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Speaker 1: talk to you about a brand new book called Goodbye Hello,

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Speaker 1: Processing Grief and Understanding Death through the Paranormal. Now, how

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Speaker 1: with us here, Voxination and series XM one eleven. First

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Speaker 2: We're trying to lure John out of hiding. If we succeed,

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Speaker 4: Do you have a name?

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Speaker 5: How old are you?

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Speaker 4: He's eating them. Our reason for being here is to

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Speaker 3: What about it? Manic?

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Speaker 4: Do you need help? This is Amy there's a lot

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Speaker 3: I'm having trouble keeping up and more. I found a

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Speaker 3: So my question to you is, are you or do

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Speaker 1: Joining me an all star panel to make sense of

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Speaker 1: Adam Barrybooks dot com. His new book just released, Adam

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Speaker 1: Barry Warning, You've got a lot of skeptics on the

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Speaker 1: However, if it's real, then some people could be persuaded

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Speaker 6: I haven't gone to you.

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Speaker 2: Waverly Hills is a sanatorium hospital tuberculosis hospital that was

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Speaker 6: Stop stop stop shop Adam.

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Speaker 1: If I don't believe in ghosts, why would I buy

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Speaker 2: So I grew up in Muscle Shoals, Alabama. I'm born

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Speaker 1: Stop right there, stop right there, right there, Darryl Cohen

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Speaker 3: Wait a minute, something weird and black just went across

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I've honestly never seen anything like it.

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Speaker 3: So this is upstairs in the master bedroom, right right

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Speaker 5: That's weird.

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Speaker 1: So in that sound at a Barry where you steal

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Speaker 2: No, So that is the Harrisville Farmhouse, known mostly as

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Speaker 2: the Conjuring House from the Conjuring movies. And when people say, oh,

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Speaker 2: We did have activity, it was intense at times, but

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Speaker 6: What do you mean activity, I.

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Speaker 2: Mean anything that you cannot explain supernatural or paranormal, something

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Speaker 1: So do you believe, Adam Barry, that they supernatural can

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Speaker 1: I believe it. Question, Adam, when was your next supernatural experience?

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Speaker 1: That's fourth grade?

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Speaker 2: So the next time I had a life changing experience

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Speaker 6: Okay, white, Why white? Why white? Right there?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Darryl Cohen and doctor Angela Arnold and Nicole part Crime

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Speaker 1: Online dot Com and everyone jump on with questions. While

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Speaker 1: I've got Adam Barry, author of a brand new book

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Speaker 1: Goodbye Hello, Processing Grief and Understanding Death through the par

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Speaker 6: I'm guessing I'll let's explain this later.

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Speaker 1: That the gist of the book is I can confirm

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Speaker 6: Again, if a witness.

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Speaker 1: Told me that if someone was lying, I would expect

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Speaker 5: Well, Nancy, it seems it seems real. Now. I am

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Speaker 5: Real, not unless there's something else to go with it,

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Speaker 5: Not unless there's something tangible that can be seen, felt,

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Speaker 1: Let me correct my statement. If there's not a witness

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Speaker 1: Now, according to what I know, Adam Barry, your family

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Speaker 2: When I was growing up, my parents didn't really pay

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Speaker 2: I was in Gettysburg, Pennsylvania, and I took a ghost tour.

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Speaker 2: Hundred per And what's crazy is we've taken I've taken

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Speaker 1: I spoke to her and she was just as down

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Speaker 1: Crime online dot Com investigative reporter, This woman, Eda Smith

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Speaker 1: has I can only call it a vision, and.

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Speaker 1: was wearing her white uniform, having just got off from work.

446
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Speaker 1: Nicole Parton when she tells police what she and her children,

447
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Speaker 1: she takes her children out there have discovered.

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Speaker 6: What do they do?

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Speaker 7: Well, obviously the body is found, but now she's in

450
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Speaker 7: trouble because who would know this much detail about where

451
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Speaker 7: the body was unless you had something to do with

452
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Speaker 7: the murder. So they arrest this poor lady, thinking that

453
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Speaker 7: she had something to do with the crime.

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Speaker 1: You're absolutely right, Nicole Parton. Take a listen to our

455
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Speaker 1: cut eleven.

