08,920 --> 01:12:11,200
Speaker 1: stuff income. You can't just sit back and depend on

1394
01:12:11,320 --> 01:12:13,000
Speaker 1: one thing. I don't care how much money you're making

1395
01:12:13,040 --> 01:12:15,400
Speaker 1: with it. You need to have multiple things going on,

1396
01:12:15,600 --> 01:12:18,040
Speaker 1: stuff that won't necessarily take a lot of your time

1397
01:12:18,240 --> 01:12:24,439
Speaker 1: necessarily because yeah, exactly, because like me, I'm real time stinch.

1398
01:12:24,479 --> 01:12:26,120
Speaker 1: You know I don't have this court you know how

1399
01:12:26,200 --> 01:12:28,040
Speaker 1: to heal for me? Man, my phone ringing a hundred

1400
01:12:28,080 --> 01:12:30,200
Speaker 1: times a day. I got fifty million things. I'm doing it,

1401
01:12:30,560 --> 01:12:32,800
Speaker 1: so I don't have a lot of time. So little things,

1402
01:12:32,920 --> 01:12:35,880
Speaker 1: man like eat little things. They could be something that

1403
01:12:35,960 --> 01:12:38,040
Speaker 1: may bring you five hundred dollars a month. We can't

1404
01:12:38,080 --> 01:12:39,760
Speaker 1: look at everything like the bigg Look, it could be

1405
01:12:39,800 --> 01:12:42,040
Speaker 1: something that may bring you five six hundred dollars a month.

1406
01:12:42,640 --> 01:12:46,599
Speaker 1: Every opportunity adds up to bigger opportunities. With that being said,

1407
01:12:47,360 --> 01:12:49,439
Speaker 1: we out of here. No wait a minute, Wait a minute,

1408
01:12:49,479 --> 01:12:53,320
Speaker 1: hold on. I want to know because I want to grow.

1409
01:12:54,720 --> 01:12:57,320
Speaker 1: I want to be able to leave, like I said earlier,

1410
01:12:58,280 --> 01:13:01,680
Speaker 1: something for my kids and my grand kids. So how

1411
01:13:01,720 --> 01:13:05,320
Speaker 1: do you get into of flipping in and all of that,

1412
01:13:05,840 --> 01:13:08,560
Speaker 1: bying houses and ship How do you get into it?

1413
01:13:09,160 --> 01:13:11,640
Speaker 1: Because I've always believed you have to have a lot

1414
01:13:11,680 --> 01:13:15,200
Speaker 1: of money to start that with. Now you you don't,

1415
01:13:15,320 --> 01:13:18,280
Speaker 1: You don't really. I will say this though, James, it's

1416
01:13:18,280 --> 01:13:21,559
Speaker 1: a little different out here in Cali because it's way

1417
01:13:21,680 --> 01:13:24,560
Speaker 1: more expensive. I've never done it here in Cali, you know,

1418
01:13:25,479 --> 01:13:28,599
Speaker 1: I've always chosen the South and the Midwest because obviously

1419
01:13:28,680 --> 01:13:31,760
Speaker 1: the cost of living. Um. But as I said, you

1420
01:13:31,840 --> 01:13:35,360
Speaker 1: know there, you know, it depends that. You know, again,

1421
01:13:35,439 --> 01:13:39,400
Speaker 1: you've got hard money situations, you got private money, um. Again,

1422
01:13:39,479 --> 01:13:41,599
Speaker 1: depending on how your credit is, depending on how your

1423
01:13:42,000 --> 01:13:44,519
Speaker 1: your business credit is you have. You can do a

1424
01:13:44,680 --> 01:13:47,320
Speaker 1: paper loans, you know. Um, you can do first time

1425
01:13:47,400 --> 01:13:50,400
Speaker 1: investor loans a lot of times. You just need a

1426
01:13:50,479 --> 01:13:52,760
Speaker 1: percentage of the money. You know what I'm saying. You

1427
01:13:52,760 --> 01:13:54,880
Speaker 1: don't need a lot of money like safer instance, James,

1428
01:13:54,920 --> 01:13:57,320
Speaker 1: if I took you to Kansas City, right or or

1429
01:13:57,320 --> 01:14:00,639
Speaker 1: if still took you to Ohio, you know, I mean

1430
01:14:00,680 --> 01:14:03,479
Speaker 1: you're talking. I mean, you know, if it's a property,

1431
01:14:04,240 --> 01:14:07,720
Speaker 1: that's that's what. Let's just say twenty dollars, you know

