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Speaker 1: The following Here's a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com

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Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. Are you ready for

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Speaker 1: a break? Yes? Are you ready for a break? Absolutely?

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Speaker 1: Ready for a break? Yeah? And so much for that.

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Speaker 1: It's time for The Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com

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Speaker 1: on November sixteenth, twenty twenty, Season sixteen, episode number sixty four.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the latest edition of The Break. I am

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Speaker 1: live from the SWBC Mortgage studios at the Star. I

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Speaker 1: got Nick and Dave and Amber and it's happy. I'm

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Speaker 1: happy to be back with these guys. I haven't seen

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Speaker 1: him since last Monday. We did our show shuffle and

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Speaker 1: uh and so I'm interested to hear from these guys,

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Speaker 1: which we will do in just a second, what their

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Speaker 1: experience was without having me hosting their show. Hopefully it

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Speaker 1: back with me. We'll also talk a little bit about

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Speaker 1: Trey Von Dick, because we did not get a chance

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Speaker 1: little bit about the NFC East, some interesting developments with

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Speaker 1: maybe winning the division. I know Dave's gonna have a

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Speaker 1: have a segment at the end where Amber is gonna

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Speaker 1: give us some questions. It's got a little game for us,

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Speaker 1: I think, and some questions that we're going to roll

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Speaker 1: How's everybody doing today? We're good, great, Dred good, good good,

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Speaker 1: Let's jump in. I actually did want to debrief a

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Speaker 1: little bit. It was kind of funny because and I'll

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Speaker 1: during those shows where I was like, y'all really think that,

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Speaker 1: And it makes you realize just how much we on

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Speaker 1: our show have our very solid opinions about certain things.

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Speaker 1: And we kind of started I know, for myself, I

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Speaker 1: realize that some of those just aren't what everybody thinks.

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Speaker 1: So we're gonna go around the table here, and I

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Speaker 1: want you guys, each one of you, to tell me

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Speaker 1: one thing that you learned last week on your show,

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Speaker 1: Let's start first with you. Nick Well obviously learned the

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Speaker 1: way Nate Newton feels about moral victories and so and

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Speaker 1: it probably went on for a little bit too long.

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Speaker 1: But uh, you know, I you know I had Kyle Yeoman,

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Speaker 1: you know Nate, you know, it brings a perspective that

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Speaker 1: And you know that show's Shannon Grows hosting it. It's

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Speaker 1: You know, I will say this too about you, ag.

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Speaker 1: That was not what I'm familiar with. Nick actually hit

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Speaker 1: So that's nally why I was so well behaved, and

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Speaker 1: like it all right, Dave, what do you learn last week?

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Speaker 1: I learned that structure can be a good thing because

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Speaker 1: and you send us an eight hundred word rundown every day,

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Speaker 1: and sometimes I think this show is a little bit

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Speaker 1: So he know he needs to just step right in play.

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Speaker 1: You know, he's a gamer. Sometimes it works for the

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Speaker 1: But if he if he could play, I would play him.

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Speaker 1: of this team by winning. Let's start first with you, Dave.

429
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Speaker 1: We're talking about we're talking about the Cows, talk about

430
00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:05,120
Speaker 1: the Cowboys. Correct, Yes, I don't worry about the whole

431
00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:08,359
Speaker 1: culture thing like the Giants. The Giants, I think is

432
00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:10,919
Speaker 1: a little different. Joe Judge is the first time head coach,

433
00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:15,040
Speaker 1: and like the pieces on that team that you're relying

434
00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:17,720
Speaker 1: on have never done it. You know, Daniel Jones is

435
00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:20,320
Speaker 1: obviously a young player, he's never been in the playoffs.

436
00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:22,960
Speaker 1: I know se Quon's hurt, but the same thing for him.

437
00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:26,800
Speaker 1: You know, they're young defensive players, Like, you're not building

438
00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:30,600
Speaker 1: around a team that has ever succeeded, whereas and I know,

439
00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:32,920
Speaker 1: you know, I can hear people saying the Cowboys haven't

440
00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:36,560
Speaker 1: achieved anything really either, but it is different. I mean,

441
00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:39,639
Speaker 1: Dak is in year five. Dak has been through the wars,

442
00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:42,800
Speaker 1: He's been in the playoffs multiple times. Really, all of

443
00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:45,720
Speaker 1: the important pieces on this team have been to the

444
00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:49,399
Speaker 1: playoffs multiple times, like they know what it means to

445
00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:52,120
Speaker 1: be part of a successful team. Mike McCarthy has obviously

446
00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:54,800
Speaker 1: won a Super Bowl, so this is not a team

447
00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:58,439
Speaker 1: that is unfamiliar with that feeling. So I don't I

448
00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:01,119
Speaker 1: don't really worry about that much as being able to

449
00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:04,600
Speaker 1: improve the roster so that these good players can do

450
00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:11,120
Speaker 1: that again in the future. Amber, That's a really tough question.

