1 00:00:02,040 --> 00:00:04,960 Speaker 1: Welcome everyone to the Thursday edition of Fair Territory. I'm 2 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:08,160 Speaker 1: Ken Rosenthal here with as you can see, the master 3 00:00:08,360 --> 00:00:11,840 Speaker 1: of the Foul Territory universe, Scott Braun. We are not 4 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:14,800 Speaker 1: with Alana Rizzo today for reasons that I will explain 5 00:00:15,440 --> 00:00:18,760 Speaker 1: later in the show. Good reasons, Scott. We've got a 6 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:21,240 Speaker 1: ton to talk about as the Winter Meetings approach. 7 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:24,880 Speaker 2: Yes we do, and I'm excited to see you briefly 8 00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:27,440 Speaker 2: at the Winter Meetings, running around covering the sport like 9 00:00:27,520 --> 00:00:30,440 Speaker 2: you do. But let's get into what's surfacing before that, 10 00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:33,360 Speaker 2: And Ken, I think we need to start with the 11 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:35,760 Speaker 2: biggest name in terms of who should command the most 12 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:39,240 Speaker 2: money this offseason. That's Kyle Tucker. And that's a little 13 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:42,080 Speaker 2: visit to a fancy facility in duned and Florida. What 14 00:00:42,120 --> 00:00:43,239 Speaker 2: else do you know? And do you think that the 15 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:46,000 Speaker 2: Blue Jays are serious candidates to be able to sign him? 16 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:49,080 Speaker 1: Well, this was a stunning report by Robert Murray last 17 00:00:49,159 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 1: night about this visit by Tucker to the Jays training complex, 18 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:55,720 Speaker 1: which is one of the best in d Need. It's 19 00:00:55,760 --> 00:00:59,640 Speaker 1: a selling point for the Blue Jays. Now, what's interesting 20 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 1: about this is that prior to last night, The Jay's 21 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:07,280 Speaker 1: interest in Tucker was kind of rumored, but it was 22 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:11,040 Speaker 1: never really confirmed or even seemed to be something that 23 00:01:11,080 --> 00:01:14,480 Speaker 1: the club was prioritizing. We know that they signed the 24 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:18,640 Speaker 1: two starting pitchers, d'lan cease and Cody Ponce. We didn't 25 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:20,880 Speaker 1: know exactly what they were doing on the position side, 26 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 1: but they had interest, perhaps in Tucker and certainly in 27 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:28,319 Speaker 1: resigning Boba set So this is a clear indication of 28 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:32,520 Speaker 1: their interest. Whether it indicates that they're going to sign Tucker, 29 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:34,959 Speaker 1: that remains to be seen. And let's not get carried 30 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:37,920 Speaker 1: away with that idea. You remember show he Otani a 31 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 1: couple of years ago visiting the Jay's training complex and 32 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:44,840 Speaker 1: Dunedin didn't sign. This is kind of a normal thing 33 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:48,200 Speaker 1: for players to do. And Kyle Tucker does live in Tampa, 34 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:50,760 Speaker 1: which is a short drive from duned and so really 35 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 1: for him, hop skip and a jump, no big deal 36 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 1: to go there. But at the same time, I don't 37 00:01:56,120 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 1: want to underplay this. The Jays are acting like behemoths 38 00:01:59,840 --> 00:02:03,160 Speaker 1: in this market, and this meeting with Tucker that took 39 00:02:03,160 --> 00:02:07,160 Speaker 1: place last night or yesterday, whenever exactly it was, that's 40 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:10,280 Speaker 1: an indication that they are thinking big. It also might 41 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:13,160 Speaker 1: be a message to Bobaschett, hey come down a little 42 00:02:13,160 --> 00:02:16,240 Speaker 1: bit in your price. There are all kinds of possibilities here, 43 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:18,960 Speaker 1: but the fact of the matter is he was into 44 00:02:19,040 --> 00:02:21,880 Speaker 1: Needon at their complex and that is news. 45 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:25,320 Speaker 2: That is definitely news, and I will give credit. We 46 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:28,359 Speaker 2: got to see this actually surface. If they signed Tucker 47 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:31,600 Speaker 2: or if they sign back Bobachhet, payroll will be high 48 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 2: for the Blue Jays. We certainly knock on this network 49 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:37,239 Speaker 2: teams when they cry poor and don't spend. The Blue 50 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:39,640 Speaker 2: Jays just had a banger postseason. I know they didn't 51 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:41,959 Speaker 2: win the World Series ken, but they clearly made a 52 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:44,399 Speaker 2: lot of money and it seems like they're reinvesting back 53 00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:46,680 Speaker 2: into the team. You mentioned in the story how they 54 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 2: were at about two forty ish mill for their opening 55 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:52,680 Speaker 2: day payroll. It seems like whether they get Tucker, Bishett 56 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:55,200 Speaker 2: or someone else, they're going to be tracking well ahead 57 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 2: of that number next year. 58 00:02:56,880 --> 00:02:59,239 Speaker 1: Yes, they're going to open with a club record payroll 59 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:02,960 Speaker 1: and it's right now. If they signed Tucker, likely will 60 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:05,520 Speaker 1: be over three hundred million opening day, which is not 61 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:08,880 Speaker 1: where the Jays have been. They've been a high payroll 62 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:12,040 Speaker 1: team in the past at various points early nineties when 63 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:14,400 Speaker 1: they were rolling. They had a big payroll back then, 64 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:17,840 Speaker 1: at least relative to the other clubs. But this is 65 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:22,760 Speaker 1: clearly an indication of their aggression and assertiveness in this 66 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:25,880 Speaker 1: off season. And let's have some fun here, Scott and 67 00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:29,240 Speaker 1: look at a projected lineup with Kyle Tucker in it, 68 00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:32,639 Speaker 1: because it's kind of an awesome thing to just consider it. 69 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:35,160 Speaker 1: Here it is. You can see it right there, Springer 70 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:38,600 Speaker 1: Tucker batting second right in front of Guerrero, Addison Barger 71 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:42,760 Speaker 1: behind them, than Kirk Santandre varshow Clement and him Menez. 