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Speaker 1: I want to start this podcast, Sergio with what we
Speaker 1: OpEd about last weekend. The Joe Joyce Joseph Parker fight
Speaker 1: last week and Joyce the two thousand sixteen Olympic silver medalist.
Speaker 1: He picked up his most impressive win as a pro,
Speaker 1: knocking out Joe Parker in the eleventh round to win
Speaker 1: an interim version of one of the heavyweight titles. Joyce
Speaker 1: is now fifteen and oh with fourteen wins coming by
Speaker 1: way of knockout. Sergio, how impressed were you with Joe
Speaker 1: Joyce's performance? Very impressed, Very impressed. I mean, he knocked
Speaker 1: out a former champion that only Anthony Joshua wasn't able
Speaker 1: to knock him out, Dillian White wasn't able to knock
Speaker 1: him out. I mean it's really impressive for him to
Speaker 1: go straightforward and hunt him down because Parker was in
Speaker 1: the fight. He was boxing really nicely, and and I
Speaker 1: knew that it wasn't going to go the distance. I mean,
Speaker 1: he just didn't have enough power and respect and size.
Speaker 1: But I mean he fought a valiant a valiant fight
Speaker 1: Parker did. But it just goes to show you what
Speaker 1: kind of you know, jugger not you're dealing with. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's a beast. He cuts off the ring, he's imposing.
Speaker 1: He looks slow and hittable, but when you fall off balance,
Speaker 1: he catches you with that power. Guys like that you
Speaker 1: don't want to miss against, let alone, you know, throw
Speaker 1: more than two punches. It's hard to beat a big
Speaker 1: George Foreman, you know, type like that. You gotta out
Speaker 1: box him and stick and move and oh man, it
Speaker 1: takes a lot. It's the pressure that's the hardest thing.
Speaker 1: I mean, he he This was the biggest problem I
Speaker 1: thought Parker had. Like Parker would throw some good combinations,
Speaker 1: he would land and then he spin out, believing he
Speaker 1: would get three or four seconds to recover. But it's
Speaker 1: the second he kind of turned to face Joyce. He
Speaker 1: was right there in his face, and Parker eventually succumbed
Speaker 1: to all that. I was really impressed with Joyce. I
Speaker 1: when Joyce came out of the Olympics in two thousand
Speaker 1: and sixteen, I was like, all right, this guy's okay.
Speaker 1: He's got some pop, but he's lumbering. You know, his
Speaker 1: jab isn't particularly sharp. I thought he had a ceiling
Speaker 1: to him. Now, you certainly make the argument that Joyce
Speaker 1: is the second best heavyweight in all of boxing because
Speaker 1: Parker wouldn't well, I mean, look, you can make the
Speaker 1: argument I'm saying I don't know that he is either.
Speaker 1: I think you know, you know, certainly with three versions
Speaker 1: of the title, Joshua is still there, a more accomplished
Speaker 1: heavyweight while they're still there, but he's now up there
Speaker 1: among the better fighters because, as you said, he did
Speaker 1: what Andy Ruiz couldn't do, when Anthony Joshua couldn't do
Speaker 1: what Dillian White couldn't do. He just Joe Joyce. I'm
Speaker 1: not as impressed by but um, he knocked this guy out.
Speaker 1: And look you met. You said that Parker was boxing
Speaker 1: well early and maybe the first round or second round
Speaker 1: he was. You get that third round and look, I
Speaker 1: bet on Parker, like I thought Parker was gonna win.
Speaker 1: He was my pick for the upset. But by the
Speaker 1: third round, I'm like, oh shit, this is this is
Speaker 1: a problem. He's He's not gonna be able to keep
Speaker 1: this guy off of them. This is the relentless pressure
Speaker 1: of Joyce is just And I don't know if you
Speaker 1: remember we did the this uh podcast and you asked
Speaker 1: me what I thought, and I said, I think at
Speaker 1: late round stoppage. I don't think across as the finish line.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be a late round stoppage and and sure enough, man,
Speaker 1: that's exactly what it was. But once again, we got
Speaker 1: to give Parker some credit for him to be in
Speaker 1: with the heavyweight champions that he was in with and
Speaker 1: not be stopped and then finally he does really well.
Speaker 1: I mean he was he won some rounds. There were
Speaker 1: hard fought rounds that he won. There not, there weren't many,
Speaker 1: but he made it an entertaining fight and he was
Speaker 1: there to win. So you gotta just admire, admire what
Speaker 1: the Juggernaut did and knocking out someone like that that's
Speaker 1: tricky to pin down, and he didn't give up until
Speaker 1: he finally did, and it came late. How would you
Speaker 1: describe Joyce's power, because I have a hard time. I
Speaker 1: know we mentioned for him and as the comp but
Speaker 1: like that jab, it doesn't look especially powerful. It doesn't
Speaker 1: look as sharp as Joshua's jabs sometimes look like. But
Speaker 1: he just paused out there with it and connects with
Speaker 1: it and aims it right at your skull and then
Speaker 1: the right hands like they're they're wide, and he loads
Speaker 1: up on them a lot. And even when he connects,
Speaker 1: I'm not sitting there going like but it's not Wilder
Speaker 1: esque with that power. Like, how would you describe kind
Speaker 1: of his punching power. Well, I like the word you
Speaker 1: use in describing him lumbering, because he is lumbering. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's the definition of of lumbering. But I would describe
Speaker 1: describe him of of a mix of a George Foreman
Speaker 1: and like a like a ridding bow without the speed,
Speaker 1: you know, one of those mixed because Bo had some
Speaker 1: hands on him and it looks like it's not gonna
Speaker 1: hurt you because his power is that heavy and it's
Speaker 1: that slow. He reminds he has like he's like a
Speaker 1: Frido on Gulo, who was one of the slowest guys
Speaker 1: I've ever fought. But he grazed you and he hurt you.
Speaker 1: He had heavy hands. That's the that's the kind of
Speaker 1: power that I think Joyce hands. Uh kind of you
Speaker 1: know that Lennox lewis heavy handed power where he catches
Speaker 1: you at the end, he turns your lights out. But
Speaker 1: he's even bigger than Lennox lewis of just serious power. Man.
Speaker 1: You can't teach that. No, he's certainly got it. Um
Speaker 1: a lot of fights. I'd like to see Joe Joyce
Speaker 1: in next Joyce Deontay Wilder, old man. I'd love to
Speaker 1: see that Joyce, Tyson Fury, Joyce, Anthony Joshua. How but
Speaker 1: you've seen what Joyce is now thirty seven years old.
Speaker 1: How hard do you think it's going to be for
Speaker 1: him to get a big fight? Um, it's gonna be hard.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be right, it's gonna be hard that they're
Speaker 1: gonna wait him out. You know, he's thirty seven, like
Speaker 1: you said, But don't you think like just you know,
Speaker 1: we keep mentionally Foreman right, Like Foreman was fighting in
Speaker 1: his forties and still pretty effective as a heavy win.
Speaker 1: I think Joyce could be one of those guys when
Speaker 1: he hits the age of forty, if he wants to
Speaker 1: he can still be a really good heavy I agree
Speaker 1: with you, that's a great point, and it's because he's lumbering.
Speaker 1: He's not quick, he doesn't really grant chin and he
Speaker 1: has a chin. Well, if you're gonna have a longevity
Speaker 1: in the sport, you need you need chin um. But
Speaker 1: he's very strong. He doesn't rely on fast twitch muscles,
Speaker 1: which that benefits an older fighter. The thing that really,
Speaker 1: you know, makes fighters retire and after the thirty five
Speaker 1: years old, they don't have the fast twitch, they don't
Speaker 1: have the legs anymore, they don't have the stamina, they
Speaker 1: don't have the endurance, they can't take the punch anymore.
Speaker 1: All that starts falling apart. As a heavyweight, when you're
Speaker 1: naturally not a fast twitch fighter, you're not very You
Speaker 1: don't rely on speed. You just rely on on that
Speaker 1: heavy handed, slow dumping power that doesn't need to connect.
Speaker 1: Guys like that can last long in their career because
Speaker 1: it only takes one punch. So I can see Joyce
Speaker 1: fighting into the sporties early forties. Absolutely, yea. But for
Speaker 1: the short term, we know is not going to face him,
Speaker 1: at least we don't think so. Uh. I don't see
Speaker 1: Deontay while they're facing him anytime soon. He's got a
Speaker 1: path with Hillennious and then probably Andy Ruiz. Joshua has
Speaker 1: got his own path. If we're gonna get into in
Speaker 1: a couple of minutes, here's a name for you. What
Speaker 1: about Jarrell Miller for Joe Joyce, big baby Drell Miller
Speaker 1: to put to remind people where Murderrell Miller is. You know,
Speaker 1: back in two thousand nineteen, he lost out on the
Speaker 1: Anthony Joshua fight because he tested positive for multiple banded substances.
Speaker 1: That happened again about a year later, just over a
Speaker 1: year later when he was scheduled to fight on a
Speaker 1: top rank card. He has come back recently. He's won
Speaker 1: two very low level fights in a row. He had
Speaker 1: a show or a fight scheduled for this weekend in Kazakhstan.
Speaker 1: It was canceled because of reasons unrelated to Jarrell Miller.
Speaker 1: But I look at Darrell Miller as being an interesting
Speaker 1: opponent for Joe Joyce because you've got to get past
Speaker 1: all the bullshit, which is legitimate, all the drug tests
Speaker 1: and all that stuff. But he's still undefeated. He's got
Speaker 1: a big mouth. He's known to the British public because
Speaker 1: he spent weeks and weeks promoting the A j fight. Uh.
Speaker 1: I kind of liked that fight for for Joe Joyce.
Speaker 1: If he wants to make it, I like it too.
Speaker 1: And that I don't even think of big Baby big
Speaker 1: Baby Miller because you said it. He has a big mouth.
Speaker 1: He's a self promoter. He gets under your skin. And
Speaker 1: Joyce is not gonna promote a fight with his mouth.
Speaker 1: So you know, he might backflip and get your attention,
Speaker 1: but he's not gonna He's not gonna go out there
Speaker 1: and start cussing opponents out and you know, act like that.
Speaker 1: So I like that. I actually like that fight. I mean,
Speaker 1: if Dillian White's not around, I like Baby Miller better
Speaker 1: because of that. Oh, he hasn't been beaten. That always
Speaker 1: looks great on the fighter's resume. If you can take
Speaker 1: away that donut, that zero, it looks good on yours.