451
00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:13,640
Speaker 1: And for me, it depends one day of the week

452
00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:17,879
Speaker 1: you're asking me this, because during the weekdays, I'm thinking

453
00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:20,359
Speaker 1: about the draft, and I'm thinking, Okay, yes, you know what,

454
00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:24,200
Speaker 1: let's just get that high draft pick and make some

455
00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:28,160
Speaker 1: better draft choices this upcoming year. But then you ask

456
00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:31,080
Speaker 1: me on game day, am I screw the draft? You know?

457
00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:33,440
Speaker 1: I want them to play good football. I want them

458
00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:36,200
Speaker 1: to win this freaking game, go out there and make

459
00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:41,880
Speaker 1: it exciting. So to me right now, even though I

460
00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:45,199
Speaker 1: get everything that Da've just said and I kind of agree,

461
00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:48,359
Speaker 1: but at the same time, this is a whole new team,

462
00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:51,600
Speaker 1: a lot of young guys. I need to have the

463
00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:56,720
Speaker 1: feeling that they do get that establishing the winning culture

464
00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:58,800
Speaker 1: and the fact that they can actually win a game

465
00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:03,480
Speaker 1: with this coaching put together. Because even if you talk

466
00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:06,840
Speaker 1: about draft high picks next year, what's gonna make me

467
00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:10,200
Speaker 1: have hope that this team can actually utilize that talent

468
00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:13,520
Speaker 1: that they just brought in. So right now, for me,

469
00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:16,639
Speaker 1: it's like, yes, I want the good draft and whatever,

470
00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:19,240
Speaker 1: but at the same time, I need to see some

471
00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:22,320
Speaker 1: excitement this year the second half of the season. I

472
00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:26,359
Speaker 1: need to feel like this team can actually put together

473
00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:29,360
Speaker 1: a winning game and win some games out there, because,

474
00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:33,679
Speaker 1: like I said, what's good. What's it gonna do bringing

475
00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:38,280
Speaker 1: some great talent if the coaching staff can't put it together.

476
00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:42,119
Speaker 1: So I guess I'm kind of in both sides, but

477
00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:46,280
Speaker 1: I would lean towards winning culture a little bit more. Nick.

478
00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:51,000
Speaker 1: I mean, I just don't I think what when we

479
00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:54,040
Speaker 1: talk about this, we're talking about from a fans perspective,

480
00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:57,639
Speaker 1: media perspective. We're talking, we're talking about like what we

481
00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:01,439
Speaker 1: would prefer to see, because you're really talking about the team,

482
00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:06,199
Speaker 1: like they're gonna go play and win and try to

483
00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:08,840
Speaker 1: win games. I mean, so it's like, I think we

484
00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:11,080
Speaker 1: look at it and go, how do I want to

485
00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:13,119
Speaker 1: watch them win? Or do I want to just have

486
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:16,359
Speaker 1: a good draft pick. But and that sounds good because

487
00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:18,320
Speaker 1: when you're watching it, you can make that choice. But

488
00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:21,040
Speaker 1: as a team, you just play. You just play the game.

489
00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:23,760
Speaker 1: You just say we're gonna go out and we're gonna

490
00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:25,840
Speaker 1: play the guys that are healthy, and we're gonna go

491
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:28,000
Speaker 1: out there and play. Because think of it like this,

492
00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:31,200
Speaker 1: like what if they go too and fourteen, and then

493
00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:34,200
Speaker 1: next year they go eight and eight, what's and Mike

494
00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:36,639
Speaker 1: McCarthy's on the hot seat, what's his record going to be?

