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Speaker 2: Hello listeners, just jumping into the top of this episode

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Speaker 2: for a reminder about our upcoming Midwest tour. We are

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Speaker 2: so excited about this. We are coming to Indianapolis, Chicago, Madison,

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Speaker 2: our Indianapolis show on August thirtieth, that's a Saturday matinee,

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Speaker 2: and then later that night Jamie is doing a solo

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Speaker 2: First following that is a show in Madison on September fourth,

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Speaker 2: are very close to announcing the movies we're going to

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Speaker 2: for that. Check our Instagram. The ticket links for the

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Speaker 2: shows will also be updated shortly with the movie choices.

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Speaker 2: And speaking of those ticket links, you can access them

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Speaker 2: they sell out. We're gonna pull out all the stops

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Speaker 2: for this first ever Midwest tour that we're doing. You

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Speaker 2: and in the meantime, enjoy the episode the cast. Woof, woof.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you so much. It's dogs can do anything?

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Speaker 3: But should they? A question that will come up much today.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to the Bechdel Cast Our. My name is Shamie

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Speaker 2: My name is Caitlin Deronte. This is our show where

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Speaker 2: we examine movies through an intersectional feminist lens, using the

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Speaker 2: Bechdel test as a jumping off point.

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Speaker 3: It feels silly, but you're you're going to be shocked

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Speaker 3: at the things that come up today. I'm still recovering.

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Speaker 3: I watched this movie three days ago and I've been

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Speaker 2: There's a lot to say it took us.

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Speaker 3: So if you've been a longtime listener of the show,

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Speaker 3: I feel like through this conversation you'll understand why it

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Speaker 3: took us nine full years to cover this movie. We

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Speaker 3: really had to know ourselves better. We needed to know

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Speaker 3: the medium fully. Yes, we needed to have hard discussions.

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Speaker 3: We needed to develop our skills as critics and grow

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Speaker 3: as people before we could have the episode discussion that

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Speaker 3: we're going to have today. It's our Airbud episode.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say that our Flubber episode walked so

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Speaker 3: Yeah, because Flubber. There's a lot going on in Flubber,

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Speaker 3: and you can listen to that episode. But I wouldn't

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Speaker 2: Wow, yes, yes, exactly so we're covering Airbud and we're

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Speaker 2: so excited about our guests today. They are two real

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Speaker 2: it's Megan Hatcher May's and Lindy West.

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Speaker 4: Welcome.

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Speaker 5: Yay, it's true. It's us to real life best friends.

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Speaker 6: We are so excited to be here.

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Speaker 2: I have you.

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Speaker 5: We're so excited. Everything you've said about Araic Bud is

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Speaker 3: There's so much going on. I well, first, okay, before

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Speaker 3: get quite serious very soon. Oh yes, yes, of course.

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Speaker 4: a news story. I heard parentheses a TikTok I saw

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Speaker 5: I didn't know that there previously had been a race

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Speaker 5: Okay, yes, but yeah, we've been best friends since high

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Speaker 5: beautiful years ago. And our show is just like stuff

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Speaker 5: we think is really funny. It's really hard to describe,

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Speaker 5: from laughing. That's a text me back podcast guarantee. That's

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Speaker 2: Incredible, That sounds lovely and well. Unfortunately, though, if you're

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Speaker 2: looking for fun and silliness on this episode on Airbud,

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Speaker 3: Nope, the fund ends now because Meggan and Lindy what

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Speaker 5: None. I have no history. I mean, I am clearly

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Speaker 5: I'm aware of the impact Arabud has had on our culture,

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Speaker 2: So jealous, I'm so excited to talk about this movie

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Speaker 5: No, we just thought it would be funny.

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Speaker 4: In Power Power.

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Speaker 5: or I don't know, this is unique to this particular church.

439
00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:46,080
Speaker 3: My church had a playground, but not a not a

440
00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:46,800
Speaker 3: basketball court.

441
00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:49,120
Speaker 5: I was like, who was out of her balling when

442
00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:51,880
Speaker 5: the church was still in business.

443
00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:55,040
Speaker 3: There's one of those cool youth pastors. It's like, I know,

444
00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:57,000
Speaker 3: I'll get the kid just here.

445
00:23:56,640 --> 00:24:00,560
Speaker 5: Doing some crossover and stuff. Yeah, he's like bigee you

446
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:01,120
Speaker 5: know it.

447
00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:04,800
Speaker 4: Yeah. To me, it's like it's you can imagine a

448
00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:07,480
Speaker 4: church having a basketball court, but this church seems to

449
00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:10,840
Speaker 4: only have a basketball court, Like there's not there's not

450
00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:15,800
Speaker 4: like a graveyard or a play structure or anything. There's

451
00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:16,560
Speaker 4: no parking lot.

452
00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:21,080
Speaker 2: No, it's just a haunted ass church with a basketball court.

453
00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:22,119
Speaker 4: Very normal.

454
00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:28,000
Speaker 2: And Josh starts shooting hoops and not to bully this child,

455
00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:30,600
Speaker 2: but he sucks at it really bad and the ball

456
00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:34,000
Speaker 2: goes flying into the bushes and then there's some like

457
00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:38,040
Speaker 2: rustling and dog sounds, but all he can find is

458
00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:41,080
Speaker 2: a scrap from the dog's clown costume.

459
00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:44,480
Speaker 3: Eventually, what they do meet, did it remind anyone else

460
00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:47,960
Speaker 3: of et like? Their meeting felt very et coded to be.

461
00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:52,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, because he's luring the creature with sweets.

462
00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:54,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, with little puddings, yeah, out of the bushes.

463
00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:58,320
Speaker 3: But then it's like just a golden retriever, no offensive buddy, can.

464
00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:02,199
Speaker 5: We quickly address? So, lind I'm so curious Lindy your

465
00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:06,639
Speaker 5: emotional state watching Airbud because Lindy herself owns a Golden Retriever.

466
00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:10,359
Speaker 5: His name is Barry Reveal or air Berry.

467
00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:11,520
Speaker 3: Yeah.

468
00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:15,520
Speaker 5: Yes, Now Barry is more of a copper toned prince,

469
00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:17,399
Speaker 5: and I would say air Bud is a little bit

470
00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:21,160
Speaker 5: more blonde. But so there's so much Berry air Bud

471
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:22,760
Speaker 5: personality crossover.

472
00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:23,160
Speaker 4: Yeah.

473
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:24,679
Speaker 5: But the whole time I was watching this movie, I

474
00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:27,240
Speaker 5: was like, I feel as though Lindy is going to

475
00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:29,720
Speaker 5: be emotionally devastated just at the mere sight of Airbud

476
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:32,280
Speaker 5: because he's so Berry like. And I am just curious

477
00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:35,840
Speaker 5: would Barry successfully be lured by tapioca pudding or like,

478
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:38,040
Speaker 5: how exactly would you get him to come out onto

479
00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:38,880
Speaker 5: the basketball court.

480
00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:43,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, watching this movie was rough, and I will say

481
00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:48,359
Speaker 4: that it it's extremely accurate to my you know, it

482
00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:52,480
Speaker 4: matches up with my experience, the vibe and the energy

483
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:58,639
Speaker 4: of Airbud visibility. Yeah, representation, Barry would eat an unlimited

484
00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:01,159
Speaker 4: number of pudding cups. He would come out of the

485
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:09,120
Speaker 4: bushes for any amount of pudding cups, spaghettios the other thing. Yeah,

486
00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:11,480
Speaker 4: by the way, Josh not doing a great job of

487
00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:14,720
Speaker 4: taking care of this dog. No, really bad. It's too

488
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:17,040
Speaker 4: much pudding for a dog, for sure.

489
00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:19,600
Speaker 3: I was thinking that where I was like, God, you

490
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:22,480
Speaker 3: know that there's a bunch of kids that really took

491
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:23,120
Speaker 3: that to heart.

492
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:27,960
Speaker 4: I mean, but the thing about Barry, it's hard to

493
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:34,080
Speaker 4: say because Barry has lived a soft life of pure leisure.

494
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:36,560
Speaker 4: Not one bad thing has ever happened to him. He's

495
00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:39,719
Speaker 4: been coddled since birth. He's never been abused by an

496
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:42,920
Speaker 4: evil clown. So the idea that Barry would ever even

497
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:46,840
Speaker 4: hide from a human and not immediately attack them and

498
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:49,520
Speaker 4: knock them over so that they will pet him. Barry

499
00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:51,360
Speaker 4: would never be in the bushes waiting to be lurd

500
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:55,160
Speaker 4: with pudding. Like if Barry saw a boy with pudding,

501
00:26:56,160 --> 00:27:01,879
Speaker 4: the boy is toast. There's no hope. So I don't know,

502
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:05,879
Speaker 4: but all the chaos that Airbud causes is very familiar

503
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:08,199
Speaker 4: to me. Okay, which we we'll get to.

504
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 2: Yes, it's coming soon.

505
00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:12,880
Speaker 4: But we have seen We've seen him cause one scene

506
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:15,440
Speaker 4: of chaos at the birthday party, but that was more

507
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:17,280
Speaker 4: the clown doing all the chaos.

508
00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:20,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean the clown was not talented. Well, fair

509
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:23,679
Speaker 5: Bud was exceptionally talented at catching those little balls in

510
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:24,600
Speaker 5: his mouth, you know.

511
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:29,040
Speaker 4: Okay, I'm sorry, Perhaps we've watched different movies. What I

512
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:32,240
Speaker 4: recall is that Airbud is doing his little ball tricks.

513
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:36,480
Speaker 4: Then the clown throws a bigger ball at Airbun. Airbud

514
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:40,439
Speaker 4: boops the ball back straight at the clown's nuts and

515
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:44,520
Speaker 4: he deserves, which he deserves, injures the clown in his privates,

516
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:48,800
Speaker 4: and then the clown starts flailing and screaming, and then

517
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 4: Airbud is not helping. He's racing around, he's hiding under tables.

518
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:56,359
Speaker 4: The clown is chasing him. He's I'm just saying, obviously

519
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:58,199
Speaker 4: the clown is to blame.

520
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:02,640
Speaker 5: As they say in the law, can tributory negligence, So.

521
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:06,400
Speaker 4: There was some contributory negligence. I'm just saying, sure. But yeah,

522
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:07,600
Speaker 4: that's what my dog is like as well.

523
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:12,399
Speaker 3: And also, I mean the reason Airbud does all that

524
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 3: is because, to quote Josh screaming, which he does a

525
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:17,120
Speaker 3: lot towards the end of the movie.

526
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:25,119
Speaker 4: He yeah, but hates that clowns ass so much.

527
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 3: Josh, Oh my god, he's doing so he's a child.

528
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:31,640
Speaker 3: Shout out Kevin Ziegler because he's seekers because he's doing

529
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 3: so much, he's really selling. My dad just exploded, honestly, Like,

530
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:40,240
Speaker 3: I'm surprised we haven't seen more of him.

531
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:40,959
Speaker 4: Where'd he go?

532
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:42,520
Speaker 5: We was on Gossip Girl.

533
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 4: Ye oh good, good, good good, because like there's a

534
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:48,400
Speaker 4: part later, sorry spoiler, but like spoiler, there's a part

535
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 4: later where he like talks to this girl at school

536
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 4: and I'm so sorry to her. But you can really

537
00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 4: see the difference between a real actor and a Canadian

538
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:03,000
Speaker 4: child that they hired to yeah, to deliver one line.

539
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 3: I think that's true.

540
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, Josh is a freaking pro.

541
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:07,480
Speaker 2: He's a good child actor.

542
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:11,400
Speaker 3: He went full method for this. He blew his dad up.

543
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:18,000
Speaker 2: He's also in most of the sequels, oh, if not

544
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:18,600
Speaker 2: all of them.

545
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 3: He's in Okay. I I hate that he's in the

546
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:23,560
Speaker 3: first four, and then he's the protagonist. I think of

547
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 3: the first three and then the fourth, there's a grand

548
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 3: passing of the baton between Josh and Andrea. Josh goes

549
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:32,560
Speaker 3: to college and so he's in the movie, but he's

550
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 3: not the protagonist. And then that's when Andrea takes over.

551
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 3: She's missus Baseball at this point, gotcha right, right? I

552
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 3: The extra homework I did for this was learning about

553
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:47,480
Speaker 3: the expanded air Bud universe, which encompasses twelve movies.

554
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 2: Well, because there's all the air Buds and then air Buddy,

555
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 2: then there's a spin off of air Buddies, and then

556
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:58,600
Speaker 2: which becomes snow Buddies, Space Buddies, Super Buddy, Fanta Buddy,

557
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:02,640
Speaker 2: Treasure Buddies, Pookie Budies, and Santa Buddies, the legend of

558
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:06,080
Speaker 2: Santa Pause, which then spins off into Santa Pause and

559
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:08,480
Speaker 2: Santa Paus to the Santa Pups.

560
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:12,479
Speaker 3: Okay, you can't tell by this small you know this,

561
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:16,000
Speaker 3: this very intimate family drama that we're talking about, The

562
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:21,440
Speaker 3: eventual airbud universe will will have global implications across literally

563
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 3: time and space.

564
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:23,160
Speaker 5: Yeah.

565
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:29,240
Speaker 3: And then in real life it resulted in Disney killing

566
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 3: over a dozen puppies, which I will get to the

567
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:35,960
Speaker 3: most famously evil thing you can do be responsible for

568
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:37,400
Speaker 3: the death of puppies.

569
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 4: Which I think we all learned from a Disney movie, yes,

570
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:41,920
Speaker 4: called one hundred and one Dollmatians.

571
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:44,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, but that's not till two thousand and eight, during

572
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 3: the production of Snow Buddies. Oh boy, oh sidebar later.

573
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 4: Oh brother, it's you know, since we have this golden retriever.

574
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:55,080
Speaker 4: As soon as the movie started, my partner Roya started

575
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:57,800
Speaker 4: was like, I can't watch it. I can't watch it.

576
00:30:57,800 --> 00:30:59,760
Speaker 4: Something's gonna happen to the dog, something can happen to

577
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:01,840
Speaker 4: the dog. I was like, nothing happens to the dog.

578
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:05,000
Speaker 4: I can tell you because there's nine hundred sequels, including

579
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 4: we know that Airbud is extremely virile and has like

580
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 4: one hundred children puppies who go on to play every

581
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:17,360
Speaker 4: sport on Earth. So she's like she couldn't calm down.

582
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 4: She's very stressed, almost in tears, even when like all

583
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 4: the dog's doing is playing one on one with a boy.

584
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 4: Meanwhile she's reading out loud the most horrific facts from

585
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:30,480
Speaker 4: Buddy's Wikipedia page.

586
00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:31,600
Speaker 3: Yes, like dead puppy.

587
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:35,080
Speaker 4: Oh this is his last film. He dies of cancer

588
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 4: at age nine. I was like, sorry, oo, are making

589
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:43,600
Speaker 4: me depressed about things that really happened to a real dog.

590
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 4: Meanwhile you're freaking out about things that aren't even gonna

591
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:48,160
Speaker 4: happen to a fictional dog.

592
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 3: Anyway, It's really sad, it's really and and they go

593
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:55,920
Speaker 3: on and like Buddy Buddy is the only Buddy has

594
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:58,760
Speaker 3: two stunt doubles. I think in this because he did

595
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:00,480
Speaker 3: not want to walk on the roof of the house,

596
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:02,200
Speaker 3: and that's fair he did.

597
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:04,640
Speaker 5: That was the cutest part though. It was so funny.

598
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 3: But I in future air Buds, Buddy would be played

599
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 3: by four, five or six dogs, which feels more ethical.

600
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 3: But this is this is Buddy's only This is Buddy's

601
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 3: only film.

602
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:20,560
Speaker 5: It's like when they hire twins to play kids, a

603
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 5: single kid on a sitcom.

604
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 3: Buddy's fascinating because I feel like he's this part of

605
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 3: this like star system that doesn't exist anymore, where he

606
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 3: kind of becomes famous the way that some comedians become famous,

607
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 3: where he was like on Letterman a lot in the

608
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 3: early nineties. He's not on like Pee Wee Herman and

609
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 3: that he was on Letterman a lot, and then he

610
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:40,640
Speaker 3: got his own starring vehicle.

611
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:42,800
Speaker 4: Nice shout out to him.

612
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:49,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, okay. So then Josh tries out for the

613
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 2: basketball team at school. He doesn't make it.

614
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:55,360
Speaker 4: But okay, he doesn't. He just sits on the bleachers

615
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 4: like a weirdo. He doesn't even do the tryouts, right.

616
00:32:58,160 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 5: I was like, did we see that off screen or

617
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:01,720
Speaker 5: just like you know, he just sort of is just

618
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 5: like sitting there at first, although like in between there's

619
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:08,600
Speaker 5: a janitor who you can tell has sort of a

620
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 5: mystical air about him. Uh, and the janitor likes sees

621
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:15,040
Speaker 5: something in Josh. He's like, why isn't Josh throwing out meanwhile, Josh.

622
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:18,000
Speaker 5: So then Josh becomes the first, he becomes the manager

623
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 5: of the team right wherein he is.

624
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 4: Bullied by Larry.

625
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 3: Honestly, if I was told that I was a manager

626
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 3: of the basketball team, I'd be like, I'd just rather

627
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 3: not do it any of this.

628
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, this coach makes him do like basketball child labor.

629
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 2: I know at night in the basement.

630
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:36,520
Speaker 3: I'll go play the trump on.

631
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 4: You need to stay after school until ten pm and

632
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 4: you need to wash your bullies dirty underwear that he

633
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:47,479
Speaker 4: threw on your face, Like that's I don't think that's allowed.

634
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:48,840
Speaker 5: I don't think that's a real job.

635
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 3: Also, the way that this coach is written we'll get

636
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:57,120
Speaker 3: into is so severe turned. But he has this wildline

637
00:33:57,280 --> 00:34:00,360
Speaker 3: during I think his first scene where he says, if

638
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 3: you can win on the court, you can win it life,

639
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 3: which is just a really intense thing to say.

640
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:08,320
Speaker 2: No, that's true, Jamie, that's true.

641
00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:12,800
Speaker 3: Not for him.

642
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 4: I also like the there's when Josh first comes into

643
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 4: the gym for the for the tryouts. I think the

644
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:20,360
Speaker 4: reason he doesn't try out is because he's immediately bullied,

645
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:23,280
Speaker 4: which also just is weird because he just is another

646
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:25,319
Speaker 4: boy who looks the same as all that. It's like,

647
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:27,719
Speaker 4: why are these people picking on him, but he has

648
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:30,200
Speaker 4: this red, white and blue basketball and then Larry the

649
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:33,239
Speaker 4: Bully goes, you look like you stole that from the

650
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:36,279
Speaker 4: Harlem Globe Trotters or something like that, and it's like nice, Yeah,

651
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:42,240
Speaker 4: that's a famous basketball teams, Like, Larry, what's your damage? Larry?

652
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 3: What the hell? Larry?

653
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:47,640
Speaker 4: You would you would never make it onto the Harlem Globetrotters, Larry.

654
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 3: Larry's just bad because his father is an actual cartoon character,

655
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:55,920
Speaker 3: Larry's father, Big the Guy. The guy's having a blast.

656
00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:58,760
Speaker 3: He's like, my, I just gotta get on the court.

657
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:01,920
Speaker 3: Like his face so elastic, it's very distracting.

658
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:06,360
Speaker 4: Also, the coach is like, hey, I need a manager.

659
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:08,440
Speaker 4: I noticed that you just sat on the bleachers and

660
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 4: you didn't try out. That's fine, you're clearly a loser

661
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:12,960
Speaker 4: who wouldn't make it. I do need a manager. It's

662
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:14,880
Speaker 4: a ton of work. You got to get here before

663
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:17,720
Speaker 4: the team and leave after the team. Anyway, you're hired.

664
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 4: First of all, you're not selling it. That sounds horrible.

665
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:23,319
Speaker 4: And Josh doesn't even agree. But then the coach is

666
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 4: just like, he just conscripts him to be his servant.

667
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:30,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, and Josh and Josh's mom is just like I

668
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 3: need childcare. Yeah, this is this is what's gonna happen.

669
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:39,279
Speaker 3: Yeah that works Josh's mom. I have such a complicated,

670
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:42,440
Speaker 3: such complicated feelings around Josh's mom because sometimes I'm like

671
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:45,920
Speaker 3: she's doing her best, she's her husband exploded. But then

672
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 3: other times she's so harsh with Josh in ways that

673
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:53,320
Speaker 3: and Airbud like I was like, she acts like Airbud

674
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:55,720
Speaker 3: blew her husband up, like the way that she treats

675
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:56,880
Speaker 3: him sometimes.

676
00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:59,799
Speaker 5: Yeah she does. I mean there's a scene where like

677
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:02,719
Speaker 5: like meanwhile, while this is all happening, Josh is like

678
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:07,400
Speaker 5: becoming the basketball coach, manager whatever. Airbud is still hiding

679
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:09,239
Speaker 5: out at the condemned.

680
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:12,279
Speaker 3: Church basketball court.

681
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 5: And then eventually he wins him over with the tapioca

682
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:19,279
Speaker 5: and he brings Airbud in for like a makeover montage,

683
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:21,800
Speaker 5: you know, and then Airbud escapes.

684
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 4: It turns out Airbud is hot.

685
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:30,720
Speaker 5: He takes uf Airbuds glasses, they take off Airbuds glasses,

686
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:33,400
Speaker 5: and he's a hot hottie under there. He's not a nerd.

687
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 5: So anyway, he escapes from the bathroom after his makeover

688
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:39,200
Speaker 5: and then runs into the living room and knocks over

689
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 5: the ladder that has all the paint and wallpapering supplies

690
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 5: on it, and paint and glue go everywhere. Now here's

691
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:47,600
Speaker 5: a questions, Mom, why did you leave paint cans with

692
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:51,359
Speaker 5: no lids on out like that all day? Because she's

693
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:52,960
Speaker 5: just come home from work and I was like, what

694
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:55,440
Speaker 5: is wrong with this? Is not on Airbud at all. No,

695
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:58,360
Speaker 5: this is on you, fake Ileana Douglas.

