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Speaker 2: And those guys they actually looked at the July issue
Speaker 2: that I had prototyped and they said, this is fabulous,
Speaker 2: but what would you do next July? And I said, well,
Speaker 2: living is a limitless subject matter.
Speaker 3: Welcome to iHeart. We're doing a live episode of my podcast,
Speaker 3: Math and Magic, and we're here celebrating a great friend
Speaker 3: of mine who has got her one hundredth book. Congratulations.
Speaker 3: I think I met Martha on about book number two
Speaker 3: or three. We were trying to remember how long it's been.
Speaker 3: She is a podcaster with US, as well as being
Speaker 3: probably the most famous and influential lifestyle brand. Indeed, she
Speaker 3: is one of those one word people, Martha. She is
Speaker 3: also author, TV host, product creator, and she was even
Speaker 3: the first self made female billionaire. Martha's life reminds me
Speaker 3: of that old Chinese proverb those who say it can't
Speaker 3: be done should not interrupt those who are doing it.
Speaker 3: Martha has always been that risk taker who has completely
Speaker 3: ignored the conventional wisdom and wins again and again and again, books, catering,
Speaker 3: TV show or magazine. She was, by the way, even
Speaker 3: in the Paris Olympics. Anybody see that. It's interesting if
Speaker 3: I think about Martha, and I've known her a long time,
Speaker 3: why she's so successful. One, she has this incredible vision,
Speaker 3: but she also has a tenacity, and she has a
Speaker 3: way of bringing new ideas, doing it a different way,
Speaker 3: but she brings it over the finish line again and again. Martha. Welcome,
Speaker 3: Thank you very much. Bob did before we dig in.
Speaker 3: I want to do a little feature we call you
Speaker 3: in sixty seconds and it's sort of a lightning round style.
Speaker 4: Who makes these things up?
Speaker 3: I make these up? Come on, Come on, okay, so
Speaker 3: here we go. You ready? Do you prefer cats or dogs?
Speaker 4: Cats?
Speaker 3: Early riser or night out very early riser, West Coast
Speaker 3: or East Coast, East Coast, Maine or New York? Mean salt?
Speaker 3: Oh salty? We have one person from me? Salty or sweet?
Speaker 4: Sweet?
Speaker 3: Coffee or team?
Speaker 1: I like both?
Speaker 3: Streaming video or podcast.
Speaker 4: Streaming video?
Speaker 3: Sorry, oh wow, a knife to the heart. Introvert or extrovert.
Speaker 4: I think I'm an extrovert.
Speaker 3: Eat out or order in eat out good? I have
Speaker 3: actually I have never ordered in ever. No, I'm gonna
Speaker 3: tell you how it works. First, costandric On s tequila
Speaker 3: or CBD, oh, comedy or drama, drama, Christmas or Thanksgiving?
Speaker 4: New Years?
Speaker 3: Call or text?
Speaker 4: Call or text I hate text.
Speaker 3: Call? Okay, pop get a little harder. Favorite luxury vacation
Speaker 3: where I haven't been, Favorite vegetable, figetable, secret.
Speaker 4: Talent, secret talent juggling.
Speaker 3: That's a good one. And the last one, the piece
Speaker 3: of technology you can't do without.
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, my iPad.
Speaker 3: All right, let's get started. You and your book first.
Speaker 3: Did you ever think you were going to wind up
Speaker 3: writing one hundred books? Yeah? You did.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's just a minor goal.
Speaker 3: So tell us what makes this book different? What's the
Speaker 3: theme and the idea and the vision of Martha the
Speaker 3: cook This is the book.
Speaker 4: It's called Martha the Cookbook.
Speaker 2: It's a hundred of my favorite recipes, not all I
Speaker 2: have a lot more favorite recipes, but a hundred of
Speaker 2: my favorite recipes.
Speaker 4: And it's nice because it it incorporates.
Speaker 2: Not only a really good, authentic and well tested recipe,
Speaker 2: but also a lot of archival photographs that people hadn't
Speaker 2: seen before, as well as sort of backstories for each
Speaker 2: of the recipes. And it's sort of hitting a chord
Speaker 2: this year I think it's with a documentary that came
Speaker 2: out and that it came out big time. It's a
Speaker 2: very very nice and I do have a can I
Speaker 2: can I brag one I was just called before I
Speaker 2: came here tonight and it has reached number one on
Speaker 2: the New York Times Bestseller this before.