495
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:39,120
Speaker 1: I mean, they're just gonna be He's gonna say they

496
00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:43,560
Speaker 1: have ten wins, right, ten wins and twenty two losses. Well,

497
00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:45,600
Speaker 1: no one's gonna go back and go, well, hey, they

498
00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:48,320
Speaker 1: really were just tanking. That really doesn't count. No, that

499
00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:50,720
Speaker 1: two and fourteen is gonna stick on his record. He's

500
00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:52,359
Speaker 1: not trying to tank games. He's gonna try to go

501
00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:54,480
Speaker 1: win games. So I think you win games, you do

502
00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:56,439
Speaker 1: the best you can do. And then if you like

503
00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:58,400
Speaker 1: Jerry always says, if you get a high draft pick,

504
00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:00,880
Speaker 1: you earned it and you take it, but you don't

505
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:03,480
Speaker 1: go play for it. Yeah, and just just bealy. This

506
00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:06,040
Speaker 1: is about fans and media. This is not about the

507
00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:08,480
Speaker 1: team because the expectation is professionals are always going to

508
00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:11,520
Speaker 1: be trying to win. So as what your opinion, Nick,

509
00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:14,400
Speaker 1: as a person that's a bystander that covers this team,

510
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:16,760
Speaker 1: and let's assume you want this team to do well,

511
00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:20,920
Speaker 1: which do you think is more important? Yeah? I think

512
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:23,680
Speaker 1: I like Amber said, I'd go try to win the game.

513
00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:26,960
Speaker 1: I think that's that's important because I think this roster

514
00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:30,200
Speaker 1: is a good roster when everybody's healthy. If you get

515
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:32,359
Speaker 1: the fifth, if you get the eighteenth pick in the draft,

516
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:35,200
Speaker 1: that if that's what happens, if you sneak into the playoffs,

517
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:37,600
Speaker 1: I think you're automatically an eighteen. If you get that,

518
00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:40,280
Speaker 1: you know you could get a Layton Vanderish type of player.

519
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:42,000
Speaker 1: For a roster. I still think that that helps. Is

520
00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:44,399
Speaker 1: it better than a six, five or a third pick? No,

521
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:47,400
Speaker 1: of course not but once you've established along the way

522
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:49,600
Speaker 1: to get there, the confidence of that staff, the trust

523
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:52,960
Speaker 1: they need some trust to. The players need to be

524
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:55,480
Speaker 1: able to trust the coaches. Coaches trust the players. That

525
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:57,639
Speaker 1: is not developed right now, and I think that is

526
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Speaker 1: really important for them to do that. Looking at how

527
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:02,879
Speaker 1: this division is playing out right now, again only separated

528
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:05,879
Speaker 1: by a game and a half, who do you think

529
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:12,639
Speaker 1: wins this division? Let's start with you, Amber. I hate

530
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:16,800
Speaker 1: this question so bad. I hate it. I hate it.

531
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:20,720
Speaker 1: Oh my god, this is so tough. You know. Regardless

532
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:22,920
Speaker 1: of all the pain that the Cowboys have put me through,

533
00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:26,359
Speaker 1: in the back of my heart down there, I still

534
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:31,960
Speaker 1: feel that somehow they're gonna magically start winning games and

535
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:35,080
Speaker 1: piece some things together to get to the point of

536
00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:40,240
Speaker 1: them winning the division. But based on everything that we've seen,

537
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:43,160
Speaker 1: it's hard to have that kind of hope. So if

538
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 1: I had to choose someone that wins the division, I

539
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:49,920
Speaker 1: am in no way choosing the Eagles. I think that

540
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:53,920
Speaker 1: the Giants have started putting some things together to where

541
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:58,159
Speaker 1: I've seen, even when they lose games, I've seen little

542
00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:03,360
Speaker 1: sparks here and there of things that cost it catches

543
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:06,600
Speaker 1: my attention and leads me to think that, Okay, maybe

544
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:09,680
Speaker 1: they can be a little more successful than what we're

545
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:14,840
Speaker 1: actually seeing on these games. So maybe right now, I

546
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:18,080
Speaker 1: hate this question, Derek, don't maybe answer this. This is dumb.

547
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:20,159
Speaker 1: I don't want to answer it. I don't want to

548
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:24,320
Speaker 1: answer it. But I just don't know. I just don't know.

549
00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:26,880
Speaker 1: It's up for grabs for any one. The only one

550
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:29,359
Speaker 1: that I keep down at the bottom would be Washington.

