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Speaker 1: is all ball man do we have I feel like

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Speaker 1: I have an all timer all timer for you. It's

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Speaker 1: really really good one. Um. Chris Jenkins is synonymous with

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Speaker 1: hitting the game winning shot for Villanova to win their

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Speaker 1: first of two recent national championships, right obviously the one

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Speaker 1: dropping of Steve LAPAs either this weekend or or next

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Speaker 1: next next week, but regardless, I mean, if you think

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Speaker 1: perfect ending to an n c A tournament where Chris

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Speaker 1: Jenkins Trailman hits at three. But before we get to

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Speaker 1: him hitting the three, there's so much more that's interesting

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Speaker 1: about his life. You know what led him to go

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Speaker 1: and live with Nate Britt's family far from his South

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Speaker 1: Carolina home? What was it? What what was it like

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Speaker 1: he'd leave and transfer out. UM Part one with Chris

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Speaker 1: Jenkins is really interesting and let's let's get to it

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Speaker 1: now before we give you some breakdowns on on the

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Speaker 1: sport that we all love so much. UM. Before we

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Speaker 1: ever stopped to think, And this is the thing about this.

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Speaker 1: The shot that you hit is not only the biggest

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Speaker 1: there's um magic hit a baby sky hook, but it

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Speaker 1: there hasn't been, by my estimation, a buzzard beating game

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Speaker 1: you could make the argument. I don't know if it's

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Speaker 1: because you know, is the NC State one. Now, the

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Speaker 1: argument against the NC State one is yours required skill? Right,

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Speaker 1: it was part of the design of the play. Okay,

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Speaker 1: you had to have balance. Yeah, I mean you're shooting

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Speaker 1: when you were growing up playing basketball, where was the

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Speaker 1: when I first got introduced to the Britt family and

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Speaker 1: for us. We win these two games and then we advanced.

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Speaker 1: We kind of We never really looked at here like, oh,

431
00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:57,240
Speaker 1: we gotta get this off our back, or you know,

432
00:21:57,320 --> 00:21:59,639
Speaker 1: we've lost in the second round. Like I said, going

433
00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:01,760
Speaker 1: to the season, Josh Hard Now we kind of looked

434
00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:03,520
Speaker 1: at it like, look we did. We weren't starts on

435
00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:05,919
Speaker 1: those teams. This is a whole new this is a

436
00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:08,840
Speaker 1: brand new field that we're bringing coming from p G County,

437
00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:11,520
Speaker 1: so the DMV, so we were looking at it like,

438
00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:13,960
Speaker 1: you know what, it's a fresh start, so we ain't

439
00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:17,159
Speaker 1: looking at that. Um. What was the feeling like of

440
00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:21,840
Speaker 1: knowing you're going to the final four? Honestly, it made you.

441
00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:24,639
Speaker 1: It made you want to lock in even more because

442
00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:27,920
Speaker 1: you knew like you were that close, Like you wanted

443
00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:29,919
Speaker 1: we wanted to send Arts and Daniel off to the

444
00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:32,680
Speaker 1: right way because they meant so much. Uh and turning

445
00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:35,320
Speaker 1: the program around. Like you said, when we first got there,

446
00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:39,840
Speaker 1: things were weren't in the situations that that we put

447
00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:42,760
Speaker 1: them in after but going into like going into our

448
00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:45,680
Speaker 1: college career and Nova had struggled a little bit, and

449
00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:47,600
Speaker 1: UH found that way at the end of the year,

450
00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:50,239
Speaker 1: and we knew coming in as freshments that we had

451
00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:53,480
Speaker 1: a chance to help continue to turn some things around. Okay,

452
00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:56,719
Speaker 1: So anybody who's been a nova practice knows that, Um,

453
00:22:56,760 --> 00:22:59,480
Speaker 1: there's I don't know, do you guys have words that

454
00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:03,480
Speaker 1: you're told to say? Are they just repeated over and over? So,

455
00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:06,720
Speaker 1: because there's always its attitude, right, you're always talking to

456
00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:08,560
Speaker 1: a teammate. What are the words? And how does that

457
00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:11,679
Speaker 1: work on what you're supposed to say to a teammate? Yeah, So,

458
00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:14,879
Speaker 1: I mean attitude is just something that you learned in

459
00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:17,440
Speaker 1: the recruiting process. But you really lock in your as

460
00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:20,560
Speaker 1: soon as you get on campus, your very very first day. Um,

461
00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:23,760
Speaker 1: and it's just you can't control what happened to you,

462
00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:26,560
Speaker 1: but you can control your attitude and how you approach it.

463
00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:30,720
Speaker 1: And you know how you carry yourself in in any situation.

464
00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:34,000
Speaker 1: So a bad call, you know, your fourth file with

465
00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:37,920
Speaker 1: eight minutes left, You know, any any any competitive athlete

466
00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:41,800
Speaker 1: is going to be extremely upset and tense in that moment.

467
00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:44,520
Speaker 1: You just got your fourth file with eight minutes left

468
00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:47,280
Speaker 1: to go in the game. So you know, our whole

469
00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:50,400
Speaker 1: mindset whenever something negative happened was like, YO, attitude man

470
00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:53,520
Speaker 1: handled it. Great. You're gonna get an opportunity to make

471
00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:56,240
Speaker 1: something happen just make sure that you're not worried about

472
00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:58,159
Speaker 1: this bad thing that happened and you're ready for the

473
00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:01,439
Speaker 1: next opportunity that you have. So stitude is it's something

474
00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:03,080
Speaker 1: that we all take in the life, not just on

475
00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:05,600
Speaker 1: the basketball court. And so you mentioned if you see

476
00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:08,119
Speaker 1: somebody slipping a little bit, you just say attitude and guys,

477
00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:09,560
Speaker 1: and it kind of it's like a look at trigger

478
00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:11,520
Speaker 1: word sort of thing. Yeah, it's kind of just like

479
00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:13,040
Speaker 1: a trigger where you look at him in the eye,

480
00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:15,520
Speaker 1: clap at him, like, let's go man at to next play,

481
00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:20,159
Speaker 1: next place, Attitude, next attitude, next play, control what you

482
00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:28,080
Speaker 1: can control, and any others. Um, yeah, it's quite a few.

