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Speaker 1: This is the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show, your

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Speaker 1: within the confines of Cowboys Headquarters at the Star in Frisco,

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Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys, Tyler Smith and now your host, Kyle Yeoman's.

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Speaker 1: Today is Wednesday, February twenty second, twenty twenty three. We

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Speaker 1: are sixty five days away from the NFL Draft in

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Speaker 1: Kansas City, and we welcome you into the Draft Show,

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Speaker 1: presented by Miller White here from the Star in Frisco

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Speaker 1: and the s WBC studios. We have got a packed

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Speaker 1: house tonight for a couple of reasons. Because we're back

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Speaker 1: with Brian Protus, We're back with Bobby Belt, We've got

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Speaker 1: Aisha Morrison. I'm Kyle Yeoman's Chris Beam in the back

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Speaker 1: and introducing for the first time ever on the Draft Show,

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Speaker 1: one of five three the fans very own Zach Waltz.

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Speaker 1: How's it going. It's going great. What's going on. It's

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Speaker 1: a pleasure to be here, very show. Thank you very much.

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Speaker 1: You've been studying, of course, I've been studying you kidding

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Speaker 1: made ready to go. I gotta work across from you

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Speaker 1: every day on the back. So you've been putting the

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Speaker 1: pressure on. Yeah, hard out here. You gotta get this

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Speaker 1: thing going. Man. Yeah, you guys do radio from two

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Speaker 1: to seven weekday, Monday through Friday. How much is that

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Speaker 1: as draft talk? We wish a lot more, not enough. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we really, we honestly could have. You know, we could

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Speaker 1: have a show of five hours of draft talk. I

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Speaker 1: think we could. You know, I think that people are

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Speaker 1: that interested, especially you know, the one thing I always

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Speaker 1: talk about this show is the one stop shop where

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Speaker 1: you know, if you're a Cowboy fan, if you're a

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Speaker 1: Buccaneers fan, whatever, you can come and listen to this

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Speaker 1: show and get draft talk. I think you could do

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Speaker 1: the same thing on the radio, but you have to

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Speaker 1: and of course you have to talk about the Rangers

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Speaker 1: and the MAVs and you know, but when when the

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Speaker 1: time comes when you get to the combine and we're

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Speaker 1: pro days and stuff, and it starts to get closer

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Speaker 1: to the draft, you could feel the station start to

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Speaker 1: gotta be a little bit careful about it. But man,

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Speaker 1: me personally, I could talk to draft five hours a day.

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Speaker 1: Will you hear that beam. We're gonna do it five

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Speaker 1: hours today. So well you're gonna get from eleven to four. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you're gonna get to uh you're you're gonna get to

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Speaker 1: do that in the end end of April. Right, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's true. Yeah, you'll be fine. I'm Carlotas. Yeah, so

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Speaker 1: you've listened to the Draft Show a couple years right?

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Speaker 1: Oh heck, yes, are you kidding me? I grew up

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Speaker 1: on the Draft Show. This is this is awesome. I'm

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Speaker 1: stoked to be here with you. Obviously u nt brethren.

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Speaker 1: You and I've done a lot of work together Kyle

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Speaker 1: so and getting to work with Brian and Bobby at

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Speaker 1: one oh five through the fan love the work that

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Speaker 1: Aish has been doing as well. So this is a

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Speaker 1: dream come true to get to be a part of

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Speaker 1: the Draft Show. I've always been a draft nerd, and

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Speaker 1: I've been watching Brian from afar, and I've always wanted

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Speaker 1: And we'll see. I'm expecting him to kinda to bust

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Speaker 1: Let's get into it. Absolutely. Combine starts next week. We

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Speaker 1: the one one we have advantages and we have disadvantages

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Speaker 1: We went through some scenarios last Thursday where it was

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Speaker 1: But it's more so of a would you rather around

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Speaker 1: based off of the tape, based off of the scenarios

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Speaker 1: would you rather have? Well, I haven't gotten into Stevenson

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Speaker 1: I think Deontay Banks is better than Stevenson. Stevenson, I

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Speaker 1: think I think Stevenson's a little grabby for me. Now,

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Speaker 1: this is something where I think all Cowboy fans are

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Speaker 1: he's better when he presses and plays up and he's

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Speaker 1: able to be physical at the line of scrimmage. Now,

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Speaker 1: Tyreek Stevenson to me, I watched more of his twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty one compared to his play last season, and I

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Speaker 1: I think he does make a little bit more plays

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Speaker 1: good about Deonte Banks. I think it'd be a fun

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Speaker 1: All Right, scenario number two day two wide receivers, which

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Speaker 1: He's not a body catcher. This dude's gonna go and

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Speaker 1: I know you brought up Parker Washington previously. Yeah, he's

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Speaker 1: I mean this cat he's five ten, he's two ten.

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Speaker 1: That's where I'm working on a problem, right there. You

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Speaker 1: Between Josh Downs and Washington, I feel like, obviously both

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Speaker 1: It's funny because you look at Zay Flowers and Downs

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Speaker 1: If he's gonna play linebacker, it's got to be Will

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Speaker 1: knock to those gentlemen, but he doesn't. He's so he's

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Speaker 1: big like not it is not a bad thing, like

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Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like, but he looks big

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Speaker 1: out there plus sue bulky twenty pounds. Yeah, I'm not

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Speaker 1: saying about elv. Yeah, don't give me, don't kick me up,

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Speaker 1: We're not gonna kick you out exactly what. He's got

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Speaker 1: a unique type of build. Yeah, and the way his

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Speaker 1: legs are as well. He's got skinny legs, big upper body.

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Speaker 1: I think he is a wild player. Overshown is he's

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Speaker 1: raw sense in a sense, I'm not a big overshown guy.

