WEBVTT - The Demands of Fighting Racism are Solvable 0:00:15.076 --> 0:00:24.556 Pushkin, this is solvable. I'm Ronald Young Jr. They're calling 0:00:24.556 --> 0:00:26.356 me the N word because they want me to feel bad, 0:00:26.396 --> 0:00:28.716 and I'm not going to give them that opportunity, and 0:00:28.756 --> 0:00:31.996 so I try to think about the why, which then 0:00:32.036 --> 0:00:35.876 allows me to separate the offensive comment from feeling offended. 0:00:36.316 --> 0:00:38.596 In the summer of twenty twenty, while in the throes 0:00:38.716 --> 0:00:42.276 of the global pandemic, many Americans found themselves wrestling with 0:00:42.316 --> 0:00:46.596 another virus of sorts, racism. I would say to black 0:00:46.636 --> 0:00:51.396 people that I don't expect anyone else to free us. 0:00:51.836 --> 0:00:54.316 That we freed ourselves during the Civil War, and we're 0:00:54.316 --> 0:00:57.476 gonna have to free ourselves, you know, from racism too. 0:00:58.356 --> 0:01:01.196 But on the other hand, I do not think it 0:01:01.356 --> 0:01:04.236 is all on us. With the killing of George Floyd, 0:01:04.596 --> 0:01:07.156 the killing of a mod Arbory, and the killing of 0:01:07.196 --> 0:01:13.116 Brianna Taylor, the phrase Black Lives Matter suddenly became mainstream. 0:01:13.156 --> 0:01:17.756 The stark nature of inequity and injustice became apparent for 0:01:17.916 --> 0:01:20.396 many who had tried to ignore it for so long, 0:01:21.636 --> 0:01:25.076 even for people accustomed to doing the work of anti racism, 0:01:25.116 --> 0:01:28.796 and especially for black folks doing that work. The mainstreaming 0:01:28.796 --> 0:01:33.556 of the movement has been both energizing and emotionally exhausting. 0:01:34.396 --> 0:01:38.116 We may easy to take breaks, and that's okay. People 0:01:38.116 --> 0:01:41.516 should listen to their bodies and to their feelings, and 0:01:41.796 --> 0:01:43.996 you know, knowing that three months from then, or a 0:01:44.076 --> 0:01:46.396 year from then, or in a different type of way, 0:01:46.516 --> 0:01:49.996 that that baton, you know, is going to be picked up. 0:01:50.636 --> 0:01:54.876 Doctor IBRAMX Kendy as a professor, scholar, writer, and most 0:01:54.916 --> 0:01:58.956 recently the host of the Pushkin podcast Be Anti Racist. 0:01:59.596 --> 0:02:02.276 When it comes to teaching anti racism to all, he 0:02:02.356 --> 0:02:05.916 has had to become a kind of endurance athlete, and 0:02:05.956 --> 0:02:08.796 we do all need to be a part of the solution. 0:02:09.316 --> 0:02:16.636 The demands of fighting racism are solvable. How are you 0:02:16.636 --> 0:02:19.596 settling into your new role as a Pushkin podcast host? 0:02:19.876 --> 0:02:22.556 Is this your first podcast, by the way, that you've hosted, Yes, okay, 0:02:22.596 --> 0:02:24.236 So how are you settling into your new role? I 0:02:24.276 --> 0:02:26.996 feel like I'm settling, and I mean podcasting obviously it's 0:02:27.876 --> 0:02:31.276 something quite different than anything you know, I've ever done, 0:02:31.316 --> 0:02:35.516 and so it's it's a learning curve and hopefully everyone's 0:02:35.556 --> 0:02:37.716 bearing with me. Hey, I think you're doing a great 0:02:37.796 --> 0:02:40.756 job be Anti Racist as the name of your show. 0:02:40.956 --> 0:02:43.116 I know that you didn't always imagine yourself doing the 0:02:43.116 --> 0:02:45.156 work that you do today. Tell us a little bit 0:02:45.196 --> 0:02:47.876 about what you would have wanted to do if not 0:02:47.916 --> 0:02:51.036 working in anti racistool. I grew up a huge New 0:02:51.116 --> 0:02:53.996 York Knicks fan and played basketball, and so I mean, 0:02:54.036 --> 0:02:57.036 I would have loved to be the next John Starks 0:02:57.196 --> 0:03:03.916 and you know, or Alan Houston. I of course that 0:03:03.996 --> 0:03:10.716 didn't work out, and I actually even even initially was 0:03:10.756 --> 0:03:16.836 thinking about being an actually