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Speaker 2: Hi, Welcome to the Blackoutess podcast, your host Rod and Kare,

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Speaker 2: and we're in the house on a Wednesday. Today is

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Speaker 2: a very special Wednesday. We got all the audio from

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Speaker 2: the panels we were on at pocon and we wanted

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Speaker 2: and hope you guys really enjoy it. Of course, you

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Speaker 2: this case, the panels we were on we were on

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Speaker 2: three different ones. They were about an hour each. The

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Speaker 2: first one is called being a Podcaster of Color. We

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Speaker 2: had a great time on that panel. Dylan Merrow was

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Speaker 2: the host of Francesca Ramsey was on there, a partner

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Speaker 2: think that was probably my favorite panel that we did.

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Speaker 2: I would say, I don't know if you had a favorite.

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Speaker 2: And then we had Podcasting about Tough Topics, which is

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Speaker 2: another another one that we did.

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Speaker 3: Yes, one of my favorite ones.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I did too, man, And I believe Ashley was

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Speaker 2: the host for Podcasting about Tough Topics. She has a

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Speaker 2: then we also had we Love Communities where we talked

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Speaker 2: as well. Just I mean, look, there's this podcasters podcasters

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Speaker 2: on podcasters. Hopefully you guys enjoy this audio and introduced

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Speaker 2: And we'll let you guys know the schedule for all

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Speaker 2: enjoyed this extra long live panel edition of the Blackout Tips.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much, guys.

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Speaker 4: Peace, Hello everyone, how are you guys doing.

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Speaker 2: Good?

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Speaker 4: This is a welcome to being a podcaster of color.

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Speaker 4: You have found the rare unicorn room of podcasters of color.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, we are rare.

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Speaker 4: Unicorns, and I am so proud of us for just

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Speaker 4: We are a small minority, but we are a loud

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Speaker 3: So just to kick us off, I.

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Speaker 4: ourselves and the podcast that we work on and I

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Speaker 5: With my name's Paul Bay. I write and produce The

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Speaker 6: Hi, I'm Francesca Ramsey and I co host Last Name

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Speaker 7: I'm Karen Morrow and I co host The Black Guy

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Speaker 4: Okay, okay, so let us just call it like it is.

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Speaker 2: Podcasting is white, white, white white.

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Speaker 4: It is a white field and God bless white people, but.

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Speaker 4: It is an elephant in the room that we must address.

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Speaker 2: Your only your voice matters.

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Speaker 5: It doesn't matter what you look like, but it still

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Speaker 5: stings as someone from entertainment to have to watch Asian

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Speaker 5: So as a as someone who writes and produces audio fiction,

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Speaker 5: and we'll put her in our world. And then we

440
00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:06,320
Speaker 5: started the casting and it was really interesting because this

441
00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:08,159
Speaker 5: is the story that's percolating in my mind, and I

442
00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:11,760
Speaker 5: always had an Asians as the lead, with the doctor

443
00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:14,040
Speaker 5: Strand who's white and part to represent Terry and me

444
00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:16,200
Speaker 5: who's white, I'm Asian. And so we cast our friend

445
00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:19,159
Speaker 5: Laurie Henry who's half Chinese, but in her foot no

446
00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:22,600
Speaker 5: one knew she was half Chinese because she looks totally white,

447
00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:24,760
Speaker 5: and so she felt every time she went on the form,

448
00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:26,440
Speaker 5: she goes, how come people don't know I'm half Chinese.

449
00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:27,960
Speaker 5: I'm like, well should put It's up to you if

450
00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:29,399
Speaker 5: you want to put out the photos or not. And

451
00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:32,720
Speaker 5: then even our cast was like ethnically diverse, but people

452
00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:34,840
Speaker 5: hear the voice, and so when they hear the voice,

453
00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:36,920
Speaker 5: they think that's a white person. Even though the name

454
00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:39,400
Speaker 5: is Sally Wong, They're like, that's still a white person, Like.

455
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Speaker 3: That's what that's what they're hearing.

456
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Speaker 5: And it's like and it's become a challenge in at

457
00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:46,440
Speaker 5: least in the fictional sphere, to like, well, we're casting

458
00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:48,840
Speaker 5: with diversity in mind, we have the names, we don't

459
00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:51,600
Speaker 5: know what else to do. So people picture diversity. It's

460
00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:53,000
Speaker 5: it's hard to do in a podcast, have to have

461
00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:55,680
Speaker 5: people picture a diverse thing unless you have them walk

462
00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:57,680
Speaker 5: in and let's meet it at an Indian restaurant, okay

463
00:23:57,680 --> 00:23:59,440
Speaker 5: because my family owns it. Unless you do something like that,

464
00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:01,000
Speaker 5: but they won't picture that.

465
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Speaker 6: Yep, that's really funny because that's kind of like what

466
00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:07,159
Speaker 6: happened with The Hunger Games, right, where like Rue was

467
00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:12,320
Speaker 6: explained to be brown like numerous times in the story.

468
00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:14,320
Speaker 6: I mean, I think that that speaks to Dylan kind

469
00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:16,159
Speaker 6: of what you were talking about in terms of like

470
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Speaker 6: people assuming that what they're hearing is not reflective of

471
00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:21,919
Speaker 6: them or but for white people, they're so used to

472
00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:25,040
Speaker 6: being represented that they assume that everything is a representation

473
00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:28,119
Speaker 6: of them. So yeah, that's really that is something that

474
00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:30,800
Speaker 6: I again would not have thought of because when I

475
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Speaker 6: read Slash listened to The Hunger Games on tape, Like

476
00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:36,800
Speaker 6: that's a thing. My husband alwaysays like, you can't say

477
00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:38,800
Speaker 6: you read the Hunger Games because you listened to the

478
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Speaker 6: audio book.

479
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Speaker 3: And I'm like, can either.

480
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Speaker 6: I to me, it was clear, like I heard them

481
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Speaker 6: how they described her. So it was very interesting to

482
00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:51,560
Speaker 6: me when there was that backlash, when there were white

483
00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:54,680
Speaker 6: fans or white listeners that were really upset with how

484
00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:57,320
Speaker 6: Ru was portrayed. And then we even saw that with

485
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Speaker 6: the stage version of Harry Potter, where people were really upset,

486
00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:04,160
Speaker 6: you know, the fact that there were brown cast members.

487
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:05,920
Speaker 6: So I don't know, I think not that I have

488
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:08,240
Speaker 6: something special to contribute outside of the fact that people

489
00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:10,919
Speaker 6: are just assuming that the world is looking like them

490
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:13,480
Speaker 6: because they're so used to it. But maybe that's the

491
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Speaker 6: reason that we need to continue in inhabiting these spaces

492
00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:17,119
Speaker 6: to disrupt that.

493
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Speaker 4: And I think just to continue this like the whiteness's

494
00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:25,440
Speaker 4: default is like when people are putting together a podcast

495
00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:28,560
Speaker 4: and it's not about race, they don't immediately think of

496
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:31,679
Speaker 4: any person of color, right, you know, I'll take a

497
00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:33,080
Speaker 4: few snaps I got for that.

498
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Speaker 9: Can I can?

499
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Speaker 6: I also tag onto that to say that it is

500
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:41,439
Speaker 6: interesting to me also that when unfortunately you look at

501
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:44,080
Speaker 6: some of the lineups, even at this very con the

502
00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:47,040
Speaker 6: people of color have been relegated to a podcast, to

503
00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:50,480
Speaker 6: a panel about podcasting and color, when in reality, all

504
00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:53,679
Speaker 6: of us have experiences and expertise and things that have

505
00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:55,920
Speaker 6: nothing to do with the fact that we are people

506
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Speaker 6: of color.

507
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Speaker 10: And we see this also with LGBTQ folks.

508
00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:00,840
Speaker 6: Where they get relegated to a panel that is just

509
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:03,520
Speaker 6: about their identity. While that does shape how they see

510
00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:05,359
Speaker 6: the world and how they move through the world, I

511
00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:08,040
Speaker 6: think it's also really important that we and I think

512
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:09,920
Speaker 6: this is a place where our allies need to step

513
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:11,840
Speaker 6: up and not just wear the safety pen they need

514
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:14,919
Speaker 6: to ask for us to be in those spaces to

515
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:18,240
Speaker 6: say that, like, when we are doing a panel about

516
00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:21,600
Speaker 6: whatever it may be, let's make sure that we have

517
00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:24,600
Speaker 6: diverse voices on this panel, not because we need to

518
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:27,000
Speaker 6: check off a box, but because diverse voices are going

519
00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:29,720
Speaker 6: to bring something better to the panel that a panel

520
00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:31,640
Speaker 6: full of white dudes might not be.

521
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Speaker 10: Able to speak on.

522
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Speaker 6: And I saw this, you know, I love Vidcoon, and

523
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:39,040
Speaker 6: I had seen that previously, and I was glad that

524
00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:41,080
Speaker 6: it was brought up so that we started making sure

525
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Speaker 6: that diverse voices were a part of all of the panels,

526
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Speaker 6: not just the panels that were about being a diverse voice.

527
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Speaker 7: Yes to all of that.

528
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:51,480
Speaker 3: That's how I snap.

529
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Speaker 4: So one of the amazing things about podcasts and podcasting

530
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Speaker 4: is that there are much you are gatekeepers, you can

531
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:06,280
Speaker 4: green light yourself, you can kind of challenge yourself to

532
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:09,919
Speaker 4: do things that don't get through on television. I know,

533
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:14,320
Speaker 4: Aparna and Francesca, you're you're deeply aware of the kind

534
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:19,080
Speaker 4: of television realm, and many people are also aware of

535
00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:22,320
Speaker 4: other mediums. But in podcasting, you can challenge yourself and

536
00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:25,560
Speaker 4: do things that wouldn't necessarily be approved by a network board.

537
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:28,240
Speaker 4: And so I wanted to know from from all of

538
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:32,320
Speaker 4: you guys, what are challenges, what are what are kind

539
00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:34,520
Speaker 4: of things that you have found that you have been

540
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:38,600
Speaker 4: able to do that is only possible because you've greenlit yourself.

541
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Speaker 2: Well, I know, for us, playing games with serious shit

542
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:46,399
Speaker 2: is a very big part of our podcast, and we

543
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:48,360
Speaker 2: can only do that because we're our own bosses.

544
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:51,480
Speaker 7: Like they would not approves the race, They would not

545
00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:54,240
Speaker 7: approve fucking with black people. They were like, y'all need

546
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:55,880
Speaker 7: to go ahead and take that on off the air.

547
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:58,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, So, like we've been able to kind of carve

548
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:01,840
Speaker 2: out space is for us to be like, we want

549
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 2: to talk about racism because it's happening, it's in our lives.

550
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:07,880
Speaker 2: Our listeners exceeded, they experience it, they they're aware of it.

551
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 2: Some may even need to be educated on it. But

552
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:12,040
Speaker 2: we also don't want to be like boring you or

553
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:16,080
Speaker 2: Debbie Donna, like like Francesca said, so we try to

554
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:18,359
Speaker 2: make it fun. You know where how much was I

555
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:21,800
Speaker 2: fucked with by this article? Let's guess the race of somebody.

556
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 2: We have a segment called White People News where we

557
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:28,440
Speaker 2: just we just we just read about like Ben Affleck

558
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:31,679
Speaker 2: cheating on his wife and being like, all shit, Jennifer

559
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:32,800
Speaker 2: Garner did what you.

560
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:34,480
Speaker 3: Know, and I love it.

561
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 7: Like by the time you finish, you're like, it's a

562
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 7: fresher breath air.

563
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 3: You'd be like, oh my god, what did.

564
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:41,440
Speaker 9: She have on?

565
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:44,680
Speaker 2: Right? But I could, I could understand that we had

566
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 2: to pitch that to somebody to get to do that.

567
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:49,520
Speaker 2: Depending on that person, they may be just offended at

568
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:51,880
Speaker 2: the idea of us being white People News, you know.

569
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:54,480
Speaker 2: I mean Facebook kicks us off for saying, like, man,

570
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:57,440
Speaker 2: the white people were tripping, like that's racist, you know. So,

571
00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:00,440
Speaker 2: so like we don't have that arbitr. So without that gate,

572
00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 2: we're also able to super serve like a black community,

573
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:07,600
Speaker 2: a brown community, LGBTQ community. We're able to just be

574
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:11,520
Speaker 2: like we're gonna uncompromisingly be on somebody's side without having

575
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:16,560
Speaker 2: to pretend to do this like performative and partiality of Well,

576
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:19,040
Speaker 2: everyone has kind of a point. I mean, should we

577
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:22,520
Speaker 2: punch Nazis in the face or should we like like

578
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:24,760
Speaker 2: like I get to like like we get to come

579
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 2: on the air and just be like, oh to just

580
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 2: see that mother.

581
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:29,600
Speaker 3: We want like that's the kind.

582
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Speaker 2: Of thing that we can do without having these gatekeepers.

583
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Speaker 7: And I kind of want to add on when you

584
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 7: was talking about voices. Now, one thing I can say

585
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:45,160
Speaker 7: about us is that I'm very country. So when so

586
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:48,719
Speaker 7: it's one thing about me even though my name sounds white, Karen,

587
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:53,320
Speaker 7: you know, when when I start talking, you go, oh,

588
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:56,000
Speaker 7: that's a black woman, and she's a Southern black woman.

589
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 7: And so a lot of times when people hear my voice,

590
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:01,440
Speaker 7: we've even had people kind of write in and critique

591
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:03,720
Speaker 7: just my voice and the way I sound. You sound

592
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:05,960
Speaker 7: too country, You sound ignorant, you know, because a lot

593
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:07,920
Speaker 7: of people have these preconceived.

594
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:09,080
Speaker 3: Notions about people from the South anyway.

595
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Speaker 7: And then it's just one of those things where we

596
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 7: had to get people to break those break that chain

597
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:17,960
Speaker 7: across their mind because a lot of times we have

598
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:20,600
Speaker 7: people that write go at first, I didn't like Karen's voice.

599
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:23,920
Speaker 7: But after I start you know, listening, she began to

600
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 7: you know, warm me up and stuff like that.

601
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Speaker 2: So we had if we had like a boss, that

602
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 2: person may have been like, let's just take Karen off

603
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:33,760
Speaker 2: the show. Let's put someone else in. So we were

604
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 2: able to kind of avoid that and be like, what

605
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:37,840
Speaker 2: I'm gonna replace my wife. We have to do this together.

606
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:41,120
Speaker 2: This is the show. Guys, just go somewhere else.

607
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 6: For Pat and I. You know, I think what's really

608
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:47,320
Speaker 6: cool about our podcast is we are an interracial couple.

609
00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:49,920
Speaker 6: But our show is not about being an interracial couple.

610
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:53,280
Speaker 6: Like and I think oftentimes when you, first of all,

611
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:56,800
Speaker 6: when we see interracial couples presented in media, it's oftentimes

612
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Speaker 6: a white woman with a person of color. It's very

613
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:04,240
Speaker 6: rarely a black woman with you know, someone that is

614
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 6: not black, with maybe the exception of Scandal, which I

615
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 6: guess that was like scandalous and for that reason, and

616
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 6: so I like that our show is not exclusively focused

617
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:18,080
Speaker 6: on that. And for that reason, it's not like hacky

618
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 6: because it's not about that. It's about a couple that

619
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 6: happens to be interracial. And so we do have differences

620
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:26,360
Speaker 6: of opinions, and we do have different experiences, and we

621
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 6: can laugh and have fun and talk about those things

622
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:29,840
Speaker 6: in an authentic way.

623
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Speaker 3: I think that if we had.

624
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Speaker 6: You know, we were lucky that we joined a network

625
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:37,960
Speaker 6: later on after our podcast had already been established, so

626
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 6: they knew what we were doing. I think that if

627
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:43,080
Speaker 6: we had had producers involved from the start, there is

628
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:45,040
Speaker 6: a potential that they might have wanted to change the

629
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 6: direction of our show or or ask us to really

630
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 6: talk about like how hard it is for us as

631
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:53,480
Speaker 6: a couple, Like what's it really like, you know, like

632
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:55,840
Speaker 6: how how difficult or what are the what happens when

633
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:58,560
Speaker 6: you walk down the street, And it's like the same

634
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 6: things that happened when lots of couples walk down the street, right,

635
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 6: And so I find that oftentimes when I'm explaining the

636
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:08,240
Speaker 6: show to people and then they see like our artwork

637
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 6: and they're like, oh, I had like you're an interracial couple,

638
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:11,840
Speaker 6: and I'm like, yeah, but that's not really what the

639
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:12,560
Speaker 6: show was about.

640
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 12: I really like that.

641
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 6: It just makes us a normal couple. And it's interesting

642
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 6: that we've built an audience that has lots of interracial

643
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 6: couples and they say they enjoyed the show because we

644
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:23,520
Speaker 6: talk to each other the same way that they do,

645
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 6: and it just feels fun and very honest.

646
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 8: It's interesting when Jacqueline and I were first pitching Blue

647
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 8: Woman Group to a couple different podcast networks, I think

648
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:35,800
Speaker 8: one of them was like.

649
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:37,760
Speaker 3: Oh, well, we all we already have.

650
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:41,960
Speaker 8: A show with like two women comedians and they might

651
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:45,360
Speaker 8: sometimes talk about mental health, Like their podcast isn't even

652
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:47,880
Speaker 8: about mental health, it's just like they also have.

653
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 10: Brains, so you know, it's very similar.

654
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:54,160
Speaker 3: So I think there's still.

655
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Speaker 8: This idea when when you're I don't know, when you're

656
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Speaker 8: a person of color, you're even just a woman or

657
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Speaker 8: a minority in any sense of the words, or a

658
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 8: marginalized group, like people still think there's only so many

659
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:09,720
Speaker 8: slots so you can feel and your experience is still

660
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:15,720
Speaker 8: somehow niche and whereas like, you know, meanwhile, like fifty

661
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:19,240
Speaker 8: white men through the gate talking about a variation of

662
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:22,720
Speaker 8: you know, food or something, and you're like, but it's different.

663
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:26,760
Speaker 8: So I think it's still like you still have to

664
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 8: carve out your own space in a lot of senses,

665
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:33,360
Speaker 8: because I think even though podcasting is now a bigger

666
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:36,440
Speaker 8: industry and there is more money being allocated to it

667
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:40,280
Speaker 8: in companies, Like it's still, like you're saying, primarily a

668
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:42,480
Speaker 8: white space, white dominated.

669
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:46,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, there's this episode of Big Loop I just put

670
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:48,960
Speaker 5: out and it caused quite a story if you if

671
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 5: you suffer from depression, don't listen to it because it's

672
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:53,600
Speaker 5: about dying and it's a story I've been trying to

673
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:55,960
Speaker 5: write for a long time. And because it's my personal

674
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 5: anxiety about that thought, the story, uh you know, I

675
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 5: I'm assists male, and so I have to I'm writing

676
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 5: a personal thing about what I'm experiencing. And when I

677
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 5: tried to cast it, I tried to write it. When

678
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:09,799
Speaker 5: I write fiction, I try to imagine parts of real

679
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 5: people I know. And it's about the last human in space,

680
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:14,360
Speaker 5: last human in the universe, and the partner that is

681
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:16,879
Speaker 5: sent to go on a useless mission to repopulate another

682
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:20,800
Speaker 5: planet with pods. And I couldn't imagine a single couple

683
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:23,759
Speaker 5: I knew like that NASA would pick and go YouTube

684
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:26,120
Speaker 5: need to be stuck in the small craft for seven

685
00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 5: years to travel, like, I couldn't based it on me

686
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:30,359
Speaker 5: and my wife because there's no one to pick. Us

687
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:33,319
Speaker 5: would kill each other, and I couldn't think of a

688
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:38,000
Speaker 5: single single straight couple. I knew that anyone would pick

689
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:39,200
Speaker 5: to go out in there. And then all of a sudden,

690
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:40,279
Speaker 5: I'm just going through all my lists, and then all

691
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:41,839
Speaker 5: of a sudden, I thought of my friends Wendy and Emma,

692
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:43,480
Speaker 5: because they invited me to their wedding, and I'm.

693
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:45,040
Speaker 2: Like, Jesus, it's you. It's you two.

694
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:47,359
Speaker 5: You never fight. Wendy could have been an astronaut. She's

695
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:50,080
Speaker 5: a medical professional. Like, she's so calm and she would

696
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:53,960
Speaker 5: never panics. So and so in my story, the last

697
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 5: human in the universe is a queer woman of color.

698
00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:58,560
Speaker 5: If it ever becomes a movie, that'll never happen. Right

699
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:01,120
Speaker 5: unless I fight for it, right like that, you'll never

700
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:02,000
Speaker 5: see Scarlet.

701
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 13: Joe Hanson could do it.

702
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:26,359
Speaker 14: The movie studios can believe, like giant transformers and elves

703
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:30,640
Speaker 14: and all types, not a queer woman of color being

704
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:31,839
Speaker 14: the last person on Earth.

705
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 3: That's that's a leap for It.

706
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:37,280
Speaker 4: Just wouldn't be. It's just not realistic. It's like also,

707
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 4: the earth blowing up isn't either, but hey, it's actually

708
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:41,200
Speaker 4: that is realistic.

709
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:45,840
Speaker 3: Moving on, there are many.

710
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:50,880
Speaker 4: Potentially aspiring podcasters here in this room.

711
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:53,360
Speaker 3: Uh, and what.

712
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:56,120
Speaker 4: Is your advice? What would you give to people who

713
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:59,839
Speaker 4: have wanted to crack into podcasting and haven't yet.

714
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 2: You should start that shit and be the number one

715
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:06,440
Speaker 2: thing is And I'm serious. I know it sounds cliche,

716
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 2: but you need to be in it for yourself because

717
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:12,239
Speaker 2: you can't really guarantee anything else. You don't know how

718
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:14,400
Speaker 2: many people gonna listen. You know you's gonna find it

719
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:18,239
Speaker 2: entertaining any of that stuff, right, And then the other

720
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:20,440
Speaker 2: thing is you have to be consistent. Once again, not

721
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 2: very sexy, but those like I think the average podcast

722
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 2: doesn't make it past six episodes or something like that,

723
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:31,799
Speaker 2: So there's all these like failed podcasts, Like you know,

724
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:34,680
Speaker 2: but if you kind of do it for yourself, you're

725
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 2: not as worried about the feedback, You're not as worried

726
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 2: about what other people think of their popularity. You're doing

727
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 2: it for yourself, so you want to get better at

728
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:45,360
Speaker 2: it like any hobby, right, Like when you start jogging,

729
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 2: you don't job for other people. You job for yourself, right,

730
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:51,359
Speaker 2: and you measure yourself against yourself, And I think those

731
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 2: would be the most two crucial elements. And if you

732
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 2: are a person of color in this room that wants

733
00:36:56,080 --> 00:37:00,200
Speaker 2: to start podcast. Just understand what audience are you talking to? Like,

734
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:03,800
Speaker 2: this is a language that it's not it's not overt,

735
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:06,440
Speaker 2: it's a language you hear people. It's kind of subversive.

736
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:08,400
Speaker 2: You can listen to someone you can see when like,

737
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 2: we have to pick our all of us, we're all

738
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:12,759
Speaker 2: all the black people already know, but you have to

739
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:15,279
Speaker 2: pick when you're talking to an audience. Right, So there's

740
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:17,279
Speaker 2: sometimes where you're like, I'm gonna explain this thing and

741
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 2: I'm imagining some white person that doesn't get it, and

742
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:21,879
Speaker 2: I'm gonna try to approach them. I'm gonna explain this thing,

743
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 2: and I'm talking to somebody like me and they already

744
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 2: do get it, and they just want to go amen,

745
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:28,719
Speaker 2: halleluy and high five. Right, So you have to have

746
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:30,800
Speaker 2: all those things in mind when you create your product

747
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 2: and when you start, and don't be too todd to

748
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:35,320
Speaker 2: it because everything of alves we didn't always play games.

749
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:39,760
Speaker 2: Our first episode, in addition to audio quality, sounded terrible.

750
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:42,920
Speaker 2: The first episode, I think the first words out of

751
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 2: our mouth is like We're just not gonna be like

752
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 2: political or like controversial or anything, you know, we just

753
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 2: want to talk and we don't. Now it's like the

754
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:53,320
Speaker 2: whole show is it's like, man, fuck Trump.

755
00:37:53,440 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 7: So I think my thing would be, don't compare yourself

756
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:03,239
Speaker 7: to any of the podcasts. I think when people first

757
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:05,840
Speaker 7: start off, they ask people, you know, what can I do?

758
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:07,879
Speaker 7: Which is fine, But a lot of times people look

759
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:10,680
Speaker 7: at their size and their audience when you first start off,

760
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 7: and you try to compare yourself.

761
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:13,880
Speaker 3: But your road is your road.

762
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 7: Our road is our road, and you don't know where

763
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:18,680
Speaker 7: your road will take you. And when you try to

764
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:21,319
Speaker 7: mimic somebody else, you limit where your road takes you,

765
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 7: trying to follow behind somebody else, because like with us,

766
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 7: we did our lane and our lane just hapen to

767
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 7: take us here. Your lane may take you completely somewhere else.

768
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:34,400
Speaker 7: And be willing to change, be willing to evolve, be

769
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:38,239
Speaker 7: willing to grow, be willing to adjust, you know, be

770
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:40,800
Speaker 7: willing to grow as your audience grows. You know a

771
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 7: lot of times people go again the podcasts, but they

772
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 7: don't understand once that growth comes, there's certain standards and

773
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:47,560
Speaker 7: expectations to kind of go along with that, and you

774
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 7: have to be willing.

775
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:50,360
Speaker 3: To adjust to those things.

776
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:52,720
Speaker 7: How do you adjust the feedback how do you adjust

777
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:55,719
Speaker 7: the criticism? You know, like that goes along with the

778
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:58,480
Speaker 7: platform too, you know, because when you first start, your

779
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 7: circles are tight. So with your circles are tight, everybody

780
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 7: comes normally.

781
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:04,919
Speaker 3: Loves you because hey, I love you, Da da da.

782
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 7: But what happens once you get to the point where

783
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 7: you begin to reach people that don't like you, or

784
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:12,360
Speaker 7: you begin to reach people that might not like you

785
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 7: for whatever reasons, Like how do you handle those things?

786
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:17,920
Speaker 7: And those are things that new podcasters don't think about

787
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:18,839
Speaker 7: until they get there.

788
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:22,480
Speaker 3: And then sometimes they respond goodness, then sometimes they respond badly.

789
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:25,400
Speaker 7: It varies, you know, And a lot of times that

790
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:27,400
Speaker 7: has to do with personality, because we've gotten to the

791
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:30,240
Speaker 7: point where once you get to a certain status whatever

792
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:32,440
Speaker 7: that magical status number is that I don't know what

793
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 7: it is now, you have to just not respond.

794
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 3: And sometimes it's human nature.

795
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:40,279
Speaker 7: It's very hard not to respond, particularly when something is

796
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 7: coming at you negative, something that you feel is not just,

797
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 7: something that you feel is not right, something that you

798
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:46,640
Speaker 7: feel like you have to speak on. You know, that's

799
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:49,239
Speaker 7: very hard for people just to go the energy that

800
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:51,920
Speaker 7: I'm putting into you, I could be investing into my Baby,

801
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:54,480
Speaker 7: which is my podcast, you know. So you have to

802
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:56,600
Speaker 7: learn how to allocate your time and your energy. And

803
00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:59,359
Speaker 7: like Roger said, the biggest thing is consistency. That's one

804
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 7: thing that we see. If you can only do a

805
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 7: podcast once a month, stick to that schedule. Like for us,

806
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 7: we do five days a week, but we also don't

807
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:09,440
Speaker 7: plan things around that time. Doctor deportment, Nope, can't do that.

808
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:11,760
Speaker 7: I got a family function, Nope, can't make it. Because

809
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:14,239
Speaker 7: this is priority to us, you know, but a lot

810
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:16,440
Speaker 7: of people And the thing is, it's a difference between

811
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:18,520
Speaker 7: you doing it for a living and you're doing.

812
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 3: It for a hobby, because a lot of people podcasts

813
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:20,640
Speaker 3: for hobby.

814
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 7: Just be real with yourself and say, I'm doing this

815
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:24,880
Speaker 7: for a hobby and you can and every episode can

816
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:27,319
Speaker 7: be me back, that's cool. But if you're actually doing

817
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:30,239
Speaker 7: it because you actually want to produce something, you have

818
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:32,160
Speaker 7: to be consistent because the only way you gonna grow

819
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:34,440
Speaker 7: your audience. They got to know at twelve oh one

820
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:37,359
Speaker 7: on Tuesday night, your podcast is coming up, because if

821
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:39,360
Speaker 7: it don't, we changed our day one day and people

822
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 7: sitting us, hey, what.

823
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:42,600
Speaker 3: A podcast like you media A I checked last.

824
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:44,759
Speaker 7: Night and it wasn't there, you know, because they have

825
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 7: got conditioned to that.

826
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Speaker 6: I would just like to say, Karen, I would like

827
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:50,279
Speaker 6: for you to be in my life, coach.

828
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:52,080
Speaker 10: I know I ain't.

829
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:57,120
Speaker 6: Yeah, A lot of those things had nothing to do

830
00:40:57,239 --> 00:41:00,560
Speaker 6: with the podcasting, right, just like thinking about stay on

831
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:01,319
Speaker 6: your own path, I.

832
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:04,600
Speaker 3: Was like, you are so right, stay on my path.

833
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:08,080
Speaker 3: I agree with all of those things.

834
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:10,959
Speaker 6: I really liked what you were saying about just being

835
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:15,200
Speaker 6: adapting to change. And I think as content creators, no

836
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:17,279
Speaker 6: matter what medium you're working in, I see a lot

837
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:20,880
Speaker 6: of people become stagnant because they've decided that this is

838
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 6: the thing they're going to do, and like this is

839
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:24,400
Speaker 6: the thing that they're working towards and it has to

840
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 6: be this thing. And sometimes I think you don't realize

841
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 6: that the thing that you've decided that you want is

842
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:32,400
Speaker 6: not really for you, or it's not meant for you

843
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:35,759
Speaker 6: at that time, or maybe you've had times in your

844
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:37,799
Speaker 6: life where you look back and you realize something that

845
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:40,400
Speaker 6: you really really wanted it didn't work out because it

846
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:42,080
Speaker 6: wasn't meant to work out and it just or you

847
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:44,239
Speaker 6: weren't really prepared for it, or it wasn't really the

848
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:46,440
Speaker 6: right field for you. I think the same thing is

849
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 6: true for content creation of any kind. You might set

850
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:51,680
Speaker 6: out a goal for yourself and if you don't reach it,

851
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:54,439
Speaker 6: it doesn't it's not a negative reflection of you. Maybe

852
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 6: that just wasn't the thing you were supposed to do.

853
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:58,359
Speaker 6: And so I feel similarly when we look back at

854
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 6: our podcast, that we were doing things that we don't

855
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:04,520
Speaker 6: do anymore, and that suddenly we started doing something. We realized, oh,

856
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:06,200
Speaker 6: this was just something we did on a whim that

857
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:08,800
Speaker 6: was really funny and we really enjoyed and the audience

858
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 6: ended up liking it, and so we're going to keep

859
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 6: doing that, versus saying like, but no, I really liked

860
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:15,920
Speaker 6: this segment, and I want to keep doing this segment.

861
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 6: But like, if your audience is not responding to it,

862
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:20,480
Speaker 6: if that's not working, then you need to listen to

863
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:23,200
Speaker 6: them and you need to pivot and try something different.

864
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 6: And I think just being open to the possibility of

865
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:28,799
Speaker 6: change and how that might shape your podcast, I think

866
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:30,360
Speaker 6: is really helpful.

867
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:33,239
Speaker 2: Also just to piggyback, like when it comes to Justin,

868
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:36,680
Speaker 2: It's also like technology at a lot of stuff, it's

869
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:39,440
Speaker 2: on other people's platforms, which change, you know, Patreon is

870
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:41,799
Speaker 2: going through a change right now for a lot of

871
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:44,600
Speaker 2: podcasters that's going to add a feed to their users.

872
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 2: And now I have to figure out where do I go?

873
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:50,440
Speaker 2: Do I stay here? Do I you know, learning, like

874
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 2: if you're doing it yourself, learning your equipment, learning how

875
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:57,440
Speaker 2: to use programs to edit your stuff, Like that's knowledge

876
00:42:57,440 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 2: that can't be taken away from you. You know, you

877
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 2: could be a damn studio engineer basically without a degree,

878
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 2: just from this hobby, you know. So that's part of

879
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:06,439
Speaker 2: the adjustment as well.

880
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, if possible, like in my situation, if find out,

881
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:14,600
Speaker 5: like recognize what your weaknesses are and find good people

882
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:17,480
Speaker 5: whose strengths that you want to help you out, because

883
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 5: you know, I want to produce a podcast, but my

884
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:21,240
Speaker 5: weakness is I don't know how to produce a podcast.

885
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:25,120
Speaker 5: I had somebody in my life who knew exactly how

886
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:28,839
Speaker 5: to produce a podcast. And also mind's a little different

887
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:30,839
Speaker 5: because it's an audio drama. If you're gonna produce an

888
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:33,239
Speaker 5: audio drama, here, make sure you can pitch it in

889
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:35,719
Speaker 5: one sentence. In the last eight months, there's been eight

890
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 5: times more podcasts entering the iTunes store, Apple podcast Store,

891
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:42,960
Speaker 5: So that's a lot too. Yeah, that's a lot of

892
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:44,400
Speaker 5: noise to cut through. So it make sure you can

893
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 5: pitch it like black tapes, we said, Okay, how we're

894
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 5: gonna pitch it's ghost Hunter doesn't believe in ghost what's big?

895
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 5: Loop Big? It's a black mirror, a cross love and radio.

896
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:50,560
Speaker 9: That's it.

897
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:52,279
Speaker 5: That's all we need to say, and it makes people

898
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:53,600
Speaker 5: nod their heads to go I'm into that.

899
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 9: So if you have an audio.

900
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 5: Fiction, makes sure you can do in one one flay

901
00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 5: of an elevator.

902
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:02,840
Speaker 8: I feel like everything good has been said.

903
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 10: I would I.

904
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:08,440
Speaker 2: Think I would. The only thing I would add is there.

905
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:10,919
Speaker 8: Is Yeah, there is so much content out there right now.

