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Speaker 1: Um stay in suspense until then. We wanted to start
Speaker 1: off with a little article from our favorite science website,
Speaker 1: Live Science. No other science website, no other science was
Speaker 1: all the all the science is true and real. So
Speaker 1: there was a story on Live Science that seemed very
Speaker 1: attuned to our interests. It was about our conspiracy beliefs
Speaker 1: on the rise. What would you guys have said if
Speaker 1: I had asked you if conspiracy beliefs around the rise?
Speaker 1: I clearly thought yes, yeah, definitely. Well, according to Live Science,
Speaker 1: conspiracy beliefs are not on the rise. They are at
Speaker 1: the same levels they have always been, which is about
Speaker 1: ten of the population believes a bunch of conspiracies to
Speaker 1: be true. Uh. While it may be true that the
Speaker 1: Internet has allowed people who believe in conspiracies to communicate more,
Speaker 1: it has not increased the number of Americans who believe
Speaker 1: in conspiracies. According to the data available. UH, they say
Speaker 1: that only nine percent of people believe in Pizza Gate
Speaker 1: of people believe there's a deep state working against amand Trump.
Speaker 1: This does not make any sense. I know, I don't,
Speaker 1: but anywhere I continue, at least fifty percent of Americans
Speaker 1: believe in one conspiracy theory, ranging from the idea that
Speaker 1: the nine eleven attacks were fake to the belief that
Speaker 1: for former President Barack Obama was not born in the US.
Speaker 1: This also did freak me out because then when it
Speaker 1: listed a bunch of conspiracies and how many people believe
Speaker 1: in them, one of them is straight up just like oh,
Speaker 1: the Jewish conspiracy and it's like fifteen to twenty percent
Speaker 1: of people. They did not include as many like progressive conspiracies.
Speaker 1: Well known progressive conspiracy right like this claims that eleven
Speaker 1: percent of people strongly agree that Barack Obama was not
Speaker 1: really born in the United States. U of people agree,
Speaker 1: of people say neither strongly disagree. Okay, that one. That
Speaker 1: one is like one that gets passed around on Facebook.
Speaker 1: It's it's insane and stupid that it's like argued at
Speaker 1: all and then thanks to our president, like that it
Speaker 1: was ever a thing. But the vapor trails, the chem
Speaker 1: trails one, there's a grand total of nine percent of
Speaker 1: people that were in the study who said that they
Speaker 1: believed in chem trails, which is like, that just strikes
Speaker 1: me as so correct. Yeah, there's got to be more
Speaker 1: feel less people. Oh, I think more people. Really, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I feel I've had so because you know, I have
Speaker 1: that thing where I like do talk to strangers way
Speaker 1: too much, and I feel like I've gotten in so
Speaker 1: many conversations about chem trails. Well, here's here's one that
Speaker 1: I was like, is this a conspiracy or is this true?
Speaker 1: Which is the current financial crisis was secretly orchestrated by
Speaker 1: a small group of the walls of Wall Street bankers
Speaker 1: to extend the power of the Federal Reserve and further
Speaker 1: their control of the world economy. Sure, I mean that
Speaker 1: sounds yet that that a conspiracy that seems like some
Speaker 1: journalism they don't want us to talk about more than that.
Speaker 1: And one that I'd never heard before. I'm excited I
Speaker 1: know which one this is. The US government is mandating
Speaker 1: the switch to compact fluorescent light bulbs because such lights
Speaker 1: make people more obedient and easier. When I when I
Speaker 1: saw that, I was like, I'm not going to say
Speaker 1: this as that sounds to me somewhat reasonably. It was
Speaker 1: really weird. The like effect of those light posts is
Speaker 1: what you notice. No, the put you like, they're unpleasant,
Speaker 1: there's something wrong with anything. They make me less compliant,
Speaker 1: they make me irritable, irritable. I remember when they changed
Speaker 1: them all over and that Gilson's like, and I came
Speaker 1: on like New Year's Day, which is a terrible idea,
Speaker 1: and it was so bright. I left. I walked. Usually
Speaker 1: they're not they're they're bright. They do the warm tinted
Speaker 1: one right doesn't mean anything like all it does like,
Speaker 1: it doesn't change the flicker of the light at all,
Speaker 1: but it's it's still annoying. A friend of ours also
Speaker 1: wanted like the brightest light available, and then he got
Speaker 1: it and was like, this was a terrible what crazy
Speaker 1: person wanted the brant gave their identity unknown until later.
Speaker 1: I only go ideally. I think the idea lotted just
Speaker 1: like forty five. I really like a dim light, the
Speaker 1: really bright lights, but especially the fluorescent ones because obviously,
Speaker 1: I mean, I use them because they don't want to
Speaker 1: be a dick, but I don't enjoy the effect. And
Speaker 1: I can feel if you have fast vision, you can
Speaker 1: see the flickering has an effect. I just don't think
Speaker 1: it makes you more compliant. I think it's that makes
Speaker 1: you more irritable. Now you're gonna have to go deep
Speaker 1: on it, because it's an interesting question. This says also
Speaker 1: that the review showed absolutely no change in the amount
Speaker 1: of conspiracy theory bleep over time. In fact, the percent
Speaker 1: of letters received this is how they were doing the
Speaker 1: judging about conspiracy theories actually declined from the late eighteen
Speaker 1: hundreds to the nineteen sixties, Right when you would think
Speaker 1: it would start to spike with jfk assassination theory, it
Speaker 1: actually went down. Letters received by the US government or
Speaker 1: who's receiving the letter letters to the editor for the
Speaker 1: New York Times in the Chicago Tribune. I don't know
Speaker 1: that it feels like a weird selection pool for this.
Speaker 1: I you would use Twitter, you'd just be like. I
Speaker 1: also feel like, if you truly believe that there's a
Speaker 1: conspiracy going on about Kim Trails, and the New York
Speaker 1: Times is definitely in on it, so why would you, well, wait,
Speaker 1: you guys don't believe in Kim trails, do you know? Okay,
Speaker 1: just checking, just checking. I don't know. For a minute,
Speaker 1: I was, I listened and was like, I was, I
Speaker 1: like that this suggests the idea that conspiracy theories are
Speaker 1: going up in popularity is itself a conspiracy theory because
Speaker 1: they just list all these times, like starting in the
Speaker 1: sixties when papers were like more conspiracies than ever before,
Speaker 1: the Golden age of conspiracy. People thought that in the
Speaker 1: nineties that was like a big, big thing, like I
Speaker 1: also thought it in the eighties and seven. But wait,
Speaker 1: but think about this. So one of the conspiracies that
Speaker 1: I think is true is that our phones are listening
Speaker 1: to us. I believe that, like, if you pulled people,
Speaker 1: probably upwards of eight percent of people would agree. But
Speaker 1: then how can they say, like, there's no common quote
Speaker 1: unquote conspiracy theories are really listed in this article? They're
Speaker 1: the more kind of like fringe things, which it would
Speaker 1: be reasonable to expect lest people would believe because they
Speaker 1: have access to more information from the Internet. But what
Speaker 1: about when the conspiracy involves the Internet and you have
Speaker 1: these companies who are like trying to dispel Well, there's
Speaker 1: two types of conspiracies. There's like conspiracies that are actually
Speaker 1: false and are just like the dissemination of misinformation, and
Speaker 1: then there are conspiracies that are just like suppressed information.
Speaker 1: What a great segue into today's topic. Oliver Stone's jfk
Speaker 1: Emily's favor stoner movie Something When I was a stoner.
Speaker 1: I love that. That's like you were like, all right,
Speaker 1: let's put on the really fluorescent lights now. But the
Speaker 1: thing is I mean because that was my my brief
Speaker 1: tenure as a stoner. Uh, which do you like, less
Speaker 1: less than a year of my life? If that, um,
Speaker 1: I don't remember it at all. It would be very
Speaker 1: difficult to remember even if you were not being a stoner.
Speaker 1: I didn't like so noisy and so much going on,
Speaker 1: Yet it really draws you in such the test and
Speaker 1: I both watched all three hours of it like in
Speaker 1: a in a one gulp because we had to keep going. Uh.
Speaker 1: Test and I have both never seen this movie before.
Speaker 1: I don't know why I haven't. It's funny because like
Speaker 1: I can because it was a college thing for me,
Speaker 1: I consider dorm room cannon, but like it is one
Speaker 1: of these dorm room can just love it. But all
Speaker 1: over Stone is like every all of our stone be
Speaker 1: as in The Natural Born Killers. That's the funniest one
Speaker 1: to be to be. But it is very psychedelic also
Speaker 1: in its weird way. Um. I definitely didn't know anything
Speaker 1: about this movie. I thought it was a biopic of JFK.
