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Speaker 2: This is it could happen here today. I'm your host,

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Speaker 2: Garrison Davis, and they're sure has been a lot happening

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Speaker 2: this past year. I am kind of feeling emotionally exhausted

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Speaker 2: the political desensitization that my job usually provides me. I'm

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Speaker 2: despite the immense evil on display, the sideshow conspiracy theory

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Speaker 2: But the DNC kind of broke me between the infighting

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Speaker 2: among Palestine protesters and the insistence from the official organizers

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Speaker 2: just use the Palestine protests to promote their little socialist

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Speaker 2: newspapers and political orgs. Meanwhile, inside the actual event, I

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Speaker 2: especially Gaza was a deeply unsettling experience like these are

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Speaker 2: supposed to be the if not the good guys, at

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Speaker 2: least the better guys or the less openly fascist guys,

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Speaker 2: and like among the American right wings, unprecedented focus and

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Speaker 2: and trans people were never directly mentioned during the convention's

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Speaker 2: prime time speaking slots. And now it's the election ramping up,

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Speaker 2: and the Southeast still recovering from two devastating hurricanes, Israel

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Speaker 2: just feeling more lost and discombobulated than I have been

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Speaker 2: go to a Charlie Kirk and vivek Ramaswami rally at

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Speaker 2: Georgia State University. Now to some that may sound just

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Speaker 2: but look like I've been covering far right rallies and

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Speaker 2: writing about these weird conservative influencers for years now. It's

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Speaker 2: going to this Turning Point USA event might help reset

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Speaker 2: my brain by giving myself a simple task that I

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Speaker 2: know I can excel at. But before we get into

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Speaker 2: all that, first, for those more fortunate than I, here's

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Speaker 2: some background on Charlie Kirk, also known as the far

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Speaker 2: right podcaster with the Smallest Face. As a teenager, back

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Speaker 2: in twenty twelve, Charles J. Kirk co founded in organization

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Speaker 2: for campus conservatives called Turning Point USA, and then in

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Speaker 2: twenty nineteen he founded a sister organization called Turning Point Action,

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Speaker 2: which focuses on elections and conservative political advocacy. Though initially

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Speaker 2: more aligned with the so called alt light rather than

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Speaker 2: the alt right, Kirk has slowly moved farther and farther

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Speaker 2: to the right during the past ten years, and by

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty, he embraced election fraud, COVID nineteen, and vaccine

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Speaker 2: conspiracy theories. Also during twenty he started his own podcast,

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Speaker 2: The Charlie Kirk Show, which is now somehow ranked as

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Speaker 2: the number seven podcast for news in Apple Podcasts. So

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Speaker 2: that's not good. At this point, Charlie has kind of

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Speaker 2: allegations of abusing his ex wife. Through the Turning Point

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Speaker 2: mechanisms of the Republican Party than even the Daily Wire is.

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Speaker 2: Just this past Wednesday, Turning Point Action hosted a rally

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Speaker 2: for Trump in Duluth, Georgia, just outside of Atlanta. Trump

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Speaker 2: spoke at this event, and Tucker Carlson made a very

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Speaker 2: fascist speech advocating to refuse the results of the election

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Speaker 2: if Trump loses and likening Trump to a quote unquote

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Speaker 2: quote unquote bad girl the past four years. It's a

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Speaker 2: huge indictment against Americans. Deeply Freudian politics now. The event

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Speaker 2: that I attended on October twenty first was a part

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Speaker 2: of Charlie Kirk's Your Being Brainwashed tour, where Kirk and

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Speaker 2: more in line with this overall strategy to inflate Kirk's

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Speaker 2: Some listeners may have seen the viral video featuring Charlie

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Speaker 2: Kirk debating twenty five quote unquote woke college students for

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Speaker 2: over ninety minutes. This video, from the YouTube channel Jubilee,

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Speaker 2: has over twenty million views and like just as an

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Speaker 2: aside Jubilee is just so deeply evil. This company claims

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Speaker 2: to advocate for like empathy and human connection while turning

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Speaker 2: for YouTube ad revenue, often pitting media trained conservative activists

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Speaker 2: are so bad, but I digress now. I actually attended

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Speaker 2: a Turning Point USA event on the GSU campus last year.