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Speaker 1: To me, I see a lot of traits that Malik

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Speaker 1: Jefferson had. Malik Jefferson was in and out of the league,

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Speaker 1: like I think de Mario overshows a guy that's going

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Speaker 1: to be a se scouting the helmet because of the

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Speaker 1: Texas could be. But to me, I wanted to like

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Speaker 1: the player, and I see upside with him. But I

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Speaker 1: would tell Noah Shouel because there's times I'm watching over

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Speaker 1: shown and I'm like, what the heck are you doing?

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Speaker 1: Like I don't see the instincts with him. I see

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Speaker 1: the instincts was Suel. The problem with Seoul is I

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Speaker 1: don't know that he always has the speed to get

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Speaker 1: to where he needs to go. I don't think that's

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Speaker 1: a bad comp Malik Jefferson now over soon smaller than

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Speaker 1: Malik Jefferson. But it was the same issue with Malik

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Speaker 1: where when Malik saw it right. When Malik guessed right,

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Speaker 1: it was devastating. And when he missed it was twenty

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Speaker 1: yards down the sideline. And that's what I think you

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Speaker 1: see sometimes. In fact, Malik probably got off blocks a

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Speaker 1: little better than Overshown does. So is that just not

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Speaker 1: the ability to freelance as a linebacker. He's just got

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Speaker 1: to have better awareness and recognition, because that's kind of

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Speaker 1: what he's doing, is just playing head down the whole time. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he's gotten better, and I mean he has somebody who

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Speaker 1: is transitioning a little bit from you know, he's still

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Speaker 1: he was used all over. They used him as a

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Speaker 1: pass rusher at times earlier, and so I mean he's

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Speaker 1: used in a number of different facets. So the fact

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Speaker 1: that he'll now be able to focus on one thing

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Speaker 1: and do that, I think you did see progress and

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Speaker 1: hopefully that would continue, but you'd be banking on something, man.

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Speaker 1: I think the thing about Seul is some of his

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Speaker 1: big hit he'll make some really big hits and he'll

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Speaker 1: make some big ass misses though too. Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 1: and when you watch him play, and the thing about

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Speaker 1: it is, I love how stout he is. I think

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Speaker 1: under a little bit better control. That's the thing that

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Speaker 1: I kind of worry about him as a player. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I think that's something that you could look at. He

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Speaker 1: was just a sophomore at Oregon too, came out early,

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Speaker 1: so he's still a younger guy in Seul to where

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Speaker 1: he could maybe grow into that that scenario we've seen

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Speaker 1: Dan Quinn and he does this with LV and he

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Speaker 1: hell he likes to blitz the linebackers. Noah Seul I

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Speaker 1: put a note. I think he times his blitz is

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Speaker 1: pretty well and I think that that's something the Cowboys

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Speaker 1: might like when they watch him. And Noah Sul is

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Speaker 1: a guy that I did just think he was a

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Speaker 1: very instinctive player. He diagnoses play as well. I would

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Speaker 1: you're able to get him at the end of day

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Speaker 1: two in the third round, that that'd be a great possum. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that'd be huge all right time for our first break.

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Speaker 1: So a couple of scenarios that we were able to

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Speaker 1: all right. First one comes from Steve on Twitter. He said,

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Speaker 1: are the Cowboys willing to draft a smaller player? That's

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Speaker 1: a big question because we just talked about some smaller

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Speaker 1: wide receivers. They're good wide receivers, and it's a deep

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Speaker 1: running back class, but they'll severely limit their options and

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Speaker 1: the pool drives up quicker if they continue to stay

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Speaker 1: away from the smaller guys. Bobby, do you think that's

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Speaker 1: a possibility. Smaller guys where dall like? But but where like?

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Speaker 1: I think that some areas that wouldn't matter to them,

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Speaker 1: and running This team does not like small receivers, does

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Speaker 1: not like small running backs. In fact, it's it's nuts.

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Speaker 1: If you look, there is no team in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: I don't think over the last probably during the Will

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Speaker 1: McClay era, I don't think there's any team that's acquired

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Speaker 1: more six foot running backs than the Cowboys. Every single

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Speaker 1: last one of the running backs they get is always

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Speaker 1: six feet or bigger. They're usually two fifteen to twenty.

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Speaker 1: They don't like the smaller built running backs. You can

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Speaker 1: just see that by the way you know who they've

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Speaker 1: acquired and who they've drafted. I mean, go back over

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Speaker 1: the history of Mike Weber, Bo Scarborough, Ezekiel Elliott, Tony Power.

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Speaker 1: You're talking about all guys who are like six six

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Speaker 1: one two fifteen to twenty two, twenty five. And then

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Speaker 1: the receivers. No, I think that unless you are just

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Speaker 1: a very precise, smaller receiver, a very precise route runner

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Speaker 1: who doesn't get you know, the size doesn't affect them

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Speaker 1: in terms of getting off a press, They're they're not

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Speaker 1: gonna take one of the small receivers. They don't want

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Speaker 1: guys who are limited to the slot. So Za Flowers,

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Speaker 1: Josh Downs, those are not guys I think they would like.

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Speaker 1: Should a chain from A and M no go at

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Speaker 1: running back, the baggy fans are gonna be upset. Typically,

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Speaker 1: smaller guys are not their their flavor. And who was

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Speaker 1: the last one of your lance Stunbar? Yeah? Probably yeah Green?

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Speaker 1: What about five eleven? Can can we get a five

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Speaker 1: eleven five eleven and a half all right, so we

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Speaker 1: still have the tay Jay Spears dream alive. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: he's slight though. That's the problem is he's a little

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Speaker 1: light in the butt. Because even five to eleven, they

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Speaker 1: picked up Malik Davis. They like Malie Davis, but he's

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Speaker 1: still over two hundred pounds. It was got some beef

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Speaker 1: to him. I was blown away and there was so

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Speaker 1: much higher, so much high watching this kid. So I

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Speaker 1: put him on. I'm like, okay, I'm ready to pick him.

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Speaker 1: Aparts five nine, two oh five. That's not too thin

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Speaker 1: for his his height. Yeah, dud, dude's a dream. He

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Speaker 1: can do everything you want. He can catch it out

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Speaker 1: of the backfield. He's the best player on the field.

