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Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, Podcasts, radio News. I'm Hannah Elliott and

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Speaker 1: I'm Matt Miller.

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Speaker 2: This is Hot Pursuit.

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Speaker 1: Coming up on today's podcast, we're going to talk about

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Speaker 1: the new Audi supercar that kind of came out of nowhere.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and I don't think anyone needed it. Plus we're

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Speaker 2: going to talk about.

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Speaker 3: The effect of the luce On Ferrari, both the stock

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Speaker 3: and the soul of the company, after you wrote a

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Speaker 3: fantastic piece. Plus, speaking of soul, I'm selling my challenger.

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Speaker 1: This is the end of an era at I'm shocked.

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Speaker 1: I'm shocked. I thought you'd never saw that thing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm trading it in for another vehicle, and I'll

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Speaker 3: tell you about it in a bit. But first off,

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Speaker 3: I will confess it's not the Audi Neuvolari.

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Speaker 2: Is that what it's called? New Valari?

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Speaker 1: That's how I'm calling it. Yeah, the new Valari. Yeah

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Speaker 1: it is.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think offensively ugly.

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Speaker 1: Now yeah, okay, let's unpack that. Go ahead.

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Speaker 3: So all right, when I first saw this, it comes

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Speaker 3: after a string of horrible misses from carmakers. Right that

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Speaker 3: I know, it's a matter of opinion, It's totally subjective.

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Speaker 3: A lot of people hated the Mercedes GT four door,

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Speaker 3: the all electric.

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Speaker 2: Thing that came out.

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Speaker 3: I didn't despise it, but it wasn't great. Sure you

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Speaker 3: saw it in person? Is it better in person than

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Speaker 3: a p It's a better It's better in person.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I believe that.

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Speaker 3: Still, they've gone to so much trouble to make it

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Speaker 3: sound and feel like a V eight that I think

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Speaker 3: it proves our point you'd rather have a V eight.

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Speaker 1: The lady must must be protesting a bit too much.

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Speaker 3: Yes, And you had the Ferrari Luce, which we're going

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Speaker 3: to get into in a moment, and that took kind

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Speaker 3: of some of the heat off of Yes it did

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Speaker 3: the Mercedes, Yes it did. And but this all started,

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Speaker 3: I think with Jaguar with their ad campaign that missed

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Speaker 3: that just looked like it was designed on Minecraft and

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Speaker 3: no one finished it before. I mean it's still I've

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Speaker 3: only seen it in pictures, but it still just doesn't

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Speaker 3: look like a real car. It looks like someone has

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Speaker 3: an AI image in the photograph.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I think that might take the cake for still

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Speaker 1: the worst.

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Speaker 2: For me exactly.

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Speaker 3: So ye, enter Auty Nouvalari and I'm looking that thinking

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Speaker 3: somebody said, make the Jaguar type OO, put a V

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Speaker 3: Cybertruck to it.

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Speaker 2: Are you?

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Speaker 1: Are you not seeing Lamborghini in this car too?

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Speaker 2: Not a first glance.

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Speaker 3: I know that after I studied it for a while,

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Speaker 3: and I know that it obviously is pretty much based

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Speaker 3: on the Temario. I see the Lamborghini, but I it

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Speaker 3: was mainly Jag that I saw, like horrible.

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Speaker 1: Very brutalist, very very.

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Speaker 3: Brutalised, long lines squared off, doesn't look like they finished,

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Speaker 3: And I thought, well, who designed this that it looks

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Speaker 3: so much like the Jag. The dude's name is Frossella, right,

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Speaker 3: he runs design at Audi and guess where he used

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Speaker 1: Where did he used to work?

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Speaker 2: Matt Jaguar land ROVERSH.

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Speaker 3: So I don't know whose hand actually penned the design

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Speaker 3: of the Jaguar Type Ooh. I've heard Jerry McGovern gets

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Speaker 3: the credit, but Massimo Frisella was leading their design team

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Speaker 3: at JAG. He then went over to Audi and did this,

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Speaker 3: and no wonder they look so similar.

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Speaker 1: There there does seem to be something that feels a

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Speaker 1: little incestuous here between. You're right between the jag between.