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Speaker 2: It was a smaller event that was ostensibly about defending

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Speaker 2: this other political organization started by Candice Owens called BLEXIT,

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Speaker 2: which stands for the quote Black Exit from the Victimhood

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Speaker 2: metrosexual attire, blamed black people for creating situations that result

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Speaker 2: and closed by saying that we need to support more

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Speaker 2: the plus side, I went undercover to this event, and

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Speaker 2: never happen, since I'm the one who's supposed to be

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Speaker 2: doing it. For the Brainwashed Tour event this past Monday,

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Speaker 2: I dressed like an unfashionable campus conservative and donned my

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Speaker 2: button that read Republicans are Hotter, and I got another, uh,

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Speaker 2: what I would call a brat style button, but brown

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Speaker 2: instead of green, that reads high period stop being a

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Speaker 2: socialist period thanks period. Not good. Not good. But I

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Speaker 2: watched the crowd grow from like twenty people I would

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Speaker 2: all ages who came to campus just to see Charlie Kirk.

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Speaker 2: As the event was about to begin, TPUSA staff moved

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Speaker 2: the surprisingly warm October sun for over an hour, Charles J.

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Speaker 2: Kirk finally arrived thirty minutes late from the official start time,

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Speaker 2: tossing free mega hats wildly into the crowd, one of

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Speaker 2: which I am now in possession of. For this leg

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Speaker 2: of the tour, Kirk has been accompanied by the twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty four Republican presidential candidate with the tallest hair, vivek Ramaswami, who,

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Speaker 2: by the way, has also won the Cool Zone Media

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Speaker 2: seen the vek Ramaswami like four different times this year.

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Speaker 2: That doesn't feel good. But do you know what does

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Speaker 2: feel good? That's right, these products and services that support

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Speaker 2: this podcast. Okay, we are back. It's time to finally

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Speaker 2: over like the whole event play by play, because there

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Speaker 2: was over two hours of quote unquote debating that I

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Speaker 2: The first person to quote unquote debate, Charlie and Vivek,

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Speaker 2: he's anti American and anti patriotic unquote. They said that

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Speaker 2: they believed that Trump fundamentally undermines American values, and they

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Speaker 2: specifically invoked Trump's rhetoric online about suspending the Constitution and

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Speaker 2: the whole January sixth incident. Now, look, I don't think

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Speaker 2: no such thing as hypocrisy. You can never hold anyone

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Speaker 2: Kirk then just went on to deny that Trump called

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Speaker 2: to suspend the constitution.

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Speaker 2: Nice little quick pivot there from Charles. But yes, technically

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Speaker 2: Trump didn't say suspend. He actually said terminate, which is

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Speaker 2: like worse. I don't know. In twenty twenty two, Trump

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Speaker 2: posted on truth Social calling for the quote unquote termination

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Speaker 2: I don't know how Kirk thinks that saying terminate is

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Speaker 4: So Donald Trump is talking with enemy, then he's talking

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Speaker 2: Curious Russia comment there, certainly, but like for this enemy

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Speaker 3: Donald Trump's going to negotiate an end of that war.

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Speaker 3: A major war in the Middle East? Was there a

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Speaker 3: You know who is the enemy?

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Speaker 4: China is the enemy, Hey, Russia, Well, Russia's not the enemy.

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Speaker 4: Exactly how many of your friends have died because of Russians.

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Speaker 5: Joe Biden and Kyple Harris, along with some Republican help.

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Speaker 5: So the US actually made a commitment back in nineteen

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Speaker 2: Kirk said that these false asylum seekers pay cartels ten

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Speaker 4: They're all illegal because they're we know it's actually we

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Speaker 3: It's not the question line. They're frauds.

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Speaker 4: They're defrauding the American immigration system, is what they're doing.

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Speaker 2: When pressed for proof on this, Kirk just stumbled, and

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Speaker 4: Yes, I mean so, for example, what is the asylum

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Speaker 5: So right now, our immigration system literally selects for the

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Speaker 3: I don't think that's racist or xenophobic.

