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Speaker 1: I want to start this podcast, Sergio with what we

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Speaker 1: last week and Joyce the two thousand sixteen Olympic silver medalist.

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Speaker 1: about Jarrell Miller for Joe Joyce, big baby Drell Miller

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Speaker 1: We're all sinners, Mannix, We're all We're all freaking sinners,

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Speaker 1: continue to slide. Fury, even though I think both of

424
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Speaker 1: us would agree, is the favorite against usk Um. He

425
00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:30,920
Speaker 1: could lose that fight and then we're out a potential

426
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Speaker 1: mega fight. But I just see a light at the

427
00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:37,560
Speaker 1: end of this Fury Joshua tunnel that has this fight

428
00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:41,639
Speaker 1: being huge, the biggest fight in boxing history if it

429
00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:45,320
Speaker 1: gets gets made a year from now. All I heard

430
00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:51,119
Speaker 1: was hopefully, and you said it twice, hopefully. Yeah. I

431
00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:54,439
Speaker 1: don't want to rely on a mega fight on hopefully.

432
00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:57,520
Speaker 1: It's yes or no. There's no maybes, there's no isssure,

433
00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:01,920
Speaker 1: there's no hopefully manics. You gotta make that stuff happen,

434
00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:03,840
Speaker 1: Make it happen while you can make it happen. And

435
00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:06,600
Speaker 1: it almost got close to happening, according to Fury. He

436
00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:10,720
Speaker 1: sent the contract. It was sixty forty according to Fury,

437
00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:13,480
Speaker 1: but we didn't get it, man, we did not get it. Now,

438
00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:18,280
Speaker 1: whatever happens next, it's gonna be hopefully, you know, where

439
00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:20,080
Speaker 1: both of them win and we can get it back again.

440
00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:23,160
Speaker 1: Like you said later next year. I don't rely on that, man,

441
00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:25,720
Speaker 1: I rely on facts. I rely on Look, I'm gonna

442
00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:28,240
Speaker 1: have one more fight, and I want to fight him now.

443
00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:29,800
Speaker 1: You know what. I don't want that other fight. I

444
00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:32,000
Speaker 1: want to fight him next. That's it. Let's make it happen.

445
00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:35,240
Speaker 1: There's no there's no hoping here. It's let's get it done.

446
00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:38,440
Speaker 1: This is business. This is boxing business. There's two things.

447
00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:40,439
Speaker 1: So I'm a boxer. I'm gonna take care of my

448
00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:42,560
Speaker 1: boxing and then I'm gonna take care of my business.

449
00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:45,400
Speaker 1: It was that closely getting done, I would think, But

450
00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:47,920
Speaker 1: it's just bad, bad, bad bad. I say, make it,

451
00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:50,680
Speaker 1: make the fight happen next. I don't want to rely

452
00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:53,080
Speaker 1: on hopefully. Yeah, but you look at Tyson Fury right now,

453
00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:55,600
Speaker 1: and he's at the peak of his powers. He is

454
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Speaker 1: the best heavy weight in the world by a significant amount,

455
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Speaker 1: I would say, and he would go into that a

456
00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:04,879
Speaker 1: j fight peaking. Where is Anthony Joshua right now? In

457
00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:07,359
Speaker 1: your mind, you've watched the last two fights against Usick.

458
00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:10,000
Speaker 1: He looked sharper in the rematch against us but he

459
00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:12,080
Speaker 1: still lost. And then he went out and have that

460
00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:14,960
Speaker 1: meltdown in the ring afterwards. We don't know what the

461
00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:18,040
Speaker 1: status is of Robert Garcia as his trainer. We don't

462
00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:21,159
Speaker 1: know what the status is of Angel Fernandez as his trainer. Serger,

463
00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:23,560
Speaker 1: You've told me many times over the years that you

464
00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:26,080
Speaker 1: need more than one fight to get used to a

465
00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:28,800
Speaker 1: new trainer, that you need time to adjust to him.

466
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Speaker 1: Like I want to see Anthony Joshua fight. And I've

467
00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:35,480
Speaker 1: said this before, the British or like not the British,

468
00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:38,280
Speaker 1: he is British, Dave Allen or somebody like that over

469
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Speaker 1: in the UK in December January. Go on and fight

470
00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:43,400
Speaker 1: Dillian White in April or May, and then you get

471
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Speaker 1: to September October, and that's when you fight Tyson Fury.

