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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: Did a Hawaiian beauty who goes missing at lax Dump

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Speaker 2: modern life, imploding her family and ends up into Tijuana.

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Speaker 2: As we go to air tonight, that video allegedly showing

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Speaker 2: her in Tijuana is brought into question. Is that her

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Speaker 2: has she been misidentified? I'm Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 3: As the family is aware. Late yesterday, after traveling to

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Speaker 3: the US Mexico border, we reviewed video surveillance from US

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Speaker 3: Customs and Border Protection which clearly shows Kobyashi crossing the

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Speaker 3: United States border on foot into Mexico. She was alone

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Speaker 3: with her luggage and appeared unharmed. At this time, Kobayashi's

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Speaker 3: case has been classified as a voluntary missing person, a.

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Speaker 1: Voluntary terry missing person case.

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Speaker 2: After all this and we are learning at this hour

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Speaker 2: that there is a motive for her alleged voluntary disappearance,

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Speaker 2: and that motive is and I want to get this

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Speaker 2: wording exactly right, that she wanted to quote step away

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Speaker 2: from modern connections.

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Speaker 1: Could she just unplug her cellphone? We all know where

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Speaker 1: the off button is. How about that? Why do you

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Speaker 1: have to lead us all on a merry wild.

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Speaker 2: Goose Chase spending tens of thousands of dollars of resources

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Speaker 2: to find her.

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Speaker 1: If in fact, that video.

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Speaker 2: Purporting to be her one hundred and forty five miles

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Speaker 2: away from La in Tijuana is correct, the calls for

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Speaker 2: the release of that video are mounting at this hour.

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Speaker 1: But you know what, Let's start at the beginning.

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Speaker 4: Listen picture show Hanna Kobe Ashia arriving in a black

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Speaker 4: hoodie with colorful sweatp while wearing a pair of headphones

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Speaker 4: as she walks through Lax. Her ex boyfriend makes it

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Speaker 4: to the connecting flight to JFK in New York, but

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Speaker 4: Hannah does not. There isn't a lot of time between

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Speaker 4: landing from Hawaiian and catching the connecting flight to JFK,

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Speaker 4: just over sixty minutes, and some believe she simply missed

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Speaker 4: the connecting flight and we'll take the next available flight

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Speaker 4: on Saturday. Her suitcase is on the plane to JFK.

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Speaker 2: That is where it all started. Let's try to figure out.

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Speaker 1: Let's dissect what we know and this Greg Morris, wouldn't

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Speaker 1: you agree with me?

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Speaker 2: You're a high profile lawyer out of Palm Beach and

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Speaker 2: author of the untested on Amazon, greg Before you can

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Speaker 2: mount any case, before we can say tonight what we

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Speaker 2: think happened.

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Speaker 1: We have to analyze all the evidence.

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Speaker 2: Now we're basing our analysis on what we've been told.

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Speaker 2: And I like the family, and like a former FB

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Speaker 2: I er I want to see that video too, the

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Speaker 2: video that the LAPD is not really sing. Normally I

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Speaker 2: don't support spying on a private individual, but in this case,

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Speaker 2: I think the family needs their minds and hearts at

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Speaker 2: rest that she has really been.

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Speaker 1: Spotted into Ijajuana.

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Speaker 2: That said, Gregory Morse, you have to look at not

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Speaker 2: only her frame of mind, but you have to look

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Speaker 2: at her actions.

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Speaker 5: She has a major life change that seems to be happening,

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Speaker 5: whether it's related to this cult, whether it's related to

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Speaker 5: her wanting to quote unquote disconnect from modern society, which

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Speaker 5: by the way, is generally since the beginning of time.

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Speaker 5: What cult leaders tell people, it doesn't matter what error

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Speaker 5: we're in. It could be the eighteen hundredths. Cult leaders

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Speaker 5: then gave some excuse as to why the people they're

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Speaker 5: trying to get to follow them should quote unquote disconnect

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Speaker 5: with regular society, and why it's better to do that,

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Speaker 5: and Also, just on a point, there is no privacy

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Speaker 5: at the border. The constitution doesn't apply at the border.

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Speaker 5: The government can do checks. The surveillance video you're out

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Speaker 5: in the public. So they should really have that video

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Speaker 5: made available to the public so people can look in

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Speaker 5: the family, Okay, determine if it's credible.

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Speaker 2: The family starts to get worried when they get odd

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Speaker 2: texts from Hannah. Now, the reason I'm bringing these up

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Speaker 2: is because it gives me an insight into her frame

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Speaker 2: speak Spanish, has nothing but her suitcase, no money, no anything,

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Speaker 2: in a bad frame of mind. I mean, I write

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Speaker 2: in my book, don't be a victim because of the

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Speaker 2: crime rates in Mexico, just don't go there. So if

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Speaker 2: an ordinary person can end up being a crime target

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Speaker 2: in Mexico, what about a woman on her own that

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Speaker 1: And all she's got is a suitcase full of clothes.

