WEBVTT - Charlie Kirk vs College Students

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<v Speaker 1>A zone media.

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<v Speaker 2>This is it could happen here today. I'm your host,

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<v Speaker 2>Garrison Davis, and they're sure has been a lot happening

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<v Speaker 2>this past year. I am kind of feeling emotionally exhausted

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<v Speaker 2>and just numb in general. It's a different feeling from

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<v Speaker 2>the political desensitization that my job usually provides me. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>frankly still recovering from attending the DNC, even more so

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<v Speaker 2>than the RNC. At the RNC, I knew I was

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<v Speaker 2>going to be walking through the pits of hell, and

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<v Speaker 2>despite the immense evil on display, the sideshow conspiracy theory

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<v Speaker 2>freak nature of the event made it almost absurdly amusing.

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<v Speaker 2>But the DNC kind of broke me between the infighting

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<v Speaker 2>among Palestine protesters and the insistence from the official organizers

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<v Speaker 2>TM to oppose any course of action that would actually

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<v Speaker 2>disrupt the event or apply pressure to attendees, and instead

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<v Speaker 2>just use the Palestine protests to promote their little socialist

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<v Speaker 2>newspapers and political orgs. Meanwhile, inside the actual event, I

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<v Speaker 2>was surrounded by some of the richest, most powerful people

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<v Speaker 2>I had ever been around, and just watching them maintain

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<v Speaker 2>their like Kamala is bracked party atmosphere at all costs

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<v Speaker 2>and purposely blind themselves to the atrocities happening around the world,

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<v Speaker 2>especially Gaza was a deeply unsettling experience like these are

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<v Speaker 2>supposed to be the if not the good guys, at

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<v Speaker 2>least the better guys or the less openly fascist guys,

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<v Speaker 2>and like among the American right wings, unprecedented focus and

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<v Speaker 2>organized attack on trans writes. This was the first d

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<v Speaker 2>n C SINS twenty twelve to not feature a trans speaker,

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<v Speaker 2>and trans people were never directly mentioned during the convention's

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<v Speaker 2>prime time speaking slots. And now it's the election ramping up,

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<v Speaker 2>and the Southeast still recovering from two devastating hurricanes, Israel

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<v Speaker 2>escalating tensions with Iran, and with the backing of the

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<v Speaker 2>United States continuing strikes in Lebanon and Palestine. I am

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<v Speaker 2>just feeling more lost and discombobulated than I have been

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<v Speaker 2>in years. So to cheer myself up, I decided to

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<v Speaker 2>go to a Charlie Kirk and vivek Ramaswami rally at

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<v Speaker 2>Georgia State University. Now to some that may sound just

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<v Speaker 2>completely batshit or perhaps some form of bizarre self harm,

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<v Speaker 2>but look like I've been covering far right rallies and

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<v Speaker 2>writing about these weird conservative influencers for years now. It's

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<v Speaker 2>almost second nature to me. Going to these events can

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<v Speaker 2>feel paradoxically relaxing, even though it may trigger some stress.

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<v Speaker 2>My body just kind of subconsciously knows what to do

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<v Speaker 2>in environments like this. The RNC was so easy, it's

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<v Speaker 2>like an autopilot just takes over, and so I thought

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<v Speaker 2>going to this Turning Point USA event might help reset

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<v Speaker 2>my brain by giving myself a simple task that I

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<v Speaker 2>know I can excel at. But before we get into

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<v Speaker 2>all that, first, for those more fortunate than I, here's

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<v Speaker 2>some background on Charlie Kirk, also known as the far

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<v Speaker 2>right podcaster with the Smallest Face. As a teenager, back

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<v Speaker 2>in twenty twelve, Charles J. Kirk co founded in organization

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<v Speaker 2>for campus conservatives called Turning Point USA, and then in

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<v Speaker 2>twenty nineteen he founded a sister organization called Turning Point Action,

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<v Speaker 2>which focuses on elections and conservative political advocacy. Though initially

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<v Speaker 2>more aligned with the so called alt light rather than

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<v Speaker 2>the alt right, Kirk has slowly moved farther and farther

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<v Speaker 2>to the right during the past ten years, and by

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty, he embraced election fraud, COVID nineteen, and vaccine

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<v Speaker 2>conspiracy theories. Also during twenty he started his own podcast,

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<v Speaker 2>The Charlie Kirk Show, which is now somehow ranked as

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<v Speaker 2>the number seven podcast for news in Apple Podcasts. So

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<v Speaker 2>that's not good. At this point, Charlie has kind of

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<v Speaker 2>taken the place of, if not surpassed, the role that

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<v Speaker 2>was previously occupied by Stephen Crowder before his fall from

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<v Speaker 2>Grace isteming from his breakup with Ben Shapiro and the

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<v Speaker 2>allegations of abusing his ex wife. Through the Turning Point

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<v Speaker 2>Action organization, Kirk is more tied in with the actual

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<v Speaker 2>mechanisms of the Republican Party than even the Daily Wire is.

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<v Speaker 2>Just this past Wednesday, Turning Point Action hosted a rally

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<v Speaker 2>for Trump in Duluth, Georgia, just outside of Atlanta. Trump

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<v Speaker 2>spoke at this event, and Tucker Carlson made a very

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<v Speaker 2>fascist speech advocating to refuse the results of the election

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<v Speaker 2>if Trump loses and likening Trump to a quote unquote

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<v Speaker 2>daddy figure needing to punish the country for being a

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<v Speaker 2>quote unquote bad girl the past four years. It's a

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<v Speaker 2>huge indictment against Americans. Deeply Freudian politics now. The event

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<v Speaker 2>that I attended on October twenty first was a part

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<v Speaker 2>of Charlie Kirk's Your Being Brainwashed tour, where Kirk and

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<v Speaker 2>friends travel from swing state to swing state to debate

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<v Speaker 2>college students on camera about why Trump is the better candidate.

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<v Speaker 2>Charlie's focus on debating unprepared college students shows how he

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<v Speaker 2>has kind of picked up the baton from Stephen Crowder

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<v Speaker 2>and his old change My Mind videos, but this year, specifically,

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<v Speaker 2>Charlie's version of this college debate content creation strategy is

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<v Speaker 2>more in line with this overall strategy to inflate Kirk's

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<v Speaker 2>political influence leading up to the election so that he

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<v Speaker 2>can get more directly involved in the GOP's get out

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<v Speaker 2>the vote campaign in key swing states. As a part

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<v Speaker 2>of this strategy, Kirk has been on a bit of

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<v Speaker 2>a media blitz the past few months to promote himself.

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<v Speaker 2>Some listeners may have seen the viral video featuring Charlie

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<v Speaker 2>Kirk debating twenty five quote unquote woke college students for

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<v Speaker 2>over ninety minutes. This video, from the YouTube channel Jubilee,

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<v Speaker 2>has over twenty million views and like just as an

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<v Speaker 2>aside Jubilee is just so deeply evil. This company claims

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<v Speaker 2>to advocate for like empathy and human connection while turning

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<v Speaker 2>life and death political issues into fucking game show segments

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<v Speaker 2>for YouTube ad revenue, often pitting media trained conservative activists

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<v Speaker 2>against just random clueless liberals. I hate this company. They

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<v Speaker 2>are so bad, but I digress now. I actually attended

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<v Speaker 2>a Turning Point USA event on the GSU campus last year.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a smaller event that was ostensibly about defending

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<v Speaker 2>the Copcity training facility in a Atlanta, though halfway through

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<v Speaker 2>the event it just stopped being about Copcity and it

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<v Speaker 2>just turned into an ad for Turning Point USA and

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<v Speaker 2>this other political organization started by Candice Owens called BLEXIT,

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<v Speaker 2>which stands for the quote Black Exit from the Victimhood

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<v Speaker 2>mentality unquote. This was one of the most racist events

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<v Speaker 2>I've ever been to. The main speaker, in his best

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<v Speaker 2>metrosexual attire, blamed black people for creating situations that result

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<v Speaker 2>in police murders. Said that the real problem is that

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<v Speaker 2>black kids are never taught accountability and that in the

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<v Speaker 2>MLK days, people only ever advocated for more police training.

