WEBVTT - Glasgowman's Wrath w/ Chloe Csengery 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:04.000 Of the Law and Order franchises, SVU is considered especially watchable. 0:00:04.200 --> 0:00:06.800 We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the 0:00:06.840 --> 0:00:07.640 vicious felonies. 0:00:07.680 --> 0:00:11.240 These episodes are based on. These are our stories, done done. 0:00:27.880 --> 0:00:32.479 Hello, Welcome to That's Messed Up an SVU podcast. 0:00:32.720 --> 0:00:35.000 This is my co host Kara Klank. 0:00:35.200 --> 0:00:38.120 And this is my co host Lisa Trigger. We're still 0:00:38.159 --> 0:00:40.199 doing this Freaky Friday intros. 0:00:40.800 --> 0:00:45.000 Yeah, one of my favorite movie tropes. In this podcast, 0:00:45.000 --> 0:00:47.000 we talk about an episode of Law and Order s 0:00:47.080 --> 0:00:49.280 view the True Crivates based on and then we have 0:00:49.360 --> 0:00:52.720 a special guest from the episode because we're cool and important. 0:00:53.080 --> 0:00:57.639 So that's that so cool and important that we are 0:00:58.040 --> 0:01:00.240 recording today from different hosts. 0:01:00.440 --> 0:01:03.640 Is in New York again a jet setter. I'm in 0:01:03.680 --> 0:01:04.040 New York. 0:01:04.080 --> 0:01:07.280 I'm in my friend's closet slash Peloton room, and there 0:01:07.319 --> 0:01:09.319 is a Route Paul ride and I will be riding 0:01:09.440 --> 0:01:09.839 this week. 0:01:09.880 --> 0:01:11.199 And I cannot wait. 0:01:11.640 --> 0:01:15.680 That guy Cody does it right, doesn't he love RuPaul? 0:01:15.880 --> 0:01:16.119 Yeah? 0:01:16.160 --> 0:01:20.080 I just cannot wait to bounce around to Rutpaul songs. 0:01:20.680 --> 0:01:21.640 I actually can't wait. 0:01:21.840 --> 0:01:23.440 I don't know if I'm going to survive this New 0:01:23.480 --> 0:01:28.479 York trip. I've already just taken shots of something called 0:01:28.600 --> 0:01:33.160 rum fire, and on the bottle it says overproofed. 0:01:33.520 --> 0:01:36.520 So I don't know what that happens. I don't either, 0:01:36.560 --> 0:01:39.120 but it burned. She also sent me an email last night. 0:01:39.160 --> 0:01:40.920 You sent me an email last night, though it was 0:01:41.040 --> 0:01:43.160 like long, with all these notes, and then at the bottom 0:01:43.160 --> 0:01:45.040 it was like, I am realizing that I'm kind of 0:01:45.120 --> 0:01:45.920 drunk right now. 0:01:46.000 --> 0:01:49.080 So I forgot I sent that email till you just 0:01:49.120 --> 0:01:49.480 said it. 0:01:50.520 --> 0:01:51.520 I remember. 0:01:52.040 --> 0:01:55.560 No, I've been opening my phone and seeing photos. I mean, 0:01:55.600 --> 0:01:57.560 I feel like I'm in college again. Honestly, it's like 0:01:57.840 --> 0:02:01.680 I'm vaxed. I'm on the subway. I'm giving Yeah, I'm 0:02:01.680 --> 0:02:02.360 giving people. 0:02:02.120 --> 0:02:04.160 In the streets money. I don't care. No, it's exciting. 0:02:04.200 --> 0:02:06.160 I'm going in August and I can't wait to get 0:02:06.160 --> 0:02:07.800 back to New York. No, I want to move back. 0:02:07.880 --> 0:02:11.320 It's not good. You're just saving back, not right away, 0:02:11.400 --> 0:02:13.760 but just let's be rich. I know. 0:02:13.840 --> 0:02:15.760 It's just that's the thing with That's the thing though. 0:02:15.760 --> 0:02:17.840 You go back to New York and it's like Stockholm syndrome. 0:02:17.919 --> 0:02:20.120 You forget about all the bad stuff. You go back 0:02:20.160 --> 0:02:22.520 and you have these honeymoon periods where you're like, oh, 0:02:22.639 --> 0:02:25.760 especially right now it's like springtime in New York, like 0:02:25.960 --> 0:02:28.880 oh my god, it's magic, Like of course. 0:02:28.639 --> 0:02:31.359 You are magic, and I was here. 0:02:31.400 --> 0:02:34.880 I'd like to say, I'm filming my friend Sam Jay's new. 0:02:34.880 --> 0:02:37.840 HBO Max show. Oh yeah, that comes. 0:02:37.960 --> 0:02:40.480 That came out on the twenty first, so that was 0:02:40.520 --> 0:02:42.680 the premiere episode. I don't know what episode I'm in, 0:02:42.720 --> 0:02:45.600 but check it out because there I'm doing something perverted. 0:02:45.760 --> 0:02:50.120 So oh wow, stay tuned, so excited to watch it. Yeah, 0:02:50.200 --> 0:02:53.760 I'm doing some really wild things on this show, and 0:02:53.760 --> 0:02:55.359 I think it's going to be an amazing show. 0:02:55.440 --> 0:02:57.040 So check out Sam Jay. 0:02:57.200 --> 0:03:01.320 It's called pause with Sam Jay, right yeah, yeah. 0:03:00.880 --> 0:03:05.960 Pa usc not pause like pause up for No one 0:03:06.000 --> 0:03:09.320 thought pause for Lady Gaga. Nobody thought that. 0:03:10.160 --> 0:03:12.640 But she's amazing and it was an incredible set and 0:03:12.720 --> 0:03:13.240 I got. 0:03:13.040 --> 0:03:14.960 To see a lot of friends and it was nice 0:03:14.960 --> 0:03:15.600 to work again. 0:03:16.200 --> 0:03:19.280 You know, another show I want to mention I'm not 0:03:19.440 --> 0:03:22.400 in at all, but I think you guys might be interested. 0:03:22.440 --> 0:03:24.720 I watched all of Shrill, and the guy who plays 0:03:24.800 --> 0:03:27.560 ed Kemper and Mindhunter is like a love interest of 0:03:27.560 --> 0:03:30.200 eighty on Shrill, So that was like exciting and his 0:03:30.280 --> 0:03:31.880 voice is the same, and I'm like, wait, aren't you 0:03:31.919 --> 0:03:33.280 a murderer scared person? 0:03:33.360 --> 0:03:36.000 And he's like kind of nice guy, a good guy 0:03:36.040 --> 0:03:40.240 that lives in Portland. Yeah, that's fun. Oh yeah, I'm 0:03:40.280 --> 0:03:41.520 like dying. I gotta get to SHRILL. 0:03:41.600 --> 0:03:45.240 Well, once I start my nighttime routines with a new baby, 0:03:45.280 --> 0:03:46.240 I'll be watching SHRILL. 0:03:46.680 --> 0:03:47.960 Wait, I need to tell you about this. 0:03:48.040 --> 0:03:49.920 So I think you just heard about this, but we've 0:03:49.960 --> 0:03:52.400 been getting like a thousand DMS. 0:03:52.480 --> 0:03:53.360 Everyone is telling us. 0:03:53.400 --> 0:03:57.240 We tweeted this, of course, but everyone is talking about 0:03:57.240 --> 0:03:59.280 this little girl in Florida. 0:03:58.680 --> 0:04:00.280 Who defended her elf. 0:04:00.760 --> 0:04:03.880 She not only escaped to kidnapping attempt, but she was 0:04:03.920 --> 0:04:09.200 able to basically brand her attacker with blue slime so 0:04:09.240 --> 0:04:11.880 that when the police caught him, they I could positively 0:04:11.920 --> 0:04:14.640 identify that this was the guy who did it because 0:04:14.640 --> 0:04:17.560 she watches SVU. She's eleven years old and she's been 0:04:17.600 --> 0:04:20.560 watching SVU for a long time. So all you moms 0:04:20.600 --> 0:04:22.960 that follow us and her or daughters that follow us 0:04:22.960 --> 0:04:26.000 and have said I started watching SVU way too young. 0:04:26.240 --> 0:04:27.479 I don't think it was young enough. 0:04:27.880 --> 0:04:32.760 Like we are seeing SVU in these streets saving lives 0:04:32.760 --> 0:04:33.560 and I'm loving it. 0:04:34.080 --> 0:04:36.680 Yeah, and Marishka, I guess reached out to her and 0:04:37.440 --> 0:04:40.680 she's going to get an SVU award because she did it. 0:04:40.880 --> 0:04:42.560 I mean, let her have a little walk on part. 0:04:42.640 --> 0:04:43.520 Let her find a body. 0:04:43.640 --> 0:04:48.479 Come on, where is the body? Also, you probably haven't 0:04:48.520 --> 0:04:51.159 seen this yet because you are a busy bee. But 0:04:51.520 --> 0:04:55.360 I was on Instagram, Sarah Jessica Parker did just post 0:04:55.760 --> 0:04:57.800 there is going to be a hocus Pocus too coming 0:04:57.880 --> 0:04:59.200 out twenty twenty two. 0:05:00.000 --> 0:05:01.520 Aready knew about that? You did? 0:05:01.920 --> 0:05:03.960 Yeah, but I wasn't allow to tell anyone because I 0:05:04.520 --> 0:05:08.120 know I my friend was approached to write it and didn't. 0:05:08.240 --> 0:05:12.560 But wow, you kept it a secret, you dumb it. 0:05:12.880 --> 0:05:14.159 I you know what you know? 0:05:14.160 --> 0:05:16.120 At least it wasn't even me keeping a secret. It's 0:05:16.120 --> 0:05:18.239 like I knew and I just forgot. I just forgot 0:05:18.240 --> 0:05:19.719 to tell you. I should have told you, and I 0:05:19.800 --> 0:05:21.880 just I filed it away because she was like, please 0:05:21.880 --> 0:05:24.200 don't say anything, and then I was like, oh, maybe 0:05:24.240 --> 0:05:26.520 it won't happen, you know, and then here we go, 0:05:26.640 --> 0:05:27.200 it's happening. 0:05:27.880 --> 0:05:28.920 Wow, all right? 0:05:29.000 --> 0:05:33.160 Well twenty twenty two, Oh my gosh, Liza, the countdown 0:05:33.279 --> 0:05:36.560 is on the countdown is on Baby. 0:05:36.520 --> 0:05:38.480 That's amazing. I'm glad they got all three of them 0:05:38.480 --> 0:05:39.919 back on board. It's like, what the Sex and the 0:05:39.960 --> 0:05:41.960 City reboot? You know my thoughts. 0:05:41.960 --> 0:05:44.560 I'm having a really hard time getting on board without Samantha. 0:05:44.640 --> 0:05:46.920 Oh but they just hired someone for a Sex and 0:05:47.000 --> 0:05:50.640 the City from Grey's Anatomy, Sarah Romirez or something like. 0:05:50.600 --> 0:05:51.800 That, Sara Ramirez. 0:05:52.120 --> 0:05:55.000 Yeah, she got care to be the Samantha. I don't 0:05:55.000 --> 0:05:56.840 know if she's the Samantha. She's probably going to be 0:05:56.880 --> 0:05:59.039 a gay character, but she will be a new friend. 0:05:59.080 --> 0:06:00.600 I don't think she's gonna put on a blonde wig 0:06:00.680 --> 0:06:02.680 and pretend she's also an svulum. 0:06:02.760 --> 0:06:03.200 Oh my god. 0:06:03.240 --> 0:06:06.520 Can you imagine if they just like cast someone as Samantha. 0:06:06.600 --> 0:06:10.039 I meant, like as the Samantha, as like the you know, 0:06:10.200 --> 0:06:14.280 more sexually free friend, not somebody going hi, it's me. 0:06:15.640 --> 0:06:18.160 Well. They also did a study and like Charlotte was 0:06:18.240 --> 0:06:21.799 the most prude, but she still fucked over seventy guys. 0:06:21.400 --> 0:06:23.719 On the run of that show. Are you serious? 0:06:23.920 --> 0:06:26.320 Yeah, Like they did the numbers like they're all sluts, 0:06:26.360 --> 0:06:27.039 you know what I mean? 0:06:27.400 --> 0:06:29.440 Like I have the merch that says, are we sluts? 0:06:29.560 --> 0:06:32.760 Oh? And we found out our Carly who are the 0:06:33.040 --> 0:06:35.479 did we already tell them this? I played tennis with 0:06:35.600 --> 0:06:37.560 Carly gen Andrews, who did our logo. 0:06:38.120 --> 0:06:39.560 We went on a friend date and I got to 0:06:39.600 --> 0:06:42.400 meet her in person. We didn't tell them this. I 0:06:42.400 --> 0:06:44.359 don't know. Maybe it's not interesting. I don't know. But 0:06:44.480 --> 0:06:50.240 we played tennis. What's happening? 0:06:50.480 --> 0:06:54.800 No, it is weird to socialize freshly with people, and like, 0:06:55.400 --> 0:06:57.599 I don't know, it is pretty wild to start over 0:06:57.640 --> 0:07:00.520 again and be in public and be at people houses 0:07:00.560 --> 0:07:02.359 and I could tell people are like, Okay, our hang. 0:07:02.279 --> 0:07:03.880 Is done, but I'm like I'm not leaving it. 0:07:04.360 --> 0:07:07.680 Yeah, I'm not ready to stop talking, so I'm pouring 0:07:07.720 --> 0:07:08.440 another one. 0:07:08.920 --> 0:07:13.560 Yeah, it's fun. I went to like an indoor dinner 0:07:13.680 --> 0:07:16.480 last night, me and my husband that there are another 0:07:16.520 --> 0:07:19.040 couple and then his parents who were in town and 0:07:19.080 --> 0:07:20.840 who liked to do it up when they come to town. 0:07:20.920 --> 0:07:22.720 We went to a really nice place and had like 0:07:22.760 --> 0:07:25.120 a really long dinner. Like I had to keep texting 0:07:25.120 --> 0:07:27.680 my babysitter being like just a little bit later, I 0:07:27.680 --> 0:07:29.680 didn't realize we were getting dessert and coffee. 0:07:30.000 --> 0:07:33.560 No, yeah, I heard that our friend's parents love a 0:07:33.600 --> 0:07:37.120 good time. Love a nice dinner, love a throwdown credit 0:07:37.160 --> 0:07:41.040 call like they like, yeah party, there are martini steaks. Yeah. 0:07:41.040 --> 0:07:43.520 And there were a lot of drinks, a lot of drinks, 0:07:43.680 --> 0:07:48.080 and you know what, I didn't appreciate. The somelier at 0:07:48.080 --> 0:07:50.960 the place who does the wine was like bringing out 0:07:50.960 --> 0:07:52.600 glasses and there were six of us and he brought 0:07:52.600 --> 0:07:54.560 out five glasses. And it's like, yes, I know, I 0:07:54.560 --> 0:07:56.440 am nine and a half months pregnant, but I will 0:07:56.440 --> 0:07:57.920 decide if I'm having a glass of. 0:07:57.840 --> 0:07:58.360 Wine or not. 0:07:58.960 --> 0:08:01.600 You do not need to only bring five classes. So 0:08:01.640 --> 0:08:03.040 I made him bring me a glass. 0:08:03.400 --> 0:08:05.360 Was he kissed or no? No, he was like oh 0:08:05.400 --> 0:08:07.120 oh so like yeah, he just like brought me one. 0:08:07.920 --> 0:08:11.160 This actually reminds me of something else, but that I 0:08:11.160 --> 0:08:15.920 would like to talk about the fucking horrific abortion bill 0:08:16.160 --> 0:08:18.520 that was just signed by the governor in Texas. And 0:08:18.560 --> 0:08:22.520 then my friend Julia, who is here, was tweeted like, 0:08:22.520 --> 0:08:26.040 I wonder if all these freedom fighting Austin centered comics 0:08:26.080 --> 0:08:29.200 we're all about freedoms and no laws and no censorship, 0:08:29.320 --> 0:08:32.080 are gonna say anything about this fucking abortion bill or 0:08:32.080 --> 0:08:34.640 do anything while they're in that state. Like all of 0:08:34.679 --> 0:08:36.840 them just wave up like keep going on and on 0:08:36.880 --> 0:08:41.480 about cancel culture, and then actual horrific laws that inhibit 0:08:41.520 --> 0:08:44.720 people's lives and safety are happening, and I don't think 0:08:44.760 --> 0:08:45.840 they're gonna say a fucking. 0:08:45.640 --> 0:08:48.680 Word, right, And to clarify, this is a law that 0:08:48.760 --> 0:08:50.920 makes it so that like you can't have you cannot 0:08:50.920 --> 0:08:53.800 have an abortion after six weeks I believe. Is that correct? Yes, 0:08:54.160 --> 0:08:56.600 And you can't even get in at a doctor until 0:08:56.600 --> 0:08:57.480 you're seven or eight. 0:08:57.360 --> 0:08:59.240 Weeks to confine. 0:08:59.280 --> 0:09:04.000 And anyone can sue you, like if someone like you can. 0:09:04.520 --> 0:09:07.520 You can sue the person who drives you to the clinic, 0:09:07.600 --> 0:09:11.319 you can sue the receptionist, like anyone can sue anybody 0:09:11.760 --> 0:09:13.720 if they find out you were at all a part 0:09:13.720 --> 0:09:18.600 of an abortion. Wow, it's like truly the most heinous act. 0:09:19.640 --> 0:09:23.400 And before the election of twenty sixteen, I remember a 0:09:23.480 --> 0:09:25.960 lot of me and my friends were like super concerned 0:09:26.000 --> 0:09:28.800 and scared about Roe v Way and all of this happening, 0:09:28.800 --> 0:09:31.640 and everyone was like, you're hysterical, shut up, relax, give 0:09:31.640 --> 0:09:33.440 them a shot, Like nothing will happen. You guys are 0:09:33.480 --> 0:09:36.240 going wild, And it's like, oh, look all of the 0:09:36.240 --> 0:09:37.760 things that we were scared of happening. 0:09:37.800 --> 0:09:41.520 Five six years ago are now could happen? Yeah, and 0:09:41.559 --> 0:09:43.800 Mississippi is the same. I mean, it's going to be states. 0:09:44.040 --> 0:09:45.640 I mean, it's just going to be people crossing state 0:09:45.679 --> 0:09:47.000 lines to try to get abortions. 0:09:47.040 --> 0:09:48.760 Now, it's fucking crazy. 0:09:49.200 --> 0:09:51.320 And what happened to all the anti mask people with 0:09:51.360 --> 0:09:52.280 my body my choice? 0:09:52.280 --> 0:09:53.080 How is that different? 0:09:54.080 --> 0:09:56.840 They're just all really big hypocrites and it's really upsetting 0:09:56.840 --> 0:09:59.079 and I'm just scared for everyone. 0:09:59.400 --> 0:10:02.360 And I don't even know do I hope for the best. 0:10:02.360 --> 0:10:05.480 It's like, we have all these justices and judges everywhere 0:10:05.520 --> 0:10:08.080 that are out of their fucking minds and people are 0:10:08.120 --> 0:10:10.400 gonna die from this in horrific ways. 0:10:10.800 --> 0:10:13.200 Yeah, no, it's it's fucking tragic. 0:10:13.360 --> 0:10:15.840 But you know, hopefully Joe Rogan won't get canceled like 0:10:16.040 --> 0:10:17.440 fucking it's so annoying. 0:10:17.600 --> 0:10:20.040 Yeah, hopefully white men will still be able to speak 0:10:20.040 --> 0:10:20.440 their truth. 0:10:20.559 --> 0:10:21.600 The balls of that man. 0:10:21.840 --> 0:10:25.000 You just made a hundred million dollars on your own 0:10:25.080 --> 0:10:27.920 show and you move to a place to not pay 0:10:27.960 --> 0:10:30.679 fucking taxes and then you're talking about like are they 0:10:30.679 --> 0:10:33.640 gonna come for me? It's like you get paid millions 0:10:33.679 --> 0:10:37.320 to talk. How are you so diluted? It is so frustrating. 0:10:37.400 --> 0:10:40.120 Well, he's speaking up for his brogans, right, He's speaking 0:10:40.200 --> 0:10:42.160 up for his followers. 0:10:42.200 --> 0:10:44.360 You know, man, they need their voices heard, Lisa. 0:10:44.440 --> 0:10:47.640 We need to hear their hot takes on fucking bitcoin 0:10:48.160 --> 0:10:48.760 and abortion. 0:10:49.360 --> 0:10:51.840 Oh you know what's terrible. I have a diamond tattoo 0:10:51.880 --> 0:10:53.880 and it has BTC. It's like an inside thing with 0:10:53.920 --> 0:10:56.160 my friend and I. People think it's a bitcoin tattoo. 0:10:56.280 --> 0:10:59.080 People have been coming up to me going bitcoin, and 0:10:59.080 --> 0:11:00.760 I'm like, what the fuck, And so I have to 0:11:00.760 --> 0:11:01.559 get it covered up. 0:11:02.320 --> 0:11:05.120 No you don't. Oh my god, people think I have 0:11:05.160 --> 0:11:06.120 a bitcoin tattoo. 0:11:06.200 --> 0:11:06.400 Kara. 0:11:07.080 --> 0:11:09.120 That's so fucking funny, Lisa. 0:11:09.720 --> 0:11:12.280 Also, we do have to mention that was a funny 0:11:12.360 --> 0:11:14.760 video you sent me of Rosie. You were trying to 0:11:14.920 --> 0:11:19.280 have Rosie bond with your future baby Yes' Instagram. 