Speaker 1: I had. I had no idea what to expect, and
Speaker 1: I don't know. I thought we thought it was a
Speaker 1: biopic that like leads up to him dying because I
Speaker 1: knew about Back into the Left from The Simpsons, but
Speaker 1: I didn't know it was just about the conspiracy. I
Speaker 1: found this out from talking to my boyfriend's mom mentioned
Speaker 1: something about the New Orleans aspect of the JFK assassination conspiracy,
Speaker 1: and I was like, what New Orleans aspect? She's from
Speaker 1: New Orleans, uh, And they were like, haven't you seen JFK? Uh?
Speaker 1: And I had not? So then I did this movie
Speaker 1: is so New Orleans e. It's yes, yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: even the things that are yeah, it's a very that's
Speaker 1: the thing. The sweat is like a heat. Everything that
Speaker 1: anyone said about overacting you can just attribute to, like no,
Speaker 1: it's like a corrupt guy in Nework, like Tommy Lee Jones.
Speaker 1: It was like I couldn't hold it together with Tommy Jones.
Speaker 1: And it's hair Tommy Lee Jones, Joe pashis here and
Speaker 1: oh my god, eyebrows. It's a very funny movie, sometimes
Speaker 1: intentionally sometimes not so intentionally. I watched it this morning,
Speaker 1: which was like the strangest decision I'd ever made. I
Speaker 1: just it's kind of movie in the morning, though, because
Speaker 1: at night it's like start like at five just to
Speaker 1: get through. Yeah. I almost started it last night at
Speaker 1: ten thirty. And then I was like, but I'll just
Speaker 1: be so like by the end of it, UMU coffee, Yeah,
Speaker 1: ready to go. I sat down and I was like,
Speaker 1: let's do this. But then the weirdest thing was that
Speaker 1: in the middle of the movie movie, I got the
Speaker 1: mail and I had ordered some books, like some used books,
Speaker 1: and so there was an envelope like a plane brown
Speaker 1: envelope and on the back it said book depository, and
Speaker 1: I was like, are you kidding me? Because that's like
Speaker 1: a huge plot point. Um. So yeah, JFK brain, as
Speaker 1: we said last week, is the boomer Epstein brain. It's
Speaker 1: so dense it's hard. I I feel like I had less.
Speaker 1: As you may know if you listen to last week's
Speaker 1: episode with Chris Cantwell, Um, I didn't know anything really,
Speaker 1: Like I just knew the bare facts of the conspiracy theories,
Speaker 1: and you know, the assassination. It was something that was like, no,
Speaker 1: I didn't know anything about that conra I never went
Speaker 1: down that particular road. Yeah. So I was kind of
Speaker 1: the prime target for JFK because I just believed it all.
Speaker 1: It was like, of course, everything checks out complete by
Speaker 1: the end. It really you're like, oh, this argument is airtight,
Speaker 1: and then you look into it and it's not airtight.
Speaker 1: But the movie does a good job of convincing you
Speaker 1: the power of cinema. Yes, it's just a sick ass
Speaker 1: movie and sissy space that gets fantastic. It's a beauty.
Speaker 1: The interiors of their apartment are beautiful. It has like
Speaker 1: some good emotional HAPs but like, really it's just funny
Speaker 1: and it's Oliver's Stone, like it may be the most
Speaker 1: the caucaneous movie that he's done, which I would not
Speaker 1: have expected to say, but it's like at one point,
Speaker 1: there's also a speech in the courtroom that Jim Garrison
Speaker 1: played by Kevin Costner is giving and I swear to god,
Speaker 1: it's like a fifty minute long monologue. Well that's a
Speaker 1: courtroom scene. That's but it's so exaggerated. But that courtroom
Speaker 1: scene I do remember sometimes like what I would get
Speaker 1: to that scene and I would be like, okay, like
Speaker 1: time to get some chips. So I need to get
Speaker 1: some chips. Do I need to go to the bathroom?
Speaker 1: Like that would be like my pista. At one point,
Speaker 1: he just starts doing this thing with his hands and
Speaker 1: he's kind of just like rehashing points you already know,
Speaker 1: and he's doing this thing with his hands. My husband
Speaker 1: was like, I think he's been doing that thing with
Speaker 1: his hands for like fifteen minutes. I think he did
Speaker 1: what I read and then he started crying. At the
Speaker 1: end he does crying. That was They just were like, Okay,
Speaker 1: we gotta use this one. But he was like he
Speaker 1: had become so he had become intense from a conspiracist
Speaker 1: Kevin Costner, Yes or no? You know, I had never
Speaker 1: thought yes before in my life. Um, but he was great.
Speaker 1: And what are you asking? Yes or no? Just yes
Speaker 1: or no? Do you agree or disagree? I mean I'm
Speaker 1: trying to think what else did I see him in that?
Speaker 1: I was like, he's good in this bullder room. I
Speaker 1: guess pretty good. Um yeah, but there's always something a
Speaker 1: little bland about him to me. But he was great
Speaker 1: in this. I thought, Um, you guys like water World.
Speaker 1: He's apparently supposedly a huge stoner, which adds to the
Speaker 1: Emily watching jfk All making sense. I did not love
Speaker 1: water World? Are you are you shocked? I mean, I
Speaker 1: haven't watched that in a zillion years, but I feel
Speaker 1: like it would be a fun rewatch. Um. I did
Speaker 1: watch it like quite a bit. I feel like after
Speaker 1: it came out, I feel like everybody always had it
Speaker 1: on VHS at like Field of Dreams just did a
Speaker 1: lot of damage with my opinion of Field of Dreams.
Speaker 1: Just tell you can't tell an Iowa and you don't dream.
Speaker 1: I just hate movies about men and their father. It's
Speaker 1: always a ghost Dad in the base movie is so weird.
Speaker 1: And it's a very strange. I don't think it gets
Speaker 1: enough credit for dances with wolves. I have never seen
Speaker 1: dances with wolves. I feel like it would be interesting
Speaker 1: to watch it. I think it's interesting to watch now. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm sure. Sure. Well, it's like it's like the original
Speaker 1: Last Samurai, which I watched recently for the first time,
Speaker 1: which is like, uh, yeah, not that's where Tom Cruise
Speaker 1: becomes a samurai. Yeah. Yeah. The best part about j
Speaker 1: Man we should watch the post no thank You. The
Speaker 1: best part about JFK is John Candy. John Candy being
Speaker 1: like calling everyone dude and daddy, oh and eating crab
Speaker 1: halfway through Johnny and at the same time, we're like
Speaker 1: Mitch Headburg, like his cadence was so and he was
Speaker 1: so good it it playing like like a just a
Speaker 1: sleazy Southern with sunglasses. Apparently the sweat was all real
Speaker 1: because he was very nervous to do the scene, so
Speaker 1: you could tell. But also, I mean, like everyone's sweat
Speaker 1: was Yeah. I just thought it was a great New
Speaker 1: Orleans movie, which is obviously the last thing I expected
Speaker 1: JFK to be about, because they because my boyfriend's mom
Speaker 1: was like explaining the conspiracy about like, oh, like they
Speaker 1: set up this guy to make it look like this
Speaker 1: gay guy did it so that he would get killed.
Speaker 1: They made it seem like he was involved. Um, but
Speaker 1: it was just part of like a New Orleans conspiracy
Speaker 1: involving money. But then there's another there is like a
Speaker 1: New Orleans aspect that like a New Orleans mafio. So
Speaker 1: guy is supposedly one of the guys who may have
Speaker 1: ordered the hit on JFK. I mean, I think what
Speaker 1: makes it great, like Zodiac, is like you come away
Speaker 1: being like I have no idea and I'm never going
Speaker 1: to be able to stop thinking about it. Well, I
Speaker 1: think that's a nice thing about like these you know,
Speaker 1: open open case. You know, at least in the public
Speaker 1: imagination story, is that like you're not watching it to
Speaker 1: get a resolution, so you have to find something else
Speaker 1: interesting to get at. Yeah. Yeah, And it's about just
Speaker 1: like being an obsessive person we can all relate to. Um. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I I just think it's rules. It was great. It's
Speaker 1: definitely the kind of thing that I don't think I
Speaker 1: would have enjoyed prior to this time. It's very relevant
Speaker 1: to watch it in a class I might have like
Speaker 1: skipped it on by, but just watching it for fun.