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Speaker 1: Uh huh.

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Speaker 2: What's happening to this woman if in fact that is

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Speaker 2: her in Tijuana. Now, this is where the family really

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Speaker 6: Listen, Hannah Kobyashi's family is concerned about odd text messages

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Speaker 6: from Hannah because the messages don't sound like her. The

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Speaker 6: messages used terms like hun and babe. The messages also

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Speaker 6: a text message coming from Hannah. Kobyashi Kobyashi sends messages

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Speaker 6: to a friend saying she doesn't feel safe and someone's

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Speaker 6: trying to steal her identity and monity. Deep hackers wiped

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Speaker 6: my identity, stole all of my funds and had me

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Speaker 6: on a mind f sends Friday. I got tricked pretty

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Speaker 6: much into giving away all my funds, followed by for

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Speaker 6: someone I thought I loved.

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Speaker 2: Did this woman simply step away from modern connectivity again?

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Speaker 1: Why not just.

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Speaker 2: Turn your phone off? Is she in her right mind?

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Speaker 2: Is that even her her?

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Speaker 1: In Tijuana? Okay?

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Speaker 2: Doctor Jeff Kalishwski is joining me. A forensic psychologist and

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Speaker 2: author of Dark Sides. You can find on YouTube, Doctor

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Speaker 2: Jeff Kalishewski, forensic psychologist, Doctor Jeff, thank you.

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Speaker 1: For being with us. Do you hear these texts?

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Speaker 2: No? Wonder the families beside themselves claiming that her identity

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Speaker 2: has been taken, her money has been hacked. Someone seems

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Speaker 2: to be controlling her. Her texts don't sound like her,

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Speaker 2: We may not want to believe where creatures have habit,

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Speaker 2: but we are so does that tell you that something

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Speaker 7: We've talked about this on this program before. Kind of

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Speaker 7: the first step in investigating situations like this is that

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Speaker 7: people have routines and people have patterns, and if people

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Speaker 7: is that they normally exhibit, you start to question, right,

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Speaker 7: a couple of things here. You know, some of these

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Speaker 7: odd texts, like you had mentioned Nancy, what was her

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Speaker 7: frame of mind, particularly going through life change? But the

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Speaker 7: other part there seems to be she's keeping some kind

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Speaker 7: that lead to another person who's involved that we don't know.

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Speaker 2: A secret, don't care, I don't care. If he's got

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Speaker 2: a secret that is not relevant. What is relevant, doctor Jeff,

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Speaker 2: is is she in her right mind? And even more so,

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Speaker 2: why won't LAPD release that video? You just heard Gregory Morse,

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Speaker 2: as a veteran child lawyer, state, there is no right

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Speaker 1: Cross that border, joining me.

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Speaker 2: Alexis Tereschuk Crime online dot Com investigative reporter Alexis all Along.

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Speaker 2: LAPD has been saying it's a voluntary.

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Speaker 1: Disappearance.

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Speaker 2: She's chosen to leave a voluntary disappearance.

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Speaker 1: They knew this piece of the puzzle that we didn't know. Listen, well,

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Speaker 1: she did.

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Speaker 3: Check her bag through to New York. She requested her

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Speaker 3: bag be sent to her at LAX, where we have

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Speaker 3: surveillance footage of her retrieving it from the baggage carousel

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Speaker 3: on November eleventh. LAPD Missing Person's Unit has conducted extensive

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Speaker 3: witness interviews, reviewed video surveillance, and collaborated with local and

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Speaker 3: federal law enforcement agencies on this case.

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Speaker 2: That from our friends at KITV Island News, Hey, Alexis.

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Speaker 2: For those people that have not been in LAX, it's

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Speaker 2: a madhouse, all right, especially when it's under construction. On

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Speaker 2: ternal three, I think, oh, you have to walk down

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Speaker 2: long on ground tunnels at LAX that are constructive cement.

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Speaker 2: There's no phone reception down there. There's a really long wall.

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Speaker 1: It's a very.

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Speaker 2: Confusing airport to a lot of people that have been

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Speaker 2: there many, many times. So many people understood, yeah, she

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Speaker 2: got twisted around and missed her flight. But this piece

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Speaker 2: of the puzzle alexis the police knew that.

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Speaker 1: She her bag had already gone on to JFK.

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Speaker 2: But then somehow she had the wherewithal to demand it

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Speaker 2: comes back to her, and she actually had her bag

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Speaker 2: re routed back to her, and police saw the video

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Speaker 2: of her getting that bag off the baggage carousel.

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Speaker 8: That's very probative, it is, and it's a decision she made.

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Speaker 8: She contacted the airline, she said, I need my bags

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Speaker 8: She missed the flight, and so she had them bringing

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Speaker 8: the bags back to Telly. She had not been at

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Speaker 8: the airport this whole time. She wasn't camped out at

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Speaker 8: the airport like that movie. She had left the airport.