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<v Speaker 2>He also claimed that rap music is causing a spike

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<v Speaker 2>in violent crime and ranted against jay Z and Beyonce

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<v Speaker 2>and closed by saying that we need to support more

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<v Speaker 2>conservative rappers and singers. It was really bad, But on

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<v Speaker 2>the plus side, I went undercover to this event, and

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<v Speaker 2>when talking with the Turning Point USA officials, I convinced

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<v Speaker 2>them that I was actually a student at a different

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<v Speaker 2>nearby university, and I reserved the right to start a

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<v Speaker 2>fake TPUSA chapter in that school. So hopefully that will

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<v Speaker 2>never happen, since I'm the one who's supposed to be

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<v Speaker 2>doing it. For the Brainwashed Tour event this past Monday,

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<v Speaker 2>I dressed like an unfashionable campus conservative and donned my

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<v Speaker 2>Reagan movie baseball cap acquired at the RNC welcome party,

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<v Speaker 2>and arrived at campus an hour early to scope out

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<v Speaker 2>the terrain. They didn't announce the exact location for the

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<v Speaker 2>event ahead of time, so for about half an hour

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<v Speaker 2>I just walked around to GSU with the fucking Ronald

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<v Speaker 2>Reagan hat, looking for like a TPUSA booth. Now, luckily

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<v Speaker 2>I spotted some people with red mega hats that I

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<v Speaker 2>tailed to the nearby Hurt Park, where it was immediately

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<v Speaker 2>evident that this would be a much big, bigger event

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<v Speaker 2>than the Copcity one I attended a year prior. In

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<v Speaker 2>the middle of the park was a big table with

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<v Speaker 2>microphones set up for questions and debate, and on either

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<v Speaker 2>side there were booths with turning point stickers, buttons, flyers,

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<v Speaker 2>a pocket constitution, and sign up sheets to get involved

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<v Speaker 2>in their political advocacy programs. I took home a big

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<v Speaker 2>button that read Republicans are Hotter, and I got another, uh,

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<v Speaker 2>what I would call a brat style button, but brown

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<v Speaker 2>instead of green, that reads high period stop being a

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<v Speaker 2>socialist period thanks period. Not good. Not good. But I

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<v Speaker 2>watched the crowd grow from like twenty people I would

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<v Speaker 2>say around two hundred. You know, it got kind of fluid,

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<v Speaker 2>but yeah, around two hundred to fifty. Maybe A small

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<v Speaker 2>majority were students or at least young, and appeared to

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<v Speaker 2>be equally made up of liberals and conservatives, with the

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<v Speaker 2>rest of the crowd mostly made up of conservatives from

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<v Speaker 2>all ages who came to campus just to see Charlie Kirk.

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<v Speaker 2>As the event was about to begin, TPUSA staff moved

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<v Speaker 2>all of the older, quote unquote non college students out

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<v Speaker 2>of frame of the cameras to make the video seem

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<v Speaker 2>more focused on liberal college students, and after waiting in

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<v Speaker 2>the surprisingly warm October sun for over an hour, Charles J.

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<v Speaker 2>Kirk finally arrived thirty minutes late from the official start time,

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<v Speaker 2>tossing free mega hats wildly into the crowd, one of

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<v Speaker 2>which I am now in possession of. For this leg

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<v Speaker 2>of the tour, Kirk has been accompanied by the twenty

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<v Speaker 2>twenty four Republican presidential candidate with the tallest hair, vivek Ramaswami, who,

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<v Speaker 2>by the way, has also won the Cool Zone Media

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<v Speaker 2>Award for Presidential care Candidate with the most Nick Fuentes

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<v Speaker 2>Groyper Energy. So there you go. I can't believe I've

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<v Speaker 2>seen the vek Ramaswami like four different times this year.

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<v Speaker 2>That doesn't feel good. But do you know what does

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<v Speaker 2>feel good? That's right, these products and services that support

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<v Speaker 2>this podcast. Okay, we are back. It's time to finally

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<v Speaker 2>talk about this fucking rally. So I'm not gonna go

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<v Speaker 2>over like the whole event play by play, because there

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<v Speaker 2>was over two hours of quote unquote debating that I

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<v Speaker 2>have neither the time nor the desire to recap, but

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<v Speaker 2>I will mention some of the overarching topics and common

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<v Speaker 2>lines of questioning even as the first student took the mic,

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<v Speaker 2>I knew that this was gonna be a rough day.

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<v Speaker 2>The first person to quote unquote debate, Charlie and Vivek,

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<v Speaker 2>stated that their quote primary opposition to Trump is that

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<v Speaker 2>he's anti American and anti patriotic unquote. They said that

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<v Speaker 2>they believed that Trump fundamentally undermines American values, and they

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<v Speaker 2>specifically invoked Trump's rhetoric online about suspending the Constitution and

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<v Speaker 2>the whole January sixth incident. Now, look, I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>this is a very compelling line of attack, especially in

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<v Speaker 2>a debate setting. And I just don't believe that patriotism

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<v Speaker 2>is like an inherently good thing. And I think Grifters

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<v Speaker 2>and Conman are pretty dark American. But Vavek and Kirk

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<v Speaker 2>responded by talking about how social media censorship in twenty

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<v Speaker 2>twenty was a much greater act of anti Americanism, although

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<v Speaker 2>later on in the day they defended Elon Musk in

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<v Speaker 2>his running of Twitter, since he's a private citizen and

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<v Speaker 2>should be allowed to do whatever he wants with his

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<v Speaker 2>own platform. This is course ironic amidst reporting from The

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<v Speaker 2>New York Times that Musk and the Trump team colluded

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<v Speaker 2>to suppress information damaging to Trump on the platform, basically

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<v Speaker 2>exactly what the right was accusing the old Twitter doing

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<v Speaker 2>the last election. But none of that really matters. There's

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<v Speaker 2>no such thing as hypocrisy. You can never hold anyone

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<v Speaker 2>account to this sort of thing on the right. Charlie

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<v Speaker 2>Kirk then just went on to deny that Trump called

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<v Speaker 2>to suspend the constitution.

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<v Speaker 3>Here's a clip he never had.

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<v Speaker 4>You're misquoting him. But let's just look at what he did,

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<v Speaker 4>not just rhetoric.