483
00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:31,680
Speaker 1: Go ahead, we got attitude. You give me the ones

484
00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:35,240
Speaker 1: that you guys through in as well. Um let me

485
00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:38,840
Speaker 1: see nine by fifty. That mean when we step out

486
00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:40,879
Speaker 1: here on the court, we all business. We're handling what

487
00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:43,439
Speaker 1: we got to handle. We played for the ones that

488
00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:46,440
Speaker 1: came before us to let them know that everything, all

489
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Speaker 1: the blood sledding tears that they put into the program,

490
00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:50,679
Speaker 1: we don't take that for granted. And we're gonna do

491
00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:52,880
Speaker 1: the same and we're gonna try to elevate it. So

492
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:56,800
Speaker 1: there's there's a couple that we use um when but

493
00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:59,480
Speaker 1: when you're young and you first get there, how much

494
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Speaker 1: I roll and like this stuff is you know like

495
00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:05,320
Speaker 1: or you know because it's a it's a lot it's

496
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Speaker 1: it's I'm just telling you it's different like it's it's

497
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:10,600
Speaker 1: a very different practicing atmosphere than most at any place,

498
00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:14,160
Speaker 1: you're gonna go yeah nah. And and that's what makes

499
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:17,680
Speaker 1: Mellova so unique is because when those young guys do that,

500
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:20,000
Speaker 1: you have the older guys right there to get on them.

501
00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:22,600
Speaker 1: And there's nothing like me. Your teammates get on you

502
00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:27,679
Speaker 1: because a coach can say something um and assistant coach, managers, whoever,

503
00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:31,040
Speaker 1: they can say anything, but it really resonates when it

504
00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:34,199
Speaker 1: comes from your brother who's out there in battle with

505
00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:37,199
Speaker 1: you every single day. So when they say it, it

506
00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:41,199
Speaker 1: holds a lot more weight, so it's easier to to

507
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Speaker 1: to fall in line and get yourself out of the

508
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512
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Speaker 1: You get to the final four and you're getting ready

513
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Speaker 1: to play Oklahoma and everybody's shing you know how badly

514
00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:04,920
Speaker 1: they beat you, And I mean that thing was over

515
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:10,200
Speaker 1: from from the from the jump. Um, the experience of that.

516
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:15,080
Speaker 1: What what do you remember about the Oklahoma game. I mean, honestly,

517
00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:17,480
Speaker 1: I just remember going into the game, and you know,

518
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:19,520
Speaker 1: we kind of knew what type of game it was

519
00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:23,080
Speaker 1: gonna be, just because we knew that they were gonna

520
00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:25,240
Speaker 1: come with the approach, like, man, we beat these guys

521
00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:29,800
Speaker 1: by twenty earlier in the season, so we knew if

522
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:32,439
Speaker 1: they were going to take that approach, they had no chance.

523
00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:37,800
Speaker 1: And that that's that ended up what happened. Um, we

524
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Speaker 1: will we will watch the ESPN cast. Everybody's talking about

525
00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:43,400
Speaker 1: how Buddy Hill is going to do this and he's

526
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:46,560
Speaker 1: National Player of the Year and he's so great, and

527
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:50,800
Speaker 1: then we're just looking like, I hope y'all able to

528
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:55,440
Speaker 1: stand on those words that y'all speaking. When you when

529
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Speaker 1: you looked at when you looked up, I mean, that's

530
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Speaker 1: it's a great feeling. You know, I've only really experience that.

531
00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:04,400
Speaker 1: Want my my senior would be Kansas, my thirty three.

532
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:08,320
Speaker 1: It was like Roy Williams for worst loss ever. Um,

533
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:11,000
Speaker 1: it's but it's a feeling, and then we beat him

534
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:14,240
Speaker 1: again like a week later at the in the Big

535
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:16,439
Speaker 1: Twelve Tournament. But it was more the feeling of like

536
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:20,399
Speaker 1: complete domination, that there's nothing that they can do right that,

537
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:23,320
Speaker 1: Like there's a lot of powerful feelings in basketball, but

538
00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:26,000
Speaker 1: the idea that there's literally nothing you can do. You

539
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:28,199
Speaker 1: can't call time out, there's no play, there no defense.

540
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 1: It just you got there's nothing you can do. That's

541
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:32,920
Speaker 1: what I saw with that game, and it just kind

542
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:35,359
Speaker 1: of got progressively worse and they were fighting it and

543
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:37,640
Speaker 1: taking their shots, got worse and worse, and you guys

544
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 1: made more and more, and it was it was just

545
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:41,320
Speaker 1: it wasn't like you guys ran it up. It was

546
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:45,000
Speaker 1: just complete domination. Yeah, I mean we we kind of

547
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 1: saw it earlier in the game that you know, we

548
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:49,639
Speaker 1: kind of had them just from like you said, the

549
00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:52,399
Speaker 1: shots that they would take, and even just you know,

550
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:54,960
Speaker 1: back and forth between some of their players on the court,

551
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:57,880
Speaker 1: like come on, man, make something happen, or man, I'm

552
00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:00,280
Speaker 1: passing you the ball. What you're doing. So, you know,

553
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 1: as an athlete on the court, when you hear things

554
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:04,960
Speaker 1: like that between the other team, we got them. We

555
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:09,200
Speaker 1: got it. It's over you guys like attitude, like locked

556
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:13,879
Speaker 1: locked in. So now you're getting ready for Carolina and

557
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:18,200
Speaker 1: obviously between the Nate element to it and and it's

558
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:23,200
Speaker 1: Carolina and as the chance of national championship UM that

559
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:26,200
Speaker 1: day in between and then really the games at night,

560
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 1: So you got a whole kind of build up at night.