0:11:19.360 --> 0:11:21.360 I put it on our Instagram and I will save 0:11:21.400 --> 0:11:23.480 it in the mention it all highlight if people want 0:11:23.520 --> 0:11:25.720 to see it. But I was basically like pointing to 0:11:25.760 --> 0:11:28.640 my tummy and going like, hey, Rosie, who's coming next week? 0:11:28.640 --> 0:11:29.600 Who's coming next week? 0:11:29.679 --> 0:11:31.760 Like and like making her look at the baby, and 0:11:31.800 --> 0:11:33.560 she just like looks me in the eyes and like 0:11:33.679 --> 0:11:36.000 grins and goes Lisa like. 0:11:36.040 --> 0:11:38.400 She's got you on the mind all the time. I 0:11:38.520 --> 0:11:40.120 liked when you went, oh my god. 0:11:44.480 --> 0:11:47.600 All right, well, speaking of babies, this is a sort 0:11:47.600 --> 0:11:50.880 of kid centric episode of SBU. Let's get right into 0:11:50.920 --> 0:11:59.520 it and get going for today. All right, let's get 0:11:59.640 --> 0:12:04.400 going into the woods, guys. Today we're doing Glasgow Man's Wrath, 0:12:04.520 --> 0:12:09.280 which is season sixteen, episode six. So we open up 0:12:09.360 --> 0:12:12.720 on like home video footage of a little girl sleeping 0:12:13.520 --> 0:12:16.520 and then like her mattress gets tipped up, she falls 0:12:16.559 --> 0:12:18.440 out of bed. It's like her older sister Mia and 0:12:18.480 --> 0:12:21.120 her friend that are kind of like pranking her, and 0:12:21.160 --> 0:12:23.880 then MIA's friend Perry is videotaping them. 0:12:23.920 --> 0:12:24.959 The older girls seem like. 0:12:24.880 --> 0:12:28.160 They're around twelve and the younger girl is maybe nine 0:12:28.240 --> 0:12:30.920 or ten. The whole movie then kind of switches to 0:12:31.000 --> 0:12:34.360 them like being witchy, right, like you're having some kind 0:12:34.360 --> 0:12:36.640 of like witchy time, and they're like it's November first, 0:12:36.679 --> 0:12:39.760 the day after Halloween, and they're about to do a ceremony. 0:12:40.320 --> 0:12:43.319 Now they're outside on the street like with their little backpacks. 0:12:43.520 --> 0:12:48.000 They're at the entrance of inwood Hill Park inwood If 0:12:48.000 --> 0:12:50.520 you're wondering, is the neighborhood at the very tippy top 0:12:50.520 --> 0:12:53.040 of Manhattan, like right before you cross over into the Bronx, 0:12:53.080 --> 0:12:54.040 and I've actually been there. 0:12:54.360 --> 0:12:55.600 It's super super cute. 0:12:55.840 --> 0:12:58.080 They film a lot of stuff up there to try 0:12:58.080 --> 0:13:00.959 to make it look like suburbs, because like it's very 0:13:01.000 --> 0:13:03.319 there's very cute little streets with houses and stuff. Like 0:13:03.360 --> 0:13:05.880 I went to a shoot once there that was on 0:13:05.880 --> 0:13:08.000 this like adorable little street where all the houses look 0:13:08.040 --> 0:13:13.120 the same. So anyway, they're making their spooky vlog and 0:13:13.160 --> 0:13:14.679 about how they're talking about how they're going to go 0:13:14.720 --> 0:13:18.360 into the park to find Glasgow Man and by dawn 0:13:18.480 --> 0:13:18.920 and their. 0:13:18.840 --> 0:13:19.679 Journey will begin. 0:13:20.120 --> 0:13:22.640 The girl videotaping Perry is trying to like freak out 0:13:22.679 --> 0:13:24.640 the little one whose name is Zoe, and he's like, oh, 0:13:24.679 --> 0:13:27.480 he likes the little ones about Glasgow Man. And then 0:13:27.480 --> 0:13:31.040 they like hear a sound, they start running, and we're 0:13:31.080 --> 0:13:34.040 just it's just very blair witchy found footage, like we're 0:13:34.080 --> 0:13:36.040 just seeing them kind of run and it's like it 0:13:36.120 --> 0:13:40.440 is pretty creepy. And then suddenly like you see Zoey 0:13:40.440 --> 0:13:42.440 go down and it's like he's got Zoe and the 0:13:42.440 --> 0:13:45.040 camera's on the ground like just obstructed by leaves. 0:13:45.280 --> 0:13:48.840 I'm like, does did Found Footage exist before Blair Witch? 0:13:49.040 --> 0:13:51.080 Like blair Witch is Found Footage? 0:13:51.360 --> 0:13:54.080 Yeah, I know, and then and then paranormal like all 0:13:54.080 --> 0:13:55.880 the paranormal activities. 0:13:55.760 --> 0:13:56.520 But that's post. 0:13:56.600 --> 0:13:59.719 I feel like Blair Yeah changed the game for cheap filmmaking. 0:14:00.160 --> 0:14:02.800 So true. And that came out in ninety nine, right. 0:14:02.880 --> 0:14:05.040 I remember me and my brother in law went to 0:14:05.080 --> 0:14:05.720 go see it. 0:14:06.160 --> 0:14:07.960 I went to go see it Lisa. I was working 0:14:08.000 --> 0:14:10.800 at summer camp. I knew so no TV, I've got 0:14:10.840 --> 0:14:14.000 no Internet, I've got nothing. And my brother had told 0:14:14.000 --> 0:14:16.000 me about the movie before I went to camp and 0:14:16.080 --> 0:14:18.160 was like, yeah, it's real, like they found this footage 0:14:18.200 --> 0:14:20.800 of these kids like that that were never found again. 0:14:20.880 --> 0:14:22.520 And so when I went to go see it, I 0:14:22.600 --> 0:14:24.760 like fully thought it was real, Like it was the 0:14:24.800 --> 0:14:28.520 most terrifying movie going experience of my life. 0:14:28.880 --> 0:14:32.800 So I remember not being scared enough to be honest. 0:14:33.080 --> 0:14:35.640 Wait, but you're younger than me. I was like nineteen 0:14:35.720 --> 0:14:38.520 when I saw that. Weren't you like twelve? You weren't 0:14:38.560 --> 0:14:39.200 scared at all? 0:14:39.560 --> 0:14:42.600 No, because I was ready to be so scared, and 0:14:42.800 --> 0:14:44.200 I was kind of disappointed. 0:14:45.040 --> 0:14:47.720 I remember being like my brother in law was so scared. 0:14:47.880 --> 0:14:48.480 I remember my. 0:14:48.440 --> 0:14:50.120 Brother in law and I went to go see the 0:14:50.160 --> 0:14:54.120 Hillary Swank movie about like the plagues, like the Egyptian 0:14:54.160 --> 0:14:56.840 you know what I mean, Like like there was focus 0:14:57.040 --> 0:14:59.920 and stuff, and I remember him jumping and going insane, 0:15:00.040 --> 0:15:01.720 and I'm like, this is humiliating for you. 0:15:01.800 --> 0:15:01.920 Bro. 0:15:03.800 --> 0:15:05.960 I have been known to scream like a cartoon character 0:15:06.000 --> 0:15:09.120 in horror movies in the theater, but that one, I've 0:15:09.200 --> 0:15:10.840 just scared the shit me because I thought it was real. 0:15:11.400 --> 0:15:13.720 No, for sure, I've screamed at lesser things. I'm not 0:15:13.760 --> 0:15:16.640 a tough guy. Like I screamed at the Gift on 0:15:16.680 --> 0:15:21.440 a plane. Oh, my Gift is freaky. I remember screaming 0:15:21.480 --> 0:15:23.160 at the ring we saw us together. 0:15:23.200 --> 0:15:27.400 I screamed, yes, you were a bundle of nerves during US. 0:15:27.600 --> 0:15:29.160 I feel like I was scared. 0:15:29.200 --> 0:15:31.800 I screamed during Yeah, I will scream, but maybe I 0:15:31.800 --> 0:15:33.160 didn't scream as much as a youth. 0:15:33.240 --> 0:15:33.600 I don't know. 0:15:33.680 --> 0:15:36.120 Blair Witch was a disappointment, but I'm impressed with their 0:15:37.360 --> 0:15:39.400 I don't know, like ingenuity. 0:15:39.720 --> 0:15:41.640 Yeah, yes, like they were on the frontier of the 0:15:41.640 --> 0:15:46.080 found footage stuff. So now at the top of act one, 0:15:46.160 --> 0:15:49.280 it's regular TV again. We're not looking at the footage anymore. 0:15:49.440 --> 0:15:52.360 It's sunrise. Rollin's and Crisey are on the scene. 0:15:52.480 --> 0:15:55.080 A birdwatcher has found Zoe who's being loaded into an 0:15:55.120 --> 0:15:57.920 ambulance and she's been stabbed a bunch of times. 0:15:58.040 --> 0:15:59.800 Koresy is going to talk to the. 0:15:59.720 --> 0:16:02.880 Bird watcher, but first he's like any homeless around here, 0:16:02.920 --> 0:16:05.120 and the uniform police officers like what do you think? 0:16:05.360 --> 0:16:07.080 And he's like, go round them up, and I'm kind 0:16:07.120 --> 0:16:09.200 of like, not a great look that you like immediately 0:16:09.200 --> 0:16:12.440 are like it's the unhoused, you know, like give it 0:16:12.480 --> 0:16:15.640 a second, Like I don't necessarily think unhoused people are 0:16:15.680 --> 0:16:19.000 just wandering the parks to stab children. So now they're 0:16:19.040 --> 0:16:22.040 talking to the bird lady again. More birds on SVU. 0:16:22.120 --> 0:16:23.760 We will get to the bottom of this, like I 0:16:23.800 --> 0:16:26.640 will ask Neil Bhart or somebody, like what is always 0:16:26.640 --> 0:16:29.720 going on? There's bird watchers, bird owners, just a lot 0:16:29.720 --> 0:16:31.720 of bird stuff happening on the show all the time. 0:16:32.080 --> 0:16:36.160 Maybe because they're just always out and about looking paying attention. 0:16:36.360 --> 0:16:38.920 Those are the people that like have a camera, I guess. 0:16:39.840 --> 0:16:42.240 So we're talking to the bird lady and she said 0:16:42.240 --> 0:16:43.040 she saw a guy. 0:16:42.880 --> 0:16:43.640 Come out of the woods. 0:16:43.640 --> 0:16:46.360 He was huge and hulking and standing over the girl's body. 0:16:46.880 --> 0:16:48.960 She said she shoot him off, but she also took 0:16:49.040 --> 0:16:53.560 photos and she's like they're digital, very cute. So now 0:16:53.640 --> 0:16:56.520 we're at the hospital and they're looking at the pictures 0:16:56.560 --> 0:16:59.360 on the phone that are like kind of blurry, and 0:16:59.480 --> 0:17:01.480 Rollin's we get a little we get a little glimpse 0:17:01.480 --> 0:17:04.040 into the personal lives where Rollin's asks tomorrow, like, how 0:17:04.119 --> 0:17:06.040 is California because at this point we know that his 0:17:06.119 --> 0:17:10.520 wife Maria and his daughter Zara have moved to California, 0:17:11.640 --> 0:17:15.439 and he's like it was confusing. Zara's thriving, but like 0:17:15.480 --> 0:17:17.919 blah blah blah. I'm like, yeah, California's great. You know, 0:17:18.160 --> 0:17:20.560 of course she's thriving. She loves the sunshine. She probably 0:17:20.600 --> 0:17:23.200 loves it here. I'm sure she's into green juice now. 0:17:24.200 --> 0:17:26.800 So then the doctor comes out, the one who's been 0:17:27.040 --> 0:17:30.879 examining Zoe, and that is doctor Darby Wilder, played by. 0:17:31.359 --> 0:17:34.800 The most beautiful woman in the world. Yeah, she's so beautiful. 0:17:34.800 --> 0:17:37.199 We've talked about her before, but her real name is 0:17:37.240 --> 0:17:41.959 Evanna Copat right. I'm probably saying her name wrong. I apologize. 0:17:42.119 --> 0:17:44.199 She's been in ten episodes of Best View but this 0:17:44.280 --> 0:17:47.280 is her first one. So she first appeared in season sixteen, 0:17:47.320 --> 0:17:50.440 and I believe has been in season sixteen through twenty one, 0:17:50.520 --> 0:17:52.240 so we'll see if she pops up this season. In 0:17:52.280 --> 0:17:55.280 twenty two, she says, Zoe's lucky. 0:17:55.040 --> 0:17:55.639 To be alive. 0:17:55.800 --> 0:17:57.800 She had all this head trauma, plus one of her 0:17:57.800 --> 0:18:01.919 stab wounds was millimeters from her friend Artery, and she 0:18:02.040 --> 0:18:04.320 is out of surgery, but she lost a lot of blood. 0:18:04.640 --> 0:18:06.840 So now these two women rush up to Rollins and Tomorrow. 0:18:06.920 --> 0:18:09.560 These are Zoe's mothers, and they want to know if 0:18:09.600 --> 0:18:13.240 Mia is there too, because they to their mind, Mia 0:18:13.320 --> 0:18:15.600 and Zoe both went to a sleepover at Perry's house, 0:18:15.680 --> 0:18:18.320 and Perry is a single mom who is not answering 0:18:18.320 --> 0:18:21.840 any calls or texts, but there the mom's tracker app 0:18:21.920 --> 0:18:25.600 says that the girl's phones are inside Perry's house. So 0:18:26.119 --> 0:18:28.680 Rollin's and Tomorrow had previously been debating whether to call 0:18:28.720 --> 0:18:31.360 Olivia because she's home on like her one day off 0:18:31.400 --> 0:18:34.040 with Noah, and they decide ultimately they have to call 0:18:34.040 --> 0:18:36.280 her because now two young girls are missing. Now we 0:18:36.320 --> 0:18:38.119 go to Livia's apartment and we see that this is 0:18:38.160 --> 0:18:40.720 like her day with Noah. This is the baby Noah 0:18:40.760 --> 0:18:43.280 that I stand. Okay, I love this cute, little chubby 0:18:43.320 --> 0:18:45.920 toddler Noah. He's just a little puff ball with a 0:18:45.960 --> 0:18:46.480 lot of hair. 0:18:46.560 --> 0:18:48.480 I love him. I wish they could have just like 0:18:48.560 --> 0:18:49.720 kept rotating babies. 0:18:49.760 --> 0:18:52.119 And she had like a Benjamin button like Noah that 0:18:52.160 --> 0:18:54.360 never grows up, because you will know how I feel 0:18:54.359 --> 0:18:57.480 about older Noah. So then she while she's playing with Noah, 0:18:57.560 --> 0:19:00.560 she gets the call from Rollin's and Tomorrow and she's like, yeah, 0:19:00.600 --> 0:19:01.600 let me just call my sitter. 0:19:01.680 --> 0:19:02.320 I don't really. 0:19:02.280 --> 0:19:05.200 Understand why they have to bother her, like it doesn't 0:19:05.200 --> 0:19:06.200 really seem like. 0:19:06.520 --> 0:19:09.400 Well, it's an active chase. There's two missing girls. They 0:19:09.400 --> 0:19:10.520 need to find out the kid. 0:19:10.640 --> 0:19:12.480 True, I guess. I just it's a big deal. 0:19:13.720 --> 0:19:13.919 I know. 0:19:14.000 --> 0:19:15.479 I'm just like, you guys know how to handle this. 0:19:15.520 --> 0:19:17.639 How long have you guys been on the squad? Gotta 0:19:17.680 --> 0:19:21.040 tell your lieutenant. I do get a live in nan. 0:19:21.119 --> 0:19:23.200 I don't understand this nanny that's just going to show 0:19:23.240 --> 0:19:24.320 up on Sunday in the middle of. 0:19:24.280 --> 0:19:26.960 It day has a super nanny this because like later 0:19:27.080 --> 0:19:28.119 I think the nanny's name. 0:19:28.000 --> 0:19:30.680 Is Lucy, and she's just like it's four am. 0:19:30.720 --> 0:19:33.359 Lucy can you pop over like we've got a VIC Like, 0:19:33.440 --> 0:19:35.919 it's crazy how flexible Lucy is. 0:19:36.800 --> 0:19:38.200 I hope she's getting the coin. 0:19:38.680 --> 0:19:41.560 So when they get to Perry's apartment, Rollins and Tomorrow 0:19:41.560 --> 0:19:44.280 are coming up the stairs. They come upon Perry's mom, Barbara, 0:19:44.359 --> 0:19:47.200 who is seemingly being attacked right outside her apartment door. 0:19:47.760 --> 0:19:50.480 They pull weapons the guys like I'm on the job 0:19:50.560 --> 0:19:52.719 State police, and they were just doing like a sexy 0:19:52.800 --> 0:19:54.720 rape role play. I guess, I don't know. It was 0:19:54.760 --> 0:19:56.680 like very weird to me that that's like the moment 0:19:56.720 --> 0:19:58.439 that the cops get there is when they're just like 0:19:59.040 --> 0:19:59.919 playing break in. 0:20:00.240 --> 0:20:01.000 It seemed weird. 0:20:02.200 --> 0:20:04.520 So she doesn't really understand why the cops are looking 0:20:04.560 --> 0:20:06.680 for her kid, and it's like, have you not checked 0:20:06.680 --> 0:20:08.080 your phone in twenty four hours? 0:20:08.119 --> 0:20:10.360 Like they said, They've been texting her and she's not answering. 0:20:10.400 --> 0:20:11.800 So it's like you're on just like a date with 0:20:11.880 --> 0:20:14.120 your guy, overnight date, just not checking your phone even 0:20:14.119 --> 0:20:15.760 though you have a teenage kid. Sorry I'm being a 0:20:15.840 --> 0:20:17.639 judging mom right now, but that just seems weird. I'm 0:20:17.680 --> 0:20:18.879 looking at my phone constantly. 0:20:19.119 --> 0:20:21.480 Yeah, care, but it's not always for parenting that you're 0:20:21.520 --> 0:20:22.640 staring at your phone. 0:20:22.920 --> 0:20:25.920 No, but when I'm away from Rosie, I literally am. 0:20:25.840 --> 0:20:27.119 Like looking at my phone just because I know my 0:20:27.160 --> 0:20:30.880 husband's gonna text me going she's having a meltdown, like 0:20:31.400 --> 0:20:33.159 and I'm gonna have to like do some kind of 0:20:33.600 --> 0:20:36.679 triage over FaceTime. But I'm just saying, like, it is 0:20:36.760 --> 0:20:38.399 kind of weird to have like a thirteen year old 0:20:38.480 --> 0:20:40.320 daughter who's home with a sitter and you just haven't 0:20:40.359 --> 0:20:42.119 looked at your phone in twelve hours, because like these 0:20:42.200 --> 0:20:43.280 kids have been gone all night. 0:20:43.640 --> 0:20:46.440 I just wanted to call you out and your phone prads. 0:20:46.760 --> 0:20:48.520 You think I look at my phone too much? You 0:20:48.560 --> 0:20:51.239 look at it a lot? Yeah, I mean I look 0:20:51.280 --> 0:20:51.800 at it a lot. 0:20:52.119 --> 0:20:55.680 Yeah, we're all looking at it a lot. 0:20:56.400 --> 0:20:57.080 She Okay. 0:20:57.160 --> 0:21:00.800 So they get into the apartment, they don't see the girls, 0:21:00.800 --> 0:21:02.000 there's no sign of struggle. 0:21:02.200 --> 0:21:03.640 They call Perry's cell phone. 0:21:03.640 --> 0:21:06.120 It starts ringing from inside the hamster cage, and that's 0:21:06.119 --> 0:21:08.520 where all three of the phones are. And here's where 0:21:08.520 --> 0:21:11.920 we find out that Perry just turned thirteen. Mia is twelve. 0:21:12.080 --> 0:21:14.440 So they're just like these are just little, I mean, 0:21:14.520 --> 0:21:19.320 like barely teens. So Olivia is now at the precinct, 0:21:19.400 --> 0:21:21.400 She's pissed they didn't call her. She's like, we got 0:21:21.400 --> 0:21:23.720 one girl stab, two missing, and they really don't have 0:21:23.720 --> 0:21:27.040 that much to go on, just some blurry photos of 0:21:27.320 --> 0:21:28.480 you know, this man. 0:21:28.440 --> 0:21:29.560 That the birdwatcher took. 0:21:29.640 --> 0:21:31.560 And then on top of that, every cop in the 0:21:31.560 --> 0:21:33.760 city is working the New York City Marathon because it's 0:21:34.320 --> 0:21:38.359 marathon Sunday. And then Zoe is awake, so we go 0:21:38.440 --> 0:21:41.440 over into Zoe's exam room so she can explain what's 0:21:41.440 --> 0:21:44.120 going on. She gives us the whole sleepover scam. It's 0:21:44.119 --> 0:21:46.159 the classic, I mean, it's basically what we saw in 0:21:46.280 --> 0:21:49.199 Mean Too right, Like I mean mean they changed the 0:21:49.200 --> 0:21:52.040 answering machine, but this one was just like I texted 0:21:52.080 --> 0:21:54.200 pretending to be the one mom, and then they texted 0:21:54.240 --> 0:21:56.400 pretending to be another mom, basically saying that they were 0:21:56.440 --> 0:22:00.240 sleeping at Perry's house while Perry's mom was out. But 0:22:00.280 --> 0:22:02.760 Perry told her mom that she was sleeping at those girls' house. 0:22:03.280 --> 0:22:07.480 So blonde mom is getting there's a blonde mom and 0:22:07.480 --> 0:22:09.600 a brunette mom, and the blonde mom's getting really worked up, 0:22:10.040 --> 0:22:11.480 so they got to like take her out of there. 0:22:11.560 --> 0:22:15.400 So they basically asked Zoe, like what happened, and she's like, well, 0:22:15.640 --> 0:22:17.840 Perry and Mia wanted to go into the park at 0:22:17.920 --> 0:22:20.600 night the day after Halloween, like they thought the spirits 0:22:20.600 --> 0:22:23.920 would be out, zombies, et cetera. They left at midnight. 