Speaker 1: It was really fun. They definitely were not teaching this
Speaker 1: in any classes. Was in film school, and it does
Speaker 1: just sort of like, you know, yeah, it does make
Speaker 1: you be like, oh, yes, slank of the government have
Speaker 1: invested interest in keeping people in the dark about a
Speaker 1: lot of things, for sure. Uh yeah, I regret that
Speaker 1: I didn't watch it so I can talk about with
Speaker 1: you guys. So foggy for me, like I but I remember, really,
Speaker 1: I mean, I watched it because I liked it. It's
Speaker 1: really a weird compulsive thing. It was like I loved
Speaker 1: the feeling of watching JFK. Yeah. Well, also there are
Speaker 1: so many great scenes of people in darkened like beautiful
Speaker 1: studies with the rain pouring down and we're in the
Speaker 1: middle of a fire right now. So it was so
Speaker 1: nice like at night to be like, oh, imagine a
Speaker 1: subtropical climate. It's like a murder mystery, I think, you know.
Speaker 1: I went then I opened a million times about the
Speaker 1: JFK assassination and all the conspiracies around it. And it
Speaker 1: seems like and I learned also about May Babbage I
Speaker 1: think is her name. I should look over on it,
Speaker 1: this woman who was the had a conspiracy radio show
Speaker 1: in l A in the thirties, you uh, which I
Speaker 1: guess had a lot of Kennedy conspiracy stuff. It was
Speaker 1: one of the places where those people went to talk.
Speaker 1: And just when they show how they make the guy
Speaker 1: seem crazy, right, how, they're like, well, let him go
Speaker 1: on Carson and then we'll make him look like a
Speaker 1: nut and that's how we'll diffuse this situation. But it
Speaker 1: seems like a lot of the conspiracy had to do
Speaker 1: with the fact that the Suppruter film was so hard
Speaker 1: to see you for so long, right, And I guess
Speaker 1: like by the time it's in JFK, it was like
Speaker 1: it had just been released so that you could just
Speaker 1: view it, But it used to be like very hard
Speaker 1: to see because they didn't want people to see the president.
Speaker 1: The whole weird part of the JFK thing is just
Speaker 1: like the government's refusal to release documents and you're like,
Speaker 1: but why, And I mean, I think that's like the
Speaker 1: huge theme of the film is you know that the
Speaker 1: government treats you like a child, and that's like a
Speaker 1: really terrifying thing, and that's super and that's why I
Speaker 1: was watching and I was like, I'm glad I'm watching
Speaker 1: it now because it it is something that's on people's
Speaker 1: mind a lot of like what's the like, where is
Speaker 1: how thick is the veil between the government and the people.
Speaker 1: And we talked about this level like yeah, some things
Speaker 1: where you're like, we've all accepted that our phones listened
Speaker 1: to us for a long time. But when when we
Speaker 1: were first telling people that a lot of people were like, no,
Speaker 1: they don't. But it's also strange that that Facebook and
Speaker 1: Instagram and everybody can continue to deny this when it's
Speaker 1: something observed by literally ever because if they deny it,
Speaker 1: they don't have to take culpability. They're just like some mistake,
Speaker 1: we don't know, it's a glitch in the matrix. I
Speaker 1: just like for something like that, Like, I mean, it's
Speaker 1: kind of easy to understand in a pre Internet era
Speaker 1: um when everything in question is like a government, a
Speaker 1: government agency or whatever, so there is a protocol for
Speaker 1: classification and stuff like that, and I believe that you
Speaker 1: can hide something that big in that context. And at
Speaker 1: that time, I do think like now and like the
Speaker 1: online here, it's shocking to me that like if they
Speaker 1: like for example, if if if Instagram is listening to
Speaker 1: all of your your conversations for the sake of advertising
Speaker 1: or whatever else selling information. It's just like, how is
Speaker 1: that not out right now? That's like actually my only
Speaker 1: misgiving about believing it. It's just like it feels like
Speaker 1: it should be out there right now, like it's undeniable.
Speaker 1: People agree. Just Instagram won't admit it, right, but there
Speaker 1: should be like proof by now, or somebody would like,
Speaker 1: you know, go against in the NBA or whatever. Like
Speaker 1: people don't like so many nd as already, like in
Speaker 1: the last few years, Like it's like the hot thing
Speaker 1: to do. Why doesn't somebody somebody Instagram needs to break
Speaker 1: that India, Well, we saw what happened to the people
Speaker 1: who talked in JFK's right, That's what I'm saying. Well,
Speaker 1: speaking of twisted tails, oh god, someone broke the nightcall agreement.
Speaker 1: Emily is too twisted. I had too much of an
Speaker 1: edge lord. I want to point out also that your
Speaker 1: husband pointed out that the joker would not pay to
Speaker 1: see the joke exactly. I know. Well that's how not
Speaker 1: I'm not an edge lord. Actually I'm super normal and
Speaker 1: uh no, it's uh I want to go see joker
Speaker 1: That's why I didn't see JFK. I had to choose.
Speaker 1: I had to make a Soapy's choice of Joker or JFK.
Speaker 1: But this is great because you can tell Molly and
Speaker 1: me about it. What do you guys want to know?
Speaker 1: How was the film? Joker? Um? It is the word
Speaker 1: that I can't I'm trying to find a better word
Speaker 1: for it. But I do find I found it to
Speaker 1: be pretty benign overall. And I think it's very interesting
Speaker 1: to go and look now because I was trying and
Speaker 1: I'm not reading that many reviews. I would see people's
Speaker 1: tweets about it or whatever, from Venice or from Tiff
Speaker 1: and um, there was there was a lot of hand drenking,
Speaker 1: but it felt like it felt like handringing about hand
Speaker 1: ringing or something. It felt like very meta, But so
Speaker 1: I didn't really know what what the fuss was particularly,
Speaker 1: and it's been very interesting to go back and read
Speaker 1: and even just like going through Metacritic and like, and
Speaker 1: that's right, Metacritic, not Rotten Tomatoes. Don't look at Rotten Tomatoes.
Speaker 1: It sucks, um. But at the when you scroll down
Speaker 1: and you go to the bottom, like the lowest ratings,
Speaker 1: it's like there is. I will say, there's a generation
Speaker 1: of critic that freaked out about this movie and what
Speaker 1: like that this is dangerous, that this isn'tcendiary, that this
Speaker 1: is like going to you know, everybody's going to like
Speaker 1: it up a theater or something because of this movie.
Speaker 1: The AO Scott review is pretty much what you were saying,
Speaker 1: or he was like, I have no idea why this
Speaker 1: is being treated as it is. So there's so much
Speaker 1: there's I mean, I will just say that like a
Speaker 1: more dangerous movie for me, if you even just want
Speaker 1: to talk about like contemporary comic book bro canon is
Speaker 1: the Dark Knight. Like The Dark Knight is more I
Speaker 1: hated those movies because they were like libertarian fantasy, right well,
Speaker 1: but even if you're just looking at the Joker in
Speaker 1: that movie, if you're looking at the Joker is like
Speaker 1: an idol for a certain kind of like edge Lord
Speaker 1: Boy online, he's so much more dangerous as like a
Speaker 1: romantic figure, which is also kind of why I like that,
Speaker 1: like The Dark Knight. I'm sorry, not because I think like,
Speaker 1: uh and to state surveillance and stuff like that, but
Speaker 1: he hates Batman. I hate Batman right right, And there's
Speaker 1: something like, and he's truly nihilistic in that movie, Like,
Speaker 1: and that's actually the scariest actually, Tim Burton Joker rules.
Speaker 1: Also the Jack Nicholson Joker. I've never seen that one before,
Speaker 1: like not until not that long ago. Yeah. I totally
Speaker 1: was like, oh, this is great, it's great. That movie's great.
Speaker 1: He's like a like an artist, like he's an art collector.
Speaker 1: It's it's feels well, he's like a gangster. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: um yeah, and and that I don't know, I mean,
Speaker 1: that was just kind of like silly and fun, I guess.
Speaker 1: I mean the thing about this Joker movie. Okay, first
Speaker 1: of all, jakuin Phoenix is like very good in it.
Speaker 1: I really like his performance in it. Um. Does this
Speaker 1: feed into Durga Chibo's theory that every Joakin Phoenix performance
Speaker 1: is method for the next Joaquin Phoenix performance? Well? Oh,
Speaker 1: I was forgetting. But I remembered while I was watching
Speaker 1: it that because I was like, what was his last movie?
Speaker 1: It wasn't. It wasn't the Lynn Nancy movie, was it? Um?
Speaker 1: But no, he wasn't. Did I talk about this on
Speaker 1: the podcast. He was in this barely released movie about
Speaker 1: Mary Magdalene in with Rooney Mara, which is I wrote
Speaker 1: about it with Rachel Handle. That's where they met. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think so, which is like it's like Jesus to Joka.