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Speaker 1: To me, I really see this looks like a Lamborghini,

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Speaker 1: you know, mash up with the old R eight, but

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Speaker 1: context we should also say that this is a V

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Speaker 1: retains some internal combustion. It's over a thousand horsepower h

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Speaker 1: They're only going to make four hundred and ninety nine

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Speaker 2: I think the plan sell that many.

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Speaker 1: Surely they're going to have five hundred people raise their

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Speaker 2: And they need that.

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Speaker 1: Exciting because they need that, and they say they are

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Speaker 1: well aware. They say they need it. You know, Gernard

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Speaker 1: not a surprise. The car costs six hundred and eighty

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Speaker 1: six thousand dollars.

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so basically three hundred thousand dollars more than a

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Speaker 3: Lamborghini Temrio. And they're essentially I mean, they're built on

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Speaker 2: They both use.

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Speaker 3: The same layout, twin turbo charged four liter V eight

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Speaker 3: with three electric motors, and the combustion engines deliver the

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Speaker 3: same power. They managed to extract eighty more horsepower from

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Speaker 3: the electric motors on the on the Audi, but adding

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Speaker 3: eighty horse power plus a carbon body that doesn't really

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Speaker 3: to me, that doesn't get to three hundred thousand dollars

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Speaker 3: more valuable. And I know it's going to be limited.

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Speaker 3: But the Temporario is beautiful.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I agree, I agree, am in love with

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Speaker 3: And when it first came out, people were like, oh,

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Speaker 3: that looks too much like an Audi, right, which is hilarious,

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Speaker 3: But I mean I haven't driven it. I'm sure they'll

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Speaker 3: both be of blast to drive. But this just to me,

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Speaker 3: this raises question like why did they kill.

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Speaker 2: The R eight in the first place?

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Speaker 1: Gosh, it was so old, I mean, didn't they bring that.

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Speaker 1: I think, I think we're looking at it.

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Speaker 3: Except for this is right, except for seven hundred thousand dollars.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's limited. And the R eight had the V ten,

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Speaker 2: which I know Lamborghini also got rid of. But that

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Speaker 1: And here's something else, you know that that front grille

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Speaker 3: By the way, they also like something that escaped the

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Speaker 3: But I mean, like a concept car that wasn't quite

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Speaker 1: Right in a way, I could play Devil's advocate and say,

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Speaker 1: at least it does have some at least it's a hybrid.

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Speaker 3: I think definitely would have been worse. Yes, it could

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Speaker 3: be worse. Is the headline for the new Audi Supercar.

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Speaker 1: I think that's a fair headline. Honestly, it could be worse.

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Speaker 1: Remember the concept see that they showed about a year ago.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I think they're doing some awesome stuff otherwise.

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Speaker 3: You know, everyone knows how much I love the R

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Speaker 3: S six, and I always have. I think Audi is

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Speaker 1: Out some one yesterday was gorgeous.

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Speaker 2: Yes, there's My Breath was show pretty.

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Speaker 3: And Audi makes the most muscular I think, you know,

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Speaker 2: I guess I don't know, macho, manly.

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Speaker 3: Like the RS six from Layer Cake was so awesome

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Speaker 3: But the new one is an amazing car, and the

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Speaker 1: I'm actually really surprised to hear that, Matt, because you

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Speaker 3: But this just it just doesn't it. I think maybe

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Speaker 3: It's too that's too fresh in my mind. That wound

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Speaker 3: if so. The interesting thing is I read a version

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Speaker 3: it's like a home brand, right, Audi has a special

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Speaker 3: a little bit exactly. And I wonder if you know,

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Speaker 3: luce is making them feel the same way the owners.

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Speaker 3: And you actually interviewed an owner of an eight twelve

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Speaker 1: Is awesome, Yeah, doctor Michelle.

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Speaker 3: Who feel it feels like she was kind of hurt

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Speaker 3: by this as we oh yeah, blue cha.

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Speaker 1: I talked to I personally talked to many Ferrari owners

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Speaker 1: for the story because I really wanted to understand and

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Speaker 1: capture why, why such strong reactions, why so much outrage?

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Speaker 1: On another level, and Michelle is someone that I've known

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Speaker 1: a tried and true Ferrari lover. She drives. At eight twelve.

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Speaker 1: Her dad drove Ferraris and she called the cars the

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Speaker 1: it's no way to live. And the people I know

442
00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:14,680
Speaker 1: who keep cars in the city or close by or wherever,

443
00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:18,719
Speaker 1: it's like a it's a it's kind of a schlup.