0:22:24.240 --> 0:22:27.200 They said Perry had a camera and then Zoe says 0:22:27.400 --> 0:22:29.919 he caught me knocked me down, and they're like. 0:22:29.920 --> 0:22:32.320 Who are talking about. She's like, it was the Glasgow man. 0:22:32.720 --> 0:22:36.400 So that is this figure who they were trying to meet, 0:22:36.480 --> 0:22:37.160 but then who. 0:22:37.000 --> 0:22:39.760 Also attacked Zoe. 0:22:41.320 --> 0:22:44.880 So the cops are all gathered about two search they're 0:22:44.920 --> 0:22:47.119 looking for a big guy, possibly with a scar on 0:22:47.119 --> 0:22:50.359 his face and an eyepatch. You can tell immediately because 0:22:50.359 --> 0:22:53.000 they're all wearing sailor hats that these are cadets in 0:22:53.000 --> 0:22:55.240 the police academy. They had to call him the Juniane 0:22:55.280 --> 0:22:58.920 Uivarsity because all the other cops were working at the marathon. 0:22:59.560 --> 0:23:03.200 And I din't catch that. That's funny. Yeah. 0:23:03.680 --> 0:23:06.480 They find kind of like a circle of sticks, very 0:23:06.520 --> 0:23:09.320 Blair witchy, and then that right near there they find 0:23:09.400 --> 0:23:12.480 Zoe's backpack, and then they find this sort of little 0:23:12.520 --> 0:23:15.640 cave and one of the cadets just saw a guy 0:23:15.720 --> 0:23:20.399 run in there, so he comes out eventually growling like 0:23:20.480 --> 0:23:23.720 holding a stick, like saying of like just like you know, 0:23:24.400 --> 0:23:29.560 and they tase him, and Rollin's increase here being like 0:23:29.720 --> 0:23:33.200 extra nice to this guy. They're just like stop tasing him, 0:23:33.320 --> 0:23:35.520 like leave him alone, And it's like, Okay, this is 0:23:35.560 --> 0:23:37.879 not realistically how the cops would ever treat an on 0:23:38.000 --> 0:23:41.399 house person or a person dealing with with mental illness 0:23:41.400 --> 0:23:43.320 who was having a confrontation with the cops. 0:23:43.320 --> 0:23:46.640 But it's still selfish because they need him to find 0:23:46.680 --> 0:23:50.439 the girls. Sure, so they can't they they can't taste 0:23:50.480 --> 0:23:52.439 the shit out of him because they need him. 0:23:52.280 --> 0:23:57.840 To chat, right, true, but they are also SVU yes, 0:23:57.920 --> 0:23:59.960 and they're very patient and kind with him kind of 0:24:00.200 --> 0:24:03.160 the entire time, which I just like feels very sv 0:24:03.680 --> 0:24:07.520 the show to me and not necessarily real life. But 0:24:08.760 --> 0:24:11.800 they've got this guy down, handcuffed. They're going to bring 0:24:11.880 --> 0:24:15.240 him in. So they bring Perry's mom and her horny 0:24:15.280 --> 0:24:18.880 boyfriend into the precinct. They show her the suspect. She's 0:24:18.920 --> 0:24:21.040 never seen him before, so she starts crying, being like 0:24:21.240 --> 0:24:24.080 we lost to them, they're dead, Like she's freaking out. 0:24:24.359 --> 0:24:26.199 We get the rundown on who this guy is. His 0:24:26.280 --> 0:24:30.360 name is Charlie Dorsey. He's thirty six. He has been 0:24:30.520 --> 0:24:34.040 spotted around the neighborhood collecting cans. He was a frequent 0:24:34.119 --> 0:24:37.040 flyer at the State Asylum, according to Tomorrow, but they 0:24:37.119 --> 0:24:39.280 turned him loose when they got shut down. Then he 0:24:39.320 --> 0:24:42.520 stopped taking his meds. Then he stabbed a guy and 0:24:42.560 --> 0:24:45.640 the kidney in a shelter and then got three years 0:24:45.640 --> 0:24:47.960 in Attica, was released two years ago, met with his 0:24:48.000 --> 0:24:49.840 parole officer one time, and has been off the grid 0:24:49.880 --> 0:24:53.199 ever since. So you know, this is like just a 0:24:53.240 --> 0:24:58.480 person who is living on the streets without any kind 0:24:58.560 --> 0:25:00.480 of medical supervision. 0:25:00.040 --> 0:25:01.960 And probably needs a little bit of help. 0:25:02.359 --> 0:25:04.600 Okay, they're talking about this guy being let out of 0:25:04.600 --> 0:25:07.560 the State asylum, and of course he went on to 0:25:08.040 --> 0:25:12.280 like reoffend and Cariese's like, I mean, you can't be 0:25:12.320 --> 0:25:14.320 surprised when you unscrew the lid of assault shaker and 0:25:14.359 --> 0:25:16.359 the next surprise when it spills all over the table, 0:25:16.400 --> 0:25:19.040 And I'm like, can I get a job? This is 0:25:19.080 --> 0:25:21.840 not a good metaphor. It's not funny, and it's just 0:25:21.880 --> 0:25:25.040 like who's unscrewing assault shaker and leaving it on the table. 0:25:25.119 --> 0:25:28.320 It's like, what are you pranksters? Pranksters. 0:25:28.520 --> 0:25:30.240 That's what they let him out of his They let 0:25:30.320 --> 0:25:32.160 him out of the state asylum as a prank and 0:25:32.240 --> 0:25:33.560 he stabbed a guy in a kidney. 0:25:33.920 --> 0:25:35.360 So I think the prankster won. 0:25:37.359 --> 0:25:40.240 So yeah, I just I was like, there's a better 0:25:40.359 --> 0:25:44.120 room for a better metaphor here, So no weapon on him. 0:25:44.160 --> 0:25:48.480 They're testing his clothes. The cave is pretty tidy. Of course, 0:25:48.600 --> 0:25:50.639 you noticed how tidy the cave was. 0:25:51.240 --> 0:25:53.919 No, that's what they said. I was impressed when I 0:25:53.920 --> 0:25:54.520 saw it later. 0:25:54.840 --> 0:25:56.360 When I saw it later, I was like, oh my god, 0:25:56.400 --> 0:26:03.520 he keeps it so clean. So they're talking about searching 0:26:03.520 --> 0:26:06.560 for these girls in the woods, but Tomorrow's like, the 0:26:06.600 --> 0:26:07.679 woods are really dense. 0:26:07.760 --> 0:26:10.040 It's the last primeval forest in the area. And this 0:26:10.119 --> 0:26:11.040 is true. I looked it up. 0:26:12.200 --> 0:26:16.040 So this is Inwoodhill Park, which is part of one 0:26:16.080 --> 0:26:19.400 of which is Manhattan's only primeval forest, and a primeval 0:26:19.440 --> 0:26:23.280 forest is basically just a forest that's been mainly untouched. 0:26:23.960 --> 0:26:26.520 So there's like a weird moment where Caresy and Tomorrow 0:26:26.640 --> 0:26:28.320 or like butting heads. Did you notice this? 0:26:28.480 --> 0:26:30.560 We're like, oh, I noticed it, and I was like, wow, 0:26:30.560 --> 0:26:34.040 we don't really get them that much together, right, Like yeah, 0:26:34.080 --> 0:26:35.440 it's kind of a rare tree. 0:26:35.720 --> 0:26:38.359 There is this like weird moment where Careese and Tomorrow 0:26:38.359 --> 0:26:39.919 are kind of having like a little bit of like 0:26:39.960 --> 0:26:42.720 a dick measuring contests of like, let me take it 0:26:42.720 --> 0:26:43.520 a run at this guy. 0:26:44.000 --> 0:26:45.719 I actually have a pretty good relationship with him. 0:26:45.720 --> 0:26:48.040 And then it's like Amanda and then Olivia is like, Amanda, 0:26:48.200 --> 0:26:49.600 pick with one of your boyfriends you. 0:26:49.520 --> 0:26:53.199 Think is better? That was shady. Yeah, Olivia knows how 0:26:53.200 --> 0:26:54.360 to drum up some drama. 0:26:55.920 --> 0:27:00.000 So Charlie is definitely kind of having like a paranoid 0:27:00.080 --> 0:27:02.200 mental health event when they go in to speak with him, 0:27:02.240 --> 0:27:05.080 like he's sort of going from howling like a dog 0:27:05.240 --> 0:27:07.320 to telling them he knows he's on their watch list. 0:27:07.480 --> 0:27:09.760 He said he saw a missile shoot down the plane 0:27:10.359 --> 0:27:14.679 that presumably Sully Selenberg landed, and that like they know 0:27:14.760 --> 0:27:17.960 that he knows the truth about Sully's flight and that's 0:27:17.960 --> 0:27:21.719 why he's on this watch list. So Olivia promises her 0:27:21.720 --> 0:27:23.880 phone doesn't have lasers in it and then shows him 0:27:23.920 --> 0:27:25.880 a picture of the girls and he says he's never 0:27:25.920 --> 0:27:28.280 seen any of these girls before, But then they show 0:27:28.320 --> 0:27:31.600 him a picture of him picking Zoe up because there's 0:27:31.600 --> 0:27:33.800 a picture of him holding Zoe, and he says he 0:27:33.840 --> 0:27:37.159 does remember her, that she smelled like strawberries, and that 0:27:38.000 --> 0:27:40.280 he found her so he could kind of move her 0:27:40.280 --> 0:27:42.480 away from his area because he knew he would be 0:27:42.480 --> 0:27:46.159 accused of stabbing her and he was trying to be 0:27:46.560 --> 0:27:50.440 the last good samaritan in this dying society. And they're like, well, 0:27:50.480 --> 0:27:53.879 you know, you did save her in a way, but 0:27:53.920 --> 0:27:56.320 he says he doesn't know about the other girls, but 0:27:56.440 --> 0:28:00.159 you guys should know everything because you're filming me. He 0:28:00.240 --> 0:28:03.320 basically says he has found this device in his dwelling, 0:28:04.240 --> 0:28:07.600 that is that the cops planted on him, and that 0:28:07.600 --> 0:28:09.360 that is what they're using to surveil him. 0:28:09.680 --> 0:28:13.359 A real Munch vibe. Yes, it's a very much vibe. 0:28:13.440 --> 0:28:15.359 Munch is like I've heard of weirder things. 0:28:15.760 --> 0:28:18.600 So they're gonna go check out the device and he's like, 0:28:18.640 --> 0:28:20.919 I'm gonna need my eye patch back for that, and 0:28:20.960 --> 0:28:22.760 he's like, don't and he says he has like a 0:28:22.760 --> 0:28:24.920 really touching and he's like, don't threaten me with medication. 0:28:25.119 --> 0:28:26.120 Just treat me like a man. 0:28:26.359 --> 0:28:28.920 So it's like kind of a when I had pink 0:28:28.920 --> 0:28:31.480 Ey but still wanted a party in my early twenties. 0:28:31.520 --> 0:28:34.240 I did go out with an eye patch with pink eye. 0:28:34.440 --> 0:28:36.840 Yeah, my friend Chox, he bought me a pink eye 0:28:36.880 --> 0:28:38.280 patch with a butterfly on it. 0:28:38.800 --> 0:28:42.080 Lisa, I appreciate the fashion moment, but I think you're 0:28:42.080 --> 0:28:43.800 supposed to let pink eye like breathe. 0:28:44.840 --> 0:28:46.120 I know, but I used to get it all the 0:28:46.160 --> 0:28:49.080 time for some reason, and so I just needed. 0:28:48.840 --> 0:28:49.400 To go out. 0:28:50.400 --> 0:28:52.040 You know what, if we keep this in the podcast, 0:28:52.080 --> 0:28:53.680 people are gonna say, the reason you get pink eye 0:28:53.680 --> 0:28:55.480 all the time is because you're not washing your. 0:28:55.320 --> 0:28:56.280 Hands after you go. 0:28:57.680 --> 0:28:57.880 Yeah. 0:28:57.920 --> 0:28:59.960 Are you sure you want that input, Liza. 0:29:00.600 --> 0:29:02.760 Yeah, I haven't had pink eye like over in like 0:29:02.800 --> 0:29:06.080 a decade. Yeah yeah, but I had outdoors. I had 0:29:06.120 --> 0:29:10.120 shows last night, and I did go. I mean it's over, guys, right, 0:29:10.200 --> 0:29:12.640 Like I stopped washing my hands and I got laughs 0:29:12.680 --> 0:29:16.080 both times. So I think I think everyone's not washing 0:29:16.160 --> 0:29:20.080 their hands now. I think everyone's well noting happy birthday anymore. 0:29:20.240 --> 0:29:22.600 Not to yes, and not to the degree that we were. 0:29:22.600 --> 0:29:24.560 Like the minute we walked in the door, like before 0:29:24.560 --> 0:29:26.720 I even touched Rosie, I was like washing my hands. 0:29:26.720 --> 0:29:30.480 I'm definitely I've definitely lost that discipline. 0:29:30.520 --> 0:29:33.360 My favorite is like when we all couldn't get wipes, 0:29:33.400 --> 0:29:35.520 and then I found, like through a friend that we 0:29:35.560 --> 0:29:40.280 can get wipes from U Salon websites like to clean 0:29:40.360 --> 0:29:44.200 tanning beds and hair studios, and so all of us 0:29:44.280 --> 0:29:46.120 bought jugs of these wipes. 0:29:46.160 --> 0:29:49.760 I have had two massive ones that like one of 0:29:49.800 --> 0:29:51.800 them is unopened. One of them has like maybe ten 0:29:51.840 --> 0:29:53.160 wipes removed from it. 0:29:53.040 --> 0:29:55.240 Like it was like over, like we got them too 0:29:55.320 --> 0:29:58.160 late in the pandemic process, and we all just have 0:29:58.280 --> 0:30:01.400 these Salon wipes time, like our eye tend group. 0:30:01.640 --> 0:30:03.920 I literally this past weekend, I've had them on the 0:30:03.960 --> 0:30:06.200 counter like ready to sanitize, and I'm like, I think 0:30:06.240 --> 0:30:06.640 it's time. 0:30:06.560 --> 0:30:07.960 To put these away. I just put them into a 0:30:08.080 --> 0:30:11.280 cabinet like goodbye, goodbye, sweet but. 0:30:12.760 --> 0:30:15.840 That jug in suitcases like every time I've gone home 0:30:15.880 --> 0:30:17.800 to Skokie and back to LA I'm like, I gotta 0:30:17.840 --> 0:30:20.680 get my salon wipes, and then they're never used. 0:30:21.400 --> 0:30:24.320 It's so big, I can't believe you traveled with it anyway. 0:30:25.320 --> 0:30:29.200 So now we're back at Charlie's cave with Charlie's help, 0:30:29.560 --> 0:30:32.600 and he tells them where to find quote unquote this device, 0:30:33.280 --> 0:30:36.520 and like he keeps asking Careesi to like switch his 0:30:36.600 --> 0:30:40.520 eye patch so that like people like can't see him 0:30:40.680 --> 0:30:42.840 or like he can't get hurt. It's sort of like 0:30:42.880 --> 0:30:47.480 a endearing little thing about Charlie. And then he's like, Okay, 0:30:47.480 --> 0:30:49.240 thank you, we found the device. Let me take you 0:30:49.280 --> 0:30:51.440 back in. Rollins is like, I'll stay here and guard 0:30:51.480 --> 0:30:54.160 your cave. I mean she's bluffing. Obviously, she's going to 0:30:54.200 --> 0:30:56.440 search through all the stuff. She finds a bunch of 0:30:56.480 --> 0:30:59.640 bloody knives. So back at the precinct, we find out 0:30:59.640 --> 0:31:01.719 that there's still no trace of the two girls and 0:31:01.760 --> 0:31:03.680 that Charlie has told them that the knives are for 0:31:03.800 --> 0:31:05.800 hunting and fishing, and he claims that the blood on 0:31:05.840 --> 0:31:10.280 them is from bluefish. Now terru Has is moving quickly. 0:31:10.480 --> 0:31:14.520 They have the device and it's the video camera from 0:31:14.520 --> 0:31:15.040 the girls. 0:31:15.200 --> 0:31:16.080 So I don't know. 0:31:16.120 --> 0:31:18.280 I got the impression that Charlie had thought that that 0:31:18.440 --> 0:31:21.480 device had been planted in his cave like a long 0:31:21.560 --> 0:31:24.200 time ago, but I guess it was just the night before, 0:31:24.320 --> 0:31:25.560 like when these girls went missing. 0:31:25.800 --> 0:31:27.800 I really don't know get the timeline sometimes with. 0:31:27.800 --> 0:31:31.200 These things, So they are able to take off video 0:31:31.240 --> 0:31:34.400 off this like sort of smashed up camera there's video 0:31:34.520 --> 0:31:37.960 of the girls talking about how tonight glasgow Man's going 0:31:38.000 --> 0:31:40.120 to meet them and take them to his mansion and 0:31:40.160 --> 0:31:42.360 all this stuff, and they're like, Zoe didn't tell us 0:31:42.400 --> 0:31:47.120 any of this. So at the hospital, Zoe's claiming up. 0:31:47.160 --> 0:31:49.200 She's like, I can't tell you. I already broke the pact. 0:31:49.200 --> 0:31:52.320 It's like, your sister is missing. You do you've missed? 0:31:52.800 --> 0:31:55.320 Your sister is missing. Your moms are going nuts. The 0:31:55.360 --> 0:31:58.440 mom's like, drop cut the shit, honey, tell everything. So 0:31:58.600 --> 0:32:02.520 Zoe thinks glasgow Man will kill Perry and Mia if 0:32:02.520 --> 0:32:05.360 he finds out that grown ups know about this, so 0:32:05.440 --> 0:32:08.280 immediately like that's a red flag with any like little 0:32:09.600 --> 0:32:11.760 creepy meme thing that kids are into. It's like, oh, 0:32:11.800 --> 0:32:14.960 only kids can know about it. That's not gonna be 0:32:15.440 --> 0:32:18.600 that's not gonna work out well. She explains that if 0:32:18.600 --> 0:32:21.520 glasgow Man likes you, you get to live in his mansion, 0:32:21.680 --> 0:32:26.600 no rules, no school means sounds pretty cool, Lisa. 0:32:25.920 --> 0:32:29.840 Yeah, you're down. I'm down with a mansion with no rules. 0:32:29.720 --> 0:32:33.080 A mansion, no rules, no school, I'm in, and that 0:32:33.120 --> 0:32:38.040 there are portals to other realms inside the mansion. And 0:32:38.160 --> 0:32:40.040 in the video they'd been talking about a map, and 0:32:40.080 --> 0:32:41.960 so they're like, well, where did the map come from? 0:32:42.720 --> 0:32:47.520 And Zoe's like, oh, from Leslie. Perry's babysitter plot twist. 0:32:47.600 --> 0:32:51.840 Leslie is a boy, So they go to Leslie's apartment. 0:32:52.200 --> 0:32:55.080 He is kind of just like this nerdy dude and 0:32:55.120 --> 0:32:58.479 he's got all these drawings up on his wall and 0:32:58.520 --> 0:33:00.920 he's wearing a Glasgow Man sweat, which. 0:33:00.760 --> 0:33:03.280 I kind of like, yeah, I want glasgow Man. I 0:33:03.320 --> 0:33:04.080 was like, I. 0:33:04.040 --> 0:33:10.240 Would totally get a glasgow mansbun shirt. So they're like, 0:33:10.800 --> 0:33:12.920 tell us about glasgow Man and he's like, glasgow Man 0:33:13.000 --> 0:33:13.560 isn't real. 0:33:14.200 --> 0:33:16.160 So they show him a picture of Charlie. He says, oh, yeah, 0:33:16.200 --> 0:33:16.720 I know him. 0:33:16.760 --> 0:33:20.040 I bring him food and he tells me crazy stories 0:33:20.040 --> 0:33:22.400 and the kids call him glasgow Man. I just took 0:33:22.440 --> 0:33:24.920 it and ran with it and like amped the story 0:33:25.000 --> 0:33:25.880 up for entertainment. 0:33:26.080 --> 0:33:29.640 They treat him like a full on deviant criminal, and 0:33:29.720 --> 0:33:33.400 I'm like, he's clearly like a sweet nerd. I don't 0:33:33.480 --> 0:33:36.240 get their aggression towards him, Like I was thinking the 0:33:36.360 --> 0:33:38.320 same thing. I was like, you all guys need to 0:33:38.560 --> 0:33:42.080 calm down. They start ripping his shit apart, and it's 0:33:42.120 --> 0:33:45.720 like he's he's a good I don't know. It confused me, 0:33:46.000 --> 0:33:47.720 and I know they have to rush because they want 0:33:47.720 --> 0:33:51.840 to find these girls, but I was not into how 0:33:51.960 --> 0:33:52.800 mean they were to him. 0:33:53.000 --> 0:33:55.080 He clearly is a chill dude. 0:33:55.240 --> 0:33:57.880 And he has like a It's like, I think even 0:33:57.880 --> 0:34:00.959 since twenty fourteen, that kind of stuff has been more mainstream, 0:34:01.120 --> 0:34:05.960 just like graphic novels and you know, spooky mem type 0:34:05.960 --> 0:34:08.560 of stuff where it's like that doesn't necessarily mean you're 0:34:08.600 --> 0:34:11.759 like a deviant who kidnapped two kids, Like you just 0:34:11.840 --> 0:34:13.720 are into My husband's into that stuff. 0:34:13.719 --> 0:34:17.560 He's not kidnapping anyone as far as I know. You know, 0:34:17.719 --> 0:34:20.040 he would not be able to be kidnapping. 0:34:19.600 --> 0:34:22.360 Without you know it, without me knowing. He can barely 0:34:22.360 --> 0:34:27.920 eat at Arby's without me knowing. Okay, so Perry, he 0:34:27.960 --> 0:34:31.280 basically explains, he's like, Perry likes scary stories. I started 0:34:31.320 --> 0:34:33.319 telling them these stories. I'm trying to turn it into 0:34:33.320 --> 0:34:35.799 a graphic novel. Because then they find this picture of 0:34:35.880 --> 0:34:38.320 like basically the three girls and they're like have blood 0:34:38.320 --> 0:34:40.279 on them and they look spooky, and it's like, yeah, 0:34:40.320 --> 0:34:43.200 because he turned the little story he told them into artwork. 