472
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Speaker 1: I don't look at a j right now as being

473
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Speaker 1: anything more than like of what he could be at

474
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Speaker 1: this moment where his fury is at his very best.

475
00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:00,480
Speaker 1: I like the comeback fight to get that confidence and

476
00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:05,000
Speaker 1: that knockout again just kicked the ship out of somebody. Absolutely,

477
00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:10,840
Speaker 1: Um done that. Um Yeah, it's been a while. It's

478
00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:15,679
Speaker 1: uh povetkan no bathroom and povy knocked out. I mean

479
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:19,640
Speaker 1: he kind of struggled, Yeah he did. I don't think

480
00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:22,920
Speaker 1: he looked at full capacity there. I think Povkian was

481
00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:25,560
Speaker 1: the last time we've seen him, you know, firing on

482
00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:28,760
Speaker 1: all cylinders. But I like that plan, and it has

483
00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:32,679
Speaker 1: to do with a damaged ego and a damaged you know,

484
00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:37,120
Speaker 1: former champion. You get him that confidence back. Every power puncher,

485
00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:39,720
Speaker 1: you know, every power puncher from you know Forming too,

486
00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:43,160
Speaker 1: you know Tommy hearns when they lost that first fight,

487
00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:45,640
Speaker 1: you know, the first loss it was, it was by knockout.

488
00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:48,320
Speaker 1: They had to get that feeling back again. And then

489
00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:50,720
Speaker 1: once they started knocking our guys again, they won the

490
00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:53,760
Speaker 1: title again. They that's who exactly what this man needs

491
00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:55,720
Speaker 1: right now. He needs to make He needs to fill

492
00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:58,520
Speaker 1: on top of the world. He needs to hear the words,

493
00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:01,240
Speaker 1: you know, and the winner Anthony Joshua hands up in

494
00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:04,040
Speaker 1: the air, the roar of the crowd. That's addicting, Mannix,

495
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:08,680
Speaker 1: that's addicting. And once that winning filling comes back, it's

496
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:11,520
Speaker 1: something you've you've felt all your life, and then you

497
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:13,480
Speaker 1: can go into another big fight. All you need to

498
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:16,159
Speaker 1: do is have a good, solid one. Were you agreeing

499
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:18,720
Speaker 1: with me? Yes, I am, but you just did I

500
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Speaker 1: wouldn't go as far as you say David Allen. No,

501
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:23,399
Speaker 1: but you so you would if you were a j

502
00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:26,800
Speaker 1: you would put off the Fury fight. Then no, this

503
00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:28,520
Speaker 1: is what we're talking about. Though. I know that's what

504
00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:30,800
Speaker 1: we're talking about. Do Fury and it's not happening now.

505
00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:34,600
Speaker 1: It might from what from what they're changes his mind

506
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Speaker 1: By the time people listen to this podcast on Friday,

507
00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:38,600
Speaker 1: theory might have changed his mind three times already. Like

508
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:42,120
Speaker 1: it keeps the goalpost, keep moving with Tyson Fury. All right,

509
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:44,400
Speaker 1: I say take the Fury fight. If that fight doesn't happen,

510
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:47,200
Speaker 1: then yes, your plan works well, but not a David Allen.

511
00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:52,080
Speaker 1: Someone will more recognition and some someone that that people

512
00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:54,560
Speaker 1: can at least recognize. You want to see him kills

513
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:56,919
Speaker 1: out there. I don't think like management buddies now doesn't

514
00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:02,399
Speaker 1: managed churches or I think management well, I mean, it

515
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:05,480
Speaker 1: could be someone along those I want along those lines.

516
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:07,439
Speaker 1: I didn't say it just so, but along those lines.

517
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:10,040
Speaker 1: All Right, we gotta move on. Let's talk about Demetrius Andreid.

518
00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:15,320
Speaker 1: Oh exactly. Uh, the now former middleweight champion is a

519
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:18,560
Speaker 1: man without a fight. After Andreid elected to withdraw from

520
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:21,000
Speaker 1: an interim title fight and drem hundred sixty eight pound

521
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:25,520
Speaker 1: title fighter should say against Zach Parker. The reason was financial.