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Speaker 1: And that includes against USC. He was I watched me.

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Speaker 1: It's USC, Houston, Cincinnati, and in the big moments, you

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Speaker 1: go to that guy, he'll make a play for you.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you talk about some pound for pound best

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Speaker 1: players in this draft. He's up there. That dude special.

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Speaker 1: What do you think, Brian, I'll tell you what. I

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Speaker 1: like what you're saying. I think this is a really

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Speaker 1: good group of running backs. So I think this wide

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Speaker 1: receiver group is not as good as what we've seen

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Speaker 1: the last two or three years. I'm a little scared

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Speaker 1: about that. I was gonna ask you, guys, if you

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Speaker 1: get seen Kancy from Pittsburgh, the defensive tackle. I watched

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Speaker 1: him after you talked, Okay, this is what This is

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Speaker 1: a guy you need to watch. This six foot you know,

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Speaker 1: two hundred and seventy five pound guy that will challenge

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Speaker 1: your That will challenge your your your thought about drafting

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Speaker 1: a small guy or a short guy. That will challenge

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Speaker 1: you right there because you start to see it and

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Speaker 1: you're going to guy, this guy's making a ton of plays.

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Speaker 1: Oh damn, he's only six foot tall. You know that

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Speaker 1: kind of thing. So I'm always interested in these players.

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Speaker 1: My old boss of the Packers, Ron Wolf, who was

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Speaker 1: You say, Brian, a kid better walk on water if

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Speaker 1: he's short, you know, so you better walk on water

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Speaker 1: if you're one of those players. You got anybody that

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Speaker 1: walks on water? I usually no, I'm just it's fust

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Speaker 1: It's frustrating to me to a degree because I feel

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Speaker 1: like I understand you hate the way play people draft

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Speaker 1: just I understand the stipulations and stuff, but I just

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Speaker 1: feel as though, like, if they play, they play right,

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Speaker 1: that's you. I'm learning this about you. You are. If

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Speaker 1: they play, they play like if the guy's a difference maker,

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Speaker 1: the guy is a difference maker. And also too, I

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Speaker 1: mean your quarterback has succeeded with a smaller slot corner.

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00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:11,480
Speaker 1: I mean Cole Beasley got the Cole Beasley started looking

637
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 1: like a receiver receiver when Dak got it when he

638
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:18,000
Speaker 1: started playing with Dak Man. And I really honestly feel

639
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 1: like that was a dope security blanket for your quarterback.

640
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:24,000
Speaker 1: He's seen success with those. And even if Randall Cobb

641
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 1: when he was here was able to see some success

642
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 1: with Dak too, And just having that smaller guy that's dependable,

643
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 1: that's just kind of there and that can get open

644
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:34,320
Speaker 1: on his own is made a difference with this quarterback.

645
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:36,840
Speaker 1: And so that's what's frustrating to me, is like, yeah,

646
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:39,640
Speaker 1: you may have your idea of what a quarter wide

647
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 1: receiver should look like, but what has helped your quarterback succeed.

648
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 1: I'll never forget this working for Bill Parcels. He hated

649
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 1: dat when and Dexter Cokeley hated him when he got in.

650
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 1: He goes I got to get rid of these two guys.

651
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:53,960
Speaker 1: By the end of it, he was like, what was

652
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:57,040
Speaker 1: I thinking about these players? And to your point, though,

653
00:30:57,400 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 1: you know, if you could play, you could play, you know,

654
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 1: I mean every some teams do have this, the parameters,

655
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 1: and you know they don't. They don't want to mismatch

656
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 1: looking team. They want all the same looking guys getting

657
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 1: off the bus. But there's some teams that will take

658
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 1: that will take smaller guys because they have vision for

659
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 1: the players, shorter guys because they have vision for the players.

660
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:17,960
Speaker 1: And even a guy like a crusty old guy like

661
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:22,200
Speaker 1: Bill Parcels fell in love with dat Win and in

662
00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:25,080
Speaker 1: Dexter Coco, I think because they make plays. Parcels gave

663
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:26,920
Speaker 1: an interview later in his career too, where I think

664
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:28,760
Speaker 1: he said dat when as the player he was most

665
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 1: wrong about in the entire time of his time working

666
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 1: in the NFL. There's something to it, man, if you're

667
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 1: a little shorter guy. But Tysha's point though, if you

668
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:39,240
Speaker 1: make plays, there's a reason to have you on that

669
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 1: on that fifty three man roster. I mean, I get

670
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 1: worrying about like guys being able to get off a press,

671
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 1: especially since this seems like it's kind of an a

672
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:48,240
Speaker 1: press league and all that stuff. But at the same time,

673
00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:51,120
Speaker 1: it's just like, I don't know, that's that's just kind

674
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:53,720
Speaker 1: of where I'm at with it. Like, I guess can't

675
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 1: be choosers out here in these streets, and you need

676
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 1: a wide receiver. And even so this philosophy is kind

677
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:00,560
Speaker 1: of to me, what got you in trouble this season?

678
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 1: If you're talking about the Cowboys, is hey, a lot

679
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:05,280
Speaker 1: of your receivers look the same lately, they looked like

680
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:07,240
Speaker 1: the say, they look the same, they do the same things,

681
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:09,400
Speaker 1: and you have to bring in a t y who

682
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:13,240
Speaker 1: was a totally different body shape, smaller guy to you know,

683
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 1: kind of boost your offense. So I'm just like, come on,

684
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:18,480
Speaker 1: let's let's get it, Like, let's do what's best for

685
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 1: what your quarterback is doing and what he needs here.

