1 00:00:00,960 --> 00:00:04,320 Speaker 1: From UFOs to ghosts and government cover ups. History is 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:08,000 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:15,760 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to now. Hello, 4 00:00:15,800 --> 00:00:18,680 Speaker 1: welcome back to the show. My name is Matt I 5 00:00:18,880 --> 00:00:23,680 Speaker 1: am Ben and we are here with our super producer 6 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:28,040 Speaker 1: Noel a k A. Ghost Walker Brown an k A. 7 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:33,720 Speaker 1: Warp level nine a k A. What else? Why not 8 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:37,280 Speaker 1: warp level ten as well? I mean both that's dangerous, 9 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:41,360 Speaker 1: that's like super saying Noel Brown, Yes, it's true. And uh. 10 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:44,280 Speaker 1: Before we get started today, we want to thank those 11 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:48,920 Speaker 1: of you who wrote in with some some fantastic feedback 12 00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:53,760 Speaker 1: regarding our earlier episode on Jade Helm. Oh. Yes, thank 13 00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:57,640 Speaker 1: you for writing in. We got several interesting different perspectives 14 00:00:57,920 --> 00:01:01,360 Speaker 1: that were apart from our own respectives on this and 15 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 1: uh man, it's it's great to read your opinions and 16 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:08,280 Speaker 1: even these your little insights. Especially. We had someone who 17 00:01:08,520 --> 00:01:10,800 Speaker 1: is a former soldier who wrote in. Yeah. We had 18 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:15,360 Speaker 1: several on YouTube as well, some Facebook messages, some tweets. 19 00:01:16,319 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 1: We had some people who live in the areas, yes right, 20 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:23,360 Speaker 1: and we had some updates and we had you know, 21 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 1: it's interesting because we had several people who were saying 22 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:30,560 Speaker 1: I can assure you with absolute certainty that nothing at 23 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:33,840 Speaker 1: all is going down. It's just sensationalism, which we asked about. 24 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:36,040 Speaker 1: And then we had several people right in and say, 25 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:41,400 Speaker 1: I can assure you with absolute certainty that something is happening. Yeah, 26 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:44,800 Speaker 1: and I think that that's kind of the space in 27 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:47,520 Speaker 1: which we live. There's a lot of certainty out there, 28 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:51,280 Speaker 1: but but not there's not a lot of evidence. A 29 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:56,000 Speaker 1: lot of times behind those either side of those statements, right, yeah, 30 00:01:56,240 --> 00:02:00,800 Speaker 1: Often a certainty is like an opinion or a well 31 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:03,840 Speaker 1: this is a family show, but you know what I mean. Uh. So, 32 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:06,440 Speaker 1: we we just wanted to uh, we just wanted to 33 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:08,760 Speaker 1: thank everybody for checking that out. If you have not 34 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:14,520 Speaker 1: seen or listen to our recent episodes on military exercises 35 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:17,560 Speaker 1: and the one started in July here in the US 36 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:22,799 Speaker 1: called jade Helm fifteen, then please do please do avail 37 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:24,920 Speaker 1: yourself of it, check it out, let us know what 38 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 1: you think. Uh. Today we are talking about something completely 39 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:34,560 Speaker 1: different because you know, as we said, spoiler alert. Uh, 40 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 1: Matt and Noel and I have a few irons in 41 00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:42,120 Speaker 1: the fire. We've got some schemes cooking, and as a result, 42 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 1: we have been checking out some of our classic episodes 43 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:48,720 Speaker 1: moving into a new channel. And this week we did 44 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:52,960 Speaker 1: something that I really enjoyed at the time. Um and 45 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:57,800 Speaker 1: I I still am fascinated by it. Yes, alptic energy, 46 00:02:57,880 --> 00:03:02,080 Speaker 1: the horonymous machine. Yeah man, it's it's it's a cool idea. 47 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 1: And anytime we talk about free energy or somehow harnessing 48 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:12,120 Speaker 1: energy that just exists in this Star Wars Mediclorean world 49 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:17,760 Speaker 1: that we live in, apparently like radionics or gone. I 50 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:24,680 Speaker 1: won't add Thetan's because technically, against spoiler alert, they are ghosts, yes, 51 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:31,440 Speaker 1: weird's Yeah, yeah, I guess you're right. Alien ghosts, yes, 52 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:33,280 Speaker 1: And well you know, perhaps one day we will learn 53 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 1: how to harness them without because I man, I can't 54 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 1: right be able to harness the Thetan's inside each other. 55 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:46,760 Speaker 1: That's that's interesting. Well, uh, now that now that we 56 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:50,840 Speaker 1: have once again flirted with litigation by the Church of 57 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:56,920 Speaker 1: Scientology at least one time, it's in our contracts, let's 58 00:03:57,080 --> 00:04:00,240 Speaker 1: go ahead and just like a quick recap of this 59 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:02,400 Speaker 1: all optic energy. As he said, it's sort of an 60 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:05,640 Speaker 1: ambient thing. It's supposed to be all around us, and 61 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 1: it can be focused through these devices, these hieronymous machines 62 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:16,360 Speaker 1: devices named after the guy who invented them quote unquote T. 63 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:24,480 Speaker 1: Galen Heronymous, exactly fascinating character and interesting story. He was 64 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:29,160 Speaker 1: a he was idolized by a sci fi editor at 65 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:33,840 Speaker 1: the time back and you know, fifties, forties, sixties, and uh, 66 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:38,239 Speaker 1: he did a somewhere in their match. And this guy 67 00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:42,279 Speaker 1: Campbell took it a step further and said, not only 68 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:46,760 Speaker 1: do these machines work, but because it's harnessing this unknown 69 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 1: power and listeners, I'm like pointing to my forehead like 70 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:53,680 Speaker 1: a crazy person. Now I assume it's uh. Campbell assumed 71 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:57,599 Speaker 1: it was a psionic power of some sort of psychic ability. 72 00:04:57,960 --> 00:05:01,800 Speaker 1: And so Campbell argued that you didn't have to build 73 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:06,120 Speaker 1: the device. You could just draw the schematic of the 74 00:05:06,279 --> 00:05:10,320 Speaker 1: diagram right and it would have the same effect. And 75 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:14,800 Speaker 1: you could place things objects in certain areas of this 76 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:18,000 Speaker 1: diagram on a piece of paper that you've drawn it out, 77 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:22,719 Speaker 1: and you could somehow harnessed through that object like a 78 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 1: memory or a There are all kinds of things you 79 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:27,520 Speaker 1: could do with this device with a piece of paper 80 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:30,719 Speaker 1: and the diagram, And you know, with your your mind, 81 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:34,400 Speaker 1: it's all your minds being your own thing. Or being 82 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 1: the primary mover the engine here. Uh. Horonymous himself objected 83 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:44,200 Speaker 1: to this, and and although he thought Campbell's heart was 84 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:47,600 Speaker 1: in the right place, his intentions were good, YadA YadA, YadA. Uh. 85 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:51,640 Speaker 1: He believed that this guy had accidentally set back this 86 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:55,719 Speaker 1: science of radionics by a century or more because the 87 00:05:55,760 --> 00:05:58,120 Speaker 1: way that he built these devices is you would take 88 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:01,479 Speaker 1: a substance of some sort of sample, and you would 89 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:04,480 Speaker 1: put it in this little tray or receiving area, and 90 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:08,520 Speaker 1: then you would be able to um, be able to 91 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:14,920 Speaker 1: affect that by modifying or or I guess harvesting, collecting, 92 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:22,719 Speaker 1: and and focusing this uh radionic energy, which is not proven, 93 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:27,679 Speaker 1: certainly not proven. Yeah, I don't think it is out 94 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:31,720 Speaker 1: of the realm of possibilities, especially you know, as we're 95 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:35,560 Speaker 1: starting to tackle what we're going to tackle this episode, right, Yeah, 96 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:40,360 Speaker 1: there might be something there, um, but you know, for now, 97 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:42,839 Speaker 1: we we in no way can prove this and nobody 98 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:46,640 Speaker 1: can I understand. And you know, it is quite possible 99 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:50,520 Speaker 1: that we have yet to encounter all the forms of 100 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:54,280 Speaker 1: energy affecting the reality in which we live. You know, 101 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 1: it would be tremendously arrogant to say that we have 102 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:01,640 Speaker 1: figured it all all out. You know, we are still 103 00:07:01,640 --> 00:07:04,880 Speaker 1: in what future historians would likely call the Dark Ages. 104 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:09,159 Speaker 1: But but point being like Horonymous, one interesting thing I 105 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:11,880 Speaker 1: can't remember from made into the video, which you sure 106 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:14,840 Speaker 1: watch if you haven't launched it yet. Uh it's uh, 107 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:18,480 Speaker 1: there's there's this quote he has that we mentioned earlier, 108 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:21,000 Speaker 1: and he's talking about setting back the science a hundred 109 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 1: years or something. He says that this is the thing though, Matt. 110 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:28,520 Speaker 1: He says that those diagrams worked when Campbell did them. 111 00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:33,080 Speaker 1: They actually were Horotomous machines because the guy used India Inc. 112 00:07:33,640 --> 00:07:38,320 Speaker 1: Which Horonomous said was conductive. I know, I can hear 113 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:41,680 Speaker 1: them more skeptical people in our in our audience now, 114 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:46,480 Speaker 1: just as their eyebrows raise and their eyes roll. Uh. 115 00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:49,760 Speaker 1: One of them made it into the studio. Huh, but 116 00:07:49,760 --> 00:07:52,080 Speaker 1: but do check it out. And this got us thinking. 