72 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:45,720 Speaker 1: This is without Bobashed. I don't expect them to sign 73 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:50,000 Speaker 1: Tucker and Bobashed, but my goodness, it is a fascinating look. 74 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:53,600 Speaker 1: And that is a powerhouse lineup, no doubt about it. 75 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, that looks really good. And here's a team that's 76 00:03:56,360 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 2: going to be in a competitive division. Yankees always good, 77 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 2: Red Sox should be as good, if not better, this 78 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:03,720 Speaker 2: coming season, Oriols better. So good to see the Blue 79 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:05,560 Speaker 2: Jays getting involved on some of the big boys. 80 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:06,120 Speaker 1: I like it. 81 00:04:07,160 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 2: Let's move to the team they lost to, and that's 82 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:12,240 Speaker 2: the Dodgers, And I thought this stood out a Ton 83 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:15,360 Speaker 2: to me in your notes column this morning, to Oscar 84 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:18,480 Speaker 2: Hernandez is beloved in LA and we know he has 85 00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:22,720 Speaker 2: defensive deficiencies. Do you really think the Dodgers might dangle 86 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 2: him in trade talks? 87 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 1: Well, what I reported along with Patrick Mooney today is 88 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:32,360 Speaker 1: that his name has come up in trade conversation. Doesn't 89 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:36,400 Speaker 1: sound like it's terribly likely, but it's an intriguing thought 90 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:39,599 Speaker 1: for a couple of reasons. Yes, as you just mentioned Scott, 91 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:42,520 Speaker 1: their defense was lacking last year, Tao was one of 92 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:45,320 Speaker 1: the worst defensive right fielders in the game. But of 93 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:48,120 Speaker 1: course what else is he He has been one of 94 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:50,640 Speaker 1: their best hitters in the postseason the last two years, 95 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:53,719 Speaker 1: eight home runs combined for back to back World Series 96 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:57,240 Speaker 1: champions in the postseason, and one of the more consistent 97 00:04:57,320 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 1: hitters during the season as well. If you trade him 98 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:05,279 Speaker 1: at a point when you already need an outfielder, Confordo 99 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:08,320 Speaker 1: is not coming back, then you're down to outfielders and 100 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:11,440 Speaker 1: you'd have to shuffle some things around. Maybe play Payes 101 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:14,719 Speaker 1: in right where he could be elite Andy Payes, find 102 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:17,279 Speaker 1: a center fielder and just figure it out from there. 103 00:05:17,960 --> 00:05:20,040 Speaker 1: I'm not certainly going to do it in fact, I 104 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:22,839 Speaker 1: would say the odds are against them doing it. But 105 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:26,320 Speaker 1: it's interesting to hear that his name has come up 106 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:31,280 Speaker 1: because his contract gets complex, but it's relatively affordable. And 107 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:34,159 Speaker 1: let's say the Dodgers could get an outfielder back and 108 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:37,480 Speaker 1: then sign another one, then you have something going. And 109 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:40,599 Speaker 1: I don't know that this means in any way that 110 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:43,080 Speaker 1: they are going to be in the Kyle Tucker sweepstakes. 111 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:45,479 Speaker 1: Just seems to me his price is going to exceed 112 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:50,120 Speaker 1: their comfort level for him. But what if Byron Buxton 113 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:53,120 Speaker 1: becomes available, What if some other players that we aren't 114 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:56,800 Speaker 1: even focusing on are in the mixed trade wise, then 115 00:05:57,000 --> 00:06:00,480 Speaker 1: perhaps this becomes a viable thing. I don't necessarily expect 116 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:03,560 Speaker 1: it to happen, but his name has come up in conversations, 117 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:06,760 Speaker 1: and that to me was certainly interesting to hear. 118 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:10,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, Ken, My observation is that the Dodgers are in 119 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:12,640 Speaker 2: a place where they have someone who is going to 120 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:15,040 Speaker 2: DH every day for them and show Heyo Tani. I 121 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:17,800 Speaker 2: think Tao, if not a full time, is someone that 122 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 2: should at least be getting some serious DH consideration during 123 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:24,279 Speaker 2: a season. Maybe you even point to someone like Jordan 124 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:26,760 Speaker 2: Alvarez when he's healthy, He'll still play the outfield here 125 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:28,920 Speaker 2: and there, but you want him dhing most of the time. 126 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:31,360 Speaker 2: You want him dhing in the playoffs where you need 127 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:33,719 Speaker 2: your defense to be tight. The Dodgers are never going 128 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:35,000 Speaker 2: to be in that spot, and they're still on the 129 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:37,680 Speaker 2: hook for him for years. Do you think that they 130 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:39,520 Speaker 2: might be able to find a team that has a 131 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:42,000 Speaker 2: better space for him, a team that's looking for pop. 132 00:06:42,080 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 2: Like you mentioned, it's not easy to find the profile 133 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:46,720 Speaker 2: of Tao on the market right now. So there are 134 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:48,760 Speaker 2: teams out there that are like, hey, we could use 135 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:51,480 Speaker 2: this and we could put him in the outfield occasionally 136 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:53,479 Speaker 2: during the season. It's not going to kill us, but 137 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:55,479 Speaker 2: we also have the DH spot open for him. 138 00:06:56,120 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 1: I think that's a great call, Scott. And one team 139 00:06:59,760 --> 00:07:02,400 Speaker 1: that's stands out immediately, as just you were talking, there 140 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:05,760 Speaker 1: is a team that's pretty predominantly left handed, and it's Boston. 