Speaker 1: It's a feather on your cap. And and and uh,
Speaker 1: when it comes to Dillian White, I like that fight
Speaker 1: because they're both British. I mean, Dalian White is always
Speaker 1: in a great fight. He's only been you know, beat
Speaker 1: by by the guys in the top. And I think
Speaker 1: it'll be a fantastic style matchup with a guy that's
Speaker 1: been in there with every style you could think of.
Speaker 1: Em power is not enough to to intimidate him. I
Speaker 1: think Dillian White would have a lot of problems with
Speaker 1: Joe Joyce. Like Dillian has that big left hook, but
Speaker 1: you saw what happened with Tyson Fury. Joyce isn't his talented,
Speaker 1: his Fury, but he's Fury size, and we know we
Speaker 1: can take a punch. He's gonna keep coming, and I
Speaker 1: think he eventually gets to to Gillian White. I like
Speaker 1: the Drell Miller fight. If you believe Jerrell Miller deserves
Speaker 1: another chance. How do you feel on that? As a
Speaker 1: former fighter, do you believe Jarrell Miller after testing positive
Speaker 1: multiple times for serious band substance, He's not testing positive
Speaker 1: for what could have been tainted meat. He's testing positive
Speaker 1: for stuff that gets injected into your body. How do
Speaker 1: you feel about Darrell Miller getting another chance at a
Speaker 1: big fight? He's human man, Listen, we all hate cheaters,
Speaker 1: but he's already got his punishment. I mean, I think
Speaker 1: he's already he has million, he's lost out on millions
Speaker 1: and a potential of millions really and a potential heavyweight
Speaker 1: championship if he would have won. Um. Uh and what
Speaker 1: he's in his mid thirties, thirty four. I think he's
Speaker 1: younger than that. Maybe we can check, but I think
Speaker 1: he's younger than that. I think he's in his thirties
Speaker 1: from what I remember, younger. But either way, do you
Speaker 1: think well age matters. That's what I'm saying. But yes,
Speaker 1: I believe he does need another chance, because you're right,
Speaker 1: just turned thirty four this past summer. There you go. Um,
Speaker 1: so he needs a big fight. You know, he's getting
Speaker 1: to that age. But he does have that that undefeated record,
Speaker 1: and he is a bad boy. He is a south
Speaker 1: promoter and he can fight. He's a big man with
Speaker 1: quick hands. Uh. Yeah, I'll give him one of the chance.
Speaker 1: And look, man, I'm a fighter. I would hate to
Speaker 1: have thought that I went in there with someone that
Speaker 1: that cheated and used p DS. I hate the fact
Speaker 1: when fighters get tested and they get p DS in
Speaker 1: their system after the fight, before the fight, and everything
Speaker 1: goes to ship or when they deny it. No one's
Speaker 1: ever gonna admit. Yeah, you know I tried. I tried
Speaker 1: to cheat, but they caught me. No, one's ever gonna
Speaker 1: say that they could. Everyone should. It's Darrell Miller. I
Speaker 1: mean the stuff he was caught with until he got
Speaker 1: caught with like five different substances, so there was no
Speaker 1: back to what I'm saying. Man, every person deserves another chance.
Speaker 1: We're all sinners, Mannix, We're all We're all freaking sinners,
Speaker 1: and especially in boxing and the way we grow up.
Speaker 1: You know, there's nothing good around us, and that's our outlet,
Speaker 1: that's our getaway. And you could tell that it was
Speaker 1: just a bad decision. He lost out on millions. Um,
Speaker 1: he's even a little comeback against you know whatever fighters.
Speaker 1: I think it's a good fight. I liked that fight.
Speaker 1: I I didn't even think of big baby Miller. I
Speaker 1: was I was thinking just British. I was saying, but
Speaker 1: Dillion White or or a former Tyson Fury opponent like
Speaker 1: you know, walle or something Noah out of Walleen is fine.
Speaker 1: But Drll Miller I think would certainly sell better. And
Speaker 1: you get a chance to be the guy that takes
Speaker 1: the O office resume, as you said, and um, I
Speaker 1: think it's good. I think if Drell Miller can get
Speaker 1: one more win on his resume, then maybe early next
Speaker 1: year you could do Drell Miller against Joe Joyce and
Speaker 1: it would give him another name for that resume. And
Speaker 1: and if you're you're playing matchmaker for Joyce and trying
Speaker 1: to be you know, um calculating Miller's only he's been
Speaker 1: pretty much inactive, you know, in four years how many
Speaker 1: times did he fight or fourteen I believe was his
Speaker 1: last fight, his last big fight before the Joshua band.
Speaker 1: So they go one one once a year, maybe that
Speaker 1: he's fought against, you know, well, no, he had, he
Speaker 1: had multiple years. Two was two years old. He came
Speaker 1: back I believe early this year to win those two fights,
Speaker 1: and now he's sort of on that comeback trail. On
Speaker 1: that subject of Miller, like, I do think he's paid
Speaker 1: a significant price. I would obviously never ever advise anyone
Speaker 1: to get in the ring with him unless you're doing
Speaker 1: the most stringent drug testing in the history of boxing
Speaker 1: drug testing. But look, Jean Pascal is out there and
Speaker 1: he's gonna he's one win away from getting a chance
Speaker 1: to fight for the light heavyweight title. Like he tested
Speaker 1: positive what was it a couple of years ago for
Speaker 1: three different band substances, real band subs as well. So
Speaker 1: if Jean Pascal is getting another shot bite at the Apple,
Speaker 1: Drew Miller probably should as well. I agree, And that's
Speaker 1: why you know, I'm not being extra hard on him.
Speaker 1: You cand of just you can't just, you know, say
Speaker 1: he's done something he's been doing since he was a kid,
Speaker 1: just because he had one mistake. Like I said, we're
Speaker 1: all human. He had a few mistakes, that's not you know,
Speaker 1: we're all human. Man. I'm not here to back him up,
Speaker 1: here to back he busted again a year after the
Speaker 1: aging stuff again, I think it's gonna fight Jerry Forrest
Speaker 1: in that fight if he got busted again, is wild?
Speaker 1: All right? Look like I said, I that's an addiction.
Speaker 1: I'm giving you my opinion. I'm not saying the Commission
Speaker 1: should do it whatever. I'm giving you my opinion because
Speaker 1: I feel sorry for him as a fighter, because I
Speaker 1: know that he's invested so much time and effort to
Speaker 1: stay undefeated, to be relevant, to get the title, shot
Speaker 1: to find to get make start making some real serious money,
Speaker 1: and like a fucking idiot, you going and cheat. But
Speaker 1: then again you start to think, how many how many
Speaker 1: years has he been cheating for? How long has it
Speaker 1: been doing it? Then it taints the entire resume and
Speaker 1: takes the name. You know, just like Lance Armstrong. You
Speaker 1: can't even talk about that name without just getting disgusted
Speaker 1: by steroids. You know, you'll never look at Lance Armstrong's
Speaker 1: accomplishments the same again. And that's what happens. Whenever you
Speaker 1: get caught. There's no going backwards. You're always known as
Speaker 1: a cheater, all right, So let's stay in the heavyweight division.
Speaker 1: Tyson Fury Anthony Joshua was official called off by Tayson
Speaker 1: Fury this week. Then it was back on according to
Speaker 1: Tayson Fury. Now I honestly don't know where it stands.
Speaker 1: Here's Eddie Hearn on Thursday discussing the state of Fury
Speaker 1: and Joshua. A lot of what Tyson Fury says he's
Speaker 1: not true. Um So just to give you the truth.
Speaker 1: When we agree terms, we waited, say eight or nine
Speaker 1: days for a contract to come through, which is okay,
Speaker 1: it's a it's a big fire. The contract was all
Speaker 1: over the place, and all of last week we spoke
Speaker 1: to Queensbury every day to try and get it in
Speaker 1: the right place. This Monday just gone. We sent them
Speaker 1: a final version of the contract, and Tyson Fury came
Speaker 1: out and said, fights off. I'm not fighting Anthony Joshua. Okay,
Speaker 1: so kind of like semi down tools yesterday. So Tuesday
Speaker 1: George Warren came and said, let me try and speak
Speaker 1: to him. Let's keep working away. We're like okay. And
Speaker 1: then yesterday afternoon George Warren said, here's our comments on
Speaker 1: your final version, which again is fine, this this happens,
Speaker 1: I mean this fight and we're here for the Connor
Speaker 1: bend you Bank fight. I would say this fight from
Speaker 1: the first draft of the contract took two and a
Speaker 1: half months to sign. So anyway, we haven't had the
Speaker 1: contract for fourteen days. By the way, that's not true either.
Speaker 1: But again, uh, last night at midnight I spoke to
Speaker 1: George Warren and he said, look, let me speak to
Speaker 1: Tyson Fury, see if I can try and get him
Speaker 1: back in the fire. Didn't hear anything other than a
Speaker 1: post on Instagram today to say sign a contract today,
Speaker 1: advise its off again. So we've got the con we've
Speaker 1: got the comments from Queen's Brianna contract. We're going to
Speaker 1: go back on that today. It's not getting signed today,
Speaker 1: as I told you, no one's asking us or putting
Speaker 1: pressure on us to sign the contract on these given
Speaker 1: days other than Tyson Fury's Instagram account. So let me
Speaker 1: ask you this, Surgail. Is it important for the two
Speaker 1: sides here to make Fury Joshua right now? Yes, em phatic. Yes,
Speaker 1: it has to happen, man, because politics always gets in
Speaker 1: the way of a fight. Injuries get in the way
Speaker 1: of a fight. Promoters, money, networks, managers. So many hurdles
Speaker 1: you have to jump just to get a mega fight
Speaker 1: to happen, and nowadays it seems like it's only gonna
Speaker 1: happen when it's past their prime. Allah Mayweather, Pakia where
Speaker 1: it happens. Yes, it would broke records. Yes, people loved
Speaker 1: it if they bought it. But then after the fight,
Speaker 1: I was like, man, both these guys are too old.
Speaker 1: It's not happening in their prime. That's exactly where Spenceon
Speaker 1: and Crawford are going there. There headed in that direction
Speaker 1: as well. I mean, the biggest fights that we need
Speaker 1: we don't get. We didn't get a J. We didn't
Speaker 1: get a j versus Fury. This is another big fight
Speaker 1: that almost got done. So many incredible fights that can happen,
Speaker 1: and that's just not happen. So yes, I say, get
Speaker 1: it done. I don't care. You know, whatever it takes,
Speaker 1: get it done. And I think Fury was doing that.
Speaker 1: I mean as far as what he was promoting on
Speaker 1: social media, you know, sixty forty uh. He sent him
Speaker 1: a contract, he said he wants to get it done.