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Speaker 9: Well, they said I knew too much about it not

457
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Speaker 9: to have been involved, because I had described in detail

458
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Speaker 9: where she was up this canyon road on the side,

459
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Speaker 9: on the right side, with a dirt path going to

460
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Speaker 9: her and a hill behind her. I said I had

461
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Speaker 9: to have been there to have known that.

462
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Speaker 1: The questioning of miss Eda Smith went on and on.

463
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Speaker 1: Listen to cut twelve.

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Speaker 8: It went on for hours. It went on till ten thirty,

465
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Speaker 8: maybe at night. I don't think they're believing me. I

466
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Speaker 8: kept telling them the same thing. But this one officer,

467
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Speaker 8: he became really belligerent through a chair and raised his

468
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Speaker 8: voice to intimidate me. What you think I'm involved in this?

469
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Speaker 8: I was capable of this. My husband would have been

470
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Speaker 8: dead a long time ago. I'll take a light detective test.

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Speaker 8: I'll prove to you I don't know anything about this

472
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Speaker 8: other than what I've told you.

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Speaker 4: They take her up on the offer.

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Speaker 8: They said, you fail. That went all conversation was over.

475
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Speaker 8: They transported me to the Van Eys jail and I

476
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Speaker 8: was booked and put in a cell.

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Speaker 1: You're hearing curious true heroes, but that's not all that

478
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Speaker 1: happened to miss at a smith take us an hour thirteen.

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Speaker 8: I am strip searched, I am cavity searched. I try

480
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Speaker 8: to do the right thing, and I end up in jail.

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Speaker 10: She went out on a limb to try and find someone,

482
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Speaker 10: although in an unconventional way, and she was successful, and

483
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Speaker 10: for that she was literally brutalized for four days.

484
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Speaker 8: I got dysentery and lost twelve pounds and seventy two hours.

485
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Speaker 10: There was no probable cause for her to be arrested

486
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Speaker 10: simply because she found the body in an unusual way,

487
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Speaker 10: and arresting her for that for murder. I'm glad the

488
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Speaker 10: jury agreed with us and the judge agree that having

489
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Speaker 10: a psychic phenomenon is not probable cause to arrest.

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Speaker 1: Someone, Isn't it true? Nicole parton crime online dot Com.

491
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Speaker 1: She turned around and sued the police department, and.

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Speaker 7: One she did absolutely because she in fact had nothing

493
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Speaker 7: to do with the crime, nothing at all, and she

494
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Speaker 7: had been falsely accused and mistreated in this horrific way.

495
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Speaker 1: And what really happened is, as she told me, is

496
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Speaker 1: that the nurse victim got off of work from a

497
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Speaker 1: late shift and was at a red light, and a

498
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Speaker 1: group of guys pulled up beside her and started heckling her,

499
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Speaker 1: and they decided that they would kidnap and rape her,

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Speaker 1: and then they killed her and dubbed her body out

501
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Speaker 1: in that canyon area. Her body would have clearly over

502
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Speaker 1: time disintegrated, decomposed. The case may never have been solved

503
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Speaker 1: if not for the vision miss Eta.

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Speaker 6: Told me that she had.

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Speaker 1: And there's really no other way to explain it. Now,

506
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Speaker 1: would I bring it into evidence? I don't know that

507
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Speaker 1: I would. I don't know what I would do in

508
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Speaker 1: that situation. I'd have to think long and hard about it,

509
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Speaker 1: because isn't it true?

510
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Speaker 6: Darryl Cohen? You bring in one fact.

511
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Speaker 1: That the juries the jurors reject, and that can cast

512
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:46,880
Speaker 1: doubt on your entire case, and your whole case could go,

513
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Speaker 1: as I like to say, legal term, right down the crapper.

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Speaker 5: Oh absolutely, Nancy, if everybody is focused on one thing

515
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Speaker 5: and one thing only, like the.

516
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Speaker 6: Glove, the glove, oh Jaja, the one glove.

517
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Speaker 5: It didn't say well that there was more to it,

518
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:07,600
Speaker 5: but that was the Johnny Cochrane antice that worked. But

519
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:11,400
Speaker 5: that's another story for another trial. But absolutely, you bring

520
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:14,920
Speaker 5: in something picked from air, out of the blue didn't exist.

521
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:17,560
Speaker 5: Oh my gosh, are you kidding me? All that we

522
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:19,280
Speaker 5: previously heard is not true.