686
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 1: Small doesn't bug this staff as long as they feel

687
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 1: you can play outside. Say that. So if you if you,

688
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:28,240
Speaker 1: if you are in this, if they feel your slot specific,

689
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 1: that's where they have a problem. It's it's not the

690
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:32,120
Speaker 1: size as much as it is you got to show

691
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 1: you can play outside. If we feel like you can't

692
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 1: play outside, we have no use for you. So we're

693
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:39,440
Speaker 1: starting we're starting a petition today. You can sign online

694
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:42,960
Speaker 1: at whatever website you choose, change dot org, change, yeah,

695
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 1: whatever it is. Yeah, I don't even know if there's

696
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 1: a sponsor or not. But we're drafting smaller players in

697
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:49,960
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three. You just want my name at the bottom. Okay,

698
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 1: takes one of no one. You guys, You guys might

699
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 1: want to have a word with the gentleman who puts

700
00:32:56,200 --> 00:33:00,360
Speaker 1: that board together. Yet that gentleman ate back in. We're

701
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 1: talking to him here now. We'll ask him about ask

702
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 1: him about I ask him that. Oh yeah, I asked

703
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 1: him about Hey, will ask him about that. We may

704
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 1: have to winfield junior nod. We tried. We talked about

705
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 1: that for four months. Upset. I was upset. Yes, well

706
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:21,040
Speaker 1: you were right about him, all right. Second question, Dan said,

707
00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 1: what is the most under the radar need for the

708
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 1: Cowboys this year? Would it be linebacker depth or safety? Kicker?

709
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:30,600
Speaker 1: Question mark or maybe somebody something else? He didn't you

710
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:33,840
Speaker 1: should go go on your rant about safety. I don't

711
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:35,720
Speaker 1: have a whole rant about safety. Sounds like you have

712
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:37,680
Speaker 1: a ran. I thought you and I were talking about this.

713
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:39,720
Speaker 1: You were saying this team is gonna you know, You're like,

714
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:41,680
Speaker 1: I think it's a sneaky need. I think it's a

715
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 1: sneaky need. I do I think. I like, there's no guarantee.

716
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:45,880
Speaker 1: I would love Donovan Wilson to be back here. We

717
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:50,480
Speaker 1: don't know if right, Malee Cooker this is what his second?

718
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:54,800
Speaker 1: Is this a second years? More? Um? And then also too,

719
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 1: I feel like Israel mcquomwell kind of made things kind

720
00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 1: of weird because he was like, hey, guys, I know

721
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 1: you want me to be a safety, but I'm a corner.

722
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 1: And so I mean, you have Marquis Bell. I'm a corner.

723
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 1: You have Marquis Bell sitting there in the wings, you know,

724
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:09,359
Speaker 1: but Jayron curses? What like is this his third year?

725
00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:12,560
Speaker 1: Second year? Yea third year at the Cowboys. I mean you,

726
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:15,440
Speaker 1: I essentially think you could get a safety and I

727
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 1: wouldn't be mad. I wouldn't be mad about it. But

728
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:21,440
Speaker 1: I've just been I tweeted yesterday, I was just thinking

729
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:24,560
Speaker 1: to myself, like, do you need a right tackle of

730
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 1: being a backup at least because that kind of derailed

731
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:30,279
Speaker 1: your whole situation last year into so much so you

732
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 1: have to put tyre in at right tackle I think

733
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:34,960
Speaker 1: Terren Steele is that guy, like he's gonna be fine,

734
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 1: but he's coming back from an ACL injury. Don't know

735
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:39,799
Speaker 1: when he's gonna be one hundred percent. Then we'll know

736
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:42,240
Speaker 1: when he's gonna be there. Who's your backup right tackle?

737
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:45,520
Speaker 1: Right now? They'll tell you it's ball, and well, let's go.

738
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:47,840
Speaker 1: You'll put, you'll put, You'll say ball, question mark. I

739
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 1: saw your tweet. I'm gonna continue to say ball question mark. However, sorry,

740
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:56,200
Speaker 1: I said. They do think, well, Let's go could eventually

741
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:59,920
Speaker 1: grow into like a starting caliber tackle. The whole training

742
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:02,399
Speaker 1: camp had played better in the last game they ball

743
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:05,680
Speaker 1: played them. They drafted him knowing he had the shoulder sublexation,

744
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:07,319
Speaker 1: so that was something where he was he was hurt

745
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 1: the whole time. If that's somebody that like the size

746
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:12,920
Speaker 1: and the movement skills, they think is really rare at tackle,

747
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:15,319
Speaker 1: and so I know they think, well, let's go can

748
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 1: be kind of grow into that. They didn't think he

749
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 1: was ready last year. They knew he'd kind of have

750
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 1: baptism by fire. But I think they believe, like, hey,

751
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:22,759
Speaker 1: give this two to three years. Yeah, he's a legitimate,

752
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:25,480
Speaker 1: you know, guy who could step in and spot starter. Eventually,

753
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 1: you know, be somewhere and say, hey, that's somebody we

754
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 1: feel like we can comfortably start a tackle. What about center? Okay,

755
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 1: you're gonna about to be in your last year. Tyler Botts.

756
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:37,720
Speaker 1: He's a pro bowler, and hey, I love Tyler Biott.

757
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:42,640
Speaker 1: I think that to be the most most improved player

758
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:44,560
Speaker 1: on the team. Why you're gonna try and get that

759
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:46,480
Speaker 1: that kid from Minnesota. I'm about to just go for

760
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:49,440
Speaker 1: John Michael Schmidtz here. Oh my god, I think tell

761
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 1: me about him. We haven't talked about him yet. This

762
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:55,360
Speaker 1: dude is a first round employer. You gotta save in

763
00:35:55,440 --> 00:36:00,120
Speaker 1: your chest. Yeah, you're I think John Michael Schmidtz one

764
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 1: of the best players in this raft period. Absolutely the

765
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 1: center from the center from Minnesota. He is. He is

766
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:09,239
Speaker 1: an absolute stud. You watch a center play and you

767
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 1: see a difference maker. This guy's special. Like, if you

768
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:15,919
Speaker 1: want to get it, they passed on last year, Well

769
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:19,319
Speaker 1: this guy. This guy's not small guy like Linderbaum. You know,

770
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 1: we were just talking about small people with short arms

771
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:23,360
Speaker 1: and they didn't like that. Hey, don't talk about my

772
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 1: guy that way, John Michael Schmidtz, you don't have that issue.