0:34:43.239 --> 0:34:46.080 It's not that's not a crime. So they're like, where's 0:34:46.120 --> 0:34:46.479 the map. 0:34:46.520 --> 0:34:49.879 Olivia starts like ripping things off the wall, and he 0:34:49.920 --> 0:34:51.680 caves because he doesn't want them to like destroy all 0:34:51.680 --> 0:34:53.560 his work. I don't know why he wouldn't just say 0:34:53.560 --> 0:34:56.839 before where he thought the entrance might be, but he 0:34:56.880 --> 0:34:59.520 basically says it's like an entrance that he created in 0:34:59.520 --> 0:35:03.040 his mind that would be upriver somewhere. And they talk 0:35:03.080 --> 0:35:05.480 about Spitan Devil Park, which I hope I'm saying the 0:35:05.560 --> 0:35:08.080 right way. It's in the Bronx. It's right when you 0:35:08.120 --> 0:35:12.440 cross over from Manhattan into the Bronx, and so that's 0:35:12.440 --> 0:35:15.760 where they head. They head to this park and they're 0:35:16.880 --> 0:35:18.120 searching for the girls. 0:35:18.120 --> 0:35:19.560 They enter an abandoned building. 0:35:20.080 --> 0:35:21.719 First they see a knife on the ground, then they 0:35:21.719 --> 0:35:24.160 see a dead cat, and then Amaro finds this like 0:35:24.200 --> 0:35:26.960 abandoned room that has like you know, vinds all over 0:35:27.000 --> 0:35:30.320 it and breaks down the door and finds the girls 0:35:30.400 --> 0:35:33.320 lying on the ground bleeding, barely conscious. I mean they're talking, 0:35:33.320 --> 0:35:36.840 they're like help us, but they're they're not fully conscious, 0:35:38.200 --> 0:35:39.880 and they say, who did this to you? And Perry 0:35:39.920 --> 0:35:42.279 goes Glasgow man he said he was coming back to 0:35:42.320 --> 0:35:45.960 bleed the devil out of us, but he never did scary. 0:35:46.640 --> 0:35:46.960 Okay. 0:35:47.000 --> 0:35:49.800 So now we're in the hospital. Mia is giving her account. 0:35:49.880 --> 0:35:52.839 She seems fine. She's not even like in a hospital bed. 0:35:52.880 --> 0:35:55.360 She's like sitting on a hospital bed fully clothed. So 0:35:55.400 --> 0:35:57.359 I don't know if MIA's stab wounds were just kind 0:35:57.360 --> 0:35:59.920 of like shallow, like she's not even in a hospital gown. 0:36:00.920 --> 0:36:04.520 She said they were in the woods. Glasgow man saw 0:36:04.520 --> 0:36:07.680 them and started chasing them. She said she went back 0:36:07.719 --> 0:36:10.600 and saw him standing over Zoe's body, just stabbing and 0:36:10.680 --> 0:36:15.160 stabbing her, and then he went after her and Perry 0:36:15.320 --> 0:36:17.200 and said if they didn't go with him, he'd bleed 0:36:17.239 --> 0:36:18.160 them out right there. 0:36:18.840 --> 0:36:19.960 So he covered Zoe with. 0:36:20.000 --> 0:36:22.480 Leaves and left her there. And now they're talking to 0:36:22.560 --> 0:36:27.279 Perry getting her story. And you can tell Olivia kind 0:36:27.280 --> 0:36:30.360 of clocks that they're using some of the same language, 0:36:30.719 --> 0:36:33.240 so like they like almost like they rehearsed their stories 0:36:33.320 --> 0:36:35.799 or were relished in some way ballistic. 0:36:35.920 --> 0:36:37.560 That's kind of what stopped her. 0:36:38.040 --> 0:36:40.800 Also, I do need to add, like while they're talking 0:36:40.800 --> 0:36:44.120 to Perry in the hospital, there is a the mom's 0:36:44.200 --> 0:36:48.760 hand with like red long nails as on her shoulder, 0:36:49.480 --> 0:36:52.200 and it is the most aggressive hand acting I've ever 0:36:52.239 --> 0:36:54.839 seen in my life. Like, I couldn't stop looking at 0:36:54.840 --> 0:36:58.160 this hand. It's giant, and the nails are so acrylic, 0:36:58.520 --> 0:37:01.759 and she's like petting her unwrinkling the show like it's 0:37:01.840 --> 0:37:05.040 just like a full with the Adams family hand. 0:37:05.120 --> 0:37:09.360 Yes, it's so much and you don't and you only see. 0:37:09.200 --> 0:37:10.840 The back of her head in her hand for like 0:37:11.040 --> 0:37:14.680 ten minutes, and I'm just like it was distracting for me. 0:37:15.239 --> 0:37:17.879 Wait, I'm also humiliated. It's not cousin it. It's thing. 0:37:19.040 --> 0:37:21.000 Oh, I can't believe I said cousin it. Cousin it 0:37:21.080 --> 0:37:21.920 means that way worth it. 0:37:21.960 --> 0:37:22.399 I don't care. 0:37:22.520 --> 0:37:24.560 Cousin it is the hair. I've just love the Adam's 0:37:24.560 --> 0:37:26.359 family and I don't want to embarrass myself. Well, when 0:37:26.400 --> 0:37:28.279 you just said cousin it, I went, oh, yeah, the 0:37:28.280 --> 0:37:29.000 bald one. 0:37:29.040 --> 0:37:37.080 Like that's vester. Thing is the hand. Okay. 0:37:37.080 --> 0:37:40.600 So Perry says that Glasgow man tied me up and 0:37:40.640 --> 0:37:41.920 they're like, but he didn't tie you. 0:37:41.920 --> 0:37:43.359 Up, and she's like I was fighting him off. 0:37:43.360 --> 0:37:46.160 It's like, okay, so you're you're stronger, what you're like 0:37:46.280 --> 0:37:49.240 smaller than me? This is none of this is starting 0:37:49.239 --> 0:37:51.879 to make sense and They're like, oh, yeah, Glasgow man 0:37:51.960 --> 0:37:54.880 hurt helicopters and got spooked and so he stabbed Perry, 0:37:54.960 --> 0:37:58.640 killed the cat and took off and she heard him 0:37:58.680 --> 0:37:59.239 kill the cat. 0:37:59.320 --> 0:38:00.200 She didn't see it. 0:38:00.760 --> 0:38:05.400 And she says this all happened last night, Sunday, and 0:38:05.440 --> 0:38:08.120 then she identifies Charlie from a lineup on the phone 0:38:08.160 --> 0:38:09.759 and says, oh my god, how did you get this 0:38:09.840 --> 0:38:11.160 close to him? 0:38:11.960 --> 0:38:13.640 So at the hospital. 0:38:14.040 --> 0:38:17.480 Now outside of this room, beautiful doctor is back and 0:38:17.560 --> 0:38:21.120 she tells Rollins that they have dehydration and exposure. They 0:38:21.160 --> 0:38:23.879 had food in their backpacks, mostly candy, which I love 0:38:24.200 --> 0:38:26.000 because I feel like I planned to run away like 0:38:26.040 --> 0:38:28.000 two or three times, made it to the top of 0:38:28.000 --> 0:38:29.640 my driveway and then was like, it's too windy. 0:38:29.680 --> 0:38:30.719 I should try another day. 0:38:31.000 --> 0:38:32.640 And I feel like all I ever had was like 0:38:33.239 --> 0:38:35.320 a package of dunk a Ruse and some fruit snacks, 0:38:35.360 --> 0:38:36.520 and I was like, this will last me. 0:38:37.480 --> 0:38:37.760 Yeah. 0:38:37.840 --> 0:38:40.520 I love. One of my favorite things is kids with 0:38:40.560 --> 0:38:44.080 little suitcases with their own bags and it's like, what. 0:38:43.960 --> 0:38:46.680 Have you gotten there? I want to know, would you pack? 0:38:46.880 --> 0:38:51.960 It's cute. Yeah, So she explains that the stab wounds on. 0:38:51.960 --> 0:38:55.480 Perry were all on the left side mostly arms, no organs, 0:38:55.520 --> 0:38:57.040 and they're not as deep as Zoey's. 0:38:57.400 --> 0:38:58.520 She also says that these. 0:38:58.360 --> 0:39:01.400 Wounds are fresh, like only an hour or two old, 0:39:02.000 --> 0:39:06.000 and that she had no defensive wounds. So Rollins, you know, 0:39:06.080 --> 0:39:08.719 meets up in the hallway with Live and Tomorrow and 0:39:08.719 --> 0:39:11.040 they're basically like the timeline on this is way off. 0:39:11.080 --> 0:39:14.399 They've had Charlie and custody since Sunday afternoon, So there's 0:39:14.440 --> 0:39:17.719 no way that these that he could have done at 0:39:17.719 --> 0:39:19.520 this because these wounds are fresh. 0:39:20.120 --> 0:39:23.200 I love the confidence of children thinking they can mastermind 0:39:23.239 --> 0:39:26.560 a whole thing, I know, against a New York City 0:39:26.600 --> 0:39:27.920 police I know. 0:39:30.520 --> 0:39:33.640 So Rollins has checked their social checked their texts, and 0:39:33.680 --> 0:39:36.120 she's like, they don't really have that much up there. 0:39:36.120 --> 0:39:38.000 They don't have that many other friends, and it's just 0:39:38.000 --> 0:39:39.960 like a ton of texts back and forth between me 0:39:40.040 --> 0:39:44.000 and Perry about probably about Glasgow man, and they're like 0:39:44.080 --> 0:39:47.400 in their own world, she says. So they talked to 0:39:47.480 --> 0:39:49.799 Zoe and they're like, any reason why Perry or Mia 0:39:49.800 --> 0:39:52.160 would want to hurt you, And she's like, well, maybe Perry, 0:39:52.239 --> 0:39:54.839 she pushed me down one time, but Mia would never 0:39:54.920 --> 0:39:55.760 hurt me on purpose. 0:39:55.800 --> 0:39:58.280 We're sisters. We love each other. It's like, really cute. 0:39:58.440 --> 0:40:01.000 She's in a couple other movies this, she's very sweet. 0:40:02.360 --> 0:40:05.960 The knife in that they found in the gatehouse where 0:40:06.000 --> 0:40:08.880 they found the two girls only has Perry's prints on it, 0:40:08.960 --> 0:40:12.000 so now they basically have confirmed she stabbed herself. The 0:40:12.080 --> 0:40:17.319 knife that stabbed Zoe has DNA from Charlie, Perry, and Mia. 0:40:17.840 --> 0:40:20.600 So Charlie was telling the truth like he didn't do this, 0:40:21.239 --> 0:40:23.960 I think, because I don't know why. That leads them 0:40:23.960 --> 0:40:25.719 to believe that he's definitely telling the truth since his 0:40:25.800 --> 0:40:29.120 DNA is on the knife, but also the girls is 0:40:29.120 --> 0:40:29.839 on the knife, so. 0:40:32.000 --> 0:40:33.880 They're like, should we call Barbara. 0:40:34.000 --> 0:40:35.480 This is a bit of a blue balling for the 0:40:35.480 --> 0:40:38.400 Barbara Brigade because they go, should we call Barbara, and 0:40:38.440 --> 0:40:40.239 then they're like no, and they don't call Barbara, and 0:40:40.280 --> 0:40:42.080 he never shows up in this episode, so I could 0:40:42.080 --> 0:40:45.520 see how some of you would be upset. But Olivia 0:40:45.560 --> 0:40:48.919 explains both the girls are under fourteen. Zoe lived, I'll 0:40:48.920 --> 0:40:52.680 call corporation Council, which I looked that up, and the 0:40:52.719 --> 0:40:55.800 Corporation Council is the chief legal officer who handles civil 0:40:55.800 --> 0:40:58.960 claims against the city, So I guess they end up 0:40:59.000 --> 0:41:00.960 calling in eighty a p. Cox, who must be the 0:41:00.960 --> 0:41:03.560 Corporation Council, to ask her like, what's the best course 0:41:03.600 --> 0:41:07.200 of action here, because this is almost like an adult 0:41:07.200 --> 0:41:09.200 crime where you could charge one of them as an adult, 0:41:09.280 --> 0:41:11.040 but the it's a living victim. 0:41:11.120 --> 0:41:12.759 The girls are under fourteen. I don't know what the 0:41:12.840 --> 0:41:13.319 rules are. 0:41:13.560 --> 0:41:16.440 So Crasy goes to Charlie and he goes, you know, 0:41:16.719 --> 0:41:19.120 I know you're crazy, but you're not paranoid, and he 0:41:19.160 --> 0:41:21.640 wants to get him into a program, onto some meds. 0:41:21.680 --> 0:41:23.120 He's like, we can't just like let you back out 0:41:23.120 --> 0:41:26.040 into the woods, and Charlie's like agrees. 0:41:25.680 --> 0:41:27.240 He's like, I can do that for a little while. 0:41:27.360 --> 0:41:30.640 So hopefully, you know, some piece is going to come 0:41:30.680 --> 0:41:33.600 to Charlie because ultimately he was a good guy who 0:41:33.640 --> 0:41:36.120 was just helping a little girl. Okay, So now we're 0:41:36.160 --> 0:41:39.759 in an interrogation room with Mia, and this is my 0:41:39.840 --> 0:41:42.920 favorite kind of interrogation on SVU. When it's like raining 0:41:42.960 --> 0:41:45.680 outside and dark and there's lightning, like I just think 0:41:45.719 --> 0:41:48.440 it's like like, I don't know, I love the feeling 0:41:48.480 --> 0:41:52.400 of it, so it's like spooky and fun. And I 0:41:52.440 --> 0:41:54.960 also like when it's pouring rain, but you're dry inside. 0:41:55.040 --> 0:41:57.960 I think Rosie's rubbed off on you. Oh, because she 0:41:58.040 --> 0:41:58.840 likes sayings spooky. 0:41:58.880 --> 0:42:03.839 Now, oh yeah, you can't stop. Well, this episode did 0:42:03.880 --> 0:42:07.160 come out around Halloween. It's supposed to be a Halloween episode, 0:42:07.200 --> 0:42:10.839 and you know Halloween is for spooky times. Yes, but 0:42:10.920 --> 0:42:13.440 my kid is all the time saying is that spooky 0:42:13.640 --> 0:42:16.160 to me? So she's trying to figure out the definition 0:42:16.200 --> 0:42:21.319 of spook. Okay, so they're interrogating Mia. She's like, I 0:42:21.360 --> 0:42:23.040 just thought we were gonna leave Zoe in the woods 0:42:23.040 --> 0:42:26.239 and scare her. And I'm like, that's also terrifying, like 0:42:26.280 --> 0:42:28.319 to do that to your little sister, like when you 0:42:28.400 --> 0:42:30.680 live in New York City, to bring your kid or 0:42:30.719 --> 0:42:32.520 even if you have any word, we're just gonna bring 0:42:32.520 --> 0:42:34.120 my sister into the woods and leave her there. 0:42:34.840 --> 0:42:39.439 I can see that so scary. You could see that happening. Yeah, 0:42:39.840 --> 0:42:41.560 you don't have a little sister. I wouldn't have done 0:42:41.560 --> 0:42:43.000 that to my little sister. No. I don't think my 0:42:43.040 --> 0:42:44.360 sister would have done it to me either. 0:42:44.440 --> 0:42:46.640 But I don't think it's like that crazy to be like, 0:42:46.640 --> 0:42:48.840 oh yeah, let's just because I remember we did have 0:42:48.880 --> 0:42:51.560 a friend who was scared of the cemetery, and we 0:42:51.800 --> 0:42:54.480 tried to plan like a way to drop her in 0:42:54.520 --> 0:42:58.520 there at night or something, but we couldn't. Like we didn't, 0:42:58.840 --> 0:43:01.440 but I could. I just don't think it's that crazy. 0:43:01.680 --> 0:43:03.279 I think bringing them in there and kind of like 0:43:03.400 --> 0:43:05.719 hiding from them is one thing, but like to leave 0:43:05.760 --> 0:43:07.640 them there, that seems like, I don't know, that seems 0:43:07.680 --> 0:43:08.360 really harsh. 0:43:08.560 --> 0:43:11.640 I'm not advocating for it, I am Jaz. 0:43:11.760 --> 0:43:14.400 It really sounds like you're telling people to leave children 0:43:14.440 --> 0:43:16.399 in the woods. That's kind of what I'm getting from 0:43:16.400 --> 0:43:16.960 you right now. 0:43:17.000 --> 0:43:19.680 That's the vibe. So, And like the woods in New York, 0:43:19.760 --> 0:43:20.560 how big are they? 0:43:21.160 --> 0:43:25.439 They're pretty big. This is a prime evil forest. Doesn't 0:43:25.480 --> 0:43:27.600 that scare you? Just the idea of a prime evil 0:43:27.640 --> 0:43:30.200 forest leaving a nine year old, I don't know. I 0:43:30.239 --> 0:43:32.960 don't know what prime evil means. I told you a 0:43:33.000 --> 0:43:35.600 primeval forest just means it's like an untouched forest. It 0:43:35.600 --> 0:43:38.239 hasn't been like manicured. It's not like Central Park with 0:43:38.360 --> 0:43:41.759 like a you know a lot of boat houses and 0:43:41.840 --> 0:43:44.840 cute little freakin rot like ice skating rinks. 0:43:44.880 --> 0:43:47.440 Well, I would never say Central Park is a forest. 0:43:48.040 --> 0:43:50.480 Okay, where do we go from here. I'm just telling 0:43:50.480 --> 0:43:52.000 you I don't think leaving a nine year old in 0:43:52.040 --> 0:43:56.280 a primeval forest, which seems like a very dense forest. 0:43:56.000 --> 0:43:58.000 Is a good idea. I don't think it's a good idea. 0:43:58.280 --> 0:44:01.440 But I do understand that kid prank. You know, I 0:44:01.480 --> 0:44:04.240 could see it happening without it being like, these bitches 0:44:04.280 --> 0:44:05.440 need to go to jail, you know. 0:44:06.080 --> 0:44:08.520 Okay, the snabbing is what takes me over the end. 0:44:08.560 --> 0:44:11.240 The shabbing, Yeah, I would say the stabbing is a heightening, 0:44:12.719 --> 0:44:16.040 to put it in improv terms. So they're like, well, 0:44:16.040 --> 0:44:18.120 why did you bring a knife, And MIA's like, I 0:44:18.120 --> 0:44:20.200 didn't bring a knife. Perry brought a knife. She brought 0:44:20.200 --> 0:44:21.840 one for her and one for me, and it was 0:44:21.880 --> 0:44:25.560 for protection. And then basically the lawyers are like they 0:44:25.560 --> 0:44:28.760 need to know whose idea this was, and Mia completely flips. 0:44:28.840 --> 0:44:31.399 She's like, it was all Perry's idea. She hit Zoe 0:44:31.560 --> 0:44:34.279 on the head with a rock. She told me to 0:44:34.400 --> 0:44:37.880 stab Zoe, but I wouldn't do it. She went crazy 0:44:37.960 --> 0:44:40.440 and just started stabbing Zoe and there was so much blood. 0:44:42.520 --> 0:44:44.360 Mia says. Perry says she would kill me if I 0:44:44.360 --> 0:44:47.280 didn't do what she said. Blonde Mom is like something's 0:44:47.320 --> 0:44:49.000 always been off about that girl. And I'm like, and 0:44:49.040 --> 0:44:53.360 you're just mentioning that. Now Perry takes the knife and 0:44:53.440 --> 0:44:56.320 the camera threw them away, made me cover her sister 0:44:56.400 --> 0:44:58.879 with the leaves, and then held a knife to her throat, 0:44:59.160 --> 0:45:01.360 and she's like, forget about Zoe. We're going to glasgow 0:45:01.400 --> 0:45:03.400 Man's mansion. And she said her eyes were bugging out 0:45:03.400 --> 0:45:07.560 and she looked like a maniac. So now we're talking 0:45:07.600 --> 0:45:10.400 to Perry and she's like, it wasn't my idea. I 0:45:10.480 --> 0:45:14.080 was simply following orders, glasgow Man's orders, like she says, 0:45:14.120 --> 0:45:17.240 he comes to me at night, we communicate. He stared 0:45:17.280 --> 0:45:19.520 into my eyes and told me my mission. If I failed, 0:45:19.520 --> 0:45:21.360 he was going to take my breath away at midnight, 0:45:21.360 --> 0:45:23.759 and I had to prove my loyalty. This is all 0:45:23.960 --> 0:45:28.200 very like ya novel type stuff. And she basically said 0:45:28.239 --> 0:45:33.000 her instructions were to take innocent blood, which is Zoe, 0:45:33.120 --> 0:45:35.239 and that's how you get to be a proxy. 0:45:35.680 --> 0:45:38.640 I guess that just means one of glasgow Man's people. 0:45:39.360 --> 0:45:43.480 So when Zoe was lying there bleeding, Perry says, I 0:45:43.480 --> 0:45:46.920 didn't feel glasgow Man's presence. I started to doubt myself 0:45:47.160 --> 0:45:49.120 and that must be why he switched up the plan. 0:45:49.600 --> 0:45:51.719 He led us to this gatehouse in the form of 0:45:51.760 --> 0:45:53.520 a cat. I knew it was him. 0:45:54.200 --> 0:45:57.040 He had Glasgow Man's eyes, and he told her to 0:45:57.200 --> 0:45:58.560 murder mea she. 0:45:58.600 --> 0:46:01.480 Goes, the cat was glad at me so powerfully trying 0:46:01.480 --> 0:46:04.719 to make this hypnotic connection. I couldn't take it, Like, 0:46:04.960 --> 0:46:06.760 I just think the way she's talking as a thirteen 0:46:06.840 --> 0:46:10.040 year old is kind of funny. And then she stabbed 0:46:10.040 --> 0:46:12.400 the cat through the heart because she didn't want to 0:46:12.440 --> 0:46:15.680 kill her friend. The mom is like freaking out. This 0:46:15.719 --> 0:46:19.120 is horny mom. She's like freaking out. I've never heard 0:46:19.160 --> 0:46:21.680 her talk like this before, Like, this isn't my daughter. 