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The Joe Joyce Joseph Parker fight 0:04:03.280 --> 0:04:06.880 last week and Joyce the two thousand sixteen Olympic silver medalist. 0:04:07.200 --> 0:04:09.840 He picked up his most impressive win as a pro, 0:04:10.080 --> 0:04:13.320 knocking out Joe Parker in the eleventh round to win 0:04:13.560 --> 0:04:16.880 an interim version of one of the heavyweight titles. Joyce 0:04:17.000 --> 0:04:20.800 is now fifteen and oh with fourteen wins coming by 0:04:20.839 --> 0:04:24.520 way of knockout. Sergio, how impressed were you with Joe 0:04:24.600 --> 0:04:28.760 Joyce's performance? Very impressed, Very impressed. I mean, he knocked 0:04:28.760 --> 0:04:34.400 out a former champion that only Anthony Joshua wasn't able 0:04:34.440 --> 0:04:37.279 to knock him out, Dillian White wasn't able to knock 0:04:37.360 --> 0:04:39.800 him out. I mean it's really impressive for him to 0:04:39.839 --> 0:04:42.800 go straightforward and hunt him down because Parker was in 0:04:42.839 --> 0:04:46.320 the fight. He was boxing really nicely, and and I 0:04:46.400 --> 0:04:48.400 knew that it wasn't going to go the distance. I mean, 0:04:48.400 --> 0:04:51.520 he just didn't have enough power and respect and size. 0:04:51.600 --> 0:04:54.000 But I mean he fought a valiant a valiant fight 0:04:54.320 --> 0:04:57.359 Parker did. But it just goes to show you what 0:04:57.480 --> 0:04:59.920 kind of you know, jugger not you're dealing with. I mean, 0:05:00.000 --> 0:05:02.520 he's a beast. He cuts off the ring, he's imposing. 0:05:02.920 --> 0:05:05.719 He looks slow and hittable, but when you fall off balance, 0:05:06.040 --> 0:05:08.880 he catches you with that power. Guys like that you 0:05:08.880 --> 0:05:11.599 don't want to miss against, let alone, you know, throw 0:05:11.680 --> 0:05:15.279 more than two punches. It's hard to beat a big 0:05:15.360 --> 0:05:18.480 George Foreman, you know, type like that. You gotta out 0:05:18.520 --> 0:05:21.160 box him and stick and move and oh man, it 0:05:21.360 --> 0:05:24.840 takes a lot. It's the pressure that's the hardest thing. 0:05:25.040 --> 0:05:28.080 I mean, he he This was the biggest problem I 0:05:28.080 --> 0:05:31.040 thought Parker had. Like Parker would throw some good combinations, 0:05:31.080 --> 0:05:34.360 he would land and then he spin out, believing he 0:05:34.400 --> 0:05:37.200 would get three or four seconds to recover. But it's 0:05:37.320 --> 0:05:39.840 the second he kind of turned to face Joyce. He 0:05:39.920 --> 0:05:44.640 was right there in his face, and Parker eventually succumbed 0:05:44.640 --> 0:05:46.960 to all that. I was really impressed with Joyce. I 0:05:47.360 --> 0:05:49.640 when Joyce came out of the Olympics in two thousand 0:05:49.680 --> 0:05:51.800 and sixteen, I was like, all right, this guy's okay. 0:05:51.800 --> 0:05:55.159 He's got some pop, but he's lumbering. You know, his 0:05:55.279 --> 0:05:58.000 jab isn't particularly sharp. I thought he had a ceiling 0:05:58.040 --> 0:06:01.480 to him. Now, you certainly make the argument that Joyce 0:06:01.560 --> 0:06:04.960 is the second best heavyweight in all of boxing because 0:06:04.960 --> 0:06:07.080 Parker wouldn't well, I mean, look, you can make the 0:06:07.160 --> 0:06:09.120 argument I'm saying I don't know that he is either. 