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Speaker 8: She'd gone to the grove twice. She had apparently met

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Speaker 8: She was seen around town. She even sent her own

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Speaker 8: This is different from her arriving the first day in Lax.

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Speaker 8: She gets off the plane. It was a one hour window.

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Speaker 8: She did not get on that flight. Three days later

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Speaker 2: That's her originally between flies and then when she got

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Speaker 2: her back off the carousel, Alizais, you're telling me she

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Speaker 2: had on something different.

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Speaker 8: She did, so she in that picture she has on

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Speaker 1: She could have got new clothes, but it was different.

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Speaker 1: Day crime stories with Nancy Grace to Scott Iiker.

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Speaker 2: Joining me founding member of the FBI Cellular Analysis Survey Team,

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Speaker 2: also form a police officer homicide detective in Norfolk currently

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Speaker 2: with Precision Cellular Analysis.

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Speaker 1: Scott, thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 2: See I find this fact possibly the most probative other

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Speaker 2: than a shot of our Union station with her passport.

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Speaker 2: But right here. Have you ever tried to retrieve a

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Speaker 2: bag that has been misdirected? Much less at LAX. I

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Speaker 2: mean you can practically not do it at them making

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Speaker 2: Georgia International Airport, where there's one terminal, much less at LAX.

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Speaker 2: For Pete's sake, the bag was already gone. She had

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Speaker 2: the wherewithal the mindset, the understanding to retrieve the bag.

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Speaker 2: Gets noticed that the bag had made its way back.

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Speaker 2: She comes back to the airport, gets the bag. Why

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Speaker 2: is that probative? Because it shows me it's her decision

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Speaker 2: not to go on to New York right there.

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Speaker 1: That says it all.

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Speaker 2: And Lapd kept saying, this is voluntary, This is voluntary.

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Speaker 2: She chose for her bag not to go to New York.

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Speaker 2: She chose to come back and get it and leave.

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Speaker 2: But the family, in their hurt and confusion, didn't believe it.

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Speaker 2: And I don't blame them. If somebody told me my

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Speaker 2: husband went missing in LAX, there's no way. If an

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Speaker 2: angel flew down, Angel Gabriel, let's go with him and

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Speaker 2: said David has gone voluntarily missing. He wants to disconnect

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Speaker 2: from modern connectivity. I would say, BS, you're a liar.

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't believe it. That's where the family was at

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Speaker 1: There and they're very learning. Scott Iiker.

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Speaker 2: You know Steve Fisher has been on this. He's a

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Speaker 1: What do you make of it? To me, that's the

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Speaker 10: This was very much it was it was planned.

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Speaker 11: I mean, I know a lot about this case, and

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Speaker 11: definitely planned. She recalled her bags. I listen, it's her

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Speaker 11: in Mexico. I have I've worked with Greyhound to obtain

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Speaker 10: But there's more too, There's a lot more to this story.

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Speaker 10: But that is it's her.

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Speaker 11: I've seen other angles of this shot, and you know,

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Speaker 11: But I think it's important to remember that all this,

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Speaker 1: See she is there.

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Speaker 2: I can trying to figure out if you can see that,

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Speaker 10: This is this is her. I worked with Greyland.

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Speaker 11: This is Greyhound station at Union Station in Los Angeles,

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Speaker 12: It is determined that Hannah's phone last pinged around four

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Speaker 12: The phone has not been found. The family obtained surveillance

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Speaker 12: footage showing Hanna Kobyashi around the Metro train station near

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Speaker 2: Straight back out to Steve Fisher joining us missing person's

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Speaker 1: Steve, let me understand you're saying that.

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Speaker 2: You looked at the Greyhound bus photo that we were

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Speaker 2: just showing, and that you have determined she took the metro.

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Speaker 2: I mean, this sounds like a seasoned traveler. Hey, guys,

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Speaker 2: this is from Fox eleven. A season traveler that knows

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Speaker 2: how to catch the Metro at Lax take the metro,

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Speaker 2: which is like a subway or a rapid transit.

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Speaker 1: All the way to Union Station.

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Speaker 2: There she buys a one way ticket, no plan to

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Speaker 2: come back, one way ticket to Santa Sidro. And when

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Speaker 1: It's a tunnel, correct.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, there steps away from it.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, if you're going to Santra Sidro, you're crossing the border,

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Speaker 11: you know, most likely, I mean, there's no other reason

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Speaker 10: Yeah, so she I think it was very much planned,

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Speaker 11: I think the reason that people are so confused is

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Speaker 11: we've gotten some misinformation, like what they just mentioned about

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Speaker 11: they've refused to show that footage the family house to anybody,

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Speaker 11: she shows up a Union Station looking healthy, hairs washed,

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Speaker 11: she wearing clean clothes, She's got her suitcase with her.

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Speaker 11: So you know, we were told she was drugged and

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Speaker 11: you know this person was manipulating her. So I think

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Speaker 11: there's you know, a lot of misinformation going around.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I need you to be blunt stave Fisher that

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Speaker 2: if you come on stories, sure we don't partake in niceties.