444
00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:20,800
Speaker 2: I could see it as an investment.

445
00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:24,119
Speaker 3: Like a friend of mine has an F three fifty five.

446
00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:28,240
Speaker 3: He lives in the city and has whatever you know,

447
00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:30,320
Speaker 3: beater that he drives on a regular basis. Actually it's

448
00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:33,800
Speaker 3: a very cool Cayenne with a six speed manual transmission.

449
00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:37,399
Speaker 3: But he keeps his Ferrari like way up state.

450
00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:39,160
Speaker 2: You know, it's like an hour.

451
00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:41,199
Speaker 1: How often does he even get to it.

452
00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:42,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can't get to it very much.

453
00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:45,080
Speaker 3: But that's a great investment, right because that's a car

454
00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:49,040
Speaker 3: that will appreciate and my Challenger, as much as I

455
00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:52,800
Speaker 3: love it, is unlikely to go up in value anytime soon.

456
00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:58,320
Speaker 1: Well, you know, this is just a new season of life,

457
00:24:58,400 --> 00:24:59,919
Speaker 1: and the BMW will be fun.

458
00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:01,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it'll be.

459
00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:04,000
Speaker 3: It'll fit the kids, it'll be it's all wheel drive

460
00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:05,240
Speaker 3: so I can use it in the winter.

461
00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:09,679
Speaker 2: And it's the last V twelve that they made, so

462
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:11,680
Speaker 2: cool we'll see.

463
00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:13,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the maintenance.

464
00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:14,800
Speaker 2: Destroys me as an investor.

465
00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:17,280
Speaker 3: You know, like I still I do still have to

466
00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:20,879
Speaker 3: like put money into my retirement account. I have all

467
00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:23,760
Speaker 3: these three kids that now need college funds, you know,

468
00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:28,199
Speaker 3: very responsive, it's definitely it's definitely not like I have

469
00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:30,720
Speaker 3: piles of extra money laying around. So but when my

470
00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:33,600
Speaker 3: wife told me, like, you are, under no circumstances going

471
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:38,960
Speaker 3: to keep the Challenger if you get this twelve cylinder money.

472
00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:43,000
Speaker 1: Pit, you know, well, hey, you can only do so much.

473
00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:45,320
Speaker 1: You're you're making the right decisions here, and we all

474
00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:47,240
Speaker 1: support you. It's gonna be great.

475
00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:50,320
Speaker 2: Yes, I'm looking forward to that arriving.

476
00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:54,600
Speaker 1: That's cool. On the flip side, we have just acquired

477
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:57,040
Speaker 1: something half that size and a third of that weight

478
00:25:57,200 --> 00:26:00,399
Speaker 1: called a Porscha three five six c really, which is

479
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:05,520
Speaker 1: about about a quarter of the horsepower or less, which

480
00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:10,119
Speaker 1: is completely the different direction. But it's super fun and

481
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:13,600
Speaker 1: it's like having this new toy that is just kind

482
00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:15,120
Speaker 1: of surprisingly charming.

483
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:17,480
Speaker 2: So much fun? Is it so much fun to drive?

484
00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:21,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it shifts very well. It's only got four

485
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:26,239
Speaker 1: years so it's pretty simple. And you know, there are

486
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:28,440
Speaker 1: a couple of little thing, little kinks to work out,

487
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:30,119
Speaker 1: like when you go and reverse, there's a bit of

488
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:34,159
Speaker 1: a jutter, which could have something to do with the transmission,

489
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:36,040
Speaker 1: or it could have something to do with something completely different.

490
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:37,760
Speaker 2: I'm told, does it have a roof? Is it?

491
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:40,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a roof. It's a coop. It's a three

492
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:46,080
Speaker 1: five six sea coop, silver over black and the dog

493
00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:48,399
Speaker 1: fits in the back. Yeah. So that's kind of fun.

494
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:52,000
Speaker 2: That Does it smell delicious?

495
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:54,600
Speaker 1: It smells great and when you get out, your your

496
00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:57,159
Speaker 1: hair and your clothes smell like it. You know, for

497
00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:57,920
Speaker 1: the rest of the day.

498
00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:00,280
Speaker 2: It doesn't fit. It fit well in that easy to

499
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:00,600
Speaker 2: get in it.