0:06:09.160 --> 0:06:11.960 I think you know, you know, certainly with three versions 0:06:11.960 --> 0:06:15.000 of the title, Joshua is still there, a more accomplished 0:06:15.080 --> 0:06:18.599 heavyweight while they're still there, but he's now up there 0:06:19.040 --> 0:06:21.719 among the better fighters because, as you said, he did 0:06:21.960 --> 0:06:25.560 what Andy Ruiz couldn't do, when Anthony Joshua couldn't do 0:06:26.000 --> 0:06:29.600 what Dillian White couldn't do. He just Joe Joyce. I'm 0:06:29.600 --> 0:06:33.240 not as impressed by but um, he knocked this guy out. 0:06:33.279 --> 0:06:35.640 And look you met. You said that Parker was boxing 0:06:35.640 --> 0:06:38.080 well early and maybe the first round or second round 0:06:38.080 --> 0:06:40.320 he was. You get that third round and look, I 0:06:40.400 --> 0:06:42.400 bet on Parker, like I thought Parker was gonna win. 0:06:42.600 --> 0:06:44.320 He was my pick for the upset. But by the 0:06:44.320 --> 0:06:47.120 third round, I'm like, oh shit, this is this is 0:06:47.120 --> 0:06:50.400 a problem. He's He's not gonna be able to keep 0:06:50.440 --> 0:06:52.480 this guy off of them. This is the relentless pressure 0:06:52.480 --> 0:06:53.640 of Joyce is just And I don't know if you 0:06:53.720 --> 0:06:57.560 remember we did the this uh podcast and you asked 0:06:57.600 --> 0:06:58.800 me what I thought, and I said, I think at 0:06:58.880 --> 0:07:01.200 late round stoppage. I don't think across as the finish line. 0:07:01.680 --> 0:07:04.160 It's gonna be a late round stoppage and and sure enough, man, 0:07:04.240 --> 0:07:06.479 that's exactly what it was. But once again, we got 0:07:06.560 --> 0:07:09.520 to give Parker some credit for him to be in 0:07:09.640 --> 0:07:11.800 with the heavyweight champions that he was in with and 0:07:11.800 --> 0:07:15.560 not be stopped and then finally he does really well. 0:07:15.640 --> 0:07:17.600 I mean he was he won some rounds. There were 0:07:17.720 --> 0:07:21.040 hard fought rounds that he won. There not, there weren't many, 0:07:21.080 --> 0:07:25.200 but he made it an entertaining fight and he was 0:07:25.200 --> 0:07:29.880 there to win. So you gotta just admire, admire what 0:07:29.960 --> 0:07:32.640 the Juggernaut did and knocking out someone like that that's 0:07:32.680 --> 0:07:35.520 tricky to pin down, and he didn't give up until 0:07:35.520 --> 0:07:37.760 he finally did, and it came late. How would you 0:07:37.840 --> 0:07:41.840 describe Joyce's power, because I have a hard time. I 0:07:41.840 --> 0:07:44.080 know we mentioned for him and as the comp but 0:07:44.880 --> 0:07:50.160 like that jab, it doesn't look especially powerful. It doesn't 0:07:50.160 --> 0:07:53.480 look as sharp as Joshua's jabs sometimes look like. But 0:07:53.520 --> 0:07:55.640 he just paused out there with it and connects with 0:07:55.680 --> 0:07:58.360 it and aims it right at your skull and then 0:07:58.840 --> 0:08:02.160 the right hands like they're they're wide, and he loads 0:08:02.240 --> 0:08:04.280 up on them a lot. And even when he connects, 0:08:04.320 --> 0:08:06.320 I'm not sitting there going like but it's not Wilder 0:08:06.440 --> 0:08:09.360 esque with that power. Like, how would you describe kind 0:08:09.360 --> 0:08:12.520 of his punching power. Well, I like the word you 0:08:12.640 --> 0:08:16.080 use in