773
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:29,080
Speaker 1: This guy's six four, he's big, he moves people, he

774
00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:32,800
Speaker 1: gains the second level. He's good and pass pro run blocking.

775
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 1: He is an absolute stud. He's out of Minnesota and

776
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 1: I loved him. And he's not even rated as the

777
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:41,919
Speaker 1: best center in this route depending on where you look.

778
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:44,440
Speaker 1: But the dude's a football player. He's quick, and he

779
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 1: just seems like a pain in the rear type of

780
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:48,719
Speaker 1: guy to have to go up against. He's gonna make

781
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 1: your day a living hell. He's got really good awareness

782
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 1: and feel for where rushers are coming from. He adjust accordingly,

783
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:59,319
Speaker 1: gets everybody lined up, moves people, finishes his blocks. He's

784
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:03,879
Speaker 1: got balanced. I love him. I absolutely love Wait wait

785
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:07,160
Speaker 1: till this cat gets picked, and he's gonna go. Oh,

786
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 1: I told you this. That team always loves these kind

787
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 1: of guys. Gonna be a Baltimore Dealers draft. Here telling you.

788
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:15,719
Speaker 1: The good thing is, I don't think it'll be the

789
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:18,880
Speaker 1: Eagles because last year they took their replacement, yeah of Kelsey,

790
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 1: So just don't let him go within the division when

791
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 1: the Cowboys don't take him. But that guy, just remember

792
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:26,719
Speaker 1: the name. He's gonna be amazing. We can credit Washington.

793
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:28,799
Speaker 1: They're not gonna pick him, and then maybe New York

794
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:30,840
Speaker 1: picks him. They're kind of trending in the right direction.

795
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 1: Maybe they make a smart And I'm not trying to

796
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:35,359
Speaker 1: get Ridio Tyler Beatis. I'm a big you just did

797
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:38,520
Speaker 1: you gave like this this report? Like you knew guy

798
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:40,920
Speaker 1: like right now? Yeah? Base off of that you gave me.

799
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:46,279
Speaker 1: Give me John Michael, let's roll. All right, he's good.

800
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 1: Did you watch him, Brian? Oh? Yeah, what do you

801
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:52,960
Speaker 1: think about it? He's not wrong, did you Yeah? He's

802
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:55,480
Speaker 1: I was so impressed with him at the Senior Bowl.

803
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 1: Is the way that he he's um, he's really he's

804
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:01,719
Speaker 1: technically savvy in my opinion. His hands are so good,

805
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:04,239
Speaker 1: the way that he can readjust you know, to like

806
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 1: the initial punch of guy and like he's powerful where

807
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 1: he can take the impact and be like, oh let

808
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 1: me fix you real quick. Yeah, let me let's have

809
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:14,960
Speaker 1: a talk my guy. All right? Final question this comes

810
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:18,200
Speaker 1: from Mike. I like it they had him right. Do

811
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:22,160
Speaker 1: you guys believe that Marvin mims junior style of play

812
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 1: can win at the NFL level at his smaller size

813
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:29,719
Speaker 1: wide receiver. Mid round pick Oklahoma, Zach, you and I

814
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:32,439
Speaker 1: sat in this very Studio a couple of years ago

815
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 1: talked about him playing for Frisco lone Star in high

816
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:36,759
Speaker 1: school back in the day. What do you think about

817
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:40,640
Speaker 1: him translating to the league. I think Marvin Mims can translate.

818
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:42,279
Speaker 1: I think the question will be is he a guy

819
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 1: that can win outside? He could be a slot only

820
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 1: type of guy. He gets back to what Bobby was

821
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 1: talking about. Yeah, you think he can win Bobby, Um,

822
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:54,320
Speaker 1: they're right, he doesnt get pumped off some routes. I

823
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:56,760
Speaker 1: think it's more feasible for Mems to line up outside

824
00:38:56,760 --> 00:39:00,600
Speaker 1: than guys like Flowers of Downs we've talked about today. Um,

825
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 1: mid round pick so you because I think Mems could

826
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:08,439
Speaker 1: go like third round? Yeah, yeah, Okay. When I remember

827
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:10,120
Speaker 1: what I normally think, like fourth, fifth, I was like, ah,

828
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:12,480
Speaker 1: like I thought Marvin Moms was better than Actually I'm three.

829
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 1: If I say mid round, I'm usually thinking like three

830
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 1: to six, six is probably late round. I should probably

831
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:20,839
Speaker 1: move that to like three four the job I'm trying,

832
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 1: you know, yeah generic Look, I mean like Mems is

833
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:28,720
Speaker 1: a guy who I think is a decent route runner.

834
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 1: I don't know about when he goes over the middle

835
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:33,439
Speaker 1: of the field. You got some of the contested catch

836
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 1: stuff that's not always great with mems M. But he's

837
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 1: somebody who I think as a project in the third round,

838
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 1: Like like, I mean, you can't expect him to step

839
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 1: in and play right away, but it's somebody who if

840
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 1: you take him in the third round, I think it's

841
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:46,719
Speaker 1: somebody that if you have the patience and the ability

842
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 1: to to which this team right now does not, specifically

843
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:51,879
Speaker 1: for Dallas, he's somebody that if you let him kind

844
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:53,880
Speaker 1: of grow a little bit, you know, two years into this,

845
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:55,880
Speaker 1: I think he could play inside out. Yeah, I'll tell you.