696
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:00,839
Speaker 3: She does not take accountability for this. She blames it

697
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:04,319
Speaker 3: on air Bud entirely outrageous. And then the thing that

698
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 3: really stuck with me, I guess we are just sort

699
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:09,880
Speaker 3: of continuing the recapha. This is where the movie's go

700
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 3: Like Josh obviously is like I want this dog, and

701
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 3: I'm just like, I'm sorry, this kid just lost his dad.

702
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:19,880
Speaker 3: You have to give him anything he wants, Like that

703
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:23,839
Speaker 3: is the fucking dog. My friend Grace friend of the pod,

704
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 3: Grace freyd I just saw her one person show about

705
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:29,520
Speaker 3: like she lost her dad when she was ten or eleven,

706
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:31,880
Speaker 3: and she like she there's a great joke about how

707
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 3: she was like I knew I was going to get

708
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:36,440
Speaker 3: a PS two and that was really powerful and it's like,

709
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:40,160
Speaker 3: because you have to give the grieving child the thing

710
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 3: they want.

711
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 5: Just got a shower with gifts for a little while,

712
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:43,240
Speaker 5: I think.

713
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, And Josh's mom is like absolutely not. And then

714
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:51,280
Speaker 3: even when when Josh gives him a little cardboard box,

715
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 3: she's like tear it up, like.

716
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:56,839
Speaker 5: Yeah, she's such an asshole about it. I know you're

717
00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:58,880
Speaker 5: trying to make a home for air Bud, and I

718
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:00,440
Speaker 5: won't stand for.

719
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:03,000
Speaker 4: Josh is like, can the dog just live in this

720
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:06,360
Speaker 4: wet box in the yard, And she's like absolutely not.

721
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:10,480
Speaker 5: But like, I want to say a couple of things

722
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:13,360
Speaker 5: because I feel like this is important for later. Despite

723
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:16,920
Speaker 5: this adversity, Josh really does do his due diligence. He

724
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:19,239
Speaker 5: puts up the found Dog posters all over the town, which,

725
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:21,440
Speaker 5: by the way, this is the first instance of me

726
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 5: genuinely laughing. Josh is putting up the found Dog and

727
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 5: it's like a picture of air Bud and air Buzz

728
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 5: is running up snatching those things right off the telephone

729
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:33,400
Speaker 5: fall and I was like comedy was watching it, just

730
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:38,400
Speaker 5: going aha, but that is so funny, and he's just

731
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:40,880
Speaker 5: putting him up all over the town, So he really,

732
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:43,160
Speaker 5: I mean, even though he really really wants this dog.

733
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:46,880
Speaker 5: He is like doing what is necessary to like find

734
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:50,720
Speaker 5: his home if such home exists, even though he deserves

735
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:52,160
Speaker 5: that damn dog, he does.

736
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:54,960
Speaker 3: Lord, let the kid have the dog. I was so

737
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 3: frustrated with her, I know.

738
00:38:56,800 --> 00:39:00,600
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely. Also, if we haven't made this clear yet,

739
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 2: Josh discovers that the dog can kind of play basketball.

740
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:11,359
Speaker 5: Yeah, he discovers Airbud can ball immediately at the abandoned church.

741
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:14,919
Speaker 4: Immediately because actually the thing that wins the dog over

742
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 4: is not the pudding. The pudding lures him out of

743
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 4: the bushes, but then Josh notices that the dog is

744
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:24,400
Speaker 4: fixated on his Harlem Globetrotter's basketball, and so that he's like,

745
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 4: do you like this ball? Boy? Like, like I like that.

746
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 3: Airbud has to be convinced of Josh, not the reverse,

747
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:40,320
Speaker 3: because he's like, oh you ball, okay.

748
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 5: Okay, player, let's play.

749
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 4: Oh, by the way, can I really quickly? Like There's

750
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:47,120
Speaker 4: also this part where Josh cleans up the landscaping on

751
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:50,239
Speaker 4: the basketball court and for some reason decides to kick

752
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:53,239
Speaker 4: over this fence and then on the immediately on the

753
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 4: other side of the fence is a beautiful.

754
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:59,880
Speaker 5: Lake with like a Mountain glacial Yeah.

755
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:01,560
Speaker 4: And it was shot in Vancouber, which which makes sense

756
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:04,200
Speaker 4: because that is kind of what it looks like up

757
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:07,880
Speaker 4: here where I live outside Seattle. But I'm sorry, not

758
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:09,799
Speaker 4: a good thing to have next to your basketball court.

759
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:13,360
Speaker 2: A gaping hole where the ball can go through the ball.

760
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:15,880
Speaker 4: Is immediately gonna go into the lake, especially if a

761
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:17,200
Speaker 4: dog is playing.

762
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:19,719
Speaker 5: Yeah, play basketball, Like well, this dog is so good.

763
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:21,399
Speaker 3: It's almost like the church knew what they were doing

764
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:25,520
Speaker 3: when they put that fence up. That was it Also like.

765
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 5: I love that the church is like could someone cover

766
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 5: up that view? Do I want to look at God's

767
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 5: wonders while I preach? No, I don't.

768
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:36,480
Speaker 4: This church is not about God's wonders. This church is

769
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 4: about one thing and that's best. That's that's basketball church.

770
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:41,240
Speaker 5: Baby.

771
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:44,360
Speaker 3: I Also, I mean it's like and it's also presented

772
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:47,840
Speaker 3: as if like Josh is not aware of where he lives.

773
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:50,399
Speaker 3: He's like, oh, there's water here. It was like, well

774
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:51,759
Speaker 3: you know that, you know that?

775
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:52,440
Speaker 4: Oh my god?

776
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:54,840
Speaker 2: He gets in a boat later to an island, the

777
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:55,920
Speaker 2: water taxi.

778
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:58,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, he gets a little Yeah, he gets on a

779
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:00,240
Speaker 5: little tugboat or a little water tax.

780
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:02,439
Speaker 3: I'm kind of obsessed with the water taxi guy later

781
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 3: because he looks like he is from another century. Then

782
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 3: the Money takes place in and never speaks. It just

783
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:10,359
Speaker 3: takes this kid back and forth. I was like, what

784
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:11,320
Speaker 3: is his story?

785
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 5: He didn't realize he was even in a movie. He

786
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 5: just like, you want to ride?

787
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:18,520
Speaker 4: Okay, He's up on a grizzled teenage Mariner.

788
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:21,680
Speaker 3: He's wearing a Newsy cap. I was like, what movie

789
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 3: are you in the trench coat?

790
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:26,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's frightening.

791
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:28,760
Speaker 5: But I think you know, with like the gentle coaching

792
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:32,080
Speaker 5: of air Bud, Josh learns how to ball, like he

793
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:34,839
Speaker 5: gets a lot better, and it really is, because you know,

794
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:39,360
Speaker 5: Airbud is out here boopin' and crossing over yeah, and assisting.

795
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 5: And Josh was like, wow, I get it now, I

796
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:44,680
Speaker 5: get the fundamentals of basketball. Thank you Airbud. So it's

797
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:45,240
Speaker 5: pretty sweet.

798
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 3: It's really nice.

799
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:47,040
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.

800
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 3: So now Josh has Airbud and his mom is like,

801
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 3: you can't have this dog, And then she says if

802
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:55,880
Speaker 3: no one claims the dog by Christmas, which is about

803
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:58,520
Speaker 3: two weeks away, she'll take him to the pound. One

804
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:02,320
Speaker 3: of the many false conflicts of the movie because then boom,

805
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:06,920
Speaker 3: it's Christmas with another weirdly, like the Christmas montage is

806
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:09,759
Speaker 3: so weird to me, where it's like a montage where

807
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:13,560
Speaker 3: the mom is speaking in voiceover about like Santa Is.

808
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:19,440
Speaker 3: She's talking about Santa like he's Jesus. Yeah, yes, sorry, is.

809
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:21,839
Speaker 4: That is she reading from like a miracle on thirty

810
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:24,280
Speaker 4: fourth Street or something. She's like reading from a book.

811
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:26,320
Speaker 4: But it is weirdly, it's weird.

812
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:29,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is very Chris Christian coded.

813
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 4: Okay, but before we get to Christmas, there's the moment

814
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:37,280
Speaker 4: when a moment when I genuinely left so loud, which

815
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:40,840
Speaker 4: was when they're making the deal. The mom is like, Okay,

816
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 4: he can stay in the yard for two weeks, but

817
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:45,320
Speaker 4: he's not allowed in the house. And if you ever

818
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:49,680
Speaker 4: sneak that dog in the house, this is over. Do

819
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:52,239
Speaker 4: you understand you you are not allowed to sneak the

820
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 4: dog in the house of Josh is like, I totally understand.

821
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:59,920
Speaker 4: And then they're in the foreground in the background teeny

822
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 4: tiny at the top of the stairs you can just

823
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:08,160
Speaker 4: see Airbud's little face peeking through the last Airbud has

824
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 4: already sneaked into the house. He's on it I was,

825
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 4: he's been living in this house. Josh doesn't even know.

826
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:18,600
Speaker 5: Josh doesn't even know. I was weeping at this. It

827
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:21,160
Speaker 5: was so funny, just like the visual of like the

828
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:23,200
Speaker 5: mom being mad at the concept of Airbud being in

829
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:25,800
Speaker 5: the house at Airbud, just being like, ha, it's so funny.

830
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:27,600
Speaker 5: And so I took a picture of my TV and

831
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:29,279
Speaker 5: I was like, once Lindy watches it, I'm gonna send

832
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 5: this to her. And then in Unison we were like

833
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:33,480
Speaker 5: this part killed me, and we sent each other the

834
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 5: same picture of Airbud in the background, like mugging the mom.

835
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:40,480
Speaker 5: I was like, this movie freaking rocks.

836
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 4: I love it.

837
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:42,719
Speaker 2: It is great.

838
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 4: It's so great, a great visual gag. I mean good,

839
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:52,400
Speaker 4: so good. Good Anya. Creators of Airbud Heart Harvey Weinstein.

840
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:57,960
Speaker 2: Oh god, I hope he was never on set. This

841
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:00,920
Speaker 2: movie was directed by Charles Martin Smith.

842
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:05,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, who, Okay, you're you're being a hater because he's

843
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 3: a TV in films Charles Martin Smith. Of course, of

844
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:14,680
Speaker 3: course he's a he's I don't know, he's what. His

845
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:18,520
Speaker 3: biggest role was in American Graffiti, which I still haven't seen.

846
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:24,319
Speaker 3: But he has an actor turned director who I think

847
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 3: is fine. I always enjoy this career. Note where he

848
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:30,000
Speaker 3: directed Airbud is very successful. But then I think he

849
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 3: had that moment where he's like, wait a second, I'm

850
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:34,160
Speaker 3: an artist. I can't just direct Airbud movies. And so

851
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:37,239
Speaker 3: he does not return for Airbud movies and then ends

852
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 3: up directing a bunch of movies very much like Airbud anyways,

853
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:45,080
Speaker 3: tough business. He ends up directing Dolphin Tale and Dolphin

854
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:45,600
Speaker 3: Tale Too.

855
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:46,640
Speaker 5: Oh interesting.

856
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:49,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm sure he's rich as hell from Airbud, I hope.

857
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:51,040
Speaker 4: So so good good for him, I hope.

858
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 3: So he deserves it because he made.

859
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:55,680
Speaker 4: Something really special. He gave something special to the world.

860
00:44:57,719 --> 00:45:02,840
Speaker 2: Okay. So then one evening, as Josh is in the

861
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 2: school basement doing you know, basketball laundry, he sees an

862
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:11,280
Speaker 2: old Knicks jersey and a photo of a basketball player

863
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:13,840
Speaker 2: from back in the day, and he realizes these things

864
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:18,200
Speaker 2: belong to the janitor at the school, Arthur Cheney played

865
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:21,759
Speaker 2: by Bill Cobbs, and that he was a former basketball star.

866
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:27,000
Speaker 2: So Josh asks Arthur to sign his like collector card

867
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 2: that he has of Arthur, but he's like, no, that

868
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:33,719
Speaker 2: isn't me. That guy died a long time ago. But

869
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:39,040
Speaker 2: then later Josh sees him shooting hoops and Josh is like,

870
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:43,880
Speaker 2: wait a minute, that is Arthur Cheney. So that's that beat.

871
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:47,720
Speaker 5: Just a couple of things about Arthur Cheney. First, Bill Cobbs,

872
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:50,000
Speaker 5: you will recognize him if you see it. This man

873
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:52,840
Speaker 5: was in everything from like nineteen ninety two to probably

874
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:56,000
Speaker 5: two thousand and three. He was in everything. There's nothing

875
00:45:56,040 --> 00:45:59,720
Speaker 5: funnier to me than a Knick's legend keeping his nineteen

876
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:03,120
Speaker 5: fifty nixt jersey in his locker at school.

877
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:06,919
Speaker 3: That's where we keep just so he can deny it

878
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:07,880
Speaker 3: when confronted.

879
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:10,760
Speaker 5: It just be like, no, I never played for the Knicks.

880
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:13,000
Speaker 5: I just keep this here like that is so funny

881
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:13,160
Speaker 5: to do.

882
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:16,440
Speaker 4: I keep my jersey in a cupboard in a dirty

883
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:20,400
Speaker 4: basement of the middle school where I work as a janitor.

884
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:22,680
Speaker 5: In the boiler room of the middle school.

885
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 4: I guess, by the way, not to not to make

886
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:28,320
Speaker 4: things too dark, but how bad of a gambling problem

887
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 4: did Arthur Cheney have? Why did he go from NBA

888
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:34,320
Speaker 4: star to working As I know, the salaries are probably

889
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:36,239
Speaker 4: not as high in the fifties, but I mean he

890
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:38,400
Speaker 4: was a real star as we find out later not

891
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 4: to spoil anything.

892
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 3: He's like recognized on such like he's a legend.

893
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 5: Yeah.

894
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:46,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's so many conflicting tropes with Arthur Cheney that

895
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 3: it's like hard to really know where to begin because

896
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:51,680
Speaker 3: it's like there's a lot of tropes around I fel

897
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:54,040
Speaker 3: black actors that are put in there where he has

898
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:57,160
Speaker 3: this mystical quality that is completely unnecessary.

899
00:46:57,320 --> 00:47:00,160
Speaker 5: Yes, I was gonna say, like not to get too

900
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:02,800
Speaker 5: serious about a children's movie where a dog plays basketball,

901
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:05,520
Speaker 5: but they really don't play what they call the magical

902
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:07,840
Speaker 5: Negro trope. And like as soon as this man appears

903
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 5: on you screen, you know that's the role he's gonna play,

904
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:12,719
Speaker 5: because like the first scene you see him and he's

905
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:15,960
Speaker 5: kind of in shadow, but they're using a recognizable actress,

906
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:17,520
Speaker 5: so you know he's gonna have a bigger role in

907
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:19,720
Speaker 5: the movie, right. And of course, and like this trope

908
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:23,759
Speaker 5: is basically like a black character who will do anything

909
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:27,400
Speaker 5: to further the goals of the white protagonist and it

910
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:30,399
Speaker 5: was some sort of magical flavor. And in this case,

911
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 5: his magical skill is that he used to play for

912
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:35,279
Speaker 5: the Knicks. But of course he's kind of hiding that

913
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:38,279
Speaker 5: from Josh and all this other stuff. It's not as

914
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:40,359
Speaker 5: like pronounced as it is in other movies. Were like

915
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:43,680
Speaker 5: the legend of Bagger Vance. But usually this character is

916
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:47,279
Speaker 5: like a janitor or a caddie, or in the.

917
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 3: Case of Ghost, a psychic driving Miss Daisy as another

918
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:52,400
Speaker 3: like really famous example.

919
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:55,120
Speaker 5: Green Mile exactly, or or an inmate.

920
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:57,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, what was that shitty movie that came out recently,

921
00:47:58,080 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 3: Marshall Ellie won an oscar for it.

922
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:03,040
Speaker 5: But it's h oh Green Book, Yeah, where he's like

923
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:06,160
Speaker 5: Viggo Mortons's driver. Yeah, and he's like that too, and

924
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 5: where they'll sacrifice themselves for the greater good of the

925
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:13,480
Speaker 5: white protagonists or protagonists. And it's not that serious an Airbud,

926
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:16,359
Speaker 5: I mean in this case, it just deploys as he

927
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:19,400
Speaker 5: helps Airbud at the end. But like here you have

928
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:21,279
Speaker 5: this man who was like a Nix legend and now

929
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:24,359
Speaker 5: he's a janitor. He has all these incredible skills as

930
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:26,440
Speaker 5: like a coach and as a leader and as a person,

931
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:28,680
Speaker 5: and he uses it to like reunite a.

932
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:31,840
Speaker 4: Dog with a young boy.

933
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:34,720
Speaker 5: I mean, it's kind of like the classic magical Negro

934
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:37,560
Speaker 5: trope being deployed in this like children's movie, and it

935
00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:40,920
Speaker 5: like it's like, man, ten year olds are just eight

936
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:43,799
Speaker 5: to twelve year olds are being immediately introduced to this

937
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:46,080
Speaker 5: like ridiculous stereotype that we see in like lots of

938
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:48,080
Speaker 5: different movies, But the fact that you see it in

939
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:50,960
Speaker 5: a kid's movie is kind of disappointing. Although I do

940
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:51,759
Speaker 5: love that guy.

941
00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:55,880
Speaker 3: He's great, He's great. This is not the only I mean,

942
00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:57,799
Speaker 3: we've talked about this troupe many times in the show

943
00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:00,840
Speaker 3: over the years, but this is not the only children's

944
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:03,320
Speaker 3: basketball movie in which we have discussed this trope. And

945
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:06,480
Speaker 3: we also discussed it years ago in our episode on

946
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:10,879
Speaker 3: Full Court Miracle right that d com the Disney Channel

947
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:14,480
Speaker 3: original movie about the I think also a middle school

948
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:18,160
Speaker 3: basketball team that has I mean, I don't remember that

949
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:20,520
Speaker 3: many details about it because it's just a movie that

950
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:24,440
Speaker 3: leaves you at the moment it's over. But yeah, like

951
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:27,400
Speaker 3: this trope is like in all over kids media, it's wild.

952
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:30,160
Speaker 4: Yeah. There's also this angle with in this movie where

953
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:33,960
Speaker 4: when they first go into his boiler room secret office,

954
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:38,240
Speaker 4: they pan across all his stuff and it's like, oh,

955
00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:42,399
Speaker 4: you thought he was just a janitor, Well, I bet

956
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:46,080
Speaker 4: you didn't think he would have a chess set and

957
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:51,400
Speaker 4: a book about engineering, and it's like, oh, he's a janitor,

958
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:55,560
Speaker 4: but he's also a genius and then whoa, and you

959
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:58,960
Speaker 4: know in that moment when they're like, he's a janitor,

960
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:03,080
Speaker 4: but something else, something more. He also reads books, Like

961
00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:06,040
Speaker 4: I wrote down in my notes, you know, this man

962
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:08,960
Speaker 4: is the one who's going to deliver the line there's

963
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:11,440
Speaker 4: nothing in the rule book that says a dog can't

964
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:13,880
Speaker 4: play basketball because you know, he's read the rule book

965
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:15,520
Speaker 4: because he likes to play chess.

966
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:18,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, and he and it just and he, like I

967
00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:21,880
Speaker 5: was saying before, I mean, he's like the only one

968
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:26,560
Speaker 5: who can sort of magically mystically see Josh's potential and like,

969
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:30,359
Speaker 5: you know, it's just the way it's deployed to. He

970
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:35,080
Speaker 5: can use his powers to help Josh, but he himself remains.

971
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:36,800
Speaker 3: But he's not able to change his own life.

972
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:40,399
Speaker 4: Like yeah, right, And in case I'm not being clear, Yeah,

973
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:44,759
Speaker 4: janitors can play chess and know how to read. Yeah,

974
00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:48,680
Speaker 4: rights allowed. I don't know what brought Arthur Cheney from

975
00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:52,000
Speaker 4: the NBA to the basement of Greenfield Middle School or whatever.

976
00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:53,000
Speaker 4: The school is called.

977
00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:58,480
Speaker 5: Fernfield, where anything can happen, but real.

978
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:02,120
Speaker 4: People do all kinds of jobs and it's normal.

979
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:02,720
Speaker 2: Yeah.

980
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:08,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, So we get this like very common, hackneyed blend

981
00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:11,640
Speaker 3: of a racist trope with a classist trope by this

982
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:16,200
Speaker 3: great actor. And it's weird because I think, ultimately Arthur

983
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:19,680
Speaker 3: and Airbud and this is this can't be good end

984
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:22,640
Speaker 3: up filling a similar role in Josh's life where they

985
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:25,919
Speaker 3: help him realize his potential and they believe in him

986
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:28,160
Speaker 3: and care about him when it seems like no one

987
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:31,600
Speaker 3: else does. Arthur's a fascinating character to because I feel

988
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:35,160
Speaker 3: like there's so many there's so many opportunities to try

989
00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:37,440
Speaker 3: at least try things with this character, but he just

990
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:39,120
Speaker 3: disappears for long stretches.

991
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:43,440
Speaker 4: Also, you're telling me that an American public school has

992
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:46,200
Speaker 4: a former NBA player working as the janitor, and they

993
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:50,680
Speaker 4: choose to hire a random man to be the basketball.

994
00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:52,799
Speaker 5: Coach who ends up being physically abusive. I mean, that's

995
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:56,560
Speaker 5: why Arthur ends up becoming He does end up becoming

996
00:51:56,680 --> 00:51:59,520
Speaker 5: the coach of the boys middle school basketball team in

997
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:03,400
Speaker 5: fern Field, a suburb of Seattle. I guess because he

998
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:06,360
Speaker 5: does have a Sonics basketball mug rip to my Seattle

999
00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:10,960
Speaker 5: super Sonics and also that kids Stewart has a piece

1000
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:14,600
Speaker 5: of or he has Scottie Pippens orange peel, so they

1001
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:17,399
Speaker 5: are close enough to Seattle to go to Sonics games.

1002
00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:18,560
Speaker 3: And Dennis Rodman's gum.

1003
00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:23,720
Speaker 5: Yeah, he does eventually coach because Shawn Camp's garbage sorry

1004
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:27,120
Speaker 5: and Shawn Camps Apple Corp. He does eventually get get

1005
00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:30,080
Speaker 5: hired as the coach because the previous coach gets caught

1006
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:35,319
Speaker 5: physically abusing Stuart. He's like chucking basketball's at Stuart's head.