describing him lumbering, because he is lumbering. I mean, 0:08:16.080 --> 0:08:19.840 he's the definition of of lumbering. But I would describe 0:08:20.440 --> 0:08:23.239 describe him of of a mix of a George Foreman 0:08:24.080 --> 0:08:27.480 and like a like a ridding bow without the speed, 0:08:28.000 --> 0:08:31.200 you know, one of those mixed because Bo had some 0:08:31.320 --> 0:08:35.600 hands on him and it looks like it's not gonna 0:08:35.679 --> 0:08:38.880 hurt you because his power is that heavy and it's 0:08:38.920 --> 0:08:40.920 that slow. He reminds he has like he's like a 0:08:40.960 --> 0:08:44.120 Frido on Gulo, who was one of the slowest guys 0:08:44.120 --> 0:08:47.480 I've ever fought. But he grazed you and he hurt you. 0:08:47.720 --> 0:08:50.240 He had heavy hands. That's the that's the kind of 0:08:50.280 --> 0:08:53.080 power that I think Joyce hands. Uh kind of you 0:08:53.080 --> 0:08:56.240 know that Lennox lewis heavy handed power where he catches 0:08:56.280 --> 0:08:58.160 you at the end, he turns your lights out. But 0:08:58.240 --> 0:09:02.000 he's even bigger than Lennox lewis of just serious power. Man. 0:09:02.080 --> 0:09:04.720 You can't teach that. No, he's certainly got it. Um 0:09:04.760 --> 0:09:07.360 a lot of fights. I'd like to see Joe Joyce 0:09:07.559 --> 0:09:10.920 in next Joyce Deontay Wilder, old man. I'd love to 0:09:10.960 --> 0:09:15.160 see that Joyce, Tyson Fury, Joyce, Anthony Joshua. How but 0:09:15.640 --> 0:09:18.360 you've seen what Joyce is now thirty seven years old. 0:09:18.400 --> 0:09:20.560 How hard do you think it's going to be for 0:09:20.640 --> 0:09:24.920 him to get a big fight? Um, it's gonna be hard. 0:09:25.360 --> 0:09:27.880 It's gonna be right, it's gonna be hard that they're 0:09:27.920 --> 0:09:30.200 gonna wait him out. You know, he's thirty seven, like 0:09:30.240 --> 0:09:32.480 you said, But don't you think like just you know, 0:09:32.520 --> 0:09:35.719 we keep mentionally Foreman right, Like Foreman was fighting in 0:09:35.800 --> 0:09:38.640 his forties and still pretty effective as a heavy win. 0:09:38.679 --> 0:09:40.600 I think Joyce could be one of those guys when 0:09:40.640 --> 0:09:42.760 he hits the age of forty, if he wants to 0:09:43.000 --> 0:09:45.360 he can still be a really good heavy I agree 0:09:45.400 --> 0:09:47.679 with you, that's a great point, and it's because he's lumbering. 0:09:47.880 --> 0:09:52.040 He's not quick, he doesn't really grant chin and he 0:09:52.080 --> 0:09:54.480 has a chin. Well, if you're gonna have a longevity 0:09:54.520 --> 0:09:57.320 in the sport, you need you need chin um. But 0:09:58.440 --> 0:10:01.920 he's very strong. He doesn't rely on fast twitch muscles, 0:10:02.240 --> 0:10:05.000 which that benefits an older fighter. The thing that really, 0:10:05.200 --> 0:10:08.160 you know, makes fighters retire and after the thirty five 0:10:08.200 --> 0:10:09.880 years old, they don't have the fast twitch, they don't 0:10:09.880 --> 0:10:11.840 have the legs anymore, they don't have the stamina, they 0:10:11.840 --> 0:10:13.959 don't have the endurance, they can't take the punch anymore. 0:10:14.440 --> 0:10:17.320 All that starts falling apart. As a heavyweight, when you're 0:10:17.440 --> 0:10:21.000 naturally not a fast twitch fighter, you're not very You 0:10:21.000 --> 0:10:23.319 don't rely on speed. You just rely on on that 0:10:23.440 --> 0:10:28.439 heavy handed, slow dumping power that doesn't need to connect. 