141 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:11,080 Speaker 1: Boston has, of course the desire to resign Alex Redman, 142 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:13,800 Speaker 1: a great right handed hitter, but if they don't, then 143 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 1: they're going to do some other things, and frankly, they're 144 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 1: looking for two bats. So that's just one team. I 145 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:23,320 Speaker 1: do believe you're right that another team can fit him 146 00:07:23,320 --> 00:07:26,360 Speaker 1: in better because of the DH spot being totally closed 147 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:30,440 Speaker 1: off in La. So I don't know again where this 148 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:33,600 Speaker 1: is going, but there are some interesting dynamics in play here. 149 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:36,720 Speaker 1: And obviously, if you lose Tayo, then you've got to 150 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:39,640 Speaker 1: find offense to replace him too, because he's been such 151 00:07:39,640 --> 00:07:42,080 Speaker 1: a meaningful part of their offense and he's also been 152 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:46,440 Speaker 1: a meaningful part of their clubhouse. But again the question becomes, Okay, 153 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:49,560 Speaker 1: if you trade him, then what are you doing to 154 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:52,520 Speaker 1: replace him? And I'm sure if the Dodgers even come 155 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:55,920 Speaker 1: close to considering this, they'll have some pretty intriguing thoughts 156 00:07:55,960 --> 00:07:56,760 Speaker 1: in mind. 157 00:07:57,280 --> 00:08:00,320 Speaker 2: That's funny you mentioned the Red Sox. It seems like 158 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:01,960 Speaker 2: they were in on him. I don't remember. I think 159 00:08:01,960 --> 00:08:03,760 Speaker 2: they actually publicly said that they were in on him, 160 00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:05,720 Speaker 2: that they missed out on him. Tayo was on our 161 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:07,600 Speaker 2: show soon after he signed. I think he mentioned that 162 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:10,360 Speaker 2: as well. So the fit makes even more sense when 163 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:12,680 Speaker 2: you consider that the team actually does like the player 164 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:13,280 Speaker 2: in the past. 165 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:18,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, they have, and again a lot has to happen 166 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 1: to get from point A to point B here, But 167 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:25,320 Speaker 1: teams consider all kinds of things in the offseason, things 168 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 1: that we don't even report or even hear about. It's 169 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:32,440 Speaker 1: a wide, wide variety. So this in that sense does 170 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:35,439 Speaker 1: not necessarily surprise me that his name is coming up, 171 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:39,480 Speaker 1: simply because, as you mentioned, they've got the DH set 172 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:42,800 Speaker 1: for I don't know, eight more years. That's not opening 173 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:46,120 Speaker 1: up tasker Hernandez. Even if you think he can play 174 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:49,240 Speaker 1: outfield a little bit. Now, well, what about in the 175 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:51,800 Speaker 1: final two years of that deal. I don't know how 176 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:54,000 Speaker 1: that happens. I'm sorry, the final year of that deal 177 00:08:54,040 --> 00:08:56,760 Speaker 1: after this one. He's got two years left right now. 178 00:08:57,559 --> 00:09:00,120 Speaker 2: M yeah, I know there's some crazy pervision and you 179 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:02,199 Speaker 2: should read the article for everyone listening right now in 180 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:04,320 Speaker 2: terms of if he gets hurt, then there's an option 181 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:06,080 Speaker 2: you're at at all that you can get into that 182 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:08,560 Speaker 2: in the article and the Athletic Ken's got it out right. Now, 183 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:11,280 Speaker 2: let's move to the other column that you put out 184 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:13,800 Speaker 2: this morning, and that regards the Hall of Fame. There's 185 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:17,080 Speaker 2: a big decision coming up this weekend with the Contemporary 186 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:20,520 Speaker 2: Committee that's going to try and vote in some players. 187 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:23,000 Speaker 2: But you need, I believe, twelve out of sixteen votes 188 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:25,320 Speaker 2: to go your way. But can you get into what 189 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:28,360 Speaker 2: you wrote about and how the landscape of how people 190 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:33,880 Speaker 2: are thinking about voting players in should change. 191 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:36,960 Speaker 1: Yes, Scott. So this idea that I had to write 192 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:39,480 Speaker 1: the article stemmed from the fact that Mattingly is on 193 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:42,720 Speaker 1: this contemporary era about and he is a guy who 194 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:46,720 Speaker 1: had a short peak in his career, but some people 195 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:49,880 Speaker 1: consider still Hall of Fame worthy, even though the writers 196 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:54,680 Speaker 1: for fifteen years snubbed him in the Coopers Down balloting. Now, 197 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:57,240 Speaker 1: there are a lot of layers to what I was 198 00:09:57,280 --> 00:10:00,200 Speaker 1: getting into here, but basically what I was saying is 199 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:04,240 Speaker 1: that as the game evolves and as players' careers are shorter, 200 00:10:04,679 --> 00:10:07,720 Speaker 1: pictures don't pitches deep into games. That's another element here, 201 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:12,680 Speaker 1: and position players and pictures both sometimes injuries force them 202 00:10:12,679 --> 00:10:17,199 Speaker 1: to retire prematurely. As this kind of thing keeps going 203 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:22,280 Speaker 1: on and it has now, we need as writers to 204 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:26,400 Speaker 1: consider these players with short high peaks in maybe a 205 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:28,600 Speaker 1: bigger sense than we have in the past. Who am 206 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:31,360 Speaker 1: I talking about? Chase Utley, who has done well in 207 00:10:31,400 --> 00:10:35,120 Speaker 1: his first two years on the ballot, David Wright, Dustin Pedroia, 208 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:38,679 Speaker 1: both of whose careers ended prematurely due to physical problems. 