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<v Speaker 2>Nice little quick pivot there from Charles. But yes, technically

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<v Speaker 2>Trump didn't say suspend. He actually said terminate, which is

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<v Speaker 2>like worse. I don't know. In twenty twenty two, Trump

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<v Speaker 2>posted on truth Social calling for the quote unquote termination

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<v Speaker 2>of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in

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<v Speaker 2>the Constitution unquote, in response to the twenty twenty election.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know how Kirk thinks that saying terminate is

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<v Speaker 2>better than suspend. Of course he doesn't. He's just playing

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<v Speaker 2>this game. It doesn't matter. Kirk went on to lie

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<v Speaker 2>about the nature of January sixth and whether Trump literally

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<v Speaker 2>personally committed the legal act of insurrection, eventually saying that

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<v Speaker 2>even if Trump did it would be thrown out under

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<v Speaker 2>the new presidential immunity ruling by the Supreme Court, and

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<v Speaker 2>stating that though Trump didn't actually do a coup, the

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<v Speaker 2>Democrats did actually do a coup to get Kamala Harris

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<v Speaker 2>on the ticket. Okay, sure, buddy. Now, part of Kirk's

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<v Speaker 2>just flagrant January sixth revisionist history was claiming that Ashley

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<v Speaker 2>Babbitt was suddenly killed with no warning as she was

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<v Speaker 2>retreating from the Capitol, and just none of that is true.

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<v Speaker 2>That just isn't what happened.

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<v Speaker 4>The only person to die on January sixth is a

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<v Speaker 4>Trump supporter killed by one of Nancy Pelosi's bodyguards.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, even that part isn't true. Two other Trump supporters

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<v Speaker 2>died of heart attacks, and another died holding a don't

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<v Speaker 2>tread on Me flag after being trampled by fellow rioters. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>a student countered Kirk's claim of Babbitt's innocence by confirming

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<v Speaker 2>that he believes in stands your ground laws that if

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<v Speaker 2>you're breaking into property you can be shot.

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<v Speaker 4>Hold on, But Ashley Babbitt was unarmed. Isn't the whole

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<v Speaker 4>kind of shtick of the American Left? Like don't shoot

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<v Speaker 4>unarmed people. If I break into your house, then I

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<v Speaker 4>was unarmed but broken I was breaking into your house,

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<v Speaker 4>was George Floyd? Was that a rightful death?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, first of all, incredible deflection, but oh yes, as

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<v Speaker 2>if these two situations are in any way comparable, a

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<v Speaker 2>black man being pinned down and choked to death for

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<v Speaker 2>over nine minutes and a woman leading a mob intent

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<v Speaker 2>on killing US politicians right up to the last line

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<v Speaker 2>of defense protecting set of politicians as they try to

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<v Speaker 2>evacuate the capital. Kirk tried to make this same gross

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<v Speaker 2>George Floyd compared Grison like an hour later, again to

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<v Speaker 2>booze from the audience. Later in the day, a second

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<v Speaker 2>student hit the Charlie Kirk debate chair debating on whether

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<v Speaker 2>Trump is anti American, and mentioned Trump's recent comments talking

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<v Speaker 2>about a quote unquote enemy within, some enemy inside the

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<v Speaker 2>United States that poses a far bigger threat than foreign enemies.

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<v Speaker 2>The veck claimed that Trump was referring to people who

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<v Speaker 2>shot at Trump, and Kirk claimed that it was a

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<v Speaker 2>reference to drug cartels.

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<v Speaker 4>So Donald Trump is talking with enemy, then he's talking

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<v Speaker 4>about the cartels that are here that are poisoning our streets.

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<v Speaker 4>With drugs that are bringing illegal guns into the country.

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<v Speaker 4>That is the enemy within. Yet we say Russia is

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<v Speaker 4>an enemy. Russia has never attacked the United States of America.

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<v Speaker 2>Curious Russia comment there, certainly, but like for this enemy

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<v Speaker 2>within thing, we know that's just not true. Trump has

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<v Speaker 2>specifically named multiple Democrats as the enemy within. It's not

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<v Speaker 2>about cartels, it's not about people shooting him. There's just

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<v Speaker 2>non stop lying coming from Kirk and Novek, and none

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<v Speaker 2>of the students are like equipped or researched enough to

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<v Speaker 2>call him out on it. Another common topic of debate

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<v Speaker 2>was war and the insistence that Trump didn't start to

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<v Speaker 2>any new wars, unlike Biden and Harris, who have personally

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<v Speaker 2>started wars. I guess, with Kirk crediting Biden for starting

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<v Speaker 2>the Russia Ukraine War by financing the Ukrainian defensive, as

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<v Speaker 2>well as roping in Harris by saying that she was

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<v Speaker 2>quote in charge of the Russia Ukrainian War before it happened, unquote,

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<v Speaker 2>which really doesn't make much sense as a sentence. The

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<v Speaker 2>VEK later added that Kamala Harris was personally in charge

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<v Speaker 2>of the withdrawal from Afghanistan, which again just isn't true.

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<v Speaker 2>The Vek is parroting a failed attempt by Republican lawmakers

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<v Speaker 2>from last September to invent some way to blame Harris

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<v Speaker 2>for the Afghanistan withdrawal now that she is the presidential nominee.

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<v Speaker 2>Harris is only mentioned three times times in the three thousand,

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<v Speaker 2>two hundred and eighty eight pages of interview transcripts from

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<v Speaker 2>the Foreign Affairs Committee's investigation of the withdrawal, but by

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<v Speaker 2>far Charlie and Avek's main focus on the topic of

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<v Speaker 2>war is just defending Russia.

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<v Speaker 3>Donald Trump's going to negotiate an end of that war.

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<v Speaker 3>That's reasonable.

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<v Speaker 5>Kamala Harris and Joe Biden have created that war and

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<v Speaker 5>escalated that over the last three year.

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<v Speaker 2>Trump did not really end any wars in his first term.

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<v Speaker 2>In fact, he increased US troop levels in twenty seventeen

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<v Speaker 2>and raised the number of civilian deaths in Afghanistan from

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<v Speaker 2>drones strikes by three hundred and thirty percent, according to

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<v Speaker 2>Brown University. Still, Leveck tried to frame Trump as the

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<v Speaker 2>much more principled anti war candidate, in which candidate was there.

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<v Speaker 3>A major war in the Middle East? Was there a

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<v Speaker 3>major war in the midleaser Donald Trump.

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<v Speaker 2>There were multiple arms deal packages to Saudi Arabia for

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<v Speaker 2>the war in Yemen, and the US increased its involvement

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<v Speaker 2>in the Syrians Civil War under Trump. But to Thevek's

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<v Speaker 2>earlier point, I really don't see no way Trump would

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<v Speaker 2>end the war in Ukraine. That isn't just giving more

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<v Speaker 2>territory over to Russia. But to Charlie Kirk that might

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<v Speaker 2>not be such a bad thing, since he seems to

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<v Speaker 2>be kind of fond of Russia.

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<v Speaker 3>You know who is the enemy?

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<v Speaker 4>China is the enemy, Hey, Russia, Well, Russia's not the enemy.

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<v Speaker 4>Exactly how many of your friends have died because of Russians.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's another SoundBite from the VEK.

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<v Speaker 5>Joe Biden and Kyple Harris, along with some Republican help.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm gonna admit is sending more money to escalate that

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<v Speaker 5>war that otherwise would have resolved itself if we had

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<v Speaker 5>just negotiated peace back in twenty twenty two.

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<v Speaker 2>Resolves itself. Sounds a lot like the VEK just means

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<v Speaker 2>that Russia would have just seized territory, and like later

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<v Speaker 2>on the VEK argued that Ukraine just shouldn't be getting

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<v Speaker 2>any NATO protection at all.

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<v Speaker 5>So the US actually made a commitment back in nineteen

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<v Speaker 5>ninety to say that NATO would expand not one inch

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<v Speaker 5>past East Germany.