117 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 1: This concept of a optic energy got us thinking to 118 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:58,480 Speaker 1: something that you and I have looked at several times before, 119 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:03,200 Speaker 1: like free energy, or suppression of energy or um or 120 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:08,640 Speaker 1: excuse me, suppression of technology, alternative energy, zero point energy, 121 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:14,240 Speaker 1: all these different propositions that we here get lauded and 122 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 1: vilified and uh mostly most often just not accepted by 123 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:25,400 Speaker 1: mainstream science. Today, we're going to talk about the newest 124 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:28,920 Speaker 1: version of that. But before we get there, we have 125 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:32,640 Speaker 1: to ask a question. I have to ask you a question, 126 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:36,040 Speaker 1: and it's it's actually one of our our bosson our 127 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:40,360 Speaker 1: boss's favorite questions. Uh So, our boss is a guy 128 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:43,680 Speaker 1: named Jason. He's our CCO. And one of the questions 129 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:47,520 Speaker 1: you like to ask people is what's your favorite Star 130 00:08:47,559 --> 00:08:51,000 Speaker 1: Wars or Star Trek or do you have one? I 131 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 1: think I've addressed this before on this show maybe, and 132 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:56,800 Speaker 1: it is Star Trek. However, I did just get back 133 00:08:56,840 --> 00:08:59,400 Speaker 1: from the Star Wars convention and I was starting to 134 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:03,600 Speaker 1: turn a little little bit star star Wars, starting to 135 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:06,840 Speaker 1: turn towards Star Wars, just because when you're around that 136 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:09,800 Speaker 1: kind of fandom, I think it's it's a bit infectious. 137 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:13,800 Speaker 1: Um and especially when you're with someone like Holly Fry, 138 00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:16,880 Speaker 1: who is one of the one of the is she's 139 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:19,400 Speaker 1: an editor here, I believe she's an editor and the 140 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:22,079 Speaker 1: host of stuff you missing history class. She was with us, 141 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:24,360 Speaker 1: and she is such an avid fan that I was, man, 142 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:27,679 Speaker 1: I was getting pulled that direction. But for me, the 143 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:31,160 Speaker 1: science of Star Trek, the it's a bit I would 144 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:35,400 Speaker 1: say a little harder on the science and that it 145 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:39,000 Speaker 1: sticks a little bit closer to the known physics, although 146 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:41,719 Speaker 1: it does extrapolate a whole bunch to get things like 147 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:46,560 Speaker 1: the warp drive. Yes, yes, um, but it's you know, 148 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:49,320 Speaker 1: it's it's trying to be as in line with it 149 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:52,280 Speaker 1: as possible. And also the social sciences aspect of Star 150 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:55,480 Speaker 1: Trek I think is stronger. Ah. Yeah, the the post 151 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:59,440 Speaker 1: industrial society is a neat argument, and the there's a 152 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:02,319 Speaker 1: mystice is um of course, the Star Wars right, oh yeah, 153 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:05,920 Speaker 1: and and a lot I think I I have not 154 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:08,559 Speaker 1: I have not made a call on either of those. 155 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:11,000 Speaker 1: Well that's probably a smart idea, because let's just wait 156 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:13,439 Speaker 1: until what I'm gonna get. I'm gonna get so much 157 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:15,760 Speaker 1: hate for saying that. And I'm sorry Star Wars fans. 158 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:18,120 Speaker 1: I do love Star Wars. It's just not the same. 159 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:21,880 Speaker 1: I love you Star Wars, but I'm in love with 160 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:25,959 Speaker 1: Star Trek. And that's exactly right, all right, But nail 161 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:29,120 Speaker 1: on the head here, man, because if we're talking about 162 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:32,560 Speaker 1: Star Trek, we're talking about the warp drive in here, 163 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:35,800 Speaker 1: and and what like, what is a warp drive? Well, 164 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:40,040 Speaker 1: it's a it's an engine for a spacecraft that would 165 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:44,040 Speaker 1: allow the travel, allow the craft and the inhabitants everything 166 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:46,760 Speaker 1: inside it to travel faster than light, so everyone in 167 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:51,600 Speaker 1: the rest of the world. It's two million, seven thousand, 168 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:55,320 Speaker 1: four hundred and fifty eight meters per second. Yeah, that 169 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:58,600 Speaker 1: seems that seems like it might be dangerous for the 170 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:02,679 Speaker 1: whole of a ship. I'm saying, well, sure, I mean, 171 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:06,200 Speaker 1: it's it's tough, and it's a theoretical engine, but it 172 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:10,400 Speaker 1: was it's cantalized humanity since we solidified the underlying laws 173 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:12,880 Speaker 1: of physics, and that's that's part of the problem with 174 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:17,079 Speaker 1: a warp drive, right, Yeah, it's something that we've it's 175 00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:20,559 Speaker 1: a dream that we've had since then, right, and the 176 00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:25,160 Speaker 1: the thought of being able to achieve that, um man. 177 00:11:25,559 --> 00:11:27,840 Speaker 1: I think it's driven a lot of people in the 178 00:11:27,880 --> 00:11:30,280 Speaker 1: field right now, in the field of physics, like the 179 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:34,960 Speaker 1: that kind of dream. Yeah. And even before we really 180 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:39,400 Speaker 1: had UH codified what would become the laws of modern 181 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:44,000 Speaker 1: physics as we understand them today, in UH, there were 182 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:48,920 Speaker 1: numerous people who were, you know, building religions based off 183 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:53,560 Speaker 1: stuff seen in the heavens, writing stories about going there, 184 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:58,160 Speaker 1: staring into the sky, inventing uh, different means of trying 185 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:02,720 Speaker 1: to discern what was happening or nearest celestial neighbors. But 186 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:07,959 Speaker 1: the way we get there as always or often has 187 00:12:08,520 --> 00:12:12,599 Speaker 1: in almost every single case eluded us except for or 188 00:12:12,679 --> 00:12:16,280 Speaker 1: at least and we're talking about manned exploration here. That's 189 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:18,679 Speaker 1: that's one of the big deals. But the laws of 190 00:12:18,679 --> 00:12:21,160 Speaker 1: physics have been around for a long time. Philosophers knew 191 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:24,319 Speaker 1: about these, other people explored them due to these slow, 192 00:12:24,520 --> 00:12:30,120 Speaker 1: steady grind of history. Uh, we don't we you know, 193 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:36,240 Speaker 1: we can't say with certitude who actually discovered these things first, 194 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:40,720 Speaker 1: because maybe a record of them doesn't remain sure. But 195 00:12:40,960 --> 00:12:44,480 Speaker 1: what we can say is that the credit for the 196 00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:47,440 Speaker 1: codification of like the laws of motion goes to a 197 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:51,400 Speaker 1: guy named Isaac Newton for the three laws he created. 