WEBVTT - QLS Presents First Musical Memories Part 2 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:10.080 Quest Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. Good People, 0:00:10.119 --> 0:00:12.160 Good People, What's up? Welcome back to Part two of 0:00:12.280 --> 0:00:16.239 QLs Musical Memories. I'm your host quest Love and I've 0:00:16.239 --> 0:00:20.119 asked his questions to hundreds, truly hundreds of people. You 0:00:20.160 --> 0:00:23.200 haven't checked out Part one, now's the time, but right now, 0:00:23.200 --> 0:00:27.400 here's part two. This one has a series of unique answers. Also, 0:00:27.920 --> 0:00:30.840 every one of these episodes are available to stream wherever 0:00:30.960 --> 0:00:34.360 you get your podcasts and on the iHeart app. Right 0:00:34.400 --> 0:00:36.159 about now, we're going to start with one of my 0:00:36.440 --> 0:00:40.960 musical heroes. All right, this guy man drummer of the 0:00:40.960 --> 0:00:43.879 Average White Band. He's drummed on so many records by 0:00:44.000 --> 0:00:49.320 Shaka Khan and Just the God. This is Steve Farhon. 0:00:50.000 --> 0:00:53.520 He shared a story about tap dancing. Ironically, that's all 0:00:53.640 --> 0:00:56.280 I also got into drumming, you know, I had to 0:00:56.320 --> 0:00:59.560 learn to tap dance first, coordinate my feet. And he 0:00:59.600 --> 0:01:02.840 taught us also about how tab dancing taught him about 0:01:02.920 --> 0:01:06.600 race and culture living in Brighton, England. So let's go 0:01:06.680 --> 0:01:11.959 back to twenty twenty two with the great Steve FERRONI can. 0:01:11.880 --> 0:01:15.720 You tell me what your first musical memory was? 0:01:17.520 --> 0:01:21.600 Well, you know what, I was told. 0:01:22.920 --> 0:01:25.840 Was that I used to sit in the high chair 0:01:26.200 --> 0:01:29.600 and we didn't have TV back then. We had radio, okay, 0:01:29.959 --> 0:01:32.200 And I'd sit in the high chair with my spoon 0:01:32.440 --> 0:01:34.800 eating and then some music would come on and I'd 0:01:34.800 --> 0:01:38.480 start banging my spoon on the on the on the 0:01:38.560 --> 0:01:41.080 high chair, on the table there to just keep in 0:01:41.120 --> 0:01:43.319 time with whatever music was on the radio. And that's 0:01:43.440 --> 0:01:47.560 was when they decided that my grand my grandma, my grandmother, 0:01:47.600 --> 0:01:51.080 and my mother decided that I needed to channel that 0:01:51.080 --> 0:01:54.600 that ability somewhere. So my grandmother was a big fan 0:01:54.680 --> 0:02:01.040 of tap dancing. She loved Fred Astaire and Jim Kelly 0:02:01.720 --> 0:02:04.520 and Tic Tac Toe and those guys. She was aware 0:02:04.520 --> 0:02:06.960 of them, and so she sent me the tap dancing 0:02:07.040 --> 0:02:08.680 school when I was better, as soon as I could, 0:02:09.160 --> 0:02:10.120 about three years old. 0:02:10.520 --> 0:02:13.400 Yeah, I was going to say, I just discovered that 0:02:13.520 --> 0:02:15.680 about you maybe a week ago when I was doing 0:02:15.680 --> 0:02:19.040 my research, and that's kind of my entry. 0:02:19.800 --> 0:02:20.040 And too. 0:02:20.160 --> 0:02:20.560 Drums. 0:02:20.600 --> 0:02:23.800 I went to perform in art school in the first grade, 0:02:24.200 --> 0:02:27.920 and it was one of those situations where you go 0:02:27.960 --> 0:02:31.280 to your drum lesson and the drums are right there 0:02:31.720 --> 0:02:33.320 and you're sort of like, let me at him, let 0:02:33.400 --> 0:02:35.720 me at him, and they're like nope, and they point 0:02:35.760 --> 0:02:38.480 to a practice pad on the corner, and you got 0:02:38.520 --> 0:02:40.800 to learn, like your roommate's like, it's almost like I 0:02:40.840 --> 0:02:42.679 had to practice to work my way up to the 0:02:42.760 --> 0:02:48.240 drum set. But even before I got to the practice pad, Yeah, 0:02:48.400 --> 0:02:53.639 I had to take tap dance. So yeah, yeah, all 0:02:53.639 --> 0:02:56.360 that bojangles me and my shadow like like I was, 0:02:56.440 --> 0:02:58.440 I was a hoofer, Like. 0:03:00.040 --> 0:03:02.400 Were you good at it? That was pretty good at it? 0:03:02.680 --> 0:03:04.240 Yeah, that was pretty good at it. 0:03:04.680 --> 0:03:05.920 I want medals and stuff. 0:03:06.680 --> 0:03:09.799 Really, can you can you still hoof now? Or is 0:03:09.840 --> 0:03:11.200 that I. 0:03:11.200 --> 0:03:16.520 Had a neat replacement that light on my feet anymore? 0:03:16.560 --> 0:03:18.919 But I could probably, I can probably I can do 0:03:18.960 --> 0:03:20.680 a timestep still, Okay. 0:03:20.840 --> 0:03:24.919 Yeah, Like around around maybe nine, age nine or age ten. 0:03:24.840 --> 0:03:27.880 I kind of eased out of that and just became 0:03:27.919 --> 0:03:29.120 strictly like music. 0:03:29.960 --> 0:03:31.480 Well, you know, I have. 0:03:31.520 --> 0:03:35.400 To say my first, like my moment that you had, 0:03:35.400 --> 0:03:37.320 that you said that you had with Average White Band, 0:03:38.320 --> 0:03:42.760 I had when I was about five years old. My 0:03:42.840 --> 0:03:44.480 parents used to take me. They used to take me. 0:03:44.520 --> 0:03:47.080 We had this I guess you call it Vaudeville or 0:03:47.080 --> 0:03:50.280 something like that. Vaudeville there was a theater called the 0:03:50.360 --> 0:03:56.000 Hippodrome and the Beatles played there actually, so it's kind 0:03:56.000 --> 0:03:58.520 of Bingo Hall now I think it is. But this 0:03:58.640 --> 0:04:01.400 is one of those theaters got sort of neglected and 0:04:01.880 --> 0:04:05.680 sort of let go little theater and uh and and 0:04:05.920 --> 0:04:08.120 they used to take me there to see these shows 0:04:08.400 --> 0:04:14.560 and and you know, usually it was comedians and pantomime 0:04:14.600 --> 0:04:18.440 at Christmas and stuff. And they took me there to 0:04:18.480 --> 0:04:21.160 see this show. And there was a band. There was 0:04:21.200 --> 0:04:25.960 a band, a close harmony group called the Deep River Boys. 0:04:25.640 --> 0:04:27.640 Deep from Brooklyn. 0:04:28.520 --> 0:04:31.359 Oh really okay, and they were very very big on 0:04:31.880 --> 0:04:36.200 Radio Luxembourg. Was was where you would where people would 0:04:36.240 --> 0:04:38.479 go to to listen to something other than the BBC, 0:04:38.600 --> 0:04:42.120 because the BBC used to just play classical music and 0:04:42.160 --> 0:04:44.120 it wasn't they didn't play anything at all, you know. 0:04:44.200 --> 0:04:47.200 So you go to Radio Luxembourg and you tune into 0:04:47.279 --> 0:04:50.080 Radio Luxembourg and they had a show on there and 0:04:50.080 --> 0:04:53.160 and I guess they also was it was also a 0:04:53.200 --> 0:04:55.880 show that was that was that was good for like uh, 0:04:56.520 --> 0:04:59.080 the the American forces were all over Europe at that point. 0:04:59.080 --> 0:05:01.920 They had the basis of France and Germany and and 0:05:02.040 --> 0:05:04.960 uh and and so they used to be on that 0:05:05.120 --> 0:05:08.359 on on the American Forces Broadcasting. But they had a 0:05:08.400 --> 0:05:11.760 regular show on this on this and they on Radio 0:05:11.839 --> 0:05:15.880 Luxembourg and they appeared at the Hippodron. So my parents 0:05:15.920 --> 0:05:19.080 took me down there and they did maybe it was 0:05:19.160 --> 0:05:21.720 kind of like gospel music, but I'd never heard anything 0:05:21.800 --> 0:05:24.120 like that, and I got really excited and started dancing 0:05:24.160 --> 0:05:28.120 around in the in the audience listening to this music 0:05:28.240 --> 0:05:28.960 is like, what's this? 0:05:29.080 --> 0:05:29.279 You know? 0:05:30.040 --> 0:05:30.160 Oh? 0:05:30.200 --> 0:05:30.440 Wow? 0:05:30.839 --> 0:05:32.760 Well is that ehen you find vanilla ice cream? You 0:05:32.760 --> 0:05:34.720 give a vanilla I skream to a baby first time 0:05:34.760 --> 0:05:36.159 they have it, They're like, why didn't you give me 0:05:36.200 --> 0:05:36.680 this before? 0:05:36.720 --> 0:05:36.880 You know? 0:05:36.920 --> 0:05:40.240 You get this baby food? Why where was this vanilla 0:05:40.320 --> 0:05:40.680 ice cream? 0:05:40.720 --> 0:05:40.840 Well? 0:05:40.839 --> 0:05:43.679 That was what what what I got with from their music, 0:05:44.480 --> 0:05:47.880 And they sent them manager there too me and they 0:05:48.160 --> 0:05:50.560 brought me backstage and befriended, befriended me. 0:05:51.040 --> 0:05:54.120 They made me Deep River Boys number six, and that 0:05:54.520 --> 0:05:56.760 was the time. That was when I found out that 0:05:56.839 --> 0:06:02.440 I was black. Oh word, okay, yeah, I had no idea. 0:06:02.760 --> 0:06:06.920 I had no idea that I was black until I 0:06:07.000 --> 0:06:09.640 went and saw these guys. And they took me back 0:06:09.720 --> 0:06:11.839 back to my parents, my grand my mom and my 0:06:11.880 --> 0:06:14.760 grandmother took me backstage to meet them, you know, with 0:06:14.880 --> 0:06:17.920 the they I've been invited back and I looked at 0:06:17.960 --> 0:06:20.000 these guys and they were six foot tall, which was 0:06:20.440 --> 0:06:24.560 then back then was gigantic, was a giant. And I said, 0:06:25.279 --> 0:06:31.159 I wish I could be black black you guys, back 0:06:31.200 --> 0:06:34.880 then we never said black was colored because it was disrespectful. 0:06:34.960 --> 0:06:38.240 It was disrespectful to say black black. Then I wish 0:06:38.240 --> 0:06:39.120 I was colored like you. 0:06:39.680 --> 0:06:43.400 And this guy Harry Douglas, who I stayed in touch 0:06:43.400 --> 0:06:46.200 with for years, he passed away sometimes sometime ago. 0:06:46.960 --> 0:06:48.599 Oh, you maintained a friendship with him. 0:06:48.839 --> 0:06:50.480 Yes, all through the years. 0:06:50.560 --> 0:06:52.360 Yes, it was just amazing. 