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Speaker 1: Bold, reverence, and occasionally random The Sunday Hang With podcast.

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Speaker 1: It starts now.

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Speaker 2: We got Robert in Texas. Best Presidents, worst presidents. Let's go, Robert,

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Speaker 2: what have you got?

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Speaker 3: I got George Washington because without him we wouldn't be here.

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Speaker 3: Abraham Lincoln, we know what he did. And then Ronald

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Speaker 3: Reagan for the best, the worst, Biden Obama, and then Carter.

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Speaker 4: So hold on, Robert, you think the worst presidents that

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Speaker 4: have ever existed have all happened in the last forty years.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I do, Yeah, all right, I.

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Speaker 5: Would look, thank you for the call.

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Speaker 2: Look, I mean, I think you can make you make case.

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Speaker 2: I don't think Carter was Okay, this is now our callers.

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Speaker 2: You're all entitled your opinions, and these are just our

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Speaker 2: opinions in response to your opinions. I don't think Carter

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Speaker 2: was that bad because here's the thing. Carter loved America.

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Speaker 2: He just had he was just had some bad policy ideas,

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Speaker 2: but he wasn't actively trying to destroy the AMIC experience.

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Speaker 2: I would argue, for example, in that era, LBJ far

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Speaker 2: worse than Jimmy Carter.

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Speaker 4: Far because of acceleration of Vietnam and everything that was associated.

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Speaker 2: And society, great society programs, and the creation of the

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Speaker 2: welfare state. And I think LBJ far worse than Jimmy Carter.

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Speaker 2: I think Jimmy Carter he was ineffectual, but not malicious.

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Speaker 2: I think LBJ was malicious. By the way, I would

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Speaker 2: make a similar analysis to Obama and Biden. I think

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Speaker 2: the changes that Obama did were intentional and malicious, whereas

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Speaker 2: Biden is an imbecile with the people around him making

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Speaker 2: the decisions. I never made that case about Obama when

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Speaker 2: he was in office. It wasn't oh, the other people.

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Speaker 6: Are running things. No, Obama was an ideologue.

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Speaker 4: I'll get people riled up. I actually think George W.

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Speaker 4: Bush was an awful president because of the war in Iraq.

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Speaker 4: You gotta think long term. And that's why I don't

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Speaker 4: when you say, like, hey, I think the three worst

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Speaker 4: American presidents were all in the last forty years.

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Speaker 6: I think he's a top three bad president.

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Speaker 4: You know. But I'm just saying, like the war in Iraq.

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Speaker 4: To me, if you mentioned LBJ, if you get people

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Speaker 4: into a war based on a false premise, the idea

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Speaker 4: of weapons of mass destruction arguably create a situation.

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Speaker 5: I mean, is Iraq. I mean you you you went over.

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Speaker 4: Is Iraq any better now than it was after we

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Speaker 4: spent trillions of dollars?

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Speaker 5: Like, do you think that the iraqis?

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Speaker 6: It's like it's a little better.

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure trillions of dollars and thousands of US

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Speaker 2: lives worth it better, but it's a little better than

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Speaker 2: would you rather have Afghanistan is basically no.

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Speaker 5: Better but no no better at all.

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Speaker 2: Right, you just killed a bunch of battle Kainda guys,

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Speaker 2: but they're training over there right now.

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Speaker 4: If you asked, right now, would you rather have all

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Speaker 4: the trillions of dollars we spend in Afghanistan in Iraq

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Speaker 4: back in the United States to just to take off

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Speaker 4: the national debt right now and certainly have all the lives?

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Speaker 4: Or would you rather have what happened in Afghanistan in

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Speaker 4: Iraq as we say here today. I think almost no

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Speaker 4: life and money well spent. That to me is why

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Speaker 4: I look at George W. Bush and say, now it's

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Speaker 4: unmitigated disease.