561
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:31,160
Speaker 1: Were you on video games? What were you what were

562
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:33,919
Speaker 1: you doing? Um in that kind of lead up to

563
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:37,480
Speaker 1: try and like calm your calm your mind. I mean

564
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 1: they had a game room, they had all that stuff

565
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:42,400
Speaker 1: for us, But we were focused, man, we were we

566
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:44,520
Speaker 1: were down into our scout, we were down into the

567
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:51,120
Speaker 1: game plan, um Team Mills recovery. And I know myself personally,

568
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:57,440
Speaker 1: I was watching everything on TV because everybody was picking

569
00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:00,600
Speaker 1: Carolina and just talking about how Villano it was too

570
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 1: small and this and that, and you know, player like myself,

571
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 1: I'm looking for those little extra motivation tips, you know.

572
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 1: So I'm going down. I'm going down each starting five.

573
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 1: I'm looking at who they're saying is small and it's

574
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 1: only one guy in the lineup that's not really height

575
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:22,120
Speaker 1: wise comparable to is match up? Right? So's it's you right,

576
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:25,160
Speaker 1: It's clearly me like there's no there's no if fans

577
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 1: of us about it. So the person that they're saying

578
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 1: is too small and it's going to be the reason

579
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 1: why Carolina Domination wins. They're talking about my matchup, but

580
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:37,960
Speaker 1: I'm thinking I gotta way better chance of guarding these

581
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:42,960
Speaker 1: guys than they do guard me. Sure, not even close? Well, yes, yes,

582
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,600
Speaker 1: because they're playing they're playing two bigs and now exactly

583
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 1: you got to stretch them out with a big man.

584
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:53,640
Speaker 1: That's a recipe. That's that's a mismatch. That's all. That's

585
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:55,120
Speaker 1: what led to the last shot. We'll get to that.

586
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 1: So all anybody remembers about the shot about the game

587
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:02,880
Speaker 1: is the shot, right, like literally, I mean, um, I

588
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:05,200
Speaker 1: mean they make a spectacular shot just to just to

589
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:07,840
Speaker 1: put them in position to tie the game. No, but

590
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 1: people forget about all that. What do you remember about

591
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:15,240
Speaker 1: the game? Um, I honestly remember getting two fouls early

592
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:18,200
Speaker 1: and I'm thinking to myself, like I just I'm killing

593
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 1: the team. So when I got those two files early

594
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:24,920
Speaker 1: and I gotta go offense defense so I don't pick

595
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:27,840
Speaker 1: up many fouls, I'm just thinking, like, man, how can

596
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:29,400
Speaker 1: I help the team? Like right now I'm in a

597
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:31,480
Speaker 1: tough spot, Like that's a tough spot for anybody to

598
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:33,800
Speaker 1: be in. Like I'm in for twenty five seconds and

599
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 1: then I'm out for two minutes. Then I go back

600
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:38,560
Speaker 1: in for thirty five seconds, and then I'm all a

601
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:41,240
Speaker 1: minute and I halfen this media time. So it's like, man,

602
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:43,080
Speaker 1: how can I get a rhythm? How can I help

603
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:45,880
Speaker 1: the team? How can I contribute um? And I just

604
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:48,360
Speaker 1: tried to get a team energy from the bench by cheering.

605
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:50,560
Speaker 1: And then you know, when I got in the game's

606
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:52,360
Speaker 1: offense defense, I tried to make the most of my

607
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:56,360
Speaker 1: offensive possessions. Coach, Coach, you got me in the offense

608
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:58,600
Speaker 1: for a reason. Now you don't have set me in

609
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:01,479
Speaker 1: the past. So it's safe to say that I had

610
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 1: a few conversations coming off the court about my shot selections.

611
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 1: So who is it? Was it? Who's the like they

612
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 1: all have good cop, bad cop and always see from

613
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 1: j For the most part is the is the suit

614
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:18,720
Speaker 1: the styled bang? We made the shot? What when you

615
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:21,200
Speaker 1: when you come off the court, does he get and

616
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 1: you you took a bad shot? Does he give you this?

617
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 1: Think guy? Who gets? Or is it one of these systems?

618
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:28,440
Speaker 1: I would probably say all this one because we had

619
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:30,280
Speaker 1: that kind of relationship. You know, I was a kind

620
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:32,760
Speaker 1: of player where I didn't really care if we were

621
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 1: friends or if you like me. Um, I'm all about

622
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 1: winning and how I can help the team. So you

623
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 1: coach me, and when you coach me, I'm not one

624
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 1: of those players that if you say, okage, Chris, just

625
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 1: do this, I'm not gonna like that's going in one

626
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:48,200
Speaker 1: and you gotta sit me down, you gotta get in

627
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 1: my face and then I'll be able to understand what

628
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 1: you're saying. I'm just that kind of player. So no,

629
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:56,800
Speaker 1: I pretty much would would get it from all english,

630
00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 1: from my teammates and the coaches. I didn't I didn't

631
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:01,880
Speaker 1: say anybody couldn't speak to me or talk to me

632
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 1: any kind of way. I accepted coaching from from everyone,

633
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:07,800
Speaker 1: even walk on, like, Yo, what do you see? You

634
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 1: gotta be able to tell me? So what does that?

635
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:10,960
Speaker 1: Does that? Does that come from your parents? Your mom

636
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 1: being a coach, the military background? Does that come from

637
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 1: when you got to go Zack? There is that can't

638
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 1: come from when you got to Nova? And what was

639
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 1: what was taught to you? I mean definitely started with

640
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:21,360
Speaker 1: my mom and then when when I got with the

641
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 1: Brits with Big Nate is just don't ever think that

642
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 1: you're above any of that just because somebody may not

643
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:29,600
Speaker 1: be as good a player as you are. There's gonna

644
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:31,719
Speaker 1: come a time where you're not as good as anyone

645
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:33,880
Speaker 1: as somebody else on your team, and you don't want

646
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 1: them to be little you because you don't feel like

647
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 1: they don't feel like you're on the same level. So

648
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 1: I always wanted to be appreciative and gain knowledge. Uh,

649
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:45,480
Speaker 1: people always talk about my basketball I Q. And that's

650
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 1: because I listened. You know, I want I want that information.

651
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 1: I want to be able to apply what you're telling

652
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 1: me in the game. So when I come to you,

653
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:56,600
Speaker 1: I expect you to get me honest, great feedback, honest me.

