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Speaker 1: Just opening your relationship always destroy us.

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Speaker 2: Today we're gonna find out.

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Speaker 1: Three Okay Storytime fans submitted stories about them spacing up

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Speaker 1: their relationships with other people. Throughout this episode, we'll interrogate

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Speaker 1: our fans and.

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Speaker 2: At the end, guess which couple lot of them three

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Speaker 2: actually stayed together.

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Speaker 1: I'm marrying my high school sweetheart, but we also want

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Speaker 1: an open relationship. So it's coming from kyl Thar and

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Speaker 1: they say. We met in high school during my junior

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Speaker 1: year and his senior year, where were each others first

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Speaker 1: for almost everything that is cute in classic high school.

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Speaker 1: As we grew together as young adults, we began to

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Speaker 1: question our sexualities. So about three years into our relationship,

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Speaker 1: we talked about opening our relationship to explore more about ourselves.

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Speaker 1: So we decided to dip our toes into the world

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Speaker 1: of non monogamy by hopping onto Reddit and joining swinger communities.

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Speaker 3: You literally just look up our slash, your state that

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Speaker 3: you're in, and then swingers.

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Speaker 1: Through these suburds, we found couples who we spicy texted

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Speaker 1: and even met up with to soft swap spicy activities

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Speaker 1: without penetration. However, about two years into swinging and becoming

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Speaker 1: an engaged couple. We realized that we have very different

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Speaker 1: types in terms of who we consider attractive, so it

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Speaker 1: became very difficult to find a couple we were both

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Speaker 1: satisfied with. This is when my partner suggested we open

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Speaker 1: our relationships to have separate experiences with our respective types,

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Speaker 1: to be more true to ourselves and really honed down

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Speaker 1: on what we liked individually. What were your different types?

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Speaker 3: His type was more feminine qualities. I figured out that

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Speaker 3: I was attracted to CIS females and CIS males. There

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Speaker 3: was one couple that fit this perfectly. What's the thing is?

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Speaker 3: They live like eight hours away from us.

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Speaker 1: So were you making an eight hour commute?

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Speaker 3: Well, we met halfway for like a weekend hours.

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Speaker 2: Oh.

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Speaker 1: My pardner and I agreed to be fully open to

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Speaker 1: spicy text whoever we want. I love the communication, but

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Speaker 1: he insisted that we only experiment in person with members

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Speaker 2: So, Cather, you could only be with other women.

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Speaker 1: Cather's nodding progressively, not aggressively. Just We also preemptively began

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Speaker 1: seeing a couple's therapists to keep a line of communication working.

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Speaker 1: Oh wow, look, preventive measures We also laid down some

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Speaker 1: boundaries surrounding this new territory.

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Speaker 2: I can't see what's going wrong? Oh like no, like truly,

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Speaker 2: I'm not even being sarcastic.

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Speaker 1: Number One, while we were not physically exclusive, we were

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Speaker 1: expected to be emotionally exclusive to each other only Two.

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Speaker 1: If either one of us was uncomfortable with someone the

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Speaker 1: other was seeing, we would cut contact immediately. Great And

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Speaker 1: Three our belongings remained ours and were not to be

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Speaker 1: shared with others, i e. Our bed, clothes, personal items,

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Speaker 2: I am a question, yeah, me to was the agreement

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Speaker 3: We have a spare bedroom that we have a foot on.

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Speaker 1: Got destroyed. And four, if and when we have issues

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Speaker 1: or arguments within our relationship, never go to our friends

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Speaker 1: with benefits about these issues. That's a great rule too. Well.

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Speaker 1: I had a few people I spicy texted. I didn't

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Speaker 1: care too much to meet up with anyone, but my

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Speaker 1: partner was thrilled with his newfound spicy sleep freedom. He

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Speaker 1: with benefits that he met up with fairly regularly. From

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Speaker 1: my understanding, they would go out and spend the day together,

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Speaker 1: then wind down with spicy activities before going separate ways.

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Speaker 1: That sounds like a date.

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Speaker 4: Sounds like a date with the with the emotional side.

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Speaker 4: You couldn't like fall in love or anything. That's like

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Speaker 1: Yeah really and that's just the fall in love. But

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Speaker 1: will that stop Cawthur's partner. Can clear boundaries get muddied

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Speaker 1: up by the desires of the flesh. Let's know in

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Speaker 1: guest who story is I cheated on my dream girl,

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Speaker 1: so she opened the relationship, but I think it's a mistake.

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Speaker 1: It was late in the summer, same old day at work,

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Speaker 1: and then Ellie walked through the doors into the back

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Speaker 1: no free promo. Ellie's hair fell to her waist in

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Speaker 1: charts with converse. She left after a long flirtatious interaction

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Speaker 1: as I switched out the new parts for her setup.

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Speaker 1: As she walked away, I held a small piece of

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Speaker 1: seven xes following her signature. If you know, that's so cute?

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Speaker 4: No, not seven xes, seven xesing smoothses.

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Speaker 1: Wait do you know what? So excesses kisses no pilgrim

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Speaker 1: versus the world? I was hooked and a swift, intense

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Speaker 2: That's such a.

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Speaker 1: Cute, But there was a problem, so wrecking cute. That

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Speaker 1: romance started quickly, too quickly. I just ended emotionally and

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Speaker 1: physically abusive relationship, and due to my ex'es reluctance to

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Speaker 1: lease was up, which was at least six months. But

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Speaker 1: that is a story for another day. So you're living

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Speaker 2: So one of the seven evil exes that she used

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Speaker 1: In the house at least supported me as much as

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Speaker 1: she could before she left for university. While she was

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Speaker 1: at university and I was alone, and I did the

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Speaker 1: unthinkable as a means to escape my ex in my

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Speaker 1: apartment And I wait, is it your ex? Currently?