846
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:58,840
Speaker 1: Bobby's got him dead right. And I think his best

847
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:01,319
Speaker 1: to trade is his ability to track the ball. That's

848
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:03,000
Speaker 1: kind of where I you know, I saw him. Everything

849
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:05,719
Speaker 1: Bobby said is absolutely right about the player. But like

850
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:07,560
Speaker 1: when you say when when he goes and see when

851
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:10,600
Speaker 1: he sees the ball, he's gonna he's gonna likely make

852
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:12,800
Speaker 1: the catch. I mean, he makes some really good adjusting

853
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:15,960
Speaker 1: catches when you watch him play. So the concentration and

854
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:18,960
Speaker 1: all that, but I think that again it goes back

855
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 1: to that slight build of a lot of these wide receivers.

856
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:24,560
Speaker 1: I'm interested to see how they when you talk to scouts,

857
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:27,880
Speaker 1: whether it's at the you know, pro days or whatever,

858
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 1: you know, combine. I'd like for them to rank the

859
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:33,920
Speaker 1: slightly built wide receivers for me, you know, give me

860
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:35,719
Speaker 1: an idea. How do you see? I mean that might

861
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:39,399
Speaker 1: be whoever figures out the slightly built wide receivers in

862
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:41,759
Speaker 1: what order that might be that that might be the

863
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:44,680
Speaker 1: key to this draft, especially at wide receivers. And also

864
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:46,840
Speaker 1: how they how they I would like to know. I

865
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:49,480
Speaker 1: don't know who's who's going, but I would like to

866
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:52,319
Speaker 1: know how they if they look at a player, If

867
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:54,080
Speaker 1: a scouts looking at a player like, hey, he is

868
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 1: kind of small, Well, if you do take a chance

869
00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:58,480
Speaker 1: on him and bring him in, how do you go

870
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:01,319
Speaker 1: about maybe one him to put on size? Do you

871
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:03,760
Speaker 1: want him to put on size? Like? Is that something

872
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 1: that some of these got these scouts are willing to do, Like, hey, yeah,

873
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:08,239
Speaker 1: I want to take this guy and he can do this,

874
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 1: but maybe I want him to put on tim more pounds.

875
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:12,480
Speaker 1: Is that something that they do? Is that something that

876
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 1: they say to play vast guys to put on weight?

877
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:17,839
Speaker 1: And I don't know that you'd ask mems to put

878
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 1: on weight as much as like I don't know that

879
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:23,680
Speaker 1: Mems down. Yeah, I think Mems this thing more with

880
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 1: the the getting knocked off the routes and stuff like.

881
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:29,799
Speaker 1: I think that's just about you know, that's been a

882
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:32,759
Speaker 1: more polished route. Rondwars. I don't think the I don't

883
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:35,600
Speaker 1: think the size is what really He's a one two,

884
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 1: which is not just but he plays. He plays bigger

885
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 1: to me than flowers are down stuff. Ye about his

886
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 1: ability to track the ball, like Brian said, in his

887
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:46,799
Speaker 1: body controls is what sets him apart. I mean I

888
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:48,440
Speaker 1: got to go to that Texas so You game two

889
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:52,239
Speaker 1: years ago, that catch he made by the pylon. One

890
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:54,480
Speaker 1: of the best players I've ever seen, and that was

891
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:57,800
Speaker 1: Son in his face he went up and snagged that football.

892
00:41:58,000 --> 00:41:59,400
Speaker 1: Marvin Mims is head of a player. I think he

893
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:01,600
Speaker 1: got three d have w kids from our backyard that

894
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:03,800
Speaker 1: played high school football here that are going to be

895
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 1: successful at the next level. I think Jackson Smith and

896
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 1: Jigba my favorite receiver in the draft. I know some

897
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:10,759
Speaker 1: disagree with that. I don't think you overthink it. I

898
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:12,759
Speaker 1: think that kid's going to be an absolute star. I

899
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 1: like Rashi Rice. We'll have to see about the off

900
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:17,719
Speaker 1: the field issues. I know speed is an issue for him.

901
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:20,719
Speaker 1: That dude just goes ahead. Hey, well look this is

902
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:22,759
Speaker 1: something Bobby said earlier. Oh now you're blaming Bobby. I'm

903
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 1: blaming Bobby. I'm putting this on the beltster. And then

904
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:27,920
Speaker 1: I do think Marvin Mims is going to be successful

905
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:31,239
Speaker 1: as well. And you didn't even mention Quentin Johnson too,

906
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:37,760
Speaker 1: and in that same scenario too wide receiver too. Yeah. Wow,

907
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 1: look at you Texas guys up front for Zach Waltcha.

908
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, what I don't I haven't Maybe I don't know,

909
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:47,000
Speaker 1: but like the off the field stuff, maybe Rice, Yeah,

910
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 1: we can talk about maybe I don't know. I like

911
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:52,879
Speaker 1: the guy. Let's take our second break when we come back,

912
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 1: which my issue with the problem is with Rice. No,

913
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Speaker 1: Central time to continue breaking it down with you. All right,

952
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:19,640
Speaker 1: time for some tell me more. I want to hear

953
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:22,880
Speaker 1: about a couple of safeties, guys, because Aisha's over here

954
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:26,560
Speaker 1: in the corner, standing on the table, yelling, shouting from

955
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 1: the rooftops that safety might be a sneaky need. So

956
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:30,960
Speaker 1: I want to hear about some of these. He put

957
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:33,200
Speaker 1: you on that. How are you going a lot like that?

958
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:36,720
Speaker 1: I mean, we heard it earlier. It's on to table.

959
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:38,919
Speaker 1: There was totally some standing on the table. My legs

960
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:40,920
Speaker 1: won't even let me get a I don't know, I

961
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:45,759
Speaker 1: saw you standing up. You're waving around Jordan Battle out

962
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 1: of Alabama. Tell me more. Brian brought us. I'll tell

963
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:51,000
Speaker 1: you what, man. You know, he might not run great,

964
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:55,439
Speaker 1: but this guy is a fierce tackler. And I love

965
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:58,480
Speaker 1: the way he deals with ball carriers in space, the

966
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:01,040
Speaker 1: way he throws his body around, he gets through trash.