0:10:28.520 --> 0:10:30.920 Guys like that can last long in their career because 0:10:30.960 --> 0:10:34.280 it only takes one punch. So I can see Joyce 0:10:34.280 --> 0:10:36.920 fighting into the sporties early forties. Absolutely, yea. But for 0:10:36.960 --> 0:10:41.079 the short term, we know is not going to face him, 0:10:41.160 --> 0:10:43.760 at least we don't think so. Uh. I don't see 0:10:43.760 --> 0:10:46.280 Deontay while they're facing him anytime soon. He's got a 0:10:46.280 --> 0:10:49.680 path with Hillennious and then probably Andy Ruiz. Joshua has 0:10:49.679 --> 0:10:51.360 got his own path. If we're gonna get into in 0:10:51.360 --> 0:10:53.800 a couple of minutes, here's a name for you. What 0:10:53.880 --> 0:10:58.120 about Jarrell Miller for Joe Joyce, big baby Drell Miller 0:10:58.480 --> 0:11:02.640 to put to remind people where Murderrell Miller is. You know, 0:11:02.679 --> 0:11:05.800 back in two thousand nineteen, he lost out on the 0:11:05.800 --> 0:11:09.720 Anthony Joshua fight because he tested positive for multiple banded substances. 0:11:09.760 --> 0:11:13.360 That happened again about a year later, just over a 0:11:13.440 --> 0:11:16.120 year later when he was scheduled to fight on a 0:11:16.160 --> 0:11:19.000 top rank card. He has come back recently. He's won 0:11:19.080 --> 0:11:21.800 two very low level fights in a row. He had 0:11:21.840 --> 0:11:25.280 a show or a fight scheduled for this weekend in Kazakhstan. 0:11:25.360 --> 0:11:29.240 It was canceled because of reasons unrelated to Jarrell Miller. 0:11:29.320 --> 0:11:32.520 But I look at Darrell Miller as being an interesting 0:11:32.559 --> 0:11:36.240 opponent for Joe Joyce because you've got to get past 0:11:36.280 --> 0:11:39.840 all the bullshit, which is legitimate, all the drug tests 0:11:39.840 --> 0:11:43.160 and all that stuff. But he's still undefeated. He's got 0:11:43.200 --> 0:11:46.440 a big mouth. He's known to the British public because 0:11:46.440 --> 0:11:50.720 he spent weeks and weeks promoting the A j fight. Uh. 0:11:51.000 --> 0:11:53.560 I kind of liked that fight for for Joe Joyce. 0:11:53.720 --> 0:11:55.800 If he wants to make it, I like it too. 0:11:55.800 --> 0:11:57.760 And that I don't even think of big Baby big 0:11:57.800 --> 0:12:00.360 Baby Miller because you said it. He has a big mouth. 0:12:00.360 --> 0:12:03.079 He's a self promoter. He gets under your skin. And 0:12:03.320 --> 0:12:05.240 Joyce is not gonna promote a fight with his mouth. 0:12:05.600 --> 0:12:08.000 So you know, he might backflip and get your attention, 0:12:08.040 --> 0:12:09.920 but he's not gonna He's not gonna go out there 0:12:09.920 --> 0:12:13.480 and start cussing opponents out and you know, act like that. 0:12:13.600 --> 0:12:17.040 So I like that. I actually like that fight. I mean, 0:12:17.080 --> 0:12:20.920 if Dillian White's not around, I like Baby Miller better 0:12:20.960 --> 0:12:23.840 because of that. Oh, he hasn't been beaten. That always 0:12:23.880 --> 0:12:25.959 looks great on the fighter's resume. If you can take 0:12:26.000 --> 0:12:28.760 away that donut, that zero, it looks good on yours. 