1432
01:14:07,720 --> 01:14:09,800
Speaker 1: what I mean. Say you gotta put ten percent down,

1433
01:14:10,280 --> 01:14:12,400
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, it's two thousand dollars, you

1434
01:14:12,479 --> 01:14:14,720
Speaker 1: know what I mean? So that's two thousand closing calls,

1435
01:14:14,800 --> 01:14:17,479
Speaker 1: so you might be out maybe what maybe thirty five

1436
01:14:17,840 --> 01:14:21,439
Speaker 1: dollars or something just about thirty five. You see what

1437
01:14:21,479 --> 01:14:23,960
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So now when you talk about you know,

1438
01:14:24,240 --> 01:14:27,240
Speaker 1: the getting it rehab, you do that as you can.

1439
01:14:27,479 --> 01:14:30,040
Speaker 1: What I would say, is it again, this is where

1440
01:14:30,640 --> 01:14:34,479
Speaker 1: having your business structured right and going to those credit unions.

1441
01:14:34,520 --> 01:14:36,360
Speaker 1: So now once you acquire say you only got the

1442
01:14:36,439 --> 01:14:39,240
Speaker 1: thirty five to acquire it, right, but you you got

1443
01:14:39,320 --> 01:14:41,800
Speaker 1: it now right. The mortgage on that on a twenty

1444
01:14:41,840 --> 01:14:44,000
Speaker 1: thousand dollar house, thirty year mortgage probably gonna be a

1445
01:14:44,120 --> 01:14:46,880
Speaker 1: hundred eighty five dollars a month. So now you have

1446
01:14:47,000 --> 01:14:49,240
Speaker 1: this piece of property. So now you can take that

1447
01:14:49,520 --> 01:14:52,439
Speaker 1: along with you already having your LLC, your corporation or whatever,

1448
01:14:52,560 --> 01:14:55,080
Speaker 1: go to the local credit union and say, hey, I

1449
01:14:55,160 --> 01:14:57,280
Speaker 1: want to get along, I want to line of credit

1450
01:14:57,560 --> 01:14:59,840
Speaker 1: or I want a credit card, and I have this

1451
01:15:00,080 --> 01:15:03,519
Speaker 1: property you know, as leverage, so now you can get

1452
01:15:03,560 --> 01:15:06,880
Speaker 1: you you know, twenty thirty dollars, you know what I'm saying,

1453
01:15:06,960 --> 01:15:10,840
Speaker 1: either most likely in a line of credit or or

1454
01:15:11,040 --> 01:15:13,479
Speaker 1: a credit card that could help you get it rehab.

1455
01:15:13,800 --> 01:15:16,799
Speaker 1: But again, you just gotta be you gotta be intentional

1456
01:15:16,920 --> 01:15:19,400
Speaker 1: and structured, so you gotta understand the numbers. You know,

1457
01:15:19,600 --> 01:15:21,599
Speaker 1: you know what that is, Jake. It's just like the street.

1458
01:15:21,880 --> 01:15:24,040
Speaker 1: It's just like the streets, you boyo. You know how

1459
01:15:24,080 --> 01:15:25,680
Speaker 1: to put your mark up on it and there it is.

1460
01:15:26,120 --> 01:15:28,880
Speaker 1: So you understand what the houses are going for in

1461
01:15:29,000 --> 01:15:31,400
Speaker 1: that area. And then you have to figure out if

1462
01:15:31,439 --> 01:15:34,720
Speaker 1: you want to sell that house to another investor or

1463
01:15:34,840 --> 01:15:38,800
Speaker 1: two owner occupied, because owner occupied you're gonna get top

1464
01:15:38,880 --> 01:15:41,519
Speaker 1: dollar an investor. So it's just like the streets. You're

1465
01:15:41,560 --> 01:15:43,960
Speaker 1: gonna sell to another host seller, you know what I'm saying,

1466
01:15:44,320 --> 01:15:46,080
Speaker 1: or you're gonna sell it to a negative is gonna

1467
01:15:46,120 --> 01:15:48,320
Speaker 1: be you know, in the corner with it. So there's

1468
01:15:48,320 --> 01:15:51,160
Speaker 1: different prices. So it's the same thing, you know, but

1469
01:15:51,640 --> 01:15:54,080
Speaker 1: a couple of thousand you could definitely get into something.

