Speaker 1: This is the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show, your
Speaker 1: war room for incenter news and draft analysis from deep
Speaker 1: within the confines of Cowboys Headquarters at the Star in Frisco,
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys, Tyler Smith and now your host, Kyle Yeoman's.
Speaker 1: Today is Wednesday, February twenty second, twenty twenty three. We
Speaker 1: are sixty five days away from the NFL Draft in
Speaker 1: Kansas City, and we welcome you into the Draft Show,
Speaker 1: presented by Miller White here from the Star in Frisco
Speaker 1: and the s WBC studios. We have got a packed
Speaker 1: house tonight for a couple of reasons. Because we're back
Speaker 1: with Brian Protus, We're back with Bobby Belt, We've got
Speaker 1: Aisha Morrison. I'm Kyle Yeoman's Chris Beam in the back
Speaker 1: and introducing for the first time ever on the Draft Show,
Speaker 1: one of five three the fans very own Zach Waltz.
Speaker 1: How's it going. It's going great. What's going on. It's
Speaker 1: a pleasure to be here, very show. Thank you very much.
Speaker 1: You've been studying, of course, I've been studying you kidding
Speaker 1: made ready to go. I gotta work across from you
Speaker 1: every day on the back. So you've been putting the
Speaker 1: pressure on. Yeah, hard out here. You gotta get this
Speaker 1: thing going. Man. Yeah, you guys do radio from two
Speaker 1: to seven weekday, Monday through Friday. How much is that
Speaker 1: as draft talk? We wish a lot more, not enough. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we really, we honestly could have. You know, we could
Speaker 1: have a show of five hours of draft talk. I
Speaker 1: think we could. You know, I think that people are
Speaker 1: that interested, especially you know, the one thing I always
Speaker 1: talk about this show is the one stop shop where
Speaker 1: you know, if you're a Cowboy fan, if you're a
Speaker 1: Buccaneers fan, whatever, you can come and listen to this
Speaker 1: show and get draft talk. I think you could do
Speaker 1: the same thing on the radio, but you have to
Speaker 1: and of course you have to talk about the Rangers
Speaker 1: and the MAVs and you know, but when when the
Speaker 1: time comes when you get to the combine and we're
Speaker 1: right there that combined week and then to get the
Speaker 1: pro days and stuff, and it starts to get closer
Speaker 1: to the draft, you could feel the station start to
Speaker 1: ramp that thing up. And so yeah, I think you
Speaker 1: gotta be a little bit careful about it. But man,
Speaker 1: me personally, I could talk to draft five hours a day.
Speaker 1: Will you hear that beam. We're gonna do it five
Speaker 1: hours today. So well you're gonna get from eleven to four. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're gonna get to uh you're you're gonna get to
Speaker 1: do that in the end end of April. Right, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's true. Yeah, you'll be fine. I'm Carlotas. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: you've listened to the Draft Show a couple years right?
Speaker 1: Oh heck, yes, are you kidding me? I grew up
Speaker 1: on the Draft Show. This is this is awesome. I'm
Speaker 1: stoked to be here with you. Obviously u nt brethren.
Speaker 1: You and I've done a lot of work together Kyle
Speaker 1: so and getting to work with Brian and Bobby at
Speaker 1: one oh five through the fan love the work that
Speaker 1: Aish has been doing as well. So this is a
Speaker 1: dream come true to get to be a part of
Speaker 1: the Draft Show. I've always been a draft nerd, and
Speaker 1: I've been watching Brian from afar, and I've always wanted
Speaker 1: to get into the broadest school of scouting. So this
Speaker 1: is my first year getting to be under his tutelage.
Speaker 1: And we'll see. I'm expecting him to kinda to bust
Speaker 1: on me a little bit, and I'm gonna give it
Speaker 1: back as well. I know there's already a couple of
Speaker 1: players that we disagree on. I can't wait. Let's do it,
Speaker 1: Let's get into it. Absolutely. Combine starts next week. We
Speaker 1: will be out there starting on Mondays when I get there,
Speaker 1: and we've got a couple ideas of how this is
Speaker 1: going to work heading into next week. But Bobby, I
Speaker 1: mean you hearing anything any rumblings around the Cowboys before
Speaker 1: we really get into some of these draft prospects. Well,
Speaker 1: it's funny. I was. I was actually just talking to
Speaker 1: Zach as we were both driving in, and I was like,
Speaker 1: I gotta start sorting some of this out a little
Speaker 1: bit better, start hitting up some people what they're what
Speaker 1: they're feeling, what they're seeing, So trying to get that situated,
Speaker 1: trying to because I was late in the game and
Speaker 1: this one now I'm trying to decide if I'm gonna
Speaker 1: drive or if I'm gonna pay the premium one week
Speaker 1: out flight ticket. So that's what I'm figuring out out now.
Speaker 1: But no, I think, you know, I'm excited to see
Speaker 1: how some of the corners test, you know, I think
Speaker 1: that that's gonna be a big thing for me. Some
Speaker 1: of these receivers and just in general. Combine such a
Speaker 1: good week for not just draft stuff, but you heard
Speaker 1: so much about the free agency angle and what's happening there,
Speaker 1: and you get a better idea after talking to some
Speaker 1: people throughout the week of just hey, where does this stand?
Speaker 1: What do you guys think of this guy? I think
Speaker 1: starting week after next is when I think we're gonna
Speaker 1: be able to come in here and have a really
Speaker 1: good idea about some of the things that they feel. Yeah,
Speaker 1: a lot of clarity, like I want to even so
Speaker 1: with the combine, I'm excited about just seeing what guys
Speaker 1: maybe have improved because there were gentlemen that I saw
Speaker 1: in the Senior Bowl that I was watching tape on
Speaker 1: before and I was like, Okay, well you weren't doing
Speaker 1: that that well, you know before. So the combine is
Speaker 1: a time where I think you can really start to
Speaker 1: separate who's doing what and whatever. So I'm excited about
Speaker 1: it too. You get that early gathering of information. Everybody
Speaker 1: does it as scouts, and we're still kind of in
Speaker 1: that scenario of the draft where you're trying to pull
Speaker 1: in as much as everything you can you can you
Speaker 1: can pull in. It's like drinking from a firehose. But
Speaker 1: then you get to the combine and it's more of
Speaker 1: the reinforcement of what you've heard before, right, Brian, And
Speaker 1: you get to start having those conversations. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: the one one we have advantages and we have disadvantages
Speaker 1: to the job we do here in the draft show
Speaker 1: is the purest form of scouting we do. We get
Speaker 1: to evaluate the tape, you know. We I issue gets
Speaker 1: to sit down and she watches her defensive tackle from
Speaker 1: you know, from you yeah, Wiscontisconsin. Yeah, we all have
Speaker 1: our people that we watch, and that's the purest form.
Speaker 1: You go to the combine, and after the combine you
Speaker 1: start to hear that maybe, well, this guy's got a
Speaker 1: medical issue, or this guy's got a issue off the field,
Speaker 1: or this guy you know, I know Todd McShay went yesterday,
Speaker 1: he went full on talking about you know, Carter, the
Speaker 1: defensive tackle from Georgia. Well there's some character flaws there,
Speaker 1: you know, And you're like, oh, okay, now I have
Speaker 1: to ask my you know, buddies around the league. They're
Speaker 1: really character flaws here. So you know that's going to
Speaker 1: affect Like I say, I love the act. We get
Speaker 1: to evaluate, and it's the purest form. We're just looking
Speaker 1: at the players. The combine kind of fills in that
Speaker 1: medical the interviews, and then it kind of is that
Speaker 1: it puts the pie a little bit. The pro day
Speaker 1: will be the final piece of the pie, and then
Speaker 1: once you kind of get all that information, you could
Speaker 1: kind of stack your board the way you need to
Speaker 1: do it. Carter does have maturity concerns. Oh no, where
Speaker 1: are you hearing that from. I'm that's something that I
Speaker 1: heard all the way back in the fault. Not bad stuff,
Speaker 1: just more like I kind of grow up, kind of
Speaker 1: a young kid type of thing. Not anything that would
Speaker 1: scare people off. It doesn't sound like still a top
Speaker 1: ten pig. Yeah yeah, oh yeah, No, it didn't sound
Speaker 1: like it was anything go would chase anybody off. It's
Speaker 1: just like, yeah, I'll have to grow up a lot.
