WEBVTT - 80: FALL IS TWIZTED with Cait Raft 0:00:00.280 --> 0:00:09.040 Welcome to Nightcall, a production of My Heart Radio. It's 0:00:09.119 --> 0:00:13.800 three oh two am in Bonnie Springs, Nevada, and you're 0:00:13.840 --> 0:00:34.159 listening tonight Call. Hello, and welcome to night Call, a 0:00:34.240 --> 0:00:37.239 podcast for your strange days and lonely nights. I'm Molly Lambert. 0:00:37.240 --> 0:00:40.360 In here with me in Los Angeles are Emily Yoshida 0:00:40.720 --> 0:00:43.680 and Tess Lynch. Hello. And we will be joined later 0:00:43.760 --> 0:00:47.360 today by our very special guest, Kate Raft of jack 0:00:47.440 --> 0:00:51.400 Am And this podcast is self Care, who will explain 0:00:51.880 --> 0:00:57.120 to us disco girls fall and what exactly happens in 0:00:57.320 --> 0:01:01.440 Bonnie Springs, Nevada that you will never be able to forget. 0:01:02.720 --> 0:01:06.560 Um stay in suspense until then. We wanted to start 0:01:06.600 --> 0:01:10.959 off with a little article from our favorite science website, 0:01:11.120 --> 0:01:14.400 Live Science. No other science website, no other science was 0:01:17.480 --> 0:01:20.480 all the all the science is true and real. So 0:01:21.440 --> 0:01:23.800 there was a story on Live Science that seemed very 0:01:23.959 --> 0:01:30.000 attuned to our interests. It was about our conspiracy beliefs 0:01:30.000 --> 0:01:33.240 on the rise. What would you guys have said if 0:01:33.280 --> 0:01:35.440 I had asked you if conspiracy beliefs around the rise? 0:01:35.480 --> 0:01:40.480 I clearly thought yes, yeah, definitely. Well, according to Live Science, 0:01:41.360 --> 0:01:43.840 conspiracy beliefs are not on the rise. They are at 0:01:43.840 --> 0:01:46.880 the same levels they have always been, which is about 0:01:47.520 --> 0:01:51.920 ten of the population believes a bunch of conspiracies to 0:01:52.000 --> 0:01:55.120 be true. Uh. While it may be true that the 0:01:55.120 --> 0:01:58.560 Internet has allowed people who believe in conspiracies to communicate more, 0:01:58.920 --> 0:02:01.360 it has not increased the number of Americans who believe 0:02:01.400 --> 0:02:05.800 in conspiracies. According to the data available. UH, they say 0:02:05.840 --> 0:02:08.160 that only nine percent of people believe in Pizza Gate 0:02:10.120 --> 0:02:12.959 of people believe there's a deep state working against amand Trump. 0:02:13.040 --> 0:02:16.520 This does not make any sense. I know, I don't, 0:02:16.560 --> 0:02:20.360 but anywhere I continue, at least fifty percent of Americans 0:02:20.400 --> 0:02:23.440 believe in one conspiracy theory, ranging from the idea that 0:02:23.480 --> 0:02:25.800 the nine eleven attacks were fake to the belief that 0:02:25.840 --> 0:02:29.240 for former President Barack Obama was not born in the US. 0:02:29.280 --> 0:02:31.720 This also did freak me out because then when it 0:02:31.800 --> 0:02:34.400 listed a bunch of conspiracies and how many people believe 0:02:34.440 --> 0:02:36.480 in them, one of them is straight up just like oh, 0:02:36.520 --> 0:02:40.480 the Jewish conspiracy and it's like fifteen to twenty percent 0:02:40.560 --> 0:02:45.800 of people. They did not include as many like progressive conspiracies. 0:02:47.040 --> 0:02:50.560 Well known progressive conspiracy right like this claims that eleven 0:02:50.560 --> 0:02:53.360 percent of people strongly agree that Barack Obama was not 0:02:53.480 --> 0:02:57.560 really born in the United States. U of people agree, 0:02:58.680 --> 0:03:03.920 of people say neither strongly disagree. Okay, that one. That 0:03:03.960 --> 0:03:06.480 one is like one that gets passed around on Facebook. 