1470
01:15:54,120 --> 01:15:56,320
Speaker 1: It'll be a little different out here, but you know,

1471
01:15:56,439 --> 01:15:58,840
Speaker 1: you move into the Midwest cities, man, a couple of bands,

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01:15:58,920 --> 01:16:01,439
Speaker 1: you can get it. No, I was gonna say, you

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01:16:01,479 --> 01:16:04,760
Speaker 1: don't necessarily have to stay out here, James. You have Mississippi. Um,

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01:16:05,479 --> 01:16:08,439
Speaker 1: the homely Dad's has done done very well. Really state

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01:16:08,479 --> 01:16:13,679
Speaker 1: in Mississippi looking up better for myself and I'm winning, Yeah,

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01:16:14,040 --> 01:16:18,560
Speaker 1: to get where I want to go. Mississippi. Yeah, you

1477
01:16:18,600 --> 01:16:20,120
Speaker 1: know you don't necessarily have to go back to the

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01:16:20,200 --> 01:16:23,200
Speaker 1: Midwest of the code. You know you got Mississippi, dude. Yeah,

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01:16:24,680 --> 01:16:28,920
Speaker 1: I think that has brought this first time when he

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01:16:29,040 --> 01:16:31,439
Speaker 1: was got a bunch of I think the same thing,

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01:16:31,600 --> 01:16:34,519
Speaker 1: Jay C. The bigger figure is in Alabama, you know

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01:16:34,560 --> 01:16:36,560
Speaker 1: what I mean. Like he went to Alabama with his

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01:16:36,640 --> 01:16:40,559
Speaker 1: ship and brought up a bunch of ships and yeah

1484
01:16:42,320 --> 01:16:45,479
Speaker 1: much even my partner John now from Oakland. Uh, he

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01:16:45,560 --> 01:16:48,400
Speaker 1: went to St. Louis, bro and he literally bought the

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01:16:48,479 --> 01:16:51,920
Speaker 1: whole block. He bought He bought a school. He bought

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01:16:52,000 --> 01:16:54,559
Speaker 1: a whole fucking school and yeah, you know what I mean,

1488
01:16:54,760 --> 01:16:58,320
Speaker 1: and turned it into like a house slash a community center,

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01:16:58,400 --> 01:17:00,320
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So you can act to

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01:17:00,400 --> 01:17:03,360
Speaker 1: the U, to the Midwest or the South, James, but

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01:17:03,439 --> 01:17:06,559
Speaker 1: you know we can wrap about it. Bro. Okay, guys,

1492
01:17:06,640 --> 01:17:09,439
Speaker 1: you know when you've got my number, bro, Yeah, what

1493
01:17:09,600 --> 01:17:12,800
Speaker 1: you do is going Dad's dealing just Instagram because he's

1494
01:17:12,840 --> 01:17:15,440
Speaker 1: always talking about you know, Dad's haven't been buying Bobcats

1495
01:17:15,479 --> 01:17:18,760
Speaker 1: and everything else. Dad's bought him like three acres of

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01:17:18,920 --> 01:17:21,680
Speaker 1: land when Atlanta was cheap. Atlanta started to get hot

1497
01:17:21,760 --> 01:17:24,040
Speaker 1: now and he bought it like when it was cheap

1498
01:17:24,200 --> 01:17:26,800
Speaker 1: late in the back and everything. Not what he's doing

1499
01:17:26,840 --> 01:17:29,559
Speaker 1: is building Dad's don't build him his twelve thirteen dead

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01:17:29,640 --> 01:17:35,120
Speaker 1: room house, his retirement house. Right But behind that he's

1501
01:17:35,160 --> 01:17:37,519
Speaker 1: gotten um, you know, the prefab homes. They're not the

1502
01:17:37,600 --> 01:17:39,479
Speaker 1: mobile home for the pre fab homes. He's put the

1503
01:17:39,520 --> 01:17:42,720
Speaker 1: four because what he said is what he's doing is

1504
01:17:42,840 --> 01:17:44,920
Speaker 1: when he got gifts to come over, they don't have

1505
01:17:45,000 --> 01:17:46,760
Speaker 1: to come in and mess up this houfice. Now, hey,

1506
01:17:46,840 --> 01:17:48,519
Speaker 1: you're gonna take that three bed room over there. You

1507
01:17:48,600 --> 01:17:50,080
Speaker 1: can take that too. Bear, we go back there with

1508
01:17:50,120 --> 01:17:53,000
Speaker 1: your family and be cool. I think even talking about

1509
01:17:53,040 --> 01:17:54,920
Speaker 1: building the club back there. So he said, I ain't