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Speaker 2: I think, I think George W. Bush then he falls

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Speaker 2: into my analysis of Carter, which is a well intentioned

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Speaker 2: man and a patriot who made really bad decisions and

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Speaker 1: Sunday, hang with Clay and.

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Speaker 4: Bucks best and worst Presidents. We're going to start on

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Speaker 4: the sunny side of the mountain, and we are going

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Speaker 4: to begin here with our best presidents, just the top three,

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Speaker 4: the gold, the silver, and the bronze medalist of American

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Speaker 4: presidential history. And I'll give you my list, by the way,

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Speaker 4: eight hundred and two two eight eight two. Buck will

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Speaker 4: give you his list, and then we'll take calls on best.

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Speaker 4: Bottom of the show, will do worst. All right, my

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Speaker 4: best I named one of my sons after him, so

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Speaker 4: that's probably a sign that he's at the top of

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Speaker 4: my list. I've got Abraham Lincoln as the best president

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Speaker 4: in American political history, number one, the gold medal winner

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Speaker 4: for me, Abraham Lincoln. I think Buck not only a

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Speaker 4: tremendous president, probably also the only literary genius who has

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Speaker 4: ever been president of the United States. That is, back

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Speaker 4: when presidents actually wrote their own speeches. You go read

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Speaker 4: the Gettysburg Address. You go read Abraham Lincoln's second inaugural address.

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Speaker 4: It is poetry of a level that does not exist

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Speaker 4: in American politics today. And it came directly from the

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Speaker 6: So now section we.

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Speaker 5: Should I go one, two, three or should we go

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Speaker 5: back and forth?

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Speaker 6: Let's go back and forth? All right, who do you have?

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Speaker 5: Number one?

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Speaker 6: It's it's it's boring, but the goat is still the goat.

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Speaker 6: George Washington.

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Speaker 2: It's like the movie that started the whole franchise, put

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Speaker 2: it all in motion. Incredible to hold the army to

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Speaker 2: at that point in time, and then to walk away

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Speaker 2: The combination of military and then political acumen and skill

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Speaker 2: personal courage too. We don't think about this that often.

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Speaker 2: A couple of things go differently. George Washington is hanging

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Speaker 2: by his neck from a you know, from a yard

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Speaker 2: that guy was really taking real risks, not just on

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Speaker 2: off the battlefield anyway. All of the British did. The British

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Speaker 2: were shady back then. Now we think of them because

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Speaker 2: day they were they could be very mean.

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Speaker 6: All right. Number two for.

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Speaker 4: Me, I'm I'm seconding your number one. I've got George

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Speaker 4: Washington set the precedent. We just laid it out. Why

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Speaker 4: I've got Lincoln one, Washington too.

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Speaker 5: Who do you have to Oh?

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Speaker 6: I got Ronald Reagan. Oh that is strong. I look

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Speaker 6: defeated the evil empire of the Soviet Union. I don't

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Speaker 6: know how.

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Speaker 2: I don't know how much better you could to me

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Speaker 2: the people that prevent because this is gonna be a

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Speaker 2: like that gets you.

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Speaker 6: That gets you a lot of.

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Speaker 2: Browdie points, right, That gets you really far in life.

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Speaker 2: And so I think, Yeah, for me, it's it's Ronald

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Speaker 2: Reagan at number two, and I think I'm gonna surprise

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Speaker 5: All right.

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Speaker 4: My third is, uh is I think Thomas Jefferson you

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Speaker 4: talked about to me the Foundation bucks wrinkling his face.

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Speaker 4: Look when you look at the history of Jefferson for

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Speaker 4: the Declaration of Independence, and then the Louisiana purchase, which

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Speaker 4: I think is probably the single most significant and consequential

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Speaker 4: and I've talked about the Lewis and Clark expedition and

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Speaker 4: how much I loved that.

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Speaker 2: Are are you a big James Monroe fan? James Monroe

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Speaker 2: doesn't get all the love that he deserves.