500
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:03,399
Speaker 1: Is it is. It's like driving around in a little

501
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:06,240
Speaker 1: metal bubble or a little metal tub. You would fit

502
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:08,760
Speaker 1: in it, for sure, because Magnus and I both fit

503
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,720
Speaker 1: in with our hats and our heels and all that.

504
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 1: And it's it's very charming. And we drove it all

505
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:20,160
Speaker 1: around maulhalland all last weekend. It threw Beverly Hills down

506
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:23,679
Speaker 1: sunset and it's just like the most fun thing to

507
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 1: drive a slow car fast for sure. That's the whole

508
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:28,639
Speaker 1: time I was just thinking, it's way more fun to

509
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:30,720
Speaker 1: drive a slow car fast and a fast car slow.

510
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:33,400
Speaker 2: I think that's a proven fact.

511
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:34,800
Speaker 1: Actually it's a proven fact.

512
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:36,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's definitely true.

513
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:39,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, so we both have new little fun playthings because

514
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:43,119
Speaker 1: you can ring it out, you know. Yeah, And I

515
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:45,440
Speaker 1: think Magnus is still trying to find the edge because

516
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:48,359
Speaker 1: he was he was he was ringing. He was ringing

517
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:50,720
Speaker 1: it heavily on Mahalland.

518
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:51,800
Speaker 2: Can't wait to see a video of that.

519
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's I'm sure it's coming.

520
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:58,960
Speaker 3: Is he gonna tinker with it? Do you know some

521
00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:02,720
Speaker 3: holes in it? Because he does sometimes like those louvers.

522
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:06,199
Speaker 1: Yes, all the loover, I know, the tail lights, all

523
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:08,760
Speaker 1: of that. I think there may be a time when

524
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:11,960
Speaker 1: the bumpers come off. He is an outlaw, so he

525
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:14,959
Speaker 1: is an outlaw. But the thing is, it's really pretty

526
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:18,399
Speaker 1: and it's in very very good condition. This was a

527
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 1: car that was in somebody's shop for twenty years and

528
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:25,040
Speaker 1: the old man died and the sun didn't want it,

529
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:28,240
Speaker 1: and the car was on blocks when we first saw it,

530
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 1: and so we took it to tre Motorsport. They did

531
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:34,159
Speaker 1: it was all there, but the engine was sort of

532
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 1: half disassembled, so tr put it back together. We kind

533
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:41,000
Speaker 1: of didn't know what we were going to get, and

534
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:43,040
Speaker 1: at the time it was like, oh, if this isn't

535
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:46,440
Speaker 1: that great a car, yeah, we might do something to it.

536
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:50,720
Speaker 1: But now it's it's so pretty, Magnus says he might

537
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 1: leave it alone.

538
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:52,440
Speaker 2: Is there a radio?

539
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 1: See?

540
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:57,360
Speaker 2: No, no radio. Do you guys do personalized plates on

541
00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:01,400
Speaker 2: any of your vehicles? Nothing? You just take what DMVs you.

542
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:03,960
Speaker 1: Yeah. I'm not against it, but I've never done that.

543
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 1: I guess I'm too cheap because you have to pay

544
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:06,720
Speaker 1: extra for that, right.

545
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 3: Well, in New York it's only sixty dollars. Oh okay,

546
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:11,760
Speaker 3: So I sometimes I'll order a set of plates and

547
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 3: then change my mind before they come a new set

548
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 3: of plates.

549
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean I would get into it. I've

550
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 1: never done it, but I totally would.

551
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:22,640
Speaker 3: I'm Matt Miller along with Hannah Elliott. You're listening to

552
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:25,960
Speaker 3: Hot Pursuit. We have more coming up after this.

553
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:40,560
Speaker 1: By the way, this is a pivot too. But are

554
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 1: you a Knicks fan?

555
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:42,320
Speaker 2: I am.

556
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 3: I've been a Knicks fan my entire life, and so exciting.

557
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:49,680
Speaker 2: It's so it's so exciting because.

558
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:54,720
Speaker 3: You know, I'm from obviously, I'm from Ohio, so and

559
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:58,440
Speaker 3: I have My favorite football team is from Texas, my

560
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 3: favorite baseball team is from Cincinnati, and my favorite basketball

561
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:07,680
Speaker 3: team has always been the Knicks. If you're from Columbus, Ohio,

562
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:10,520
Speaker 3: you don't have usually a favorite professional team because we

563
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:11,240
Speaker 3: you're just an.