1510
01:17:54,920 --> 01:17:56,320
Speaker 1: got to go onto it no more. He's going in

1511
01:17:56,400 --> 01:17:59,599
Speaker 1: my backyard, take the golf gard over there. But he's

1512
01:17:59,640 --> 01:18:01,680
Speaker 1: literally building a lot of this stuff when his own

1513
01:18:01,760 --> 01:18:05,479
Speaker 1: because he's acquired the knowledge over the years. And this

1514
01:18:05,560 --> 01:18:07,280
Speaker 1: is a lot of information, Like James, this is a

1515
01:18:07,320 --> 01:18:09,439
Speaker 1: lot of good brothers that to give you information. And

1516
01:18:09,479 --> 01:18:12,439
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you the go ahead. I'm sorry, still

1517
01:18:12,479 --> 01:18:16,120
Speaker 1: go ahead, No, just one more piece of game. When

1518
01:18:16,160 --> 01:18:18,639
Speaker 1: you are building your business credit. And this is nothing

1519
01:18:18,680 --> 01:18:21,559
Speaker 1: I legal en nothing. It's ways to get different trade

1520
01:18:21,680 --> 01:18:24,920
Speaker 1: lines on your credit. But this is something we're talking about,

1521
01:18:24,960 --> 01:18:28,280
Speaker 1: like kind of offline. Sometimes it's ways to add different

1522
01:18:28,280 --> 01:18:32,479
Speaker 1: trade lines to your credit. Because even something the simplest like, um,

1523
01:18:33,200 --> 01:18:35,799
Speaker 1: I remember my first trade line, dude, was me getting

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01:18:35,920 --> 01:18:38,800
Speaker 1: some inkpens from this company. Dude, but you know my

1525
01:18:38,960 --> 01:18:42,639
Speaker 1: logos and stuff up, and yeah, you give me sixty

1526
01:18:42,680 --> 01:18:44,960
Speaker 1: days to pay for. What you do is you take

1527
01:18:45,040 --> 01:18:47,280
Speaker 1: the sixty days even though it's only fifty bucks, a

1528
01:18:47,360 --> 01:18:49,880
Speaker 1: hundred bucks. You've got some mugs, you've got some different stuff,

1529
01:18:49,920 --> 01:18:53,200
Speaker 1: but that establishes your credit. Then from there you start

1530
01:18:53,280 --> 01:18:56,080
Speaker 1: getting bigger offers for credit. You may get a credit

1531
01:18:56,120 --> 01:18:59,000
Speaker 1: card that may say you got a limit on it.

1532
01:18:59,160 --> 01:19:03,120
Speaker 1: Right from there, it keeps going up and up and

1533
01:19:03,360 --> 01:19:06,240
Speaker 1: up and up. You just don't want that. I tell brothers,

1534
01:19:06,320 --> 01:19:08,800
Speaker 1: you gotta make sure we gotta do a better job

1535
01:19:08,920 --> 01:19:11,960
Speaker 1: at black people's keeping our credit in order. I have

1536
01:19:12,240 --> 01:19:15,120
Speaker 1: very horrible credit a couple of times in life. Me too,

1537
01:19:15,560 --> 01:19:18,560
Speaker 1: Me too. You know, I got it together. But you know,

1538
01:19:18,640 --> 01:19:20,840
Speaker 1: the area is a free game for you guys out there,

1539
01:19:20,880 --> 01:19:25,840
Speaker 1: and we appreciate your tuning in, and I appreciate your

1540
01:19:25,920 --> 01:19:28,120
Speaker 1: brothers coming to sit doing with me one more time,

1541
01:19:28,360 --> 01:19:32,080
Speaker 1: all the time, all the time, all the time, always honor,

1542
01:19:33,320 --> 01:19:37,040
Speaker 1: always for sure. And now we officially out of here.

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01:19:37,240 --> 01:19:41,479
Speaker 1: You'll have a blessed day. Well. That concludes another episode

1544
01:19:41,479 --> 01:19:44,080
Speaker 1: of Against the Chronicles podcast. Be sure to download the

1545
01:19:44,120 --> 01:19:46,880
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01:19:51,479 --> 01:19:54,760
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1549
01:19:54,800 --> 01:19:57,559
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1550
01:19:57,920 --> 01:20:00,519
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1551
01:20:00,640 --> 01:20:03,519
Speaker 1: editors Taylor Hayes. The Gangster Chronicles is a production of

1552
01:20:03,560 --> 01:20:06,479
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01:20:06,800 --> 01:20:09,040
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