Speaker 1: But it's like it's, oh, it's so rude to think
Speaker 1: about that performance in cont because that actually weirdly feels
Speaker 1: it felt like preparation for this one. Well, he's one
Speaker 1: of those actors too. It feels like who likes to
Speaker 1: put himself on the cross over and over again, make
Speaker 1: his body all fucked up stuff. I mean his body
Speaker 1: is he has a very like j horror body in
Speaker 1: this um because he's he just lost he lost a
Speaker 1: ton of weight, and there's something weird with his shoulder blades,
Speaker 1: like I don't like being out. Yeah. So what I've
Speaker 1: heard is this movie has like really incoherent politics. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it doesn't have any This is the reason I say
Speaker 1: it's nine. It's like it's like I remember watching like
Speaker 1: shortly after the election, like Rogue one came out the
Speaker 1: Star Wars movie UM, which is like full of all
Speaker 1: this language about like resistine and stuff like that, and
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, man, like the Star Wars fans
Speaker 1: who are like uh fascist or whatever going to like
Speaker 1: hate this movie, like good and then then they all
Speaker 1: loved it, and I was like, oh, this is like
Speaker 1: my first lesson, Like if you make a movie vague enough,
Speaker 1: which all big tent poles are, anybody will see their
Speaker 1: politics in it. And so I think the thing that
Speaker 1: was like actually kind of annoying to me about this movie,
Speaker 1: which is not a very good movie, Like it's not
Speaker 1: it's like very superficial and kind of um empty but um.
Speaker 1: But like I don't understand why people on the left
Speaker 1: particularly are like rolling over and letting the right have it,
Speaker 1: or like letting letting are you trying to get the
Speaker 1: leftist joker right, because it's like it's about it's about
Speaker 1: like he gets the social services cut off and then
Speaker 1: like basically there's like an Antifa protest for like like
Speaker 1: Bruce Wayne's dad is basically Donald Trump in the movie.
Speaker 1: I mean it's like I've heard that also, I've heard
Speaker 1: the movie is actually more about like funk up the
Speaker 1: rich people. That rich is the rally. But I think
Speaker 1: the it was that Todd Phillips went on that, but
Speaker 1: I think it was like those goddamn leftists so well,
Speaker 1: it was it was like laying out a buffet of
Speaker 1: things that you were, that you knew about the movie
Speaker 1: before seeing a movie of the Todd Phillips connection, I
Speaker 1: think the things that offend me about it, or like
Speaker 1: Todd Phillips making a prestige movie in any way and
Speaker 1: thinking that that winning Venice, like as I keep pointing out,
Speaker 1: the last movie also won Venice, the DNA toopper movie
Speaker 1: that ruined his career, because it's really unwatchable. So I
Speaker 1: think it's like they did it for publicity, probably also
Speaker 1: to be like and also European people love stupid American bullshit.
Speaker 1: Well look at a remove you might be able to
Speaker 1: kind of not enjoy the aspects that Americans, some Americans
Speaker 1: found threatening, but at a remove it might seem more
Speaker 1: insightful than it does. I think it's also like the
Speaker 1: Scorsese versus Marvel discourse is so inane because it's like
Speaker 1: there are things besides both of those things. But he
Speaker 1: exactly produced this, right, Like I just like he was
Speaker 1: a DC fan. That's what's so funny that was. But
Speaker 1: I think some Marvel, like DC, some reviews positive that
Speaker 1: he exactly produced it just to avoid a lawsuit for plagiarism,
Speaker 1: for sure. I think it's also that's the really offensive
Speaker 1: thing to me. It's like just it's just like a
Speaker 1: whitewashed version of taxi driver, right until like gesture at
Speaker 1: like those Paul Strader movies. And I will say, also
Speaker 1: taxi drivers politics are also sort of incoherent and druggy,
Speaker 1: you know, but at least they are aware of being incoherent,
Speaker 1: and like somebody else's reviews was like, at least also
Speaker 1: a taxi driver like like acknowledge that this guy was
Speaker 1: a fucking racist too, right, but which they would never
Speaker 1: acknowledge in this this version of the movie. Wasn't there though,
Speaker 1: Like I know, it's like it's like not. It's like
Speaker 1: so like there is a racial thing going on in
Speaker 1: the movie, but it's totally incoherent seven like seventies or eighties,
Speaker 1: and I heard it's like it's one of these movies
Speaker 1: that's like we're post racial. There's but it's like makes
Speaker 1: no sense it is to be post racial, because that's
Speaker 1: not a thing, and also not in this made up
Speaker 1: time period in a made up city that is clearly
Speaker 1: just New York, right, Like there's like references apparently to
Speaker 1: like the Central Park five and stuff, which I think
Speaker 1: I miss because I I came into the movie like right,
Speaker 1: and also just you probably spend as much time as
Speaker 1: Todd Phillips knows about the Central Park five right to
Speaker 1: gesture to those things without having any actual like analysis
Speaker 1: or point is so fucking stupid. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: It was. The thing is I think the thing that
Speaker 1: annoys me most of all is just like like the
Speaker 1: more the publicity around it. I think I was really
Speaker 1: convinced by the end of this movie that like it
Speaker 1: only existed in the kind of I don't know, like
Speaker 1: hyperventilating context that it created for the media echo chamber. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it didn't go chamber because it's like the dome. Um. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like it was like, oh, I think that most of
Speaker 1: what people are fighting about, and this is why I
Speaker 1: wanted to see the movie, Like you can fight about
Speaker 1: what it is in quotes without seeing it forever and
Speaker 1: like never actually get it what what actually goes on
Speaker 1: in that movie? And I think that's also interesting, But
Speaker 1: that's not like watching a movie. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I wanted to see it for free. That's my problem.
Speaker 1: You want to know how much I've paid to see
Speaker 1: this movie because I had to see it at a
Speaker 1: certain time, so I had to see it on thirty five,
Speaker 1: which of course they're showing it. That is twisted that
Speaker 1: you had to see Joker ontime to punish you for
Speaker 1: liking thirty five millimeter it actually, I mean it's smoke
Speaker 1: them all. Yeah. Uh it costs nine that's at eleven
Speaker 1: in the morning. Is truly twisted. It's very twisted. Anyway,
Speaker 1: what was the best part, Um, The best part is
Speaker 1: the like the talk show thing at the end, like
Speaker 1: so like, um, it's just King of Comedy. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: just King of Comedy. But yeah, night call no no,
Speaker 1: I want to know you're right. And what was the best?
Speaker 1: So was his performance on like the Joaquin Phoenix Global.
Speaker 1: And also there's like there's a I mean it's sort
Speaker 1: of dumb. There's like a kind of very fight call light,
Speaker 1: a fight club like don't give it, don't tell everybody
Speaker 1: what we do after the pH God No, there's like
Speaker 1: a fight club light sort of subplot that runs through
Speaker 1: involving zay Zy beats his character that like when it
Speaker 1: was revealed, because I was like really upset with what
Speaker 1: was going on with her character. And then when whatever
Speaker 1: all spoilers movie, you don't give a ship spoiler spoiler alert,
Speaker 1: Like it's it's that he has a crush on his
Speaker 1: neighbor played by zay Z Beats, and then um, like
Speaker 1: they strike up a relationship and it's like insane because
Speaker 1: he's so weird and all, and it's like what is
Speaker 1: she thinking? And like the the exchanges are like non existent.
Speaker 1: I was like, this is the worst movie girlfriend I've
Speaker 1: ever seen in my entire life. And then it's revealed
Speaker 1: that she was an entirely imagined relationship and she wasn't there. God,
Speaker 1: but I will say when that was revealed, I was like, oh, Okay,
Speaker 1: that I kind of appreciate because you couldn't have reconciled
Speaker 1: it really happened. But I appreciate it because I think
Speaker 1: that all, like it was interesting to then think of
Speaker 1: all like superhero movie girlfriends being imaginary all movie girlfriends
Speaker 1: might fear. But it was just like because they do
Speaker 1: the cutback where they're like all these scenes she was
Speaker 1: there and she's not there, And I was like, what
Speaker 1: if that was like every single fat man wasn't there.
Speaker 1: I don't know, well, she wasn't there after that other movie.
Speaker 1: Wasn't she Katie Holmes or it was Katie Holmes. She
Speaker 1: was That was such a weird that was like, hey,
Speaker 1: women are literally replacing justly. You don't look exactly alike. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you won't notice the difference in acting abilities between these
Speaker 1: two people. Um, I'm glad I could see that for
Speaker 1: you guys, So they don't have to thank you so
Speaker 1: much for reporting Jokers are not j Jokers are boring.
Speaker 1: That's what I've heard. They're fine. Now that we've cleansed
Speaker 1: ourselves with that, we can get into Fall. Now. Um,
Speaker 1: we're going to have a very special guest today to
Speaker 1: join us to talk about Fall. It's fall. It's fall.
