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Speaker 1: the Volume and the Colin Cowherd Podcast. Well, the first

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Speaker 1: one with Maverick Carter. You know what I love about

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Speaker 1: the volume is I'm going to interview people on my

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Speaker 1: time and this becomes your time hopefully that a lot

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Speaker 1: of times I couldn't get. And what's great about podcasting

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Speaker 1: is Maverick Carter was in Cobbo on vacation and today

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Speaker 1: Troy Aikman is taking his daughter on some college trips,

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Speaker 1: and we said, hey, can we get can we have

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Speaker 1: thirty forty minutes squeezed in there? Troy and as Owa's

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Speaker 1: Troy Aikman is there for us, and I hope you

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Speaker 1: enjoy it all right. In twenty fifteen, I left ESPN

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Speaker 1: and I came over to Fox and I was going

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Speaker 1: to do a show and I asked my Fox bosses,

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Speaker 1: I said, Hey, for a first guest, could you get

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Speaker 1: me Troy Aikman and they said, well, he's in Dallas,

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Speaker 1: and I said, oh bummer. But Troy was nice enough

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Speaker 1: to actually get on a plane, fly out to Los

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Speaker 1: start the volume and my first big football guest is

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Speaker 1: Troy Aikman for the volume. So the first question Troy

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Speaker 1: is do you believe you actually deserve more credit for

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Speaker 1: my career than you've been given so far? No. I'm like, hey,

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Speaker 1: I'm just happy that you're you're still telling that story.

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Speaker 1: I'll take it. Um. So you know, you're when I

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Speaker 1: think of you know, I think of good dad, good husband, businessman, leader.

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Speaker 1: That's kind of how I view you. I've said before

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Speaker 1: you look like a cowboy quarterback, could look you are

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Speaker 1: rock solid human being. And then I look at this

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl week and I think to myself, oh lord,

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Speaker 1: all these parties and all this media crap. When you

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Speaker 1: went to Super Bowls, were you sitting in your room

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Speaker 1: thinking can we just get to the game already? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't get out at all. Um during

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Speaker 1: and he reached out to some other guys that had

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Speaker 1: the week as normal as I could, and so I

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Speaker 1: our our our team was pretty decorated. As you know.

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Speaker 1: They like to get out and have a good time, yes,

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Speaker 1: and a lot of those guys did. Now, fortunately it

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Speaker 1: the game, but yeah, I was it was a tough week.

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Speaker 1: I think it's hard on these quarterbacks. There's so much

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Speaker 1: better than anybody. You know. It's it's funny you say this.

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Speaker 1: I don't think you've ever been given credit for this.

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Speaker 1: And I'm not sucking up. Brady had such a strong leader.

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Speaker 1: England Okay, you had Barry Switcher who can be fun

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Speaker 1: A lot of those cowboy players were fun and loose.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes you had to be the bad cop and you

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Speaker 1: played the role. Well, what were there dances, Troy that

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Speaker 1: when I have something to say, and and and I do.

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Speaker 1: Colin have a number of people say that to us,

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Speaker 1: offensive football. I mean, I can see why defenses have

427
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Speaker 1: so much trouble with it because, like a quarterback, there's

428
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Speaker 1: an internal clock that you know that, Okay, even though

429
00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:07,240
Speaker 1: I've got protection, you just start getting nancy if the

430
00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:09,560
Speaker 1: ball's not coming out and you know protection is going

431
00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:12,240
Speaker 1: to break down. Well, the same thing holds true for

432
00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:15,280
Speaker 1: defensive backs. They know that that there's a clock in

433
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Speaker 1: their head and they know the ball's got to come

434
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Speaker 1: out of the quarterback's hands. But these guys are so fast,

435
00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:22,040
Speaker 1: they get so far down the field they run so

436
00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:26,280
Speaker 1: many different concepts within their routes that it's it's fun