0:06:53.080 --> 0:06:56.240 And uh and there the first Americans that you interacted 0:06:56.279 --> 0:06:57.000 with as well. 0:06:57.200 --> 0:06:59.800 Yes, how weird was it to hear? Did they have 0:07:00.000 --> 0:07:00.760 an accent to you? 0:07:01.520 --> 0:07:04.159 I didn't even know. I was just like, I was 0:07:04.200 --> 0:07:06.320 just so sweet. I mean that's how they sang. And 0:07:06.360 --> 0:07:10.400 they sang, they sang like, yeah, we heard. It seemed 0:07:10.440 --> 0:07:12.800 like we sort of heard about America. 0:07:13.160 --> 0:07:14.800 I think we had TV by then, So there a 0:07:14.840 --> 0:07:17.080 couple of TV series that we've seen, not much of 0:07:17.120 --> 0:07:19.760 a TV little thing like this black bohite thing, right, 0:07:20.560 --> 0:07:23.360 But but Harry Douglas looked at me and he and 0:07:23.400 --> 0:07:25.080 he said to me, he says, you know, tonight I'm 0:07:25.080 --> 0:07:28.080 going to cast a spell. And when you wake up 0:07:28.120 --> 0:07:29.920 tomorrow morning, you go look in the mirror and you 0:07:30.400 --> 0:07:36.200 and you'll be you'll be colored like we are. Sleep. 0:07:36.320 --> 0:07:38.160 I went to sleep, and then I got up and 0:07:38.200 --> 0:07:40.720 I went to the mirror, and yes, it was. 0:07:44.400 --> 0:07:45.400 Anything more about it. 0:07:48.800 --> 0:07:50.400 Oh god, that's a great story. 0:07:50.480 --> 0:07:55.040 Yeah, all right, that was Steve Farona, the average white band. Uh, 0:07:55.120 --> 0:07:59.240 he's played with so many giants. Next up, another great storyteller. 0:08:00.040 --> 0:08:01.680 You know, we gave our flowers to the one and 0:08:01.720 --> 0:08:07.000 only Tevin Campbell. What was your first musical memory in life? 0:08:08.560 --> 0:08:13.080 My aunt giving me the Amazing Grace album, the Franklin 0:08:13.120 --> 0:08:14.560 Mazin Grace album on the vinyl. 0:08:15.480 --> 0:08:17.200 She gave that to me when I was I think 0:08:17.920 --> 0:08:18.200 I was. 0:08:18.320 --> 0:08:23.880 That was the first album that I listened to continuously. 0:08:24.800 --> 0:08:27.600 Ah, I think I was maybe eight or nine. She 0:08:27.680 --> 0:08:28.600 gave it to you. 0:08:28.720 --> 0:08:32.200 So her version of Holy Holy is just like, come on, man, 0:08:32.240 --> 0:08:33.000 what were we talking about? 0:08:33.320 --> 0:08:36.480 Well, her version of Amazing Grace is, Yeah, it's incredible. 0:08:36.600 --> 0:08:39.480 I mean though the song was written by Amon, I 0:08:39.480 --> 0:08:43.079 didn't know that till years after a couple of years ago, 0:08:43.120 --> 0:08:43.520 I learned that. 0:08:43.559 --> 0:08:47.600 But anyway, she like, no, yeah, yeah, it does, it does. 0:08:48.440 --> 0:08:51.360 What was it like for you to see the film 0:08:51.440 --> 0:08:54.240 version of that after having lived with it so long? 0:08:55.000 --> 0:08:58.520 You mean you mean the her refas film version? 0:08:58.600 --> 0:09:01.800 She you know, when she was a she they tried 0:09:01.840 --> 0:09:04.360 to bring it out maybe like you know, like twenty 0:09:04.440 --> 0:09:07.400 years ago, and because of some sort of contractual dispute, 0:09:08.280 --> 0:09:10.280 she didn't allow it, so of course she had to 0:09:10.320 --> 0:09:10.920 pass away. 0:09:11.160 --> 0:09:14.280 Were you able to see the documentary or the concert 0:09:14.679 --> 0:09:15.320 the film. 0:09:16.360 --> 0:09:20.160 The Amazing Grace Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, sorry, yeah. 0:09:20.360 --> 0:09:22.760 I thought it was beautiful in a point in her 0:09:22.800 --> 0:09:25.680 life where she was very happy, not that she wasn't 0:09:25.720 --> 0:09:27.679 happy at any point in her life, but she was glowing, 0:09:27.840 --> 0:09:31.280 and she was she had this afro and it was 0:09:31.360 --> 0:09:35.000 just beautiful, man, And you know, seeing her in her element, 0:09:35.600 --> 0:09:37.120 I think it was the. 0:09:37.040 --> 0:09:40.040 Most beautiful thing. I think that people were touched by 0:09:40.200 --> 0:09:41.160 seeing that film. 0:09:40.920 --> 0:09:43.000 Because you don't a lot of people don't know that 0:09:43.040 --> 0:09:45.480 she sat and played that pid piano a lot of 0:09:45.480 --> 0:09:47.160 the songs that. 0:09:47.280 --> 0:09:49.160 She did, and a lot of songs on an Amazing Grace. 0:09:49.000 --> 0:09:51.400 Album too, So to see her sitting there in her element, 0:09:51.440 --> 0:09:52.480 playing behind her and singing. 0:09:52.559 --> 0:09:54.080 It's just amazing all the time. 0:09:54.200 --> 0:09:58.360 So that most people don't know that she's like just 0:09:58.400 --> 0:09:59.600 as good as a piano player. 0:09:59.679 --> 0:10:00.000 She is. 0:10:00.040 --> 0:10:03.480 Yeah, it's important for people to see that. 0:10:04.640 --> 0:10:09.000 Here's Bernadette Cooper of Climax. Can you tell me what 0:10:09.040 --> 0:10:11.200 your first musical memory was? 0:10:12.440 --> 0:10:16.720 Wow, when you say musical memory like. 0:10:17.120 --> 0:10:20.360 Band that I now just from as a baby, Like 0:10:20.400 --> 0:10:24.880 what like the very first musical memory as a child. 0:10:25.880 --> 0:10:29.440 Of course, you know, Aretha Franklin was my was my 0:10:29.720 --> 0:10:33.040 played in my household when there was happy times, when 0:10:33.080 --> 0:10:35.840 they were sad times. So Rita was a person that 0:10:35.920 --> 0:10:40.199 I used to listen to and follow her lyrics and 0:10:40.320 --> 0:10:43.920 her and her vocal movements and her hooks, and and 0:10:43.960 --> 0:10:48.320 it made me a better writer by the Rita Franklin songs. 0:10:48.360 --> 0:10:55.720 And then of course moving on Dio Daddo, Remember Dio Daddo. Yeah, yeah, 0:10:55.760 --> 0:10:58.880 it was a little bit of all those guys. Jeff Beck, 0:10:59.440 --> 0:11:01.760 you know, I really got into that scene and kind 0:11:01.760 --> 0:11:04.640 of in the high school, junior high school era. 0:11:04.760 --> 0:11:06.840 But yeah, I would. 0:11:06.600 --> 0:11:11.240 Say, what was your first musical memory? 0:11:12.240 --> 0:11:16.559 My dad, my father, we were in a in a 0:11:16.679 --> 0:11:20.720 yard in the backyard in Outlan HALLI school, small little town, 0:11:21.520 --> 0:11:23.880 and it was like five o'clock in the afternoon. Everything's 0:11:24.120 --> 0:11:26.079 kind of gives gold you know, when the sound goes down, 0:11:26.120 --> 0:11:29.080 everything looks golden. And my father he was over there 0:11:29.120 --> 0:11:31.000 teaching me how to read and one of me teaching 0:11:31.000 --> 0:11:33.160 me how to play the violin. So he happened, opened 0:11:33.200 --> 0:11:36.199 up the violin case rather the violin put it put 0:11:36.240 --> 0:11:38.760 it up here like this, and then he goes. 0:11:38.679 --> 0:11:45.320 Meta, which means look meta. Then he went and I'm 0:11:45.360 --> 0:11:46.880 like what. And then a bird. 0:11:46.760 --> 0:11:49.360 Comes over this, a little lance lance on this street, 0:11:49.400 --> 0:11:55.680 and he was he goes best, do you see? He 0:11:55.679 --> 0:11:57.280 goes bess one more time? 0:12:01.480 --> 0:12:02.080 Bird. 0:12:03.600 --> 0:12:06.000 If you could talk to the birds, you could talk 0:12:06.040 --> 0:12:06.520 to people. 0:12:06.960 --> 0:12:07.360 Get it. 0:12:08.400 --> 0:12:15.880 And I was like, and that was Carlos Santana. And 0:12:15.920 --> 0:12:18.400 you can add bird calls to as many talents. 0:12:18.840 --> 0:12:18.960 Oh. 0:12:19.040 --> 0:12:24.200 Speaking of which, wow, here's Mars day. Maris, what was 0:12:24.200 --> 0:12:26.400 your what was your first musical memory? 0:12:27.480 --> 0:12:28.400 It went way. 0:12:28.240 --> 0:12:32.280 Back, you know, because I kind of just came into 0:12:32.320 --> 0:12:35.559 the world with the notion that I was going to 0:12:35.640 --> 0:12:41.680 be involved with music, you know, born in fifty six, 0:12:41.880 --> 0:12:45.920 you know, and I can remember listening to the Beatles 0:12:45.960 --> 0:12:50.000 on our little am radio that we had, and you know, 0:12:50.120 --> 0:12:53.640 then later remember doing you know the James Brown running 0:12:53.640 --> 0:12:54.120 around my. 0:12:54.520 --> 0:12:57.280 You know, the house in the projects and fruit of 0:12:57.320 --> 0:12:59.880 the looms on doing the splits, trying to do James 0:13:00.080 --> 0:13:03.280 round and all that, and then sixty four comes around. 0:13:03.960 --> 0:13:06.120 We were one of the first you know, let you 0:13:06.160 --> 0:13:08.400 know how what priorities were back then, but we had 0:13:08.440 --> 0:13:12.480 one of the first color TVs in the projects all that. 0:13:13.280 --> 0:13:16.840 Back then, I was watching Bandstand Man, and I'm watching 0:13:17.760 --> 0:13:21.040 the Supremes at four tops, you know, all these motown 0:13:21.160 --> 0:13:25.080 acts on Bandstand and I was like, that's what I 0:13:25.120 --> 0:13:25.920 want to do, you know. 0:13:26.080 --> 0:13:29.720 So those were my early memories, you know, of music. 0:13:29.760 --> 0:13:31.280 But I just it was just in. 0:13:31.160 --> 0:13:40.679 My blood, all right. So you know, last episode in 0:13:40.760 --> 0:13:43.880 part one of this compilation, I gave you one musical memory. 