Speaker 4: Before it even before it even got into the bookstores.
Speaker 4: Isn't that great?
Speaker 3: Fantastic number? Radulate broadcast book. I want to ask you
Speaker 3: just a little bit about the cooking part. You've cooked
Speaker 3: meals for me over the years. You were at my
Speaker 3: fortieth birthday and then you cooked for me my forty
Speaker 3: first birthday. But it seems so effortless, and it just
Speaker 3: you always do this at the East. I've been at
Speaker 3: your house and it's just like things happen. How does
Speaker 3: that happen? What is the secret to that?
Speaker 2: And just being relaxed, I think, and being able to
Speaker 2: do such a thing and to be interested in doing
Speaker 2: such a thing. I love to cook, I love to entertain.
Speaker 2: I have made a company on those subjects and it's
Speaker 2: just part of my lifestyle. And it's always fun to
Speaker 2: have friends over. It's always friends. It's fun to see
Speaker 2: what they respond to and what they do. Now.
Speaker 3: Were you that kind of cook before you started your
Speaker 3: catering company?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 3: Yes.
Speaker 2: In nineteen sixty one, I went to I got married,
Speaker 2: and I think it was nineteen sixty one, and I
Speaker 2: went to Paris and I bought Julia child Mestering The
Speaker 2: Art of French Cooking, Volume one, and I'm the original Julie.
Speaker 2: Remember there was that movie Julia and Julie. Well, I'm
Speaker 2: I'm Julie. I should have done the movie then. But
Speaker 2: I cooked every single recipe and I entertained our friends
Speaker 2: on Riverside Drive. I lived in two ninety Riverside Drive
Speaker 2: on one hundred and first Street, in a beautiful apartment
Speaker 2: looking over the Hudson River where we looked out the
Speaker 2: window when people were going to Woodstock. Remember Woodstock?
Speaker 4: Did you go to Woodstock?
Speaker 3: I was, Yes, I was, and I was been a
Speaker 3: long way to drive.
Speaker 2: I watched all the cars go up up the west
Speaker 2: Side Drive. I kept thinking, why aren't I going up there?
Speaker 4: You know, I should have. I should have, would have,
Speaker 4: could have.
Speaker 2: But but it was so much fun, and that's that's
Speaker 2: what I did. I really did love to cook and
Speaker 2: love to entertain.
Speaker 3: And how did that turn into the catering business. I know,
Speaker 3: you were on Wall Street for a while and then
Speaker 3: you suddenly wound up in the CATERI I.
Speaker 2: Quit Wall Street after about seven or eight years. I
Speaker 2: was an institutional stockbroker, dealing with people like the Manufacturers
Speaker 2: Hanover Bank three to be a bank called Manufacturers hent
Speaker 2: Over and Man Yeah and uh and my clients were
Speaker 2: like Fidelity up in Boston and a lot of other
Speaker 2: impressive investors. And when I quit, I went to I
Speaker 2: went to Westport, Connecticut to raise my daughter and to
Speaker 2: start a business. And it was catering. It was just
Speaker 2: something that interested me. I don't know why, because nothing
Speaker 2: is harder than running a catering business. You set up
Speaker 2: a restaurant every single night somewhere, and you take all
Speaker 2: the food to it somewhere, and then you break it
Speaker 2: down at the end of the night and you drag
Speaker 2: yourself home and it's a it's a really difficult job.
Speaker 3: But when you started, catering was much more of one
Speaker 3: that cheese on ritz crackers and uh, oh not mine,
Speaker 3: I know. And suddenly you came in with this whole
Speaker 3: new approach, the catering. Yeah, where did that come from?
Speaker 3: I mean, you must have looked and said, oh, this
Speaker 3: is why you do catering, and or did you.
Speaker 4: Just I loved good food.
Speaker 2: I had traveled a little bit by that time, and
Speaker 2: I had eaten in the very finest restaurants. My husband
Speaker 2: lived in a building when he was growing up. He
Speaker 2: lived in the Ritz Tower, and they used to have
Speaker 2: a restaurant downstairs which was room service for their apartment
Speaker 2: at the Ritz Tower, and they had it was the
Speaker 2: Pavillon here at the Pavion restaurant.