654
00:32:56,640 --> 00:33:00,400
Speaker 1: And first, it's interesting, like I I found that team

655
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 1: and Nova guys to collectively have a super high basketball

656
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 1: like you you know, I mean you got you Josh

657
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 1: arch like. And I think I do think that there's

658
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 1: the and we as we try as the media, but

659
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 1: there's always going to be the hey, they're just a

660
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 1: bunch of dudes playing basketball or whatever. Whereas like you

661
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 1: get blown away by by the level of intelligence, right,

662
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 1: But I also think some of that, some of that

663
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:32,040
Speaker 1: comes from it's it's the culture, but it's also the

664
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:35,720
Speaker 1: fact that and so guys that are guys that are freshmen,

665
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 1: they might not be like that, But who's the guy

666
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 1: that you guys turned the most that came in that

667
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 1: wasn't a listener, that wasn't as coachable, but by the

668
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:52,080
Speaker 1: end became super super coachable. You Honestly, that's tough because

669
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:54,719
Speaker 1: there there hasn't been a young guyess come in like,

670
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 1: you know, I don't want to listen on my that

671
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 1: was that felt like that was that previous group, not

672
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 1: all of them. That was that previous group right where.

673
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 1: I mean Jay talks about O K G s all

674
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 1: the time, like our kind of guy. You gotta recruiting

675
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:11,960
Speaker 1: over kind of guys exactly. And even even when Jalen

676
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:14,479
Speaker 1: came in, you know McDonald's on American number one point

677
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:17,479
Speaker 1: guard in the class. You know, he all he did

678
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:20,759
Speaker 1: was was listening and gained information. This the year the

679
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:23,080
Speaker 1: year won the championship with Jalen's freshman year, he was

680
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:27,240
Speaker 1: a starter, Yeah, and he was great man. He didn't

681
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:29,480
Speaker 1: come in thinking that he was above anybody because he

682
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:31,840
Speaker 1: was Mickey bes or his dad was Rick. You know,

683
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:34,160
Speaker 1: he always just he wanted to be a part of

684
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 1: the team and he wanted to make the team better

685
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:40,719
Speaker 1: and in doing that he elevated the entire program. What

686
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:44,200
Speaker 1: is it? What is it about Jalen? Because because again

687
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:47,759
Speaker 1: like you have, you guys had pros all over and

688
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:50,800
Speaker 1: you guys are all tough and skill, but it changed

689
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 1: when he got there and he was synonymous with winning.

690
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:56,560
Speaker 1: And even now you watched him with the maps like

691
00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 1: he not a blurish an athlete. He just gets shipped up.

692
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:02,880
Speaker 1: He get ship done. He's playing great right now too.

693
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 1: I know, he just gets a lot done. But how

694
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:06,960
Speaker 1: how does how do you do that when you're not

695
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 1: He's not big and not crazy athletic, so how well

696
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:15,440
Speaker 1: one his his basketball i Q is out of this

697
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:19,760
Speaker 1: world and his work ethic man, when Jalen got to school,

698
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 1: he had a plan mapped out. He and his family

699
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:25,360
Speaker 1: had a plan mapped out basically where he would be

700
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:28,919
Speaker 1: done in three years and on his NBA path. And

701
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:31,840
Speaker 1: you know he got two national championships and three years,

702
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 1: every Player of the Year award that you can name,

703
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:36,960
Speaker 1: every Big East award that you can name, and he

704
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:40,480
Speaker 1: got his degree in three years. Um, and so in

705
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 1: my eyes, man, he's he's one of the greatest Big

706
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:47,400
Speaker 1: East players ever, in any of the college basketball players exactly.

707
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:49,920
Speaker 1: You know, I was fortunate, man, I had some of

708
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:52,959
Speaker 1: the best teammates ever. You know, they made my life easy.

709
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 1: I tell those guys out of time. YEA made me famous. Um,

710
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 1: you guys also were last I think in the country

711
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 1: both of your junior Ye you're in the fewest fouls.

712
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:04,239
Speaker 1: Now you're talking about in National Championshire gonna get two found.

713
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:06,959
Speaker 1: So what's the what's the secret? What's the villainova secret?

714
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 1: Because you guys are super physical, but you don't get

715
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 1: called for fouls, right, how Honestly, every day working on technique,

716
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:18,439
Speaker 1: we have rests come in, we have scrimmages with them

717
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:22,040
Speaker 1: being there so preseason so we know how they're gonna

718
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:24,960
Speaker 1: call what they're looking for. And then at that point

719
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 1: is just competing and using our ir Q. You know,

720
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 1: we're trying to win. We're not trying to give anyone

721
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 1: easy points. So, um, and then what also helps is

722
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:35,240
Speaker 1: practice that God and I'm going up against in practice

723
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 1: is better than the guy that I'm going to play

724
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:40,239
Speaker 1: in the game. Okay, you're going at halftime, you got

725
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:42,680
Speaker 1: two fouls. You kind of survived the first half, right,

726
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 1: and the two foul things sucks because you know, I

727
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:48,400
Speaker 1: played for a coach who has let you play through it.

728
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 1: You get five, So stop fouling, James stubbing you in

729
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 1: offense and defense. Um. But one of the things that

730
00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:59,799
Speaker 1: I so, I'm I was at CBS at the time,

731
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:04,520
Speaker 1: and I'm studying all this stuff and I distinctly recalled

732
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 1: I handed it at ten times that you guys read it.

733
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 1: But Jay would use that use it or lose it

734
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:15,600
Speaker 1: time out at the end of the first half, and

735
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:17,839
Speaker 1: you guys would always run the same play, the same

736
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:21,120
Speaker 1: play you scored on to win the game. You guys

737
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:23,279
Speaker 1: would would run that. Am I wrong to think like

738
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:24,800
Speaker 1: that was kind of a staple that you would You

739
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:26,560
Speaker 1: would run that play at the end of halves, not

740
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:29,800
Speaker 1: just the end of games like the sen Hall game. Yeah,

741
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 1: That's definitely something that that we ran in any situation

742
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:36,840
Speaker 1: where he felt like it was useful, whether it be

743
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 1: like you said, into the half, um, coming off of

744
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 1: media time out, uh, into the game situation, Um, whenever

745
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 1: time was restricted. This that so he we were great.