0:03:06.639 --> 0:03:10.079 It's it's insane and stupid that it's like argued at 0:03:10.080 --> 0:03:12.440 all and then thanks to our president, like that it 0:03:12.480 --> 0:03:16.519 was ever a thing. But the vapor trails, the chem 0:03:16.560 --> 0:03:20.320 trails one, there's a grand total of nine percent of 0:03:20.400 --> 0:03:22.880 people that were in the study who said that they 0:03:22.880 --> 0:03:26.359 believed in chem trails, which is like, that just strikes 0:03:26.400 --> 0:03:30.240 me as so correct. Yeah, there's got to be more 0:03:31.240 --> 0:03:35.520 feel less people. Oh, I think more people. Really, Yeah, 0:03:35.880 --> 0:03:38.520 I feel I've had so because you know, I have 0:03:38.600 --> 0:03:40.920 that thing where I like do talk to strangers way 0:03:40.960 --> 0:03:43.119 too much, and I feel like I've gotten in so 0:03:43.160 --> 0:03:46.720 many conversations about chem trails. Well, here's here's one that 0:03:46.760 --> 0:03:49.600 I was like, is this a conspiracy or is this true? 0:03:49.800 --> 0:03:52.960 Which is the current financial crisis was secretly orchestrated by 0:03:52.960 --> 0:03:55.360 a small group of the walls of Wall Street bankers 0:03:55.760 --> 0:03:58.360 to extend the power of the Federal Reserve and further 0:03:58.360 --> 0:04:01.360 their control of the world economy. Sure, I mean that 0:04:01.440 --> 0:04:04.720 sounds yet that that a conspiracy that seems like some 0:04:04.880 --> 0:04:08.880 journalism they don't want us to talk about more than that. 0:04:09.240 --> 0:04:11.960 And one that I'd never heard before. I'm excited I 0:04:11.960 --> 0:04:15.040 know which one this is. The US government is mandating 0:04:15.080 --> 0:04:18.200 the switch to compact fluorescent light bulbs because such lights 0:04:18.240 --> 0:04:22.320 make people more obedient and easier. When I when I 0:04:22.360 --> 0:04:24.920 saw that, I was like, I'm not going to say 0:04:24.960 --> 0:04:29.120 this as that sounds to me somewhat reasonably. It was 0:04:29.160 --> 0:04:33.440 really weird. The like effect of those light posts is 0:04:33.760 --> 0:04:37.200 what you notice. No, the put you like, they're unpleasant, 0:04:37.279 --> 0:04:40.400 there's something wrong with anything. They make me less compliant, 0:04:40.560 --> 0:04:43.480 they make me irritable, irritable. I remember when they changed 0:04:43.520 --> 0:04:45.719 them all over and that Gilson's like, and I came 0:04:45.760 --> 0:04:47.920 on like New Year's Day, which is a terrible idea, 0:04:47.960 --> 0:04:51.120 and it was so bright. I left. I walked. Usually 0:04:51.120 --> 0:04:55.040 they're not they're they're bright. They do the warm tinted 0:04:55.080 --> 0:05:00.640 one right doesn't mean anything like all it does like, 0:05:00.680 --> 0:05:03.640 it doesn't change the flicker of the light at all, 0:05:03.720 --> 0:05:06.360 but it's it's still annoying. A friend of ours also 0:05:06.480 --> 0:05:09.080 wanted like the brightest light available, and then he got 0:05:09.120 --> 0:05:11.680 it and was like, this was a terrible what crazy 0:05:11.720 --> 0:05:15.159 person wanted the brant gave their identity unknown until later. 0:05:15.480 --> 0:05:19.800 I only go ideally. I think the idea lotted just 0:05:19.960 --> 0:05:24.120 like forty five. I really like a dim light, the 0:05:24.320 --> 0:05:27.640 really bright lights, but especially the fluorescent ones because obviously, 0:05:27.680 --> 0:05:29.440 I mean, I use them because they don't want to 0:05:29.480 --> 0:05:32.960 be a dick, but I don't enjoy the effect. And 0:05:33.000 --> 0:05:34.720 I can feel if you have fast vision, you can 0:05:34.720 --> 0:05:37.760 see the flickering has an effect. I just don't think 0:05:37.800 --> 0:05:39.640 it makes you more compliant. I think it's that makes 0:05:39.640 --> 0:05:42.400 you more irritable. Now you're gonna have to go deep 0:05:42.400 --> 0:05:45.360 on it, because it's an interesting question. This says also 0:05:45.600 --> 0:05:48.520 that the review showed absolutely no change in the amount 0:05:48.560 --> 0:05:51.400 of conspiracy theory bleep over time. In fact, the percent 0:05:51.480 --> 0:05:53.600 of letters received this is how they were doing the 0:05:53.680 --> 0:05:58.200 judging about conspiracy theories actually declined from the late eighteen 0:05:58.240 --> 0:06:01.040 hundreds to the nineteen sixties, Right when