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<v Speaker 2>Hmmm, I wonder what may have been different geopolitically in

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen ninety in relation to Russia the vas. I wonder

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<v Speaker 2>if anything has happened since nineteen ninety that might affect

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<v Speaker 2>certain Slavic territories of a vek I wonder, Oh my god. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>the topic discussed probably the most during this event was immigration.

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<v Speaker 2>Even the liberal college students seem to believe that an

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<v Speaker 2>influx of immigration was the biggest problem currently facing the

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<v Speaker 2>United States. Kirk claimed that Kamala Harris let ten million

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<v Speaker 2>new quote unquote illegal immigrants into the country, and like

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<v Speaker 2>no the total population of undocumented immigrants in this country

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<v Speaker 2>has fluctuated between ten to twelve million over the course

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<v Speaker 2>of the past twenty years. Though, like JD. Vance, Kirk

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<v Speaker 2>considers most immigrants illegal regardless of their actual status. Kirk

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<v Speaker 2>claimed that the quote unquote nine million immigrants seeking asylum

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<v Speaker 2>that have come into this country under Biden are all

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<v Speaker 2>illegal because they are quote cartel sponsored fraudulent asylum claims unquote.

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<v Speaker 2>Kirk said that these false asylum seekers pay cartels ten

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<v Speaker 2>thousand dollars to be smuggled into the United States.

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<v Speaker 4>They're all illegal because they're we know it's actually we

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<v Speaker 4>know it to be true.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not the question line. They're frauds.

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<v Speaker 4>They're defrauding the American immigration system, is what they're doing.

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<v Speaker 2>When pressed for proof on this, Kirk just stumbled, and

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<v Speaker 2>Vivek took over and later just plugged his new movie

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<v Speaker 2>about illegal immigration.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, I mean so, for example, what is the asylum

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<v Speaker 4>claim if you're coming from from George Korea?

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<v Speaker 3>Actually?

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, wow, very very convincing stuff happening. Theaveck argued that

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<v Speaker 2>most immigrants lie about seeking asylum in order to enter

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<v Speaker 2>the country, and since that's illegal, that makes them more

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<v Speaker 2>likely to commit other crimes once in the United States.

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<v Speaker 5>So right now, our immigration system literally selects for the

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<v Speaker 5>people who are most willing to lie to the US

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<v Speaker 5>government to get in. And that's why it's no surprise

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<v Speaker 5>that the people whose first act of entering the country

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<v Speaker 5>breaks the law often continue to break the law while

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<v Speaker 5>they're already here.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think that's racist or xenophobic.

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<v Speaker 5>I think it's a fact based on who we're actually

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<v Speaker 5>selecting to come into the country.

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<v Speaker 2>In actuality, Immigrants and especially undocumented or quote unquote illegal immigrants,

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<v Speaker 2>are far less likely to commit crimes than US citizens.

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<v Speaker 2>Most research puts it between forty to sixty percent less likely,

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<v Speaker 2>at least according to Stanford, the Texas Department of Public Safety,

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<v Speaker 2>and the Cato Institute, all famously liberal organizations. One thing

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<v Speaker 2>that Kirk kept trying to do is pander his nationalism

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<v Speaker 2>towards the racially diverse audience of Atlanta students.

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<v Speaker 4>The people in this audience, which is a very diverse audience,

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<v Speaker 4>specifically Black Americans, should be incensed that they're being replaced

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<v Speaker 4>by foreigners. Black Americans are now being put aside so

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<v Speaker 4>that a bunch of foreigners can come undercut wages and

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<v Speaker 4>fill your city. The black community, which you obviously both

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<v Speaker 4>care a lot about, is actually not being prioritized. Instead,

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<v Speaker 4>people from the Third World are coming in and Black

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<v Speaker 4>America is getting put last, which seems to be a

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<v Speaker 4>common theme over the last sixty years when Democrats are

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<v Speaker 4>in control.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, okay, we'll find that, Thank you guys, so much,

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<v Speaker 3>thank you, thank you guys.

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<v Speaker 2>The worst part is that this seemed to work the

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<v Speaker 2>audience seemed to resonate with this grossly fascistic framing, seemingly

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<v Speaker 2>unable to recognize what Kirk was doing, and at this

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<v Speaker 2>point I was just like fucking losing it. Vi Veck

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<v Speaker 2>said that if you don't know English, you shouldn't be

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<v Speaker 2>allowed in the United States, and like no one cared,

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<v Speaker 2>no one pushed back on that. A pro Kamala person

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<v Speaker 2>repeated false migrant crime wave rhetoric in her question about

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<v Speaker 2>the Venezuelan refugee crisis. That student said that three hundred

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<v Speaker 2>thousand Venezuelan refugees came to the United States in twenty

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<v Speaker 2>twenty three, and Kirk then claimed that three million more

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<v Speaker 2>would arrive if Kamala is elected, along with twenty million

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<v Speaker 2>more immigrants. Kirk promised that if Trump's elected, any immigrant,

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<v Speaker 2>whether legal, undocumented, or a refugee, just any immigrant who

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<v Speaker 2>commits a crime like a dui will be immediately deported.

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<v Speaker 2>And unfortunately, when pressed to defend or even just openly

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<v Speaker 2>express their own personal views on whatever the topic of

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<v Speaker 2>debate was, multiple students just like completely backed down, saying

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<v Speaker 2>that they would rather quote unquote stay out of the

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<v Speaker 2>political realm or in another instance, political charge fair enough,

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<v Speaker 2>what are you doing. You're trying to debate about access

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<v Speaker 2>to abortion or if all immigrants should be rounded up

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<v Speaker 2>and deported, But you don't want to get quote unquote

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<v Speaker 2>too political. What are you talking about. I'm sorry you

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<v Speaker 2>couldn't get a fast dunk on Charlie Kirk, but come on.

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<v Speaker 2>But perhaps the most disheartening moment was when Charlie Kirk

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<v Speaker 2>was challenged on his opposition to the Civil Rights Act.

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<v Speaker 2>Someone asked why Charlie thinks that the Civil Rights Act

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<v Speaker 2>was a mistake. Kirk started by saying that even if

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<v Speaker 2>some of the original intent was good, it's now being

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<v Speaker 2>used for bad things, like allowing men in women's locker rooms,

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<v Speaker 2>to the complete shock of the questionnaire, Kirk and Vivek

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<v Speaker 2>then went on to explain why we should repeal the

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<v Speaker 2>Civil Rights Act.

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<v Speaker 4>The fanfare that the Civil Rights Act is met with.

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<v Speaker 4>It's almost like the new Constitution. We talked about the

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<v Speaker 4>Civil Rights Act more than the Constitution. Is it is

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<v Speaker 4>cited more than the Constitution. We almost had a new

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<v Speaker 4>American founding in the nineteen sixties with the Civil Rights Act.

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<v Speaker 5>So let me share a couple of couple hard facts

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<v Speaker 5>with you, which is that turns out that you're much

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<v Speaker 5>more likely to end up in prison, you're much more

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<v Speaker 5>likely to end up in poverty, you're much more likely

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<v Speaker 5>not to graduate from high school if you grow up

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<v Speaker 5>in a single parent household versus dual parent house So

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<v Speaker 5>today you're talking about upwards of sixty percent of black

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<v Speaker 5>kids born into single parent households rather than dual parent

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<v Speaker 5>What number do you think that was in the nineteen

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<v Speaker 5>fifties before the Great Society? Probably it was even less

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<v Speaker 5>twenty percent twenty percent back then. So then we look

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<v Speaker 5>at what the results have been of this entire agenda.