198 00:12:51,679 --> 00:12:53,680 Speaker 1: That's right, the three laws. So the first one that 199 00:12:54,040 --> 00:12:58,880 Speaker 1: hopefully you remember these from school, guys, I vaguely do. Um. 200 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:01,640 Speaker 1: The first laws that every object object will remain at 201 00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:04,280 Speaker 1: rest or in uniform motion in a straight line unless 202 00:13:04,320 --> 00:13:08,000 Speaker 1: it is compelled to change it's state by the actions 203 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:10,240 Speaker 1: of some internal force. So it's gonna keep going where 204 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:12,840 Speaker 1: it's going or staying where it's staying unless something else 205 00:13:12,880 --> 00:13:16,160 Speaker 1: comes in and knocks it um. The second law concerns 206 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:19,119 Speaker 1: how the velocity of an object changes when it's subjected 207 00:13:19,160 --> 00:13:23,559 Speaker 1: to an external force, so it slows down, speeds up, 208 00:13:23,679 --> 00:13:26,240 Speaker 1: these kind of things. And the third law, this is 209 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:29,360 Speaker 1: probably the most famous law, is that for every action, 210 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:34,440 Speaker 1: there is an equal and opposite reaction. And that's you know, 211 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:37,280 Speaker 1: the idea of when a ball hits another ball that 212 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:41,000 Speaker 1: have roughly the same mass, you're gonna see the ball 213 00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:44,080 Speaker 1: that gets hit move in the opposite direction that the 214 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:48,720 Speaker 1: ball of which hit it. Yes, right, exactly. And these 215 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:54,600 Speaker 1: these laws so far have not been disproven, right, No, 216 00:13:54,920 --> 00:13:58,320 Speaker 1: not yet, not yet, And it's okay to say, it's 217 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:00,960 Speaker 1: okay to add not yet on their because we could 218 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:04,280 Speaker 1: also add probably never will be disproving. But I think 219 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:06,640 Speaker 1: I think it's best to hedge our bets and say 220 00:14:06,679 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 1: they haven't been disproven yet as far as we know, 221 00:14:09,559 --> 00:14:12,200 Speaker 1: at least on Earth. We're like, we're pretty sure that's 222 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:15,880 Speaker 1: those are the rules. But we are faced with again 223 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:22,000 Speaker 1: the relative impossibility of a warp drive. At least the 224 00:14:22,040 --> 00:14:26,640 Speaker 1: appearance of impossibility pales in comparison to the benefit that 225 00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:30,800 Speaker 1: this kind of technology could give us. I mean, imagine, Okay, 226 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:33,480 Speaker 1: if for the Star Trek fans out there, and for 227 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:36,720 Speaker 1: the Star Wars fans, just imagine every time you saw 228 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:40,000 Speaker 1: one of those long pans of the inky black and 229 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:45,479 Speaker 1: and the tiny pinpricks of stars. Right. Uh, this illustration 230 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:50,440 Speaker 1: of the sheer possibly unknowable size of the universe, uh, 231 00:14:50,520 --> 00:14:53,800 Speaker 1: not to mention the space in between heavenly objects, means 232 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:58,560 Speaker 1: that human beings cannot travel to another star within a 233 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:02,440 Speaker 1: person's lifetime, not with their current technology. Right. Yeah, And 234 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:05,520 Speaker 1: if you think about it, we're still, let's be a 235 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:08,800 Speaker 1: little crass about it, we're still like taking the liquefied 236 00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:17,360 Speaker 1: remains of dinosaurs and making them explode to power space travel. Yeah, 237 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:20,200 Speaker 1: if oil is actually made out of dinosaurs. Ben well, 238 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:22,600 Speaker 1: the majority of oil is not made out of dinosaurs, 239 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:26,720 Speaker 1: as you know. No, but that's a that's a crazy point. 240 00:15:26,920 --> 00:15:30,160 Speaker 1: That's that's the way we are still getting out of 241 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:34,600 Speaker 1: our atmosphere. Yeah, into uh near or near Earth orbit, 242 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:39,840 Speaker 1: uh to the moon, or or sending even um rovers 243 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:46,160 Speaker 1: into two Mars. Right. So this gives us a few 244 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:51,960 Speaker 1: options then for any any intrepid human beings or human 245 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:55,960 Speaker 1: groups wishing to travel beyond the stars because they got 246 00:15:56,040 --> 00:15:58,840 Speaker 1: swept up in that Carl Sagan speech. Right, well, okay, 247 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:00,400 Speaker 1: so I've got the first off, and I don't know 248 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:02,960 Speaker 1: if it's really an option. I guess it is an option. 249 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:07,960 Speaker 1: Just give up, Just give up, just put it down, 250 00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:11,280 Speaker 1: just you know, go back watch an episode of Daredevil 251 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:15,080 Speaker 1: and that's it. Well now, or fixed problems that exist 252 00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:18,520 Speaker 1: on Earth. Oh, now, that's interesting. So it's not it's 253 00:16:18,560 --> 00:16:29,080 Speaker 1: maybe it's maybe it's a reprior prioritization. That's an interesting idea. Um. 254 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:31,560 Speaker 1: I think it's probably a bad one. But that's okay. 255 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:34,000 Speaker 1: What else can we do? Oh? This is exciting. We 256 00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:38,600 Speaker 1: could try to build gargantuan, gigantic arcs uh and put 257 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:42,000 Speaker 1: a little piece of Earth in their human beings. Animals, 258 00:16:42,400 --> 00:16:48,640 Speaker 1: plants have a biome that's slowly crawling through the ink 259 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:53,760 Speaker 1: towards some alien destination over like millions of years, while 260 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:58,480 Speaker 1: the entire civilizations and species rise and fall like a 261 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:02,000 Speaker 1: starship Earth kind of thing, like a little miniature version. Yeah, 262 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:04,000 Speaker 1: do you do you when you envision this? Do you 263 00:17:04,119 --> 00:17:08,120 Speaker 1: envision a spherical thing or do you envision like a 264 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:11,280 Speaker 1: enterprise type thing that it's got all the like it 265 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:13,960 Speaker 1: looks like a ship, It just got the interior of Earth. 266 00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:21,000 Speaker 1: I envisioned an inevitable breakdown. Oh sorry, I don't think. Yeah, 267 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:23,000 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think we could do it. I'm 268 00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:27,760 Speaker 1: pretty skeptical. Maybe it's just a science fiction but there 269 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:30,119 Speaker 1: there's so many problems that we have not thought of, 270 00:17:30,840 --> 00:17:36,080 Speaker 1: Like what happens to a what happens to a woman 271 00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:41,040 Speaker 1: who has has a child, right, conceives a child and 272 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:44,760 Speaker 1: then bears it to term in space and repeat that 273 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:49,680 Speaker 1: over How many generations are you speaking of an evolution 274 00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:54,600 Speaker 1: of what a human would become in that kind of environment. Well, 275 00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:57,920 Speaker 1: you know, over over that span of time, it might 276 00:17:57,920 --> 00:18:01,639 Speaker 1: be likely that certain traits would select for evolution. And 277 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:04,000 Speaker 1: I guess it also depends on how many people are there, 278 00:18:04,520 --> 00:18:06,240 Speaker 1: what kind of gene pool are we talking about? But 279 00:18:06,320 --> 00:18:08,760 Speaker 1: I was I was just talking about the ability to 280 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:14,399 Speaker 1: survive and reproduce successfully, Because what happens for the first 281 00:18:14,440 --> 00:18:19,479 Speaker 1: generation of children growing up in space will there uh? 282 00:18:20,160 --> 00:18:22,919 Speaker 1: Will their limbs their limbs right, will probably not be 283 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:27,520 Speaker 1: as developed most there some sort of continually functioning gravity, right, uh, 284 00:18:27,760 --> 00:18:31,800 Speaker 1: And who knows if they'll be able to reproduce. Oh man, 285 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:36,920 Speaker 1: So that's that's one way clearly not perfect, clearly not perfect? 286 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:40,880 Speaker 1: All right, Well, is there any other thing we could do? Well? 287 00:18:41,320 --> 00:18:45,680 Speaker 1: Here is here is I think our best and closest option. 288 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:50,720 Speaker 1: What's that? Just let's devise a different way to travel 289 00:18:51,320 --> 00:18:56,640 Speaker 1: through space, h right, and also also a different way 290 00:18:56,680 --> 00:19:00,240 Speaker 1: to get to space, yes, or you know, to outer 291 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:04,600 Speaker 1: space to escape Earth's gravity. So so, what's all this 292 00:19:04,760 --> 00:19:08,200 Speaker 1: that we've been hearing for the past what year three 293 00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:12,760 Speaker 1: about people discovering a new kind of warp drive. Well, 294 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:15,520 Speaker 1: you know, we've talked about the some of the possibilities 295 00:19:15,560 --> 00:19:18,240 Speaker 1: of a plasma engine. There have been a lot of 296 00:19:18,280 --> 00:19:23,239 Speaker 1: stories that you'll find on online about different ideas for 297 00:19:23,359 --> 00:19:26,800 Speaker 1: how to propel a ship once you're once you're in space. 298 00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:30,840 Speaker 1: And that's where this most recent one comes in, the 299 00:19:31,119 --> 00:19:35,600 Speaker 1: m drive. And uh, this thing is fascinating in the 300 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:40,399 Speaker 1: least it's a prototype rocket, is it? You know? Is 301 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:43,840 Speaker 1: it the real life warp drive? Maybe, at least that's 302 00:19:43,880 --> 00:19:48,639 Speaker 1: the way it's being described. It's this gentleman named Roger 303 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:54,399 Speaker 1: Shawyer there share And here's the thing. He claims his 304 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:59,320 Speaker 1: engine generates thrust by bouncing microwaves around inside this enclosed 305 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:04,720 Speaker 1: metal funnel. And since there's no mass or energy emerging 306 00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:10,520 Speaker 1: from the engine. He claims that this thing can propel 307 00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:14,800 Speaker 1: itself just through that, just through bouncing microwaves around inside 308 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:18,600 Speaker 1: this thing. And and if that's true, this would violate uh, 309 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:23,679 Speaker 1: some fundamental laws of physics. Yeah, specifically the third one. Uh, 310 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:28,000 Speaker 1: kind of Isaac Newton's breakout single on his ep of 311 00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:31,640 Speaker 1: the Laws of Motion, which was the the third law 312 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:35,879 Speaker 1: about action and reaction. According to a gentleman named Brian 313 00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:41,240 Speaker 1: Coberlin cobra Line, who is an astrophysicist at interview by 314 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:44,760 Speaker 1: space dot com, Uh, that that's one of the primary 315 00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:49,359 Speaker 1: problems with this. It's what Shaw, you're the scientists. Shaw, 316 00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:55,600 Speaker 1: you're saying is that he is creating