551
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:33,240
Speaker 1: But I think that anyone in this division can seriously

552
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:36,880
Speaker 1: take up the lead and win the NFC East. Nick,

553
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 1: don't make me answer this question, Derek, I don't like

554
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 1: this question now. I think the Giants actually are in

555
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:52,440
Speaker 1: pretty good shape, if there is such a thing at

556
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:55,240
Speaker 1: three and seven, just because they are three and two

557
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:57,880
Speaker 1: in the NFC East and their two losses are to

558
00:28:58,040 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 1: the Eagles in the game that they should have won,

559
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:02,520
Speaker 1: and probably in a game against the Cowboys where I'm

560
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:05,600
Speaker 1: sure they feel like they should have won. Um, I

561
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 1: don't think so. I think, you know, the Dak getting

562
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:10,600
Speaker 1: hurt changed everything, But but you know, they could easily

563
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 1: be five and five right now with a five and

564
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 1: and o record in the division. So I think that

565
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:17,840
Speaker 1: they have as good a chance as anyone but I

566
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 1: could see any of the team's really sneaking in here.

567
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 1: I mean, the only the reason I don't say Philly

568
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:24,880
Speaker 1: is that they're The next five or six games are

569
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:28,720
Speaker 1: very tough m on the schedule, So the Cowboys I

570
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 1: think might have the best schedule of the group. Yep, Dave,

571
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 1: I'll answer the question, Derek, I'm not afraid, and I'll

572
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:41,360
Speaker 1: I'll piss everybody off in the process to know, I

573
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:43,720
Speaker 1: know exactly what you're gonna say. What am I gonna say?

574
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:46,160
Speaker 1: You're gonna say the Eagles because they have the best quarterback.

575
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:51,800
Speaker 1: Absolutely not like you can't you can't defend. Listen, I've

576
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:54,800
Speaker 1: been I've been bending over backward to make way for

577
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:57,280
Speaker 1: Carson Wentz, to give him the benefit of the doubt,

578
00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:00,160
Speaker 1: and it's it just ain't happening at this point. The

579
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:03,800
Speaker 1: Eagles are our trash. And Nick makes a very good point.

580
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:06,280
Speaker 1: They've still gotta They've got to play Green Bay, They've

581
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:09,160
Speaker 1: got to play New Orleans. I think they still have

582
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:11,280
Speaker 1: Seattle on their schedule. They no the thing I was

583
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:15,479
Speaker 1: going to say, the Cowboys have the best chance to

584
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 1: win this division right now. Absolutely they do. And I'm

585
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:22,880
Speaker 1: saying that knowing that it is insane because you know,

586
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:25,560
Speaker 1: I've been sitting here for a month and a half saying, yeah,

587
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:28,040
Speaker 1: I know the East is bad, but these things have

588
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:30,400
Speaker 1: a way of taking care of themselves. The winner of

589
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 1: this division's gonna wind up with eight or nine wins.

590
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:35,920
Speaker 1: That's not happening. That is that is not going to

591
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:38,520
Speaker 1: happen when you look at what these teams still have left,

592
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:41,080
Speaker 1: and everybody talks about the Giants. Oh, the Giants are

593
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:43,800
Speaker 1: kind of putting it together. Do you realize why that is?

594
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:47,840
Speaker 1: It's because they've got They've gotten to play the NFC

595
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 1: East in back to back weeks. They got they got

596
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:54,920
Speaker 1: to win against Washington and awful Philadelphia. They've played five

597
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:57,160
Speaker 1: of their six division games. They played the Cowboys to

598
00:30:57,240 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 1: end the season, so they're they're done. They don't have

599
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:02,480
Speaker 1: any more lay up games against bad division teams. The

600
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 1: Giants still have to play Cleveland, Baltimore, Arizona, and Seattle.

601
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:10,600
Speaker 1: I believe have fun. Yeah, yeah, I think they get

602
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:13,560
Speaker 1: They get Cincinnati this week, so you know, maybe that's

603
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 1: a chance for them to get one more win, but

604
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 1: it's gonna be tough sledding for them the rest of

605
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:21,480
Speaker 1: the way. Meanwhile, Dallas has three division games. If you go,

606
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 1: you know, if you win those three games all of

607
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 1: a sudden, so that gets you to five and seven,

608
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:30,400
Speaker 1: I believe, and then maybe you just gotta you just gotta.

609
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:32,960
Speaker 1: You got Cincinnati and you have the forty nine ers,

610
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,080
Speaker 1: who are even more banged up than the Cowboys are.

611
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 1: All they gotta do is like play below five hundred football.