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Speaker 4: I think, Well, I'm not antie James Monroe. I'm pro Jefferson.

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Speaker 4: So my top three Lincoln, Washington, Jefferson. Little bit old school,

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Speaker 4: I get it. Nobody is on this list prior to

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Speaker 4: what eighteen sixty five for me, But those would be

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Speaker 4: my trio of the best ever American presidents.

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Speaker 5: All right, who's your third?

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Speaker 2: I mean, I just I like to throw Monroe in

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Speaker 2: ten guy for me, but you know, he's kind of

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Speaker 2: a badass in his own way. There's some really good

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Speaker 2: stuff James and Row doesn't really get the respect that

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Speaker 2: he deserves. You know, was a personal courage. Anyway, He's

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Speaker 2: he's probably in like the twenty to thirty or you know,

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Speaker 2: maybe fifteen to twenty range for me of presidents. But

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Speaker 2: I just was thinking about him as you're talking about Lousiana.

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Speaker 2: Purchase Number three is Calvin Coolidge.

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Speaker 5: Silent.

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Speaker 2: Cal just don't mess it up. Let the American people

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Speaker 2: do what they do. Don't be a tyrant, don't get

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Speaker 2: cal if you're looking at the vision of the founders,

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Speaker 2: cal Calvin Coolidge should get a lot of love.

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Speaker 5: All right.

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Speaker 4: Should we take a couple of calls here and get

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Speaker 4: some more of our So you got our top three.

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Speaker 2: He's the only president. So for those of you're saying no,

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Speaker 2: that's crazy, he's also the only president who went to

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Speaker 2: I used to party in Coolidge Dorm named for him

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Speaker 4: I will say this, your top three is going to

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Speaker 4: set tugs wagging way more than my top three.

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Speaker 5: In my top.

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Speaker 4: Three, most of you out there, nobody's really going to

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Speaker 2: Thomas Jefferson amazing talented founding father brilliant all that stuff.

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Speaker 6: Once the French Revolution comes.

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Speaker 2: Along, though, if you read Thatferson he was like an

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Speaker 6: He had lost it, my friend. He was really uh.

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Speaker 2: He didn't get what was going on over there in

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Speaker 4: He was just what Secretary of State during the during

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Speaker 4: the French Revolution? Right, I believe I'm remembering that correctly. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: But as president, he was a big fan.

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Speaker 2: Even as the guillotines were wrapping down, chopping off heads,

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Speaker 6: Wasn't good, folks.

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Speaker 2: I hate to be the one that says it, but

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Speaker 2: I don't love Jefferson the way some of you.

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Speaker 4: I got people. I got people fired up. We were

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Speaker 4: talking about best generals. Now I've got Washington at two

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he was a He was a good general. If

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Speaker 2: you think of America as an insurgency, he's a bad general.

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Speaker 2: If you think of wins and losses in combat in

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Speaker 4: Every battle that he made sickly fought almost for the

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Speaker 5: But he kept the revolution the.

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Speaker 2: Military together, yes, in a way that I think the

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Speaker 2: So that's the part of it that, as we see

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Speaker 2: most important precedent that Washington set was giving up power.

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Speaker 2: Unheard of throughout the annals of history for someone to

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Speaker 4: Super emotional about those opinions. I think I think he's run.

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Speaker 6: First World War. A lot of Americans died that war.

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Speaker 2: The whole League of Nations thing collapse World War Two follows.

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Speaker 6: You know, I think it's tough.

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Speaker 2: All right, well, we can't positives for you, Buck, two

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Speaker 2: guys that are off mind.

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Speaker 4: I want to be positive here. Eisenhower and Truman don't

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Speaker 4: get necessarily a lot of attention.

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Speaker 5: Truman really in.

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Speaker 4: The rebuilding of Europe and the Marshall Plan and everything

447
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Speaker 4: associated with that, making what I think is one of

448
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Speaker 4: the toughest calls in the history of the United States

449
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Speaker 4: that we were going to drop the bomb in Japan.