437
00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:28,760
Speaker 1: to watch. I mean, it really is. And I think

438
00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:33,399
Speaker 1: you're doing a Patrick Mahomes and name the top quarterbacks,

439
00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:35,560
Speaker 1: but we're talking about Patrick Mahomes. You're doing him at

440
00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:40,520
Speaker 1: disservice if you don't have this stable of receivers and

441
00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:43,040
Speaker 1: skill players that allow him to be the great player

442
00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:50,200
Speaker 1: that he is. You've had so much success player broadcaster,

443
00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:58,399
Speaker 1: and I've thought about this general John Lynch made the move. Now,

444
00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:01,000
Speaker 1: John was also not a number one broadcaster. You've gotten

445
00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:02,560
Speaker 1: to a point now where you get to work with

446
00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:05,199
Speaker 1: Joe Bucket, you get the number one team. It's the

447
00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:08,480
Speaker 1: best job. I mean, the Fox job you have is

448
00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:11,200
Speaker 1: the best job for a football player in the world.

449
00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:13,840
Speaker 1: I really believe that. I think our production levels are

450
00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:19,440
Speaker 1: really good. But the general manager thing. You ever spend

451
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Speaker 1: a night you have a cocktail with your wife and

452
00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:24,560
Speaker 1: you think kind of fun to run a team? Have

453
00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:28,560
Speaker 1: you thought about you? Have you had private conversations? Yeah,

454
00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:32,359
Speaker 1: I think you know, my youngest graduates this year and

455
00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:36,480
Speaker 1: from high school, so for the first time, really, if

456
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Speaker 1: I wanted to pursue that, I always thought when I

457
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Speaker 1: got out of football from playing that. Eventually that's what

458
00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:44,520
Speaker 1: I would do. Right, broadcast for a few years, and

459
00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:48,159
Speaker 1: eventually I would do that. My personal circumstances changed and

460
00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:50,199
Speaker 1: I really needed to be available to my kids and

461
00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:53,000
Speaker 1: there is not a better job than broadcasting to be

462
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Speaker 1: around a young to be around young kids and raise them.

463
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Speaker 1: So but I also know, now I'm fifty four years old.

464
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Speaker 1: I've said it before. I love the job that I

465
00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:06,720
Speaker 1: have for all the reasons you just said. It is

466
00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:11,000
Speaker 1: a great job. But I do think that twenty years

467
00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:13,119
Speaker 1: from now, if I look back on my life and

468
00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:16,359
Speaker 1: I say, you know, I wish I think if I

469
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Speaker 1: don't do it, I think I will say, man, I

470
00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:22,560
Speaker 1: wish i'd given that a shot, or I wonder if

471
00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:24,680
Speaker 1: I would have been any good at that, And so

472
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Speaker 1: I think it's more of an First of all, I

473
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Speaker 1: think I'd be really good if I did it. I've

474
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Speaker 1: never gone into anything not expecting to be successful. Working

475
00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:38,560
Speaker 1: hard doesn't phase me, so I'd put in a whatever

476
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Speaker 1: amount of time was required. But with all that being said,

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Speaker 1: is it the life that I want? Is it the

478
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Speaker 1: life I want? And that's what I can't answer. I'm

479
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Speaker 1: confident that if I decided that I wanted to pursue

480
00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:55,800
Speaker 1: that I could contact half a dozen people at different

481
00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:58,119
Speaker 1: teams that I know and say, hey, I'd like to

482
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Speaker 1: come work for your organization. If there's a spot for me,

483
00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:02,320
Speaker 1: you don't even have to pay me. I just want

484
00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:05,240
Speaker 1: to come in and work and learn the craft and

485
00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:07,479
Speaker 1: put myself in a position to where if I decide

486
00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:09,040
Speaker 1: that I want to be a GM and run a

487
00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:10,919
Speaker 1: team all by myself, that I can do that. And

488
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:13,240
Speaker 1: I feel that within a couple of years I'd be

489
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Speaker 1: fully prepared and ready to do it. But I'd be

490
00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:19,320
Speaker 1: given up a lot. And that's what I'm That's what

491
00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:21,480
Speaker 1: I'm not willing to say I'm ready to do just yet.