523
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Speaker 6: Yeah, light the glove. Everybody focused on that.

524
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Speaker 1: If I were to introduce mss Eda, who I found

525
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Speaker 1: to be very credible, the jury could focus on that

526
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:29,800
Speaker 1: instead of all the other evidence.

527
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:34,359
Speaker 5: Daryl Cohen taking away we're focusing on everything. All of

528
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:37,679
Speaker 5: a sudden, something from the far left our right shows up,

529
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:41,800
Speaker 5: and it's unusual, unique, and we're going to focus on that,

530
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Speaker 5: and we're going to forget everything else that took place

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Speaker 5: because they took away our staring, our ability to be

532
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Speaker 5: completely precise. And this is something that we have to

533
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Speaker 5: consider now because it's different. It's not what it was.

534
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Speaker 5: Are you kidding me? Are you really serious?

535
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Speaker 1: But just because you can't introduce it into evidence does

536
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Speaker 1: not mean it's not real.

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Speaker 6: Take a list an hour cut.

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Speaker 4: To something is running.

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Speaker 7: Down my back like.

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Speaker 4: Yes, like a fall, like pet down.

541
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Speaker 5: My back.

542
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Speaker 4: Like gently? Yeah, so what Roger was describing?

543
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Speaker 5: Yeah, she just do this to my back right, let

544
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Speaker 5: me know that she was there. That was.

545
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Speaker 4: Crazy.

546
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Speaker 1: Prime Stories with Nancy Grace, Adam Barry is with us

547
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Speaker 1: termal researcher, executive producer, star of Kindred's Spirits on the

548
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Speaker 1: Travel Channel and Discovery. He's got a brand new book, Goodbye, Hello,

549
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Speaker 1: Processing Grief and Understanding Death through the Paranormal, just released,

550
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Speaker 1: Adam Barry. Please don't take it in a Let me

551
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Speaker 1: just say detegrating way.

552
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Speaker 6: I'm not saying I don't believe or do believe.

553
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Speaker 1: I'm arguing with Darryl Cohen about the practicality of introducing

554
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Speaker 1: paranormal activity of any sort, including clairvoyance in at trial.

555
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Speaker 6: And miss Ada was one.

556
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Speaker 1: We would do multiple shows when I was guest hosting

557
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Speaker 1: for Larry King on Psychic Detectives because Larry absolutely did

558
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Speaker 1: not believe in psychics in any way and he did

559
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Speaker 1: not want to do the show. So I'm, you know,

560
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 1: working at Court TV at I'll do it. Whatever it is,

561
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Speaker 1: I'll do it. So I had never even considered supernatural

562
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 1: activity or psidekicks in any way until then, and we

563
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Speaker 1: would do entire programs for I would walk off sy

564
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Speaker 1: going what just happened. I can't make sense of it,

565
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Speaker 1: I can't explain it. And that's where you come in, Adam, Mary,

566
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Speaker 1: you applied to get on with ghost hunters.

567
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Speaker 2: Why I wanted to travel the country and search for

568
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Speaker 2: the afterlife. I wanted to see if it was real.

569
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Speaker 2: I wanted to have my own experience. I wanted to

570
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Speaker 2: see it for myself. I didn't want someone to tell

571
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Speaker 2: me the ghosts were real or not real. I wanted

572
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Speaker 2: to make up my own mind. And that is why

573
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Speaker 2: I started to do what I did, and about introducing

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Speaker 2: it to evidence, like I honestly, I don't think you

575
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Speaker 2: can introduce paranormal like things that I captured, like on

576
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Speaker 2: the video or on audio. I think that would be

577
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Speaker 2: very hard to introduce into court because you know, everything

578
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:03,600
Speaker 2: that we do is theory, right, it hasn't been proven

579
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Speaker 2: one hundred percent, even psychics.

580
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Speaker 5: It's hard.

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Speaker 2: I mean, that story is crazy, that she found this body.

582
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Speaker 2: That's an insane story to me. And it was like

583
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Speaker 2: literally a modern day witch hunt from the police department.

584
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Speaker 2: They took her, they arrested her. They because they could

585
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Speaker 2: not exactly, they could not grasp it, they could not

586
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 2: understand it. And you know, there are things that are

587
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 2: that happen in this world that we don't have to understand.