906
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:14,520
Speaker 8: I think as important as it is to be flexible

907
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 8: and to evolve and sort of have an ongoing process

908
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:20,840
Speaker 8: as to what your podcast is like, definitely go into

909
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:22,719
Speaker 8: it with some kind of point of view.

910
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 10: Like I just feel like there.

911
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:27,920
Speaker 8: Is still a like grotesque amount of podcasts that I've

912
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:29,840
Speaker 8: been a guest on where they're just like, you know,

913
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:32,880
Speaker 8: we just talk about stuff, and I'm like, that's not

914
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:38,800
Speaker 8: enough anymore, Like you're competing with one so much other content,

915
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 8: and two like the thoughts in your listener's head you

916
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:44,480
Speaker 8: have to be at least more interesting than that. So

917
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:48,560
Speaker 8: that's a low bar, but surprisingly higher than you would

918
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:51,320
Speaker 8: think for a lot of people who are starting podcasts.

919
00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:55,720
Speaker 4: Okay, so we have thirteen minutes left and I wanted

920
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 4: to open it up to questions from you all. So

921
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:02,520
Speaker 4: would that being said with thirteen minutes and many of you,

922
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:05,279
Speaker 4: I would say, let's work to keep our questions as

923
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 4: concise as possible. Will work to keep our answers as

924
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:12,720
Speaker 4: concise as possible, so as many questions can be answered yes, yes,

925
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:16,840
Speaker 4: over here. That would be funny if on this panel

926
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:18,280
Speaker 4: we were all like this American life.

927
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:19,960
Speaker 2: That's it.

928
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:20,760
Speaker 15: Bye?

929
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 2: Have you guys serious? Oh my god?

930
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 3: Small podcasts.

931
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 4: I love Code Switch so much, and that is an

932
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:34,720
Speaker 4: example of a podcast by people of color about race,

933
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:39,759
Speaker 4: but it gets real into some hardcore nuance that is

934
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:43,319
Speaker 4: not afforded in other podcasts about race. I think the

935
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:45,719
Speaker 4: work they do is wonderful. It's also heavily edited, so

936
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:48,400
Speaker 4: you're getting like a ty thirty, you know, and you're like,

937
00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:50,200
Speaker 4: I know what I'm getting, So I love it.

938
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:53,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, I would say love and radio because it's always different.

939
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:56,279
Speaker 5: I don't it's unexpected, and I'm listening, I have to

940
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 5: listen to a perspective that I would not voluntarily listen to.

941
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:01,480
Speaker 5: There was this one on I'm like, you know, I'm

942
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 5: a high school teacher. I don't want to listen to

943
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:06,640
Speaker 5: a pedophiles perspective. But they did this one amazing episode

944
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:08,960
Speaker 5: of these people who are charged in a community and

945
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:10,360
Speaker 5: they had to rely on each other for strength, and

946
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:11,520
Speaker 5: I'm like, I don't want to listen to this, but

947
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:12,640
Speaker 5: I have to, and I was able to.

948
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:13,919
Speaker 9: It broke open my mind.

949
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:14,800
Speaker 5: So love and Radio.

950
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:17,799
Speaker 6: I've been listening to Death, Sex, and Money, which is

951
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:21,920
Speaker 6: not people of color podcast, but they it's a podcast

952
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:23,319
Speaker 6: where they have a lot of guests, and what I

953
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:25,560
Speaker 6: like about it is that they do have guests across

954
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 6: a wide variety of identities, and so every episode is

955
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:32,760
Speaker 6: about death, sex, and money. So sometimes it's personal stories

956
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 6: from the audience. Sometimes it's an interview with a celebrity.

957
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:39,880
Speaker 6: Gabrielle Union recently did an episode which was really good,

958
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:42,200
Speaker 6: and I like it because you get to hear from

959
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:46,359
Speaker 6: famous and non famous people talking about topics that are

960
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:49,080
Speaker 6: kind of taboo and we don't normally talk about. And

961
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:51,920
Speaker 6: I also listen to reply All a lot which again

962
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:53,920
Speaker 6: is not people of color, but they do have some

963
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 6: people of color as correspondence.

964
00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:58,439
Speaker 10: And it's also about the Internet, which I love.

965
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:03,280
Speaker 2: So yeah, I would say mass Sundry, which is a

966
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:07,960
Speaker 2: podcast by two women about well two comedians, Ray Sonny

967
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:12,400
Speaker 2: and Marsha Belski, and it's a very like pro black

968
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:17,520
Speaker 2: and pro woman podcast and very funny as well, obviously

969
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:19,879
Speaker 2: they're comedians. And then the other one I would throw

970
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:22,640
Speaker 2: in is What's the Tea? Which is and It's Tea,

971
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:26,080
Speaker 2: which is by two of our friends, uh Nicole and

972
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:31,200
Speaker 2: Reggie and hosted by people of color. One of them

973
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:34,480
Speaker 2: is a gay man, but it feels like listening to

974
00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:36,719
Speaker 2: two friends talk and you just like picked up the

975
00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:38,600
Speaker 2: phone by mistake and you just don't want to hang up,

976
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:42,040
Speaker 2: which is like my favorite kind of podcast to listen

977
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:44,000
Speaker 2: to where I'm just like I'm snooping, you know what

978
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:44,359
Speaker 2: I mean?

979
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:48,280
Speaker 3: I think for me. MTR Network.

980
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:52,600
Speaker 7: With MTR Network, they cover a lot of geek stuff

981
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:55,520
Speaker 7: because they're black geeks and you're not alone. And so

982
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:59,879
Speaker 7: with MTR Network, they cover like comic books, they cover

983
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:02,880
Speaker 7: comic book movies, they cover character They have a thing

984
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:05,640
Speaker 7: called Character Corner where they will actually go back through

985
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:07,799
Speaker 7: the history. They did a history of Wonder Woman, they

986
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:10,160
Speaker 7: do history of thor Like anytime a major movie is

987
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:13,120
Speaker 7: coming up, be it Superman, Batman, They'll give you the

988
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:15,320
Speaker 7: background because I'm not gonna read all those comics, so

989
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:17,759
Speaker 7: I listen to them to give me my background story.

990
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:20,560
Speaker 2: And so Super Tuesdays, yeah, and.

991
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:23,560
Speaker 7: Super Tuesdays where they cover like all the superhero shows.

992
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:25,440
Speaker 7: Now I think that about seven days a week. They

993
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:28,480
Speaker 7: keep adding shows and so like that. That's the at

994
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:32,160
Speaker 7: the Flash Arrow, Legends of Tomorrow, all those type.

995
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:34,040
Speaker 2: Of shows, and you get stuff that you would only

996
00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:36,760
Speaker 2: get from like a black perspective, Like how is Felicity

997
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:40,080
Speaker 2: gonna do that? At oris is wedding out? She was

998
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:42,160
Speaker 2: out of pocket. I've seen the Best Man wedding. I

999
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:42,840
Speaker 2: know what's wrong.

1000
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:46,040
Speaker 3: She ain't had no business doing that m m the

1001
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:46,640
Speaker 3: wrong time.

1002
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:51,359
Speaker 7: See you made me lost my top that and all

1003
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:54,160
Speaker 7: your goods with you? And where's my forty acres? Because

1004
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:57,319
Speaker 7: with Where's my forty acres? They cover music more of

1005
00:48:57,400 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 7: hip hop music from a black perspective, And so those

1006
00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:03,400
Speaker 7: two are the two. And I listen to hundreds of podcasts,

1007
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:05,120
Speaker 7: but those are the two. Dump suggest right now, we said,

1008
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:06,480
Speaker 7: I said, oh I got the narrow It Dawn a

1009
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:06,839
Speaker 7: little bit.

1010
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:11,239
Speaker 8: Yeah, oh yeah. I haven't listened to it in a while,

1011
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:14,360
Speaker 8: but I really love Another Round with Tracy Quayton and

1012
00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:18,719
Speaker 8: heaven got to their amazing and you should definitely do

1013
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:23,239
Speaker 8: follow everything they do. And then I also really like

1014
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:26,920
Speaker 8: this interview podcast called on Being with Christa Tippett. She

1015
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:30,000
Speaker 8: does like just in depth interviews with all kinds of people,

1016
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:33,080
Speaker 8: and I just feel like they're all fascinating and really good.

1017
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:36,040
Speaker 6: Oh one more that I want to, uh, never before

1018
00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:36,799
Speaker 6: with Janet Mock.

1019
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:38,799
Speaker 10: Yeah.

1020
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:42,600
Speaker 6: So she's such a great interviewer. She has a really

1021
00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:45,440
Speaker 6: great I think it was the second episode where she

1022
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:51,880
Speaker 6: talks to Tina Knowles, Bounce I and Solana's mom and

1023
00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:55,320
Speaker 6: it's so great, like it is, oh my god, and

1024
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:58,919
Speaker 6: I'm thinking one more. But she just had so much

1025
00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:02,279
Speaker 6: life advice and it's like if she raised Beyonce and

1026
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:04,680
Speaker 6: so long she has to know what she's talking about.

1027
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:08,439
Speaker 6: And then I have recommended this podcast so many times.

1028
00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:11,759
Speaker 6: I know you're gonna know this one making Oprah. It

1029
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:16,200
Speaker 6: is only six episodes. I have someone tell that they

1030
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:17,600
Speaker 6: might be working on another.

1031
00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:20,760
Speaker 10: Project, but it is like a game changer.

1032
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:24,160
Speaker 6: It's all about how Oprah got started before she became

1033
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:26,360
Speaker 6: the Oprah that we know now, and it's interviews with

1034
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:30,360
Speaker 6: people that she hired, people that hired her, people she's fired,

1035
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:33,640
Speaker 6: and it's just really great because it really is about

1036
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:36,919
Speaker 6: forging your own path and what made her so successful

1037
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:39,200
Speaker 6: and how she related to her audience. And I feel

1038
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:41,480
Speaker 6: like no matter who you are or what field you're in,

1039
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:43,920
Speaker 6: you can get some sort of inspiration of that series.

1040
00:50:44,080 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 4: Right next question, Yes, right here, Yeah, we love it.

1041
00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:51,120
Speaker 2: So how do we take care of ourselves?

1042
00:50:51,239 --> 00:50:51,719
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1043
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:53,840
Speaker 2: Oh, I know for our show, we have like a

1044
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:57,920
Speaker 2: community of just badass black podcasts that are surrounding us.

1045
00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:01,280
Speaker 2: Like that's probably the one thing that we did different

1046
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:03,480
Speaker 2: than most podcasts, and we were able to do it

1047
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:06,960
Speaker 2: because we started so early. But when we like somebody,

1048
00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:09,160
Speaker 2: when we listen to somebody and we're like, oh my god,

1049
00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:11,440
Speaker 2: we'll just like have them on or we'll go on

1050
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:13,800
Speaker 2: their show. And now with's skyping all this technology, you

1051
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:16,560
Speaker 2: can kind of insulate yourself and the same way a

1052
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:19,920
Speaker 2: black student union works at a school, there's just a

1053
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:21,839
Speaker 2: place where you can kind of like, you know, take

1054
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:23,680
Speaker 2: off your bra and just sit on there, like I'm

1055
00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:26,800
Speaker 2: comfortable right here. You know, I don't have to worry

1056
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:29,799
Speaker 2: so much about the feelings of not that there's not

1057
00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:33,920
Speaker 2: different layers to just blackness and all this other stuff.

1058
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:36,399
Speaker 2: But when you're kind of in a marginalized community, there's

1059
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:39,080
Speaker 2: a little bit more understanding. Like it's easier to understand.

1060
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:41,640
Speaker 2: It's easier for you to explain to me what it's

1061
00:51:41,719 --> 00:51:45,600
Speaker 2: like being gay and dealing with oppression. Then maybe if

1062
00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:47,600
Speaker 2: I had never experienced it, so maybe you can make

1063
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:49,560
Speaker 2: a parallel, like, well, you know when all those you feel,

1064
00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:51,200
Speaker 2: when those cops come up to you, I'm like, oh yeah,

1065
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:53,920
Speaker 2: oh yes, okay, I get it. So we kind of

1066
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:55,800
Speaker 2: just insulate ourselves in blackness.

1067
00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:59,239
Speaker 7: And I know, for me, I believe in time out.

1068
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:01,960
Speaker 7: I believe in and hey, I've had enough of this.

1069
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:04,960
Speaker 7: I'm out, like and that's something that black people have

1070
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:05,880
Speaker 7: a tendency not to do.

1071
00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:08,760
Speaker 3: It's okay to separate yourself. It's okay to leave social media,

1072
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:11,120
Speaker 3: it's okay to take these breaks. You don't have to

1073
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:11,760
Speaker 3: know everything.

1074
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:13,720
Speaker 7: You don't got to be all in black Twitter's business.

1075
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:18,160
Speaker 7: It's okay to be like I am out because you're human,

1076
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:20,239
Speaker 7: so your mind has got to take a break. Your

1077
00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:22,160
Speaker 7: heart has got to take a break, because it's so

1078
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:25,520
Speaker 7: much bombarding you all the time, and you constantly are

1079
00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:28,360
Speaker 7: taking things in that you have got to get yourself

1080
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:31,120
Speaker 7: to a point because the thing is, if you're not healthy,

1081
00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:33,279
Speaker 7: you cannot do the things that you need to do

1082
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:35,719
Speaker 7: for people around you, in your real life and for

1083
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:38,320
Speaker 7: your podcast. If you're drained, your audience will hear it.

1084
00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:40,960
Speaker 7: If you're tired, your audience will hear that too. And

1085
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:43,680
Speaker 7: so for me, I'm very quick to be like I'm out,

1086
00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:46,200
Speaker 7: and sometimes I don't respond. Sometimes I'm like, you know what,

1087
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:48,480
Speaker 7: you're talking foolising today, I ain't got time for this.

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Speaker 7: And I think that people think that's being crude or

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Speaker 7: mean no, no, no, It's a self protection mechanism that

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Speaker 7: you must have in order to continue on and for

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00:52:57,200 --> 00:52:59,440
Speaker 7: that self protection, in my opinion, I know that works

1092
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:01,400
Speaker 7: for me, work for everybody else, but that works to me.

1093
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:02,719
Speaker 7: Sometimes you have to cut yourself off.

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Speaker 2: No you selfish?

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Speaker 3: What girl?

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Speaker 16: Yeah?

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Speaker 6: I agree with that too, and I think to piggyback

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00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:12,040
Speaker 6: on that in terms of you know, saying no and

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00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:15,680
Speaker 6: removing yourself from certain situations. I understand the fear of

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Speaker 6: if you don't say something, you feel like somehow you're

1101
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:20,400
Speaker 6: inherently co signing it, And I feel like what you

1102
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:22,480
Speaker 6: have to do is you have to you set limits

1103
00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:24,680
Speaker 6: for yourself and set standard for yourself, but you also

1104
00:53:24,680 --> 00:53:26,360
Speaker 6: have to figure out what works best for you. And

1105
00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:28,799
Speaker 6: so sometimes it might be as simple as I'm really

1106
00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:30,880
Speaker 6: not okay with what you said, but it's really not

1107
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:32,840
Speaker 6: my job to educate you on it, so I'm going

1108
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:34,640
Speaker 6: to peace out, So I'm letting you know, to do

1109
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:37,400
Speaker 6: your homework and like see you want to see you, so,

1110
00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:40,719
Speaker 6: like you know, maybe there's a shorter, condensed version of that,

1111
00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:43,719
Speaker 6: but it's like one thing that I picked up from

1112
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Speaker 6: someone else that I've started saying that I really like

1113
00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:48,680
Speaker 6: is I'm sorry that you feel comfortable saying that's sort

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00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:50,399
Speaker 6: of the type of thing around me because I don't

1115
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:52,960
Speaker 6: agree with that, Or are you saying that because you

1116
00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:55,800
Speaker 6: think I'm okay with that kind of language. It's really

1117
00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:58,560
Speaker 6: not like you explaining to them why what they said

1118
00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:01,040
Speaker 6: was really hurtful or problematic. You're just like letting them

1119
00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:03,360
Speaker 6: know that it's not something that you're comfortable with, and

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00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:05,719
Speaker 6: you don't have to go any further than that. And

1121
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:08,400
Speaker 6: whatever that might be for you is going to be different.

1122
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:11,839
Speaker 6: But it's something that my suggestion to people always is

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Speaker 6: to think about that outside of those environments, so when

1124
00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:17,520
Speaker 6: it happens, you're ready. So you have it like in

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00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:19,600
Speaker 6: your back pocket, and you can think on the times

1126
00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:22,000
Speaker 6: that people have said things that made you uncomfortable, and

1127
00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:24,800
Speaker 6: you know, you start noticing trends that people say certain

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00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:26,360
Speaker 6: types of things, so you can come up with like

1129
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:28,799
Speaker 6: a great, little witty one liner but lets them know

1130
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:31,359
Speaker 6: that you're not comfortable with it. But you're also like

1131
00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:33,719
Speaker 6: not there to do the emotional labor for them, to

1132
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Speaker 6: walk them through why you're not okay with it. And

1133
00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:38,799
Speaker 6: that's something that you kind of just get better with

1134
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:41,839
Speaker 6: you as you have more practice and with age. It's

1135
00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:43,440
Speaker 6: not something that you're going to be great with the

1136
00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:44,560
Speaker 6: very first time around.

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Speaker 5: I adopted three dogs. There's nothing more humbling than picking

1138
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Speaker 5: up the faces of three different beings in your life.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I think especially if you're you know, if you're

1140
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:02,000
Speaker 8: like a represent for someone of like themselves in a

1141
00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:04,600
Speaker 8: space where there aren't a lot of people like you,

1142
00:55:04,600 --> 00:55:07,120
Speaker 8: you want to sort of be there for them, but

1143
00:55:07,160 --> 00:55:10,520
Speaker 8: you don't owe anything to anyone outside of yourself, and

1144
00:55:10,560 --> 00:55:12,959
Speaker 8: that is a hard line stance, but I think it's

1145
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:16,239
Speaker 8: just important to set those boundaries before you kind of

1146
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:18,160
Speaker 8: enter a medium where I think a lot of people

1147
00:55:18,239 --> 00:55:20,520
Speaker 8: are like maybe going to relate to you or like

1148
00:55:20,560 --> 00:55:22,279
Speaker 8: feel very close to you in a way that they

1149
00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:25,359
Speaker 8: might not actually be that part of your life in

1150
00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:27,640
Speaker 8: the same way that you are in theres So I

1151
00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:28,720
Speaker 8: think it's important to set.

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Speaker 2: Those You can always sell out too, which is another

1153
00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:34,080
Speaker 2: true it's out there amazing.

1154
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Speaker 4: Well, thank you all so much for being here. Please

1155
00:55:37,120 --> 00:55:42,720
Speaker 4: give a run of applause for our amazing panelists. Please

1156
00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:47,680
Speaker 4: give a round of applause for yourselves. We are rare unicorns.

1157
00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:52,000
Speaker 4: I'm proud of us all for existing. Thank you so

1158
00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:55,839
Speaker 4: much for coming. And if you're cooking up a podcast.

1159
00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:56,920
Speaker 10: We wish you the best of luck with it.

1160
00:55:56,960 --> 00:56:04,520
Speaker 17: So yeah, thanks, that's just one too, all right.

1161
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Speaker 15: Who's are you guys? Having a good conference so far?

1162
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:10,920
Speaker 16: Yeah, it seems like an awesome crowd out there.

1163
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:12,839
Speaker 15: I'm loving the costumes out in the lobby just now

1164
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:16,000
Speaker 15: that we walk through. That's super cool. My name's Ashley Ahearn.

1165
00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:19,560
Speaker 16: I host a podcast called Terrestrial, exploring the choices we

1166
00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:21,799
Speaker 16: make in a world we've changed, or as I like

1167
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:23,960
Speaker 16: to call it, it's the worst fucked now what climate

1168
00:56:24,040 --> 00:56:28,440
Speaker 16: change podcast? And so we're talking about tough topics all

1169
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:30,359
Speaker 16: the time. So when the podcon folks got in touch

1170
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Speaker 16: with me and asked me to moderate this panel, I

1171
00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:34,360
Speaker 16: knew this was the kind of conversation I wanted to

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Speaker 16: be having, because it's the conversation I'm trying to.

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Speaker 18: Have with my listeners a lot.

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Speaker 15: And we have a great panel today.

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Speaker 16: I'm going to let them introduce their shows and the

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Speaker 16: kinds of tough topics they get into. But I wanted

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Speaker 16: to start off by just saying that I think that

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Speaker 16: podcasting is the one of the best places that we

1179
00:56:53,480 --> 00:56:55,440
Speaker 16: as a society can be addressing.

1180
00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:57,399
Speaker 15: Tough topics today, because God knows there are.

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Speaker 16: Enough of them out there for us to be getting into, right.

1182
00:57:01,120 --> 00:57:04,960
Speaker 16: I think that I think this because we are conveners

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00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:08,480
Speaker 16: of community. We're bringing together listeners who have chosen to

1184
00:57:08,520 --> 00:57:11,160
Speaker 16: come to listen to the topics that we're going to address,

1185
00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:13,440
Speaker 16: and we as host, at least I can speak for myself,

1186
00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:16,560
Speaker 16: and I think the folks up here we value your

1187
00:57:16,600 --> 00:57:19,240
Speaker 16: trust and we value your time that you're giving to us.

1188
00:57:19,240 --> 00:57:21,240
Speaker 16: When you choose to listen to our shows, and so

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Speaker 16: I don't take that lightly. And when we take on

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Speaker 16: these tough topics, I trust that you're joining me and

1191
00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:28,400
Speaker 16: you're putting your trust in me to explore them. So

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Speaker 16: I'm really excited about the panel today and I want

1193
00:57:31,640 --> 00:57:34,760
Speaker 16: to go down the row here and ask each of

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Speaker 16: our panels to start off, tell us the name of

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Speaker 16: your show, the one line about it, and just like

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Speaker 16: a couple of the tough topics you've chosen to take on.

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Speaker 19: Hi, everybody, my name is Vanessa Zultan and I'm one

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Speaker 19: of the hosts of Harry Potter and the Sacred Text,

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Speaker 19: in which we treat Harry Potter as if it was

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Speaker 19: a sacred text, we really aptly named it. And so

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00:57:56,840 --> 00:58:00,160
Speaker 19: we are going through chapter by chapter and analyzing Harry

1202
00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:03,640
Speaker 19: Potter as you would the Bible, the Koran, the Torah,

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Speaker 19: and using traditional sacred.

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Speaker 10: Practices in order to clean meeting from the text.

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Speaker 19: And so we I would say, tough topics for us

1206
00:58:11,440 --> 00:58:14,080
Speaker 19: come up in two different ways. We read each chapter

1207
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Speaker 19: through a theme, and so we often will choose tough topics, tough,

1208
00:58:19,400 --> 00:58:21,480
Speaker 19: you know, sort of meaty themes to analyze. So we

1209
00:58:21,520 --> 00:58:24,320
Speaker 19: just did something on grief. Very early on, we did

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Speaker 19: white Privilege, which I think we're gonna have to redo

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Speaker 19: now that hopefully we're.

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Speaker 10: Better at our jobs.

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Speaker 19: And then the other thing is that because we're reading

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00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:35,160
Speaker 19: Harry Potter, tough topics come up in the text. So

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Speaker 19: I think, surprisingly early something we didn't realize we had

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00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:42,480
Speaker 19: to talk about child abuse, you know, in episode two.

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Speaker 10: So yeah, so.

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Speaker 19: They come at us, and then they also come at

1219
00:58:47,040 --> 00:58:47,720
Speaker 19: us in terms of.

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Speaker 10: Things happening in the world. So yeah, I think that

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Speaker 10: that's it.

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Speaker 16: Good.

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Speaker 3: Hi.

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Speaker 8: I'm a partner n and Cheryloa. I'm a primarily a comedian.

1225
00:58:56,880 --> 00:58:59,920
Speaker 8: I had or have a podcast called Blue Woman Grew

1226
00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:04,880
Speaker 8: with another comedian and my co host, Jacquelyn Novak, who

1227
00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:08,520
Speaker 8: is not here. But it's primarily about mental health and depression,

1228
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Speaker 8: which is also topics that I address in my comedy.

1229
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Speaker 8: And yeah, it definitely for us comes from a more

1230
00:59:15,120 --> 00:59:17,560
Speaker 8: personal place, like our podcast is just the two of

1231
00:59:17,640 --> 00:59:20,360
Speaker 8: us talking to each other. So I think it is

1232
00:59:20,520 --> 00:59:26,640
Speaker 8: mainly like mental health from the you know, ground zero

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00:59:26,760 --> 00:59:33,080
Speaker 8: of it. Oh yeah, Hi, I'm Phoebe Judge.

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Speaker 11: I have a podcast called Criminal, and we say that

1235
00:59:37,880 --> 00:59:41,320
Speaker 11: a Criminal is a show about people who've done wrong,

1236
00:59:41,480 --> 00:59:45,600
Speaker 11: been wronged, or gotten caught somewhere in between. We talked

1237
00:59:45,640 --> 00:59:49,000
Speaker 11: to everyone. It's the broadest sense of the word crime.

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Speaker 11: Most of our topics are tough. There are some funny episodes,

1239
00:59:54,360 --> 00:59:59,360
Speaker 11: but are We have a weekly challenge at how to

1240
00:59:59,520 --> 01:00:02,000
Speaker 11: take on tough topic just because it's the nature of

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Speaker 11: the show, which is crime.

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Speaker 18: My name is Karen.

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01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:11,640
Speaker 7: I'm one half of the black Auto Tips podcast.

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01:00:12,280 --> 01:00:14,920
Speaker 3: We cover topics about race, l.

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Speaker 7: G B, t Q, and Trump because he's he's a

1246
01:00:20,120 --> 01:00:22,240
Speaker 7: He's a tragic topic all in itself.

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Speaker 3: So we cover very.

1248
01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:29,240
Speaker 7: Difficult topics and we try as.

1249
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Speaker 3: Much as we can to put humor to it.

1250
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Speaker 7: Sometimes you've got to cry your way through it, but

1251
01:00:33,560 --> 01:00:35,760
Speaker 7: we will every now and then find a way to

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Speaker 7: make it funny.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm ride half of the black Out Tests podcast,

1254
01:00:40,920 --> 01:00:44,960
Speaker 2: and yeah, we cover, as she said, very tough topics,

1255
01:00:44,960 --> 01:00:49,320
Speaker 2: but mostly through the lens of like humor, even if

1256
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Speaker 2: it's almost like gallows humor, because you know, being black

1257
01:00:52,120 --> 01:00:54,520
Speaker 2: in America is hard. I don't know if you have

1258
01:00:54,560 --> 01:00:58,640
Speaker 2: seen the news. It's out there, but it's also just

1259
01:00:58,720 --> 01:01:01,320
Speaker 2: that this this our existence, and we can't let you,

1260
01:01:01,320 --> 01:01:02,960
Speaker 2: don't let it break you, you know, So there's things

1261
01:01:03,000 --> 01:01:05,280
Speaker 2: that we find funny, there's things that we laugh at,

1262
01:01:05,280 --> 01:01:07,800
Speaker 2: and we try to bring it to everything. So we

1263
01:01:07,840 --> 01:01:10,280
Speaker 2: cover a lot of stuff, you know. And the other

1264
01:01:10,320 --> 01:01:12,400
Speaker 2: thing is, since it's a conversation between you know, me

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Speaker 2: and my wife, it's intimate, so it is kind of

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Speaker 2: like what we would talk about, you know. If if

1267
01:01:19,400 --> 01:01:21,520
Speaker 2: me too is a thing that is being talked about

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Speaker 2: throughout social media, I bet a lot of people are

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Speaker 2: talking about in their private lives at home too. We're

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Speaker 2: just happen to do it on a mic that can

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Speaker 2: go out to the universe.

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Speaker 16: So I want to hear more about how you research

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01:01:35,840 --> 01:01:38,200
Speaker 16: and prepare for the tough topics. You know, you're going

1274
01:01:38,280 --> 01:01:40,640
Speaker 16: to dive into the keep We're saying white privilege or

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01:01:40,760 --> 01:01:43,200
Speaker 16: holding grudges is the episode I listened to most recently.

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Speaker 10: How how did you?

1277
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Speaker 16: A little bit from each of you about how you

1278
01:01:46,720 --> 01:01:49,200
Speaker 16: approach the prep work to make an episode.

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Speaker 15: Start with me, Oh, let's jump around. Why don't you

1280
01:01:51,840 --> 01:01:52,720
Speaker 15: guys start jumping out?

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Speaker 9: Yeah?

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01:01:53,240 --> 01:01:55,040
Speaker 10: Did you see that? Was like puppy dog dance.

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Speaker 15: We'll give it us a freak.

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Speaker 2: A lot of the well of our show. I'm the

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Speaker 2: research wain right, Karen's of talent. She just comes in

1286
01:02:05,360 --> 01:02:07,880
Speaker 2: it just like does her thing, and I just kind

1287
01:02:07,880 --> 01:02:09,840
Speaker 2: of like try to set it up right. So I

1288
01:02:09,920 --> 01:02:12,360
Speaker 2: do a lot of reading. I consume so much news

1289
01:02:12,520 --> 01:02:17,120
Speaker 2: is probably not healthy. And then through social media as well,

1290
01:02:17,480 --> 01:02:20,960
Speaker 2: because social media is basically news now you find I

1291
01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:24,400
Speaker 2: find out about stuff before it's on TV all the time, right,

1292
01:02:25,760 --> 01:02:28,800
Speaker 2: And then as far as research, also getting people's opinions,

1293
01:02:28,840 --> 01:02:30,919
Speaker 2: like people who are affected by a thing. I don't

1294
01:02:30,920 --> 01:02:33,400
Speaker 2: know what it's like to be trans so I would

1295
01:02:33,440 --> 01:02:36,280
Speaker 2: feel wrong to be like, no, it's my opinion, clearly,

1296
01:02:36,360 --> 01:02:38,600
Speaker 2: I don't need to look at this shit, So I'll

1297
01:02:38,600 --> 01:02:40,960
Speaker 2: look at people who maybe they've written an article about it,

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01:02:41,080 --> 01:02:44,360
Speaker 2: maybe they're they have a Twitter thread about it or

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Speaker 2: something like that. So a lot of research, it's kind

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Speaker 2: of nebolous term, but a lot of it's not just

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Speaker 2: like Google or wiki or really you know, it's a

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Speaker 2: lot of it's consuming like people's lived experiences as well.

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Speaker 7: And I know for me, he jokes about me being

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Speaker 7: the talent, but I think for me, I love this man,

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Speaker 7: but I'm the audience. So a lot of times when

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Speaker 7: he's telling me stuff, I'm actually hearing it for the

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Speaker 7: first time a lot of times with the audience, So

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Speaker 7: a lot of times his response is more calm, cool.

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Speaker 3: And collect because he's went through the thought process.

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Speaker 7: Of and you know, he's went through the emotional roller coaster.

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Speaker 7: But I'm going live on the air, so me and

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Speaker 7: the audience are both going through this emotional roller coaster

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Speaker 7: together until we get to the endway kind of smooths out.

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Speaker 11: We have this a lot of problems with this. We

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Speaker 11: we have to find that we have to We don't

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Speaker 11: put it in the episode unless we can find the

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Speaker 11: actual documents. So if we can, if it's hearsay, we

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Speaker 11: say he says that he went to But as much

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Speaker 11: as possible we find we go straight to the courts,

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Speaker 11: we go to interviews that they've done.

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Speaker 18: I mean, we go to the courts a lot.

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Speaker 11: So we're using legal rulings, we're using police reports, first

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Speaker 11: hand accounts, and if we can't find it, a lot

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Speaker 11: of times we won't put it in. We'll do a

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Speaker 11: draft of a script and Lauren will say to me, well,

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Speaker 11: where did you get that, And I'll say, well, I

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Speaker 11: read it, and she said that's not good enough. You know,

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Speaker 11: you can't just read it, you have to know, and

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Speaker 11: if we can't find something to back it up, then

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Speaker 11: we just take it out. It's I think it's safer

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Speaker 11: that way for us. I mean, it's that or you know,

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Speaker 11: a lawsuit. You know, we'd rather just lose that line.

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Speaker 8: I think my podcast is the least research specific in

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Speaker 8: that it's just straight from the horse's mouth. Jacqueline and

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Speaker 8: I both deal with depression anxiety, so we sort of

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Speaker 8: start from our own experiences and then sort of try

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Speaker 8: to you know, posit strategies for people who might also

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Speaker 8: have similar mindsets or or have sort of an ongoing

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Speaker 8: relationship with depression anxiety. I think when we had the

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Speaker 8: idea to make the podcast, it was sort of about

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Speaker 8: people who have, you know, mental health issues that are

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Speaker 8: ongoing and they're functional in their lives, but for the

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Speaker 8: most part, it's a part of your brain that's not

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Speaker 8: going to just cure itself or go away anytime soon,

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Speaker 8: so sort of coping strategies to live in the world

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Speaker 8: with that kind of brain. So, for example, I think

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Speaker 8: one of our episodes is about social media specifically and

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Speaker 8: sort of navigating the world of social media when you

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Speaker 8: sort of have an automatic direct dial to like shame,

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Speaker 8: spraling and stuff, and how we get ourselves out of

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Speaker 8: those holes and hopefully ways that other people might be

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Speaker 8: able to relate to.

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Speaker 10: This is great. I'm learning so much. Thank you.

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Speaker 19: So we so, my co host, our producer, and I

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01:05:54,360 --> 01:05:58,000
Speaker 19: we all attended or are attending Divinity school, so we

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Speaker 19: don't do so much subject recent search.

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Speaker 10: What we are trying to do is.

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Speaker 19: Live process with our listeners what does it mean to

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Speaker 19: hold a grudge? And so we start with a personal

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Speaker 19: story from our lives, and then we bring questions about

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Speaker 19: what a grudge or whatever it is.

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Speaker 10: Love, loss, revenge.

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Speaker 19: We bring that to the text and put the text

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Speaker 19: in conversation with it. And so for us, we're I

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Speaker 19: think what we're trying to do is model that none

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Speaker 19: of us know the answers to these things, but that

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Speaker 19: through rigorous conversation we can figure these things out together.

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Speaker 10: The rigor to it is that we.

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Speaker 19: Always are asking ourselves who is the most vulnerable.