intern to be a sports reporter. Nice, 0:03:16.916 --> 0:03:18.996 but I think the more I wrote about sports, the 0:03:19.036 --> 0:03:21.956 more I became interested in writing about race and race 0:03:22.076 --> 0:03:25.476 in sport, and ultimately I dropped the sport. But I 0:03:25.716 --> 0:03:29.836 do sometimes, of course, write about sports understandable. I deal 0:03:29.836 --> 0:03:31.916 with race every day. Being black, I deal with it 0:03:31.956 --> 0:03:35.116 all the time, but I'm not necessarily an expert. After 0:03:35.276 --> 0:03:37.636 the killing of George Floyd, there was a lot of 0:03:37.636 --> 0:03:40.036 opportunities for me to talk to white folks about race, 0:03:40.076 --> 0:03:42.556 whether they were showing up in my inbox actually questions 0:03:42.636 --> 0:03:46.756 or apologizing for white privilege and all those I started 0:03:46.756 --> 0:03:49.596 an anti racist book club, going through the books that 0:03:49.636 --> 0:03:51.396 we're reading. Of course, one of them was Yours How 0:03:51.436 --> 0:03:54.316 to Be Anti Racist? Going through those conversations for me, 0:03:54.916 --> 0:03:56.236 I did it for a while. We did it for 0:03:56.276 --> 0:03:58.396 about six months or so, and then I got tired 0:03:58.436 --> 0:04:00.156 of doing it. I couldn't do it anymore. I'm like, 0:04:00.196 --> 0:04:02.756 this is this is too much. I'm like, I don't 0:04:02.796 --> 0:04:04.236 want to talk about racing people. I don't want to 0:04:04.236 --> 0:04:06.876 have to explain this to white folks, especially. I just 0:04:06.916 --> 0:04:09.596 didn't want to do it anymore. So I'm wondering, for 0:04:09.636 --> 0:04:12.116 somebody like you who does this twenty four to seven 0:04:12.316 --> 0:04:15.036 all the time, did you find that, maybe in the 0:04:15.116 --> 0:04:18.636 last year that this particular work has been more demanding 0:04:18.636 --> 0:04:22.556 and more taxing than usual, especially with everyone asking so 0:04:22.596 --> 0:04:26.116 many questions. So I think it has certainly been more 0:04:26.196 --> 0:04:29.236 demanding on my time. So it's just been harder to 0:04:30.596 --> 0:04:35.236 navigate it, you than before. The combination of that with 0:04:36.676 --> 0:04:41.076 trying to be responsive to the growing number of people 0:04:41.116 --> 0:04:44.876 who are becoming aware that there's a racism problem and 0:04:44.876 --> 0:04:48.356 who are trying to sort of understand it, and then 0:04:48.436 --> 0:04:52.676 even recently trying to be responsive to the all out 0:04:52.996 --> 0:04:56.356 effort to close those eyes that had been sort of 0:04:56.396 --> 0:05:00.876 opened a year ago. At the same time, I also 0:05:01.196 --> 0:05:04.076 recognize that, you know, I'm a scholar of race and racism, 0:05:04.156 --> 0:05:07.036 and so this is in a way sort of you 0:05:07.076 --> 0:05:11.556 know what I do, and I try to find soulless, 0:05:12.636 --> 0:05:15.916 and I try to ensure that I'm physically and emotionally 0:05:15.956 --> 0:05:19.676 capable to do this work, just like there are other 0:05:20.156 --> 0:05:23.556 professionals who who have to sort of think about that too. 0:05:23.596 --> 0:05:26.596 Whether you know a cancer doctor who day in and 0:05:26.676 --> 0:05:29.916 day out they deal with cancer, and I, you know, 0:05:29.916 --> 0:05:32.876 as somebody who has battled cancer, you know, I know 0:05:32.916 --> 0:05:37.236 how hard it is for our caretakers to really fight 0:05:37.396 --> 0:05:41.116 this just brutal disease, and just like it's hard for 0:05:41.156 --> 0:05:44.236 people who are fighting the disease of racism. In the 0:05:44.276 --> 0:05:47.996 months after George Floyd was killed, I noticed that there 0:05:48.076 --> 0:05:51.316 was a trend amongst especially amongst white folks in corporations 0:05:51.316 --> 0:05:54.556 to not only support Black Lives Matter, but we saw 0:05:54.676 --> 0:05:59.436 some forms of racial reckonings and racial reconciliations across some organizations, 0:05:59.836 --> 0:06:02.036 and the fervor has kind of died down a little bit. 0:06:02.476 --> 0:06:05.196 I imagine you had a feeling as you saw it rise, 0:06:06.236 --> 0:06:08.476 what's it like to also see it fall, what it's 0:06:08.556 --> 0:06:13.876 like as it's been just a bitter and brutal, really backlash. 