Speaker 1: I hear differently. I'm thinking he's slid into twenty six.
Speaker 1: Let's do it. I've heard it's terrible wink wing. Oh darn,
Speaker 1: he I guess he's gonna end up there. Sorry, Maybe
Speaker 1: that would be nice, would your dream? That would be fantastic.
Speaker 1: We went through some scenarios last Thursday where it was
Speaker 1: first and second round pairings, back and forth of what
Speaker 1: you could do position wise. We got a lot of
Speaker 1: good feedback on it, so I thought we'd do something similar,
Speaker 1: But it's more so of a would you rather around
Speaker 1: the purest forum of scouting around watching the tape, So
Speaker 1: based off of the tape, based off of the scenarios
Speaker 1: that we've been given already, here are some different options
Speaker 1: that I want you to choose one or the other.
Speaker 1: Would you rather scenario number one early round corner Deontay
Speaker 1: Banks from Maryland or Tyreek Stevenson from Miami. So this
Speaker 1: is either a late first round early second round selection.
Speaker 1: I'll start with you. I don't look at me. Who
Speaker 1: would you rather have? Well, I haven't gotten into Stevenson
Speaker 1: okay yet, that's fine? Would Deontay Banks? I was, so
Speaker 1: I'll tell you the things that I was impressed with,
Speaker 1: and then the other I was literally just talking to
Speaker 1: my homie about this. But so I wasn't impressed with
Speaker 1: his ability to flip his hips. His speed seems real.
Speaker 1: That's why when you talk about the combine, I want
Speaker 1: to see if he has if that translates, if that
Speaker 1: makes sense, like because he looks fast on the field. Um,
Speaker 1: and I think he also understands he has I think
Speaker 1: he has good body control. He doesn't take the ball
Speaker 1: away like that though. I think me and my homie
Speaker 1: Matt Own were saying like he had two picks and
Speaker 1: like eight hundred naps or something. Yeah, and then also too,
Speaker 1: I'm not sure he is and he doesn't. He comes
Speaker 1: out of the game often, like we were just talking
Speaker 1: about how they rotate him in in and out so
Speaker 1: much and for a corner that's I mean, I'm not
Speaker 1: saying that's not normal, but it's not. It's not It's
Speaker 1: not a guy that I would be like, Okay, well,
Speaker 1: this is a I don't know if he's a first
Speaker 1: round guy. They're thinking that he'll run like a four
Speaker 1: or five Brian, which would be like right middle of
Speaker 1: the pack, which is weird because his foot his hip
Speaker 1: turn is so nasty, plays faster than that. That's what
Speaker 1: and that's what I was saying. I'm curious about his
Speaker 1: but like, I just don't know, Like I think he's
Speaker 1: a good player and stuff, I'm just not I didn't
Speaker 1: see like, oh, this guy take the ball away constantly
Speaker 1: and things like that. I just didn't see that what
Speaker 1: do you think that sorry, she did a good with you.
Speaker 1: I think Deontay Banks is better than Stevenson. Stevenson, I
Speaker 1: think I think Stevenson's a little grabby for me. Now,
Speaker 1: steven Yeah, well Banks. I love the way Banks uses
Speaker 1: the sideline to his advantage. And Banks, to me, I
Speaker 1: think speed is something to his game that he uses
Speaker 1: really well. Now, one thing I did right down, and
Speaker 1: this is something where I think all Cowboy fans are
Speaker 1: looking at now because of Treyvon Digs in the season
Speaker 1: that he had. I don't think he's a set the
Speaker 1: edge type of corner, right. He's a guy that I
Speaker 1: don't think is a dude that necessarily is always showing
Speaker 1: the willingness to want to stick his face in there
Speaker 1: and tackle. But I do love his ability in terms
Speaker 1: of being a press player. I do think when he
Speaker 1: plays off he'll give up some plays underneath. I think
Speaker 1: he's better when he presses and plays up and he's
Speaker 1: able to be physical at the line of scrimmage. Now,
Speaker 1: Tyreek Stevenson to me, I watched more of his twenty
Speaker 1: twenty one compared to his play last season, and I
Speaker 1: think he did improve a lot more this year. But
Speaker 1: I think he does make a little bit more plays
Speaker 1: on the ball than Banks does, but I think he
Speaker 1: is a little bit more of a well rounded player
Speaker 1: for me, I'll tell you what, man. Yeah, you guys
Speaker 1: are on your game already this morning. I love it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I you know what, I thought Stevenson might be a
Speaker 1: guy to be a free safety. I really did. When
Speaker 1: he's six one, he's two hundred and fourteen pounds, and
Speaker 1: I kind of felt like that maybe that he would.
Speaker 1: You know, he's kind of like he plays like almost
Speaker 1: like a safety with cover skills and the movement and
Speaker 1: the assignments and the off coverage that you know, when
Speaker 1: like teammates bust, he's over there to kind of clean
Speaker 1: up things. So you see a guy, when you see
Speaker 1: a guy, he plays with that kind of awareness to
Speaker 1: his game. And so I was thinking, like, man, this
Speaker 1: guy maybe I would move. He's a transfer from Georgia,
Speaker 1: which is interesting. George I think does a good job.
Speaker 1: We've seen every defensive player that it seems like we're
Speaker 1: watching is a Georgia player. But this guy does have
Speaker 1: really really good overall ball skills. I mean, he'll go
Speaker 1: get it. So I like that about Stevenson personally though
Speaker 1: I said I would. I would if you gave me
Speaker 1: a choice. Though, if you gave me a choice of
Speaker 1: one or the other, there I'll take Banks over Stevenson.
Speaker 1: But I mean, I think it's a pretty good I
Speaker 1: think it's a pretty good comp When you start to
Speaker 1: talk about the two players, what about the teammate, What
Speaker 1: about Sydney Brown? Did he stand up? I'm just saying
Speaker 1: I was watching Illinois film and Sydney Brown was sticking
Speaker 1: out to me more than Deante sometimes. No, not like
Speaker 1: y'all haven't seen. I call him Swiper. Swiper, Yeah, call
Speaker 1: him because I like that, because of the size that
Speaker 1: he can just kind of hide behind guys. He's sneaky.
Speaker 1: He reminds me of I talked about him a few
Speaker 1: weeks ago. He reminds me of a Funka. Is that
Speaker 1: his name. Yeah, he reminds me a lot of him.
Speaker 1: But I think he's a little bit he's I think
Speaker 1: he's a little bit more physical and better in coverage.
Speaker 1: But Sydney Brown another guy in Illinois team, this Illinois defense,
Speaker 1: I was impressed by them. I felt like they're really
Speaker 1: they're uh not not Illinois. My bad. Yeah, Maryland I'm
Speaker 1: actually getting the mixed up. I'm thinking about Devin Witherspoon.