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Speaker 10: Person in this conversation.

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Speaker 19: So when we're talking about child abuse and we're talking

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Speaker 19: about has anybody in this room ever read Harry Potter? Okay,

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01:06:54,200 --> 01:06:56,320
Speaker 19: a few people have, so I can use examples. So

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Speaker 19: we try to think of our podcasts as an act

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Speaker 19: of radical empathy. We're trying to ask people, if you

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Speaker 19: can empathize with Raco Malfoy, maybe you can empathize with

1377
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Speaker 19: your annoying neighbor, and so.

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Speaker 10: Very like Out the Gate, we.

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Speaker 19: Were trying to empathize with Petunia Dursley, who is a

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Speaker 19: child abuser, and we lost track of who the vulnerable

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Speaker 19: person or who the vulnerable people are in that conversation,

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Speaker 19: and we messed that up very early. We were not

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Speaker 19: thinking about victims of child abuse. We were thinking of

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Speaker 19: trying to learn how to empathize, and that was a

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Speaker 19: huge mistake early on. And so the research is in, Okay,

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Speaker 19: we're talking about grudges, and so we're going to tell

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Speaker 19: stories about bullies in our lives. Are bullies vulnerable people

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Speaker 19: who we want to be holding in this space or

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Speaker 19: are we comfortable saying yep, you're not.

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Speaker 10: Like You're not the person we're worried about in this conversation.

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Speaker 10: We're worried about the bullied or right.

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Speaker 19: And as people who think of themselves as chaplains. Who

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Speaker 19: what is the space we were trying to hold? Who

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Speaker 19: is welcome into that space? Who are we trying to

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Speaker 19: take care of, and who are we sort of okay

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Speaker 19: with leaving or not feeling particularly taken care of, because

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Speaker 19: they are the person of power in that space. So

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Speaker 19: I would say it's more process oriented than like, you know,

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Speaker 19: reading a book on.

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Speaker 10: The theology of grudges. I will say that the big research.

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Speaker 19: That we do is call friends who are better at

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Speaker 19: their jobs than us. So we did a chapter on

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Speaker 19: mercy and I called my friend Matt, and I was.

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Speaker 10: Like, what's mercy. I'm Jewish, we don't have that. We

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01:08:27,240 --> 01:08:31,599
Speaker 10: have a vengeful God. And so he just.

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Speaker 19: Like talked to me on the phone about mercy for

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Speaker 19: an hour and then at the end of the episode

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Speaker 19: we thank him and that's all he gets.

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Speaker 10: That's not true.

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Speaker 19: He I just gave his children free beanies, So.

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Speaker 10: That's a steal thing.

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Speaker 16: I did an episode in our first season about the

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Speaker 16: decision to have children or not against the backdrop of

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Speaker 16: climate change and what scientists are telling us the world

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01:08:53,280 --> 01:08:55,240
Speaker 16: is going to be like in the coming decades, and

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Speaker 16: it's a it's a very personal decision, and we in

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Speaker 16: the episode say, I say very clearly at the beginning

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Speaker 16: and the end is not we're not judging anybody for

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Speaker 16: any of your decisions either way. But I would talk

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Speaker 16: a little bit about how I prepared to address this

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Speaker 16: very tough topic, because it did. We got a lot

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Speaker 16: of blowback for doing that episode, and one of the

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Speaker 16: I interviewed young couples across the spectrum who are having kids,

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Speaker 16: who are not having kids and why, And I one

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Speaker 16: way that I prepared for that was I went into

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Speaker 16: I interviewed a young Catholic couple in Colorado and very outdoorsy,

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Speaker 16: get climate change, aware of kind of where things are headed,

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Speaker 16: and are also deeply Catholic and are going to have

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Speaker 16: as many children as God gives them.

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Speaker 15: Was how they talked about it.

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Speaker 16: And so I sat down and just thought for a

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Speaker 16: long time before I went into that interview. Just like

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Speaker 16: we scripted out the questions, we workshop the questions. So

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Speaker 16: for anybody out here who's thinking about addressing a tough topic,

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Speaker 16: I think preparation on the front end can look very

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Speaker 16: simple and concrete. It's a Google doc that maybe you're

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Speaker 16: sharing with someone that has kind of here's the narrative

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Speaker 16: arc I want to talk about in this conversation. Here

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Speaker 16: are the potential hot spots with this person that I'm

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Speaker 16: going to be interacting with. And so I knew that

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Speaker 16: I was going to reveal to this young Catholic man

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Speaker 16: that I had an IUD put in like within two

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Speaker 16: weeks of doing this interview, and I went into that

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Speaker 16: knowing that I was going to spring that on him

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Speaker 16: right and in the course of the conversation, and it yielded.

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Speaker 16: It was a really tough kind of personal reveal that

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Speaker 16: yielded an interesting comment from him, which was, I'm so

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Speaker 16: sorry you had to put a piece of metal where

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Speaker 16: no one should ever put a piece of metal. But

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Speaker 16: I'm so glad that I had the conversation right and

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Speaker 16: that I had the like that I took a little

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Speaker 16: bit of time beforehand to be just premeditated about how

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Speaker 16: I introduced that difficult conversation and elicited that response from him.

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Speaker 15: So that would be my take.

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Speaker 16: On sort of when we get into these tough topics,

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Speaker 16: how do we broach them? And part of it is

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Speaker 16: through careful preparation and really thinking about how is the

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Speaker 16: person that I'm talking to going to receive this information

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Speaker 16: with the understanding that you can back away, like if

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Speaker 16: you have that question that can be a throwaway question

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Speaker 16: if you're feeling in the interview this is not going

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Speaker 16: to go well if I bring this up.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, can I just.

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Speaker 15: Say yeah, jump on?

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01:10:54,360 --> 01:10:56,920
Speaker 19: Because so much of what we do is processing in

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Speaker 19: the studio together.

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Speaker 10: The other way we prepare to talk.

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Speaker 19: About tough topics is by having a ruthless editor. So

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Speaker 19: if we end up saying something, she's staring right at

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Speaker 19: me right now, probably wishing she could live edit me

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Speaker 19: right now.

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Speaker 10: So part of that can be done in post production if.

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Speaker 19: You're not even if you are a podcast that records

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Speaker 19: almost minute to minute for what you air, if you're

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Speaker 19: not doing live streaming, which I know that some of

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Speaker 19: our panels do and that it would be terrifying to me.

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Speaker 19: I like, my hat's off to you. So much of

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Speaker 19: that if you say something and artfully like podcasting is

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Speaker 19: wonderful because you get to just take it back.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 16: Yeah, I want to talk a little bit more about

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01:11:41,720 --> 01:11:44,240
Speaker 16: times where it's backfired, Times where you've maybe you knew

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Speaker 16: you were walking into a tough topic and it didn't

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Speaker 16: go the way you planned, or you got a lot

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Speaker 16: of maybe hate mail or feedback from your listeners.

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Speaker 15: So do you want to start with this stuff?

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Speaker 16: Sure?

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Speaker 19: So, first of all, I want to say that we

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Speaker 19: are talking about Harry Potter and religion. We really like

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Speaker 19: shored up our resources for just hate mail, and it

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Speaker 19: like never really came. We get it, we get hate mail,

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Speaker 19: but like the percentage of angry mail that we've gotten

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Speaker 19: has been so little overall that it's really been overwhelming

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Speaker 19: in terms of how lovely everybody has been, but the things.

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Speaker 19: So we made a decision early on when we started

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Speaker 19: the podcast. We started it in May of twenty sixteen,

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Speaker 19: and we did not intend.

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Speaker 10: To be a political podcast at all.

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Speaker 19: And then something happened in November of twenty sixteen, and we,

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Speaker 19: for very personal reasons for all of us, we're like, well,

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Speaker 19: I want to be on the right side of history,

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Speaker 19: and I don't want it to be unclear where I

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Speaker 19: stand on things. And so we explicitly we made the

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Speaker 19: choice that we would start saying Trump's name, that we

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Speaker 19: would start talking about we want to be evergreen content

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Speaker 19: for a lot of reasons, some of them financial, but

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Speaker 19: that we will take on current events in specific ways

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Speaker 19: do calls to action that twenty years from now, when

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Speaker 19: we look back in our careers, we don't want people

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Speaker 19: to wonder where.

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Speaker 10: We stood on things. And we have our iTunes reviews

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Speaker 10: you can go and see.

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Speaker 19: I really liked the show until they started getting political.

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Speaker 19: We lost some listeners there. But I think the hard

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Speaker 19: one for us is right. I think it was the

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01:13:19,680 --> 01:13:21,400
Speaker 19: day after the election that we were in the studio,

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01:13:22,280 --> 01:13:28,800
Speaker 19: and I'm right, we were so disoriented and we made the

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01:13:28,800 --> 01:13:31,360
Speaker 19: decision then in there that we have to take on

1519
01:13:31,560 --> 01:13:35,640
Speaker 19: politics straight straight away, and so we released like a

1520
01:13:35,800 --> 01:13:41,160
Speaker 19: two minute episode, a post election note, and I do

1521
01:13:41,280 --> 01:13:44,040
Speaker 19: think it was our best thinking at the time. We

1522
01:13:44,520 --> 01:13:46,639
Speaker 19: spent a lot of time thinking about what we wanted

1523
01:13:46,680 --> 01:13:50,479
Speaker 19: to say, and in that moment, what we wanted to

1524
01:13:50,479 --> 01:13:52,640
Speaker 19: say is like, clearly a lot of the country is

1525
01:13:52,640 --> 01:13:55,120
Speaker 19: in pain and voted from a place of pain, and

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01:13:55,200 --> 01:13:58,320
Speaker 19: so we have to listen to that pain. And that

1527
01:13:58,520 --> 01:14:01,800
Speaker 19: is what our post election note says. And now I

1528
01:14:01,880 --> 01:14:04,240
Speaker 19: go back and listen to it, and it makes me sick,

1529
01:14:04,360 --> 01:14:06,240
Speaker 19: right I one of you like, Nope, we should have

1530
01:14:06,240 --> 01:14:08,599
Speaker 19: said an active violence was just done in this country

1531
01:14:08,680 --> 01:14:13,679
Speaker 19: and like bad things are to come, but it's still up.

1532
01:14:13,800 --> 01:14:18,400
Speaker 19: We haven't like taken it down.

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01:14:17,280 --> 01:14:20,240
Speaker 10: And so I don't know where I was going with this.

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01:14:21,400 --> 01:14:24,639
Speaker 19: I think that with tough topics, right, if you're doing

1535
01:14:24,680 --> 01:14:29,439
Speaker 19: them live, you can say things that like later sound

1536
01:14:29,520 --> 01:14:31,840
Speaker 19: not great, and you just have to be okay with that.

1537
01:14:31,960 --> 01:14:34,479
Speaker 10: So over this last several months, we've gotten emails from people.

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01:14:34,320 --> 01:14:36,600
Speaker 19: Being like, I just found out about your podcast a

1539
01:14:36,600 --> 01:14:38,920
Speaker 19: few months ago. I heard your post election note, and

1540
01:14:38,920 --> 01:14:41,080
Speaker 19: it's really troubling to me that there was like false

1541
01:14:41,080 --> 01:14:43,240
Speaker 19: equivalency there, and the only thing we.

1542
01:14:43,160 --> 01:14:44,519
Speaker 10: Can do is right back and be like, yep, it's

1543
01:14:44,520 --> 01:14:48,000
Speaker 10: really troubling to us too, like we would do better now.

1544
01:14:48,439 --> 01:14:51,200
Speaker 19: And then there are some listeners where I talked about

1545
01:14:51,360 --> 01:14:57,160
Speaker 19: in one episode, I talked about police officers killing young

1546
01:14:57,160 --> 01:15:00,200
Speaker 19: black men as an epidemic in America, and we a

1547
01:15:00,200 --> 01:15:03,200
Speaker 19: lot of emails people saying that they weren't going to

1548
01:15:03,200 --> 01:15:05,760
Speaker 19: listen to our podcast anymore, and to that we were

1549
01:15:05,800 --> 01:15:07,920
Speaker 19: like bye, like.

1550
01:15:07,880 --> 01:15:11,920
Speaker 20: That I not only by, but like how did you

1551
01:15:12,040 --> 01:15:17,400
Speaker 20: make it this far? Like like what were we doing

1552
01:15:17,479 --> 01:15:19,480
Speaker 20: wrong that you were still listening?

1553
01:15:21,200 --> 01:15:23,479
Speaker 10: So yeah, I feel like we've had both of that

1554
01:15:23,680 --> 01:15:24,240
Speaker 10: a part of it.

1555
01:15:25,080 --> 01:15:28,719
Speaker 8: Yeah, Well, my podcast is very short lived. We only

1556
01:15:28,720 --> 01:15:31,439
Speaker 8: have done three episodes, and we were sort of in

1557
01:15:31,520 --> 01:15:34,679
Speaker 8: between production companies, so we're sort of in flux.

1558
01:15:34,800 --> 01:15:36,840
Speaker 10: So I don't know if I can speak to.

1559
01:15:38,680 --> 01:15:41,160
Speaker 8: Getting like hate mail because they feel like, for the

1560
01:15:41,200 --> 01:15:44,600
Speaker 8: most part, people have been very receptive to like a

1561
01:15:44,640 --> 01:15:46,400
Speaker 8: podcast on mental health and depression.

1562
01:15:46,400 --> 01:15:47,120
Speaker 10: But it's interesting.

1563
01:15:47,160 --> 01:15:50,880
Speaker 8: Early on when the podcast first came out, I did

1564
01:15:50,880 --> 01:15:53,640
Speaker 8: do an interview for like BBC or something where they're like,

1565
01:15:53,680 --> 01:15:56,200
Speaker 8: we just want to talk about doing a podcast about

1566
01:15:56,240 --> 01:15:58,720
Speaker 8: mental health, and then it sort of turned into a

1567
01:15:58,720 --> 01:16:02,000
Speaker 8: gotcha interview where they're like, do you think depression is

1568
01:16:02,640 --> 01:16:06,000
Speaker 8: something you should make fun of? Which is weird because

1569
01:16:06,000 --> 01:16:09,080
Speaker 8: it's because it's like, we're only talking about our own experiences,

1570
01:16:09,080 --> 01:16:11,080
Speaker 8: so it's very strange to be like, do you feel

1571
01:16:11,080 --> 01:16:15,400
Speaker 8: like you're being disrespectful to yourself by joking about your

1572
01:16:15,439 --> 01:16:16,600
Speaker 8: own life experience?

1573
01:16:16,760 --> 01:16:18,680
Speaker 10: So that was like a little bit of a.

1574
01:16:18,840 --> 01:16:23,360
Speaker 8: Mind warp where it's kind of like interesting to see

1575
01:16:23,400 --> 01:16:26,400
Speaker 8: the way things can backfire and ways you wouldn't even predict,

1576
01:16:26,479 --> 01:16:30,960
Speaker 8: and to sometimes acknowledge that people might not react the

1577
01:16:31,040 --> 01:16:33,280
Speaker 8: right way to your work and that is not your

1578
01:16:33,320 --> 01:16:36,519
Speaker 8: responsibility beyond a certain point, Like I think if you're

1579
01:16:36,600 --> 01:16:40,200
Speaker 8: representing only yourself and your own experience and you're not

1580
01:16:40,320 --> 01:16:42,719
Speaker 8: trying to be like this is how it is for everyone,

1581
01:16:42,840 --> 01:16:45,720
Speaker 8: or this is what everyone with depression should or shouldn't do?

1582
01:16:46,240 --> 01:16:48,400
Speaker 8: You can kind of let go of the fact that

1583
01:16:48,680 --> 01:16:52,640
Speaker 8: sometimes there will be bullback that you don't expect.

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01:16:54,080 --> 01:16:57,439
Speaker 11: The episode that was the most surprising to us that

1585
01:16:57,840 --> 01:17:00,840
Speaker 11: we had heard more about. The thing else that we've

1586
01:17:00,880 --> 01:17:03,519
Speaker 11: ever done, and we've taken on some pretty controversial topics,

1587
01:17:03,880 --> 01:17:05,880
Speaker 11: was the episode we did about a man in Oregon

1588
01:17:05,920 --> 01:17:10,439
Speaker 11: who gave the middle finger to cops. He couldn't stop himself,

1589
01:17:10,800 --> 01:17:12,240
Speaker 11: and I just want to talk to him because I

1590
01:17:12,320 --> 01:17:14,519
Speaker 11: just thought, why doesn't he have something better to do?

1591
01:17:14,600 --> 01:17:17,920
Speaker 18: But you know, but we put that.

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01:17:17,920 --> 01:17:22,760
Speaker 11: Episode out and he Basically it was a conversation that

1593
01:17:22,800 --> 01:17:24,559
Speaker 11: we were trying to explore for a freedom of speech,

1594
01:17:24,640 --> 01:17:26,439
Speaker 11: that you can do whatever you like to a cop.

1595
01:17:27,080 --> 01:17:29,960
Speaker 11: And he was arrested for doing this and then he

1596
01:17:30,040 --> 01:17:31,760
Speaker 11: sooned and he got money. So that's why we were

1597
01:17:31,800 --> 01:17:35,439
Speaker 11: interested in it. What we failed to do properly was

1598
01:17:35,520 --> 01:17:38,280
Speaker 11: to acknowledge, even in a subtle so it could have

1599
01:17:38,280 --> 01:17:42,240
Speaker 11: been very short a sentence or something, to say that

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01:17:42,520 --> 01:17:45,520
Speaker 11: this is a white man giving the finger to cops.

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01:17:45,800 --> 01:17:48,320
Speaker 11: If you were not a white man giving a finger

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01:17:48,360 --> 01:17:51,120
Speaker 11: to cops, he might not just have been arrested. Something

1603
01:17:51,200 --> 01:17:52,320
Speaker 11: worse might have happened.

1604
01:17:52,680 --> 01:17:53,479
Speaker 18: We didn't do that.

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01:17:54,640 --> 01:17:57,920
Speaker 11: We didn't do it, and we should have, and we

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01:17:57,960 --> 01:17:59,920
Speaker 11: heard so we heard a lot of people who were

1607
01:18:00,280 --> 01:18:03,280
Speaker 11: about that, but we also heard a lot of people.

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01:18:02,960 --> 01:18:05,519
Speaker 18: Who just said, then we had to be that camp.

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01:18:05,560 --> 01:18:08,120
Speaker 11: And then we had other people who were unhappy because

1610
01:18:08,360 --> 01:18:11,200
Speaker 11: they respected police officers and they believed that we shouldn't

1611
01:18:11,240 --> 01:18:13,519
Speaker 11: do this episode about why would we give this guy

1612
01:18:13,560 --> 01:18:16,320
Speaker 11: any time? And then there was another camp of people

1613
01:18:16,320 --> 01:18:18,360
Speaker 11: who just thought, why are you letting.

1614
01:18:18,120 --> 01:18:20,599
Speaker 18: This idiot talk for thirty five minutes?

1615
01:18:20,640 --> 01:18:24,599
Speaker 11: Why are you wasting my time with such a name topic.

1616
01:18:25,120 --> 01:18:26,960
Speaker 18: But we were really came it from.

1617
01:18:26,760 --> 01:18:29,880
Speaker 11: All sides, and it was shocking to us that this

1618
01:18:30,720 --> 01:18:34,240
Speaker 11: police middle Finger episode just I.

1619
01:18:34,200 --> 01:18:35,280
Speaker 3: Mean, we could not win.

1620
01:18:37,200 --> 01:18:39,240
Speaker 11: No one wrote and said thanks for doing that one.

1621
01:18:40,560 --> 01:18:41,479
Speaker 11: So I think that's my.

1622
01:18:44,760 --> 01:18:46,760
Speaker 2: For us. I'd say for the most part, we haven't

1623
01:18:46,760 --> 01:18:50,720
Speaker 2: really had an episode yet knock on wood where and

1624
01:18:50,800 --> 01:18:53,519
Speaker 2: we do a lot of shows like oh yeah, like

1625
01:18:53,560 --> 01:18:58,400
Speaker 2: fifteen hundred yeah, So so far we've been pretty good.

1626
01:18:58,520 --> 01:19:00,599
Speaker 2: Like maybe a person or two we will get mad

1627
01:19:00,640 --> 01:19:03,840
Speaker 2: about something, but I don't know. For the most part,

1628
01:19:03,880 --> 01:19:07,720
Speaker 2: I think a lot about before whatever I say, and

1629
01:19:07,800 --> 01:19:11,000
Speaker 2: then with Karen, like we both kind of have a report,

1630
01:19:11,080 --> 01:19:15,080
Speaker 2: so like if we have different opinions, will kind of

1631
01:19:15,160 --> 01:19:18,200
Speaker 2: question each other, and it's not like animosity, it's more

1632
01:19:18,320 --> 01:19:22,559
Speaker 2: like a discussion. So I think the show's tone doesn't

1633
01:19:22,560 --> 01:19:26,400
Speaker 2: really lend itself to like bringing in people who would

1634
01:19:26,520 --> 01:19:29,720
Speaker 2: you know, kind of I don't know, be disappointed by

1635
01:19:29,840 --> 01:19:32,479
Speaker 2: us or whatever. But I think about disappointing people a lot,

1636
01:19:32,680 --> 01:19:35,960
Speaker 2: like so it's maybe too much, which is fine, but

1637
01:19:36,920 --> 01:19:39,320
Speaker 2: I'd rather err on that side. So sometimes there are

1638
01:19:39,320 --> 01:19:42,600
Speaker 2: things where maybe we are being empathetic or too empathetic.

1639
01:19:42,600 --> 01:19:46,720
Speaker 2: And then there's also that we have so much of

1640
01:19:46,760 --> 01:19:52,160
Speaker 2: it as comedy, so we're gonna joke about things that,

1641
01:19:52,880 --> 01:19:54,840
Speaker 2: you know, whether we agree or disagree if we find

1642
01:19:54,840 --> 01:19:59,639
Speaker 2: something funny. So there's a buy into the show already

1643
01:19:59,640 --> 01:20:02,719
Speaker 2: when you listen of why know they're capable of making

1644
01:20:02,720 --> 01:20:06,559
Speaker 2: a joke about anything. So by listening to this, I've

1645
01:20:06,600 --> 01:20:09,680
Speaker 2: kind of already agreed to not be too pissed off

1646
01:20:09,680 --> 01:20:13,800
Speaker 2: with him about everything. So we haven't had one yet.

1647
01:20:13,920 --> 01:20:16,840
Speaker 2: Only time we've really got mad feedback, And I don't

1648
01:20:16,840 --> 01:20:18,720
Speaker 2: think these people listen to our show. But when I

1649
01:20:18,760 --> 01:20:20,679
Speaker 2: was like, I don't really fuck with Bernie Sanders Oh

1650
01:20:20,760 --> 01:20:24,559
Speaker 2: my god. I don't know where do white people came from,

1651
01:20:26,400 --> 01:20:30,679
Speaker 2: but they was made to fight. Well that's the only time.

1652
01:20:30,720 --> 01:20:32,519
Speaker 2: But I don't think they listen to our show like that.

1653
01:20:32,520 --> 01:20:34,320
Speaker 3: So they don't.

1654
01:20:34,439 --> 01:20:38,960
Speaker 7: Roger did the hashtag with Bernie so black, Yes, And

1655
01:20:39,080 --> 01:20:42,439
Speaker 7: so when he did the hashtag Bernie so Black, there

1656
01:20:42,479 --> 01:20:44,920
Speaker 7: were a lot of we called him Brendi brose. So

1657
01:20:45,000 --> 01:20:47,479
Speaker 7: a lot of them Brennie bros wouldn't too pleased with that,

1658
01:20:47,560 --> 01:20:49,439
Speaker 7: and they had to let us know that they wouldn't too.

1659
01:20:49,320 --> 01:20:49,920
Speaker 3: Pleased with that.

1660
01:20:49,960 --> 01:20:53,559
Speaker 7: So they called us and emailed us and just let

1661
01:20:53,640 --> 01:20:58,760
Speaker 7: us know that Brennie was their boy. And like I said,

1662
01:20:59,720 --> 01:21:01,400
Speaker 7: we feel differently about that.

1663
01:21:03,000 --> 01:21:05,519
Speaker 3: And I expressed my differences about that.

1664
01:21:06,800 --> 01:21:08,799
Speaker 16: Because how did you respond?

1665
01:21:08,880 --> 01:21:09,760
Speaker 10: How do you handle that?

1666
01:21:10,280 --> 01:21:13,800
Speaker 3: Oh? Well, I guess we keep it clean.

1667
01:21:15,080 --> 01:21:15,519
Speaker 9: Roderick.

1668
01:21:15,840 --> 01:21:20,040
Speaker 7: Roderick was to the point where he was being very understanding.

1669
01:21:20,080 --> 01:21:22,559
Speaker 7: I was not being understanding. I'm just going to keep

1670
01:21:22,560 --> 01:21:24,759
Speaker 7: that flat. I was just like, I don't got time

1671
01:21:24,920 --> 01:21:29,559
Speaker 7: for you, because the thing about it is that me

1672
01:21:29,680 --> 01:21:32,640
Speaker 7: being a black person and being in black Twitter, you

1673
01:21:33,040 --> 01:21:36,960
Speaker 7: constantly had seen people being harassed by these Bernnie bros,

1674
01:21:37,000 --> 01:21:42,200
Speaker 7: like going and just harassing anybody blackness spoke out against Bernie.

1675
01:21:42,240 --> 01:21:44,200
Speaker 3: It's okay, vote for who you want to vote for.

1676
01:21:44,320 --> 01:21:46,880
Speaker 7: Nobody has a problem with that, But the problem came

1677
01:21:46,880 --> 01:21:50,280
Speaker 7: for the harassment. So my anger was coming back to

1678
01:21:50,360 --> 01:21:54,840
Speaker 7: them from the harassment. And also the harassment is real,

1679
01:21:54,880 --> 01:21:57,280
Speaker 7: and when you have somebody that does not address the

1680
01:21:57,439 --> 01:21:59,240
Speaker 7: audience harassing.

1681
01:21:58,680 --> 01:22:00,400
Speaker 3: People in that like it does not exist.

1682
01:22:00,840 --> 01:22:03,160
Speaker 7: I had a problem with that too because I also

1683
01:22:03,240 --> 01:22:05,599
Speaker 7: think that that's something that he personally. I think that's

1684
01:22:05,640 --> 01:22:06,839
Speaker 7: something that he should have addressed.

1685
01:22:06,840 --> 01:22:09,040
Speaker 3: And was like, hey, you know, I'm staying you're gonna vote,

1686
01:22:09,040 --> 01:22:09,720
Speaker 3: but y'all can't go.

1687
01:22:09,720 --> 01:22:13,040
Speaker 7: Harassing people just because you don't agree with them.

1688
01:22:13,560 --> 01:22:16,960
Speaker 2: In short, the response was from Karen was fuck Bernie Sanders.

1689
01:22:18,360 --> 01:22:20,439
Speaker 2: And my response was like, man, I still vote for

1690
01:22:20,520 --> 01:22:24,280
Speaker 2: that motherfuck over Trump. I mean, like it's Trump, Like

1691
01:22:24,880 --> 01:22:27,519
Speaker 2: I vote for a lot of the things I vote

1692
01:22:27,560 --> 01:22:33,479
Speaker 2: for inanimate objects over Trump anyway. So that was the

1693
01:22:33,520 --> 01:22:35,960
Speaker 2: difference of opinion, But I wouldn't really consider it backlash

1694
01:22:35,960 --> 01:22:37,639
Speaker 2: from our audience. So I feel like those people came

1695
01:22:37,680 --> 01:22:38,960
Speaker 2: from outside of our audience.

1696
01:22:39,360 --> 01:22:42,240
Speaker 16: Yeah, I was not at all the same.

1697
01:22:42,600 --> 01:22:45,400
Speaker 19: But the most hate mail we ever got was when

1698
01:22:45,479 --> 01:22:47,840
Speaker 19: I and I'm scared to admit this right now.

1699
01:22:47,840 --> 01:22:50,120
Speaker 10: When I said I don't like snape.

1700
01:22:49,960 --> 01:22:53,360
Speaker 19: So you like prepared to talk about child abuse and

1701
01:22:53,400 --> 01:22:56,200
Speaker 19: then you like make an offhanded comment about a book character,

1702
01:22:56,280 --> 01:22:58,960
Speaker 19: and people are like, I liked your podcast until and

1703
01:22:59,000 --> 01:23:00,479
Speaker 19: you are clearly a terrible person.

1704
01:23:01,520 --> 01:23:05,080
Speaker 20: Okay, so you never know what's going to upset people.

1705
01:23:05,320 --> 01:23:06,519
Speaker 10: Not the same, but.

1706
01:23:06,520 --> 01:23:09,000
Speaker 2: I was like, no, no, it happened with me. When

1707
01:23:09,000 --> 01:23:10,639
Speaker 2: I said I didn't like Tellby from This is.

1708
01:23:10,640 --> 01:23:14,040
Speaker 10: Us, it was a lot yeah, right, I don't like

1709
01:23:14,120 --> 01:23:14,719
Speaker 10: Tobe either.

1710
01:23:17,600 --> 01:23:17,920
Speaker 21: Right.

1711
01:23:19,320 --> 01:23:22,000
Speaker 16: So when we did the baby episode that stirred up

1712
01:23:22,000 --> 01:23:22,840
Speaker 16: a lot of controversy.

1713
01:23:22,880 --> 01:23:24,800
Speaker 15: I got trolled extensively on Twitter.

1714
01:23:24,920 --> 01:23:26,720
Speaker 16: After, I think mostly just for being a woman and

1715
01:23:26,760 --> 01:23:29,000
Speaker 16: having an opinion about my uterus. I think was really

1716
01:23:29,000 --> 01:23:32,320
Speaker 16: what it came down to, even though I was totally

1717
01:23:32,360 --> 01:23:34,160
Speaker 16: clear about like, I'm not judging anybody else for any

1718
01:23:34,160 --> 01:23:35,520
Speaker 16: of your reproductive decisions.

1719
01:23:35,840 --> 01:23:37,479
Speaker 18: But all the tweets, all the hate.

1720
01:23:37,280 --> 01:23:39,920
Speaker 16: Came from from what I could tell, middle aged white

1721
01:23:39,920 --> 01:23:40,719
Speaker 16: males on Twitter.

1722
01:23:41,120 --> 01:23:44,519
Speaker 15: And I didn't respond to the trolls. They say, don't

1723
01:23:44,520 --> 01:23:46,320
Speaker 15: feed the trolls until they.

1724
01:23:46,160 --> 01:23:48,680
Speaker 16: Were grammatically incorrect, and one of them said something that

1725
01:23:48,800 --> 01:23:50,040
Speaker 16: was like, I'm so.

1726
01:23:50,080 --> 01:23:54,280
Speaker 15: Glad you're why o you apostrophe r jeans are going

1727
01:23:54,320 --> 01:23:55,800
Speaker 15: to be leaving the gene pool and.

1728
01:23:55,760 --> 01:23:57,920
Speaker 16: At that I just, first of all, nowhere in the

1729
01:23:57,960 --> 01:23:59,360
Speaker 16: episode did I say I'm not having kids.

1730
01:23:59,400 --> 01:24:00,360
Speaker 15: I might have kids, It's.

1731
01:24:00,240 --> 01:24:02,360
Speaker 16: Right, straight up, but I just had to correct that

1732
01:24:02,400 --> 01:24:06,360
Speaker 16: when I was like, it's your you are sorry if

1733
01:24:06,439 --> 01:24:08,240
Speaker 16: it at thought, But I'm curious to hear from you

1734
01:24:08,320 --> 01:24:10,960
Speaker 16: guys more about what kind of when you do these

1735
01:24:11,000 --> 01:24:13,000
Speaker 16: tough topics, what do your listeners tell you, not just

1736
01:24:13,000 --> 01:24:15,000
Speaker 16: the hate mail, but like what kind of positive what

1737
01:24:15,120 --> 01:24:16,880
Speaker 16: makes you keep going into these places?

1738
01:24:16,920 --> 01:24:20,920
Speaker 2: Because it's not easy, you know, uh for us, I

1739
01:24:20,960 --> 01:24:25,360
Speaker 2: mean we do get like some reaffirming stuff because especially

1740
01:24:25,360 --> 01:24:29,000
Speaker 2: if you're in a marginalized community in America, probably throughout

1741
01:24:29,000 --> 01:24:32,680
Speaker 2: the world, but definitely in America. You know, we're spread out.

1742
01:24:32,800 --> 01:24:35,640
Speaker 2: So like if I'm a black dude in Wisconsin, I

1743
01:24:35,680 --> 01:24:37,200
Speaker 2: may have to go to work and I work with

1744
01:24:37,240 --> 01:24:40,000
Speaker 2: nothing but people that aren't black. I live in a community,

1745
01:24:40,040 --> 01:24:41,320
Speaker 2: I may even go to a church, so like I

1746
01:24:41,320 --> 01:24:43,840
Speaker 2: don't have a solid I don't have a place, and

1747
01:24:44,160 --> 01:24:46,040
Speaker 2: listening to your podcast, I almost like having friends in

1748
01:24:46,040 --> 01:24:48,559
Speaker 2: your head, right, So it's like, oh, I'm not crazy,

1749
01:24:48,680 --> 01:24:52,920
Speaker 2: Like I can think this thing. And you know, if

1750
01:24:52,960 --> 01:24:58,120
Speaker 2: you're dealing with mental illness, like you can, Oh, someone

1751
01:24:58,120 --> 01:25:03,280
Speaker 2: else knows what depression is. If you're lgbt Q, we're

1752
01:25:03,320 --> 01:25:05,519
Speaker 2: you know, we're not. But at the same time, like

1753
01:25:05,600 --> 01:25:09,120
Speaker 2: the fact that we're trying to be allies and trying

1754
01:25:09,160 --> 01:25:11,280
Speaker 2: to make a space for people, so you can be like, look, man,

1755
01:25:11,840 --> 01:25:14,680
Speaker 2: this isn't right. I see what's happening to you and

1756
01:25:14,920 --> 01:25:18,320
Speaker 2: I know as black people, and I'm sure Karen's a

1757
01:25:18,320 --> 01:25:21,360
Speaker 2: black woman, we get that feeling because we're we're also

1758
01:25:21,479 --> 01:25:24,280
Speaker 2: podcast listeners, so we're listening to stuff and we're like, oh,

1759
01:25:24,360 --> 01:25:27,280
Speaker 2: you you recognize that this is unjust. You recognize that

1760
01:25:27,360 --> 01:25:31,439
Speaker 2: this is uh, we we have a shared connection here

1761
01:25:31,479 --> 01:25:33,920
Speaker 2: and that we need to stand together on this, and

1762
01:25:34,920 --> 01:25:36,599
Speaker 2: we want to make our show a space for that,

1763
01:25:37,040 --> 01:25:39,280
Speaker 2: you know. And it's a little difficult because it is

1764
01:25:39,280 --> 01:25:44,200
Speaker 2: still comedy. So so sometimes it's us going, oh, yeah,

1765
01:25:44,240 --> 01:25:47,519
Speaker 2: we're gonna read all these articles about immigration and uh,

1766
01:25:47,600 --> 01:25:50,000
Speaker 2: this is really messed up. So we're gonna we're gonna

1767
01:25:50,000 --> 01:25:52,000
Speaker 2: turn something into a game. Like we have a game

1768
01:25:52,040 --> 01:25:53,960
Speaker 2: we started when we first started. It's called fucking with

1769
01:25:54,000 --> 01:25:58,000
Speaker 2: black people. And so we would take an article and

1770
01:25:58,040 --> 01:26:00,080
Speaker 2: we'll sign points from zero to one hundred intervals of

1771
01:26:00,120 --> 01:26:02,799
Speaker 2: twenty five how much we would fuck with by the articles.