propulsion without a propellant, 317 00:20:56,080 --> 00:21:02,000 Speaker 1: a car without gas. Right, Yes, there's there would still 318 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:04,720 Speaker 1: be energy expended, right because you if you wanted to 319 00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:07,920 Speaker 1: shoot microwaves into a thing, you're gonna have the power 320 00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:11,800 Speaker 1: whatever is firing the microwaves. Sure, yeah, and that, but 321 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:15,520 Speaker 1: they're saying that the thrust they're getting when none exists 322 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:19,400 Speaker 1: should be there and there's nothing, there's not a reaction 323 00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:23,879 Speaker 1: to the action, I guess. So people have attempted several 324 00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:28,680 Speaker 1: tests of this device and the listeners, you've probably heard 325 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:35,160 Speaker 1: the headlines or read something about NASA testing it, right, Yeah, well, 326 00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:38,479 Speaker 1: well kind of NASA, I guess kind of tested it 327 00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:41,879 Speaker 1: because we know NASA is a massive organization, all kinds 328 00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:46,840 Speaker 1: of different moving parts, different parts of NASA UM all 329 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:49,320 Speaker 1: these departments. But one of the departments is this tinle 330 00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:54,080 Speaker 1: outfit called Eagle Works. And uh, the staff is about 331 00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:58,480 Speaker 1: five scientists who test all kinds of unorthodox pieces of 332 00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:03,160 Speaker 1: technology for polection methods. It's headed up by Dr Harold 333 00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:07,960 Speaker 1: sunny White. Yep, and this group published a paper with 334 00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:14,120 Speaker 1: this drop dead sexy title, here goes anomalous thrust production 335 00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:17,159 Speaker 1: from an RF test device measured on a low thrust 336 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:22,560 Speaker 1: torsion pendulum. Is he getting hot in here? So? Anyway, 337 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:26,240 Speaker 1: this was back in and it was detailing experiments that 338 00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:29,240 Speaker 1: were conducted over a series of eight days in August 339 00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:37,119 Speaker 1: of Now here's the question, what's the anomaly that's occurring here? Well, 340 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:40,000 Speaker 1: according to the reports these engines, by the way, there 341 00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:43,720 Speaker 1: are more than one. There's more than one m drive. Uh, 342 00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:47,400 Speaker 1: they appear to work on some small level. So under 343 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:52,160 Speaker 1: testing they generated anywhere from fifty to seventy micro newtons 344 00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:57,320 Speaker 1: of I guess energy. As Professor Ethan Steviel notes, this 345 00:22:57,400 --> 00:23:01,080 Speaker 1: is less than the weight of a snowflake, which doesn't 346 00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:04,879 Speaker 1: seem very substantial to me. Uh, a guy sitting in 347 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:07,080 Speaker 1: a room in Atlanta, Georgia that doesn't know much at 348 00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:10,640 Speaker 1: all about physics, you will also hear. You'll also hear 349 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:14,320 Speaker 1: that in these tests, uh, fifty to seventy micro Newton's 350 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:19,760 Speaker 1: is small enough that it might not clear the rate 351 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:23,920 Speaker 1: of error in measuring it. Uh. So, well, here's the 352 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:26,639 Speaker 1: here's the thing though, Even if it is that minuscule, 353 00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:30,160 Speaker 1: perhaps it is just an error in testing. But if 354 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:37,080 Speaker 1: it's not, they seem to be getting this energy from nothing, 355 00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:40,800 Speaker 1: no fuel. Right. It's an idea that will send quite 356 00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:46,520 Speaker 1: a few physicists into a livid huff every time you 357 00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:49,080 Speaker 1: hear it. This is not the first time someone invented 358 00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:54,120 Speaker 1: an m drive or something. In China, female scientists name 359 00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:58,399 Speaker 1: while one young I believe I am mispronouncing that, and 360 00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:01,840 Speaker 1: I am sorry, doctor. Uh. She led a team of 361 00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:05,480 Speaker 1: folks and claim they had done it in two thousand 362 00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:09,280 Speaker 1: and twelve. Uh. And then they were if you look 363 00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:13,600 Speaker 1: at their papers, it's pretty technical. But they also they 364 00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:17,280 Speaker 1: were also measuring temperature as well. Um. And then a 365 00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:21,560 Speaker 1: guy named Guido Feda claims to have invented one too. 366 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:25,760 Speaker 1: He called it they can Canna drive. And this is 367 00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:29,399 Speaker 1: the one that NASA Eagle Works tested. There's a difficulty 368 00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:33,080 Speaker 1: here because the groups did not receive the same consistent 369 00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:38,160 Speaker 1: results and they don't agree why it's happening, and no 370 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:42,960 Speaker 1: one knows what's happening. And a lot of people, uh, 371 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:45,160 Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of people are coming out 372 00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:47,000 Speaker 1: of the woodwork to say, you know, this is utter 373 00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:53,560 Speaker 1: bunk um and and and it's strange sometimes because again, 374 00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:57,280 Speaker 1: when one has to be rigorous when measuring these sorts 375 00:24:57,320 --> 00:25:00,000 Speaker 1: of things and have a decent methodology, but you also 376 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:05,320 Speaker 1: find like a lot of character attacks where people are 377 00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:09,280 Speaker 1: people are saying, people are making the assumption that someone 378 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:14,880 Speaker 1: is automatically misleading the public, which I think is um. 379 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:18,720 Speaker 1: I think it's it's um funny, but I don't think 380 00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:22,320 Speaker 1: it's professional. Absolutely. It's that same thing that happens when 381 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:28,600 Speaker 1: let's say the bones of physics are being challenged, right 382 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:32,080 Speaker 1: because everyone in that field knows physics and they know 383 00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:34,240 Speaker 1: that this is the law and this is how it works. 384 00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:37,240 Speaker 1: And when someone comes along and says, well, perhaps that's 385 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:40,920 Speaker 1: not how it works, right, that's very dangerous, uh to 386 00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:44,800 Speaker 1: most of the establishment, I would say, Um, but the 387 00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:48,560 Speaker 1: great thing about science is that they there's an understanding 388 00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:52,120 Speaker 1: that change must occur or at least some if new 389 00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:55,159 Speaker 1: information comes in that is valid, then the whole system 390 00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:57,879 Speaker 1: can integrate that. Right. Yeah, Yeah, and that that's a 391 00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:00,240 Speaker 1: great point. And the more extraordinary claim is is the 392 00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:03,399 Speaker 1: more extraordinary the evidence should be supporting it. That's what 393 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:06,960 Speaker 1: a lot of people that That's what a a lot 394 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:09,879 Speaker 1: of people would argue. Right. So then for something like 395 00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:12,320 Speaker 1: this been it would need a lot of money to 396 00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:15,800 Speaker 1: be basically injected in so that there could be vigorous 397 00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:19,520 Speaker 1: testing of some device like this to the point where 398 00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:22,880 Speaker 1: you could either outright prove that this is happening or not. 399 00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:25,479 Speaker 1: But it seems as though, I mean it's kind of 400 00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:28,880 Speaker 1: on the fringe, this little small group of NASA that's 401 00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:31,600 Speaker 1: being tested, that's testing it, sure, because you don't want 402 00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:33,439 Speaker 1: to spend a whole lot of money on something that 403 00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:37,360 Speaker 1: is probably nothing. Right. Well, there, let's keep in mind 404 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:42,440 Speaker 1: that NASA Eagle works. Their task is to investigate these 405 00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:47,160 Speaker 1: things that have enormous risk in terms of costs and waste. 406 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:51,080 Speaker 1: Of money, and potentially they're kind of they're playing a 407 00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:54,160 Speaker 1: lottery in R and D lottery because potentially there there 408 00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:58,320 Speaker 1: could be some huge benefit. But let's go ahead and 409 00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:01,440 Speaker 1: move to some pros and con about this. So we said, 410 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:05,000 Speaker 1: the skeptics have some massive problems with this. What are 411 00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:07,640 Speaker 1: some of the cons Well, the first one is fairly obvious. 412 00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:11,520 Speaker 1: Why are the results of testing these M drives consistent? 