564
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:12,320
Speaker 2: Ohio State Buckeyes fan.

565
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 3: But but I have always loved the Knicks. My favorite

566
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 3: sporting event to watch live has always been basketball, and

567
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:26,080
Speaker 3: the Garden is my favorite place to go and watch

568
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:28,600
Speaker 3: when I do get because tickets are very expensive. Yeah,

569
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:31,520
Speaker 3: and and I like to have good seats, so when

570
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:34,480
Speaker 3: I rarely get tickets, it's like the best night.

571
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:37,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I've it's.

572
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:41,160
Speaker 3: Never bothered me that the Knicks haven't been a championship

573
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:43,800
Speaker 3: winning team, because I've because of that, I've been able

574
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 3: to get you know, Delta club level tickets for only

575
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:48,080
Speaker 3: a couple hundred bucks or whatever.

576
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:50,920
Speaker 2: But I'm so happy for the team. And also the

577
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:51,560
Speaker 2: game was.

578
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:56,000
Speaker 1: Insane, insane? Where are you watching the Are you just

579
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:57,000
Speaker 1: watching the games.

580
00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:57,680
Speaker 2: At home on TV?

581
00:30:57,840 --> 00:30:59,520
Speaker 3: And my wife is all into it too, which is

582
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:03,120
Speaker 3: weird because she's a Spanish like Moto GP fan, so

583
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 3: but for some reason, she I guess because she plays

584
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:09,719
Speaker 3: basketball herself. But so she's she's into it, and then

585
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 3: she'll be watching the game and then she draws me

586
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 3: into it's right, And that come back from a twenty

587
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 3: nine point deficit was just nuts. So I thought like,

588
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 3: all right, let's go to bed.

589
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 1: And yeah, I did not see the game because I

590
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 1: was watching Rod Stewart at the Hollywood Bowl, but of

591
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 1: course I saw every everything about it on social media

592
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 1: and otherwise, and it's so exciting and I'm coming coming

593
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:34,280
Speaker 1: to New York, so I'm going to watch game five,

594
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 1: sweet in the city.

595
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 2: Long. Will you be here for.

596
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:39,720
Speaker 1: A week, so we should, I'll see you. I'll see

597
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 1: you next week. It live in the studio.

598
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:45,720
Speaker 2: I'm looking forward to that me too. Yeah, all right, cool,

599
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:48,520
Speaker 2: you got anything anything else planned? What are you driving anything?

600
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 1: Oh?

601
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:52,440
Speaker 3: I should say, well, a couple of things about cars

602
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:56,040
Speaker 3: I've driven, just quickly. Yes, So last week I was

603
00:31:56,160 --> 00:32:02,840
Speaker 3: driving the BMW five point fifty E and it was

604
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 3: a real big bummer. Why because it's so heavy and

605
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 3: so rolly, and kind of it feels slow, even though

606
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 3: it's super fast. You know, it's still almost five hundred

607
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:20,040
Speaker 3: horsepower and zero sixty in like four seconds, but it

608
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 3: just feels slow and sloppy. And I thought, God, I

609
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 3: hope this isn't what's to come when my M seven

610
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 3: sixty gets here. You know, because I've never driven an

611
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 3: M seven sixty. I didn't even test drive one. I

612
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:37,719
Speaker 3: didn't have a PPI. I went full Magnets Walker on this.

613
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:40,240
Speaker 1: I like the courage.

614
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 3: So that was like a little bit of a disappointment.

615
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 3: Every BMW that I've driven otherwise, I'm historically I'm impressed with,

616
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 3: but this thing. I honestly preferred the five thirty that

617
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 3: I drove, which has only the four cylinder motor, because

618
00:32:57,840 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 3: it felt lighter and more nimble.

619
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:01,600
Speaker 1: Talk to hear that sentence come out of your mouth.

620
00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:04,520
Speaker 3: I know, but yeah, because this one has the inline

621
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 3: six and the hybrid power powertrain, and I don't.

622
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:11,479
Speaker 2: Know, it was just it was just a big bummer.