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Speaker 5: I think it's a fact based on who we're actually

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Speaker 2: that Kirk kept trying to do is pander his nationalism

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Speaker 4: The people in this audience, which is a very diverse audience,

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Speaker 3: Well, okay, we'll find that, Thank you guys, so much,

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Speaker 2: The worst part is that this seemed to work the

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Speaker 2: And unfortunately, when pressed to defend or even just openly

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Speaker 2: But perhaps the most disheartening moment was when Charlie Kirk

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Speaker 2: Someone asked why Charlie thinks that the Civil Rights Act

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Speaker 4: The fanfare that the Civil Rights Act is met with.

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Speaker 5: So let me share a couple of couple hard facts

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Speaker 4: The Civil Rights Act has nine different titles in it,

436
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Speaker 4: and you have this this leviathan that was created and

437
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Speaker 4: something that most Black Americans don't support is men and

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Speaker 4: female sports. Would you agree.

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Speaker 3: Men playing in female sports?

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Speaker 4: I have no, Yeah, I know, no, no, for sure, right,

441
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Speaker 4: believe it or not, The Civil Rights Act is now

442
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Speaker 4: being used to keep men playing in women's sports. So

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00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:14,320
Speaker 4: the Civil Rights Act was used to help Black America

444
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:17,000
Speaker 4: originally totally get that, but now the.

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Speaker 3: Way it was written is that any.

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Speaker 4: Claim of identification, so someone says I'm a woman, therefore

447
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Speaker 4: I can compete in your volleyball team, they come in

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Speaker 4: with a civil rights claim. And so what we're saying

449
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Speaker 4: is no, no, no, it should be specified to racial,

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Speaker 4: not gender all that other stuff. And there were all

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Speaker 4: these other provisions as well.

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Speaker 2: All right, how sad is it that this kid was

453
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:43,000
Speaker 2: convinced that the fucking Civil Rights Act is bad through transphobia.

454
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Speaker 2: It's so fucking predatory what Kirk is doing here. This

455
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:49,960
Speaker 2: was so fucking gross to watch in person. As the

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00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:52,359
Speaker 2: day went on, things just started to get more and

457
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:57,240
Speaker 2: more kookie. A whole batch of like libertarian Austrian traded

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Speaker 2: economists went back and forth with Charles in a Vak

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Speaker 2: on tariffs, free markets, and the validity of the economic

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Speaker 2: philosophy of Frederick Hayek. This fucking dude with a little

461
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:12,840
Speaker 2: mustache who ostensibly got up to debate Kirk on abortion,

462
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:17,080
Speaker 2: said that quote, I think my generation has started to

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Speaker 2: abuse the option of abortion. Unquote, like why the fuck

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Speaker 2: are you up there debating him? Then Jesus Christ and

465
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:29,280
Speaker 2: then what I would call generously a himbo in a

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Speaker 2: white dude's for Harris shirt said that Kamala's greatest accomplishment

467
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:38,480
Speaker 2: is being an idol. After debating Kirk about FEMA money

468
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:43,160
Speaker 2: being spent on illegal immigrants. Meanwhile, Kirk just continued to

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00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:48,080
Speaker 2: to spew COVID nineteen conspiracy theories to very little pushback.

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Speaker 4: They were wrong about everything. They were wrong about six

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Speaker 4: feet of sould his spread. They were wrong about the

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Speaker 4: vaccine safe and effective.

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Speaker 5: They were wait, they were wrong about whether the Arthur

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Speaker 5: revolves around the sun.

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Speaker 2: What are you talking about?

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Speaker 1: Oh my god.

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00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:00,760
Speaker 2: One student just got so fed up up with Kirk's

478
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 2: endless rambling about topics unrelated to their question and decided

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Speaker 2: to walk away, which then, of course, Kirk claimed as

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Speaker 2: a rhetorical victory.

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Speaker 3: How to biden laptop misinformation? Where did the virus come from? Biolabs?

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Speaker 4: No, it's exactly how fun it's okay go to your

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Speaker 4: epics class.