you would think 0:06:01.040 --> 0:06:04.159 it would start to spike with jfk assassination theory, it 0:06:04.200 --> 0:06:08.160 actually went down. Letters received by the US government or 0:06:08.680 --> 0:06:12.080 who's receiving the letter letters to the editor for the 0:06:12.120 --> 0:06:15.520 New York Times in the Chicago Tribune. I don't know 0:06:15.680 --> 0:06:18.920 that it feels like a weird selection pool for this. 0:06:19.200 --> 0:06:22.760 I you would use Twitter, you'd just be like. I 0:06:22.800 --> 0:06:25.840 also feel like, if you truly believe that there's a 0:06:25.880 --> 0:06:28.280 conspiracy going on about Kim Trails, and the New York 0:06:28.360 --> 0:06:32.360 Times is definitely in on it, so why would you, well, wait, 0:06:32.400 --> 0:06:34.960 you guys don't believe in Kim trails, do you know? Okay, 0:06:35.000 --> 0:06:37.560 just checking, just checking. I don't know. For a minute, 0:06:37.560 --> 0:06:41.560 I was, I listened and was like, I was, I 0:06:41.720 --> 0:06:44.800 like that this suggests the idea that conspiracy theories are 0:06:44.920 --> 0:06:48.520 going up in popularity is itself a conspiracy theory because 0:06:48.520 --> 0:06:50.640 they just list all these times, like starting in the 0:06:50.680 --> 0:06:55.000 sixties when papers were like more conspiracies than ever before, 0:06:55.200 --> 0:06:57.960 the Golden age of conspiracy. People thought that in the 0:06:58.040 --> 0:07:00.480 nineties that was like a big, big thing, like I 0:07:00.600 --> 0:07:02.680 also thought it in the eighties and seven. But wait, 0:07:02.720 --> 0:07:05.120 but think about this. So one of the conspiracies that 0:07:05.160 --> 0:07:07.800 I think is true is that our phones are listening 0:07:07.800 --> 0:07:10.600 to us. I believe that, like, if you pulled people, 0:07:10.760 --> 0:07:14.960 probably upwards of eight percent of people would agree. But 0:07:15.040 --> 0:07:19.160 then how can they say, like, there's no common quote 0:07:19.200 --> 0:07:23.000 unquote conspiracy theories are really listed in this article? They're 0:07:23.080 --> 0:07:25.720 the more kind of like fringe things, which it would 0:07:25.760 --> 0:07:28.560 be reasonable to expect lest people would believe because they 0:07:28.560 --> 0:07:30.840 have access to more information from the Internet. But what 0:07:30.960 --> 0:07:36.040 about when the conspiracy involves the Internet and you have 0:07:36.080 --> 0:07:38.960 these companies who are like trying to dispel Well, there's 0:07:39.000 --> 0:07:42.680 two types of conspiracies. There's like conspiracies that are actually 0:07:42.720 --> 0:07:46.520 false and are just like the dissemination of misinformation, and 0:07:46.560 --> 0:07:50.280 then there are conspiracies that are just like suppressed information. 0:07:51.600 --> 0:07:58.160 What a great segue into today's topic. Oliver Stone's jfk 0:07:59.120 --> 0:08:04.600 Emily's favor stoner movie Something When I was a stoner. 0:08:04.920 --> 0:08:08.240 I love that. That's like you were like, all right, 0:08:08.400 --> 0:08:12.240 let's put on the really fluorescent lights now. But the 0:08:12.280 --> 0:08:14.760 thing is I mean because that was my my brief 0:08:14.800 --> 0:08:19.200 tenure as a stoner. Uh, which do you like, less 0:08:19.280 --> 0:08:23.480 less than a year of my life? If that, um, 0:08:23.520 --> 0:08:26.920 I don't remember it at all. It would be very 0:08:26.920 --> 0:08:30.200 difficult to remember even if you were not being a stoner. 0:08:30.800 --> 0:08:33.800 I didn't like so noisy and so much going on, 0:08:34.000 --> 0:08:36.959 Yet it really draws you in such the test and 0:08:37.040 --> 0:08:39.880 I both watched all three hours of it like in 0:08:39.960 --> 0:08:43.880 a in a one gulp because we had to keep going. Uh. 0:08:44.080 --> 0:08:45.920 Test and I have both never seen this movie before. 