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Speaker 5: Well, I was seeing Ellie. I was also staying over

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Speaker 1: God, I see, so you were seeing Ellie, but because

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Speaker 1: things were so bad with your ex fiance that you

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Speaker 1: You were kind of like hobosexual in it.

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Speaker 2: Yes, it's great, I love it.

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Speaker 6: I agree.

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Speaker 1: Noted all right, I think I'm not. I heard it

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Speaker 1: like two days ago. Anyway. Riddled with guilt, I sent

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Speaker 1: hear what she wanted from me. So this is kind

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Speaker 1: of like a last ditch effort to save Save the

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Speaker 1: skater girl, Save the skater girl. See it. My fight

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Speaker 2: Oh my god.

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Speaker 1: After walking away and getting taken to the hospital with

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Speaker 1: Ellie's and taken to her apartment. I don't remember much

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Speaker 1: about the six months after our accident, but I do

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Speaker 1: remember why we opened our relationship. What Okay, I have

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Speaker 1: so many questions. We're gonna keep going, but I have

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Speaker 1: so many questions. She told me she had a dream

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Speaker 1: where I appeared above her in all whites, but as

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Speaker 1: she called to me, I wouldn't respond. Okay, this story

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Speaker 1: is making me think it's them. Maybe their relationship was

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Speaker 1: safe because literally you appeared as an angel and Ellie's dream,

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Speaker 2: You survived a horrible car accident and then appeared as

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Speaker 2: an angel. This has to work out.

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Speaker 1: This has to work out. But also, Calthar had such

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't respond. She got up and grabbed me above

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Speaker 1: then woke up to my phone call. I was telling

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Speaker 1: to her. Honestly, Savage was like, Hey, I just rolled

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Speaker 1: in a second. After arriving, I told her with everything

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Speaker 1: I was going through getting away from my ex and

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Speaker 1: nearly dying while facing the guilt of cheating her, I

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Speaker 1: explained that I wasn't ready to be in a monogamous relationship,

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Speaker 1: and for some reason, to this day, I can't fathom

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Speaker 1: why she didn't want to lose me. I'm not sure

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Speaker 1: why I was so lucky, but Ellie stayed and we

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Speaker 1: continued a poly relationship. Had an amazing time experimenting. Ellie

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Speaker 1: dated separate people. I did the same and it was

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Speaker 1: going well. Okay, so this is how we officially have

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Speaker 1: opened the relationship. We were able to foster multiple enjoyable

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Speaker 1: were times when we as a couple dated one person. Okay,

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Speaker 1: So it seems like Hope and Ellie are kind of

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Speaker 1: expanding the what an open relationship in a poly relationship

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Speaker 1: could be an experiment.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, not that you should ever really guilt anyone, but

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Speaker 2: if you want someone to stay in a relationship with you,

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Speaker 2: getting into a car accident.

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Speaker 1: Effective is effective effective work for hope, but when it

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Speaker 1: came to one on one relationships, we agreed that certain

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Speaker 1: things had to be discussed before anything happened. Things surrounding interest, pursuit,

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Speaker 1: starting relationships, the evolution of relationship, and of course, spicy sleep.

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Speaker 1: This was the understanding that at parties and bars where

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Speaker 1: After about a year and a half of dating, we

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Speaker 2: WHOA WHOA still in a poly relationship?

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Speaker 1: I think so?

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Speaker 1: At one point she was dating one of my best friends, Francine,

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Speaker 1: and we often had or made friendships with the other partners.

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Speaker 1: After leaving university, the number of relationships slowed way down

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Speaker 1: and real life and jobs took over. All the same

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Speaker 1: boundaries were in place, and we still managed to have

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Speaker 1: a good time with friends who frequented the bars with

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it sounds like we had a bump and then

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Speaker 1: Bump in a tumble and like literally a bump, a

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Speaker 1: bump on a rumble and a car wreck. But this

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Speaker 1: So hope, how did you like establish because it seems

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Speaker 1: like the boundaries that you established are working quite well.

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Speaker 1: It kind of just sounds like a fun little friend

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Speaker 2: Which I understand like that feeling for sure, but I

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Speaker 2: Hey, but you know you want you want to feel

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Speaker 1: All is falling out. Let's keep going. So now, something

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Speaker 1: Let's keep going. So one night, while I was spending

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Speaker 2: sleep toys.

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00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:59,320
Speaker 1: So after asking my fiance about them, he casually said

441
00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:01,840
Speaker 1: that he had use them on que the night before.

442
00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:04,400
Speaker 2: I'm angry. I no longer believe in.

443
00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:08,600
Speaker 1: This relationis I was livid and all he had to

444
00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:11,440
Speaker 1: say was that I didn't specify that spicy sleep toys

445
00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:15,400
Speaker 1: fell under the our personal belongings boundary. As you can imagine,

446
00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:18,720
Speaker 1: this did not help with the already festering trust issues

447
00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:22,320
Speaker 1: I had towards my fiance. My already distant demeanor worsened,

448
00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:26,080
Speaker 1: and him simply existing pissed me off. Our bedroom activities

449
00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:28,000
Speaker 1: were not existing at this point, and it drove a

450
00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:31,280
Speaker 1: huge wedge between us. My fiance decided that Q would

451
00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:33,840
Speaker 1: be a great support for this and turned to him

452
00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:36,000
Speaker 1: for advice about a relationship problem.

453
00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:38,120
Speaker 2: Not one of the rules.

454
00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:41,720
Speaker 1: You're knocking every rule down, boyle. The whole reason why

455
00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:43,840
Speaker 1: I had that don't go to friends with benefits for

456
00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:46,760
Speaker 1: support boundary is to prevent friends with benefits with ulterior

457
00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:50,159
Speaker 1: motives from interfering with our relationship. Well, it just so

458
00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:53,240
Speaker 1: how happened that Q had feelings for my fiance, so

459
00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:55,560
Speaker 1: we took all the issues that were shared with him

460
00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:58,199
Speaker 1: and spun them around to make me out to be

461
00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:02,680
Speaker 1: an abusive, controlling partner who needed to be put in

462
00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:05,600
Speaker 1: her place. We're gonna stop the story here. There is

463
00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:06,199
Speaker 1: an update.