746
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:52,360
Speaker 1: We practiced all those situations, uh, every day. Okay, so

747
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:55,719
Speaker 1: you come out halftime, what do you remember going into

748
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 1: the locker room. I want to say we were down,

749
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 1: so you know, every everybody is just you know, attitude.

750
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:05,120
Speaker 1: We got twenty more minutes, um, I think Daniel before

751
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:08,400
Speaker 1: the coaches came in, Daniel uh said some words to

752
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:11,719
Speaker 1: us to get us refocused and relocked back in. And

753
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:13,960
Speaker 1: then that's like what like like what was what does

754
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:16,239
Speaker 1: that mean? Like? What what do you say? I mean?

755
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:18,400
Speaker 1: It was just more star along the lines of like, Yo,

756
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:20,919
Speaker 1: we've been here before. We know what to do. These

757
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 1: guys there aren't they aren't better than us. We were

758
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 1: killing ourselves. We got this turnover Chris. Guys, I finally

759
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 1: we need you on the floor. Um, let's continue to execute.

760
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:34,920
Speaker 1: Be strong things like that, just just getting on us

761
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:36,440
Speaker 1: about the things that we know that we should have

762
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:38,759
Speaker 1: been doing. Yeah, Phil was killing them too, like that

763
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:41,080
Speaker 1: was that was That was the one cast segregations because

764
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:44,640
Speaker 1: Phil had been hurt a bunch that year. Keep shooting.

765
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:49,719
Speaker 1: Stay aggressive every time you out here, please be aggressive,

766
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:53,240
Speaker 1: um when you're warming up. Because that was in Houston,

767
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:57,720
Speaker 1: and the big talk of it was terrible background bad shooting. Okay, obviously,

768
00:38:57,760 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 1: you guys shot the hell out of the ball in

769
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:02,560
Speaker 1: the semifials, and everybody's stop talking about that when you're

770
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:05,520
Speaker 1: in warmups in the second half, in first half of

771
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 1: the warm up, like, did you feel like it was

772
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:10,879
Speaker 1: it was wet? Did you have that feeling like it's

773
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:12,239
Speaker 1: gonna be a good night or it's gonna be a

774
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 1: good half? Did you we we or or was the

775
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 1: success in the game a bit of a surprise considering

776
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:22,440
Speaker 1: how you're shooting the war ups? Um, honestly, Uh, whether

777
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 1: go over twelve and the first half or no twelve

778
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:30,319
Speaker 1: or twelve going into the that next half or the

779
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:32,160
Speaker 1: next time that we getting ready to step on the court,

780
00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 1: I think I'm gonna go twelve or twelve and that

781
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 1: next month's too. So Um, I thought I had a

782
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 1: good rhythm. I thought I was fine. I just was

783
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:44,919
Speaker 1: telling myself, play hard, play smart. Though you can't play

784
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:47,279
Speaker 1: hard and not play smart. You like you're killing your

785
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:49,840
Speaker 1: team by not being on the floor, Like you just

786
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 1: being out there helps the entire offense, whether you have

787
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:56,839
Speaker 1: the ball in your hands or not. And then defensively,

788
00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:59,759
Speaker 1: it allows us to switch certain things, allows us to

789
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 1: play a small or do whatever we want to do.

790
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:04,839
Speaker 1: Like I was that player that could allow us to

791
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:07,279
Speaker 1: go either way depending on how the game was going

792
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:10,560
Speaker 1: because of the role that I had on the team.

793
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:12,480
Speaker 1: So just coming into this tech and half, I just

794
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:14,920
Speaker 1: knew that now I had to settle down and get

795
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:17,280
Speaker 1: back into the Florida game with my teammates, just playoff

796
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:22,319
Speaker 1: of them. Truth Now, years later, when you're playing at

797
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:24,319
Speaker 1: any point in time, is it in your mind, what's

798
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:31,840
Speaker 1: the stake? Honestly, No, we were just as our next game.

799
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 1: You know. We we took at Villanova, We took every

800
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 1: game like it was the national I got it. But

801
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:39,400
Speaker 1: then it's it's there's seventy thousand people there, It's the

802
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 1: National Championship, is North Carolina, you know, it's Nate, it's

803
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:45,239
Speaker 1: all this other stuff, Like you got all this, Like

804
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:47,399
Speaker 1: there's a lot going on. Was there a moment where

805
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:49,520
Speaker 1: you're sitting there and you look around like damn man?

806
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 1: Because I was heading as a broadcaster. I remember my

807
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:59,480
Speaker 1: my second game I did in the tournament. What Southern

808
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 1: was beating Gonzaga. Um, this is the your Gonzaga beat

809
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:07,399
Speaker 1: by Wichita State in the second round. So which I'd

810
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:11,440
Speaker 1: just beat Pittsburgh, and so I'm Southern's leading four minutes

811
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:14,200
Speaker 1: to go and I'm working with the Spirodidas and we're like,

812
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:16,799
Speaker 1: holy sh it, we're gonna call the first sixteen one upset. Right,

813
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 1: We're like, all right, calm down. And it wasn't until

814
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:22,879
Speaker 1: it wasn't until like four minutes ago that under four

815
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 1: time out comes up, and then we're like can you

816
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:27,839
Speaker 1: believe this? Like, you know, I really locked in. When

817
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:30,399
Speaker 1: you're in a game like that and you get down

818
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:32,719
Speaker 1: and you're looking up and it's like five minutes to

819
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 1: go and somebody's the friet the line, there's no moment

820
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 1: where like, damn this ship is this is for everything? Okay.

821
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:42,640
Speaker 1: The moment that I had that where I was like, man,

822
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:45,280
Speaker 1: this is pretty cool was you know, you get those

823
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:49,360
Speaker 1: few seconds right after the national anthem, like when everything

824
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:51,799
Speaker 1: is kind of you know, they're setting up to do

825
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:55,920
Speaker 1: the starters and whatever have you. So after the national anthem,

826
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 1: I had a chance to kind of like peek around

827
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:00,120
Speaker 1: a glance, and that that's when I was like, this

828
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:04,799
Speaker 1: is pretty cool. In the game, did you know who

829
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 1: got introduced last Arch? Like, was who's who's the last guy? Arch?