522
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:28,879
Speaker 1: When Frank Warren, who promotes Zack Parker, initially won the

523
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:31,720
Speaker 1: purse bid for uh for Andreid Parker back in the spring,

524
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:35,080
Speaker 1: it was for one point eight million. Andreid had to

525
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:37,680
Speaker 1: withdraw from that fight because of an injury. A new

526
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:40,440
Speaker 1: purse bid was ordered, which resulted in Warren winning for

527
00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:43,480
Speaker 1: just three hundred and five thousand, which is a significant

528
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:46,360
Speaker 1: cut for Demetrius. Andrew decided that was not enough money

529
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:49,239
Speaker 1: to go ahead with that fight. But now Andreid is

530
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 1: thirty four and faced with being out of the ring

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Speaker 1: for more than a year. Sergio, where does Demetrius Andreid

532
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:59,720
Speaker 1: our friend go from here? Well, I'll tell you where

533
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:02,360
Speaker 1: he is, because I've been there before. Whenever you're you've

534
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:06,560
Speaker 1: been getting paid really really well and and being a

535
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:09,040
Speaker 1: champion and been in the limelight, and then you have

536
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:12,320
Speaker 1: that hiccup and he hasn't even lost, and it's a hiccup.

537
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:14,960
Speaker 1: But you can't get the big fights anymore. The phone

538
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:18,440
Speaker 1: stops ringing. You're not a sought out, you know, a commodity,

539
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:21,120
Speaker 1: You're not You're not hot anymore. You have to take

540
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:25,040
Speaker 1: a dangerous fight you have to take a high risk,

541
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:29,680
Speaker 1: low reward type fight to get respect. And now the

542
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:32,480
Speaker 1: shoes on the other foot, Mannix. That's the reason people

543
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:35,360
Speaker 1: didn't want to fight Demitrius Andreid. He was too much

544
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:38,320
Speaker 1: of a high risk, low reward. Now Andreid's on the

545
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:40,120
Speaker 1: other side of that. That's what he needs to do.

546
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:43,719
Speaker 1: He he needs to go and beat a fighter like

547
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:47,320
Speaker 1: a I would think, like a jannebec h Line Cannoey,

548
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 1: scary Kazakhstan, another south Paw. He'll get respect doing that,

549
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 1: someone that no one wants to face right now, someone

550
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 1: along those lines. Because a Chard was not gonna fight him.

551
00:28:57,360 --> 00:28:59,120
Speaker 1: Canell certainly not gonna find him. He's not gonna get

552
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:01,920
Speaker 1: a marquete name. But get a scary, little you know,

553
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:05,320
Speaker 1: unknown like that and wipe the floor with him or

554
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 1: win convincingly. That's how you turn heads. So that's what

555
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 1: Andrew needs to do. If he wants to get back

556
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 1: to the seven figure pay days that he got accustomed to.

557
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:16,360
Speaker 1: You know, he has to take a high risk, low

558
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 1: reward type fight. I agree, Um, I don't think that

559
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 1: fight is jennebec. I think that fight is David Benavidez.

560
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 1: And there's been some wait, a minute. Is a champion,

561
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:29,959
Speaker 1: that's a that's a champion, former champion, champion though, that's

562
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 1: a name recognition. What are you talking about time champion defeated.

563
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:36,680
Speaker 1: You're not a champion right now. No one's ever beat him.

564
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 1: Who is the champion in one sixty eight? Yes, Benavidez

565
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:45,959
Speaker 1: has the secondary title for the WBC. There's been some

566
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:49,200
Speaker 1: industry chatter, Chap, I don't care what you say. He's

567
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:51,160
Speaker 1: lost it twice, once on the scales and once because

568
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:55,280
Speaker 1: of a record. This is a dumb part of the argument.

569
00:29:55,560 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 1: Benavidez is the ideal opponent for andre Okay, but Andreid

570
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 1: needs to find a way to align himself with al Hammon.