1007
00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:37,560
Speaker 5: And then even then the principal is like, well, we're

1008
00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:40,920
Speaker 5: thinking about letting Larry's dad do it because he volunteered,

1009
00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:44,839
Speaker 5: and Josh has to be like, I have a suggestion,

1010
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:48,480
Speaker 5: how about former Nick's legend Arthur Cheney.

1011
00:52:48,719 --> 00:52:51,520
Speaker 4: Maybe he could do it. I just think in no

1012
00:52:51,719 --> 00:52:54,160
Speaker 4: universe would Arthur not have already been the coach. I mean,

1013
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:55,320
Speaker 4: this is absurd.

1014
00:52:56,080 --> 00:52:59,319
Speaker 3: Yes, it's true. I mean, so let's let's get let's

1015
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:01,400
Speaker 3: get up there. Where do we leave off Kitlan?

1016
00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:01,680
Speaker 5: Oh?

1017
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:02,160
Speaker 4: Bye bye?

1018
00:53:02,239 --> 00:53:02,319
Speaker 5: Right?

1019
00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:05,800
Speaker 2: Okay, so I think we're at like it's Christmas morning

1020
00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:11,759
Speaker 2: and his mom lets Josh have buddy. So that conflict

1021
00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:14,279
Speaker 2: of he will never live in this house is.

1022
00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:18,000
Speaker 5: False conflict because Airbud won her over with the power

1023
00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:21,960
Speaker 5: of ball and because Airbud. Every night, Airbud sneaks into

1024
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:24,920
Speaker 5: the house by jumping up up a lattice into across

1025
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:26,960
Speaker 5: the roof and into Josh's bedroom. And one night he

1026
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:28,880
Speaker 5: goes to do it and nobody's home and Airbud's like,

1027
00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:32,640
Speaker 5: what the fuck? So Airbud finds the middle school. He

1028
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:35,080
Speaker 5: escapes and finds the middle school, and he goes to

1029
00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:37,160
Speaker 5: the basketball game disrupts the whole thing.

1030
00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:38,239
Speaker 4: It's hilarious, by the way.

1031
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:40,520
Speaker 3: I know this needs to happen for the for the

1032
00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:44,359
Speaker 3: plot to work, but Airbud is just like loose, like

1033
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:47,319
Speaker 3: he's just this dog has never seen a leash in

1034
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:48,120
Speaker 3: his life.

1035
00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:50,000
Speaker 5: I'm worried about Airbud.

1036
00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:51,600
Speaker 4: You don't know. I'm so worried.

1037
00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:53,759
Speaker 3: Why is she like, Okay, you could keep him and

1038
00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:56,000
Speaker 3: we don't really need to take care of him the

1039
00:53:56,040 --> 00:53:56,920
Speaker 3: way you'd expect.

1040
00:53:57,000 --> 00:53:59,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, I have a genuine question. There are several scenes,

1041
00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:03,560
Speaker 4: multiple scenes after the Christmas scene when Airbud has supposedly

1042
00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:06,520
Speaker 4: been brought into the family, where Airbud is like is

1043
00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:09,279
Speaker 4: locked out of the house and he's still climbing up

1044
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:12,560
Speaker 4: the trellis and sneaking through the window. Two questions. First

1045
00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:14,360
Speaker 4: of all, I'm sorry, it's Christmas time in the Pacific

1046
00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:16,640
Speaker 4: Northwest and the window is open.

1047
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:20,240
Speaker 5: And yeah, we would never do that. Yeah, and there's.

1048
00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:22,680
Speaker 4: Like people having a picnic outside on the ground but whatever.

1049
00:54:23,239 --> 00:54:23,680
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1050
00:54:23,719 --> 00:54:26,880
Speaker 4: But question number two is Airbu still not allowed to

1051
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:27,759
Speaker 4: live inside the house.

1052
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:29,479
Speaker 5: I think he's not allowed to go in the house.

1053
00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:31,239
Speaker 5: I think she's still like, yeah, we can keep the dog,

1054
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:33,200
Speaker 5: but he because at one point they do build him

1055
00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:35,960
Speaker 5: a doghouse and paint body on the doghouse, So I

1056
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:38,840
Speaker 5: think he's still technically supposed to live outside permanently.

1057
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:40,319
Speaker 4: That is deranged.

1058
00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:43,920
Speaker 5: It's evil, not nice. But he like breaks He breaks

1059
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:47,719
Speaker 5: up the middle school basketball game, causes a kerfuffle. It's hilarious,

1060
00:54:47,719 --> 00:54:50,719
Speaker 5: by the way, and I'm not I don't mean that ironically.

1061
00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:53,520
Speaker 5: I was laughing genuine real laughs.

1062
00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:56,600
Speaker 2: Again Jortle's slapstick comedy. It's great.

1063
00:54:56,760 --> 00:54:58,920
Speaker 5: And then that's when they realize he can ball. I

1064
00:54:59,239 --> 00:55:03,600
Speaker 5: think that Josh does the thing where he's making Airbud

1065
00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:06,040
Speaker 5: follow the ball and then they do like an alley oop.

1066
00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:09,480
Speaker 5: They hear the ball swish and the whole crowd goes, oh,

1067
00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:12,600
Speaker 5: why this dog and ball?

1068
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:17,600
Speaker 2: And before that, Josh he gets invited to try out

1069
00:55:17,640 --> 00:55:21,200
Speaker 2: for the basketball team again. But this makes him sad

1070
00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:23,640
Speaker 2: and he's like, I don't want to play, Buddy, you

1071
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:27,200
Speaker 2: can play, and then he like kind of nonchalantly tosses

1072
00:55:27,239 --> 00:55:29,520
Speaker 2: the ball to the side, and then Buddy shoots and

1073
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:34,600
Speaker 2: scores a basket. So Josh rediscovers that he can play basketball,

1074
00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:38,400
Speaker 2: or at least like shoot hoops. And so, with this

1075
00:55:38,520 --> 00:55:42,360
Speaker 2: renewed enthusiasm for basketball, Josh tries out for the team.

1076
00:55:42,520 --> 00:55:45,160
Speaker 2: He's suddenly very good at basketball, and he makes it.

1077
00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:45,640
Speaker 3: On the team.

1078
00:55:46,320 --> 00:55:48,840
Speaker 2: And then this is like the first game where Buddy

1079
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:51,840
Speaker 2: comes crashing in because he's just like, woof, woof, why

1080
00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:55,080
Speaker 2: not my best friend Josh home? And so he comes

1081
00:55:55,200 --> 00:55:58,520
Speaker 2: to the school and he sees Josh playing, so he

1082
00:55:58,640 --> 00:56:02,960
Speaker 2: runs out on the court, you know, reeks havoc. Everyone's

1083
00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:06,080
Speaker 2: falling down, everything is falling over, everything's getting knocked around,

1084
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:09,319
Speaker 2: and everyone's like, whoa, he should be the mascot and

1085
00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:12,320
Speaker 2: he should do that trick during the halftime show.

1086
00:56:12,520 --> 00:56:14,719
Speaker 5: It's a huge honor, you know, to get invited to

1087
00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:17,399
Speaker 5: be the halftime entertainment of the middle school basketball game.

1088
00:56:17,480 --> 00:56:20,240
Speaker 5: Because we find out later that they televised these things

1089
00:56:20,680 --> 00:56:22,960
Speaker 5: and they report the outcome on the front page of

1090
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:25,959
Speaker 5: the newspaper. So this is a big deal for Airbud Man.

1091
00:56:26,120 --> 00:56:29,520
Speaker 3: And also and also because I oh what this is

1092
00:56:29,560 --> 00:56:31,759
Speaker 3: like so kids movie and the best way the middle

1093
00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:33,440
Speaker 3: school basketball team is on the front page of the

1094
00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:38,359
Speaker 3: newspaper every single day. The moolves there's nothing going on

1095
00:56:38,520 --> 00:56:40,160
Speaker 3: in this town. I love it.

1096
00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:45,439
Speaker 4: Not that Missus from would know, because there's a subplot that, oh, yeah,

1097
00:56:45,560 --> 00:56:49,200
Speaker 4: that Buddy has been stealing and hiding her newspaper every

1098
00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:53,880
Speaker 4: day for a month because he's traumatized. He has PTSD

1099
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:57,400
Speaker 4: from the evil clown bapping them with a newspaper.

1100
00:56:57,520 --> 00:56:57,759
Speaker 3: I know.

1101
00:56:58,360 --> 00:57:00,359
Speaker 5: But that's why the mom is like, oh, he can

1102
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:03,480
Speaker 5: stay because he's so oh my god, you guys love

1103
00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:06,160
Speaker 5: each other due to basketball, just like you and your dad.

1104
00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:08,799
Speaker 5: And also that was a sweet trick, I think his

1105
00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:11,680
Speaker 5: mom thinks. And so then Josh gets to keep Buddy

1106
00:57:11,719 --> 00:57:15,080
Speaker 5: at Christmas and it's really genuinely very heartwarming. And then

1107
00:57:15,160 --> 00:57:18,960
Speaker 5: Josh makes air Bud a pair of sneakers, so a

1108
00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:21,720
Speaker 5: pair two pairs.

1109
00:57:21,720 --> 00:57:21,919
Speaker 2: True.

1110
00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:25,439
Speaker 3: I was thinking about things that because it is true

1111
00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:28,960
Speaker 3: that Missus frem is just completely severed from the world.

1112
00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:31,760
Speaker 3: She has no idea what's going on. She makes it

1113
00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:34,280
Speaker 3: sound like the newspaper is the only way she could

1114
00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:36,920
Speaker 3: learn news, even though I think they have a television.

1115
00:57:37,600 --> 00:57:40,439
Speaker 3: But no, I like to think that she like after

1116
00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:43,040
Speaker 3: the events of Airbud, like learns that Heaven's Gate happened,

1117
00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:47,360
Speaker 3: and she's like, oh my god, I had no idea

1118
00:57:47,640 --> 00:57:50,400
Speaker 3: my golden retriever Airbud has been taking all my newspapers.

1119
00:57:50,600 --> 00:57:53,160
Speaker 3: She learns about Princess die like, it's just a lot

1120
00:57:53,200 --> 00:57:54,439
Speaker 3: happened in nineteen ninety seven.

1121
00:57:54,600 --> 00:57:57,640
Speaker 4: Do you think that there is there are feminist implications

1122
00:57:57,880 --> 00:58:00,120
Speaker 4: to the fact that she works at a napkin.

1123
00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:03,520
Speaker 3: Okay I missed that.

1124
00:58:03,720 --> 00:58:06,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, she works in napkins. What she's like a

1125
00:58:07,040 --> 00:58:11,920
Speaker 2: napkin silk person. She runs a napkin factory, and that's

1126
00:58:11,920 --> 00:58:14,280
Speaker 2: why they moved to fern Field.

1127
00:58:14,720 --> 00:58:15,640
Speaker 3: She's a napkin girl.

1128
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:17,040
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1129
00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:21,280
Speaker 2: Not only that, she apparently has a second job, because

1130
00:58:21,320 --> 00:58:23,680
Speaker 2: she's on the phone with her mom and she's like, no, Mom,

1131
00:58:23,720 --> 00:58:26,920
Speaker 2: it's not called moonlighting. You're allowed to have two jobs.

1132
00:58:27,600 --> 00:58:29,200
Speaker 2: So I'm like, what is her second job?

1133
00:58:29,360 --> 00:58:29,600
Speaker 3: To me?

1134
00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:32,280
Speaker 5: That was the only evidence I could find of a

1135
00:58:32,360 --> 00:58:36,040
Speaker 5: Bechdel Test passing moment where she says to her mom,

1136
00:58:36,120 --> 00:58:38,240
Speaker 5: I have two jobs, and I was like, nailed it.

1137
00:58:38,600 --> 00:58:41,120
Speaker 2: And we never well, we never hear her mom speak.

1138
00:58:41,120 --> 00:58:41,880
Speaker 2: I don't think so.

1139
00:58:42,200 --> 00:58:45,880
Speaker 3: Oh, she could be like your father is righted.

1140
00:58:46,960 --> 00:58:50,120
Speaker 2: But I'm just guessing that they needed to give her

1141
00:58:50,160 --> 00:58:52,520
Speaker 2: a lot of jobs because they need a reason for

1142
00:58:52,600 --> 00:58:55,360
Speaker 2: her to never be home so that she doesn't notice

1143
00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:59,480
Speaker 2: her son is always playing basketball at a haunted church,

1144
00:59:00,160 --> 00:59:02,560
Speaker 2: Like I don't know what's going on there, but she

1145
00:59:02,600 --> 00:59:04,720
Speaker 2: has a three year old toddler at home. That's like,

1146
00:59:04,760 --> 00:59:06,680
Speaker 2: who is taking care of that child?

1147
00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:07,120
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1148
00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:09,480
Speaker 5: And no childcare that we see.

1149
00:59:10,040 --> 00:59:12,120
Speaker 3: And it's like, again, this could be in a movie

1150
00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:14,600
Speaker 3: that's not afraid to get serious. This could be an

1151
00:59:14,600 --> 00:59:18,200
Speaker 3: element that comes up. Is like, you know, Josh is

1152
00:59:18,320 --> 00:59:21,800
Speaker 3: kind of like a latchkey kid. He because his mom

1153
00:59:21,880 --> 00:59:24,760
Speaker 3: works so much. Where is his sister? Why bother giving

1154
00:59:24,840 --> 00:59:27,920
Speaker 3: him a sister if we're just gonna drop her halfway through?

1155
00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:31,200
Speaker 5: But because she doesn't even go to the games, No

1156
00:59:31,360 --> 00:59:32,080
Speaker 5: she's too young.

1157
00:59:32,160 --> 00:59:34,640
Speaker 3: No, No, that was when I noticed Andrea was gone.

1158
00:59:34,680 --> 00:59:36,919
Speaker 3: I was like, where the hell is this kid there?

1159
00:59:37,080 --> 00:59:39,720
Speaker 3: But but to his mom's credit. I mean, she doesn't

1160
00:59:39,720 --> 00:59:43,960
Speaker 3: miss a game. She is thereue usually with some like

1161
00:59:44,080 --> 00:59:47,400
Speaker 3: pretty great outfits too. She's coming straight from the napkin

1162
00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:49,160
Speaker 3: factory looking hot.

1163
00:59:49,520 --> 00:59:53,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, very very big business, you know, very sister's doing

1164
00:59:53,560 --> 00:59:55,240
Speaker 5: it for themselves. You know she looks great.

1165
00:59:55,360 --> 00:59:58,680
Speaker 3: Last statement hats napkin factory.

1166
00:59:58,760 --> 01:00:02,840
Speaker 2: Huh Yeah. Anyway, So to answer your question, Lindy, I

1167
01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:07,640
Speaker 2: think that is feminism. She works at an her napkin factory. Okay,

1168
01:00:07,640 --> 01:00:11,600
Speaker 2: this is one where we see coach Joe hurling basketballs

1169
01:00:11,640 --> 01:00:14,080
Speaker 2: at one of the players, this kid Stuart, who will

1170
01:00:14,080 --> 01:00:18,040
Speaker 2: eventually become Josh's best friend in the later sequels. So

1171
01:00:18,200 --> 01:00:22,000
Speaker 2: then Coach Joe gets fired off screen because the next

1172
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:23,840
Speaker 2: thing we know, the school is looking for a new coach.

1173
01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:26,560
Speaker 3: Okay, wait, so I know this is I know we

1174
01:00:26,640 --> 01:00:30,360
Speaker 3: keep it in tro but like the acting job that

1175
01:00:30,720 --> 01:00:34,640
Speaker 3: actress Nicola Cavendish is asked to do here as Principal

1176
01:00:34,680 --> 01:00:38,560
Speaker 3: Pepper Is, I stopped it and showed it to Grant

1177
01:00:38,640 --> 01:00:41,320
Speaker 3: because I was just I was blown away at how

1178
01:00:41,680 --> 01:00:45,600
Speaker 3: because she's doing again like the Disney Channel Adult character

1179
01:00:45,640 --> 01:00:49,440
Speaker 3: where she's like, oh my gosh, you have a dog

1180
01:00:49,600 --> 01:00:52,360
Speaker 3: and he's gotta come to the game, and then the

1181
01:00:52,400 --> 01:00:54,919
Speaker 3: next line out of her mouth, she's witnessing the coach,

1182
01:00:55,480 --> 01:00:58,360
Speaker 3: you know, doing this sort of like coded abusive behavior,

1183
01:00:58,360 --> 01:01:01,320
Speaker 3: but he's also whipping basketballs at a kid. And then

1184
01:01:01,800 --> 01:01:05,720
Speaker 3: her voice lowers an octave and she goes, that's enough, Joe,

1185
01:01:06,360 --> 01:01:07,600
Speaker 3: that's quite enough.

1186
01:01:07,840 --> 01:01:10,000
Speaker 4: And that's like, oh, like.

1187
01:01:09,920 --> 01:01:12,800
Speaker 5: She's seen him do it before, almost like or she's like,

1188
01:01:13,120 --> 01:01:17,080
Speaker 5: it's not necessarily surprising to her to see this coach

1189
01:01:17,160 --> 01:01:18,000
Speaker 5: behaving poorly.

1190
01:01:18,200 --> 01:01:19,600
Speaker 4: It was a very weird scene.

1191
01:01:19,680 --> 01:01:22,240
Speaker 3: I was surprised. I was happy at least that they

1192
01:01:22,280 --> 01:01:24,320
Speaker 3: do fire the coach, but it's like, yeah, they should

1193
01:01:24,360 --> 01:01:27,520
Speaker 3: have gone farther. Yeah, they should go to the weird

1194
01:01:27,560 --> 01:01:30,400
Speaker 3: court that we learned later is in this town. I

1195
01:01:30,480 --> 01:01:32,840
Speaker 3: love the court scene, my favorite.

1196
01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:36,520
Speaker 2: Scene from basketball court to judicial court.

1197
01:01:36,720 --> 01:01:39,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's so amazing because it's like at that point,

1198
01:01:39,680 --> 01:01:42,120
Speaker 3: you're like the movies should have just ended, but it's

1199
01:01:42,120 --> 01:01:43,040
Speaker 3: still happened.

1200
01:01:44,200 --> 01:01:47,920
Speaker 2: There's a whole other sequence. Anyways, Okay, I'm gonna try

1201
01:01:47,960 --> 01:01:51,520
Speaker 2: to speed through the rest of this. We so eventful,

1202
01:01:52,240 --> 01:01:55,919
Speaker 2: So much happens. Okay, So Arthur Cheney gets hired as

1203
01:01:55,960 --> 01:01:58,240
Speaker 2: the new coach, and he does a great job getting

1204
01:01:58,360 --> 01:02:01,720
Speaker 2: them to work together as a team. Then there's the

1205
01:02:01,800 --> 01:02:06,640
Speaker 2: next game where Buddy does his trick at the halftime show,

1206
01:02:07,320 --> 01:02:10,880
Speaker 2: and it's partly because Josh is so nice. He's not

1207
01:02:11,000 --> 01:02:14,240
Speaker 2: like that abuse of evil clown. He encourages Buddy because

1208
01:02:14,400 --> 01:02:18,440
Speaker 2: initially he has performance anxiety. Buddy does and he's like, no, no, no,

1209
01:02:18,480 --> 01:02:20,120
Speaker 2: you're such a good boy, you can do this, and

1210
01:02:20,120 --> 01:02:21,840
Speaker 2: he does the trick and everyone cheers.

1211
01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:22,640
Speaker 4: I loved that.

1212
01:02:22,760 --> 01:02:25,480
Speaker 3: I loved that Airbud was like they added that little

1213
01:02:25,720 --> 01:02:29,120
Speaker 3: beat for him because it's so and it's like it

1214
01:02:29,200 --> 01:02:32,320
Speaker 3: is all very ironic that like part of the part

1215
01:02:32,360 --> 01:02:33,720
Speaker 3: of the lesson in the movie is like, oh, we

1216
01:02:33,760 --> 01:02:36,200
Speaker 3: maybe shouldn't force this doctor perform, when in fact that

1217
01:02:36,360 --> 01:02:39,400
Speaker 3: is like why the movie exists, is forced to get

1218
01:02:39,400 --> 01:02:42,680
Speaker 3: doctor performed. But I like that Josh was like, of

1219
01:02:42,760 --> 01:02:44,960
Speaker 3: course Airbud would get nervous. Then when he's been in

1220
01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:47,680
Speaker 3: performance settings before, it had been like right before, he's

1221
01:02:47,720 --> 01:02:49,400
Speaker 3: going to be abused, traumatizing.

1222
01:02:49,680 --> 01:02:51,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, this guy that.

1223
01:02:51,040 --> 01:02:54,400
Speaker 2: Makes sense, but now he's a star truly. So then

1224
01:02:54,440 --> 01:02:57,480
Speaker 2: there's another game. There's a couple of seconds left, I

1225
01:02:57,520 --> 01:03:00,360
Speaker 2: think the team is one point down. Josh has ball.

1226
01:03:00,520 --> 01:03:03,160
Speaker 2: He tries to make a three pointer. He biffs it

1227
01:03:03,320 --> 01:03:06,200
Speaker 2: and they lose, So Josh is kind of beating himself

1228
01:03:06,280 --> 01:03:09,040
Speaker 2: up about it, but coach Arthur gives Josh a pep

1229
01:03:09,160 --> 01:03:13,400
Speaker 2: talk to play from the heart, and so the team

1230
01:03:13,520 --> 01:03:17,520
Speaker 2: starts playing really well. They qualify for finals against the

1231
01:03:17,680 --> 01:03:21,360
Speaker 2: opposing team that that bully kid Larry is now on

1232
01:03:21,680 --> 01:03:24,720
Speaker 2: because his like bully dad pulls him off the team

1233
01:03:24,760 --> 01:03:25,480
Speaker 2: and moves him to.