Speaker 1: But of course we didn't get to see here. Joshua's
Speaker 1: side just embarrassing. Man, it's boxing for you. Well, here's
Speaker 1: why I disagree, disagree. Why I disagreed that it needs
Speaker 1: to be made right now. I disagree because I think
Speaker 1: this fight can get exponentially bigger, and it can get
Speaker 1: exponentially bigger in a very short period of time. You
Speaker 1: make Fury versus a j right now, and it is
Speaker 1: the biggest fight in British boxing history. You know, eight
Speaker 1: thousand in a stadium somewhere. I guess Cardiff is the
Speaker 1: targeted uh site. You make tens of millions, maybe over
Speaker 1: a hundred million dollars in total revenue. It's a monster,
Speaker 1: but it's not quite as big as it could be
Speaker 1: a year from now, when Anthony Joshua hopefully gets his
Speaker 1: career back on track, when Fury hopefully wins a fight
Speaker 1: against alexand Ustica becomes undisputed champion at heavyweight. I know
Speaker 1: that there is risk there because Joshua his career could
Speaker 1: continue to slide. Fury, even though I think both of
Speaker 1: us would agree, is the favorite against usk Um. He
Speaker 1: could lose that fight and then we're out a potential
Speaker 1: mega fight. But I just see a light at the
Speaker 1: end of this Fury Joshua tunnel that has this fight
Speaker 1: being huge, the biggest fight in boxing history if it
Speaker 1: gets gets made a year from now. All I heard
Speaker 1: was hopefully, and you said it twice, hopefully. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: don't want to rely on a mega fight on hopefully.
Speaker 1: It's yes or no. There's no maybes, there's no isssure,
Speaker 1: there's no hopefully manics. You gotta make that stuff happen,
Speaker 1: Make it happen while you can make it happen. And
Speaker 1: it almost got close to happening, according to Fury. He
Speaker 1: sent the contract. It was sixty forty according to Fury,
Speaker 1: but we didn't get it, man, we did not get it. Now,
Speaker 1: whatever happens next, it's gonna be hopefully, you know, where
Speaker 1: both of them win and we can get it back again.
Speaker 1: Like you said later next year. I don't rely on that, man,
Speaker 1: I rely on facts. I rely on Look, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: have one more fight, and I want to fight him now.
Speaker 1: You know what. I don't want that other fight. I
Speaker 1: want to fight him next. That's it. Let's make it happen.
Speaker 1: There's no there's no hoping here. It's let's get it done.
Speaker 1: This is business. This is boxing business. There's two things.
Speaker 1: So I'm a boxer. I'm gonna take care of my
Speaker 1: boxing and then I'm gonna take care of my business.
Speaker 1: It was that closely getting done, I would think, But
Speaker 1: it's just bad, bad, bad bad. I say, make it,
Speaker 1: make the fight happen next. I don't want to rely
Speaker 1: on hopefully. Yeah, but you look at Tyson Fury right now,
Speaker 1: and he's at the peak of his powers. He is
Speaker 1: the best heavy weight in the world by a significant amount,
Speaker 1: I would say, and he would go into that a
Speaker 1: j fight peaking. Where is Anthony Joshua right now? In
Speaker 1: your mind, you've watched the last two fights against Usick.
Speaker 1: He looked sharper in the rematch against us but he
Speaker 1: still lost. And then he went out and have that
Speaker 1: meltdown in the ring afterwards. We don't know what the
Speaker 1: status is of Robert Garcia as his trainer. We don't
Speaker 1: know what the status is of Angel Fernandez as his trainer. Serger,
Speaker 1: You've told me many times over the years that you
Speaker 1: need more than one fight to get used to a
Speaker 1: new trainer, that you need time to adjust to him.
Speaker 1: Like I want to see Anthony Joshua fight. And I've
Speaker 1: said this before, the British or like not the British,
Speaker 1: he is British, Dave Allen or somebody like that over
Speaker 1: in the UK in December January. Go on and fight
Speaker 1: Dillian White in April or May, and then you get
Speaker 1: to September October, and that's when you fight Tyson Fury.
Speaker 1: I don't look at a j right now as being
Speaker 1: anything more than like of what he could be at
Speaker 1: this moment where his fury is at his very best.
Speaker 1: I like the comeback fight to get that confidence and
Speaker 1: that knockout again just kicked the ship out of somebody. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: Um done that. Um Yeah, it's been a while. It's
Speaker 1: uh povetkan no bathroom and povy knocked out. I mean
Speaker 1: he kind of struggled, Yeah he did. I don't think
Speaker 1: he looked at full capacity there. I think Povkian was
Speaker 1: the last time we've seen him, you know, firing on
Speaker 1: all cylinders. But I like that plan, and it has
Speaker 1: to do with a damaged ego and a damaged you know,
Speaker 1: former champion. You get him that confidence back. Every power puncher,
Speaker 1: you know, every power puncher from you know Forming too,
Speaker 1: you know Tommy hearns when they lost that first fight,
Speaker 1: you know, the first loss it was, it was by knockout.
Speaker 1: They had to get that feeling back again. And then
Speaker 1: once they started knocking our guys again, they won the
Speaker 1: title again. They that's who exactly what this man needs
Speaker 1: right now. He needs to make He needs to fill
Speaker 1: on top of the world. He needs to hear the words,
Speaker 1: you know, and the winner Anthony Joshua hands up in
Speaker 1: the air, the roar of the crowd. That's addicting, Mannix,
Speaker 1: that's addicting. And once that winning filling comes back, it's
Speaker 1: something you've you've felt all your life, and then you
Speaker 1: can go into another big fight. All you need to
Speaker 1: do is have a good, solid one. Were you agreeing
Speaker 1: with me? Yes, I am, but you just did I
Speaker 1: wouldn't go as far as you say David Allen. No,
Speaker 1: but you so you would if you were a j
Speaker 1: you would put off the Fury fight. Then no, this
Speaker 1: is what we're talking about. Though. I know that's what
Speaker 1: we're talking about. Do Fury and it's not happening now.
Speaker 1: It might from what from what they're changes his mind
Speaker 1: By the time people listen to this podcast on Friday,
Speaker 1: theory might have changed his mind three times already. Like
Speaker 1: it keeps the goalpost, keep moving with Tyson Fury. All right,
Speaker 1: I say take the Fury fight. If that fight doesn't happen,
Speaker 1: then yes, your plan works well, but not a David Allen.
Speaker 1: Someone will more recognition and some someone that that people
Speaker 1: can at least recognize. You want to see him kills
Speaker 1: out there. I don't think like management buddies now doesn't
Speaker 1: managed churches or I think management well, I mean, it
Speaker 1: could be someone along those I want along those lines.
Speaker 1: I didn't say it just so, but along those lines.
Speaker 1: All Right, we gotta move on. Let's talk about Demetrius Andreid.
Speaker 1: Oh exactly. Uh, the now former middleweight champion is a
Speaker 1: man without a fight. After Andreid elected to withdraw from
Speaker 1: an interim title fight and drem hundred sixty eight pound
Speaker 1: title fighter should say against Zach Parker. The reason was financial.
Speaker 1: When Frank Warren, who promotes Zack Parker, initially won the
Speaker 1: purse bid for uh for Andreid Parker back in the spring,
Speaker 1: it was for one point eight million. Andreid had to
Speaker 1: withdraw from that fight because of an injury. A new
Speaker 1: purse bid was ordered, which resulted in Warren winning for
Speaker 1: just three hundred and five thousand, which is a significant
Speaker 1: cut for Demetrius. Andrew decided that was not enough money
Speaker 1: to go ahead with that fight. But now Andreid is
Speaker 1: thirty four and faced with being out of the ring
Speaker 1: for more than a year. Sergio, where does Demetrius Andreid
Speaker 1: our friend go from here? Well, I'll tell you where
Speaker 1: he is, because I've been there before. Whenever you're you've
Speaker 1: been getting paid really really well and and being a
Speaker 1: champion and been in the limelight, and then you have
Speaker 1: that hiccup and he hasn't even lost, and it's a hiccup.
Speaker 1: But you can't get the big fights anymore. The phone
Speaker 1: stops ringing. You're not a sought out, you know, a commodity,
Speaker 1: You're not You're not hot anymore. You have to take
Speaker 1: a dangerous fight you have to take a high risk,
Speaker 1: low reward type fight to get respect. And now the
Speaker 1: shoes on the other foot, Mannix. That's the reason people
Speaker 1: didn't want to fight Demitrius Andreid. He was too much
Speaker 1: of a high risk, low reward. Now Andreid's on the
Speaker 1: other side of that. That's what he needs to do.
Speaker 1: He he needs to go and beat a fighter like
Speaker 1: a I would think, like a jannebec h Line Cannoey,
Speaker 1: scary Kazakhstan, another south Paw. He'll get respect doing that,
Speaker 1: someone that no one wants to face right now, someone
Speaker 1: along those lines. Because a Chard was not gonna fight him.
Speaker 1: Canell certainly not gonna find him. He's not gonna get
Speaker 1: a marquete name. But get a scary, little you know,
Speaker 1: unknown like that and wipe the floor with him or
Speaker 1: win convincingly. That's how you turn heads. So that's what
Speaker 1: Andrew needs to do. If he wants to get back
Speaker 1: to the seven figure pay days that he got accustomed to.
Speaker 1: You know, he has to take a high risk, low
Speaker 1: reward type fight. I agree, Um, I don't think that
Speaker 1: fight is jennebec. I think that fight is David Benavidez.
Speaker 1: And there's been some wait, a minute. Is a champion,
Speaker 1: that's a that's a champion, former champion, champion though, that's
Speaker 1: a name recognition. What are you talking about time champion defeated.
Speaker 1: You're not a champion right now. No one's ever beat him.
Speaker 1: Who is the champion in one sixty eight? Yes, Benavidez
Speaker 1: has the secondary title for the WBC. There's been some
Speaker 1: industry chatter, Chap, I don't care what you say. He's
Speaker 1: lost it twice, once on the scales and once because
Speaker 1: of a record. This is a dumb part of the argument.
Speaker 1: Benavidez is the ideal opponent for andre Okay, but Andreid
Speaker 1: needs to find a way to align himself with al Hammon.