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Speaker 2: When you say misinformation, just call it what it is.

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Speaker 2: What are you talking about? What misinformation? Because if I

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Speaker 2: saw my husband, my daughter, my son wandering around LA

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Speaker 1: Station, showing up at Crypto.

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Speaker 2: Arena, wandering through the grove, sending me odd texts about

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Speaker 2: how she's being controlled and someone's taken all our money,

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Speaker 2: I would be really worried that someone was either controlling her,

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Speaker 1: But you're telling me it's misinformation.

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Speaker 11: Well, it's being put out and there's some misinformation. I

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Speaker 11: think the family knows that. Listen, she's in a fragilemental

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Speaker 11: things that they're not disclosing, and they're making it sound

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Speaker 11: like this scenario where she's being traffic think that was

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Speaker 11: this is not the case. This is a voluntary missing.

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Speaker 11: I got a voicemail from the family saying, we want

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Speaker 11: to control the narrative. You know, do not put this

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Speaker 11: information out there. That's just not the way they should

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Speaker 10: They should be honest information that's put out there for

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Speaker 11: To involve the public, and that's not the case in this.

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Speaker 11: You know, she for whatever reason made a decision that

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Speaker 11: there should be this manhunt for her that the family

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Speaker 11: is continuing with. She is a strange from several family.

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Speaker 1: Members save Fisher.

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Speaker 2: What about the family saying that she was spotted with

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Speaker 11: Yeah, so she was with the mail again. They they

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Speaker 10: Just like a laped said they know who he is.

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Speaker 11: Again, I think you know it was to you know,

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Speaker 11: I said, preside, seed of mind, but I.

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Speaker 1: Mean she's going through you're telling me something. Yeah, I'm

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Speaker 2: But wait a minute, we were led to believe that

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Speaker 2: controlling her. Let me digest what you just said, because now,

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Speaker 2: I'm getting angry, and I'll tell you why.

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Speaker 1: I have worked so.

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Speaker 2: Many missing people cases, so many rape cases, murder cases,

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Speaker 1: Isn't it that the.

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Speaker 2: Family went with the unknown male's picture and said, have

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Speaker 1: They know who the guy was that was with her

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Speaker 10: You should be angry. I'm angry. There's a lot of

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Speaker 11: Yes he was showing his social Yes, it was showing

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Speaker 11: You know how they knew who he was right away.

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Speaker 11: The family has known.

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Speaker 10: A lot of it.

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Speaker 2: There was all this and attempt to get to this guy.

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Speaker 2: It's not an ex boyfriend, he's long gone. So do

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Speaker 2: we know who this guy is?

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Speaker 1: Is he a boyfriend? Is he somebody she met online?

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Speaker 10: It's just literally just somebody that she met in town.

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Speaker 10: He wasn't the big bad guy that they you know,

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Speaker 2: Do you know much bless me and our staff, how

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Speaker 11: What yes, basically, and this guy, there's just somebody that

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Speaker 11: You know, it's a different story than we thought. And

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Speaker 10: I don't know why LAPD.

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Speaker 11: Did not come out earlier than they did and say

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Speaker 1: Do you mean by that? There's a reason the family

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Speaker 11: They knew Listen, they knew she had been to the

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Speaker 11: because I think LAPD did hold that back, but they

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Speaker 10: A ray left town, you know, a week and a

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Speaker 2: Where is Hawaiian beauty Hannah Kobyashi seemingly vanishing at LAX

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Speaker 1: That is not at all what happened based on what

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Speaker 2: Have we all been dragged along on a Mary Wild

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Speaker 2: goose chase. Take a listen to what Chief Jim McDonald LPD.

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Speaker 3: Said I asked would be to anybody considering doing this,

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Speaker 3: Think about the people that you're leaving behind, Your loved

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Speaker 3: who are going to be looking for you, which then

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Speaker 3: potentially takes them away from other work that is also

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Speaker 3: critically import So there's a lot other than somebody just

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Speaker 3: deciding that they want to leave and disconnect. Consider those

443
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Speaker 3: that are behind you and those that will be impacted

444
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Speaker 3: by your actions.

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Speaker 2: Is Chief McDonald referring specifically to Hanna Kobyashi's father.

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Speaker 1: That's from our friends at Kai TV. But listen to this.

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Speaker 4: Ryan Kobyashi, the estranged father of Hanna Kobyashi, arrives in

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Speaker 4: Los Angeles to join the search for his daughter. After

449
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Speaker 4: eleven days of searching, Ryan Kobyashi is found dead around

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Speaker 4: four am near a parking structure at LAX.

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Speaker 6: The Los Angeles Medical Examiner says the cause of death

452
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Speaker 6: is multiple blunt force trauma injuries. The family issues a

453
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Speaker 6: statement expressing grief and asking for the public to focus

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Speaker 6: on the search for Hanna Kobyashi Alexis to.