1234
01:03:25,680 --> 01:03:29,880
Speaker 5: Moves their whole family to Spokane, Washington. Yeah, which is

1235
01:03:30,040 --> 01:03:32,120
Speaker 5: in eastern Washington. You know this is taking place in

1236
01:03:32,160 --> 01:03:35,400
Speaker 5: western Washington because of the lush greenery. Eastern Washington's on

1237
01:03:35,400 --> 01:03:37,720
Speaker 5: the other side of the mountains. Entirely moves their whole

1238
01:03:37,840 --> 01:03:41,560
Speaker 5: family to Spokane so that Larry can play middle school

1239
01:03:41,680 --> 01:03:46,840
Speaker 5: basketball for the Warriors. That's wild Larry's dad. Yeah, that's

1240
01:03:46,920 --> 01:03:47,880
Speaker 5: really something.

1241
01:03:47,760 --> 01:03:50,600
Speaker 3: Level of pettiness here too. Four end seed.

1242
01:03:50,880 --> 01:03:55,080
Speaker 4: Spokane is really far away. It's far. It's not like

1243
01:03:55,360 --> 01:03:57,840
Speaker 4: they move to a different suburb of Seattle now, they

1244
01:03:57,960 --> 01:04:00,480
Speaker 4: moved to the far corner of the state. It's like

1245
01:04:00,800 --> 01:04:02,440
Speaker 4: at least a six hour drive.

1246
01:04:02,360 --> 01:04:06,000
Speaker 5: A mountain range to get away from air and Bud

1247
01:04:06,280 --> 01:04:10,040
Speaker 5: and Arthur Cheney and Josh Okay, it's like reverse Oregon

1248
01:04:10,160 --> 01:04:12,240
Speaker 5: trail to the opposite.

1249
01:04:11,760 --> 01:04:14,520
Speaker 4: Side of the state. It's almost Idaho like it is.

1250
01:04:14,880 --> 01:04:17,040
Speaker 4: You can go to your grocery shoping in Idaho if

1251
01:04:17,080 --> 01:04:18,360
Speaker 4: you live in SPOKEMP.

1252
01:04:18,440 --> 01:04:18,840
Speaker 5: It's true.

1253
01:04:19,320 --> 01:04:22,200
Speaker 3: It's like, I mean, not that this movie is has

1254
01:04:22,240 --> 01:04:24,040
Speaker 3: any interest in doing this with the bully character, but

1255
01:04:24,120 --> 01:04:27,080
Speaker 3: you're like, that's gotta be tough on Larry with a

1256
01:04:27,560 --> 01:04:30,200
Speaker 3: dad who's whose self worth is so tied up in

1257
01:04:30,320 --> 01:04:31,840
Speaker 3: your youth basketball career.

1258
01:04:32,080 --> 01:04:35,160
Speaker 5: Frankly explains everything you need to know about Larry and

1259
01:04:35,240 --> 01:04:38,240
Speaker 5: his behavior. I feel bad for the guys. Poor Larry,

1260
01:04:38,360 --> 01:04:39,439
Speaker 5: poor kid. Yeah.

1261
01:04:41,000 --> 01:04:46,440
Speaker 2: So then the clown whose name we finally learn is

1262
01:04:46,800 --> 01:04:51,280
Speaker 2: Norm's snively pretty good villain name. He gets wind of

1263
01:04:51,360 --> 01:04:56,080
Speaker 2: the fact that the team mascot of this middle school

1264
01:04:56,240 --> 01:04:59,080
Speaker 2: basketball team who can shoot hoops because there's like this

1265
01:04:59,200 --> 01:05:01,680
Speaker 2: whole news story about it.

1266
01:05:01,960 --> 01:05:04,160
Speaker 5: Yes, he finds out about it because the middle school

1267
01:05:04,200 --> 01:05:06,720
Speaker 5: basketball game is on is on TP.

1268
01:05:08,000 --> 01:05:10,880
Speaker 2: And he's like, wait a minute, that's my dog. So

1269
01:05:11,160 --> 01:05:15,440
Speaker 2: Norm goes to Josh's house and talks to his mom, Jackie,

1270
01:05:15,560 --> 01:05:18,680
Speaker 2: to be like, you have my dog. See here are

1271
01:05:18,800 --> 01:05:20,320
Speaker 2: his papers.

1272
01:05:20,200 --> 01:05:22,880
Speaker 4: And Jackie's in a vulnerable moment, she's feeling a little

1273
01:05:22,920 --> 01:05:24,919
Speaker 4: bit resentful of the dog because she has just found

1274
01:05:25,000 --> 01:05:26,800
Speaker 4: all of her buried newspapers in the yard.

1275
01:05:26,920 --> 01:05:29,040
Speaker 5: Yes that's right, Yes, which Airbud had buried due to

1276
01:05:29,320 --> 01:05:32,160
Speaker 5: newspaper based PTSD. Can I say a couple of things

1277
01:05:32,160 --> 01:05:35,880
Speaker 5: about the scene. First of all, norm is so menacing

1278
01:05:36,200 --> 01:05:39,680
Speaker 5: and he walks into her backyard, so he's like fully

1279
01:05:39,720 --> 01:05:41,920
Speaker 5: on her property. Scares her a little bit because she's

1280
01:05:42,000 --> 01:05:45,120
Speaker 5: like discovering the newspaper situation and doing some gardening and

1281
01:05:45,240 --> 01:05:48,480
Speaker 5: then holds up like a flyer of him and Airbud

1282
01:05:48,920 --> 01:05:51,400
Speaker 5: could be any golden retriever. This is not proof of anything,

1283
01:05:51,480 --> 01:05:53,720
Speaker 5: by the way. And then it's like, that's my dog.

1284
01:05:53,760 --> 01:05:55,600
Speaker 5: I have the papers to prove it. First of all,

1285
01:05:56,200 --> 01:05:58,800
Speaker 5: fake Eleana Douglas. You start with get the fuck off

1286
01:05:58,880 --> 01:06:01,479
Speaker 5: my property. I don't know who you are. I'm calling

1287
01:06:01,520 --> 01:06:06,520
Speaker 5: the police instead. She handswered the dog over. Is pretty

1288
01:06:06,520 --> 01:06:10,200
Speaker 5: wild to me immediately, no resistance whatsoever. And you know

1289
01:06:10,280 --> 01:06:12,960
Speaker 5: I know that as women were all taught to be compliant,

1290
01:06:13,040 --> 01:06:15,880
Speaker 5: but not me when it comes to Airbud. I'd be

1291
01:06:15,920 --> 01:06:18,320
Speaker 5: fighting back. And I also would like to say something else.

1292
01:06:18,360 --> 01:06:22,840
Speaker 5: I conferred with a lost dog expert, my husband who

1293
01:06:22,920 --> 01:06:25,720
Speaker 5: works at the Animal Shelterer here in the DC area,

1294
01:06:26,080 --> 01:06:28,600
Speaker 5: And I was like, this would never happen like this.

1295
01:06:28,760 --> 01:06:30,320
Speaker 5: The person would not just show up and be like,

1296
01:06:30,360 --> 01:06:32,760
Speaker 5: this is my dog. I have a single picture of it,

1297
01:06:33,600 --> 01:06:36,200
Speaker 5: and then when I try to get it to come

1298
01:06:36,240 --> 01:06:40,000
Speaker 5: to me, it growls and goes it bananas when.

1299
01:06:39,880 --> 01:06:40,400
Speaker 4: It sees me.

1300
01:06:40,840 --> 01:06:43,120
Speaker 5: And he was like, no, you'd be asking, this is

1301
01:06:43,160 --> 01:06:44,080
Speaker 5: what my expert said.

1302
01:06:45,000 --> 01:06:47,640
Speaker 4: He said, you'd have to. I mean, there's like no due.

1303
01:06:47,560 --> 01:06:52,280
Speaker 5: Process going on here. Hello, Okay, so you'd be asking like, Norm,

1304
01:06:52,640 --> 01:06:55,440
Speaker 5: what have you done? Can you show me lost reports?

1305
01:06:55,520 --> 01:06:58,600
Speaker 5: Did you report the dog loss to local animal shelters?

1306
01:06:58,720 --> 01:07:00,400
Speaker 5: Is the dog microchip? I don't know what the coorschip

1307
01:07:00,440 --> 01:07:02,360
Speaker 5: situation was in nineteen ninety seven, so we can let

1308
01:07:02,400 --> 01:07:04,720
Speaker 5: that one go. But do you have photos of you

1309
01:07:04,920 --> 01:07:07,600
Speaker 5: and this dog? And he does won and it's Airbud

1310
01:07:07,680 --> 01:07:12,440
Speaker 5: in a clown costume. Again, that could be any golden retriever. Okay,

1311
01:07:13,640 --> 01:07:18,800
Speaker 5: you'd really need to show some evidence that not only

1312
01:07:18,920 --> 01:07:20,439
Speaker 5: is it your dog, with that you had gone through

1313
01:07:20,480 --> 01:07:24,280
Speaker 5: some sort of process to find your lost dog, which

1314
01:07:24,320 --> 01:07:26,560
Speaker 5: Norm has not done until he thinks he can make

1315
01:07:26,600 --> 01:07:29,360
Speaker 5: a buck off of it. Meanwhile, again, I would refer

1316
01:07:29,960 --> 01:07:33,080
Speaker 5: the court to earlier in the movie when Josh is

1317
01:07:33,240 --> 01:07:37,040
Speaker 5: doing his due diligence. He's hanging up the found dog posters. Okay, now, sure,

1318
01:07:37,120 --> 01:07:39,479
Speaker 5: did Airbud tear him down? Yes, but that's not on Josh.

1319
01:07:39,920 --> 01:07:40,720
Speaker 4: He did his part.

1320
01:07:40,800 --> 01:07:43,560
Speaker 5: He tried to find this dog's owner. If anything, now

1321
01:07:43,600 --> 01:07:44,320
Speaker 5: it's been months.

1322
01:07:44,480 --> 01:07:48,200
Speaker 4: If anything, Airbud tearing the flyers down is more evidence

1323
01:07:48,640 --> 01:07:51,080
Speaker 4: that he does that. He should not go with the clown. Yeah,

1324
01:07:51,120 --> 01:07:52,200
Speaker 4: and he should stay with Josh.

1325
01:07:52,360 --> 01:07:54,280
Speaker 5: I mean he doesn't even he doesn't have any witnesses

1326
01:07:54,360 --> 01:07:56,360
Speaker 5: like Norm doesn't have any witnesses that saw him with

1327
01:07:56,520 --> 01:07:59,000
Speaker 5: this dog. Like he just doesn't do anything except show

1328
01:07:59,120 --> 01:08:02,960
Speaker 5: up menaces woman and wave a piece of paper in

1329
01:08:03,000 --> 01:08:05,479
Speaker 5: her face and then take the dog. It never would

1330
01:08:05,480 --> 01:08:08,160
Speaker 5: happen this way. I just want the audience to understand.

1331
01:08:08,160 --> 01:08:13,520
Speaker 3: Another very very disappointing thing from Miss Jackie fram letting

1332
01:08:13,560 --> 01:08:15,840
Speaker 3: down the family yet again. She's mad that she doesn't

1333
01:08:15,880 --> 01:08:19,519
Speaker 3: know about Heaven's Gate. Well, guess what, like borrow a

1334
01:08:19,600 --> 01:08:21,840
Speaker 3: paper at the napkin factory, turn on the.

1335
01:08:21,880 --> 01:08:23,120
Speaker 4: News, go to the library.

1336
01:08:23,280 --> 01:08:25,480
Speaker 5: Jackie, Come on, man, literally.

1337
01:08:25,240 --> 01:08:28,720
Speaker 3: This dog is raising your child for you. Could you

1338
01:08:28,840 --> 01:08:31,200
Speaker 3: find an ounce of effort to fight for him?

1339
01:08:31,479 --> 01:08:34,040
Speaker 5: Can I say something else, like, what is the plan here? Norm?

1340
01:08:34,400 --> 01:08:37,879
Speaker 5: As if Airbud is gonna do basketball for you, you're

1341
01:08:38,000 --> 01:08:45,840
Speaker 5: such an asshole to him. Airbud has autonomy. We've seen it, Okay,

1342
01:08:46,080 --> 01:08:48,200
Speaker 5: So the whole thing's driving me nuts. I'm like, there's

1343
01:08:48,320 --> 01:08:52,160
Speaker 5: no way that not only is Airbud gonna willingly go

1344
01:08:52,320 --> 01:08:55,160
Speaker 5: with Norm, but that he's gonna do basketball for this

1345
01:08:55,320 --> 01:08:58,320
Speaker 5: man in commercial antics game.

1346
01:08:58,439 --> 01:08:59,719
Speaker 4: Please give me a break.

1347
01:08:59,720 --> 01:09:02,559
Speaker 2: Next time we see him. Because what happens is Norm

1348
01:09:02,640 --> 01:09:06,360
Speaker 2: takes Buddy, yeah, and Josh is devastated. So Josh goes

1349
01:09:06,479 --> 01:09:10,200
Speaker 2: to Norm Sniveley's house where he's keeping Buddy chained up

1350
01:09:10,240 --> 01:09:12,800
Speaker 2: in the mud next to a stack of Budweiser cam

1351
01:09:13,000 --> 01:09:16,720
Speaker 2: Very Wizard of Oz five's here, and Norm is on

1352
01:09:16,800 --> 01:09:20,519
Speaker 2: the phone being like, we can't shoot that commercial on April.

1353
01:09:20,640 --> 01:09:22,599
Speaker 2: We're going on tour, and it's like, how.

1354
01:09:22,560 --> 01:09:24,960
Speaker 5: Did you How did you book a tour already? Did

1355
01:09:25,000 --> 01:09:27,040
Speaker 5: you get a dog agent all of a sudden?

1356
01:09:27,280 --> 01:09:30,920
Speaker 3: Well, and also just I mean whatever, like these movies

1357
01:09:31,000 --> 01:09:34,400
Speaker 3: are always contradictory, but like again, just having Norm Snivey

1358
01:09:34,479 --> 01:09:39,160
Speaker 3: do essentially what Buddy's trainer is doing, you know, be like, oh,

1359
01:09:39,280 --> 01:09:41,559
Speaker 3: let's get this dog to work in the entertainment industry,

1360
01:09:41,560 --> 01:09:43,840
Speaker 3: which is presented as the act of a sicico in

1361
01:09:43,880 --> 01:09:47,559
Speaker 3: this movie, when again, we wouldn't be watching the movie

1362
01:09:47,800 --> 01:09:50,120
Speaker 3: if someone had not done that. And we'll talk about

1363
01:09:50,320 --> 01:09:52,720
Speaker 3: his trader too, because there's a lot of lore that

1364
01:09:52,880 --> 01:09:53,639
Speaker 3: going on there as well.

1365
01:09:53,720 --> 01:09:57,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's there's actually this part where what Josh misses

1366
01:09:57,360 --> 01:09:58,840
Speaker 4: his three pointer and then he gets a pep talk

1367
01:09:58,880 --> 01:10:00,880
Speaker 4: from the coach where the co which is like, look

1368
01:10:00,920 --> 01:10:04,200
Speaker 4: at Buddy, he doesn't care about his point average, which

1369
01:10:04,240 --> 01:10:06,519
Speaker 4: by the way, is one hundred percent from the field.

1370
01:10:07,280 --> 01:10:10,840
Speaker 5: Buddy does not miss one single shot. I'm sorry, but

1371
01:10:10,960 --> 01:10:13,040
Speaker 5: you don't know that about him. You don't know that

1372
01:10:13,280 --> 01:10:13,840
Speaker 5: about him.

1373
01:10:14,360 --> 01:10:17,080
Speaker 4: But he's like, this dog doesn't care about being MVP.

1374
01:10:17,600 --> 01:10:20,160
Speaker 4: He's doing it for the love of the game. Like, no,

1375
01:10:20,400 --> 01:10:22,599
Speaker 4: he is not. He's doing it because you guys are

1376
01:10:22,680 --> 01:10:23,760
Speaker 4: making him do it.

1377
01:10:24,320 --> 01:10:29,360
Speaker 3: It's the only way that he receives love from people. Right, Yeah,

1378
01:10:30,120 --> 01:10:32,640
Speaker 3: it's sad, it's so complicated.

1379
01:10:33,320 --> 01:10:39,880
Speaker 2: Yeah. Anyway, so Josh rescues Buddy from Norm. They run off.

1380
01:10:40,280 --> 01:10:42,920
Speaker 2: Norm is chasing them in his clown truck which is

1381
01:10:43,000 --> 01:10:46,400
Speaker 2: actively falling apart. The breaks, the steering wheel, all this

1382
01:10:46,439 --> 01:10:48,040
Speaker 2: stuff are falling off back.

1383
01:10:48,120 --> 01:10:50,519
Speaker 3: When we were a proper country and we invested in

1384
01:10:50,600 --> 01:10:52,800
Speaker 3: a proper car chase in the middle of a movie

1385
01:10:52,840 --> 01:10:55,479
Speaker 3: that does not require it. Yes, beautiful, loved it.

1386
01:10:55,760 --> 01:10:58,960
Speaker 2: Yes, And then Norm drives his truck into a lake

1387
01:10:59,200 --> 01:11:01,439
Speaker 2: because the steering wheel and brakes are gone.

1388
01:11:01,680 --> 01:11:04,320
Speaker 3: Fly off one third of the movie's budget, right there,

1389
01:11:04,479 --> 01:11:05,080
Speaker 3: no reason.

1390
01:11:05,800 --> 01:11:06,000
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1391
01:11:07,320 --> 01:11:11,639
Speaker 2: Josh realizes that if he brings Buddy home, Norm will

1392
01:11:11,800 --> 01:11:15,240
Speaker 2: just come back and take him again, so he has

1393
01:11:15,360 --> 01:11:19,040
Speaker 2: to like set him free. He does the whole like, go.

1394
01:11:19,200 --> 01:11:21,040
Speaker 4: On, get it. I don't watch anymore.

1395
01:11:21,120 --> 01:11:22,040
Speaker 5: Doesn't you understand?

1396
01:11:22,320 --> 01:11:24,559
Speaker 3: What's that movie with the Sasquatch.

1397
01:11:24,160 --> 01:11:27,400
Speaker 4: Harry and the Henderson's Okay, hey, Harry and the Henderson's buddy,

1398
01:11:27,840 --> 01:11:31,519
Speaker 4: so much harder than you need to. I this was

1399
01:11:31,640 --> 01:11:32,800
Speaker 4: actually unbearable to watch.

1400
01:11:32,960 --> 01:11:33,360
Speaker 5: I couldn't.

1401
01:11:33,400 --> 01:11:35,920
Speaker 4: With my own baby boy curled up like a doughnut

1402
01:11:36,000 --> 01:11:38,519
Speaker 4: in his bed next to me, I was like, I can't,

1403
01:11:38,920 --> 01:11:43,879
Speaker 4: and I was screaming at Josh talk to one adult,

1404
01:11:44,120 --> 01:11:49,559
Speaker 4: because please, the evil clown has just committed attempted vehicular.

1405
01:11:49,920 --> 01:11:56,080
Speaker 5: Manslaughter, dogslaughter, daughter slaughter, yes, if not first degree homicide.

1406
01:11:56,880 --> 01:12:01,280
Speaker 4: And this man is not getting the dog back. It's

1407
01:12:01,360 --> 01:12:02,200
Speaker 4: just so Harriet.

1408
01:12:02,760 --> 01:12:04,960
Speaker 5: It's the most Harry and the Henderson's I've ever seen.

1409
01:12:05,000 --> 01:12:09,200
Speaker 5: It's so terrible, and the greatest devastation of all is

1410
01:12:09,280 --> 01:12:15,719
Speaker 5: that Josh violates airbuds trust. He uses the basketball for evil.

1411
01:12:15,760 --> 01:12:18,240
Speaker 5: He's like trying to get air butt. He like hires

1412
01:12:18,320 --> 01:12:20,719
Speaker 5: the water taxi to take him to some random islands

1413
01:12:20,840 --> 01:12:24,040
Speaker 5: where he leaves Buddy on an island. Yeah, and he's like,

1414
01:12:24,320 --> 01:12:26,719
Speaker 5: go away. Don't you understand I don't want you anymore.

1415
01:12:26,720 --> 01:12:29,080
Speaker 5: He's like trying to get him to like, somehow, you

1416
01:12:29,680 --> 01:12:31,400
Speaker 5: roughing it in the woods for the rest of your

1417
01:12:31,479 --> 01:12:34,400
Speaker 5: life is better than just us figuring out between human

1418
01:12:34,479 --> 01:12:35,760
Speaker 5: beings where the dogs should live.

1419
01:12:35,880 --> 01:12:39,040
Speaker 4: Controversial opinion. The dogs better off living with the clown

1420
01:12:39,479 --> 01:12:42,560
Speaker 4: that he himself on an island.

1421
01:12:42,400 --> 01:12:45,439
Speaker 5: And western there are bears. Okay, dude, what the hell?

1422
01:12:45,800 --> 01:12:48,280
Speaker 5: So anyway, so then Josh cannot get Buddy to leave

1423
01:12:48,360 --> 01:12:51,839
Speaker 5: him alone because they're best friends. Josh, so he chucks

1424
01:12:51,920 --> 01:12:54,040
Speaker 5: the basketball into the woods to get Buddy to go

1425
01:12:54,160 --> 01:12:55,800
Speaker 5: chase it. And I was like, oh, hell, oh, that

1426
01:12:55,960 --> 01:12:58,200
Speaker 5: is unforgivable. You demon child.

1427
01:12:58,560 --> 01:13:00,600
Speaker 3: This is like, if this dog gets the water and

1428
01:13:00,680 --> 01:13:04,240
Speaker 3: starts paddling, I'm gonna fucking lose it. And sure he

1429
01:13:04,360 --> 01:13:07,200
Speaker 3: gets in the water. And I was sobbing.

1430
01:13:07,560 --> 01:13:09,200
Speaker 5: I was so annoyed just watching this because I was like,

1431
01:13:09,240 --> 01:13:11,360
Speaker 5: you think, getting the water, Taxi's gonna stop a Golden

1432
01:13:11,479 --> 01:13:14,000
Speaker 5: Retriever from swimming after you.

1433
01:13:14,439 --> 01:13:16,760
Speaker 4: And of course the air Bud jumps into the water

1434
01:13:16,800 --> 01:13:20,120
Speaker 4: and is like, Josh, come back. The dog playing basketball.