209 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:42,240 Speaker 1: And a guy like Felix Hernandez who just faded quickly, 210 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:45,920 Speaker 1: in part because the Mariners used him so heavily early 211 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:50,440 Speaker 1: in his career. These guys all had relatively short peaks, 212 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:53,880 Speaker 1: And what I say in the article is that generally speaking, 213 00:10:54,240 --> 00:10:57,280 Speaker 1: I prefer my Hall of famers to have longevity, to 214 00:10:57,280 --> 00:11:01,280 Speaker 1: have volume. Ten year dominance is kind of my prerequisite. 215 00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:03,959 Speaker 1: But maybe I need to rethink that, and maybe we 216 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:07,920 Speaker 1: just need to rethink in general how we view these 217 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:11,960 Speaker 1: players now. In the article I mentioned as well, Don 218 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:16,000 Speaker 1: Mattingly's statistics career wise are very similar to Kirby Pucketts. 219 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:19,280 Speaker 1: Kirby Puckett was another player whose career ended before it 220 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:22,479 Speaker 1: should have due to the glaucoma that caused your blindness 221 00:11:22,559 --> 00:11:27,600 Speaker 1: in his right eye. But Puckett got in first ballot, maddingly, 222 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:30,120 Speaker 1: never got in on the writer's ballot, and this is 223 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:33,200 Speaker 1: his fourth try on an eras committee. So it's going 224 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:35,840 Speaker 1: to be really interesting to see how the voters look 225 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:38,360 Speaker 1: at this on Sunday, and not just maddingly. Of course, 226 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:41,600 Speaker 1: Bonds and Clemens are on this ballot, Sheffield's on this ballot, 227 00:11:42,280 --> 00:11:44,920 Speaker 1: Dale Murphy is on this ballot. All kinds of players, 228 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:48,360 Speaker 1: eight of them really good ones, all worthy of consideration 229 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:51,000 Speaker 1: are going to be looked at Sunday. You see the 230 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:53,839 Speaker 1: list right there. Fernando Vealezuela. How could I forget him? 231 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:56,679 Speaker 1: Jeff Kent? I voted for him when he was eligible. 232 00:11:56,800 --> 00:12:00,800 Speaker 1: Carlos Delgado, a guy who got overlooked at position where 233 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 1: there was a lot of thunder in the two thousands 234 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:06,120 Speaker 1: when he was in his prime, but he put up 235 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:08,040 Speaker 1: some huge numbers as well. 236 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:12,120 Speaker 2: To me ken for the Veterans committee that votes, which 237 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:16,120 Speaker 2: is a totally separate process from the BBWAA, this is 238 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:18,360 Speaker 2: a stacked ballot. And even if you want to get 239 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:21,199 Speaker 2: rid of the bonds, Clemens debate and all that, it's 240 00:12:21,240 --> 00:12:24,199 Speaker 2: still a stacked ballot, like you mentioned, with Jeff Kent 241 00:12:24,280 --> 00:12:26,319 Speaker 2: getting a lot of love but not getting enough. And 242 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:29,040 Speaker 2: I think Delgado's underrated. So here I'll bring it to 243 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:33,120 Speaker 2: this from what you wrote about, would you vote for 244 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:34,760 Speaker 2: those particular players? 245 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:35,040 Speaker 1: Now? 246 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:38,240 Speaker 2: I know you did vote for Chase Utley last year, 247 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:40,600 Speaker 2: But then also I want to spin it to Murphy 248 00:12:40,679 --> 00:12:43,480 Speaker 2: and Mattingly, who you spent time writing about. 249 00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 1: Scott. I haven't thought about this year's ballot in great 250 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:51,000 Speaker 1: depth yet, and write and Perdoi are certainly two guys 251 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:54,200 Speaker 1: I'm going to look at more closely Felix too. Now, 252 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:56,960 Speaker 1: Mattingly and Murphy, do I believe they should be in 253 00:12:56,960 --> 00:12:58,480 Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame? Do I believe the Hall of 254 00:12:58,480 --> 00:13:02,959 Speaker 1: Fame would be their presence? I do. I don't believe 255 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:05,240 Speaker 1: that I voted for either during their eligibility, and I 256 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:09,120 Speaker 1: don't recall the specific reasons. Perhaps the ballot was too crowded. 257 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:12,440 Speaker 1: Perhaps I just didn't think their numbers were worthy, and 258 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:14,520 Speaker 1: that is why, of course they did not make it. 259 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 1: But you consider an entire baseball life, and in Manninglely's 260 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:21,400 Speaker 1: case in particular, twenty years more than that as a 261 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:24,880 Speaker 1: manager and coach, all the contributions to the game, he 262 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:28,079 Speaker 1: should be in in my opinion. And Dale Murphy, it's 263 00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:32,240 Speaker 1: a tougher one for me because that peak again was 264 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:34,200 Speaker 1: kind of short and he didn't have much that he 265 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:37,439 Speaker 1: did after age thirty two or so. But would the 266 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:39,720 Speaker 1: Hall of Fame be a worst place if Dale Murphy 267 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:41,720 Speaker 1: was in it? No, it wouldn't. All right, we are 268 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:43,160 Speaker 1: going to take a break down. We're going to be 269 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:45,760 Speaker 1: back Scott with the Dudes and Dorks of the week, 270 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:48,760 Speaker 1: a little different flavor this week. Right after this. 271 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:56,760 Speaker 2: Hey Ft is going to be at the Baseball Winter Meetings. Yes, 272 00:13:56,920 --> 00:14:00,200 Speaker 2: we'll be live doing our show one o'clock Eastern. We'll 273 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:02,760 Speaker 2: grab plenty of interviews before and after the show, mix 274 00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:05,760 Speaker 2: those into the show. We'll put those up on YouTube. 