0:46:22.719 --> 0:46:26.200 Now we meet Ada Peppa Cox. She says, this girl's 0:46:26.280 --> 0:46:28.239 clearly not competent to stand trial. And then I think, 0:46:28.280 --> 0:46:32.080 what's the key is what Olivia says, which is there 0:46:32.120 --> 0:46:34.480 was no sign of this behavior until she knew we 0:46:34.480 --> 0:46:37.360 were on to her, So like she knows right and 0:46:37.400 --> 0:46:39.520 wrong well enough to have a cover story for this 0:46:39.560 --> 0:46:42.440 Glasgow Man shit, you know. And they're like, well, is 0:46:42.480 --> 0:46:46.800 there any proof of conspiracy emails, texts, like premeditated planning 0:46:46.840 --> 0:46:50.279 of this crime? And they say no, And then They're like, 0:46:50.360 --> 0:46:52.319 we'll order a psychic aal and take it from there. 0:46:52.600 --> 0:46:57.080 And so now we're at family court. H Perry is testifying, 0:46:57.480 --> 0:47:00.720 saying that glasgow Man promised they would in his mansion 0:47:00.719 --> 0:47:03.360 and have a true life, and she said that she 0:47:03.400 --> 0:47:07.360 wouldn't stab her friend, and that her body got hot 0:47:07.640 --> 0:47:09.960 and she could feel her blood swirling inside of her, 0:47:09.960 --> 0:47:12.600 and so she stabbed herself to let the blood cool off, 0:47:13.000 --> 0:47:16.480 which I do think sounds like remember we talked about 0:47:16.520 --> 0:47:19.360 like how that that other crime that kid like stuck 0:47:19.440 --> 0:47:21.239 us stick up the kid's butt to try to like 0:47:21.640 --> 0:47:24.200 get his heart to stop or to start working again. 0:47:24.320 --> 0:47:27.000 Like kids just have crazy ideas. 0:47:26.960 --> 0:47:28.960 Of how the body works, Like I feel hot, I 0:47:29.000 --> 0:47:31.680 should cool off my blood by stabbing myself. 0:47:31.360 --> 0:47:31.960 You know what I mean. 0:47:32.120 --> 0:47:37.440 It's like weird kid, Yeah, kid anatomy. Okay, maybe you'd 0:47:37.440 --> 0:47:38.160 have a comment, but. 0:47:38.640 --> 0:47:40.680 No, I'm on board with everything you're saying. 0:47:42.800 --> 0:47:46.520 So she says, do you know, did you know stabbing 0:47:46.600 --> 0:47:50.960 Zoe was wrong? And she said no, the police were wrong. 0:47:51.080 --> 0:47:55.120 Them entering glasgow Man's realm made the world an unbalanced place, 0:47:55.719 --> 0:47:58.200 and glasgow Man's partners from the other realms are going 0:47:58.280 --> 0:47:59.480 to come back seeking vengeance. 0:47:59.520 --> 0:48:01.399 We're all going to die. I mean, she sounds very 0:48:01.440 --> 0:48:02.759 cute and on to be honest with. 0:48:02.719 --> 0:48:06.839 You, like she's really like, she's really like, you need 0:48:06.880 --> 0:48:09.440 to open your eyes and see what the truth is. 0:48:10.480 --> 0:48:11.319 So the judge has. 0:48:11.200 --> 0:48:13.719 Basically heard enough. She says family court is meant to 0:48:13.760 --> 0:48:16.000 be therapeutic, not punitive. Wouldn't it be cool if that 0:48:16.120 --> 0:48:19.440 was true of all court to be therapeutic or not punitive. 0:48:20.440 --> 0:48:24.520 She rules that Mia was also a victim and declares 0:48:24.520 --> 0:48:28.600 her not responsible, and she recommends, you know, weakly, psychiatric 0:48:28.640 --> 0:48:31.320 care for Mia and Zoe. And then she says, Perry, 0:48:31.320 --> 0:48:33.799 based on your testimony, I'm remanding you to a psychiatric 0:48:33.840 --> 0:48:36.680 facility to remain until you're no longer deemed a threat 0:48:36.719 --> 0:48:39.560 to yourself for others. Rollin's and caries You're headed to 0:48:39.560 --> 0:48:41.839 the elevator after the trial, and they're kind of just 0:48:41.960 --> 0:48:45.200 like arguing over whether justice was served, and Cariese's kind 0:48:45.200 --> 0:48:47.759 of like, I mean, this is good, this is how 0:48:47.800 --> 0:48:48.640 it should have worked. 0:48:48.480 --> 0:48:49.000 Out, you know. 0:48:49.160 --> 0:48:51.640 And then when they get in the elevator, Mia and 0:48:51.680 --> 0:48:55.160 Perry also get in probably not realistic. They get in 0:48:55.200 --> 0:48:57.480 with their parents and like the cop that has Perry 0:48:57.600 --> 0:49:01.400 arrested and everything, and then Chraesy looks down and sees 0:49:01.440 --> 0:49:04.120 these two girls, me and Perry link their little pinky 0:49:04.120 --> 0:49:08.239 fingers together for a couple seconds, and then he's like 0:49:08.440 --> 0:49:11.080 making an incredulous face and he sees that Rollins doesn't 0:49:11.080 --> 0:49:12.879 see it, and he's like, wait a second, and then 0:49:12.880 --> 0:49:13.960 we fade to Dick Wolf. 0:49:14.200 --> 0:49:15.640 So they did trick everyone. 0:49:16.520 --> 0:49:20.120 Yeah, I mean, in my opinion, like this was this 0:49:20.200 --> 0:49:23.560 seemed like a yeah, a story that they set up. 0:49:23.600 --> 0:49:27.239 They nailed it. Yeah, as Nicole Byer says. 0:49:28.800 --> 0:49:32.400 Famously, but let's take a quick break. And then Lee's like, 0:49:32.440 --> 0:49:34.120 can't wait for you to tell me about the real crime. 0:49:47.960 --> 0:49:50.840 Okay, so this real crime. 0:49:51.320 --> 0:49:56.440 What's wild is so much in the episode is exactly 0:49:56.480 --> 0:49:56.960 the crime. 0:49:57.640 --> 0:50:01.040 Like the words ballistic are you used? In this case? 0:50:01.800 --> 0:50:07.080 The stab wound missed the victim's artery by the thickness 0:50:07.080 --> 0:50:11.239 of a hair like half a millimeter, and so that's connected. 0:50:12.520 --> 0:50:14.680 Just there's just a lot of. 0:50:14.680 --> 0:50:18.239 Connections between the case and it happened within the same year, 0:50:18.280 --> 0:50:18.799 and it's like. 0:50:18.800 --> 0:50:21.800 Pretty fucking wild. I love when it gets really close. 0:50:22.680 --> 0:50:26.600 And I will just say, you know, also, like the show, 0:50:26.840 --> 0:50:30.400 the girl does not die, which is amazing, and I 0:50:30.520 --> 0:50:32.879 like that. Now, sorry if you were if you liked 0:50:32.880 --> 0:50:34.960 the suspense if this kid is dead. 0:50:34.840 --> 0:50:36.640 Or not, sorry if you were hanging on waiting for 0:50:36.680 --> 0:50:37.399 a child death. 0:50:39.320 --> 0:50:42.839 But she is alive, which is really happy, which is 0:50:43.239 --> 0:50:46.040 that's not proper, but it's a good thing. So there 0:50:46.120 --> 0:50:50.360 is a slender Man documentary HBO put out in twenty seventeen. 0:50:50.560 --> 0:50:54.400 This case happened in twenty fourteen, and then obviously, so 0:50:54.440 --> 0:50:58.200 the documentary ends before sentencing and all of that stuff, 0:50:58.280 --> 0:51:02.720 and so obviously I have more information. The documentary was awesome, 0:51:02.760 --> 0:51:04.719 and it was actually really really scary, and I would 0:51:04.719 --> 0:51:06.680 watch it at night, and two nights in a row 0:51:06.719 --> 0:51:09.080 I had to plause it and stop and watch The 0:51:09.120 --> 0:51:14.280 Simpsons because Slenderman is fucking scary, Like he is creepy looking. 0:51:15.160 --> 0:51:16.440 I was getting. 0:51:16.600 --> 0:51:21.680 Nervous during my research and this documentary, like I'm gonna 0:51:22.040 --> 0:51:26.120 kind of follow their pattern and the way it was 0:51:26.160 --> 0:51:30.960 basically like current time mixed with the past, so it 0:51:31.080 --> 0:51:35.560 was like you would see them in interrogation, and then 0:51:35.600 --> 0:51:37.520 you would see them in core, and then you would 0:51:37.560 --> 0:51:40.600 see the parents dealing with it as it's happening. So 0:51:40.840 --> 0:51:46.000 like the documentaries, mixed together with their interrogation the day 0:51:46.040 --> 0:51:49.520 it happened, like immediately, and then it cuts to like 0:51:49.880 --> 0:51:52.960 the parents talking about it while their kids are incarcerated, 0:51:53.000 --> 0:51:55.560 and it goes back and forth, and it's it's done 0:51:55.640 --> 0:52:00.319 very well. So I might be going from like six 0:52:00.320 --> 0:52:04.560 months post arrest to exactly what's happening in interrogation, because 0:52:04.719 --> 0:52:08.240 that's just what's up. So if you're confused, that's what's happening. 0:52:08.920 --> 0:52:12.360 So this happened May thirty first, twenty fourteen. This is 0:52:12.400 --> 0:52:17.480 in Waukeshaw, Wisconsin, a suburb of Milwaukee. A twelve year 0:52:17.520 --> 0:52:21.799 old female is stabbed and at nine point fifty in 0:52:21.840 --> 0:52:26.120 the morning, a concerned citizen called the police. Now I 0:52:26.160 --> 0:52:30.040 saw an interview with this concerned citizen on twenty twenty 0:52:30.239 --> 0:52:35.400 and he was bicycling on a roped off course, so 0:52:35.520 --> 0:52:37.880 like he wasn't even supposed to be on this path. 0:52:38.600 --> 0:52:41.040 There was a rope that said do not enter, and 0:52:41.120 --> 0:52:45.239 he was like fuck it and went bicycling, so like 0:52:45.360 --> 0:52:49.799 it's by chance, universal like what the fuck that she 0:52:49.960 --> 0:52:54.720 was even found because he shouldn't have been there, and 0:52:55.239 --> 0:52:58.040 he called the police, and you can even tell the 0:52:58.120 --> 0:53:01.840 dispatcher was like horrified because the guy was like a 0:53:01.920 --> 0:53:05.319 twelve She looks she's twelve and she's been stabbed and 0:53:05.400 --> 0:53:09.880 the operator is like stabbed sat like they like, she can't. 0:53:09.600 --> 0:53:11.640 Even believe it either, So it was wild. 0:53:11.880 --> 0:53:14.320 So then the search begins for the other two girls, 0:53:14.480 --> 0:53:20.000 Anissa where she's a brunette and Morgan geyser blonde. I 0:53:20.080 --> 0:53:22.960 might be calling him brunette and blonde throughout, but it's 0:53:23.000 --> 0:53:25.360 Anissa brunette. 0:53:25.080 --> 0:53:26.240 Morgan blonde. 0:53:26.520 --> 0:53:30.200 And so they're looking for these girls, you know, sky 0:53:30.440 --> 0:53:36.319 and cars, and so the logline of what happened is 0:53:36.920 --> 0:53:40.319 they lured her into the woods and left her for dead. 0:53:40.440 --> 0:53:44.920 They used a five inch blade and stabbed her nineteen times. 0:53:46.960 --> 0:53:51.840 Like fact that Peyton survived is insane. And Peyton is 0:53:51.880 --> 0:53:55.560 also called Bella, so her name is Peyton, but she 0:53:55.600 --> 0:53:58.000 had a nickname and they called her Bella a lot, 0:53:58.080 --> 0:54:00.000 so it's interchangeable. 0:54:00.400 --> 0:54:02.400 That's like what she went by with her friend group. 0:54:02.840 --> 0:54:05.200 And when they asked, who did this to you, she said, 0:54:05.239 --> 0:54:11.280 my best friend. So this isn't a stranger and these 0:54:11.320 --> 0:54:16.319 girls have been best friends for years. And then so 0:54:16.480 --> 0:54:20.799 Morgan and Peyton best friends for years. And then Anissa 0:54:21.520 --> 0:54:25.080 is like Peyton didn't really know her, but Morgan and 0:54:25.120 --> 0:54:28.880 her were very very close, and Anissa had no friends 0:54:29.040 --> 0:54:33.480 at all. She was a dork and Morgan befriended her 0:54:33.520 --> 0:54:35.480 and they became friends, and Anissa was just so happy 0:54:35.480 --> 0:54:37.680 to have a friend. She really didn't get along with 0:54:37.760 --> 0:54:42.960 many people and was a loner and was really desperate 0:54:43.000 --> 0:54:46.000 for friends. And because she didn't have any friends, that's 0:54:46.239 --> 0:54:49.960 why she was so into the Internet and fantasy worlds 0:54:49.960 --> 0:54:53.479 and like the Internet was her friend. And so there's 0:54:53.480 --> 0:54:57.480 a website called Creepy Pasta Wiki, and I guess it 0:54:57.560 --> 0:55:00.520 was really cool. It is just like wild thinking about 0:55:00.600 --> 0:55:03.799 something as silly as creepy Pasta led to a full 0:55:03.880 --> 0:55:08.360 on stabbing, yes, but it is true. And creepy Pasta 0:55:08.719 --> 0:55:11.240 is like scary stories, so people just put really scary 0:55:11.280 --> 0:55:15.040 stories on. And a scary story that became popular is 0:55:15.080 --> 0:55:16.040 called slender Man. 0:55:16.600 --> 0:55:20.280 And he's like a tall, thin man. 0:55:20.960 --> 0:55:27.359 He's a faceless ghoul and basically he's like it's kind 0:55:27.360 --> 0:55:30.239 of like it follows where once he gets you, you 0:55:30.280 --> 0:55:32.880 will never escape him. He will always follow you for 0:55:32.920 --> 0:55:36.200 the rest of your life. You can't summon him. He 0:55:36.400 --> 0:55:38.680 just arrives and then you can't get rid of him, 0:55:39.640 --> 0:55:42.040 and he has tentacles that come out from his back 0:55:42.080 --> 0:55:42.920 and can choke you. 0:55:43.400 --> 0:55:43.600 Yeah. 0:55:43.600 --> 0:55:46.439 I remember when this case came out, like I specifically 0:55:46.680 --> 0:55:50.920 was very interested in it and also when it actually happened. Also, 0:55:51.000 --> 0:55:54.000 my sister's nickname is Creepy, so we were very into. 0:55:54.040 --> 0:55:57.279 We were very into talking about Creepy Pasta and calling 0:55:57.280 --> 0:56:02.240 her Creepy Pasta. But I remember thinking that the images 0:56:02.280 --> 0:56:04.719 were really really freaky, Like when they were posting just 0:56:04.880 --> 0:56:07.279 slender Man stuff on blogs and stuff. 0:56:07.000 --> 0:56:10.400 I was like, like, I just know he is creepy, 0:56:10.560 --> 0:56:13.680 and then it's kind of like in Glasgow Man, where 0:56:13.920 --> 0:56:18.400 he's like bad, but also he is an escape. So 0:56:18.400 --> 0:56:20.920 if you're a kid who hates your life and thinks 0:56:20.960 --> 0:56:24.000 school sucks and you have no friends, you kind of 0:56:24.040 --> 0:56:27.560 want to go with slender Man and escape this sad 0:56:27.600 --> 0:56:31.000 reality I have. So to some they wanted to be 0:56:31.120 --> 0:56:33.839 with slender Man, and then to most I think they 0:56:33.840 --> 0:56:34.879 were scared of him. 0:56:36.000 --> 0:56:37.320 And there's a lot of. 0:56:37.200 --> 0:56:40.760 Like photoshop photos that I can understand why a child 0:56:40.800 --> 0:56:43.360 would be tricked of, like black and white photos with 0:56:43.400 --> 0:56:46.600 slender Man behind a tree in the distance or like away. 0:56:46.680 --> 0:56:49.440 And then people made videos there's tons of videos on 0:56:49.480 --> 0:56:52.480 the site of like kids running with found footage and 0:56:52.520 --> 0:56:56.480 seeing slender Man. So I can imagine someone being like 0:56:56.920 --> 0:56:59.960 I've seen the photos. You know, I don't think it's 0:57:00.120 --> 0:57:04.880 that shocking to for a kid to believe something like this. 0:57:04.960 --> 0:57:06.880 I thought hocus Pocus witches were gonna fly out of 0:57:06.880 --> 0:57:08.600 my toilet every time I flushed it, you know, like 0:57:08.760 --> 0:57:09.480 kids are wild. 0:57:10.800 --> 0:57:13.280 I thought Bob from Twin Peaks lived in my basement. 0:57:13.400 --> 0:57:15.360 So yeah, yeah, for a while, I was scared of 0:57:15.360 --> 0:57:16.960 Batman and I was too scared to go to the 0:57:16.960 --> 0:57:19.120 bathroom and I would pee behind my family. 0:57:18.880 --> 0:57:20.920 Couch and I got in trouble. 0:57:23.680 --> 0:57:26.120 What Yeah, because I was home alone a lot and 0:57:26.160 --> 0:57:28.280 I was just like terrified to go to the bathroom, 0:57:28.360 --> 0:57:31.960 so I would squat behind the couch and pee. I 0:57:32.000 --> 0:57:36.040 mean I was caught, but I would imagine, Yeah, it 0:57:36.280 --> 0:57:38.320 just I was scared of going. 0:57:38.480 --> 0:57:39.080 I was scared. 0:57:39.960 --> 0:57:44.120 Now, so that's like the background. Now our back to reality. 0:57:44.320 --> 0:57:46.919 So we have patents at the hospital and they're looking 0:57:46.960 --> 0:57:49.200 for these girls. And the girls were found walking near 0:57:49.200 --> 0:57:51.800 the interstate and they were on their way to slender 0:57:51.880 --> 0:57:56.120 Man's mansion and like their goal of walking, like I 0:57:56.120 --> 0:57:58.560 don't think they understood distances, and that's what brings them 0:57:58.560 --> 0:58:02.480 back to child because like they committed very heinous crimes 0:58:02.520 --> 0:58:06.720 that were premeditated and very planned out, but they also 0:58:06.800 --> 0:58:09.800 don't understand that the forest they were going they were 0:58:09.800 --> 0:58:12.280 trying to go to is a four to five hour drive. 0:58:12.920 --> 0:58:15.360 Oh my god, they would have been start her. 0:58:16.400 --> 0:58:20.760 Yeah, so like they left her and then started this 0:58:20.920 --> 0:58:23.600 walk that would have taken days. I would say, I mean, 0:58:23.640 --> 0:58:26.000 I don't know about You can do the math problem 0:58:26.000 --> 0:58:26.760 if you really want. 0:58:26.800 --> 0:58:28.120 I don't. I'm not going to do it. 0:58:29.720 --> 0:58:33.720 There's like tons of interrogation videos, and as an SVU watcher, 0:58:33.760 --> 0:58:34.439 I'm just like. 0:58:35.000 --> 0:58:37.640 Shut your mouth, get a lawyer, don't tell them anything. 0:58:37.680 --> 0:58:38.800 They're not on your side. 0:58:39.320 --> 0:58:42.520 But fun fact, in Wisconsin you do not need an 0:58:42.560 --> 0:58:45.080 adult present to interrogate a child. 0:58:45.160 --> 0:58:48.600 Which is crazy because that's part of making a murderer. 0:58:49.080 --> 0:58:52.680 When they when they were interviewing his nephew, who had 0:58:52.720 --> 0:58:56.760 like a very low IQ and probably should definitely have 0:58:56.800 --> 0:58:59.400 had a parent with him, he confessed to all this 0:58:59.440 --> 0:59:02.680 stuff that he's like, that's actually just stuff I. 0:59:02.600 --> 0:59:07.040 Read in the book Kiss the Girls. I read that book. Yeah, 0:59:07.080 --> 0:59:11.800 And so I was a big James Patterson girl. Yeah, 0:59:11.880 --> 0:59:15.080 and so they didn't wait for any parents. They did 0:59:15.120 --> 0:59:19.040 get their miranda rights written to them. But yeah, the 0:59:19.080 --> 0:59:23.600 girls just like confessed everything. They were in separate rooms, obviously. 0:59:24.640 --> 0:59:28.520 But they both said, basically, slender Man made us do this. Well, 0:59:28.520 --> 0:59:29.520 they said a lot of stuff. 