0:12:28.760 --> 0:12:31.240 It's a feather on your cap. And and and uh, 0:12:31.240 --> 0:12:33.280 when it comes to Dillian White, I like that fight 0:12:33.320 --> 0:12:35.520 because they're both British. I mean, Dalian White is always 0:12:35.559 --> 0:12:37.640 in a great fight. He's only been you know, beat 0:12:37.679 --> 0:12:41.360 by by the guys in the top. And I think 0:12:41.400 --> 0:12:45.640 it'll be a fantastic style matchup with a guy that's 0:12:45.640 --> 0:12:47.280 been in there with every style you could think of. 0:12:47.320 --> 0:12:49.599 Em power is not enough to to intimidate him. I 0:12:49.640 --> 0:12:51.120 think Dillian White would have a lot of problems with 0:12:51.200 --> 0:12:54.079 Joe Joyce. Like Dillian has that big left hook, but 0:12:54.559 --> 0:12:57.840 you saw what happened with Tyson Fury. Joyce isn't his talented, 0:12:57.840 --> 0:13:00.800 his Fury, but he's Fury size, and we know we 0:13:00.840 --> 0:13:02.679 can take a punch. He's gonna keep coming, and I 0:13:02.760 --> 0:13:04.839 think he eventually gets to to Gillian White. I like 0:13:04.880 --> 0:13:07.760 the Drell Miller fight. If you believe Jerrell Miller deserves 0:13:07.760 --> 0:13:10.200 another chance. How do you feel on that? As a 0:13:10.240 --> 0:13:14.080 former fighter, do you believe Jarrell Miller after testing positive 0:13:14.160 --> 0:13:17.600 multiple times for serious band substance, He's not testing positive 0:13:17.920 --> 0:13:21.040 for what could have been tainted meat. He's testing positive 0:13:21.080 --> 0:13:23.959 for stuff that gets injected into your body. How do 0:13:24.000 --> 0:13:26.719 you feel about Darrell Miller getting another chance at a 0:13:26.760 --> 0:13:30.080 big fight? He's human man, Listen, we all hate cheaters, 0:13:30.120 --> 0:13:33.360 but he's already got his punishment. I mean, I think 0:13:33.400 --> 0:13:37.560 he's already he has million, he's lost out on millions 0:13:37.600 --> 0:13:40.920 and a potential of millions really and a potential heavyweight 0:13:41.000 --> 0:13:46.600 championship if he would have won. Um. Uh and what 0:13:46.679 --> 0:13:49.120 he's in his mid thirties, thirty four. I think he's 0:13:49.240 --> 0:13:50.960 younger than that. Maybe we can check, but I think 0:13:50.960 --> 0:13:53.320 he's younger than that. I think he's in his thirties 0:13:53.320 --> 0:13:55.760 from what I remember, younger. But either way, do you 0:13:55.800 --> 0:13:58.199 think well age matters. That's what I'm saying. But yes, 0:13:58.240 --> 0:14:02.880 I believe he does need another chance, because you're right, 0:14:02.920 --> 0:14:05.920 just turned thirty four this past summer. There you go. Um, 0:14:05.960 --> 0:14:07.839 so he needs a big fight. You know, he's getting 0:14:07.880 --> 0:14:10.400 to that age. But he does have that that undefeated record, 0:14:10.520 --> 0:14:11.960 and he is a bad boy. He is a south 0:14:11.960 --> 0:14:14.360 promoter and he can fight. He's a big man with 0:14:14.440 --> 0:14:17.840 quick hands. Uh. Yeah, I'll give him one of the chance. 