0:13:44.440 --> 0:13:47.840 Part two, I'll give you another musical memory. Jimmy Jam 0:13:48.520 --> 0:13:51.080 would make fun of me during the pandemic when I 0:13:51.120 --> 0:13:52.960 was like DJ and online and you can read the 0:13:53.000 --> 0:13:58.360 comments as you DJ. Jimmy Jam always noticed that I 0:13:58.400 --> 0:14:03.840 would let the listeners know when a particular song scared 0:14:03.880 --> 0:14:06.920 me in my childhood, and I realized that I never 0:14:07.160 --> 0:14:11.400 liked songs that had a modulation in it, like whenever 0:14:11.440 --> 0:14:15.440 there's a dramatic key change. I was never a fan 0:14:15.520 --> 0:14:19.400 of that, Like it just sounded scary, real scary, And 0:14:19.440 --> 0:14:25.000 that's how it's always been great. Example Aretha Franklin's classic 0:14:25.040 --> 0:14:29.240 covering of Bobby Woomex I'm in Love. There's like a 0:14:29.280 --> 0:14:32.280 moment where there's like a bridge and then they go 0:14:32.480 --> 0:14:38.200 to this modulation key change, and then Eric Martin and 0:14:38.280 --> 0:14:43.760 Jerry Wexler put extra extra reverb on Aretha's voice, and 0:14:44.760 --> 0:14:49.280 you know, like I now know like gospel singing sort 0:14:49.280 --> 0:14:54.400 of comes from pain and whatnot. But yeah, I don't know. 0:14:54.680 --> 0:14:56.880 Just to my four year old ears, man, I don't 0:14:56.920 --> 0:14:59.440 know if it sounds like she was being murdered or whatever. 0:14:59.720 --> 0:15:03.680 So that's like a scary moment to hear. But also 0:15:04.640 --> 0:15:09.200 the beginning of me not liking modulation starts once again 0:15:09.200 --> 0:15:13.840 in my childhood. Three years old. Yeah, someone called child 0:15:13.960 --> 0:15:17.920 services for all the shit that happened during my third 0:15:18.000 --> 0:15:21.720 year of life. My sister and I are staying in 0:15:22.040 --> 0:15:25.720 Alta Dina, California, in my aunt's house while my parents 0:15:25.720 --> 0:15:30.120 are recording the Congress Alley album, the same Congress Alley 0:15:30.160 --> 0:15:33.400 album that Doctor dre used on a nothing but a 0:15:33.440 --> 0:15:36.360 g thing. I mentioned that a few times, my parents 0:15:36.440 --> 0:15:39.520 being a sample of those voices in the hook. 0:15:39.920 --> 0:15:41.640 Oh yeah. 0:15:41.720 --> 0:15:46.800 Anyway, So again in a bathtub, taking a bath, get 0:15:46.840 --> 0:15:51.240 out the bath and rambunctious two year old. I'm just 0:15:51.320 --> 0:15:54.720 running around, running around, and I slip and fall and 0:15:54.760 --> 0:15:59.760 I land kind of on my left side on our 0:16:00.080 --> 0:16:03.560 hot radiator. And the radiator has to be especially like 0:16:03.560 --> 0:16:05.640 back in the day radiators. Like now we have like 0:16:06.400 --> 0:16:10.920 you know, thermostats, and usually the heat comes from you know, 0:16:11.000 --> 0:16:13.920 like ventilators that are in the sky. But back in 0:16:13.960 --> 0:16:16.440 the day, man, they used to be on the ground, 0:16:16.560 --> 0:16:19.080 and they used to be burning and hot, like thinking 0:16:19.120 --> 0:16:21.120 of the equivalent of like an iron, just put an 0:16:21.160 --> 0:16:24.120 iron on and then just touch an iron, like that's 0:16:24.160 --> 0:16:27.400 how houses were heated back in the early seventies. And 0:16:27.480 --> 0:16:32.560 I slipped and my entire leg hits the radiator, and 0:16:33.200 --> 0:16:35.840 according to my sister, I think I had like second 0:16:35.840 --> 0:16:40.960 degree burns, but I was just screaming in pain. But 0:16:41.480 --> 0:16:44.760 right when this was happening, Soul Train was on and 0:16:44.840 --> 0:16:48.160 Curtis Mayfield was doing Freddy's Dead And there's a part 0:16:48.240 --> 0:16:51.720 in the middle of Freddy's Dead where they just briefly 0:16:52.880 --> 0:16:57.760 go to C sharp minor and a bunch of trombones 0:16:58.760 --> 0:17:04.959 and trumpets have the plunger, you know, like when New 0:17:05.119 --> 0:17:08.920 Orleans band uses the plunger, like that sort of thing, 0:17:08.960 --> 0:17:13.280 and they're doing that line and Freddy's Dead man. 0:17:14.560 --> 0:17:16.120 And ah Man. 0:17:16.320 --> 0:17:19.800 I was never a fan of C sharp. C sharp 0:17:20.240 --> 0:17:22.359 minor is one of the keys that I don't like, 0:17:22.359 --> 0:17:25.600 Like when something scary happens in the movies or whatever, 0:17:25.840 --> 0:17:28.000 like that's the that's the key I don't want to 0:17:28.040 --> 0:17:31.199 hear for some reason. But any song that had a 0:17:31.200 --> 0:17:34.399 modulation after that I was not a fan of. Maybe 0:17:34.440 --> 0:17:37.280 with the exception. The only one that passed that test, 0:17:37.320 --> 0:17:41.840 I'll say was Stevie Wonder's Golden Lady, which used to, 0:17:42.640 --> 0:17:45.480 you know, at the end of the song, every four 0:17:45.600 --> 0:17:48.920 bars it would just go higher and hire and hire. 0:17:49.119 --> 0:17:56.240 So that's another distinctive memory from my childhood. What was 0:17:56.280 --> 0:17:58.439 your first musical memory in life? 0:17:58.960 --> 0:17:59.639 The Beatles. 0:18:00.280 --> 0:18:02.760 I was two years old, and it's the first not 0:18:02.840 --> 0:18:09.280 only musical memory, it's my first memory. I would imagine 0:18:09.359 --> 0:18:13.159 the thought. I almost vaguely think I remember a picture 0:18:13.160 --> 0:18:16.640 of my father being banished from my life my biological father. 0:18:17.320 --> 0:18:18.960 But obviously I would have suppressed that if it was 0:18:18.960 --> 0:18:22.520 a negative emotion. But at the age of two, I remember. 0:18:22.880 --> 0:18:26.800 She loves you, yeah, yeah, and oh you. 0:18:28.720 --> 0:18:29.560 No no no, no no. 0:18:29.760 --> 0:18:31.800 If you don't understand, I want to hold your hand, 0:18:31.840 --> 0:18:35.520 and she loves you. That that is the earliest memory 0:18:35.560 --> 0:18:37.840 I have. And I just think it's so awesome that 0:18:38.160 --> 0:18:42.000 it was a musical memory as well, because nothing you 0:18:42.040 --> 0:18:44.439 know that that was the music that woke up my 0:18:44.520 --> 0:18:47.080 consciousness to the fact that I was existing in that life. 0:18:48.240 --> 0:18:50.160 So that was my first memory. 0:18:50.440 --> 0:18:54.800 I also remember seeing Breakfast at Tiffany's on television when 0:18:54.840 --> 0:18:58.640 it came on in nineteen sixty four, I think also too, 0:18:59.240 --> 0:19:04.000 or somewhere around thereabouts. And I remember my mother buying 0:19:04.040 --> 0:19:08.040 me some Batman cards because that was my first hero 0:19:08.280 --> 0:19:11.600 was Batman. So those memories around the same time. They 0:19:11.640 --> 0:19:13.440 were all the East Ards New Jersey memories. 0:19:15.040 --> 0:19:20.440 And that was the great Sanata Matreya from our twenty 0:19:20.480 --> 0:19:22.879 twenty four to one on one interview, and this is 0:19:22.960 --> 0:19:26.440 John oots back in twenty twenty two with a really 0:19:26.520 --> 0:19:29.840 touching memory of my father's music. Hope you enjoy it. 0:19:31.280 --> 0:19:33.560 Do you know your first musical memory was. 0:19:33.920 --> 0:19:35.919 I sure do. I absolutely do. 0:19:37.280 --> 0:19:40.560 Right after we moved to Pennsylvania, there was a place 0:19:40.680 --> 0:19:44.160 not too far away called Willa Grove Amusement Park. Okay, 0:19:44.200 --> 0:19:47.400 and now it was an airbase as well, but anyway, 0:19:48.000 --> 0:19:50.280 at the time it was an amusement park and my 0:19:50.640 --> 0:19:54.400 folks took me there and Bill Haley and the Comments 0:19:54.480 --> 0:19:57.840 were playing in the band show. And I don't know 0:19:57.840 --> 0:20:00.800 if you remember, but Bill Haley was from Camden, of course, 0:20:01.200 --> 0:20:05.640 and so I was like I was probably four maybe, 0:20:05.920 --> 0:20:07.879 and of course, you know, I had had this musical 0:20:07.920 --> 0:20:09.760 sensibility at the time, even though though I was a 0:20:09.760 --> 0:20:10.280 little kid. 0:20:10.640 --> 0:20:12.600 And I remember running down to the stage. 0:20:12.680 --> 0:20:15.040 It was the band show, so the stage was only 0:20:15.119 --> 0:20:18.360 maybe two feet high, and I remember being this little 0:20:18.440 --> 0:20:20.320 kid and I ran right down to the band shell. 0:20:20.760 --> 0:20:21.520 And I remember the. 0:20:22.119 --> 0:20:25.480 Bass player, the upright bass player. At one point in 0:20:25.480 --> 0:20:28.320 the show, he rode his bass like a horse, and 0:20:29.200 --> 0:20:31.879 I thought that was the most amazing things I'd ever seen. 0:20:32.240 --> 0:20:34.320 And that actually the first live music I ever heard 0:20:34.440 --> 0:20:35.440 was Rock around the Clock. 0:20:35.520 --> 0:20:37.960 And and uh, you know Bill Haley in the. 0:20:37.880 --> 0:20:43.480 Comets really, so they were just performing at the. 0:20:42.680 --> 0:20:45.160 They were in the they were performing at the Amusement Park. 0:20:45.240 --> 0:20:49.000 Yeah, I was going to say, I think I believe 0:20:49.240 --> 0:20:54.080 that I too saw a latter day Bill Haley Beforemat. 0:20:54.840 --> 0:20:56.800 Then we used to we we had something called the 0:20:56.840 --> 0:20:57.480 Steel Pier. 0:20:57.880 --> 0:20:59.800 Oh yeah, I played at the Steel Pier. 0:21:00.480 --> 0:21:02.720 Yeah, still here in a Lank City. It was in 0:21:02.840 --> 0:21:04.439 Lank City, right or wild Wood Yep. 0:21:04.280 --> 0:21:05.399 No, it was in Atlantic City. 0:21:05.480 --> 0:21:08.680 And when I was a really little kid, around five 0:21:08.760 --> 0:21:12.160 or six, I sang at something called Tony Grant Stars 0:21:12.200 --> 0:21:14.720 of Tomorrow, which was a kitty. 0:21:15.920 --> 0:21:17.600 Talent show at the Steel Pier. 0:21:18.480 --> 0:21:21.200 In my dating myself, I had mentioned the word Al Alberts. 0:21:21.240 --> 0:21:23.800 Where you do you remember the Al albert show case 0:21:23.800 --> 0:21:24.120 at all? 0:21:24.320 --> 0:21:25.239 Yeah? Yeah, it was. 0:21:25.320 --> 0:21:27.040 It was around that time, and there was a guy 0:21:27.119 --> 0:21:30.679 and it was actually before Dick Clark took over Bandstand 0:21:31.200 --> 0:21:34.159 and it was what was his name? There was a 0:21:34.160 --> 0:21:36.840 different host before Dick Clark, but it was during that 0:21:36.880 --> 0:21:37.520 period of time. 0:21:37.520 --> 0:21:38.960 It was in the mid fifties. 