Speaker 1: He has to. He has to go over to the
Speaker 1: PBC side. It's the only way for him to get
Speaker 1: a significant fight. Eddie Hearn tried for three years to
Speaker 1: make a big fight for Demetrius Andreid Andred Met a
Speaker 1: lot of money. It didn't work. Top rank. They would
Speaker 1: have done a deal for Andreid to fight Janna back,
Speaker 1: but they have nobody else out there for I mean,
Speaker 1: he's not gonna fight like Edgar Berlang is not going
Speaker 1: to fight, and that's for sure. Where the action is
Speaker 1: for Demetrius Andreid is with the PBC, and it's gonna
Speaker 1: have to start with David Benavidez. That's an incredibly dangerous
Speaker 1: fight for Andreid, who would be making his debut at
Speaker 1: a hundred and sixty eight pounds. But if he beats Benavidez,
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, he's in position to fight Caleb Plant,
Speaker 1: to fight Jamal Charlo, to maybe put get in the
Speaker 1: mix to fight Canelo. If he's able to beat someone
Speaker 1: like Benavidez. I think that's the only option right now, Sergio,
Speaker 1: Like whatever money al Haman is offering Demetrius Andred, if
Speaker 1: he's offering anything at all, he has to take it.
Speaker 1: He has to find a way to get in the
Speaker 1: ring with David Benavidez. All roads, Mannix, all roads, when
Speaker 1: the doors are shut in your face, lead to Al Hayman.
Speaker 1: You would know. I wouldn't know because they shut every
Speaker 1: single door. I mean when I when I want to
Speaker 1: say Al Hayman and I made a lot of money
Speaker 1: towards the end of my career, So I think I
Speaker 1: love that idea. Demetrius Andreid should sign with Al Hayman.
Speaker 1: That man will get you paid like you're accustomed to,
Speaker 1: and he will put you in front of the big names.
Speaker 1: He might take one or two fights, but he'll put
Speaker 1: you in front of those champions that I love that idea. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean he Andreid passed on the chance to fight
Speaker 1: or to be part of the showtime al haman Um network,
Speaker 1: you know about two years ago. If there's an off
Speaker 1: for him, now he's got to take it because I mean,
Speaker 1: I mean, surg you at thirty four years old, can
Speaker 1: you believe this as talented as Andreid is, And he's
Speaker 1: incredibly talented. We both agree on that he has never
Speaker 1: fought a former world champion and his entire career he's
Speaker 1: never fought a world champion or a former world champion.
Speaker 1: He wanted title at one as a vacant belt, beating
Speaker 1: Vonus matt Erosion, and he won his title at won
Speaker 1: sixty as we know, against Walter Couten Daqua. Now he's
Speaker 1: had some bad luck along the way. Was supposed to
Speaker 1: by Billy Joe Saunders back in uh two thousand and eighteen.
Speaker 1: That didn't happen, But he will have one of the
Speaker 1: thinnest resumes of any two time world champion or two
Speaker 1: division world champion I've ever heard of at this point. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what now that now that you mentioned that,
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about, Wow, he did pick up you know,
Speaker 1: vacant titles. You know, that's a title holder. That's a
Speaker 1: two division title holder. I've never heard that expression before.
Speaker 1: That's a two division title holder because, you know, my
Speaker 1: the way I think of it, you need to beat
Speaker 1: a champion to become a champion. If you pick up
Speaker 1: a vacant strap, that makes you a title holder. No
Speaker 1: shame there, You're still a title holding the older belt.
Speaker 1: I never saw it that way because I think the
Speaker 1: world of Andreid ever since, you know, he made the
Speaker 1: Olympics represented US. You know, I think he's one of
Speaker 1: these avoided you know, scary fighters and no one wants
Speaker 1: to face. And he's not the Laura you know type,
Speaker 1: you know, talent like that. But yeah, he hasn't fought
Speaker 1: a champion. That's incredible and it blows my mind because
Speaker 1: he's that avoided. Yeah, I mean he has avoided is
Speaker 1: the right word. He has been avoided at four. He
Speaker 1: was avoided at one sixty to not be avoided one
Speaker 1: sixty eight. He's got a step in the lion's den
Speaker 1: right away. His first fight's gotta be against David Benavidez.
Speaker 1: I think that's possible to I've heard some chatter about
Speaker 1: that maybe happening before the end of the year. I
Speaker 1: think Benavidez side wants that. Benavidez doesn't duck any smoke
Speaker 1: he wants. I was about to tell you, I was
Speaker 1: about to tell you that without saying the words smoke
Speaker 1: and please don't ever use the word smoke again, just
Speaker 1: doesn't sound. But yes, he he but he wants all
Speaker 1: the fire he wants. That is the difference. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: Well he wants all all the he wants the hardest
Speaker 1: challenges and I I get it, man. And a guy
Speaker 1: like Benavidez, he doesn't turn down anybody. I guy like, hey,
Speaker 1: the Plant will be cowculated, be like, no, let him
Speaker 1: beat somebody. Who else is that one six rail? Like
Speaker 1: Caleb Plant beat somebody first? How about that? It's Caleb Plant.
Speaker 1: But but Canello, But he has Canell on his resume.
Speaker 1: That's like the Romero arguments. He got knocked out. And
Speaker 1: and now look at Roly Romero. He has a name,
Speaker 1: he has a recognition. You see him around fights. People
Speaker 1: want to take pictures of him. He carries himself with
Speaker 1: that bad boy sway. Doesn't matter. People know him by
Speaker 1: now and people that's what matters. Doesn't winning matter? Of
Speaker 1: course winning matters, but also getting big fights because you're
Speaker 1: you're you're known, you have name recognition. You're not a
Speaker 1: nobody anymore. So you think you're known for getting knocked
Speaker 1: out doesn't matter. People know the name Rolly Romero and
Speaker 1: Caleb Plant because of who they fought. That's that. That's that.
Speaker 1: So now they can they can they have a little
Speaker 1: weight on their name. Then let him cash out on.
Speaker 1: This is the state of boxing in a nutshell. You
Speaker 1: are known and you are considered a success because you
Speaker 1: got knocked out by a high level opponent. That that
Speaker 1: is absurd in every possible way. That's what happens. Man.
Speaker 1: I mean, just because you kill Jesse James doesn't make
Speaker 1: you Jesse Jack. Yes, I remember, I saw the movie. Yes,
Speaker 1: I got it. Uh. I don't want to make this
Speaker 1: about Rolly Romero though, But like the problem with what
Speaker 1: you're talking about with Rolly Romero and to a lesser
Speaker 1: degree Caleb Plant is like they think what who they
Speaker 1: got in the ring with and lost to entitles them
Speaker 1: to something big. Roller Romero could have gotten a fight
Speaker 1: by now. Chances are, though, he's not going to fight
Speaker 1: the rest of this year and may not fight till
Speaker 1: the middle of next year because he thinks he's worthy
Speaker 1: of Errol Spence or he thinks he's worthy of Ryan
Speaker 1: Garcia somebody like that. That's ridiculous, of course it is,
Speaker 1: but you put him in with like, you know, Errol
Speaker 1: Spence wants him to fight Frank Martin, his guy, the
Speaker 1: outer and thirty five pounder. Roller Mere is not gonna
Speaker 1: do that because Frank Martin probably beats him that and
Speaker 1: Romero already has recognition where he can bring that name
Speaker 1: value and get a bigger fight. And he's the Derek
Speaker 1: so of say I give a story, He's not like No,
Speaker 1: Romero is like a like a record of Mayorga. He's
Speaker 1: like a Mayorga. He talks, he talks to talk, and
Speaker 1: he has a big punch and people love that. My
Speaker 1: Orga at least was fighting guys too, though why he
Speaker 1: became a champion. Absolutely, Yeah, it's a little bit different there,
Speaker 1: all right, Uh, let's talk about Floyd Maywether. The Floyd
Speaker 1: Mayweather Exhibition Tour continued last week with may where they're
Speaker 1: knocking out mkiro Asakara, a Japanese mm A star who
Speaker 1: is well known on that side of the world. Up
Speaker 1: next for Floyd is a November exhibition against Degi, the
Speaker 1: younger brother of influencer K s I. But then, Sergio,
Speaker 1: things could get interesting. Jake Paul has called for a
Speaker 1: fight against Mayweather. When asked about fighting Jake Paul, Mayweather
Speaker 1: said this, he said, I'm only doing real fights. Of
Speaker 1: course I can't get up high and weight, but I'll
Speaker 1: fight him in a real fight at the way that
Speaker 1: I'm at. But as a right now for what he's doing,
Speaker 1: it's good for what he's doing, but once he fights
Speaker 1: a real, actual, real fighter, it's gonna be last day. Sergio,
Speaker 1: do you like a fight between Floyd Mayweather and Jake Paul?
Speaker 1: Of course I do, And I'm gonna explain why because
Speaker 1: Floyd maybe that like you said on on the on
Speaker 1: the Victory Tour, the celebrity tour, the non boxing tour,
Speaker 1: and this guy, this man, this legend, this this is
Speaker 1: one of the greats of our generation. Money Mayweather deserves
Speaker 1: it nowadays. He spent his entire life, his entire career
Speaker 1: dedicated to become as great as he was fifty and no,
Speaker 1: you know, numerous world champions made all the money in
Speaker 1: the world. Now it's time for him to just rob
Speaker 1: the bank, the heist, you know, go on the on
Speaker 1: the studdle tour, kick, kick the hell out of m
Speaker 1: m A fighters, kick the hell out of you know,
Speaker 1: Connor McGregor's and break pay per view records, kickboxers whatever.
Speaker 1: You can fight whoever he wants. And now if he
Speaker 1: wants to fight another celebrity YouTube celebrity, he already beat
Speaker 1: Logan Paul. Yeah, whoop the hell out of his brother.
Speaker 1: It would be a great thing. I think he'll I
Speaker 1: think you'll do well. Okay, you have to differentiate between
Speaker 1: the collection of guys like Degi and do I just
Speaker 1: mentioned the YouTuber is gonna fight next uh, the two
Speaker 1: Japanese fighters he fought in the last year there in
Speaker 1: one category, Jake Paul is in another. Jake He's better
Speaker 1: than those guys, is what I'm saying, and that makes
Speaker 1: him more dangerous to Floyd May with her Sergio. You
Speaker 1: watched Floyd against Logan Paul. Um it was ugly, but
Speaker 1: you know, Logan Paul was using his size to kind
Speaker 1: of push Mayweather around a little bit during that fight.
Speaker 1: I don't know who wanted. I wasn't scoring it. I
Speaker 1: was cringing during most of it. But he went the
Speaker 1: full what eight round distance against Floyd Mayweather. And Jake
Speaker 1: Paul is a better boxer than Logan Paul. Jake Paul
Speaker 1: actually has real knockout power. Now I'm skeptical that fight
Speaker 1: would ever happen because Jake Paul is walking around at
Speaker 1: h ninety pounds. Floyd, what is he like round one
Speaker 1: sixty at this point, maybe a little lower one fifty four.