492
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Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting, Troy. You're aspirational, You're an achiever.

493
00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:29,719
Speaker 1: And some people have will and no talent. Some have

494
00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:32,920
Speaker 1: talent and no will. You're a rare, you're an a Yeah. Both.

495
00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:37,560
Speaker 1: And do you struggle to ever give yourself time? Do

496
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Speaker 1: you struggle to just say, take your wife, We're going

497
00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:44,080
Speaker 1: six days, I'm not watching TV. I'm not watching anything.

498
00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:46,720
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go golf and be with my wife as

499
00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:50,919
Speaker 1: an a Do you ever struggle with that? Yes? I

500
00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:54,080
Speaker 1: what I really struggle with is, uh, you know, I

501
00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:56,480
Speaker 1: work out every day. I struggle with not working out.

502
00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:58,960
Speaker 1: I mean I need to, I need to take days off.

503
00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:01,760
Speaker 1: I need breaks, I need you know, some of those

504
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:05,440
Speaker 1: some of those mental vacations that you're talking about. And

505
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:09,399
Speaker 1: and it's, uh, it's hard, I you know, I in

506
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:15,080
Speaker 1: my life the word contentment has always been a four

507
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Speaker 1: letter word. Yet yet I admire those who have found contentment.

508
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:23,240
Speaker 1: I really do because because because of all the reasons

509
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Speaker 1: you just said, as it relates to me. That's why

510
00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:28,119
Speaker 1: Jimmy Johnson in that regard has been somewhat of a

511
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Speaker 1: role model for me because he knew at a really

512
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:33,320
Speaker 1: young age what made him happy, and what made him

513
00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:36,160
Speaker 1: happy was being there in the floor to keys fishing.

514
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Speaker 1: And he retired at a time when he could have

515
00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:41,159
Speaker 1: made a lot more money and could have been a

516
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:43,560
Speaker 1: GM could he could be a consultant for a team

517
00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:45,440
Speaker 1: right now and make a ton of money and never

518
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:49,080
Speaker 1: have to leave the keys. But you know, he is

519
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:53,000
Speaker 1: doing what he wants to do. He's perfectly content, and

520
00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:55,880
Speaker 1: I admire the hell out of that. And and I hope,

521
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Speaker 1: I hope that I'm able to get there. I'm slowing

522
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Speaker 1: down a little bit. I am starting to find, you know,

523
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 1: those moments of stillness. I've worked hard at that, um

524
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:07,200
Speaker 1: but I hope to improve on that and get better

525
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:09,119
Speaker 1: at it. By the way, I was looking at your shirt,

526
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:11,920
Speaker 1: your arms, you're not you. You got veins, so you

527
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:16,080
Speaker 1: you're not taking many days off. That's what I aspire

528
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Speaker 1: to at fifty seven years old. You're also you're a dad,

529
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:22,040
Speaker 1: and I know enough people that know you. You're a

530
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:27,280
Speaker 1: You're a really good father. And I have a daughter,

531
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:33,560
Speaker 1: and I always worry about the corrosiveness of Facebook and Instagram.

532
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:37,040
Speaker 1: I don't with my son. He just he laughs at it.

533
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:41,000
Speaker 1: But boy, it's punitive to my daughter. Uh, it's it's

534
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:44,760
Speaker 1: how do you handle that? And again, this is private,

535
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:48,200
Speaker 1: and if you're uncomfortable, I get it. But daughters, I

536
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:52,239
Speaker 1: can't relate because I didn't go through their life. I

537
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 1: have learned so much from my daughter. I feel like

538
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:57,800
Speaker 1: I'm a better human because of my daughter. But I

539
00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:01,199
Speaker 1: do worry about the anger and the kind of the

540
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:05,440
Speaker 1: harsh reality of social and and but I don't want

541
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:09,119
Speaker 1: to limit my daughter's ability to be social. If you

542
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:14,280
Speaker 1: ever had those discussions with your daughter a little bit Colin.