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Speaker 2: I was losing it and frankly just shocked at how

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Speaker 2: little pushback Charles and Vivek were receiving for what I

486
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 2: saw is very clear lies and manipulative debate tactics. The

487
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Speaker 2: majority of people clearly did not think too hard about

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Speaker 2: the question they were going to ask, or let alone

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Speaker 2: research the topic of debate beforehand. I saw people in

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Speaker 2: line to ask a question using chat GPT to generate

491
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Speaker 2: questions to ask using a prompt about how to debate

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Speaker 2: Charlie Kirk at a turning point USA event, like what

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Speaker 2: the fuck is going on now? I fundamentally refuse to

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Speaker 2: participate in quote unquote debates like this for reasons that

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Speaker 2: I will soon get into. So I just started taking

496
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Speaker 2: notes of all the things Charlie was lying about, and

497
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:14,720
Speaker 2: I was right at the very front of the crowd.

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Speaker 2: So whenever TPUSA publishes the video Charlie Kirk destroying silly

499
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Speaker 2: liberal college students, you should be able to see me

500
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:26,960
Speaker 2: pretty clearly in the background in my fucking Ronald Reagan

501
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:31,240
Speaker 2: a hat, just furiously scribbling down notes. Though I would

502
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Speaker 2: recommend watching with an ad blocker not to give Kirk

503
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:37,760
Speaker 2: extra money. The whole event was a pretty pathetic affair.

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00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 2: By my count, there were only eight liberal leaning challengers

505
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Speaker 2: who questioned Kirk compared to thirteen conservative leaning questionnaires who

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00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:52,200
Speaker 2: entered a friendly discussion with Kirk. Out of all, the

507
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:56,000
Speaker 2: liberal debaters, too backed down because they didn't want to

508
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Speaker 2: get too political, and three others appeared to be at

509
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 2: least somewhat swayed by Kirk and Vivek. Now, Like, I

510
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:09,200
Speaker 2: can't entirely blame these students, right, Like, this setting is

511
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 2: not a real debate. Kirk holds all of the power.

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Speaker 2: He does this for a living, and he fucking brought

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Speaker 2: a friend with him to health. It's two of them

514
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:20,680
Speaker 2: versus one. It's Kirk and Vivek. There's a reason he

515
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 2: prefers debating college students rather than working professionals. Most students

516
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:29,600
Speaker 2: are not prepared to effectively counter Kirk's claims and don't

517
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 2: have enough general knowledge on current events to call him

518
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Speaker 2: out on every one of his many lies. And even

519
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 2: if they do catch him on something, Kirk will try

520
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 2: to project authority to sway the uneducated audience into believing

521
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Speaker 2: that he is correct, just because teens are chronically online

522
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 2: doesn't mean that they have better media literacy, critical thinking,

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Speaker 2: or know how to determine the validity of information. A

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty four survey by News Literacy America found that

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Speaker 2: only fifty percent of teens could identify that in article

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Speaker 2: labeled as branded content on a news site was in

527
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Speaker 2: fact an advertisement. Barely over half of teens could accurately

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Speaker 2: identify an op ed with the word commentary in the

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Speaker 2: headline as an opinion piece. Forty four percent claimed that

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Speaker 2: a company's own press release was more credible than an

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Speaker 2: independent news report on the same subject, and thirty four

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Speaker 2: percent of teens incorrectly labeled a random picture of damaged

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Speaker 2: traffic lights as quote unquote strong evidence supporting a viral

534
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 2: false claim that hot July temperatures had melted traffic lights.

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Speaker 2: These teens surveyed said that local TV news and TikTok

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Speaker 2: were the most trustworthy sources of information, and thirty five

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Speaker 2: percent of teens said that professional journalists are more biased

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Speaker 2: than social media content creators. Meanwhile, forty five percent said

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Speaker 2: that journalists are just as biased as these TikTok influencers.