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Speaker 2: Rest at Crime online dot Com investigative reporter, what happened

456
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Speaker 2: to her father?

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Speaker 1: Ryan?

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Speaker 8: So he came here. He was looking for his daughter

459
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Speaker 8: for eleven days. He was having he went to large groups.

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Speaker 1: He held it assign.

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Speaker 8: He went like knocking door to door down in skid

462
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Speaker 8: row of Los Angeles, which is not a nice part

463
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Speaker 8: of town.

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Speaker 1: Desperately looking for her.

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Speaker 8: Then he goes to a parking death near lax and

466
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Speaker 8: he jumped off the roof, fell to his death. And

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Speaker 8: now that we know this is twelve days after she

468
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Speaker 8: had already left the country.

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Speaker 2: Okay, that just breaks my heart because she has alexis

470
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Speaker 2: disconnected from quote modern connectivity, so she may not have

471
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Speaker 2: even known her father was there looking for her. And

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Speaker 2: she was already on her merry way to Mexico before

473
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Speaker 2: her father committed suicide.

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Speaker 1: Exactly while he was here looking for her. She was

475
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Speaker 1: already in Mexico.

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Speaker 8: And there's been no activity from her phone, I believe,

477
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Speaker 8: and so she truly she may not have heard. May

478
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Speaker 8: not be on the news down there. She may not

479
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Speaker 8: be you know, she's young, she may not even be

480
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Speaker 8: watching the news, and so she really may not even

481
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Speaker 8: know this. And it seems that her family has and

482
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Speaker 8: did not let anybody know that she was out of

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Speaker 8: town at that time or out of the country.

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Speaker 1: Sorry, and alexis are you telling me she was estranged

485
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Speaker 1: from her? Fe she was for sure? Yes, he said that.

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Speaker 8: He said, I regret that we were so estranged and

487
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Speaker 8: that we had such a bad relationship. But now that

488
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Speaker 8: she's missing, I'm here now looking for her. So we've

489
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Speaker 8: broken hearted, thinking something bad has happened in Los Angeles,

490
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Speaker 8: not out of the realm of possibility. A lot of

491
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Speaker 8: bad things happened, and so he came here looking for her,

492
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Speaker 8: and then less than two weeks later, jumps off the

493
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Speaker 8: roof of a building and kills himself.

494
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Speaker 2: Doctor Jeff Kelshewski joining me, forensics psychologist, Doctor Jeff, I'm

495
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Speaker 2: just trying to imagine what the dad went through, being

496
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Speaker 2: estranged for a period of time and then learning your

497
00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:42,280
Speaker 2: daughter is missing, and he flies all the way, I believe,

498
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Speaker 2: from Hawaii to LA and starts a one man search

499
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Speaker 2: team going all over the city, even the worst parts

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Speaker 2: of the city, imagining the worst all this time about

501
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Speaker 2: his daughter, thinking about all the time they had lost

502
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Speaker 2: from being estranged, and then realizing that he would never

503
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Speaker 2: see her again. She's totally lost, probably dead, and commits suicide.

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Speaker 2: That's a heartbreaking story. I mean, all I can think

505
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:17,040
Speaker 2: about is my own father, you know, Doctor Jeff, I

506
00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:20,040
Speaker 2: remember on Dancing with the Stars the very first night,

507
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:22,200
Speaker 2: I was about to be thrown off. I somehow managed

508
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Speaker 2: to cling on till the bitter end. But as I

509
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:28,200
Speaker 2: was standing there in jeopardy, I looked across the dance floor.

510
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Speaker 2: I saw one face, my dad, and he was so upset.

511
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Speaker 2: I thought he was gonna have a heart attack because

512
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Speaker 2: he was upset for me. He thought I was going

513
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Speaker 2: to be broken up, which I would not have been,

514
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:47,080
Speaker 2: but he looked so upset. I can't imagine this father

515
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Speaker 2: trying to make up for lost time, trying to find

516
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Speaker 2: his daughter and coming to the realization that she was

517
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Speaker 2: most likely dead, and killing himself.

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Speaker 7: You know, when the private adst Gator mentioned that there's

519
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Speaker 7: some odd family dynamics and involvement in this case, you know,

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00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 7: I start to wonder, the estranged father, what information was

521
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:17,200
Speaker 7: he being provided by the family that sort of increased

522
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Speaker 7: his despair and put him in a state of mind

523
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Speaker 7: where he felt the only way out of this agony

524
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Speaker 7: was to take his own life.

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Speaker 2: What about it, Steve Fisher, You have personally investigated Hanna

526
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:35,600
Speaker 2: Kobayashi's disappearance. You mentioned earlier and now I'm following up

527
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:38,840
Speaker 2: on it that she was astrange from several members of

528
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Speaker 2: her family.

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Speaker 1: Could you explain what you mean by that?