0:21:39.640 --> 0:21:42.119 And uh so you you were there for like the 0:21:42.840 --> 0:21:44.440 do Op era of Philadelphia. 0:21:45.200 --> 0:21:48.600 Yeah, du Op and Jerry Blavitt and all that stuff. 0:21:48.680 --> 0:21:50.480 Jerry Blavitt was a big hero of mine. 0:21:50.520 --> 0:21:51.399 Yeah, how was. 0:21:51.440 --> 0:21:54.600 That the radio show that he used to do from 0:21:55.080 --> 0:21:57.200 I think it was from Trenton where he'd play all 0:21:57.240 --> 0:22:00.879 B sides and man, I heard, you know songs like 0:22:01.040 --> 0:22:05.800 Viola by the Versatones and you know and Guided Missiles 0:22:06.040 --> 0:22:08.640 and you know these songs that were just unbelievable. 0:22:08.880 --> 0:22:10.080 And you know your. 0:22:09.920 --> 0:22:12.120 Your your father man Lee Andrews and the Hearts. Man, 0:22:12.480 --> 0:22:16.560 I mean, you know, tick tick ticking of the clock. 0:22:16.640 --> 0:22:18.000 He got a. 0:22:22.280 --> 0:22:26.000 Can you tell me what your first musical memory was? 0:22:27.600 --> 0:22:28.000 Oh? 0:22:28.080 --> 0:22:33.240 Man, first musical memory. My grandmother had like one of 0:22:33.320 --> 0:22:36.919 those big consoles that has like the eight track player 0:22:37.480 --> 0:22:40.320 and the record player and the speakers built in. And 0:22:40.359 --> 0:22:45.040 I remember being really young, maybe four, and messing around 0:22:45.080 --> 0:22:49.919 with all the vinyl yes and pulling out some of 0:22:49.960 --> 0:22:52.159 the albums and had them all on the floor, and 0:22:52.200 --> 0:22:53.840 my Grandma's like what you're doing, you know, like don't 0:22:53.880 --> 0:22:56.280 break them and all this, and I remember her putting 0:22:56.280 --> 0:23:01.320 on the Thriller album. I remember here. I remember hearing 0:23:01.320 --> 0:23:04.040 the speakers because it's like a tube system, remember them 0:23:04.040 --> 0:23:07.439 warm up, and then I could hear, you know, songs 0:23:07.480 --> 0:23:10.679 of Thriller coming out of the speakers and being like, 0:23:10.760 --> 0:23:14.520 what the hell is this, you know, kind of kind 0:23:14.520 --> 0:23:16.760 of amazed in the name of by the whole thing, 0:23:16.960 --> 0:23:19.159 not just the music, but just all of it. You know, 0:23:19.840 --> 0:23:21.679 the warmth of it coming on? 0:23:23.000 --> 0:23:27.560 Was that your kind of I don't mean come to 0:23:27.640 --> 0:23:31.240 Jesus moment, but for you, was that like the moment 0:23:31.240 --> 0:23:36.040 where it's like, Okay, well I want to also express 0:23:36.119 --> 0:23:38.440 myself in this way through music or. 0:23:39.880 --> 0:23:40.120 Nah. 0:23:40.440 --> 0:23:42.800 So no, not really, I mean I had that kind 0:23:42.800 --> 0:23:46.159 of moment when I was eleven. I I was in 0:23:46.200 --> 0:23:49.560 middle school and in my school, I don't know what 0:23:49.640 --> 0:23:53.080 if a grade eleven is fifth or sixth grade, and 0:23:54.560 --> 0:23:57.000 there was a band from our school that had rented 0:23:57.000 --> 0:23:59.399 out our gym and they were gonna put on a show. 0:24:00.000 --> 0:24:01.960 And I remember all throughout the day everybody was asking, 0:24:01.960 --> 0:24:03.199 are you gonna go to the show? You're gonna go 0:24:03.240 --> 0:24:04.840 to the show? I was like, I don't know, I'll 0:24:04.840 --> 0:24:06.679 see if I can get there. And so I get 0:24:06.720 --> 0:24:08.359 to the gym and I'm by myself, and I remember 0:24:08.359 --> 0:24:10.439 being like super anxious because I don't really know anybody 0:24:10.520 --> 0:24:13.920 at well, and the band plays and a musing them 0:24:13.920 --> 0:24:15.760 play on stage and kids I went to school with. 0:24:16.480 --> 0:24:19.240 It was like I didn't know these kids could do this. 0:24:20.000 --> 0:24:22.160 There were so talented. Look at the effects that having 0:24:22.200 --> 0:24:24.879 on people. It was songs that I liked and I knew, 0:24:24.920 --> 0:24:27.040 and it was like the coolest thing I had ever seen. 0:24:27.119 --> 0:24:29.840 And it was in that moment standing in the gym 0:24:30.200 --> 0:24:32.200 that I knew I wanted to be in a band, 0:24:32.359 --> 0:24:34.320 and I wanted to make my own music and I 0:24:34.320 --> 0:24:35.840 wanted to be up there like they were. Like, I 0:24:35.920 --> 0:24:37.800 think that was the come to Jesus moment for me. 0:24:39.160 --> 0:24:46.240 Okay, how long before you found other people that sort 0:24:46.280 --> 0:24:50.119 of had a common love for music? Like was music 0:24:50.240 --> 0:24:53.399 something that you kept close to the chest? Or like 0:24:53.440 --> 0:24:55.840 how big was the music community down there? 0:24:56.920 --> 0:25:00.879 It was? It was so small. I had to teach 0:25:00.920 --> 0:25:03.080 people how to play music to be in a band. 0:25:03.680 --> 0:25:03.960 Wow. 0:25:04.040 --> 0:25:06.760 So I would go teach myself the instruments, and then 0:25:06.800 --> 0:25:08.439 I would go back to school and I would just 0:25:08.480 --> 0:25:10.440 try to find a kid with some sort of musical 0:25:10.480 --> 0:25:13.159 talent like rhythm, and I'd be like, Okay, hey, do 0:25:13.160 --> 0:25:14.800 you want to learn how to play bass guitar? Like 0:25:14.840 --> 0:25:16.480 do you want learn how to play drums? And I 0:25:16.480 --> 0:25:19.480 would tutor them and see if that get to appointment 0:25:19.560 --> 0:25:23.040 where we could make music together. Some yes, but a 0:25:23.080 --> 0:25:25.480 lot no, Like it just didn't happen. I was trying 0:25:25.480 --> 0:25:27.840 to make it happen. And it wasn't until I was 0:25:27.880 --> 0:25:31.399 probably like sixteen years old that I finally met some 0:25:31.520 --> 0:25:34.440 kids who also were interested in making music. And that 0:25:35.200 --> 0:25:38.439 was Zach Zach copple Bassis for Albama Shakes. And then 0:25:38.880 --> 0:25:41.760 he's Fogg who became a guitar player, and it was them. 0:25:41.880 --> 0:25:43.760 So this whole thing really started from my school. 0:25:45.400 --> 0:25:49.280 Was guitar your very first instrument of choice? Or did 0:25:49.280 --> 0:25:50.760 you play other instruments as well? 0:25:52.119 --> 0:25:56.080 My first instrument, I guess technically is like piano, and 0:25:56.119 --> 0:26:04.880 then drums, drummer, heart and then basically yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:26:04.920 --> 0:26:06.399 a lot of my yeah, a lot of the drums 0:26:06.400 --> 0:26:09.480 on my new record. I programmed those drums. I'm not 0:26:09.520 --> 0:26:11.760 saying I could play them like that, but I can 0:26:11.840 --> 0:26:15.399 hear it, you know. And uh yeah. Then I learned bass, 0:26:15.400 --> 0:26:17.639 and then I only learned guitar because I had to. 0:26:18.200 --> 0:26:21.520 I didn't really want to play guitar really, no, I 0:26:21.520 --> 0:26:22.919 want to be in the rhythm section. I just one 0:26:23.000 --> 0:26:23.879 I want to play bass. 0:26:24.840 --> 0:26:25.880 What is the gap though? 0:26:25.880 --> 0:26:26.080 Wait? 0:26:26.160 --> 0:26:28.760 The gap in between you knowing you wanted to do 0:26:28.840 --> 0:26:32.080 this and you teaching folks that the music. 0:26:31.920 --> 0:26:33.160 Like, how are you learning. 0:26:33.240 --> 0:26:37.000 You never kind of said that yet, Well you just yeah. 0:26:37.080 --> 0:26:40.159 So at firstly I didn't have those instruments like drums. 0:26:40.200 --> 0:26:43.840 I could have access to drums because there were a 0:26:43.880 --> 0:26:45.680 set of drums at our school, so I could go 0:26:45.720 --> 0:26:48.879 play those drums after school. When it came to bass guitar, 0:26:49.320 --> 0:26:51.200 I would just borrow one from one of the rich kids, 0:26:51.200 --> 0:26:52.800 because like, I don't know what it was about school, Well, 0:26:52.840 --> 0:26:56.520 all the rich kids had a bass guitar. Let me 0:26:56.560 --> 0:26:58.199 borrow it, you know, and they let me borrow it. 0:26:58.240 --> 0:27:00.840 And so I taught myself how to do that. And 0:27:00.920 --> 0:27:05.879 the guitar my my sister had a guitar like tucked 0:27:05.880 --> 0:27:08.120 away back in the closets, like one of those jcpenny 0:27:08.119 --> 0:27:10.720 guitars that looks like a Less Paul and it's like 0:27:11.000 --> 0:27:13.240 it's like one hundred and fifty pounds. And that's what 0:27:13.320 --> 0:27:16.840 I learned on was that guitar. So I was teaching myself. 0:27:17.200 --> 0:27:18.080 How long did it take? 0:27:19.000 --> 0:27:23.480 I mean, I haven't mastered any of those instruments, right, 0:27:23.520 --> 0:27:27.160 that's what we're doing, okay, no, no, no, no no no. Honestly, 0:27:27.320 --> 0:27:29.159 I was just learning as I went. So if I 0:27:29.160 --> 0:27:31.879 picked something up, I would make something with it. I 0:27:31.880 --> 0:27:34.520 would just learn as I went. So from from the 0:27:34.600 --> 0:27:36.240 very beginning, I wanted to make my own music. That 0:27:36.359 --> 0:27:38.119 was like the whole goal, that was like the whole purpose. 0:27:38.720 --> 0:27:42.040 But when I was originally learning, I had to learn 0:27:42.119 --> 0:27:43.040 other people's songs. 0:27:43.320 --> 0:27:43.800 So I just. 0:27:43.720 --> 0:27:46.720 Started with stuff that was easy, like like blink on 0:27:46.800 --> 0:27:48.919 a two, and I was like, kind of things like 0:27:48.960 --> 0:27:51.160 that that are pretty easy power chord stuff, you know. 0:27:51.840 --> 0:27:53.840 So I'm going to ask you, am I the only 0:27:53.840 --> 0:27:54.760 one that goes through this? 0:27:55.400 --> 0:27:58.720 Like sometimes when we'll ask people about their childhood, you're 0:27:58.760 --> 0:28:02.040 thinking about your childhood, you but then you realize that 0:28:02.119 --> 0:28:05.800 their childhood is actually your adulthood, like. 0:28:08.640 --> 0:28:11.840 Childhood, and I'm like, wait a minute. I was thirty 0:28:11.840 --> 0:28:15.440 three years old when that came out, like pretty. 