0:14:17.880 --> 0:14:21.560 And look, man, I'm a fighter. I would hate to 0:14:21.640 --> 0:14:24.240 have thought that I went in there with someone that 0:14:24.240 --> 0:14:26.480 that cheated and used p DS. I hate the fact 0:14:26.480 --> 0:14:29.720 when fighters get tested and they get p DS in 0:14:29.760 --> 0:14:32.680 their system after the fight, before the fight, and everything 0:14:33.160 --> 0:14:36.040 goes to ship or when they deny it. No one's 0:14:36.040 --> 0:14:38.880 ever gonna admit. Yeah, you know I tried. I tried 0:14:38.880 --> 0:14:41.240 to cheat, but they caught me. No, one's ever gonna 0:14:41.280 --> 0:14:44.800 say that they could. Everyone should. It's Darrell Miller. I 0:14:44.800 --> 0:14:46.840 mean the stuff he was caught with until he got 0:14:46.840 --> 0:14:49.960 caught with like five different substances, so there was no 0:14:51.880 --> 0:14:54.760 back to what I'm saying. Man, every person deserves another chance. 0:14:54.760 --> 0:14:57.480 We're all sinners, Mannix, We're all We're all freaking sinners, 0:14:57.480 --> 0:14:59.840 and especially in boxing and the way we grow up. 0:15:00.160 --> 0:15:02.120 You know, there's nothing good around us, and that's our outlet, 0:15:02.200 --> 0:15:04.520 that's our getaway. And you could tell that it was 0:15:04.560 --> 0:15:07.400 just a bad decision. He lost out on millions. Um, 0:15:07.400 --> 0:15:10.320 he's even a little comeback against you know whatever fighters. 0:15:11.080 --> 0:15:13.040 I think it's a good fight. I liked that fight. 0:15:13.120 --> 0:15:14.960 I I didn't even think of big baby Miller. I 0:15:15.000 --> 0:15:16.680 was I was thinking just British. I was saying, but 0:15:16.800 --> 0:15:20.240 Dillion White or or a former Tyson Fury opponent like 0:15:20.320 --> 0:15:24.840 you know, walle or something Noah out of Walleen is fine. 0:15:24.840 --> 0:15:27.640 But Drll Miller I think would certainly sell better. And 0:15:27.760 --> 0:15:29.320 you get a chance to be the guy that takes 0:15:29.320 --> 0:15:32.400 the O office resume, as you said, and um, I 0:15:32.400 --> 0:15:34.200 think it's good. I think if Drell Miller can get 0:15:34.320 --> 0:15:38.080 one more win on his resume, then maybe early next 0:15:38.160 --> 0:15:40.080 year you could do Drell Miller against Joe Joyce and 0:15:40.080 --> 0:15:43.880 it would give him another name for that resume. And 0:15:43.880 --> 0:15:46.720 and if you're you're playing matchmaker for Joyce and trying 0:15:46.720 --> 0:15:50.440 to be you know, um calculating Miller's only he's been 0:15:50.600 --> 0:15:53.320 pretty much inactive, you know, in four years how many 0:15:53.320 --> 0:15:56.280 times did he fight or fourteen I believe was his 0:15:56.360 --> 0:15:59.400 last fight, his last big fight before the Joshua band. 0:15:59.560 --> 0:16:01.800 So they go one one once a year, maybe that 0:16:01.920 --> 0:16:04.440 he's fought against, you know, well, no, he had, he 0:16:04.480 --> 0:16:06.440 had multiple years. Two was two years old. He came 0:16:06.480 --> 0:16:09.160 back I believe early this year to win those two fights, 0:16:09.280 --> 0:16:11.680 and now he's sort of on that comeback trail. On 0:16:12.200 --> 0:16:15.960 that subject of Miller, like, I do think he's paid 0:16:16.680 --> 0:16:20.440 a significant price. I would obviously never ever advise anyone 0:16:20.480 --> 0:16:21.920 to get in the ring with him unless you're doing 0:16:22.120 --> 0:16:25.000 the most stringent drug testing in the history of boxing 0:16:25.040 --> 0:16:28.520 drug testing. But look, Jean Pascal is out there and 0:16:28.680 --> 0:16:30.680 he's gonna he's one win away from getting a chance 0:16:30.720 --> 0:16:33.080 to