Speaker 1: I don't see Jake Paul getting down that low and
Speaker 1: weight for a fight like that. I don't see Floyd
Speaker 1: going up that further. But unless the money is astronomically high,
Speaker 1: why would you get into the ring with someone who
Speaker 1: is a developing boxer who has real power? Why would
Speaker 1: you do it? Sergio? Like, if you can make low
Speaker 1: seven figures to fight these absolute walkovers like the guy
Speaker 1: he fought in his last fight and the guy is
Speaker 1: gonna fight in his next fight, why would you risk it?
Speaker 1: Why would you risk having your entire legacy forgotten, which
Speaker 1: it would be and you know it, it would be
Speaker 1: forgotten if you get starched from one punch from Jake Paul.
Speaker 1: The full disclosure, Mannix. Does Jake Paul sponsor your show?
Speaker 1: He does not. Why are you so infatuated with Jake Paul?
Speaker 1: Why are we talking about Jake Paul? Because he would
Speaker 1: fight it, That's why we're Are you praising his power
Speaker 1: like he's Rocky Marciano or somebody he's been knocking power.
Speaker 1: He's a strong kid, but I don't think he has power.
Speaker 1: He's knocking out non boxers. You know how many non
Speaker 1: boxes I knocked out in the hood. I mean, that's
Speaker 1: just basically what he's doing. He's knocking out guys because
Speaker 1: he's a strong athletic kid. Him and his brother are
Speaker 1: strong athletic you know, former football players, wrestlers. These guys
Speaker 1: are strong. They you know, Yeah, anyone could punch hard
Speaker 1: with if you don't know how to, if you don't
Speaker 1: know how to duck. Floyd Mayweather is a defensive genius.
Speaker 1: Most boxers know how to defend themselves. Roll roll, roll
Speaker 1: from a shot. These guys, what makes them good is
Speaker 1: that they're strong. What's gonna make them suck when they
Speaker 1: fight a real pro fighters that they can't take a punch.
Speaker 1: That's the main thing. Once they get hit, they're gonna
Speaker 1: turn their back and quiver, or they're gonna go down
Speaker 1: and they're not gonna know how to react. That's where
Speaker 1: the difference is gonna be, Maddox. That's where the difference
Speaker 1: is gonna be. Not whether they could punch out like
Speaker 1: you're so like in love with the power. It's whether
Speaker 1: they could take a damn punch. It's not gonn take
Speaker 1: a big punch. That's why Floyd maywether so comfort a
Speaker 1: hundred and sixty pounds against a hundred ninety pounds if
Speaker 1: he had some dead in the chin, doesn't. It's not
Speaker 1: gonna better that they don't know how to take a punch.
Speaker 1: These guys do not know how to take up punch. Okay,
Speaker 1: So why did Logan Paul go the distance? Then? Because
Speaker 1: you had forty pounds on him. He had forty pounds
Speaker 1: on Floyd May with her so size, Obviously he's gonna
Speaker 1: matter when it comes to a certain not only that
Speaker 1: he had height, he had everything on him. Jacoble have
Speaker 1: some hid on him. Jacob probably have some weight on him.
Speaker 1: He re hydrated pretty high up. Okay, I'm not saying
Speaker 1: Jake won't go some rounds. I mean Jake will go
Speaker 1: some rounds. And look, Floyd was never a knockout puncher
Speaker 1: in his best days, Like he wasn't like I take
Speaker 1: it back. His best days were probably before he was
Speaker 1: really good as a knockout puncher. It that way, But
Speaker 1: since he got to seven above, he was not a
Speaker 1: knockout punch. He's not gonna knock out Japaul. It's not
Speaker 1: gonna happen. And I'd be concerned that he just gets
Speaker 1: caught that at forty five years old, his reflexes aren't
Speaker 1: quite what they used to be. He just gets caught
Speaker 1: with a big punch, which all of a sudden makes
Speaker 1: that like the front the first line is Wikipedia page
Speaker 1: like it becomes, you know, a part of his narrative.
Speaker 1: He doesn't need that. He accomplished way too much in
Speaker 1: the sport of boxing to put himself in that position.
Speaker 1: The bottom line for me, Sergio is I would if
Speaker 1: I was advising Floyd and he's got smart people around him,
Speaker 1: I would say, don't go anywhere near Jake Paul. Makes
Speaker 1: no sense for you to do that. You're insane. He's
Speaker 1: laughing all the way to the bank. And that's the
Speaker 1: reason he comes out with that with that mask, that
Speaker 1: robber robbers mask, you know, because it's a heist. Every
Speaker 1: time he goes into one of these these you know,
Speaker 1: non boxing fights, it's highst he he leaves all the
Speaker 1: way left in all the way to the bank. And
Speaker 1: there's another another case of that. So yeah, I'm all
Speaker 1: for money. Mayweather whooping the hell out of another Paul Brother.
Speaker 1: I'll give it to Floyd. A great businessman in his
Speaker 1: active days in a great businessman in retirement. Like I
Speaker 1: watched the replay of that fight against Asakura. I think
Speaker 1: I had no chance. And look, Deji is gonna get
Speaker 1: cloppered in that fight in the Middle East, like just
Speaker 1: gonna get beat up in Floyd is gonna cash a
Speaker 1: seven figure paycheck to go and do it, like thanks
Speaker 1: for coming way to work up a sweat to knock
Speaker 1: some nobody out and here's well over a million dollars.
Speaker 1: He's not a businessman. He's a business man, so let
Speaker 1: him handle his business. Damn, who are you trying to
Speaker 1: sound like they're that's a jay Z line. You wouldn't know,
Speaker 1: you don't. You don't sound like Jay Z delivering it though,
Speaker 1: Well it's out of context. All right, Um, let's talk
Speaker 1: about Ryan Garcia and Tank Davis while we wait for
Speaker 1: Ryan versus Tank in the ring. The two of them
Speaker 1: may not be all that willing to wait for a
Speaker 1: fight outside of the ring. Garcia was on social media
Speaker 1: this week detailing a near altercation he had with Tank
Speaker 1: at a Los Angeles nightclubs Sergio. Negotiations, I'm told are
Speaker 1: still ongoing for Garcia versus Tank, either in December or
Speaker 1: January of next year. I'll put the question this way.
Speaker 1: Who needs that fight to happen more? Ryan Garcia or
Speaker 1: Tank Davis. They both do equally equally Mannix and I hate.
Speaker 1: I hate the fact that I'm you know, I'm not
Speaker 1: choosing the side, and you know you don't like me
Speaker 1: when I write the border like that, But they both do.
Speaker 1: Tank his damn near twenty eight years old, and he
Speaker 1: hasn't faced a legitimate scary champion. He's faced Gamboa, a
Speaker 1: guy that was past his prime. Uh Santa Cruz, someone
Speaker 1: that was much smaller. He has not faced anyone that's
Speaker 1: on his level. And when he did on Easta Cruz,
Speaker 1: which was not a championship type fight. You know, he
Speaker 1: wasn't a champion. He gave him hell. He gave him hell.
Speaker 1: So that's Tank Davis and Ryan Garcia on the other end.
Speaker 1: They're moving him really nicely. But he's only four years old.
Speaker 1: You know, he's four years younger than Tanks. So he's fine.
Speaker 1: But you know a lot of people do think that
Speaker 1: that he that he just calls out guys because they
Speaker 1: know that they're not gonna then they're not gonna take
Speaker 1: the fight. So I would love for one of these
Speaker 1: champions that Ryan Garcia calls out on social media and
Speaker 1: he has a lot of followers to finally say, you
Speaker 1: know what, all right, kid, I'm sending you the contract,
Speaker 1: because then you know, that's when you know he's if
Speaker 1: he's real. I know Ryan Garcia's frou. I've seen it
Speaker 1: from my own eyes when when he got off the
Speaker 1: campus with Lou Campbell. I said it, We're gonna see
Speaker 1: what this kid's made up because I was in doubt.
Speaker 1: I didn't know what he had. You don't know how
Speaker 1: you're gonna react when you get clipped like that for
Speaker 1: the first time, dropped and hurt by a real a
Speaker 1: real fighter, a guy like Lou Campbell. He got up
Speaker 1: and closed the show like a champ. He had that
Speaker 1: look in his eye, the eye of the tiger. So
Speaker 1: I I believe in Ryan Garcia. So who needs this fight?
Speaker 1: They both do. And it's aside from Joshua Fury or
Speaker 1: or or Canella whoever else, it's the biggest fight in
Speaker 1: the boxing. It's yeah, it's it's up there, um, bigger
Speaker 1: than Crawford Spence if he's a commercial for sure. Yeah, um,
Speaker 1: I understand why you say Ryan Garcia needs that fight,
Speaker 1: but con Jamonta Davis needs it a lot more. Jamonta
Speaker 1: Davis is gonna be twenty years old in November, and
Speaker 1: to your point, is not fund anyone anyone really consider
Speaker 1: high level at this point. His biggest win came back
Speaker 1: when he was at a hundred and thirty pounds against
Speaker 1: Tozi Benevidez. Like that's come on, let's let's be real
Speaker 1: with this. If Javonte Davis fights, I don't even know
Speaker 1: who would fight. We have this conversation all the time.
Speaker 1: I don't know who's there at one thirty or one
Speaker 1: thirty five or even one forty in the PBC universe
Speaker 1: that makes any sense, Like could he dropped back to
Speaker 1: one thirty to fight Hector Luis Garcia for his title.
Speaker 1: I guess that would be a credible fight for him,
Speaker 1: but he's not gonna go back to one thirty and
Speaker 1: Garcia doesn't have the same kind of credibility at one
Speaker 1: thirty five. Look, even the most staunchest of Garcia or
Speaker 1: sorry of TANKS supporters, guys like Ak and Barack we
Speaker 1: work with Onto Zone, have said to me, like, if
Speaker 1: if he doesn't take a real fight in his next fight,
Speaker 1: you know, we're gonna start to turn on him as well. Like,
Speaker 1: you know, even the biggest advocates for Tank are saying, now,
Speaker 1: he needs a big fight. We've been saying it for
Speaker 1: two years now, Well you've been saying it for two years,
Speaker 1: saying I've been maybe a year and a half a
Speaker 1: year from a year. Yeah, I got, I got I
Speaker 1: kind of I kind of. Uh. But he needs it, man,
Speaker 1: like he can't. Yes, he does, and he's got to
Speaker 1: be the one that goes to Al Hayman and goes
Speaker 1: to Leonard Labe and the people that are responsible for
Speaker 1: charting the course of his career and say make the fight.