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Speaker 4: Eisenhower you go look historically Buck for a two term president.

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Speaker 4: I'm not sure anybody has ever been more popular as

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Speaker 4: president of the United States than Eisenhower was, universally.

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Speaker 2: Believe, and actually moved the ball further when it was

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Speaker 2: harder on civil rights. Then later on LBJ came in

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Speaker 2: when it was actually politically expedient for him to do

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Speaker 2: what he did. But anyway, that's a whole other.

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Speaker 4: I got the interstate system done. I mean, Eisenhower, what

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Speaker 4: he was able to accomplish in the wake of World

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Speaker 4: War Two was pretty frigging incredible. Jennifer in Texas, who

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Speaker 4: you got?

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Speaker 7: Okay, so sports to the worst one, Woodrow Wilson, because

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Speaker 7: of what Buck said. And then the next one is

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Speaker 7: going to be I'm sorry, Biden and Obama, which are

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Speaker 7: basically the same. And then the third one is Andrew

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Speaker 7: Jackson because he's head of the Democratic He made the

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Speaker 7: Democratic Party what it is today.

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Speaker 5: Thanks for the call.

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Speaker 4: They hate Andrew Jackson, by the way, distant relative of

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Speaker 4: mind Buck Hermitage and Old Hickory, Tennessee. They hate him

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Speaker 4: because of the trail of tears. So they've taken they

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Speaker 4: used to have the Jefferson Jackson Day dinners. They've now

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Speaker 4: taken Andrew Jackson's name off of many of those Jefferson

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Speaker 4: Jackson Day dinners, and I bet they'll take Jefferson off

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Speaker 4: at some point because he was a slaveholder. That's where

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Speaker 4: they are trying to erase history. Carmen in La what

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Speaker 4: you got for us?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? My three worst James Buchanan, Andrew Johnson, Herbert Hoover.

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Speaker 5: Thank you.

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Speaker 4: Look either side of Lincoln, definite mess. I had a history.

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Speaker 5: He can say.

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Speaker 2: This is This is something I've been thinking about because

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Speaker 2: if you think of the worst presidents, there is this,

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Speaker 2: there's a string, there's kind of a run up. What

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Speaker 2: you got, you got, fillmore and then Pierce and then

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Speaker 2: you get to Buchanan. Right, I'm doing this for memory.

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Speaker 2: I think that's right.

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Speaker 6: You know, they weren't a tough spot.

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Speaker 2: Those that they weren't very effective, but you know they're

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Speaker 2: trying to get the uh you know what the Kansas

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Speaker 2: Nebraska Act. Things settle, they got Missouri Compromise and then

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Speaker 2: you get you know what happened with the territories of

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Speaker 2: the Mexican American War.

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Speaker 6: You look at all that stuff.

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Speaker 2: It wasn't an you know, I'm just saying it wasn't

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Speaker 2: an easy place to be in for those presidents in

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Speaker 2: the run up, such that they were ineffectual. And we

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Speaker 2: really don't even we think of things that happened during

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Speaker 2: those presidencies. We don't think of those presidents at all.

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Speaker 2: In well American history classes. It barely comes up. Like

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Speaker 2: he asked people about film, wore you asked people about Peers.

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Speaker 2: He went to Boden. That's all you need to know

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Speaker 2: about him. It was Boden people out there, not an

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Speaker 2: amateurs guy.

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Speaker 4: I had a history teacher who made an interesting argument,

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Speaker 4: and his argument was, if Abraham Lincoln doesn't get assassinated,

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Speaker 4: he ends up getting impeached because he would not have

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Speaker 4: been nasty enough to the Southern States for the radical

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Speaker 4: Republicans after the war ended. Remember Andrew Johnson obviously got impeached.

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Speaker 4: He was a Tennessee and who took over for Lincoln.