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Speaker 2: Let's do a test right now now. Try to see

541
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Speaker 2: if you can determine that these following clips are in

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Speaker 2: fact advertisements. Okay, we are back now. This was technically

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Speaker 2: my first time seeing this format of conservative YouTube debate

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00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 2: in person. The videos that get published online later get

545
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Speaker 2: heavily edited down, and while I was going at it

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00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:36,840
Speaker 2: in my notepad, I started to recognize the repeating patterns

547
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Speaker 2: that Kirk and Vivek employed to gain dominance in almost

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Speaker 2: every single debate matchup. So now I'm going to talk

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Speaker 2: about some of these common tactics used by Kirk. When

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Speaker 2: Kerk Orvivec wants to end a particular line of questioning

551
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:54,760
Speaker 2: or move on to the next person, they'll just restate

552
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:58,520
Speaker 2: their own opinions as fact and then end that debate,

553
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 2: leaving the impression that they won. They can just stop

554
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 2: whenever they feel like they have made the final point

555
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 2: that gives them victory. Here's the VEC.

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Speaker 5: The number one human attribute that our legal immigration system

557
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:14,319
Speaker 5: selects for isn't who's smart. Isn't who's going to work hard,

558
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:16,480
Speaker 5: isn't who loves the country. It's are you willing to

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00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 5: lie to the US government or not? If you are,

560
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:19,080
Speaker 5: you get in.

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00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:20,680
Speaker 3: If not, you don't. That's the way it works.

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Speaker 5: Thank you so much.

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:23,919
Speaker 2: And here's another example from Kirk.

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Speaker 4: Black Americans are treated far worse than illegals in this country,

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Speaker 4: and we have, we have violated our social contract to

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Speaker 4: our own citizens. And I just want you to think

568
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:34,720
Speaker 4: about that, okay, is that if you break into America,

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Speaker 4: you get a flight to the country the city of

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Speaker 4: your choosing, You get taxpayer funded luxury hotels, you get

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Speaker 4: a taxpayer funded phone, taxpayer funded food stamps, whereas many

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00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:45,920
Speaker 4: Americans are struggling to even make ends meet.

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Speaker 3: So thank you so much for coming.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what a convenient way to say a bunch of

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Speaker 2: bullshit without having to back any of it enough. Now,

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00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:56,680
Speaker 2: of of course, welfare programs like food stamps and even

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00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:59,719
Speaker 2: assistants to get access to smartphones, since they basically are

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Speaker 2: now requirement of everyday life, those programs do exist, right,

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Speaker 2: Those are important programs. But those free flights to any city,

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00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 2: that's actually a reference to New York City's reticketing program,

581
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Speaker 2: which offers one way bus or plane tickets out of

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Speaker 2: the city. This program was actually started because the governor

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Speaker 2: of Texas sent forty thousand immigrants to New York against

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Speaker 2: their will, and those quote unquote. Luxury hotels are actually

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Speaker 2: a small part of an emergency housing program that utilizes

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Speaker 2: some converted hotels as well as airport motels and even

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00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:39,399
Speaker 2: office buildings as temporary shelter for immigrants. But I'm sure

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00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 2: Kirk would rather these people just be homeless living on

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Speaker 2: the street. I'm sure he wouldn't find ways to complain

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00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:48,360
Speaker 2: about that too. A very common Kirk tactic to avoid

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00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 2: answering a question is just to simply flip it around

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Speaker 2: and ask the students a different question that might eventually

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Speaker 2: be related to the student's original question, but not necessarily.

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Speaker 3: Let me ask you just one more question. Can men

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Speaker 3: give birth? Can men give birth? Yeah?

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Speaker 5: If they're a transgender.

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Speaker 2: Q. The audience's shocked response. These people probably don't even

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Speaker 2: know if this refers to a transgender woman or a

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Speaker 2: transgender man. Whatever. For another example, here's how Levek responded

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Speaker 2: to a question about voter fraud allegations.

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Speaker 3: Do you think dal Trump committed a coup against the

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Speaker 3: US government?

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00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 2: This was part of Kirk's response to a question about

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Speaker 2: US aid to Israel.

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Speaker 4: What is your strong opinion about the civil war happening

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00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:31,800
Speaker 4: in the Central African Republic?

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Speaker 2: For another example, a student asked Kirk what should be

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Speaker 2: done about hate crimes against Venezuelan immigrants in cities like Chicago.

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00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:39,880
Speaker 1: I think that we.