1435
01:13:20,479 --> 01:13:24,760
Speaker 4: I could believe the Golden Retriever not swimming all the

1436
01:13:24,800 --> 01:13:32,280
Speaker 4: way across whatever, uh, channel Ford this to chase the boil.

1437
01:13:32,760 --> 01:13:36,960
Speaker 4: No chance that dog believable. The dog would not, like

1438
01:13:37,200 --> 01:13:40,200
Speaker 4: Buddy gives up swimming after one point five seconds and

1439
01:13:40,320 --> 01:13:43,320
Speaker 4: it's like, no, not not the Golden Retrievers that I know.

1440
01:13:43,640 --> 01:13:45,040
Speaker 5: I don't think so, honey, I don't think so.

1441
01:13:45,439 --> 01:13:48,000
Speaker 4: I don't think so. He would. That dog would swim

1442
01:13:48,040 --> 01:13:49,439
Speaker 4: all the way back to Josh's house.

1443
01:13:49,439 --> 01:13:52,080
Speaker 5: I'm just saying, Fernfield, where everything is possible.

1444
01:13:52,160 --> 01:13:57,080
Speaker 3: No one treats Buddy, right, Everyone like Buddy, he's just

1445
01:13:57,160 --> 01:13:59,280
Speaker 3: been through it. Everyone leaves everyone leaves him.

1446
01:13:59,520 --> 01:14:03,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's so sad, it's so unnecessary. Yeah, and I

1447
01:14:03,360 --> 01:14:06,800
Speaker 4: hate that thing. Where a child in a movie will

1448
01:14:07,000 --> 01:14:11,000
Speaker 4: just go rogue and think that he knows best. Talk

1449
01:14:11,200 --> 01:14:15,439
Speaker 4: to a lawyer before you abandon your dog on an island.

1450
01:14:16,280 --> 01:14:20,280
Speaker 3: I would say, in Josh's defense, look at whose behavior

1451
01:14:20,360 --> 01:14:23,040
Speaker 3: is being modeled at home. The clown could print out

1452
01:14:23,080 --> 01:14:25,360
Speaker 3: on a laser jet, I'm allowed to hit this dog

1453
01:14:25,439 --> 01:14:27,519
Speaker 3: with a car, And she'd be like, sorry, Josh, there's

1454
01:14:27,600 --> 01:14:30,080
Speaker 3: nothing I can do. I guess there's nothing that can

1455
01:14:30,160 --> 01:14:30,519
Speaker 3: be done.

1456
01:14:30,640 --> 01:14:32,920
Speaker 5: The laws a lot, Josh, I know, sir.

1457
01:14:33,080 --> 01:14:36,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll talk more about his mom. But after Josh

1458
01:14:37,240 --> 01:14:40,959
Speaker 2: abandons Buddy on an island, we cut to the finals

1459
01:14:41,040 --> 01:14:45,560
Speaker 2: basketball game. It's Josh's team versus the other team that

1460
01:14:45,640 --> 01:14:48,160
Speaker 2: that little shit Larry's Warriors.

1461
01:14:48,479 --> 01:14:50,000
Speaker 4: Warriors, yeah yeah.

1462
01:14:50,400 --> 01:14:53,600
Speaker 2: And Josh's team is losing pretty bad. Two players on

1463
01:14:53,640 --> 01:14:55,840
Speaker 2: Josh's team are injured, another one gets a foul and

1464
01:14:55,960 --> 01:14:57,519
Speaker 2: has to sit out, and then the rest of the

1465
01:14:57,560 --> 01:14:59,880
Speaker 2: team is out with chicken pox that we learn in

1466
01:15:00,280 --> 01:15:01,280
Speaker 2: throwaway line.

1467
01:15:01,120 --> 01:15:03,080
Speaker 3: Of dialogue ax chicken pocks.

1468
01:15:03,360 --> 01:15:06,360
Speaker 2: Yes, of course, so now they only have four players.

1469
01:15:07,000 --> 01:15:10,559
Speaker 2: But just then Buddy shows up. Does anyone see where

1470
01:15:10,600 --> 01:15:16,120
Speaker 2: this is going? They put Buddy in uniform to play

1471
01:15:16,160 --> 01:15:19,160
Speaker 2: in the game and the refs and the opposing team

1472
01:15:19,720 --> 01:15:23,479
Speaker 2: are like, what the heck dogs can't play basketball, And

1473
01:15:23,560 --> 01:15:26,680
Speaker 2: then coach Arthur is like, check the rule book. You

1474
01:15:26,760 --> 01:15:30,040
Speaker 2: won't find anything that says a dog can't play And

1475
01:15:30,120 --> 01:15:32,800
Speaker 2: then the ref is like, he's right, there's nothing in

1476
01:15:32,880 --> 01:15:35,320
Speaker 2: the rule book that says a dog can't play basketball.

1477
01:15:35,920 --> 01:15:40,200
Speaker 2: So Buddy starts playing in the game, and he's just

1478
01:15:40,360 --> 01:15:43,360
Speaker 2: what the team needed, because they make a huge comeback,

1479
01:15:44,000 --> 01:15:46,280
Speaker 2: and Buddy nearly ties the game with a couple of

1480
01:15:46,320 --> 01:15:49,200
Speaker 2: foul shots, and then Josh has the ball with a

1481
01:15:49,280 --> 01:15:51,280
Speaker 2: few seconds left in the game. It's sort of like

1482
01:15:51,360 --> 01:15:54,120
Speaker 2: a mirror from what we saw earlier, and he takes

1483
01:15:54,240 --> 01:15:57,519
Speaker 2: the shot and this time he makes the three pointer

1484
01:15:57,680 --> 01:16:00,360
Speaker 2: and they win the game. But that it's not the

1485
01:16:00,439 --> 01:16:01,240
Speaker 2: end of the movie.

1486
01:16:01,760 --> 01:16:04,679
Speaker 5: So it's not just really quickly. The whole that final

1487
01:16:04,760 --> 01:16:08,640
Speaker 5: basketball game is so funny. The other team is so

1488
01:16:08,880 --> 01:16:11,639
Speaker 5: despondent that this they're just getting. This dog is running

1489
01:16:11,720 --> 01:16:14,439
Speaker 5: wild on their asses like Airbud is everywhere. He's a

1490
01:16:14,479 --> 01:16:17,160
Speaker 5: real threat in the paint. He's a threat from outside

1491
01:16:17,320 --> 01:16:19,680
Speaker 5: like he has. He's been playing for two minutes and

1492
01:16:19,720 --> 01:16:22,720
Speaker 5: already has three assists. He's a he's a menace on

1493
01:16:22,800 --> 01:16:26,200
Speaker 5: the court, okay, and the other coach is just yelling,

1494
01:16:26,560 --> 01:16:33,559
Speaker 5: will someone guard that dog? Guard that dog? So funny,

1495
01:16:33,600 --> 01:16:36,599
Speaker 5: and my husband was just like, dee up, Larry, deep up,

1496
01:16:37,520 --> 01:16:40,720
Speaker 5: and then fucking Larry fouls Airbud and what might be

1497
01:16:40,960 --> 01:16:43,439
Speaker 5: like the saddest thing saddest fouel I ever.

1498
01:16:44,680 --> 01:16:47,640
Speaker 3: I was shocked that they were willing to have a

1499
01:16:47,760 --> 01:16:49,040
Speaker 3: child foul Airport.

1500
01:16:49,360 --> 01:16:50,400
Speaker 4: So it was so nuts.

1501
01:16:50,960 --> 01:16:52,800
Speaker 5: And then yeah, but then they win, and it's very

1502
01:16:52,840 --> 01:16:54,920
Speaker 5: funny at the end because Larry walks off like sort

1503
01:16:54,960 --> 01:16:58,400
Speaker 5: of comically hunched over, like a like if you were

1504
01:16:58,560 --> 01:17:00,800
Speaker 5: just taking improv and learn that that's what you should

1505
01:17:00,840 --> 01:17:04,040
Speaker 5: look like when you're sad like sort of like Michael

1506
01:17:04,080 --> 01:17:07,120
Speaker 5: Sarah and walking home and rest of the development when

1507
01:17:07,120 --> 01:17:09,200
Speaker 5: they play Christmas Time is here, my husband and I

1508
01:17:09,320 --> 01:17:10,920
Speaker 5: call that when people are sad like that, we call

1509
01:17:10,960 --> 01:17:14,479
Speaker 5: it Christmas Time because that's the song they play. What

1510
01:17:14,640 --> 01:17:18,080
Speaker 5: George Michael is like walking home. So Larry's just like

1511
01:17:18,400 --> 01:17:21,600
Speaker 5: despondently haunched over leaving the court. But that's what you

1512
01:17:21,680 --> 01:17:23,519
Speaker 5: get from moving your whole family to Spokane.

1513
01:17:23,560 --> 01:17:24,280
Speaker 3: I guess you know.

1514
01:17:24,400 --> 01:17:26,960
Speaker 4: I'd like to say that Airbud not only has basketball skills,

1515
01:17:27,160 --> 01:17:31,040
Speaker 4: he also has basketball IQ. He uses his mind and

1516
01:17:31,160 --> 01:17:36,760
Speaker 4: he uses his dog wiles to help win the game.

1517
01:17:36,960 --> 01:17:40,000
Speaker 4: Like there's a part in the game when Airbud has

1518
01:17:40,040 --> 01:17:43,880
Speaker 4: to do a jump ball and Airbud is standing at

1519
01:17:43,960 --> 01:17:47,439
Speaker 4: two foot six. A jump ball is where there's a

1520
01:17:47,600 --> 01:17:49,920
Speaker 4: contested ball, and so the ref throws the ball in

1521
01:17:49,960 --> 01:17:53,080
Speaker 4: the air and two players. If you're not a basketball head,

1522
01:17:53,640 --> 01:17:56,080
Speaker 4: there's no way Airbud's winning this jump ball. But then

1523
01:17:56,520 --> 01:18:03,040
Speaker 4: the moment of truth, Airbud goes and then the opposed

1524
01:18:03,120 --> 01:18:06,879
Speaker 4: player is like what, he's so startled. He's startled.

1525
01:18:07,160 --> 01:18:11,400
Speaker 3: He played five D chess. He's a great player. I

1526
01:18:12,080 --> 01:18:16,320
Speaker 3: love that sequence so much. They like they directed the

1527
01:18:16,360 --> 01:18:19,799
Speaker 3: hell out of it. Airbud is a star. It's funny

1528
01:18:20,080 --> 01:18:24,439
Speaker 3: he's playing. He Larry fouling him really took me out.

1529
01:18:24,840 --> 01:18:25,560
Speaker 5: I was not.

1530
01:18:26,640 --> 01:18:29,439
Speaker 3: I was like this this and then he still lost

1531
01:18:29,520 --> 01:18:34,000
Speaker 3: the love and respect of his father. Anyways, Like Airbud's

1532
01:18:34,000 --> 01:18:35,600
Speaker 3: out there and his little sneakers like each it.

1533
01:18:35,840 --> 01:18:36,400
Speaker 4: Larry and.

1534
01:18:38,200 --> 01:18:41,160
Speaker 3: You assaulted and then got dunked on by a dog,

1535
01:18:41,520 --> 01:18:43,760
Speaker 3: Like Larry is never going to recover from this.

1536
01:18:44,040 --> 01:18:46,920
Speaker 4: Well, and the dog also gets rams Larry right in

1537
01:18:47,000 --> 01:18:47,599
Speaker 4: his nuts too.

1538
01:18:48,000 --> 01:18:50,759
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, true, in what should have been a foul,

1539
01:18:50,960 --> 01:18:53,280
Speaker 2: but Airbud does not get fouled at all.

1540
01:18:53,439 --> 01:18:56,759
Speaker 3: There's no rule that says a dog can't ram into

1541
01:18:57,000 --> 01:18:58,719
Speaker 3: a fellow players private.

1542
01:18:59,320 --> 01:19:01,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, you should have been a flagrant. Should have been

1543
01:19:01,080 --> 01:19:01,599
Speaker 5: a technical.

1544
01:19:02,600 --> 01:19:06,479
Speaker 4: Also, when the when they were first checking the rule

1545
01:19:06,520 --> 01:19:09,639
Speaker 4: book and they decided that that the dog could play,

1546
01:19:10,080 --> 01:19:13,599
Speaker 4: that Buddy could play, my husband goes, well, there's probably

1547
01:19:13,640 --> 01:19:15,679
Speaker 4: a rule that you're not allowed to have your dick out.

1548
01:19:18,439 --> 01:19:21,400
Speaker 4: You have to wear bottoms. But it's not wearing bottom.

1549
01:19:21,560 --> 01:19:22,719
Speaker 3: No, he's loose.

1550
01:19:22,960 --> 01:19:24,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's Donald ducking in just tops.

1551
01:19:25,040 --> 01:19:27,280
Speaker 3: What a great film. So this is this is the

1552
01:19:27,880 --> 01:19:30,479
Speaker 3: ex So the movie is not quite over. It seems

1553
01:19:30,520 --> 01:19:33,560
Speaker 3: like the movie's about to be over. But yeah, the

1554
01:19:33,680 --> 01:19:38,280
Speaker 3: movies like buckle it because there's ten unpredictable minutes coming up.

1555
01:19:38,600 --> 01:19:42,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, because Norm the clown has shown up to the

1556
01:19:42,240 --> 01:19:47,960
Speaker 2: game demanding Buddy back. But his papers claiming Buddy is

1557
01:19:48,040 --> 01:19:51,760
Speaker 2: his property are all soggy from when he fell in

1558
01:19:51,920 --> 01:19:53,160
Speaker 2: the mud and the lake.

1559
01:19:53,760 --> 01:19:55,680
Speaker 4: By the way, whichever one of you it was that

1560
01:19:55,800 --> 01:19:58,360
Speaker 4: said that that car chase serve no purpose. That's may

1561
01:19:58,439 --> 01:20:03,519
Speaker 4: I direct your attention true the ziplock of soggy dog papers.

1562
01:20:04,040 --> 01:20:07,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, planting pad which before, of course before they were soggy,

1563
01:20:07,640 --> 01:20:09,080
Speaker 3: would have definitely solved it.

1564
01:20:09,800 --> 01:20:11,120
Speaker 5: It's not a DNA tesk.

1565
01:20:11,240 --> 01:20:14,040
Speaker 2: Come on, man, I don't know what papers he's talking about.

1566
01:20:14,160 --> 01:20:16,120
Speaker 3: I mean, dogs do have pay. I had to turn

1567
01:20:16,240 --> 01:20:20,400
Speaker 3: in papers for my dog recently and it was this

1568
01:20:20,640 --> 01:20:25,200
Speaker 3: really but like I had to prove that he was

1569
01:20:25,479 --> 01:20:26,680
Speaker 3: I didn't prove that he his mine. And then I

1570
01:20:26,720 --> 01:20:31,080
Speaker 3: had to prove that he had been fixed. And I

1571
01:20:31,200 --> 01:20:33,360
Speaker 3: knew he'd been fixed, but I couldn't find like a

1572
01:20:33,560 --> 01:20:35,920
Speaker 3: record of him being fixed in twenty nineteen. So I

1573
01:20:36,000 --> 01:20:38,360
Speaker 3: did go to the vet and literally, it's the funniest

1574
01:20:38,360 --> 01:20:41,760
Speaker 3: piece of paper. It's hanging on my fridge. It says, wait,

1575
01:20:41,840 --> 01:20:42,560
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go get it.

1576
01:20:43,560 --> 01:20:43,840
Speaker 4: Okay.

1577
01:20:46,520 --> 01:20:50,479
Speaker 5: Also what did the papers say? Because it becomes clear

1578
01:20:50,600 --> 01:20:54,960
Speaker 5: that Norm never named He never gave air Bud a name, right,

1579
01:20:55,160 --> 01:20:57,720
Speaker 5: because when he confronts the mom in the backyard, he's like,

1580
01:20:57,800 --> 01:21:01,240
Speaker 5: that's my dog. Uh, and then ate and it's like,

1581
01:21:01,280 --> 01:21:03,519
Speaker 5: oh it's blue because he sees it on the paint can.

1582
01:21:03,680 --> 01:21:05,479
Speaker 5: It's like, what does what do the papers say? You

1583
01:21:05,600 --> 01:21:06,800
Speaker 5: never named the dog?

1584
01:21:07,080 --> 01:21:07,400
Speaker 4: Norm?

1585
01:21:07,520 --> 01:21:10,280
Speaker 3: Great point maybe the papers might sound something like this,

1586
01:21:11,800 --> 01:21:17,519
Speaker 3: Dear Sirs, I examined Sonny on March twenty six five.

1587
01:21:18,200 --> 01:21:24,560
Speaker 3: Sonny has no testicles, which is which is, which is

1588
01:21:24,640 --> 01:21:27,000
Speaker 3: consistent with having been neutered in the past, and then

1589
01:21:27,160 --> 01:21:29,880
Speaker 3: just the doctor's signature. I pay thee forty dollars to

1590
01:21:29,920 --> 01:21:32,719
Speaker 3: give you that piece of paper. It is the funniest

1591
01:21:32,760 --> 01:21:33,760
Speaker 3: thing that I've ever paid for.

1592
01:21:36,880 --> 01:21:38,439
Speaker 5: I hope that that's what norm.

1593
01:21:38,960 --> 01:21:41,639
Speaker 3: Dear Sirs, air Bud has no test.

1594
01:21:43,120 --> 01:21:45,680
Speaker 5: This unnamed dog has no testicles.

1595
01:21:48,120 --> 01:21:48,400
Speaker 4: Okay.

1596
01:21:48,439 --> 01:21:52,360
Speaker 2: So Norm is like, I'll see you in court, and

1597
01:21:52,520 --> 01:21:54,920
Speaker 2: then we cut to court and it's a hearing that

1598
01:21:55,200 --> 01:21:58,360
Speaker 2: is goofy as hell. But basically Norm is like, this

1599
01:21:58,520 --> 01:22:01,559
Speaker 2: dog is legally mine, and Josh is like, well, buddy

1600
01:22:01,680 --> 01:22:05,439
Speaker 2: doesn't even like Norm because he was abusive. And then

1601
01:22:05,560 --> 01:22:09,479
Speaker 2: Coach Arthur shows up to be like, let the dog decide.

1602
01:22:10,280 --> 01:22:11,439
Speaker 2: So everyone goes outside.

1603
01:22:11,520 --> 01:22:15,120
Speaker 4: Okay, can I just say hold on? The coach Arthur

1604
01:22:15,680 --> 01:22:19,160
Speaker 4: walks into the courtroom. He was not there for most

1605
01:22:19,200 --> 01:22:22,000
Speaker 4: of the hearing. He comes in at a pivotal moment

1606
01:22:22,560 --> 01:22:25,400
Speaker 4: and he's like, I have something to say. The coach

1607
01:22:25,560 --> 01:22:28,479
Speaker 4: is like, are you Arthur Cheney?

1608
01:22:28,600 --> 01:22:31,840
Speaker 5: The judge from the next Yeah. The judge is like,

1609
01:22:32,400 --> 01:22:33,519
Speaker 5: I remember you.

1610
01:22:33,920 --> 01:22:36,760
Speaker 4: I was at the game against the Celtics when you

1611
01:22:36,960 --> 01:22:41,040
Speaker 4: hit that turnaround jump shot. And then Arthur Chaney is like, yeah,

1612
01:22:41,120 --> 01:22:43,800
Speaker 4: that's right, that's me. I think that you should let

1613
01:22:43,880 --> 01:22:49,080
Speaker 4: the dog decide. The judge has no context for why

1614
01:22:49,240 --> 01:22:53,080
Speaker 4: he's there. It's like if Sean Kemp walked into a

1615
01:22:53,280 --> 01:22:55,920
Speaker 4: random court hearing.

1616
01:22:56,040 --> 01:22:59,880
Speaker 5: Like divorce proceedings and was like, let the teenager choose

1617
01:23:00,040 --> 01:23:01,200
Speaker 5: where he wants to live.

1618
01:23:04,280 --> 01:23:05,040
Speaker 2: I didn't think of that.

1619
01:23:05,560 --> 01:23:07,800
Speaker 4: So funny, it's so funny, so funny.

1620
01:23:07,880 --> 01:23:10,720
Speaker 5: Well, the whole court, the whole court situation is well,

1621
01:23:10,760 --> 01:23:13,479
Speaker 5: it's I eventually realized why so many people were there.

1622
01:23:13,560 --> 01:23:16,519
Speaker 5: But there's never anyone just sitting in the gallery of

1623
01:23:16,600 --> 01:23:19,360
Speaker 5: a courtroom. And I was like, there's truly nothing going

1624
01:23:19,439 --> 01:23:21,679
Speaker 5: on in this town. If the whole town is showing

1625
01:23:21,760 --> 01:23:24,720
Speaker 5: up to a dog custody bad Like, what is this

1626
01:23:25,000 --> 01:23:25,639
Speaker 5: so awesome?

1627
01:23:26,439 --> 01:23:26,639
Speaker 4: There?

1628
01:23:27,160 --> 01:23:30,479
Speaker 3: This whole like courtroom is run on vibes and they

1629
01:23:30,880 --> 01:23:35,120
Speaker 3: don't they don't really make any if it's like the judge,

1630
01:23:35,200 --> 01:23:37,839
Speaker 3: what is the thing he says where he's like, normally

1631
01:23:37,920 --> 01:23:40,480
Speaker 3: I wouldn't do this, but this is hilarious.

1632
01:23:40,840 --> 01:23:44,160
Speaker 5: And so people come in my courtroom all the time

1633
01:23:44,200 --> 01:23:46,800
Speaker 5: with terrible ideas about how I should rule, and this

1634
01:23:46,960 --> 01:23:48,320
Speaker 5: time I like it, like.

1635
01:23:48,400 --> 01:23:51,880
Speaker 3: It, so let's take He's just like, let's do a

1636
01:23:51,920 --> 01:23:53,519
Speaker 3: silly one, yeah, court case.

1637
01:23:53,600 --> 01:23:55,280
Speaker 2: Let's keep it wacky, let's keep it light.

1638
01:23:55,560 --> 01:23:56,080
Speaker 4: It'll be fun.