1772
01:26:02,840 --> 01:26:07,320
Speaker 2: So it's like, oh, this dude put a Confederate flag

1773
01:26:07,439 --> 01:26:09,880
Speaker 2: up next to where these kids play, and we're like

1774
01:26:10,160 --> 01:26:13,360
Speaker 2: a hundred, you know, but there's so many people, Like

1775
01:26:13,400 --> 01:26:15,960
Speaker 2: when we did our first live show, you know, we're

1776
01:26:15,960 --> 01:26:18,599
Speaker 2: seeing an artist and they're like one hundred, and you're like, yeah,

1777
01:26:18,800 --> 01:26:21,680
Speaker 2: that's that must be what's happening everywhere, you know, like

1778
01:26:22,240 --> 01:26:24,400
Speaker 2: in Wisconsin, there's some dude being like one hundred is

1779
01:26:24,400 --> 01:26:25,880
Speaker 2: desk and they're like, what are you doing. I'm just

1780
01:26:25,880 --> 01:26:27,320
Speaker 2: supposed to be working. You're like, oh, yeah, I'm working.

1781
01:26:27,600 --> 01:26:30,360
Speaker 2: But it's that same that's it's that same type of

1782
01:26:30,880 --> 01:26:33,960
Speaker 2: community that we that gets provided from that. So that's

1783
01:26:33,960 --> 01:26:37,120
Speaker 2: the good feedback we get from talking about top tough topics.

1784
01:26:37,400 --> 01:26:40,680
Speaker 2: And then sometimes we get negative feedback because you you know,

1785
01:26:40,760 --> 01:26:42,680
Speaker 2: sometimes you piss people off they don't agree with you

1786
01:26:42,840 --> 01:26:46,240
Speaker 2: or you know, the dreaded you know, I don't agree

1787
01:26:46,280 --> 01:26:49,080
Speaker 2: with everything you say, but you know, we'll get those

1788
01:26:49,080 --> 01:26:52,439
Speaker 2: type of responses to I made a joke earlier this

1789
01:26:52,520 --> 01:26:55,600
Speaker 2: year about if Jesus was gay because he didn't have

1790
01:26:55,640 --> 01:26:57,640
Speaker 2: any kids, and I was like, what's wrong with what

1791
01:26:57,640 --> 01:27:00,080
Speaker 2: would be wrong with him being gay? And then I

1792
01:27:00,080 --> 01:27:01,840
Speaker 2: may have taken a little far about him having said

1793
01:27:01,880 --> 01:27:06,720
Speaker 2: with some apostles and stuff and we but but there's

1794
01:27:06,760 --> 01:27:09,000
Speaker 2: thirteen men and like one woman, like what we've been

1795
01:27:09,040 --> 01:27:11,439
Speaker 2: wrong with that? Anyway, I don't want to rehash it.

1796
01:27:11,439 --> 01:27:13,240
Speaker 2: I don't want to rehash it. But the point is

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01:27:13,960 --> 01:27:16,120
Speaker 2: I knew that that could pay somebody off too. So

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01:27:16,160 --> 01:27:19,120
Speaker 2: sometimes the feedback you get is you talked about this

1799
01:27:19,280 --> 01:27:21,600
Speaker 2: topic and you weren't it's a tough topic to me

1800
01:27:21,720 --> 01:27:24,240
Speaker 2: or whatever, and you're not taking it seriously enough, or

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01:27:24,880 --> 01:27:29,400
Speaker 2: you're picking on my theme. So you know, it's the

1802
01:27:29,439 --> 01:27:31,280
Speaker 2: hazard of doing getting on the mic.

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01:27:33,760 --> 01:27:39,600
Speaker 7: And I think for me being a female, once you

1804
01:27:39,680 --> 01:27:43,559
Speaker 7: turn this microphone on, you automatically get hate from anybody

1805
01:27:43,560 --> 01:27:44,120
Speaker 7: with the penis.

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Speaker 3: I'll come to the realization of that. For the fact

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01:27:46,840 --> 01:27:47,320
Speaker 3: that you have.

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01:27:47,280 --> 01:27:50,240
Speaker 7: A vagina, people feel like your voice is not valid.

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01:27:50,840 --> 01:27:53,559
Speaker 7: And so I'm to the point now that I don't care,

1810
01:27:53,640 --> 01:27:55,360
Speaker 7: but I used to always didn't be like that. And

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01:27:55,439 --> 01:28:00,680
Speaker 7: also being black too, I think when you talk about topics.

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01:28:00,800 --> 01:28:02,760
Speaker 3: I have realized that there.

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01:28:02,880 --> 01:28:05,559
Speaker 7: Are people out there that are listening that feel the

1814
01:28:05,600 --> 01:28:09,360
Speaker 7: same way I do, and they don't have the words,

1815
01:28:09,439 --> 01:28:10,960
Speaker 7: or they don't know how to put it together, or

1816
01:28:11,040 --> 01:28:16,240
Speaker 7: they feel overwhelmed, or they feel as though they're crazy

1817
01:28:16,360 --> 01:28:19,479
Speaker 7: or something's wrong with them, and they go you said

1818
01:28:19,920 --> 01:28:23,720
Speaker 7: exactly how I felt, or you took my words and

1819
01:28:23,760 --> 01:28:26,960
Speaker 7: you made my words make sense, or you took the

1820
01:28:27,000 --> 01:28:29,400
Speaker 7: thoughts that was rambling around in my head all different

1821
01:28:29,439 --> 01:28:31,520
Speaker 7: directions and helped me focus.

1822
01:28:31,200 --> 01:28:34,439
Speaker 3: Them so that I could be in their better place.

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01:28:34,600 --> 01:28:38,080
Speaker 7: And you know, when you're a female, most females have

1824
01:28:38,160 --> 01:28:43,719
Speaker 7: had some form of harassment, be it verbally, sexually, rape, all.

1825
01:28:43,600 --> 01:28:44,280
Speaker 3: Types of stuff.

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01:28:44,320 --> 01:28:46,559
Speaker 7: So you know, when I talk about these things that

1827
01:28:46,600 --> 01:28:49,240
Speaker 7: are happening to me, those are those tough topics, you know,

1828
01:28:49,280 --> 01:28:52,240
Speaker 7: because it's very hard once you really get down to

1829
01:28:52,680 --> 01:28:56,200
Speaker 7: the root of a lot of these problems, and once

1830
01:28:56,240 --> 01:28:58,439
Speaker 7: you really start talking about a lot of topics.

1831
01:28:58,479 --> 01:28:59,479
Speaker 3: I know a lot of our.

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01:28:59,320 --> 01:29:02,960
Speaker 7: Pushback, well, particularly on social media, is when you start

1833
01:29:03,040 --> 01:29:06,400
Speaker 7: talking about victims of rape and and sexual assault.

1834
01:29:06,720 --> 01:29:09,280
Speaker 3: All of a sudden you have the men but but.

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01:29:09,360 --> 01:29:12,080
Speaker 7: Not about me, but but but but but but I know, for.

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01:29:12,120 --> 01:29:12,800
Speaker 3: Me as a woman.

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01:29:12,840 --> 01:29:15,320
Speaker 7: I don't care. I'm just gonna keep that real. I

1838
01:29:15,479 --> 01:29:19,360
Speaker 7: don't care that you don't do it. You or somebody

1839
01:29:19,400 --> 01:29:22,240
Speaker 7: around you. You have not addressed it, You have not

1840
01:29:22,320 --> 01:29:24,960
Speaker 7: talked to them, you know. Because the thing is, I've

1841
01:29:24,960 --> 01:29:27,920
Speaker 7: come to the point that people in society have got

1842
01:29:27,920 --> 01:29:29,360
Speaker 7: to be retrained, you know.

1843
01:29:29,320 --> 01:29:30,320
Speaker 3: When it comes to.

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01:29:32,720 --> 01:29:34,920
Speaker 7: Uh, like I said, when it comes to the way

1845
01:29:35,040 --> 01:29:38,680
Speaker 7: society processes things. There are a lot of things that

1846
01:29:38,720 --> 01:29:41,599
Speaker 7: we've been taught that are wrong, you know. And I

1847
01:29:41,640 --> 01:29:45,160
Speaker 7: think that for the first time, modulized groups are having

1848
01:29:45,240 --> 01:29:47,080
Speaker 7: voices that people would.

1849
01:29:46,840 --> 01:29:47,679
Speaker 3: Didn't have to hear.

1850
01:29:47,960 --> 01:29:50,360
Speaker 7: Men didn't have to hear what women thought about their bodies,

1851
01:29:50,400 --> 01:29:52,880
Speaker 7: men didn't have to hear what women thought about sexuality,

1852
01:29:53,120 --> 01:29:56,680
Speaker 7: because society tells more straight men that, you know, your

1853
01:29:56,720 --> 01:29:59,919
Speaker 7: woman is property like that chair, and she has no opinion,

1854
01:30:00,040 --> 01:30:02,799
Speaker 7: and what you say goes particularly when we talk about religion,

1855
01:30:03,120 --> 01:30:05,600
Speaker 7: and so once you start getting into these topics and

1856
01:30:05,640 --> 01:30:07,400
Speaker 7: you start kind of getting to the root and the

1857
01:30:07,400 --> 01:30:09,840
Speaker 7: causes of them, I realize I've even had men come

1858
01:30:09,880 --> 01:30:12,879
Speaker 7: to me and say, because you talked about these topics

1859
01:30:12,880 --> 01:30:15,599
Speaker 7: and the way you talked about these topics, I've learned

1860
01:30:15,640 --> 01:30:18,839
Speaker 7: how to love my wife better because you've addressed these things.

1861
01:30:19,080 --> 01:30:21,320
Speaker 7: I've learned how to talk to my daughter better. Because

1862
01:30:21,320 --> 01:30:23,920
Speaker 7: you've addressed these things. I feel like now I can

1863
01:30:23,960 --> 01:30:26,800
Speaker 7: go and talk to my daughter to be sure she

1864
01:30:26,840 --> 01:30:29,679
Speaker 7: hasn't been molested in any type or way form of fashion,

1865
01:30:30,000 --> 01:30:33,879
Speaker 7: you know, because I because the thing about privilege. Privilege

1866
01:30:33,920 --> 01:30:36,719
Speaker 7: has to be addressed, and if you don't address that problem,

1867
01:30:36,800 --> 01:30:39,080
Speaker 7: you go into other things. So when you talk about

1868
01:30:39,080 --> 01:30:41,360
Speaker 7: these heavy topics, you also.

1869
01:30:41,200 --> 01:30:43,760
Speaker 3: Have to stem out into other avenues. And sometimes are

1870
01:30:44,040 --> 01:30:45,160
Speaker 3: heavy topics.

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01:30:44,800 --> 01:30:47,439
Speaker 7: Based off of the start of a topic, and it

1872
01:30:47,520 --> 01:30:48,719
Speaker 7: kind of leads you down.

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Speaker 10: On the roads.

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Speaker 11: Well, we when we started Criminal, we wanted to do

1875
01:31:02,320 --> 01:31:05,360
Speaker 11: a show that we never do an episode that only

1876
01:31:06,040 --> 01:31:10,719
Speaker 11: features experts or politicians or for it to be on Criminal,

1877
01:31:10,720 --> 01:31:13,479
Speaker 11: we have to have a personal story and that helps

1878
01:31:13,560 --> 01:31:15,800
Speaker 11: us because if you have a personal story, and we've

1879
01:31:15,880 --> 01:31:19,000
Speaker 11: I mean, I've interviewed murderers, but it's a person and

1880
01:31:19,000 --> 01:31:21,920
Speaker 11: that's we've always thought our job isn't to judge, but

1881
01:31:22,040 --> 01:31:24,880
Speaker 11: rather to just find out why someone did what they

1882
01:31:24,920 --> 01:31:26,640
Speaker 11: did or how they got to a place where this

1883
01:31:26,760 --> 01:31:31,519
Speaker 11: was a good idea we episode that we just had

1884
01:31:31,560 --> 01:31:33,880
Speaker 11: Our most recent episode is the best port of a

1885
01:31:33,880 --> 01:31:36,080
Speaker 11: man named Willie Grimes, who spent twenty five years in

1886
01:31:36,120 --> 01:31:39,559
Speaker 11: prison wrongly for the rape of a white woman. He

1887
01:31:39,600 --> 01:31:42,680
Speaker 11: was a black man in Hickory, North Carolina. It was

1888
01:31:42,800 --> 01:31:45,000
Speaker 11: very taught hard for us because we're at a moment

1889
01:31:45,120 --> 01:31:48,439
Speaker 11: right now where we're talking a lot about sexual abuse

1890
01:31:48,560 --> 01:31:52,680
Speaker 11: and rape and problems, and we had an issue here

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01:31:52,680 --> 01:31:56,040
Speaker 11: where we had a man who was wrongly identified by

1892
01:31:56,240 --> 01:31:58,720
Speaker 11: a woman who was a victim of rape.

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01:31:58,800 --> 01:31:59,880
Speaker 18: And so it's not her fault.

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01:32:00,240 --> 01:32:03,280
Speaker 11: She her glasses knocked off, she was sixty nine, she

1895
01:32:03,320 --> 01:32:07,120
Speaker 11: had just gone through a terrible trauma, and she picked

1896
01:32:07,120 --> 01:32:09,040
Speaker 11: the wrong guy out of the lineup, and the result

1897
01:32:09,080 --> 01:32:11,960
Speaker 11: of that is that Willie Grimes was spent twenty five

1898
01:32:12,000 --> 01:32:12,719
Speaker 11: years in prison.

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01:32:13,960 --> 01:32:14,639
Speaker 18: That's hard.

1900
01:32:14,720 --> 01:32:17,679
Speaker 11: We really really struggled with the sense of being able

1901
01:32:17,720 --> 01:32:19,320
Speaker 11: to tell his story.

1902
01:32:18,920 --> 01:32:21,639
Speaker 18: And the wrong that had been done to him, but not.

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01:32:21,680 --> 01:32:24,519
Speaker 11: Because this victim got it wrong, but rather how the

1904
01:32:24,560 --> 01:32:25,920
Speaker 11: police department.

1905
01:32:25,520 --> 01:32:27,599
Speaker 18: Allowed her to get it wrong.

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01:32:28,240 --> 01:32:31,360
Speaker 11: And so what we find when we do these stories

1907
01:32:31,360 --> 01:32:35,639
Speaker 11: about people like Willy Grimes, he said that he got

1908
01:32:35,640 --> 01:32:37,759
Speaker 11: he was in twenty five years in prison and he

1909
01:32:37,880 --> 01:32:40,800
Speaker 11: just got out and he's the nicest man, and he said.

1910
01:32:40,960 --> 01:32:42,600
Speaker 11: I asked him what he was doing now, and he

1911
01:32:42,640 --> 01:32:44,479
Speaker 11: said that he thought he might like to take a

1912
01:32:44,520 --> 01:32:46,880
Speaker 11: trip someday, but he hadn't yet, but he got his

1913
01:32:46,960 --> 01:32:49,800
Speaker 11: passport just in case. And I said, well, where would

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01:32:49,840 --> 01:32:52,000
Speaker 11: you like to go? And he said, well, I had

1915
01:32:52,000 --> 01:32:54,320
Speaker 11: a friend in prison who was from Puerto Rico and

1916
01:32:54,360 --> 01:32:56,519
Speaker 11: it sounds like a pretty nice place. Maybe one day

1917
01:32:56,560 --> 01:32:59,720
Speaker 11: I'll go to Puerto Rico. And we've had so many

1918
01:32:59,760 --> 01:33:02,280
Speaker 11: people people writing in to say I'd.

1919
01:33:02,040 --> 01:33:04,000
Speaker 18: Like to send Willy Grimes to Puerto Rico.

1920
01:33:04,479 --> 01:33:08,000
Speaker 11: And so you know, when we get a connection like

1921
01:33:08,080 --> 01:33:10,679
Speaker 11: that with someone and people listen to this guy's story

1922
01:33:10,720 --> 01:33:13,880
Speaker 11: and not only do they think about the problems with

1923
01:33:14,000 --> 01:33:17,000
Speaker 11: his life, but also what is going on with our

1924
01:33:17,040 --> 01:33:18,280
Speaker 11: criminal justicism that.

1925
01:33:18,240 --> 01:33:20,880
Speaker 18: Would allow this type of situation.

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01:33:21,520 --> 01:33:24,280
Speaker 11: That, to me is when we've really succeeded, when we

1927
01:33:24,320 --> 01:33:28,360
Speaker 11: can take one story and highlight the bigger problems through

1928
01:33:28,400 --> 01:33:31,879
Speaker 11: this one man's story.

1929
01:33:33,200 --> 01:33:35,720
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think one thing Phoebe said about having a

1930
01:33:35,720 --> 01:33:39,920
Speaker 8: personal story, I think that is such a great gateway

1931
01:33:40,160 --> 01:33:44,400
Speaker 8: for a lot of people to maybe hook into tougher

1932
01:33:44,439 --> 01:33:47,360
Speaker 8: topics that they might not have personal experience with, or

1933
01:33:49,040 --> 01:33:51,360
Speaker 8: maybe they have a relative or a friend who suffers

1934
01:33:51,360 --> 01:33:53,440
Speaker 8: for mental illness, but they don't quite.

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01:33:53,160 --> 01:33:54,640
Speaker 3: Know exactly what it's like.

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Speaker 8: And I think the good thing about podcasting is it's

1937
01:33:57,160 --> 01:33:59,840
Speaker 8: so intimate, like you're right in the person's ear. So

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01:34:00,120 --> 01:34:03,640
Speaker 8: I think it is kind of interesting in that with

1939
01:34:03,680 --> 01:34:06,880
Speaker 8: mental health, like usually that is something that lives in

1940
01:34:06,920 --> 01:34:10,200
Speaker 8: your brain, like it's I find podcasting is like a

1941
01:34:10,200 --> 01:34:13,720
Speaker 8: fascinating way to broach it because you are essentially in

1942
01:34:13,800 --> 01:34:18,200
Speaker 8: the person's brain, so it is like a very direct

1943
01:34:18,280 --> 01:34:21,519
Speaker 8: way to talk about mental health that sort of is

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Speaker 8: almost like a way someone might experience it personally that

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Speaker 8: is like harder to get with other mediums necessarily, So

1946
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Speaker 8: I think it's it is in that way like unique.

1947
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Speaker 19: So we we don't think of ourselves as like chaplains

1948
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Speaker 19: to our audience, but I do think there's a chaplaincy

1949
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Speaker 19: tone to what we do.

1950
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Speaker 10: So we get a lot of.

1951
01:34:47,200 --> 01:34:52,120
Speaker 19: Very personal emails and voice messages from people, you know,

1952
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Speaker 19: talking about their experience being raped, their experience with cancer,

1953
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Speaker 19: with losing parents.

1954
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Speaker 10: And loved ones, and.

1955
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Speaker 19: That feels like such a generous, interesting act that they

1956
01:35:05,680 --> 01:35:10,280
Speaker 19: are emailing us and sending in these voice messages. So

1957
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Speaker 19: we're we always we listen to every single voicemail and

1958
01:35:12,760 --> 01:35:14,720
Speaker 19: we respond to every single email.

1959
01:35:16,080 --> 01:35:20,679
Speaker 10: And it feels like a gift to us.

1960
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Speaker 19: We play a voicemail in every episode of the podcast

1961
01:35:23,920 --> 01:35:26,720
Speaker 19: to make sure that community voices are heard and it's

1962
01:35:26,760 --> 01:35:29,759
Speaker 19: not just me and Casper all the time.

1963
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Speaker 10: But it's actually been overwhelming to us.

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Speaker 19: I guess what we've gotten back from sharing and from

1965
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Speaker 19: talking about these things. The other thing that's as sounding

1966
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Speaker 19: is we get credit for things that we just We

1967
01:35:41,200 --> 01:35:43,519
Speaker 19: got an email recently. We had a friend of ours

1968
01:35:43,560 --> 01:35:46,080
Speaker 19: was on the podcast and he's a foster dad and

1969
01:35:46,160 --> 01:35:48,519
Speaker 19: so he was talking about being a foster dad because Harry,

1970
01:35:48,840 --> 01:35:51,240
Speaker 19: you know, could have had better foster parents, and so

1971
01:35:51,280 --> 01:35:55,200
Speaker 19: it's you know, on topic for Harry Potter. And we've

1972
01:35:55,200 --> 01:35:59,519
Speaker 19: gotten too emails from people who have said, I've been

1973
01:35:59,560 --> 01:36:01,360
Speaker 19: thinking about a foster parent for a long time and

1974
01:36:01,439 --> 01:36:03,880
Speaker 19: your podcast is the reason that now I've signed up

1975
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Speaker 19: to be a foster parent. And I'm like that that

1976
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Speaker 19: is so sweet and that is bullshit, Like that is

1977
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Speaker 19: all you like, you are doing an amazing thing.

1978
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Speaker 10: We take zero credit, but thank you.

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Speaker 19: But I think that what that speaks to me is

1980
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Speaker 19: that by talking about these tough topics. It speaks to

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01:36:24,760 --> 01:36:26,759
Speaker 19: me that we all need to be talking to each

1982
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Speaker 19: other more about these difficult things and demystifying things to

1983
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Speaker 19: one another. And because yeah, if two strangers can get

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Speaker 19: credit for like being the tipping point for people to

1985
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Speaker 19: go out and be foster parents, imagine what people who

1986
01:36:43,600 --> 01:36:46,280
Speaker 19: you actually knew and loved and trusted could do if

1987
01:36:46,280 --> 01:36:48,120
Speaker 19: we had the courage to talk to each other about

1988
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Speaker 19: these tough topics.

1989
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Speaker 10: So that's.

1990
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Speaker 19: Yes, So we get credit for all sorts of great things,

1991
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Speaker 19: and I'm just gonna take it.

1992
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Speaker 10: Yeah, and you know you should in part.

1993
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Speaker 16: I think like part of our job is starting the

1994
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Speaker 16: conversations and normalizing them. That maybe foster Carrey isn't something

1995
01:37:05,240 --> 01:37:06,800
Speaker 16: that those people had encountered in.

1996
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Speaker 15: Their personalize but the fact that you had a friend

1997
01:37:08,640 --> 01:37:09,920
Speaker 15: who had done it, it's not a big deal.

1998
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Speaker 16: Like people are thinking about this just kind of plants

1999
01:37:12,240 --> 01:37:15,720
Speaker 16: the seed, I think, and to build on that, I

2000
01:37:15,720 --> 01:37:17,720
Speaker 16: get asked a lot from funders or my bosses at

2001
01:37:17,720 --> 01:37:18,080
Speaker 16: the station.

2002
01:37:18,200 --> 01:37:19,960
Speaker 15: You know, what's the impact of your show?

2003
01:37:20,160 --> 01:37:21,920
Speaker 16: You how can you show that you're moving the needle

2004
01:37:21,960 --> 01:37:25,400
Speaker 16: or that you're growing your listenership And the most meaningful

2005
01:37:25,439 --> 01:37:27,920
Speaker 16: impact for me is when people are taking the topics

2006
01:37:27,920 --> 01:37:30,360
Speaker 16: that we are talking about and incorporating them into their lives.

2007
01:37:30,360 --> 01:37:32,360
Speaker 16: And so we actually had after we did the baby episode,

2008
01:37:32,360 --> 01:37:33,680
Speaker 16: which I don't why keep talking about this one is

2009
01:37:33,680 --> 01:37:35,840
Speaker 16: maybe one of the tougher topics we've addressed it on

2010
01:37:35,880 --> 01:37:38,479
Speaker 16: the show so far, but we heard back from a

2011
01:37:38,479 --> 01:37:40,960
Speaker 16: young couple. He really didn't want to have kids for

2012
01:37:41,040 --> 01:37:43,400
Speaker 16: environmental reasons, was just not feeling like that was something

2013
01:37:43,400 --> 01:37:45,519
Speaker 16: he wanted to do for the planet. But his partner,

2014
01:37:45,760 --> 01:37:48,200
Speaker 16: they were engaged, and it was almost a point of

2015
01:37:48,240 --> 01:37:51,240
Speaker 16: a breaking point in their relationship. She really wanted biological children,

2016
01:37:51,600 --> 01:37:53,400
Speaker 16: and they landed after.

2017
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Speaker 15: Hearing our episode.

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Speaker 16: Again, we don't take credit, but it was like that

2019
01:37:56,000 --> 01:37:59,320
Speaker 16: was what started the conversation for them on adopting. So

2020
01:37:59,360 --> 01:38:00,880
Speaker 16: I don't know if it was or how they they're

2021
01:38:00,880 --> 01:38:01,600
Speaker 16: going to go about doing it.

2022
01:38:01,640 --> 01:38:03,040
Speaker 15: We're going to interview them and build.

2023
01:38:02,800 --> 01:38:05,800
Speaker 16: A whole follow up episode with feedback from listeners about

2024
01:38:05,920 --> 01:38:08,960
Speaker 16: kind of the conversations that that first episode started. And

2025
01:38:09,000 --> 01:38:11,439
Speaker 16: I'm having a lot of fun thinking about the content

2026
01:38:11,479 --> 01:38:13,840
Speaker 16: when we do go into these tough topics to then

2027
01:38:13,920 --> 01:38:16,679
Speaker 16: almost do like a table setting episode where will present

2028
01:38:16,720 --> 01:38:18,920
Speaker 16: sort of the different perspectives. You'll hear from different couples,

2029
01:38:18,960 --> 01:38:21,599
Speaker 16: You'll hear from somebody who thinks humans shouldvoluntarily go extinct,

2030
01:38:21,760 --> 01:38:23,519
Speaker 16: and then we'll kind of turn to you, the listener,

2031
01:38:23,560 --> 01:38:25,559
Speaker 16: and ask you to tell us how you feel about

2032
01:38:25,600 --> 01:38:26,800
Speaker 16: it and how you're addressing.

2033
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Speaker 10: These personal choices.

2034
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Speaker 16: And that's that's been really fruitful and exciting for me

2035
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Speaker 16: as a producer.

2036
01:38:31,040 --> 01:38:32,760
Speaker 15: So I'd love to hear more about like, when you

2037
01:38:32,840 --> 01:38:33,559
Speaker 15: hear back from.

2038
01:38:33,479 --> 01:38:36,040
Speaker 16: People, does that affect how you go forward, how you

2039
01:38:36,080 --> 01:38:38,879
Speaker 16: make maybe subsequent episodes, or how you address topics differently

2040
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Speaker 16: in the future.

2041
01:38:39,720 --> 01:38:40,840
Speaker 15: Let's start down there with you guys.

2042
01:38:41,439 --> 01:38:44,639
Speaker 2: Oh hell yeah, man, yeah, what kind of psychopath would

2043
01:38:44,640 --> 01:38:48,240
Speaker 2: listen to people and listen to a show? It'd be like,

2044
01:38:48,479 --> 01:38:51,720
Speaker 2: not fuck that, man, It's no other way to view

2045
01:38:51,760 --> 01:38:54,760
Speaker 2: this shit. Part of the thing about talking about tough

2046
01:38:54,800 --> 01:38:57,599
Speaker 2: topics is and it's weird because you have to know

2047
01:38:57,680 --> 01:38:59,880
Speaker 2: what you don't know in a way, or at least

2048
01:38:59,880 --> 01:39:02,960
Speaker 2: be humble enough to accept that you don't know everything. Right,

2049
01:39:04,120 --> 01:39:07,080
Speaker 2: People look at the fact that you're they're listening to

2050
01:39:07,080 --> 01:39:08,639
Speaker 2: you and they kind of go like, oh, you're speaking

2051
01:39:08,640 --> 01:39:12,720
Speaker 2: either for this community or you're addressing this community or

2052
01:39:12,720 --> 01:39:17,120
Speaker 2: whatever whoever you have in mind. But we're all individuals,

2053
01:39:17,240 --> 01:39:20,559
Speaker 2: so it's impossible for me to consider everything. There have

2054
01:39:20,560 --> 01:39:23,000
Speaker 2: been times. I remember one time we had a guest

2055
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Speaker 2: who she uh, I forget the words she is, but

2056
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Speaker 2: I think she used disabled and we didn't know if

2057
01:39:30,160 --> 01:39:33,200
Speaker 2: you're supposed to say disabled, the disabled or handicap. So

2058
01:39:33,479 --> 01:39:35,400
Speaker 2: we just did we literally we literally didn't know. We

2059
01:39:35,479 --> 01:39:37,320
Speaker 2: just had like a five minute segment like are we

2060
01:39:37,360 --> 01:39:40,479
Speaker 2: offending people? We're definitely offending people one way or the

2061
01:39:40,520 --> 01:39:42,880
Speaker 2: other because we're picking and we don't we don't know, right.

2062
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Speaker 2: So someone wrote in they were a person that they

2063
01:39:46,920 --> 01:39:50,679
Speaker 2: were activist at disability Justice, and she was going through

2064
01:39:50,720 --> 01:39:52,800
Speaker 2: like this, this is the way you addressed this. So

2065
01:39:52,840 --> 01:39:56,240
Speaker 2: then the next time we did the show, you know,

2066
01:39:56,400 --> 01:39:58,880
Speaker 2: I started with that like, well, look, we didn't know

2067
01:39:59,439 --> 01:40:02,120
Speaker 2: people are ny through us. I learned the same way.

2068
01:40:02,160 --> 01:40:04,720
Speaker 2: I listen to a lot of podcasts. Now. It's the thing,

2069
01:40:04,760 --> 01:40:08,080
Speaker 2: I know, So I think you have to take in

2070
01:40:08,160 --> 01:40:10,040
Speaker 2: that feedback unless you're just like a dick.

2071
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Speaker 16: But do you have to make subsequent content? I think

2072
01:40:13,800 --> 01:40:15,439
Speaker 16: that's kind of like at NPR, you know, we we

2073
01:40:16,000 --> 01:40:18,479
Speaker 16: pushed the content out on the airwaves. But podcasting is

2074
01:40:18,520 --> 01:40:20,519
Speaker 16: opening up it opening it up to be truly a

2075
01:40:20,560 --> 01:40:23,360
Speaker 16: two way street in communication and actually then making stuff

2076
01:40:23,360 --> 01:40:23,840
Speaker 16: out of it.

2077
01:40:23,920 --> 01:40:26,640
Speaker 2: Every week we have a feedback show. I don't know

2078
01:40:26,680 --> 01:40:29,320
Speaker 2: that other shows did that before us because we've been

2079
01:40:29,320 --> 01:40:31,920
Speaker 2: doing it so long. Not really, I'm not. They didn't

2080
01:40:31,920 --> 01:40:34,519
Speaker 2: shark us, so I'm not saying they did anything. But like,

2081
01:40:34,640 --> 01:40:37,519
Speaker 2: we started doing a feedback show so long ago because

2082
01:40:37,520 --> 01:40:39,320
Speaker 2: we used to get feedback and it would build up

2083
01:40:39,320 --> 01:40:40,760
Speaker 2: and a build up, and it's like we should just

2084
01:40:40,760 --> 01:40:43,000
Speaker 2: make it a show. So now every week we take

2085
01:40:43,120 --> 01:40:45,680
Speaker 2: one episode a week and we just addressed with the

2086
01:40:45,720 --> 01:40:49,760
Speaker 2: audience felt. So sometimes you learn sometimes you know, some

2087
01:40:50,000 --> 01:40:51,559
Speaker 2: you take it out with a grain of salt, but

2088
01:40:51,600 --> 01:40:54,360
Speaker 2: sometimes you end up learning something that you never would have.

2089
01:40:54,520 --> 01:40:56,080
Speaker 2: So on the right end of like, well this is

2090
01:40:56,080 --> 01:40:59,280
Speaker 2: my experience with this topic that you talked about. Maybe

2091
01:40:59,280 --> 01:41:02,320
Speaker 2: you're maybe affirmed them with what you said, or maybe

2092
01:41:02,320 --> 01:41:04,719
Speaker 2: you kind of contradicted what they said, and maybe they're

2093
01:41:04,840 --> 01:41:08,040
Speaker 2: educating you. So you have to have that humility to

2094
01:41:08,080 --> 01:41:09,800
Speaker 2: be able to absorb it.

2095
01:41:10,120 --> 01:41:15,000
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, I think for me, like right, just say,

2096
01:41:15,400 --> 01:41:17,439
Speaker 7: our audience is so vast that we have a lot

2097
01:41:17,439 --> 01:41:18,919
Speaker 7: of people that are highly educated.

2098
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Speaker 3: So particularly if.

2099
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Speaker 7: We start talking about things that are with this, with

2100
01:41:27,160 --> 01:41:29,920
Speaker 7: lawyering and lawyers, you have lawyers that will write us

2101
01:41:29,920 --> 01:41:32,320
Speaker 7: and hey, I'm a lawyer, and then this and this,

2102
01:41:32,439 --> 01:41:34,519
Speaker 7: because I know it might sound silly, but I had

2103
01:41:34,520 --> 01:41:36,880
Speaker 7: a dumb question. When it was a dumb question, they

2104
01:41:37,000 --> 01:41:39,880
Speaker 7: was talking about these offenses and they had all these letters.