967
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:04,280
Speaker 1: He's got range. I mean, you know the speed, sure,

968
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 1: but man, I think he reads routes quick enough and

969
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 1: it allows him to drive on the ball. He's got

970
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:11,880
Speaker 1: some good ball skills. I think he's a finisher. He

971
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:13,879
Speaker 1: has a feel ford of time to break in order

972
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:16,279
Speaker 1: to make the play and be disruptive. So you know,

973
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:18,600
Speaker 1: you see him carry guys down the field. He's kind

974
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:21,400
Speaker 1: of a right place at the right time player. You know.

975
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:24,000
Speaker 1: I didn't see him get fooled very much. I feel

976
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:25,960
Speaker 1: like he does a really good job of playing with

977
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:28,279
Speaker 1: his eyes, and I think that's something that if you

978
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:32,600
Speaker 1: lack speed, you can find ways to manipulate to get

979
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:35,200
Speaker 1: to the ball. And I think is this guy's playing

980
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:37,719
Speaker 1: a ton of big games in his career and none

981
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:40,920
Speaker 1: of it ever looks too big for him to watch

982
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:43,640
Speaker 1: him play. So I am a big fan his. Can

983
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:45,360
Speaker 1: I mention one other guy real quick that I'm a

984
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:48,000
Speaker 1: fan of yea and yeah, and I'll see if you

985
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:50,200
Speaker 1: guys have seen it, I'll give you tell me more

986
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:54,279
Speaker 1: if you guys done, Ronnie Hickman from Ohio State. Okay, okay,

987
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:57,400
Speaker 1: well then let me ask you another guy. Then? How

988
00:46:57,400 --> 00:46:59,720
Speaker 1: about how about this? How about Christopher Smith from George

989
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:03,040
Speaker 1: George watched all right, let me talk about Christopher Smith

990
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:05,920
Speaker 1: real quick. Then he's in Safety from Georgia. This is

991
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 1: another physical guy. He's always around the ball, He sees

992
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:12,080
Speaker 1: the field. He's really good at reacting. You know, he's

993
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:14,680
Speaker 1: the awareness that you know, the eyes are always at

994
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:16,719
Speaker 1: the right spot. With this guys, he'll make his share

995
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:19,480
Speaker 1: it plays either near the line or deep. You know,

996
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:22,719
Speaker 1: the movement is really really good. I'm super impressed with that.

997
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:25,000
Speaker 1: The way he's able to drive on the ball from deep.

998
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:28,759
Speaker 1: This guy can also he's a blitzer and so you

999
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:30,400
Speaker 1: can you know, you can kind of play him up

1000
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 1: and rush him. You could play him in coverage. I

1001
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:36,680
Speaker 1: think his smarts are really, really, really good. So a

1002
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:38,920
Speaker 1: name to keep an eye on if you're looking at safeties.

1003
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:43,040
Speaker 1: Christopher Smith from Georgia was one, and then you need

1004
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:47,000
Speaker 1: to watch the kid from from Ohio State as well.

1005
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:51,239
Speaker 1: That would be would yeah, Ronnie Hickman. Now I think

1006
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:52,840
Speaker 1: you need to watch those two. And I liked Hickman

1007
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:55,200
Speaker 1: because I got to go see Ohio State play Iowa

1008
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:57,160
Speaker 1: at the Shoe and Hickman did stand out to me.

1009
00:47:57,200 --> 00:47:58,600
Speaker 1: I thought he was a good player. But I'm with

1010
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:00,440
Speaker 1: you on Jordan Battle and he to me, is the

1011
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:02,279
Speaker 1: one guy that I we've been able to see his

1012
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:05,080
Speaker 1: coverage ability like I think he's a true deep center

1013
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:07,799
Speaker 1: center fielder, shows a lot of good range that I

1014
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:10,280
Speaker 1: have some question Like Antonio Johnson from A and M.

1015
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:12,200
Speaker 1: I love him like, I think he's a good down

1016
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:14,919
Speaker 1: downhill player, tackles really well. I think he can cover

1017
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:17,840
Speaker 1: tight ends, but I have some questions on can he

1018
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:20,799
Speaker 1: play deep, Like can can he go ahead and play

1019
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:22,879
Speaker 1: the center field role for you? Or is each more

1020
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:25,919
Speaker 1: of a true strong safety play within the box. Jordan

1021
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:28,200
Speaker 1: Battle to me, shows a lot of good versatility. The

1022
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:30,440
Speaker 1: thing with Johnson though that I noticed and I didn't

1023
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:33,600
Speaker 1: maybe you didn't. I just they put him in the slot.

1024
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:37,120
Speaker 1: They did, like, you know, here's the guy six pounds

1025
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:39,799
Speaker 1: playing in the slot. I shoudn't see him play him back. Yeah,

1026
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:42,359
Speaker 1: I see what you're saying. Bat battle will run better.

1027
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:44,560
Speaker 1: I think then he looks on tape. I think his

1028
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:47,279
Speaker 1: testing speed will look good. I don't. I don't think

1029
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 1: he's gonna blow it away, but I think he'll come

1030
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:51,719
Speaker 1: out and it'll look fine. It's it's not gonna be egregious.

1031
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:54,480
Speaker 1: That's if not. They'll get him faster at Alabama because

1032
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:56,239
Speaker 1: I'll go time him and i'll get him at thirty

1033
00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:57,879
Speaker 1: eight yards. Yeah, they'll go all the way down. Then

1034
00:48:57,880 --> 00:48:59,760
Speaker 1: my clock will get him at thirty eight, not forty.