1639
01:23:56,360 --> 01:23:56,559
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1640
01:23:57,439 --> 01:24:01,160
Speaker 2: So because he agrees to this, everyone goes outside. They

1641
01:24:01,280 --> 01:24:05,360
Speaker 2: gather around Buddy. We're not sure who he's gonna choose

1642
01:24:05,520 --> 01:24:09,680
Speaker 2: it first, because Buddy's like kind of going over to

1643
01:24:09,920 --> 01:24:13,800
Speaker 2: Norm the clown, because he has rolled up newspaper, but

1644
01:24:13,880 --> 01:24:17,360
Speaker 2: it's only so that Buddy can rip the newspaper to shreds.

1645
01:24:17,800 --> 01:24:20,639
Speaker 2: And then he goes over to Josh. So the judge

1646
01:24:20,720 --> 01:24:25,559
Speaker 2: awards custody to Josh of Buddy the dog, and that's

1647
01:24:26,120 --> 01:24:27,000
Speaker 2: the end of the movie.

1648
01:24:27,120 --> 01:24:29,839
Speaker 3: Finally, it's what a film.

1649
01:24:30,120 --> 01:24:34,640
Speaker 4: And the judge is like, bailiffs remove this clown, and

1650
01:24:34,720 --> 01:24:37,560
Speaker 4: then like three cops like bank the clown up and

1651
01:24:37,640 --> 01:24:39,240
Speaker 4: carry him away, even though.

1652
01:24:39,360 --> 01:24:41,360
Speaker 5: At this point they're outside on the front lawn.

1653
01:24:41,479 --> 01:24:42,600
Speaker 4: Where are you removing him to?

1654
01:24:42,760 --> 01:24:45,320
Speaker 5: He's outside, leave him, let's let him go.

1655
01:24:45,640 --> 01:24:47,120
Speaker 4: I think he has to go to clown prison.

1656
01:24:47,520 --> 01:24:49,559
Speaker 5: Oh, clown jail. Sure that makes a lot of sense, true,

1657
01:24:50,000 --> 01:24:51,600
Speaker 5: I just I loved it. And as the credits for

1658
01:24:51,680 --> 01:24:54,120
Speaker 5: role as you know, as Lindy mentioned earlier, they go

1659
01:24:54,280 --> 01:24:57,679
Speaker 5: out of their way to tell you the basketball scenes

1660
01:24:57,840 --> 01:25:01,320
Speaker 5: were not CGI air bu I really did do all

1661
01:25:01,400 --> 01:25:04,000
Speaker 5: that stuff. They did not use any sort of like

1662
01:25:04,520 --> 01:25:06,240
Speaker 5: trickery CGI trickery.

1663
01:25:06,320 --> 01:25:10,080
Speaker 4: It's really impressive in all sincerity. I found the basketball

1664
01:25:10,120 --> 01:25:13,160
Speaker 4: scenes believable. I felt like the dog, he's good. Yes,

1665
01:25:13,840 --> 01:25:17,040
Speaker 4: I felt like he was really playing basketball. And like

1666
01:25:17,280 --> 01:25:23,000
Speaker 4: I've seen other similar you know, cinema done with puppets

1667
01:25:23,200 --> 01:25:26,080
Speaker 4: and trickery, and it's not as satisfying and it's not

1668
01:25:26,160 --> 01:25:29,479
Speaker 4: as believable. Really, I really felt these practical effects. I

1669
01:25:29,520 --> 01:25:31,120
Speaker 4: loved it. Not even practical effects.

1670
01:25:31,240 --> 01:25:34,320
Speaker 5: Just a dog playing basketball, a dog playing basketball, just

1671
01:25:34,360 --> 01:25:35,840
Speaker 5: a dog shooting the jah.

1672
01:25:36,200 --> 01:25:38,519
Speaker 2: You love to see it. Let's take another quick break

1673
01:25:38,760 --> 01:25:41,400
Speaker 2: and then we will come back to discuss further.

1674
01:25:52,160 --> 01:25:56,040
Speaker 3: And we're back. I mean, okay, wait, can we talk okay?

1675
01:25:56,160 --> 01:25:58,600
Speaker 3: I uh if we talk about the real Buddy for

1676
01:25:58,680 --> 01:26:03,600
Speaker 3: a second, because it is a very complicated story. But

1677
01:26:03,960 --> 01:26:07,800
Speaker 3: there is a lot of history, a lot of lore

1678
01:26:07,960 --> 01:26:12,320
Speaker 3: attached to the dog. Buddy born approximately nineteen eighty eight,

1679
01:26:12,920 --> 01:26:18,120
Speaker 3: past February tenth, nineteen ninety eight. He was I don't

1680
01:26:18,400 --> 01:26:20,560
Speaker 3: quite know how to say this last name. He was

1681
01:26:20,640 --> 01:26:22,479
Speaker 3: found by Kevin Decico.

1682
01:26:22,479 --> 01:26:25,559
Speaker 2: Desico to Chico Chic yet check.

1683
01:26:25,960 --> 01:26:28,000
Speaker 3: I don't want to call him Dasco, so I'm gonna

1684
01:26:28,000 --> 01:26:33,880
Speaker 3: say Decico, Kevin Decico, I'll guess. He was found in

1685
01:26:34,320 --> 01:26:39,240
Speaker 3: the Sierra Nevada in the summer of nineteen eighty nine.

1686
01:26:39,320 --> 01:26:44,679
Speaker 3: Pulling from scholarly journal Wikipedia here, Desico adopted the Golden

1687
01:26:44,760 --> 01:26:48,559
Speaker 3: retriever and brought him to San Diego, where he quickly

1688
01:26:48,920 --> 01:26:53,320
Speaker 3: per Kevin. Because Kevin does write a memoir about this

1689
01:26:53,680 --> 01:26:58,320
Speaker 3: in twenty twelve called Go Buddy, and he says that

1690
01:26:58,479 --> 01:27:03,040
Speaker 3: he learned that like basically what Buddy does with the

1691
01:27:03,280 --> 01:27:06,880
Speaker 3: basketball is like it's covered in olive oil and he

1692
01:27:07,120 --> 01:27:09,519
Speaker 3: nips at it and it flies, and he learns how

1693
01:27:09,600 --> 01:27:13,640
Speaker 3: to do this, and pretty quickly there are to me

1694
01:27:13,840 --> 01:27:18,200
Speaker 3: some like circus vibes where like Kevin Desico knows he

1695
01:27:18,280 --> 01:27:21,600
Speaker 3: has an opportunity with this dog and he starts. I

1696
01:27:21,760 --> 01:27:25,720
Speaker 3: did some like background research into sort of how this

1697
01:27:26,040 --> 01:27:28,200
Speaker 3: came to be, and it was like Kevin was very

1698
01:27:29,479 --> 01:27:33,400
Speaker 3: trying to make this happen. He appeared at local events,

1699
01:27:33,640 --> 01:27:37,360
Speaker 3: then it was state events. Eventually Buddy gets onto David

1700
01:27:37,560 --> 01:27:40,920
Speaker 3: Letterman and people are loving Buddy. Buddy in the early

1701
01:27:41,080 --> 01:27:43,840
Speaker 3: nineties was on It is so wild because I just

1702
01:27:44,640 --> 01:27:48,080
Speaker 3: did an episode of Your Wrong About about Paul Rubins,

1703
01:27:48,840 --> 01:27:51,639
Speaker 3: and their arcs are just so similar. So he works

1704
01:27:51,680 --> 01:27:53,679
Speaker 3: and works and works, and he gets on Letterman. People

1705
01:27:53,760 --> 01:27:55,840
Speaker 3: love him on Letterman. They're like, let's let's give this

1706
01:27:55,960 --> 01:27:58,840
Speaker 3: dog a movie. And that's how this comes to pass.

1707
01:27:59,000 --> 01:28:02,880
Speaker 3: So there is like show animal vibes to this. But

1708
01:28:03,080 --> 01:28:07,919
Speaker 3: Kevin himself is a complicated figure because he gets basically

1709
01:28:08,120 --> 01:28:10,880
Speaker 3: cut out of the air Bud franchise in spite of

1710
01:28:10,960 --> 01:28:14,599
Speaker 3: the fact that he did create it in a way.

1711
01:28:14,600 --> 01:28:16,800
Speaker 3: He didn't write the movie, but you know, he was

1712
01:28:17,000 --> 01:28:20,040
Speaker 3: Buddy's handler. It's because Buddy was so popular on TV

1713
01:28:20,200 --> 01:28:23,679
Speaker 3: that this movie was written. But then Buddy passes away

1714
01:28:23,760 --> 01:28:26,160
Speaker 3: and Kevin sort of has no involvement from what I

1715
01:28:26,240 --> 01:28:29,760
Speaker 3: can tell with the franchise moving forward. It seems like

1716
01:28:29,800 --> 01:28:33,280
Speaker 3: he's had a very difficult life moving forward from there.

1717
01:28:33,360 --> 01:28:36,120
Speaker 3: There were a few articles about him last year about

1718
01:28:36,160 --> 01:28:38,720
Speaker 3: him having health struggles. He was unhoused for a time,

1719
01:28:38,840 --> 01:28:42,760
Speaker 3: like he's had a challenging life post Buddy. But then

1720
01:28:42,800 --> 01:28:47,040
Speaker 3: there's also very complicated stuff that we've talked about before.

1721
01:28:47,080 --> 01:28:48,680
Speaker 3: I think we talked about it a lot during our

1722
01:28:49,560 --> 01:28:52,720
Speaker 3: Babe episode. I think of just I think so that

1723
01:28:52,840 --> 01:28:54,760
Speaker 3: we don't need to fully unpack here because there's so

1724
01:28:54,840 --> 01:28:57,120
Speaker 3: much to talk about, but just the idea of like

1725
01:28:57,400 --> 01:29:01,479
Speaker 3: using real life animals in movies, it's always gonna be

1726
01:29:01,479 --> 01:29:04,840
Speaker 3: a hard sell for me. But like airbud is such

1727
01:29:04,880 --> 01:29:09,880
Speaker 3: an effective sound because because Buddy is incredible.

1728
01:29:09,880 --> 01:29:11,920
Speaker 5: He's so good at basketball and he seems like he's

1729
01:29:11,960 --> 01:29:14,680
Speaker 5: having a great time. But in a way, it's like

1730
01:29:15,240 --> 01:29:18,679
Speaker 5: this conversation we're having about should we use child actors

1731
01:29:18,760 --> 01:29:23,160
Speaker 5: for anything at all? Ever too, probably not, because there's

1732
01:29:23,360 --> 01:29:25,680
Speaker 5: just I mean that's a little bit different. It's very

1733
01:29:25,800 --> 01:29:28,960
Speaker 5: ripe for exploitation and abuse. That is the exploitation piece

1734
01:29:29,280 --> 01:29:31,720
Speaker 5: and the abuse piece also very true for animals, not

1735
01:29:31,920 --> 01:29:33,479
Speaker 5: equating children with animals.

1736
01:29:33,520 --> 01:29:37,280
Speaker 3: I guess it's like vulnerable perform Yeah, yeah, And there's

1737
01:29:37,439 --> 01:29:39,800
Speaker 3: not really a lot that's like been said about this

1738
01:29:39,960 --> 01:29:44,200
Speaker 3: with regards to Buddies specifically. I feel like probably because

1739
01:29:44,200 --> 01:29:46,000
Speaker 3: of the time it came out, but just reading like

1740
01:29:46,320 --> 01:29:48,040
Speaker 3: I don't know the directors did a lot of like

1741
01:29:48,640 --> 01:29:53,240
Speaker 3: fun you know, twentieth anaversary, twenty fifth anniversary retrospectives about Airbud,

1742
01:29:53,720 --> 01:29:55,840
Speaker 3: and they're mostly fun. It seems like it was a

1743
01:29:55,880 --> 01:29:57,640
Speaker 3: fun set. Everyone had a nice time. But then you

1744
01:29:57,840 --> 01:30:00,599
Speaker 3: just like, I don't know. I've read an anecdote where

1745
01:30:00,640 --> 01:30:04,000
Speaker 3: he was like talking about Airbud getting the hoop at

1746
01:30:04,040 --> 01:30:06,040
Speaker 3: the end of the basketball game at the climax of

1747
01:30:06,080 --> 01:30:08,280
Speaker 3: the movie, and that it took like thirty takes to

1748
01:30:08,320 --> 01:30:11,360
Speaker 3: get it and everyone was getting frustrated, and you're like, oh,

1749
01:30:12,160 --> 01:30:12,479
Speaker 3: he's a.

1750
01:30:12,680 --> 01:30:16,479
Speaker 5: Little guy, you know, air bottle loone.

1751
01:30:17,120 --> 01:30:17,360
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1752
01:30:18,520 --> 01:30:21,680
Speaker 2: I also read that Kevin Desicco claimed that he was

1753
01:30:21,760 --> 01:30:26,559
Speaker 2: not paid anything for the first film and then yeah,

1754
01:30:26,680 --> 01:30:30,559
Speaker 2: was basically cut out of the franchise after that, so.

1755
01:30:30,920 --> 01:30:33,519
Speaker 5: He doesn't have like an ownership stake and the ip

1756
01:30:33,840 --> 01:30:36,240
Speaker 5: of Airbud in any way, even though like he was

1757
01:30:36,360 --> 01:30:38,960
Speaker 5: the one who originally trained this dog to do all the.

1758
01:30:39,360 --> 01:30:43,679
Speaker 3: Right Definitely tragic, and there was an animal, a professional

1759
01:30:43,720 --> 01:30:47,719
Speaker 3: animal trainer on the set luckily, who was also helping

1760
01:30:47,840 --> 01:30:51,600
Speaker 3: with Airbuds like doubles. But yeah, I also saw that

1761
01:30:51,680 --> 01:30:54,320
Speaker 3: Kevin Desico wasn't paid, which I'm like, I don't understand

1762
01:30:54,320 --> 01:30:56,559
Speaker 3: how that could have happened when he was literally Buddy

1763
01:30:56,600 --> 01:30:59,599
Speaker 3: s handler. I'm like, did Buddy make money like I'm

1764
01:30:59,600 --> 01:31:04,720
Speaker 3: a doing he did airbud LLC Airbudlosi. But I'm also like,

1765
01:31:04,960 --> 01:31:07,479
Speaker 3: Buddy making money is basically Kevid Tosicica making money. I

1766
01:31:07,520 --> 01:31:10,320
Speaker 3: don't know. He's a very confusing character to me. I

1767
01:31:10,439 --> 01:31:12,479
Speaker 3: know Buddy had to have been paid. There's no world

1768
01:31:12,479 --> 01:31:14,120
Speaker 3: where Airbud was not compensated.

1769
01:31:14,560 --> 01:31:17,840
Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, it just feels so different now, you know,

1770
01:31:18,080 --> 01:31:20,720
Speaker 5: in the social media era. Sorry to sound like my

1771
01:31:20,800 --> 01:31:24,519
Speaker 5: own grandmother, but like you know, animals go super viral

1772
01:31:24,680 --> 01:31:27,920
Speaker 5: online and then there are in fact animal agents that

1773
01:31:28,040 --> 01:31:31,320
Speaker 5: will help you monetize your pet. And then like the

1774
01:31:31,360 --> 01:31:33,240
Speaker 5: worst thing is when you follow them on Instagram and

1775
01:31:33,320 --> 01:31:34,720
Speaker 5: they start to get old, and then you start to

1776
01:31:34,760 --> 01:31:36,240
Speaker 5: get sad because you know, eventually, like.

1777
01:31:36,360 --> 01:31:39,080
Speaker 3: I mean, Grumpy Cat died ten years ago.

1778
01:31:39,600 --> 01:31:44,719
Speaker 5: Yeah, but these days, I don't know, maybe in nineteen

1779
01:31:44,800 --> 01:31:47,560
Speaker 5: ninety seven it just was different. It's like, if you

1780
01:31:47,640 --> 01:31:51,240
Speaker 5: think about it, if Airbud were on Letterman during the

1781
01:31:51,360 --> 01:31:54,439
Speaker 5: Instagram era, like think of all the brand deals that

1782
01:31:54,600 --> 01:31:58,160
Speaker 5: Airbud would have had with Farmer's dog or whatever. But

1783
01:31:58,280 --> 01:32:00,880
Speaker 5: it's like, I guess dog agents didn't exists. It should

1784
01:32:01,000 --> 01:32:03,960
Speaker 5: dog agents exist probably.

1785
01:32:03,720 --> 01:32:05,599
Speaker 3: Now it's like and now I think it's all AI

1786
01:32:05,720 --> 01:32:08,080
Speaker 3: slop dogs anyways, Like I don't even know if dogs

1787
01:32:08,080 --> 01:32:10,680
Speaker 3: aren't even working anymore. And how do you feel, Like,

1788
01:32:10,800 --> 01:32:14,760
Speaker 3: how do I don't know?

1789
01:32:15,040 --> 01:32:17,760
Speaker 4: I feel bad though now that I because I was

1790
01:32:17,800 --> 01:32:19,360
Speaker 4: the one who went really hard for how good it

1791
01:32:19,520 --> 01:32:21,560
Speaker 4: was to watch the real dog play basketball, and I

1792
01:32:21,800 --> 01:32:25,120
Speaker 4: just want to say it was those fun ones. But like,

1793
01:32:25,360 --> 01:32:27,439
Speaker 4: maybe we don't have to do it again. Maybe we

1794
01:32:27,479 --> 01:32:30,599
Speaker 4: don't have to do a live action remake of yeah,

1795
01:32:30,840 --> 01:32:31,519
Speaker 4: of air Bunds.

1796
01:32:31,560 --> 01:32:33,680
Speaker 5: Definitely, there's a lot of art from the past that

1797
01:32:33,800 --> 01:32:36,679
Speaker 5: we don't need to revisit, like remake or revisit or redo,

1798
01:32:37,160 --> 01:32:39,200
Speaker 5: you know, where we can still appreciate for what it was.

1799
01:32:39,800 --> 01:32:41,519
Speaker 4: I feel like there's other things like that where it's

1800
01:32:41,600 --> 01:32:45,200
Speaker 4: like I don't know. They're like in the fifties they

1801
01:32:45,400 --> 01:32:50,719
Speaker 4: used a radioactive waste as blush and look how beautiful,

1802
01:32:50,800 --> 01:32:53,479
Speaker 4: Look how beautiful all the movie stars looked, and you

1803
01:32:53,560 --> 01:32:56,599
Speaker 4: could be like, yes, they looked beautiful, and we don't

1804
01:32:56,640 --> 01:32:57,120
Speaker 4: have to do that.

1805
01:32:57,280 --> 01:33:00,800
Speaker 3: And they died moments after wrapped and may they rest

1806
01:33:00,840 --> 01:33:01,240
Speaker 3: in power.

1807
01:33:01,720 --> 01:33:04,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean we can appreciate the beauty and then

1808
01:33:04,400 --> 01:33:06,559
Speaker 4: we can say what we're gonna not probably not.

1809
01:33:06,640 --> 01:33:08,519
Speaker 2: Do that, but let's not keep doing that.

1810
01:33:08,800 --> 01:33:09,800
Speaker 5: We're gonna cee Gi the.

1811
01:33:09,840 --> 01:33:13,560
Speaker 3: Dog, which we don't need to and there is. We

1812
01:33:13,840 --> 01:33:15,840
Speaker 3: will put the link of the description if you want,

1813
01:33:16,080 --> 01:33:18,120
Speaker 3: if you if you wish to know more about the

1814
01:33:18,320 --> 01:33:21,799
Speaker 3: horrific production circumstances of the two thousand and eight directed

1815
01:33:21,880 --> 01:33:26,160
Speaker 3: DVD film Snow Buddies, you could read that in the description.

1816
01:33:26,320 --> 01:33:28,519
Speaker 5: But this was Paul Walker involved in that one.

1817
01:33:28,760 --> 01:33:31,719
Speaker 2: No, he is a different that's a different snow dog movie.

1818
01:33:31,760 --> 01:33:33,599
Speaker 2: I think that one might just be called snow Dogs.

1819
01:33:33,840 --> 01:33:36,720
Speaker 3: That's that's the Kouba getting Junior one. Oh wait, what's

1820
01:33:36,800 --> 01:33:40,040
Speaker 3: Tyro the Paul Walker snow Dogs movie is?

1821
01:33:40,200 --> 01:33:42,080
Speaker 5: I thought he was involved in the one where the

1822
01:33:42,160 --> 01:33:45,160
Speaker 5: dogs died. But I must have made that up because,

1823
01:33:45,400 --> 01:33:46,599
Speaker 5: oh god, I hope there's.

1824
01:33:46,479 --> 01:33:47,320
Speaker 3: Not two of them.

1825
01:33:47,640 --> 01:33:50,160
Speaker 2: Oh he Okay, Paul Walker's in the movie called eight Below.

1826
01:33:50,439 --> 01:33:54,240
Speaker 4: Okay, Oh that's right. I assume all the dogs.

1827
01:33:54,080 --> 01:33:56,439
Speaker 3: Survived, let's hope.

1828
01:33:57,880 --> 01:33:58,040
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1829
01:33:58,120 --> 01:33:59,920
Speaker 3: The last thing to say about Buddy, so he does

1830
01:34:00,080 --> 01:34:03,960
Speaker 3: pass away of cancer. It does not seem that his

1831
01:34:04,120 --> 01:34:07,400
Speaker 3: illness is related to performance at very least. But it's

1832
01:34:07,439 --> 01:34:08,800
Speaker 3: sad he dies a year later.

1833
01:34:09,000 --> 01:34:11,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, he only got to enjoy his fame for like

1834
01:34:12,040 --> 01:34:13,200
Speaker 5: a year, it sounds like.

1835
01:34:13,439 --> 01:34:16,519
Speaker 3: And to add insult to injury, he was nominated for

1836
01:34:16,800 --> 01:34:19,320
Speaker 3: one award, and only one award. It was a Kid's

1837
01:34:19,400 --> 01:34:22,839
Speaker 3: Choice Award for Best Animal, and he lost to Salem

1838
01:34:22,920 --> 01:34:25,880
Speaker 3: the Cat. Oh that's not even a real cat, who's

1839
01:34:25,880 --> 01:34:31,360
Speaker 3: a puppet. He lost to a puppet, insulting, an unbelievable snub.

1840
01:34:31,600 --> 01:34:32,120
Speaker 4: Horrific.