Speaker 1: My bad, but yeah, my bad. So you think the
Speaker 1: description you just gave him was about Witherspoon is what
Speaker 1: you're talking Yeah? I was, Actually I was talking about
Speaker 1: let's talk about Devin Witherspoon. Okay, I like, yeah, yeah, No,
Speaker 1: I like what you're doing here. I do, go ahead,
Speaker 1: But did you see Witherspoon at all? I've watched Witherspoon
Speaker 1: first on on Banks, Banks and Stevenson. I don't think
Speaker 1: that's close to me personally. Yeah, I think Banks is
Speaker 1: much better than Entyrek Stevenson. Tyrek Stevenson's gonna have to
Speaker 1: be press man only to me at the next level,
Speaker 1: just because he's when you watch him play in in Zone,
Speaker 1: I just don't know that he has the awareness, and
Speaker 1: he looks like he has a lot of men I
Speaker 1: start him like dropping off in helping though, So I
Speaker 1: kind of felt like he did have the awareness and
Speaker 1: I saw it looked like and to be fair, I
Speaker 1: don't always you're not always gonna know who's responsible, but
Speaker 1: it looked like he was directly involved in some sort
Speaker 1: of miscommunication or busts. A lot in zone from what
Speaker 1: I saw. But I think that like Deonta Banks, somebody
Speaker 1: who completely scheme versatile. I think the play strength, the size,
Speaker 1: the speed, the fluidity, all of it's really good. He's
Speaker 1: not gonna be the the area where he is going
Speaker 1: to need to improve is He's not gonna be a
Speaker 1: Trey Von Diggs like pickoff artist Banks, because I mean,
Speaker 1: it's just he He hasn't shown that sort of anticipation.
Speaker 1: He doesn't show that sort of recognition. But I think
Speaker 1: that Banks, to me, is the safer, more sol pack especially.
Speaker 1: Can you tell me I can play Banks opposite Diggs
Speaker 1: and kind of get that planned, then I feel really
Speaker 1: good about Deonte Banks. I think it'd be a fun
Speaker 1: one two combo in the secondary here. And so Banks
Speaker 1: Banks Banks, Banks over Tyreek Stevens Sound from Miami and
Speaker 1: an honorable mention from Devin Witherspoon Alan Ellen as well.
Speaker 1: All Right, scenario number two day two wide receivers, which
Speaker 1: is a possibility for this Cowboys team and a couple
Speaker 1: of guys that have been at least names floating out
Speaker 1: there that maybe have some interest from the guys across
Speaker 1: the hallway. Josh Josh Downs from North Carolina former tar
Speaker 1: heel is your first option. The second option it's Parker
Speaker 1: Washington from Penn State. If you've one man, you've kicked
Speaker 1: guys that are the same kind of body time the
Speaker 1: same scenario. And I did that on purpose. So, Zach,
Speaker 1: what do you think about those two guys? Who Downs
Speaker 1: is a guy that they move all around the formation
Speaker 1: there with North Carolina. Now, he's fun. I think he's
Speaker 1: got a really sexy stutter step at the top of
Speaker 1: his route. He sets up dvs really well. He's fast,
Speaker 1: he's a fun slot player, works in the middle of
Speaker 1: the field well on drags and slants. He's explosive. But
Speaker 1: I'll tell you this, you watch Parker Washington against Ohio State,
Speaker 1: you can fall in love with that kid. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's got an ability to extend his body. The body
Speaker 1: control is really really good. He's a hand catcher. This
Speaker 1: is not a guy that's a that's a Terrence Williams right,
Speaker 1: He's not a body catcher. This dude's gonna go and
Speaker 1: get the get the football. Strong hands catches the ball
Speaker 1: in traffic. I think between these two, I think maybe
Speaker 1: Downs could do more for you. But I was more
Speaker 1: impressed watching Parker Washington. I think I'd leave Washington here, Brian.
Speaker 1: I know you brought up Parker Washington previously. Yeah, he's
Speaker 1: Steve Smith to me, guys man, when I'm back in
Speaker 1: the day from Utah, Steve Smith third round player. Though, goodness,
Speaker 1: I mean this cat he's five ten, he's two ten.
Speaker 1: That's where I'm working on a problem, right there. You
Speaker 1: know the thing about it in the same thing you
Speaker 1: could say about Downs, Downs is like five to eleven. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I believe I've got him at five ten and two eight, right,
Speaker 1: I guess a quarter five? Yeah, Okay, there you go.
Speaker 1: So I mean the thing about Washington, he is compact,
Speaker 1: he's explosive. He does a lot of that work you're
Speaker 1: talking about in the slot. He can make a ton
Speaker 1: of plays because he's gonna go all over the field.
Speaker 1: The length will be a problem, but I mean he
Speaker 1: do see him extend to his absolute fullest to go
Speaker 1: get these footballs. The route runner with quickness in and
Speaker 1: out of break, stop start, quickness, impressive run after catch.
Speaker 1: This guy's a punt returner as well, so he knows
Speaker 1: how to operate in traffic as well. I put a
Speaker 1: note down because we're talking about the combine. I'm excited
Speaker 1: to see what he runs his forty because he could
Speaker 1: end up being one of these burner towns, both of them,
Speaker 1: but Washington specifically because he's a guy. We talked about
Speaker 1: the lack of separation this year for the Cowboys at
Speaker 1: receiver Parker Parker Washington because if his starts stop quickness,
Speaker 1: he's able to separate from DBS. Let's see what they're
Speaker 1: maybe projecting him to run. Looks like a four mid
Speaker 1: four fourth. I was hoping. I was hoping for baby
Speaker 1: a little bit better. But the tape don't lie right
Speaker 1: and he plays fast seat. How are you sure? What
Speaker 1: do you think about those guys? I just think it's fun.
Speaker 1: I just I'm at a point till where I think
Speaker 1: we talked about it last week. Is is he a player?
Speaker 1: Is he a player? Like the size thing, especially with
Speaker 1: this receiver class, seems like it's gonna be a discussion
Speaker 1: to some degree anyway, But can the guy? Can the
Speaker 1: guy play the game at a high level? And Josh Downs?
Speaker 1: Between Josh Downs and Washington, I feel like, obviously both
Speaker 1: of them have slotability and they're able to work the slot.
Speaker 1: But the guy that has the most versatility to meet,
Speaker 1: Like you said, is why is Washington at this point?
Speaker 1: I really feel like he can come in and he
Speaker 1: can make a difference. And when you mentioned the special
Speaker 1: teams thing like that might be a huge bargaining factor
Speaker 1: in my opinion for some of these teams trying to
Speaker 1: get better in the league on special teams. So I'm
Speaker 1: looking at Washington as a guy that can come in
Speaker 1: and do something for you immediately. I think Josh Downs
Speaker 1: can do the same thing, but there's some versatility. The
Speaker 1: thing that the lack of bulk when you watch Josh Downs,
Speaker 1: the lack of bulk bother you. Hell, he like one
Speaker 1: hundred and seventy five pounds, it don't it don't scare
Speaker 1: me because he can Yeah, he can play. But no, no,
Speaker 1: you're right about the playability. You're no, You're absolutely dead
Speaker 1: on about the playability. The thing about it is, man,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of these receivers in this drafted Are
Speaker 1: that one seventy five one eight Flowers? Yeah? Yeah, there
Speaker 1: are a lot of those guys that I mean, and
Speaker 1: you're just I'm just not used to seeing slight right, Bill,
Speaker 1: Why And you can say the same the same thing
Speaker 1: about Hyatt from Tennessee. Kind of a slight, bil linear guy,
Speaker 1: and he's still got at least ten pounds on Downs.
Speaker 1: It's funny because you look at Zay Flowers and Downs
Speaker 1: their body type, they're almost identical. They're both five ten
Speaker 1: and a little bit, and it's they're listed at one
Speaker 1: seventy five each. Yeah. No, I mean that's what there's
Speaker 1: not a name. It's if if Josh Downs was a
Speaker 1: little bit better route run or he would be he's
Speaker 1: a Flowers, right, but he's he's a Flowers with you know,
Speaker 1: not as precise route running as what I mean, it's
Speaker 1: the same questions. It's the size, it's the limitations in
Speaker 1: terms of where he can line up, it's the drops, like,
Speaker 1: it's the same sort of issues. Flowers is just a
Speaker 1: more precise route runner. I think Josh Downs has the
Speaker 1: ability to, like he's got the skill set to be
Speaker 1: a really good route runner, but like somebody's gonna, I
Speaker 1: think to have to kind of like coach him up
Speaker 1: on it. Just it doesn't always look totally crisp to me.