0:59:29.520 --> 0:59:33.000 We'll get into everything, but they were very honest and 0:59:33.040 --> 0:59:35.800 it was slender Man, and it seems like they truly 0:59:35.840 --> 0:59:38.320 believe slender Man. So it's like they had to do 0:59:38.360 --> 0:59:39.960 this or slender Man was going to kill them in 0:59:40.000 --> 0:59:43.840 their families and they had to do it for slender Man. 0:59:44.080 --> 0:59:46.480 And then like Morgan said, I didn't want to do this, 0:59:47.200 --> 0:59:50.080 but she was scared what would happen if she didn't. 0:59:50.400 --> 0:59:52.240 That's what they kept saying, so like they had to 0:59:52.280 --> 0:59:54.080 do this to keep their families safe. 0:59:55.200 --> 0:59:56.200 And they asked the. 0:59:56.080 --> 0:59:59.720 Cop like, did you believe the girls when they said 0:59:59.720 --> 1:00:02.640 that the believed in slender Man, And the officers did 1:00:02.680 --> 1:00:07.080 say yes, like these girls fucking believed it. It wasn't 1:00:07.680 --> 1:00:10.760 a cover story or anything like that, like they believed it. 1:00:10.920 --> 1:00:14.560 And yeah, yeah, it's a little bit different in the 1:00:14.680 --> 1:00:17.200 episode because you don't get the feeling that Mia is 1:00:17.280 --> 1:00:20.240 fully on board with the slender man shit at all 1:00:20.320 --> 1:00:21.880 or the Glasgow Man stuff like. 1:00:22.360 --> 1:00:24.800 No into it enough to leave her sister stabbed in 1:00:24.840 --> 1:00:29.960 the woods, but yes, yes for her friend's attention. And 1:00:30.000 --> 1:00:33.920 then in the courtroom in the future, the cop, one 1:00:33.920 --> 1:00:38.800 of the cops that was interrogating, asked if Morgan was remorseful, 1:00:38.800 --> 1:00:41.280 and he says no, like she had no remorse or 1:00:41.280 --> 1:00:44.800 no emotions right all reading that, and then what's like 1:00:44.920 --> 1:00:51.160 hard about this documentary is you see them as young children. Yeah, 1:00:51.200 --> 1:00:53.760 it's just like sad to see a little kid playing 1:00:53.760 --> 1:00:56.680 a colorful xylophone and being a baby with her parents, 1:00:56.800 --> 1:00:58.880 and then all of a sudden you just know that 1:00:58.960 --> 1:01:02.520 she's like stabbing people and it's really hard, and it's 1:01:02.520 --> 1:01:06.160 really hard to watch the parents talk. And so Morgan's 1:01:06.200 --> 1:01:13.120 mom did say that Morgan didn't seem upset when Bambie's 1:01:13.160 --> 1:01:16.200 mom was killed and she knew something was up, so 1:01:16.720 --> 1:01:19.360 like her daughter just didn't react to things like a 1:01:19.400 --> 1:01:23.439 normal child would and it wasn't sad for things and 1:01:23.760 --> 1:01:26.800 didn't really have empathy for like if they were watching 1:01:26.840 --> 1:01:28.760 something and something bad happen to the main character, she 1:01:28.840 --> 1:01:32.240 had no empathy for them. And the mom also said 1:01:32.280 --> 1:01:35.240 she knew that Morgan was into Slenderman, but didn't think 1:01:35.280 --> 1:01:39.400 anything of it, like kids like scary stories, who cares 1:01:39.440 --> 1:01:43.320 like she never imagined her child thought that it was real. 1:01:44.800 --> 1:01:47.600 She just was like, Okay, I was into horror stuff. 1:01:47.640 --> 1:01:49.640 I like to read it when I was a kid, 1:01:50.000 --> 1:01:54.760 So why would I be nervous about this? And then 1:01:54.760 --> 1:01:57.720 Anissa was in the choir. She had a cat pink 1:01:57.800 --> 1:02:03.240 bedroom like all stuh. So, Morgan and sa are both 1:02:03.320 --> 1:02:07.560 charged with attempted first degree murder, and Wisconsin law says 1:02:07.600 --> 1:02:09.840 they must be tried as adults and they face up 1:02:09.880 --> 1:02:14.240 to sixty five years, which is so scary. So their 1:02:14.320 --> 1:02:18.000 lawyers obviously are arguing that they should be tried as children. 1:02:18.720 --> 1:02:21.160 What I wonder, what makes it that they have to 1:02:21.160 --> 1:02:22.840 be charged as adults? 1:02:23.160 --> 1:02:24.440 The nature of the crime. 1:02:24.520 --> 1:02:28.240 I guess I think so because I'll be honest, like 1:02:28.360 --> 1:02:30.520 throughout this whole thing, I know what happens to them. 1:02:30.720 --> 1:02:33.160 And we talked about it and it was very much like, 1:02:33.200 --> 1:02:35.480 this is bullshit. This is bullshit, Like they should not 1:02:35.760 --> 1:02:38.040 have to sit in jail for decades and decades for 1:02:38.160 --> 1:02:40.760 something they did at twelve. But later and I'll go 1:02:40.800 --> 1:02:45.000 into it when the judge is explaining why. I understand 1:02:45.040 --> 1:02:49.360 where he's coming from. I still feel sad for everyone involved. 1:02:49.680 --> 1:02:55.080 But I also watched interviews with like with Peyton, and 1:02:55.920 --> 1:02:59.720 it scarred her for life emotionally, mentally, and physically. 1:03:00.200 --> 1:03:01.800 Like there's just a lot. 1:03:01.920 --> 1:03:05.640 But the judge basically was saying, like it's it was premeditated, 1:03:05.720 --> 1:03:08.920 this was thought out, and we. 1:03:08.960 --> 1:03:11.080 Have to think of the safety of people. 1:03:11.160 --> 1:03:14.280 We can't guarantee the safety of others with these people 1:03:14.320 --> 1:03:17.480 out in the world. And can I just ask one 1:03:17.560 --> 1:03:20.480 quick question, Yeah, did they did they take turn stabbing 1:03:20.600 --> 1:03:23.240 or did one person do the stabbing? No, one person 1:03:23.280 --> 1:03:26.680 did so Anisa was like the ringleader in a way, 1:03:26.920 --> 1:03:30.919 but made Morgan do the stabbing. Oh, like she said 1:03:30.960 --> 1:03:35.240 the word and went now and then Morgan legit whispered 1:03:35.280 --> 1:03:39.680 into Peyton's ear, I'm so sorry, like she didn't want 1:03:39.720 --> 1:03:44.000 to do this and then just started stabbing her. I 1:03:44.000 --> 1:03:46.560 guess I don't know why. I'm like, there are I 1:03:46.560 --> 1:03:49.240 don't know why. I'm like keeping tidbits. We find out 1:03:49.920 --> 1:03:55.680 Morgan does suffer from schizophrenia, and so does her father. Yeah, 1:03:56.080 --> 1:04:01.080 so to her too, obviously the schizophrenia to why she 1:04:01.240 --> 1:04:07.640 believed this so intensely, and the father was like crying, 1:04:07.680 --> 1:04:10.040 he's so sad. And basically they were going to talk 1:04:10.120 --> 1:04:14.920 to Morgan eventually about schizophrenia, and like there was a risk, 1:04:15.320 --> 1:04:16.880 and the mom talks about it. Of course there was 1:04:16.960 --> 1:04:21.320 a risk because it is genetically passed down. But the father, hand, 1:04:21.800 --> 1:04:24.120 I don't know if has a handle on it, you 1:04:24.160 --> 1:04:24.720 know what I mean. 1:04:24.800 --> 1:04:27.760 Like he he was crying talking about it. 1:04:27.760 --> 1:04:29.640 It's hard for him, but he was a functioning member 1:04:29.640 --> 1:04:32.000 of society and he was able. He goes, it's really 1:04:32.040 --> 1:04:33.920 hard because you know it's not real. You know, the 1:04:33.960 --> 1:04:36.240 devil is not in the backseat of your car, but 1:04:36.360 --> 1:04:38.760 it is real and you sense him and you feel 1:04:38.840 --> 1:04:42.920 him and you're scared. He goes, it's scary, and so 1:04:43.040 --> 1:04:45.160 you know it's not real, but you can't help but 1:04:45.360 --> 1:04:49.160 feel the fear and the real life reactions to it. 1:04:49.800 --> 1:04:51.480 And the father is just crying a lot. 1:04:51.520 --> 1:04:54.439 And unfortunately Morgan never talked about it, so they didn't 1:04:54.440 --> 1:04:56.600 even know she was suffering for it from it, and 1:04:56.680 --> 1:05:00.000 so it is really sad. And she talks about how 1:05:00.120 --> 1:05:03.000 she's had visions since she was three years old and 1:05:03.040 --> 1:05:06.480 she didn't talk about it with anybody, so like and 1:05:06.560 --> 1:05:10.120 now when she's incarcerated, the parents can't really discuss it 1:05:10.160 --> 1:05:12.920 with her either, and so they're really sad about it. 1:05:13.000 --> 1:05:19.600 But yeah, the schizophrenia definitely added to the believability. So 1:05:20.000 --> 1:05:23.280 they stabbed her a bunch, and then Peyton got up 1:05:23.720 --> 1:05:26.520 and was trying to walk to the main road and 1:05:26.560 --> 1:05:30.560 they said, no, laid down, it'll slow down the release 1:05:30.600 --> 1:05:33.360 of blood and will go get help. But they had 1:05:33.400 --> 1:05:36.800 no intention of getting help. So their intention was. 1:05:36.760 --> 1:05:39.240 To leave her dead in the woods, yea. 1:05:39.560 --> 1:05:45.120 And that that's intent and lying and manipulative, and they 1:05:45.120 --> 1:05:46.920 were going to leave her and not help her. And 1:05:47.000 --> 1:05:49.400 so it's like even after the fact, they weren't going 1:05:49.480 --> 1:05:50.520 to help her, and. 1:05:50.440 --> 1:05:53.440 So I understand why the judge is like, nah. 1:05:53.200 --> 1:05:56.439 Sorry, yeah, you know that makes sense. Yeah, you don't 1:05:56.440 --> 1:06:00.160 get to be released. But I obviously understand why the 1:06:00.200 --> 1:06:01.760 defense attorneys were gunning for that. 1:06:01.800 --> 1:06:02.760 And that was like a year. 1:06:02.880 --> 1:06:06.760 So the case to just like appeal if they're charged 1:06:06.800 --> 1:06:09.760 as adults or not was a whole year, and then 1:06:09.800 --> 1:06:14.160 they were going to be tried at all. And this 1:06:14.240 --> 1:06:17.520 is kind of, you know, a coincidence, because I'm a 1:06:17.560 --> 1:06:21.200 step getter. But Anissa ask the cops if they know 1:06:21.240 --> 1:06:24.280 how far she walked because she's usually not an athletic, 1:06:24.360 --> 1:06:27.800 but wants to know her step count. So that was 1:06:27.840 --> 1:06:32.440 like a little moment of funny in this horrific sadness. 1:06:32.480 --> 1:06:35.840 But I liked that she wanted to count her steps. 1:06:37.160 --> 1:06:40.840 So outside of adult or child, the next issue in 1:06:40.880 --> 1:06:43.760 court is competency and we see that in the episode 1:06:43.760 --> 1:06:47.120 with Pippa Cocks, like can these kids even are they 1:06:47.200 --> 1:06:51.480 sane enough to stand trial? So going a little bit backwards, 1:06:51.520 --> 1:06:53.200 like I said, you know, I'm going to go back 1:06:53.240 --> 1:06:55.680 and forth through things, is like how the doc went, 1:06:55.800 --> 1:06:58.240 and then I have other resources I'm putting in here, 1:06:58.280 --> 1:07:01.720 but I'm just going in the order. And so basically 1:07:01.760 --> 1:07:03.840 how they all hung out, as a niece's parents say, 1:07:03.880 --> 1:07:07.880 there was like a sleepover from Morgan's twelfth birthday. They 1:07:07.880 --> 1:07:12.440 had an amazing sleepover. They had a fun breakfast altogether, 1:07:13.200 --> 1:07:15.360 and then the girls asked to go to the park. 1:07:16.240 --> 1:07:19.760 Nothing is strange here, you know, it's everything is up 1:07:19.760 --> 1:07:22.360 to code. They are best friends. They're going to the park, 1:07:22.800 --> 1:07:24.720 and then they were going to do it. They go 1:07:24.800 --> 1:07:26.640 to the bathroom and the plan was to do it 1:07:26.680 --> 1:07:31.000 in the bathroom first and have the blood drain into 1:07:31.080 --> 1:07:33.400 the sink, like that's the that's why the judge was like, 1:07:33.480 --> 1:07:36.720 you're this is you thought out Like they had all 1:07:36.800 --> 1:07:39.200 they had so many plans of like how to leave 1:07:39.240 --> 1:07:41.400 the body, how not to get caught, like all this stuff, 1:07:41.680 --> 1:07:43.680 and then it didn't work out in the bathroom and 1:07:43.680 --> 1:07:45.440 then they're like, let's go to the woods, and then 1:07:45.480 --> 1:07:47.800 that's like when it happened. But they like in the 1:07:47.800 --> 1:07:50.160 interview with Peyton, she's like, yeah, we went to the 1:07:50.200 --> 1:07:51.960 park like whatever, you know. 1:07:51.960 --> 1:07:56.040 Like nothing was, no red flags, no red flags. 1:07:56.400 --> 1:07:58.840 And Morgan was saying that a Nissa said we had 1:07:58.880 --> 1:08:01.120 to do this or he would our slender Man would 1:08:01.160 --> 1:08:04.200 kill our families, and like she didn't know that much 1:08:04.200 --> 1:08:07.880 about Slenderman, but Anissa did. And so when you add 1:08:08.360 --> 1:08:14.480 Anissa's fascination with slender Man with Morgan's schizophrenia, that's a 1:08:14.520 --> 1:08:15.520 recipe for disaster. 1:08:15.800 --> 1:08:17.880 Yeah, because it sounds like neither of them. 1:08:18.080 --> 1:08:19.680 It sounds like they were both in a way a 1:08:19.720 --> 1:08:21.760 little bit out of touch with reality in terms of 1:08:21.760 --> 1:08:26.600 what a death actually means, like or like taking someone's life. 1:08:26.920 --> 1:08:30.080 Morgan's mom was saying how Morgan like believed in Santa 1:08:30.240 --> 1:08:32.960 till she was eleven and like the Easter Bonnie and 1:08:33.000 --> 1:08:33.400 all of that. 1:08:33.400 --> 1:08:35.880 That's what I'm saying, Like I don't think that there's 1:08:35.880 --> 1:08:39.720 necessarily like normal like not normal, but I don't think 1:08:39.760 --> 1:08:43.880 there's like typical development going on with ideas and concepts 1:08:43.920 --> 1:08:45.920 with these girls or at least or maybe at least 1:08:45.920 --> 1:08:49.400 with Morgan, like where ye like to stay sorry to 1:08:49.439 --> 1:08:51.800 someone and then stab them. It's like implies that you 1:08:51.800 --> 1:08:57.040 don't really understand how your how your actions are creator 1:08:57.240 --> 1:08:58.479 having an effect on someone. 1:08:59.240 --> 1:09:03.360 So Richard Fuckins was explaining how, like what's the benefit 1:09:03.400 --> 1:09:07.280 of being a believer, And it's like it's the feeling 1:09:07.280 --> 1:09:09.320 that you're special and you're a part of something just 1:09:09.360 --> 1:09:11.080 by believing it, Like you don't even have to put 1:09:11.080 --> 1:09:13.320 in that much effort, Like suddenly you're in this group 1:09:13.400 --> 1:09:15.040 of people just because you believe. 1:09:14.760 --> 1:09:17.400 In slender Man, right, and for people who have not 1:09:17.520 --> 1:09:20.360 found their people or not found that in their life, 1:09:20.439 --> 1:09:21.640 that's huge. 1:09:21.479 --> 1:09:21.680 You know. 1:09:22.280 --> 1:09:25.160 Yeah, And the whole thing he was explaining it's behind 1:09:25.240 --> 1:09:27.840 folk belief is you can't prove without a shadow of 1:09:27.840 --> 1:09:31.640 a doubt that slender Man isn't real, So like you 1:09:31.680 --> 1:09:34.160 can't and that's like with God, like you can't prove 1:09:34.240 --> 1:09:36.479 he's not real, so then that proves that he is 1:09:36.560 --> 1:09:38.560 or whatever, like if you know, without a shadow of 1:09:38.560 --> 1:09:41.519 a doubt. So that's how like folk beliefs grow, Like 1:09:41.560 --> 1:09:43.639 we can't judge these girls when people go to church 1:09:43.640 --> 1:09:48.879 every Sunday. Like, sorry, there were crusades, there were burnt witches, 1:09:49.160 --> 1:09:51.280 like it happens all the time. 1:09:52.160 --> 1:09:53.799 Okay, so we'll get into the details. 1:09:53.840 --> 1:09:56.920 So on the stand during the trial was Michael, doctor 1:09:56.960 --> 1:10:01.760 Michael Calwell, a psychologist, and he gave them also he 1:10:01.880 --> 1:10:07.519 said that the girls they had schizo toopy. It took 1:10:07.600 --> 1:10:10.879 me a lot of pausing and Google it and like even. 1:10:10.720 --> 1:10:12.679 Google was like, we don't know what you're trying to say. 1:10:12.760 --> 1:10:15.720 We cannot help you. So what is schizot to be? 1:10:16.160 --> 1:10:19.639 It is the diminished capacity to know the difference between 1:10:19.640 --> 1:10:23.680 what is real and not real. Yeah, it's a personality 1:10:23.720 --> 1:10:27.760 disorder characterized by thought disorder, paranoia, and a form of 1:10:27.800 --> 1:10:35.599 social anxiety derealization. Yeah, psychosis, and uh, that's what it is. 1:10:35.840 --> 1:10:39.000 And people with this feel pronounced discomfort when forming and 1:10:39.040 --> 1:10:43.080 maintaining social connections with other people. And it's very common 1:10:43.120 --> 1:10:45.480 for these types of people to be into the paranormal 1:10:45.680 --> 1:10:49.400 and like have a lot of superstitious beliefs, and adults 1:10:49.400 --> 1:10:52.640 can have spiritual like I mentioned, like you can have 1:10:53.200 --> 1:10:56.160 you can be spiritual or believe in all these conspiracy 1:10:56.200 --> 1:10:57.160 theories and live. 1:10:57.000 --> 1:10:58.640 Out your lives with no problems. 1:10:59.280 --> 1:11:03.280 So he doesn't think Anissa is a psychopath or sociopath 1:11:03.320 --> 1:11:06.000 at all and has no signs of it. So we 1:11:06.080 --> 1:11:11.240 get to Morgan diagnoses and doctor Kenneth Kasimir is giving 1:11:11.280 --> 1:11:15.880 it up and it's schizophrenia and oppositional defiant disorder and 1:11:15.920 --> 1:11:18.080 she had asthma, which I don't know why they needed 1:11:18.080 --> 1:11:21.960 to add that on the stand, but cool. Also during 1:11:22.000 --> 1:11:26.519 the trial, Morgan still seemed really scared of slender Man, 1:11:27.280 --> 1:11:31.840 Like she was scared that something she would say would 1:11:31.880 --> 1:11:34.040 make him angry and he would kill her and her family. 1:11:34.280 --> 1:11:38.840 So like even in court, she was terrified of this guy. 1:11:39.280 --> 1:11:42.200 So like nothing that anybody is saying to her is 1:11:42.240 --> 1:11:43.920 getting through to her that this is not real. 1:11:44.840 --> 1:11:48.840 Yeah, and that's the thing where I think the mom 1:11:48.960 --> 1:11:52.920 was explaining she does think Morgan understands no one else 1:11:53.000 --> 1:11:57.519 sees what she sees, like her visions, but they are 1:11:57.600 --> 1:12:00.200 real to her, but she is aware enough to know 1:12:01.479 --> 1:12:05.000 it other people aren't seeing it, So I don't know 1:12:05.000 --> 1:12:07.559 if that's good or bad, but it is what it is. 1:12:09.200 --> 1:12:11.599 And then we uh in the doc get to talk 1:12:11.640 --> 1:12:15.800 to David Janish and he's a private investigator and he 1:12:16.000 --> 1:12:20.839 searched her room and in the bedroom he found journals 1:12:20.840 --> 1:12:24.240 and pieces of papers with drawings and writing all pertaining 1:12:24.280 --> 1:12:27.760 to slender Man, like drawings that said he will find you, 1:12:29.080 --> 1:12:32.000 colored pencils that like it's just said no, no, no, no, no, 1:12:32.080 --> 1:12:35.040 over and over again with drawings of slender Man. She 1:12:35.160 --> 1:12:37.880 had things that said the pain is inside, I want 1:12:37.920 --> 1:12:41.320 to die, Help me escape my mind. She had like 1:12:41.400 --> 1:12:45.639 satanic barbies with pentagrams on it and like would cut 1:12:45.680 --> 1:12:48.800 off its limbs, so like hands and feet were cut off. 1:12:49.840 --> 1:12:52.400 And that was all found in her bedroom. 1:12:53.040 --> 1:12:58.080 Okay, And if you ask Morgan, like what if slender 1:12:58.120 --> 1:13:01.480 Man doesn't exist, she does not tell that kind of discussion. 