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Speaker 3: Should do about I have a question, So what part

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Speaker 3: are chicagi from?

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Speaker 2: So these are all just classic red herricks. Here's another.

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Speaker 4: You admit that the Hamas tried to commit genocide on

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Speaker 4: October seven?

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00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:54,720
Speaker 2: Also simply not what a genocide is now. Sometimes students

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00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:57,880
Speaker 2: can catch what Kirk is doing with red herrings and deflections,

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00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 2: but even when drilled down on the original line of questioning,

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00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:05,120
Speaker 2: Kirk will try hard to pivot away whenever the momentum

619
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Speaker 2: is not going in his favor.

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Speaker 4: You guys are super focused on technical things that we

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Speaker 4: could talk about forever. Let me just ask a question.

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Speaker 4: I asked you, what is Kamala Harris's greatest accomplishment? Can

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Speaker 4: you tell me what that would be?

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00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:22,960
Speaker 2: Perhaps the most common tactic Charlie Kirk employs to maintain

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00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:27,480
Speaker 2: control over the interaction is instead of just stating his opinion,

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00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:30,920
Speaker 2: Kirk will throw a question back to his opponent with

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Speaker 2: the intent of getting them to say something that's in

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00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 2: support of Kirk's own argument. Alternatively, Kirk will ask a

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Speaker 2: question that the student probably doesn't know, like some specific

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00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:47,920
Speaker 2: stat but something that Kirk already has a prepared answer for,

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00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 2: so that he can throw off his opponent, make them

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00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:55,880
Speaker 2: question their own ability to debate, and make himself seem smarter.

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Speaker 2: Here's a short compilation.

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Speaker 4: If there was a policy that made markets more free

635
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:05,279
Speaker 4: but hurt your country, would you support it? Do you

636
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 4: believe that FDR was right and partnering with Joseph Stalin

637
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:09,359
Speaker 4: to defeat Hitler?

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00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:09,759
Speaker 5: Yeah?

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00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 4: So, I guess two questions with tariffs? How do you

640
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 4: avoid a Tariff's? Ask another moral question?

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00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:13,719
Speaker 2: Then?

642
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 3: Is it ever okay to do something evil? After an art?

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00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:17,240
Speaker 3: Under abortion?

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00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:19,560
Speaker 4: Do you carve out a new morality? Is there like

645
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 4: a different kind of morality that we apply only to abortion?

646
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:23,759
Speaker 4: At what point does it get human rights?

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Speaker 3: Let me ask you just a question.

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Speaker 5: Do you know which nation is the biggest supplier of

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00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 5: the US military today?

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Speaker 3: You could probably guess it.

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00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 4: Is your phone paid for by US taxpayers. Let me

652
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:34,719
Speaker 4: ask you, did you have a vacation this summer in

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Speaker 4: a luxury hotel paid for by taxpayers? Ten people are

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Speaker 4: murdered in Chicago. Out of those ten, how many of

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Speaker 4: those cases will be solved on average. Do you think okay,

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Speaker 4: so you said he suspended wanted to suspend the constitution?

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Speaker 3: Did he do that when he was president?

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Speaker 2: His arcumentative style looks pretty goofy when it's all broken

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Speaker 2: down into its respective parts. Now to circle back to

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Speaker 2: my stance of just never engaging with these bad faith

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Speaker 2: debate spectacles, lastly, I'll show you what happens when you

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Speaker 2: quote unquote do well against someone like Charlie Kirk. I

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Speaker 2: think the only time Kirk was really thrown off was

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Speaker 2: during one of the very last matchups, with a student

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Speaker 2: asking about Kirk's support of military aid to Israel despite

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Speaker 2: his alleged anti war stance and his call for the

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Speaker 2: US to pause all foreign aid until the southern border

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Speaker 2: is secured. Like usual, Kirk first tried to deflect by

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Speaker 2: using red herrings and turn questions back on the student.

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Speaker 4: Let me ask you a first principal question. Do you

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Speaker 4: think the Jewish people have a moral right to their religions?

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Speaker 3: Do not have any?

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Speaker 2: Kirk then failed to accuse the student of anti Semitism.