571
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:07,440
Speaker 1: He has to. He has to go over to the

572
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:09,720
Speaker 1: PBC side. It's the only way for him to get

573
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:12,560
Speaker 1: a significant fight. Eddie Hearn tried for three years to

574
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 1: make a big fight for Demetrius Andreid Andred Met a

575
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:17,400
Speaker 1: lot of money. It didn't work. Top rank. They would

576
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:19,239
Speaker 1: have done a deal for Andreid to fight Janna back,

577
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:20,920
Speaker 1: but they have nobody else out there for I mean,

578
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:23,160
Speaker 1: he's not gonna fight like Edgar Berlang is not going

579
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 1: to fight, and that's for sure. Where the action is

580
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 1: for Demetrius Andreid is with the PBC, and it's gonna

581
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 1: have to start with David Benavidez. That's an incredibly dangerous

582
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:35,239
Speaker 1: fight for Andreid, who would be making his debut at

583
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 1: a hundred and sixty eight pounds. But if he beats Benavidez,

584
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:42,320
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, he's in position to fight Caleb Plant,

585
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 1: to fight Jamal Charlo, to maybe put get in the

586
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 1: mix to fight Canelo. If he's able to beat someone

587
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:51,520
Speaker 1: like Benavidez. I think that's the only option right now, Sergio,

588
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 1: Like whatever money al Haman is offering Demetrius Andred, if

589
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:58,320
Speaker 1: he's offering anything at all, he has to take it.

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Speaker 1: He has to find a way to get in the

591
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:05,120
Speaker 1: ring with David Benavidez. All roads, Mannix, all roads, when

592
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 1: the doors are shut in your face, lead to Al Hayman.

593
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 1: You would know. I wouldn't know because they shut every

594
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 1: single door. I mean when I when I want to

595
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 1: say Al Hayman and I made a lot of money

596
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:18,840
Speaker 1: towards the end of my career, So I think I

597
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 1: love that idea. Demetrius Andreid should sign with Al Hayman.

598
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:25,520
Speaker 1: That man will get you paid like you're accustomed to,

599
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 1: and he will put you in front of the big names.

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00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:30,480
Speaker 1: He might take one or two fights, but he'll put

601
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 1: you in front of those champions that I love that idea. Well,

602
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 1: I mean he Andreid passed on the chance to fight

603
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:41,280
Speaker 1: or to be part of the showtime al haman Um network,

604
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:44,080
Speaker 1: you know about two years ago. If there's an off

605
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:45,800
Speaker 1: for him, now he's got to take it because I mean,

606
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:47,800
Speaker 1: I mean, surg you at thirty four years old, can

607
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 1: you believe this as talented as Andreid is, And he's

608
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 1: incredibly talented. We both agree on that he has never

609
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:57,240
Speaker 1: fought a former world champion and his entire career he's

610
00:31:57,280 --> 00:31:59,720
Speaker 1: never fought a world champion or a former world champion.

611
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:03,480
Speaker 1: He wanted title at one as a vacant belt, beating

612
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 1: Vonus matt Erosion, and he won his title at won

613
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:09,720
Speaker 1: sixty as we know, against Walter Couten Daqua. Now he's

614
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 1: had some bad luck along the way. Was supposed to

615
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 1: by Billy Joe Saunders back in uh two thousand and eighteen.

616
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 1: That didn't happen, But he will have one of the

617
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 1: thinnest resumes of any two time world champion or two

618
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 1: division world champion I've ever heard of at this point. Yeah,

619
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Speaker 1: you know what now that now that you mentioned that,

620
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:30,800
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about, Wow, he did pick up you know,

621
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Speaker 1: vacant titles. You know, that's a title holder. That's a

622
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 1: two division title holder. I've never heard that expression before.

623
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 1: That's a two division title holder because, you know, my

624
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 1: the way I think of it, you need to beat

625
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 1: a champion to become a champion. If you pick up

626
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:48,320
Speaker 1: a vacant strap, that makes you a title holder. No

627
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 1: shame there, You're still a title holding the older belt.

628
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 1: I never saw it that way because I think the

629
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Speaker 1: world of Andreid ever since, you know, he made the

630
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:59,240
Speaker 1: Olympics represented US. You know, I think he's one of

631
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:02,480
Speaker 1: these avoided you know, scary fighters and no one wants

632
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Speaker 1: to face. And he's not the Laura you know type,

633
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:08,960
Speaker 1: you know, talent like that. But yeah, he hasn't fought

634
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:12,240
Speaker 1: a champion. That's incredible and it blows my mind because

635
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 1: he's that avoided. Yeah, I mean he has avoided is

636
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:18,480
Speaker 1: the right word. He has been avoided at four. He

637
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 1: was avoided at one sixty to not be avoided one

638
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 1: sixty eight. He's got a step in the lion's den

639
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 1: right away. His first fight's gotta be against David Benavidez.

