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Speaker 1: This is Straight Fire with Jason McIntyre. What is up

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Speaker 1: Straight Fiream, It's me Jason MacIntyre. Straight Foyer for Friday,

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Speaker 1: August the eighth. Oh it boos out. It was a

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Speaker 1: bustling night on the sports scene.

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Speaker 2: Holy key. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: NFL games. And here's the thing. I don't know if

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Speaker 3: you guys noticed NFL preseason. It's hitting different this year

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Speaker 3: because starting quarterbacks are actually playing. Now that's a good thing.

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry, I let you amend that starting quarterbacks are

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Speaker 3: playing for teams that have question marks.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Lamar Jackson did not play.

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Speaker 3: We don't expect him to play, doesn't need to play,

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Speaker 3: got nothing to prove, right, I you know, Saturday night,

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Speaker 3: I don't expect Jordan Love to be taking snaps. He might,

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Speaker 3: but I just don't know that there's value there. Jared Goff,

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Speaker 3: I don't.

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Speaker 2: I don't know that.

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Speaker 3: You know, these are established guys, but you get a

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Speaker 3: guy like a I don't know, Anthony Richardson and you

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Speaker 2: To see what he's got. Right.

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Speaker 3: This is your former top five pick. He's had a

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Speaker 3: couple of years here. Shane Stikeen trying to whip him

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Speaker 2: And it's like.

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Speaker 3: First quarter Anthony Richardson with two starting backup tackles. Okay,

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Speaker 3: I think backups all along the offensive line. But the

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Speaker 3: tackles are the reason I bring it up because you

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Speaker 3: know there was motion. One tackle misses the free runner

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Speaker 3: Ojabo I believe is his name. I think he went

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Speaker 3: to Michigan, and then the running back out of the

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Speaker 3: backfield just runs right by him. Richardson, the quarterback sees

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Speaker 3: none of this, gets buried initially.

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Speaker 2: Slow to get up.

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Speaker 3: Oh Jesus, his shoulders, his arm turns out dislocated.

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Speaker 2: Pinky.

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Speaker 3: They just popped it back in NBD. But he did

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Speaker 3: not go back on the field. And folks, listen, I

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Speaker 3: know it's just preseason. I really want to give this

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Speaker 3: guy chance, but man, ar my guy, Yeah, I'm just yeah,

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Speaker 3: I mean, how many chances.

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Speaker 2: Are you gonna get?

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Speaker 3: Like this is exactly the opportunity Anthony Richardson wants, right,

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Speaker 3: he is picked by his coach.

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Speaker 2: We're giving you the shot.

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Speaker 3: Daniel Jones has to has to take you down, has

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Speaker 3: to win the job. We're giving you the first crack.

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Speaker 3: And like that's your first impression this year. It's like,

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Speaker 3: are you seeing growth? I didn't see it on that

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Speaker 2: Is it fair to put him out there with backups?

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Speaker 2: You could argue not, but.

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Speaker 3: I mean we're talking about a preseason game, you know,

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Speaker 3: like it's not the end of the world. Like Shadure

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Speaker 3: Sanders is gonna play tonight. He hasn't played with the ones.

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Speaker 3: I don't think once in camp. I think he's played

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Speaker 3: Chadour's gonna be out there with all backups. I don't

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Speaker 3: expect much tonight. But Chador is also a fifth round rookie.

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Speaker 3: Anthony Richardson was a top five picked.

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Speaker 2: This is his I think his third year in the league.

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Speaker 3: We're still waiting for Anthony Richardson to pop, And it's like,

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Speaker 2: So you guys know, I got to FS one. I

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Speaker 3: This show Speak for Yourself, and it was Cowherd, this

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Speaker 3: guy is Gey, this insufferable guy named Jason Whitlock, and

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Speaker 3: I thought it was kind of easy. Yeah, just doing

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Speaker 4: This is what I do.

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Speaker 2: You know, come on, it's not that hard talking sports.

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Speaker 2: I can do it.