2105
01:41:39,520 --> 01:41:42,360
Speaker 3: You offended abced. I was like, what does these letters mean?

2106
01:41:42,400 --> 01:41:43,680
Speaker 3: These letters mean nothing to me.

2107
01:41:44,240 --> 01:41:46,160
Speaker 7: So a lawyer wrote in and actually say hey, if

2108
01:41:46,200 --> 01:41:48,000
Speaker 7: you do this, this is what this means. It kind

2109
01:41:48,000 --> 01:41:50,599
Speaker 7: of broke it down so that when these topics come

2110
01:41:50,680 --> 01:41:53,120
Speaker 7: up again, I am better educated in these things. Same

2111
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Speaker 7: things with academic will broke some of these topics and

2112
01:41:57,120 --> 01:41:59,360
Speaker 7: we might not know that there might be a word

2113
01:41:59,439 --> 01:42:02,120
Speaker 7: for that the academic world that we're not aware of,

2114
01:42:02,240 --> 01:42:04,840
Speaker 7: and they'll be like, well, next time, this is a

2115
01:42:04,840 --> 01:42:07,600
Speaker 7: particular thing you're talking about based off of what you described.

2116
01:42:08,160 --> 01:42:10,240
Speaker 3: And same thing with LGBTQ.

2117
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Speaker 7: We have people that are specialized that and they fight

2118
01:42:13,320 --> 01:42:15,320
Speaker 7: for the right. So they're right in and says hey,

2119
01:42:15,680 --> 01:42:18,000
Speaker 7: maybe you didn't use this term right, or here's a

2120
01:42:18,040 --> 01:42:18,799
Speaker 7: new term.

2121
01:42:18,600 --> 01:42:21,599
Speaker 3: That's used or that's considered offensive. Now this is what

2122
01:42:21,640 --> 01:42:24,200
Speaker 3: you use instead, you know, And so a.

2123
01:42:24,160 --> 01:42:27,360
Speaker 7: Lot of it is about learning to be open to

2124
01:42:27,479 --> 01:42:30,519
Speaker 7: criticism and it's not really criticism, but I just it's

2125
01:42:30,560 --> 01:42:33,479
Speaker 7: a difference between you critiquing from a good place and

2126
01:42:33,520 --> 01:42:37,360
Speaker 7: you just being mean, and people that actually want to

2127
01:42:37,400 --> 01:42:41,040
Speaker 7: see you grow. Their critique will enhance your experience. You

2128
01:42:41,080 --> 01:42:43,479
Speaker 7: can build upon it, you can add bricks to it

2129
01:42:43,520 --> 01:42:46,720
Speaker 7: and make your foundation sturdier. People that are critiquing to

2130
01:42:46,760 --> 01:42:48,160
Speaker 7: be mean, that's a whole other group. A lot of

2131
01:42:48,160 --> 01:42:50,280
Speaker 7: times I just ignore that group because you're just being mean.

2132
01:42:51,240 --> 01:42:52,720
Speaker 15: I want to jump in real quick. We have like

2133
01:42:52,840 --> 01:42:53,680
Speaker 15: ten minutes.

2134
01:42:53,439 --> 01:42:55,280
Speaker 16: Left, so if you have a question that you've been

2135
01:42:55,280 --> 01:42:57,040
Speaker 16: thinking about, we're gonna get to you in just a sec.

2136
01:42:57,160 --> 01:42:58,040
Speaker 16: But be thinking about it.

2137
01:42:57,960 --> 01:42:59,200
Speaker 15: And stay tuned.

2138
01:42:59,240 --> 01:42:59,559
Speaker 10: Here you go.

2139
01:43:00,720 --> 01:43:05,519
Speaker 11: Well, you know, this is what terrifies me. Using the

2140
01:43:05,560 --> 01:43:08,280
Speaker 11: wrong phrase or the wrong term. You do the best

2141
01:43:08,360 --> 01:43:14,360
Speaker 11: you can, but you can't you're going to fail sometimes.

2142
01:43:14,479 --> 01:43:17,639
Speaker 11: What we do in episodes that are dealing with matters.

2143
01:43:18,640 --> 01:43:21,920
Speaker 11: We did an episode about a trans woman. We wanted

2144
01:43:21,960 --> 01:43:24,320
Speaker 11: to make sure we were getting everything right. So we'll

2145
01:43:24,360 --> 01:43:30,000
Speaker 11: call the transcenter of you know, the US, and we'll say, hey,

2146
01:43:30,000 --> 01:43:31,920
Speaker 11: can we run with the spy. We did an episode

2147
01:43:31,960 --> 01:43:36,200
Speaker 11: about a a man have been charge being a pedophile,

2148
01:43:36,560 --> 01:43:38,519
Speaker 11: and we were very aware of using the wanted to

2149
01:43:38,520 --> 01:43:40,960
Speaker 11: be very clear about using the right terms in terms

2150
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Speaker 11: of child sexual abuse. We ran it through, We said,

2151
01:43:43,880 --> 01:43:45,920
Speaker 11: would you look at our script? We call these advocacy

2152
01:43:45,960 --> 01:43:47,719
Speaker 11: groups and we'll show them our scripts and just say

2153
01:43:48,040 --> 01:43:50,679
Speaker 11: is there orether red flags or are we getting it right?

2154
01:43:51,280 --> 01:43:53,799
Speaker 11: That helps me, You know, that's just so nice because

2155
01:43:54,040 --> 01:43:55,920
Speaker 11: then you've got someone else who can keep their eyes

2156
01:43:55,920 --> 01:43:56,120
Speaker 11: on it.

2157
01:43:56,160 --> 01:43:57,680
Speaker 18: So you're gonna have blinders.

2158
01:43:57,680 --> 01:44:00,240
Speaker 11: Everyone up here does in their own way, but there's

2159
01:44:00,240 --> 01:44:03,240
Speaker 11: someone else who can kind of say, here your blinders, Phoebe,

2160
01:44:03,280 --> 01:44:05,080
Speaker 11: let me show you what you were not seeing.

2161
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Speaker 18: And that's the way that we've.

2162
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Speaker 11: Kind of addressed some of these hard topics is by

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Speaker 11: letting someone else who's an expert in this look at

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Speaker 11: the script and just make sure that our language at

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Speaker 11: least is correct.

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Speaker 9: Yeah.

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Speaker 8: I kind of want to speak to this question more

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Speaker 8: as just like a female person of color and like

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Speaker 8: a field where that is still you know, not close

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Speaker 8: to like it's still very much the minority. And I

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Speaker 8: think it's like Karen was saying, like you have to

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Speaker 8: know the difference between taking criticism and just people throwing

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Speaker 8: feedback at you, because maybe you're only one of many

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Speaker 8: and they see themselves reflected in you and they want

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Speaker 8: you to address all their issues and you're only one person,

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Speaker 8: so you can't. So you kind of have to make

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Speaker 8: peace with not being able to please everyone, and not

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Speaker 8: being able to take on every issue that people want represented,

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Speaker 8: and sort of being okay with like whatever you're capable

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Speaker 8: of putting forth in your own fallibility and being able

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Speaker 8: to evolve from feedback you get, but also being able

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Speaker 8: to be like, I don't need to read another actually

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Speaker 8: today of what I should have said or how I

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Speaker 8: should have said it better, because it's also like I

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Speaker 8: tweet a lot. I'm pretty political on Twitter, and I

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Speaker 8: don't think sometimes people understand you can't address every nuance

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Speaker 8: in I guess two hundred and eighty characters now. But

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Speaker 8: you're like, you know, if I had a book, I

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Speaker 8: would I definitely you have a chapter for what you're

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Speaker 8: saying right now, but I don't. So I think it

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Speaker 8: is making peace with the difference between taking in feedback

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Speaker 8: and also allowing yourself to be a person who is

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Speaker 8: going to mess up sometimes.

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Speaker 19: Yeah, we also give a lot of thoughts to who's

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Speaker 19: giving us the feedback. It's I don't know if you

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Speaker 19: guys can tell us about me. I'm a white lady,

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Speaker 19: and when we talk about social justice stuff, white ladies,

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Speaker 19: we really like to be preachy about how social justice

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Speaker 19: is being done wrong. And it's so annoying, and so

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Speaker 19: I will look up, like somebody will say, you talked

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Speaker 19: about what, Like we get a basically when it comes

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Speaker 19: to social justice warrior stuff. I've stopped listening to people

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Speaker 19: who look like me. I'm like, I know, I'm inside

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01:46:22,680 --> 01:46:28,280
Speaker 19: our heads were we should shut up, so that that

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01:46:28,400 --> 01:46:32,280
Speaker 19: is an echo chamber that we that to some extent,

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Speaker 19: I've stopped listening to. But then I think what we

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Speaker 19: listened to are trends. So we did an episode on forgiveness,

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Speaker 19: and we got more voice messages on forgiveness than we

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Speaker 19: had ever gotten on a single topic. And so we

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Speaker 19: did a whole episode addressing voice messages on forgiveness, and

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Speaker 19: we brought in a minister who's an expert on you know,

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Speaker 19: atonement theology, and like had her talked about forgiveness with us.

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Speaker 10: So it's sometimes.

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Speaker 19: We're like sometimes it's I'm gonna gets just similar to

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Speaker 19: what everybody's saying. Sometimes you have to shut it down

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Speaker 19: and be like, I know this is very well intended,

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01:47:04,400 --> 01:47:07,880
Speaker 19: and like I can get stuck in this rhetoric of liberal,

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Speaker 19: feeling good conversation forever. And then other times you're like,

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01:47:10,800 --> 01:47:13,880
Speaker 19: oh my gosh, forgiveness is something that our culture is

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Speaker 19: not talking about nearly enough.

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Speaker 10: Let's create a whole special episode to just address that.

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Speaker 19: So I think it goes both ways, and I no

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Speaker 19: longer respond with anything other than thank you to your

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01:47:24,640 --> 01:47:27,439
Speaker 19: feedback to snape hate mail, I call it snap mail,

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Speaker 19: and I just we're gonna have to agree to disagree.

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Speaker 16: I'm excited to take questions. We don't have microphones, so

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Speaker 16: if you have a question, could you just stand up

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Speaker 16: and make sure we'll repeat it so that everyone can.

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Speaker 15: Hear, but try to speak loudly so we can hear you.

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Speaker 16: Let's start right here.

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Speaker 15: Wow, So just to repeat the question.

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Speaker 16: If I got it right, it's how to protect your listeners.

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Speaker 16: It's a military's a military psychologist and dealing with tough

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Speaker 16: topics that military folks experience.

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Speaker 10: Right, I get that right.

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Speaker 15: So how do we protect how do we protect our listeners. Gosh,

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Speaker 15: that's a tough one.

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Speaker 10: You want to say that, Yeah, I mean.

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Speaker 8: I actually will talk about a podcast that I was

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Speaker 8: a guest on Club the Mental Illness Happy Hour, and

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Speaker 8: I feel like it's the host is Paul gil Martin,

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01:48:48,160 --> 01:48:51,040
Speaker 8: and he does interviews with various artists and all kinds

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Speaker 8: of people about their own experiences with mental health. And

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Speaker 8: I feel like he's good about providing resources and like

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Speaker 8: further information people can get and just like sort of

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Speaker 8: giving a cushion around like if that episode might be

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Speaker 8: triggering or you know, he'll like sort of do a

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Speaker 8: trigger warning before certain types of content, So kind of

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Speaker 8: just giving your listener that sort of support around what

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Speaker 8: they might be about to listen to or how they

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Speaker 8: might be feeling after the episode, and giving them like

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Speaker 8: maybe additional resources or a place they can turn so

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Speaker 8: they're not sort of just left on their own with

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Speaker 8: whatever they just heard.

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Speaker 16: I would add for Terrestrial, we have a Facebook group

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Speaker 16: that's different than a page, So that means that the

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Speaker 16: people that are there, as everybody in the room knows,

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Speaker 16: but they've chosen to be there, and that's a different

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01:49:39,439 --> 01:49:41,320
Speaker 16: kind of thing than just pushing your content out into

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Speaker 16: the world, and that means that, for example, if you

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Speaker 16: did an episode about suicide, you could have suicide.

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Speaker 15: Prevention hotlines, further.

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Speaker 16: Resources that are there for people in a not private

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Speaker 16: but a more protected space, just an idea. We get

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Speaker 16: a lot of content ideas too, and we also find

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Speaker 16: guests for subsequent episodes through people who are sharing their

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Speaker 16: feedback to us in the Facebook group and you guts

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Speaker 16: to check it out.

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Speaker 15: It's great spot.

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Speaker 19: We also we email resources. It's really dangerous over email.

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Speaker 19: I think to start assuming that you know someone or

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Speaker 19: understand someone, and we it's we recommend these resources depending

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Speaker 19: on what you can afford. Like please, if you have healthcare,

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Speaker 19: please look out, you know, try to get a mental

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Speaker 19: health professional in your life. Here's the number for crisis

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Speaker 19: text line, here's and we sort of have a list

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Speaker 19: of resources that we email back with.

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Speaker 2: The only thing I would add is just like you

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Speaker 2: don't want to fall into like a savior complex, because

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Speaker 2: sometimes we'll get emails and I'm like, oh no, no, no, no,

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Speaker 2: no no, this shit is way bigger than me. I

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Speaker 2: don't know how to fix this. I'm just a guy talking.

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Speaker 2: And so you know, one of the reasons you do

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Speaker 2: want to provide resources or somewhere else for him to go,

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Speaker 2: because people have already thought of that shit. So you

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Speaker 2: don't want to just be kind of like freestyling with

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Speaker 2: someone's life, you know.

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Speaker 16: Yeah, next question, Yeah, how about So she asked, how

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Speaker 16: to become the voice for a community that you may

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Speaker 16: not be fully representative of?

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Speaker 15: Is that kind of or.

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Speaker 16: Or who have had much harder experiences than you have.

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Speaker 16: She wants to do a show about folks who have

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Speaker 16: dropped out of high school.

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Speaker 2: Nobody's fully representative of any group, right, So people may

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Speaker 2: view you as that, but that's kind of on them, right.

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Speaker 2: The only other thing I would add is lean on

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Speaker 2: your community, like lean on other people's experiences. Let if

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Speaker 2: you can't get if you can't see it, if you

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Speaker 2: can't see like the full experience, invite somebody on this

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Speaker 2: lived a different experience in that same thing. Because the

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Speaker 2: umbrella you're trying to create is one that will bring

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Speaker 2: a lot of people together, like high school drop out.

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Speaker 2: There's I mean gender based issues where people drop out.

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Speaker 2: You know, you get pregnant or something, you get bullied

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Speaker 2: for being like LGBTQ. Of course, systemic racism, all these

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Speaker 2: things can still be covered within under the aspecies of

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Speaker 2: the podcast you create, but you just have to be

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Speaker 2: aware that it doesn't have to be from totally your perspective.

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Speaker 15: I would say, also, it's about transparency.

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Speaker 16: For me, I get a lot of I think people

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Speaker 16: think that because I host an environment podcast that I

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Speaker 16: am like this perfect environmentalist, and that is in no

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Speaker 16: ways true. Like I'm here drinking out of a coffee

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Speaker 16: mug that I'm gonna throw away after this, right, Like,

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Speaker 16: just so being just fully open about the fact that

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Speaker 16: I do a show about living within a system that

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Speaker 16: is flawed and trying to navigate that with my listeners as.

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Speaker 15: Like, I am not holier than now, I'm just as.

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Speaker 16: Lost as you are, but let's try to figure this

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Speaker 16: out together. I think it resonates with my listeners and

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Speaker 16: it might be really helpful to yours.

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Speaker 19: I know, Harry Potter way worse than most of our listeners.

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Speaker 19: So embarrassing this week we got schooled on something that's

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Speaker 19: not your question, but that's just my confession.

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Speaker 16: All right, we've got time for one more question. We're

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Speaker 16: gonna go right over here. Sorry he's been waiting. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 16: So the question is how hard do we work on

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Speaker 16: show notes and those resources for listeners after the fact.

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Speaker 15: How important are they?

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Speaker 10: Do you guys have thoughts.

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Speaker 2: I do all the show notes for us, so I

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Speaker 2: do try to put stuff in there, like if we

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Speaker 2: talked about something and we need a link of stuff.

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Speaker 2: But for the most part, as a listener, that is

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Speaker 2: not that important because for the for the most part,

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Speaker 2: like people are coming to listen to the conversation that

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Speaker 2: you had or this thing you constructed. Oh, I should

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Speaker 2: say it's not important in our format. I don't know

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Speaker 2: other formats, but you know, if they see you talked

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Speaker 2: about Serena Williams one a tournament or something, they don't

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Speaker 2: need like the minute mark or whatever like this ain't

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Speaker 2: TV man, don't skip to that shit like let it ride,

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Speaker 2: you know, get to the get to the conversation naturally

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Speaker 2: or whatever. So and then as far as like tough topics,

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Speaker 2: I think it's important to make sure if you talked

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Speaker 2: about something that you know was really important and it

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Speaker 2: might you know, trigger some folks or whatever, I would

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Speaker 2: definitely put that we talked about that topic in there.

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Speaker 2: But I don't necessarily stop the show and be like, no, listen.

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Speaker 2: This next segment is about to be crazy. Don't even

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Speaker 2: listen to that. Like, I'll just put in there like

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Speaker 2: we talked about me too, y you know what that

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Speaker 2: entails right there, so you know, I wouldn't be too

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Speaker 2: anhal attentive about those show notes, but just get that

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Speaker 2: general just out there, because if not, you're just working

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Speaker 2: real hard for something that most people don't care about.

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Speaker 11: We spend the literally almost no time on show notes.

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Speaker 11: I mean, that's the honest truth. It's the it's the

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Speaker 11: thing that we think about spend the least amount of

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Speaker 11: time on. I think probably for the same reasons. But

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Speaker 11: if there's a I live a link, if there's a

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Speaker 11: picture that we have of someone, a link to their book,

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Speaker 11: and that's about.

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Speaker 10: It, This makes me feel so much better. I'm in

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Speaker 10: charge of our show notes. Don't go to that part

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Speaker 10: of our website. Good other pro.

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Speaker 16: All right, I think that concludes an awesome panel. Thank

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Speaker 16: you guys so much. Check out these shows and write

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Speaker 16: them on iTunes. That helps us keep doing what we do.

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Speaker 16: Thanks for coming.

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Speaker 22: Hi everyone, Yeah, so do you love communities?

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Speaker 10: Is that while you're here?

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Speaker 13: Great?

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Speaker 22: So glad to hear it. We all do as well.

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Speaker 22: I am Marianna Netleman. I've produced a show called Harry

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Speaker 22: Potter and the Sacred Text, and I will be moderating

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Speaker 22: this panel. Can everyone just go down and say your

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Speaker 22: name and what show you make, and like what you

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Speaker 22: think The ideal relationship between a podcast and the community is, yeah.

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Speaker 9: Just real briefly, you know, a real softball.

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Speaker 2: Are we starting down here over there? My name is

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Speaker 2: Rod I do the Black Aotels podcast. My wife Karen,

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Thank you, and for community for us, especially

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Speaker 2: as black people people of color, it's about super serving

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01:56:33,200 --> 01:56:37,160
Speaker 2: our community that kind of gets neglected sometimes by other

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Speaker 2: shows and other genres. So we've created like our own

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01:56:43,240 --> 01:56:47,800
Speaker 2: kind of informal community via social media. So when we

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Speaker 2: live tweet things, we use different hashtags. When we start

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Speaker 2: our Facebook group, we have like kind of different rules.

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Speaker 2: You know, some a lot of spaces are very antiseptic,

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Speaker 2: but ours might might be a little cursing in. There

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Speaker 2: might be a little you know, we can say it,

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Speaker 2: y'all can't say type things. I think y'all know what

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Speaker 2: I'm talking about. So it's so community for us is

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01:57:13,680 --> 01:57:17,839
Speaker 2: definitely about like being involved in sharing our whole selves

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01:57:18,680 --> 01:57:21,560
Speaker 2: and at the same time, once it got once it

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Speaker 2: gets too big. Learning to take a step back and

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Speaker 2: not be a control for you can let the fans

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Speaker 2: kind of take over.

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Speaker 7: Okay, my name is Karen, half of the Black at

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01:57:31,880 --> 01:57:36,760
Speaker 7: Hotels podcasts. And to me, when I think about community,

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01:57:36,800 --> 01:57:40,600
Speaker 7: I think about wholeness. That what I've learned about through

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01:57:40,640 --> 01:57:44,040
Speaker 7: podcasting is that through the community, the community makes you

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01:57:44,120 --> 01:57:46,520
Speaker 7: hold and you make the community whole. And I think

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01:57:46,560 --> 01:57:49,120
Speaker 7: sometimes people have a tendency to forget just because you're

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01:57:49,160 --> 01:57:52,160
Speaker 7: speaking does not mean you aren't a part of the community.

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01:57:52,640 --> 01:57:55,200
Speaker 7: And we represent a lot of different groups and we

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Speaker 7: speak on behalf of a lot.

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Speaker 3: Of different groups.

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Speaker 7: And also what I've learned about community but willing to

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01:57:59,840 --> 01:58:02,200
Speaker 7: learn because there are groups that we speak about that

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01:58:02,280 --> 01:58:04,640
Speaker 7: we don't know, and we are willing to admit that

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01:58:04,720 --> 01:58:07,400
Speaker 7: we don't know. And it's okay not to know everything

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01:58:07,480 --> 01:58:10,720
Speaker 7: because I know, Google is your friend, but you're not Google,

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01:58:10,800 --> 01:58:13,560
Speaker 7: so you don't have all the Google's knowledge. So I've

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01:58:13,640 --> 01:58:17,240
Speaker 7: realized that that's what community means to me, learning and

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01:58:17,360 --> 01:58:21,760
Speaker 7: growing and understanding. There's such thing as intercept being having

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01:58:21,760 --> 01:58:22,480
Speaker 7: an intersect.

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Speaker 3: You know, as far as I'm.

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Speaker 7: A black and I'm a woman, I can talk about

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01:58:25,800 --> 01:58:27,440
Speaker 7: being black, and I can talk about being a woman.

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Speaker 7: I can talk about being both, you know, and so

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Speaker 7: understanding that other people have those things too in their

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Speaker 7: lives and embracing people for who they are.

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Speaker 2: Nice.

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Speaker 23: I'm Hank.

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Speaker 24: I have a video block with my brother that has

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Speaker 24: done for a long time eleven years and a podcast

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01:58:43,040 --> 01:58:45,120
Speaker 24: with my brother that I think is about two years

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01:58:45,120 --> 01:58:49,680
Speaker 24: old where we answer questions poorly. I don't know where

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01:58:49,680 --> 01:58:52,240
Speaker 24: we got that idea from CD advice.

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Speaker 9: This is the first time hearing about this.

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Speaker 24: And ever since the beginning of like our video project,

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01:59:01,680 --> 01:59:03,720
Speaker 24: it has always seemed like the interesting thing was not

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01:59:03,760 --> 01:59:05,600
Speaker 24: what you can do, but what you can do with

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01:59:05,680 --> 01:59:10,080
Speaker 24: the people, because like making media and having people consume

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01:59:10,120 --> 01:59:12,920
Speaker 24: it has been how it's worked for the last hundred years.

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01:59:13,360 --> 01:59:15,640
Speaker 24: And if there, if it can suddenly be somethings coming

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01:59:15,680 --> 01:59:17,520
Speaker 24: back at you in the way that you know stage

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01:59:17,560 --> 01:59:21,320
Speaker 24: does and that you know, more live performancey stuff has

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01:59:21,360 --> 01:59:25,480
Speaker 24: been able to do. That is so much like if

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Speaker 24: that is an interesting thing that we hadn't had in

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Speaker 24: mass media for a long time. And uh and so

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01:59:31,560 --> 01:59:35,280
Speaker 24: watching you know, originally like Zay Frank do that before

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01:59:35,320 --> 01:59:37,160
Speaker 24: we were making stuff and thinking about how we were

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01:59:37,160 --> 01:59:41,240
Speaker 24: going to incorporate those things really sort of like drove

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01:59:41,280 --> 01:59:44,200
Speaker 24: home from the beginning that this wasn't an audience, Like,

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01:59:44,200 --> 01:59:45,920
Speaker 24: don't think about this as like your fans. Don't think

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01:59:45,960 --> 01:59:48,000
Speaker 24: about this as your audience. Think about it as like

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01:59:48,400 --> 01:59:52,200
Speaker 24: you are in a community with them, and how to

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01:59:52,560 --> 01:59:59,560
Speaker 24: like just like having that mindset informs all of the decisions. U.

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Speaker 21: I am Travis McLeroy. I let's see what allse shows do.

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02:00:04,840 --> 02:00:08,880
Speaker 21: I do, My brother, my brother, me, the Adventure Zone, Schmanners,

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02:00:08,920 --> 02:00:12,280
Speaker 21: trends like these, the Kinery Wine Run, a doctor who

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02:00:12,320 --> 02:00:16,440
Speaker 21: fancast uh till Death, Ulus Blarts, the mac White Brothers

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Speaker 21: will be controls too.

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Speaker 9: I think that's it. Yeah, sure, that's enough, you know

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Speaker 9: for me. Community is.

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Speaker 21: One of my favorite things about doing podcasting in the

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02:00:31,920 --> 02:00:34,360
Speaker 21: time we're doing it now. Is when we started My brother,

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Speaker 21: my brother me nine years ago, social media wasn't where

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Speaker 21: it is now, and.

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Speaker 9: So is it nine years ago, eight whatever. A while ago.

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Speaker 21: Social media wasn't where it is now, and it's it's

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Speaker 21: such a two way street now that I think I

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02:00:54,000 --> 02:00:57,080
Speaker 21: get more from the people who listen to my shows

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Speaker 21: than they will ever get from me, because like I

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Speaker 21: just really like everybody who listens to my show. No,

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Speaker 21: it's just like so, for example, last night we did

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Speaker 21: Adventures and in Tacoma and we held the show.

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Speaker 9: Think you. We held the show because there's really bad traffic.

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Speaker 21: And when we announced that to the people who were

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Speaker 21: there that they were gonna have to wait for the

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Speaker 21: show to start it because we were waiting for people

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Speaker 21: in traffic, they cheered because we were waiting for people,

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Speaker 21: and they were just excited that we were waiting for

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Speaker 21: people and they wouldn't feel left out. And I was

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Speaker 21: just like like, literally all this vextage went and really

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Speaker 21: nice and like you do what you do, and no,

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Speaker 21: you don't create in a vacuum. And I think that

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02:01:40,600 --> 02:01:45,040
Speaker 21: when people forget that, it's really easy to lose touch

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Speaker 21: with your community and forget why you're doing it. And

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Speaker 21: also the other side of it is community isn't just

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Speaker 21: the people you make the show for. It's people who

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Speaker 21: make the show with and other people who are making shows.

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Speaker 21: And I have made some like really really wonderful friends

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Speaker 21: through other creators and seeing a lot of good done

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Speaker 21: in the world from other creators, which then inspires me

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02:02:06,960 --> 02:02:08,760
Speaker 21: to try to do more good. And that kind of

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02:02:08,760 --> 02:02:14,200
Speaker 21: thing and especially now when there's so much shit going

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02:02:14,240 --> 02:02:16,880
Speaker 21: on in the world, like all the time, everywhere, twenty

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02:02:16,920 --> 02:02:21,560
Speaker 21: four to seven, all the time seeing like interesting, fun,

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02:02:22,640 --> 02:02:26,160
Speaker 21: you know, weird like me, people trying to do good

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02:02:26,200 --> 02:02:29,760
Speaker 21: when and where they can. Is is it feels like

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Speaker 21: being part of a really like polite and nice revolution.

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02:02:33,400 --> 02:02:37,080
Speaker 21: That's like we're going to stay positive and that's really nice.

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Speaker 9: I'm Drew.

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Speaker 12: I make a Sleep with Me podcast. It's like a

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02:02:43,360 --> 02:02:47,360
Speaker 12: bedtime story podcast for grown ups. Mostly, I don't know,

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Speaker 12: Like for me, community has really taught me to kind

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02:02:51,800 --> 02:02:55,120
Speaker 12: of both build trust and to start trusting other people

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02:02:55,160 --> 02:02:57,400
Speaker 12: a lot more than I would have if I didn't

2504
02:02:57,400 --> 02:03:00,160
Speaker 12: start making this podcast, And through that, I've learned a

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02:03:00,160 --> 02:03:03,760
Speaker 12: lot about like shared vulnerability and how that really enables

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02:03:03,800 --> 02:03:07,160
Speaker 12: community and also like the idea of dignity and respect

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02:03:07,360 --> 02:03:10,480
Speaker 12: and kind of like that being a countercultural move of

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Speaker 12: like hey, let's be nice to one another and let's

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02:03:13,800 --> 02:03:17,120
Speaker 12: put that foot forward and the vulnerability around that. And

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02:03:18,000 --> 02:03:20,200
Speaker 12: if I never made the podcast and I didn't open

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02:03:20,200 --> 02:03:23,640
Speaker 12: myself up to that, I don't know. I'm really grateful

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02:03:23,640 --> 02:03:23,840
Speaker 12: for that.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I'm just daying. Feeling a lot of love up here.

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Speaker 17: Yeah, like I wanted to applaud, but that might be weird.

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02:03:35,760 --> 02:03:39,160
Speaker 17: I'm Julian, I'm the janitor at the Eiffel Tower, and

2516
02:03:39,240 --> 02:03:43,520
Speaker 17: I ruined the orbiting human circus of the air. And

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02:03:45,000 --> 02:03:49,720
Speaker 17: I think, you know, when you love something, you understand

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02:03:49,720 --> 02:03:55,160
Speaker 17: it deeply, and groups of people who love something understand

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02:03:55,200 --> 02:03:58,000
Speaker 17: something in common. And I've seen it happen with groups

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Speaker 17: of people who make things and also people who love things,

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02:04:02,080 --> 02:04:04,280
Speaker 17: and often they change places. You know, my groups of

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02:04:04,320 --> 02:04:06,760
Speaker 17: friends who loved things, we all ended up making things.

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Speaker 17: And then there's new groups of people who love things,

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Speaker 17: and you know, there's something very adventurous about that relationship.

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02:04:13,280 --> 02:04:15,680
Speaker 17: You want to change the world, and you often do.

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02:04:16,280 --> 02:04:20,960
Speaker 17: And now there's no barrier. I think with podcasts, you know,

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02:04:21,040 --> 02:04:23,640
Speaker 17: the audience is ready to really go somewhere and make

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Speaker 17: something happen, and the creators are and you don't have

2529
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Speaker 17: magazines or all this awful stuff in the middle, and

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Speaker 17: it's a it's a really beautiful moment.

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Speaker 18: I think, beautiful, thank you.

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Speaker 22: I want to pick up on something that Hank said.

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Speaker 10: You said that we think.

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Speaker 22: About it not as an audience but as a community,

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02:04:43,240 --> 02:04:45,680
Speaker 22: and just like in an effort to define our terms

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02:04:45,680 --> 02:04:49,080
Speaker 22: because we're talking about community. I think it's really important

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02:04:49,120 --> 02:04:52,800
Speaker 22: to be careful about how we use that word. Something

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02:04:53,040 --> 02:04:56,600
Speaker 22: that my hosts often talk about is that, like they're

2539
02:04:56,680 --> 02:05:00,240
Speaker 22: very conscious of the fact that when you're in a community,

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02:05:00,520 --> 02:05:02,920
Speaker 22: what we think about it a lot like religious communities,

2541
02:05:02,960 --> 02:05:04,840
Speaker 22: because we're like thinking about religion. But they're like when

2542
02:05:04,880 --> 02:05:07,920
Speaker 22: you're in a church setting, people in your church go

2543
02:05:07,960 --> 02:05:09,240
Speaker 22: to the hospital when you're sick.

2544
02:05:09,440 --> 02:05:10,720
Speaker 10: You know, they can take care of you.

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02:05:11,480 --> 02:05:13,760
Speaker 22: And there's a way in which, like we fear that

2546
02:05:13,800 --> 02:05:16,040
Speaker 22: our audience members, you know, they're so siloed in their

2547
02:05:16,040 --> 02:05:19,000
Speaker 22: headphones that they can't take care of one another. And

2548
02:05:19,040 --> 02:05:21,520
Speaker 22: so I guess I'm wondering what people think about the

2549
02:05:21,560 --> 02:05:24,879
Speaker 22: difference between between a community and an audience, or a fandom,

2550
02:05:25,560 --> 02:05:28,720
Speaker 22: or or a revolutionally, you know, a revolution movement. Like

2551
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Speaker 22: I think that there are differences between those things, and like,

2552
02:05:31,600 --> 02:05:34,280
Speaker 22: how how do we think about that when we're making content?

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02:05:34,960 --> 02:05:38,040
Speaker 21: Uh So you said, like the difference between an audience

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02:05:38,080 --> 02:05:41,000
Speaker 21: and a fandom and a community, And I think, for me,

2555
02:05:41,080 --> 02:05:44,560
Speaker 21: the way I look at it is a community includes everyone.

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02:05:44,760 --> 02:05:46,480
Speaker 21: Like if you think about your community, it's not just

2557
02:05:46,600 --> 02:05:50,400
Speaker 21: like your friends, it's not your direct neighbors. It's everybody

2558
02:05:50,400 --> 02:05:53,320
Speaker 21: that's kind of encompassed by it, so that like includes

2559
02:05:53,360 --> 02:05:55,480
Speaker 21: people that may not like the thing you do, or

2560
02:05:55,520 --> 02:05:57,480
Speaker 21: people that may disagree with you, or people that have

2561
02:05:57,560 --> 02:06:00,480
Speaker 21: a different outlook than you, so like them. To me

2562
02:06:00,560 --> 02:06:03,520
Speaker 21: is like those people are bought in. Those people love

2563
02:06:03,560 --> 02:06:07,520
Speaker 21: the thing, and those people like in some way in part,

2564
02:06:07,640 --> 02:06:09,680
Speaker 21: defining themselves by their love of the thing.

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02:06:10,040 --> 02:06:10,920
Speaker 9: Whereas I think.