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<v Speaker 5>Put the Civil Rights Act, put the LBJ, Great Society.

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<v Speaker 5>Black Americans are worse off today even economically in terms

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<v Speaker 5>of mobility than they were back then, in the name

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<v Speaker 5>of laws that were passed to supposedly advance black interests.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh God, do you know what that can actually be

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<v Speaker 2>attributed to. It's the massive increase in policing and the

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<v Speaker 2>cartional justice system that was specifically intensified as a conservative

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<v Speaker 2>reaction to black people gaining more civil rights in society.

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<v Speaker 4>The Civil Rights Act has nine different titles in it,

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<v Speaker 4>and you have this this leviathan that was created and

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<v Speaker 4>something that most Black Americans don't support is men and

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<v Speaker 4>female sports. Would you agree.

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<v Speaker 3>Men playing in female sports?

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<v Speaker 4>I have no, Yeah, I know, no, no, for sure, right,

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<v Speaker 4>believe it or not, The Civil Rights Act is now

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<v Speaker 4>being used to keep men playing in women's sports. So

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<v Speaker 4>the Civil Rights Act was used to help Black America

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<v Speaker 4>originally totally get that, but now the.

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<v Speaker 3>Way it was written is that any.

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<v Speaker 4>Claim of identification, so someone says I'm a woman, therefore

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<v Speaker 4>I can compete in your volleyball team, they come in

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<v Speaker 4>with a civil rights claim. And so what we're saying

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<v Speaker 4>is no, no, no, it should be specified to racial,

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<v Speaker 4>not gender all that other stuff. And there were all

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<v Speaker 4>these other provisions as well.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, how sad is it that this kid was

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<v Speaker 2>convinced that the fucking Civil Rights Act is bad through transphobia.

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<v Speaker 2>It's so fucking predatory what Kirk is doing here. This

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<v Speaker 2>was so fucking gross to watch in person. As the

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<v Speaker 2>day went on, things just started to get more and

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<v Speaker 2>more kookie. A whole batch of like libertarian Austrian traded

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<v Speaker 2>economists went back and forth with Charles in a Vak

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<v Speaker 2>on tariffs, free markets, and the validity of the economic

0:28:04.640 --> 0:28:09.920
<v Speaker 2>philosophy of Frederick Hayek. This fucking dude with a little

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<v Speaker 2>mustache who ostensibly got up to debate Kirk on abortion,

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<v Speaker 2>said that quote, I think my generation has started to

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<v Speaker 2>abuse the option of abortion. Unquote, like why the fuck

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<v Speaker 2>are you up there debating him? Then Jesus Christ and

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<v Speaker 2>then what I would call generously a himbo in a

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<v Speaker 2>white dude's for Harris shirt said that Kamala's greatest accomplishment

0:28:34.760 --> 0:28:38.480
<v Speaker 2>is being an idol. After debating Kirk about FEMA money

0:28:38.600 --> 0:28:43.160
<v Speaker 2>being spent on illegal immigrants. Meanwhile, Kirk just continued to

0:28:43.200 --> 0:28:48.080
<v Speaker 2>to spew COVID nineteen conspiracy theories to very little pushback.

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<v Speaker 4>They were wrong about everything. They were wrong about six

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<v Speaker 4>feet of sould his spread. They were wrong about the

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<v Speaker 4>vaccine safe and effective.

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<v Speaker 5>They were wait, they were wrong about whether the Arthur

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<v Speaker 5>revolves around the sun.

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<v Speaker 2>What are you talking about?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 2>One student just got so fed up up with Kirk's

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<v Speaker 2>endless rambling about topics unrelated to their question and decided

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<v Speaker 2>to walk away, which then, of course, Kirk claimed as

0:29:08.640 --> 0:29:09.840
<v Speaker 2>a rhetorical victory.

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<v Speaker 3>How to biden laptop misinformation? Where did the virus come from? Biolabs?

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<v Speaker 4>No, it's exactly how fun it's okay go to your

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<v Speaker 4>epics class.

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<v Speaker 2>I was losing it and frankly just shocked at how

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<v Speaker 2>little pushback Charles and Vivek were receiving for what I

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<v Speaker 2>saw is very clear lies and manipulative debate tactics. The

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<v Speaker 2>majority of people clearly did not think too hard about

0:29:36.560 --> 0:29:38.880
<v Speaker 2>the question they were going to ask, or let alone

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<v Speaker 2>research the topic of debate beforehand. I saw people in

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<v Speaker 2>line to ask a question using chat GPT to generate

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<v Speaker 2>questions to ask using a prompt about how to debate

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<v Speaker 2>Charlie Kirk at a turning point USA event, like what

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<v Speaker 2>the fuck is going on now? I fundamentally refuse to

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<v Speaker 2>participate in quote unquote debates like this for reasons that

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<v Speaker 2>I will soon get into. So I just started taking

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<v Speaker 2>notes of all the things Charlie was lying about, and

0:30:12.680 --> 0:30:14.720
<v Speaker 2>I was right at the very front of the crowd.

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<v Speaker 2>So whenever TPUSA publishes the video Charlie Kirk destroying silly

0:30:19.720 --> 0:30:23.080
<v Speaker 2>liberal college students, you should be able to see me

0:30:23.240 --> 0:30:26.960
<v Speaker 2>pretty clearly in the background in my fucking Ronald Reagan

0:30:27.000 --> 0:30:31.240
<v Speaker 2>a hat, just furiously scribbling down notes. Though I would

0:30:31.360 --> 0:30:33.920
<v Speaker 2>recommend watching with an ad blocker not to give Kirk

0:30:34.000 --> 0:30:37.760
<v Speaker 2>extra money. The whole event was a pretty pathetic affair.

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<v Speaker 2>By my count, there were only eight liberal leaning challengers

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<v Speaker 2>who questioned Kirk compared to thirteen conservative leaning questionnaires who

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<v Speaker 2>entered a friendly discussion with Kirk. Out of all, the

0:30:52.360 --> 0:30:56.000
<v Speaker 2>liberal debaters, too backed down because they didn't want to

0:30:56.040 --> 0:31:00.080
<v Speaker 2>get too political, and three others appeared to be at

0:31:00.160 --> 0:31:04.880
<v Speaker 2>least somewhat swayed by Kirk and Vivek. Now, Like, I

0:31:05.120 --> 0:31:09.200
<v Speaker 2>can't entirely blame these students, right, Like, this setting is

0:31:09.360 --> 0:31:12.440
<v Speaker 2>not a real debate. Kirk holds all of the power.