0:06:13.916 --> 0:06:16.716 And so I don't think we should just imagine it 0:06:16.796 --> 0:06:20.476 sort of happened by happenstance, and so within for instance, 0:06:20.636 --> 0:06:27.436 days of George Floyd's murder and people demonstrating against that murder, 0:06:27.476 --> 0:06:30.596 you had the President of the United States, you know, 0:06:30.636 --> 0:06:33.916 calling them thugs, or you had him saying that, you know, 0:06:33.916 --> 0:06:38.516 when the looting starts, to shooting starts, and by the summer, 0:06:38.556 --> 0:06:43.076 efforts to hold people accountable suddenly became cancel culture, which 0:06:43.156 --> 0:06:46.756 was horrible. And then those there were simultaneous and growing 0:06:46.796 --> 0:06:51.756 attacks on the sixteen nineteen Project, attacks on the teaching 0:06:51.796 --> 0:06:56.356 of the history of slavery, or even about racism in schools, 0:06:56.516 --> 0:07:00.076 and of course that's the attacks that we're facing today, 0:07:00.116 --> 0:07:04.156 and it's it's just been it's been brutal to see 0:07:04.196 --> 0:07:09.556 because in most of these cases, those who were attacking, 0:07:10.916 --> 0:07:15.196 whether it was Black Lives Matter demonstrators or sixteen nineteen 0:07:15.276 --> 0:07:19.876 Project or anti racism or even now critical race theory, 0:07:20.716 --> 0:07:25.356 we're defining in a way or describing in a way 0:07:25.396 --> 0:07:28.676 that was not truthful, and then attacking their own definitions 0:07:29.276 --> 0:07:32.596 and defining in a way that would anger people and 0:07:33.396 --> 0:07:36.756 cause resentment, when that's actually in many cases not what 0:07:36.796 --> 0:07:39.636 people were doing or saying. Do you feel like this 0:07:39.716 --> 0:07:42.076 makes your job harder or does this feel like kind 0:07:42.116 --> 0:07:44.916 of just another day at the office. I'd say it's both. 0:07:45.156 --> 0:07:48.436 On the one hand, it certainly makes my job harder 0:07:49.276 --> 0:07:51.916 when other people have framed me in a particular way, 0:07:51.956 --> 0:07:56.116 that's false. They they're coming with a particular perspective, they're 0:07:56.156 --> 0:08:00.516 coming to hear the research or the evidence or the logic. 0:08:01.236 --> 0:08:05.996 When approaching people who who have not read my work, 0:08:06.636 --> 0:08:09.956 that just makes it harder to have those conversations. But 0:08:10.076 --> 0:08:11.796 on the other way, and it's another day at the office, 0:08:11.836 --> 0:08:16.316 because this is what happened prior to George Floyd's murder. 0:08:16.356 --> 0:08:19.036 This is what's happening over the course you know of history. 0:08:19.076 --> 0:08:23.316 I mean, Marks the King was consistently during his lifetime 0:08:23.396 --> 0:08:28.596 called an extremist, call an outside agitator, abolitionist. It was 0:08:28.636 --> 0:08:31.636 imagined where being divisive, I mean, this is what happens 0:08:31.676 --> 0:08:34.556 to people who are trying to create justice and equity. 0:08:39.996 --> 0:08:42.276 In terms of your headspace, if you could talk a 0:08:42.316 --> 0:08:45.236 little bit more about how you manage the actual fight 0:08:45.316 --> 0:08:48.116 in your head when it comes through having to talk 0:08:48.156 --> 0:08:51.356 about what racism is explaining to folks and how that 0:08:51.516 --> 0:08:54.676 is taxing on you as a fellow black person. How 0:08:54.716 --> 0:08:57.236 that's taxing on you to actually have to give those 0:08:57.276 --> 0:09:03.196 answers and do that work. My work isn't necessarily directed 0:09:03.396 --> 0:09:07.756 specifically towards towards white people. I've encouraged even people of 0:09:07.796 --> 0:09:11.436 color to be anti racist, And it is a different 0:09:11.476 --> 0:09:15.796 type of conversation with different communities, which I think if 0:09:15.836 --> 0:09:18.796 I was just having the same conversation with the same community, 0:09:18.836 --> 0:09:22.516 I think it would be much more taxing. I would 0:09:22.556 --> 0:09:27.996 also add that I tried to separate statements about me 0:09:28.356 --> 0:09:32.916 or about black people that are offensive from feeling offended. 