Speaker 4: So I started.
Speaker 2: I got to eat a lot of that good Pavillon food.
Speaker 2: And plus I grew up with great food. My mother
Speaker 2: was a great cook, a country cook, you know, Polish
Speaker 2: peasant dishes, but delicious, and no one would turn down
Speaker 2: anything in our house.
Speaker 3: And so then you turned that in two books.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, then I realized that if I didn't do something
Speaker 2: with all this great stuff I was doing these parties,
Speaker 2: I was creating for people, not myself, so much that
Speaker 2: if I ever did have grandchildren, they would say what
Speaker 2: did Grandma do with her life? And I thought, well,
Speaker 2: you know, maybe I should write a book about it.
Speaker 2: So we started to photograph all the parties, and I
Speaker 2: turned into entertaining my first book in nineteen eighty two,
Speaker 2: and that book really did strike a very, very very
Speaker 2: strong cord with the Housewives of America because they realized
Speaker 2: that they could also enterchain, they could cook, they could
Speaker 2: set a pretty table, they could collect, they could have
Speaker 2: a nicer legs than they were having, and so it
Speaker 2: really made a difference.
Speaker 3: So let's jump a little bit. Time and Warner Merge
Speaker 3: create Time. Warner. You and I've known each other before then,
Speaker 3: and so I was on the inside there, and I
Speaker 3: remember there were two things you wanted to do. One
Speaker 3: was a magazine and one was a TV show that
Speaker 3: was sort of a big jump. Where did you get
Speaker 3: the idea? And I want to paint a picture that
Speaker 3: time Inche couldn't have been more straight legs, more sort
Speaker 3: of male dominated. How on earth did you get that
Speaker 3: magazine through? Well?
Speaker 4: I wanted you.
Speaker 2: I was writing a book a year at that time,
Speaker 2: after entertaining my publisher Clerks and.
Speaker 4: Potter, who is still my publisher. This is a Clerkson
Speaker 4: Potter book. Isn't that funny?
Speaker 2: That's loyal Yeah, that's loyalty on their part on my
Speaker 2: part actually, And so I thought, what else could I do?
Speaker 4: I can't I'd like writing the books, but.
Speaker 2: What else could I do to actually maximize the subject
Speaker 2: matters that I liked so much? So I took an
Speaker 2: idea of a beautiful how to book series to Clarkson Potter.
Speaker 2: They passed on it. They said, eh, you know, we're
Speaker 2: going to do some garden books and we'll do stuff,
Speaker 2: but you can't do more than a book a year anyway.
Speaker 4: And now I'm doing it four books a year.
Speaker 2: So I thought, well, the other format that I could
Speaker 2: do is a magazine.
Speaker 4: So I went first.
Speaker 2: To Condy Nast to sign a new house who was
Speaker 2: very receptive. He gave me enough money to do a prototype,
Speaker 2: and he liked me, and I liked him.
Speaker 4: He was really smart, and when.
Speaker 2: I came up with the prototype, he said, well, what
Speaker 2: do you want it to be called? And I said,
Speaker 2: Martha Stewart Living. And he said, well, it can be Living,
Speaker 2: but it has to be Condy Nest Living because that's
Speaker 2: my company. And I said, but I don't want it
Speaker 2: to be Condie Nest.
Speaker 4: I wanted to be Martha Stewart.
Speaker 2: Somehow I knew that branding was important. So he said
Speaker 2: he here's their type goes somewhere else and I took
Speaker 2: it to Rupert Murdoch and I met with Rupert.
Speaker 4: I loved Rupert so much.
Speaker 2: He was I meaning, now he's Fox News and all
Speaker 2: that horrible stuff. I thought he was the I mean
Speaker 2: he walked into the room and everybody and all the
Speaker 2: men in the room just like melted in comparison. And
Speaker 2: he said, oh, I'm closing magazine, so it's not a
Speaker 2: good time for me to I'm selling seventeen. I'm getting
Speaker 2: rid of everything. So he said, take it to Time.
Speaker 2: They'll probably take it. So I met with all the
Speaker 2: hun shows at Timed and I showed them the prototype,
Speaker 2: and those guys they actually looked at the July issue
Speaker 2: that I had prototyped and they said, this is fabulous,
Speaker 2: but what would you do next July? And I said, well,
Speaker 2: living is a limitless subject matter.