0:28:15.600 --> 0:28:17.160 Don't do the math, don't do the math. 0:28:17.359 --> 0:28:17.879 Don't do it. 0:28:17.920 --> 0:28:18.440 Don't do it. 0:28:18.440 --> 0:28:18.840 It hurts. 0:28:18.920 --> 0:28:20.520 I give my feelings hurt. 0:28:20.800 --> 0:28:24.240 I guess when we first played together was at the 0:28:24.320 --> 0:28:28.240 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in Cleveland and we 0:28:28.240 --> 0:28:33.240 were doing a tribute for Big Mama Thornton. In your childhood, 0:28:33.480 --> 0:28:36.359 was there did anyone ever put you onto her? Or 0:28:36.480 --> 0:28:38.400 was it like later in life when you discovered her 0:28:38.720 --> 0:28:42.760 I'm for a so called music historian. I you know, 0:28:42.840 --> 0:28:46.000 I admit, and I'm ashamed of it that I was 0:28:46.000 --> 0:28:48.760 probably in my mid forties before someone explained to me 0:28:48.800 --> 0:28:52.320 who Big Mama Thornton was, even though like I've heard 0:28:52.360 --> 0:28:54.640 hound Dog and all that stuff all my life, but. 0:28:55.400 --> 0:28:57.400 I remember doing his sister though. 0:28:57.680 --> 0:29:00.000 Oh my god, I talk about it. 0:29:01.680 --> 0:29:04.560 You know what you want to edit that? Yes? Yeah, 0:29:04.560 --> 0:29:08.120 and quest Love makes mistakes. Yes, I had a brain fart. 0:29:08.280 --> 0:29:12.720 I'm sorry he was a historian quest Love things. 0:29:12.840 --> 0:29:16.560 I'm sorry. I meant sisters at a thought. Yeah, were 0:29:16.560 --> 0:29:19.120 you at all familiar with her in your childhood or 0:29:20.080 --> 0:29:21.440 did that come to you later in life? 0:29:22.280 --> 0:29:25.120 It definitely came to me later in life, maybe mid twenties. 0:29:25.200 --> 0:29:29.600 Mid twenties is when I started getting curious about these 0:29:30.120 --> 0:29:34.400 women blues players, right, And then I had started hearing about, well, 0:29:34.440 --> 0:29:37.000 there's this woman that kind of inspired Chuck Berry and 0:29:37.320 --> 0:29:40.560 inspired of us Presley and had the electric guitar. And 0:29:41.560 --> 0:29:43.520 someone told me about it because I played an SG 0:29:44.200 --> 0:29:45.960 and they're like, oh this like sister was at a tharpe. 0:29:46.000 --> 0:29:47.000 She also put a SG. 0:29:47.080 --> 0:29:50.320 She put an SG custom in white, and I was like, oh, 0:29:50.400 --> 0:29:52.480 I've never heard of her, so I started looking into 0:29:52.480 --> 0:29:54.840 her stuff and I was like, the stuff she's actually 0:29:54.840 --> 0:29:59.760 playing on the guitar is so unique. It's it's her 0:30:00.240 --> 0:30:03.080 on that guitar. Nobody else is doing it. It's crazy. 0:30:03.120 --> 0:30:05.960 It's actually hard, it's hard to play how she's playing. 0:30:06.440 --> 0:30:09.120 And so that's when I kind of started diving into 0:30:09.120 --> 0:30:11.000 her stuff and in her story, which her story is 0:30:11.000 --> 0:30:12.000 really interesting as well. 0:30:13.320 --> 0:30:16.960 And that was Brittany Howard. And here's Ellie Reid from 0:30:17.040 --> 0:30:19.920 part one of our epic three parter. 0:30:21.360 --> 0:30:21.520 La. 0:30:21.680 --> 0:30:27.800 What was your very first musical memory, first musical memory ever, 0:30:28.200 --> 0:30:32.800 like ever your first thought of music? What? Like, what's 0:30:32.920 --> 0:30:33.400 it might be? 0:30:33.600 --> 0:30:35.800 It might be a little hazy, but I think that 0:30:35.880 --> 0:30:42.040 it was growing up Cincinnati, Ohio in the kitchen, small kitchen, 0:30:43.320 --> 0:30:48.000 transistor radio in the window, and I think it was 0:30:48.120 --> 0:30:52.720 It's my party and I cry if I want to. Yes, 0:30:53.040 --> 0:30:55.160 I think it was that because for some reason I 0:30:55.200 --> 0:30:58.720 remember that name, Quincy Jones. Don't know why, but like 0:30:58.800 --> 0:31:01.720 I knew that name as a baby and it never left, 0:31:01.800 --> 0:31:04.880 you know. I think it was that or it was 0:31:04.920 --> 0:31:08.360 something from Motown, right, like one of those dancing in 0:31:08.400 --> 0:31:09.000 the streets. 0:31:09.000 --> 0:31:12.320 So I can't exactly I was very young. 0:31:12.400 --> 0:31:16.080 But the one that the one that got me though, 0:31:16.160 --> 0:31:19.440 the one that, like the life changing moment, was when 0:31:19.480 --> 0:31:23.160 I heard give the drummer some and and cold sweat 0:31:23.240 --> 0:31:27.920 James Brown. That moment, like that was that the world stopped. 0:31:28.160 --> 0:31:33.560 So speaking of Cincinnati. Oh, by the way, uh, in 0:31:33.600 --> 0:31:36.080 case our listeners don't know, not many people know that 0:31:36.200 --> 0:31:39.680 Quincy Jones produced Leslie Gore's It's My Party. That's his 0:31:39.840 --> 0:31:44.240 very first, very first hits as a as a pop producer. 0:31:44.920 --> 0:31:48.400 I was going to say that I noticed, at least 0:31:48.400 --> 0:31:53.560 from what Bootsie told me and just from observing that 0:31:54.640 --> 0:32:00.440 anyone who's in proximity of King Records and their whole 0:32:00.480 --> 0:32:05.719 operation had their life changed, either as someone that works 0:32:05.800 --> 0:32:08.960 inside of King Records or the studio or the factory, 0:32:09.120 --> 0:32:12.880 or someone like Boucie Collins did hung in the alleyway 0:32:12.880 --> 0:32:15.440 and just hoped maybe one day we'll get used or 0:32:15.480 --> 0:32:16.160 something like that. 0:32:16.640 --> 0:32:16.920 Yep. 0:32:17.160 --> 0:32:21.080 But because there's a five year of five to ten year. 0:32:20.920 --> 0:32:27.160 Age discrepancy of you and Boucie's generation, right, how did 0:32:27.280 --> 0:32:31.360 the James Brown Ohio effect? And Plus this also explains 0:32:31.400 --> 0:32:35.240 why Ohio is the funk capital of the United States 0:32:35.280 --> 0:32:40.120 because I mean basically, King Records moved their operations to Cincinnati, 0:32:40.840 --> 0:32:45.200 and basically at a time period in which the ripple 0:32:45.240 --> 0:32:48.240 effects started happening even in other cities like Funk just 0:32:48.280 --> 0:32:53.880 spread throughout Dayton, Columbus, Cleveland, been all over. So just 0:32:54.040 --> 0:32:57.880 as a ten year old, were you aware of James 0:32:57.960 --> 0:33:02.880 Brown's presence in the city. I feel like I didn't 0:33:03.040 --> 0:33:06.320 know it officially, but I felt the presence. Like the 0:33:06.360 --> 0:33:09.280 first Contenter ever went to was a James Brown concert 0:33:09.560 --> 0:33:13.320 at the Cincinnati Convention Center, and I hung outside and 0:33:13.360 --> 0:33:17.040 I met Maceio Parker, and that that was a big 0:33:17.080 --> 0:33:20.360 deal for me, like literally walking down the street outside 0:33:20.480 --> 0:33:25.440 the convention Center. And also King Records was like a 0:33:25.480 --> 0:33:29.120 few doors down from like my karate school as a kid, Right, 0:33:29.200 --> 0:33:32.480 So I would go to karate school, but when I 0:33:32.480 --> 0:33:35.920 wait on the bus, right take the bus home afterwards, 0:33:35.960 --> 0:33:39.160 and I knew that that was King Records. So I 0:33:39.240 --> 0:33:41.840 never saw a soul, but I would just stare at it. 0:33:42.480 --> 0:33:45.880 I felt drawn to it. But then as I got 0:33:46.000 --> 0:33:50.880 like slightly older, all the musicians in Cincinnati were all 0:33:50.920 --> 0:33:56.000 so impacted by Bootsy and James Brown, but more Bootsy 0:33:56.280 --> 0:33:59.600 to be honest, right, James was like the godfather of soul. 0:34:00.120 --> 0:34:05.160 Bootsy was our local superstar. So everything that Bootsy did, 0:34:05.200 --> 0:34:08.520 we all, you know, aspire to do. Bootsy holds his 0:34:08.560 --> 0:34:11.160 base this way, so you hold your base like Bootsy. Right, 0:34:11.480 --> 0:34:13.680 Bootsy wears these kind of shoes, so he has these. 0:34:13.920 --> 0:34:17.440 Everything was about whatever Boots he did was the magic. 0:34:17.600 --> 0:34:21.240 You know, he was like a god to us. James 0:34:21.280 --> 0:34:25.239 Brown needed Booty more than Boots. He needed James even 0:34:25.280 --> 0:34:30.319 though Boosy needed that guidance, right, Yeah, James Brown needed 0:34:30.320 --> 0:34:34.799 that validation of you know, the next generation respecting him. 0:34:35.480 --> 0:34:37.440 And what was the first song, super bad. 0:34:38.320 --> 0:34:42.239 Very first song sex Machine? Sex Machine was bootsy very 0:34:42.239 --> 0:34:44.600 first one. Yeah, okay, you got it. 0:34:44.640 --> 0:34:47.480 There's there's an amazing all right, So they did that 0:34:47.560 --> 0:34:51.080 song in two takes, and there's a there's a really amazing, 0:34:52.400 --> 0:34:55.480 rare dialogue for James. Like if you listen to James's 0:34:55.480 --> 0:35:00.239 out takes, normally it's sarcasm or I mean not like 0:35:00.320 --> 0:35:02.760 mean spirited, but like if they mess up or whatever, 0:35:04.000 --> 0:35:07.520 you'll you'll hear him like chastise the engineer or something 0:35:07.560 --> 0:35:11.759 like that. But when they do the second take of 0:35:11.920 --> 0:35:14.960 sex Machine, there's like a forty five minute conversation of 0:35:15.040 --> 0:35:17.600 James just like you hear him walking in the studio 0:35:18.160 --> 0:35:22.000 and tell them like like being encouraging almost like which 0:35:22.040 --> 0:35:25.600 is rare for James Brown. But he's like obviously knows 0:35:25.640 --> 0:35:29.080 like these these six seventeen eighteen year old kids are 0:35:29.120 --> 0:35:31.840 really really scared right now, and he's just oh, no, 0:35:32.000 --> 0:35:34.719 you got it, man, Like you can do it, like, 0:35:34.800 --> 0:35:38.279 which is wow, compared to the rest of what James does, 0:35:38.440 --> 0:35:41.880 like on the other takes or whatnot, Like it's almost 0:35:41.960 --> 0:35:45.320 like he knew that he was dealing with children, you 0:35:45.400 --> 0:35:45.840 know what, I'm. 0:35:45.760 --> 0:35:56.560 Right, So, yeah, some sensitivity and he's yeah, that's great. 