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Speaker 3: I'm a talker cow heard all of a sudden is

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Speaker 3: I thought it went smooth. I was like, oh, this

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Speaker 2: The producers after where we're like, dude, you just got

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Speaker 3: Ready on the spot. You know, I've felt great. The

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Speaker 2: I was like, what I did? Okay?

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Speaker 3: Everybody on the staff, Jay Mac, what what a great

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Speaker 3: job they made this video for me with my highlights

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Speaker 3: like it was. I had a great three days. That

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Speaker 3: one to easily distance himself from Daniel Jones. Now Stichen's

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Speaker 3: giving both of them a chance. And it's like Richardson

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Speaker 3: showed ain't a damn thing in his opportunity. So now

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Speaker 3: Daniel Jones has all this runway. He's like, I'm playing

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Speaker 3: with house money. I'm just trying to elongate my career.

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Speaker 3: I had my chance in New York, I got to

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Speaker 2: I like to do more.

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Speaker 3: And I don't know you just again, first impressions matter.

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Speaker 3: And Anthony Richardson did not make a good one rob

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Speaker 4: I mean, has he made one at all entering his

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Speaker 4: NFL career. I don't want to pile on the guy.

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Speaker 4: I don't want to pile on the guy. But you

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Speaker 4: know that's saying like the NBA, get ready to learn Chinese, buddy,

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Speaker 4: Nathey Richardson, get ready to learn Canadian football, buddy, because

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Speaker 4: you're gonna be out of the league here relatively quickly.

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Speaker 2: Should he get his Canadian passport.

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Speaker 4: He might have to. He might have to. He might

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Speaker 4: learn to start pronouncing Trudeau correct wow. Because that play

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Speaker 4: where he got injured with his finger, which he'll be fine,

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Speaker 4: be sore for a couple of days, but he'd be fine.

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Speaker 4: Was some of the most basic, rudimentary, nowadays high school

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Speaker 4: level quarterbacking that you'll ever see. We slide protection one way.

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Speaker 4: We know there's gonna be a free rusher. That means, hey,

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Speaker 4: there's a running back out of the backfield, flip it

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Speaker 4: the complete wrong He's looking in the direction where his

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Speaker 4: as you mentioned, an ongoing problem for him. All Right,

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Speaker 4: he has appeared in fifteen games now as an NFL quarterback.

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Speaker 4: In fifteen games, my guy has already accounted for what

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Speaker 4: Nine times he's completed less than fifty percent of his passes.

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Speaker 4: Anthony Richardson is that rare guy where if you look

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Speaker 4: you think you were looking at an Adonis, that you

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Speaker 4: the greatest football player who ever lived. He's six y five,

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Speaker 4: he's two fifty. He can throw the ball eighty yards,

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Speaker 4: an athlete. The problem is he has no idea what's

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Speaker 4: a ride to play quarterback, and the fact that Daniel

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Speaker 4: Jones Danny Dives aka Danny Pennies is leaps and bounds

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Speaker 4: better than him as a quarterback, speaks volumes about him.

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Speaker 4: Anthy Richardson, I'm glad he's healthy. I'm sure he's gonna

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Speaker 4: be fine here in a couple of days. As I mentioned,

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Speaker 4: that's the most important thing. But he's not an NFL quarterback.

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Speaker 4: He's one of that weird situation where it's clear, and

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Speaker 4: it's been clear now for about a year that he's

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Speaker 4: in this weird space where he's clearly not good enough

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Speaker 4: get any better unless he actually plays. So like I said,

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Speaker 4: get ready to learn Canadian.

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Speaker 3: That seems a little excessive, but you might be onto something.

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Speaker 3: I mean at some point, Stichen's got to be like, listen, man,

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Speaker 2: I don't know?

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Speaker 3: Nine ten wins and we had ta on the podcast,

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Speaker 3: I went through his Colt's preview. I did not realize

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Speaker 3: this rob last year. So the Colts were eight and nine,

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Speaker 3: but according to all the metrics, they were much worse

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Speaker 3: score games. The receivers can't catch a cold. The offensive

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Speaker 2: Can Daniel Jones do that? When Tennessee clearly got better?