Speaker 1: When he's running arounds. The fluidity and everything else is there,
Speaker 1: but in terms of the precision, I think he needs
Speaker 1: to improve there all, right, scenario number three, late day
Speaker 1: two linebackers. I'm thinking like right around the third round,
Speaker 1: maybe even trade up into the early third to get
Speaker 1: these guys. I'll start with you Bobby de Over shown
Speaker 1: from Texas or Noah Soul from Oregon at linebacker. Which
Speaker 1: one you like better? Oh? Um, they're different types of players.
Speaker 1: They're a little bit different. They're they're very down for me,
Speaker 1: but they're they're different in the sense that, like I
Speaker 1: think Noah Soul can take on blocks, he can dead blocks,
Speaker 1: he can he can play the more traditional linebacker to me,
Speaker 1: like de oversoon, if he's gonna play linebacker, he's gonna
Speaker 1: have to be a run and chase Will that they
Speaker 1: keep completely clean. Um. And I think that you're seeing
Speaker 1: it improved. Um. But I think you see sometimes the
Speaker 1: instincts aren't the best, the recognition isn't the best. I
Speaker 1: think it did get better, and he was transitioning a
Speaker 1: little bit. But he's he's a tweeter, he's a safety linebacker. Twitter.
Speaker 1: If he's gonna play linebacker, it's got to be Will
Speaker 1: and it's got to be something where it's made easy
Speaker 1: for him that he's got you know, some of the
Speaker 1: big guys up front opening things up for him so
Speaker 1: that he can just see the play and you know,
Speaker 1: shoot the gap. With Sewel, at least, I think Sewel
Speaker 1: has the ability to. Not only do I think he
Speaker 1: has play recognition is better, but I think he can
Speaker 1: actually get off of blocks. I don't. I can't remember
Speaker 1: I remember the last time I saw over Shown get
Speaker 1: off of a block. And so I mean, if you're
Speaker 1: asking me which one of those guys I want, I'd
Speaker 1: like the guy that I'm not dependent on a defensive tackle.
Speaker 1: So give me no Suel also too with Overshown, Like
Speaker 1: I know, he was somebody we were looking at going
Speaker 1: into the senior blown stuff like, he just really fits
Speaker 1: the traditional linebacker size type situation. And I just look
Speaker 1: at how the league is now and there's there's no
Speaker 1: knock to those gentlemen, but he doesn't. He's so he's
Speaker 1: big like not it is not a bad thing, like
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like, but he looks big
Speaker 1: out there plus sue bulky twenty pounds. Yeah, I'm not
Speaker 1: necessarily like kind of some of the stuff we would
Speaker 1: saying about elv. Yeah, don't give me, don't kick me up,
Speaker 1: We're not gonna kick you out exactly what. He's got
Speaker 1: a unique type of build. Yeah, and the way his
Speaker 1: legs are as well. He's got skinny legs, big upper body.
Speaker 1: I think he is a wild player. Overshown is he's
Speaker 1: raw sense in a sense, I'm not a big overshown guy.
Speaker 1: To me, I see a lot of traits that Malik
Speaker 1: Jefferson had. Malik Jefferson was in and out of the league,
Speaker 1: like I think de Mario overshows a guy that's going
Speaker 1: to be a se scouting the helmet because of the
Speaker 1: Texas could be. But to me, I wanted to like
Speaker 1: the player, and I see upside with him. But I
Speaker 1: would tell Noah Shouel because there's times I'm watching over
Speaker 1: shown and I'm like, what the heck are you doing?
Speaker 1: Like I don't see the instincts with him. I see
Speaker 1: the instincts was Suel. The problem with Seoul is I
Speaker 1: don't know that he always has the speed to get
Speaker 1: to where he needs to go. I don't think that's
Speaker 1: a bad comp Malik Jefferson now over soon smaller than
Speaker 1: Malik Jefferson. But it was the same issue with Malik
Speaker 1: where when Malik saw it right. When Malik guessed right,
Speaker 1: it was devastating. And when he missed it was twenty
Speaker 1: yards down the sideline. And that's what I think you
Speaker 1: see sometimes. In fact, Malik probably got off blocks a
Speaker 1: little better than Overshown does. So is that just not
Speaker 1: the ability to freelance as a linebacker. He's just got
Speaker 1: to have better awareness and recognition, because that's kind of
Speaker 1: what he's doing, is just playing head down the whole time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's gotten better, and I mean he has somebody who
Speaker 1: is transitioning a little bit from you know, he's still
Speaker 1: he was used all over. They used him as a
Speaker 1: pass rusher at times earlier, and so I mean he's
Speaker 1: used in a number of different facets. So the fact
Speaker 1: that he'll now be able to focus on one thing
Speaker 1: and do that, I think you did see progress and
Speaker 1: hopefully that would continue, but you'd be banking on something, man.
Speaker 1: I think the thing about Seul is some of his
Speaker 1: big hit he'll make some really big hits and he'll
Speaker 1: make some big ass misses though too. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: and when you watch him play, and the thing about
Speaker 1: it is, I love how stout he is. I think
Speaker 1: he's a tough player. I just wish he could play
Speaker 1: under a little bit better control. That's the thing that
Speaker 1: I kind of worry about him as a player. Okay,
Speaker 1: I think that's something that you could look at. He
Speaker 1: was just a sophomore at Oregon too, came out early,
Speaker 1: so he's still a younger guy in Seul to where
Speaker 1: he could maybe grow into that that scenario we've seen
Speaker 1: Dan Quinn and he does this with LV and he
Speaker 1: hell he likes to blitz the linebackers. Noah Seul I
Speaker 1: put a note. I think he times his blitz is
Speaker 1: pretty well and I think that that's something the Cowboys
Speaker 1: might like when they watch him. And Noah Sul is
Speaker 1: a guy that I did just think he was a
Speaker 1: very instinctive player. He diagnoses play as well. I would
Speaker 1: take Suol out of this matchup, and I think if
Speaker 1: you're able to get him at the end of day
Speaker 1: two in the third round, that that'd be a great possum. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that'd be huge all right time for our first break.
Speaker 1: So a couple of scenarios that we were able to
Speaker 1: outline there were probably bring that back. I think that's
Speaker 1: fun to kind of debate the two players. But when
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Speaker 1: com Draft Show back. You're on the Draft show from
Speaker 1: the Star in Frisco. Is Bobby already a troublemaker for
Speaker 1: our show? Yes, yeah, no doubt. Bobby's kind of a
Speaker 1: take off the headset and just start throwing things at people.
Speaker 1: And I spent the first minute and a half quiet
Speaker 1: during the break, I just said something, Yeah, as you're
Speaker 1: kneeling down and saying, I'm just gonna tell you this
Speaker 1: guy's a first round player and you better watch him.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, like, I mean, there's a bargaining. I'm
Speaker 1: not saying he will be, but like also like I'm
Speaker 1: sciatic nerve and I try to get your cherry. Didn't
Speaker 1: care because I like it happens whether I'm sitting there
Speaker 1: standing Okay, okay, Twitter on the twenty right. Yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're getting into it. That's the thing is we're all
Speaker 1: such draft nerds that whenever the mics turn off, yeah,
Speaker 1: guess what we're gonna talk about draft? Yeah, it's how yells,
Speaker 1: it's how it goes. Let's talk more draft thanks to
Speaker 1: some Twitter on the Twitter answering your fan questions on
Speaker 1: Twitter on the twenty first one for Zach Waltchez is amazing,
Speaker 1: all right. First one comes from Steve on Twitter. He said,
Speaker 1: are the Cowboys willing to draft a smaller player? That's
Speaker 1: a big question because we just talked about some smaller
Speaker 1: wide receivers. They're good wide receivers, and it's a deep
Speaker 1: running back class, but they'll severely limit their options and
Speaker 1: the pool drives up quicker if they continue to stay
Speaker 1: away from the smaller guys. Bobby, do you think that's
Speaker 1: a possibility. Smaller guys where dall like? But but where like?