464
00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:07,840
Speaker 4: This one I was believing in.

465
00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:15,520
Speaker 1: I was believing so hard whoa jigs really quick.

466
00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:18,560
Speaker 2: We were both believed we were so hard.

467
00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:23,399
Speaker 1: Health are what happened? Not stir fire? Oh my god?

468
00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:28,479
Speaker 1: On the Q situation? What like like what were the

469
00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:31,200
Speaker 1: things that he did that were just like ill?

470
00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:33,879
Speaker 3: So I had one of my friends over and we

471
00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:36,760
Speaker 3: were like napping, and he had walked into the room

472
00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:40,080
Speaker 3: and just kind of stood there, like visibly pissed off,

473
00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:41,920
Speaker 3: and then walked away without saying anything.

474
00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:42,720
Speaker 2: Then you know, I.

475
00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:44,840
Speaker 3: Get up and go downstairs to see what the fuck

476
00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:47,560
Speaker 3: club was, and you know, my filcea was down there

477
00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:50,240
Speaker 3: and he's like, oh, this is q Q menk howthar

478
00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:50,880
Speaker 3: blah blah blah.

479
00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:52,520
Speaker 2: But that was the first time you met.

480
00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:55,840
Speaker 1: Yes, Yeah, he glared at you the first time.

481
00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:58,879
Speaker 3: Yes, I was just kind of like what he was

482
00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:01,640
Speaker 3: just very short and Kurt responses and just like very

483
00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:03,720
Speaker 3: clearly seemed pissed off that I was there, and I

484
00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:07,000
Speaker 3: was just like, you know, home, I'm sharing my partner

485
00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:07,359
Speaker 3: with you.

486
00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:10,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, you should be grateful I paid.

487
00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:12,680
Speaker 2: For that futon. Well that's that's how that.

488
00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:15,800
Speaker 1: Was, Sikes, big red flag. You don't use other people

489
00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:18,000
Speaker 1: spicy sleep toys. But let's move back to Hope who

490
00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:20,840
Speaker 1: hopefully as a little bit more hope in her relationship.

491
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:23,520
Speaker 1: Let's see what happens in this next part of the

492
00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:26,320
Speaker 1: story with Hope. So now all the positivity was more

493
00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:30,440
Speaker 1: of an outward experience. Behind the happy smiles, the relationship

494
00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:34,160
Speaker 1: was struggling. Communication was a bit of a problem. Ellie

495
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:37,320
Speaker 1: would tell me she was pursuing someone after kissing them

496
00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:39,919
Speaker 1: and not before, like we agreed to. We had roles,

497
00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:41,119
Speaker 1: the rules.

498
00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:42,520
Speaker 2: Why does no one listen?

499
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:46,879
Speaker 1: Would also withhold information or hide the evolution of the

500
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:50,520
Speaker 1: relationship due to being uncomfortable confronting either party with all

501
00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:54,720
Speaker 1: the facts. No, Ellie, Ellie, Ellie, you were the dream girl,

502
00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:57,960
Speaker 1: the dream scater girl. Then, at one point Ellie and

503
00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:01,000
Speaker 1: Francine Hope's best friend, and they were going to be

504
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:03,800
Speaker 1: out of town together for about three months on a

505
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:06,960
Speaker 1: work trip. During this time, I explicitly asked for all

506
00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:10,600
Speaker 1: romantic relationships to be cut off. Things did not get

507
00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:13,520
Speaker 1: cut off, and to make things simple going forward, we

508
00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:16,360
Speaker 1: decided that the boundaries of our relationship would be discussed

509
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:19,480
Speaker 1: in person with all potential partners as a group. That

510
00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:22,080
Speaker 1: worked for a while, and then it became an increasingly

511
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:25,320
Speaker 1: bigger problem when I would spend time with my partners,

512
00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:27,119
Speaker 1: some of which she had set me up with, and

513
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:29,440
Speaker 1: she would get incredibly upset and jealous of the deep

514
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:32,359
Speaker 1: conversations and time being spent without her. This sounds like

515
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:36,080
Speaker 1: Hope's just doing what Ellie's doing, but now Ellie's getting mad. Yeah.

516
00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:38,679
Speaker 1: We worked through it and things were manageable. That was

517
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:42,560
Speaker 1: until she flunked out of university and asked me to

518
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:45,320
Speaker 1: drop out too, due to her inability to trust me

519
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:48,560
Speaker 1: around other people because she knew I would cheat on her.

520
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:50,879
Speaker 1: I can honestly say that since I had cheated on

521
00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:52,800
Speaker 1: her in the past, her feelings were valid, and we

522
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:56,120
Speaker 1: left university together. After this, things were manageable and being

523
00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:58,440
Speaker 1: stage hands, we were still able to find a community

524
00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:02,520
Speaker 1: of individuals who understood and participated in open relationships. I, however,

525
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:05,119
Speaker 1: had stopped seeing anyone one on one to focus on

526
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:08,960
Speaker 1: fostering only relationships that included my wife, but she did

527
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:13,359
Speaker 1: not do the same. So basically, Hope is just focusing

528
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 1: on trying to strengthen the relationship. Ellie's kind of seeking

529
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:17,040
Speaker 1: things out.

530
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:21,080
Speaker 2: And is asking a lot from Hope and trout of

531
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:24,600
Speaker 2: That's crazy. The relationships of any sort of you know.