0:09:33.836 --> 0:09:36.876 So it's it's it's it's rare that just because somebody 0:09:37.116 --> 0:09:39.796 sort of calls me an idiot or calls me the 0:09:39.916 --> 0:09:42.916 end word, or threatens me in a particular way, or 0:09:43.316 --> 0:09:46.796 describes black people in a particular way, that I personally 0:09:46.836 --> 0:09:50.276 would feel bad because of that, And so I tried 0:09:50.316 --> 0:09:53.396 to make that separation. I think that's helped me. How 0:09:53.476 --> 0:09:55.476 do you make that separation because you just you might 0:09:55.516 --> 0:09:57.196 have said a key there that I don't I don't 0:09:57.236 --> 0:09:58.756 even know I could do that, because if somebody calls 0:09:58.756 --> 0:10:01.876 me an idiot or system about black people are automatically offended. 0:10:02.116 --> 0:10:06.556 What it is is I try to see what they're 0:10:06.596 --> 0:10:12.076 saying as a reflection first and foremost of what is 0:10:12.076 --> 0:10:15.196 wrong with them, And then I try to think about 0:10:15.756 --> 0:10:18.156 why are they doing that? So, why is it that 0:10:18.596 --> 0:10:23.276 someone is tweeting at me a personal attack as opposed 0:10:23.276 --> 0:10:27.476 to engaging with my specific ideas? And I know that 0:10:27.636 --> 0:10:29.756 you know it's it's a way to discredit me because 0:10:29.756 --> 0:10:32.836 they don't want to engage with my ideas, right, Or 0:10:32.836 --> 0:10:34.876 why is someone you know calling me the N word? 0:10:34.876 --> 0:10:36.556 They're calling me the N word because they want me 0:10:36.556 --> 0:10:38.116 to feel bad, and I'm not going to give them 0:10:38.156 --> 0:10:42.676 that opportunity. And so I try to think about the why, 0:10:42.716 --> 0:10:46.116 which then allows me to separate the offensive comment from 0:10:46.156 --> 0:11:04.436 feeling offended. Can you tell me a day that you 0:11:04.556 --> 0:11:07.116 felt like the work that you're doing is paying off. 0:11:07.516 --> 0:11:09.076 I think there's a lot of teachers that have store 0:11:09.276 --> 0:11:11.836 is like this, where they just feel like they've been 0:11:11.836 --> 0:11:13.556 working with their students and all of a sudden, you 0:11:13.556 --> 0:11:15.516 see them get it. You know, you see something happen. 0:11:15.596 --> 0:11:17.756 You're just like, this is what teaching's all about. Do 0:11:17.796 --> 0:11:19.756 you have a moment like that, especially in a work 0:11:19.796 --> 0:11:23.036 where sometimes it could be a little amorphous or nebulous 0:11:23.036 --> 0:11:26.036 to actually see like the clear fruits of your labor. 0:11:27.076 --> 0:11:29.996 I remember last June, and I don't remember the day 0:11:31.076 --> 0:11:34.476 when I came across a poll that showed that I 0:11:34.516 --> 0:11:39.276 think it was seventy six percent of Americans had told 0:11:39.316 --> 0:11:44.396 the posters that systemic racism exists and it's a huge problem. 