830
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 1: Believe Art was the last guy? Was that important to

831
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:13,759
Speaker 1: you when you got introduced? Like You're like, man, I

832
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 1: want to be first. I wanna be last. Did you?

833
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:18,560
Speaker 1: Did you guys hagle over that at all? See I

834
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 1: didn't hag on it, but I was weird. So my

835
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:23,839
Speaker 1: favorite numbers too. So I'm like, man, let me get

836
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:28,080
Speaker 1: introduced second, Like I don't want to be first and

837
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:29,920
Speaker 1: I don't want to be last. Let me get the

838
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:32,480
Speaker 1: second spot. That like, because I always felt like too,

839
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 1: so who was so? Who was first? Who? That's a

840
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:41,400
Speaker 1: great question. I can't even remember. Might have been Jalen.

841
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:45,520
Speaker 1: Jalen might have been first. You might be right, Yeah,

842
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:47,800
Speaker 1: I was always last. I loved me last, the best,

843
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:50,440
Speaker 1: the best. It's like it's like you're like, it's just

844
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:52,480
Speaker 1: like a wave of people coming behind you, you know,

845
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:55,640
Speaker 1: hype slapping fives, just that I I always like being

846
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:57,840
Speaker 1: I like being last, whatever. And then all of a sudden,

847
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 1: because it you know what happens. It feels like everybody's

848
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:03,919
Speaker 1: always cheering for you. They're not really cheering for you.

849
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:05,879
Speaker 1: It's because you know, people kind of like this year,

850
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:07,440
Speaker 1: that year, that year, and then all of a sudden,

851
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:09,719
Speaker 1: you know, especially at home. They interroesced you're the last guy.

852
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:12,319
Speaker 1: It's the home team, and so you basically kind of

853
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 1: cheat and get everybody else's cheers altogether once and it

854
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:17,399
Speaker 1: sounds like you're the most popular guy on earth. It's

855
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 1: a secret to that one. I should have I should

856
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:25,719
Speaker 1: have passed down to guys years ago, but now years later. Okay,

857
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:30,800
Speaker 1: so Marcus hits Marcus Page hits a crazy shot, crazy shot.

858
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:36,759
Speaker 1: Crazy Okay, uh, and J call's time out. Take me

859
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 1: to the huddle. Exactly what happened to I mean, you

860
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:46,640
Speaker 1: could probably guess the first word. Everybody was saying. Hey,

861
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:49,360
Speaker 1: this is what we practiced for right here. We practiced

862
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:51,360
Speaker 1: the most. We put you guys in the most basicult

863
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 1: situations and practice for the times like this. A guy

864
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 1: has a circuit shot that if we asked them to

865
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:58,799
Speaker 1: do it again the same way, you probably couldn't do it.

866
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:03,480
Speaker 1: But these are the moments that we live for because

867
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:08,440
Speaker 1: in every situation, every other team will crumble. But we attitude.

868
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:10,879
Speaker 1: We next play. This is why we've been doing this

869
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:14,640
Speaker 1: since coach right being here, attitude, next play. So we

870
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 1: were in the huddle, nobody's down, nobody's looking down. We

871
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:20,839
Speaker 1: all know what we're gonna run and we know Arch

872
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:22,520
Speaker 1: is gonna have the ball, so in our mind we

873
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 1: like Art win the game for us. Like you're the

874
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:28,760
Speaker 1: senior captain, you've been a four year captain. That going nova,

875
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:31,879
Speaker 1: one of the first ones to ever do that. I mean,

876
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 1: this is a story big ending for you. You better

877
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:36,440
Speaker 1: not passed the ball to nobody. That's all our mindset

878
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:39,960
Speaker 1: and the others. Did he even draw it on the

879
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:42,600
Speaker 1: board or did he just say yeah, so we drawed

880
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:45,520
Speaker 1: up on the board, were running press o d o.

881
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:49,759
Speaker 1: Set the screen here, arts come off and then you

882
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:52,279
Speaker 1: get to the basket, get to a pull up, like

883
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:55,760
Speaker 1: win the game for us? Now? Is it called nova?

884
00:44:55,800 --> 00:45:03,799
Speaker 1: What is it called presso? It suppressopresso? Now? He he

885
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:05,719
Speaker 1: falled down against seating all. Is that what happened in

886
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:08,839
Speaker 1: the in the Biggest Championship? He did so everybody saw

887
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:11,600
Speaker 1: Daniel mopping up the court and thought it was just like,

888
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:14,840
Speaker 1: I don't know something to do for him. I guess,

889
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:17,600
Speaker 1: But if you go back to the Big East Championship

890
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 1: where we lost, Daniel felt like his sweat was the

891
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:24,160
Speaker 1: reason that Art slipped. So he wanted to make sure

892
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:25,880
Speaker 1: around the space where he was going to set the

893
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:28,440
Speaker 1: screen that the floor was clean, because he knows that

894
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:32,080
Speaker 1: he sweats a lot. He's a big tweater. It's the worst.

895
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:35,759
Speaker 1: The big sweater is the worst. Those dudes in practicing, like,

896
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:40,719
Speaker 1: oh god, you you understand them? Do imagine? I mean

897
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:45,319
Speaker 1: they're just trying to fight through a screen on him. Well,

898
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:46,920
Speaker 1: plus and the way you guys and the way you

899
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 1: guys defend where you got your belly out right, you're

900
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 1: constantly making oh, hands back, you're getting all that sweat,

901
00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:58,960
Speaker 1: so okay. So now you're taking the ball and bounce.

902
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:03,400
Speaker 1: And I distinctly remember watching and they put Bryce underneath

903
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 1: the hoop, and I'm like, do they not know what's coming? Right?

904
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:12,320
Speaker 1: And and I'm sure they wanted them to protect the

905
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:15,400
Speaker 1: rim in case Arch would get to the rim, I guess,

906
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:16,879
Speaker 1: but they put them. All they had do is put

907
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 1: him at the at the top of the key or

908
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:21,080
Speaker 1: the freezrom line. Instead they put him underneath the hoop.