532
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:28,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a big sacrifice. Since my accident, I had

533
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:30,359
Speaker 1: not been allowed to get my license reinstated, and I

534
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:32,760
Speaker 1: started to feel lonely with the number of relationships. She

535
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:35,840
Speaker 1: chose to foster one girl in particular at work. Sarah

536
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:38,359
Speaker 1: and I got along really well and we developed a

537
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:41,320
Speaker 1: fast friendship. As my wife was the only one who drove,

538
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:43,679
Speaker 1: Sarah and I would wait at the bar together for

539
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:45,760
Speaker 1: my wife's shift to end, and we would all have

540
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:48,560
Speaker 1: a drink or two, go our separate ways, rints, and repeat.

541
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:51,800
Speaker 1: After a while of doing this, Sarah and her girlfriend

542
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 1: broke up, and Sarah would hang out at our house

543
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:58,160
Speaker 1: as often as possible. We spoke the Devil's Lettus, complained

544
00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:00,920
Speaker 1: about work, smoke some more Devil's Lettue. Then Ellie and

545
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:03,959
Speaker 1: Sarah started to hang out a lot, and I mean

546
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:05,720
Speaker 1: a lot. Wait, so you all three were hanging out

547
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:06,560
Speaker 1: and then Ellie's like.

548
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:10,560
Speaker 2: Mine, I knew, just clarify, was the relationship still open

549
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:11,120
Speaker 2: at this time?

550
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:14,639
Speaker 1: I think the relationship is still open, but like Hope

551
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:18,240
Speaker 1: focused on relationships that involved all three, and Ellie's just

552
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:21,560
Speaker 1: kind of focusing on like relationships that just involve her

553
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:24,520
Speaker 1: in another person. True is that right, that's true. Okay.

554
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 1: I would get dropped off at work and Ellie would

555
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:30,560
Speaker 1: go to Sarah's apartment the days I worked and they didn't.

556
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:34,320
Speaker 1: They spent the whole shift together and fell asleep watching movies.

557
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:36,919
Speaker 1: And then there was the shoe inside.

558
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 2: Not the shoe incident.

559
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:40,400
Speaker 1: Sarah and I were walking through the bar and her

560
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:43,560
Speaker 1: shoe was untied. So Ellie, seeing this, came over, ropped

561
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 1: to her knee and said, oh no, let me get

562
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 1: that for you, and proceeded to tie her shoe. Ellie

563
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:51,920
Speaker 1: had never not once done that for me, and I

564
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:55,560
Speaker 1: knew that this was another crush. I over was not worried. Wow,

565
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 1: why weren't you worried? We'll ask it a little bit.

566
00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:01,240
Speaker 2: Well, it feels like Hope is still okay with the

567
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:04,720
Speaker 2: kind of open relationship, and it's that's true. It's Ellie

568
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 2: that's getting more jealous in terms of that's true.

569
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 1: I guess yeah, like in Hopes Boocket's like, oh, it's

570
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:10,959
Speaker 1: fine as long as long as all three of us

571
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:14,440
Speaker 1: are involved, totally fine. Sarah had recently started dating Ellie's

572
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 1: bestie at work. Polly relationships are crazy because there's like,

573
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 1: like I'm trying to remember all of the different We

574
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:25,479
Speaker 1: almost need the white board there. There's a lot of

575
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:28,240
Speaker 1: like an intertwining relationships.

576
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 2: All it's all just the same lines.

577
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:33,480
Speaker 1: It's true. So Sarah had recently started dating Ellie's bestie

578
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 1: at work, Howard and Ellie holds friendships on a pedestal,

579
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:38,960
Speaker 1: and she would defend them with her life. On top

580
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 1: of that, Howard was about to sign a least with

581
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:44,000
Speaker 1: us and be our roommate. They just don't mess with

582
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 1: your housing by sleeping with your roommates, girl, Yeah, don't

583
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:50,720
Speaker 1: I feel like someone's gonna poop and sleep where they sleep?

584
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 1: They're gon spicy sleep where they sleep now. A week later,

585
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:57,080
Speaker 1: Howard and Sarah broke up, and Ellie was spending every

586
00:29:57,120 --> 00:30:00,680
Speaker 1: moment at Sarah's apartment that she could. Wait, So Sarah

587
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:04,840
Speaker 1: started dating Howard, and then Howard and Sarah broke up.

588
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 1: But you're going to be living with Howard.

589
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:10,560
Speaker 2: Yes, and Ellie is presumably still hanging out with Sarah.

590
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:13,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that makes it a little complicated. Not a

591
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 1: week later, Howard and Sarah broke up, and Ellie was

592
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:18,120
Speaker 1: spending every moment at Sarah's apartment that she could. Ellie

593
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 1: even let it slip that they had taken naps together. Naps, sure,

594
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:26,000
Speaker 1: not like I think it's more like a NAP's sure,

595
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:31,200
Speaker 1: there we go now. Honestly, I wasn't upset it was happening.

596
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:33,520
Speaker 1: I was just pissed. No one was telling me where

597
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:34,240
Speaker 1: it's communication.

598
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:36,440
Speaker 2: No communication, That's all you asked for.

599
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 1: Ellie and I were still in a poly relationship, and

600
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:41,440
Speaker 1: as long as she talked to me beforehand, it was

601
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 1: considered within the boundaries. A few days later, we officially

602
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 1: signed our lease. In the next day, the world shut

603
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:48,840
Speaker 1: down due to COVID in March twenty twenty.

604
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:50,600
Speaker 2: Oh no, no, you're stuck with hard.

605
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 1: I got a call from corporate to shut down the restaurant,

606
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:55,960
Speaker 1: then to get togethers start at my house. It was

607
00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:58,600
Speaker 1: just the three of us and two of Sarah's sisters,

608
00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:01,600
Speaker 1: but we were together almost all day every day. Things

609
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 1: felt good having all of us hanging out together. Ellie

610
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 1: would go pick up the girls and would find ways

611
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:08,960
Speaker 1: to stay sane. During the first weeks of lockdown, we

612
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:11,719
Speaker 1: all got closer and we became Lockdown buddies.