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02:06:10,760 --> 02:06:14,920
Speaker 21: A community is much more like everybody I meet and

2567
02:06:15,000 --> 02:06:17,680
Speaker 21: everybody that might come in contact with me, good or bad,

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02:06:17,720 --> 02:06:18,760
Speaker 21: is included in the community.

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02:06:20,120 --> 02:06:21,360
Speaker 3: This might be a semantic thing.

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02:06:21,400 --> 02:06:23,440
Speaker 22: But what's the difference between a community in that sense

2571
02:06:23,480 --> 02:06:26,000
Speaker 22: and like a network network?

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02:06:27,320 --> 02:06:29,560
Speaker 21: Well, I mean for me it might be semantic, but

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02:06:29,600 --> 02:06:30,920
Speaker 21: I think about the difference is like when I think

2574
02:06:30,920 --> 02:06:33,040
Speaker 21: about network, I think about like connections, and I think

2575
02:06:33,080 --> 02:06:37,080
Speaker 21: about like if I needed something, friends, business, anything Like

2576
02:06:37,120 --> 02:06:39,920
Speaker 21: a network is something that's like this is my web

2577
02:06:40,000 --> 02:06:40,520
Speaker 21: of people.

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02:06:40,920 --> 02:06:43,960
Speaker 9: That sounds terrible, but these are all the connections.

2579
02:06:44,080 --> 02:06:48,080
Speaker 21: Whereas a community, I mean, I really love what Karen

2580
02:06:48,120 --> 02:06:50,880
Speaker 21: said about a community also being part of like you know,

2581
02:06:50,960 --> 02:06:53,360
Speaker 21: learning things and leaping yourself up into things.

2582
02:06:53,400 --> 02:06:54,640
Speaker 9: Because I think since we.

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02:06:54,600 --> 02:06:56,720
Speaker 21: Started my brother, my brother, me and then the adventure zone.

2584
02:06:57,080 --> 02:07:01,800
Speaker 21: I have learned more about the people by talking about myself,

2585
02:07:02,440 --> 02:07:06,120
Speaker 21: you know, like being able to I think that it's

2586
02:07:06,160 --> 02:07:09,120
Speaker 21: really easy for people to sit down on a microphone

2587
02:07:09,680 --> 02:07:13,360
Speaker 21: and then have their view of the world end right here.

2588
02:07:13,440 --> 02:07:14,680
Speaker 9: Right behind the microphone.

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02:07:15,440 --> 02:07:17,400
Speaker 21: And I think one of the important things to think

2590
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Speaker 21: about when you're thinking about the community versus audience is like,

2591
02:07:21,800 --> 02:07:25,160
Speaker 21: there is a whole world that reaches that this might reach,

2592
02:07:25,440 --> 02:07:28,800
Speaker 21: And if you're just playing to your audience, then you're

2593
02:07:28,840 --> 02:07:31,080
Speaker 21: never going to bring in people from the community into

2594
02:07:31,160 --> 02:07:34,200
Speaker 21: the audience. You're just talking to the people that already

2595
02:07:34,240 --> 02:07:37,200
Speaker 21: agree with you and already like you and like what

2596
02:07:37,240 --> 02:07:39,720
Speaker 21: you have to say, as opposed to opening yourself up

2597
02:07:39,760 --> 02:07:42,240
Speaker 21: to feedback from people in the community that are like, hey,

2598
02:07:42,400 --> 02:07:45,000
Speaker 21: I want to like your thing, but you are being

2599
02:07:45,040 --> 02:07:47,200
Speaker 21: ignorant about this, or like I feel like maybe you're

2600
02:07:47,200 --> 02:07:50,000
Speaker 21: misinformed about this, and if you plug your ears to that,

2601
02:07:50,080 --> 02:07:52,080
Speaker 21: you're just gonna have an audience instead of a community.

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Speaker 21: Would be what I would say.

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Speaker 24: There's something I'm too, So there's this thing like the

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02:07:57,480 --> 02:07:59,280
Speaker 24: way that the world was when I was growing up,

2605
02:07:59,320 --> 02:08:02,520
Speaker 24: where I knew that like RAM or a band, any

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02:08:02,560 --> 02:08:04,160
Speaker 24: band that I liked. I know, I was never gonna

2607
02:08:04,560 --> 02:08:07,560
Speaker 24: like I knew that they like it was the one

2608
02:08:07,600 --> 02:08:10,280
Speaker 24: way thing. And I also kind of knew implicitly. And

2609
02:08:10,280 --> 02:08:12,400
Speaker 24: then as I got older and knew much more, like

2610
02:08:12,440 --> 02:08:15,520
Speaker 24: I understood much more clearly that the like the popular

2611
02:08:15,560 --> 02:08:17,600
Speaker 24: bands in the world had created an image of what

2612
02:08:17,640 --> 02:08:19,920
Speaker 24: they were, and they put that image out there, and

2613
02:08:19,960 --> 02:08:22,680
Speaker 24: then they were very careful to not let any information

2614
02:08:22,800 --> 02:08:24,960
Speaker 24: get out that was going to be counter to that

2615
02:08:25,120 --> 02:08:30,880
Speaker 24: very specific image. And and there is a that is

2616
02:08:30,920 --> 02:08:32,080
Speaker 24: an effective way.

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02:08:31,880 --> 02:08:33,680
Speaker 9: To gain a large audience.

2618
02:08:34,880 --> 02:08:36,720
Speaker 24: But the thing that I just wrote down as you

2619
02:08:36,720 --> 02:08:39,800
Speaker 24: were talking was like, if you are if your goal

2620
02:08:39,880 --> 02:08:42,440
Speaker 24: is to have the biggest possible audience, then there are

2621
02:08:42,440 --> 02:08:45,400
Speaker 24: a lot of things that you don't think about and

2622
02:08:45,400 --> 02:08:48,040
Speaker 24: and kind of discard is like, well, yeah, that's important,

2623
02:08:48,040 --> 02:08:50,520
Speaker 24: but like, you know, we have this goal. Whereas if

2624
02:08:50,520 --> 02:08:52,400
Speaker 24: you're thinking about it in terms of how do I

2625
02:08:52,440 --> 02:08:54,480
Speaker 24: have the best community, you have to think about like

2626
02:08:54,560 --> 02:08:57,880
Speaker 24: how am I like? How am I making people feel?

2627
02:08:57,920 --> 02:08:58,000
Speaker 16: Like?

2628
02:08:58,040 --> 02:09:00,240
Speaker 24: Am I like sort of excluding a bunch of people

2629
02:09:00,520 --> 02:09:03,600
Speaker 24: by like making people feel good about one thing? But

2630
02:09:03,720 --> 02:09:06,400
Speaker 24: like and everybody's sort of laughing together except for like,

2631
02:09:06,520 --> 02:09:08,280
Speaker 24: you know, one percent of people who are like, well,

2632
02:09:08,320 --> 02:09:12,280
Speaker 24: actually like that makes me feel really bad, and so

2633
02:09:12,400 --> 02:09:16,640
Speaker 24: like knowing that, like, there are ways to grow your

2634
02:09:16,680 --> 02:09:19,680
Speaker 24: audience and it works, but it does not make your

2635
02:09:19,720 --> 02:09:22,600
Speaker 24: audience a healthier place or a better place for the

2636
02:09:22,800 --> 02:09:26,520
Speaker 24: like like a community of people who's like has positivity

2637
02:09:26,600 --> 02:09:29,480
Speaker 24: or like making things better for themselves and other people.

2638
02:09:29,520 --> 02:09:30,200
Speaker 2: In mind.

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Speaker 24: That that's a big difference for me, because if you're

2640
02:09:35,560 --> 02:09:39,600
Speaker 24: thinking about it in terms of audience, it becomes about size.

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Speaker 24: And I watch a lot of people in my world

2642
02:09:41,640 --> 02:09:43,520
Speaker 24: to be like you know, obviously the thing to do

2643
02:09:43,600 --> 02:09:48,880
Speaker 24: is get bigger, and that is sad sometimes.

2644
02:09:50,800 --> 02:09:52,600
Speaker 22: So there are two things that I hear you talking

2645
02:09:52,600 --> 02:09:55,440
Speaker 22: about that I feel like might be intentioned. One is

2646
02:09:55,520 --> 02:10:00,080
Speaker 22: like trying to be as inclusive as possible, and the

2647
02:10:00,080 --> 02:10:00,800
Speaker 22: there is.

2648
02:10:03,160 --> 02:10:04,160
Speaker 3: Being willing to be.

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02:10:05,720 --> 02:10:09,120
Speaker 22: It's like changed by by your listeners. And I think

2650
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Speaker 22: when I think of like being as inclusive as possible,

2651
02:10:11,560 --> 02:10:15,080
Speaker 22: I think about like playing to the lowest common denominator,

2652
02:10:15,200 --> 02:10:17,240
Speaker 22: like making sure that everyone is pleased. But I think

2653
02:10:17,560 --> 02:10:21,280
Speaker 22: sometimes in community it's you have to like bring the

2654
02:10:21,320 --> 02:10:22,760
Speaker 22: walls on a little bit. And I wonder Rod and

2655
02:10:22,800 --> 02:10:24,320
Speaker 22: Caring what you think about that, because I think you

2656
02:10:24,360 --> 02:10:27,000
Speaker 22: mentioned that you speak to a specific community, you're not

2657
02:10:27,080 --> 02:10:28,600
Speaker 22: necessarily talking to everybody.

2658
02:10:29,040 --> 02:10:31,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, first of all, what are the rules on cursing?

2659
02:10:31,520 --> 02:10:33,560
Speaker 2: What are are we cursing here? Or no?

2660
02:10:34,480 --> 02:10:38,680
Speaker 9: I say it's fine, Yeah, yeah, I'm getting a thumbs

2661
02:10:38,720 --> 02:10:43,160
Speaker 9: up from the audience. Yeah.

2662
02:10:43,160 --> 02:10:46,280
Speaker 2: Well, I would say our community. We're protective as fuck

2663
02:10:46,400 --> 02:10:50,840
Speaker 2: of our community because, like there's certain things that we

2664
02:10:50,880 --> 02:10:53,880
Speaker 2: can't budge on. So I don't want to invite a

2665
02:10:53,920 --> 02:10:57,680
Speaker 2: debate about whether or not my life matters into my community.

2666
02:10:58,160 --> 02:11:02,640
Speaker 2: So when I when there's certain opinions that we don't

2667
02:11:02,680 --> 02:11:05,600
Speaker 2: necessarily have the privilege of parsing out, and sometimes it

2668
02:11:05,680 --> 02:11:08,879
Speaker 2: can be so callous to even parse out those opinions,

2669
02:11:08,960 --> 02:11:13,520
Speaker 2: you know, like to have we really in our society

2670
02:11:13,600 --> 02:11:17,600
Speaker 2: kind of worship this idea of being unbiased as well.

2671
02:11:17,640 --> 02:11:20,560
Speaker 2: I just don't have a feeling either way. I mean,

2672
02:11:21,160 --> 02:11:23,560
Speaker 2: maybe it's okay to be homophobic, maybe it's not, you know,

2673
02:11:24,200 --> 02:11:30,120
Speaker 2: and that's not truly unbiased, right, right, So like society's

2674
02:11:30,160 --> 02:11:32,720
Speaker 2: already built one way, so it's not truly unbiased. So

2675
02:11:32,720 --> 02:11:34,280
Speaker 2: we try to make a place where we can have

2676
02:11:34,320 --> 02:11:38,200
Speaker 2: a conversation. And that's the difference. The show itself is

2677
02:11:38,200 --> 02:11:41,640
Speaker 2: in a community. The conversations that occur on your show

2678
02:11:41,760 --> 02:11:45,360
Speaker 2: happen because it's a restricted access so on, right, Like,

2679
02:11:45,480 --> 02:11:47,400
Speaker 2: only you and whoever you allow to be on that

2680
02:11:47,440 --> 02:11:51,200
Speaker 2: platform are able to have those conversations. Everything that happens

2681
02:11:51,200 --> 02:11:54,280
Speaker 2: outside the show, that's where the community comes in. Right.

2682
02:11:54,360 --> 02:11:57,080
Speaker 2: So the things that we say, we can't control how

2683
02:11:57,080 --> 02:11:59,840
Speaker 2: youyone reacts to them. You know, we've gotten hate mail,

2684
02:12:00,080 --> 02:12:02,800
Speaker 2: got in love mail, We've gotten all kinds of stuff.

2685
02:12:02,800 --> 02:12:06,040
Speaker 2: We've gotten gifts in the mail, you know. Like, so

2686
02:12:06,520 --> 02:12:09,680
Speaker 2: I think it depends on the goal if you are

2687
02:12:09,880 --> 02:12:12,320
Speaker 2: just And we've had this conversation a lot where people

2688
02:12:12,360 --> 02:12:14,200
Speaker 2: kind of look at our show and they're like, why

2689
02:12:14,200 --> 02:12:16,960
Speaker 2: aren't you cutting off a certain amount of people when

2690
02:12:17,000 --> 02:12:21,800
Speaker 2: you say black lives matter, or when you say trans

2691
02:12:21,800 --> 02:12:24,960
Speaker 2: lives matter, when you say you know, when you talk

2692
02:12:25,000 --> 02:12:27,680
Speaker 2: about me too, and you talk about abusive people in power,

2693
02:12:28,640 --> 02:12:30,840
Speaker 2: yeah we are. We don't want them, you.

2694
02:12:30,840 --> 02:12:41,080
Speaker 7: Know, Like, and I think for me when you talk

2695
02:12:41,160 --> 02:12:45,040
Speaker 7: about our community, I can't speak for anybody else, but like, right,

2696
02:12:45,080 --> 02:12:48,400
Speaker 7: just say we speak and when you speak, the community

2697
02:12:48,600 --> 02:12:50,839
Speaker 7: is built off of people.

2698
02:12:51,200 --> 02:12:54,520
Speaker 3: How people feel about what you say and for our community,

2699
02:12:54,640 --> 02:12:57,320
Speaker 3: our community because we kind of target a certain group

2700
02:12:57,360 --> 02:12:57,680
Speaker 3: of people.

2701
02:12:57,760 --> 02:13:01,560
Speaker 7: It's about healing, you know, because we with our Facebook

2702
02:13:01,560 --> 02:13:03,879
Speaker 7: group and stuff, We've seen people come into the Facebook

2703
02:13:03,920 --> 02:13:06,520
Speaker 7: group and they'll talk about things that they're dealing with

2704
02:13:06,560 --> 02:13:09,440
Speaker 7: and it's a private group, so other people would say, well,

2705
02:13:09,480 --> 02:13:12,040
Speaker 7: I'm dealing with that too. Here is how I dealt

2706
02:13:12,040 --> 02:13:14,520
Speaker 7: with that situation. Or somebody comes in and say, well,

2707
02:13:14,600 --> 02:13:17,360
Speaker 7: I'm just having a terrible day, my kids getting on

2708
02:13:17,400 --> 02:13:20,280
Speaker 7: my nerves, my dog died, everything's happening to me, and

2709
02:13:20,400 --> 02:13:24,440
Speaker 7: somebody comes around and say, well, you know, here's the

2710
02:13:24,520 --> 02:13:27,400
Speaker 7: things that cheer you up. So the thing about community,

2711
02:13:27,400 --> 02:13:30,480
Speaker 7: in my opinion, community kind of they help each other. Hell,

2712
02:13:30,680 --> 02:13:33,560
Speaker 7: they hold each other up. They're there for each other.

2713
02:13:33,960 --> 02:13:35,840
Speaker 7: And when you talk, in my opinion, when you talk

2714
02:13:35,880 --> 02:13:40,840
Speaker 7: about the audience, I gotta say this, the community can

2715
02:13:40,920 --> 02:13:44,400
Speaker 7: grow into a big audience. But the thing about audience

2716
02:13:44,480 --> 02:13:46,760
Speaker 7: audience is also a lot of times people that are

2717
02:13:46,760 --> 02:13:49,200
Speaker 7: just looking they might not want to be a part

2718
02:13:49,240 --> 02:13:51,440
Speaker 7: of your community. They just might want to just hang

2719
02:13:51,480 --> 02:13:54,360
Speaker 7: around and see and eventually they might get swept into

2720
02:13:54,400 --> 02:13:57,760
Speaker 7: the community. Because we talk a lot about various different things,

2721
02:13:57,800 --> 02:14:01,480
Speaker 7: the OLGBTQ and all the different teens, and people will

2722
02:14:01,480 --> 02:14:03,680
Speaker 7: write in and say, well, I've been listening for years

2723
02:14:03,760 --> 02:14:07,040
Speaker 7: and I just had a problem with that. But eventually,

2724
02:14:07,480 --> 02:14:11,040
Speaker 7: now I see things differently now, or you opened up

2725
02:14:11,040 --> 02:14:15,000
Speaker 7: my eyes and I view things differently now, or you know,

2726
02:14:15,160 --> 02:14:16,640
Speaker 7: now I can talk to my.

2727
02:14:16,680 --> 02:14:19,480
Speaker 3: Family members and my mom or my dad or whatever.

2728
02:14:19,280 --> 02:14:22,080
Speaker 7: Is happening in their lives based off of a conversation

2729
02:14:22,160 --> 02:14:25,720
Speaker 7: that we had. I think sometimes people underestimate the power

2730
02:14:25,760 --> 02:14:29,839
Speaker 7: of this microphone, and they underestimate them when people are listening.

2731
02:14:29,880 --> 02:14:32,200
Speaker 3: People are listening because they're going through things.

2732
02:14:32,200 --> 02:14:34,520
Speaker 7: They're having a tough time, a hard day at work,

2733
02:14:34,800 --> 02:14:35,520
Speaker 7: or whatever it is.

2734
02:14:35,560 --> 02:14:36,400
Speaker 3: They might want to.

2735
02:14:36,760 --> 02:14:40,240
Speaker 7: Smile and something you say might trigger something within them

2736
02:14:40,520 --> 02:14:42,440
Speaker 7: to cause them to be a better person. Because the

2737
02:14:42,480 --> 02:14:45,520
Speaker 7: thing about community, in my opinion, community makes people better,

2738
02:14:45,600 --> 02:14:49,040
Speaker 7: makes individuals better, which in total makes the community better,

2739
02:14:49,240 --> 02:14:52,240
Speaker 7: which also can extend out and make your audience better.

2740
02:14:53,360 --> 02:14:58,880
Speaker 21: Yes, I really like what you said about not one

2741
02:14:58,960 --> 02:15:01,480
Speaker 21: thing those people in your because that's the difference between

2742
02:15:01,520 --> 02:15:03,320
Speaker 21: Lowe's common denominator and inclusive.

2743
02:15:03,360 --> 02:15:04,520
Speaker 9: To me is like.

2744
02:15:05,960 --> 02:15:09,520
Speaker 21: I never sat down and said like, okay, time to

2745
02:15:09,520 --> 02:15:10,200
Speaker 21: be inclusive.

2746
02:15:10,800 --> 02:15:14,400
Speaker 9: It was just more like, yeah, I want that percent.

2747
02:15:14,640 --> 02:15:18,480
Speaker 21: I remember on trends like these when somebody punched a

2748
02:15:18,560 --> 02:15:23,600
Speaker 21: Nazi and we are talking about that, that story, and like,

2749
02:15:24,480 --> 02:15:26,680
Speaker 21: at first Brett and I had this conversation before we

2750
02:15:26,720 --> 02:15:27,600
Speaker 21: started recording of.

2751
02:15:27,640 --> 02:15:31,360
Speaker 9: Like okay, so what how do we how do we

2752
02:15:31,440 --> 02:15:32,600
Speaker 9: cover this and.

2753
02:15:32,560 --> 02:15:34,240
Speaker 21: Discuss And then I was like, oh no, wait fuck

2754
02:15:34,320 --> 02:15:39,880
Speaker 21: Nazis and like yeah, this conversation, it's like, all right,

2755
02:15:39,920 --> 02:15:41,480
Speaker 21: how do we come Oh no, wait, but.

2756
02:15:41,520 --> 02:15:44,200
Speaker 9: I don't care. But I mean, actually I had.

2757
02:15:45,360 --> 02:15:47,320
Speaker 21: It was one of the best conversations I've ever had

2758
02:15:47,360 --> 02:15:52,160
Speaker 21: with my therapist, where she said, like, you're you're really

2759
02:15:52,320 --> 02:15:56,120
Speaker 21: worried about doing right by everybody, and at a certain

2760
02:15:56,160 --> 02:15:58,840
Speaker 21: point just kind of have to do what you think

2761
02:15:58,920 --> 02:16:04,760
Speaker 21: is right, and like if you're constantly trying to appease everybody, yeah,

2762
02:16:05,240 --> 02:16:09,320
Speaker 21: you end up like completely blank nothing. And at a

2763
02:16:09,360 --> 02:16:12,240
Speaker 21: certain point there's like, no, I don't have to look

2764
02:16:12,240 --> 02:16:15,120
Speaker 21: at both sides of this. I know you're wrong, right,

2765
02:16:15,240 --> 02:16:17,880
Speaker 21: like disability of like this isn't me not having an

2766
02:16:17,920 --> 02:16:20,720
Speaker 21: open mind. I had an open mind years ago. I'm

2767
02:16:20,760 --> 02:16:21,280
Speaker 21: thirty four.

2768
02:16:21,400 --> 02:16:24,600
Speaker 9: Now I know now that I hate Nazis, right.

2769
02:16:25,480 --> 02:16:28,000
Speaker 21: Like, I don't want to have a conversation about whether

2770
02:16:28,080 --> 02:16:29,200
Speaker 21: or not Nazis are bad.

2771
02:16:29,520 --> 02:16:32,360
Speaker 9: That is done. That conversation ended a long time.

2772
02:16:32,240 --> 02:16:35,480
Speaker 21: Ago, and so like that, that's where it's like, I

2773
02:16:35,560 --> 02:16:38,880
Speaker 21: don't need to include everyone. I need to include the

2774
02:16:38,920 --> 02:16:41,240
Speaker 21: people that I have no reason to exclude. Is a

2775
02:16:41,280 --> 02:16:43,280
Speaker 21: better way to put it, you know, thank you.

2776
02:16:47,840 --> 02:16:51,000
Speaker 22: Moving from that idea of pleasing everybody and then connecting

2777
02:16:51,000 --> 02:16:54,320
Speaker 22: to Karen's mention of how like how much you affect

2778
02:16:54,360 --> 02:16:57,600
Speaker 22: people in the power of the microphone, I'm wondering because

2779
02:16:57,640 --> 02:17:00,720
Speaker 22: we've been talking about healing a little bit in about changing,

2780
02:17:00,800 --> 02:17:05,959
Speaker 22: like what responsibility we have to the community that we

2781
02:17:06,040 --> 02:17:08,480
Speaker 22: are in some senses like a figurehead of Andrew. I

2782
02:17:08,480 --> 02:17:10,880
Speaker 22: want to start with you because I think your audience

2783
02:17:10,959 --> 02:17:13,760
Speaker 22: is unique in that a lot of them suffer, right,

2784
02:17:13,800 --> 02:17:16,560
Speaker 22: A lot of them can't sleep at night, you know,

2785
02:17:16,640 --> 02:17:20,280
Speaker 22: have different things that they're dealing with, and so they're

2786
02:17:20,320 --> 02:17:21,160
Speaker 22: looking for something.

2787
02:17:22,360 --> 02:17:23,879
Speaker 12: Yeah, I mean, I think there's a couple of things.

2788
02:17:23,920 --> 02:17:26,400
Speaker 12: I mean, one, like everybody's kind of saying, like, I

2789
02:17:26,400 --> 02:17:28,520
Speaker 12: think your show and how you are on the show

2790
02:17:28,600 --> 02:17:32,160
Speaker 12: sets the tone, and then it goes to the audience,

2791
02:17:32,680 --> 02:17:34,720
Speaker 12: and then it goes to the community that might be

2792
02:17:34,760 --> 02:17:37,920
Speaker 12: more engaged. And then it's out of your control, which

2793
02:17:37,959 --> 02:17:39,879
Speaker 12: is a really hard part. I mean, at least for me,

2794
02:17:39,920 --> 02:17:42,680
Speaker 12: it's like, holy shit, like what's going to happen, Like

2795
02:17:42,680 --> 02:17:44,840
Speaker 12: like what's gonna happen when people disagree, or what's going

2796
02:17:44,879 --> 02:17:45,439
Speaker 12: to happen.

2797
02:17:45,200 --> 02:17:45,959
Speaker 2: When this comes up?

2798
02:17:46,520 --> 02:17:49,960
Speaker 12: And you have to trust that the community and the

2799
02:17:50,640 --> 02:17:55,040
Speaker 12: tone you've said, like in the goodness of other people,

2800
02:17:55,080 --> 02:17:56,440
Speaker 12: that they're going to take care of one another.

2801
02:17:56,480 --> 02:17:58,040
Speaker 23: And it constantly.

2802
02:17:57,520 --> 02:18:00,520
Speaker 12: Plays out like that, as much as I doubt I

2803
02:18:00,560 --> 02:18:05,120
Speaker 12: see people, like in our big Facebook community, it's like

2804
02:18:05,920 --> 02:18:07,760
Speaker 12: four in the morning and I can't sleep and this

2805
02:18:07,800 --> 02:18:10,440
Speaker 12: is what I'm dealing with and I don't know what

2806
02:18:10,480 --> 02:18:12,280
Speaker 12: to do, and people will be like, well, I'm here,

2807
02:18:12,840 --> 02:18:17,520
Speaker 12: and it's really about like listening, and I see just

2808
02:18:17,560 --> 02:18:20,240
Speaker 12: like people saying, well I've dealt with that, and maybe

2809
02:18:20,320 --> 02:18:25,400
Speaker 12: not even about finding solutions, but finding a shared experience.

2810
02:18:25,440 --> 02:18:27,439
Speaker 12: I mean, I think that's what connects all of our communities,

2811
02:18:27,520 --> 02:18:30,280
Speaker 12: Like as different as our shows might be, it's like

2812
02:18:30,959 --> 02:18:33,920
Speaker 12: people are looking for a connection in this world and

2813
02:18:33,959 --> 02:18:38,320
Speaker 12: it's really isolating and insomnia especially, I mean, are even

2814
02:18:38,360 --> 02:18:40,600
Speaker 12: people are in relationships and their partners next to them

2815
02:18:40,640 --> 02:18:45,280
Speaker 12: sound asleep and they're struggling and hurting and desperate even

2816
02:18:46,640 --> 02:18:48,520
Speaker 12: so I take it very seriously, but I can't.

2817
02:18:48,320 --> 02:18:50,320
Speaker 15: Take it too seriously because most of.

2818
02:18:50,320 --> 02:18:52,840
Speaker 12: It's out of my control. And I think, like another

2819
02:18:52,879 --> 02:18:57,160
Speaker 12: thing is like I don't know if anybody else shares

2820
02:18:57,200 --> 02:18:59,000
Speaker 12: this fear, but of like, well Jesus, what if I

2821
02:18:59,040 --> 02:19:01,360
Speaker 12: do something wrong, comunity canna abandon me or the listeners

2822
02:19:01,360 --> 02:19:03,720
Speaker 12: are gonna abandon me? And getting over that has been

2823
02:19:03,720 --> 02:19:06,080
Speaker 12: a huge step for me of saying, you know what,

2824
02:19:06,160 --> 02:19:07,880
Speaker 12: I can only do my best and I'm gonna make

2825
02:19:07,959 --> 02:19:12,760
Speaker 12: mistakes and people are good and forgiving or they're gonna

2826
02:19:12,760 --> 02:19:14,280
Speaker 12: help you and say, hey, you know what, I didn't

2827
02:19:14,400 --> 02:19:18,520
Speaker 12: appreciate that or something. So yeah, I don't know it's

2828
02:19:18,560 --> 02:19:20,600
Speaker 12: really about For me, It's like I was like, it

2829
02:19:20,640 --> 02:19:22,360
Speaker 12: took me this long I had to start a podcasts

2830
02:19:22,360 --> 02:19:22,920
Speaker 12: to grow up.

2831
02:19:23,000 --> 02:19:27,160
Speaker 2: Like but yeah, well that's the thing. Your audience doesn't

2832
02:19:27,200 --> 02:19:29,760
Speaker 2: want to see you fail, right, Like a podcast isn't

2833
02:19:29,800 --> 02:19:32,440
Speaker 2: like a radio show. It's and you have to be

2834
02:19:32,440 --> 02:19:36,440
Speaker 2: proactive to seek it. Right, So just in the fact

2835
02:19:36,480 --> 02:19:39,640
Speaker 2: that they're listening, if you do make a mistake, you

2836
02:19:39,680 --> 02:19:42,560
Speaker 2: know they're gonna want to try to either like get

2837
02:19:42,560 --> 02:19:44,760
Speaker 2: some accountability, but also to kind of like reeal you

2838
02:19:44,800 --> 02:19:48,120
Speaker 2: in and lift you up as opposed to tear you down.

2839
02:19:48,360 --> 02:19:50,840
Speaker 2: You know. So I think it's a different relationship, you know,

2840
02:19:51,000 --> 02:19:53,480
Speaker 2: Like TV is always there, it's always on right, So

2841
02:19:53,600 --> 02:19:56,320
Speaker 2: like if I don't like Don Lemon, it doesn't matter,

2842
02:19:56,520 --> 02:19:58,720
Speaker 2: like he's not going anywhere. But if I don't like

2843
02:19:58,959 --> 02:20:02,560
Speaker 2: my favorite podcast, like that hurts on another level, I'm like, no, man,

2844
02:20:02,680 --> 02:20:03,879
Speaker 2: like fix the shit.

2845
02:20:04,040 --> 02:20:04,240
Speaker 7: You know.

2846
02:20:06,879 --> 02:20:09,039
Speaker 21: Also, one of the biggest lessons I had to learn

2847
02:20:09,800 --> 02:20:13,840
Speaker 21: was about like the community and being that like the

2848
02:20:13,879 --> 02:20:17,119
Speaker 21: head of the community and the power dynamic that goes

2849
02:20:17,160 --> 02:20:21,039
Speaker 21: with that of like there was like I remember early on,

2850
02:20:21,160 --> 02:20:22,920
Speaker 21: like if somebody would say something like, you.

2851
02:20:22,879 --> 02:20:24,800
Speaker 9: Know, I just don't like the sound of Travis's voice,

2852
02:20:24,840 --> 02:20:29,600
Speaker 9: which is clear I don't either. That's not true.

2853
02:20:29,600 --> 02:20:33,000
Speaker 21: I love the sound of my own boy, and like

2854
02:20:33,480 --> 02:20:37,680
Speaker 21: I would like engage with them, but they weren't directing

2855
02:20:37,720 --> 02:20:40,840
Speaker 21: it at me. They were just having an opinion about

2856
02:20:40,879 --> 02:20:43,680
Speaker 21: a product that they consume. Yeah, and here I am

2857
02:20:43,720 --> 02:20:47,000
Speaker 21: like smoothing And it's like I am a bully at

2858
02:20:47,000 --> 02:20:50,440
Speaker 21: that point because I can't engage with them as equals

2859
02:20:50,480 --> 02:20:54,600
Speaker 21: discussing me. It's like if I tweeted about good place

2860
02:20:54,879 --> 02:20:57,000
Speaker 21: and like Ted Dance and started.

2861
02:20:56,840 --> 02:20:59,080
Speaker 9: Yelling at me. I wouldn't be like, yes, we are

2862
02:20:59,120 --> 02:21:01,920
Speaker 9: equals Ted Dancing. I would be a parallel. And the

2863
02:21:02,040 --> 02:21:03,440
Speaker 9: other way around too.

2864
02:21:03,600 --> 02:21:06,000
Speaker 21: Is I also think the power dynamic that often gets

2865
02:21:06,040 --> 02:21:10,160
Speaker 21: overlooked in communities is then when you, as the creator,

2866
02:21:10,320 --> 02:21:14,520
Speaker 21: if everybody says one thing to you, they see their

2867
02:21:14,560 --> 02:21:19,440
Speaker 21: individual voices, but you see this like cone of like

2868
02:21:19,520 --> 02:21:22,120
Speaker 21: voices coming at you. So like one person is like,

2869
02:21:22,400 --> 02:21:24,560
Speaker 21: I don't see what the big deal is, and it's like, well,

2870
02:21:24,640 --> 02:21:28,879
Speaker 21: yes you don't, but I see everybody's saying. And especially

2871
02:21:28,879 --> 02:21:32,240
Speaker 21: when it's like everybody wanting something different, and it's just

2872
02:21:32,240 --> 02:21:34,600
Speaker 21: like everybody being like, well I want it, and it's like,

2873
02:21:34,920 --> 02:21:37,520
Speaker 21: I you don't understand why I can't just do the

2874
02:21:37,560 --> 02:21:40,440
Speaker 21: thing you want, but I'm trying to figure out how

2875
02:21:40,440 --> 02:21:41,959
Speaker 21: to do what all.

2876
02:21:41,800 --> 02:21:44,440
Speaker 2: Of these people on black Twitter we call that a dragging.

2877
02:21:44,800 --> 02:21:47,600
Speaker 2: That's what this is. Everybody coming at you at the

2878
02:21:47,640 --> 02:21:50,800
Speaker 2: same time, and this and every they normally the person

2879
02:21:50,840 --> 02:21:56,359
Speaker 2: doubles down and goes off all crazy and shit, yeah because.

2880
02:21:56,120 --> 02:21:58,039
Speaker 3: They don't want to hear that. And something else.

2881
02:21:58,120 --> 02:22:02,920
Speaker 7: When you were talking about being responsible, when you're on

2882
02:22:02,920 --> 02:22:05,720
Speaker 7: a microphone. Most of the time, there's no script, there's

2883
02:22:05,760 --> 02:22:06,560
Speaker 7: nothing you look at.

2884
02:22:06,640 --> 02:22:08,160
Speaker 3: It's not a telepromper in front of you.

2885
02:22:08,160 --> 02:22:11,080
Speaker 7: You don't have a producer somebody saying go. So most

2886
02:22:11,120 --> 02:22:13,400
Speaker 7: of the time when you're speaking, you're speaking with raw feelings.