623
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 1: That is unfortunate to hear. I'm trying, I need to

624
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:20,480
Speaker 1: get into a BMW a gain. I'm trying to think

625
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 1: the last one it might have been a seven series.

626
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 2: I highly recommend an M two CS.

627
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:28,280
Speaker 1: That that seemed to be really your top, wasn't it?

628
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 2: Yes?

629
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:29,480
Speaker 1: In recent and.

630
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 3: Recent okay, or the I mean the new seven series

631
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:37,240
Speaker 3: also is amazing. They're completely different experiences. They're totally different tools,

632
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 3: as you like to say, right, the M two CS

633
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 3: is like a very dangerous scalpel in the hands of

634
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:48,080
Speaker 3: you know, an alcoholic who's shaking, right, because it's a

635
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:51,200
Speaker 3: little bit Oh yeah, it's a little bit scary. And

636
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:54,960
Speaker 3: the new seven series. I haven't driven the new new

637
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 3: seven series, but I did just drive an I seven

638
00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 3: the M I think the M six year, the M

639
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:01,480
Speaker 3: seventy version, and I loved.

640
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:07,400
Speaker 2: The isolation, the light steering, the luxury aspect of the

641
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:08,960
Speaker 2: loads of torque. So they're different.

642
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:12,640
Speaker 3: But I'm impressed by every BMW that I drive, even

643
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:14,799
Speaker 3: the five thirty with a four cylinder, and then this

644
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 3: five point fifty, like really just disappointed me.

645
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:21,719
Speaker 1: That is disappointed. That's disappointing to hear. I just googled it.

646
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:25,480
Speaker 1: The last Beamer I drove was the N five hybrid

647
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:30,880
Speaker 1: last year in Miami. Big, big, and literally I still

648
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:33,360
Speaker 1: remember so many people asking me how heavy is it?

649
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 1: How heavy is it? And it is heavy, but this

650
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:40,959
Speaker 1: car was so so fast it was kind of great,

651
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:42,319
Speaker 1: So you liked it.

652
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:42,960
Speaker 2: I liked it.

653
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:45,719
Speaker 1: I'm not a big sedan person. Yeah, I'm not a

654
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:49,600
Speaker 1: big personally. I don't. I'm not a big sedan person,

655
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 1: although I guess I drive big rolls Royce sedans. But

656
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:57,319
Speaker 1: I mean it's over seven hundred horsepower, which was more

657
00:34:57,360 --> 00:34:57,839
Speaker 1: than enough.

658
00:34:57,920 --> 00:34:58,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, I also drove.

659
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:02,200
Speaker 3: I also drove the and my concern with that thing

660
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 3: was that I was I would look down and realize

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Speaker 3: that I was going.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I remember you saying that way too fast.

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Speaker 1: I think did you have a purple one or was

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Speaker 1: yours a different color?

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Speaker 2: I don't recall the color, and I would I think, remember.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I kind of remember talking about it with you

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Speaker 1: and you saying that. I was just I know, it's

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Speaker 1: really fast, starship rocket.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, I hope hopefully that M five fifty is

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Speaker 3: an anomaly. Or maybe you know, I only.

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Speaker 2: Drove it for a few days. Maybe I just had

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Speaker 2: to get used to it or understand it better.

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Speaker 3: I will say that now I'm test driving a car

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Speaker 3: i've driven before in a different guys, I'm taste driving

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Speaker 3: the Infinity QX eighty, which is the luxury version of

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Speaker 3: the Nissan Armada.

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Speaker 1: Okay, oh, here we go, and.

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Speaker 2: I absolutely love it.

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Speaker 1: What is the price premium over the Armada for the Infiniti.

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Speaker 3: So the Armada that I want. I want the Nissan

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Speaker 3: Armada Nismo Edition, which is eighty thousand dollars, okay, and

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Speaker 3: the this is the sport version of the Infinity QX eighty.

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Speaker 2: So I'm gonna say it's like.

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Speaker 3: It's like the analog to the Nismo, right, I think

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Speaker 3: it's one hundred thousand dollars.

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Speaker 1: Is there any reason why you would buy the Infinity

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Speaker 1: over the Nissan?

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Speaker 2: No? Yeah, zero reason.

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Speaker 1: Well, that's a quick answer.

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Speaker 3: I mean it's obviously it's a it's a slightly nicer

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Speaker 3: car the Infinity, because it has I guess a little bit.