Speaker 1: Now he has done that with Ryan Garcia, Like I said,
Speaker 1: I've talked to people during this week, like there are
Speaker 1: still talks going on for Garcia against uh Davis. I
Speaker 1: don't know how. I don't know if it gets done
Speaker 1: because it is a complicated fight to make, and I
Speaker 1: never believe fights like that are gonna happen. They are
Speaker 1: talking about doing it. But if you're Garcia and if
Speaker 1: your tank, specifically tank, you gotta make this fight happen.
Speaker 1: You gotta ram this fight through and and get it
Speaker 1: to the finish line because you need Ryan Garcia more
Speaker 1: than Ryan Garcia needs you. If you if Ryan Garcia
Speaker 1: doesn't get tank, he stays at one forty starts to
Speaker 1: move his career forward. At a hundred forty pounds, there
Speaker 1: fights there for he'd probably get a shot surgeon at
Speaker 1: a vacant title or one of those like like Program
Speaker 1: versus the Page is happening, hold on Program Versubta is happening.
Speaker 1: I think in November like Garcia would get an opportunity
Speaker 1: to fight the winner of that fight. I believe Um
Speaker 1: or some other of those hundred forty pounds times that
Speaker 1: have broken off now that Josh Taylor has given a
Speaker 1: bunch of them up. So I think Garcia has a
Speaker 1: path forward that is credible. I don't know what the
Speaker 1: path forward is for Tank if he's going to continue
Speaker 1: to avoid these types of big fights. Garcia is the
Speaker 1: most marketable fight, uh as far as you know, the
Speaker 1: higher numbers and pay per view and all that. But
Speaker 1: the fight that will be more interesting in my opinion
Speaker 1: at one forty is a fight between Tank and Teo
Speaker 1: Female Lopez. Could you imagine that fight, the build up
Speaker 1: that can be in the Barclays or anywhere in New
Speaker 1: York or or in the East Coast. It'll do big.
Speaker 1: That's a pay per view fight as well. Be a
Speaker 1: different crowd. You have Ryan Garcia with all the sixteen
Speaker 1: year old girls in social media, you know, uh, celebrities,
Speaker 1: and when it comes to Tank and Teal Female, that'll
Speaker 1: be the hardcore that'll be That'll be the East Coast.
Speaker 1: That'll be the irving crowd. That'd be boxing diehad die hards.
Speaker 1: That will be a hell of a fight. Let me
Speaker 1: give you a different a hell of it. It's a
Speaker 1: great fight, don't get me wrong. Let me give you
Speaker 1: a different pathway. I would like to see Tank tape.
Speaker 1: I would like to see him find a way to
Speaker 1: get the Ryan Garcia fight done. If he gets that
Speaker 1: fight done, you know I want to see him fight
Speaker 1: after that. Of course Stevenson. Stevenson moving up to because
Speaker 1: of course Stevenson is one of these guys you don't
Speaker 1: want to fight. Oh God, here we go, so you avoid?
Speaker 1: Would that good? Okay? Then? But you're if you're a
Speaker 1: top dog at one thirty five, shekor is a top
Speaker 1: dog at one thirty five, why would you take that fight?
Speaker 1: And after court? If you could fight a way to
Speaker 1: win that fight, Devin Hanny is gonna be out there.
Speaker 1: I would go chase Steven Hanny and the undisputed championship
Speaker 1: at one thirty five. There you go, that makes more sense, Davin.
Speaker 1: Devin Haydy has been clipped and we know how he reacts.
Speaker 1: You know, we've seen him rock by Lenards. Tank is
Speaker 1: a bigger punch of Leonards. He's more explosive, and he's
Speaker 1: a naturally bigger fighter. So uh yeah, at this point,
Speaker 1: if Tanks not fighting garcias, how much of this to
Speaker 1: you're a fighter? How much does you put on the fighter?
Speaker 1: Like we're sitting here talking about what a great pathway
Speaker 1: it is to fight those three guys you make make
Speaker 1: a ton of money. Could you make a ton of
Speaker 1: money doing those fights? Those our pay per view time fights?
Speaker 1: You answered your own question the money. That's why the
Speaker 1: fact that it listen to me, man, you're asking me,
Speaker 1: you're giving my opinion. Look, man, we grow up from nothing.
Speaker 1: I I came from East l A. He's he h
Speaker 1: Tank Davis from Baltimore. We had nothing, the gangs of drugs.
Speaker 1: When you start making seven figures a fight, when you
Speaker 1: start making that kind of money, when you go from
Speaker 1: insufficient funds to seven figures and he's making a lot
Speaker 1: more than I ever did. Come on, man, whatever you're doing,
Speaker 1: if it ain't broke, don't fix it. And guess what
Speaker 1: it's not broken? May where the promotions is moving them? Well,
Speaker 1: they're all, you know, getting some money off that pot.
Speaker 1: Why it ain't broke? Don't think? Okay, But you then
Speaker 1: can't sit there and your promoters can't sit there and say, Tank,
Speaker 1: it should be on the pound for pound list. And
Speaker 1: that's why me and you never include them in that
Speaker 1: pound for poundless. That's what That's what me and you
Speaker 1: give Akin bur Rocks so much ship because we know
Speaker 1: that you know, they just don't call it like it is.
Speaker 1: They're not calling the spade of spade. I'm with you
Speaker 1: on that, and I'm a big fan of Tank. I
Speaker 1: love watching them fight. I order his pay per views
Speaker 1: because I'm a fan. But I agree with you thin
Speaker 1: resume at this point, almost twenty eight years old, and
Speaker 1: you don't have a solid, undefeated championship name on your resumes.
Speaker 1: And Jose Padraza, no, man, you deserve all the criticism. Alright,
Speaker 1: A couple of questions I want to take from Instagram
Speaker 1: before we go. Marcos asked, are you starting to get
Speaker 1: worried about Errol Spence versus Terrence Crawford. Sergio, we have
Speaker 1: like credit good reporters, people I I know and respect,
Speaker 1: have like over the course of the last month, month
Speaker 1: and a half have written like this fight is so close.
Speaker 1: Several times. I'll tell you what I you know, I
Speaker 1: have heard about this that there's still a lot of
Speaker 1: optimism it gets done for November nineteen. There's still are
Speaker 1: details in this fight contract that they're slogging through, but
Speaker 1: they still believe it's gonna get done. But Sergio, six
Speaker 1: weeks six weeks away. At some point we are gonna
Speaker 1: have to stop saying, well, it's okay, you don't have
Speaker 1: to promote the fight. You don't need that much time
Speaker 1: to promote the fight. Well, I mean, what is the mark, right?
Speaker 1: Is it six weeks? Is it five weeks? Is it
Speaker 1: four weeks? When do we start to panic about this
Speaker 1: fight happening? I gave up on that fight. I wouldn't
Speaker 1: give up on it. I gave up on that fight
Speaker 1: because you need eight weeks in camp. Eight weeks in
Speaker 1: camp for that fight, I think. But you know this
Speaker 1: is a fight, Okay, they're in cape in camp. Okay.
Speaker 1: The marketing machine needs a good five weeks, a good
Speaker 1: five weeks of solid pumping that you know, commercials and
Speaker 1: and billboards and all that. So yeah, you need a
Speaker 1: good five weeks to really make it a big event
Speaker 1: like that. But these guys, I mean, they're the best
Speaker 1: of the best, and they're not really talking about fighting
Speaker 1: each other that they don't talk about each other's names,
Speaker 1: they don't they're not marketing it all. Well, I mean,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be another version of Mayweather Pakia where that
Speaker 1: fight finally happened. It's gonna do great, but something's gonna
Speaker 1: be missing one of them. It's something's gonna be missing.
Speaker 1: The inactivity is gonna kick in for one of them,
Speaker 1: an injury or something's gonna pop up. It's not going
Speaker 1: to be the same, or maybe one guy got older,
Speaker 1: you know, overnight. It's gonna be one of those fights
Speaker 1: where it just happened a little bit too late, man,
Speaker 1: and it wasn't the same that that the the taste
Speaker 1: already one bitter in my mouth for that fight. Even
Speaker 1: if it does happen at the end of this year,
Speaker 1: it's kind of just like you know you you would
Speaker 1: if it happens through the end of this year. It
Speaker 1: happens to December, say not. No. Nine is still the target.
Speaker 1: It's Christmas time, December. I'm thinking about Christmas, man, But
Speaker 1: November nine, you're not all right, You're not a big
Speaker 1: Thanksgiving guys, so relax, you're thinking about you you'd be interested,
Speaker 1: you'd want to see that fight in mid November. I
Speaker 1: would say, I still believe I'm just putting putting it
Speaker 1: out there. I still believe that fight will happen in
Speaker 1: November nineteenth, and you've but you've done the surgio. I
Speaker 1: agree with the marketing part. I think, like, let's say
Speaker 1: this fight was gonna land, is gonna land on showtime
Speaker 1: pay per view, which is most likely in this scenario.
Speaker 1: Um by not having it signed and sealed, you've blown
Speaker 1: like four weeks of college football advertising on c YES
Speaker 1: to promote this fight and get people interested in remember
Speaker 1: this fight. Now. Some some people might say it doesn't
Speaker 1: really matter until like the week of the fight, two
Speaker 1: weeks for the week of the fight. I disagree. I
Speaker 1: think you want to get it on people's brains sooner
Speaker 1: rather than later. But uh, I still think there's enough
Speaker 1: time for this fight to happen and be worth the
Speaker 1: weight that we put into it these guys. Is gonna
Speaker 1: help because these guys need to be on talk shows.
Speaker 1: They need to be commercials. Boxing is given up on
Speaker 1: mainstream media. It drives me crazy, but it has not
Speaker 1: for megafights. Not for megafights like that, of course is
Speaker 1: the last we're Cannello and Golofkin on. You know, talk
Speaker 1: shows are doing things like that that wasn't mainstreams and
Speaker 1: the first two fights not for this one. This is
Speaker 1: what they already had name recognition, they already fought and
Speaker 1: people already knew. Telling you one of my biggest the
Speaker 1: one of things that irritates me the most about boxing
Speaker 1: promoting is that I think promoters have given up on
Speaker 1: mainstream media. I think the you know, you saw what
Speaker 1: impact mainstream media had on Taylor Serrano, Like Taylor Serrano
Speaker 1: was are on Good Morning America, like the week of
Speaker 1: the fight, They're on freaking Good Morning America. They're doing
Speaker 1: all this mainstream media. New York Times, Washington Post. Hell,
Speaker 1: I'll give myself a pop. Sports Illustrated did a big
Speaker 1: spread on on the two women. Like that matters to
Speaker 1: to get casual fans interests. Why do you think I'm
Speaker 1: here talking to you. I spent sixteen weeks on national
Speaker 1: television on NBC Prime Time. It's correct. So yes, that matters.