1035
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:02,359
Speaker 1: Trip to Tuscaloosa. There's a couple of guys there. We've

1036
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:04,839
Speaker 1: done that a couple of times. I would cowboys dot

1037
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1038
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1039
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1041
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:17,120
Speaker 1: Are you sure any safeties that you've had your eye on? Yeah,

1042
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:21,880
Speaker 1: I was looking at one last night. Um Uh, Boise

1043
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:26,759
Speaker 1: State jail skinner dude. I like him. He's he's a

1044
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:29,200
Speaker 1: he's a dude. Um. I like how vicious he plays,

1045
00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:31,080
Speaker 1: and you would look at him and you would think

1046
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:33,000
Speaker 1: that with how vicious he plays, that he has a

1047
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:35,000
Speaker 1: whole bunch of penalties and stuff. He has a lot

1048
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:37,839
Speaker 1: of control. I was also listening to an interview where

1049
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:40,040
Speaker 1: he was just kind of talking about picking and choosing

1050
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:42,920
Speaker 1: when he wants to lay the hammer, and he died.

1051
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:45,759
Speaker 1: I think he diagnosis well, Um, obviously he can be

1052
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:47,600
Speaker 1: in a box player, but he showed us tell in

1053
00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:50,919
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl especially, the biggest thing was like Kenny cover,

1054
00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:54,520
Speaker 1: Kenny whatever, and he's his I just feel like at

1055
00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:57,040
Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage, he's first, like putting it, when

1056
00:49:57,040 --> 00:49:58,719
Speaker 1: he puts his hands on you, when he gets his

1057
00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:01,879
Speaker 1: hands on guys, or just like like bounces off of him,

1058
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:04,759
Speaker 1: like you can feel him. He's a physical dude. But

1059
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:07,080
Speaker 1: I was impressed. I was a pressed impressed by him

1060
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:10,120
Speaker 1: watching him last night. I think you can play six four,

1061
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:16,719
Speaker 1: two ten, big dude at safety, massive, massive frame. We're

1062
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:19,439
Speaker 1: actually looking at some highlights of him right now. He's

1063
00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:22,719
Speaker 1: a hard hitter, he's a thumper, comes down here, he's

1064
00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:24,919
Speaker 1: a thumper. And I was again like when you when

1065
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:26,920
Speaker 1: you look at guys that are thumpers and stuff like that,

1066
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:29,359
Speaker 1: you say yourself, Okay, well what type angles are they taking?

1067
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:33,360
Speaker 1: Are they like? And he's very key to He talks

1068
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:35,480
Speaker 1: about it a lot, like how important it is is

1069
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:37,239
Speaker 1: that even though he is a hard hitter and he

1070
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:39,280
Speaker 1: chooses to do that, he wants to set the tone

1071
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:42,000
Speaker 1: of like taking the right angles and being in the

1072
00:50:42,080 --> 00:50:44,520
Speaker 1: put right position and stuff. I like the player a lot,

1073
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:47,440
Speaker 1: and I think, um, he also too, He's gonna clean

1074
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:49,319
Speaker 1: up a lot of trash for you. Yeah, he's gonna

1075
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:50,880
Speaker 1: clean up a lot of trash if he decided to

1076
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:52,640
Speaker 1: use him in the nickel or if you have decided

1077
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:54,239
Speaker 1: to ad him in the box, Like he's able to

1078
00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:56,080
Speaker 1: come in there, and he's gonna help him run support

1079
00:50:56,120 --> 00:50:59,400
Speaker 1: as well. He's a run defense machine, tackle machine. Uh

1080
00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:02,280
Speaker 1: nine nine and a half tackles for lost, two hundred

1081
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:04,840
Speaker 1: and eight tackles. Yeah, I mean, is this come on,

1082
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:07,000
Speaker 1: get out of here. Yeah. And he's also too just

1083
00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:09,000
Speaker 1: he's around the ball all the time. He's around the

1084
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:11,000
Speaker 1: ball all the time. That boys he field. Let me

1085
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:13,640
Speaker 1: tell you something. I was watching that tough on your eyes.

1086
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:16,600
Speaker 1: Oh man, he triggered my migraines. Yesterday. I was like, okay,

1087
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:19,160
Speaker 1: well here here, here we go better in life. Yeah? Wait,

1088
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:21,640
Speaker 1: wait you catch? Wait you catch. In Eastern Washington, where

1089
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:24,560
Speaker 1: they throw a red red field, we stop red field. Worse,

1090
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:27,520
Speaker 1: Eastern Michigan will throw a gray field on your two stop.

1091
00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:31,040
Speaker 1: I enjoyed Washinga. He's got purple and gray every five yards.

1092
00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:33,320
Speaker 1: There you go. Now, I had to pick and choose,

1093
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:35,279
Speaker 1: like how long I watched him? But he's lengthy. I

1094
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:37,480
Speaker 1: think he's gonna be him right. Yeah, I like him

1095
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:39,200
Speaker 1: a lot. I like him a lot, but that's my guy.

1096
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:41,439
Speaker 1: So a couple of safeties to round out the draft show.

1097
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:43,799
Speaker 1: I really like Jail Skinner. I'm glad you brought him up.

1098
00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:45,440
Speaker 1: I was excited to see him in the ball game,

1099
00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:47,080
Speaker 1: but he was too scared to play in North Texas.

1100
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:50,400
Speaker 1: Lets go. He can't believe he opted out, got this

1101
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:52,879
Speaker 1: future or something. He decided not to play the main Green.

1102
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:54,879
Speaker 1: He don't want to fraid that we're gonna get hurt.

1103
00:51:54,960 --> 00:52:00,319
Speaker 1: Zach and Green part don't happened? All right? Does it?

1104
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:02,040
Speaker 1: For us? Here? On this Wednesday? We will be back

1105
00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:04,720
Speaker 1: tomorrow like I said, eleven am Central Time. More Draft

1106
00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:07,359
Speaker 1: Show here from the Star in Frisco for Bobby Belt.

1107
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:10,120
Speaker 1: Brian brought us Zack Walt, Chuck Ayesha Morrison, and Chris

1108
00:52:10,120 --> 00:52:12,279
Speaker 1: Beam in the backup Kyle Yoman saying so long, thanks

1109
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:15,080
Speaker 1: for joining us on the Draft Show. This has been

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Speaker 1: a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the Dallas

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