Speaker 1: I think that some areas that wouldn't matter to them,
Speaker 1: other areas. A specific question from Steven says wide receiver
Speaker 1: and running This team does not like small receivers, does
Speaker 1: not like small running backs. In fact, it's it's nuts.
Speaker 1: If you look, there is no team in the NFL.
Speaker 1: I don't think over the last probably during the Will
Speaker 1: McClay era, I don't think there's any team that's acquired
Speaker 1: more six foot running backs than the Cowboys. Every single
Speaker 1: last one of the running backs they get is always
Speaker 1: six feet or bigger. They're usually two fifteen to twenty.
Speaker 1: They don't like the smaller built running backs. You can
Speaker 1: just see that by the way you know who they've
Speaker 1: acquired and who they've drafted. I mean, go back over
Speaker 1: the history of Mike Weber, Bo Scarborough, Ezekiel Elliott, Tony Power.
Speaker 1: You're talking about all guys who are like six six
Speaker 1: one two fifteen to twenty two, twenty five. And then
Speaker 1: the receivers. No, I think that unless you are just
Speaker 1: a very precise, smaller receiver, a very precise route runner
Speaker 1: who doesn't get you know, the size doesn't affect them
Speaker 1: in terms of getting off a press, They're they're not
Speaker 1: gonna take one of the small receivers. They don't want
Speaker 1: guys who are limited to the slot. So Za Flowers,
Speaker 1: Josh Downs, those are not guys I think they would like.
Speaker 1: Should a chain from A and M no go at
Speaker 1: running back, the baggy fans are gonna be upset. Typically,
Speaker 1: smaller guys are not their their flavor. And who was
Speaker 1: the last one of your lance Stunbar? Yeah? Probably yeah Green?
Speaker 1: What about five eleven? Can can we get a five
Speaker 1: eleven five eleven and a half all right, so we
Speaker 1: still have the tay Jay Spears dream alive. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: he's slight though. That's the problem is he's a little
Speaker 1: light in the butt. Because even five to eleven, they
Speaker 1: picked up Malik Davis. They like Malie Davis, but he's
Speaker 1: still over two hundred pounds. It was got some beef
Speaker 1: to him. I was blown away and there was so
Speaker 1: much higher, so much high watching this kid. So I
Speaker 1: put him on. I'm like, okay, I'm ready to pick him.
Speaker 1: Aparts five nine, two oh five. That's not too thin
Speaker 1: for his his height. Yeah, dud, dude's a dream. He
Speaker 1: can do everything you want. He can catch it out
Speaker 1: of the backfield. He's the best player on the field.
Speaker 1: And that includes against USC. He was I watched me.
Speaker 1: It's USC, Houston, Cincinnati, and in the big moments, you
Speaker 1: go to that guy, he'll make a play for you.
Speaker 1: I mean, you talk about some pound for pound best
Speaker 1: players in this draft. He's up there. That dude special.
Speaker 1: What do you think, Brian, I'll tell you what. I
Speaker 1: like what you're saying. I think this is a really
Speaker 1: good group of running backs. So I think this wide
Speaker 1: receiver group is not as good as what we've seen
Speaker 1: the last two or three years. I'm a little scared
Speaker 1: about that. I was gonna ask you, guys, if you
Speaker 1: get seen Kancy from Pittsburgh, the defensive tackle. I watched
Speaker 1: him after you talked, Okay, this is what This is
Speaker 1: a guy you need to watch. This six foot you know,
Speaker 1: two hundred and seventy five pound guy that will challenge
Speaker 1: your That will challenge your your your thought about drafting
Speaker 1: a small guy or a short guy. That will challenge
Speaker 1: you right there because you start to see it and
Speaker 1: you're going to guy, this guy's making a ton of plays.
Speaker 1: Oh damn, he's only six foot tall. You know that
Speaker 1: kind of thing. So I'm always interested in these players.
Speaker 1: My old boss of the Packers, Ron Wolf, who was
Speaker 1: in the Hall of Fame Hall of Fame general manager,
Speaker 1: You say, Brian, a kid better walk on water if
Speaker 1: he's short, you know, so you better walk on water
Speaker 1: if you're one of those players. You got anybody that
Speaker 1: walks on water? I usually no, I'm just it's fust
Speaker 1: It's frustrating to me to a degree because I feel
Speaker 1: like I understand you hate the way play people draft
Speaker 1: just I understand the stipulations and stuff, but I just
Speaker 1: feel as though, like, if they play, they play right,
Speaker 1: that's you. I'm learning this about you. You are. If
Speaker 1: they play, they play like if the guy's a difference maker,
Speaker 1: the guy is a difference maker. And also too, I
Speaker 1: mean your quarterback has succeeded with a smaller slot corner.
Speaker 1: I mean Cole Beasley got the Cole Beasley started looking
Speaker 1: like a receiver receiver when Dak got it when he
Speaker 1: started playing with Dak Man. And I really honestly feel
Speaker 1: like that was a dope security blanket for your quarterback.
Speaker 1: He's seen success with those. And even if Randall Cobb
Speaker 1: when he was here was able to see some success
Speaker 1: with Dak too, And just having that smaller guy that's dependable,
Speaker 1: that's just kind of there and that can get open
Speaker 1: on his own is made a difference with this quarterback.
Speaker 1: And so that's what's frustrating to me, is like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you may have your idea of what a quarter wide
Speaker 1: receiver should look like, but what has helped your quarterback succeed.
Speaker 1: I'll never forget this working for Bill Parcels. He hated
Speaker 1: dat when and Dexter Cokeley hated him when he got in.
Speaker 1: He goes I got to get rid of these two guys.
Speaker 1: By the end of it, he was like, what was
Speaker 1: I thinking about these players? And to your point, though,
Speaker 1: you know, if you could play, you could play, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean every some teams do have this, the parameters,
Speaker 1: and you know they don't. They don't want to mismatch
Speaker 1: looking team. They want all the same looking guys getting
Speaker 1: off the bus. But there's some teams that will take
Speaker 1: that will take smaller guys because they have vision for
Speaker 1: the players, shorter guys because they have vision for the players.
Speaker 1: And even a guy like a crusty old guy like
Speaker 1: Bill Parcels fell in love with dat Win and in
Speaker 1: Dexter Coco, I think because they make plays. Parcels gave
Speaker 1: an interview later in his career too, where I think
Speaker 1: he said dat when as the player he was most
Speaker 1: wrong about in the entire time of his time working
Speaker 1: in the NFL. There's something to it, man, if you're
Speaker 1: a little shorter guy. But Tysha's point though, if you
Speaker 1: make plays, there's a reason to have you on that
Speaker 1: on that fifty three man roster. I mean, I get
Speaker 1: worrying about like guys being able to get off a press,
Speaker 1: especially since this seems like it's kind of an a
Speaker 1: press league and all that stuff. But at the same time,
Speaker 1: it's just like, I don't know, that's that's just kind
Speaker 1: of where I'm at with it. Like, I guess can't
Speaker 1: be choosers out here in these streets, and you need
Speaker 1: a wide receiver. And even so this philosophy is kind
Speaker 1: of to me, what got you in trouble this season?
Speaker 1: If you're talking about the Cowboys, is hey, a lot
Speaker 1: of your receivers look the same lately, they looked like
Speaker 1: the say, they look the same, they do the same things,
Speaker 1: and you have to bring in a t y who
Speaker 1: was a totally different body shape, smaller guy to you know,
Speaker 1: kind of boost your offense. So I'm just like, come on,
Speaker 1: let's let's get it, Like, let's do what's best for
Speaker 1: what your quarterback is doing and what he needs here.