0:31:12.560 --> 0:31:14.760
<v Speaker 2>He does this for a living, and he fucking brought

0:31:14.840 --> 0:31:17.520
<v Speaker 2>a friend with him to health. It's two of them

0:31:17.600 --> 0:31:20.680
<v Speaker 2>versus one. It's Kirk and Vivek. There's a reason he

0:31:20.800 --> 0:31:25.800
<v Speaker 2>prefers debating college students rather than working professionals. Most students

0:31:25.880 --> 0:31:29.600
<v Speaker 2>are not prepared to effectively counter Kirk's claims and don't

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<v Speaker 2>have enough general knowledge on current events to call him

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<v Speaker 2>out on every one of his many lies. And even

0:31:35.880 --> 0:31:38.280
<v Speaker 2>if they do catch him on something, Kirk will try

0:31:38.320 --> 0:31:42.200
<v Speaker 2>to project authority to sway the uneducated audience into believing

0:31:42.280 --> 0:31:46.600
<v Speaker 2>that he is correct, just because teens are chronically online

0:31:47.080 --> 0:31:50.440
<v Speaker 2>doesn't mean that they have better media literacy, critical thinking,

0:31:51.000 --> 0:31:54.680
<v Speaker 2>or know how to determine the validity of information. A

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty four survey by News Literacy America found that

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<v Speaker 2>only fifty percent of teens could identify that in article

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<v Speaker 2>labeled as branded content on a news site was in

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<v Speaker 2>fact an advertisement. Barely over half of teens could accurately

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<v Speaker 2>identify an op ed with the word commentary in the

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<v Speaker 2>headline as an opinion piece. Forty four percent claimed that

0:32:16.280 --> 0:32:19.600
<v Speaker 2>a company's own press release was more credible than an

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<v Speaker 2>independent news report on the same subject, and thirty four

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<v Speaker 2>percent of teens incorrectly labeled a random picture of damaged

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<v Speaker 2>traffic lights as quote unquote strong evidence supporting a viral

0:32:32.320 --> 0:32:36.680
<v Speaker 2>false claim that hot July temperatures had melted traffic lights.

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<v Speaker 2>These teens surveyed said that local TV news and TikTok

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<v Speaker 2>were the most trustworthy sources of information, and thirty five

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<v Speaker 2>percent of teens said that professional journalists are more biased

0:32:49.440 --> 0:32:53.600
<v Speaker 2>than social media content creators. Meanwhile, forty five percent said

0:32:53.640 --> 0:32:57.760
<v Speaker 2>that journalists are just as biased as these TikTok influencers.

0:32:58.880 --> 0:33:01.280
<v Speaker 2>Let's do a test right now now. Try to see

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<v Speaker 2>if you can determine that these following clips are in

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<v Speaker 2>fact advertisements. Okay, we are back now. This was technically

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<v Speaker 2>my first time seeing this format of conservative YouTube debate

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<v Speaker 2>in person. The videos that get published online later get

0:33:29.400 --> 0:33:32.800
<v Speaker 2>heavily edited down, and while I was going at it

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<v Speaker 2>in my notepad, I started to recognize the repeating patterns

0:33:36.920 --> 0:33:40.680
<v Speaker 2>that Kirk and Vivek employed to gain dominance in almost

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<v Speaker 2>every single debate matchup. So now I'm going to talk

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<v Speaker 2>about some of these common tactics used by Kirk. When

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<v Speaker 2>Kerk Orvivec wants to end a particular line of questioning

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<v Speaker 2>or move on to the next person, they'll just restate

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<v Speaker 2>their own opinions as fact and then end that debate,

0:33:59.080 --> 0:34:02.880
<v Speaker 2>leaving the impression that they won. They can just stop

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<v Speaker 2>whenever they feel like they have made the final point

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<v Speaker 2>that gives them victory. Here's the VEC.

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<v Speaker 5>The number one human attribute that our legal immigration system

0:34:11.680 --> 0:34:14.319
<v Speaker 5>selects for isn't who's smart. Isn't who's going to work hard,

0:34:14.600 --> 0:34:16.480
<v Speaker 5>isn't who loves the country. It's are you willing to

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<v Speaker 5>lie to the US government or not? If you are,

0:34:18.719 --> 0:34:19.080
<v Speaker 5>you get in.

0:34:19.280 --> 0:34:20.680
<v Speaker 3>If not, you don't. That's the way it works.

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<v Speaker 5>Thank you so much.

0:34:21.440 --> 0:34:21.719
<v Speaker 3>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>And here's another example from Kirk.

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<v Speaker 4>Black Americans are treated far worse than illegals in this country,

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<v Speaker 4>and we have, we have violated our social contract to

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<v Speaker 4>our own citizens. And I just want you to think

0:34:32.080 --> 0:34:34.720
<v Speaker 4>about that, okay, is that if you break into America,

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<v Speaker 4>you get a flight to the country the city of

0:34:36.239 --> 0:34:39.759
<v Speaker 4>your choosing, You get taxpayer funded luxury hotels, you get

0:34:39.840 --> 0:34:43.680
<v Speaker 4>a taxpayer funded phone, taxpayer funded food stamps, whereas many

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<v Speaker 4>Americans are struggling to even make ends meet.

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<v Speaker 3>So thank you so much for coming.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, what a convenient way to say a bunch of

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<v Speaker 2>bullshit without having to back any of it enough. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>of of course, welfare programs like food stamps and even

0:34:56.719 --> 0:34:59.719
<v Speaker 2>assistants to get access to smartphones, since they basically are

0:34:59.800 --> 0:35:03.480
<v Speaker 2>now requirement of everyday life, those programs do exist, right,

0:35:03.600 --> 0:35:08.040
<v Speaker 2>Those are important programs. But those free flights to any city,

0:35:08.800 --> 0:35:12.080
<v Speaker 2>that's actually a reference to New York City's reticketing program,

0:35:12.200 --> 0:35:15.080
<v Speaker 2>which offers one way bus or plane tickets out of

0:35:15.120 --> 0:35:18.760
<v Speaker 2>the city. This program was actually started because the governor

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<v Speaker 2>of Texas sent forty thousand immigrants to New York against

0:35:22.239 --> 0:35:26.720
<v Speaker 2>their will, and those quote unquote. Luxury hotels are actually

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<v Speaker 2>a small part of an emergency housing program that utilizes

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<v Speaker 2>some converted hotels as well as airport motels and even

0:35:34.840 --> 0:35:39.399
<v Speaker 2>office buildings as temporary shelter for immigrants. But I'm sure

0:35:39.600 --> 0:35:42.080
<v Speaker 2>Kirk would rather these people just be homeless living on

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<v Speaker 2>the street. I'm sure he wouldn't find ways to complain

0:35:44.280 --> 0:35:48.360
<v Speaker 2>about that too. A very common Kirk tactic to avoid

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<v Speaker 2>answering a question is just to simply flip it around

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<v Speaker 2>and ask the students a different question that might eventually

0:35:56.080 --> 0:35:59.879
<v Speaker 2>be related to the student's original question, but not necessarily.

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<v Speaker 3>Let me ask you just one more question. Can men

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<v Speaker 3>give birth? Can men give birth? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 5>If they're a transgender.

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<v Speaker 2>Q. The audience's shocked response. These people probably don't even

0:36:11.920 --> 0:36:13.880
<v Speaker 2>know if this refers to a transgender woman or a

0:36:13.920 --> 0:36:18.719
<v Speaker 2>transgender man. Whatever. For another example, here's how Levek responded

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<v Speaker 2>to a question about voter fraud allegations.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you think dal Trump committed a coup against the

0:36:23.400 --> 0:36:23.920
<v Speaker 3>US government?

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<v Speaker 2>This was part of Kirk's response to a question about

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<v Speaker 2>US aid to Israel.

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<v Speaker 4>What is your strong opinion about the civil war happening

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<v Speaker 4>in the Central African Republic?

0:36:31.960 --> 0:36:34.759
<v Speaker 2>For another example, a student asked Kirk what should be

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<v Speaker 2>done about hate crimes against Venezuelan immigrants in cities like Chicago.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that we.