2887
02:22:13,680 --> 02:22:15,840
Speaker 7: And the thing about when you speak with raw feelings,

2888
02:22:15,840 --> 02:22:18,039
Speaker 7: you're gonna make errors. You're gonna make a mistake. It's

2889
02:22:18,040 --> 02:22:21,760
Speaker 7: part of being human. And sometimes people forget that we

2890
02:22:21,920 --> 02:22:25,039
Speaker 7: are not products with human beings. And I think when

2891
02:22:25,080 --> 02:22:28,560
Speaker 7: people pluging microphones and they hear you, they automatically assume

2892
02:22:28,600 --> 02:22:32,000
Speaker 7: that you're a product, and they disconnect the humanity from you.

2893
02:22:32,280 --> 02:22:34,640
Speaker 7: And that's why they feel like it's okay to personally

2894
02:22:34,640 --> 02:22:37,040
Speaker 7: attack you. That's why they feel it's okay to cause,

2895
02:22:37,080 --> 02:22:38,920
Speaker 7: like you said, I've had this, particularly.

2896
02:22:38,560 --> 02:22:41,800
Speaker 3: Being a woman, my voice, my looks, you named it.

2897
02:22:41,840 --> 02:22:43,520
Speaker 3: I've been personally attacked on it.

2898
02:22:43,680 --> 02:22:45,400
Speaker 7: And it's one of those things where I go, Okay,

2899
02:22:45,440 --> 02:22:47,200
Speaker 7: you don't look at me as a human beings. So

2900
02:22:47,240 --> 02:22:50,040
Speaker 7: I have to discount everything that you say when it

2901
02:22:50,040 --> 02:22:51,560
Speaker 7: comes to attacking me personally.

2902
02:22:52,040 --> 02:22:54,440
Speaker 3: And all critiques aren't good critiques.

2903
02:22:54,520 --> 02:22:57,120
Speaker 7: Some people critique just to be mean, and they cover

2904
02:22:57,200 --> 02:22:59,240
Speaker 7: it up as I'm giving you a critique, but.

2905
02:22:59,200 --> 02:23:02,240
Speaker 3: You Suck's not a critique, you know.

2906
02:23:02,760 --> 02:23:05,720
Speaker 7: It's a difference. When people actually critique, they're critiquing with love.

2907
02:23:05,879 --> 02:23:07,800
Speaker 7: They critique because they want you to be better, they

2908
02:23:07,800 --> 02:23:09,840
Speaker 7: want you to improve, they want to see these changes

2909
02:23:09,879 --> 02:23:10,400
Speaker 7: in your life.

2910
02:23:10,840 --> 02:23:11,880
Speaker 3: That's a critique.

2911
02:23:12,280 --> 02:23:14,800
Speaker 7: And also the thing is when you make an error,

2912
02:23:14,840 --> 02:23:16,520
Speaker 7: you have to be willing to say I'm sorry. So

2913
02:23:16,520 --> 02:23:19,039
Speaker 7: many people double down just because they have a microphone

2914
02:23:19,080 --> 02:23:21,720
Speaker 7: and the person that's talking to them doesn't, and so

2915
02:23:21,760 --> 02:23:24,760
Speaker 7: they use their platform as a bully pulpit to go, well,

2916
02:23:24,840 --> 02:23:27,800
Speaker 7: I can talk and you can't. So you're smaller than

2917
02:23:27,800 --> 02:23:29,480
Speaker 7: me and you and in my opinion, you can't do

2918
02:23:29,560 --> 02:23:29,920
Speaker 7: that either.

2919
02:23:29,920 --> 02:23:32,480
Speaker 3: But also you have to learn from your errors.

2920
02:23:32,200 --> 02:23:34,800
Speaker 7: In my opinion, and learn from your mistakes because what

2921
02:23:34,879 --> 02:23:38,000
Speaker 7: I've realized, your audience slash community is a reflection of you.

2922
02:23:38,520 --> 02:23:40,560
Speaker 7: So if there's certain things that you put out in

2923
02:23:40,560 --> 02:23:42,480
Speaker 7: the world, you're gonna draw those people.

2924
02:23:42,840 --> 02:23:43,600
Speaker 3: You know, if you.

2925
02:23:43,640 --> 02:23:46,400
Speaker 7: Put out goodness and love and kindness, you're gonna get

2926
02:23:46,440 --> 02:23:48,440
Speaker 7: that back. If you put out a bunch of negativity,

2927
02:23:48,600 --> 02:23:50,480
Speaker 7: in my opinion, you're also going to get that back.

2928
02:23:50,680 --> 02:23:52,560
Speaker 7: And so a lot of times those people are surprised

2929
02:23:52,600 --> 02:23:54,240
Speaker 7: when that community turns on them.

2930
02:23:54,280 --> 02:23:58,240
Speaker 3: But that's what you're putting out into the world. Yeah, yeah, beautiful,

2931
02:23:58,640 --> 02:23:58,920
Speaker 3: thank you.

2932
02:24:00,080 --> 02:24:05,720
Speaker 22: Yeah. So we're talking a lot about listening to people,

2933
02:24:06,280 --> 02:24:08,640
Speaker 22: and I think I don't I don't know for sure,

2934
02:24:08,640 --> 02:24:10,039
Speaker 22: but I feel like a lot of the places we

2935
02:24:10,080 --> 02:24:13,200
Speaker 22: do that is on social media, and I wonder, you know,

2936
02:24:13,280 --> 02:24:17,959
Speaker 22: like it seems like our responsibility somehow falls outside of

2937
02:24:18,080 --> 02:24:20,160
Speaker 22: just producing a product every week. You know, we have

2938
02:24:20,200 --> 02:24:22,040
Speaker 22: to do some listening, we have to do some talking back.

2939
02:24:22,040 --> 02:24:24,560
Speaker 22: But I also hear you saying Travis that like sometimes

2940
02:24:24,560 --> 02:24:27,320
Speaker 22: the talking back isn't productive or there's a power structure

2941
02:24:27,320 --> 02:24:29,320
Speaker 22: in place, So like how do you draw the balance

2942
02:24:29,360 --> 02:24:31,760
Speaker 22: around what it is the work is when it comes

2943
02:24:31,800 --> 02:24:34,720
Speaker 22: to interacting.

2944
02:24:37,600 --> 02:24:40,840
Speaker 21: You know, it's I love what Karen said, because it's

2945
02:24:40,879 --> 02:24:44,960
Speaker 21: like the idea of critique and everything is like you can't.

2946
02:24:46,080 --> 02:24:50,160
Speaker 21: It's so hard like that that to me, they asked

2947
02:24:50,160 --> 02:24:51,960
Speaker 21: the questions during the morning thing of like the hardest

2948
02:24:51,959 --> 02:24:57,439
Speaker 21: thing about like podcasting, and honestly, there is no producer,

2949
02:24:57,520 --> 02:25:02,440
Speaker 21: there's no studio doing it, and so like there's no adults.

2950
02:25:01,920 --> 02:25:02,360
Speaker 9: To look to.

2951
02:25:02,879 --> 02:25:05,880
Speaker 21: You're the adult you know, like you're the adult who

2952
02:25:05,920 --> 02:25:10,199
Speaker 21: makes that decision, and there is no infrastructure in place

2953
02:25:10,320 --> 02:25:13,760
Speaker 21: to figure that out for you, and so like, it

2954
02:25:13,840 --> 02:25:16,560
Speaker 21: took me a really, really long time to figure out

2955
02:25:17,080 --> 02:25:20,640
Speaker 21: what voices to listen to. What was the difference between

2956
02:25:21,600 --> 02:25:24,320
Speaker 21: someone going I love this so much that I wanted

2957
02:25:24,360 --> 02:25:27,320
Speaker 21: to be better versus somebody who is like, I'm never

2958
02:25:27,360 --> 02:25:29,039
Speaker 21: gonna love this and I want you to know it,

2959
02:25:29,720 --> 02:25:32,800
Speaker 21: and like listening to the difference between that and then

2960
02:25:32,879 --> 02:25:37,560
Speaker 21: also knowing within yourself, like how much of this can

2961
02:25:37,640 --> 02:25:42,560
Speaker 21: I take in before I mean I want it? I

2962
02:25:42,600 --> 02:25:44,720
Speaker 21: spiraled into a depression. That was the reason I started

2963
02:25:44,720 --> 02:25:47,440
Speaker 21: going to therapy, because I took all.

2964
02:25:47,280 --> 02:25:47,640
Speaker 2: Of it in.

2965
02:25:48,120 --> 02:25:49,720
Speaker 9: I don't want I don't want to upset people.

2966
02:25:49,760 --> 02:25:52,160
Speaker 21: I don't want to disappoint anybody, and I didn't want

2967
02:25:52,200 --> 02:25:54,720
Speaker 21: to hurt anybody's feelings. And so like somebody would say

2968
02:25:54,760 --> 02:25:57,320
Speaker 21: something and for them, I don't know, it might have

2969
02:25:57,360 --> 02:25:59,240
Speaker 21: been an off handed comment that they put on Twitter

2970
02:25:59,240 --> 02:26:00,600
Speaker 21: because it's Twitter and it doesn't matter.

2971
02:26:00,800 --> 02:26:01,320
Speaker 9: But then I.

2972
02:26:01,280 --> 02:26:03,560
Speaker 21: Would read it and feel like I had failed that person,

2973
02:26:04,120 --> 02:26:07,000
Speaker 21: and like it take it very personally and listen, that's

2974
02:26:07,040 --> 02:26:10,200
Speaker 21: not to knock anybody sharing your opinion of everything that

2975
02:26:10,280 --> 02:26:12,400
Speaker 21: was my It was my problem. This was not like

2976
02:26:12,480 --> 02:26:14,920
Speaker 21: people being mean to me on Twitter or anything. It

2977
02:26:14,959 --> 02:26:18,920
Speaker 21: was an amount of like really trying to find within

2978
02:26:19,000 --> 02:26:22,760
Speaker 21: yourself like how much And I think this is true

2979
02:26:22,800 --> 02:26:24,920
Speaker 21: not just on social media or criticism or anything.

2980
02:26:25,200 --> 02:26:26,240
Speaker 9: How much do you let in?

2981
02:26:26,879 --> 02:26:31,360
Speaker 21: Is period the end, because I think if you you

2982
02:26:31,400 --> 02:26:33,800
Speaker 21: can go the wrong way and let all of it

2983
02:26:33,840 --> 02:26:37,520
Speaker 21: in and spiral and be crushed by the way, or

2984
02:26:37,560 --> 02:26:39,760
Speaker 21: you can go the other wrong way and shut it

2985
02:26:39,760 --> 02:26:43,440
Speaker 21: all out because you start to be crushed by the

2986
02:26:43,480 --> 02:26:46,200
Speaker 21: way and you just say like okay, I'm done. And

2987
02:26:46,320 --> 02:26:50,440
Speaker 21: finding the balance of that is as a human being,

2988
02:26:50,480 --> 02:26:53,040
Speaker 21: I think one of the hardest things in general, because

2989
02:26:53,160 --> 02:26:55,920
Speaker 21: I still want to do right by everybody. I still

2990
02:26:55,959 --> 02:26:58,600
Speaker 21: want to take care of everybody, but also not everybody's great,

2991
02:26:59,280 --> 02:27:04,160
Speaker 21: you know, And that's it is, Like I'm I think

2992
02:27:04,240 --> 02:27:07,800
Speaker 21: it's really easy. I try really hard to put out positivity.

2993
02:27:07,840 --> 02:27:13,600
Speaker 21: That's like my thing, and I never lie, like I

2994
02:27:14,280 --> 02:27:16,440
Speaker 21: don't claim to feel the positivity I put out. I'm

2995
02:27:16,440 --> 02:27:18,560
Speaker 21: putting out the positivity for other people to feel, and

2996
02:27:18,560 --> 02:27:20,000
Speaker 21: then I feel it myself.

2997
02:27:19,879 --> 02:27:21,080
Speaker 9: When it's folded back.

2998
02:27:21,120 --> 02:27:21,440
Speaker 16: But like.

2999
02:27:23,280 --> 02:27:24,039
Speaker 9: It's it's not.

3000
02:27:25,120 --> 02:27:27,840
Speaker 21: Always good, and it's not always easy, and it's it's

3001
02:27:27,879 --> 02:27:30,680
Speaker 21: it's it's really hard to phrase because I think it's

3002
02:27:30,680 --> 02:27:33,000
Speaker 21: really easy to sit in front of an audience, in

3003
02:27:33,040 --> 02:27:35,280
Speaker 21: your audience, in your community and try to pretend like

3004
02:27:35,320 --> 02:27:37,200
Speaker 21: everything's good all the time because you want your audience

3005
02:27:37,200 --> 02:27:38,840
Speaker 21: in your community to like you and stay happy and

3006
02:27:38,840 --> 02:27:39,800
Speaker 21: you don't want to insult them.

3007
02:27:40,240 --> 02:27:41,199
Speaker 9: But there are times where.

3008
02:27:41,080 --> 02:27:44,160
Speaker 21: It's really hard to be a creator, and it's really

3009
02:27:44,200 --> 02:27:46,800
Speaker 21: hard to be a consumer, and it's really hard.

3010
02:27:46,959 --> 02:27:51,440
Speaker 9: It's hard to be a person, so and you know, and.

3011
02:27:51,320 --> 02:27:55,600
Speaker 21: It's I think that's part of community, but it's also

3012
02:27:56,440 --> 02:27:59,160
Speaker 21: the isolation within a community can be scarier than isolation

3013
02:27:59,200 --> 02:28:01,600
Speaker 21: on your own. You are the one voice who says like,

3014
02:28:01,640 --> 02:28:03,879
Speaker 21: I don't think this is okay, and you get shouted

3015
02:28:03,920 --> 02:28:06,720
Speaker 21: down by people you thought were in your community, and

3016
02:28:06,760 --> 02:28:10,040
Speaker 21: like the same thing, that can be more terrifying. I've

3017
02:28:10,040 --> 02:28:12,760
Speaker 21: had people when I talk about, like, you know, Twitter

3018
02:28:12,840 --> 02:28:14,680
Speaker 21: and having issues with it, people like, oh, don't let

3019
02:28:14,720 --> 02:28:15,520
Speaker 21: the trolls get you down.

3020
02:28:15,520 --> 02:28:17,240
Speaker 9: I'm like, it's not the trolls. I don't care about

3021
02:28:17,280 --> 02:28:21,640
Speaker 9: the trolls. It's people who like claim that they like

3022
02:28:21,760 --> 02:28:22,600
Speaker 9: my show and know me.

3023
02:28:22,800 --> 02:28:25,080
Speaker 21: But don't understand the thing I was trying to say,

3024
02:28:25,080 --> 02:28:26,599
Speaker 21: you know what I mean, and that feeling.

3025
02:28:26,320 --> 02:28:29,000
Speaker 9: Of like don't you know me? It's like no, no,

3026
02:28:29,840 --> 02:28:33,440
Speaker 9: they don't. I mean, that's the thing is I'm sharing

3027
02:28:33,480 --> 02:28:34,720
Speaker 9: a lot of myself here with you.

3028
02:28:36,120 --> 02:28:39,120
Speaker 21: But I think it's It's one of my favorite things

3029
02:28:39,120 --> 02:28:41,200
Speaker 21: about social media and about community and about the work

3030
02:28:41,280 --> 02:28:43,760
Speaker 21: that we do on the Internet is it can make

3031
02:28:43,800 --> 02:28:47,280
Speaker 21: people who in other time periods would have felt so alone,

3032
02:28:47,440 --> 02:28:49,440
Speaker 21: would have felt like I'm the only person with this problem.

3033
02:28:49,480 --> 02:28:51,400
Speaker 21: Sleep with Me is a great example of like I'm

3034
02:28:51,440 --> 02:28:53,920
Speaker 21: all alone right now, and you can go on Twitter

3035
02:28:53,959 --> 02:28:56,280
Speaker 21: and say like you're not. There's people in Australia that

3036
02:28:56,360 --> 02:28:58,240
Speaker 21: have the same problem as you, and there's people you

3037
02:28:58,280 --> 02:28:59,959
Speaker 21: know around the world that are dealing with the same

3038
02:29:00,120 --> 02:29:03,400
Speaker 21: shit that you're dealing with. And that's wonderful because they

3039
02:29:03,440 --> 02:29:08,040
Speaker 21: can bring communities together regardless of physical location. But what

3040
02:29:08,080 --> 02:29:10,680
Speaker 21: it can also do is start to trick you into

3041
02:29:10,720 --> 02:29:14,920
Speaker 21: thinking that like it is the same as like having

3042
02:29:14,959 --> 02:29:20,440
Speaker 21: a conversation with somebody like I and sometimes for fun

3043
02:29:20,640 --> 02:29:23,480
Speaker 21: like for funny reasons, like I will have a conversation

3044
02:29:23,640 --> 02:29:26,760
Speaker 21: with someone on Twitter and over time forget I don't

3045
02:29:26,800 --> 02:29:29,240
Speaker 21: actually know them in real life, and that's really nice.

3046
02:29:29,280 --> 02:29:31,640
Speaker 9: I've made a lot of friends through Twitter because we

3047
02:29:32,000 --> 02:29:32,720
Speaker 9: like then we.

3048
02:29:32,640 --> 02:29:34,880
Speaker 21: Met at a convention and it was like, Hey, how's

3049
02:29:34,879 --> 02:29:35,119
Speaker 21: it going.

3050
02:29:35,160 --> 02:29:37,440
Speaker 9: It's like, oh, this is the first time meeting. It's great.

3051
02:29:37,959 --> 02:29:41,040
Speaker 21: But it can also like you start to you know,

3052
02:29:41,160 --> 02:29:44,720
Speaker 21: distance yourself from friends and family because you're getting all

3053
02:29:44,720 --> 02:29:47,720
Speaker 21: this feedback from Like that was one of the big

3054
02:29:47,800 --> 02:29:49,640
Speaker 21: things I went to theinner before too, is like I

3055
02:29:49,640 --> 02:29:52,200
Speaker 21: would if I was feeling down about myself, I'd go

3056
02:29:52,240 --> 02:29:56,360
Speaker 21: on Twitter to seek validation from like social media telling

3057
02:29:56,360 --> 02:29:58,440
Speaker 21: you I was great, instead of just you know, like

3058
02:29:58,480 --> 02:29:59,400
Speaker 21: talking to my wife y.

3059
02:30:00,879 --> 02:30:03,240
Speaker 24: It's very it's very hard for any one person, or

3060
02:30:03,280 --> 02:30:05,280
Speaker 24: even like the small number of people that you actually

3061
02:30:05,280 --> 02:30:08,680
Speaker 24: interact with to compete with one hundred thousand voices of validation.

3062
02:30:10,080 --> 02:30:14,600
Speaker 24: And that's a that's like a legitimate, like yeah, a

3063
02:30:14,640 --> 02:30:17,000
Speaker 24: problem that a lot of people I know and myself

3064
02:30:17,080 --> 02:30:18,480
Speaker 24: have dealt with. The Other one thing I want to

3065
02:30:18,520 --> 02:30:20,760
Speaker 24: say is in regards to.

3066
02:30:20,640 --> 02:30:21,800
Speaker 9: Like how much do you let in?

3067
02:30:22,320 --> 02:30:27,080
Speaker 24: Sometimes what I like so for first, like this changes

3068
02:30:27,120 --> 02:30:30,439
Speaker 24: so dramatically from day to day. As a creator, sometimes

3069
02:30:30,480 --> 02:30:33,600
Speaker 24: your audience is much bigger it's like suddenly much bigger

3070
02:30:33,600 --> 02:30:35,320
Speaker 24: and you're or you're reaching a new audience and so

3071
02:30:35,480 --> 02:30:38,840
Speaker 24: like things changed, and like so you're always you always

3072
02:30:38,879 --> 02:30:40,240
Speaker 24: have to accept that it's going to be different one

3073
02:30:40,280 --> 02:30:43,320
Speaker 24: day than it was another day. And uh, and that's

3074
02:30:43,360 --> 02:30:45,120
Speaker 24: a very difficult thing for a mind to deal with

3075
02:30:45,120 --> 02:30:47,800
Speaker 24: because we're not built to deal with the size of

3076
02:30:47,840 --> 02:30:52,039
Speaker 24: your community changing exponentially, like orders of magnitude up or

3077
02:30:52,080 --> 02:30:54,439
Speaker 24: down over the course of weeks.

3078
02:30:54,760 --> 02:30:56,000
Speaker 10: So that's hard that.

3079
02:30:56,360 --> 02:30:59,280
Speaker 24: But but like how much you let in for me,

3080
02:30:59,520 --> 02:31:02,120
Speaker 24: I'm like, I kind of let it all in. But

3081
02:31:02,240 --> 02:31:05,440
Speaker 24: I say to myself, it's okay to disappoint this person.

3082
02:31:06,800 --> 02:31:10,119
Speaker 2: I like, I'm I'm not able.

3083
02:31:09,879 --> 02:31:11,440
Speaker 24: To do the thing that they want me to do.

3084
02:31:12,160 --> 02:31:16,640
Speaker 24: I can't explain to them why, and I'm not gonna

3085
02:31:16,640 --> 02:31:22,840
Speaker 24: tweet back at them. Then like that's okay. And it's

3086
02:31:22,879 --> 02:31:24,760
Speaker 24: really like it's kind of like hard to accept because

3087
02:31:24,800 --> 02:31:26,600
Speaker 24: my job is to talk to people on the internet

3088
02:31:26,680 --> 02:31:28,800
Speaker 24: and to explain myself into Heaven and I want everybody

3089
02:31:28,840 --> 02:31:31,440
Speaker 24: to like me. But sometimes it's just yeah, sometimes I

3090
02:31:31,480 --> 02:31:34,000
Speaker 24: disappointed a person and like, and that's okay.

3091
02:31:34,360 --> 02:31:36,000
Speaker 2: And if you don't say anything, I'll be like you

3092
02:31:36,040 --> 02:31:39,600
Speaker 2: ignored me. And then and then if you apply back, tore,

3093
02:31:39,640 --> 02:31:41,640
Speaker 2: Like why you apply back? You see how your follower

3094
02:31:41,680 --> 02:31:43,760
Speaker 2: is gonna get on me. It's like, it's no way

3095
02:31:43,760 --> 02:31:45,840
Speaker 2: to win. You just gotta let some people be not happy.

3096
02:31:46,160 --> 02:31:49,720
Speaker 21: Well, it's important too, because that was another big lesson

3097
02:31:49,760 --> 02:31:53,360
Speaker 21: I had to learn. It's like one person doesn't represent

3098
02:31:53,440 --> 02:31:56,560
Speaker 21: your community, right, So like one person tweeting you like

3099
02:31:56,800 --> 02:31:58,240
Speaker 21: you should be ashamed of yourself.

3100
02:31:58,240 --> 02:32:00,840
Speaker 9: It doesn't mean like every single person listen to your shows,

3101
02:32:00,840 --> 02:32:04,800
Speaker 9: like yes, I agree with what they said. It's an

3102
02:32:04,800 --> 02:32:07,840
Speaker 9: individual person. And it's it's like if that person tweeted.

3103
02:32:07,560 --> 02:32:10,480
Speaker 21: You and said chocolate is disgusting, you wouldn't be like,

3104
02:32:10,520 --> 02:32:13,160
Speaker 21: my whole fandom thinks chocolate is disgusting, Like, no, that's that.

3105
02:32:13,200 --> 02:32:16,560
Speaker 9: One person's opinion. But it's really easy to.

3106
02:32:16,640 --> 02:32:19,920
Speaker 21: See that one person as a as a you know,

3107
02:32:20,720 --> 02:32:22,920
Speaker 21: representation of everyone.

3108
02:32:23,240 --> 02:32:26,119
Speaker 9: Yeah, and then it's.

3109
02:32:25,920 --> 02:32:28,879
Speaker 24: Harder as communities get bigger too. And which is a

3110
02:32:29,040 --> 02:32:31,240
Speaker 24: thing that I was, like I wrote down earlier in

3111
02:32:31,280 --> 02:32:35,200
Speaker 24: this is that like, in some ways, a larger audience

3112
02:32:35,680 --> 02:32:39,080
Speaker 24: means sort of the less cohesive community. Yeah, that's something

3113
02:32:39,120 --> 02:32:41,160
Speaker 24: I definitely have noticed over the years. So we used

3114
02:32:41,200 --> 02:32:43,320
Speaker 24: to have a very small, tight knit audience, and now

3115
02:32:43,400 --> 02:32:47,280
Speaker 24: like we've got lots of different pieces that all sort

3116
02:32:47,320 --> 02:32:50,360
Speaker 24: of interact, but in general, people like sometimes people like

3117
02:32:50,640 --> 02:32:52,119
Speaker 24: respond to a comment and they'll be like you read

3118
02:32:52,160 --> 02:32:54,119
Speaker 24: the comments, and I'm like.

3119
02:32:54,200 --> 02:32:55,879
Speaker 9: I mean I read everything.

3120
02:32:56,959 --> 02:32:59,440
Speaker 24: Yeah, Like that's the best part of my week. It's

3121
02:32:59,520 --> 02:33:03,120
Speaker 24: like put a video and then people say stuff, I.

3122
02:33:02,640 --> 02:33:03,040
Speaker 2: Know, joke.

3123
02:33:03,400 --> 02:33:05,560
Speaker 21: Immediately after we finish your live show, the first thing

3124
02:33:05,560 --> 02:33:07,039
Speaker 21: I do is get on Twitter and search the.

3125
02:33:07,000 --> 02:33:09,360
Speaker 9: Half fact because it makes me happy that people liked it.

3126
02:33:09,400 --> 02:33:11,080
Speaker 9: And so far I've everyone.

3127
02:33:10,959 --> 02:33:16,279
Speaker 22: Kind of like, well, we've gotten very deep into yourself.

3128
02:33:18,200 --> 02:33:21,119
Speaker 21: I'm a narcissist and I'm proud of it, because that's

3129
02:33:21,120 --> 02:33:28,200
Speaker 21: how narcissism works. I also think to circle back here

3130
02:33:28,280 --> 02:33:30,760
Speaker 21: and not just turn it into me complaining about Twitter.

3131
02:33:31,520 --> 02:33:34,240
Speaker 21: If you're if you're out there listening and watching and

3132
02:33:34,280 --> 02:33:37,880
Speaker 21: you're thinking, I wonder if I am a problematic like listener,

3133
02:33:38,000 --> 02:33:41,680
Speaker 21: problematic fan that they're talking about. If you're wondering that

3134
02:33:42,200 --> 02:33:45,400
Speaker 21: you're not, like, that's the thing is like, if you

3135
02:33:45,440 --> 02:33:48,520
Speaker 21: come out and support stuff like this and like you

3136
02:33:48,600 --> 02:33:52,040
Speaker 21: care enough to actually listen to our stupid opinions about things,

3137
02:33:52,400 --> 02:33:56,840
Speaker 21: then you're probably the supportive, good people. And that's not

3138
02:33:56,879 --> 02:34:01,040
Speaker 21: to say they are bad people, well there are, but

3139
02:34:01,240 --> 02:34:04,000
Speaker 21: it's communities are made.

3140
02:34:03,879 --> 02:34:06,640
Speaker 9: Up of individuals. This is a I grew up in church.

3141
02:34:06,640 --> 02:34:11,080
Speaker 21: I grew up Southern Baptists, and the thing I learned

3142
02:34:12,000 --> 02:34:16,039
Speaker 21: very early on is that it is a mistake to

3143
02:34:16,280 --> 02:34:21,959
Speaker 21: view a church community or any community as a single

3144
02:34:22,040 --> 02:34:25,320
Speaker 21: cohesive unit. It's really easy to but it's made up

3145
02:34:25,320 --> 02:34:29,240
Speaker 21: of individuals, and individuals are fallible, and if you get

3146
02:34:29,240 --> 02:34:32,959
Speaker 21: a bunch of fallible individuals together, it doesn't get better,

3147
02:34:35,040 --> 02:34:35,480
Speaker 21: and most of the.

3148
02:34:35,480 --> 02:34:36,240
Speaker 9: Time it gets worse.

3149
02:34:36,400 --> 02:34:38,960
Speaker 21: And so it's really easy, I think to think of

3150
02:34:39,120 --> 02:34:42,840
Speaker 21: like one piece, you know, but it's not. It's a

3151
02:34:42,840 --> 02:34:47,920
Speaker 21: bunch of individual pieces, sometimes working together, sometimes with different opinions.

3152
02:34:48,040 --> 02:34:50,160
Speaker 24: Yeah, and if you want to have a productive relationship

3153
02:34:50,280 --> 02:34:52,480
Speaker 24: and build a productive community, like just feeding into the

3154
02:34:52,480 --> 02:34:55,600
Speaker 24: people who are criticizing you, only you can certainly take

3155
02:34:55,680 --> 02:34:59,240
Speaker 24: that criticism and like incorporate it into yourself. But throwing

3156
02:35:00,040 --> 02:35:02,320
Speaker 24: getting into a Twitter feud isn't going to make anybody

3157
02:35:02,320 --> 02:35:04,840
Speaker 24: feel like, oh, this is a safe, pleasant place for

3158
02:35:04,920 --> 02:35:07,200
Speaker 24: me to hang out. I see that if I have

3159
02:35:07,280 --> 02:35:10,480
Speaker 24: a thought that is not what this person thinks about

3160
02:35:10,600 --> 02:35:12,600
Speaker 24: like you don't you know that's that's not a good

3161
02:35:12,680 --> 02:35:15,840
Speaker 24: community building strategy. It's only like a good self protection

3162
02:35:15,959 --> 02:35:19,880
Speaker 24: strategy because you feel threatened as a human. And even

3163
02:35:19,959 --> 02:35:22,720
Speaker 24: though this person is you know, one hundred and forty

3164
02:35:22,800 --> 02:35:25,160
Speaker 24: I mean, I apologize two hundred and eighty characters.

3165
02:35:27,000 --> 02:35:28,520
Speaker 22: I just want to clarify because I don't think you

3166
02:35:28,560 --> 02:35:31,800
Speaker 22: meant this. But not everyone who disagrees with you is

3167
02:35:31,840 --> 02:35:32,560
Speaker 22: a bad person.

3168
02:35:32,959 --> 02:35:35,160
Speaker 21: No no, no, no, no, no no no no.

3169
02:35:35,560 --> 02:35:39,039
Speaker 22: I mean the people who and sometimes you're going to

3170
02:35:39,120 --> 02:35:40,480
Speaker 22: disappoint people who are good people.

3171
02:35:40,640 --> 02:35:43,640
Speaker 21: Yeah, absolutely, yeah, absolutely, And this is the thing. It's

3172
02:35:43,680 --> 02:35:46,720
Speaker 21: not about being disappointed, it's not about disagreeing. There are

3173
02:35:46,760 --> 02:35:50,320
Speaker 21: people out there who want to start a fight with you.

3174
02:35:50,600 --> 02:35:53,840
Speaker 9: Yeah, and like there there are people.

3175
02:35:53,959 --> 02:35:54,360
Speaker 2: This is.

3176
02:35:55,959 --> 02:35:58,720
Speaker 9: I'll tell you a secret. Well yeah, and everybody.

3177
02:35:58,840 --> 02:36:01,320
Speaker 21: Sometimes when somebody says that it really means to me

3178
02:36:01,360 --> 02:36:05,000
Speaker 21: on Twitter, I do research on them. I go through

3179
02:36:05,000 --> 02:36:07,520
Speaker 21: their Twitter timeline and I look first thing, I look,

3180
02:36:07,720 --> 02:36:08,440
Speaker 21: do they follow me?

3181
02:36:09,000 --> 02:36:09,160
Speaker 9: Right?

3182
02:36:09,280 --> 02:36:11,560
Speaker 21: Because like if somebody is trying to yell at me

3183
02:36:11,560 --> 02:36:13,480
Speaker 21: about something and they don't even follow me on Twitter,

3184
02:36:13,520 --> 02:36:13,800
Speaker 21: I do.

3185
02:36:13,760 --> 02:36:15,840
Speaker 9: Not listen to that person. Most of the time, I

3186
02:36:15,920 --> 02:36:20,920
Speaker 9: just block them. That's such. But like I will read

3187
02:36:21,000 --> 02:36:24,240
Speaker 9: through and like really gauge.

3188
02:36:23,959 --> 02:36:27,720
Speaker 21: Like is this person just like going through Twitter trying

3189
02:36:27,800 --> 02:36:29,840
Speaker 21: to start fights with people or is this like an

3190
02:36:29,879 --> 02:36:33,279
Speaker 21: issue that this person's really passionate about that like deserves

3191
02:36:34,000 --> 02:36:35,440
Speaker 21: my attention, and like that's.

3192
02:36:35,280 --> 02:36:37,600
Speaker 9: What I mean, Like bad people. There are people who

3193
02:36:39,360 --> 02:36:42,160
Speaker 9: see it as their jobs to act as a.

3194
02:36:42,120 --> 02:36:46,640
Speaker 21: Critic of things, not not to patigue, but they they

3195
02:36:46,640 --> 02:36:48,840
Speaker 21: see it as like you can't enjoy something unless you're

3196
02:36:48,840 --> 02:36:49,520
Speaker 21: picking it apart.

3197
02:36:50,680 --> 02:36:55,080
Speaker 9: And I my inherent problem, and as you can.

3198
02:36:54,959 --> 02:36:57,800
Speaker 21: See my whole body concaving, my inherent problem with that

3199
02:36:58,360 --> 02:37:01,039
Speaker 21: is that it's really easy to for get, much like

3200
02:37:01,080 --> 02:37:05,960
Speaker 21: a community is made up of individuals that a product,

3201
02:37:06,160 --> 02:37:10,400
Speaker 21: like you were saying, a show is made up of individuals,

3202
02:37:11,000 --> 02:37:14,600
Speaker 21: So you might think, like I am. The great example

3203
02:37:14,640 --> 02:37:17,560
Speaker 21: of this is one time this kid I follow on Twitter,

3204
02:37:17,600 --> 02:37:20,359
Speaker 21: a kid the person I am friends with on Facebook,

3205
02:37:20,360 --> 02:37:23,879
Speaker 21: I mean, was like all of everything I said was wrong.

3206
02:37:24,400 --> 02:37:27,279
Speaker 21: This person I'm friends with on Facebook was like complaining

3207
02:37:27,320 --> 02:37:30,360
Speaker 21: about this movie preview that they saw and talk about

3208
02:37:30,360 --> 02:37:33,640
Speaker 21: how stupid it looked and how terrible looked. And one

3209
02:37:33,680 --> 02:37:36,720
Speaker 21: of his friends, unbeknownst to him. One of his friend's

3210
02:37:36,959 --> 02:37:40,920
Speaker 21: wives wrote the script for that movie, right, And the

3211
02:37:40,959 --> 02:37:43,680
Speaker 21: friend responded like, yeah, she wrote that, and he was.