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Speaker 2: Kirk then tried to trick the student into saying that

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Speaker 2: Hamas is more morally good than Israel, but the student

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Speaker 2: saw what Kirk was trying to do with his bizarre

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Speaker 2: moralistic framing.

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Speaker 4: Do you think that Israel as it's currently constituted is

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Speaker 4: morally equivalent with Hamas?

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Speaker 2: The student quite wisely did not answer Kirk's precariously worded

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Speaker 2: yes or no question, and instead reframed the question in

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Speaker 2: their own words, and only then stated their opinion that

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Speaker 2: both Hamas and the IDs actions can be constituted as evil. Still,

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Speaker 2: Kirk wouldn't relent.

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Speaker 3: So which one is better? Which one is good? Is better?

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Speaker 2: His nonsensical framing was once again rejected, But then Kirk

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Speaker 2: accused the student of being propagandized and then asked if

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Speaker 2: they had personally been to Israel to assess the situation.

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Speaker 2: And this is when everything fell apart.

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Speaker 6: Let me tell you this that you know that there's

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Speaker 6: Arab serving in the Knesset, and you know that why

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Speaker 6: your point of Jews saying I don't like Jews because Israel.

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Speaker 4: I'm just gonna I'm gonna go back to this because

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Speaker 4: I think it's so interesting though, which is that I

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Speaker 4: believe that the Jewish people do have a right there

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Speaker 4: in Cstralhia.

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Speaker 6: Well, first of all, you believe that they should be

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Speaker 6: leveling buildings because that's.

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Speaker 3: Their in central. I'm not I'm not defending every decision.

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Speaker 3: That's exactly what they're doing.

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Speaker 4: Interrupt every you're interrupting, I'm gonna have for our next

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Speaker 4: question because you're not arguings. Not much a debate because

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Speaker 4: I believe that Israel should exist in its current form,

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Speaker 4: you do not, thank you very much.

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 3: Last couple of the.

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Speaker 4: Moral confusion on the Israel topic is it's it's hard

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Speaker 4: to clear up in a veny like this.

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Speaker 2: Again, like these aren't real debates. If the conversation goes

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Speaker 2: any way other than how Kirk wants it to go,

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Speaker 2: he has complete control of the environment and can move

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Speaker 2: on to a more desirable opponent because, like, beyond convincing

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Speaker 2: any gullible people that might happen to be in the crowd,

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Speaker 2: the real reason Kirk does events like this is to

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Speaker 2: make content. It's YouTube debate. These debate videos rack of

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Speaker 2: thousands and sometimes millions of views on YouTube and TikTok,

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Speaker 2: and every single person that participates as if these are

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Speaker 2: real debates is directly helping Charlie Kirk and make money

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Speaker 2: and grow his brand. This TPUSA Brainwash Tour will continue

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Speaker 2: into November, and I'm sure Charlie Kirk will keep doing

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Speaker 2: events like this in the years to come, regardless of

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Speaker 2: who wins the election. So what's the options to counter

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Speaker 2: something like this? I'm of three minds. My default response

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Speaker 2: to stuff like this is usually just to ignore. Don't

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Speaker 2: give these attention hounds what they're looking for, don't try

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Speaker 2: to debate, don't try to own Charlie Kirk with facts

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Speaker 2: and logic. There's no real benefit from engaging with him

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Speaker 2: and his ILK on their own terms. But there will

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Speaker 2: always be at least a few college students who think

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Speaker 2: they can get one up on Charlie Kirk. So since

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Speaker 2: these events are gonna continue to happen even if my

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Speaker 2: friends and I withhold our participation, the second option is

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Speaker 2: just to simply confuse. This is what I call the

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Speaker 2: skibbity bite in strategy, one which I deployed against the

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Speaker 2: my pillow guy, Mike Lindell in front of the Israeli

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Speaker 2: Consulate as he tried to set up as much attention

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Speaker 2: as possible during the DNC them skibbity Biden, Sir, skibbity Biden.

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Speaker 5: If you buy one.