1:13:02.000 --> 1:13:04.599 She knows it is true. It can't be proven untrue, 1:13:04.720 --> 1:13:10.440 go fuck yourself, So she is not willing to discuss 1:13:10.920 --> 1:13:14.960 like maybe if slender Man is not real. And then 1:13:15.000 --> 1:13:19.760 a corrections officer actually testifies during this as well, and 1:13:19.800 --> 1:13:24.400 she said that Morgan, while incarcerated and juvenile detention, said 1:13:24.400 --> 1:13:28.479 it had to be done. The man ordered it, She said. 1:13:28.520 --> 1:13:30.639 The man started to visit her when she was three 1:13:30.680 --> 1:13:35.720 years old. She believed she communicated with him telepathically and 1:13:35.800 --> 1:13:37.960 she had to do what he demanded to her or 1:13:38.120 --> 1:13:39.479 her family wouldn't be safe. 1:13:40.160 --> 1:13:43.000 Now, this is Morgan, But I thought that Anissa was 1:13:43.040 --> 1:13:47.000 more into slender Man. That's what was said towards the beginning. 1:13:47.080 --> 1:13:49.080 I mean, that's kind of the thing where they were 1:13:49.120 --> 1:13:52.879 both pretty honest during the interrogations, but then there. 1:13:52.680 --> 1:13:54.640 Were these moments of like she wanted it more, no, 1:13:54.760 --> 1:13:56.040 she told me what to do that. 1:13:56.320 --> 1:13:59.000 So, yeah, and it sounds like Morgan may have just 1:13:59.080 --> 1:14:03.280 been having visual hallucinations like her whole life, like from 1:14:03.320 --> 1:14:04.720 the age of three, and then like when you heard 1:14:04.720 --> 1:14:05.760 about Slenderman. 1:14:05.439 --> 1:14:06.599 She's like, oh, that's who this is. 1:14:06.760 --> 1:14:09.799 Like that, you know, just seeing some kind of figure 1:14:09.880 --> 1:14:11.800 your whole life and then kind of just melding it 1:14:11.840 --> 1:14:14.160 together with this new thing you're learning about. 1:14:14.640 --> 1:14:21.720 Yeah, it definitely took over her life. And then there again. 1:14:21.479 --> 1:14:24.000 This is like I get like how the two girls 1:14:24.080 --> 1:14:27.320 stories differ a little. Anissa said that after they did 1:14:27.360 --> 1:14:30.479 it that she cried and said, I want to go home. 1:14:30.600 --> 1:14:32.840 And then Morgan said you can't tell anyone because you'll 1:14:32.840 --> 1:14:36.360 spend your life in prison or get executed, and then 1:14:36.439 --> 1:14:39.400 blamed Morgan for everything and said you will. You stabbed her, 1:14:39.479 --> 1:14:42.680 you wanted this, And Morgan's aware of what's happening, like 1:14:42.680 --> 1:14:45.080 in interrogation she does ask the officer are you going 1:14:45.080 --> 1:14:45.920 to put me in prison? 1:14:46.000 --> 1:14:47.599 And am I going to rot and die? 1:14:48.120 --> 1:14:50.800 And then on Anissa's phone there was a goodbye letter 1:14:51.439 --> 1:14:54.080 like please don't remember me for this and like just 1:14:54.400 --> 1:14:57.400 kind of suicide style letter. But I don't know if 1:14:57.400 --> 1:14:58.640 it's because she knew she was going to go to 1:14:58.720 --> 1:15:01.519 jail and it was like please forgive me by peace out, 1:15:01.560 --> 1:15:03.240 I'm going to jail or suicide. 1:15:03.320 --> 1:15:05.519 It does sort of sound like they didn't want to. 1:15:05.600 --> 1:15:08.360 It's like they had to, like or you know, they 1:15:08.360 --> 1:15:10.320 were scared of what this man was going to do. 1:15:11.320 --> 1:15:13.400 Yeah, you're right, I don't Yeah, they didn't have bloodlust, 1:15:13.560 --> 1:15:17.240 like I don't think they but but they are dangerous, 1:15:17.280 --> 1:15:19.720 Like I wouldn't want to live in the neighborhood with 1:15:19.840 --> 1:15:21.280 these girls for sure. 1:15:21.720 --> 1:15:24.599 But it's just it's interesting that they're not just like, yeah, 1:15:24.680 --> 1:15:26.080 what would it be like to kill someone? 1:15:26.120 --> 1:15:27.080 They're just like, well, this is the. 1:15:27.120 --> 1:15:29.400 Order we were given from our Supreme Master, and we 1:15:29.479 --> 1:15:31.080 have to do it or he'll kill our whole family, 1:15:31.240 --> 1:15:31.439 you know. 1:15:32.600 --> 1:15:32.920 Yeah. 1:15:32.960 --> 1:15:34.720 And so it took a like I said, it took 1:15:34.760 --> 1:15:36.400 a year to decide if they were going to be 1:15:36.520 --> 1:15:39.479 tried as adults and children, and we touched on this already. 1:15:39.520 --> 1:15:42.519 But the judge in the court basically finds that it 1:15:42.640 --> 1:15:47.200 was violent, premeditated personal offense and a decision made to 1:15:47.320 --> 1:15:52.320 let the victim die. It was an effort to kill someone, 1:15:52.680 --> 1:15:55.439 not attempted like a mistake. This wasn't Oh I pushed 1:15:55.479 --> 1:15:59.200 them and they fell down the stairs. They made an 1:15:59.280 --> 1:16:02.679 effort to someone And he said, I know they're young, 1:16:02.800 --> 1:16:05.120 but they will get older every year. And what do 1:16:05.160 --> 1:16:07.360 you do when they're eighteen to keep the public safe? 1:16:07.760 --> 1:16:10.720 And that was the critical factor in the judge. The 1:16:10.760 --> 1:16:13.639 offense was so vicious and there needs to be assurance 1:16:13.680 --> 1:16:16.439 it won't happen again, and it is a serious offense 1:16:16.600 --> 1:16:19.120 that is needs to be dealt with on a serious 1:16:19.160 --> 1:16:22.680 basis for protections for all. But I don't like that 1:16:22.680 --> 1:16:25.519 they're charged as adults. It's really hard, Like I don't 1:16:26.040 --> 1:16:27.479 I see it, I feel it. 1:16:27.560 --> 1:16:31.639 I'm like fuck yeah, Judge, And then I'm like damn, 1:16:32.560 --> 1:16:33.080 I don't know. 1:16:34.080 --> 1:16:36.160 Yeah, because when we were talking about it, before all 1:16:36.200 --> 1:16:39.080 the research and all of this, we did talk like. 1:16:39.479 --> 1:16:42.559 Come on, why so long the girl lived? Who cares? 1:16:42.600 --> 1:16:46.280 You know, Like no, yeah, I mean not necessarily now, 1:16:46.320 --> 1:16:49.240 but like you know, the girl did live, and they 1:16:49.240 --> 1:16:51.519 were so young. I mean, like to me, it's like 1:16:51.600 --> 1:16:55.360 there's a big difference between like twelve and like sixteen 1:16:55.439 --> 1:16:59.000 or seventeen, Like that's still under eighteen, but you're like more. 1:16:58.920 --> 1:17:01.360 Mature, and like, I don't know, twelve is like still 1:17:01.439 --> 1:17:02.640 so just a kid to me. 1:17:04.040 --> 1:17:06.439 Yeah, like what if like they might have not even 1:17:06.479 --> 1:17:07.400 had their periods? 1:17:07.520 --> 1:17:10.759 Like yai right, but that guy. 1:17:11.080 --> 1:17:14.400 The case with the episode of With Conscience, he got 1:17:14.439 --> 1:17:18.400 life right, Yeah, he keeps getting paroled, but he keeps 1:17:18.400 --> 1:17:20.799 getting parole opportunities but didn't being denied. 1:17:21.439 --> 1:17:22.439 And he was young. 1:17:22.680 --> 1:17:25.519 Yeah, he was really young. And he's forty in his 1:17:25.600 --> 1:17:27.120 forties now and still in prison. 1:17:27.560 --> 1:17:29.800 What chucking to me is that the person has like 1:17:29.840 --> 1:17:34.360 a mental health diagnosis and is still being sort of 1:17:35.000 --> 1:17:38.360 kept for so long like that it's like she wasn't 1:17:38.400 --> 1:17:39.680 being treated at the time. 1:17:39.840 --> 1:17:42.360 So it's like now that she could be treated. That's 1:17:42.360 --> 1:17:43.240 a really good point. 1:17:43.280 --> 1:17:49.040 And they, like Morgan pleaded guilty and then the court 1:17:49.160 --> 1:17:53.040 found her not guilty because of reason of mental disease 1:17:53.120 --> 1:17:57.480 or defect, and she is put in a mental institution 1:17:58.680 --> 1:18:02.559 for forty years. So in terms of getting care, it's 1:18:02.560 --> 1:18:06.759 not a prison, Like, she's getting care, but it doesn't 1:18:06.920 --> 1:18:08.679 change anything. 1:18:08.720 --> 1:18:10.880 I was also reading that she was the youngest person 1:18:10.920 --> 1:18:13.200 in her facility, and I can't imagine that that's like 1:18:13.240 --> 1:18:14.120 an easy road. 1:18:14.680 --> 1:18:17.679 No. Well, now I'm just thinking about it in terms 1:18:17.720 --> 1:18:19.519 of Orange as the New Black, and like, I hope 1:18:19.560 --> 1:18:20.080 the women. 1:18:19.960 --> 1:18:22.479 Are taking care of her, or is it? But they're 1:18:22.520 --> 1:18:25.439 in June until eighteen? Oh was that how it was? 1:18:25.479 --> 1:18:28.000 They were in juvenile detention until eighteen and then they 1:18:28.000 --> 1:18:29.320 were moved to mental facility. 1:18:29.680 --> 1:18:33.400 No, no, like Morgan was being held at a state 1:18:33.439 --> 1:18:36.519 hospital and Anissa remained in custody at the County Jail 1:18:36.520 --> 1:18:37.360 for juveniles. 1:18:37.800 --> 1:18:39.639 Oh, like, they're not just putting a. 1:18:39.560 --> 1:18:43.639 Twelve year old in with like hardened right like fift 1:18:43.640 --> 1:18:47.479 twenty five year olds. But and then Anissa got twenty 1:18:47.479 --> 1:18:52.400 five years and eligible for release in twenty twenty. She 1:18:52.680 --> 1:18:57.200 was denied, but she can appeal again in June, and 1:18:57.240 --> 1:18:59.920 Anissa was charged as an adult with an attempted first 1:19:00.080 --> 1:19:04.519 degree intentional homicide in June twenty fourteen, but as part 1:19:04.560 --> 1:19:07.320 of her plea, the court lowered the charge to attempted 1:19:07.400 --> 1:19:12.720 second degree intentional homicide and took her insanity defense to 1:19:12.800 --> 1:19:15.519 the jury. And she's been in the Winnebago Mental Health 1:19:15.560 --> 1:19:20.080 Institute since she was sentenced in December twenty seventeen. Bella 1:19:20.160 --> 1:19:23.120 on twenty twenty said she's not scared of their eventual release, 1:19:23.600 --> 1:19:26.080 but she does sleep with a pair of broken scissors 1:19:26.200 --> 1:19:27.840 under her pillow just in case. 1:19:28.360 --> 1:19:30.639 I'm just happy Peyton is alive and doing okay. 1:19:30.800 --> 1:19:36.519 Yes, Bella, truly a miracle that she is alive. 1:19:36.760 --> 1:19:40.720 Yeah, thank god for that off road bicyclist. Like the 1:19:40.840 --> 1:19:45.599 knife cut the tissue of her heart but not the artery. 1:19:46.040 --> 1:19:46.519 Wow. 1:19:49.080 --> 1:19:52.200 All right, well, let's let that sink in and take 1:19:52.200 --> 1:20:01.440 a little break and we'll be back with our guests. Okay, 1:20:01.760 --> 1:20:04.559 now it is time to talk to our very special guests. 1:20:04.600 --> 1:20:08.000 We were so happy to talk to this actor. You 1:20:08.040 --> 1:20:11.640 guys have seen her on tons of shows, Criminal Minds, Parenthood, 1:20:11.720 --> 1:20:14.960 Chicago med. She also has played the role of Katie 1:20:14.960 --> 1:20:18.559 in three of the paranormal Activity movies Spooky and she 1:20:18.720 --> 1:20:23.920 played the creepy Glasgow man devote Herself Perry Gilbert. Please 1:20:24.160 --> 1:20:26.679 check out our chat with Chloe Changrey. 1:20:27.120 --> 1:20:28.559 So wait, so where are you are you? 1:20:29.240 --> 1:20:32.559 I'm actually in California, so I'm originally from Houston, but 1:20:32.680 --> 1:20:33.640 I go to college out here. 1:20:33.720 --> 1:20:34.400 So I'm in my. 1:20:34.520 --> 1:20:36.920 Little apartment in north Ridge, California. 1:20:37.520 --> 1:20:40.240 Were you living in Houston and then sending tapes or 1:20:40.240 --> 1:20:43.400 were you moving around sending audition Like how did your 1:20:43.439 --> 1:20:44.439 early career work? 1:20:45.360 --> 1:20:47.719 So I started traveling to LA when I was around 1:20:47.800 --> 1:20:50.559 nine years old with my mom, but most of the 1:20:50.560 --> 1:20:52.479 time we would just come to LA for three months 1:20:52.479 --> 1:20:54.040 at a time and then go back to Texas. So 1:20:54.080 --> 1:20:55.920 when I auditioned for Law and Order, I was in 1:20:56.040 --> 1:20:58.040 Houston and I sent in a self tape for it. 1:20:58.560 --> 1:21:01.960 Wow, you were young, so I'm assuming you never watched it. 1:21:02.439 --> 1:21:05.160 I was when I auditioned for that. I was a 1:21:05.160 --> 1:21:07.240 freshman in high school, so I was fourteen years old. 1:21:07.760 --> 1:21:10.280 So yeah, Like we get some listeners that are like, 1:21:10.280 --> 1:21:11.960 I've been watching the show since I was ten, but 1:21:12.000 --> 1:21:12.880 it was a little young. 1:21:13.080 --> 1:21:15.240 Like did you ever watch the show before you? 1:21:15.840 --> 1:21:16.120 Uh? 1:21:16.360 --> 1:21:16.880 Were on it. 1:21:17.360 --> 1:21:21.479 I had not, But my dad is the biggest st 1:21:21.840 --> 1:21:23.920 fan in the whole entire life. 1:21:24.160 --> 1:21:25.080 Love it's your dad. 1:21:25.320 --> 1:21:27.320 He's a little he's a dentist in my small town. 1:21:27.400 --> 1:21:29.519 So when I booked the role, my mom usually goes 1:21:29.520 --> 1:21:30.800 with me on step but my dad was like, I 1:21:30.800 --> 1:21:32.160 am taking two weeks off work. 1:21:32.280 --> 1:21:34.200 I am going to New York. I am going with 1:21:34.280 --> 1:21:35.160 Chloe for this one. 1:21:35.400 --> 1:21:36.920 Oh my god, I love it. He's like, let him 1:21:36.960 --> 1:21:40.080 get cavities. I'm going to meet him exactly. I love it. 1:21:40.240 --> 1:21:42.800 That's so funny. So was he geeking out on set? 1:21:42.880 --> 1:21:44.160 What was his experience? 1:21:44.280 --> 1:21:47.840 Like, Oh my god, he was fan going so hard. 1:21:47.920 --> 1:21:51.160 He was absolutely in love with the whole experience, trying 1:21:51.200 --> 1:21:52.320 to talk to every single person. 1:21:52.320 --> 1:21:54.080 I'm like, Dad, I'm on set. 1:21:54.040 --> 1:21:56.040 Like You're like, Dad, leave ice tea alone. 1:21:56.400 --> 1:21:58.080 Yeah, he was like, can I have a photo? Oh 1:21:58.080 --> 1:21:59.960 my god, can I have a photo? My dad? 1:22:00.080 --> 1:22:05.599 Please go? That is so funny. I love that. So 1:22:05.720 --> 1:22:07.559 tell like what was the general vibe on set? 1:22:07.600 --> 1:22:10.120 Like you were so young, like, and we were talking 1:22:10.160 --> 1:22:12.800 about how normally when a guest star comes on, they're 1:22:12.880 --> 1:22:15.360 usually like alone or maybe there's another guest star, but 1:22:15.439 --> 1:22:17.080 like you were on with like these two other girls 1:22:17.120 --> 1:22:18.280 that were like your age. 1:22:18.600 --> 1:22:21.479 Did you guys all get along? Did you do you 1:22:21.520 --> 1:22:22.120 keep in touch? 1:22:22.439 --> 1:22:22.639 Oh? 1:22:22.680 --> 1:22:23.040 We do? 1:22:23.120 --> 1:22:23.360 Yeah. 1:22:23.400 --> 1:22:26.200 I actually still met Mina and Una still follow each 1:22:26.200 --> 1:22:30.320 other on Instagram, but we all became super close doing filming. 1:22:30.439 --> 1:22:32.000 And I had never been to New York. It was 1:22:32.040 --> 1:22:34.280 my first time there, and Mina and Una are both 1:22:34.320 --> 1:22:37.840 from New York. So on I think our second day 1:22:37.840 --> 1:22:40.280 of filming, Mina was supposed to go to a Broadway 1:22:40.320 --> 1:22:42.240 show with her parents, and she was like, how about 1:22:42.280 --> 1:22:45.200 you come with me? So she let me come to 1:22:45.320 --> 1:22:47.080 the Broadway show with her just so we could, like Vaughan, 1:22:47.200 --> 1:22:48.000 get to know each other. 1:22:48.200 --> 1:22:49.519 And it was amazing. 1:22:49.560 --> 1:22:53.760 We saw aDNA Menzel, which was incredible. 1:22:53.920 --> 1:22:56.120 But yeah, the girls on set were amazing. 1:22:56.160 --> 1:22:58.240 We definitely all got along really well, which I think 1:22:58.439 --> 1:23:01.160 made it a lot easier to all so young, So 1:23:01.200 --> 1:23:02.840 it made it easier when we were on set because 1:23:03.400 --> 1:23:04.480 we're all friends. 1:23:04.800 --> 1:23:05.759 That's so great. 1:23:06.320 --> 1:23:10.240 Well, this is jumping ahead, but you know, what is 1:23:10.280 --> 1:23:12.759 your theory? Who was in charge? 1:23:13.320 --> 1:23:16.000 They saw the pink? What was the plan? 1:23:16.400 --> 1:23:19.160 I go back and forth on this, but I genuinely 1:23:19.280 --> 1:23:22.599 think that they believed in Glasgow man that Perry and 1:23:22.640 --> 1:23:25.439 Mia believed in it, but once they realized that they 1:23:25.439 --> 1:23:28.000 were getting caught, I think they devised a plan. Okay, 1:23:28.320 --> 1:23:30.439 Perry's going to act like I'm crazy. I'm gonna act 1:23:30.439 --> 1:23:33.599 like I'm crazy, and you pretend like I made you 1:23:33.680 --> 1:23:34.880 do everything so. 1:23:34.800 --> 1:23:36.080 Then I can get off. 1:23:36.160 --> 1:23:38.439 Go to a mental institution, and you just get to 1:23:38.479 --> 1:23:39.639 go off and be with your family. 1:23:40.200 --> 1:23:42.120 So you were only like fourteen when you shot this. 1:23:42.280 --> 1:23:44.400 Did you care about, like any of the other cast 1:23:44.439 --> 1:23:46.160 members that you saw? Were you like excited to see 1:23:46.160 --> 1:23:47.240 any of them? Or were you just like, who are 1:23:47.280 --> 1:23:48.080 all these old people? 1:23:48.400 --> 1:23:51.080 I honestly had not watched the show show. I didn't 1:23:51.120 --> 1:23:51.720 know who they were. 1:23:51.800 --> 1:23:53.680 But then it was so bad because after I was 1:23:53.680 --> 1:23:55.519 on the show, I started watching it and then I 1:23:55.600 --> 1:23:57.040 became the biggest SBU fan. 1:23:57.360 --> 1:23:58.880 I've seen every single episode, and I. 1:23:58.760 --> 1:24:01.599 Was like, God, why did I not like fully taking 1:24:01.600 --> 1:24:03.200 that experience when I was there? 1:24:03.360 --> 1:24:05.360 Like, now I'm obsessed with all of these people. 1:24:06.439 --> 1:24:09.800 That's amazing. Do you find Carees attractive? 1:24:10.920 --> 1:24:11.240 Yes? 1:24:11.720 --> 1:24:13.679 Yeah, I mean, come. 1:24:13.479 --> 1:24:17.800 On, he's so cute, character's so sweet. How can you 1:24:17.840 --> 1:24:18.559 not like him? 1:24:19.160 --> 1:24:19.519 Yeah? 1:24:19.520 --> 1:24:22.200 Well, I'm like, I think he's very hot and Karen's 1:24:22.280 --> 1:24:23.960 I'm like, he's okay, whatever. 1:24:25.000 --> 1:24:28.000 He's not man candy for you. Yeah, I'm more into 1:24:28.680 --> 1:24:31.040 some of the other guys on the show. But uh, 1:24:31.520 --> 1:24:33.559 I you know, I get the careasy thing for people, 1:24:33.560 --> 1:24:36.040 I really do. I just think his accent is a 1:24:36.080 --> 1:24:37.240 little bit dorky for me. 1:24:38.000 --> 1:24:40.479 Yeah, his auction's a little much, but it's part of 1:24:40.479 --> 1:24:40.960 the charm. 1:24:41.000 --> 1:24:41.479 I think. 1:24:42.160 --> 1:24:44.439 Let's talk about when you're on the stand and you 1:24:44.520 --> 1:24:45.879 get those tears flowing. 1:24:46.000 --> 1:24:47.320 How did that work? How did you? 1:24:47.360 --> 1:24:50.160 I mean, I guess you'd been acting since you were 1:24:50.280 --> 1:24:52.759 like seven or eight or something, but that still seems 1:24:52.800 --> 1:24:55.120 like you were. That was multiple tiers you were pushing 1:24:55.160 --> 1:24:56.440 out without getting hysterical. 