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Speaker 3: When I believe Jacksonville got better and they'll have a

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Speaker 3: healthy Trevor Lawrence Houston, I don't think got better, but

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Speaker 4: That's totally fair. Well, I won't say it's fair, but

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Speaker 4: point blank period. And we've seen guys get fired for

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Speaker 4: less and in a scenario where we assume, in this situation,

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Speaker 4: assuming somewhere in the top five, if not number one.

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Speaker 4: You know, maybe if the Colts get number one, Archie

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Speaker 4: go play where Peyton played, then maybe that changes the calculus.

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Speaker 4: But I wouldn't be surprised if we're this time next

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Speaker 4: Not at all.

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Speaker 3: I mean that that was the big takeaway from last night, Skames,

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Speaker 3: I thought, and Rob I actually found myself watching preseason

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Speaker 3: football very rare, very rare. By the way, in that game,

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Speaker 3: the Baltimore Ravens quarterbacks Devin Leary I think he was

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Speaker 3: they won the football game. I mean they rushed for

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Speaker 3: a buck. Seventy seven Colts put up no resistance. But

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Speaker 3: Riley Leonard, by the way, looked basically like he just

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Speaker 3: not not built for the NFL. Checked down Charlie twenty

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Speaker 3: four pass attempts from ninety two yards like bro, jeez.

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Speaker 2: Yeah a culture. They're down bad, as the kids like

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Speaker 4: Quickly, before we move on, we're talking about the AFC South.

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Speaker 4: We didn't even talk about this focus Star recording. I

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Speaker 4: was speaking to somebody close to the Jacksonville Jaguars organization

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Speaker 4: I say it on my hey, between you and me,

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Speaker 4: I know you'll never say it publicly, but what's the

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Speaker 3: Not as huge of a deal, but Joe Burrow played.

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Speaker 3: They looked super crisp. Uh. If you're into preseason drives,

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Speaker 3: They made Tanner McKee, the immortal Tanner McKee basically look

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Speaker 2: Like this, this crap cannot continue to happen.

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Speaker 3: I'm putting my life on the line. I'm crushing it.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so, and he's carving up the Bengals.

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Speaker 3: I haven't looked to see how many Bengals defenders played,

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Speaker 4: Jamar Chase is in the conversation, the best wide receiver

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Speaker 3: I was looking at Ta's preview, And the weirdest part

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Speaker 2: That's it historically bad and all you do is change

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Speaker 4: And that's with a guy who had seventeen and a

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Speaker 3: So I wouldn't mind it if the Bengals struggled and

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Speaker 3: Texas Monthly, a pretty well regarded outlet in Texas did

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Speaker 3: this huge story on Arch Manning, very lengthy. I highly

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Speaker 2: I took notes.

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Speaker 3: And the big take the biggest takeaway from everything besides

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Speaker 3: Rob let me give you this. Arch Manning goes to

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Speaker 3: there's nothing left to prove. Don't give me this back

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Speaker 4: It's dumb.

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Speaker 2: That's a college football.

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Speaker 5: That's dumb.

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Speaker 2: But then il is not happening. Okay, so.

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Speaker 3: The offensive line has here's the next one. The offensive

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Speaker 3: crap teams, but it's not an amazing season, and they

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Speaker 3: win eight games. Arch is kind of beat up behind

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Speaker 3: this offensive line. No injuries, but he's kind of beat

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Speaker 3: up and you know they win. Let's just say they

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Speaker 3: win eight to ten games, they don't make the playoff.

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Speaker 3: Does Arch return rob Ooh maybe I've got unfinished business.

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Speaker 3: But oh my gosh, right back my knee. But he's

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Speaker 3: getting his ass kick back there.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. Now you hit me with this one.

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Speaker 3: I was gonna say, let's say the Cowboys get the

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Speaker 3: number one pick and everybody loves Arch. I mean, he

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Speaker 3: wants to play for the Cowboys. He played for the Cowboys.