613
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 2: Wait is Howard there or is it just you Elly

614
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:14,320
Speaker 2: and Sane?

615
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:14,840
Speaker 6: Oh?

616
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 1: Howard never moved in Howard never moved in.

617
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:19,880
Speaker 5: Howard was pretty much like, something's going on. I'm not

618
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:20,320
Speaker 5: moving in.

619
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:23,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, so how is that? I don't want to get

620
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 1: mixed up and we're I was going on there, Yeah,

621
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 1: I don't want I want to have my distance. But

622
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 1: then it kind of ended up being okay because you

623
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 1: guys were all walking down it was kind of fun. Yeah, okay, okay.

624
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:39,600
Speaker 2: I'm sometimes being trapped inside for you know, a couple

625
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:40,480
Speaker 2: a year or two.

626
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:43,800
Speaker 1: So Howard pieced out of the situation, leaving Hope, Ellie,

627
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:47,160
Speaker 1: and Sarah to be lockdown buddies. But is Rachel still

628
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:50,480
Speaker 1: buddies with Sally? After the threesome with an audience, How's

629
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 1: Jack gonna feel about Sally? Well, let's find out by

630
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:57,360
Speaker 1: jumping into Rachel's fallout. Rachel was dating Sally, just me.

631
00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:00,480
Speaker 1: Jack was also very close to Sally, and all three

632
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 1: of us worked together for a couple of years before

633
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:05,600
Speaker 1: Sally and I started dating, so it wasn't too unfamiliar,

634
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:08,720
Speaker 1: so everyone was kind of Sally. Everyone knew Sally. One evening,

635
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:10,960
Speaker 1: we were all at a party house, which we all

636
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 1: frequented regularly. I unfortunately made the mistake of approaching the

637
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 1: host girl about her current boyfriend being far more than

638
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 1: friendly with me tonight. Then they would have been on

639
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:24,760
Speaker 1: countless occasion, so basically they're being a little bit more

640
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 1: friendly than usual. We'd all been drinking a lot at

641
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 1: this point, so later in the evening, when I did

642
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:31,239
Speaker 1: approach her and tried to let her know that her

643
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 1: boyfriend was being a bit too friendly, she lashed out

644
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 1: on me, screaming, yeah, well, Jack has been looking up

645
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 1: for Sally and bringing Sally to parties behind your back

646
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 1: for a year.

647
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 3: I'm people are sneaky and open, right.

648
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 1: Well, you don't have to be.

649
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 2: You don't have to be.

650
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 1: This totally threw me for a whirl and really confused me.

651
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:55,720
Speaker 1: As we're in an open relationships. They didn't need to

652
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 1: be sneaking around at all. Why, As we agreed to,

653
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 1: the rule is just ask for permission, So if any

654
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:04,240
Speaker 1: partner in the relationship wanted to see other people, all

655
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 1: they had to do was ask. So keeping this a

656
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 1: secret from me was bizarre, to say the least. I

657
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:12,720
Speaker 1: absolutely lost it then because I had a few drinks

658
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:14,960
Speaker 1: and was feeling betrayed at a bit of an altercation

659
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:18,400
Speaker 1: with both Jack and Sally, and eventually brought Sally into

660
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 1: their bathroom to interrogate her and learn more about the situation. Again,

661
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 1: all they need to do was ask, so sneaking around

662
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 1: was very strange. After some questioning, I decided that ending

663
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 1: things with both partners at this time was the best

664
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 1: call for me. Not long after, I eventually tried to

665
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 1: reconnect with Sally, only to find that they had very

666
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:39,560
Speaker 1: recently slept with someone who I at the time thought

667
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 1: was my best friend. Oh my god, the follow is crazy.

668
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:45,320
Speaker 1: There's an entire story on that person in it of

669
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 1: a self, but that's for another time. We're to go

670
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:51,680
Speaker 1: to the reveal in a little bit, but right now

671
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:58,520
Speaker 1: it feels like pretty hopeless. It feels pretty hopeless. So

672
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 1: I'm not completely on Rachel for continuing the relationship because

673
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 1: it seems like it's it's done.

674
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 2: It seems like it's over.

675
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:08,680
Speaker 1: And I don't see any way back. But what I

676
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 1: do see is maybe a comment on who you think

677
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:14,360
Speaker 1: stayed together. It's time the guests is a cawthar the

678
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:16,760
Speaker 1: cauther and cute just get off on the wrong foot.

679
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 1: Maybe Hope's lockdown situation will carry their open relationship to

680
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:24,080
Speaker 1: success or can Rachel forgive the betrayal that she went through.

681
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 1: That's fine. Now I don't think it's Rachel, because I

682
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 1: don't think it's Rachel. Rachel. Your story is crazy, I do.

683
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:32,920
Speaker 1: At the beginning, I was like, oh, it feels like

684
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:33,759
Speaker 1: anything could go.

685
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 2: Yeah. I feel like there was communication. Everyone's on board.

686
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 1: Everyone not like not only was everyone on board, but

687
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:42,479
Speaker 1: it was like, like I feel like they were very

688
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:46,320
Speaker 1: comfortable with almost anything happening. It was just like, communicate

689
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 1: what's happening. So I'm like what I was feeling is like, oh.

690
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:50,880
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe this, Yeah, this is fine.

691
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:53,719
Speaker 1: But what we just learned is that Rachel broke it

692
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 1: off with both of them. Yeah, So now I'm like,

693
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:56,839
Speaker 1: all right, Rachel.

694
00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 2: Probably thinking about yeah, was.