fight for the light heavyweight title. Like he tested 0:16:33.120 --> 0:16:35.800 positive what was it a couple of years ago for 0:16:35.960 --> 0:16:40.240 three different band substances, real band subs as well. So 0:16:40.240 --> 0:16:43.880 if Jean Pascal is getting another shot bite at the Apple, 0:16:44.120 --> 0:16:46.960 Drew Miller probably should as well. I agree, And that's 0:16:46.960 --> 0:16:49.880 why you know, I'm not being extra hard on him. 0:16:49.880 --> 0:16:53.880 You cand of just you can't just, you know, say 0:16:53.920 --> 0:16:55.880 he's done something he's been doing since he was a kid, 0:16:55.960 --> 0:16:57.920 just because he had one mistake. Like I said, we're 0:16:57.920 --> 0:17:00.920 all human. He had a few mistakes, that's not you know, 0:17:00.960 --> 0:17:02.960 we're all human. Man. I'm not here to back him up, 0:17:03.480 --> 0:17:07.159 here to back he busted again a year after the 0:17:07.160 --> 0:17:10.040 aging stuff again, I think it's gonna fight Jerry Forrest 0:17:10.280 --> 0:17:12.760 in that fight if he got busted again, is wild? 0:17:12.920 --> 0:17:15.320 All right? Look like I said, I that's an addiction. 0:17:15.320 --> 0:17:18.320 I'm giving you my opinion. I'm not saying the Commission 0:17:18.359 --> 0:17:20.359 should do it whatever. I'm giving you my opinion because 0:17:20.359 --> 0:17:22.240 I feel sorry for him as a fighter, because I 0:17:22.320 --> 0:17:24.600 know that he's invested so much time and effort to 0:17:24.640 --> 0:17:27.200 stay undefeated, to be relevant, to get the title, shot 0:17:27.240 --> 0:17:29.879 to find to get make start making some real serious money, 0:17:30.400 --> 0:17:33.880 and like a fucking idiot, you going and cheat. But 0:17:33.920 --> 0:17:35.760 then again you start to think, how many how many 0:17:35.800 --> 0:17:37.320 years has he been cheating for? How long has it 0:17:37.400 --> 0:17:40.000 been doing it? Then it taints the entire resume and 0:17:40.119 --> 0:17:43.200 takes the name. You know, just like Lance Armstrong. You 0:17:43.200 --> 0:17:45.840 can't even talk about that name without just getting disgusted 0:17:45.880 --> 0:17:48.960 by steroids. You know, you'll never look at Lance Armstrong's 0:17:48.960 --> 0:17:51.359 accomplishments the same again. And that's what happens. Whenever you 0:17:51.400 --> 0:17:54.399 get caught. There's no going backwards. You're always known as 0:17:54.400 --> 0:17:57.200 a cheater, all right, So let's stay in the heavyweight division. 0:17:57.280 --> 0:18:01.679 Tyson Fury Anthony Joshua was official called off by Tayson 0:18:01.720 --> 0:18:05.119 Fury this week. Then it was back on according to 0:18:05.160 --> 0:18:08.439 Tayson Fury. Now I honestly don't know where it stands. 0:18:08.480 --> 0:18:12.359 Here's Eddie Hearn on Thursday discussing the state of Fury 0:18:12.480 --> 0:18:15.520 and Joshua. A lot of what Tyson Fury says he's 0:18:15.520 --> 0:18:18.800 not true. Um So just to give you the truth. 