588
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 2: For instance, Amy and I were investigating an old Masonic

589
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:32,160
Speaker 2: temple and we got evidence from a spirit that said

590
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Speaker 2: I was left down here, that their body was left

591
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Speaker 2: in the basement. And I said, where in the front

592
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Speaker 2: part of the basement, in the middle part of the basement?

593
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Speaker 2: Are in the back? And it says the back, And

594
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Speaker 2: so what did we do. We called in a cadaver

595
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Speaker 2: dog to search the basement and lo and behold, the

596
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Speaker 2: dog landed on one specific spot in the back of

597
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Speaker 2: the basement, didn't go anywhere else. So then we called

598
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Speaker 2: in a ground penetrating radar. The guy said, yep, there's

599
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Speaker 2: an anomaly under here. So then we called the State

600
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Speaker 2: Police of Massa Matthewsett State Police. They immediately said it

601
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Speaker 2: was a crime scene. We all had our IDs taken.

602
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Speaker 2: They were interviewing all of us because lo and behold,

603
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Speaker 2: They're like, what are you Why is this cadaverdog hitting

604
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Speaker 2: on human remains? They bring in the state cadaverdog who

605
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:20,640
Speaker 2: hits on the same spot, and then they bring in

606
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Speaker 2: a forensic team to start digging. Now, the remains that

607
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 2: they found were very, very old. They were they were

608
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Speaker 2: not of any interest to them because it was so old,

609
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Speaker 2: and they started getting water as they dug deeper. But

610
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Speaker 2: they took it so seriously because it was real and

611
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Speaker 2: it was true, and we.

612
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Speaker 6: Had no idea.

613
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Speaker 1: They said, the remain that they said that there is

614
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Speaker 1: something down here, but we've gone so far that it's

615
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Speaker 1: just not feasible.

616
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Speaker 2: You know, it's not here, and say they said, if

617
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Speaker 2: the owner wants to continue to dig, they should call

618
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Speaker 2: in the local archaeology team from the college and they

619
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Speaker 2: can do further work. But it was real and we

620
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Speaker 2: were told that.

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Speaker 1: Adam. Let me ask you, queues you wanted to have

622
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Speaker 1: your own experiences, what would you say is the most

623
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Speaker 1: compelling experience you've ever had that convinces you that there

624
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Speaker 1: is a supernatural, that there is life after death.

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Speaker 2: That's a very hard question.

626
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Speaker 1: Oh. I feel the same way when people say, what's

627
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Speaker 1: your favorite case, like one of martyr or rape or

628
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 1: child will as station is somehow a favorite? You know, no,

629
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Speaker 1: but just give me an example.

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, here's the thing. I think. It's a

631
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Speaker 2: culmination of things. It's not just one thing, because one

632
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 2: thing doesn't make the truth. One thing isn't convincing, but

633
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Speaker 2: a number of things are convincing. Like I've I have

634
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Speaker 2: seen apparitions, I have talked there was a lady that

635
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Speaker 2: I talked to, physically talk to as if she were

636
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Speaker 2: a real person, and standing in front of me. And

637
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:54,920
Speaker 2: I was with a group of people around, and I'm

638
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Speaker 2: talking to this woman and I turned my back and

639
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Speaker 2: then she's gone and she disappeared. Nobody else sat her.

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Speaker 6: Can I ask you what she was saying?

641
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Speaker 2: Yeah, we were at the Mount Washington Hotel in New Hampshire,

642
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Speaker 2: and she wanted to know what I was doing and

643
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Speaker 2: why I was up in this space with this group

644
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Speaker 2: of people. And she was wearing red sweatpants, a gray

645
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Speaker 2: sweatshirt and holding a dirty coke bottle. And I thought

646
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Speaker 2: she was personally I thought she was a party crasher.

647
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Speaker 2: I thought she was really weird looking and something seemed

648
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Speaker 2: very off about her and I couldn't explain it. But

649
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Speaker 2: I was trying to be very nice and the second

650
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Speaker 2: I like a human. Yeah, she looked just like you

651
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Speaker 2: and me. And what's funny is people say, well, how's

652
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Speaker 2: that possible? And I said, how many people live in

653
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Speaker 2: New York City and are on the subway and see

654
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Speaker 2: that weird guy at the end, dressed in like seventies clothes,

655
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Speaker 2: acting a fool and they think he's just someone who's

656
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Speaker 2: like deranged or has a mental problem. I was like,

657
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Speaker 2: how do you know that that person isn't a ghost?