275 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:08,520 Speaker 2: You can listen to them wherever you get your podcasts. 276 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:11,240 Speaker 2: We're very excited to be there for all three days 277 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:14,800 Speaker 2: in Orlando, Florida, AJ's favorite city on the planet. So 278 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:17,959 Speaker 2: make sure you tune a little extra for Winter Meetings coverage. 279 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:18,400 Speaker 1: Next week. 280 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:19,960 Speaker 2: It's baseball the way it should be covered on the 281 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:20,760 Speaker 2: FT network. 282 00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:30,160 Speaker 1: Dude, dude, dude. 283 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:32,040 Speaker 2: All right, let's it dude to the week. 284 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:32,440 Speaker 1: Ken. 285 00:14:32,480 --> 00:14:34,280 Speaker 2: Would you like to go first? Or should I go first? 286 00:14:34,280 --> 00:14:36,840 Speaker 2: And I love the theme we're going with here, you. 287 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:39,720 Speaker 1: Know what, I'll go first. All of our dudes this 288 00:14:39,800 --> 00:14:42,080 Speaker 1: week look like ladies. And if you don't know the song, 289 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:44,560 Speaker 1: look it up. The dudes are dude debts and I'm 290 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:48,040 Speaker 1: going to start with our own. Alana Rizzo. Alana is 291 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:50,440 Speaker 1: not doing the show today for a very good reason. 292 00:14:50,880 --> 00:14:54,200 Speaker 1: G is being honored by the Italian American Baseball Federation 293 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:57,840 Speaker 1: tonight at their gallat in New York with their media Awards. 294 00:14:57,840 --> 00:15:01,040 Speaker 1: So Alana Rizzo. You see you right there. Distinguished career, 295 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:03,760 Speaker 1: to say the least, she is one of my do 296 00:15:03,880 --> 00:15:06,320 Speaker 1: debts of the week and the other this just came 297 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:10,440 Speaker 1: out yesterday Hazel May from Sportsnet. She received the Jack 298 00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:13,680 Speaker 1: Grainy Award from the Canadian Baseball Hall of Fame. That 299 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:17,360 Speaker 1: is for significant contributions to baseball in Canada through her 300 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:22,040 Speaker 1: life's work. Hazel, like Alana, very very deserving to do 301 00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:22,680 Speaker 1: debts for me. 302 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:26,000 Speaker 2: And what say you, Scott, I've got another one a 303 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:29,360 Speaker 2: due debt of the week, and that is my teammate 304 00:15:29,400 --> 00:15:32,160 Speaker 2: here at the FT Network, your teammate even more so 305 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:34,760 Speaker 2: over at the Athletic. Katie Wu, who has done a 306 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:37,680 Speaker 2: brilliant job covering the Cardinals on the beat for the 307 00:15:37,720 --> 00:15:40,800 Speaker 2: past five years, is still staying at the Athletic. She's 308 00:15:40,880 --> 00:15:44,920 Speaker 2: moving over to Los Angeles. She's from California. She's going 309 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:47,400 Speaker 2: to cover the Dodgers along with Fabian Ardaiya, so there'll 310 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:49,000 Speaker 2: be two of them on coverage there. And I just 311 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:51,360 Speaker 2: wanted to point out how brilliant of a job that 312 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:54,440 Speaker 2: Katie did for years. I think that she brought just 313 00:15:54,640 --> 00:15:58,040 Speaker 2: a different flavor of coverage. She's been great on Cardinal territory. 314 00:15:58,040 --> 00:16:01,560 Speaker 2: You'll see her in some future FI Network action coming up. 315 00:16:01,640 --> 00:16:03,520 Speaker 2: But I just wanted to give her a shout out 316 00:16:03,560 --> 00:16:07,360 Speaker 2: Ken as people should recognize her in the LA area 317 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:09,960 Speaker 2: and add her to their follow list and look out 318 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:10,920 Speaker 2: for her articles. 319 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:15,600 Speaker 1: Absolutely and Katie, like Fabian, went to Arizona State their 320 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:20,640 Speaker 1: great sports journalism program. Both great young journalists and it's 321 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:22,720 Speaker 1: a pleasure to work with them, to say the least, 322 00:16:22,760 --> 00:16:26,840 Speaker 1: in any medium. Yes, great dudes of the week. Yes, 323 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:27,480 Speaker 1: love it all. 324 00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:39,400 Speaker 2: Right, let's get to the Dorks. Two good candidates this 325 00:16:39,520 --> 00:16:41,400 Speaker 2: time around. I'll try and go first on this one. 326 00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:43,560 Speaker 2: I'd like to Cueue up a tweet to help me out. 327 00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:46,440 Speaker 2: Tis the season, Ken, But when I say that, I 328 00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:50,280 Speaker 2: mean tis the season to say I'm not as rich 329 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:52,840 Speaker 2: as you think I am with my major league ball club, 330 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:56,560 Speaker 2: and you expect the common folk everyone else in the 331 00:16:56,560 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 2: world to believe you. So we heard about the profit 332 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:02,920 Speaker 2: its situation for the Yankees. What a couple weeks ago. 333 00:17:03,280 --> 00:17:06,159 Speaker 2: Now let's bring in this report from Sean McAdam and 334 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:09,440 Speaker 2: Tyler Milliken, who's part of the Jared Cravis podcast team, 335 00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:12,199 Speaker 2: pointed this out. But anyway, here's the quote. According to 336 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:15,840 Speaker 2: Industry sources familiar with the organization's thinking. The Red Sox 337 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:19,520 Speaker 2: are okay going over the first CBT threshold set at 338 00:17:19,520 --> 00:17:21,520 Speaker 2: two hundred and forty four mil for twenty twenty six, 339 00:17:21,560 --> 00:17:26,800 Speaker 2: which would