0:35:57.320 --> 0:35:57.680 All right. 0:35:57.760 --> 0:36:03.080 Here is a DJ Premiere Premiere fun fact about Premiere 0:36:03.840 --> 0:36:07.120 secret comedian. See that was Premier playing piano right now. 0:36:07.719 --> 0:36:11.880 So to be fair, when this episode aired in twenty seventeen, 0:36:12.080 --> 0:36:14.600 I didn't ask the question. We were just in the 0:36:14.600 --> 0:36:19.560 studio talking and Premiere shared this. But it fits. You know, 0:36:19.880 --> 0:36:21.799 whenever the two of us get to talking, we have 0:36:21.840 --> 0:36:24.280 a lot to say. So Premiere. 0:36:26.160 --> 0:36:30.240 For me, it was my mom is an art teacher 0:36:30.640 --> 0:36:33.680 and she just had so many records in the house. 0:36:33.760 --> 0:36:35.840 You know, the rules were, don't touch the top of 0:36:35.840 --> 0:36:38.279 the record only all the edges or you get a. 0:36:39.239 --> 0:36:41.400 Do we call it a whooping? Not a spank and 0:36:41.480 --> 0:36:41.960 a whooping? 0:36:42.800 --> 0:36:45.439 I touched the top because I just wanted to see 0:36:45.719 --> 0:36:46.600 what is touch on the top? 0:36:46.680 --> 0:36:48.600 Do she goes, you got your fingerprints on it? Your 0:36:48.640 --> 0:36:50.200 dumb motherfucker's. 0:36:53.000 --> 0:36:53.080 Like? 0:36:53.200 --> 0:36:55.640 And then I mean I got plenty of whipons because 0:36:55.960 --> 0:36:59.640 you know, I looked at records as a toy, because 0:36:59.680 --> 0:37:02.760 the labels was what attracted me. The way they looked 0:37:02.840 --> 0:37:06.240 when they spun. I was really attracted to the labels. 0:37:06.320 --> 0:37:08.760 You know, It's like, wow, Motown, the way it looked 0:37:08.760 --> 0:37:11.080 in Tamala, dark skinned Motown versus light. 0:37:13.680 --> 0:37:18.359 Yeah. Oh, like the blue versus the yellow, and the. 0:37:17.840 --> 0:37:21.439 Motel was the yellow in the brown. Harry Winner once 0:37:22.000 --> 0:37:26.640 at Universal explained to me that because Motown used eighteen 0:37:26.800 --> 0:37:30.480 different factories across the United States UH to print it, 0:37:30.960 --> 0:37:33.920 like they didn't do their own pressing, it was never consistent. 0:37:34.120 --> 0:37:36.560 So the ink would be consistent. So you would have 0:37:36.600 --> 0:37:40.400 some Motown print that had a very dark queue to it, 0:37:41.239 --> 0:37:44.839 and then you had a lighter Motown. But sometimes even 0:37:44.880 --> 0:37:50.480 the Tamala would be a very dark label versus a 0:37:50.560 --> 0:37:54.840 light one, like it would just Gordy. It would depend 0:37:54.920 --> 0:37:57.840 on you know what pressing plant used. 0:37:58.280 --> 0:38:00.799 Yeah, but the labels always fascinated me, just the way 0:38:00.800 --> 0:38:02.440 and look when it's fun. And then on top of that, 0:38:02.800 --> 0:38:05.120 you know you had semi even not semi auto. You know, 0:38:05.160 --> 0:38:07.719 they went to semi automatics, but it little almost like 0:38:07.760 --> 0:38:11.560 a gun. But they even fully automatic turntables, which at 0:38:11.600 --> 0:38:13.279 that time my mother called it a record player, not 0:38:13.400 --> 0:38:17.440 a turntable. So seeing her stack the spindle with the 0:38:17.960 --> 0:38:20.319 that looks like a bottle rocket or whatever, and stack 0:38:20.440 --> 0:38:23.160 that and then puts five forty fives on there and 0:38:23.239 --> 0:38:26.000 let the arm hold it, and then the arm goes up, 0:38:26.120 --> 0:38:28.920 touches it, goes back, the record drops in it. I'm like, 0:38:28.960 --> 0:38:31.360 how does it know to land there? 0:38:31.600 --> 0:38:31.719 Like? 0:38:32.320 --> 0:38:35.400 You know, so I took her as apart, which got me. 0:38:36.560 --> 0:38:38.480 That gets you because I wanted to see the mechanics 0:38:38.520 --> 0:38:40.600 of what's making it do that and you know where 0:38:40.600 --> 0:38:40.960 to land. 0:38:41.000 --> 0:38:42.160 And then on top of it, when you put a. 0:38:43.680 --> 0:38:46.000 Twelve, you know, an album, it knew to start at 0:38:46.040 --> 0:38:48.040 the album where it's like, how's it no go here? 0:38:48.160 --> 0:38:49.840 But on the forty five goes all the way insigne 0:38:49.840 --> 0:38:51.120 and lands right on the tank. 0:38:51.239 --> 0:38:52.400 I was in the juke boxes too. 0:38:52.400 --> 0:38:54.640 I would just stay at the jukebox because almost any 0:38:54.680 --> 0:38:56.600 restaurant back then had a juke box, and I would 0:38:56.600 --> 0:38:59.000 just stare at and watch it shuffle the records, and 0:38:59.000 --> 0:39:02.919 then you know, like that, that's why he's like happy Days. 0:39:03.640 --> 0:39:03.919 I don't. 0:39:05.640 --> 0:39:09.400 I do not feel would you? Would you rotate records 0:39:09.400 --> 0:39:11.319 without even listening to it, just see what it looked 0:39:11.320 --> 0:39:16.040 like spilling? Were you biased against labels that you didn't like? 0:39:17.000 --> 0:39:21.799 Copy wise, even if I had good music, did you 0:39:21.920 --> 0:39:22.920 judge it on the label? 0:39:23.840 --> 0:39:25.319 Judge it on the label like I do now? 0:39:25.360 --> 0:39:28.680 Like I never like Capital so it took me a 0:39:28.719 --> 0:39:30.439 long time, like especially. 0:39:30.160 --> 0:39:34.440 Old swimming purple or orange like Nat King cole Cat 0:39:34.560 --> 0:39:37.279 black with a rainbow around. Yeah, that's why I never 0:39:37.360 --> 0:39:40.200 touched my dad's Capitol record right, took me wrong to 0:39:40.200 --> 0:39:41.400 get the Beatles. 0:39:40.960 --> 0:39:44.839 And Beach Boys like Yeah, label who was the like 0:39:44.880 --> 0:39:47.759 the one I used? Like scary labels used to scare me. 0:39:47.800 --> 0:39:50.839 I never liked Buddha, yeah, with the little man at 0:39:50.840 --> 0:39:57.160 the bottom, like Kurd Time Curtains. But here's the thing 0:39:58.200 --> 0:40:01.560 you like Kurt Time. Yeah, I scared. 0:40:02.920 --> 0:40:04.719 Literally face say that. 0:40:04.760 --> 0:40:09.040 At the same I would never to listen to if 0:40:09.080 --> 0:40:11.760 there's Hell below, we all gotta go. We're all gonna 0:40:11.800 --> 0:40:15.600 go with all that psychedelic echo effect to it in 0:40:15.719 --> 0:40:18.879 the dark. As a three year old watching that Kurt 0:40:18.880 --> 0:40:22.880 Time label, Nah, but I'd be obsessed with it, like 0:40:23.360 --> 0:40:25.440 make him put it on. Then I run upstairs and 0:40:25.480 --> 0:40:26.239 hide on the cover. 0:40:27.360 --> 0:40:27.800 I don't. 0:40:27.800 --> 0:40:29.960 I hit under the covers when Jaws came out because 0:40:30.000 --> 0:40:31.920 I thought the shot could come in, and I'm like, 0:40:32.239 --> 0:40:34.000 and if you think about it, the shot can't swim 0:40:34.040 --> 0:40:36.920 without water. But I just remember going to see Jaws 0:40:36.920 --> 0:40:38.799 with my family and just. 0:40:38.760 --> 0:40:40.640 That boom doom, doom, doom, doom, doom doom. 0:40:41.040 --> 0:40:44.480 I was so scared of staying by myself, you know, 0:40:44.560 --> 0:40:46.759 my my parents let us stay by myself at a 0:40:46.800 --> 0:40:49.120 young age because it's just like that in the South, 0:40:49.160 --> 0:40:51.719 you know, you know, you leave your door unlocked and 0:40:51.719 --> 0:40:56.760 people just walk in, you know, like I'm from that, Like, hey, 0:40:57.200 --> 0:41:02.320 your dad, oh it's not you know, unchained fively. I 0:41:02.400 --> 0:41:04.600 learned that when I came to New York and my 0:41:05.080 --> 0:41:07.080 mom's from Baltimore. So even when we used to stay 0:41:07.080 --> 0:41:09.879 at my grandmother's house, same thing. They had all these 0:41:10.239 --> 0:41:12.960 like all these locks and You're just like, damn, you. 0:41:12.920 --> 0:41:14.239 Know, what's the you know? 0:41:14.440 --> 0:41:16.759 But then you see the corner store right outside the 0:41:17.160 --> 0:41:20.640 house where everybody's fighting and screaming and breaking glass, and 0:41:20.640 --> 0:41:20.960 I'm like. 0:41:22.239 --> 0:41:24.279 I want to go back to Texas, you know. 0:41:24.360 --> 0:41:26.359 And then you get to the teenage Agent where it's like, yo, 0:41:26.440 --> 0:41:27.840 I love all this violence stuff. 0:41:28.920 --> 0:41:32.239 And that's when the changes started. The change started to come. 0:41:32.560 --> 0:41:36.680 Your father, your father, he was a professor at PRAI Review. 0:41:36.760 --> 0:41:40.640 Yeah, yeah, and he was my dean. Imagine that. So 0:41:40.680 --> 0:41:44.000 you went for free? No? Well, I mean yeah, he 0:41:44.040 --> 0:41:49.600 paid for it. What was computer science? But none of 0:41:49.600 --> 0:41:53.960 those languages exist, you know. I took for tran and basic. 0:41:54.400 --> 0:41:58.160 Yeah no, no, no, you can't get your receipt back. 0:42:01.120 --> 0:42:05.360 So wait, if the if the turntable was such a 0:42:05.480 --> 0:42:11.640 sacred holy ground in your household? What happened the very 0:42:11.719 --> 0:42:14.920 first time you ever heard the Adventures of Grandmaster Flash 0:42:15.000 --> 0:42:18.520 on the Wheels is still? Did you hear it as 0:42:18.560 --> 0:42:21.520 a youngster in Texas? 0:42:21.840 --> 0:42:22.640 No? I was. 0:42:23.320 --> 0:42:24.920 I was going back and forth. Yeah, but I was 0:42:24.960 --> 0:42:27.640 going back and forth because my grandfather lived in Brooklyn. 