1841
01:34:32,240 --> 01:34:36,200
Speaker 5: Oh my god, that's like Chadwick Boseman losing to Anthony

1842
01:34:36,280 --> 01:34:37,719
Speaker 5: Hopkins after.

1843
01:34:37,640 --> 01:34:41,479
Speaker 3: He died the Oscar. It's bad. Yeah, Oh I hate that. Yeah,

1844
01:34:41,840 --> 01:34:44,080
Speaker 3: So that's buddy, now we know.

1845
01:34:44,840 --> 01:34:47,599
Speaker 4: You know, I think Kevin has a case, by the way,

1846
01:34:47,720 --> 01:34:52,080
Speaker 4: to get some kind of retroactive like life, they should

1847
01:34:52,320 --> 01:34:54,800
Speaker 4: have to buy Kevin's life rights or something to use

1848
01:34:55,200 --> 01:34:58,000
Speaker 4: for the entire franchise. Yeah, and I think the key

1849
01:34:58,439 --> 01:35:01,080
Speaker 4: is Kevin should take the Disney operation to court and

1850
01:35:01,200 --> 01:35:06,680
Speaker 4: all he needs is Arthur Cheney as his attorney.

1851
01:35:07,080 --> 01:35:08,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, speak on it, speak on this.

1852
01:35:09,080 --> 01:35:10,920
Speaker 4: To show up and tell the judge what's up.

1853
01:35:11,520 --> 01:35:16,760
Speaker 5: He says to the judge. Let the royalties choose where

1854
01:35:16,880 --> 01:35:19,479
Speaker 5: they want to flow. That's right to Kevin or to

1855
01:35:19,920 --> 01:35:22,320
Speaker 5: Bob Iger. I think I think we know where the

1856
01:35:22,360 --> 01:35:23,120
Speaker 5: royalties are going.

1857
01:35:23,400 --> 01:35:26,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, I hope, I hope, Yeah, I hope Kevin's well,

1858
01:35:26,240 --> 01:35:28,000
Speaker 3: it seems like he's having a hard time.

1859
01:35:28,800 --> 01:35:29,439
Speaker 5: Yeah, poor guy.

1860
01:35:29,600 --> 01:35:30,880
Speaker 4: I hate that, I really hate that.

1861
01:35:31,080 --> 01:35:32,960
Speaker 5: Yeah. I just want to say, Kevin, I know we're

1862
01:35:33,280 --> 01:35:37,160
Speaker 5: very we're feeling very fraught about the animal entertainment piece

1863
01:35:37,200 --> 01:35:39,040
Speaker 5: of this. But he did a real good job training

1864
01:35:39,120 --> 01:35:40,760
Speaker 5: that dog. Yeah, and he brought me a lot of

1865
01:35:40,800 --> 01:35:42,920
Speaker 5: happiness when I was watching air. But I just want

1866
01:35:42,960 --> 01:35:44,840
Speaker 5: you to know, if you're listening, which I'm sure you are,

1867
01:35:45,160 --> 01:35:46,760
Speaker 5: Thank you, Thanks keV, Thank you, Kevin.

1868
01:35:47,760 --> 01:35:48,000
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1869
01:35:50,240 --> 01:35:55,000
Speaker 2: Can we talk about I guess Jackie Josh's mom? Sure?

1870
01:35:55,479 --> 01:35:55,519
Speaker 5: What?

1871
01:35:56,000 --> 01:35:56,519
Speaker 4: Yeah? What else?

1872
01:35:56,640 --> 01:35:59,400
Speaker 3: What else is there to say about? I've had Jackie?

1873
01:36:00,120 --> 01:36:03,880
Speaker 2: Well, Okay, this is a Disney movie. Within a live mom,

1874
01:36:04,520 --> 01:36:06,519
Speaker 2: there is a parent who has passed away, and it's

1875
01:36:06,600 --> 01:36:09,120
Speaker 2: the dad this time, which is pretty unusual for a

1876
01:36:09,160 --> 01:36:09,800
Speaker 2: Disney movie.

1877
01:36:10,120 --> 01:36:12,800
Speaker 5: There's always at least one dead parrot in a Disney.

1878
01:36:12,520 --> 01:36:17,280
Speaker 2: Movie, right, almost always? Yes, canon, Now this happened recently,

1879
01:36:17,439 --> 01:36:23,599
Speaker 2: where this where Jackie's husband passed away very tragically and violently.

1880
01:36:23,800 --> 01:36:25,080
Speaker 3: He didn't need to be that bad.

1881
01:36:25,200 --> 01:36:28,400
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't think so. But this does

1882
01:36:28,479 --> 01:36:32,040
Speaker 2: not seem to be affecting her, or if it is,

1883
01:36:32,160 --> 01:36:35,599
Speaker 2: the movie doesn't care to explore that in any meaningful way.

1884
01:36:36,160 --> 01:36:39,519
Speaker 2: She's busy with her napkin job and then her second job,

1885
01:36:39,600 --> 01:36:42,920
Speaker 2: whatever that might be. Her whole storyline in the movie

1886
01:36:43,080 --> 01:36:46,720
Speaker 2: is like where are my newspapers again? This movie could

1887
01:36:46,720 --> 01:36:49,000
Speaker 2: have easily explored something a little And I get it.

1888
01:36:49,080 --> 01:36:51,040
Speaker 2: It's a kid's movie. You don't want to go too

1889
01:36:51,760 --> 01:36:55,679
Speaker 2: heavy and deep on too many things, but it's right there,

1890
01:36:55,840 --> 01:36:59,599
Speaker 2: Like why wouldn't there be some sort of like moment

1891
01:36:59,800 --> 01:37:03,400
Speaker 2: in which she and Josh bonded over the loss of Yeah,

1892
01:37:03,880 --> 01:37:08,040
Speaker 2: over like grieving for Josh's father, Like it just is

1893
01:37:08,120 --> 01:37:08,759
Speaker 2: so goofy.

1894
01:37:09,160 --> 01:37:11,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, they don't show her struggling or grieving, and maybe

1895
01:37:11,479 --> 01:37:13,960
Speaker 5: that's just that is her coping mechanism to be could

1896
01:37:14,000 --> 01:37:16,920
Speaker 5: be relentlessly positive and happy. But really, the only time

1897
01:37:17,000 --> 01:37:18,960
Speaker 5: she brings up the dad, she's just talking, saying to

1898
01:37:19,040 --> 01:37:21,439
Speaker 5: the principle like, oh, he hasn't spoken since his dad died,

1899
01:37:21,439 --> 01:37:26,680
Speaker 5: which Jackie hello and then she's like, but maybe he

1900
01:37:26,720 --> 01:37:29,400
Speaker 5: just needs a hobby, like the tuba job or something,

1901
01:37:29,479 --> 01:37:31,960
Speaker 5: and that's really And she doesn't even have that conversation

1902
01:37:32,160 --> 01:37:34,160
Speaker 5: with Josh. She's like talking to the principle.

1903
01:37:34,240 --> 01:37:36,519
Speaker 2: I think she just signs him up for band without

1904
01:37:36,880 --> 01:37:37,320
Speaker 2: him knowing.

1905
01:37:37,720 --> 01:37:40,960
Speaker 3: And again it's like she's in a very difficult circumstance.

1906
01:37:41,040 --> 01:37:43,360
Speaker 3: I want to show Jackie race where I can, but

1907
01:37:43,520 --> 01:37:47,320
Speaker 3: she's just like her her bedside manner is not good.

1908
01:37:47,520 --> 01:37:49,720
Speaker 3: Like she there's that scene where she goes up to

1909
01:37:49,840 --> 01:37:53,519
Speaker 3: Josh and he's upset because he's also like, I don't know,

1910
01:37:53,640 --> 01:37:56,280
Speaker 3: I know this for her job, but like moving after

1911
01:37:56,360 --> 01:37:59,160
Speaker 3: a loss that's severe and like being away from your

1912
01:37:59,240 --> 01:38:03,120
Speaker 3: family and friends to be really hard. But she says, quote,

1913
01:38:03,160 --> 01:38:06,320
Speaker 3: your dad wouldn't want you being all MOPI unquote.

1914
01:38:06,439 --> 01:38:08,559
Speaker 4: So manipulative, who so evil?

1915
01:38:09,280 --> 01:38:12,040
Speaker 3: And then and then make the dogs sleep outside. I

1916
01:38:12,160 --> 01:38:16,519
Speaker 3: was like, she's a bit evil at times, like I, yeah, her.

1917
01:38:16,520 --> 01:38:20,600
Speaker 5: Emotional regulation is definitely questionable. I understand why, but it

1918
01:38:20,760 --> 01:38:24,240
Speaker 5: is very it's almost like kind of evil stepmother. I

1919
01:38:24,320 --> 01:38:26,280
Speaker 5: mean she I know, she says actual mother, not stepmother,

1920
01:38:26,400 --> 01:38:28,640
Speaker 5: to be like, I don't think your dad would like

1921
01:38:28,880 --> 01:38:29,920
Speaker 5: that very much witty.

1922
01:38:30,479 --> 01:38:31,519
Speaker 4: You know, it's weird.

1923
01:38:31,800 --> 01:38:35,040
Speaker 2: I think it's a case of the movies, which is

1924
01:38:35,080 --> 01:38:40,360
Speaker 2: what so many movies do, caring more about the male characters,

1925
01:38:40,800 --> 01:38:43,599
Speaker 2: the little boy's relationship with his father, than it does

1926
01:38:43,680 --> 01:38:48,320
Speaker 2: about any women or girls in the movies. They're just like, well,

1927
01:38:48,360 --> 01:38:50,760
Speaker 2: he has to have a mom. She's gonna be at

1928
01:38:50,760 --> 01:38:54,800
Speaker 2: work all the time at Napkin Factory, and she's gonna

1929
01:38:54,800 --> 01:38:58,320
Speaker 2: be in a few scenes here and there, but mostly

1930
01:38:58,439 --> 01:39:01,800
Speaker 2: it's just gonna be an unso provides child walking around

1931
01:39:01,880 --> 01:39:04,799
Speaker 2: and shooting hoops with a dog like Josh, it spends

1932
01:39:04,880 --> 01:39:08,800
Speaker 2: so much time unsupervised by an adult. He's always just

1933
01:39:09,000 --> 01:39:13,680
Speaker 2: loose in the world. The dog is similarly loose, just

1934
01:39:14,320 --> 01:39:15,559
Speaker 2: going all over the place.

1935
01:39:15,880 --> 01:39:19,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's also never explained how Airbud makes it back

1936
01:39:19,960 --> 01:39:22,760
Speaker 5: from that remote island in time for the basketball.

1937
01:39:23,000 --> 01:39:26,679
Speaker 3: This is where mister water Taxi comes in. It's his story.

1938
01:39:27,120 --> 01:39:29,479
Speaker 5: Or maybe he really did just swim the whole expanse

1939
01:39:29,560 --> 01:39:30,519
Speaker 5: of that body of water.

1940
01:39:30,560 --> 01:39:30,880
Speaker 4: I don't know.

1941
01:39:31,040 --> 01:39:36,599
Speaker 5: But yeah, they're both just kind of out there doing whatever,

1942
01:39:36,920 --> 01:39:37,120
Speaker 5: you know.

1943
01:39:37,439 --> 01:39:39,000
Speaker 2: And then we've already touched on this. But like the

1944
01:39:39,080 --> 01:39:43,880
Speaker 2: little sister, even to a lesser extent gets characterized.

1945
01:39:43,280 --> 01:39:45,719
Speaker 3: And just she is ignored.

1946
01:39:46,479 --> 01:39:48,920
Speaker 2: I don't even know her name, oh on Fred, but

1947
01:39:48,960 --> 01:39:51,840
Speaker 2: it's only because I read stuff about the sequels that

1948
01:39:51,920 --> 01:39:52,240
Speaker 2: she's in.

1949
01:39:53,760 --> 01:39:58,720
Speaker 3: She's not based on the Airbud fan YouTube videos I

1950
01:39:58,800 --> 01:40:01,919
Speaker 3: was watching. She is not a fan for a favorite.

1951
01:40:02,000 --> 01:40:05,240
Speaker 3: She's pretty despose. They're not fans of Andrea. They're like,

1952
01:40:05,360 --> 01:40:08,599
Speaker 3: she's a flop. She is bad at but like her brother,

1953
01:40:08,760 --> 01:40:10,680
Speaker 3: she is bad at every sport she tries, which is

1954
01:40:10,720 --> 01:40:12,080
Speaker 3: an interesting creative choice.

1955
01:40:12,439 --> 01:40:13,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, good for her.

1956
01:40:14,120 --> 01:40:18,640
Speaker 3: This family is just like full of losers. Anyways.

1957
01:40:19,240 --> 01:40:20,640
Speaker 2: The other big thing I want to talk about with

1958
01:40:20,720 --> 01:40:24,879
Speaker 2: this movie is its depiction of class, especially in regards

1959
01:40:25,000 --> 01:40:29,320
Speaker 2: to Norm the Clown, because we have maybe the most

1960
01:40:29,400 --> 01:40:34,240
Speaker 2: cartoonish villain of all time in a live action movie,

1961
01:40:34,400 --> 01:40:37,560
Speaker 2: to the point where he's literally a clown. He is

1962
01:40:37,880 --> 01:40:41,519
Speaker 2: abusive to animals, he hates children. There's all this stuff

1963
01:40:41,560 --> 01:40:45,479
Speaker 2: that makes him completely unlikable and unsympathetic to the audience.

1964
01:40:46,160 --> 01:40:49,280
Speaker 2: And on top of that, he is poor, and that's

1965
01:40:49,320 --> 01:40:52,320
Speaker 2: supposed to be another thing that we don't like about him,

1966
01:40:53,080 --> 01:40:55,640
Speaker 2: I think, which is a very common trope I feel like,

1967
01:40:55,800 --> 01:41:00,160
Speaker 2: especially in children's media, but across all media thinks you

1968
01:41:00,200 --> 01:41:03,080
Speaker 2: have like Sid and Toy story he lives on the

1969
01:41:03,280 --> 01:41:06,799
Speaker 2: wrong side of town kind of thing. Yeah, and therefore

1970
01:41:06,880 --> 01:41:10,960
Speaker 2: he's bad. And I feel like the idea here is that,

1971
01:41:11,320 --> 01:41:14,920
Speaker 2: like the character is poor and it's his fault rather

1972
01:41:15,000 --> 01:41:18,200
Speaker 2: than any systemic issue. And I feel like movies like

1973
01:41:18,280 --> 01:41:22,640
Speaker 2: this imply that the character being poor is part of

1974
01:41:23,040 --> 01:41:24,960
Speaker 2: what makes them a bad person.

1975
01:41:25,400 --> 01:41:28,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, Okay, I don't. Can I just okay, look not

1976
01:41:28,880 --> 01:41:32,400
Speaker 4: to be spicy, I agree with all of that. I

1977
01:41:32,520 --> 01:41:35,000
Speaker 4: think that that's a real trope. I think that this

1978
01:41:35,160 --> 01:41:37,920
Speaker 4: movie is certainly engaging in that trope. On the other hand,

1979
01:41:38,080 --> 01:41:41,759
Speaker 4: can I just say to Norm the clown get a real.

1980
01:41:41,720 --> 01:41:45,960
Speaker 5: Job or be a better clown? Right, he's not even

1981
01:41:46,000 --> 01:41:47,560
Speaker 5: committed to his craft, you know.

1982
01:41:47,840 --> 01:41:50,720
Speaker 4: But it's not like he's like I'm you know, I

1983
01:41:50,920 --> 01:41:54,360
Speaker 4: can't work. He's going out and working birthday parties. He

1984
01:41:54,600 --> 01:41:57,080
Speaker 4: just doesn't like it. So he's doing a bad job.

1985
01:41:58,080 --> 01:42:00,360
Speaker 4: Like it's like, I don't know, man, maybe go work

1986
01:42:00,400 --> 01:42:05,240
Speaker 4: at the napkin factory. I'm not saying that any of

1987
01:42:05,320 --> 01:42:06,240
Speaker 4: this is your fault.

1988
01:42:06,800 --> 01:42:08,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess I've kind of followed the middle there,

1989
01:42:08,520 --> 01:42:11,120
Speaker 3: because it is interesting that, like the reason he is

1990
01:42:11,320 --> 01:42:15,839
Speaker 3: poor is ostensibly really because he is an artist quote unquote,

1991
01:42:16,080 --> 01:42:21,160
Speaker 3: like he's in the arts, which many such cases, and

1992
01:42:21,240 --> 01:42:24,280
Speaker 3: also that like he I don't know, there's there's he's

1993
01:42:24,400 --> 01:42:26,720
Speaker 3: just like a pile of tropes and I don't know

1994
01:42:26,800 --> 01:42:28,759
Speaker 3: what to make of him, and the performance is so campy,

1995
01:42:29,080 --> 01:42:31,920
Speaker 3: Like I agree that, like, yeah, the the class tropes

1996
01:42:31,960 --> 01:42:35,439
Speaker 3: are very present, as are that. Like again, it's just

1997
01:42:36,520 --> 01:42:39,800
Speaker 3: adding something that just feels like unnecessarily complicated for the

1998
01:42:39,880 --> 01:42:43,639
Speaker 3: kind of movie. This is making him an alcoholic as well,

1999
01:42:44,439 --> 01:42:48,880
Speaker 3: and like just throwing that in there. I you know,

2000
01:42:49,080 --> 01:42:51,600
Speaker 3: I don't know what to make of him. I do

2001
01:42:51,720 --> 01:42:54,320
Speaker 3: agree that it's like the fact that it's I guess

2002
01:42:54,360 --> 01:42:57,840
Speaker 3: I am like glad that he isn't being given like

2003
01:42:58,439 --> 01:43:03,160
Speaker 3: a working class job to imply that he's a bad person.

2004
01:43:03,360 --> 01:43:06,599
Speaker 3: And we also do have I mean, in Arthur's character,

2005
01:43:06,720 --> 01:43:11,559
Speaker 3: we have another working class character who's subject to many

2006
01:43:11,760 --> 01:43:15,400
Speaker 3: other tropes. I don't know. Yeah, it's like so campy,

2007
01:43:15,439 --> 01:43:18,000
Speaker 3: it over the top that I don't really know what

2008
01:43:18,080 --> 01:43:18,439
Speaker 3: to make of it.

2009
01:43:18,800 --> 01:43:21,560
Speaker 4: How did he get into clowning? Did he used to

2010
01:43:21,640 --> 01:43:23,479
Speaker 4: have a passion for it but he lost it?

2011
01:43:24,000 --> 01:43:26,120
Speaker 5: I mean, he's into clowning enough that he has a

2012
01:43:26,240 --> 01:43:29,840
Speaker 5: custom truck that has a giant, professionally made clown head

2013
01:43:29,960 --> 01:43:30,599
Speaker 5: on the top.

2014
01:43:30,800 --> 01:43:32,360
Speaker 3: So well, yeah, he's invested.

2015
01:43:32,439 --> 01:43:35,880
Speaker 2: He had one, well until he drove it into that length.

2016
01:43:36,040 --> 01:43:37,240
Speaker 3: Was it the family business?

2017
01:43:38,000 --> 01:43:41,120
Speaker 5: Like, yeah, maybe it's speaking of fathers. Maybe his father

2018
01:43:41,320 --> 01:43:43,680
Speaker 5: was moved the whole family to Spokane to force him

2019
01:43:43,680 --> 01:43:46,479
Speaker 5: to go to clown college. Oh, something to think about.

2020
01:43:46,760 --> 01:43:49,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, we don't know. It's just yeah, just one trope

2021
01:43:50,000 --> 01:43:53,800
Speaker 2: on top of the next. And it's all very cartoonish.

2022
01:43:53,840 --> 01:43:59,439
Speaker 2: And again like a character who's struggling with addiction. The

2023
01:43:59,560 --> 01:44:02,000
Speaker 2: movie so so like, and that's also why he's a

2024
01:44:02,080 --> 01:44:04,600
Speaker 2: bad person. And I know that this is a complicated

2025
01:44:04,840 --> 01:44:09,639
Speaker 2: matter where people who are dealing with addiction do behave

2026
01:44:09,840 --> 01:44:13,040
Speaker 2: sometimes in ways that is harmful to themselves and others,

2027
01:44:13,120 --> 01:44:16,800
Speaker 2: But movies like this never approach it with any nuance. Yeah,

2028
01:44:16,800 --> 01:44:18,840
Speaker 2: and it's just like, well, he's an alcoholic and he's poor,

2029
01:44:19,439 --> 01:44:20,160
Speaker 2: therefore bad.

2030
01:44:20,560 --> 01:44:21,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, therefore villain.

2031
01:44:21,920 --> 01:44:24,439
Speaker 4: Also, I'm sorry I said that Arthur might have a

2032
01:44:24,520 --> 01:44:26,400
Speaker 4: gambling problem. I was just trying to I thought that

2033
01:44:26,560 --> 01:44:28,439
Speaker 4: was in the movie. Are you just made that up?

2034
01:44:28,680 --> 01:44:31,880
Speaker 4: I've made that up. I was trying to hypothesize how

2035
01:44:32,960 --> 01:44:35,640
Speaker 4: you lose all of your NBA money, And I.

2036
01:44:35,760 --> 01:44:39,160
Speaker 2: Mean that's what Michael Jordan dealt with in real life, right,

2037
01:44:39,280 --> 01:44:40,679
Speaker 2: so maybe I mean exactly.

2038
01:44:41,160 --> 01:44:44,120
Speaker 5: He says that it's not a gambling problem if you

2039
01:44:44,200 --> 01:44:46,040
Speaker 5: don't run out of money, and he has never run

2040
01:44:46,080 --> 01:44:48,240
Speaker 5: out of money, therefore he doesn't have a problem.

2041
01:44:48,439 --> 01:44:49,400
Speaker 3: That's what he says.

2042
01:44:49,479 --> 01:44:52,080
Speaker 4: And I'm paraphrasing, but that's basically what he said.

2043
01:44:52,240 --> 01:44:53,560
Speaker 3: Addiction is an otherfucker.

2044
01:44:54,160 --> 01:44:56,200
Speaker 5: It's wild out there, folks.