Speaker 1: mainStreet matters because mom and pops needn't want to see
Speaker 1: instead of just the boxing office Toronado's that's when you
Speaker 1: become a crossover star when people that don't watch boxing
Speaker 1: are watching boxing events and fights like that will capture
Speaker 1: the imagination of non boxers, and if it's not happening,
Speaker 1: then it's just another one that's blown in the wind.
Speaker 1: It's too bad. I think they should do you know,
Speaker 1: promoters should do more. I think actually top right, is
Speaker 1: a pretty good job with mainstream media, at least trying
Speaker 1: to tap into it to a degree. But for the
Speaker 1: most part, it just seems like in boxing were satisfied
Speaker 1: with just going after the people in our bubble and
Speaker 1: that that's fine to a certain degree. You want to
Speaker 1: appeal to the hardcore fans that have helped get you here,
Speaker 1: but you're not gonna grow the sport unless you're bringing
Speaker 1: casual fans in and making them uh real fans uh
Speaker 1: as well. Last question for you, uh, I had a
Speaker 1: couple of questions on this. Alexander Vostick. Do you see
Speaker 1: this is planning a comeback? The former light heavyweight champion
Speaker 1: used to train under Teddy Atlas. He lost kind of
Speaker 1: brutallyite to Archer Betterbef got beat up at the end
Speaker 1: of that fight, was there and he retired. I was
Speaker 1: wondering why he retired. Well, I mean, I think that
Speaker 1: was a pretty good beating he took from Better, but
Speaker 1: it was one I know you think that Vosti has
Speaker 1: a future in the last division. Absolutely, that was a
Speaker 1: confusing retirement there reminded me of a Dmitri Pirog and
Speaker 1: Pirog retired undefeated, good name, undefeated, That's exactly what it
Speaker 1: reminded me of. Just one beating at the top of
Speaker 1: the list. Both of you as are champions to unify,
Speaker 1: you come up short, be mean, okay, but it's your
Speaker 1: first and then you retired. That blew my mind. And
Speaker 1: I'm not accustomed to that because boxers get to that
Speaker 1: point and that's when they start making real money. To
Speaker 1: leave all that money on the table when you made
Speaker 1: all that effort to become a champion and build your name,
Speaker 1: it just doesn't make sense. So of course I think
Speaker 1: Bostick should come back and and left off where where
Speaker 1: you start, where he left off at And Bostick was
Speaker 1: the guy who knocked out Donna Stevenson took his title
Speaker 1: off him back in two thousand and eighteen, and then
Speaker 1: lost that fight two fights later to Archer Better but
Speaker 1: thirty five years old, so there's a bit of a
Speaker 1: shelf life on him. But he's a good enough boxer
Speaker 1: that I think you can get back to the mix
Speaker 1: if he takes two or three fights. I'm curious to
Speaker 1: see which promoter, if any shows interested him. Um, you
Speaker 1: can certainly see match Room, matt Room. You know you've
Speaker 1: got Joshua Boots out there with match Room. You've got
Speaker 1: Bevil still in the stable. That makes a lot of
Speaker 1: sense for for Boston. Can he decides to come back? Uh,
Speaker 1: your comeback will wait to hear about for a few weeks.
Speaker 1: It's gonna happen. You know what's gonna happen, right Listen, man,
Speaker 1: I've been pitching a bag like l a fitness. I've
Speaker 1: been in the gym for seven weeks and it's getting
Speaker 1: good to me. Mannix. I'm telling you right now, you're
Speaker 1: coming better. I'd better not get a call from one
Speaker 1: of these geeks in celebrity town and celebrity YouTubers, because
Speaker 1: I'll beat the hell out of any of these guys
Speaker 1: that calls my name out. You hear me, Jaul, when
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Speaker 1: middleweight contender. On October eight, he will be back facing
Speaker 1: former title challenger Carlos Ocampo in southern California. That's a
Speaker 1: fight you can see on Showtime and the Towering Inferno
Speaker 1: joins me on the show. First of all, one of
Speaker 1: the best nicknames in all the boxing I think, like,
Speaker 1: tell me about where the nickname came from. My nickname
Speaker 1: came from a movie, but uh, it came from the
Speaker 1: idea of my promoter. Sampson quips, what did you think
Speaker 1: when he branded you that? I didn't I don't really
Speaker 1: care for I was like, whatever, it's kind of making
Speaker 1: fun of me. But you know, later on in my
Speaker 1: career I figured out it did fit well because you know,
Speaker 1: the towing, because the height, and then the ferno, because
Speaker 1: the way we fight. You thought that would was like
Speaker 1: making fun of you in a way a little bit,
Speaker 1: a little bit. Sampson likes to joke a lot, so yeah,
Speaker 1: I took it. I took it as a took it
Speaker 1: an offense. He does like the joke a lot, that's
Speaker 1: for sure. Um, all right, scale of one to ten
Speaker 1: one being incredibly easy, tend being the hardest thing you
Speaker 1: have ever done. How difficult is it for you to
Speaker 1: make weight for every fight? One and so one that's
Speaker 1: the one that's incredible. It's not problem. That's that's wild man.
Speaker 1: You're six ft six and you're making one at a
Speaker 1: level of one that easy, that easy, fairly easy I'll
Speaker 1: have to do is to workout on fine, I'll be
Speaker 1: solid on my weight. So like a week or so
Speaker 1: before you're fighting, how close are you to um? Probably
Speaker 1: walking out like won six right now? Four pounds off,
Speaker 1: six pounds off five. Maybe if you had to squeeze
Speaker 1: down to welterweight again, could you do it? Of course
Speaker 1: of course? But right now I want to champ. I
Speaker 1: want to I want to take my chance and win
Speaker 1: about I want fifty four because that's how I even
Speaker 1: doing my career. Does I mean does it surprise you
Speaker 1: that it's that easy? I mean, for some athletes it's
Speaker 1: incredibly easy, right Like I work with Sergio Mora who
Speaker 1: tells me all the time, like I can't keep weight on.
Speaker 1: I can't keep weight on. I've been retired for five years.
Speaker 1: I'm like at one seventy five right now? Does it
Speaker 1: I mean, does it surprise you with all how easy
Speaker 1: it is to get down to I think it's just
Speaker 1: the metabolism, you know, and then they're training on top
Speaker 1: of that. You know, we're always sweating. But I'm gonnabolism
Speaker 1: is the priority fast, So that's uh, that's probably why
Speaker 1: so how much do you pay attention to your eating habits?
Speaker 1: You know, during a training camp. I eat healthy. I
Speaker 1: do eat healthy, but uh, I mean if I can't
Speaker 1: almost sneak in a couple of cheeseburgers, you know, if
Speaker 1: I can, of course, but like kind of getting close
Speaker 1: to the day to the fight day, eating more healthy
Speaker 1: and respecting my diet. I don't have a bad diet,
Speaker 1: but again it's more stripped. So the friday before away
Speaker 1: and like, how are you feeling before? Are you eating
Speaker 1: the night before? Are you eating that morning? How are
Speaker 1: you what are you doing before the way in? Of course, yeah,
Speaker 1: we eat what wet dinner, what we dinner the night before,
Speaker 1: but maybe cut that breakfast because you know, the breakfast
Speaker 1: is so close to the way in. But other than that,
Speaker 1: we'll well, we'll be eating a whole day until the way.
Speaker 1: Anyone that's ever tried to lose weight in their life
Speaker 1: hates you right now listening. Yeah, everybody's always asking me,
Speaker 1: are you feeling you're hungry? How are you hungry? Now?
Speaker 1: I'm fine, I'm fine. I'm smiling though always, so it's
Speaker 1: it's I'm fine. I mean, you must look across at
Speaker 1: fighters during the weigh ins. You know, guys are smaller
Speaker 1: than you, and then you can probably tell when they're dry,
Speaker 1: when they've been kind of starving themselves down. Definitely, definitely
Speaker 1: you can tell boxers U hungry when he has that
Speaker 1: hoodie on his head down or has the headphones on
Speaker 1: and you you are the sunglasses as well. You know
Speaker 1: they don't want to be talked to. So I did
Speaker 1: ask you about welter weight, like, what's the lowest way
Speaker 1: you think you could possibly get to without killing yourself?
Speaker 1: I think well to weight, you know, I never I
Speaker 1: would never want to squeeze anything lower than that, you know,
Speaker 1: that's uh. I feel like I will to wait, we'll
Speaker 1: be squeezing a little bit, and in my in my
Speaker 1: theory that that's unhealthy. You know. Yeah, did you watch
Speaker 1: Paul Williams coming up? You know another guy that was
Speaker 1: a really really tall welter in one. Unfortunately, the only
Speaker 1: five scene against UH with him is when m Martini.
Speaker 1: I knew you're gonna say that. I mean, I hadn't
Speaker 1: see that one. You gotta go back and watch the
Speaker 1: Margharito one Sebastia. That was the great Paul Williams and
Speaker 1: Margharita was so scary, and Paul Williams went out there
Speaker 1: and just dominated him from start to finish. The Martinez
Speaker 1: one I was at that one Atlantic city that didn't
Speaker 1: go so well for Yeah, definitely not all that night.
Speaker 1: Um so you're twenty four years old. Now, when did
Speaker 1: your kind of first growth spurt really start? Um? I
Speaker 1: think thirteen. I was like five five, five six, and
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden I grew up to like
Speaker 1: six six. Were you an athlete at that point? I mean,
Speaker 1: I know your parents were boxers, it runs in the family.
Speaker 1: But were you playing other sports around then? No? Only boxing.
Speaker 1: I was on doing boxing this whole time, so it
Speaker 1: was cool. It was pretty cool tellering everybody else told
Speaker 1: them the teachers already, so you know when they when
Speaker 1: I would get in trouble, they would probably look up
Speaker 1: to me and and and nag me From that way.
Speaker 1: You but you must have had a basketball coach come
Speaker 1: up to you and be like, let's go, let's put
Speaker 1: every school, every school I went to, middle school, high school.
Speaker 1: They always always told me so. But you know, I
Speaker 1: never really cared for the supports, so you know, so
Speaker 1: you never even wanted to try it. Never you wanted
Speaker 1: to go in that direction. And I really I came
Speaker 1: and dribble basketball. So what was it about boxing them?
Speaker 1: But I mean, was it just that your your father
Speaker 1: did it, your mother did it. Obviously your siblings are
Speaker 1: involved in it. Was it just that it's the family business.