translate them to absorbing a modest financial loss, 340 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:30,480 Speaker 2: but with anything beyond that, there's a reluctance to incur 341 00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:34,640 Speaker 2: bigger deficits. I wonder how that got out there. Who 342 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:37,359 Speaker 2: knows the books and the finances, Who would be able 343 00:17:37,440 --> 00:17:41,439 Speaker 2: to speak on that and give information to someone. I 344 00:17:41,560 --> 00:17:43,560 Speaker 2: just have a hard time when this stuff comes out 345 00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:46,840 Speaker 2: ken believing that nobody, not even the Yankees or the 346 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:50,160 Speaker 2: Red Sox, are making money in Major League Baseball? Why 347 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:52,399 Speaker 2: own the team just for the love of the game. 348 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:55,240 Speaker 2: Feel bad for me. I'm the only one that can 349 00:17:55,280 --> 00:17:58,080 Speaker 2: own this team, take the losses and still try to 350 00:17:58,119 --> 00:18:01,119 Speaker 2: put it into the team to make it success. Pathetic, 351 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:03,439 Speaker 2: pathetic information that comes out this time of year. In 352 00:18:03,480 --> 00:18:05,199 Speaker 2: my mind, I don't think it has as much to 353 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:07,639 Speaker 2: do with, say, an illumine lockout in a year. I 354 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:10,439 Speaker 2: just think we always get this every offseason and it 355 00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:12,399 Speaker 2: helps to temper fan expectations. 356 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:16,160 Speaker 1: Oh, there are excuses every off season, and it's COVID 357 00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:18,840 Speaker 1: one year it's the TV money drying up another year. 358 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:22,320 Speaker 1: It's always something, and sometimes the excuses are more legitimate 359 00:18:22,359 --> 00:18:26,119 Speaker 1: than others. This one I question, especially in the first 360 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:30,920 Speaker 1: off season after you have unloaded Raphael Devers Hello. That 361 00:18:31,040 --> 00:18:36,040 Speaker 1: move was intended to create great financial flexibility in the future, 362 00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:39,760 Speaker 1: and suddenly that flexibility isn't as significant as we thought 363 00:18:39,800 --> 00:18:41,960 Speaker 1: it was. Eh, we're not buying now. I want to 364 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:44,600 Speaker 1: go to my dork of the week because it's a 365 00:18:44,600 --> 00:18:48,640 Speaker 1: familiar target to this program and it's one we haven't 366 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:53,320 Speaker 1: hit in the while. The Athletics, the Oakland, Sacramento, Las 367 00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:56,920 Speaker 1: Vegas Athletics, And let's take a look at the artists 368 00:18:57,080 --> 00:18:59,640 Speaker 1: rendering of their new ballpark in Las Vegas, and I'll 369 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:02,280 Speaker 1: show you why they are the dorks of the week, 370 00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:05,280 Speaker 1: because only the A's could pull this off. Now, I 371 00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:07,479 Speaker 1: don't know if we can zoom in on that person 372 00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:11,199 Speaker 1: wearing the jersey on the scoreboard, but that is not 373 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:15,720 Speaker 1: a Brent Rooker jersey that he's wearing. It's not a 374 00:19:15,800 --> 00:19:19,719 Speaker 1: jersey of any player on the Athletics. It's a Jose 375 00:19:20,040 --> 00:19:25,000 Speaker 1: Altuve jersey, a jersey on one of their biggest rivals 376 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:29,040 Speaker 1: in the division. So no Brett Rooker, no any other A. 377 00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:33,440 Speaker 1: But we've got Altuve showcased in this artists rendering. It's 378 00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:36,920 Speaker 1: a little thing compared to the injustices and criminal activity, 379 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:39,800 Speaker 1: not criminal activities, but various things that the A's have 380 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:43,159 Speaker 1: done in the past. But it's still dork of the 381 00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:46,640 Speaker 1: week merit, and it is dork of the week Oakland 382 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:49,080 Speaker 1: a's whatever they are, the as the Las Vegas as, 383 00:19:49,119 --> 00:19:51,879 Speaker 1: Sacramento a's darks of the week yet again. 384 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:55,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, easy one here, Ken, I mean, you're putting out renderings, 385 00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:57,640 Speaker 2: you're putting out a model, you're showing off the ballpark 386 00:19:57,640 --> 00:20:00,119 Speaker 2: cool and there's some really cool components. There is no 387 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:02,240 Speaker 2: faulting that, right. There are parts of the ballpark that 388 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:04,720 Speaker 2: looks super cool. Excited about that part. This isn't a 389 00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:08,200 Speaker 2: knock on Vegas. But when about a year ago John 390 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:10,640 Speaker 2: Fisher tells everyone how excited he is for Aaron Judge 391 00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:13,479 Speaker 2: to hit home runs in his ballpark in Sacramento. And 392 00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:16,479 Speaker 2: now one of the main photos here has jose Al 393 00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:18,359 Speaker 2: Tubay Jersey on. It's not like you have to really 394 00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:20,040 Speaker 2: go find it, right, It's not like they had fifty 395 00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:21,800 Speaker 2: thousand people in the seats and you find one al 396 00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:24,400 Speaker 2: Tuo Bay jersey like this is on the video screen 397 00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:26,720 Speaker 2: on both sides of this photo. 398 00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:29,640 Speaker 1: It's just it's so ridiculous. 399 00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:31,879 Speaker 2: It's so John Fisher and company. 400 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:34,479 Speaker 1: A pretty easy fix to find the picture of an 401 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:38,840 Speaker 1: athletics player and put that on the board. Put a 402 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:41,680 Speaker 1: fan with a jersey from an athletics player. Yes, they 403 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:45,040 Speaker 1: do exist, not that hard, Scott Man. Hey, thanks for 404 00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:47,280 Speaker 1: helping out today, Alta. We hope you have a great 405 00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:49,679 Speaker 1: time tonight. We are going to be back with grilling 406 00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:52,880 Speaker 1: Ken right after this bet. 407 00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:56,200 Speaker 2: I'm JM account holders today. How about an any sport 408 00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:58,760 Speaker 2: parlay boost token. You can score a bigger payout if 409 00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:00,879 Speaker 2: your wager with that token. Hey, Its tokens can be 410 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:04,320 Speaker 2: used on parlays and on same game parlays. Gambling problem 411 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:07,880 Speaker 2: or concerned, there's help called one eight hundred gambler. 