413 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:15,880 Speaker 1: If they if you're using a technology that is emerging 414 00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:18,720 Speaker 1: like this, and you have you could lock down the variables, 415 00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:20,879 Speaker 1: then you should get the same results every time, or 416 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:26,119 Speaker 1: very similar results. Uh yeah. And then we also know 417 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:29,159 Speaker 1: that they were saying, of course, are the biases of 418 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:32,639 Speaker 1: the scientists skewing the test? Uh? You can read a 419 00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:37,320 Speaker 1: piece on Forbes about the M drive by a seagull, 420 00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:40,439 Speaker 1: I think the guy we mentioned earlier, and in that 421 00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:45,440 Speaker 1: you can tell it reads as though Seagull, this professor 422 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:48,840 Speaker 1: Siegel has just had it up to an over here 423 00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:53,680 Speaker 1: and down the street and up the road with with 424 00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:56,040 Speaker 1: this thing, because it sounds like an angry person on 425 00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:58,520 Speaker 1: this um and he makes some he makes some very 426 00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:01,960 Speaker 1: valid points too. He says, why the same results, how 427 00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:03,800 Speaker 1: do we know that something else didn't come in, but 428 00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:08,280 Speaker 1: he also said, Uh, the guy in charge of NASA 429 00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:11,919 Speaker 1: Eagle Works is no isn't I think the phrase he 430 00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:17,240 Speaker 1: uses is notorious for his support of unorthodox ideas. That's great, 431 00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:20,439 Speaker 1: That's exactly what that group needs. Oh and here's another 432 00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:24,159 Speaker 1: thing we should at least think about. Is it is 433 00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:28,880 Speaker 1: it a possibility that these tests were somehow compromised? Right? Yeah, yeah, 434 00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:32,520 Speaker 1: we're because what we mean when we say compromised is 435 00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:36,000 Speaker 1: was there some sort of intervening variable that was not 436 00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:39,920 Speaker 1: found otherwise, Like the first test that NASA Eagle Works 437 00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:44,480 Speaker 1: did with feta's engine, I believe they they tested it, 438 00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:48,320 Speaker 1: but they didn't test it in a vacuum. So people 439 00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:52,640 Speaker 1: responded by saying, well, of course, it appears like something's happening. 440 00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:57,520 Speaker 1: It was somehow receiving some input from the surrounding environment. 441 00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:00,240 Speaker 1: So they responded by testing it in a back hume. 442 00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:04,479 Speaker 1: But NASA, who I feel bad for man, because you know, 443 00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:11,000 Speaker 1: NASA has to dodge these overly hype science journalists. I'm 444 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:16,600 Speaker 1: sure constantly yes, with the BuzzFeed titles, right, NASA reporters 445 00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:22,000 Speaker 1: hate this shuttle find out why? Oh yeah they were. 446 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:25,360 Speaker 1: They were quick to say, like this organization is not 447 00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:28,880 Speaker 1: researching a warp drive, because that was the headline, right, 448 00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:31,720 Speaker 1: But that that's not the only other con. There's a 449 00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:35,960 Speaker 1: there's another big con. Right. Well, yeah, this this wouldn't 450 00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:39,200 Speaker 1: in no way be a warp drive. Um. It might 451 00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:42,200 Speaker 1: get people, you know, to the Moon in a few 452 00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:45,920 Speaker 1: hours of it worked, let's say, but you're not going 453 00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:48,120 Speaker 1: to reach the kind of speeds that you would need 454 00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:53,680 Speaker 1: to go warp speed or faster than the speed of light. Um, yeah, 455 00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:55,360 Speaker 1: that that's not gonna happen. You won't be able to 456 00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:58,600 Speaker 1: get to Pluto, let's say, just to go out and 457 00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:01,240 Speaker 1: argue at it that it's it is or is not 458 00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:04,440 Speaker 1: a planet and then get back you know, the same day. Yeah, 459 00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:08,440 Speaker 1: and this this has been I it's got to be 460 00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:10,920 Speaker 1: disappointing to a lot of people should read this headline 461 00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:13,960 Speaker 1: about warp drive. But it's not. It wouldn't be warp 462 00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:19,000 Speaker 1: drive the way that Star Trek is warp drive. You're 463 00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:24,560 Speaker 1: not You're not going to some infinite velocity. And at 464 00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:28,760 Speaker 1: this point, even if humanity did possess some kind of 465 00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:33,560 Speaker 1: engine or thing that was capable of this sort of propulsion, 466 00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:37,520 Speaker 1: we do not have the material science to build anything 467 00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:40,880 Speaker 1: that could withstand it. What do you shooting? How do 468 00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:43,160 Speaker 1: you move anything else with that drive? How does the 469 00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:45,440 Speaker 1: drive even go that fast? Now, we would just be 470 00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:49,440 Speaker 1: shooting an engine by itself into space, and maybe it can't. 471 00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:52,120 Speaker 1: Maybe we find it from an alien civilization and maybe 472 00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:55,760 Speaker 1: they couldn't build anything that could use this as an engine. 473 00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:59,520 Speaker 1: So maybe, uh, the entire story of civilization in this 474 00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:03,360 Speaker 1: galax see is people shooting around this engine because everything 475 00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:06,360 Speaker 1: we build around it falls apart. Guess what, Well, I 476 00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:08,160 Speaker 1: think it's time to write a short story. That's a 477 00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:11,920 Speaker 1: pretty good idea, isn't it. Yeah, well, we'll see, we'll 478 00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:13,719 Speaker 1: see if it works out watch. But there are pros. 479 00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:15,680 Speaker 1: I know it sounds very negative right now, but there 480 00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:20,960 Speaker 1: are pros. Uh, there may well be something occurring here 481 00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:25,600 Speaker 1: because these three groups testing the same pretty much the 482 00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:31,920 Speaker 1: same device have found something, right, or they say they 483 00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:34,560 Speaker 1: found something. There appears to be something, and perhaps we 484 00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:38,440 Speaker 1: don't use this device exactly how it's built. Now perhaps uh, 485 00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:41,280 Speaker 1: you know, like we said, perhaps it's nothing and we 486 00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:43,360 Speaker 1: can just throw it in the trash and forget about it. 487 00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:46,200 Speaker 1: The other people inventing it can move on something else. 488 00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:48,560 Speaker 1: But if there is something there. We could use that 489 00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:54,000 Speaker 1: as a starting point, right. And this, this concept of 490 00:31:54,480 --> 00:32:00,640 Speaker 1: people accidentally discovering a warp drive sounds sounds pretty cool, right, 491 00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:03,680 Speaker 1: But what I think we would end up looking at 492 00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:10,120 Speaker 1: is uh, finding a small I don't know, a little discrepancy, 493 00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:12,040 Speaker 1: a glitch in the matrix. That's how a lot of 494 00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:15,440 Speaker 1: big things start. Right. We see that waters tends to 495 00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:18,560 Speaker 1: bend light. We see these tiny things in the world 496 00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:21,960 Speaker 1: around us, and if we can just obsess over them 497 00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:25,520 Speaker 1: enough and ask the right questions, then eventually we can 498 00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:29,960 Speaker 1: arrive um at amazing realizations. And and there's there's something 499 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,840 Speaker 1: inspiring in that. But let's be honest, and I know 500 00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:35,200 Speaker 1: our family show, but let's be honest. That's a huge 501 00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:38,120 Speaker 1: pain in the ass. Yeah, it's a lot of time, 502 00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:40,320 Speaker 1: and it's a lot of money, and we'd like to 503 00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:42,720 Speaker 1: know what you guys think about it. If you'd like 504 00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:48,280 Speaker 1: to hear some more technical information about this, then we 505 00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:52,080 Speaker 1: are have good news for you because our friends over 506 00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:57,720 Speaker 1: at Forward Thinking UM, all three of whom have made 507 00:32:57,720 --> 00:32:59,800 Speaker 1: an appearance on our show at some point or another. 