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Speaker 3: But you just said something fascinating. What if the Colts

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Speaker 3: are so bad they get the number one pick. There's

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Speaker 3: a world where Arch doesn't get to pick his head coach.

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Speaker 3: But hey, we're gonna blow out Stiching and we get

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Speaker 3: to hand pick whoever the hell we want you who

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Speaker 3: wants to work with Arch Manny who's respected?

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Speaker 2: Nick Saban.

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Speaker 3: I don't think that would happen, but basically, the best

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Speaker 3: of the best come on down. Does he go to

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Speaker 3: the NFL there, I don't care what the stats were

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Speaker 3: or whatever, but everybody agrees Arch he's gonna go number

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Speaker 3: one based on trades and family blah blah blah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I think that as much as their

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Speaker 4: season is going to dictate a lot of this and

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Speaker 4: what happens in again still picking them at upset Ohio

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Speaker 4: State even though it's what is it? They're ranked number one?

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Speaker 4: So is that taking an upset? I don't know. But

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Speaker 4: so much of this decision, if not most of it,

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Speaker 4: is going to depend on who's piggy number one. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: because if like the popular name that was leaked out

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Speaker 4: over the last few weeks and maybe last month or

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Speaker 4: so was the Saints. Everyone's expecting the Saints to be terrible.

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Speaker 2: They're bad.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if you've seen that the Tyler Shook reports. No,

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Speaker 4: that's not good. I mean they're they're calling him easily

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Speaker 4: what third string behind the immortal Spencer Rattler and a

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Speaker 4: player to be named later, Like that's how bad.

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Speaker 5: He hold on?

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Speaker 2: What's like?

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Speaker 3: You, So Tyler Shook is the guy who's like twenty six,

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Speaker 3: twenty seven years old? Right?

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Speaker 4: Correct?

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Speaker 2: Okay, so you know that.

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Speaker 3: This is gonna sound so nerdy, rob you you read

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Speaker 3: the Peyton Sean Payton story with Seth Wickersham, right, Yes? Okay,

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Speaker 3: So Peyton talks about a formula of negative plays that

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Speaker 3: comes up with the score for these college quarterbacks and

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Speaker 3: bow Knicks had the low WOR score than anybody. So

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Speaker 3: for fun, I kind of tinkered with chat GPT and

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Speaker 3: kept putting formulas in until I matched the numbers that

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Speaker 3: were in the article. So I got the formula, but

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Speaker 3: I put in Tyler Shook just to see. I put

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Speaker 3: in the quarterbacks that were in this past draft. The

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Speaker 3: lowest was Jackson Dart. I'm talking high quarterble Jackson Dart

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Speaker 3: eight point eight, which is actually better than Caleb Williams

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Speaker 3: score from that article. Then came cam Ward at ten

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Speaker 3: point seven, then Shadoor Sanders at eleven, and Tyler Shook

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Speaker 3: at fourteen. So to your point, if Tyler Shook is

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Speaker 3: the third stringer stinks it up, they blow, they're gonna

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Speaker 3: be in the mix of the number because we've seen

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Speaker 3: Spencer Raller, he's.

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Speaker 4: No good, right. Yeah. So again, if it's New Orleans,

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Speaker 4: I know that the romantic thing is Archie Manning played there,

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Speaker 4: But that franchise is in a really awkward re building

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Speaker 4: phase because of their cap situation and because of their

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Speaker 4: coaching situation, like they're they might be in the least

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Speaker 4: desirable spot when you factor in what their current roster

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Speaker 4: is and their ability to be flexible moving forward. So

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Speaker 4: I don't think that would be the team. Jimmy Haslam

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Speaker 4: mentioned that, hey, I think arch is coming back after

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Speaker 4: two years because you know the link between the Haslms

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Speaker 4: and the Mannings with the Browns and all that stuff.