Speaker 1: Small doesn't bug this staff as long as they feel
Speaker 1: you can play outside. Say that. So if you if you,
Speaker 1: if you are in this, if they feel your slot specific,
Speaker 1: that's where they have a problem. It's it's not the
Speaker 1: size as much as it is you got to show
Speaker 1: you can play outside. If we feel like you can't
Speaker 1: play outside, we have no use for you. So we're
Speaker 1: starting we're starting a petition today. You can sign online
Speaker 1: at whatever website you choose, change dot org, change, yeah,
Speaker 1: whatever it is. Yeah, I don't even know if there's
Speaker 1: a sponsor or not. But we're drafting smaller players in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three. You just want my name at the bottom. Okay,
Speaker 1: takes one of no one. You guys, You guys might
Speaker 1: want to have a word with the gentleman who puts
Speaker 1: that board together. Yet that gentleman ate back in. We're
Speaker 1: talking to him here now. We'll ask him about ask
Speaker 1: him about I ask him that. Oh yeah, I asked
Speaker 1: him about Hey, will ask him about that. We may
Speaker 1: have to winfield junior nod. We tried. We talked about
Speaker 1: that for four months. Upset. I was upset. Yes, well
Speaker 1: you were right about him, all right. Second question, Dan said,
Speaker 1: what is the most under the radar need for the
Speaker 1: Cowboys this year? Would it be linebacker depth or safety? Kicker?
Speaker 1: Question mark or maybe somebody something else? He didn't you
Speaker 1: should go go on your rant about safety. I don't
Speaker 1: have a whole rant about safety. Sounds like you have
Speaker 1: a ran. I thought you and I were talking about this.
Speaker 1: You were saying this team is gonna you know, You're like,
Speaker 1: I think it's a sneaky need. I think it's a
Speaker 1: sneaky need. I do I think. I like, there's no guarantee.
Speaker 1: I would love Donovan Wilson to be back here. We
Speaker 1: don't know if right, Malee Cooker this is what his second?
Speaker 1: Is this a second years? More? Um? And then also too,
Speaker 1: I feel like Israel mcquomwell kind of made things kind
Speaker 1: of weird because he was like, hey, guys, I know
Speaker 1: you want me to be a safety, but I'm a corner.
Speaker 1: And so I mean, you have Marquis Bell. I'm a corner.
Speaker 1: You have Marquis Bell sitting there in the wings, you know,
Speaker 1: but Jayron curses? What like is this his third year?
Speaker 1: Second year? Yea third year at the Cowboys. I mean you,
Speaker 1: I essentially think you could get a safety and I
Speaker 1: wouldn't be mad. I wouldn't be mad about it. But
Speaker 1: I've just been I tweeted yesterday, I was just thinking
Speaker 1: to myself, like, do you need a right tackle of
Speaker 1: being a backup at least because that kind of derailed
Speaker 1: your whole situation last year into so much so you
Speaker 1: have to put tyre in at right tackle I think
Speaker 1: Terren Steele is that guy, like he's gonna be fine,
Speaker 1: but he's coming back from an ACL injury. Don't know
Speaker 1: when he's gonna be one hundred percent. Then we'll know
Speaker 1: when he's gonna be there. Who's your backup right tackle?
Speaker 1: Right now? They'll tell you it's ball, and well, let's go.
Speaker 1: You'll put, you'll put, You'll say ball, question mark. I
Speaker 1: saw your tweet. I'm gonna continue to say ball question mark. However, sorry,
Speaker 1: I said. They do think, well, Let's go could eventually
Speaker 1: grow into like a starting caliber tackle. The whole training
Speaker 1: camp had played better in the last game they ball
Speaker 1: played them. They drafted him knowing he had the shoulder sublexation,
Speaker 1: so that was something where he was he was hurt
Speaker 1: the whole time. If that's somebody that like the size
Speaker 1: and the movement skills, they think is really rare at tackle,
Speaker 1: and so I know they think, well, let's go can
Speaker 1: be kind of grow into that. They didn't think he
Speaker 1: was ready last year. They knew he'd kind of have
Speaker 1: baptism by fire. But I think they believe, like, hey,
Speaker 1: give this two to three years. Yeah, he's a legitimate,
Speaker 1: you know, guy who could step in and spot starter. Eventually,
Speaker 1: you know, be somewhere and say, hey, that's somebody we
Speaker 1: feel like we can comfortably start a tackle. What about center? Okay,
Speaker 1: you're gonna about to be in your last year. Tyler Botts.
Speaker 1: He's a pro bowler, and hey, I love Tyler Biott.
Speaker 1: I think that to be the most most improved player
Speaker 1: on the team. Why you're gonna try and get that
Speaker 1: that kid from Minnesota. I'm about to just go for
Speaker 1: John Michael Schmidtz here. Oh my god, I think tell
Speaker 1: me about him. We haven't talked about him yet. This
Speaker 1: dude is a first round employer. You gotta save in
Speaker 1: your chest. Yeah, you're I think John Michael Schmidtz one
Speaker 1: of the best players in this raft period. Absolutely the
Speaker 1: center from the center from Minnesota. He is. He is
Speaker 1: an absolute stud. You watch a center play and you
Speaker 1: see a difference maker. This guy's special. Like, if you
Speaker 1: want to get it, they passed on last year, Well
Speaker 1: this guy. This guy's not small guy like Linderbaum. You know,
Speaker 1: we were just talking about small people with short arms
Speaker 1: and they didn't like that. Hey, don't talk about my
Speaker 1: guy that way, John Michael Schmidtz, you don't have that issue.
Speaker 1: This guy's six four, he's big, he moves people, he
Speaker 1: gains the second level. He's good and pass pro run blocking.
Speaker 1: He is an absolute stud. He's out of Minnesota and
Speaker 1: I loved him. And he's not even rated as the
Speaker 1: best center in this route depending on where you look.
Speaker 1: But the dude's a football player. He's quick, and he
Speaker 1: just seems like a pain in the rear type of
Speaker 1: guy to have to go up against. He's gonna make
Speaker 1: your day a living hell. He's got really good awareness
Speaker 1: and feel for where rushers are coming from. He adjust accordingly,
Speaker 1: gets everybody lined up, moves people, finishes his blocks. He's
Speaker 1: got balanced. I love him. I absolutely love Wait wait
Speaker 1: till this cat gets picked, and he's gonna go. Oh,
Speaker 1: I told you this. That team always loves these kind
Speaker 1: of guys. Gonna be a Baltimore Dealers draft. Here telling you.
Speaker 1: The good thing is, I don't think it'll be the
Speaker 1: Eagles because last year they took their replacement, yeah of Kelsey,
Speaker 1: So just don't let him go within the division when
Speaker 1: the Cowboys don't take him. But that guy, just remember
Speaker 1: the name. He's gonna be amazing. We can credit Washington.
Speaker 1: They're not gonna pick him, and then maybe New York
Speaker 1: picks him. They're kind of trending in the right direction.
Speaker 1: Maybe they make a smart And I'm not trying to
Speaker 1: get Ridio Tyler Beatis. I'm a big you just did
Speaker 1: you gave like this this report? Like you knew guy
Speaker 1: like right now? Yeah? Base off of that you gave me.
Speaker 1: Give me John Michael, let's roll. All right, he's good.
Speaker 1: Did you watch him, Brian? Oh? Yeah, what do you
Speaker 1: think about it? He's not wrong, did you Yeah? He's
Speaker 1: I was so impressed with him at the Senior Bowl.
Speaker 1: Is the way that he he's um, he's really he's
Speaker 1: technically savvy in my opinion. His hands are so good,
Speaker 1: the way that he can readjust you know, to like
Speaker 1: the initial punch of guy and like he's powerful where
Speaker 1: he can take the impact and be like, oh let
Speaker 1: me fix you real quick. Yeah, let me let's have
Speaker 1: a talk my guy. All right? Final question this comes
Speaker 1: from Mike. I like it they had him right. Do
Speaker 1: you guys believe that Marvin mims junior style of play
Speaker 1: can win at the NFL level at his smaller size
Speaker 1: wide receiver. Mid round pick Oklahoma, Zach, you and I
Speaker 1: sat in this very Studio a couple of years ago
Speaker 1: talked about him playing for Frisco lone Star in high
Speaker 1: school back in the day. What do you think about
Speaker 1: him translating to the league. I think Marvin Mims can translate.