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<v Speaker 3>Should do about I have a question, So what part

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<v Speaker 3>are chicagi from?

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<v Speaker 2>So these are all just classic red herricks. Here's another.

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<v Speaker 4>You admit that the Hamas tried to commit genocide on

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<v Speaker 4>October seven?

0:36:50.600 --> 0:36:54.720
<v Speaker 2>Also simply not what a genocide is now. Sometimes students

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<v Speaker 2>can catch what Kirk is doing with red herrings and deflections,

0:36:58.400 --> 0:37:01.200
<v Speaker 2>but even when drilled down on the original line of questioning,

0:37:01.600 --> 0:37:05.120
<v Speaker 2>Kirk will try hard to pivot away whenever the momentum

0:37:05.320 --> 0:37:06.800
<v Speaker 2>is not going in his favor.

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<v Speaker 4>You guys are super focused on technical things that we

0:37:11.120 --> 0:37:13.040
<v Speaker 4>could talk about forever. Let me just ask a question.

0:37:14.040 --> 0:37:17.080
<v Speaker 4>I asked you, what is Kamala Harris's greatest accomplishment? Can

0:37:17.120 --> 0:37:18.320
<v Speaker 4>you tell me what that would be?

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<v Speaker 2>Perhaps the most common tactic Charlie Kirk employs to maintain

0:37:23.120 --> 0:37:27.480
<v Speaker 2>control over the interaction is instead of just stating his opinion,

0:37:28.040 --> 0:37:30.920
<v Speaker 2>Kirk will throw a question back to his opponent with

0:37:31.080 --> 0:37:34.000
<v Speaker 2>the intent of getting them to say something that's in

0:37:34.120 --> 0:37:39.480
<v Speaker 2>support of Kirk's own argument. Alternatively, Kirk will ask a

0:37:39.600 --> 0:37:44.200
<v Speaker 2>question that the student probably doesn't know, like some specific

0:37:44.320 --> 0:37:47.920
<v Speaker 2>stat but something that Kirk already has a prepared answer for,

0:37:48.520 --> 0:37:51.600
<v Speaker 2>so that he can throw off his opponent, make them

0:37:51.719 --> 0:37:55.880
<v Speaker 2>question their own ability to debate, and make himself seem smarter.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's a short compilation.

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<v Speaker 4>If there was a policy that made markets more free

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<v Speaker 4>but hurt your country, would you support it? Do you

0:38:05.400 --> 0:38:08.640
<v Speaker 4>believe that FDR was right and partnering with Joseph Stalin

0:38:08.680 --> 0:38:09.359
<v Speaker 4>to defeat Hitler?

0:38:09.560 --> 0:38:09.759
<v Speaker 5>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 4>So, I guess two questions with tariffs? How do you

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<v Speaker 4>avoid a Tariff's? Ask another moral question?

0:38:13.640 --> 0:38:13.719
<v Speaker 2>Then?

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<v Speaker 3>Is it ever okay to do something evil? After an art?

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<v Speaker 3>Under abortion?

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<v Speaker 4>Do you carve out a new morality? Is there like

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<v Speaker 4>a different kind of morality that we apply only to abortion?

0:38:22.400 --> 0:38:23.759
<v Speaker 4>At what point does it get human rights?

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<v Speaker 3>Let me ask you just a question.

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<v Speaker 5>Do you know which nation is the biggest supplier of

0:38:28.400 --> 0:38:29.600
<v Speaker 5>the US military today?

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<v Speaker 3>You could probably guess it.

0:38:30.560 --> 0:38:32.520
<v Speaker 4>Is your phone paid for by US taxpayers. Let me

0:38:32.600 --> 0:38:34.719
<v Speaker 4>ask you, did you have a vacation this summer in

0:38:34.760 --> 0:38:37.319
<v Speaker 4>a luxury hotel paid for by taxpayers? Ten people are

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<v Speaker 4>murdered in Chicago. Out of those ten, how many of

0:38:40.120 --> 0:38:42.719
<v Speaker 4>those cases will be solved on average. Do you think okay,

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<v Speaker 4>so you said he suspended wanted to suspend the constitution?

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<v Speaker 3>Did he do that when he was president?

0:38:47.600 --> 0:38:51.040
<v Speaker 2>His arcumentative style looks pretty goofy when it's all broken

0:38:51.160 --> 0:38:54.600
<v Speaker 2>down into its respective parts. Now to circle back to

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<v Speaker 2>my stance of just never engaging with these bad faith

0:38:58.360 --> 0:39:02.520
<v Speaker 2>debate spectacles, lastly, I'll show you what happens when you

0:39:02.640 --> 0:39:06.920
<v Speaker 2>quote unquote do well against someone like Charlie Kirk. I

0:39:06.960 --> 0:39:09.600
<v Speaker 2>think the only time Kirk was really thrown off was

0:39:09.719 --> 0:39:12.440
<v Speaker 2>during one of the very last matchups, with a student

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<v Speaker 2>asking about Kirk's support of military aid to Israel despite

0:39:16.600 --> 0:39:19.320
<v Speaker 2>his alleged anti war stance and his call for the

0:39:19.480 --> 0:39:22.920
<v Speaker 2>US to pause all foreign aid until the southern border

0:39:23.080 --> 0:39:28.000
<v Speaker 2>is secured. Like usual, Kirk first tried to deflect by

0:39:28.080 --> 0:39:31.280
<v Speaker 2>using red herrings and turn questions back on the student.

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<v Speaker 4>Let me ask you a first principal question. Do you

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<v Speaker 4>think the Jewish people have a moral right to their religions?

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<v Speaker 3>Do not have any?

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<v Speaker 2>Kirk then failed to accuse the student of anti Semitism.

0:39:44.400 --> 0:39:46.719
<v Speaker 2>Kirk then tried to trick the student into saying that

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<v Speaker 2>Hamas is more morally good than Israel, but the student

0:39:51.760 --> 0:39:54.080
<v Speaker 2>saw what Kirk was trying to do with his bizarre

0:39:54.320 --> 0:39:55.360
<v Speaker 2>moralistic framing.

0:39:55.680 --> 0:39:58.759
<v Speaker 4>Do you think that Israel as it's currently constituted is

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<v Speaker 4>morally equivalent with Hamas?

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<v Speaker 2>The student quite wisely did not answer Kirk's precariously worded

0:40:05.560 --> 0:40:09.600
<v Speaker 2>yes or no question, and instead reframed the question in

0:40:09.719 --> 0:40:13.480
<v Speaker 2>their own words, and only then stated their opinion that

0:40:13.680 --> 0:40:19.680
<v Speaker 2>both Hamas and the IDs actions can be constituted as evil. Still,

0:40:20.000 --> 0:40:21.400
<v Speaker 2>Kirk wouldn't relent.

0:40:21.480 --> 0:40:23.839
<v Speaker 3>So which one is better? Which one is good? Is better?

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<v Speaker 2>His nonsensical framing was once again rejected, But then Kirk

0:40:28.360 --> 0:40:32.440
<v Speaker 2>accused the student of being propagandized and then asked if

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<v Speaker 2>they had personally been to Israel to assess the situation.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is when everything fell apart.