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Speaker 2: This was probably my favorite moment of the DNC. This

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Speaker 2: strategy of complete confusion doesn't just deny the subject what

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Speaker 2: they want if you're the my pillow guy attention from

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Speaker 2: reporters or, in the case of Charlie Kirk, an unfair

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Speaker 2: debate against a non media trained college freshman. But the

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Speaker 2: Skibbity Biden strategy also eats up their time, prohibiting others

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Speaker 2: from being able to engage on the terms decided upon

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Speaker 2: by turning point USA. The more time you spend spewing

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Speaker 2: your near unintelligible gibberish about how Warhammer connects to US

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Speaker 2: foreign policy or explaining your made up conspiracy theory about

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Speaker 2: how the Hawktua girl is a CIA asset. All of

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Speaker 2: that is less time for some nineteen year olds to

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Speaker 2: challenge Kirk on his abortion views, and a knowing Charlie

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Speaker 2: Kirk is just a fun bonus. Now that I think

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Speaker 2: about it, This is essentially the patent Oswalt filibuster tactic. Now,

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Speaker 2: obviously Kirk has control of the mic and probably won't

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Speaker 2: let you ramble on about gibberish for too long, so

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Speaker 2: this strategy becomes more successful if you can get a

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Speaker 2: whole team lined up in front of the microphone now. Finally,

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Speaker 2: the last option is disruption through force, preferably in a

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Speaker 2: way that limits the possibility of creating an on camera

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Speaker 2: spectacle that can be utilized by TPUSA. This has typically

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Speaker 2: not been a common tactic used to counter turning point

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Speaker 2: events on campus, but it may be time to reconsider.

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Speaker 2: Forceful disruptions were often utilized when figures like Milo Uanapolis

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Speaker 2: toured college campuses back in twenty sixteen to twenty eighteen,

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Speaker 2: and more recently against campus events featuring Daily Wire employees

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Speaker 2: like Michael Knowles and Matt Walsh. Historically, this strategy has

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Speaker 2: not been applied to Charlie Kirk, as he's been viewed

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Speaker 2: as less radical than some of these other figures. But

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Speaker 2: I just don't think that's true anymore. Kirk is spreading

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Speaker 2: and normalizing hardcore as xenophobic and nationalist rhetoric across college

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Speaker 2: campuses with little to no resistance, not to mention his

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Speaker 2: complete embrace of conspiracy theories and use of transphobia to

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Speaker 2: undermine civil rights. There's many ways to disrupt events like

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Speaker 2: this through forceful means, sound disruption, visual disruption, physical disruption,

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Speaker 2: Planning an alternate event to take place at the same

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Speaker 2: time and place big banners with Charles's tiny face carefully

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Speaker 2: placed in view of the debate cameras. Creative opportunities abound,

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Speaker 2: but it requires people to be actively monitoring when and

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Speaker 2: where these events take place and actually plan a counterdemo

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Speaker 2: ahead of time, and that just doesn't seem to be

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Speaker 2: happening at the moment. And so I thought going to

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Speaker 2: this event would help reboot my brain, cheer myself up,

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Speaker 2: and amuse me with Charlie's childish display of debate kid politics.

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Speaker 2: But it just left me more sad watching hapless kids

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Speaker 2: fall prey to Kirk's transparent scheme, just feeling like I

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Speaker 2: had no way to stop the train wreck. But it

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Speaker 2: doesn't have to be this way. With a few friends

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Speaker 2: and a little preparation, there is an alternative, and hey,

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Speaker 2: it could happen here. Well that's my recap on this

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Speaker 2: fucking Charlie Kirk rally. Oh and heads up, next week,

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Speaker 2: there's gonna be no Spooky Week episodes for the first

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Speaker 2: time in four years. Sorry, the world has just gotten

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Speaker 2: too spooky this year. Between the election and hurricanes and

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Speaker 2: the genocide and Gaza and everything else happening, the world's

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Speaker 2: just too spooky. I'm really just not feeling Halloween pilled

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Speaker 2: as I usually am. Hopefully things will get better soon.

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Speaker 2: But in lieu of Spooky Week, we actually have a

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Speaker 2: special series from James on the Darien Gap, so you

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Speaker 2: have that to look forward to next week. Goodbye everyone,

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Speaker 2: see you on the other side.

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