0:08:46.120 --> 0:08:48.880 I don't know why I haven't. It's funny because like 0:08:49.040 --> 0:08:51.640 I can because it was a college thing for me, 0:08:51.720 --> 0:08:54.800 I consider dorm room cannon, but like it is one 0:08:54.840 --> 0:08:57.880 of these dorm room can just love it. But all 0:08:57.920 --> 0:09:00.079 over Stone is like every all of our stone be 0:09:00.160 --> 0:09:04.800 as in The Natural Born Killers. That's the funniest one 0:09:04.840 --> 0:09:12.080 to be to be. But it is very psychedelic also 0:09:12.440 --> 0:09:16.160 in its weird way. Um. I definitely didn't know anything 0:09:16.200 --> 0:09:19.840 about this movie. I thought it was a biopic of JFK. 0:09:20.720 --> 0:09:23.280 I had. I had no idea what to expect, and 0:09:23.320 --> 0:09:25.920 I don't know. I thought we thought it was a 0:09:25.920 --> 0:09:28.640 biopic that like leads up to him dying because I 0:09:28.679 --> 0:09:32.240 knew about Back into the Left from The Simpsons, but 0:09:33.040 --> 0:09:35.200 I didn't know it was just about the conspiracy. I 0:09:35.200 --> 0:09:38.800 found this out from talking to my boyfriend's mom mentioned 0:09:38.800 --> 0:09:43.559 something about the New Orleans aspect of the JFK assassination conspiracy, 0:09:43.559 --> 0:09:46.120 and I was like, what New Orleans aspect? She's from 0:09:46.160 --> 0:09:51.239 New Orleans, uh, And they were like, haven't you seen JFK? Uh? 0:09:51.280 --> 0:09:53.600 And I had not? So then I did this movie 0:09:53.679 --> 0:09:57.400 is so New Orleans e. It's yes, yeah, I mean 0:09:57.480 --> 0:10:00.920 even the things that are yeah, it's a very that's 0:10:00.960 --> 0:10:04.480 the thing. The sweat is like a heat. Everything that 0:10:04.520 --> 0:10:07.640 anyone said about overacting you can just attribute to, like no, 0:10:07.760 --> 0:10:11.440 it's like a corrupt guy in Nework, like Tommy Lee Jones. 0:10:11.760 --> 0:10:15.480 It was like I couldn't hold it together with Tommy Jones. 0:10:15.559 --> 0:10:19.880 And it's hair Tommy Lee Jones, Joe pashis here and 0:10:20.400 --> 0:10:24.360 oh my god, eyebrows. It's a very funny movie, sometimes 0:10:24.440 --> 0:10:29.000 intentionally sometimes not so intentionally. I watched it this morning, 0:10:29.920 --> 0:10:32.680 which was like the strangest decision I'd ever made. I 0:10:32.760 --> 0:10:36.720 just it's kind of movie in the morning, though, because 0:10:36.760 --> 0:10:39.880 at night it's like start like at five just to 0:10:39.920 --> 0:10:42.840 get through. Yeah. I almost started it last night at 0:10:42.840 --> 0:10:44.640 ten thirty. And then I was like, but I'll just 0:10:44.760 --> 0:10:51.680 be so like by the end of it, UMU coffee, Yeah, 0:10:51.760 --> 0:10:54.840 ready to go. I sat down and I was like, 0:10:55.200 --> 0:10:58.600 let's do this. But then the weirdest thing was that 0:10:58.920 --> 0:11:00.960 in the middle of the movie movie, I got the 0:11:01.040 --> 0:11:04.480 mail and I had ordered some books, like some used books, 0:11:04.520 --> 0:11:07.200 and so there was an envelope like a plane brown 0:11:07.320 --> 0:11:10.560 envelope and on the back it said book depository, and 0:11:10.640 --> 0:11:12.840 I was like, are you kidding me? Because that's like 0:11:12.880 --> 0:11:17.720 a huge plot point. Um. So yeah, JFK brain, as 0:11:17.760 --> 0:11:21.320 we said last week, is the boomer Epstein brain. It's 0:11:21.400 --> 0:11:24.400 so dense it's hard. I I feel like I had less. 0:11:24.480 --> 0:11:26.800 As you may know if you listen to last week's 0:11:26.800 --> 0:11:30.400 episode with Chris Cantwell, Um, I didn't know anything really, 0:11:30.440 --> 0:11:33.480 Like I just knew the bare facts of the conspiracy theories, 0:11:33.520 --> 0:11:35.840 and you know, the assassination. It was something that was like, no, 0:11:35.920 --> 0:11:38.480 I didn't know anything about that conra I never went 0:11:38.520 --> 0:11:42.080 down that particular road. Yeah. So I was kind of 0:11:42.120 --> 0:11:44.760 the prime target for JFK because I just believed it all. 0:11:44.840 --> 0:11:47.360 It was like, of course, everything checks out complete by 0:11:47.400 --> 0:11:50.040 the end. It really you're like, oh, this argument is airtight, 0:11:50.080 --> 0:11:52.320 and then you look into it and it's not airtight. 