543
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:17,280
Speaker 1: We've had a lot of discussions about a lot of topics.

544
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:22,920
Speaker 1: Social media, for the most part, hasn't been a It

545
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:27,040
Speaker 1: hasn't been a problem for my girls as best I

546
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:30,439
Speaker 1: can tell. Now, they're active. I mean they're active with it.

547
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:33,520
Speaker 1: They've got their friends, they got Snapchat, and now there's TikTok.

548
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:36,520
Speaker 1: There's always there's always something. And when I first started

549
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:39,960
Speaker 1: on social media really was to try to keep up

550
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:42,560
Speaker 1: with them. What you learn is that as parents, you

551
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:44,760
Speaker 1: can try, but you really can't keep up with them,

552
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:47,240
Speaker 1: and so you just try to set some ground rules

553
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 1: and it's it's it's not easy to do. It's really

554
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:53,120
Speaker 1: not I mean, we all get consumed with it, and

555
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:55,680
Speaker 1: we all spend more time on it than we probably should.

556
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:58,240
Speaker 1: But for young kids and they're developing and they're get

557
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:02,040
Speaker 1: finding out you know, their identities and really their confidence

558
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 1: and you know who they are and all that, Yeah,

559
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 1: it can be uh, it can be brutal, but uh,

560
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 1: the social media angle has not really been a problem. Uh.

561
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 1: I'm I'm I only know girls. Uh, I'm I love

562
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:21,360
Speaker 1: the father daughter relationship. It's the greatest. I'm not having

563
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 1: any more kids, but if I were, I'd want more girls.

564
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:27,880
Speaker 1: I really would, And and I say that not having

565
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:29,720
Speaker 1: any boys. I'm sure if I had a son, i'd

566
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:32,800
Speaker 1: say this is awesome too. But I just love that

567
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 1: whole dynamic and my girls, uh, they they were you know,

568
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:39,040
Speaker 1: and all the things when you talk about whatever I've

569
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:43,480
Speaker 1: accomplished or whatever I've done, When when life comes to

570
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:45,240
Speaker 1: an end, if they say, Dad, you were great, you

571
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:49,080
Speaker 1: were the best, you were great, then then then my

572
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:51,920
Speaker 1: life's fulfilled, you know. I mean that's because they're the ones.

573
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 1: I always believe that our kids, and our and our

574
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:56,760
Speaker 1: family and our friends, those who know us best are

575
00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:59,160
Speaker 1: going to tell our legacy. And I'm proud of those.

576
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:02,240
Speaker 1: I'm proud of the years with the Cowboys, but that

577
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:05,520
Speaker 1: was a long time ago, and I'd like to think

578
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:07,720
Speaker 1: that I'm having a bigger impact than other areas, and

579
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:11,080
Speaker 1: hopefully the biggest being with my girls. Yeah. I always

580
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:12,640
Speaker 1: thought when I had kids, I was going to teach

581
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:16,040
Speaker 1: him something, and I haven't taught him everything. But I

582
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 1: gotta tell you something, the simplicity of young kids. They

583
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:24,080
Speaker 1: keep me grounded. They they show me the little things.

584
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 1: Like I think I've learned so much from my kids,

585
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:30,800
Speaker 1: and it's generally been a very It's been simple stuff

586
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:33,840
Speaker 1: like Dad, this is funny. You gotta laugh, and I

587
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:36,680
Speaker 1: don't know what I do without kids. Well, I think

588
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:39,920
Speaker 1: that you're probably selling yourself way short, because I think

589
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:42,320
Speaker 1: we all I think there's a tendency for all of

590
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:46,480
Speaker 1: us to not be so sure we've really done enough

591
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 1: for our kids, taught him enough for whatever it is.