612
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 1: You know, if they go three and four, if they

613
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:44,520
Speaker 1: go three and four, or definitely if they go four

614
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:49,360
Speaker 1: and three, that's probably good enough. So if you're if

615
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 1: you're making me pick right now, I might have to

616
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 1: go with the Cowboys. And I hate, I hate saying it,

617
00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 1: but it makes sense. That is exactly the quota of

618
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 1: what it debate you in two day right there. That's

619
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 1: exactly what do you want me to say? No, no, no,

620
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:08,800
Speaker 1: it's it's but it's actually true. And that the reason

621
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:11,600
Speaker 1: why I brought up the question is because I laughed

622
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 1: in the faces of Isaiah and Barry last week when

623
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:17,800
Speaker 1: they were talking about it. I'm like, there's no way.

624
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:20,720
Speaker 1: And then I started looking at the schedule and I

625
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:24,240
Speaker 1: was like, oh wow, if things happened like they're supposed

626
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 1: to happen, this weekend, which they did, this thing gets

627
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 1: really really interesting for the Cowboys all the way out.

628
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:32,479
Speaker 1: And by the way, I think, I think I can

629
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:34,280
Speaker 1: speak for all of us, you guys correct me if

630
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 1: I'm wrong, But over the last two weeks, we've seen

631
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 1: a Cowboys team play markedly better than they've played before that.

632
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:44,640
Speaker 1: And so maybe if this defense is starting to get

633
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:47,600
Speaker 1: a little bit better, and maybe if this offense can

634
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 1: find just a shred of what it was earlier in

635
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 1: the season. Now, of course that was with Dak Prescott,

636
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:55,360
Speaker 1: but if they can get to that, and then then

637
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 1: you look at the schedule and you say there are

638
00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:00,280
Speaker 1: teams that are beatable on this schedule, this could get

639
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 1: really interesting for the Cowboys down the stretch and certainly

640
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:05,840
Speaker 1: hurt the hope of the feelings of all those fans

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Speaker 1: at the Star. This final segment will be Amber segment,

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Speaker 1: she has something for us Amber take it away. I'm

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00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 1: pulling one from Shannon's and Shannon's book and just making

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00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:07,960
Speaker 1: it up as we go here anymore. In the first question, um,

690
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 1: we know this has been a crazy season, So I

691
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Speaker 1: want to ask you, guys, what what was a moment

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Speaker 1: a specific moment that happened during the season. Could be

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Speaker 1: a play, could be an injury, could be a decision

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Speaker 1: that the coaching made, or anything like that that you

695
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:28,480
Speaker 1: were like, oh crap, this is bad. This is not

696
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Speaker 1: looking good, and something aside from Dak's injury, because we

697
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Speaker 1: know how major that was. But at the same time,

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Speaker 1: I think we we all thought that Andy Dalton could

699
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Speaker 1: still take over and help the Cowboys win some games.

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Speaker 1: So if you had to pick a moment that you

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00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:45,560
Speaker 1: saw happening and that made you think, men, this is

702
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:51,960
Speaker 1: really bad for the Cowboys, what would that be? I

703
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:55,080
Speaker 1: think I'll start. I think Cleveland. The Cleveland game. At

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Speaker 1: that point, you know you're one in two and you

705
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Speaker 1: think we're maybe you can get right and beat Cleveland

706
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Speaker 1: at home. The way they just ran over the team.

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00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:05,959
Speaker 1: You know, Dak was still there and healthy, and even

708
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:09,799
Speaker 1: Tyring was playing that game, and the Browns just just

709
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:13,320
Speaker 1: even lost. They're starting running back and just couldn't stop

710
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:15,960
Speaker 1: running the football. And I just thought that was a

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Speaker 1: sign of this is this is not good because I

712
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:20,440
Speaker 1: don't think the Browns are that great of a team,

713
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Speaker 1: and they showed it a few weeks later against Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 1: So losing the way they did against the Browns and

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Speaker 1: you know, just kind of letting Odell run all over

716
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Speaker 1: them like that, and and the team, I just thought

717
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:34,400
Speaker 1: that was when it's like, Okay, this maybe this is

718
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:38,799
Speaker 1: a bad football team. I think that's uh. I think

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Speaker 1: that's the right answer, just in terms of like the

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Speaker 1: play that we've seen on the field. But other than that,

721
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Speaker 1: I think, you know, with Mike McCarthy, tried so hard

722
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Speaker 1: to keep everything close to the vest all through training camp,

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Speaker 1: and I think up until like a week or so

724
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Speaker 1: before the season, like I've still felt optimistic that Lyle

725
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:00,800
Speaker 1: Collins would be available at some point during the season,

726
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:04,279
Speaker 1: and so like week to the combination of him going

727
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:08,319
Speaker 1: on IR and then Tyron dealing with injuries literally one

728
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:10,640
Speaker 1: week end of the season, like right like when you

729
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:14,040
Speaker 1: first started to realize like, oh, they're not gonna have

730
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 1: either of their tackles for a solid chunk of this season.