Speaker 1: That's a quotation from our special guests. And so after
Speaker 1: the break, we'll be back with our guest, Kate Raft,
Speaker 1: the author of its Fall, a scene about Fall. Welcome
Speaker 1: back tonight, Call. We are here today with our very
Speaker 1: special guest, Kate Raft. Kate is on my favorite podcast,
Speaker 1: Jack Am and my other favorite podcast, this podcast is
Speaker 1: Self Care with Drew Spears. Welcome tonight, call, Kate. Wow,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for having me. Wow, this is
Speaker 1: this is like, this is a big deal for me.
Speaker 1: I'm a big fan. I wish that this was a
Speaker 1: livestream or any kind on any kind of video, because
Speaker 1: Kate looks incredible. Yes, today, I just want to like
Speaker 1: maybe describe it like kind of like descriptive visual services. Um.
Speaker 1: She's got a yellow like Dick Tracy hat, a yellow
Speaker 1: Dick Tracy like blazer, a yellow canteen, yellow manicure, the
Speaker 1: yellow manicure. I didn't even notice the man holy shit. Um,
Speaker 1: and then offsetting it with a good little yellow and
Speaker 1: green tied eye shirt and like flawless red lipstick. It
Speaker 1: looks amazing, Like the colors are just like when you're
Speaker 1: not backt. Kate invented the color yellow. It's one of
Speaker 1: her claims. I did invent yellow. I love yellow, Thank
Speaker 1: you very. I were a yellow you were a wedding
Speaker 1: yellow wedding. I know it's that that's so radical now,
Speaker 1: I was because I love yellow. Yellow is a great color.
Speaker 1: It is. You've also pioneered the idea that wearing a
Speaker 1: color can be a whole personality. Absolutely, and it's something
Speaker 1: that I didn't invent that concept, but you know, and
Speaker 1: sometimes you have a partner Joan Haley Ford, who we
Speaker 1: also love, who goes as red. Yeah, she she wears.
Speaker 1: We have a sketch duo called Red and Yellow, and
Speaker 1: we both just wear red and yellow and to us,
Speaker 1: that's funny, that's comedy, a catchup and mustard. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a strong, powerful energy. It is. Um. We wanted
Speaker 1: to talk a little bit about your commitment to the season.
Speaker 1: That it is right now it's now October. That means
Speaker 1: it's officially inarguably fall. It's so fall right now, it's fall.
Speaker 1: Does it feel like fall? Everybody? What fall activities? Is
Speaker 1: everybody doing? Moisturizing? Moisturizing? I bought some little pumpkins. I
Speaker 1: was inspired by Kate's Fall Hall target. Um. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: thought a couple of fall halls. I did a Trader
Speaker 1: Joe's Fall Hall too, and it's been great. The Trader
Speaker 1: Joe's goes really hard on fall. It goes so hard
Speaker 1: and and it works on me. It works on me
Speaker 1: every time. Hey and I I've come to this realization,
Speaker 1: which is a lot of the people I know who
Speaker 1: are really into Fault, including me and Kate and also
Speaker 1: Miles Gray. Uh from the DAILIESI guys, Uh, we're all
Speaker 1: from California and we have no experience in fallow is
Speaker 1: that it? Yes? Because I like, so every year this
Speaker 1: I followed these instagrammers every year that are the fall instagrammers,
Speaker 1: and they start in like July. They start in summer
Speaker 1: being like I hate summer, I can't wait for fall.
Speaker 1: You know who's ready for fall and hate summer and
Speaker 1: that's me? And then it like amps up and gets
Speaker 1: more and more crazy leading up until October, when it's
Speaker 1: like at its height. I wouldeel like September might be
Speaker 1: the height because people are the most like pre excited
Speaker 1: for so much fall, like ahead of you and see
Speaker 1: and then right on Halloween like they go to Christmas
Speaker 1: and then I always follow them. But yeah, so these
Speaker 1: are not These are just kind of blanket holiday instagrams.
Speaker 1: They're not just dedicated to fall or did the fall
Speaker 1: instagrams have no choice? Instagrams tend to go to winter.
Speaker 1: There's very few people that are die hard like it's
Speaker 1: still fall even after Halloween. People A lot of them
Speaker 1: are just like, Okay, now it's Christmas and last year
Speaker 1: I was so depressed. What about November? Thanksgiving sucks? Last year?
Speaker 1: I so very fair weather fan of fall. You can't
Speaker 1: say Thanksgiving if you like fall. I don't think I
Speaker 1: don't disagree. I agree. I support Molly and hating Thanksgiving, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I hate Thanksgiving, don't get me wrong. I
Speaker 1: mean you can like Thanksgiving aesthetic without liking Thanksgiving the
Speaker 1: holiday as it's Thanksgivings a very strange holiday. And I
Speaker 1: don't know if I actually I feel like I have
Speaker 1: said this on the podcast before, but this is the
Speaker 1: first year I'm not making a turkey. Almost fifteen years,
Speaker 1: every year I make a turkey. Every year, I'm like,
Speaker 1: I hate turkey. I hate making the turkey, I hate
Speaker 1: buying the turkey. This year, I'm freeing myself and I'm
Speaker 1: going to see if it makes me like Thanksgiving. Are
Speaker 1: you doing something alternative? Hell, yes, I'm doing cornish game hence,
Speaker 1: which are if you think about it, the opposite of
Speaker 1: a turkey. The turkey is like this huge bird and
Speaker 1: you're like, I'm gonna flip this around and have a
Speaker 1: tiny food. Did love Thanksgiving growing up because we did
Speaker 1: like a West Coast Thanksgiving, the coast Thanksgiving with like
Speaker 1: family friends you know who like showed us horror movies
Speaker 1: and show us for the first time. It was like
Speaker 1: we didn't have to like travel and go see all
Speaker 1: your family or never traveling. Do you travel now for thanksgetting? No,
Speaker 1: I don't, but I don't really do anything now. I'm
Speaker 1: just like, I'm not I'm not as into it. I
Speaker 1: don't like the pressure to have a turkey and all.
Speaker 1: Can you guys convince me to like fall because I
Speaker 1: have current? Okay, so it's so important. So we've never
Speaker 1: needed fall more than we need to. Having realized that
Speaker 1: all the people that are really into fall our California
Speaker 1: and like Texas people, because a lot of the Memurs
Speaker 1: would reveal themselves at some point and be like here
Speaker 1: I am in Arizona where I live, and I was like,
Speaker 1: of course, none of us live in places that have fall.
Speaker 1: We're all just like nostalgic for a thing we feel
Speaker 1: like we should have participate. Oh shit, the Midwest in
Speaker 1: New England are here to fight us, because I do
Speaker 1: think that's part of it too. I think to be
Speaker 1: really into fault, you have to have limited knowledge of winter,
Speaker 1: like real, real winter. Because when I did live in
Speaker 1: New England when I was in college, I was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: fall is as amazing as I thought it was going
Speaker 1: to be, Like real fall is fucking incredible. Um. But
Speaker 1: the reason it's incredible. Also, is that sort of like
Speaker 1: undertow of dread of like soon it will be too
Speaker 1: cold to leave my house, which doesn't happen here. What
Speaker 1: we're talking about that we think of as fall as
Speaker 1: really like the season of winter. Here, during the season
Speaker 1: of fall, it is really fire season, and there's a
Speaker 1: huge This is why I hate fall. Yeah, there's a
Speaker 1: hole where you can smell it in the air. But
Speaker 1: also I tend to think of like seasons as days
Speaker 1: of the week, but there are also many days of
Speaker 1: the week missing from seasons. Obviously it's because of math.
Speaker 1: But fall is Sunday. Fall is like a Sunday afternoon
Speaker 1: when you're like, shit, it's going to happen again, but
Speaker 1: shouldn't be short. And then winter or is Monday obviously
Speaker 1: through Wednesday. I would say Wednesday is spring. Wednesday's spring
Speaker 1: because you're like almost there. And then obviously Friday Saturday
Speaker 1: is summer. That is only if you like summer, which
Speaker 1: I do, which best because it's the best because it's
Speaker 1: the only time, most fun season. It's the most fun
Speaker 1: season on the East coast. In the Midwest, totally different.
Speaker 1: I think the summer is canceled summer because we have
Speaker 1: global warming. Okay, summer is canceled. Summer is going to
Speaker 1: be hotter and hotter and hotter when it's fun to
Speaker 1: be that hot. Like, I do also think because I
Speaker 1: want to say like, I also do not buy into
Speaker 1: the like the only real weather is snow. You know,
Speaker 1: l A doesn't have real weather. We just have a
Speaker 1: different it's different weather, which here is rainy, which I
Speaker 1: love me. It's like the best day is when it's
Speaker 1: like not a hundred and ten degrees anymore, that to me.