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Speaker 11: Well, it's simply that I mean, you know, she did

531
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Speaker 11: not have a relationship with her father. There was tension

532
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Speaker 11: with other family members, so you know, I mean this

533
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Speaker 11: all kind of makes sense.

534
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Speaker 1: Tension over what, tension over what.

535
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Speaker 10: Well, I don't know the exact details.

536
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 11: I didn't get into that, you know, what those dynamics were, like,

537
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:09,000
Speaker 11: what the actual triggers were. However, it was evident, and

538
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 11: you know, I have talked to people that are close

539
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:14,840
Speaker 11: with her on the island, friends and whatnot, and you

540
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:16,880
Speaker 11: know this is this is not a secret. In fact,

541
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Speaker 11: I heard her father telling people that he was using

542
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Speaker 11: this as an opportunity to get back in her life.

543
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Speaker 11: I actually suggested the family I thought I didn't think

544
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Speaker 11: it was a good idea for him to be a

545
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Speaker 11: press point person could drive her further away. Now, of

546
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:33,520
Speaker 11: course she's already in Mexico. We know now by time

547
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:37,760
Speaker 11: this is happening. But you know, there's there's there's a

548
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:39,880
Speaker 11: lot more to the story. I do believe there's going

549
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 11: to be a lot more when that comes out.

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Speaker 4: The LAPD say they have no plans to release the

551
00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:47,760
Speaker 4: surveillance video, but it's showing Hannah Kobyanshi crossing the US

552
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Speaker 4: Mexico border due to privacy concerns. The public information officer

553
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Speaker 4: for the LAPD says they will not release the tape

554
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:57,920
Speaker 4: because Kobyashi is a private citizen and has not committed

555
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Speaker 4: a crime. LA p D Chief Jimmy says Kobyashi has

556
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Speaker 4: quote a right to her privacy.

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Speaker 1: Crime stories. With Nancy Grace.

558
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Speaker 2: Joining us an all star panel to make sense of

559
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Speaker 2: what we are hearing now, and we're hearing an ear

560
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Speaker 2: full I'm just trying to determine why Hanna Kobyashi would

561
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Speaker 2: leave her family in the lurch, let them think she

562
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 2: was either dead or missing or being held captive, and

563
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Speaker 2: choose to head to Mexico with nothing but her suitcase.

564
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Speaker 2: To Steve Fisher, missing person's private investigator at Search Investigations

565
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Speaker 2: dot org. Have you seen the Tiawana video or have

566
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Speaker 2: you seen the video of her leaving Santa Sedro and

567
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Speaker 2: heading across the tunnel.

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Speaker 11: I've not seen that footage now. I'm only aware of

569
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Speaker 11: her getting on the Greyhound.

570
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 2: Union station, okay, And if she had gotten off somewhere

571
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Speaker 2: between here and there, there would be video of that.

572
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 10: At a bus station, there's definitely video of her.

573
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Speaker 11: There's video ad Santry Sedo station and absolutely customs More

574
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Speaker 11: Patrol has you know, facial organition cameras and everything as

575
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Speaker 11: you're entering and listen, there's been sightings of her down

576
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 11: south of Tiauan as well.

577
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 1: What about that?

578
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 2: Scott Ikerr, founding member FBI Cellular Analysis Survey Team, tell

579
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Speaker 2: me about the face recognition that is used at the border.

580
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 2: And I know you have to show your passport when

581
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Speaker 2: you enter our country, but when you were leaving you

582
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Speaker 2: also have to show.

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Speaker 9: It, agreed, And that's part of the you know, the

584
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Speaker 9: border security that we do have, and it's important to

585
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Speaker 9: be able to identify the people coming in. And now

586
00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:49,240
Speaker 9: sounds like pretty good information that you actually went into

587
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Speaker 9: Mexico and you know, if she's by herself, then she's

588
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Speaker 9: by herself when we start taking all this together. It

589
00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:57,240
Speaker 9: sure does sound like we were kind of led in

590
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Speaker 9: the wrong direction.

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Speaker 2: Man, you're not kidding with a ring through our noses,

592
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:06,520
Speaker 2: you know, Steve Fisher, you keep alluding to more is

593
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 2: going to come out?

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00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 1: Well, how about right now? Can it come out? Right now?

595
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:11,160
Speaker 1: What are you talking about?

596
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Speaker 10: No, I mean there is more to the story.

597
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 11: It's not something it's not for me to discuss because

598
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 11: I don't have one hundred percent proof of it, so

599
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:20,720
Speaker 11: I wouldn't want to put something out there and be wrong.

600
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 11: But listen, I'm confident there's more will come out.

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Speaker 2: Okay, that's not really helping me, But let me go

602
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:31,320
Speaker 2: to I'll give you a few moments to think about

603
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 2: what you're saying to a high profile lawyer joining us

604
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:39,120
Speaker 2: out of Palm Beach. Gregor Remorse, author of the Untested

605
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 2: on Amazon. Gregory, can I talk to you about potential

606
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:46,720
Speaker 2: criminal charges because as of right now, I don't see any.