1:24:57.439 --> 1:25:00.360 I was actually, I'm kind of funny story abou this. 1:25:00.400 --> 1:25:02.679 So when we were doing that scene, I was very 1:25:02.680 --> 1:25:06.480 nervous and I can cry on cue. 1:25:06.080 --> 1:25:07.640 But it's like it's a little hard for me to 1:25:07.640 --> 1:25:08.800 get there. And I was on set and I was 1:25:08.840 --> 1:25:09.439 really nervous. 1:25:09.439 --> 1:25:12.080 I was shaking a little, and we had done a 1:25:12.080 --> 1:25:13.760 few takes and I was just having kind of a 1:25:13.840 --> 1:25:16.680 hard time getting there and Marshka came up to me, 1:25:16.760 --> 1:25:19.280 looked at me in the eyes, and she goes, you're 1:25:19.320 --> 1:25:20.240 gonna cry on this take. 1:25:20.280 --> 1:25:24.280 I believe in you. And I was like, okay, yeah, yeah, 1:25:24.880 --> 1:25:25.800 we do the next take. 1:25:26.000 --> 1:25:29.759 I start crying, and after we like cut the scene, 1:25:29.880 --> 1:25:31.679 she is running around the sound and saying, yes. 1:25:31.680 --> 1:25:34.240 Oh my god, my girl. That was incredible. 1:25:35.000 --> 1:25:35.200 Ah. 1:25:35.560 --> 1:25:37.840 I reaked out. I was like in my head like, 1:25:37.920 --> 1:25:41.040 oh my god. Like she just looked at me in 1:25:41.080 --> 1:25:42.680 the eyes and started talking to me. 1:25:43.240 --> 1:25:45.519 Wow, what a woman. 1:25:46.120 --> 1:25:48.400 All right, she's incredible. 1:25:49.080 --> 1:25:51.280 Tell us about the paranormal Activity movies because that's like 1:25:51.320 --> 1:25:53.360 a big thing for you, right, and like I can 1:25:53.400 --> 1:25:55.240 barely watch a horror movie now and I'm a full 1:25:55.280 --> 1:25:57.599 blown woman, and like you're eleven years old in these 1:25:57.600 --> 1:25:58.160 horror movies. 1:25:58.160 --> 1:25:59.719 Well, so we watched the trailer. 1:25:59.800 --> 1:26:03.880 Well I was watching the trailer, Oh my god, and 1:26:03.920 --> 1:26:05.040 I was like, what are you watching. 1:26:05.160 --> 1:26:07.640 I was scared of Activity three, and I was like, 1:26:07.680 --> 1:26:12.200 she's the main person. You're the main Like, I mean 1:26:12.240 --> 1:26:14.600 it looks so I jumped like four times just in 1:26:14.640 --> 1:26:17.200 the trailery. 1:26:17.640 --> 1:26:20.519 Yeah, it was definitely on set. It was not scary 1:26:20.560 --> 1:26:23.160 at all. And I think now I'm so susceptible to 1:26:23.920 --> 1:26:25.960 not being scared watching horror films because I was on 1:26:26.000 --> 1:26:26.960 that set and I did. 1:26:27.240 --> 1:26:29.639 Three of those movies, so they just make it such. 1:26:29.479 --> 1:26:32.200 A fun environment on set and everything's like in special 1:26:32.200 --> 1:26:34.920 effects afterwards, when you're on there, it's just completely normal. 1:26:36.000 --> 1:26:39.679 I remember in the Bloody Mary scene where the ghost 1:26:39.760 --> 1:26:42.080 is supposed to be banging on the door, it was 1:26:42.160 --> 1:26:44.920 just one of the ads and he was just banging 1:26:45.000 --> 1:26:47.840 on the door, so it's not scary at. 1:26:47.760 --> 1:26:49.920 All, which is the scariest scene in the film. 1:26:50.000 --> 1:26:52.400 But for me, I'm like, Oh, it's this big guy 1:26:52.520 --> 1:26:53.639 just banging against the door. 1:26:53.640 --> 1:26:55.679 It's not terrifying. Wow. 1:26:55.720 --> 1:26:59.439 What scared me was like some they poured of water 1:26:59.479 --> 1:27:00.439 and the ghost was there. 1:27:00.760 --> 1:27:07.080 Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, like when they do paint or whatever. Yeah. 1:27:07.120 --> 1:27:09.280 We obviously were stalking you a little bit on your 1:27:09.320 --> 1:27:12.760 Wikipedia and everything, and we notice that your twenty first birthdays. 1:27:12.400 --> 1:27:14.960 Coming up in a few months. You're the youngest person 1:27:14.960 --> 1:27:17.000 we've spoken to on our podcast. 1:27:16.560 --> 1:27:19.800 And really, yes, still honored. 1:27:19.520 --> 1:27:21.640 But you don't feel like we're talking to don't You 1:27:21.640 --> 1:27:23.720 don't feel like we're talking to somebody who's super young. 1:27:23.760 --> 1:27:24.800 You feel like an old soul. 1:27:25.000 --> 1:27:27.320 Oh thank you, But we want to know what your 1:27:27.320 --> 1:27:28.720 twenty first birthday plans are. 1:27:29.120 --> 1:27:30.960 Okay, I think I'm actually going to be back in 1:27:31.000 --> 1:27:34.360 Texas because I go home for the summer. So I'm 1:27:34.439 --> 1:27:37.080 hoping that my parents said that they're maybe going to 1:27:37.120 --> 1:27:39.360 fly on some of my best friends from LA to 1:27:39.360 --> 1:27:41.000 come down to Texas. So hopefully we'll go to a 1:27:41.000 --> 1:27:45.400 few bars in downtown Houston, maybe a few clubs down there, right, 1:27:45.400 --> 1:27:47.760 because I mean, Texas is completely open now, which is 1:27:48.240 --> 1:27:49.200 very weird. 1:27:49.680 --> 1:27:49.840 But. 1:27:51.320 --> 1:27:55.479 I got my exactly. I'll be fully vaccinated by then. 1:27:55.800 --> 1:27:57.439 I love how close you are with your parents. I 1:27:57.439 --> 1:27:59.759 would never celebrate my twenty first birthday with my parents. 1:28:00.080 --> 1:28:02.240 Actually I did, never mind, I did, I did, I did, 1:28:03.120 --> 1:28:07.599 I did, I forgot, But they are your close with them. 1:28:08.040 --> 1:28:11.640 Extremely close. Like my mom is my best friend. She 1:28:11.840 --> 1:28:13.760 had done acting with me since I was nine years old. 1:28:13.920 --> 1:28:17.280 I owe everything to my parents. 1:28:17.520 --> 1:28:19.720 I've worked with a lot of girls who were like 1:28:19.800 --> 1:28:22.120 Disney girls when they were younger and stuff, and they 1:28:22.200 --> 1:28:23.800 would come to LA with their moms and they're so 1:28:23.920 --> 1:28:25.400 close with their mom. I think when you like come 1:28:25.439 --> 1:28:27.360 to LA to like you guys live in like those 1:28:27.360 --> 1:28:30.960 furnished apartments in Burbank that everybody lives in. Oh yeah, yeah, 1:28:31.000 --> 1:28:33.120 like you know, like I feel like you're just there 1:28:33.120 --> 1:28:35.320 with your mom and you're like, hope I get this audition. 1:28:35.360 --> 1:28:37.120 You're running lines with your mom, like you better be 1:28:37.120 --> 1:28:39.439 friends with your mom or song d you heard about 1:28:39.439 --> 1:28:40.080 those apartments? 1:28:40.160 --> 1:28:44.280 I just said my from my Disney folks. 1:28:42.960 --> 1:28:44.840 Where every child actor had lived. 1:28:45.120 --> 1:28:46.400 It's like a classic place. 1:28:46.640 --> 1:28:49.400 We lived in this really tiny apartment one time, and 1:28:49.760 --> 1:28:53.559 it was one room with it was a studio, and 1:28:53.720 --> 1:28:57.240 I had a little bed right by the bathroom, so 1:28:57.280 --> 1:28:58.600 every time my mom would get up to go to 1:28:58.680 --> 1:29:00.360 the bathroom in the middle of the night would wake 1:29:00.400 --> 1:29:02.560 me up because my head is literally right where the 1:29:02.600 --> 1:29:03.240 toilet is. 1:29:03.640 --> 1:29:05.840 So that was probably one of the worst apartments we've 1:29:05.880 --> 1:29:06.240 stayed on. 1:29:07.960 --> 1:29:12.400 But sacrifices for the art. I guess right, you gotta 1:29:12.439 --> 1:29:16.800 do it, Okay. 1:29:16.960 --> 1:29:17.240 Wow. 1:29:17.360 --> 1:29:19.040 I love talking to her. It's so nice to talk 1:29:19.080 --> 1:29:21.720 to a young, a young soul. She's so young, not 1:29:21.720 --> 1:29:22.639 even twenty one yet. 1:29:22.880 --> 1:29:25.839 Now it makes me feel all confident in her future. 1:29:26.040 --> 1:29:26.280 Yeah. 1:29:26.439 --> 1:29:26.719 Same. 1:29:26.800 --> 1:29:30.360 I love talking to like a young twenty nineteen year 1:29:30.360 --> 1:29:33.240 old person or whatever who just has like a great 1:29:33.280 --> 1:29:35.599 head on their shoulders and is not like all. 1:29:35.479 --> 1:29:38.439 About fucking TikTok. And I want to meet her dad. Yeah, 1:29:38.479 --> 1:29:41.720 and her dad, huge, huge fan. I want to meet 1:29:41.720 --> 1:29:46.719 her dad. Mister Chendry, What up? Listen? What did we learn? 1:29:46.920 --> 1:29:48.280 The Internet's evil. 1:29:49.640 --> 1:29:52.000 Creepy Pasta is not for me? I learned that, but 1:29:52.000 --> 1:29:53.479 I learned that a long time ago. I actually did 1:29:53.520 --> 1:29:55.559 go on Creepy Pasta. I don't know why I mentioned that, 1:29:55.680 --> 1:29:58.479 like when it when this case first happened, my sister 1:29:58.520 --> 1:29:59.320 and I went and checked it out. 1:29:59.320 --> 1:30:02.320 We were like, this is too much. But yeah, I 1:30:02.320 --> 1:30:03.280 guess it's just like, keep an. 1:30:03.160 --> 1:30:04.880 Eye on what your kids are watching and make sure 1:30:04.880 --> 1:30:08.840 they have a healthy sense of reality versus make believe 1:30:08.960 --> 1:30:09.680 or imagination. 1:30:10.000 --> 1:30:14.120 And don't stab your friends. Yeah, don't stab your friends, 1:30:14.160 --> 1:30:14.519 you guys. 1:30:14.560 --> 1:30:16.880 And also yeah, like, if you're thirteen, like the chances 1:30:16.920 --> 1:30:19.200 of you outwitting the cops are super super slim. 1:30:19.280 --> 1:30:20.679 So I just wouldn't take the bat. 1:30:20.680 --> 1:30:22.559 I don't know if you're thirteen and listening to this 1:30:22.560 --> 1:30:25.800 podcast and considering committing a heinous crime, but I would just, 1:30:25.920 --> 1:30:28.080 I mean, watch a few more seasons of. 1:30:28.080 --> 1:30:30.320 Its view and for your some shit out. Oh, I 1:30:30.400 --> 1:30:33.200 learned what what is it? An unkept forest is prime 1:30:33.200 --> 1:30:36.000 evil forest. I learned about that. That's exciting. 1:30:36.320 --> 1:30:37.360 Unkept forest. 1:30:38.800 --> 1:30:42.160 I learned about Primevil and it sounds like something different. 1:30:42.160 --> 1:30:44.120 It sounds like a haunted forest, but it just means 1:30:44.120 --> 1:30:47.519 not chopped up. Yeah, not used for paper. Yeah, they 1:30:47.520 --> 1:30:50.200 haven't put a boat house with a Sauvignon blanc in 1:30:50.240 --> 1:30:52.920 it yet. Oh, we learned that Olivia Benson has one 1:30:52.960 --> 1:30:55.439 of the best babysitters with the most flexible schedule in 1:30:55.479 --> 1:30:56.360 the life of her own. 1:30:57.800 --> 1:31:03.000 Like, honestly, yeah, drop take where you're using care dot 1:31:03.040 --> 1:31:04.120 com sitter city. 1:31:04.240 --> 1:31:06.000 What are we talking about here? I need to know. 1:31:06.160 --> 1:31:07.920 I need to get a babysitter that I can literally 1:31:08.000 --> 1:31:09.960 call at three am and say get over here. 1:31:10.080 --> 1:31:12.640 Like she needs to have a plan, B babysitter. I 1:31:12.680 --> 1:31:15.720 can't always be lucy, Like that's my issue. There just 1:31:15.920 --> 1:31:21.480 needs to be another, right, It's just not realistic. 1:31:21.520 --> 1:31:23.519 I have ten babysitters. 1:31:22.920 --> 1:31:25.400 Names in my phone and I have one kid, and 1:31:25.439 --> 1:31:26.719 I've been mostly in a pandemic. 1:31:26.760 --> 1:31:29.400 My whole life is a mom so, like, you definitely 1:31:29.439 --> 1:31:30.599 have to have a plan B babysit. 1:31:30.600 --> 1:31:32.439 Are you sad when you have to call number eight 1:31:32.800 --> 1:31:33.840 or do you still trust them? 1:31:35.760 --> 1:31:39.080 I actually haven't had to mostly my top two or 1:31:39.080 --> 1:31:39.960 three are available. 1:31:40.120 --> 1:31:44.799 Yeah, babysitting so wild. Also like, don't leave your sister behind. 1:31:45.280 --> 1:31:47.679 Oh my god, don't leave your sister in the woods 1:31:47.800 --> 1:31:50.040 at night in New York City. That's just not I 1:31:50.040 --> 1:31:52.719 don't think that that's that's not a cute prank. 1:31:53.120 --> 1:31:55.639 No. And then also when your other sisters are missing, 1:31:55.880 --> 1:32:00.280 stop keeping secrets. Spill the beans. Spill the bean, like 1:32:00.320 --> 1:32:04.559 what is going on? Also, keep your cell phone close by, 1:32:04.760 --> 1:32:06.640 have an Apple Watch, you know, like, I know you 1:32:06.640 --> 1:32:09.439 want to play sex games with your boyfriend, but just 1:32:09.520 --> 1:32:10.840 keep an eye out on your kid. 1:32:11.479 --> 1:32:14.320 Yeah, and I think we can all take a lesson 1:32:14.320 --> 1:32:17.920 from Careesy about treating the unhoused like people. 1:32:17.720 --> 1:32:20.439 And manipulating them to get them to do what you want. 1:32:21.000 --> 1:32:24.040 Well, he just said, treat me like a man, And 1:32:24.080 --> 1:32:26.280 I feel like that's what Creese tried to do. You know, 1:32:26.360 --> 1:32:28.720 he didn't treat him like he was like, they did 1:32:28.760 --> 1:32:29.600 lie to him a little bit. 1:32:29.640 --> 1:32:29.960 You're right. 1:32:30.040 --> 1:32:35.360 Someone online was like, I'm a Stabler fan, but I 1:32:35.560 --> 1:32:38.800 would want my sister to date Careesi, And I thought 1:32:38.800 --> 1:32:40.200 that was a nice way of putting it. 1:32:40.840 --> 1:32:43.000 This was a great episode. It was what Zeo was 1:32:43.040 --> 1:32:43.720 a departure. 1:32:44.080 --> 1:32:45.840 You know, we always say in SVU there aren't no 1:32:45.880 --> 1:32:47.000 comparisons of crimes. 1:32:47.040 --> 1:32:49.280 But you know, this is a chill one. The crimes 1:32:49.280 --> 1:32:52.640 weren't so heinous. Yeah, well nobody did die, but you know, 1:32:52.960 --> 1:32:55.120 and d it was just girls stabbing each other lightly. 1:32:55.479 --> 1:32:59.280 It was kind of you know some Yeah, in real life, 1:33:00.040 --> 1:33:02.439 if it was bad, it was Wait and actually somebody 1:33:02.479 --> 1:33:05.000 did write us and told us that they had like 1:33:05.040 --> 1:33:07.559 a friend who was like tangentially involved in the case 1:33:07.600 --> 1:33:10.360 and like wasn't allowed to obviously tell her anything, but 1:33:10.439 --> 1:33:12.639 said that it like the real life case like gave 1:33:12.680 --> 1:33:14.400 her nightmares because it was one of the there's stuff 1:33:14.400 --> 1:33:17.800 that's not been released about it. She said that is 1:33:18.520 --> 1:33:23.600 like horrific and like like you just would keep you 1:33:23.680 --> 1:33:24.160 up at night. 1:33:24.360 --> 1:33:24.559 Yeah. 1:33:24.600 --> 1:33:28.840 I always mean the SVU episode was like obviously sure, 1:33:28.880 --> 1:33:33.840 of course what happened in Wisconsin is not chill. I'm 1:33:33.840 --> 1:33:36.599 not advocating for any of that. 1:33:37.520 --> 1:33:38.719 Just no chill. 1:33:39.240 --> 1:33:43.559 Yeah, as far as crimes go. But and you know, killers, 1:33:43.560 --> 1:33:45.880 they're just like us. They're trying to get their steps into. 1:33:47.320 --> 1:33:49.400 We're all working over Yeah, when those girls thought they 1:33:49.400 --> 1:33:52.760 could walk like ten miles to the park, well, you 1:33:52.800 --> 1:33:55.280 know I think that we did. We did speak about 1:33:55.320 --> 1:33:57.720 the real life girls involved in this case and how 1:33:57.760 --> 1:34:00.520 one of them was a person suffering from skits sophrennia. 1:34:00.560 --> 1:34:03.559 And so for this week's what would Sister Peg Do, 1:34:03.640 --> 1:34:07.639 which is when we direct you towards resources or articles 1:34:07.720 --> 1:34:10.240 or books or something to help you get more information 1:34:10.280 --> 1:34:10.800 about the. 1:34:10.880 --> 1:34:11.799 Topics we broached. 1:34:11.800 --> 1:34:14.519 In today's episode, we thought we would focus on NAMMY, 1:34:14.560 --> 1:34:18.640 which is the National Alliance on Mental Illness. It's NAMI 1:34:19.160 --> 1:34:22.400 dot org and it is the nation's largest grassroots mental 1:34:22.439 --> 1:34:26.479 health organization dedicated to, you know, building better lives for 1:34:26.560 --> 1:34:28.439 millions of Americans affected by mental illness. 1:34:28.479 --> 1:34:29.880 So go check out their page. 1:34:29.920 --> 1:34:33.960 There's a ton of resources on their website and you 1:34:33.960 --> 1:34:36.000 can get more information and things there. 1:34:36.800 --> 1:34:40.600 Thank you, Karra, You're welcome. That was really good information. 1:34:42.800 --> 1:34:45.960 Well let me take that in thanks Kara. That was okay, 1:34:47.360 --> 1:34:52.960 back to you, Lisa, Kara, that was really informative. Boom 1:34:52.960 --> 1:34:55.559 goes the Dynamite. If you get that joke, you might 1:34:55.560 --> 1:35:00.080 be old. Okay, did you get it, Kara? No, you 1:35:00.080 --> 1:35:01.360 don't know Boom goes the Dynamite? 1:35:01.760 --> 1:35:02.559 What is it? 1:35:02.560 --> 1:35:05.120 It was like a really really famous YouTube clip and 1:35:05.160 --> 1:35:07.360 it was like a newscaster who is young? 1:35:07.400 --> 1:35:08.320 I don't know if it was like. 1:35:08.400 --> 1:35:12.240 School news, like a university or like local news. 1:35:12.439 --> 1:35:13.559 But he just had a. 1:35:13.520 --> 1:35:16.040 Brain fart and couldn't get anything out and he was like, oh, 1:35:16.280 --> 1:35:18.840 like started stuttering and saying words it didn't make sense, 1:35:18.880 --> 1:35:21.599 and just like truly lost it on air and at 1:35:21.600 --> 1:35:24.559 the end goes boom, goes the dynamite And those are 1:35:24.560 --> 1:35:25.320 the only words he. 1:35:25.280 --> 1:35:27.800 Was able to cut get out of his like stuttering. 1:35:30.479 --> 1:35:32.640 I never say that, but I shall be looking it up. 1:35:32.960 --> 1:35:36.320 It was awesome, So we'll post that because it is 1:35:36.360 --> 1:35:38.320 one of the greatest YouTube videos. 1:35:39.080 --> 1:35:40.960 And next week we're taking it back. Baby. 1:35:41.400 --> 1:35:46.040 We're gonna do Execution, season three, episode fifteen, So please 1:35:46.080 --> 1:35:49.599 do your homework with your cute pets and good snacks. 1:35:50.280 --> 1:35:52.680 You can watch all the episodes on Hulu and peacock 1:35:52.920 --> 1:35:53.760 and we'll see you soon. 1:35:53.960 --> 1:36:00.559 Bye bye. 1:36:02.120 --> 1:36:04.160 That's Messed Up as an exactly right production. 1:36:04.400 --> 1:36:06.280 If you have compliments you'd like to give us or 1:36:06.320 --> 1:36:08.479 episodes you'd like us to cover, shoot us an email 1:36:08.520 --> 1:36:10.960 at That's Messed Up Pod at gmail dot com. 1:36:11.000 --> 1:36:13.679 Follow the podcast on Instagram at That's Messed Up Pod 1:36:13.760 --> 1:36:16.360 and on Twitter at messed Up Pod, and follow us 1:36:16.360 --> 1:36:19.320 personally at Karaklank and at Glittercheese. 1:36:19.479 --> 1:36:22.200 As always, please see our show notes for sources and 1:36:22.240 --> 1:36:22.959 more information. 1:36:23.320 --> 1:36:28.840 Thank you so much to SBU superfan and our incredible producer, Hannah. 1:36:28.600 --> 1:36:31.679 Kyle Kragon, and to our sound engineer and personal hero 1:36:31.800 --> 1:36:35.240 Anali Snilson, and to Henry Koperski for our theme song, 1:36:35.479 --> 1:36:38.400 to Carly Jean Andrews for our artwork. 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