695
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:01,400
Speaker 1: At least thinking about it, or it seemed like was

696
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 1: like fairly definitive that was breaking up. So I'm kind

697
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:07,960
Speaker 1: of like cassiing out Rachel Hope I feel like has

698
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:10,760
Speaker 1: love on her side or did have love on her side.

699
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:14,399
Speaker 1: But now it's like Ellie's kind of with Hope.

700
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:16,440
Speaker 2: It was like, oh, there was some issues going on

701
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:20,279
Speaker 2: the relationship Ellie and you know, other people were kind

702
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:23,880
Speaker 2: of making things complicated. But then COVID came in maybe

703
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:28,520
Speaker 2: as a saving grace once again, the universe.

704
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 1: Putting you together created all whole pandemic just for Hope's relationship.

705
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 1: So like kind yeah, we kind of ended on things

706
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:40,959
Speaker 1: trending up, whereas like Rachel's was just going down into

707
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 1: the dirt, Hopes was in the dirt but now.

708
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:47,160
Speaker 2: Rising perhaps resurrecting.

709
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 1: Perhaps resurrecting. And then Calthar, great communication, communication, all of it,

710
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:54,600
Speaker 1: but now we have this like the.

711
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:57,840
Speaker 2: Q factor, the Q factor, the Q factor. She was

712
00:35:57,880 --> 00:35:58,480
Speaker 2: a little bit e.

713
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:04,440
Speaker 1: You you as in like the show, oh you you

714
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:06,880
Speaker 1: you you. I don't know, Like for me, it's a

715
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:09,759
Speaker 1: toss up between Hope, I think it's cauth Are. I

716
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 1: feel like it's Calthar because Caldar is like has had

717
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 1: the communication from the beginning.

718
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 4: It was solid, but that universe Hope to be together, right,

719
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:22,600
Speaker 4: what do you think I'm gonna go? Sorry Rachel, not Rachel.

720
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:26,799
Speaker 4: I feel like that guy or was not you know,

721
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:28,240
Speaker 4: respecting you and those boundaries.

722
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:32,319
Speaker 1: But I also could see, like I also just see

723
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:35,279
Speaker 1: Rachel like it was. It was so messy and it

724
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:38,600
Speaker 1: was going downhill, but I could see that it could

725
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:40,760
Speaker 1: it could happen. Who knows and then hope.

726
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:44,880
Speaker 4: Even though there was probably a sign from the universe,

727
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 4: there's the emotional connection that that triggered me. I was like, Okay,

728
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:50,759
Speaker 4: they're okay with being emotional, and I feel like you

729
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:54,360
Speaker 4: could be replaced as number one pretty easily with enough time.

730
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 4: But Caltar, the only thing that I saw with yours

731
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 4: is the spicy sharing of the spicy sleep toys, which

732
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:03,960
Speaker 4: I don't not like, which I didn't like either, But

733
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:06,799
Speaker 4: he was not on the same page with apparently, so

734
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:10,840
Speaker 4: once that happened that I didn't know going with car

735
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 4: because that was the only thing while the others had

736
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:15,719
Speaker 4: a lot of other things going on there.

737
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna I'm gonna all right, I got it

738
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 2: wrong last time we had the.

739
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:26,440
Speaker 1: Game show, So let's see if I'm I'm right. So

740
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 1: the reveal, let's check out who stayed together in the

741
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 1: end and if our guesses were right. Let's start with

742
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 1: the high school sweetheart. Let's start with calth r Q.

743
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 1: Evil Q convinced my fiance that the only way to

744
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:42,920
Speaker 1: put me in my place and to break free was

745
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:45,359
Speaker 1: to break up with me. You So, on my last

746
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:47,520
Speaker 1: day of school, just as I was finishing up my

747
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:50,480
Speaker 1: final I received a text from my partner of six

748
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:52,960
Speaker 1: years telling me how he had to be the bigger

749
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 1: person and break up with me person. I'm hoping that

750
00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:00,320
Speaker 1: something else happens. On my way home, I stop to

751
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 1: get gas and ran into my fiance with Q. I

752
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 1: remember barely making it back home and being hysterical as

753
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:09,879
Speaker 1: I was putting the pieces together and realized that the

754
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:14,560
Speaker 1: whole breakup was orchestrated by Que, manipulated by Q. Later

755
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:17,839
Speaker 1: that night, when my now ex fiance came back home,

756
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 1: I wanted to make sure that he meant it and

757
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 1: didn't mean that we were on a break and getting

758
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:25,240
Speaker 1: back together. Eventually, he confirmed that we were in fact over,

759
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:28,440
Speaker 1: and I was promptly sent out of our bedroom and

760
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 1: made to sleep in the office on the futon, not

761
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 1: the future, not the futon alone and betrayed heart smashed

762
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:44,760
Speaker 1: the smithereens that was just this May. We stayed cordial

763
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:47,600
Speaker 1: throughout the summer until two weeks ago when he asked

764
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:50,440
Speaker 1: me to take him back, saying he didn't mean to

765
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:52,840
Speaker 1: actually break up and really just meant to take a

766
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:56,080
Speaker 1: break he's doing. He did not react well to me

767
00:38:56,280 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 1: rejecting him. Get f who as he really thought that

768
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:03,879
Speaker 1: I would take him back in a heartbeat. He later

769
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:06,360
Speaker 1: asked to call me and spend an hour apologizing for

770
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:08,680
Speaker 1: all the things he did wrong during the relationship. While

771
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:11,759
Speaker 1: I appreciated the long do accountability, I couldn't help but

772
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:15,399
Speaker 1: feel extremely frustrated and belittled, and the apologies I spent

773
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 1: years begging for were only now just coming after I

774
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:21,960
Speaker 1: told him there was no getting back together.

775
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 2: Mm shove it in his face.