3212
02:37:43,640 --> 02:37:45,520
Speaker 9: Like, oh, I didn't mean it was bad.

3213
02:37:45,760 --> 02:37:48,360
Speaker 21: I mean like that's like, okay, cool, That's a great

3214
02:37:48,400 --> 02:37:52,680
Speaker 21: example of like it's really easy to forget at the

3215
02:37:52,720 --> 02:37:56,560
Speaker 21: other end, at the end of both sides are human beings.

3216
02:37:56,800 --> 02:37:59,039
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think also when we talk about things when

3217
02:37:59,080 --> 02:38:03,080
Speaker 2: a product, we're so entitled now as audiences. Right, ever

3218
02:38:03,160 --> 02:38:07,400
Speaker 2: since like Naster, let us steal people see these, we've

3219
02:38:07,440 --> 02:38:09,600
Speaker 2: never gone back to like kind of being like, oh,

3220
02:38:09,640 --> 02:38:12,200
Speaker 2: this is a human being I'm taking from. So the

3221
02:38:12,240 --> 02:38:14,600
Speaker 2: same way people get uptight about like I don't like

3222
02:38:14,680 --> 02:38:16,959
Speaker 2: ads in my podcast, I'm like, well, I don't like

3223
02:38:17,000 --> 02:38:23,480
Speaker 2: being broke, you know, Like I think there's that also,

3224
02:38:23,560 --> 02:38:26,240
Speaker 2: that entitlement of that consumption. Right, So, like you have

3225
02:38:26,280 --> 02:38:29,400
Speaker 2: a Twitter account, you do this podcast. I disagree with

3226
02:38:29,440 --> 02:38:32,280
Speaker 2: you about something, I'm gonna find you. I'm gonna tell

3227
02:38:32,320 --> 02:38:35,320
Speaker 2: you I disagree, and you're supposed to just take that,

3228
02:38:35,440 --> 02:38:38,000
Speaker 2: you know, the same way that like Time Warner Cable

3229
02:38:38,040 --> 02:38:40,000
Speaker 2: has to take it. When I'm like Time Wanner Cable

3230
02:38:40,000 --> 02:38:42,560
Speaker 2: be fucked up, my cable. They just had to take it,

3231
02:38:43,000 --> 02:38:45,800
Speaker 2: but I think we lose that humanity in each other

3232
02:38:45,840 --> 02:38:48,560
Speaker 2: we use, we lose that vision and that's something I

3233
02:38:48,840 --> 02:38:51,080
Speaker 2: especially like this year in my life, I'm really trying

3234
02:38:51,120 --> 02:38:55,039
Speaker 2: to get back, like to stop seeing past people and

3235
02:38:55,120 --> 02:38:58,600
Speaker 2: see the person. Because even those really crazy people, like

3236
02:38:59,400 --> 02:39:02,960
Speaker 2: we've been threatened before and stuff, like even something that

3237
02:39:03,000 --> 02:39:05,720
Speaker 2: guy something's wrong, Like he something's in his life that

3238
02:39:05,800 --> 02:39:09,200
Speaker 2: he needs to have taken care of. You know, it's

3239
02:39:09,200 --> 02:39:15,360
Speaker 2: not me obviously, but like something is missing in that

3240
02:39:15,400 --> 02:39:19,199
Speaker 2: person's life that would make them deep be there within

3241
02:39:19,240 --> 02:39:22,119
Speaker 2: a community. At one point we had well I actually

3242
02:39:22,240 --> 02:39:24,320
Speaker 2: don't know how many members on Facebook we have anymore

3243
02:39:24,560 --> 02:39:28,760
Speaker 2: in our group because we used to moderate it ourselves

3244
02:39:29,280 --> 02:39:32,080
Speaker 2: and we realized that we had to step back from

3245
02:39:32,080 --> 02:39:35,440
Speaker 2: that and we selected like fifteen people or so to go.

3246
02:39:36,200 --> 02:39:39,959
Speaker 2: It's yours now, because honestly, it's not my business what

3247
02:39:40,040 --> 02:39:43,760
Speaker 2: you really think about the show amongst your private personal thoughts.

3248
02:39:43,800 --> 02:39:46,760
Speaker 2: So there's no rule that you need to agree with me.

3249
02:39:47,200 --> 02:39:48,480
Speaker 2: You don't even have to like me. There are people

3250
02:39:48,480 --> 02:39:50,120
Speaker 2: that listen to show they're like, I don't even like you,

3251
02:39:50,360 --> 02:39:52,880
Speaker 2: and I'm like that's cool, you know, Like I don't

3252
02:39:52,920 --> 02:39:56,800
Speaker 2: like everybody you know, so it happens, but I think

3253
02:39:56,840 --> 02:40:01,720
Speaker 2: it was as a Travis was saying, I was letting

3254
02:40:01,760 --> 02:40:04,680
Speaker 2: shit in that I really had no business letting in.

3255
02:40:04,800 --> 02:40:06,600
Speaker 2: So that was the line I had to pull for myself,

3256
02:40:06,640 --> 02:40:08,760
Speaker 2: was to be like, Oh, you're a human being too,

3257
02:40:08,920 --> 02:40:11,720
Speaker 2: and you're not required to be a fan of me,

3258
02:40:12,000 --> 02:40:13,959
Speaker 2: even if you're in a group that's about being a

3259
02:40:14,000 --> 02:40:14,360
Speaker 2: fan of me.

3260
02:40:15,120 --> 02:40:17,880
Speaker 22: Yeah, I want to talk to Julian because he hasn't

3261
02:40:17,920 --> 02:40:18,480
Speaker 22: said anything.

3262
02:40:20,680 --> 02:40:24,720
Speaker 10: How you doing your show is very.

3263
02:40:24,520 --> 02:40:27,680
Speaker 22: Different than all the other shows here in that you

3264
02:40:27,800 --> 02:40:30,640
Speaker 22: play a character who also happens to have your name. Like,

3265
02:40:30,879 --> 02:40:33,400
Speaker 22: are you resonating with any of this? Like what do

3266
02:40:33,480 --> 02:40:35,879
Speaker 22: people make assumptions about you as a person based on

3267
02:40:35,920 --> 02:40:39,080
Speaker 22: your show? I know you meet a lot of your

3268
02:40:39,160 --> 02:40:41,119
Speaker 22: fans at live shows, like.

3269
02:40:41,440 --> 02:40:42,439
Speaker 10: Give us your perspective.

3270
02:40:43,000 --> 02:40:46,080
Speaker 17: Oh well, the character having my name was actually an

3271
02:40:46,080 --> 02:40:49,520
Speaker 17: accident me. One of the first scenes that we ever

3272
02:40:49,560 --> 02:40:52,280
Speaker 17: recorded was with me and John Cameron, the host on

3273
02:40:52,320 --> 02:40:54,840
Speaker 17: the radio show, and we were just recording and so

3274
02:40:54,879 --> 02:40:57,080
Speaker 17: we were using each other's names, and so that's how

3275
02:40:57,400 --> 02:41:01,760
Speaker 17: the characters ended up with each other's names. But I

3276
02:41:02,240 --> 02:41:04,560
Speaker 17: think that one thing that really resonated with me a

3277
02:41:04,560 --> 02:41:07,560
Speaker 17: lot that you couple of you guys down there see everybody.

3278
02:41:08,360 --> 02:41:11,200
Speaker 17: That I think is really worth saying, is one thing

3279
02:41:11,200 --> 02:41:16,840
Speaker 17: about community and family is that you end up loving

3280
02:41:16,920 --> 02:41:20,760
Speaker 17: somebody who might, at some point in their life end

3281
02:41:20,840 --> 02:41:23,280
Speaker 17: up thinking some crazy things. I mean, your grandfather, your

3282
02:41:23,280 --> 02:41:25,400
Speaker 17: grand I mean people that you've loved and.

3283
02:41:25,360 --> 02:41:26,840
Speaker 2: You love them.

3284
02:41:27,280 --> 02:41:29,880
Speaker 17: They can be a part of things that you might

3285
02:41:30,560 --> 02:41:34,519
Speaker 17: feel hatred for yourself. And I think that the presence

3286
02:41:35,280 --> 02:41:40,800
Speaker 17: in communities, in families of unconditional love is so so

3287
02:41:40,879 --> 02:41:44,640
Speaker 17: important to be manifested in the world. And I think

3288
02:41:44,680 --> 02:41:47,120
Speaker 17: that that's because that's also one of the things that

3289
02:41:47,120 --> 02:41:49,720
Speaker 17: can stop things like the Nazis from happening.

3290
02:41:50,640 --> 02:41:51,760
Speaker 2: And that's the other side of it.

3291
02:41:51,800 --> 02:41:54,280
Speaker 17: And at times like these, it's very easy to lose

3292
02:41:54,320 --> 02:41:57,520
Speaker 17: that from the world entirely. So that that's one thing

3293
02:41:57,560 --> 02:41:59,520
Speaker 17: about that really resonated with me when you guys were

3294
02:41:59,520 --> 02:42:01,560
Speaker 17: talking about people and the fact that everyone's a part

3295
02:42:01,560 --> 02:42:04,320
Speaker 17: of the community and and and and that's the other

3296
02:42:04,360 --> 02:42:19,480
Speaker 17: part of the inclusion. I think it's it's uh, yeah.

3297
02:42:13,480 --> 02:42:15,400
Speaker 22: And I've just been told that we have ten minutes left,

3298
02:42:16,080 --> 02:42:18,680
Speaker 22: and I want to take a couple of questions, So

3299
02:42:18,800 --> 02:42:20,920
Speaker 22: if people will raise their hands for me, I saw

3300
02:42:21,000 --> 02:42:22,560
Speaker 22: one way over there and speak up.

3301
02:42:22,720 --> 02:42:23,000
Speaker 2: Yep.

3302
02:42:51,280 --> 02:42:52,160
Speaker 10: The question was.

3303
02:42:54,840 --> 02:42:57,959
Speaker 22: About the inextricable nature of social media and podcasting and

3304
02:42:58,000 --> 02:42:59,840
Speaker 22: how do you really know your community if you're not

3305
02:43:00,120 --> 02:43:01,360
Speaker 22: in the social media world.

3306
02:43:01,440 --> 02:43:02,480
Speaker 10: Do you have to do both?

3307
02:43:03,040 --> 02:43:05,320
Speaker 24: So it's Griffin's answer to the worst part about podcasting

3308
02:43:05,440 --> 02:43:07,040
Speaker 24: is have to ever be on Twitter ever at all.

3309
02:43:08,920 --> 02:43:11,440
Speaker 24: And I laughed hard at that, because of course I

3310
02:43:11,440 --> 02:43:13,000
Speaker 24: would go on Twitter all the time anyway, but I

3311
02:43:13,000 --> 02:43:16,040
Speaker 24: do recognize that it's not necessarily the most healthy thing

3312
02:43:16,040 --> 02:43:18,680
Speaker 24: that I do every morning at six point thirty looking

3313
02:43:18,680 --> 02:43:22,800
Speaker 24: and seeing how the world has decayed one more but

3314
02:43:23,000 --> 02:43:33,080
Speaker 24: like sloughed off a bit more flesh. Yeah, so I

3315
02:43:33,480 --> 02:43:37,039
Speaker 24: I you know, when I started making YouTube videos, Twitter

3316
02:43:37,080 --> 02:43:41,080
Speaker 24: didn't exist, which it blows my mind, like there was

3317
02:43:41,120 --> 02:43:45,200
Speaker 24: a world before Twitter, you guys, and so but like

3318
02:43:45,879 --> 02:43:48,640
Speaker 24: and also like you have to remember that kind of

3319
02:43:48,680 --> 02:43:50,720
Speaker 24: I'm building the idea of what my community is in

3320
02:43:50,760 --> 02:43:53,440
Speaker 24: my mind, and so I need some feedback up, some

3321
02:43:53,600 --> 02:43:56,320
Speaker 24: kind and I need somewhere where I'm getting that feedback.

3322
02:43:56,320 --> 02:43:58,360
Speaker 24: And it's not just going to be iTunes reviews, though

3323
02:43:58,360 --> 02:44:00,640
Speaker 24: those are a great place, because you don't want people

3324
02:44:00,640 --> 02:44:03,280
Speaker 24: to say negative things there five stars every time.

3325
02:44:04,680 --> 02:44:07,560
Speaker 2: Every time we don't read it.

3326
02:44:07,640 --> 02:44:09,680
Speaker 7: Our motto is, if you don't leave us file stars,

3327
02:44:09,680 --> 02:44:12,240
Speaker 7: we don't read it on the area.

3328
02:44:13,440 --> 02:44:15,480
Speaker 24: So yeah, I mean, you need some way of getting

3329
02:44:15,520 --> 02:44:19,000
Speaker 24: feedback as a creator in any case, and that's one

3330
02:44:19,040 --> 02:44:20,600
Speaker 24: of the things that social media is good at.

3331
02:44:20,720 --> 02:44:23,520
Speaker 2: I think also, you need to know who your community is,

3332
02:44:24,240 --> 02:44:27,200
Speaker 2: you know, like sometimes you'll see like a podcaster go

3333
02:44:27,240 --> 02:44:29,760
Speaker 2: off the deep end, but it's it's really because you

3334
02:44:29,800 --> 02:44:33,400
Speaker 2: either separate yourself from people or you just hyper like

3335
02:44:33,480 --> 02:44:35,880
Speaker 2: get into just one type of opinion, you know, so

3336
02:44:36,360 --> 02:44:38,760
Speaker 2: you kind of need that full focus. I don't know

3337
02:44:38,800 --> 02:44:41,520
Speaker 2: how you could be a podcaster and not have social

3338
02:44:41,600 --> 02:44:44,240
Speaker 2: media unless you're like I'm super famous and I don't

3339
02:44:44,240 --> 02:44:46,400
Speaker 2: care what these people think about me or whatever, Like

3340
02:44:46,760 --> 02:44:48,760
Speaker 2: you kind of almost have to experience those people.

3341
02:44:49,560 --> 02:44:49,959
Speaker 15: True.

3342
02:44:50,320 --> 02:44:52,080
Speaker 12: Yeah, I mean I think one other way to look

3343
02:44:52,080 --> 02:44:54,760
Speaker 12: at it is like if your podcast is exploring an

3344
02:44:54,800 --> 02:44:58,640
Speaker 12: idea or a concept of seeing the social media landscape's

3345
02:44:58,800 --> 02:45:01,240
Speaker 12: like even if you just as a mental trick of

3346
02:45:01,280 --> 02:45:03,960
Speaker 12: being like, Okay, this is this wild land that I'm

3347
02:45:03,959 --> 02:45:08,200
Speaker 12: going to start exploring and start extending the concept and

3348
02:45:08,320 --> 02:45:10,200
Speaker 12: what I want to build out as a community for

3349
02:45:10,320 --> 02:45:13,440
Speaker 12: my show there like an adventure. I mean, just cast

3350
02:45:13,480 --> 02:45:17,279
Speaker 12: yourself in in a different role, because it isn't everything

3351
02:45:17,280 --> 02:45:18,920
Speaker 12: we're talking about. I mean, I think the hard thing

3352
02:45:19,320 --> 02:45:21,320
Speaker 12: is like we don't know, we don't know how to

3353
02:45:21,360 --> 02:45:25,440
Speaker 12: do this, and it's very strange, but we love you

3354
02:45:25,720 --> 02:45:29,080
Speaker 12: and so it's like trying to walk this tight rope

3355
02:45:29,120 --> 02:45:31,039
Speaker 12: a little bit. And I think it's just a part

3356
02:45:31,080 --> 02:45:34,280
Speaker 12: of like stepping outside of your comfort zone and then

3357
02:45:34,320 --> 02:45:36,760
Speaker 12: you realize, oh wow, it's nice over here.

3358
02:45:37,080 --> 02:45:48,160
Speaker 2: Sometimes. Hey, Julian Yon got social media. Man, what if

3359
02:45:48,160 --> 02:45:50,080
Speaker 2: you like show up to a meetup and it's all like,

3360
02:45:50,160 --> 02:45:52,800
Speaker 2: all right, dudes, what would you do? I don't even

3361
02:45:52,800 --> 02:45:53,000
Speaker 2: know that.

3362
02:45:55,400 --> 02:45:56,560
Speaker 10: All right, we got another question.

3363
02:46:09,240 --> 02:46:18,800
Speaker 24: I think there's gonna be a story.

3364
02:46:23,080 --> 02:46:26,360
Speaker 12: I have a positive one. So I'll start like I

3365
02:46:26,680 --> 02:46:29,640
Speaker 12: tried on my show, like to get this old timey

3366
02:46:29,720 --> 02:46:32,359
Speaker 12: opening where I said ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls,

3367
02:46:32,760 --> 02:46:36,400
Speaker 12: and it never felt right to me. But I couldn't

3368
02:46:36,400 --> 02:46:39,080
Speaker 12: find the words because my show's all about creating this

3369
02:46:39,720 --> 02:46:43,320
Speaker 12: fireside place where everybody feels welcome. And not long after

3370
02:46:43,360 --> 02:46:46,120
Speaker 12: I was testing that and being like, oh it's old timey,

3371
02:46:46,160 --> 02:46:47,160
Speaker 12: but too old timey?

3372
02:46:47,840 --> 02:46:47,960
Speaker 16: Uh?

3373
02:46:48,840 --> 02:46:52,480
Speaker 12: Someone in my community welcomed the new members and they

3374
02:46:52,520 --> 02:46:55,400
Speaker 12: said ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls and friends beyond

3375
02:46:55,440 --> 02:46:58,600
Speaker 12: the binary, and I was like, that's it, Like that's

3376
02:46:58,680 --> 02:47:03,800
Speaker 12: what I was looking for. And it just was always like, oh,

3377
02:47:03,920 --> 02:47:07,039
Speaker 12: that's like the essence of my show coming back to me.

3378
02:47:07,720 --> 02:47:12,640
Speaker 21: So yeah, I remember a time that a response from

3379
02:47:12,760 --> 02:47:16,920
Speaker 21: our community completely reshaped the way me and my brothers

3380
02:47:16,959 --> 02:47:21,520
Speaker 21: think about the world. And very very early on, I

3381
02:47:21,560 --> 02:47:27,520
Speaker 21: think first year, we made a joke about herries and

3382
02:47:27,560 --> 02:47:31,280
Speaker 21: we were very mean to them, and you had to remember,

3383
02:47:31,280 --> 02:47:36,520
Speaker 21: me and my brothers are three six white dudes from

3384
02:47:36,879 --> 02:47:41,240
Speaker 21: West Virginia who tried very hard to be nice, but

3385
02:47:41,959 --> 02:47:45,600
Speaker 21: you know, had a lot to learn, and we made

3386
02:47:45,600 --> 02:47:48,199
Speaker 21: these jokes because it just seemed like, yeah, this is

3387
02:47:48,360 --> 02:47:50,720
Speaker 21: we didn't know anyone in the furry community, we didn't

3388
02:47:50,720 --> 02:47:53,480
Speaker 21: have a connection to it. So it seemed like the

3389
02:47:53,520 --> 02:47:56,320
Speaker 21: same way everyone uses New Jersey as a joke state.

3390
02:47:56,680 --> 02:47:58,400
Speaker 21: It was just like, this is a joke we can

3391
02:47:58,480 --> 02:48:01,640
Speaker 21: make and everyone will laugh at it. And so like

3392
02:48:01,680 --> 02:48:07,120
Speaker 21: we put the episode up and some wonderfully patient and

3393
02:48:07,240 --> 02:48:11,400
Speaker 21: polite furries responded to us and like, we think you

3394
02:48:11,560 --> 02:48:15,119
Speaker 21: might be misinformed about the furry community, and.

3395
02:48:15,040 --> 02:48:17,200
Speaker 9: They were I'm about to cry.

3396
02:48:17,320 --> 02:48:21,680
Speaker 21: They were so nice and they had no reason to be.

3397
02:48:22,000 --> 02:48:25,320
Speaker 21: We were so mean, and they could have very easily

3398
02:48:25,400 --> 02:48:27,920
Speaker 21: responded like, well, fuck you all, but instead they came

3399
02:48:27,959 --> 02:48:30,520
Speaker 21: back like, we think maybe you don't know.

3400
02:48:30,520 --> 02:48:31,560
Speaker 9: As much as you think you do.

3401
02:48:32,600 --> 02:48:36,640
Speaker 21: And it's one of the few times that we've ever

3402
02:48:36,680 --> 02:48:40,320
Speaker 21: apologized for making a joke about like because the reason

3403
02:48:40,360 --> 02:48:42,120
Speaker 21: it's one of the few times is we didn't do

3404
02:48:42,200 --> 02:48:46,800
Speaker 21: that ever again because we realized, like, why why would

3405
02:48:46,840 --> 02:48:47,640
Speaker 21: we make jokes.

3406
02:48:47,440 --> 02:48:48,640
Speaker 9: At anyone's expense?

3407
02:48:49,280 --> 02:48:52,480
Speaker 21: And it was suddenly this realization of like, there are

3408
02:48:52,600 --> 02:48:56,200
Speaker 21: people at the other end of this line, and that

3409
02:48:56,360 --> 02:48:58,240
Speaker 21: was it, Like that's where it all changed. And I

3410
02:48:58,320 --> 02:49:03,000
Speaker 21: think from that point forward we tried to operate from

3411
02:49:03,080 --> 02:49:09,080
Speaker 21: a point of either knowledge or openness to things we

3412
02:49:09,120 --> 02:49:11,920
Speaker 21: didn't know, rather than just making fun of something we

3413
02:49:11,959 --> 02:49:12,440
Speaker 21: didn't know.

3414
02:49:13,720 --> 02:49:14,520
Speaker 9: And it has.

3415
02:49:14,440 --> 02:49:18,119
Speaker 21: Completely changed my worldview over the last seven years because

3416
02:49:18,160 --> 02:49:21,119
Speaker 21: it's left me like, instead of like assuming I ask

3417
02:49:21,560 --> 02:49:25,600
Speaker 21: and I listen, and that's always way more interesting and better,

3418
02:49:25,959 --> 02:49:27,840
Speaker 21: yeah than just being like I don't know and I

3419
02:49:27,879 --> 02:49:28,240
Speaker 21: don't care.

3420
02:49:28,560 --> 02:49:30,480
Speaker 9: It's way better to say, like, what's your day, Like,

3421
02:49:30,520 --> 02:49:32,320
Speaker 9: what do you do. How does that work?

3422
02:49:33,040 --> 02:49:36,240
Speaker 21: All of that stuff is way better than just assuming

3423
02:49:36,520 --> 02:49:37,560
Speaker 21: or not being interested.

3424
02:49:37,720 --> 02:49:40,840
Speaker 2: Yeah. I know, with our audience being mostly black, you know,

3425
02:49:40,879 --> 02:49:44,480
Speaker 2: black people as per capita were pretty religious, so I

3426
02:49:44,560 --> 02:49:47,199
Speaker 2: kind of started talking about being an atheist and making

3427
02:49:47,240 --> 02:49:49,360
Speaker 2: certain jokes and stuff. I did think we were gonna

3428
02:49:49,360 --> 02:49:53,040
Speaker 2: get like a lot of backlash, but Christians are used

3429
02:49:53,080 --> 02:49:55,760
Speaker 2: to being picked on, so they were cool for the

3430
02:49:55,760 --> 02:49:57,560
Speaker 2: most part. Every once in a while we get an angry

3431
02:49:57,520 --> 02:50:00,320
Speaker 2: email or something, but like in general, that was something

3432
02:50:00,320 --> 02:50:02,360
Speaker 2: where it's almost like a trust fall with the audience

3433
02:50:02,360 --> 02:50:04,720
Speaker 2: where I'm like, I hope this has become a thing.

3434
02:50:04,959 --> 02:50:08,120
Speaker 2: But you know, the so that they kind of did

3435
02:50:08,200 --> 02:50:10,199
Speaker 2: surprise us. Great.

3436
02:50:10,240 --> 02:50:15,240
Speaker 22: We one time for more question mm hmmm in the

3437
02:50:15,280 --> 02:50:16,199
Speaker 22: green yes.

3438
02:50:18,000 --> 02:50:34,240
Speaker 23: The.

3439
02:50:28,480 --> 02:50:53,240
Speaker 21: How you should always apologize for being a dude expect.

3440
02:50:59,360 --> 02:50:59,640
Speaker 11: Mm hm.

3441
02:50:59,760 --> 02:51:03,360
Speaker 22: So the question was is can there be a sanctuary

3442
02:51:03,560 --> 02:51:07,080
Speaker 22: in communities and a kindness? And I think I'm going

3443
02:51:07,120 --> 02:51:09,560
Speaker 22: to extend that question because this is our last thing

3444
02:51:09,560 --> 02:51:11,480
Speaker 22: to talk. We've been talking a little bit about some

3445
02:51:11,520 --> 02:51:13,120
Speaker 22: of the troubles with communities, but I think a lot

3446
02:51:13,160 --> 02:51:15,920
Speaker 22: of really beautiful things have come out of your audiences.

3447
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Speaker 22: So to answer that question, and talk about some of

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02:51:17,840 --> 02:51:18,960
Speaker 22: the beautiful things.

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02:51:19,400 --> 02:51:19,600
Speaker 9: Yeah.

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02:51:19,640 --> 02:51:22,680
Speaker 24: I mean, this is the first time we ever did

3451
02:51:22,720 --> 02:51:24,680
Speaker 24: a live show, and so like we thought we were

3452
02:51:24,720 --> 02:51:26,960
Speaker 24: going to because John had done a book tours book

3453
02:51:27,000 --> 02:51:30,080
Speaker 24: tours over and you know, being an author and nobody

3454
02:51:30,120 --> 02:51:32,520
Speaker 24: and it's just like miserable, like five people and you're like,

3455
02:51:32,800 --> 02:51:34,520
Speaker 24: I'm going to read you my book now five people.

3456
02:51:34,560 --> 02:51:37,280
Speaker 24: And we did this library show and it wasn't even

3457
02:51:37,280 --> 02:51:38,720
Speaker 24: a book thing, so we thought that it was gonna

3458
02:51:38,720 --> 02:51:40,840
Speaker 24: be less than five people, and there was like fifty

3459
02:51:41,040 --> 02:51:42,760
Speaker 24: and I was and they were like, you should play

3460
02:51:42,840 --> 02:51:44,600
Speaker 24: the song, Hank, And I didn't have a guitar and

3461
02:51:44,720 --> 02:51:46,840
Speaker 24: somebody had brought one, and so I had to play

3462
02:51:46,920 --> 02:51:49,240
Speaker 24: music for them and then they all knew the words

3463
02:51:49,280 --> 02:51:52,080
Speaker 24: to my songs and then I and then it was

3464
02:51:52,160 --> 02:51:54,480
Speaker 24: and then like and like that is like the direct

3465
02:51:54,600 --> 02:51:57,200
Speaker 24: result of that day is me wanting to bring more

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02:51:57,200 --> 02:52:00,160
Speaker 24: people into physical spaces to have experiences like that, which

3467
02:52:00,200 --> 02:52:04,080
Speaker 24: is like why this conference is happening. So it's all cascaded,

3468
02:52:04,280 --> 02:52:10,400
Speaker 24: like that day cascaded into everything that I've done since then. Yeah,

3469
02:52:10,560 --> 02:52:16,199
Speaker 24: but also just like always feeling extremely supported, but even

3470
02:52:16,240 --> 02:52:18,360
Speaker 24: supported like that, like we will sometimes be like, what

3471
02:52:18,360 --> 02:52:21,240
Speaker 24: should we do more of? We'll ask our audience and

3472
02:52:21,240 --> 02:52:23,160
Speaker 24: they'll be like, take breaks.

3473
02:52:25,480 --> 02:52:27,960
Speaker 9: Yeah, that also happens when you start ten podcasts.

3474
02:52:29,440 --> 02:52:31,600
Speaker 21: I would say that as far as the question goes,

3475
02:52:32,040 --> 02:52:35,400
Speaker 21: the important thing is to understand what kind of safety,

3476
02:52:36,240 --> 02:52:40,720
Speaker 21: because sometimes it's the safety to allow yourself to be

3477
02:52:40,800 --> 02:52:44,280
Speaker 21: challenged by something, because like be a sanctuary or a

3478
02:52:44,360 --> 02:52:47,320
Speaker 21: safe place or doesn't mean that everyone's going to agree

3479
02:52:47,320 --> 02:52:49,840
Speaker 21: with you, but it just means that where the disagreement

3480
02:52:49,959 --> 02:52:54,280
Speaker 21: comes from starts at a much more like cohesive place,

3481
02:52:54,400 --> 02:52:57,520
Speaker 21: comes at a much nicer place. But I think that

3482
02:52:57,520 --> 02:53:00,640
Speaker 21: that's the really important thing is understanding you could love

3483
02:53:00,720 --> 02:53:02,880
Speaker 21: something and the same as someone else, canna have completely

3484
02:53:02,920 --> 02:53:06,959
Speaker 21: different opinions about it than they do, and that that

3485
02:53:07,080 --> 02:53:09,560
Speaker 21: for me is like my big takeaway of community is

3486
02:53:10,440 --> 02:53:12,280
Speaker 21: if you and I think I see a lot of

3487
02:53:12,320 --> 02:53:14,800
Speaker 21: you in cosplay, but if you like the Adventure Zone,

3488
02:53:15,640 --> 02:53:21,320
Speaker 21: it is good because the community invested in it and

3489
02:53:21,480 --> 02:53:24,360
Speaker 21: cared about it and stuck with it and gave it.

3490
02:53:24,800 --> 02:53:28,360
Speaker 21: Because it it evolved over time and the characters that

3491
02:53:28,440 --> 02:53:30,680
Speaker 21: we had in the stories that we told it was

3492
02:53:30,720 --> 02:53:33,320
Speaker 21: almost like a weird kind of like choose your adventure

3493
02:53:33,840 --> 02:53:35,680
Speaker 21: where It wasn't like we were making decisions to make

3494
02:53:35,720 --> 02:53:38,880
Speaker 21: the audience happy, but like we'd see the audience get

3495
02:53:38,920 --> 02:53:41,520
Speaker 21: invested in something and it's like I care about that too,

3496
02:53:42,080 --> 02:53:46,240
Speaker 21: and so we go deeper down that road, following that storyline,

3497
02:53:46,320 --> 02:53:50,640
Speaker 21: following that character because the audience loved it. And like, still,

3498
02:53:50,800 --> 02:53:54,279
Speaker 21: every I don't know that I will ever not feel

3499
02:53:54,680 --> 02:54:00,360
Speaker 21: happy seeing someone in costume, or seeing someone has gotten

3500
02:54:00,400 --> 02:54:03,240
Speaker 21: a tattoo based on my show, or that they just

3501
02:54:03,840 --> 02:54:06,480
Speaker 21: come out to stuff like this into live shows.

3502
02:54:06,200 --> 02:54:08,920
Speaker 9: Like it will always make me feel like.

3503
02:54:08,879 --> 02:54:11,960
Speaker 21: I'm doing something right because it means that much or

3504
02:54:11,959 --> 02:54:15,160
Speaker 21: at least one person. And so that's the thing. Your

3505
02:54:15,160 --> 02:54:17,080
Speaker 21: community can be one person. I need to wrap it

3506
02:54:17,160 --> 02:54:19,480
Speaker 21: down you want to, but community can be one person.

3507
02:54:19,720 --> 02:54:23,200
Speaker 9: If that one person, your thing means the world to them.

3508
02:54:23,480 --> 02:54:26,160
Speaker 22: The last thing I'll say is that, Hank, you talk

3509
02:54:26,240 --> 02:54:28,880
Speaker 22: about bringing people together, and I think that's really important

3510
02:54:28,920 --> 02:54:30,960
Speaker 22: that we're all here in this space together. Something that

3511
02:54:31,000 --> 02:54:32,880
Speaker 22: my host Vanessa says a lot is that, like we

3512
02:54:32,959 --> 02:54:37,199
Speaker 22: can create these alternative spaces of meaning, but church buildings

3513
02:54:37,200 --> 02:54:40,520
Speaker 22: are important because you can house refugees and feed people

3514
02:54:40,560 --> 02:54:43,520
Speaker 22: in them. And right now, you know, like we need

3515
02:54:43,560 --> 02:54:45,959
Speaker 22: to really be orienting ourselves to how to bring people

3516
02:54:45,959 --> 02:54:50,360
Speaker 22: together so that those those things still happen, because those

3517
02:54:50,360 --> 02:54:53,200
Speaker 22: things happen when you have a space together. Anyway, thank

3518
02:54:53,240 --> 02:55:05,320
Speaker 22: you all so much for coming, and thank you.

3519
02:55:03,120 --> 02:55:05,080
Speaker 2: All right. So there you have it. Man, that's all

3520
02:55:05,120 --> 02:55:07,320
Speaker 2: the panels we were on, all of them. We were

3521
02:55:07,320 --> 02:55:09,879
Speaker 2: working hard. I hope you guys enjoyed it. If you

3522
02:55:09,879 --> 02:55:13,560
Speaker 2: couldn't be there in real time, you can find.

3523
02:55:13,280 --> 02:55:15,359
Speaker 3: You know, you can be there virtually a glimpse.

3524
02:55:15,680 --> 02:55:18,840
Speaker 2: You can also still hear all the other panels and

3525
02:55:18,879 --> 02:55:22,119
Speaker 2: stuff over at podcon dot com. I think they still

3526
02:55:22,120 --> 02:55:24,920
Speaker 2: have virtual tickets and stuff for people. So if you

3527
02:55:24,920 --> 02:55:27,120
Speaker 2: want to hear, you know, all the live shows and

3528
02:55:27,120 --> 02:55:29,600
Speaker 2: stuff people were doing, that's a great resource. As you

3529
02:55:29,600 --> 02:55:32,880
Speaker 2: guys can hear, they give very quality stuff. So thank

3530
02:55:32,920 --> 02:55:35,800
Speaker 2: you so much for listening, and we'll talk to you soon.

3531
02:55:35,879 --> 02:55:37,000
Speaker 2: Until then, I love you.

3532
02:55:37,080 --> 02:55:37,600
Speaker 3: I love you too.

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Speaker 21: Why