Speaker 4: They didn't get that. They thought one July was enough.
Speaker 2: And yet they gave me the money and they gave
Speaker 2: me like a fifty to fifty partnership on the magazine,
Speaker 2: and I made them write it on a piece of
Speaker 2: paper and we had an actual agreement and we started
Speaker 2: pup the magazine. It was a success from day one.
Speaker 3: That was a huge It was It was a.
Speaker 2: Huge success, and it was the first really multi subject
Speaker 2: lifestyle magazine and beautifully photographed and like with a clear vision, yes, right,
Speaker 2: with a person's vision.
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, tell us about the TV show.
Speaker 4: Well then I came.
Speaker 2: Then a year and a half later, I said, you know,
Speaker 2: there's this thing called Synergy which time.
Speaker 4: Remember they didn't like synergshow.
Speaker 3: Oh I remember, I remember, boy, they did not.
Speaker 2: Like the word synergy. It was a filthy dirty words.
Speaker 2: But I love the word synergy.
Speaker 4: I thought.
Speaker 2: They said, well, you know, you're gonna you're going to
Speaker 2: accountabalize your magazine if you go on television.
Speaker 4: Nobody's going to buy the magazine. I said that you're wrong.
Speaker 2: There are people who read magazines and there are people
Speaker 2: who watch television, and some people do both, but they're
Speaker 2: not going to turn one off to to jeopardize the other.
Speaker 4: And I was right, and it worked.
Speaker 2: So we had a daily television show after a couple
Speaker 2: of years, and it was it was. It was great,
Speaker 2: But in retrospect, I should have concentrated more on other
Speaker 2: things that not just a daily television.
Speaker 4: Daily television show eats you alive.
Speaker 3: As it does eat it eats you alive, you know,
Speaker 3: you did the books, she did, the magazine you did,
Speaker 3: the TV show you went on to do. Your company
Speaker 3: made a lot of money. Public company made a big splash,
Speaker 3: But at what point along the way did you realize
Speaker 3: that you had something special and you had something no
Speaker 3: one else did.
Speaker 2: I concentrated really on getting everything done well, and we
Speaker 2: had the best team. I was the CEO, I had
Speaker 2: the best president, I had the best lawyer and the
Speaker 2: best legal officer. I had the best CFO. Everybody was
Speaker 2: really young and vital, and I was in my forties
Speaker 2: by the time I did this, so close to fifty
Speaker 2: when I started my big business.
Speaker 4: But it was a lot of fun.
Speaker 2: And really choosing like minded people to work with you
Speaker 2: really made a huge difference in the success of the company,
Speaker 2: and they all went off to do amazing things.
Speaker 3: Everybody well, by the way, it was such a creative factory.
Speaker 3: I remember when we started.
Speaker 2: And we paid the creatives the same as we paid
Speaker 2: the business people. That was one of my absolute rules
Speaker 2: of the company was the creatives have to be paid.
Speaker 2: I mean, in Hollywood, the creatives get paid more than
Speaker 2: most of the executives, so why not in a magazine.
Speaker 3: World Tonight, we've got a lot of advertising industry people here.
Speaker 3: What advice would you have for them about building, maintaining
Speaker 3: and evolving a brand. There can't be a brand any
Speaker 3: clearer than yours, but it has evolved so much over
Speaker 3: the years that it somehow has managed to keep pace well.
Speaker 2: I think what you have to make sure is that
Speaker 2: you stay authentic to the basic tenets.
Speaker 4: Of the brand.
Speaker 2: We have a whole list of things that our brand
Speaker 2: stands for, which is beauty, practicality, authenticity, usefulness, all those
Speaker 2: very simple words, but they really fit all together nicely,
Speaker 2: and if you do stick to that and make fabulous products.
Speaker 2: I started here on the retail pyramid. You can start
Speaker 2: up here like Armani or Balenciaga, but I started down
Speaker 2: here with Kmart because I thought I thought the masses
Speaker 2: in America especially needed highest quality at the best possible pricing,
Speaker 2: and I gave them the information in the magazine. Those
Speaker 2: people down here are reading what everybody up here is
Speaker 2: reading too.
Speaker 4: Everybody wants to learn, and.