0:11:52.400 --> 0:11:54.400 But the movie does a good job of convincing you 0:11:54.600 --> 0:11:58.120 the power of cinema. Yes, it's just a sick ass 0:11:58.200 --> 0:12:01.800 movie and sissy space that gets fantastic. It's a beauty. 0:12:01.840 --> 0:12:04.520 The interiors of their apartment are beautiful. It has like 0:12:04.559 --> 0:12:07.800 some good emotional HAPs but like, really it's just funny 0:12:07.840 --> 0:12:10.839 and it's Oliver's Stone, like it may be the most 0:12:11.000 --> 0:12:14.880 the caucaneous movie that he's done, which I would not 0:12:15.000 --> 0:12:18.080 have expected to say, but it's like at one point, 0:12:18.120 --> 0:12:21.760 there's also a speech in the courtroom that Jim Garrison 0:12:21.880 --> 0:12:24.920 played by Kevin Costner is giving and I swear to god, 0:12:24.960 --> 0:12:27.640 it's like a fifty minute long monologue. Well that's a 0:12:27.679 --> 0:12:31.720 courtroom scene. That's but it's so exaggerated. But that courtroom 0:12:31.800 --> 0:12:34.640 scene I do remember sometimes like what I would get 0:12:34.720 --> 0:12:36.880 to that scene and I would be like, okay, like 0:12:37.559 --> 0:12:39.000 time to get some chips. So I need to get 0:12:39.040 --> 0:12:40.880 some chips. Do I need to go to the bathroom? 0:12:41.000 --> 0:12:43.559 Like that would be like my pista. At one point, 0:12:43.720 --> 0:12:46.480 he just starts doing this thing with his hands and 0:12:46.520 --> 0:12:49.079 he's kind of just like rehashing points you already know, 0:12:49.160 --> 0:12:51.160 and he's doing this thing with his hands. My husband 0:12:51.200 --> 0:12:52.400 was like, I think he's been doing that thing with 0:12:52.440 --> 0:12:54.360 his hands for like fifteen minutes. I think he did 0:12:55.559 --> 0:12:58.640 what I read and then he started crying. At the 0:12:58.760 --> 0:13:01.400 end he does crying. That was They just were like, Okay, 0:13:01.400 --> 0:13:03.600 we gotta use this one. But he was like he 0:13:03.640 --> 0:13:08.559 had become so he had become intense from a conspiracist 0:13:08.960 --> 0:13:12.480 Kevin Costner, Yes or no? You know, I had never 0:13:12.600 --> 0:13:16.520 thought yes before in my life. Um, but he was great. 0:13:16.559 --> 0:13:18.959 And what are you asking? Yes or no? Just yes 0:13:19.080 --> 0:13:23.000 or no? Do you agree or disagree? I mean I'm 0:13:23.000 --> 0:13:24.599 trying to think what else did I see him in that? 0:13:24.720 --> 0:13:27.000 I was like, he's good in this bullder room. I 0:13:27.040 --> 0:13:30.400 guess pretty good. Um yeah, but there's always something a 0:13:30.480 --> 0:13:34.760 little bland about him to me. But he was great 0:13:34.760 --> 0:13:38.040 in this. I thought, Um, you guys like water World. 0:13:38.200 --> 0:13:41.720 He's apparently supposedly a huge stoner, which adds to the 0:13:42.640 --> 0:13:45.720 Emily watching jfk All making sense. I did not love 0:13:45.760 --> 0:13:49.400 water World? Are you are you shocked? I mean, I 0:13:49.440 --> 0:13:51.640 haven't watched that in a zillion years, but I feel 0:13:51.640 --> 0:13:53.880 like it would be a fun rewatch. Um. I did 0:13:53.880 --> 0:13:55.959 watch it like quite a bit. I feel like after 0:13:56.000 --> 0:13:57.920 it came out, I feel like everybody always had it 0:13:57.920 --> 0:14:01.319 on VHS at like Field of Dreams just did a 0:14:01.400 --> 0:14:04.679 lot of damage with my opinion of Field of Dreams. 0:14:04.880 --> 0:14:07.960 Just tell you can't tell an Iowa and you don't dream. 0:14:08.320 --> 0:14:10.839 I just hate movies about men and their father. It's 0:14:10.880 --> 0:14:14.080 always a ghost Dad in the base movie is so weird. 