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First question comes from Mike G fifteen, who says, 422 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:47,359 Speaker 1: could you see the twins moving Ryan and Buxton in 423 00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:50,080 Speaker 1: the same deal? What would it take from a team 424 00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:52,200 Speaker 1: like the Mets or Cubs who could use a frontline 425 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:57,280 Speaker 1: starter and outfielder replacement. Okay, the Twins right now are 426 00:21:57,520 --> 00:22:00,280 Speaker 1: a mystery. And I've said this I believe on our 427 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:05,040 Speaker 1: show and also on FT there is not clarity yet 428 00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:08,240 Speaker 1: on how they are going to operate this off season. 429 00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:10,200 Speaker 1: And when I say there's not clarity, I don't mean 430 00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:13,880 Speaker 1: not clarity coming to reporters about their plans. I mean 431 00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:18,080 Speaker 1: clarity within their own organization. I don't know that they 432 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:20,399 Speaker 1: know what they're going to do. They're working through it. 433 00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:22,840 Speaker 1: What I was told this week is that they'll have 434 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:27,320 Speaker 1: clarity by the winter meetings. Okay, it's probably a good 435 00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:29,680 Speaker 1: idea to have clarity by the winter meetings. So the 436 00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:32,760 Speaker 1: question then becomes, and to the question that the person 437 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:36,080 Speaker 1: is asking there, where are they going to go? Which 438 00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:39,240 Speaker 1: way are they going to go? I don't necessarily expect 439 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:43,720 Speaker 1: them to trade Ryan Buxton, maybe Pablo Lopez. It seems 440 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:46,359 Speaker 1: to me that there are factions in the Twins organization 441 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:48,639 Speaker 1: that want to start building the team back up again. 442 00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:52,239 Speaker 1: Good ideas since you've alienated your fan base and then 443 00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:54,560 Speaker 1: there are ownership questions. They just took on the two 444 00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:56,800 Speaker 1: new investors. How much are they going to spend all 445 00:22:56,840 --> 00:23:00,560 Speaker 1: of that but to keep going backwards? If they do that, 446 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:04,600 Speaker 1: then yes, Ryan becomes available, Buckston becomes available. They're probably 447 00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:09,040 Speaker 1: more valuable separately than they would be together. All right, 448 00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:11,280 Speaker 1: let's go to the next question. What I mean there 449 00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:15,119 Speaker 1: is separately in trades than they would be in one package. 450 00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:18,080 Speaker 1: Next question, this one comes from Bernie Suarez who asked, 451 00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:20,760 Speaker 1: can you elaborate on the case for Valenzuela in the 452 00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:23,080 Speaker 1: Hall of Fame? I know there are many fans of 453 00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:27,160 Speaker 1: Mexican descent, like myself that became fans because of him. Bernie, 454 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:33,160 Speaker 1: great question, And Fernando Valezuela like Murphy, like Maddingly, would 455 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:35,680 Speaker 1: he elevate the Hall of Fame? Yes, he would elevate 456 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:38,560 Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame. For a moment in time, Fernando 457 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:41,399 Speaker 1: Vealezuela was the hottest thing in the sport, and like 458 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:44,000 Speaker 1: some of the others, you could say his peak was shorter. 459 00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:47,720 Speaker 1: He certainly didn't get to the major numbers in longevity 460 00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:51,560 Speaker 1: that you like to see. But Fernando Valezuela had a 461 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:54,679 Speaker 1: huge impact on the sport, and in my view, that 462 00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:59,320 Speaker 1: should be taken into consideration in Hall of Fame balloting. Now, 463 00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:01,360 Speaker 1: he didn't get in on the writer's ballot. That's why 464 00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:04,560 Speaker 1: he's on the Eras Committee ballot, and we'll see how 465 00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:07,879 Speaker 1: it goes. But when you ask these questions, do I 466 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:10,679 Speaker 1: think he belongs, Well, obviously I didn't get in on 467 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:14,359 Speaker 1: the writer's baouot, okay, But if they put him in now, 468 00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:16,960 Speaker 1: it would be good. It would be a good thing, 469 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:20,480 Speaker 1: and I would be quite pleased to see Fernando Vealezuela 470 00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:26,520 Speaker 1: in Cooperstown. All right, Next question, this one comes from 471 00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:30,200 Speaker 1: Let's get to It's Sicilian eighty seven. I love these names. 