Speaker 2: I always always love students, and I think that if you,
Speaker 2: if you understand that your your audience is intelligent and
Speaker 2: wants to learn and wants to enjoy, then you then
Speaker 2: you can make a brand.
Speaker 3: I think you've also proved that their taste is not
Speaker 3: limited to people with a lot of money. That taste
Speaker 3: is not bounded or limited by money either. You you
Speaker 3: are in talking about the brand. You've done a masterful
Speaker 3: job of the evolution you know, pre internet agents.
Speaker 2: Did you call it evolution and not reinvention? People are
Speaker 2: calling it reinvention.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no no no.
Speaker 2: I don't reinvent myself. I'm the same person you. I
Speaker 2: cleaned out the chicken coops.
Speaker 3: By the way, I had a chickens once in Connecticut.
Speaker 3: You came over and you sat, and I had concrete floors.
Speaker 3: You set the chickens feed are cold. You have to
Speaker 3: change this. So I don't know if you remember that,
Speaker 3: but that was the mont the Stewart advice about.
Speaker 4: My chicken might have wooden floor.
Speaker 3: Of course you have wood. I went out and got
Speaker 3: some wood. I gotta I gotta do the right thing.
Speaker 3: But you have, you've done a masterful job of this
Speaker 3: evolution that somehow you've managed to sort of stay synced
Speaker 3: up to where the world is going, where it is.
Speaker 3: It's that conscious or intuitive.
Speaker 4: I think it's both. I think it's both.
Speaker 2: I want to make sure that I am where people
Speaker 2: need and want me my information and my teaching and
Speaker 2: my things that we create. It's all about need and
Speaker 2: want and if you keep that in mind, and everybody
Speaker 2: needs stuff and everybody wants stuff, and just how do
Speaker 2: they get it? Who provides it is the important thing.
Speaker 3: Well, you know, it's interesting even you as the brand
Speaker 3: have evolved. I mean I think about that, and I'm
Speaker 3: not much of a roast watcher, but the Bieber roast
Speaker 3: was pretty amazing. There you were, Martha Stewart's going to
Speaker 3: get up and talk, and you know, everybody has something
Speaker 3: in their head and then you start trying to go what,
Speaker 3: But you just got it. You got sort of what
Speaker 3: you needed to be at that moment.
Speaker 4: That's about the fearlessness.
Speaker 2: I mean, you have to be pretty fearless to get
Speaker 2: up with background and say those horrible things.
Speaker 4: And take the horrible.
Speaker 2: Things that they're saying about you, by the way, they
Speaker 2: said they worst, They said horrible things about me, and
Speaker 2: you just have to.
Speaker 4: You know, what about my period? Remember that one? Oh
Speaker 4: my god, it was in the place the scene era
Speaker 4: or something.
Speaker 3: There is a lot of talk about work life balance,
Speaker 3: especially among gen ZS. You seem to be more on
Speaker 3: the work life integration any insights.
Speaker 4: Yeah, forget the balance. There's no such thing as balance.
Speaker 3: There is.
Speaker 2: I mean, you cannot balance. It just doesn't work out.
Speaker 2: I mean it's a lie. Whatever people say, oh, I
Speaker 2: have the most balanced life, they do not. And you
Speaker 2: just you can ask pretty much anybody and truthfully, they
Speaker 2: will tell you that it's very, very, almost impossible to
Speaker 2: be balanced.
Speaker 4: Don't you agree?
Speaker 3: I agree one hundred percent. Maybe I've rationalized the life
Speaker 3: work balance is over your lifetime. So those years in
Speaker 3: which I didn't work, you know, zero to fifteen or whatever,
Speaker 3: and I took about seven or eight years off. I'm
Speaker 3: counting that to somehow never works that way? What role?
Speaker 3: We talked a little bit about your adventures, and we
Speaker 3: mentioned a couple. I know you've done a lot and
Speaker 3: that aren't what you would think Martha's do. What will
Speaker 3: be doing? How does that those adventures off the beaten
Speaker 3: path inform your life and your business?
Speaker 2: Well, I've been lucky that I've been able to travel
Speaker 2: to distant places, to unusual places. I love to take
Speaker 2: other people on trips too, And for a few years,
Speaker 2: like seven years, I took all my nieces and nephews
Speaker 2: to exotic, wonderful places for their christmasifications.