Speaker 1: I think the question will be is he a guy
Speaker 1: that can win outside? He could be a slot only
Speaker 1: type of guy. He gets back to what Bobby was
Speaker 1: talking about. Yeah, you think he can win Bobby, Um,
Speaker 1: they're right, he doesnt get pumped off some routes. I
Speaker 1: think it's more feasible for Mems to line up outside
Speaker 1: than guys like Flowers of Downs we've talked about today. Um,
Speaker 1: mid round pick so you because I think Mems could
Speaker 1: go like third round? Yeah, yeah, Okay. When I remember
Speaker 1: what I normally think, like fourth, fifth, I was like, ah,
Speaker 1: like I thought Marvin Moms was better than Actually I'm three.
Speaker 1: If I say mid round, I'm usually thinking like three
Speaker 1: to six, six is probably late round. I should probably
Speaker 1: move that to like three four the job I'm trying,
Speaker 1: you know, yeah generic Look, I mean like Mems is
Speaker 1: a guy who I think is a decent route runner.
Speaker 1: I don't know about when he goes over the middle
Speaker 1: of the field. You got some of the contested catch
Speaker 1: stuff that's not always great with mems M. But he's
Speaker 1: somebody who I think as a project in the third round,
Speaker 1: Like like, I mean, you can't expect him to step
Speaker 1: in and play right away, but it's somebody who if
Speaker 1: you take him in the third round, I think it's
Speaker 1: somebody that if you have the patience and the ability
Speaker 1: to to which this team right now does not, specifically
Speaker 1: for Dallas, he's somebody that if you let him kind
Speaker 1: of grow a little bit, you know, two years into this,
Speaker 1: I think he could play inside out. Yeah, I'll tell you.
Speaker 1: Bobby's got him dead right. And I think his best
Speaker 1: to trade is his ability to track the ball. That's
Speaker 1: kind of where I you know, I saw him. Everything
Speaker 1: Bobby said is absolutely right about the player. But like
Speaker 1: when you say when when he goes and see when
Speaker 1: he sees the ball, he's gonna he's gonna likely make
Speaker 1: the catch. I mean, he makes some really good adjusting
Speaker 1: catches when you watch him play. So the concentration and
Speaker 1: all that, but I think that again it goes back
Speaker 1: to that slight build of a lot of these wide receivers.
Speaker 1: I'm interested to see how they when you talk to scouts,
Speaker 1: whether it's at the you know, pro days or whatever,
Speaker 1: you know, combine. I'd like for them to rank the
Speaker 1: slightly built wide receivers for me, you know, give me
Speaker 1: an idea. How do you see? I mean that might
Speaker 1: be whoever figures out the slightly built wide receivers in
Speaker 1: what order that might be that that might be the
Speaker 1: key to this draft, especially at wide receivers. And also
Speaker 1: how they how they I would like to know. I
Speaker 1: don't know who's who's going, but I would like to
Speaker 1: know how they if they look at a player, If
Speaker 1: a scouts looking at a player like, hey, he is
Speaker 1: kind of small, Well, if you do take a chance
Speaker 1: on him and bring him in, how do you go
Speaker 1: about maybe one him to put on size? Do you
Speaker 1: want him to put on size? Like? Is that something
Speaker 1: that some of these got these scouts are willing to do, Like, hey, yeah,
Speaker 1: I want to take this guy and he can do this,
Speaker 1: but maybe I want him to put on tim more pounds.
Speaker 1: Is that something that they do? Is that something that
Speaker 1: they say to play vast guys to put on weight?
Speaker 1: And I don't know that you'd ask mems to put
Speaker 1: on weight as much as like I don't know that
Speaker 1: Mems down. Yeah, I think Mems this thing more with
Speaker 1: the the getting knocked off the routes and stuff like.
Speaker 1: I think that's just about you know, that's been a
Speaker 1: more polished route. Rondwars. I don't think the I don't
Speaker 1: think the size is what really He's a one two,
Speaker 1: which is not just but he plays. He plays bigger
Speaker 1: to me than flowers are down stuff. Ye about his
Speaker 1: ability to track the ball, like Brian said, in his
Speaker 1: body controls is what sets him apart. I mean I
Speaker 1: got to go to that Texas so You game two
Speaker 1: years ago, that catch he made by the pylon. One
Speaker 1: of the best players I've ever seen, and that was
Speaker 1: Son in his face he went up and snagged that football.
Speaker 1: Marvin Mims is head of a player. I think he
Speaker 1: got three d have w kids from our backyard that
Speaker 1: played high school football here that are going to be
Speaker 1: successful at the next level. I think Jackson Smith and
Speaker 1: Jigba my favorite receiver in the draft. I know some
Speaker 1: disagree with that. I don't think you overthink it. I
Speaker 1: think that kid's going to be an absolute star. I
Speaker 1: like Rashi Rice. We'll have to see about the off
Speaker 1: the field issues. I know speed is an issue for him.
Speaker 1: That dude just goes ahead. Hey, well look this is
Speaker 1: something Bobby said earlier. Oh now you're blaming Bobby. I'm
Speaker 1: blaming Bobby. I'm putting this on the beltster. And then
Speaker 1: I do think Marvin Mims is going to be successful
Speaker 1: as well. And you didn't even mention Quentin Johnson too,
Speaker 1: and in that same scenario too wide receiver too. Yeah. Wow,
Speaker 1: look at you Texas guys up front for Zach Waltcha.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, what I don't I haven't Maybe I don't know,
Speaker 1: but like the off the field stuff, maybe Rice, Yeah,
Speaker 1: we can talk about maybe I don't know. I like
Speaker 1: the guy. Let's take our second break when we come back,
Speaker 1: which my issue with the problem is with Rice. No,
Speaker 1: we may talk about that. We're gonna do some tell
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Speaker 1: Draft Show. Back here on the final segment of the
Speaker 1: Draft Show Wednesday edition. We'll be back tomorrow eleven am
Speaker 1: Central time to continue breaking it down with you. All right,
Speaker 1: time for some tell me more. I want to hear
Speaker 1: about a couple of safeties, guys, because Aisha's over here
Speaker 1: in the corner, standing on the table, yelling, shouting from
Speaker 1: the rooftops that safety might be a sneaky need. So
Speaker 1: I want to hear about some of these. He put
Speaker 1: you on that. How are you going a lot like that?
Speaker 1: I mean, we heard it earlier. It's on to table.
Speaker 1: There was totally some standing on the table. My legs
Speaker 1: won't even let me get a I don't know, I
Speaker 1: saw you standing up. You're waving around Jordan Battle out
Speaker 1: of Alabama. Tell me more. Brian brought us. I'll tell
Speaker 1: you what, man. You know, he might not run great,
Speaker 1: but this guy is a fierce tackler. And I love
Speaker 1: the way he deals with ball carriers in space, the
Speaker 1: way he throws his body around, he gets through trash.
Speaker 1: He's got range. I mean, you know the speed, sure,
Speaker 1: but man, I think he reads routes quick enough and
Speaker 1: it allows him to drive on the ball. He's got
Speaker 1: some good ball skills. I think he's a finisher. He
Speaker 1: has a feel ford of time to break in order
Speaker 1: to make the play and be disruptive. So you know,
Speaker 1: you see him carry guys down the field. He's kind
Speaker 1: of a right place at the right time player. You know.