508 00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:07,240 Speaker 1: That is true. Yeah, so the same the same crew, Joe, Jonathan, 509 00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:11,040 Speaker 1: and Lauren Uh. They have an episode on the m 510 00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:15,280 Speaker 1: Drive right now that you can go check out as well. Um, 511 00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:18,800 Speaker 1: we hope you enjoy it. We have some other stuff 512 00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:24,520 Speaker 1: like we talked about and sloptic energy and radionics, and 513 00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:27,240 Speaker 1: we talked a little bit about jade Helm. But before 514 00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:30,960 Speaker 1: we go, we would like to do a little bit 515 00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:39,800 Speaker 1: of listener mail. Our first message comes from Marty and 516 00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:41,920 Speaker 1: he says, Hi, Matt and Ben, have you ever done 517 00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:44,600 Speaker 1: a show on televisions and other equipment in our homes 518 00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:48,160 Speaker 1: and their ability to spy on us? I think I've 519 00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:49,840 Speaker 1: watched most of your shows and I don't remember one 520 00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:52,320 Speaker 1: on that. Please forgive me if I missed it. Oh, sir, 521 00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:56,040 Speaker 1: you're forgiven either way. Do not. You do not need 522 00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:58,760 Speaker 1: forgiveness from us for any reason. But please watch the 523 00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:03,480 Speaker 1: rest of our videos. Okay, So, as I'm typing this, 524 00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:08,200 Speaker 1: I'm also wondering about the newer vehicles and their surveillance abilities. Oh, 525 00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:11,680 Speaker 1: he's putting stuff together, Martina's or is that the stuff 526 00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:13,960 Speaker 1: they don't want us to know? We all know that 527 00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:16,279 Speaker 1: our phone and emails and texts are being watched by 528 00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:18,319 Speaker 1: the powers that run our lives and dictate what we 529 00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:21,400 Speaker 1: can or cannot do or have all for the security 530 00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:24,799 Speaker 1: of the corporation we live in, or maybe it's just 531 00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:27,279 Speaker 1: for the security of the elite that runs the corporation 532 00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:30,160 Speaker 1: we live in. Yeah, that sounds more like it. I 533 00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:33,680 Speaker 1: like this Marty guy. He's interesting. Uh anyway, just something 534 00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:35,399 Speaker 1: to think about. Keep up the good work as long 535 00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:40,560 Speaker 1: as the powers that be allow you to do so well. So, uh, 536 00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:43,279 Speaker 1: you know, Marty, I I think that's a very good 537 00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:47,360 Speaker 1: point because this is something that we've talked about before. 538 00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:50,680 Speaker 1: And Matt, you know, this is a huge There is 539 00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:53,319 Speaker 1: a huge soap box for me. What what do you have? 540 00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:56,000 Speaker 1: I don't want to well, I will just say that 541 00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:59,440 Speaker 1: I have not upgraded my television for a long time 542 00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:04,160 Speaker 1: since since smart TVs have been around. I've got tape 543 00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:09,919 Speaker 1: on my front facing camera on my phone. Um, I'm 544 00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:13,640 Speaker 1: terrified about my vehicle being made in two thousand four, 545 00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:17,680 Speaker 1: which is I think right around the the pass the 546 00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:22,280 Speaker 1: cutoff date for when your car can be hacked easily. UM. 547 00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:24,560 Speaker 1: So yeah, I live. I live in this guy's world. 548 00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:27,520 Speaker 1: I understand what Marty's saying, Like, it's it's scary how 549 00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:31,480 Speaker 1: much surveillance occurs on each human being at all times. 550 00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:34,759 Speaker 1: You're the good news is your car. Can your car 551 00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:37,960 Speaker 1: specifically that I think could only really be hacked if 552 00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:41,680 Speaker 1: someone had direct access to the ECU. They'd have to 553 00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:45,279 Speaker 1: plug in. Yes, it's in that weird middle ground. Yeah, 554 00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:47,560 Speaker 1: with the e CU you can be hacked. But yeah 555 00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:50,640 Speaker 1: you can't. Like the new Mercedes, you couldn't somehow remotely 556 00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:56,919 Speaker 1: get into the computer. I hope. Um, wait till check 557 00:35:56,960 --> 00:36:00,200 Speaker 1: out the stuff at def Con. Right, that's find that out. 558 00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:04,680 Speaker 1: And we've done some episodes on hacking here at how 559 00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:07,440 Speaker 1: stuff works in general. We've done some episodes on car hacking. 560 00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:11,920 Speaker 1: Here is the Here. Here's why this is such a 561 00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:18,800 Speaker 1: great and frightening point, Marty, because the you'll remember, maybe 562 00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:21,200 Speaker 1: I don't know how old or young you are, but 563 00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:26,040 Speaker 1: you you probably remember how four years people would say 564 00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:30,960 Speaker 1: this is paranoia. Who could possibly be that important that 565 00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:33,359 Speaker 1: we would do that? And that makes a little bit 566 00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:37,880 Speaker 1: more sense before the age, before the computer age, honestly, 567 00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:42,240 Speaker 1: because back during for instance, back during UH the Civil 568 00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:47,319 Speaker 1: rights era, right when people agitating for equal rights as 569 00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:51,680 Speaker 1: human beings in the US were doggedly pursued with wire 570 00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:56,720 Speaker 1: tapping and with UH letter tampering and things like that, 571 00:36:56,719 --> 00:37:01,600 Speaker 1: that took concerted physical effort. But why happened to be 572 00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:04,160 Speaker 1: in the room next to the person having a meeting 573 00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:07,680 Speaker 1: and literally tapped through the wall. Right, Yeah, you had 574 00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:09,760 Speaker 1: to find agency, you had to have feet on the ground, 575 00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:12,239 Speaker 1: and even if you were in the headquarters, you were 576 00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:16,880 Speaker 1: still like mailing people stuff and making making phone calls 577 00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:21,160 Speaker 1: on landline phones. What what I'm saying here is that 578 00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:26,799 Speaker 1: we encountered a gift and accursive sorts as as a 579 00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:30,400 Speaker 1: species in the age, in the computer age, the cost 580 00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:34,480 Speaker 1: of information and let's measure that by the money it 581 00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:36,800 Speaker 1: takes you to send a message somewhere or the time 582 00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:39,920 Speaker 1: it takes for that message to travel. Both of those reduced. 583 00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:45,240 Speaker 1: Is now it is now cheaper to talk to anyone 584 00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:48,680 Speaker 1: than it has ever been before and maybe ever will 585 00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:51,600 Speaker 1: be again. But with that means it's cheaper too. It's 586 00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:54,120 Speaker 1: easier to maybe that would be a better word. It's 587 00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:57,480 Speaker 1: easier to collect more stuff. You don't have to wait 588 00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:00,839 Speaker 1: and intercept physical mail. You just have to have a 589 00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:03,719 Speaker 1: shunt in a room, in a cell phone or an 590 00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:07,160 Speaker 1: I s P provider, right, and that and that shunt 591 00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:11,560 Speaker 1: goes directly to a collection warehouse somewhere, and it's just 592 00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:15,720 Speaker 1: hoarding that people might not ever look at information hoarders. Yeah, 593 00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:17,960 Speaker 1: I would love to see there's like one episode and 594 00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:21,759 Speaker 1: then we would get canceled. But but this this thing 595 00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:26,160 Speaker 1: is it's not as it's not as crazy as so 596 00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:29,840 Speaker 1: many people one wanted it to sound. And and Marty, 597 00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:32,520 Speaker 1: you might I think you might enjoy how many of 598 00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:36,360 Speaker 1: the people who said this was you know, some bizarro 599 00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:42,359 Speaker 1: dystopian fantasy now have all of a sudden switched so 600 00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:45,719 Speaker 1: quickly to say, oh, yeah, well everybody knew that. Yeah, 601 00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:48,640 Speaker 1: when you were the one saying it was crazy. But 602 00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:51,920 Speaker 1: that's just you know, that's a cognitive dissonance, right. People 603 00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:55,840 Speaker 1: are very good, Uh, people are very good curators of 604 00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:59,799 Speaker 1: their memories, especially at the times when they they wish 605 00:38:59,880 --> 00:39:02,960 Speaker 1: they had done something different. But but we see this 606 00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:06,399 Speaker 1: happening in video game consoles. And I think it's an 607 00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:12,719 Speaker 1: excellent question about cars because the monitoring for cars is 608 00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:16,880 Speaker 1: going to increase at a faster pace than many other things, 609 00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:20,200 Speaker 1: partly because it's going to catch up to current technology, 610 00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:26,319 Speaker 1: and partially because there is a the push toward autonomous 611 00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:29,120 Speaker 1: cars means they're gonna leap frog over a lot of 612 00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:34,120 Speaker 1: earlier surveillance technology. Um partially for insurance purposes, a lot 613 00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:37,319 Speaker 1: of it. Did you see that article, U, Marty, Maybe 614 00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:40,400 Speaker 1: you saw too the there's an article about Google's driverless 615 00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:43,080 Speaker 1: cars and the number of accidents that they've been involved 616 