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Speaker 4: A lot of people forget Lincoln changed his vice presidential pick.

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Speaker 5: Anyway.

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Speaker 4: I I think history is fun not only for what happened,

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Speaker 4: but by thinking about what might have happened. With just

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Speaker 4: a subtle twist. Brian and Tampa quickly what you got?

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Speaker 8: Yes, did you hear me, Yeah, we got just that Trump,

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Speaker 8: and then the worst three to me is Woodrow Wilson,

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Speaker 8: the Federal Reserve Act LBJ, and of course Obama. The

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Speaker 8: worst of all time is Obama.

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Speaker 2: I mean, Obama's in my top five for bad presidents.

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Speaker 2: I would say, I think that did a lot of

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Speaker 2: damage to the country in a lot of ways. Maybe

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Speaker 2: top ten, but the others I obviously totally agree with Clay.

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Speaker 8: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Look, I'm trying to be a history guy and take

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Speaker 4: my time and sit back and allow fifty years to pass.

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Speaker 4: But there are certainly there's an argument to be made

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Speaker 4: that we've had a lot of bad presidents in recent vintage.

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Speaker 4: I just don't think like we had one guy call

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Speaker 4: in and say all three of the worst presidents we've

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Speaker 4: ever had in the last forty years. I don't necessarily

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Speaker 4: that we've had some bad ones.

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Speaker 1: Though Sunday Sizzle with Clay and Buck.

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Speaker 2: No, not many surprises. I mean, I think any there's

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Speaker 2: pretty universal agreement on the right. I would say for

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Speaker 2: the top ten worst and the top ten best. Right,

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Speaker 2: that's and then you're just moving around where you know

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Speaker 2: who's number three or you know, I get it right?

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Speaker 2: I mean, someone said oh, Buck, you shouldn't put Calvin

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Speaker 2: Coolidget number three. You should put Lincoln there. I'd be like,

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Speaker 2: all right, you know, Clay put Link in the top three,

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Speaker 2: like I could, I could see that. I'm not, you know,

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Speaker 2: We're it's a very subjective, very subjective list. But subjective

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Speaker 2: lists are fun, you know. It's like best action movie

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Speaker 2: from the nineteen eighties, nineteen nineties, like you can come.

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Speaker 6: Up with a whole lot.

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Speaker 8: Oh.

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Speaker 6: This matters a bit more.

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Speaker 2: Though, because it's about the history of the country, and

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Speaker 2: it also tells us something about our politics I think today.

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Speaker 2: So we had this was interesting, Michael best Schlass. We

551
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Speaker 2: said that there was clearly something going on with this

552
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Speaker 2: is these experts of presidential history who said that Trump

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Speaker 2: was the worst president in history on this list, the worst. Yes,

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Speaker 2: I didn't even say. I didn't say that Joe Biden

555
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Speaker 2: was the worst. Joe Biden is not responsible for, you know,

556
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Speaker 2: inability to prevent the nation from sliding into a war

557
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Speaker 2: that took what six hundred thousand lives. I mean, you know,

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Speaker 2: I didn't tell they're they're worst presidents than Joe Biden.

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Speaker 2: I'm not living in fantasy land. They though, with Trump

560
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:32,359
Speaker 2: are living in fantasy land. They're they're crazy, And Michael

561
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Speaker 2: Beschloss went after well. First off, joy read of Michael Beschloss,

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Speaker 2: who's a presidential historian. UH talked about how there are

563
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Speaker 2: so many US presidents ranked the top ten who were

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Speaker 2: get ready for it, racist play eleven.

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Speaker 5: Do you agree with these rankings?