Speaker 1: I didn't see him get fooled very much. I feel
Speaker 1: like he does a really good job of playing with
Speaker 1: his eyes, and I think that's something that if you
Speaker 1: lack speed, you can find ways to manipulate to get
Speaker 1: to the ball. And I think is this guy's playing
Speaker 1: a ton of big games in his career and none
Speaker 1: of it ever looks too big for him to watch
Speaker 1: him play. So I am a big fan his. Can
Speaker 1: I mention one other guy real quick that I'm a
Speaker 1: fan of yea and yeah, and I'll see if you
Speaker 1: guys have seen it, I'll give you tell me more
Speaker 1: if you guys done, Ronnie Hickman from Ohio State. Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: well then let me ask you another guy. Then? How
Speaker 1: about how about this? How about Christopher Smith from George
Speaker 1: George watched all right, let me talk about Christopher Smith
Speaker 1: real quick. Then he's in Safety from Georgia. This is
Speaker 1: another physical guy. He's always around the ball, He sees
Speaker 1: the field. He's really good at reacting. You know, he's
Speaker 1: the awareness that you know, the eyes are always at
Speaker 1: the right spot. With this guys, he'll make his share
Speaker 1: it plays either near the line or deep. You know,
Speaker 1: the movement is really really good. I'm super impressed with that.
Speaker 1: The way he's able to drive on the ball from deep.
Speaker 1: This guy can also he's a blitzer and so you
Speaker 1: can you know, you can kind of play him up
Speaker 1: and rush him. You could play him in coverage. I
Speaker 1: think his smarts are really, really, really good. So a
Speaker 1: name to keep an eye on if you're looking at safeties.
Speaker 1: Christopher Smith from Georgia was one, and then you need
Speaker 1: to watch the kid from from Ohio State as well.
Speaker 1: That would be would yeah, Ronnie Hickman. Now I think
Speaker 1: you need to watch those two. And I liked Hickman
Speaker 1: because I got to go see Ohio State play Iowa
Speaker 1: at the Shoe and Hickman did stand out to me.
Speaker 1: I thought he was a good player. But I'm with
Speaker 1: you on Jordan Battle and he to me, is the
Speaker 1: one guy that I we've been able to see his
Speaker 1: coverage ability like I think he's a true deep center
Speaker 1: center fielder, shows a lot of good range that I
Speaker 1: have some question Like Antonio Johnson from A and M.
Speaker 1: I love him like, I think he's a good down
Speaker 1: downhill player, tackles really well. I think he can cover
Speaker 1: tight ends, but I have some questions on can he
Speaker 1: play deep, Like can can he go ahead and play
Speaker 1: the center field role for you? Or is each more
Speaker 1: of a true strong safety play within the box. Jordan
Speaker 1: Battle to me, shows a lot of good versatility. The
Speaker 1: thing with Johnson though that I noticed and I didn't
Speaker 1: maybe you didn't. I just they put him in the slot.
Speaker 1: They did, like, you know, here's the guy six pounds
Speaker 1: playing in the slot. I shoudn't see him play him back. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I see what you're saying. Bat battle will run better.
Speaker 1: I think then he looks on tape. I think his
Speaker 1: testing speed will look good. I don't. I don't think
Speaker 1: he's gonna blow it away, but I think he'll come
Speaker 1: out and it'll look fine. It's it's not gonna be egregious.
Speaker 1: That's if not. They'll get him faster at Alabama because
Speaker 1: I'll go time him and i'll get him at thirty
Speaker 1: eight yards. Yeah, they'll go all the way down. Then
Speaker 1: my clock will get him at thirty eight, not forty.
Speaker 1: Trip to Tuscaloosa. There's a couple of guys there. We've
Speaker 1: done that a couple of times. I would cowboys dot
Speaker 1: Com made road trips to Tuscaloosa. You think Eric would
Speaker 1: let us rent an RV. Let's just roll. We've done
Speaker 1: that before too. I think we should. I think with
Speaker 1: dream Land barbecue is calling her name. That sounds nice.
Speaker 1: Are you sure any safeties that you've had your eye on? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was looking at one last night. Um Uh, Boise
Speaker 1: State jail skinner dude. I like him. He's he's a
Speaker 1: he's a dude. Um. I like how vicious he plays,
Speaker 1: and you would look at him and you would think
Speaker 1: that with how vicious he plays, that he has a
Speaker 1: whole bunch of penalties and stuff. He has a lot
Speaker 1: of control. I was also listening to an interview where
Speaker 1: he was just kind of talking about picking and choosing
Speaker 1: when he wants to lay the hammer, and he died.
Speaker 1: I think he diagnosis well, Um, obviously he can be
Speaker 1: in a box player, but he showed us tell in
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl especially, the biggest thing was like Kenny cover,
Speaker 1: Kenny whatever, and he's his I just feel like at
Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage, he's first, like putting it, when
Speaker 1: he puts his hands on you, when he gets his
Speaker 1: hands on guys, or just like like bounces off of him,
Speaker 1: like you can feel him. He's a physical dude. But
Speaker 1: I was impressed. I was a pressed impressed by him
Speaker 1: watching him last night. I think you can play six four,
Speaker 1: two ten, big dude at safety, massive, massive frame. We're
Speaker 1: actually looking at some highlights of him right now. He's
Speaker 1: a hard hitter, he's a thumper, comes down here, he's
Speaker 1: a thumper. And I was again like when you when
Speaker 1: you look at guys that are thumpers and stuff like that,
Speaker 1: you say yourself, Okay, well what type angles are they taking?
Speaker 1: Are they like? And he's very key to He talks
Speaker 1: about it a lot, like how important it is is
Speaker 1: that even though he is a hard hitter and he
Speaker 1: chooses to do that, he wants to set the tone
Speaker 1: of like taking the right angles and being in the
Speaker 1: put right position and stuff. I like the player a lot,
Speaker 1: and I think, um, he also too, He's gonna clean
Speaker 1: up a lot of trash for you. Yeah, he's gonna
Speaker 1: clean up a lot of trash if he decided to
Speaker 1: use him in the nickel or if you have decided
Speaker 1: to ad him in the box, Like he's able to
Speaker 1: come in there, and he's gonna help him run support
Speaker 1: as well. He's a run defense machine, tackle machine. Uh
Speaker 1: nine nine and a half tackles for lost, two hundred
Speaker 1: and eight tackles. Yeah, I mean, is this come on,
Speaker 1: get out of here. Yeah. And he's also too just
Speaker 1: he's around the ball all the time. He's around the
Speaker 1: ball all the time. That boys he field. Let me
Speaker 1: tell you something. I was watching that tough on your eyes.
Speaker 1: Oh man, he triggered my migraines. Yesterday. I was like, okay,
Speaker 1: well here here, here we go better in life. Yeah? Wait,
Speaker 1: wait you catch? Wait you catch. In Eastern Washington, where
Speaker 1: they throw a red red field, we stop red field. Worse,
Speaker 1: Eastern Michigan will throw a gray field on your two stop.
Speaker 1: I enjoyed Washinga. He's got purple and gray every five yards.
Speaker 1: There you go. Now, I had to pick and choose,
Speaker 1: like how long I watched him? But he's lengthy. I
Speaker 1: think he's gonna be him right. Yeah, I like him
Speaker 1: a lot. I like him a lot, but that's my guy.
Speaker 1: So a couple of safeties to round out the draft show.
Speaker 1: I really like Jail Skinner. I'm glad you brought him up.
Speaker 1: I was excited to see him in the ball game,
Speaker 1: but he was too scared to play in North Texas.
Speaker 1: Lets go. He can't believe he opted out, got this
Speaker 1: future or something. He decided not to play the main Green.
Speaker 1: He don't want to fraid that we're gonna get hurt.
Speaker 1: Zach and Green part don't happened? All right? Does it?
Speaker 1: For us? Here? On this Wednesday? We will be back
Speaker 1: tomorrow like I said, eleven am Central Time. More Draft
Speaker 1: Show here from the Star in Frisco for Bobby Belt.
Speaker 1: Brian brought us Zack Walt, Chuck Ayesha Morrison, and Chris
Speaker 1: Beam in the backup Kyle Yoman saying so long, thanks
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