Speaker 1: But it's dark early. I love that. I hate it.
Speaker 1: I'm dreading just that now I'm only part of winter
Speaker 1: that I'm dreading now now that I'm back in California
Speaker 1: is like just the early daytime. You were just talking
Speaker 1: about how much you love Vampire Backs. I love Vampire
Speaker 1: Backs and I love and I dressed God today, Like,
Speaker 1: but I really I think of fall as like the
Speaker 1: dread part of it isn't a fun dread. But that's
Speaker 1: also because you know, back East, it's like it's beautiful,
Speaker 1: but it's really brief, right, But that's what makes it
Speaker 1: also really amazing. Yeah, it's amazing. I think that we
Speaker 1: need to spiritually extend fall, like it needs to start
Speaker 1: in our minds and end later. Like I think fall
Speaker 1: should be maybe mid to early August all the way
Speaker 1: through Christmas Eve, totally Christmas Eve. I think, like let's
Speaker 1: drag it as far down as we care with her,
Speaker 1: because also spring supposedly starts way too early, and it's
Speaker 1: generally like still winter for so much longer. This year
Speaker 1: in l A. It was like freezing cold until July.
Speaker 1: It was, but it was chili. Yeah, it was chili.
Speaker 1: Well it was still it's still technically fault until December one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's true. So that's basically Christmas Eve. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: you think you get I'd like to shorten the Christmas
Speaker 1: season to like two days. I think it should be
Speaker 1: Christmas even Christmas. I agree. I'm fine with that. I
Speaker 1: can go back to fall even on the that's fine.
Speaker 1: So it's the fall of the domain. Because I was
Speaker 1: thinking about, I know you've been following these these fault
Speaker 1: accounts for a while, Molly, is that the domain of
Speaker 1: what we would refer to as a Visco girl. I
Speaker 1: think it's going to be the one who will know.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm totally unclear. I mean, in general, like
Speaker 1: Visco girls do love fall. I think they love fall.
Speaker 1: The only problem is the classic Visco girl ensemble is
Speaker 1: like a big shirt with tiny and like shorts that
Speaker 1: you you're not meant to see. I think the kids
Speaker 1: call that is it called lamp shady? Yeah? I think
Speaker 1: that is. Can you explain just because I only found
Speaker 1: out what these different types of girls were yesterday, now
Speaker 1: that we know what lamb shading is. I heard about
Speaker 1: that first because of Ariana Grande, because she's a lamb
Speaker 1: shader sore. Who are all the girl's? Only three kinds
Speaker 1: of girls? According to a BuzzFeed quiz that some of
Speaker 1: us took. We don't have to take the quiz or
Speaker 1: I'm the fourth type, which is which is a normal
Speaker 1: girl very offended to be. But the other three types
Speaker 1: the Visco girl, E girl, and batty or batty Instagram batty.
Speaker 1: I'm assuming it's like a Kylie. Yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 1: Can you describe more what that would be? Well, it's
Speaker 1: like contour makeup, like highlighting, like a makeup tutorial, like
Speaker 1: Visco girl is like no makeup makeup, and like Instagram
Speaker 1: Batty would be like full full beat. And this is
Speaker 1: all kind of in the realm. Of Instagram or it
Speaker 1: doesn't like I think the other I think is it
Speaker 1: a TikTok thing? Yeah, I think it's an Instagram and
Speaker 1: TikTok thing. Okay, I don't know. I think Instagram is
Speaker 1: like real life and like TikTok is like your performative life.
Speaker 1: Actually they're both. I don't know. The Internet is everything. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: there's no there's no cultures without that. Don't start on
Speaker 1: the internet. Now. Wait, so then what's an So if
Speaker 1: a Visco girl is kind of like a Caroline Callaway,
Speaker 1: is that the esthetic? Is it a little base? I
Speaker 1: would say it's like more Emma Chamberlain. Okay, Okay, I
Speaker 1: just learned who that is from Caroline. I went on
Speaker 1: that journey too. Yeah, she an influencer. She's like a
Speaker 1: she's kind of the I think she's the classic Visco influencer. Really,
Speaker 1: she's very like unusual looking. I could be wrong about this.
Speaker 1: She kind of looks like insect e, like she's kind
Speaker 1: of alien it that's what. Yeah, that's what a Visco
Speaker 1: girl looks like. I think Caroline Callaway is actually too
Speaker 1: old to be an to be a Visco girl, specifically
Speaker 1: because judging anyone for what age they might think they're
Speaker 1: a Visco girl at here, and I call, I guess
Speaker 1: that's true. I guess that's true. I guess I guess
Speaker 1: she's there a Visco woman. I consider myself a Visco woman.
Speaker 1: I'm a Visco adult. Wait, so I'm looking at Emma
Speaker 1: Chamberlain's Instagram right now, but like this look is what
Speaker 1: I would consider like ant batty. Maybe I'm wrong on this.
Speaker 1: I would consider an E girl actually because she's dressing like,
Speaker 1: say what the girl is? Okay, the girl is like, um,
Speaker 1: it feels to me it's like the cosplay of the nineties,
Speaker 1: sort of like Haley Baldwin. Yeah. The one thing that
Speaker 1: I feel like, it's very like Asian beauty tutorial esthetic,
Speaker 1: like a lot of like the pink blush that was
Speaker 1: at the end, like and like different colored hair and
Speaker 1: stuff like that, like Billie Eilish hair. Yeah, like Eyelish
Speaker 1: is an EA girl. Yeah, so that's the one that
Speaker 1: I got. Obviously, I'm such an E girl. And I
Speaker 1: was saying that I claimed Visco girls because I was like,
Speaker 1: that's how I've been dressing my whole life. I can't
Speaker 1: believe that is cool now is to wear You've always
Speaker 1: been ahead of the curve, but IM into everyone wearing
Speaker 1: a big time I T shirt and that's fashion now.
Speaker 1: I'm fashionable now. I think that Visco girls are like
Speaker 1: probably like the gen Z people that like millennials the most,
Speaker 1: or like they're like closest to millennials. To me, it
Speaker 1: just feels like the Instagram batty bubble bursting because it's
Speaker 1: like all of a sudden, girls are like no makeup, makeup,
Speaker 1: like lip gloss, and like your asual, like the way
Speaker 1: that we all did kind of dress in the nineties
Speaker 1: where it wasn't like styled for Instagram, you know, it's
Speaker 1: like more about comfort and like kind of like skater
Speaker 1: girl e. It's very California. El Well, then I need
Speaker 1: like a better example of what this is because I
Speaker 1: don't think it's m A Chamberlain because she's like very
Speaker 1: made up and like wearing like looks. All three types
Speaker 1: of girls were on full display last night at the
Speaker 1: Law until Ragos, then Emili and I both went to
Speaker 1: my favorite look. There was like three girls who were
Speaker 1: all wearing like the same fresh from Zara, like fake
Speaker 1: leather jackets and we're all like dressed in black. It
Speaker 1: was just like the mall goth look basically there are
Speaker 1: a lot of posses and also they're very wisely selling
Speaker 1: a lady flower crowns which people were wearing. Good look.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I was like, oh yeah, those are the
Speaker 1: only types of girls now. And then I was trying
Speaker 1: to think cause I was like, where does goth fall?
Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, there's a goth version of
Speaker 1: each of these things. I think you're right. Yeah, there's
Speaker 1: like gothy girls, goth insto baddies, and could there be Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think you might be it right now. Gothisco is real.
Speaker 1: It's real. I'm confused as to how Viscope is a
Speaker 1: part of the Visco Girl because I use Visco a
Speaker 1: lot for my photos, um, and I didn't realize that
Speaker 1: there was like an esthetic and like a girl side
Speaker 1: to I mean, yeah there is. I don't know. I
Speaker 1: think it's like because I don't know, I think it
Speaker 1: isn't the best filters this thing? Does that make me
Speaker 1: a Visco Girl because I think they have the best filter.
Speaker 1: I think it makes you like, it makes you just
Speaker 1: like a wise human because they do have the best
Speaker 1: I paid the money for the app. I was like
Speaker 1: shocked that it was like thirty dollars still one, but
Speaker 1: I still like the free thing. I get like scammed
Speaker 1: into pay for a premium. I have the free one.
Speaker 1: Have Risco. I don't have Fisco I use it made
Speaker 1: me feel intimidate, the least Fisco girl of all, and
Speaker 1: even have Visco. I love Fisco because you can add
Speaker 1: film graining. Oh my god, you're such a dark sometimes
Speaker 1: it just makes it's like nice stuff and textures. I
Speaker 1: want to shoot my Instagram photos on thirty five and tour.