640
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 1: I think that's possible to I've heard some chatter about

641
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:30,520
Speaker 1: that maybe happening before the end of the year. I

642
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 1: think Benavidez side wants that. Benavidez doesn't duck any smoke

643
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:35,480
Speaker 1: he wants. I was about to tell you, I was

644
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 1: about to tell you that without saying the words smoke

645
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 1: and please don't ever use the word smoke again, just

646
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 1: doesn't sound. But yes, he he but he wants all

647
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 1: the fire he wants. That is the difference. Oh yeah,

648
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:52,960
Speaker 1: Well he wants all all the he wants the hardest

649
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:55,680
Speaker 1: challenges and I I get it, man. And a guy

650
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 1: like Benavidez, he doesn't turn down anybody. I guy like, hey,

651
00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 1: the Plant will be cowculated, be like, no, let him

652
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:04,600
Speaker 1: beat somebody. Who else is that one six rail? Like

653
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:08,280
Speaker 1: Caleb Plant beat somebody first? How about that? It's Caleb Plant.

654
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:10,520
Speaker 1: But but Canello, But he has Canell on his resume.

655
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 1: That's like the Romero arguments. He got knocked out. And

656
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 1: and now look at Roly Romero. He has a name,

657
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:21,359
Speaker 1: he has a recognition. You see him around fights. People

658
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 1: want to take pictures of him. He carries himself with

659
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 1: that bad boy sway. Doesn't matter. People know him by

660
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:29,319
Speaker 1: now and people that's what matters. Doesn't winning matter? Of

661
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 1: course winning matters, but also getting big fights because you're

662
00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:35,440
Speaker 1: you're you're known, you have name recognition. You're not a

663
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 1: nobody anymore. So you think you're known for getting knocked

664
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:41,239
Speaker 1: out doesn't matter. People know the name Rolly Romero and

665
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:44,480
Speaker 1: Caleb Plant because of who they fought. That's that. That's that.

666
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:47,080
Speaker 1: So now they can they can they have a little

667
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:49,759
Speaker 1: weight on their name. Then let him cash out on.

668
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 1: This is the state of boxing in a nutshell. You

669
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:54,480
Speaker 1: are known and you are considered a success because you

670
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 1: got knocked out by a high level opponent. That that

671
00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:01,319
Speaker 1: is absurd in every possible way. That's what happens. Man.

672
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:06,399
Speaker 1: I mean, just because you kill Jesse James doesn't make

673
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 1: you Jesse Jack. Yes, I remember, I saw the movie. Yes,

674
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 1: I got it. Uh. I don't want to make this

675
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:16,799
Speaker 1: about Rolly Romero though, But like the problem with what

676
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:18,959
Speaker 1: you're talking about with Rolly Romero and to a lesser

677
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:22,680
Speaker 1: degree Caleb Plant is like they think what who they

678
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:25,319
Speaker 1: got in the ring with and lost to entitles them

679
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:27,920
Speaker 1: to something big. Roller Romero could have gotten a fight

680
00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:29,719
Speaker 1: by now. Chances are, though, he's not going to fight

681
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:31,759
Speaker 1: the rest of this year and may not fight till

682
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:34,440
Speaker 1: the middle of next year because he thinks he's worthy

683
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:36,759
Speaker 1: of Errol Spence or he thinks he's worthy of Ryan

684
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:40,759
Speaker 1: Garcia somebody like that. That's ridiculous, of course it is,

685
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 1: but you put him in with like, you know, Errol

686
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:45,000
Speaker 1: Spence wants him to fight Frank Martin, his guy, the

687
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 1: outer and thirty five pounder. Roller Mere is not gonna

688
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:49,960
Speaker 1: do that because Frank Martin probably beats him that and

689
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 1: Romero already has recognition where he can bring that name

690
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 1: value and get a bigger fight. And he's the Derek

691
00:35:56,320 --> 00:36:02,160
Speaker 1: so of say I give a story, He's not like No,

692
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:05,319
Speaker 1: Romero is like a like a record of Mayorga. He's

693
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:08,040
Speaker 1: like a Mayorga. He talks, he talks to talk, and

694
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:10,800
Speaker 1: he has a big punch and people love that. My

695
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:13,560
Speaker 1: Orga at least was fighting guys too, though why he

696
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:16,759
Speaker 1: became a champion. Absolutely, Yeah, it's a little bit different there,