0:42:27.640 --> 0:42:30.440 That's how the first Brooklyn connection happened. Because he ustaill. 0:42:30.480 --> 0:42:33.920 He lived in Brooklyn, so being staying with him, he 0:42:34.000 --> 0:42:35.839 and I used to always go to I was really 0:42:35.840 --> 0:42:38.560 in the in the pinball games heavy as a kid, 0:42:38.760 --> 0:42:41.000 so he's always take me to Playland in tom Square 0:42:41.200 --> 0:42:43.040 and then we always go to a Yankee game. So 0:42:43.200 --> 0:42:45.799 I was so used to going to baseball games with him. 0:42:45.960 --> 0:42:47.680 That's how I got into baseball. I played that played 0:42:47.719 --> 0:42:50.359 when I was young, and that he's the one that 0:42:50.400 --> 0:42:52.160 got me into that. And then he used to tour 0:42:52.680 --> 0:42:55.800 with his band and he played trombone, trumpet, guitar and 0:42:56.120 --> 0:42:56.920 upright bass. 0:42:57.200 --> 0:42:58.600 So he used to always show me all. 0:42:58.480 --> 0:42:59.959 The pictures like, yeah, this is when I was in German, 0:43:00.280 --> 0:43:01.879 this is when I was here, just when I was there. 0:43:01.920 --> 0:43:04.640 And I remember his wife, Rooney, God bless her. 0:43:04.640 --> 0:43:09.200 She's always going, oh, Bill, there you go. He loves 0:43:09.200 --> 0:43:11.600 to brag about all the places he's been. But for me, 0:43:11.680 --> 0:43:15.120 it was like, wow, all this music took you all 0:43:15.160 --> 0:43:17.520 these places, you know, So I wanted to do that 0:43:17.560 --> 0:43:18.040 same thing. 0:43:18.080 --> 0:43:19.680 See yeah, but so. 0:43:19.280 --> 0:43:21.759 So it wasn't like you scratched on the home term 0:43:21.840 --> 0:43:23.399 table and nah, not then. 0:43:23.440 --> 0:43:26.080 But by the time scratching came out, I just was 0:43:26.239 --> 0:43:28.239 wanted to figure out how they able to bring it 0:43:28.320 --> 0:43:32.080 back like that. And then my homie who's still a 0:43:32.080 --> 0:43:33.120 friend of mine, RP. 0:43:33.320 --> 0:43:33.640 Coler. 0:43:33.680 --> 0:43:36.160 His name is Randy Pettis. He went to my college. 0:43:36.239 --> 0:43:39.200 So I didn't really understand the scratching aspect as far 0:43:39.200 --> 0:43:41.799 as how they're making the record come back until like 0:43:41.880 --> 0:43:45.160 nineteen eighty five, when when eighty four, I'm sorry, eighty 0:43:45.160 --> 0:43:47.839 four when I was in college, cause I graduated high 0:43:47.840 --> 0:43:48.520 school in eighty four. 0:43:48.600 --> 0:43:50.200 My freshman year in college, I went. 0:43:50.280 --> 0:43:52.080 I went to summer school just so I just wanted 0:43:52.080 --> 0:43:54.400 to be in college so bad, because you know, just 0:43:54.400 --> 0:43:55.880 to get away hang out with all the people. 0:43:56.000 --> 0:43:56.719 And we don't. 0:43:56.719 --> 0:43:59.200 We only live five minutes from the college, but it's 0:43:59.239 --> 0:44:02.239 still a different way now. On the dorms and with 0:44:02.320 --> 0:44:04.120 the boys, we're drinking, we're doing all the stuff that 0:44:04.160 --> 0:44:05.960 and that that you want to do away from your parents. 0:44:06.040 --> 0:44:10.160 And and uh, I just remember, man, he was scratching 0:44:10.880 --> 0:44:13.400 and and he had these felt pads on there, and 0:44:13.080 --> 0:44:16.400 I was like, yo, how are you doing that? And 0:44:16.400 --> 0:44:17.319 and he. 0:44:17.280 --> 0:44:18.800 Was like, I'll show you. He's come to my dorm. 0:44:18.920 --> 0:44:19.759 And I went to this dorm. 0:44:19.840 --> 0:44:22.400 He showed me how to cut on his old big Gemini. 0:44:22.480 --> 0:44:25.000 It was a big Gemini mixer. It was silver with 0:44:25.080 --> 0:44:28.000 wood on the side. That's all I remember, the big silver. 0:44:28.200 --> 0:44:29.960 Damn. He had to run to get the cross fader, 0:44:30.080 --> 0:44:33.359 you know, and he was and the way, the way, 0:44:33.560 --> 0:44:34.439 the way the dorms were. 0:44:34.360 --> 0:44:36.279 Set up shot the Holly Hall that was, that was 0:44:36.360 --> 0:44:39.400 the dorm of all the wildness. He the way he 0:44:39.440 --> 0:44:40.839 had to set up he a two on the right 0:44:40.960 --> 0:44:41.960 because he couldn't. 0:44:42.120 --> 0:44:42.520 He couldn't. 0:44:42.880 --> 0:44:45.160 He couldn't do nothing right because well he cult left 0:44:45.200 --> 0:44:48.320 and right, but only when he was doing the gigs 0:44:48.600 --> 0:44:50.680 at his whole, at his dorm, he would set him 0:44:50.760 --> 0:44:52.440 up on the right. So, being I got so used 0:44:52.480 --> 0:44:54.440 to learning it that way, I just stuck with that 0:44:54.480 --> 0:44:56.759 way I could. You know, I got better now where 0:44:56.880 --> 0:44:59.160 you have to cross over and everything, but now I 0:44:59.160 --> 0:45:01.600 don't want him that But if it's set up that way, 0:45:01.680 --> 0:45:04.040 I'm still nice to do it with him on the 0:45:04.120 --> 0:45:06.160 right or And then the second thing that led me 0:45:06.239 --> 0:45:09.120 just keeping on the right was when Malcolm Claren and 0:45:09.160 --> 0:45:11.280 the world famous Supreme Team came out with the album 0:45:11.360 --> 0:45:14.799 d You Like Scratching? You see the turntable together, Yeah, 0:45:14.840 --> 0:45:17.520 the turntables together on the cover and the mixer is 0:45:17.560 --> 0:45:19.560 a GLI mixer in the front. So I was like, 0:45:19.600 --> 0:45:21.359 I want to do that, but I'm just gonna move 0:45:21.400 --> 0:45:23.520 them back over like the way RP taught me. 0:45:25.160 --> 0:45:28.400 All Right, So when anyone ever asked me, like, what 0:45:28.520 --> 0:45:32.920 is the most exemplary episode to listen to? I always 0:45:32.960 --> 0:45:37.680 referred them to the Great Jimmy Jam one of my 0:45:37.840 --> 0:45:43.279 favorite QLs episodes of all time, talking about musical diversity 0:45:43.680 --> 0:45:44.520 and his upbringing. 0:45:46.280 --> 0:45:50.719 My earliest memories were always, you know, I always loved 0:45:50.719 --> 0:45:55.440 the harmony groups. I loved Seals and Cross America America Wow. Yeah, 0:45:55.640 --> 0:45:59.440 you know that kind of stuff. Bred that was. I mean, 0:45:59.440 --> 0:46:01.400 to this day, that's the way I stacked my harmonies 0:46:01.440 --> 0:46:04.120 because of the way they sang those songs. Back then, 0:46:04.600 --> 0:46:08.240 a little bit later in life, I liked, like, around 0:46:08.239 --> 0:46:10.040 the time I met Terry, I was really into Chicago 0:46:10.160 --> 0:46:13.040 that was. That was my favorite band ever, you know, 0:46:13.480 --> 0:46:16.120 and me and Terry both loved them, And then Terry 0:46:16.160 --> 0:46:17.920 then turned me on to when I met him, he 0:46:17.960 --> 0:46:20.800 turned me on too, earth Wind and Fired, Tower of Power, 0:46:20.960 --> 0:46:24.680 New Birth. I met Terry in seventy two. Okay, yeah, 0:46:24.719 --> 0:46:27.040 so we're just we're talking last days in time, Earth Winding, 0:46:27.080 --> 0:46:30.200 Fire and music in my mind Stevie Wonder. You know, 0:46:30.239 --> 0:46:32.560 these were the albums and Terry turned me on to those. 0:46:33.440 --> 0:46:36.480 Black radio You didn't have no black radio experience at 0:46:36.480 --> 0:46:38.200 the age of ten twelve. 0:46:38.360 --> 0:46:41.360 There wasn't a black radio experience for me. When I 0:46:41.360 --> 0:46:44.360 got into high school, I was really into or junior 0:46:44.440 --> 0:46:46.600 high and into high school, I was really into Gambling, 0:46:46.640 --> 0:46:50.120 Huff and everything coming out of Philadelphia. Blue Magic was 0:46:50.160 --> 0:46:53.120 my favorite all time group. I know everybody was into Stylistics, 0:46:53.160 --> 0:46:54.319 but Blue Magic was my group. 0:46:54.400 --> 0:46:56.920 But how could you hear it or see it? 0:46:56.920 --> 0:46:56.960 Was? 0:46:58.239 --> 0:47:01.480 Oh, yeah, Soul Train definitely was on and you definitely 0:47:01.480 --> 0:47:04.560 would hear it on Soul Train. But I I remember 0:47:04.840 --> 0:47:07.920 I had a friend of mine whose dad was an 0:47:07.920 --> 0:47:09.839 executive of music Land, which is one of the big 0:47:09.960 --> 0:47:11.840 retail stores back in the day. So he used to 0:47:11.880 --> 0:47:15.799 get every single record that came out. And my thing 0:47:15.880 --> 0:47:17.640 was I was always a big liner note reader and 0:47:17.680 --> 0:47:22.120 a big label reader. So my thing was we all 0:47:22.120 --> 0:47:28.560 collective and bill yes. So my whole thing was, I 0:47:28.560 --> 0:47:30.840 remember there were records that would come out and I 0:47:30.880 --> 0:47:34.319 would particularly during the Motown era because I really I 0:47:34.360 --> 0:47:37.440 really loved the Motown records, all of that stuff. The 0:47:37.480 --> 0:47:40.640 Holland Dozer Holland, like I remember I did. I remember 0:47:40.719 --> 0:47:43.320 looking at a Supremes album at a like a family 0:47:43.320 --> 0:47:46.160 reunion or something back in sixty two or something or 0:47:46.200 --> 0:47:47.879 sixty so I was like three or four years old, 0:47:47.880 --> 0:47:50.400 and I remember that Holland Dozer Holland it was. The 0:47:50.480 --> 0:47:53.640 album was called The Supreme sing Holland Dozer HOLLANDLD Record, 0:47:53.760 --> 0:47:56.320 and I the gold record, right. I had no idea 0:47:56.480 --> 0:47:59.600 what that meant. I kept going, what does this mean 0:48:00.200 --> 0:48:03.600 mean they singing Holland Dozer Holland, And somebody explained to me, no, 0:48:03.800 --> 0:48:06.160 they wrote the songs. The girls are the singers, but 0:48:06.200 --> 0:48:08.840 somebody wrote the songs, and something went off in my 0:48:08.880 --> 0:48:12.040 head at that point. That always made me look who 0:48:12.080 --> 0:48:15.200 wrote it, who produced it? And so I remember