2045
01:44:56,920 --> 01:44:59,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like and I would be so shocked if

2046
01:44:59,840 --> 01:45:03,040
Speaker 3: the writers of this movie were even remotely doing anything

2047
01:45:03,160 --> 01:45:07,479
Speaker 3: but just like pulling well worn tropes out of their

2048
01:45:07,560 --> 01:45:09,000
Speaker 3: ass in that way.

2049
01:45:09,160 --> 01:45:11,400
Speaker 4: But I'd like to say that Arthur could have been

2050
01:45:11,479 --> 01:45:15,360
Speaker 4: swindled by an unscrupulous agent. True, there are many things,

2051
01:45:15,640 --> 01:45:17,000
Speaker 4: many things could have happened to Arthur.

2052
01:45:17,360 --> 01:45:19,320
Speaker 5: I mean, I can't imagine it was a picnic to

2053
01:45:19,479 --> 01:45:23,559
Speaker 5: be a black player and the NBA in nineteen fifty six.

2054
01:45:23,640 --> 01:45:24,599
Speaker 3: Absolutely yeah.

2055
01:45:24,680 --> 01:45:27,559
Speaker 5: And also like shoe deals, endorsement deals, that stuff where

2056
01:45:27,840 --> 01:45:29,960
Speaker 5: athletes actually make most of their money, Like none of

2057
01:45:30,000 --> 01:45:32,640
Speaker 5: that stuff interested until like the seventies and eighties. So

2058
01:45:32,840 --> 01:45:35,240
Speaker 5: that's right, poor Arthur and then but also that he

2059
01:45:35,280 --> 01:45:38,439
Speaker 5: felt like he had to hide his accomplishments from people

2060
01:45:38,560 --> 01:45:40,840
Speaker 5: just it just makes you sad. And then he kind

2061
01:45:40,880 --> 01:45:45,160
Speaker 5: of applies his great wealth of knowledge to help some

2062
01:45:45,560 --> 01:45:48,080
Speaker 5: random I mean, I don't know. Yeah, obviously Josh is

2063
01:45:48,080 --> 01:45:52,040
Speaker 5: going through a lot too, But it's like Arthur heal thyself, sir, you.

2064
01:45:52,080 --> 01:45:55,120
Speaker 3: Know it really is. Yeah, like Arthur could be there's

2065
01:45:55,160 --> 01:45:59,960
Speaker 3: a whole separate, very overly serious family drama about Arthur

2066
01:46:00,080 --> 01:46:02,280
Speaker 3: her but it's just sort of left on the table

2067
01:46:03,040 --> 01:46:07,240
Speaker 3: there not so much about norm I don't know. I

2068
01:46:07,280 --> 01:46:09,280
Speaker 3: don't know if there's if there's enough runway for a

2069
01:46:09,360 --> 01:46:11,880
Speaker 3: full movie there maybe though I don't know, there's maybe

2070
01:46:11,920 --> 01:46:13,479
Speaker 3: a bobcat gold White movie in there.

2071
01:46:13,640 --> 01:46:16,320
Speaker 4: I don't Yeah, absolutely, yeah.

2072
01:46:16,120 --> 01:46:18,559
Speaker 2: I mean, isn't that kind of what Baskets is about?

2073
01:46:18,880 --> 01:46:22,000
Speaker 3: There you go, there you go, Yeah, there's it's like

2074
01:46:22,200 --> 01:46:24,639
Speaker 3: it's frustrating, but it's like I love, I love being

2075
01:46:24,680 --> 01:46:26,920
Speaker 3: shown a trophy character when they're when they're doing something

2076
01:46:27,000 --> 01:46:28,920
Speaker 3: with it. But that's not the kind of movie where

2077
01:46:29,040 --> 01:46:32,080
Speaker 3: we're really watching. No, except with regards to Golden Retrievers,

2078
01:46:32,120 --> 01:46:33,160
Speaker 3: in which case we.

2079
01:46:33,240 --> 01:46:35,800
Speaker 5: Got a real nuanced look at what dogs are capable of.

2080
01:46:35,960 --> 01:46:38,320
Speaker 5: I think so true in this film.

2081
01:46:38,360 --> 01:46:38,840
Speaker 3: It's true.

2082
01:46:39,040 --> 01:46:43,400
Speaker 2: Another another trophy character I felt was the judge. At

2083
01:46:43,439 --> 01:46:46,280
Speaker 2: the end, it felt like a lot of ageist tropes

2084
01:46:46,560 --> 01:46:50,280
Speaker 2: were happening there where, Like, yes, he can't see, he

2085
01:46:50,439 --> 01:46:53,479
Speaker 2: can't hear, he doesn't seem to understand what's going on

2086
01:46:53,680 --> 01:46:55,599
Speaker 2: around him. He's horrible at his job.

2087
01:46:55,760 --> 01:47:00,680
Speaker 5: However, speaking of having controversial takes about judges, specifically, if

2088
01:47:00,720 --> 01:47:04,080
Speaker 5: you have been appointed for life to a judge ship

2089
01:47:05,000 --> 01:47:07,560
Speaker 5: and you don't know where you are or what's going on,

2090
01:47:07,760 --> 01:47:11,479
Speaker 5: please retire, and please retire when Barack Obama is president.

2091
01:47:12,120 --> 01:47:14,880
Speaker 3: A judge of any stature at any time, Yes.

2092
01:47:15,920 --> 01:47:18,719
Speaker 5: If you could just go ahead and not wait until

2093
01:47:18,760 --> 01:47:21,960
Speaker 5: Donald Trump is president to retire, slash Die, that would

2094
01:47:21,960 --> 01:47:23,040
Speaker 5: help us all out a great deal.

2095
01:47:23,520 --> 01:47:24,960
Speaker 4: Thank you, just throwing that.

2096
01:47:25,040 --> 01:47:26,879
Speaker 5: It does not about age, it's about ability.

2097
01:47:27,280 --> 01:47:30,080
Speaker 3: We'll just put it that way, the ability to judge.

2098
01:47:30,280 --> 01:47:32,200
Speaker 5: Just throwing that out there, this judge.

2099
01:47:32,960 --> 01:47:34,519
Speaker 3: It's so funny because it's like you don't even need

2100
01:47:34,560 --> 01:47:36,960
Speaker 3: those tropes because the character.

2101
01:47:36,680 --> 01:47:39,840
Speaker 2: Like the situation is goofy enough, and I just love

2102
01:47:39,920 --> 01:47:40,080
Speaker 2: that the.

2103
01:47:40,120 --> 01:47:42,040
Speaker 3: Characters like I don't give a fuck, I'm gonna do

2104
01:47:42,080 --> 01:47:45,040
Speaker 3: it feel as good, Like that's that's fun enough on

2105
01:47:45,200 --> 01:47:47,920
Speaker 3: its own, like him just being like whatever today is,

2106
01:47:48,240 --> 01:47:52,120
Speaker 3: I'm today doesn't count. Today's a silly one, Like that's

2107
01:47:52,240 --> 01:47:53,320
Speaker 3: fun today.

2108
01:47:53,400 --> 01:47:55,360
Speaker 5: We're making a TikTok on the front lawn of the.

2109
01:48:00,280 --> 01:48:01,920
Speaker 2: We talked a little bit about the sequels, But the

2110
01:48:01,960 --> 01:48:04,080
Speaker 2: thing I was curious about them is that because I

2111
01:48:04,160 --> 01:48:06,080
Speaker 2: knew nothing about I don't know if it was the

2112
01:48:06,120 --> 01:48:09,599
Speaker 2: same cast, even the same dog. You know, I knew nothing,

2113
01:48:10,160 --> 01:48:15,360
Speaker 2: and I was curious about is it ever girls playing sports? Yes,

2114
01:48:15,560 --> 01:48:20,000
Speaker 2: And the answer is kind of so. Air Bud Golden Receiver,

2115
01:48:20,240 --> 01:48:23,799
Speaker 2: the sequel that immediately follows this one, is about American

2116
01:48:23,840 --> 01:48:26,800
Speaker 2: football and it seems to be all boys. Air Bud

2117
01:48:27,080 --> 01:48:31,880
Speaker 2: World Pup is the soccer slash real football movie where

2118
01:48:32,000 --> 01:48:34,719
Speaker 2: it is a co ed team, but it does seem

2119
01:48:34,720 --> 01:48:37,080
Speaker 2: to be mostly boys. There is I think at least

2120
01:48:37,120 --> 01:48:39,639
Speaker 2: one girl on the team. Maybe she is the only one.

2121
01:48:39,760 --> 01:48:41,559
Speaker 2: I didn't watch the movie, hard to say.

2122
01:48:41,800 --> 01:48:45,360
Speaker 3: And then when the focus comes to Andrea, then we.

2123
01:48:45,439 --> 01:48:48,759
Speaker 2: Got to say. In the next one, Seventh Inning Fetch,

2124
01:48:48,920 --> 01:48:52,680
Speaker 2: which is the baseball movie, again seems to be a

2125
01:48:52,760 --> 01:48:56,200
Speaker 2: co ed team. But I was scrubbing through the movie

2126
01:48:56,280 --> 01:48:59,080
Speaker 2: on Disney Plus and it is seems to be mostly

2127
01:48:59,200 --> 01:49:04,920
Speaker 2: boys again, and then then the next one is Airbud

2128
01:49:05,640 --> 01:49:10,120
Speaker 2: Spikes Back. The Volleyball movie also a co ed team,

2129
01:49:10,240 --> 01:49:13,439
Speaker 2: although it almost doesn't seem like an official like like

2130
01:49:13,560 --> 01:49:15,680
Speaker 2: a school sports team. I think they're just sort of

2131
01:49:15,760 --> 01:49:20,720
Speaker 2: like casually playing beach volleyball, and Airbud gets involved. I

2132
01:49:20,800 --> 01:49:24,800
Speaker 2: can't really tell. But this one also centers Andrea, Josh's sister,

2133
01:49:24,880 --> 01:49:29,480
Speaker 2: so girls do get more meaningfully involved in the franchise

2134
01:49:29,520 --> 01:49:30,200
Speaker 2: as it goes.

2135
01:49:30,040 --> 01:49:32,360
Speaker 3: On the Hairbud universe, but it is.

2136
01:49:32,439 --> 01:49:37,400
Speaker 2: Still mostly centering boys playing sports and dogs playing sports.

2137
01:49:37,840 --> 01:49:38,880
Speaker 4: Is the dog ever a girl?

2138
01:49:39,800 --> 01:49:44,360
Speaker 3: So no, Airbud gets a girl friend and they literally

2139
01:49:44,439 --> 01:49:47,240
Speaker 3: missus Airbud hert. As far as I know, missus Arabud

2140
01:49:47,320 --> 01:49:51,320
Speaker 3: does not play sports. She's a stay at home missus Airbud.

2141
01:49:51,600 --> 01:49:53,479
Speaker 3: I'm not totally sure. I do know that in the

2142
01:49:53,560 --> 01:49:57,160
Speaker 3: third or fourth one he gets a girl friend, and then.

2143
01:49:57,120 --> 01:50:00,439
Speaker 2: I think that's world puffs pro pup okay, believe you.

2144
01:50:01,360 --> 01:50:04,360
Speaker 3: And then he I don't like how they talk about

2145
01:50:04,400 --> 01:50:09,760
Speaker 3: dogs having babies. He sires puppies sires, that's nasty. But

2146
01:50:09,880 --> 01:50:12,639
Speaker 3: he does he does have puppies who become the stars

2147
01:50:12,680 --> 01:50:14,000
Speaker 3: of air Buddies.

2148
01:50:14,800 --> 01:50:19,120
Speaker 5: I see, I see, well, the legacy of title nine

2149
01:50:19,200 --> 01:50:21,360
Speaker 5: is in tatters in the Airbud universe.

2150
01:50:21,360 --> 01:50:22,720
Speaker 3: It's true. It's true.

2151
01:50:22,800 --> 01:50:24,759
Speaker 2: Title nine more like K nine?

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Speaker 5: What is?

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Speaker 3: And there it is?

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Speaker 2: I don't have anything else to say about the movie.

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Speaker 5: I just want to say that this was a gift.

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Speaker 5: I know we have a lot of fraught feelings about

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Speaker 5: the ethics of Airbud, but boy, I haven't laughed like

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Speaker 5: that in months. I think Airbud cured my very severe depression.

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Speaker 5: Glad to him, I say, I salute to Airbud and

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Speaker 5: his progeny.

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Speaker 4: I salute you.

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Speaker 5: Oh so a very funny movie. I laughed a lot.

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Speaker 2: Does anyone have anything else they want to talk about?

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Speaker 4: Well? Are we going to talk about the Bechdel Test?

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Speaker 4: Because I have something to say about that.

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Speaker 5: Did anyone? Did anyone pass?

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Speaker 3: Honestly, I wasn't really paying attention.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if this counts, but because I actually

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Speaker 4: didn't clock the the mom on the phone, so I

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Speaker 4: guess it could have been.

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Speaker 5: I don't think that counts because she wasn't.

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Speaker 2: We don't see we don't hear the grandmother speaking.

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Speaker 4: Okay, so to me, the only one I noticed is

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Speaker 4: when they first get to the new house and the

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Speaker 4: mom says to both kids, so what do you think?

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Speaker 4: What do you think?

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Speaker 5: So?

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Speaker 4: What do you what do you think of the house?

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Speaker 3: Does that count?

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Speaker 2: Does little baby Andrea respond?

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Speaker 4: She kind of goes, ah, I think it counts. I can't.

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Speaker 5: I can't.

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Speaker 3: I don't think. Usually then we'll kick it to like

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Speaker 3: does it spiritually pass? And I just feel like, no,

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Speaker 3: way doesn't spiritually pass.

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Speaker 4: Like there's a part when the mom talks to the principal,

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Speaker 4: except they're talking about Josh and his dad and his

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Speaker 4: dad Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Exploded father.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, I think that's a no on the Bechdel test.

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Speaker 4: But I kind of I'm standing by mind where the

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Speaker 4: mom asks the baby if she likes the apartment?

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Speaker 2: Okay, fair for fair.

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Speaker 4: I think that was pretty good.

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Speaker 3: I just wanted to throw in here really quick, because

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Speaker 3: we sometimes, I don't know, sometimes enemy sometimes. Friend of

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Speaker 3: the show Roger Ebert gave this movie three stars, which.

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Speaker 5: I just thought was very out of three out of

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Speaker 5: four out of.

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Speaker 3: Four, pretty high spore and his whole I do like

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Speaker 3: his reviews that are like this. He's like, look, I

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01:52:36,360 --> 01:52:38,439
Speaker 3: went in expected to have a bad time, and I

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01:52:38,640 --> 01:52:40,519
Speaker 3: was moved yep, and so and so I have no

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Speaker 3: choice but to give it three stars. I was like,

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Speaker 3: good for you, Good for you for recognizing.

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Speaker 4: That's how I feel. I agree he's right on.

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Speaker 5: My only disagreement is that I would give it four.

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Speaker 2: Well, speaking of giving the movie a number of things

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Speaker 2: on a scale, so it's our nipple scale. We rate

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Speaker 2: the movie zero to five nipples based on examining the

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Speaker 2: movie through an intersectional feminist lens. And while this is

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Speaker 2: a romp and while this has some great dog acting

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Speaker 2: and basketball abilities, I would say on the nipple scale

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Speaker 2: it gets one nipple because there a mom is there.

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Speaker 2: But based on all the things we've talked about regarding

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Speaker 2: tropes surrounding poor characters and black characters and everything that

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Speaker 2: we've discussed, Yeah, I think only one nipple, and I

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Speaker 2: will give it to Buddy the Dog.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I would give it. I would give

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Speaker 4: it two, although I'm not super familiar with the scale,

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Speaker 4: so I could be off. But I just feel like

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Speaker 4: thinking about the era and like the time that we

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Speaker 4: grew up in, and like there's so much media that

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Speaker 4: is that doesn't just use tropes but is like overtly

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Speaker 4: offensive truth and like degrading and derogatory and what. It

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01:54:01,479 --> 01:54:03,600
Speaker 4: doesn't have any of that. It's just sort of like

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Speaker 4: ideologically insensitive and clumsy.

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Speaker 5: I think, I guess maybe the Bars on the Ground

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Speaker 5: for media that came out in the nineties. But it's

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Speaker 5: like a lot of stuff you can't go back and

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01:54:16,680 --> 01:54:20,240
Speaker 5: watch because there's like the use of slurs and just

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Speaker 5: like wild comments about people's weight or whatever, like really

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01:54:25,800 --> 01:54:30,000
Speaker 5: out of pocket jokes that are just like completely racially

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Speaker 5: based or just outright racist or whatever. And so like

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Speaker 5: a lot of the issues that I if you even

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Speaker 5: want to call them issues, I cannot emphasize enough.

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Speaker 4: I love this movie so much.

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Speaker 2: I really loved it.

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Speaker 5: It's like stuff that you learn about later, like when

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Speaker 5: you go to college, and then when you rewatch something,

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01:54:45,520 --> 01:54:47,360
Speaker 5: you're like, oh, that's that trope I learned about in

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Speaker 5: my film studies class, which I took, by the way,

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01:54:51,800 --> 01:54:54,880
Speaker 5: you know, So like, yeah, is there this like sort

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01:54:54,920 --> 01:54:59,680
Speaker 5: of ridiculous and often harmful magical negro trope?

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Speaker 4: Yes?

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01:55:00,360 --> 01:55:01,560
Speaker 5: Is it the worst one I've ever seen?

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01:55:02,600 --> 01:55:03,280
Speaker 2: Not by far?

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01:55:03,920 --> 01:55:06,080
Speaker 5: You know what I mean? So it's like I'm on

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Speaker 5: a human scale, I'm given it four stars. On the

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Speaker 5: feminist intersectional scale, I will also I will give it

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01:55:14,000 --> 01:55:17,960
Speaker 5: too as well, because to Lindy's point, there was nothing

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01:55:18,080 --> 01:55:23,600
Speaker 5: happening in it where that was like active pointed, like

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01:55:23,680 --> 01:55:26,600
Speaker 5: stuff where you couldn't show it to a kid today,

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Speaker 5: which a lot of stuff from that era fits into

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Speaker 5: that category, like you can't show it to a child

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Speaker 5: because they're.

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Speaker 3: Like, oh god, you watched this.

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Speaker 2: Yeah totally.

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Speaker 5: There's nothing really like that that happens in air. But

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Speaker 5: it's just sort of like an absentee mother.

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Speaker 2: Really, I'm just too busy at the napkin factory.

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Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, And like I really and.

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Speaker 5: They could have done a much better job giving coach

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Speaker 5: Arthur Cheney a full, nuanced and inner rich life and

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01:55:53,480 --> 01:55:55,040
Speaker 5: they don't do that, which is too bad.

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Speaker 4: I thought maybe the mom and Arthur were gonna get together.

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Speaker 5: Hello.

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Speaker 4: That was one of the things.

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Speaker 3: I just get it, like it's giving the movie credit

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01:56:01,760 --> 01:56:03,800
Speaker 3: for what it doesn't do versus what it does. But

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Speaker 3: I was surprised that they did toss in a boyfriend

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01:56:06,720 --> 01:56:08,800
Speaker 3: I guess would be pretty insensitive due to her husband

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Speaker 3: just exploded. But a lot a lot of movies would,

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Speaker 3: A lot of movies would, and that eventually does have.

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Speaker 3: That happens literally in the next movie is she meets

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Speaker 3: a new guy right away and she's like, I'm over it.

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01:56:21,600 --> 01:56:24,840
Speaker 3: I'm over it, Enter Patrick, I'm gonna be a coward

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01:56:24,880 --> 01:56:27,320
Speaker 3: and split the difference at one and a half. Okay,

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01:56:28,400 --> 01:56:31,720
Speaker 3: and that's going to be my choice. I want to

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Speaker 3: say one more thing that I think that the true

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01:56:34,160 --> 01:56:36,760
Speaker 3: villains of this franchise, if we're talking about people that

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01:56:37,440 --> 01:56:43,680
Speaker 3: are like profiting off of animal performers with animal standards,

2284
01:56:43,680 --> 01:56:47,520
Speaker 3: to get worse and worse as time goes on. Two

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Speaker 3: brothers produced this movie, which I always find to be

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Speaker 3: a little bit evil show business brothers. I just don't

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Speaker 3: like it. The Vince brothers, Robert Vince and William Vince.

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Speaker 3: They have William Vince has produced like real movies quote

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Speaker 3: unquote no offense, but like uh like he produced movies

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Speaker 3: we've covered on the show. He produced Saved, he produced Capoti,

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01:57:12,960 --> 01:57:18,440
Speaker 3: whereas Robert Vince especially seems to have made a fortune

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Speaker 3: exploiting animals for movies. He produced MVP Most Valuable Primate,

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Speaker 3: He did all the air buds, including the one where

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Speaker 3: five puppies died and more recently has been doing stuff

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01:57:31,560 --> 01:57:34,680
Speaker 3: called like monkey up pop Star. Like It's like, this

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01:57:34,840 --> 01:57:37,560
Speaker 3: is someone who probably like owns a house in Beverly

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Speaker 3: Hills based on exploiting animals.

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Speaker 5: So I know he hated to watch Chimp Crazy, that documentary.

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Speaker 4: Ringing.

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Speaker 3: So that's the last. Yeah, I just would saying those

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Speaker 3: guys freak me out. Also, just in general, brothers freaked

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Speaker 3: me out.

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Speaker 4: Conceptually, I think boo to brothers.

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01:57:58,800 --> 01:58:01,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, I give z Rowe nipples to brothers.

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Speaker 3: I don't like movies about brothers. I don't like I

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01:58:04,960 --> 01:58:07,280
Speaker 3: don't know my fiance has a brother. I'm like, don't

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Speaker 3: hang out with them. Like, yeah, it's a scary bond

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Speaker 3: break up. Some human bonds should not be preserved totally.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh well, thanks, thank you to the both of

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Speaker 2: you for being here. What would you like to plug?

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Speaker 5: the editor will cut this out, but you may have

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Speaker 5: heard my dog, Kevin barking in the background of this

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Speaker 3: You carefully chose your worst there.

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Speaker 5: He came from hell and I love him so much,

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Speaker 5: Yep, I don't. I'm not here to exploit Kevin and

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Speaker 5: make him do stuff he doesn't want to do, you

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Speaker 5: know what I mean?

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