Speaker 1: Well I saw that they're having fun with it, they're
Speaker 1: having fun with it, and I was like, well, I
Speaker 1: want to try. I want to do something fun as well.
Speaker 1: So it's uh, that's how that's how it all started,
Speaker 1: you know, watching them do it. Wanted to be like them,
Speaker 1: and you look up to them, you want to get
Speaker 1: them as well. So uh, that's what came from it,
Speaker 1: you know. And then I started enjoying myself. I started winning.
Speaker 1: You know. Um, I, like thirteen fourteen already knew I
Speaker 1: wanted to do it as a career. And but we
Speaker 1: just continue to do it. And then and this is
Speaker 1: what came out of it. How good were your parents
Speaker 1: in the boxing ranks? Well, my mother only completed amateur.
Speaker 1: She had a couple of fights amateur. She wanted every
Speaker 1: fight though, I'll tell you that. And then uh, my
Speaker 1: father he got to the professionals. But then he had
Speaker 1: my son and my my older brother. So that's I
Speaker 1: think the reiled a little bit of his career, but
Speaker 1: he was also very talented from I remember what your
Speaker 1: mother must love. The way women's boxing is taking off now, yeah,
Speaker 1: well I think that's only because of my sister. So
Speaker 1: my sisters, Okay, the new generation of of female fighters
Speaker 1: that that all are starting young as well, and and
Speaker 1: not saying taking the sports seriously, but but like they're
Speaker 1: really they really want to to push the female agenda
Speaker 1: boxing and let them fight on these bigger outbits and
Speaker 1: and make more more names for themselves. You know, So
Speaker 1: did your did your parents want you to be in boxing,
Speaker 1: because a lot of boxers don't want their kids to
Speaker 1: be involved. They know how hard it is hard that
Speaker 1: road is to get to the top. No, I don't
Speaker 1: think they ever had a problem with that. You know, again,
Speaker 1: it's like a family affair. Everybody doing it. Why not
Speaker 1: do yourself? You know, why not try it out? They're
Speaker 1: more of like, try it out if you like it.
Speaker 1: If you don't like it, you know, it's up to you.
Speaker 1: The um you mentioned, like you said, you're around thirteen
Speaker 1: and oh at that point of thirteen years old four whatever,
Speaker 1: When did you start to realize. Yeah, I was thirteen
Speaker 1: years old when I realized I want to becompression professional.
Speaker 1: Well at thirteen or how long, they're like five five
Speaker 1: years into boxing already, and uh we're doing good. We're
Speaker 1: doing good, and and we're getting better her We were
Speaker 1: always improving without with every year, and I was like, well,
Speaker 1: if this continues, you know, why not make some money
Speaker 1: out of it. It's something I love already, you know.
Speaker 1: So it's like when you're a little kid and so
Speaker 1: you love dinosaurs or whatever, you want to be a
Speaker 1: paleontologist later on because it's like I love this and
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get paid for it. Why not? Did um?
Speaker 1: Did something happen? Did you an't win a tournament that
Speaker 1: gave you that kind of confidence boost? Was it a
Speaker 1: string of winds? What was it that kind of triggered
Speaker 1: that feeling in you that you could do this you
Speaker 1: know full time? Yeah, just like a string of wins,
Speaker 1: probably continuing to win, continue to get better, We're getting stronger,
Speaker 1: we're getting to all or all these things, all these
Speaker 1: uh nice little advantages that we're getting too as well.
Speaker 1: So it's just, uh, you know, we had a lot
Speaker 1: of fans and the amateurs as well. So it's like
Speaker 1: to bring it to professionals, like this will probably gonna
Speaker 1: be not that it's easy, but like it's gonna be
Speaker 1: a little bit more easier than the usual. You know,
Speaker 1: when you're fighting at a weight class where you're so
Speaker 1: much taller than almost all or all of your opponents, Like,
Speaker 1: what's the key to being successful? Is it having superior footwork?
Speaker 1: Is it operating behind you know that eight in reach
Speaker 1: of yours? What's the key to being successful with with
Speaker 1: that kind of height advantage? I think, Uh, it depends
Speaker 1: on how you're gonna fight, depends on your fight. Um,
Speaker 1: I do use my reach a lot of times. I'm
Speaker 1: in the I'm in the mix and inside. It's just
Speaker 1: how being confident and what you're doing, you know, whether
Speaker 1: it's the inside or the outside. What's is there a
Speaker 1: particularly difficult type of fighter or opponent that you know
Speaker 1: when you have that kind of height, it's just difficult
Speaker 1: to fight against, whether it's a much smaller guy or
Speaker 1: a nimble guy or what's what's the most difficult kind
Speaker 1: of opponent for you? Um? Sure, yeah, I don't. I
Speaker 1: don't really have a difficult opponent. It's just how I'm
Speaker 1: going to fight that fight? How what'stal when they used
Speaker 1: to win the fight? For you? What's what's happened for
Speaker 1: you the last few years? Because I watched you coming
Speaker 1: up the pro ranks. I remember watching the draw that
Speaker 1: you had back in two thousand nineteen. You're obviously good,
Speaker 1: but you know after watching that fight in some fights
Speaker 1: for like, I don't know where this guy is gonna go.
Speaker 1: And then in the last year or so, you know,
Speaker 1: you've showcased incredible power. That win over ericson Lubin was
Speaker 1: as impressive as they get, one of the best fights
Speaker 1: that we've seen in the year. Like, what's changed for
Speaker 1: you the last couple of years, if anything? Mature? We're
Speaker 1: still twenty years old when we fun Clark. You know,
Speaker 1: I still think I won that fight, of course, but
Speaker 1: we were still young. You know a lot of these
Speaker 1: kids that fight at twenty years old, they're they're still
Speaker 1: fighting people oh in three or one in three, barely
Speaker 1: having any fights, barely fighting a six rounder. And we
Speaker 1: were already fighting a ten rounder. So we're growing when
Speaker 1: we're chatting more. For now, we're ready to fight for
Speaker 1: a title. Um, everything's lining up now. You mentioned your
Speaker 1: sister is a pro boxer. She's fighting on this car
Speaker 1: as well. Uh do you like that? Does it give
Speaker 1: you something else to worry about? How do you feel
Speaker 1: about having your sister fight in your card? I'm excited.
Speaker 1: I'm excited. You know she works every camp with me.
Speaker 1: You know she's working just as hard. So for her
Speaker 1: to have these platform to fight on it it's something
Speaker 1: she deserves. How does it work there? Do you watch
Speaker 1: her fight beforehand? Do you have to focus on yours?
Speaker 1: How is that gonna work for you? I could do both.
Speaker 1: I could do both. Of course. I want to see it.
Speaker 1: I want to see her fight. It's like watching a
Speaker 1: good movie and then not seeing the ending. I have
Speaker 1: to see the ending. I can understand that. I think
Speaker 1: it'd be impossible to to to not watch at that point. Um,
Speaker 1: you are the interim titler holder at one fifty the
Speaker 1: w b C belt. Obviously Jamal Charlo has all the
Speaker 1: titles at do you? I mean, do you think he's
Speaker 1: ever going to fight you? Are you anticipating fighting for
Speaker 1: a vacant belt someday? Will you wait for a world
Speaker 1: title shot or go up to one sixty? What's kind
Speaker 1: of your plan over the next year. Well, we'll see
Speaker 1: what he does after this fight, but hopefully we do
Speaker 1: get to fight with him, you know. Um, but I'm
Speaker 1: not him because there's the business part of boxing. Um,
Speaker 1: but we do want to fight him because he's right now,
Speaker 1: he's considered the best one fifty four and uh, I'd
Speaker 1: like to have that title for myself. If you were him,
Speaker 1: would you fight him? Would you fight you? I should say,
Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, you know, uh, six or six
Speaker 1: guys pretty pretty pretty crazy in the week class, but
Speaker 1: you know, but mom entirely yeah, I like to fire everybody.
Speaker 1: M All right, Sebastian, I want to hit you with
Speaker 1: some rapid fire questions for a new segment on the
Speaker 1: show that we are calling the Standing eight Count. And
Speaker 1: the first question is the greatest fighter of all time is? Who? Oh?
Speaker 1: Maybe there's always gonna be the best? Um, the one
Speaker 1: in ring weapon that another fighter has that you wish
Speaker 1: you had in your arsenal And well, there's right hand.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. If you had wild there's right hand.
Speaker 1: At junior middleweight, nobody would ever want to fight. You'd
Speaker 1: have to force everybody. Oh no, uh, if you could
Speaker 1: fight anyone from a previous generation. Who would it be? Um?
Speaker 1: A lot of people UM like to compare to Tommy Hearns.
Speaker 1: I think that would be a great fight. Oh man,
Speaker 1: that's a great answer. You and Tommy Hearns at would
Speaker 1: be unbelievable. Um. When your career is over, you will
Speaker 1: have one titles and how many weight classes? Um, we'll
Speaker 1: see how much, Um, God will let me move up?
Speaker 1: You know, maybe I'll never move this weight class. Have
Speaker 1: the same problem that Sergio. So you know, let's see
Speaker 1: Sergio is out there trying to fight Jake Paul, So
Speaker 1: don't try to be like Sergio. Okay, that's right. UM,
Speaker 1: Prime andre Ward versus Prime Canelo Alvarez, who wins? UM?
Speaker 1: I have under Ward under words, very very smart, great defense.
Speaker 1: That's what makes him so tough to If you could
Speaker 1: fight in one arena anywhere where would it be? Um?
Speaker 1: I've been fighting in my dream arena, the Ray, So
Speaker 1: I'll probably find Staples again. You know. California, California. I
Speaker 1: love California all right. Last two. The best part of
Speaker 1: being six ft six is what, UM, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm I can see it. Everybody's top of their heads,
Speaker 1: you know, and the worst part of being six ft
Speaker 1: six is what Sometimes I don't fit in doorways. I
Speaker 1: would have thought airplanes. I mean, I'm six three and
Speaker 1: I hate flying airplanes. That's equally as bad. I completely
Speaker 1: forgot that that's equally is bad. What's Sebashi? Good to
Speaker 1: talk to you man, good luck on October eighth, and
Speaker 1: hopefully when we see you in those world title fights
Speaker 1: you're looking for. Good to talk to you. Thank you
Speaker 1: for having me. That's it for this week's episode. My
Speaker 1: thanks to Sergio Mora and Sebastian Fedor for joined the
Speaker 1: As always, subscribe, rate review this podcast on Apple Podcasts, Spotify,
Speaker 1: wherever you download podcasts, and I'll see you next week