like 0:48:15.600 --> 0:48:17.879 all the Motown records would be the first ones I'd 0:48:17.920 --> 0:48:20.200 always go to. And I remember like staring at the 0:48:20.239 --> 0:48:23.560 first time I heard I Want You Back Jackson five, 0:48:24.400 --> 0:48:27.719 and you know Dinnah Ross and Dinah Ross presents the 0:48:27.760 --> 0:48:30.360 Jackson five and I thought, oh, wow, that's cool, and 0:48:30.400 --> 0:48:31.879 I looked down the record. I'm like, well, I don't 0:48:31.880 --> 0:48:35.520 see Donna Ross's name anywhere on here. There's some dudes 0:48:35.520 --> 0:48:39.759 called the somebody. I gotta find out who the corporation is, 0:48:39.800 --> 0:48:40.000 you know. 0:48:40.040 --> 0:48:40.640 So that was. 0:48:40.600 --> 0:48:45.440 Always my my thing and and I knew that because 0:48:45.440 --> 0:48:47.600 what I learned was there were certain there were groups 0:48:47.640 --> 0:48:50.960 I like, but it was all about who produced them. 0:48:51.160 --> 0:48:53.200 Like it was. It was like, you know, like Eddie 0:48:53.280 --> 0:48:55.919 Kendricks could come out with a song and I would 0:48:55.960 --> 0:48:59.200 be like, Yeah, that's okay. And then you come out 0:48:59.200 --> 0:49:01.160 with a song, I go oh, oh, I love that song. Okay, 0:49:01.160 --> 0:49:04.200 who did that song? Okay, Leonard Caston and you know, 0:49:04.360 --> 0:49:08.399 Frank Wilson and okay. And then I'd hear another song 0:49:08.440 --> 0:49:10.799 that had nothing to do with Eddie Kendricks, but I'd go, oh, 0:49:10.800 --> 0:49:13.160 I like that track. Who did that? And it'd be 0:49:13.200 --> 0:49:15.799 the same dudes, right, And that's when I got That's 0:49:15.800 --> 0:49:19.360 when I started going, Okay, that's that's my thing. And 0:49:19.680 --> 0:49:22.680 so for me, that's what always excited me, and that's what, 0:49:22.960 --> 0:49:25.719 you know, ultimately made me want to become a songwriter 0:49:25.760 --> 0:49:26.400 and a producer. 0:49:28.640 --> 0:49:32.600 We're gonna close with Adam Levine. This is from an 0:49:32.640 --> 0:49:36.160 End Studio in twenty twenty four episode, and it really 0:49:36.200 --> 0:49:41.160 just captures the rabbit holeness of QLs, Eddie Grant into 0:49:41.239 --> 0:49:44.719 Cat Stevens and everywhere in between. And we'll close this 0:49:44.800 --> 0:49:47.080 and we'll catch up with you guys soon. All right, 0:49:47.120 --> 0:49:51.840 thank you. What was your very first musical memory in life? 0:49:53.640 --> 0:49:57.120 And I know the first record I bought other than 0:49:57.120 --> 0:49:59.920 my parents playing music in the car, right, which probably 0:50:00.040 --> 0:50:03.640 always the Beatles. This is so funny, but I remember 0:50:03.840 --> 0:50:09.319 very distinctly buying the Eddie Grant Electric Avenue. Electric that 0:50:09.400 --> 0:50:11.600 I like it was, but it was like like a tick. 0:50:11.719 --> 0:50:14.160 I played the song like my parents were like I 0:50:14.200 --> 0:50:15.400 never need to hear the song. 0:50:15.280 --> 0:50:19.520 Again, so what uh, it's not unusual. It's to John mlaney, 0:50:20.160 --> 0:50:21.400 that's what electric Avenue was. 0:50:21.440 --> 0:50:22.000 To use the kid. 0:50:22.280 --> 0:50:24.560 It was like it was like ad nauseum all day long. 0:50:24.920 --> 0:50:26.879 Please God, I don't ever want to hear it again. 0:50:26.960 --> 0:50:33.000 That song comes on, that song holds up, dude. Jimmy 0:50:33.040 --> 0:50:36.560 wanted him on the show to do Electric Avenue, and 0:50:36.640 --> 0:50:39.000 the first thing he wanted to do, you know, like 0:50:39.400 --> 0:50:42.040 artists might have that smells like teen spirit moment where 0:50:42.080 --> 0:50:44.959 they don't want to do the song that they're known for. 0:50:45.000 --> 0:50:47.680 Like Bobby mcfairn, like like, you know, like I want 0:50:47.719 --> 0:50:53.880 to do like play that so and so listen to 0:50:53.920 --> 0:50:56.360 the song and realize what it's about and then realize 0:50:56.360 --> 0:50:56.799 he should play. 0:50:56.840 --> 0:50:58.880 Okay, when he came on the show, you remember this, Steve, 0:50:59.239 --> 0:51:02.399 he wanted to do like a different version of it. 0:51:02.920 --> 0:51:04.480 He wanted to mix it with it. I don't want 0:51:04.520 --> 0:51:06.880 to dance like the other minor hits that. 0:51:06.760 --> 0:51:07.319 He wanted to do. 0:51:07.360 --> 0:51:10.560 The B side, time Warp Yes, yo, Wait, so do 0:51:10.600 --> 0:51:14.440 you know about time Warp? No, dude, So time Warp is. 0:51:15.160 --> 0:51:18.200 I didn't even notice this, but we've all heard time Warp. 0:51:18.960 --> 0:51:22.399 So Time Warris is kind of a song of his 0:51:22.800 --> 0:51:25.320 that was like a B side that wound up being 0:51:26.000 --> 0:51:28.360 not him going rogue the only way I can describe it, 0:51:28.400 --> 0:51:31.680 you know, like dog was a donut on Cat Stevens's record. Wow, 0:51:31.760 --> 0:51:32.800 that's a metaphor. 0:51:32.920 --> 0:51:33.759 That is a deep cut. 0:51:34.960 --> 0:51:40.120 It's like an instrumental. Right, it's an instrumental. Okay, So Encyclopedia. 0:51:41.520 --> 0:51:46.000 In seventy seven, Cat Stevens had a synthesizer endorsement deal 0:51:46.040 --> 0:51:49.040 with the company of which he promised, like, Okay, one 0:51:49.040 --> 0:51:51.680 of these songs, I'll play your instruments on the record. 0:51:51.880 --> 0:51:55.040 But Cat Stevens ain't necessarily a synth based artist, he's 0:51:55.040 --> 0:51:59.840 like acoustic yeah, you don't say right, And so basically 0:52:00.120 --> 0:52:03.040 that the penultimate cut, like the song before the album ends, 0:52:03.440 --> 0:52:06.880 he did a quickie, little four minute demonstration song of 0:52:06.920 --> 0:52:11.000 this new drum machine and whatever, and it actually fucked 0:52:11.000 --> 0:52:13.640 around and wound up being like a bee boy classic. 0:52:14.440 --> 0:52:19.600 But who's about right now Stevens, which into Adam, let's 0:52:19.600 --> 0:52:23.319 get Seddie and then back to my mind just exploded. 0:52:26.400 --> 0:52:31.640 This is dog wasn't donut by uh oh okay, yeah right, 0:52:31.800 --> 0:52:35.319 which is basically like this is that's what you went? 0:52:35.480 --> 0:52:37.279 Adams, Like, where do we start with this? 0:52:37.360 --> 0:52:42.520 He that's not castaing. It is because he contractually had 0:52:42.560 --> 0:52:45.520 to make a song up with all this darm machines. 0:52:46.160 --> 0:52:47.520 That's a weird contractualbligation. 0:52:47.560 --> 0:52:50.319 Nineteen seventy seven. He was the first with the like 0:52:50.640 --> 0:52:52.920 Lynn drum and all that stuff. So he made this 0:52:52.960 --> 0:52:56.160 ship and of course the b boy community press work 0:52:56.680 --> 0:52:59.520 immediately picked up on it and it became a classic 0:52:59.560 --> 0:53:02.319 unbetown to him. But the same way Eddie Grant. Eddie 0:53:02.360 --> 0:53:07.000 Grant did kind of an Overheim synthesizer song called time Work, 0:53:07.160 --> 0:53:09.359 which is he had. 0:53:09.320 --> 0:53:11.320 A foot in that door already though that the cast 0:53:11.320 --> 0:53:13.799 even ship is crazy. Yeah, I never heard anything like 0:53:13.800 --> 0:53:16.120 that in my life from him, Like, what was that? 0:53:16.160 --> 0:53:16.719 I want to hear it. 0:53:16.760 --> 0:53:19.160 I didn't know, right, none of us knew what it 0:53:19.160 --> 0:53:19.399 was him. 0:53:19.760 --> 0:53:21.000 You've got to get this. 0:53:21.239 --> 0:53:24.160 So this, this is the B side of Electric Avenue. 0:53:28.680 --> 0:53:32.520 So basically, at Paradise Garage this became an anthem. And 0:53:32.560 --> 0:53:35.000 if it's played at Paradise Garage, it also means that 0:53:35.080 --> 0:53:37.680 at Crocker is also playing it on his radio show. 0:53:38.239 --> 0:53:43.240 So Eddie Grant wanted to come and do Time. 0:53:43.120 --> 0:53:45.480 Ward came back, We got full circle. 0:53:46.040 --> 0:53:49.359 I'm there, I'm very focused in the morning, and now 0:53:49.400 --> 0:53:57.280 the show's over. Thank you very much, Eddie Grant. Really anyway, 0:53:57.360 --> 0:53:59.120 so you loved Electric Avenue. 0:54:01.960 --> 0:54:03.760 He came and wanted to do the B side. 0:54:03.960 --> 0:54:05.200 Yeah, he's just crazy. 0:54:05.440 --> 0:54:09.400 Jimmy is always watching the music guests from his dressing 0:54:09.440 --> 0:54:11.919 room or his office because he has a monitor in there, 0:54:12.400 --> 0:54:14.200 and he tries not to come out and freak out 0:54:14.200 --> 0:54:16.200 the people that early in the morning. But that's the 0:54:16.200 --> 0:54:19.400 one time in which you know, we're like, okay, so 0:54:19.440 --> 0:54:21.879 we'll do one verse of Electric Avenue and then we'll 0:54:21.880 --> 0:54:23.960 do Time Warp, and which you're not singing at all. 0:54:24.800 --> 0:54:28.560 Jimmy ran in and it was like, guys, no, I 0:54:28.680 --> 0:54:31.719 need you to do electric avenue. And then at that 0:54:31.960 --> 0:54:34.680 he wanted to do like a blues harmonica version of it. 0:54:34.760 --> 0:54:38.160 Oh god, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's hard when that's like 0:54:38.440 --> 0:54:40.240 we had, right. 0:54:40.080 --> 0:54:42.000 We had to wrestle him out of that and just 0:54:42.000 --> 0:54:45.000 do regular ass letric avenue. 0:54:45.000 --> 0:54:48.440 You guys had already like sampled all the weird little samples. 0:54:48.000 --> 0:54:51.880 In all the little all those little stuff Burbson's frame. 0:54:52.520 --> 0:54:55.200 It's like Ray Parker not doing Ghostbusters some ship like that. 0:54:55.440 --> 0:54:56.520 True, Yeah's true. 0:54:56.800 --> 0:55:05.800 So Huey lewis not doing Ghostbusters. 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