Speaker 1: You guys know. I want to go back to like
Speaker 1: shooting it on a flip phone where it's all pixelated
Speaker 1: and grainy making That would be great. Kate, what are
Speaker 1: your favorite fall activities? Um? I love watching horror movies.
Speaker 1: I love drinking like a pumpkin beer. I love carving
Speaker 1: a pumpkin. I just made a pumpkin pie. Well I didn't.
Speaker 1: I watched my husband. Watched your husband make a pumpkin pie.
Speaker 1: A lot of people watched. Um. Yeah. One of my
Speaker 1: favorite things you guys do is that, in addition to
Speaker 1: doing a daily morning show on Twitch, you also have
Speaker 1: like live streams of activities, and one of them is cooking.
Speaker 1: I love that. Yeah, we do a very cleverly named
Speaker 1: show called Jack's Cooking Kitchen where my husband Jack just
Speaker 1: like learns to cook something. And my friend Lindsay Miller,
Speaker 1: who's like a professional pastry show. She does like apocalypse
Speaker 1: themed baked goods called all Gonna Pie, and she like
Speaker 1: has a whole less recipe blog. Did you guys make
Speaker 1: any chancy? This may be old, but I just saw
Speaker 1: it the other day, the pot pies with the human faces.
Speaker 1: Oh no, but that sounds you're saying to me because
Speaker 1: I was cheated about how I made a pie that
Speaker 1: kind of had a human face. It's really intense. I
Speaker 1: guess that they originally did them with latex masks and
Speaker 1: then they made them edible and they did edible hair.
Speaker 1: But I have a friend who does. She made some
Speaker 1: like horror pastries for parties that I couldn't eat because
Speaker 1: they were too just love that. She made like a
Speaker 1: face pie where I was like, no, I don't want
Speaker 1: to touch it. But I did make a pie that
Speaker 1: had like a slipknot mask crust. Did you eat it yet?
Speaker 1: Nobody turned out? Great? Wait, Molly, you made this pie
Speaker 1: like days ago. You want to eat in your pie
Speaker 1: two days ago, gonna eat it today? Okay, why haven't
Speaker 1: you eaten it yet? Why did you make it? Stressed out?
Speaker 1: But then I feel like eating the pie would be
Speaker 1: like the best part of like the stress really fast.
Speaker 1: Do you ever just do something and then by the
Speaker 1: time you're finished, you're like, I don't know, now it's done. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I do, but not with food. I will say, yesterday
Speaker 1: we were going to the concert. There was no time.
Speaker 1: I'm going to go eat it when I get home,
Speaker 1: eat your pie. Maybe I'll live stream it. I feel
Speaker 1: like I have to be in the right mood to
Speaker 1: eat a pie. Like it has to. I can't just
Speaker 1: eat it. I don't love pie, like I don't hate pie,
Speaker 1: but like it just has to strike me at that.
Speaker 1: I totally agree. I'm not a sweet person either, but
Speaker 1: the pie, it's like, you really have to be in
Speaker 1: the right mood. Imagine it's Pumpkin's better for me. It's
Speaker 1: like more appealing vegetable. But you know what's weird is
Speaker 1: remember how they reveal that there's no pumpkin in canned pumpkin.
Speaker 1: It's like a different I don't remember from the pumpkin.
Speaker 1: I don't those are two wet and fibrous for me.
Speaker 1: Oh no, well, I I make them. I make a
Speaker 1: vegan pumpkin pie with the whole pumpkin, and usually I
Speaker 1: play around with it, but a lot of times I
Speaker 1: just do a silk and toffee wound, which is actually
Speaker 1: pretty great. Um. And so then you have like the
Speaker 1: real pumpkininess and it doesn't give me what is the pie?
Speaker 1: The pumpkin pie you guys made today? It also looked
Speaker 1: really good. What was in it? It was just like
Speaker 1: a pumpkin and a ton of butter and sugar and
Speaker 1: you didn't use condensed milk. I don't remember. I wasn't.
Speaker 1: I wasn't fully in this. I was like dipping in
Speaker 1: and out. It was like my best friend Lindsay and
Speaker 1: my husband made it together and it was great. It
Speaker 1: was a great combo. It was great. And yeah I
Speaker 1: watched at home, but it was live in front of
Speaker 1: my eyes. And what other fall activities? I mean, I
Speaker 1: love like a haunted hay ride situation. I haven't gone
Speaker 1: in a couple of years because I heard it got
Speaker 1: kind of bad. The l a one but one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the Griffith Park ever gone, And I would like to
Speaker 1: I heard it was too scary for kids. It was
Speaker 1: too scary for kids by a mile. I love like
Speaker 1: the best, like one of those I ever went to,
Speaker 1: and it's closed now. But my best friend Kate lives
Speaker 1: in Vegas, and there's this place called Bonnie Springs, which
Speaker 1: is like forty five minutes outside of Vegas. There's nothing around.
Speaker 1: It's so scary. It's like pitch Black the whole drive
Speaker 1: and they turn it's like a I don't know, it's
Speaker 1: like a pig farm or something that they turned into
Speaker 1: this thing called Bonnie Screams, and it's like so low budget,
Speaker 1: but that makes it so much scarier. And just the
Speaker 1: fact that it's like in Nevada scary and like the
Speaker 1: laws here and yeah, and they like they make you
Speaker 1: go into the mazes like by yourself, like or you're
Speaker 1: just with your group, like you're not like following people,
Speaker 1: and and they like they don't tell you how to
Speaker 1: get out. There's not like regulations. I don't know if
Speaker 1: it's legal even what they were doing, but it's like
Speaker 1: an outdoor giant escape exit science. Like people just come
Speaker 1: right up to you and like there's no way to
Speaker 1: get around. Like it's just very scary and it was
Speaker 1: so good though it was that that was the best
Speaker 1: one I ever went to. That sounds terrific. I don't
Speaker 1: like to be that scared. Only, I think is the
Speaker 1: only one in our group that really likes to go
Speaker 1: get scared. Well. I did a thing at grant Land
Speaker 1: like where I tried all the different haunts and tried
Speaker 1: to find one that would actually scare. But you went
Speaker 1: alone also went on to all of them. Um, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think, like, I mean, there's a there's a big
Speaker 1: difference between being jump scared, which is like pretty easy
Speaker 1: to do, just like sneak up on somebody and go
Speaker 1: that's just being startled. Yeah, that's just being startled. It's
Speaker 1: not being scared. It's not like really genuinely having something
Speaker 1: get under your skin and feeling freaked out and spooky.
Speaker 1: Um I want to go to more stuff like that.
Speaker 1: I feel like stuff now either goes like all the
Speaker 1: way to the shock value end of things where it's
Speaker 1: just like or like the black I've never been on
Speaker 1: a in a blackout before, but like that's where you know,
Speaker 1: it's like torture, shoam, bruise and stuff like that. It's
Speaker 1: like edge Lord, haunted house. It's like no, it's like
Speaker 1: it's like they're like horrific scenes of like torture and
Speaker 1: like murders. It's like not, it's like not cute. It's
Speaker 1: like a hell house. Yeah, it sounds great. It's like
Speaker 1: it's like it's like can you handle it? And there's
Speaker 1: a there's a safe word and stuff and it's like
Speaker 1: full body contact. Oh. I did when I did one
Speaker 1: of those in New York when I was when I
Speaker 1: was in college, and they could like touch you and
Speaker 1: it was like fucked up. They like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: but I loved it. But I did like get diarrhea
Speaker 1: from being so scary. The scariest thing I've ever done
Speaker 1: wasn't a haunted house, but it was this thing in
Speaker 1: the Exploratorium that they built in the seventies, and it's
Speaker 1: called like the Filarium. Talking about it's so seventies. It's
Speaker 1: like you have to get a ticket to it. If
Speaker 1: I think like a Coppola designed it, it's seventy San
Speaker 1: Francisco thing. I don't think they have it anymore. Sounds
Speaker 1: like a lawsuits to be scary or is it just
Speaker 1: it's a pitchock geodesic dome obstacle course that you have
Speaker 1: to feel your way through that, and that sounds I
Speaker 1: did it with my boyfriend at the time, and I
Speaker 1: was like immediately so scared that I just grabbed onto
Speaker 1: him and just like forced him to like find the
Speaker 1: way the whole time. Um, they have a dark means
Speaker 1: or they had a dark mas at the Haunted hay Ride,
Speaker 1: which was the scariest thing there. I thought the l
Speaker 1: a Haunted hay Ride. I don't know if they still
Speaker 1: do it, but they would have people they can't touch you,
Speaker 1: and that's still it's not a it's not a full
Speaker 1: body contact one. But but you are, like in Pitch Black,
Speaker 1: finding your way through and you can hear like like
Speaker 1: speaky people around you. It's very scared. I love to
Speaker 1: be scared, but I like do scream like way too much,
Speaker 1: and it's very off putting. It's like I see a
Speaker 1: lot of horror movies during this season two, like in theaters,
Speaker 1: and I just like make everyone's embarrassed around me. I
Speaker 1: just screamed like really loud in movie theaters and it
Speaker 1: freaks people out. That's what you want, but I can't,
Speaker 1: And that's what you wanted. An audience. Yeah, I love that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I celebrate myself screams. I mean, I can't
Speaker 1: change that about me, so I have to. I have
Speaker 1: no choice but to embrace it. Is there a horror
Speaker 1: movie that you're looking forward to or that, Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: really good so far this year. I'm really excited about Countdown.