00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:47,239 Speaker 1: in was that three? It was eleven I think out 617 00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:51,680 Speaker 1: of one point seven million miles traveled. And I don't 618 00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:53,680 Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm completely correct, but I leave 619 00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:57,279 Speaker 1: I believe that one million of those miles approximately, we're 620 00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:02,520 Speaker 1: done completely driverless, and I think seven of the accidents 621 00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:05,800 Speaker 1: happened during that time. But it never ever was it 622 00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:09,680 Speaker 1: the autonomous cars fault. There was a person. There's always 623 00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:12,560 Speaker 1: like another driver on the road where I know at 624 00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:15,640 Speaker 1: least three times it was the laws that will in 625 00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:19,200 Speaker 1: states that allow for autonomous testing like this, they just 626 00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:21,600 Speaker 1: to be clear, they do still have to have a 627 00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:24,919 Speaker 1: driver engineer in the car sitting in the driver's seat. 628 00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:28,440 Speaker 1: They're just not driving ideally. And I guess seven times 629 00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:32,560 Speaker 1: they tried no, I'm I am kidding. I hope everybody's fine, 630 00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:35,160 Speaker 1: but but yeah, you're right, Marty, And I've got a 631 00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:37,160 Speaker 1: question for you. We'd like to hear back from you 632 00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:40,319 Speaker 1: on this. Uh do you think that will be eventually 633 00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:46,680 Speaker 1: illegal to drive a car manually and if so, when wow? 634 00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:50,000 Speaker 1: Or will it ever be illegal to have the camera 635 00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:53,480 Speaker 1: on whatever device you're working on, like your computer or 636 00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:56,680 Speaker 1: your television taped over it turned on whatever, be illegal 637 00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:59,279 Speaker 1: to not have it on? Will you get fined if 638 00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:04,080 Speaker 1: you close your eyes? Right mirror reference? All right, We'll 639 00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:06,440 Speaker 1: do one more letter because I apparently had to go 640 00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:10,000 Speaker 1: on a monologue excited. All right, So Jimmy from l 641 00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:12,040 Speaker 1: A writes to us and says, hey, Ben and Matt, 642 00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:15,640 Speaker 1: thanks for the outstanding work. Let's address Jade Helm fifteen. 643 00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:19,440 Speaker 1: As a former soldier, joint operation training was common, usually 644 00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:22,440 Speaker 1: conducted every six months. The reason for the training was 645 00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:26,000 Speaker 1: to get multiple units to communicate a maneuver effectively during 646 00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:29,760 Speaker 1: tactical operations. When I was overseas in the early days 647 00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:33,640 Speaker 1: of Operation Iraqi Freedom, I witnessed units accidentally shoot each 648 00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:36,600 Speaker 1: other and moved to unfortified positions under the command of 649 00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:40,360 Speaker 1: brigade commanders. The results were disastrous by the loss of 650 00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:43,839 Speaker 1: American and Rocky lives. The training was supposed to quell 651 00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:48,200 Speaker 1: officers egos and get them to work in unison. Many officers, 652 00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:51,600 Speaker 1: lieutenant colonels and colonels were jocking for a general's promotion. 653 00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:55,759 Speaker 1: The orders from these promotion crazed officers was getting many 654 00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:59,800 Speaker 1: soldiers killed by aggressive operations and lack of cooperative playing 655 00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:03,279 Speaker 1: between the units and the quest for advancing their resumes. 656 00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:07,080 Speaker 1: The paranoia, in my opinion, and he's talking about about 657 00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:10,680 Speaker 1: Jade Hellmire, was caused by the Texas governor giving validation 658 00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:14,400 Speaker 1: to the right wing conspiracy theoristic accusations and the dispatch 659 00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:18,080 Speaker 1: of the National Guard a waste of taxpayer money. Again, 660 00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:20,800 Speaker 1: thanks for the show, Keep up the good work. Best regards. 661 00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:24,120 Speaker 1: Jimmy from l A and he has a PS question too. 662 00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:26,480 Speaker 1: He says, is the new format for the new year, 663 00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:30,000 Speaker 1: uh to make less traditional videos, more vlogs and podcasts. 664 00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:38,000 Speaker 1: Oh okay, Well, so that's really interesting to get that insight. 665 00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:39,759 Speaker 1: And like we were saying at the top of the show, 666 00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:42,960 Speaker 1: we were getting all kinds of insights from different, uh, 667 00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:48,440 Speaker 1: different perspectives. Um, that is something I've never thought about before. 668 00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:57,160 Speaker 1: The internal umzation. Yeah, the competition amongst military remembers. M hmm. 669 00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:00,560 Speaker 1: You know, I I completely get this too. We know 670 00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:05,000 Speaker 1: that there is a huge necessity for these kinds of things, 671 00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:07,560 Speaker 1: but I don't know if a lot of people think 672 00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:10,800 Speaker 1: about what would happen if you just had a poorly 673 00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:15,680 Speaker 1: trained military just dropped off in some place, given a tank, 674 00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:20,719 Speaker 1: given some more armored vehicles and saying this city. We've 675 00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:26,000 Speaker 1: seen some examples of that with different groups. UM. I 676 00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:27,759 Speaker 1: don't I don't know what you would label them, either 677 00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:30,760 Speaker 1: label them insurgents or freedom fighters depending on which side drawn. 678 00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:35,359 Speaker 1: But small, small armies that are made up of people 679 00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:37,719 Speaker 1: who are just fighting in let's say their hometown or 680 00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:43,319 Speaker 1: their home state, UM, like in everywhere, like all over 681 00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:46,919 Speaker 1: the we've been seeing it more and more unfortunately, UM 682 00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:49,680 Speaker 1: where you just have people with weaponry that perhaps are 683 00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:52,680 Speaker 1: not trained with that weaponry, and you'll see accidents or 684 00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:56,160 Speaker 1: you know, an RPG goes off in the wrong way, 685 00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:59,640 Speaker 1: friendly fire, or have we just been hearing more about it? 686 00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:05,080 Speaker 1: Um And also Jimmy, I I am on the same 687 00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:08,200 Speaker 1: page with you at least about the cause of the 688 00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:12,440 Speaker 1: paranoia regarding jade Helm. Again, I don't know what's going 689 00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:15,400 Speaker 1: to happen, Like, I don't know what kind of exercises 690 00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:17,719 Speaker 1: are going to be conducted and what the effect is 691 00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:20,759 Speaker 1: going to be on the local population. Right when if 692 00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:23,280 Speaker 1: you drive somewhere and the roads are closed or something. 693 00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:27,759 Speaker 1: But I do see, I do see point here to 694 00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:31,359 Speaker 1: respond to with the Texas National Guard, that's what that's 695 00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:33,840 Speaker 1: what Jimmy's mentioning in his letter. If you guys recall 696 00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:37,360 Speaker 1: in our videos in their audio about Jade Helm, we 697 00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:45,000 Speaker 1: talked about the the relative autonomy of the Texas military forces, right, 698 00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:49,640 Speaker 1: and the National Guard being called in made some people 699 00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:56,080 Speaker 1: feel that the state level governance of Texas did not 700 00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:59,560 Speaker 1: trust the federal level governance of the US. But then 701 00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:03,480 Speaker 1: I think there was somebody who it was either on 702 00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:06,120 Speaker 1: YouTube or email, also written in and said, well, this 703 00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:10,759 Speaker 1: is part of a normal reserve operation. They're they're mobilized 704 00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:13,560 Speaker 1: to be on reserve the same way they would be 705 00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:17,279 Speaker 1: if something was actually going down. So I'm I'm not 706 00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:20,560 Speaker 1: sure which, I'm not sure which it is, but I'd 707 00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:23,320 Speaker 1: love to hear from some listeners on that and that 708 00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:26,040 Speaker 1: I've got to toss the question to you regarding the 709 00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:31,359 Speaker 1: uh question about less traditional videos, more vlogs, et cetera. Okay, Yeah, 710 00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:34,759 Speaker 1: so our show has been evolving ever since it's come out. 711 00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:39,319 Speaker 1: It's very different from our first CFR episode anything. It's 712 00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:42,239 Speaker 1: always a work in progress. Oh yeah, sure, And and 713 00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:44,520 Speaker 1: we're trying to make improvements. That's really what we're doing. 