0:11:44.476 --> 0:11:48.476 It was the highest recorded percentage of Americans, you know, 0:11:48.596 --> 0:11:55.596 ever recorded. I just remember almost being simultaneously in disbelief 0:11:56.076 --> 0:12:02.156 and hopeful that this clear governing majority could could take 0:12:02.196 --> 0:12:05.356 this nation to a place of justice, that we can 0:12:05.436 --> 0:12:15.916 sort of transform that awareness into action. What do you 0:12:15.996 --> 0:12:19.156 do when you're done for the day, when you don't 0:12:19.156 --> 0:12:21.756 have any more interviews, when you don't have any any 0:12:21.836 --> 0:12:23.436 anything to write in the moment, what do you do 0:12:23.516 --> 0:12:26.716 to recharge and to renew yourself in order to get 0:12:26.756 --> 0:12:29.716 ready and energize for the fight for tomorrow. So I 0:12:29.796 --> 0:12:33.796 tried to wind down with a sangria, but I like 0:12:33.876 --> 0:12:37.236 the night. I also, before I go to bed, I 0:12:37.276 --> 0:12:40.676 tried to to read quite a bit, because I think 0:12:40.916 --> 0:12:43.796 reading and focusing on a book, particularly a good book, 0:12:44.556 --> 0:12:48.396 just settles me, you know, settles my mind. So I think, 0:12:48.396 --> 0:12:51.316 between a sangria and hanging with my family, of course 0:12:52.036 --> 0:12:54.196 you know I'm reading. I think that's what sort of 0:12:54.276 --> 0:12:58.236 settles me each night. Has there ever been a moment 0:12:58.316 --> 0:13:02.396 for you where you just you, You've thought, you know what, 0:13:02.756 --> 0:13:05.596 I've had enough of this. I'm again managing the book club. 0:13:05.916 --> 0:13:07.356 That was the moment for me that I was like, 0:13:07.516 --> 0:13:09.876 you know it. On the individual level, I'll do this 0:13:09.996 --> 0:13:11.476 like I'll talk to folks if they want to talk. 0:13:11.516 --> 0:13:13.156 But I don't know if I can. I don't know 0:13:13.156 --> 0:13:16.476 if I'm just not equipped for this. I'll do like normal, average, 0:13:16.476 --> 0:13:18.476 everyday black folks who want to get involved in the 0:13:18.516 --> 0:13:21.156 work of anti racism, how do we solve for those 0:13:21.196 --> 0:13:26.236 feelings of exhaustion. We may need to take breaks, and 0:13:26.276 --> 0:13:29.916 that's okay. People should listen to their to their bodies 0:13:29.956 --> 0:13:32.556 and to their feelings. And you know, knowing that three 0:13:32.596 --> 0:13:34.636 months from then or a year from then, or in 0:13:34.676 --> 0:13:38.316 a different type of way, that that baton, you know 0:13:38.356 --> 0:13:41.236 it's going to be picked up. It can be burdensome 0:13:41.276 --> 0:13:44.396 when we feel it is it is on us. I 0:13:44.436 --> 0:13:49.196 would say to black people that I don't expect anyone 0:13:49.236 --> 0:13:52.436 else to free us, that we freed ourselves during the 0:13:52.476 --> 0:13:55.196 Civil War and we're gonna have to free ourselves, you know, 0:13:55.276 --> 0:13:58.916 from racism too. But on the other hand, I do 0:13:59.036 --> 0:14:02.436 not think it is all on us, you know. I 0:14:02.476 --> 0:14:06.756 think it's important for Asian Americans who are facing anti 0:14:06.796 --> 0:14:10.556 Asian racism to ally with with black folks facing anti 0:14:10.596 --> 0:14:14.276 black racism. It's it's important for white Americans who who 0:14:14.316 --> 0:14:17.476 are facing the collateral damage from racism to be like, 0:14:17.516 --> 0:14:21.796 you know what, this country is, democracy itself, even for 0:14:21.836 --> 0:14:25.236 people like me, is being threatened. So we need to 0:14:25.276 --> 0:14:29.756 sort of ally and come together to fight for you know, 0:14:29.756 --> 0:14:33.116 our democracy. I expect and hope that other groups will 0:14:33.196 --> 0:14:35.996 do this in other groups are doing this. I know 0:14:36.036 --> 0:14:37.836 there's a lot of listeners that are listening right now 0:14:37.876 --> 0:14:40.076 that probably want to be involved in the work. You know, 0:14:40.756 --> 0:14:42.636 we could point them in the direction of the podcast 0:14:42.676 --> 0:14:44.636 be anti Racists. We could point them in the direction 0:14:45.036 --> 0:14:47.956 of the books of course, how to be an anti Racist. 0:14:48.436 --> 0:14:50.396 And there's a bunch of other especially I like to 0:14:50.396 --> 0:14:53.156 call them race one on one books that listeners can read, 0:14:53.476 --> 0:14:55.276 and we can, you know, we can link to those. 