697
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:19,360
Speaker 1: all right, Uh, let's talk about Floyd Maywether. The Floyd

698
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 1: Mayweather Exhibition Tour continued last week with may where they're

699
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:26,919
Speaker 1: knocking out mkiro Asakara, a Japanese mm A star who

700
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:29,279
Speaker 1: is well known on that side of the world. Up

701
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 1: next for Floyd is a November exhibition against Degi, the

702
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 1: younger brother of influencer K s I. But then, Sergio,

703
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 1: things could get interesting. Jake Paul has called for a

704
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:44,400
Speaker 1: fight against Mayweather. When asked about fighting Jake Paul, Mayweather

705
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:47,319
Speaker 1: said this, he said, I'm only doing real fights. Of

706
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:49,640
Speaker 1: course I can't get up high and weight, but I'll

707
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 1: fight him in a real fight at the way that

708
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 1: I'm at. But as a right now for what he's doing,

709
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 1: it's good for what he's doing, but once he fights

710
00:36:57,040 --> 00:37:01,440
Speaker 1: a real, actual, real fighter, it's gonna be last day. Sergio,

711
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:04,920
Speaker 1: do you like a fight between Floyd Mayweather and Jake Paul?

712
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:08,880
Speaker 1: Of course I do, And I'm gonna explain why because

713
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:11,120
Speaker 1: Floyd maybe that like you said on on the on

714
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 1: the Victory Tour, the celebrity tour, the non boxing tour,

715
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 1: and this guy, this man, this legend, this this is

716
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 1: one of the greats of our generation. Money Mayweather deserves

717
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:24,240
Speaker 1: it nowadays. He spent his entire life, his entire career

718
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 1: dedicated to become as great as he was fifty and no,

719
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:30,440
Speaker 1: you know, numerous world champions made all the money in

720
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 1: the world. Now it's time for him to just rob

721
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 1: the bank, the heist, you know, go on the on

722
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:37,360
Speaker 1: the studdle tour, kick, kick the hell out of m

723
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 1: m A fighters, kick the hell out of you know,

724
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:43,800
Speaker 1: Connor McGregor's and break pay per view records, kickboxers whatever.

725
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:46,759
Speaker 1: You can fight whoever he wants. And now if he

726
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 1: wants to fight another celebrity YouTube celebrity, he already beat

727
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:52,799
Speaker 1: Logan Paul. Yeah, whoop the hell out of his brother.

728
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 1: It would be a great thing. I think he'll I

729
00:37:54,640 --> 00:38:00,120
Speaker 1: think you'll do well. Okay, you have to differentiate between

730
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 1: the collection of guys like Degi and do I just

731
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 1: mentioned the YouTuber is gonna fight next uh, the two

732
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 1: Japanese fighters he fought in the last year there in

733
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:19,280
Speaker 1: one category, Jake Paul is in another. Jake He's better

734
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:22,399
Speaker 1: than those guys, is what I'm saying, and that makes

735
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:25,239
Speaker 1: him more dangerous to Floyd May with her Sergio. You

736
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:31,360
Speaker 1: watched Floyd against Logan Paul. Um it was ugly, but

737
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:34,719
Speaker 1: you know, Logan Paul was using his size to kind

738
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 1: of push Mayweather around a little bit during that fight.

739
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 1: I don't know who wanted. I wasn't scoring it. I

740
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:42,759
Speaker 1: was cringing during most of it. But he went the

741
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:47,200
Speaker 1: full what eight round distance against Floyd Mayweather. And Jake

742
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:51,240
Speaker 1: Paul is a better boxer than Logan Paul. Jake Paul

743
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 1: actually has real knockout power. Now I'm skeptical that fight

744
00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 1: would ever happen because Jake Paul is walking around at

745
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 1: h ninety pounds. Floyd, what is he like round one

746
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 1: sixty at this point, maybe a little lower one fifty four.

747
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 1: I don't see Jake Paul getting down that low and

748
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:10,440
Speaker 1: weight for a fight like that. I don't see Floyd

749
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 1: going up that further. But unless the money is astronomically high,

750
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:19,439
Speaker 1: why would you get into the ring with someone who

751
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:23,759
Speaker 1: is a developing boxer who has real power? Why would

752
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:26,279
Speaker 1: you do it? Sergio? Like, if you can make low

753
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 1: seven figures to fight these absolute walkovers like the guy

754
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:32,520
Speaker 1: he fought in his last fight and the guy is

755
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 1: gonna fight in his next fight, why would you risk it?