592
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:51,520
Speaker 1: And then like even my girls will bring something up

593
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:54,000
Speaker 1: and you're like, wow, they caught that. You know, I

594
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:55,960
Speaker 1: didn't even know I really made a big feel about that,

595
00:30:56,040 --> 00:31:00,200
Speaker 1: but they catch it. Yeah, so that's pretty cool. It is. Well, way,

596
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:02,960
Speaker 1: this has been great. Um, you know, you've always been

597
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 1: so kind to me, and I just love this and

598
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 1: some of this stuff, you know, was personal, and hell,

599
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:11,040
Speaker 1: I probably shouldn't have gone down all these alleys, but

600
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:13,560
Speaker 1: I find you. I find you so much more than

601
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 1: a football guy. You know. I tell people this all

602
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 1: the time. It's very easy to do what I do.

603
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 1: I just talk. You have to say eight seconds of

604
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 1: brilliance three hundred and forty two times every Sunday. Have

605
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 1: you ever gotten into a horrible game with Buck and

606
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:31,760
Speaker 1: you look at each other midway through the second and

607
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 1: you're like, how the hell, am I going to get

608
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:37,240
Speaker 1: through the next two hours? Yeah? Yeah? For you know,

609
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:40,760
Speaker 1: I remember years ago, Colin, when I was getting into

610
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 1: this business, because when when I was wondering if I

611
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:48,320
Speaker 1: was going to get into broadcasting, I really I'm not

612
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:50,720
Speaker 1: someone who just can just like I couldn't do what

613
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:54,160
Speaker 1: you do. I couldn't just talk without getting any real feedback,

614
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 1: you know. I just talk for hours at a time.

615
00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:59,480
Speaker 1: And so I would say, Man, I don't know, like

616
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 1: if I don't have something to say, I'm worried that

617
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 1: like there's gonna be this dead air that I'm gonna

618
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 1: just have to talk all the time, even when I

619
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:08,600
Speaker 1: don't have anything to say. And Matt Millen said to me,

620
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 1: he said, Troy, these play by play guys, you don't

621
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:13,600
Speaker 1: have to worry about that if you have nothing to say,

622
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 1: they'll be more than happy to feel in, you know,

623
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:17,720
Speaker 1: and say all the things that need to be said.

624
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 1: And I find that to be true. And Joe and

625
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:22,400
Speaker 1: I have talked about it. I've said now, I said, Joe, Man,

626
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:24,520
Speaker 1: I don't want to leave you hanging. We'll go to commercial. Said,

627
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 1: I mean, I didn't mean to leave you hanging there,

628
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 1: but I just I just don't have a lot to

629
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 1: say right now, you know about what's happening out there.

630
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 1: I mean, this isn't real good. He's like, hey, that's good,

631
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:37,720
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, we all in this business. Now,

632
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:39,520
Speaker 1: you couldn't get away with it. But in our business,

633
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 1: people are tuned into a game, and sometimes we all

634
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:45,040
Speaker 1: feel like we've got to feel this dead air. And

635
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:46,960
Speaker 1: I don't know that if you're a viewer at home

636
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 1: that you really feel that that has to be filled.

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Speaker 1: You're watching the screen, you know you have something that's

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Colin, appreciate somebuddy. All right, thanks man, you

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Speaker 1: got it all right. One of my favorite guys I've

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Speaker 1: This is something that I think I told you it's

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Speaker 1: going to grow. We've got really incredible people. But this

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Speaker 1: is so much fun for me. The idea that I

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Speaker 1: just find fascinating people interview him share it with you

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Speaker 1: and just a variety of guests we're gonna have on

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Speaker 1: this journey. And Troy was great today. I thought he

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Speaker 1: enjoyed it in the volume. The volume