909
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:24,560
Speaker 1: Did you see him underneath hoop? So I didn't see

910
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:27,279
Speaker 1: him underneath the hoop? Like when I was taking the

911
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:31,319
Speaker 1: ball up, but when we broke our huddle, Arch and

912
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:33,799
Speaker 1: I were walking down because I I take the ball

913
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 1: out in in all those situations. And he's the point guard.

914
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:39,239
Speaker 1: So he and I were walking and we're walking down

915
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:42,239
Speaker 1: after we break our huddle, and I just know from

916
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:45,839
Speaker 1: previous scouts that teams usually don't ever put a guy

917
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:49,279
Speaker 1: on the ball, especially in a situation like this. So

918
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:50,920
Speaker 1: I just whispered to him. I'm like, yo, I think

919
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:53,799
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be open, and he's like all right, And

920
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:56,759
Speaker 1: then I go by the ref and get ready to

921
00:46:56,760 --> 00:47:00,239
Speaker 1: take the ball up. So the secret to that shot

922
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:03,960
Speaker 1: to me is you have to once you get the

923
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:07,399
Speaker 1: ball and bounds, you gotta sprint, but then you gotta

924
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:11,239
Speaker 1: be under control for the catch, right because if you're

925
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:13,480
Speaker 1: full sprint, you're not gonna make it. If you're too slow,

926
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:15,640
Speaker 1: then you're not gonna you're not gonna be open, or

927
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:17,480
Speaker 1: you're not gonna be in the right and right position

928
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:21,120
Speaker 1: you're watching you throw it in. There's the screen, like,

929
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:24,440
Speaker 1: do you take me through your memory banks of running

930
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:27,840
Speaker 1: into the catching to shooting the basketball. So when I

931
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:31,560
Speaker 1: when I passed him the ball at that point in time,

932
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:35,640
Speaker 1: my only thought was to get somewhere where he can

933
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:38,480
Speaker 1: either see me or hear me, because I was I

934
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:43,960
Speaker 1: was calling his name the whole time running up the court,

935
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:48,160
Speaker 1: arts arts, arts. So my whole thought press is like, yo,

936
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:50,480
Speaker 1: just get somewhere. He's gonna see you all. He's gonna

937
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:53,600
Speaker 1: hear you. It's art like, he's gonna see you while

938
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:57,040
Speaker 1: you here. When there's when there's seventy five people yelling?

939
00:47:57,280 --> 00:47:59,160
Speaker 1: Can can you actually you can still hear each other though,

940
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:01,760
Speaker 1: right like we it's a weird thing that people don't understand.

941
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:04,120
Speaker 1: You can't hear anybody else, but you can actually kind

942
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:06,719
Speaker 1: of hear each other. Yeah, and and because you know,

943
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:09,400
Speaker 1: we've been around each other so long, voices are familiar

944
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:12,600
Speaker 1: in the crowd, things of that nature. So he was

945
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:15,400
Speaker 1: able to hear me. And then I guess when he

946
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:17,839
Speaker 1: when he crossed back over, that's when he saw me

947
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:22,239
Speaker 1: and he saw how open I actually was, and then

948
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:24,040
Speaker 1: that's when he made the pitch back. And I was

949
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:26,680
Speaker 1: able to stay under control and do something that we

950
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:29,240
Speaker 1: do in Villanova that you learned the first day on offense,

951
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:31,960
Speaker 1: you catch the shoot because right, let you know, day

952
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:33,920
Speaker 1: one on offense, if you don't catch the shoe, I

953
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:38,640
Speaker 1: can't play. So you get it now, you do you

954
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:40,880
Speaker 1: watch you watch the spin or do you watch the

955
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:44,960
Speaker 1: hoop you shoot. I watched the hoop. I watched the

956
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:47,000
Speaker 1: hoop because you know, some guys that look at they

957
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:48,440
Speaker 1: look at they look at the ball. Some guys look

958
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:50,319
Speaker 1: at look at the hoop. You let it go? Did

959
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:53,200
Speaker 1: you know right away? I did so if you can

960
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:55,760
Speaker 1: actually go, I shot it and then I leaned forward.

961
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:57,839
Speaker 1: Because when I leaned forward, in my mind, I'm like, oh,

962
00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:02,200
Speaker 1: that's going in, because I never shooting leaning forward. Always shoot,

963
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:05,000
Speaker 1: stay on balance, come down in the same spot that

964
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:06,880
Speaker 1: you that you jump, you kind of step. You kind

965
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 1: of stepped, curied it. Now sometimes when he shoots deep,

966
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 1: when he he Okay, so close your eyes for a second.

967
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:17,799
Speaker 1: I know you answered this question all the time, but

968
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:23,080
Speaker 1: what is that feeling really like? Honestly, it's definitely humbling

969
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:25,880
Speaker 1: because you get so many people that come up to

970
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:28,800
Speaker 1: you and tell you, like, yo, I watched this shot

971
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:32,160
Speaker 1: with my dad who's has since passed away, or you know,

972
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:34,200
Speaker 1: I watched this with a family member who was sick

973
00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:36,360
Speaker 1: and passed the wast to lie for for all of

974
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:38,680
Speaker 1: us to share that moment, even though I wasn't sitting

975
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:41,200
Speaker 1: in the living room with them, you know, for me

976
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:43,399
Speaker 1: to be a part of something that they hold there

977
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:46,280
Speaker 1: to their heart. Um. I thought things like that were

978
00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:49,120
Speaker 1: extremely humbling, and those are probably some of the things

979
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:51,480
Speaker 1: that I cherished the most, just the memories that I

980
00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:54,400
Speaker 1: was able to give other people here this true story.