Speaker 4: No parents allowed, and it changed their lives.
Speaker 2: They've all turned out to be really, really fabulous young people.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 2: They were from ten to maybe sixteen when I was
Speaker 2: dragging them around the world.
Speaker 4: But these were fun trips.
Speaker 2: Like Egypt with the leading Egyptologists from Yale University for
Speaker 2: ten days.
Speaker 4: That's a pretty fabulous trip.
Speaker 2: We're going to Rome and I bought the keys to
Speaker 2: the Sistine Chapel. I bought the keys to the Colisseum,
Speaker 2: and I bought the keys to that. This is a
Speaker 2: good way to spend money. And I bought the keys
Speaker 2: to the Basilica. And we're going and spending four days
Speaker 2: going to these places at off hours.
Speaker 4: It's going to be so.
Speaker 2: Much fun for them. And they've been to all seven continents.
Speaker 2: They want to go to Namibia for Christmas. I mean
Speaker 2: it's going to be one hundred degrees there that they
Speaker 2: don't care. They want to go see the rhinos, you know,
Speaker 2: before there's no rhinos. So that's that's what I'd like
Speaker 2: to spend my time doing again, educating and enjoying at
Speaker 2: the same time.
Speaker 3: How does it seep into the way you see the world,
Speaker 3: your taste, your product.
Speaker 2: Well, it makes me, it makes me kind of sad
Speaker 2: when you go around the world and see nature, see
Speaker 2: the environment, see all of that stuff, and try to
Speaker 2: stay optimistic. When you go to Antarctica and the and
Speaker 2: the icebergs are calving while you're looking at them, and
Speaker 2: great big tidal ways are coming at your boat because
Speaker 2: the global warming is occurring at a rapid rate, all
Speaker 2: of that gets pretty scary. But if you don't do
Speaker 2: it now, when are you going to do it? And
Speaker 2: are you going to be able to do it? So
Speaker 2: my theory is do it now, do it as fast
Speaker 2: as you can, see as much as you can, and
Speaker 2: try to learn from it and try to help.
Speaker 3: So let's end with some advice. I got a lot
Speaker 3: of marketing people here. What are they missing? I mean,
Speaker 3: you've been marketing your whole life, whether you call yourself
Speaker 3: a marketer or not, you've been one of the most
Speaker 3: spectacular marketers. Now what are they missing? What don't they know?
Speaker 2: I think they forget that everybody really wants to learn stuff,
Speaker 2: and it's not so easy. It's not so easy to
Speaker 2: learn and to have access to information that's pertin into
Speaker 2: it everyday life. And I've worked with so so many
Speaker 2: people for so long that I really believe everybody's a
Speaker 2: student and everybody is encouraged with the dissemination of really
Speaker 2: interesting information. I mean, how to clean your shower. You
Speaker 2: think that's so mundane. People listen to me when I
Speaker 2: tell them how to clean your shower, and they want
Speaker 2: to know. They really want to know some simple things
Speaker 2: like that, you know how to get the seeds out
Speaker 2: of a pomegranate. And now with Instagram, things have changed
Speaker 2: because now you can know.
Speaker 4: Everything on Instagram.
Speaker 2: It's so great, and I try to make use of
Speaker 2: those tools, to the social media tools to teach.
Speaker 3: Second piece of advice, if you could go back in time,
Speaker 3: what advice would you give to your twenty one year
Speaker 3: old self?
Speaker 4: Be more careful. Don't be so blase. I was blase.
Speaker 2: I trusted a couple people I should never have trusted.
Speaker 3: It all worked out well, Ah could have been better. Martha,
Speaker 3: congrat some book one hundred, your podcast and all you're
Speaker 3: doing for sure.
Speaker 1: That's it for today's episode. Thanks so much for listening
Speaker 1: to Math and Magic, a production of iHeart Podcasts. The
Speaker 1: show is hosted by Bob Pittman. Special thanks to Sydney
Speaker 1: Rosenbloom for booking and wrangling our wonderful talent, which is
Speaker 1: no small feat. The math and magic team is Jessica Crimechitch,
Speaker 1: Bahid Fraser and Julia Weaver. Our executive producers are Ali
Speaker 1: Perry and Nikky Etour. Until next time,