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<v Speaker 6>Let me tell you this that you know that there's

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<v Speaker 6>Arab serving in the Knesset, and you know that why

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<v Speaker 6>your point of Jews saying I don't like Jews because Israel.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm just gonna I'm gonna go back to this because

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<v Speaker 4>I think it's so interesting though, which is that I

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<v Speaker 4>believe that the Jewish people do have a right there

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<v Speaker 4>in Cstralhia.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, first of all, you believe that they should be

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<v Speaker 6>leveling buildings because that's.

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<v Speaker 3>Their in central. I'm not I'm not defending every decision.

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<v Speaker 3>That's exactly what they're doing.

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<v Speaker 4>Interrupt every you're interrupting, I'm gonna have for our next

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<v Speaker 4>question because you're not arguings. Not much a debate because

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<v Speaker 4>I believe that Israel should exist in its current form,

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<v Speaker 4>you do not, thank you very much.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay.

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<v Speaker 3>Last couple of the.

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<v Speaker 4>Moral confusion on the Israel topic is it's it's hard

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<v Speaker 4>to clear up in a veny like this.

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<v Speaker 2>Again, like these aren't real debates. If the conversation goes

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<v Speaker 2>any way other than how Kirk wants it to go,

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<v Speaker 2>he has complete control of the environment and can move

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<v Speaker 2>on to a more desirable opponent because, like, beyond convincing

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<v Speaker 2>any gullible people that might happen to be in the crowd,

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<v Speaker 2>the real reason Kirk does events like this is to

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<v Speaker 2>make content. It's YouTube debate. These debate videos rack of

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<v Speaker 2>thousands and sometimes millions of views on YouTube and TikTok,

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<v Speaker 2>and every single person that participates as if these are

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<v Speaker 2>real debates is directly helping Charlie Kirk and make money

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<v Speaker 2>and grow his brand. This TPUSA Brainwash Tour will continue

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<v Speaker 2>into November, and I'm sure Charlie Kirk will keep doing

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<v Speaker 2>events like this in the years to come, regardless of

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<v Speaker 2>who wins the election. So what's the options to counter

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<v Speaker 2>something like this? I'm of three minds. My default response

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<v Speaker 2>to stuff like this is usually just to ignore. Don't

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<v Speaker 2>give these attention hounds what they're looking for, don't try

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<v Speaker 2>to debate, don't try to own Charlie Kirk with facts

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<v Speaker 2>and logic. There's no real benefit from engaging with him

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<v Speaker 2>and his ILK on their own terms. But there will

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<v Speaker 2>always be at least a few college students who think

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<v Speaker 2>they can get one up on Charlie Kirk. So since

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<v Speaker 2>these events are gonna continue to happen even if my

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<v Speaker 2>friends and I withhold our participation, the second option is

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<v Speaker 2>just to simply confuse. This is what I call the

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<v Speaker 2>skibbity bite in strategy, one which I deployed against the

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<v Speaker 2>my pillow guy, Mike Lindell in front of the Israeli

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<v Speaker 2>Consulate as he tried to set up as much attention

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<v Speaker 2>as possible during the DNC them skibbity Biden, Sir, skibbity Biden.

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<v Speaker 5>If you buy one.

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<v Speaker 2>This was probably my favorite moment of the DNC. This

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<v Speaker 2>strategy of complete confusion doesn't just deny the subject what

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<v Speaker 2>they want if you're the my pillow guy attention from

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<v Speaker 2>reporters or, in the case of Charlie Kirk, an unfair

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<v Speaker 2>debate against a non media trained college freshman. But the

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<v Speaker 2>Skibbity Biden strategy also eats up their time, prohibiting others

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<v Speaker 2>from being able to engage on the terms decided upon

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<v Speaker 2>by turning point USA. The more time you spend spewing

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<v Speaker 2>your near unintelligible gibberish about how Warhammer connects to US

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<v Speaker 2>foreign policy or explaining your made up conspiracy theory about

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<v Speaker 2>how the Hawktua girl is a CIA asset. All of

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<v Speaker 2>that is less time for some nineteen year olds to

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<v Speaker 2>challenge Kirk on his abortion views, and a knowing Charlie

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<v Speaker 2>Kirk is just a fun bonus. Now that I think

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<v Speaker 2>about it, This is essentially the patent Oswalt filibuster tactic. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>obviously Kirk has control of the mic and probably won't

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<v Speaker 2>let you ramble on about gibberish for too long, so

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<v Speaker 2>this strategy becomes more successful if you can get a

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<v Speaker 2>whole team lined up in front of the microphone now. Finally,

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<v Speaker 2>the last option is disruption through force, preferably in a

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<v Speaker 2>way that limits the possibility of creating an on camera

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<v Speaker 2>spectacle that can be utilized by TPUSA. This has typically

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<v Speaker 2>not been a common tactic used to counter turning point

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<v Speaker 2>events on campus, but it may be time to reconsider.

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<v Speaker 2>Forceful disruptions were often utilized when figures like Milo Uanapolis

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<v Speaker 2>toured college campuses back in twenty sixteen to twenty eighteen,

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<v Speaker 2>and more recently against campus events featuring Daily Wire employees

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<v Speaker 2>like Michael Knowles and Matt Walsh. Historically, this strategy has

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<v Speaker 2>not been applied to Charlie Kirk, as he's been viewed

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<v Speaker 2>as less radical than some of these other figures. But

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<v Speaker 2>I just don't think that's true anymore. Kirk is spreading

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<v Speaker 2>and normalizing hardcore as xenophobic and nationalist rhetoric across college

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<v Speaker 2>campuses with little to no resistance, not to mention his

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<v Speaker 2>complete embrace of conspiracy theories and use of transphobia to

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<v Speaker 2>undermine civil rights. There's many ways to disrupt events like

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<v Speaker 2>this through forceful means, sound disruption, visual disruption, physical disruption,

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<v Speaker 2>Planning an alternate event to take place at the same

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<v Speaker 2>time and place big banners with Charles's tiny face carefully

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<v Speaker 2>placed in view of the debate cameras. Creative opportunities abound,

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<v Speaker 2>but it requires people to be actively monitoring when and

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<v Speaker 2>where these events take place and actually plan a counterdemo

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<v Speaker 2>ahead of time, and that just doesn't seem to be

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<v Speaker 2>happening at the moment. And so I thought going to

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<v Speaker 2>this event would help reboot my brain, cheer myself up,

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<v Speaker 2>and amuse me with Charlie's childish display of debate kid politics.

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<v Speaker 2>But it just left me more sad watching hapless kids

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<v Speaker 2>fall prey to Kirk's transparent scheme, just feeling like I

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<v Speaker 2>had no way to stop the train wreck. But it

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't have to be this way. With a few friends

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<v Speaker 2>and a little preparation, there is an alternative, and hey,

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<v Speaker 2>it could happen here. Well that's my recap on this

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<v Speaker 2>fucking Charlie Kirk rally. Oh and heads up, next week,

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<v Speaker 2>there's gonna be no Spooky Week episodes for the first

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<v Speaker 2>time in four years. Sorry, the world has just gotten

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<v Speaker 2>too spooky this year. Between the election and hurricanes and

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<v Speaker 2>the genocide and Gaza and everything else happening, the world's

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<v Speaker 2>just too spooky. I'm really just not feeling Halloween pilled

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<v Speaker 2>as I usually am. Hopefully things will get better soon.

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<v Speaker 2>But in lieu of Spooky Week, we actually have a

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<v Speaker 2>special series from James on the Darien Gap, so you

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<v Speaker 2>have that to look forward to next week. Goodbye everyone,

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<v Speaker 2>see you on the other side.

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