0:14:14.400 --> 0:14:16.280 And it's a very strange. I don't think it gets 0:14:16.360 --> 0:14:19.960 enough credit for dances with wolves. I have never seen 0:14:20.040 --> 0:14:22.840 dances with wolves. I feel like it would be interesting 0:14:22.880 --> 0:14:26.200 to watch it. I think it's interesting to watch now. Yeah, 0:14:26.240 --> 0:14:28.920 I'm sure. Sure. Well, it's like it's like the original 0:14:29.120 --> 0:14:32.280 Last Samurai, which I watched recently for the first time, 0:14:32.600 --> 0:14:36.800 which is like, uh, yeah, not that's where Tom Cruise 0:14:36.840 --> 0:14:40.360 becomes a samurai. Yeah. Yeah. The best part about j 0:14:41.200 --> 0:14:44.600 Man we should watch the post no thank You. The 0:14:44.720 --> 0:14:48.520 best part about JFK is John Candy. John Candy being 0:14:48.600 --> 0:14:51.960 like calling everyone dude and daddy, oh and eating crab 0:14:52.040 --> 0:14:54.760 halfway through Johnny and at the same time, we're like 0:14:55.080 --> 0:14:59.600 Mitch Headburg, like his cadence was so and he was 0:14:59.640 --> 0:15:01.880 so good it it playing like like a just a 0:15:01.960 --> 0:15:06.920 sleazy Southern with sunglasses. Apparently the sweat was all real 0:15:06.960 --> 0:15:08.600 because he was very nervous to do the scene, so 0:15:08.760 --> 0:15:11.520 you could tell. But also, I mean, like everyone's sweat 0:15:11.560 --> 0:15:13.280 was Yeah. I just thought it was a great New 0:15:13.360 --> 0:15:15.640 Orleans movie, which is obviously the last thing I expected 0:15:15.680 --> 0:15:18.560 JFK to be about, because they because my boyfriend's mom 0:15:18.560 --> 0:15:21.320 was like explaining the conspiracy about like, oh, like they 0:15:21.320 --> 0:15:23.360 set up this guy to make it look like this 0:15:23.920 --> 0:15:26.160 gay guy did it so that he would get killed. 0:15:26.200 --> 0:15:29.400 They made it seem like he was involved. Um, but 0:15:29.480 --> 0:15:31.680 it was just part of like a New Orleans conspiracy 0:15:31.760 --> 0:15:35.240 involving money. But then there's another there is like a 0:15:35.280 --> 0:15:37.960 New Orleans aspect that like a New Orleans mafio. So 0:15:38.080 --> 0:15:40.440 guy is supposedly one of the guys who may have 0:15:40.560 --> 0:15:44.080 ordered the hit on JFK. I mean, I think what 0:15:44.240 --> 0:15:46.680 makes it great, like Zodiac, is like you come away 0:15:46.760 --> 0:15:50.280 being like I have no idea and I'm never going 0:15:50.360 --> 0:15:52.360 to be able to stop thinking about it. Well, I 0:15:52.400 --> 0:15:54.400 think that's a nice thing about like these you know, 0:15:54.480 --> 0:15:58.120 open open case. You know, at least in the public 0:15:58.160 --> 0:16:02.240 imagination story, is that like you're not watching it to 0:16:02.280 --> 0:16:04.600 get a resolution, so you have to find something else 0:16:04.640 --> 0:16:07.400 interesting to get at. Yeah. Yeah, And it's about just 0:16:07.440 --> 0:16:12.320 like being an obsessive person we can all relate to. Um. Yeah, 0:16:12.440 --> 0:16:15.800 I I just think it's rules. It was great. It's 0:16:15.840 --> 0:16:17.880 definitely the kind of thing that I don't think I 0:16:17.920 --> 0:16:22.040 would have enjoyed prior to this time. It's very relevant 0:16:22.240 --> 0:16:23.880 to watch it in a class I might have like 0:16:23.920 --> 0:16:26.400 skipped it on by, but just watching it for fun. 0:16:26.560 --> 0:16:28.640 It was really fun. They definitely were not teaching this 0:16:28.720 --> 0:16:32.200 in any classes. Was in film school, and it does 0:16:32.320 --> 0:16:34.400 just sort of like, you know, yeah, it does make 0:16:34.440 --> 0:16:36.840 you be like, oh, yes, slank of the government have 0:16:36.920 --> 0:16:39.600 invested interest in keeping people in the dark about a 0:16:39.600 --> 0:16:45.120 lot of things, for sure. Uh yeah, I regret that 0:16:45.160 --> 0:16:47.080 I didn't watch it so I can talk about with 0:16:47.120 --> 0:16:50.920 you guys. So foggy for me, like I but I remember, really, 0:16:50.960 --> 0:16:52.880 I mean, I watched it because I liked it. It's 0:16:52.880 --> 0:16:55.720 really a weird compulsive thing. It was like I loved 0:16:55.760 --> 0:16:59.400 the feeling of watching JFK. Yeah. Well, also