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Speaker 1: I think even when Dak was healthy and everything, You're

732
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Speaker 1: just like, they're gonna be hard pressed to win as

733
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Speaker 1: many games as I thought they would with those those

734
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Speaker 1: types of injuries. Yeah, Dave, it's interesting because I was

735
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:30,960
Speaker 1: gonna say it's it's those two things started to make

736
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Speaker 1: me feel a little weird. It wasn't until I heard

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Speaker 1: that Tyrone was out for the season that I was like, Okay,

738
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Speaker 1: the wheels are falling off this thing. Because when you

739
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Speaker 1: think about it from the standpoint of how this team

740
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:45,359
Speaker 1: was built, this offense was built around an offensive line.

741
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Speaker 1: Whether you're throwing the ball or running the ball, it's

742
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 1: built around the offensive line. And at that moment, three

743
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:52,960
Speaker 1: of your top four offensive linemen were now gone. You

744
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 1: lost Travis Frederick because he retired, and Lyle Collins was

745
00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:58,759
Speaker 1: gone before the season began. And then once they made

746
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:01,880
Speaker 1: figure out that Tyrone was going to be lost for

747
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Speaker 1: the entire season or for the rest of the season,

748
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Speaker 1: then to me, it was like, I just don't see

749
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Speaker 1: a scenario where with what you're gonna have to patch

750
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Speaker 1: work together on the offensive line, they'll be able to

751
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:15,759
Speaker 1: do the things that give them success. I thought Dak

752
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:18,799
Speaker 1: would keep them in games, but once Dak went down

753
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:20,920
Speaker 1: and obviously then it was just completely like I just

754
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Speaker 1: don't have any any faith that what they like to

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Speaker 1: do is going to be good enough. And quite frankly,

756
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Speaker 1: teams like that that are having those kinds of struggles offensively,

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Speaker 1: if you can rely on your defense, or if your

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Speaker 1: defense can step up a notch and play some really

759
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Speaker 1: outstanding football, it gives you a chance. But they were

760
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Speaker 1: also having issues on the defensive side of the ball,

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Speaker 1: like major issues, and so once Tyrone was gone for

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Speaker 1: the season, that's when I realized that it was really, really,

763
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:51,400
Speaker 1: they were really in a bad position. Now let's switch

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Speaker 1: the question to something positive. What was something that a

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Speaker 1: moment or a player coming back or anything that happened

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Speaker 1: during the season that made you feel a little hope,

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Speaker 1: a sign of hope for the Cowboys this year. I

768
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Speaker 1: don't know about hope. But like, as dumb as it

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Speaker 1: sounds in retrospect, I mean, the Atlanta game will stick

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Speaker 1: with me forever. Just I mean, I know Atlanta's bad

771
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:22,400
Speaker 1: and the season is bad, but that was just an

772
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Speaker 1: absolutely ridiculous game. Um, you know, that's the classic case

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Speaker 1: of the game where like we were all starting on

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00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:31,399
Speaker 1: our stories in the third quarter because it was so

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00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:33,960
Speaker 1: obvious that the game was over and then all of

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00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:36,719
Speaker 1: a sudden it wasn't. And yeah, it didn't wind up

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Speaker 1: meaning anything, I guess, but it was still really fun,

778
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Speaker 1: Like that was just a really fun football game. Yeah,

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00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:48,200
Speaker 1: that was exactly my answer. I was just gonna say

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Speaker 1: that that's a hope for the season, I mean for

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Speaker 1: the team and maybe next year. I mean I I'd

782
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Speaker 1: look at it like hope for this year. Maybe I

783
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:00,279
Speaker 1: don't know if that what the question actually it was,

784
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:04,680
Speaker 1: but I'll take it from recently. I think Layton vander

785
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:08,680
Speaker 1: esh blitzing up the metal and hitting Carson Wentz like

786
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:12,719
Speaker 1: that showed, you know, the type of play that we've

787
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:14,920
Speaker 1: been kind of waiting for from him and hopefully he

788
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:17,719
Speaker 1: can come back. And and it was that kind of game,

789
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Speaker 1: that kind of play against Philly. That's like I thought

790
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:22,440
Speaker 1: Philly would be the team you'd have to beat to

791
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Speaker 1: win this division, and that still might be the case,

792
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:27,839
Speaker 1: but I think that they can play with Philly. They

793
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:30,879
Speaker 1: were very handicapped on a quarterback there they get any

794
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:32,919
Speaker 1: kind of better play at quarterback, and I think they will.