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Speaker 3: It has definitely got better better leather, you know, nicer

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Speaker 3: wood in places that they use. Would it's got a

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Speaker 3: slightly different design that you might like better. I don't,

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Speaker 3: but but I mean I love both of these cars.

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Speaker 3: I just think the way they drive, the way they handle,

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Speaker 3: it reminds you that you're in a body on frame truck.

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Speaker 2: And this is my thing.

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Speaker 3: Like if I want a three seater suv, a big

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Speaker 3: one to carry the whole family, the dogs, the luggage,

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00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 3: the nanny and everything. If it's a unibody like my

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Speaker 3: GLS or you know, many the all the other German ones.

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00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:33,280
Speaker 3: It just takes a beating on these roads and after

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Speaker 3: two or three years it's just destroyed.

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Speaker 2: So that's why if.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to get a big sub like that, I

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Speaker 3: want it to be a body on frame like a

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Speaker 3: Chevy Suburban or you know, a Cadillac Escalade or this.

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00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 3: And in fact, the Chevy Suburban and the Cadallac Escalade,

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00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:52,239
Speaker 3: they try to make them feel like cars, so that,

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Speaker 3: you know, moms taking kids to soccer don't feel like

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00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:58,360
Speaker 3: they're in a completely different vehicle.

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Speaker 2: The Nissans and the.

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Speaker 3: Toyotas of the world are based on these global platforms

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Speaker 3: like the patrol you know, or the high Lux that

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00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:11,680
Speaker 3: need to be able to carry like, you know, soldiers

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Speaker 3: with RPGs on their shoulders through the desert, and so

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Speaker 3: they have to be indestructible, so they feel like trucks

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Speaker 3: as well.

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Speaker 2: You like that, like you, I love it, love it.

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Speaker 1: I do love the idea of a thing being it's itself.

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Speaker 1: You know, if it's a truck, it feels like a truck.

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Speaker 3: That's great, it's great, and it doesn't even like, uh,

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00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:39,400
Speaker 3: these the Nissan and the Infinity, they don't have a

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00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:41,160
Speaker 3: V eight anymore. They got rid of that, and now

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Speaker 3: they have a three and a half liter of V

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00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:46,239
Speaker 3: six twin turbo, which is the kind of this is.

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Speaker 3: This is the betrayal that I felt when Raptor went

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Speaker 3: to that after I think twenty fifteen. But in this truck,

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Speaker 3: it works, it's fast.

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Speaker 1: Now, why did you not consider instead of getting a

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Speaker 1: BMW Sedan, just getting a second SUV because there.

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Speaker 2: We have two giant SUVs.

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Speaker 3: And also I want to be able to really rip

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Speaker 3: it around corners, and these things they definitely feel like

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Speaker 3: they're gonna flip over.

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Speaker 2: Okay, you know if you're.

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Speaker 3: Getting off the Cross County Parkway onto the Henry Hudson

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Speaker 3: like it's.

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00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:22,280
Speaker 1: Saying there's some body roll.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it'll tip, which I don't mind body roll in

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Speaker 3: a big in a big truck, right, That's how a

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00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:27,840
Speaker 3: big truck is.

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Speaker 1: Supposed to be physics at the end of the day.

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Speaker 3: But also everybody wants a big SUV in America, so

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Speaker 3: they don't really depreciate even like a Nissan or Infinity

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Speaker 3: that doesn't You don't see sixty six percent depreciation the way.

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Speaker 2: I did with this BMW.

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Speaker 3: So that's why that's another reason that pushed me towards

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Speaker 3: the German limousine.

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00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:51,240
Speaker 1: I really hope you like your German limousine.

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00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:52,399
Speaker 2: I hope I like it too.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, great to hear.

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00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:57,799
Speaker 2: All right, I guess that's uh. That's all we got

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Speaker 2: for that.

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Speaker 1: That's all we got.

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Speaker 2: I'm looking forward to seeing you next.

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Speaker 1: I can't wait to get to the city. I cannot wait.

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Speaker 1: I think the vibes are immaculate, as they say, all.

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Speaker 2: Right, you do the whole part where it says.

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Speaker 1: Okay, uh, do we want to do some call outs

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Speaker 1: like just go straight through?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I just go do it?

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