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Speaker 9: I'd have some differences. For instance, Theodore Roosevelt. I don't

567
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Speaker 9: know when historians are going to wake up to the

568
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Speaker 9: fact that the guy was terribly racist rhetoric, very white

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Speaker 9: supreme the nineteen twelve Theodore Roosevelt Progressive Party of Bullmoo's

570
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:08,720
Speaker 9: platform was for segregation of the races in America. And

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Speaker 9: as far as Andrew Jackson is concerned, it shows that,

572
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Speaker 9: you know, historians can do the right thing. It takes

573
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Speaker 9: us a while. He was president in the early nineteenth century,

574
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Speaker 9: but we now given what people are justifiably more sensitive to.

575
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Speaker 9: This was the guy who did too Native Americans, who

576
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Speaker 9: was responsible for the trail of tears, and he was

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Speaker 9: a slaveholder. Why should he be that high on the list?

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Speaker 4: What are you making with Clay This Of all the

579
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Speaker 4: arguments out there, Buck, this infuriates me maybe the most. Yes,

580
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Speaker 4: Thomas Jefferson and George Washington, and Andrew Jackson and many

581
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Speaker 4: other of our founding fathers and early presidents were slaveholders.

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Speaker 4: They wore products of their time. They were imperfect, They

583
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Speaker 4: were flawed, just as you and me and every other

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Speaker 4: person out there who is sitting around here. In twenty

585
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Speaker 4: twenty four, two hundred years from now, people are going

586
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Speaker 4: to look at some of the things that we did,

587
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Speaker 4: if society continues and we continue to evolve, and they

588
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Speaker 4: will say, oh, my goodness, can you believe that Clay

589
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Speaker 4: Travis and Buck Sexton and you and everybody else out

590
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Speaker 4: there did things that everybody else did that we now

591
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Speaker 4: consider to be unacceptable. That doesn't mean that we're not

592
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Speaker 4: trying to be the best version of ourselves in the

593
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Speaker 4: current world in which we live.

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Speaker 6: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Maybe in a thousand years people think of us as

596
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Speaker 2: Socrates on the radio. They'd be like, so much wisdom

597
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Speaker 2: for three hours a day. People could just tune in

598
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Speaker 2: anytime they want. That should be my new soccer Sille

599
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Speaker 2: in the radio.

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Speaker 6: I like that.

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Speaker 4: I would love that Socrates on the radio. Let me

602
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Speaker 4: also play though, Michael Beschlos, Remember this is the same

603
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Speaker 4: guy who went on MSNBC and said that if Republicans

604
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Speaker 4: won the twenty twenty two midterms, that this might be

605
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Speaker 4: the last free election we have and that there were

606
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Speaker 4: going to be people maybe getting lined up and shot

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Speaker 4: based on their political opinions. Listen to this cut, which

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Speaker 4: we also have with him, and this is important, Buck,

609
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Speaker 4: because I do think this is what we were saying yesterday.

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Speaker 4: It's not only that they have Trump as the worst president.

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Speaker 4: It's that they have Biden as a really good president,

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Speaker 4: and they have Obama ranked really highly. And the reason

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Speaker 4: why they do that is many of their sources worked

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Speaker 4: in those administrations and they're afraid of upsetting people. This

615
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Speaker 4: is why I said, you can't really judge a president

616
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Speaker 4: until everybody who was in that presidential administration has basically died,

617
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Speaker 4: and we can look at it in a historical context.

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Speaker 4: But this is how broken some of the brains are

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Speaker 4: of these people. Listen to Bechelos. This is a historian

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Speaker 4: and imminent scholar of our nation saying, hey, if Republicans

621
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Speaker 4: win in the mid terms, people are going to get

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Speaker 4: lined up and shot.

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Speaker 9: Listen, we could be six days away from losing our

624
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Speaker 9: rule of law and losing a situation where we have

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Speaker 9: elections that we all can rely on. You know, those

626
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Speaker 9: are the foundation stones of a democracy. And a historian

627
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Speaker 9: fifty years from now, if historians are allowed to ride

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Speaker 9: in this country, and if there are still free publishing

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Speaker 9: houses and a free press, which I'm not certain of,

630
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Speaker 9: but if that is true, a historian will say what

631
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Speaker 9: was at stake tonight and this week was the fact

632
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Speaker 9: whether we will be a democracy in the future, whether

633
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Speaker 9: our children will be arrested and conceivably killed. We're on

634
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Speaker 9: the edge of a brutal authoritarian system and it could

635
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Speaker 9: be a week away.