714 00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:47,399 Speaker 1: We're listening to feedback. We're kind of seeing what works 715 00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:51,000 Speaker 1: and what doesn't our on our end, and you know, 716 00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:54,120 Speaker 1: I think we're coming up with a a better version 717 00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:58,040 Speaker 1: of our show right now. Yeah. We're also we've we've 718 00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:02,479 Speaker 1: still got the not just the classic episodes, but we've 719 00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:05,440 Speaker 1: been looking at case by case basis stuff too, Like 720 00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:07,880 Speaker 1: there's some stuff that where the story is better told 721 00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:11,000 Speaker 1: to the old format. Uh, there are a few things 722 00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:17,880 Speaker 1: that sometimes for ethical considerations, we are not going to 723 00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:21,759 Speaker 1: do as an old as an old style format thing 724 00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:25,640 Speaker 1: like there's um there, you know there there's some very 725 00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:28,720 Speaker 1: messed up things in the world that are better suited 726 00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:32,000 Speaker 1: as an audio podcast perhaps, Yes. And and also there 727 00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:33,840 Speaker 1: are several things that we've tried to cover that we 728 00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:36,879 Speaker 1: just can't find footage for um. And you know, rather 729 00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:39,439 Speaker 1: than make an episode that just has stock images all 730 00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:44,040 Speaker 1: over it from video blocks or somewhere else. Um, we 731 00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:48,000 Speaker 1: we think it works better, um when it's kind of 732 00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:52,200 Speaker 1: told like a story. Yeah. And we we know that 733 00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:57,120 Speaker 1: there's we see the division sometimes on on YouTube comments especially, 734 00:46:57,680 --> 00:47:00,800 Speaker 1: and we we appreciate the support as we moved forward. 735 00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:05,480 Speaker 1: I think you know, the first the first couple of 736 00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:11,320 Speaker 1: blogs we did. We're well intentioned, but we'll see frs. 737 00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:15,319 Speaker 1: You know, that's what we do. Yeah, and we're still 738 00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:21,440 Speaker 1: learning and hopefully we're learning stuff that is worthwhile for 739 00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:26,680 Speaker 1: this show. This time we talked about another current event, 740 00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:28,520 Speaker 1: which we're going to have to come back and check 741 00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:32,200 Speaker 1: on when we hear some of the final verdicts about 742 00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:35,520 Speaker 1: the e M drive. Um, it might disappear from the 743 00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:37,759 Speaker 1: news for a few years the way it did in 744 00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:43,000 Speaker 1: when the Chinese team first reported it. But it might 745 00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:47,560 Speaker 1: turn out to be of Halthways stars or or just 746 00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:51,839 Speaker 1: a very simple variable that we missed. But I'll tell 747 00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:55,040 Speaker 1: you one thing that so fascinating to me about all 748 00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:59,279 Speaker 1: this stuff. Man, I'm one of those suckers for that 749 00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:04,520 Speaker 1: Sagan's beach. I'm totally on board about going to the stars. 750 00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:08,400 Speaker 1: I would sign up. And you know, I knew Mars, 751 00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:11,000 Speaker 1: the Mars one thing was probably going to be a scam. 752 00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:14,440 Speaker 1: But did I apply. Yeah? I did. And I thought 753 00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:17,359 Speaker 1: it was a very awkward conversation to have with like 754 00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:22,200 Speaker 1: family or dating partners to say, um, oh, hey, what 755 00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:24,560 Speaker 1: are you doing. I'm signing up for a one way 756 00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:27,440 Speaker 1: trip to space. Oh all right, well then I'll just 757 00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:31,600 Speaker 1: you know, right, yeah, I guess I'm going to moms 758 00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:36,200 Speaker 1: by myself. But but yeah, I I think that it 759 00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:39,560 Speaker 1: is an important thing for humanity to do. I don't 760 00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:43,319 Speaker 1: know if it will occur in our lifetimes or even 761 00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:47,040 Speaker 1: even if we'll have a colony on the Moon, but um, 762 00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:50,560 Speaker 1: I keep a sharp eye on anything that might further 763 00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:53,080 Speaker 1: that goal. What about you, man, what do you think 764 00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:56,640 Speaker 1: about this whole engine? I am hopeful. I mean this 765 00:48:56,840 --> 00:48:59,799 Speaker 1: this engine, I don't I don't think much is gonna 766 00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:01,640 Speaker 1: come out of it. But I am hopeful though that 767 00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:06,680 Speaker 1: either the some of the plasma propulsion systems or some 768 00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:11,439 Speaker 1: other system including perhaps a space elevator, are going to 769 00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:13,839 Speaker 1: work in combination to get us to a point where 770 00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:18,719 Speaker 1: we can, you know, turn the Moon into a death star. Right, 771 00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:23,520 Speaker 1: hopefully a lifestyle. I don't know what. What doesn't George 772 00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:28,480 Speaker 1: Lucas owned the rights to the phrase death death star. No, oh, 773 00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:30,799 Speaker 1: you're gonna have to beef that and all. Sorry. Yes, 774 00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:33,919 Speaker 1: let's hope the U N Resolutions hold in the moon 775 00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:38,120 Speaker 1: belongs to the people. But as we see, copyright infringement 776 00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:41,479 Speaker 1: is becoming a bigger and bigger deal every day. Cough 777 00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:45,920 Speaker 1: cough tpp cough cough. But this, this brings us to 778 00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:49,520 Speaker 1: know we gotta we gotta ask you this question. It's 779 00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:52,239 Speaker 1: it's pretty important. Yeah, please listen up, all right, wait 780 00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:55,279 Speaker 1: in for us here, ghost walker. Would you take a 781 00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:59,399 Speaker 1: one way trip to space or to uh to live 782 00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:03,040 Speaker 1: on a different planet? Oh? I thought it was gonna be. 783 00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:06,560 Speaker 1: I thought I was gonna have an option, okay, or 784 00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:11,359 Speaker 1: or stay here? Yeah? What I mean one way? Like 785 00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:13,560 Speaker 1: I how long? How long do I have to go 786 00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:17,839 Speaker 1: for forever? Yeah? One way? What will the amenities be like? 787 00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:23,040 Speaker 1: There will there will be like a town and there 788 00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:26,400 Speaker 1: will be people there who have been selected based on 789 00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:31,840 Speaker 1: like you, their their attractiveness, the um the only store 790 00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:37,440 Speaker 1: is hot topic though, boy, you were you're making Okay, 791 00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:40,200 Speaker 1: See here's the thing. I would totally take a one 792 00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:43,040 Speaker 1: way trip into space right now, and that I don't 793 00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:45,839 Speaker 1: think you would, absolutely not, right, So I think we're 794 00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:50,839 Speaker 1: both trying to sway you to I just I would 795 00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:53,920 Speaker 1: need more information. You're not. You're not. This sounds what 796 00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:57,080 Speaker 1: if you were the first person on the planet who 797 00:50:57,560 --> 00:51:00,359 Speaker 1: you got to land and say the thing that would 798 00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:03,040 Speaker 1: be later there'd be a statue of you a selfie 799 00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:07,640 Speaker 1: stick with an HD camera, a space selfie stick. I'm 800 00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:10,680 Speaker 1: gonna say no, I'm gonna I'm gonna go with a no. 801 00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:13,479 Speaker 1: I respect you guys. Don't miss both of you very much. 802 00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:16,040 Speaker 1: You're just taking off then, I don't I thought you 803 00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:19,000 Speaker 1: were just gonna shoot your ashes into space. Ben, you know, 804 00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:21,400 Speaker 1: I like I always thinking about that. No, listen, I 805 00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:23,440 Speaker 1: know that might sound morbid, you guys, but I think 806 00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:25,560 Speaker 1: I would like to save up for the whole body, 807 00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:30,600 Speaker 1: because if I discovered an alien floating through space, I 808 00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:33,279 Speaker 1: wouldn't want to think, Oh man, somebody wrapped up all 809 00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:37,240 Speaker 1: this space dirt. This is the frozen body of frozen 810 00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:42,560 Speaker 1: carcass of Yeah, but in a cool pose like maybe 811 00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:48,160 Speaker 1: with the guitar. I don't know. It's gonna be expensive. 812 00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:50,439 Speaker 1: It's gonna be my version of a pyramid. It's gonna 813 00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:53,080 Speaker 1: I'm gonna work all my life on that one. We're 814 00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:56,479 Speaker 1: here for you if you need anything. 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