776
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:27,920
Speaker 1: Wow, I mean the relationship ended, so we were Me

777
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:31,440
Speaker 1: and Riley were wrong. You're wrong, but kind of w

778
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:34,080
Speaker 1: for Calthart. Yeah, w for Cathart. Don't take him back

779
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:42,760
Speaker 1: for cal Wow? What a while drive? Okay, So now

780
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:46,920
Speaker 1: going on to Hope. By two weeks in Lockdown, a

781
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 1: million things had changed. Howard had moved out, feeling betrayed

782
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:53,439
Speaker 1: by the relationship Sarah was gaining with Ellie. On top

783
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:56,359
Speaker 1: of that, the two sisters of Sarah that had been

784
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:58,440
Speaker 1: in our house through quarantine were moving in, and a

785
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 1: few days after the official move, Ellie is talking to

786
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 1: me and saying, shit, I have a cold store coming on.

787
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 1: I gotta tell Sarah she can't kiss me, and I'm

788
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:11,640
Speaker 1: all like, what since when are you and Sarah close

789
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:14,120
Speaker 1: enough to be kissing each other? I don't remember what

790
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:17,080
Speaker 1: she said, but that was enough get me investigating.

791
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 2: Wait, so she literally told on herself and you were like, wait,

792
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:21,840
Speaker 2: we never we never talked about that.

793
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 1: About that. Investigating is a bad word. I invited a

794
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:27,160
Speaker 1: coworker over who were all got along with, sat the

795
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:29,840
Speaker 1: two of them down and started the interrogation. I asked

796
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 1: them what was going on and how long it had

797
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:34,399
Speaker 1: been going on, and the response was, nothing's going guy.

798
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:37,279
Speaker 1: So I asked when they had started kissing, and they said,

799
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:39,280
Speaker 1: I don't know, it just happened.

800
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:41,560
Speaker 2: What do you mean it just happened. These things don't

801
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:42,880
Speaker 2: just happen. There's a lead up.

802
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:45,560
Speaker 1: Two people gotta lean in. I asked again what was

803
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 1: going on and they said nothing. So I sent them

804
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:50,400
Speaker 1: to my room to talk until they figured out exactly

805
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:52,239
Speaker 1: what it was that was going on between the two

806
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:54,600
Speaker 1: of them. It took about an hour, but they slowly

807
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:57,400
Speaker 1: exited the room heads down. They turned their heads to

808
00:40:57,440 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 1: look at each other and then looked up at me.

809
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 1: Ellie speaks and says, well, we know we like each other,

810
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:04,680
Speaker 1: but nothing is going on between us. I was over

811
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:06,760
Speaker 1: it at this point and we took everyone home. Ellie

812
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:08,879
Speaker 1: and I spent a couple of days together and fought

813
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:11,680
Speaker 1: a lot. Therapy was mentioned as when we got married,

814
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 1: we agreed to marriage counseling before any divorce. Yeah, they're married, remember.

815
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:18,160
Speaker 1: Then On April eighth, twenty twenty, I woke up and

816
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:20,360
Speaker 1: started coffee. Ellie met me on the porch and I

817
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:22,719
Speaker 1: saw a picture of Sarah on her phone and the

818
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:25,279
Speaker 1: message from Ellie and it read something like a good

819
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:27,920
Speaker 1: morning baby, you look beautiful with the ocean behind you.

820
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:32,839
Speaker 1: I love you, and I lost it started yelling at her,

821
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:35,239
Speaker 1: and she asked me if I was happy. I responded

822
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:37,239
Speaker 1: that at the moment, I wasn't happy, and she told

823
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:39,879
Speaker 1: me she wasn't happy either, and that Sarah showed her

824
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:42,400
Speaker 1: what love really is and wanted to break up. I

825
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 1: ended up in the hospital the night after having a

826
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 1: mental breakdown. It was required to go back to see

827
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:49,320
Speaker 1: my family six hundred miles away. While I was gone,

828
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 1: Sarah moved into my house and I never went back.

829
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:55,320
Speaker 1: Our divorce was finalized about two years later after intense

830
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:58,760
Speaker 1: custody battle over my dog. I got custody, by the way,

831
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:01,399
Speaker 1: and to this day that is the best thing that's

832
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:02,279
Speaker 1: ever happened to me.

833
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:03,719
Speaker 2: Were we all right?

834
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:07,400
Speaker 1: We were all wrong? But Hope, I am so glad

835
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:10,439
Speaker 1: you're out of that and so glad that you got

836
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:10,879
Speaker 1: the dog.

837
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:16,759
Speaker 2: Yeah. It's incredibly frustrating that they continue to say that

838
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 2: nothing was going on.

839
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:19,839
Speaker 1: Just communicate and I lie.

840
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:23,120
Speaker 2: Also, I'm really annoyed that, like Ellie was like, oh,

841
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 2: I can't kiss her because I have cold sores. What

842
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 2: about you?

843
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:28,239
Speaker 1: Yeah? Wait really quick, Hope, Yeah, what was the deal

844
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:29,399
Speaker 1: with that? Can you tell us really quick?

845
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:33,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's a good question, because that's exactly what I said.

846
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 5: She's like, wait, I have a cold store. I can't like,

847
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:37,279
Speaker 5: I can't kiss her. I have to tell her. And

848
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:39,440
Speaker 5: I'm like, the fuck you're saying to me a little

849
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:43,440
Speaker 5: yellow you kissed me twenty minutes ago, Yeah, well what's

850
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:45,840
Speaker 5: going on? And she's like, oh, it just kind of happened,

851
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 5: and I think we were drunk and that kind of stuff.

852
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:52,960
Speaker 2: I was like, but also she implied by saying that

853
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:54,040
Speaker 2: that she was going to kiss her.

854
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 5: Again exactly, so like, you're obviously hiding too much. It's

855
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 5: just weird. It got beard, and I mean I interrogted it. Yeah,

856
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 5: I was a lawyer when I was a kid. I'm very,

857
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 5: very familiar with how cops work, and I interrogated. I'm

858
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:13,400
Speaker 5: happy she left me. At this point, they were both

859
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:16,120
Speaker 5: absolutely crazy, but she fought me for my dog. I

860
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:16,560
Speaker 5: got my.