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Speaker 2: I think he needs to eat some red meat and

637
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:38,120
Speaker 2: go for a walk in the sunshine. I mean, honestly,

638
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 2: like this guy, I think he's suffering from some testosterone

639
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:44,200
Speaker 2: deficiency or something. I mean, who could really believe this stuff?

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Speaker 1: Well?

641
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Speaker 4: And I mean you mentioned this also with who's the

642
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Speaker 4: individual who's buddies now with not Bechelos, but the guy.

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Speaker 6: Meetchim on MSNBC. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Meetchim lives down the road for me in Nashville and

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Speaker 4: has been I've read a lot of his books historically.

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Speaker 4: When I read about something he wrote two hundred years ago,

647
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Speaker 4: I think to myself, Okay, this guy has a decent perspective.

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Speaker 4: His analysis is not totally out of whack. What you

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Speaker 4: see is the present day totally is destructive to most historians'

650
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Speaker 4: ability to analyze the present day. You need space, you

651
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Speaker 4: need distance, you need oftentimes a lot of the people

652
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Speaker 4: who were the luminaries who were actually alive to have

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Speaker 4: passed on until you can consider them in the larger context.

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Speaker 4: And that's why we don't even know what the impact

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Speaker 4: of many of the people in the last twenty years

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Speaker 4: who've been President's truly going to be for another fifty years.

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Speaker 4: The funniest thing I've seen about Joy Reed lately is

658
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Speaker 4: she claims to hate Trump, but she seems to be

659
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Speaker 4: trying to copy his hairstyle. Have you seen Joy Reid

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Speaker 4: now with the super blonde hair side by side with

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Speaker 4: Donald Trump? I think maybe she's falling in love with Trump.

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Speaker 4: She claims to hate him, The reality is she wants

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Speaker 4: to have the same hairstyle. And she also came out

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Speaker 4: recently Buck did you see, and said that she wants reparations.

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Speaker 4: And then many people kind of did the research and

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Speaker 4: they said, wait a minute, Joy Reid's parents are immigrants.

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Speaker 4: She spent no time in America having to deal with

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Speaker 4: the legacy of slavery. Leaving aside the absurdity of the

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Speaker 4: idea of reparations, the idea of someone coming to America

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Speaker 4: in the last thirty or forty years and claiming that

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Speaker 4: she is entitled to reparations for what happened is absolutely bonkers.

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Speaker 4: And again, I'm not sure where Trump is going to rank.

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Speaker 4: I feel very confident that he's going to rank above

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Speaker 4: Joe Biden, and I think Joe Biden's going to be

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Speaker 4: a one term president. But the idea that you can

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Speaker 4: rank somebody in real time with absolute certainty, everybody out

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Speaker 4: there should just be asking yourself the questions, Wait a minute,

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Speaker 4: Trump's the worst president of all time according to these historians,

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Speaker 4: other than COVID, which Trump had absolutely nothing to do with.

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Speaker 4: What could you really point to buck pre Covid? Right

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Speaker 4: four years ago, at this time, COVID was just starting

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Speaker 4: to kind of percolate up. But pre COVID, what could

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Speaker 4: you point to and say Trump did an awful job

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Speaker 4: on Again, he didn't cause COVID. And I think many

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Speaker 4: of you out there are like bucking me. You wish

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Speaker 4: that he had done a better job with covid. But

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Speaker 4: what can you point to that he actually created or

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Speaker 4: responded to that was bad in any way pre covid.

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Speaker 5: I can't.

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Speaker 4: I honestly can't even point to to anything out there