658
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Speaker 2: Did anybody talk to him? Didn't they go over to

659
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Speaker 2: him and touch him?

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Speaker 1: Okay, Adam, Adam, Now look, you do know that what

661
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Speaker 1: you said might sound crazy to some people. Yeah, but

662
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Speaker 1: I don't I know enough AUVI to know you are

663
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Speaker 1: not crazy. You believe this has happened, right, you have

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Speaker 1: just published this incredible book. My question to you is,

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Speaker 1: what is generally speaking, what is the most common message

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Speaker 1: that these entities are trying to send? What do they want?

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Speaker 2: Most often those that have passed on they're still here,

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Speaker 2: want help or recognition or communication. They want the same

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Speaker 2: human interaction that they had in their living life. But

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Speaker 2: they don't get it because they're hard to see and

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Speaker 2: they're hard to hear.

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Speaker 1: And why are they still here and not in either

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Speaker 1: hell or heaven?

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Speaker 2: Right, So, there's many different reasons. Some stay behind to

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Speaker 2: look after their legacy, Some stay behind to look after

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Speaker 2: their family. Some stay behind because they don't know they're dead.

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Speaker 2: Some stay behind, you know, because they refuse to go,

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Speaker 2: whether they whether they you know, maybe they maybe they

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Speaker 2: were a terrible person in his life and they think

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Speaker 2: that hell awaits them and for some reason, they're not going.

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Speaker 2: Now that it doesn't mean, you know, it doesn't mean

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Speaker 2: that that's the case. But what we find is that

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Speaker 2: these spirits need something, or want something, or have unfinished business.

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Speaker 6: Adam Barry Why the book? Why the book?

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Speaker 2: I wanted to write a book. There wasn't just a

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Speaker 2: ghost book. I wanted to write something that could help

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Speaker 2: everyone better understand our own grief and mortality through the

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Speaker 2: only lens that I know it, and that's the paranormal.

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Speaker 2: You don't have to believe in ghosts. You don't have

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Speaker 2: to believe me, But this book maybe can give somebody

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Speaker 2: a different option if they're stuck in their sadness, or

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Speaker 2: if they want a different thought or feeling about the afterlife.

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Speaker 2: It may give them something else to ponder.

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Speaker 1: You mean you I can comfort grieving people by convincing

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Speaker 1: them through these experiences, your experiences, that there is an afterlife, right.

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Speaker 2: And it's not even about convincing, it's just saying, hey, look,

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Speaker 2: these stories are real to me. I've been doing this

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Speaker 2: for a very long time and they mean a lot

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Speaker 2: to me. Here's my story, take take, take with it

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Speaker 2: what you will, and if it helps you, great, and

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Speaker 2: I think the consensus so far is it does help.

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Speaker 2: And I've been messaged by people who have gotten the

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Speaker 2: books who don't believe in ghost and they're like, you

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Speaker 2: know that religion chapter.

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Speaker 5: I feel you.

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Speaker 2: I grew up Southern Baptists, and and I understand what

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Speaker 2: you're saying about, you know, uh, the spiritual body of

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Speaker 2: of of our religion, and I get it, and I

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Speaker 2: think I think it's a universal concept.

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Speaker 1: Well, I've got to tell you something, Adam Barry. If

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Speaker 1: this were coming from anybody else, I would chick it

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Speaker 1: right out the door. But I know that there are

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Speaker 1: so many things that we as humans can never understand.

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Speaker 1: We just don't have the capacity to do that. This

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Speaker 1: new book, goodbye, Hello, Processing Grief and Understanding Death through

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Speaker 1: the Paranormal. Adam, I would absolutely consider putting you in

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Speaker 1: front of my jury.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Thank you.

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Speaker 1: You know what break a leg with this book, and

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Speaker 1: I hope and do believe that it can help many

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Speaker 1: many people that are grieving. And I want to thank

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Speaker 1: you for being with us, Adam Berry, and I expect

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Speaker 1: that I'll watch it just climb straight up the charts.

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Speaker 6: Thank you, Adam Berry.

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Speaker 1: Goodbye, hello,