795
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Speaker 1: I think they could beat Philly or any team. So

796
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:38,799
Speaker 1: just that kind of play from Layton show individually and

797
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 1: then also as the team and an aggressive defense actually

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00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 1: getting a turnover, like a real turnover. I thought that

799
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Speaker 1: was some kind of hope. They didn't win the game,

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Speaker 1: but I think that they showed that they can they

801
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Speaker 1: can compete in this division if they want to win it. Yeah.

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00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:54,320
Speaker 1: I was gonna say I actually agree with Dave on

803
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Speaker 1: the on the Atlanta game because at the time when

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00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:58,799
Speaker 1: it happened, I looked at that and say, like, those

805
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:00,719
Speaker 1: are the kind of moments at some times you see

806
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 1: these really really great seasons that teams have. They get

807
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 1: sparked by this moment that was very improbable, and then

808
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:09,799
Speaker 1: they kind of get on this run. So I was

809
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 1: looking at it like, Okay, maybe now is when this

810
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:14,520
Speaker 1: offense is going to really start to click. Maybe now

811
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:17,400
Speaker 1: is when this defense will start to play better and

812
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 1: they'll get on a run. Obviously we know the next

813
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:22,919
Speaker 1: week they did not, but that that was the moment,

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Speaker 1: hold on, hold on, Ellen. If that's the moment y'all

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Speaker 1: have hope? Are y'all saying at this point now that

816
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Speaker 1: you know are you're saying you have absolutely no hope

817
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:34,399
Speaker 1: for this team. This team is hopeless. Yeah, because if

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00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:36,560
Speaker 1: that was the moment they gave you hope and then

819
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:39,359
Speaker 1: it didn't do all those things you were hoping to do,

820
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:42,279
Speaker 1: so that means, yeah, they're hopeless. Yeah. The only hope

821
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:43,799
Speaker 1: they got right now is that the rest of the

822
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:45,879
Speaker 1: division will be so bad that they will squeak into

823
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Speaker 1: the playoffs and then they will get a prompt exit

824
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Speaker 1: in the first round. I don't think they have the players.

825
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Speaker 1: I don't think they have the players to be able

826
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Speaker 1: to completely compete with those playoff teams in the NFL.

827
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Speaker 1: Right in the NFC. I think that maybe they can

828
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Speaker 1: win the NFC. E's just because the things we talked about.

829
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Speaker 1: I just don't think they have the players right now

830
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 1: because a lot of their great players are not available

831
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Speaker 1: to them. But I will throw out one other thing

832
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:07,880
Speaker 1: that I think, and these have been random moments throughout

833
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:10,600
Speaker 1: the season that you combine them all together should give

834
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 1: fans some hope. Is you look at this last draft

835
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 1: and there have been four players from that draft that

836
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:20,480
Speaker 1: at different moments this year you thought, huh, this guy's

837
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:23,080
Speaker 1: playing pretty well as a rookie you look at Ceedee Lamb,

838
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:26,120
Speaker 1: you look at Treyvon Diggs, you look at Neville Gallimore.

839
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Speaker 1: Even be honest, I just saw an article that said

840
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:31,759
Speaker 1: that he's ranked among one of the best rookies by

841
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:35,200
Speaker 1: Pro Football Focus. They do like a mid season all

842
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:38,200
Speaker 1: pro team, and he was on the all Rookie team

843
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:41,319
Speaker 1: as a you know, one of their designated players. And

844
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:43,319
Speaker 1: so I look at that, and that gives me some

845
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:45,640
Speaker 1: hope for the future that at least you look at

846
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:48,480
Speaker 1: this draft class and you say, there are flashes coming

847
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 1: from this draft class that if they keep developing these guys,

848
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:53,880
Speaker 1: they're not there yet. But if you keep developing these guys,

849
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:55,719
Speaker 1: you might have hit on at least four of the

850
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 1: players that you had in the draft that might turn

851
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:02,399
Speaker 1: out to be pretty good players for you down the road. Now,

852
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 1: imagine if you get to add like four or more

853
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 1: of those guys who were all taken at the top