0:18:18.840 --> 0:18:22.440 When we agree terms, we waited, say eight or nine 0:18:22.520 --> 0:18:25.480 days for a contract to come through, which is okay, 0:18:25.480 --> 0:18:28.360 it's a it's a big fire. The contract was all 0:18:28.359 --> 0:18:31.840 over the place, and all of last week we spoke 0:18:31.920 --> 0:18:33.639 to Queensbury every day to try and get it in 0:18:33.680 --> 0:18:37.440 the right place. This Monday just gone. We sent them 0:18:37.560 --> 0:18:42.080 a final version of the contract, and Tyson Fury came 0:18:42.080 --> 0:18:45.800 out and said, fights off. I'm not fighting Anthony Joshua. Okay, 0:18:45.840 --> 0:18:51.080 so kind of like semi down tools yesterday. So Tuesday 0:18:51.160 --> 0:18:53.160 George Warren came and said, let me try and speak 0:18:53.160 --> 0:18:56.159 to him. Let's keep working away. We're like okay. And 0:18:56.160 --> 0:19:00.679 then yesterday afternoon George Warren said, here's our comments on 0:19:00.800 --> 0:19:03.800 your final version, which again is fine, this this happens, 0:19:04.400 --> 0:19:06.280 I mean this fight and we're here for the Connor 0:19:06.359 --> 0:19:08.600 bend you Bank fight. I would say this fight from 0:19:08.600 --> 0:19:10.480 the first draft of the contract took two and a 0:19:10.520 --> 0:19:14.639 half months to sign. So anyway, we haven't had the 0:19:14.640 --> 0:19:16.920 contract for fourteen days. By the way, that's not true either. 0:19:17.200 --> 0:19:21.280 But again, uh, last night at midnight I spoke to 0:19:21.280 --> 0:19:24.720 George Warren and he said, look, let me speak to 0:19:24.760 --> 0:19:26.520 Tyson Fury, see if I can try and get him 0:19:26.520 --> 0:19:29.600 back in the fire. Didn't hear anything other than a 0:19:29.640 --> 0:19:34.960 post on Instagram today to say sign a contract today, 0:19:34.960 --> 0:19:38.400 advise its off again. So we've got the con we've 0:19:38.400 --> 0:19:40.600 got the comments from Queen's Brianna contract. We're going to 0:19:40.680 --> 0:19:43.400 go back on that today. It's not getting signed today, 0:19:43.400 --> 0:19:46.359 as I told you, no one's asking us or putting 0:19:46.359 --> 0:19:49.480 pressure on us to sign the contract on these given 0:19:49.560 --> 0:19:53.800 days other than Tyson Fury's Instagram account. So let me 0:19:53.840 --> 0:19:57.960 ask you this, Surgail. Is it important for the two 0:19:58.000 --> 0:20:05.920 sides here to make Fury Joshua right now? Yes, em phatic. Yes, 0:20:06.160 --> 0:20:10.679 it has to happen, man, because politics always gets in 0:20:10.720 --> 0:20:13.640 the way of a fight. Injuries get in the way 0:20:13.680 --> 0:20:19.320 of a fight. Promoters, money, networks, managers. So many hurdles 0:20:19.680 --> 0:20:22.280 you have to jump just to get a mega fight 0:20:22.359 --> 0:20:25.560 to happen, and nowadays it seems like it's only gonna 0:20:25.600 --> 0:20:29.920 happen when it's past their prime. Allah Mayweather, Pakia where 0:20:30.080 --> 0:20:33.600 it happens. Yes, it would broke records. Yes, people loved 0:20:33.600 --> 0:20:35.440 it if they bought it. But then after the fight, 0:20:35.480 --> 0:20:37.640 I was like, man, both these guys are too old. 0:20:37.880 --> 0:20:41.640 It's not happening in their prime. That's exactly where Spenceon 0:20:41.800 --> 0:20:44.359 and Crawford are going there. There headed in that direction 0:20:44.440 --> 0:20:47.720 as well. I mean, the biggest fights that we need 0:20:47.880 --> 0:20:50.760 we don't get. We didn't get a J. We didn't 0:20:50.760 --> 0:20:54.240 get a j versus Fury. This is another big fight 0:20:54.280 --> 0:20:59.119 that almost got done. So many incredible fights that can happen, 0:20:59.119 --> 0:21:01.440