there are 0:16:59.400 --> 0:17:02.880 so many great scenes of people in darkened like beautiful 0:17:03.040 --> 0:17:06.440 studies with the rain pouring down and we're in the 0:17:06.520 --> 0:17:09.120 middle of a fire right now. So it was so 0:17:09.240 --> 0:17:11.720 nice like at night to be like, oh, imagine a 0:17:11.840 --> 0:17:15.840 subtropical climate. It's like a murder mystery, I think, you know. 0:17:15.880 --> 0:17:18.320 I went then I opened a million times about the 0:17:18.400 --> 0:17:20.960 JFK assassination and all the conspiracies around it. And it 0:17:21.000 --> 0:17:24.679 seems like and I learned also about May Babbage I 0:17:24.680 --> 0:17:26.560 think is her name. I should look over on it, 0:17:26.920 --> 0:17:30.120 this woman who was the had a conspiracy radio show 0:17:30.119 --> 0:17:35.320 in l A in the thirties, you uh, which I 0:17:35.320 --> 0:17:37.960 guess had a lot of Kennedy conspiracy stuff. It was 0:17:37.960 --> 0:17:39.840 one of the places where those people went to talk. 0:17:39.840 --> 0:17:41.920 And just when they show how they make the guy 0:17:42.040 --> 0:17:45.520 seem crazy, right, how, they're like, well, let him go 0:17:45.600 --> 0:17:47.639 on Carson and then we'll make him look like a 0:17:47.760 --> 0:17:51.199 nut and that's how we'll diffuse this situation. But it 0:17:51.240 --> 0:17:52.800 seems like a lot of the conspiracy had to do 0:17:52.840 --> 0:17:55.280 with the fact that the Suppruter film was so hard 0:17:55.359 --> 0:17:57.960 to see you for so long, right, And I guess 0:17:57.960 --> 0:18:00.359 like by the time it's in JFK, it was like 0:18:00.400 --> 0:18:02.639 it had just been released so that you could just 0:18:02.760 --> 0:18:04.920 view it, But it used to be like very hard 0:18:05.000 --> 0:18:07.880 to see because they didn't want people to see the president. 0:18:08.560 --> 0:18:12.119 The whole weird part of the JFK thing is just 0:18:12.200 --> 0:18:15.879 like the government's refusal to release documents and you're like, 0:18:15.960 --> 0:18:17.800 but why, And I mean, I think that's like the 0:18:17.920 --> 0:18:20.600 huge theme of the film is you know that the 0:18:20.640 --> 0:18:22.960 government treats you like a child, and that's like a 0:18:23.000 --> 0:18:26.520 really terrifying thing, and that's super and that's why I 0:18:26.560 --> 0:18:28.080 was watching and I was like, I'm glad I'm watching 0:18:28.119 --> 0:18:31.960 it now because it it is something that's on people's 0:18:32.000 --> 0:18:35.040 mind a lot of like what's the like, where is 0:18:35.119 --> 0:18:37.920 how thick is the veil between the government and the people. 0:18:38.080 --> 0:18:39.920 And we talked about this level like yeah, some things 0:18:39.920 --> 0:18:42.399 where you're like, we've all accepted that our phones listened 0:18:42.400 --> 0:18:44.720 to us for a long time. But when when we 0:18:44.720 --> 0:18:47.280 were first telling people that a lot of people were like, no, 0:18:47.440 --> 0:18:50.840 they don't. But it's also strange that that Facebook and 0:18:50.880 --> 0:18:54.000 Instagram and everybody can continue to deny this when it's 0:18:54.040 --> 0:18:57.520 something observed by literally ever because if they deny it, 0:18:57.560 --> 0:19:00.560 they don't have to take culpability. They're just like some mistake, 0:19:00.640 --> 0:19:03.399 we don't know, it's a glitch in the matrix. I 0:19:03.480 --> 0:19:05.960 just like for something like that, Like, I mean, it's 0:19:06.000 --> 0:19:09.200 kind of easy to understand in a pre Internet era 0:19:10.040 --> 0:19:13.879 um when everything in question is like a government, a 0:19:13.960 --> 0:19:17.560 government agency or whatever, so there is a protocol for 0:19:17.600 --> 0:19:20.280 classification and stuff like that, and I believe that you 0:19:20.320 --> 0:19:23.640 can hide something that big in that context. And at 0:19:23.640 --> 0:19:27.600 that time, I do think like now and like the 0:19:27.840 --> 0:19:31.280 online here, it's shocking to me that like if they 0:19:31.400 --> 0:19:34.600 like for example, if if if Instagram is listening to 0:19:35.200 --> 0:19:39.159 all of your your conversations for the sake of advertising 0:19:39.240 --> 0:19:42.560 or whatever else selling information. It's just like, how is 0:19:42.600 --> 0:19:46.240 that not out right now? That's like actually my only 0:19:46.400 --> 0:19:49.359 misgiving about believing it. It's just like it feels like 0:19:49.400 --> 0:19:52.200 it should be out there right now, like it's undeniable. 