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Speaker 1: of their respective rounds, right you know, right then you

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Speaker 1: then you're working with something, especially if they're on the

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Speaker 1: defensive side of the ball, which I think Nick made

857
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Speaker 1: a really good point earlier in the show, which is like,

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Speaker 1: it's it's not my job or my responsibility to care

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Speaker 1: where they go from here, Like, if they don't win

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Speaker 1: another game, I'll cover the whole thing. If they win

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Speaker 1: the division, I'll cover the whole thing. Like that's I

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Speaker 1: don't have to have a preference. But I understand the

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Speaker 1: appeal of people who are looking towards the draft, Like

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Speaker 1: I understand it absolutely. It'll be interesting to see which

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Speaker 1: way it goes. Yeah, I understand it too. I definitely

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Speaker 1: understand it, and it sounds you know, way better. But

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think you have to play it out

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Speaker 1: and see because, as you know, part of trying to

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Speaker 1: develop those young guys and develop a culture and all

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Speaker 1: that is going out and try to win the game,

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Speaker 1: you know, and win. I could see where the argument

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Speaker 1: would be about Eric Gilbert and Andy Dalton though it's like, well,

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Speaker 1: why don't you try to play Gilbert because he might

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Speaker 1: be a better future guy for you for our backup

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Speaker 1: than Andy Dalton. But I think if this divisions for

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Speaker 1: the take, and I think you owe it to everybody,

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Speaker 1: your veterans, your young guys, you owe it's everyone to

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Speaker 1: try to go out and win. Yeah, and I will

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Speaker 1: say this to Nick. I mean, we had a whole

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00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:24,920
Speaker 1: different opinion of Jason Garrett when he came in as

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Speaker 1: an interim and he got this team five wins down

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Speaker 1: the stretch. They went five and three down the stretch.

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Speaker 1: That tells you a lot about a coach in the situation.

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Speaker 1: And I would assume I wasn't in the locker room,

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Speaker 1: but I would assume those players had a little different

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Speaker 1: perspective of him as well. Whatever the perspective was before,

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Speaker 1: they probably respected him in a little different way to

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Speaker 1: get their team into a position to be able to

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Speaker 1: take a team that was one and seven to be

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Speaker 1: in five and three down the stretch. I think that

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Speaker 1: has a way of building the right kind of culture

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Speaker 1: and getting players to buy into the fact that this

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Speaker 1: guy knows what he's doing. If we can trust him,

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00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:58,839
Speaker 1: we might be able to do some good things. It

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Speaker 1: was so ironic because that's what happened when they needed

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Speaker 1: a new voice from Wade Phillips. It just wasn't working,

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Speaker 1: and Garrett came in and gave them a spark, a

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Speaker 1: new voice. And then the ironic part is ten years later,

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Speaker 1: you know they're doing okay average, but this team just

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00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:17,319
Speaker 1: needed a new voice, and so they decided to go

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Speaker 1: and make a change. But right now that voice isn't

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00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:23,240
Speaker 1: isn't helping them. I mean, Mike McCarthy and the staff

903
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:25,840
Speaker 1: that they're they're not all the experience and all that.

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Speaker 1: This team isn't help now that they're getting a ton

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Speaker 1: of injuries and all that. It's hard to really say

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Speaker 1: what McCarthy's doing. But but this new voice hasn't certainly

907
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 1: hasn't turned the page, and the Cowboys are better because

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00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:38,359
Speaker 1: of it, not yet at least, So that's a rap.

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Speaker 1: What we're gonna do is those other questions that you

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Speaker 1: had Amber saved those, We'll get into those times. A Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I have a bunch of questions that fans send in

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Speaker 1: and we'll save them for the week, maybe once every

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Speaker 1: day because you always say, oh, we'll have time for

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Speaker 1: paying questions and then we never do. But that's okay,

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Speaker 1: I'll keep them in the can. Let me just tell

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Speaker 1: you this, it's been over a week since our last game.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna have plenty of time time for fan questions Tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: We will have plenty of time unless Mike McCarthy breaks

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Speaker 1: some really really outstanding news this afternoon in his press conference.

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Speaker 1: I think we're gonna have a lot of time for

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Speaker 1: fan questions. Tomorrow. All right, we appreciate you guys, Joan Us.

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Speaker 1: We'll be back tomorrow. Till then for Nick Even Eatman,

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Speaker 1: Dave Hellman, Amber Garcia. I'm Derek Eagleton. This has been

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