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Speaker 4: If Cleveland's picking number one, I don't think he comes out. Well, okay,

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Speaker 4: just because it's Cleveland. I mean, historically Cleveland does not

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Speaker 4: do a good job with quarterbacks. And then you keep

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Speaker 4: moving down the list and you're like, well, I mean,

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Speaker 4: the Giants already got their quarterback. You know, the Bears

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Speaker 4: already got their quarterback, the Falcons got their quarterback. I

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Speaker 4: don't think Carolina is a sexy enough team, And to me,

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Speaker 4: it really comes down to two teams. Then at that point,

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Speaker 4: one of them who I think and we agree is

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Speaker 4: going to be bad, which is Indianapolis Colts. The other

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Speaker 4: one is a team that we think is going to

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Speaker 4: be very good, but their quarterback situation has been murky

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Speaker 4: for the last two years. There seems to be some

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Speaker 4: bad blood there between the quarterback and the front office.

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Speaker 4: Not to mention your quarterback's thirty seven years old, Not

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Speaker 4: to mention he has a herniated disk in his back

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Speaker 4: and he hasn't practiced all off season. Who's to say?

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Speaker 4: The La Rams playing in the NFC West, and everyone

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Speaker 4: seems to love Arizona Cardinals. Everyone agrees the forty nine

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Speaker 4: has got a slaf schedule. Maybe they take a step

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Speaker 4: back because Stafford's hurt and they got to play Stetson

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Speaker 4: Bennett or whoever. And they limp their way to four

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Speaker 4: and thirteen, five and twelve and they got that second

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Speaker 4: first round pick. Do you think that then the Mannings say, hey,

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Speaker 4: if you can find a way to move up from

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Speaker 4: number four to number one or whatever it's gonna take,

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Speaker 4: we would love this. End Arch to La with Sean McVay.

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Speaker 3: I just find a hard time somebody handing McVeigh arch Manning.

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Speaker 3: But it is interesting. I have a note here on

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Speaker 3: what you said. So you said if the Browns are

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Speaker 3: picking number one, he doesn't want to go there. So

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Speaker 3: this was interesting. You don't remember it because it was COVID,

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Speaker 3: But the arch Manning recruitment, it came down to Texas,

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Speaker 3: which he went to. But the other two were Alabama

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Speaker 3: and Georgia. I'm almost certain those are two from the article.

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Speaker 3: So you've got basically the two teams battling it out

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Speaker 3: for best in the country for several years and then Texas.

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Speaker 3: Arch's family made a strong note he committed to Texas

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Speaker 3: when they were five and seven. They were not some

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Speaker 3: juggernaut that he was stacked going to. They were an

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Speaker 3: under five hundred team when Arch committed. So does that

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Speaker 3: rob change the idea of he ain't going to some

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Speaker 3: dumpster fire in Cleveland. Well, wait a minute, he went

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Speaker 3: to Texas when they were in disarray. Why why not

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Speaker 3: he could be the hero, the savior to Cleveland.

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Speaker 4: I think the reason why you wouldn't see that that

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Speaker 4: is a very good point. The reason why you wouldn't

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Speaker 4: see that happened is because we've already seen the Manning

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Speaker 4: families steer them their guys away from franchise that they

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Speaker 4: believe are not capable of molding quarterbacks?

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Speaker 2: Was that Elion Chargers?

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Speaker 4: Yes, sir? Interesting?

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Speaker 2: All right? Listen. The Archimandy stuff is going to be

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Speaker 2: interesting all year.

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Speaker 3: I would assume it will peak at some point during

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Speaker 3: the Ohio State game, and based on that result, it's

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Speaker 3: either going to go in a hyperspace or just take

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Speaker 3: a step back for a couple couple of months until

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Speaker 3: their next big game and he hopefully performs well. Anyways,

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Speaker 3: that's it for the week, a lot of NFL this weekend.

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Speaker 3: Rob be safe out there in these LA straight starting

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Speaker 3: to warm up out here in LA and as somebody

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Speaker 3: who doesn't have air conditioning, don't love that.

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Speaker 2: See you Monday,