607
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 2: We have been comparing this to, for instance, the disappearance

609
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Speaker 2: of super Mom Sherry Peppini, who disappeared. Her husband didn't

610
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 2: realize she was gone until the children were not home,

611
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 2: you know, after school. When he got home, her cell

612
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 2: phone was found on the side of the road as

613
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Speaker 2: if it had been yanked from her. Turns out she

614
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 2: just took a powder and was shacked up with her

615
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 2: ex boyfriend. She went so far as to beat herself,

616
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Speaker 2: starve herself, and even brand herself with a hot curling

617
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Speaker 2: iron to make it look as if she had been kidnapped.

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Speaker 1: She blamed it on Hispanic women.

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Speaker 2: Okay, she lied to police, right, that makes her different

620
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Speaker 2: from Hanna Kobyashi. Then we've got the so called runaway bride,

621
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Speaker 2: Jennifer Willbanks.

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Speaker 1: That's a Georgia case.

623
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Speaker 2: In that case, it was the night before a big

624
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Speaker 2: society wedding and she gets kidnapped.

625
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Speaker 1: She also blamed.

626
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Speaker 2: Some Hispanic men in that case and claims she had

627
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Speaker 2: been abducted.

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Speaker 1: She lied about it.

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Speaker 2: The last time I had eyes on her, she was

630
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Speaker 2: cutting grass as part of community service.

631
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Speaker 1: All right.

632
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Speaker 2: Then we've got Curly Russ, beautiful girl out of a

633
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:06,480
Speaker 2: look at her Alabama. She fakes her disappearance and even

634
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Speaker 2: goes so far as to claim she's trying to rescue

635
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Speaker 2: a top boy who was wandering along the side of

636
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Speaker 2: a busy interstate and then she goes missing. Well, turns

637
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:21,239
Speaker 2: out she was shacked up in a hotel ordering room

638
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:24,319
Speaker 2: service while we were desperately trying to find her. She

639
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:29,280
Speaker 2: since came clean, has apologized, has taken responsibility as trying

640
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Speaker 2: to make something good out of her life.

641
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Speaker 1: But she lied. Hanna Kobyashi has not lied to anybody.

642
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Speaker 1: She just left.

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Speaker 5: I disagree with you. This needs to be changed from

644
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:46,880
Speaker 5: a missing person's report to a searching for a criminal suspect.

645
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:49,640
Speaker 5: And if Hannah Kobayashi were smart, she would call my

646
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:53,800
Speaker 5: law firm and seek counsel right away. This girl's father

647
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:59,120
Speaker 5: is dead. He killed himself knowing anything about Okinawans, which

648
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Speaker 5: I believe her there was. This is an honorable culture.

649
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:07,840
Speaker 5: It is foreseeable that he would take this so heavy.

650
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Speaker 5: And if his daughter knew that and set this course

651
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:14,439
Speaker 5: in action that led to his death, I think there's

652
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Speaker 5: a chance that the police can be searching for or

653
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:20,400
Speaker 5: looking into this for a murder to charge. You are

654
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:24,879
Speaker 5: a prosecutor, Nancy, and if you know from maybe about

655
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:27,799
Speaker 5: a decade ago, I think it was Suffolk County, New

656
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:32,959
Speaker 5: York that started charging murder two for dui manslaughters. Most

657
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Speaker 5: places that doesn't matter anymore because they're the same type

658
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Speaker 5: of sentence usually, So this is something that is unique.

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Speaker 5: But those texts that were sent claiming she was lost

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Speaker 5: her money and kidnapped, this directed a story that's her lying,

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Speaker 5: very different than the story that you did. On the

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Speaker 5: guy who went to Uzbekistan. He didn't contact the police

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Speaker 5: until recently. He should have watched her show because now

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Speaker 5: he's made some statements that could get him charged with

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Speaker 5: a crime, but initially he didn't. So Hannah Kobayashi is

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Speaker 5: your typical. It seems to me from what I've read.

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Speaker 5: She doesn't have a real job, she's thirty years old,

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Speaker 5: she's floundering in life and set on this course of motion,

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Speaker 5: maybe taken advantage of by a cult. Sure that is

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Speaker 5: definitely seems like what this is. But her father is

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Speaker 5: dead and she sent information.

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Speaker 2: Never heard, racking my memory. A worse distortion of the

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Speaker 2: criminal code in my life. There is no way that

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Speaker 2: this girl, and I don't care if she's unemployed, I

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Speaker 2: don't care if she's a deadbeat moves in our her family.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if she is or.

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Speaker 2: Not, But there is no way that she could have

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Speaker 2: foreseen her father with him she hasn't spoken to at

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Speaker 2: a long period of time.

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Speaker 1: Is going to fly to La.

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Speaker 2: She have to be a clairvoyant to figure out he's

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Speaker 2: going to fly to LA look for her, and then

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Speaker 2: jump off a parking debt roof.