0:14:55.316 --> 0:14:58.116 But what do you think, like, what's an everyday action 0:14:58.156 --> 0:15:01.036 that a listener can take in order to get involved 0:15:01.236 --> 0:15:03.636 with either work of anti racism work? Or even trying 0:15:03.636 --> 0:15:06.316 to recharge themselves to be ready for more anti racism work. 0:15:06.716 --> 0:15:11.396 I think we should all think about our own backyard, 0:15:11.716 --> 0:15:17.516 our own organizations, and identify the people or even the 0:15:17.636 --> 0:15:22.316 organizations that are fighting for racial justice or fighting for 0:15:22.436 --> 0:15:26.316 racial equity, and then to think about, you know, in 0:15:26.436 --> 0:15:30.396 what's small or large way, can I support these people, 0:15:30.516 --> 0:15:35.076 Can I support this organization to give ourselves, you know, 0:15:35.116 --> 0:15:38.036 in that way? And I think if we're all doing that, 0:15:38.636 --> 0:15:41.236 then we're going to have people in every backyard, in 0:15:41.276 --> 0:15:44.916 every institution who are trying to create, you know, an 0:15:44.916 --> 0:15:49.876 equitable injust world. Thank you so much for being with us, 0:15:49.876 --> 0:15:52.156 Doctor Kendy, Oh, you're welcome. Thank if you have me. 0:15:58.076 --> 0:16:01.436 Doctor Abramxic Kendy is the Andrew W. Mellon Professor and 0:16:01.516 --> 0:16:05.156 the Humanities at Boston University and the founding director of 0:16:05.196 --> 0:16:09.116 the buth Center for Anti Racist Research. He's a contributor 0:16:09.276 --> 0:16:13.436 writer at the Atlantic and a CBS News correspondent. He 0:16:13.596 --> 0:16:16.516 is the author of many books, including Stamp from the Beginning, 0:16:16.636 --> 0:16:20.156 The Definitive History of Racist Ideas in America, which won 0:16:20.196 --> 0:16:23.516 the National Book Award for non Fiction, and he's written 0:16:23.556 --> 0:16:27.076 four Number one New York Times bestsellers, including How to 0:16:27.116 --> 0:16:29.996 Be an Anti Racist. Be sure to check out our 0:16:29.996 --> 0:16:32.396 show notes to find a great list of resources where 0:16:32.396 --> 0:16:35.796 you could continue to learn about anti racism and help 0:16:35.876 --> 0:16:39.396 others to become anti racist too. And his podcast be 0:16:39.476 --> 0:16:43.356 Anti Racist has a terrific collection of listener guides which 0:16:43.396 --> 0:16:46.676 include discussion questions for listeners who are ready to get 0:16:46.716 --> 0:16:49.996 into the work with friends and family. This stuff is 0:16:50.116 --> 0:16:53.636 not easy, y'all. Even with doctor Kendy's great advice, sometimes 0:16:53.796 --> 0:16:55.916 we might need a little more direct support to get 0:16:55.956 --> 0:16:59.516 through the hard spots and curveballs the world throws. Next week, 0:16:59.516 --> 0:17:02.316 I'm talking with doctor Joy Harden Bradford about therapy stegma 0:17:02.356 --> 0:17:04.596 for black folks and how to transcend it in order 0:17:04.636 --> 0:17:06.956 to get the help you need. I hope you'll join us. 0:17:08.756 --> 0:17:12.836 Solvell Senior Producer is Jocelyn Frank, Research by David John, 0:17:13.316 --> 0:17:17.276 Booking by Lisa Dunn. Our Managing Producer is Sasha Matthias, 0:17:17.396 --> 0:17:21.276 and our executive producer is mio Leabelle. Special thanks to 0:17:22.156 --> 0:17:28.396 Tammy Wynn, Heather Faine, Carly Migliori, Eric Sandler, Maggie Taylor, 0:17:28.756 --> 0:17:33.036 and Nicole Morano. Solvable is the production of Pushkin Industries. 0:17:33.356 --> 0:17:36.156 If you like the show, please remember to share, rate, 0:17:36.236 --> 0:17:38.716 and review. It helps us find our way to the 0:17:38.716 --> 0:17:43.116 ears of new listeners. You can find Pushkin Podcasts wherever 0:17:43.196 --> 0:17:47.596 you listen, including on the iHeartRadio app and Apple Podcasts. 0:17:48.196 --> 0:17:50.796 I'm Ronald Young Jr. Thanks for listening.