861
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:18,840
Speaker 2: Dog legally blonde moment.

862
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:22,879
Speaker 1: Honestly, I'm yeah, I am so glad that you got

863
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:26,400
Speaker 1: out of that. She seems totally way too much drama

864
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 1: for you, and I'm glad you got your dog. But finally,

865
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:37,799
Speaker 1: Rachel double red Hair, Yeah, you totally totally did like

866
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:41,800
Speaker 1: a bait and switch because in the last act things

867
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:45,920
Speaker 1: were going downhill. I'm gonna read Rachel's reveal. We got

868
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:48,359
Speaker 1: some questions for you, Rachel, but I'm going to read.

869
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:51,480
Speaker 1: So after some questioning, I decided that ending things with

870
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 1: both partners at the same time was the best call

871
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:55,800
Speaker 1: for me. But not long after, I eventually tried to

872
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 1: reconnect with Sally, only to find that they had very

873
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:01,280
Speaker 1: recently slept with someone who I at the time thought

874
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Speaker 1: was my best friend. There's an entire story on that

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Speaker 1: person in of a of itself, but that's for another time,

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Speaker 1: And in and of itself, that's the same time booth,

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Speaker 1: but that's for another time. After learning this, I lost

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Speaker 1: it again, and feeling the betrayal of a best friend

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Speaker 1: and two partners, I decided to end contact with Sally

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Speaker 1: for good. After about one year of animosity, I ended

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Speaker 1: up pregnant with who.

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Speaker 2: Which is why? Okay, maybe this is why it works

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Speaker 2: out well?

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Speaker 1: See, and I chose to go see my coworkers at

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Speaker 1: a job we shared, and to my surprise, I was

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Speaker 1: met with Sally and a box and they gave me

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Speaker 1: the box and inside was a giant stuffed eight to

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Speaker 1: eight from Star Wars, meant for my soon to be child,

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Speaker 1: and after the sweet gesture, we started talking again. They

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Speaker 1: were dating someone we will call Jay. After some time

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Speaker 1: goes by of no issues, Sally and Jay went looking

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Speaker 1: for houses together and ended up buying a house together.

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Speaker 1: More than that later. Meanwhile, I gave birth and after

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Speaker 1: that Sally was there every day and every night. At

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Speaker 1: this point in the relationship, Jack was no longer living

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Speaker 1: with me because my father did not like him, and

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Speaker 1: after some time and little to no drama, Sally revealed

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Speaker 1: to us that she bought the house with us and

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Speaker 1: our child in mind, and shortly thereafter, Sally parted ways

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Speaker 1: with Jay and left us with a tough decision. That

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Speaker 1: decision was for all of us to be together.

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Speaker 2: WHOA wait, Sally, Jack and you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so, Oh my god. We've been together

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Speaker 1: ever since with our happy family. Jack and I have

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Speaker 1: been together for nearly twenty six years now and we

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Speaker 1: have two kids, and we've been with Sally for almost

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Speaker 1: fourteen years.

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Speaker 2: Turn around.

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Speaker 1: She was there for the birth of both kids and

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Speaker 1: is an active mother to both of them and even

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Speaker 1: attends school functions and spoils them on Christmas, Birthdays and

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Speaker 1: any other occasion she possibly can. She filled the role

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Speaker 1: of all the fictitious holiday creatures and even went so

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Speaker 1: far to get tattoos for all four of us metimes three,

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Speaker 1: Jack and both kids. Honestly, we couldn't possibly imagine our

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Speaker 1: lives without her in It been through little blood, sweat

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Speaker 1: and tears for us, and we've done the same for her.

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Speaker 2: What a turn around?

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Speaker 1: Her around? Oh Goodyes, you totally hoodwinked us. Whoa, Oh

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Speaker 1: my gosh, So what about the relationship now feels so

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Speaker 1: much more health stable and healthy than what it was before. Like,

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Speaker 1: how did you get to this point?

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Speaker 6: When I found out about the two of them?

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Speaker 7: I had already determined that I was in love with

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Speaker 7: her and I'd gotten back with said Jack shortly after

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Speaker 7: we had broken up.

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Speaker 6: We both sat.

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Speaker 7: Down and talked about it one day and we're like, yeah, no,

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Speaker 7: we like we were already friends with her again at

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Speaker 7: the bare minimum.

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Speaker 6: We started from scratch.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, And we sat down and talked about it, and

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Speaker 7: we realized that we missed her.

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Speaker 6: We wanted her in our lives, you know, like she

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Speaker 6: just felt like that missing piece.

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Speaker 7: We always had a really great dynamic with her, even

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Speaker 7: though things happened that we.

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Speaker 6: All wish hadn't happened. But we all sat down and

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Speaker 6: we talked about it like adults.

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Speaker 7: And realized that this was really what we wanted and

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Speaker 7: been together at first.

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Speaker 1: Then wow, yeah, so really, I mean I feel.

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Speaker 2: Like that breakup and then the coming back and actually communicating.

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Speaker 1: Was yeah, you did. I mean, I feel like it's

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Speaker 1: it's always that. It's always just like if you communicate,

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Speaker 1: you can kind of get through anything, the worst shit possible,

947
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Speaker 1: which it seems like Rachel like you went through but

948
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Speaker 1: you got through it and you're on the other side

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Speaker 1: and you've got I got a happy family because of it.

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Speaker 7: So everybody wants to say Hi, Mariah can't Sally is Mariah?

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Speaker 6: And we actually I have Matt. This is Matth.

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Speaker 1: Nice to meet you. Well, we got the happy end.

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Speaker 1: Thank you guys so much for participating. Yeah, if you

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