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Speaker 1: That's crazy talk. Okay, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: If you're just trying to get a client. I don't

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Speaker 2: think of that hard up. But there's no way there's

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Speaker 2: a murder to charge in this. No, No, cut his

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Speaker 2: MC right now, because I'm not going to be responsible

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Speaker 2: for disseminating falsities or guarding law. You can put him up.

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Speaker 2: I'd like to see him react to what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: But this woman is not going to be charged with

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Speaker 2: murder too. She left on her own and you say

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Speaker 2: she lied, she lied, Yeah, she lied to her mother.

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Speaker 2: If that's a crime, I bet I can prosecute you,

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Speaker 2: Greg Moore, she never lied to your mother, BS. She

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Speaker 2: did not lie to police. She's no Shery Peppini.

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Speaker 1: She has no.

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Speaker 2: Jennifer Willbanks, she's no Borgwart. That's the man you're talking

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Speaker 2: about that left his wife and family for some is

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Speaker 2: becky woman, and she's no Curly Russell.

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Speaker 1: No, it's not going to happen.

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Speaker 12: Days of searching the streets of Los Angeles and passing

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Speaker 12: out flyers have exhausted family and friends, but they still

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Speaker 12: push forward in the search for Hanna Kobayashi.

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Speaker 1: But a shocking twist just might crack the case open.

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Speaker 1: Hannah Kobayashi spotted crossing the Mexico or at this hour.

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Speaker 2: The family is asking LAPD and others to continue the

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Speaker 2: search for Hanna Kobayashi. To Steve Fisher, who has been

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Speaker 2: part of the investigation, local law enforcement is saying no

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Speaker 2: way and are dropping this like hot potato. And they

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Speaker 2: say that absolutely is her into Yawana.

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Speaker 1: Case closed, correct.

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Speaker 11: And she should be flagged at Immigration when she comes

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Speaker 11: back across and that's where they're going to talk to

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Speaker 11: her and evaluate her. But for the family to be

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Speaker 11: pushing this private search to continue, and that's really putting

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Speaker 11: people in harm's way. Tijuana going to the bard is

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Speaker 11: not a place to be going and looking and snooping around.

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Speaker 11: You don't have any right, you know, you don't have

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Speaker 11: your rights as an American citizen over there.

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Speaker 10: It's going to get somebody hurt.

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Speaker 11: What they need to do is they need to have

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Speaker 11: an investigator that can find her quickly and a physician

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Speaker 11: on call that can evaluate her and limit it to that.

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Speaker 11: But this should not be public anymore as far as

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Speaker 11: I'm concerned. It's going to get somebody hurt and it's

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Speaker 11: going to push drive her further into isolation.

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Speaker 2: Steve, it's my understanding that Hannah Kobyashi's aunt, Laurie Pigeon,

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Speaker 2: is saying that she is still concerned about Hannah's safety,

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Speaker 2: and that concern has not lessened since she discovered Hannah

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Speaker 2: has crossed the border into Mexico. In fact, she's even

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Speaker 2: more worried that she is now in and a location

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Speaker 2: with which she is not familiar.

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Speaker 11: I agree, Listen, it's not the safest place in the world,

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Speaker 11: that's for sure. I mean, my brother has lived down

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Speaker 11: though there is an xpac community. However, she's doing this

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Speaker 11: publicly now. I understand the part when they thought she

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Speaker 11: was in Los Angeles, but now she's in a different country.

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Speaker 11: I think it's got to be very sensitive. It needs

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Speaker 11: to be done with qualified professionals and call off the

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Speaker 11: public search for it. It's like there's a bounty on

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Speaker 11: her almost, you know, and there's people are you know,

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Speaker 11: crossing the border now going and looking for her.

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Speaker 10: I just think it's a recipe for disaster.

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Speaker 2: And it also I would look for family too, even

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Speaker 2: if they voluntarily disassociated, because I would be so worried

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Speaker 2: about them. But what about the private detective and retired

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Speaker 2: FBI Tom Simon who says he wants LAPD to release

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Speaker 2: the Customs and Border Protection video to make sure that's

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Speaker 2: really her.

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Speaker 11: I don't say besides it's her. I mean I have

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Speaker 11: seen so this and that's her. That's all I can

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Speaker 11: see in it. But you know, when you say that

754
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Speaker 11: about the family, the family is not here looking for

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Speaker 11: They're asking others to do it.

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Speaker 10: But they're in Hawaii and in the ants in Palm Springs.

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Speaker 10: They're not They're not on the ground searching.

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Speaker 2: It's the bottom line. We've all been taken down a

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Speaker 2: rabbit hole. Tens of thousands of dollars have been spent

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Speaker 2: looking for a woman that wanted to unplug her cell phone. Okay,

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Speaker 2: as of right now, I don't see a crime. I'm

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Speaker 2: the last person that would say that, But I don't

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Speaker 2: see a crime in her decision to take off.

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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace signing off goodbye friend