Speaker 1: It looks like a shitty teen horror movie. Those are
Speaker 1: the best ones that it's like one were you the
Speaker 1: teens like find out when they're going to die, and
Speaker 1: then one girl is like I'm going to dine in
Speaker 1: three hours and then like the teens have to like
Speaker 1: escape down. When does this come out? I have no idea,
Speaker 1: but I will find out and put that on the show.
Speaker 1: No Countdown. I keep getting the Instagram ads for it,
Speaker 1: so I know that it's the right film for me,
Speaker 1: Like targeting you. Um, yeah, so my friends, my friends
Speaker 1: and I like to go see like a site I'm
Speaker 1: seeing that. Yeah, I'm so excited I want to see that. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I feel like my favorite horror movies are like just
Speaker 1: the unsettling ones. I don't I don't love a ton
Speaker 1: of torture and gore. I like Slashers. We've talked about
Speaker 1: I like, I like what, I like gross movies. I
Speaker 1: like disgusting movies, Like I like Alien, Like I love it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I love Alien. Yeah, And like I don't know, like
Speaker 1: I think a lot of the Purge movies kind of
Speaker 1: count in that vein too, because sometimes there's just something
Speaker 1: like so gonzo violent in it that you're it's just
Speaker 1: like we're just also like too real now, because we
Speaker 1: were like joking last week about Donald Trump signing the
Speaker 1: Purge into law, those Gabe doll eyes joke, uh, and
Speaker 1: we're all like, it's two real. It's two real, it is.
Speaker 1: And then this thing with the p G and E
Speaker 1: blackouts in the Bay Area, where like the explanation is
Speaker 1: that it's like PG n E is bankrupt, so they
Speaker 1: didn't do any of the tree trimming and like maintenance
Speaker 1: they needed to do, and so their solution was to
Speaker 1: like shut off the power to all these places. But
Speaker 1: then also people found these photos of like they just
Speaker 1: had their company retreated a vineyard in the Purges, like
Speaker 1: to on points sometimes I appreciate it. So it feels
Speaker 1: exactly like the right level of like social commentary that
Speaker 1: should be in a horse like with the exact right
Speaker 1: level of seriousness that should be in a horrorone. That's
Speaker 1: my favorite non horror fall tradition, which is what watching
Speaker 1: the Sopranos oh every year around. But that's also that's Thanksgiving,
Speaker 1: which now I know it doesn't count as fault, but
Speaker 1: but it does. And also that's a better November tradition
Speaker 1: than Thanksgiving. That's a great fall. It's perfect. That is
Speaker 1: actually like a fall vibe. That makes me really like
Speaker 1: fall because it's like a fall of the mind. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it's like I think, you know, in California is
Speaker 1: so much pressure just be outside having fun all the time.
Speaker 1: I just hate the fires in the Santa Anna's and
Speaker 1: I associate those with fall. Well, that's like our winter. Also,
Speaker 1: we do have to hide inside. It's kind of just
Speaker 1: are always It's just always fire season, so you have
Speaker 1: to you know, it happens every year. But every year,
Speaker 1: I'm like, wow, really like it was starting to get cold.
Speaker 1: I thought it might really just be fall. So I
Speaker 1: do think that Kate and eye level falls a little
Speaker 1: bit of like a psychotic break from reality. I think
Speaker 1: it's truly unhinged and like Unwell, can we wrap up
Speaker 1: with talking about the Emoji House Okay, So there's this
Speaker 1: house in my hometown of Manhattan Beach, California, where I
Speaker 1: grew up, um, and it's like owned by this woman
Speaker 1: who I guess was renting it out as I'm guessing
Speaker 1: an Airbnb or something, and she painted it um pink
Speaker 1: and added like emojis to the front of it because
Speaker 1: her neighbors like reported the illegal airbnb because in Manhattan
Speaker 1: Beach it's like illegal um and they reported her to
Speaker 1: the city and she was like fine, like four thousand
Speaker 1: dollars or something, and so as a like act of retribution,
Speaker 1: she allegedly painted emojis based on them on the front
Speaker 1: of the house and like one has big eyelashes, because
Speaker 1: this is my favorite part, because her neighbor has like
Speaker 1: eyelash extensions. Oh my god, and like everyone's like, that's
Speaker 1: clearly about the neighborhood, the eyelash extensions, and even the
Speaker 1: neighbor with the eyelash extensions like gave interviews and did
Speaker 1: like a stry sand effect thing where she was like,
Speaker 1: I knew it was targeted to me because I got
Speaker 1: eyelash extensions and they looked too big and I felt
Speaker 1: self conscious, and everyone knew how selftious and your eyelashes
Speaker 1: are too long and beautiful. Kate did a like self
Speaker 1: reported it was you for watching. Yeah, I was like,
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't have a real job, Like
Speaker 1: I'm compelled to go to Manhattan Beach, like the day
Speaker 1: after the l A Times covered it. I was like, okay,
Speaker 1: like Manhattan Beach is in the news, Like this is
Speaker 1: my moment. I took my zom recorder O my god,
Speaker 1: and like filmed myself on my iPhone like walking up
Speaker 1: the hill and I was like, I'm going to like
Speaker 1: see what's going on on the ground, and like it
Speaker 1: was like popping, like there were so many people driving
Speaker 1: by to take selfies in front of the house. And
Speaker 1: then I saw the neighbors that were like in the
Speaker 1: city Hall video and they were like so mad that
Speaker 1: I was there. Really yeah, I was like because I
Speaker 1: was like trying to get people to interview, to be
Speaker 1: on Jack Am to like talk about it, and no
Speaker 1: one would go on Mike to talk to me. But
Speaker 1: I did get like one off the record interview and
Speaker 1: she was like she was like I don't record this,
Speaker 1: Like she was like um, but she told me that
Speaker 1: the eyelash thing was true. And that the lady who
Speaker 1: owns the house is like allegedly like kind of a
Speaker 1: slum lord type of situation, and that the neighbors yeah,
Speaker 1: and that she was like it had this huge like
Speaker 1: roach infestation, she like wouldn't deal with it or something
Speaker 1: like another property or it might have been at another property.
Speaker 1: I don't have the ground reporting, so like I have,
Speaker 1: I do have some insider info, and it was like
Speaker 1: kind of a thrill. It was also like very Manhattan Beach,
Speaker 1: like very isolated and like privileged, and like they also
Speaker 1: were like there were too many parties at that hots,
Speaker 1: like they were throwing like bottle caps on the ground.
Speaker 1: I was like bottle caps, Like this is a town
Speaker 1: where it's like very very illegal to like be homeless
Speaker 1: at all. So it's like not the greatest like vibe.
Speaker 1: That's why I enjoyed your reporting. Y um. Well, Kate,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining us explaining. Thank you
Speaker 1: so much for having everybody check out Kate Raft every
Speaker 1: day on jack amu on Twitch. It's the best, It's
Speaker 1: the best. Thank you best most Ahead of the Curve
Speaker 1: podcasts in the world, and also check out this podcast
Speaker 1: is Self Care with Kate and Drew Spears. You can
Speaker 1: check me out on the Self Grandparenting episode. Yeah, just
Speaker 1: come out. It came out a while ago, but self
Speaker 1: Grandparenting there was like an article about it today with
Speaker 1: like knitting needles and yeah, it's going internationally. Somebody interviewed
Speaker 1: me about it for Mashable in Australia and then that
Speaker 1: got picked up by a Canadian blog. So I think
Speaker 1: self Grandparenting will be the thing that really uh gets
Speaker 1: us the money to buy the Emoji House. Okay, so
Speaker 1: the Emoji House is the price is dropping on it
Speaker 1: because no one wants to buy it. So you know
Speaker 1: how much is it? It was eight million? I think
Speaker 1: now it's like seven point five. We'll get there, I
Speaker 1: think you do. I allegedly heard that it needs a
Speaker 1: gut renovation, right and it's haunted to Yeah, it's it's
Speaker 1: how many people were murdered there. Well, thanks for having
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