472 00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:32,600 Speaker 1: A lot of money coming off the books for Toronto 473 00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:35,720 Speaker 1: next year. True. Do you think they'll tolerate one year 474 00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:38,520 Speaker 1: of an ultra high payroll? Yes, that seems to be 475 00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:41,359 Speaker 1: the way that they're going with the signings of Cease 476 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:45,520 Speaker 1: and Ponce and then perhaps another big signing in store, 477 00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:48,399 Speaker 1: whether it's Tucker or Boschette. Again, I do not expect 478 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:51,159 Speaker 1: them to do both. But with that money coming off 479 00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:55,439 Speaker 1: the books after next year, yes, they can operate in 480 00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:57,840 Speaker 1: the way that they're doing, and that is perhaps not 481 00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:01,320 Speaker 1: even perhaps that is one reason why they're going this way. 482 00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:05,680 Speaker 1: Next question comes from armand is amazing. Who asks, besides 483 00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:08,400 Speaker 1: the Mets, Blue Jays and Dodgers, what other teams will 484 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:11,800 Speaker 1: be in on Edwin Diaz Armond, I'd like to know 485 00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:15,240 Speaker 1: the answer to that myself, because I don't know now. 486 00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:19,240 Speaker 1: Diaz is an interesting case. The Mets obviously this week 487 00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:23,320 Speaker 1: signed Devin Williams as kind of protection against the loss 488 00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:25,679 Speaker 1: of DZ. If they get Daz back, great, They've got 489 00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:28,480 Speaker 1: a dynamic one two punch at the end of games. 490 00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:31,520 Speaker 1: If they don't, certainly Devin Williams can close, though it's 491 00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:35,680 Speaker 1: not as good a bullpen without Daz. Let's not mistake 492 00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:38,679 Speaker 1: that the Blue Jays we do know have been linked 493 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:43,159 Speaker 1: to Edwin Diaz and the Dodgers. I can expect that 494 00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:46,840 Speaker 1: they be in, but probably only if his market collapses. 495 00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:49,679 Speaker 1: I don't see them doing another multi year for reliever 496 00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:52,879 Speaker 1: after they gave Tanner Scott four years seventy two million 497 00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:57,359 Speaker 1: last offseason. So when we look at this and say, okay, 498 00:25:57,400 --> 00:25:59,840 Speaker 1: which teams are in? Who else can be in? Maybe 499 00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:02,679 Speaker 1: he doesn't have a market, and certainly the qualifying offer 500 00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:05,720 Speaker 1: is something that hurts all players who get it to 501 00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:09,480 Speaker 1: some extent. But I don't ever buy that an elite 502 00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:12,159 Speaker 1: talent like a Diaz or any other player at that 503 00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:15,359 Speaker 1: caliber does not have a market. Now, he might not 504 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:17,480 Speaker 1: have a market at the level that he wants to 505 00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:19,920 Speaker 1: be at. But let's say the price drops. Let's say 506 00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:22,640 Speaker 1: it's not five years one hundred, Let's say it goes 507 00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:25,960 Speaker 1: to four years, maybe even to three. Then teams would 508 00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:29,520 Speaker 1: jump in. And again it's difficult to predict. I always 509 00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:33,280 Speaker 1: tell you guys this that free agency it's almost impossible 510 00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:35,560 Speaker 1: to predict in many cases because teams come out of 511 00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:38,840 Speaker 1: nowhere and teams do things that you don't expect. But 512 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:42,359 Speaker 1: does Edwin Diaz have a market? Yes? I believe he does, 513 00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:46,280 Speaker 1: so we'll find out in short order. I would expect 514 00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:49,600 Speaker 1: where he's coming, but at this point just don't know 515 00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:52,800 Speaker 1: beyond those teams which other ones are involved. All right, 516 00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:55,280 Speaker 1: one more question before we go. This one comes from 517 00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:58,440 Speaker 1: Christian Avilis one, two, three Ken who are the front 518 00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:02,440 Speaker 1: runners for Tetsuga am I Now. In our notes column today, 519 00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:05,199 Speaker 1: Patrick Mooney and I we wrote about am I and 520 00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:08,560 Speaker 1: Patrick in assembling that it was his note for the 521 00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:11,920 Speaker 1: most part, pointed out that am I as a guy 522 00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:16,159 Speaker 1: that is not necessarily wedded to any one part of 523 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:18,920 Speaker 1: the country or any one team or anything like that. 524 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:21,560 Speaker 1: He is open minded. That was the point of what 525 00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:25,240 Speaker 1: Patrick wrote. Three East Coast teams I can see being 526 00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:28,800 Speaker 1: in on Ami for sure, both New York teams the 527 00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:33,200 Speaker 1: Yankees could use another starter. Not necessarily an absolute must, 528 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:35,520 Speaker 1: but man, it would be great if they got one more. 529 00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:39,080 Speaker 1: The Mets, we know they need an ace, and certainly 530 00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:41,719 Speaker 1: they were in on Yamamoto, as were the Yankees and 531 00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:44,440 Speaker 1: the Phillies. Another team that was in on Yamamoto two 532 00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:47,800 Speaker 1: years ago also figured to be in the My Sweet stake. 533 00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:51,520 Speaker 1: So those are three teams we've heard. San Francisco is out, 534 00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:55,240 Speaker 1: But here is a guy that can be a difference 535 00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:58,840 Speaker 1: maker and the best Japanese pitcher coming aboard this year. 536 00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:01,639 Speaker 1: I would expect he's going to do quite well in 537 00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:04,880 Speaker 1: free agencies. So with that, I want to thank everyone 538 00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:08,440 Speaker 1: for watching, for listening, for however, you consume our wonderful 539 00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:10,800 Speaker 1: product here. I also want to thank Scott again for 540 00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:13,880 Speaker 1: joining us as co host. Have a great weekend everyone, 541 00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:16,439 Speaker 1: and the next time we speak will be from the 542 00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:22,040 Speaker 1: Winter Meetings in Orlando coming up Monday. Unfair Territory