0:19:52.520 --> 0:19:55.879 People agree. Just Instagram won't admit it, right, but there 0:19:55.880 --> 0:19:58.760 should be like proof by now, or somebody would like, 0:19:59.080 --> 0:20:02.800 you know, go against in the NBA or whatever. Like 0:20:02.960 --> 0:20:05.520 people don't like so many nd as already, like in 0:20:05.560 --> 0:20:07.440 the last few years, Like it's like the hot thing 0:20:07.440 --> 0:20:09.760 to do. Why doesn't somebody somebody Instagram needs to break 0:20:09.800 --> 0:20:13.280 that India, Well, we saw what happened to the people 0:20:13.320 --> 0:20:17.199 who talked in JFK's right, That's what I'm saying. Well, 0:20:17.800 --> 0:20:23.360 speaking of twisted tails, oh god, someone broke the nightcall agreement. 0:20:24.960 --> 0:20:29.959 Emily is too twisted. I had too much of an 0:20:30.040 --> 0:20:31.959 edge lord. I want to point out also that your 0:20:32.040 --> 0:20:34.399 husband pointed out that the joker would not pay to 0:20:34.400 --> 0:20:38.040 see the joke exactly. I know. Well that's how not 0:20:38.520 --> 0:20:41.200 I'm not an edge lord. Actually I'm super normal and 0:20:41.400 --> 0:20:43.960 uh no, it's uh I want to go see joker 0:20:43.960 --> 0:20:45.879 That's why I didn't see JFK. I had to choose. 0:20:45.920 --> 0:20:49.640 I had to make a Soapy's choice of Joker or JFK. 0:20:49.880 --> 0:20:51.879 But this is great because you can tell Molly and 0:20:51.920 --> 0:20:55.760 me about it. What do you guys want to know? 0:20:55.880 --> 0:21:01.240 How was the film? Joker? Um? It is the word 0:21:01.320 --> 0:21:04.240 that I can't I'm trying to find a better word 0:21:04.280 --> 0:21:06.199 for it. But I do find I found it to 0:21:06.240 --> 0:21:10.920 be pretty benign overall. And I think it's very interesting 0:21:11.680 --> 0:21:13.600 to go and look now because I was trying and 0:21:13.600 --> 0:21:15.879 I'm not reading that many reviews. I would see people's 0:21:15.880 --> 0:21:18.560 tweets about it or whatever, from Venice or from Tiff 0:21:18.720 --> 0:21:22.320 and um, there was there was a lot of hand drenking, 0:21:22.440 --> 0:21:25.760 but it felt like it felt like handringing about hand 0:21:25.800 --> 0:21:28.639 ringing or something. It felt like very meta, But so 0:21:28.680 --> 0:21:32.080 I didn't really know what what the fuss was particularly, 0:21:32.440 --> 0:21:34.040 and it's been very interesting to go back and read 0:21:34.080 --> 0:21:36.040 and even just like going through Metacritic and like, and 0:21:36.280 --> 0:21:39.800 that's right, Metacritic, not Rotten Tomatoes. Don't look at Rotten Tomatoes. 0:21:39.840 --> 0:21:43.240 It sucks, um. But at the when you scroll down 0:21:43.280 --> 0:21:45.520 and you go to the bottom, like the lowest ratings, 0:21:45.560 --> 0:21:48.840 it's like there is. I will say, there's a generation 0:21:48.880 --> 0:21:51.919 of critic that freaked out about this movie and what 0:21:52.800 --> 0:21:56.160 like that this is dangerous, that this isn'tcendiary, that this 0:21:56.240 --> 0:21:59.760 is like going to you know, everybody's going to like 0:22:00.000 --> 0:22:01.800 it up a theater or something because of this movie. 0:22:02.000 --> 0:22:04.440 The AO Scott review is pretty much what you were saying, 0:22:04.520 --> 0:22:07.199 or he was like, I have no idea why this 0:22:07.280 --> 0:22:10.840 is being treated as it is. So there's so much 0:22:11.960 --> 0:22:15.320 there's I mean, I will just say that like a 0:22:15.440 --> 0:22:18.400