981
00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:57,520
Speaker 1: I have no connection to build up none. And there

982
00:49:57,520 --> 00:50:00,160
Speaker 1: were times which I picked against you guys because was

983
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:02,360
Speaker 1: lost in the second round. Right. I got goose bumps

984
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:05,440
Speaker 1: even thinking about that moment, because that's that's the moment

985
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:09,240
Speaker 1: that everybody. I used to shoot in a kid's driveway

986
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:13,640
Speaker 1: down the street, Garrett Fipps and I, um, and I

987
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:16,000
Speaker 1: get my basketball. I'd run out of my house and

988
00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:18,239
Speaker 1: we had these plants are called bird of Paradise suit

989
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:20,960
Speaker 1: big leaves, and so I was slaph five with the

990
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:24,879
Speaker 1: big leaves, right, And then I pretend I would broadcast

991
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:28,200
Speaker 1: the game and I would be both teams. So I've

992
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:30,000
Speaker 1: watched the game on t gotta be both teams and

993
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:33,319
Speaker 1: every little kid five four or three too, you know,

994
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:37,200
Speaker 1: to win the championship. But you actually just did it, right,

995
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:40,719
Speaker 1: did did it? And then you know Jay sitting over

996
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:44,319
Speaker 1: there like coolest can be. Guys are going crazy. Comfetti's

997
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:48,080
Speaker 1: coming down. What are you doing? I'm at the bottom

998
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:52,640
Speaker 1: of the pal So I'm telling these you gotta please

999
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:54,840
Speaker 1: tell me Daniel wasn't close, because now he's just wenting

1000
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:58,040
Speaker 1: all over You're like, oh, no, he wasn't. He wasn't

1001
00:50:58,040 --> 00:51:00,239
Speaker 1: in the pow. He wasn't. He didn't sweat up the out,

1002
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:04,160
Speaker 1: thank goodness. But yeah, I was at the bottom of

1003
00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:06,120
Speaker 1: the power. I think Phil had jumped on me, and

1004
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:09,040
Speaker 1: then Josh and then Arch and hanging. Then it was

1005
00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:10,920
Speaker 1: just a whole bunch of people. So I find myself

1006
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:14,160
Speaker 1: at the bottom of the pow asking everybody to please

1007
00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:18,920
Speaker 1: get off of me. Remember that vividly they had to

1008
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:20,520
Speaker 1: be an at the bottom of the power, like, man,

1009
00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:25,360
Speaker 1: can y'all get up? Please? Um? How many text messages

1010
00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:31,200
Speaker 1: do you remember? Uh? Well over, well over text messages

1011
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:32,920
Speaker 1: to my phone by the time I got back to

1012
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:35,399
Speaker 1: it at the locker room. So what do you do?

1013
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 1: Do you? I mean, do you like? Do you do

1014
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:39,560
Speaker 1: you send a message? Send a note and then copy

1015
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:41,200
Speaker 1: it and copy and paste that you let somebody else

1016
00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:43,160
Speaker 1: do it? Like what do you how do you? How

1017
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:46,359
Speaker 1: do you respond to all those? I mean, you're just

1018
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:49,040
Speaker 1: trying to find a little bit of time to to respond,

1019
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:51,759
Speaker 1: Like obviously I respond to my family because I'm getting

1020
00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:53,279
Speaker 1: ready to see them in a few so I made

1021
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:56,040
Speaker 1: sure I took care of that. And then you know,

1022
00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:58,680
Speaker 1: just throughout the night until the next day, just just

1023
00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:01,759
Speaker 1: made my rounds and show people that are respecting the

1024
00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:06,640
Speaker 1: love that that they showed me. All Right, that's Part

1025
00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:09,560
Speaker 1: one with Chris Jenkins. Part two will drop sometime. I

1026
00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:11,600
Speaker 1: don't know, tomorrow, maybe the next day. It's so good,

1027
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:14,840
Speaker 1: and we talked about everything that's happened since. Really have

1028
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:19,239
Speaker 1: an amazing, amazing discussion. Um speaking amazing discussions. I think

1029
00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:22,560
Speaker 1: what's fascinating about these COVID protocols. And there's so many

1030
00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:25,160
Speaker 1: people who are like, well, why don't we shut down

1031
00:52:25,160 --> 00:52:26,880
Speaker 1: the sport for a month or shut down the sport

1032
00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:29,400
Speaker 1: for a couple of weeks, and and everybody kind of

1033
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:32,000
Speaker 1: get it all out of the system. The problem becomes

1034
00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:36,280
Speaker 1: and that's a great idea in theory, but the problem

1035
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:39,720
Speaker 1: is in practice. So if you have shut down teams,

1036
00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:41,719
Speaker 1: now what about teams that have already been shut down,

1037
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:44,359
Speaker 1: like Colorado State. I did their game the other night

1038
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:46,560
Speaker 1: against air Force, an air Force didn't have for their

1039
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:49,680
Speaker 1: top eight and Colorado State hadn't played in twenty four days.

1040
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:52,440
Speaker 1: So if you shut it down now for two three weeks,

1041
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:54,319
Speaker 1: like well, okay, Colorado State, why do they have to

1042
00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:58,319
Speaker 1: miss basically thirty days of basketball games? You know, other

1043
00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:01,120
Speaker 1: teams there's you see has already been through all the

1044
00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:05,560
Speaker 1: protocols and whenever they've already been through everything. Um. Meanwhile,

1045
00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:09,840
Speaker 1: you have some who haven't had you know, COVID go

1046
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:13,239
Speaker 1: through their team just yet. And if you shut them

1047
00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:15,080
Speaker 1: down for two weeks you come back, there's gonna be

1048
00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:16,960
Speaker 1: some teams that are gonna miss some players or have

1049
00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:20,359
Speaker 1: some shutdowns. It's it's a nearly impossible task to judge

1050
00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:23,239
Speaker 1: who's really all that good. And I kind of think

1051
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:26,719
Speaker 1: just plowing through it is probably the best possible way

1052
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:30,120
Speaker 1: to do it, especially with you know, a macron being

1053
00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:35,120
Speaker 1: um as as spread herble is that the word spreading

1054
00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:38,080
Speaker 1: as easily as it does. The meantime, the Doug Gotlieb

1055
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Speaker 1: Shows daily three to six Eastern, twelve to three Pacific

1056
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1057
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1058
00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:52,000
Speaker 1: can at Gottlieb Show and we'll I'll reach out, we'll

1059
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:54,520
Speaker 1: sit them down, we'll talk with him. Thank you so

1060
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