756
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 1: Why would you risk having your entire legacy forgotten, which

757
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:40,920
Speaker 1: it would be and you know it, it would be

758
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 1: forgotten if you get starched from one punch from Jake Paul.

759
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:51,399
Speaker 1: The full disclosure, Mannix. Does Jake Paul sponsor your show?

760
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:55,799
Speaker 1: He does not. Why are you so infatuated with Jake Paul?

761
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 1: Why are we talking about Jake Paul? Because he would

762
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 1: fight it, That's why we're Are you praising his power

763
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:05,040
Speaker 1: like he's Rocky Marciano or somebody he's been knocking power.

764
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:07,759
Speaker 1: He's a strong kid, but I don't think he has power.

765
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:10,799
Speaker 1: He's knocking out non boxers. You know how many non

766
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 1: boxes I knocked out in the hood. I mean, that's

767
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:15,799
Speaker 1: just basically what he's doing. He's knocking out guys because

768
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:18,120
Speaker 1: he's a strong athletic kid. Him and his brother are

769
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:21,439
Speaker 1: strong athletic you know, former football players, wrestlers. These guys

770
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:24,239
Speaker 1: are strong. They you know, Yeah, anyone could punch hard

771
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:25,719
Speaker 1: with if you don't know how to, if you don't

772
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 1: know how to duck. Floyd Mayweather is a defensive genius.

773
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:31,480
Speaker 1: Most boxers know how to defend themselves. Roll roll, roll

774
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 1: from a shot. These guys, what makes them good is

775
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 1: that they're strong. What's gonna make them suck when they

776
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:40,360
Speaker 1: fight a real pro fighters that they can't take a punch.

777
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:42,959
Speaker 1: That's the main thing. Once they get hit, they're gonna

778
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:45,239
Speaker 1: turn their back and quiver, or they're gonna go down

779
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:47,799
Speaker 1: and they're not gonna know how to react. That's where

780
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:50,440
Speaker 1: the difference is gonna be, Maddox. That's where the difference

781
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:52,759
Speaker 1: is gonna be. Not whether they could punch out like

782
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:55,600
Speaker 1: you're so like in love with the power. It's whether

783
00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 1: they could take a damn punch. It's not gonn take

784
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 1: a big punch. That's why Floyd maywether so comfort a

785
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:03,759
Speaker 1: hundred and sixty pounds against a hundred ninety pounds if

786
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:05,719
Speaker 1: he had some dead in the chin, doesn't. It's not

787
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 1: gonna better that they don't know how to take a punch.

788
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 1: These guys do not know how to take up punch. Okay,

789
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 1: So why did Logan Paul go the distance? Then? Because

790
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:14,880
Speaker 1: you had forty pounds on him. He had forty pounds

791
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:16,879
Speaker 1: on Floyd May with her so size, Obviously he's gonna

792
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:18,840
Speaker 1: matter when it comes to a certain not only that

793
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:21,080
Speaker 1: he had height, he had everything on him. Jacoble have

794
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:23,040
Speaker 1: some hid on him. Jacob probably have some weight on him.

795
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:26,080
Speaker 1: He re hydrated pretty high up. Okay, I'm not saying

796
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 1: Jake won't go some rounds. I mean Jake will go

797
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:30,400
Speaker 1: some rounds. And look, Floyd was never a knockout puncher

798
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 1: in his best days, Like he wasn't like I take

799
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:34,759
Speaker 1: it back. His best days were probably before he was

800
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:36,440
Speaker 1: really good as a knockout puncher. It that way, But

801
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 1: since he got to seven above, he was not a

802
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:41,239
Speaker 1: knockout punch. He's not gonna knock out Japaul. It's not

803
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:43,960
Speaker 1: gonna happen. And I'd be concerned that he just gets

804
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:46,879
Speaker 1: caught that at forty five years old, his reflexes aren't

805
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 1: quite what they used to be. He just gets caught

806
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 1: with a big punch, which all of a sudden makes

807
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 1: that like the front the first line is Wikipedia page

808
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:58,760
Speaker 1: like it becomes, you know, a part of his narrative.

809
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:01,440
Speaker 1: He doesn't need that. He accomplished way too much in

810
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:04,760
Speaker 1: the sport of boxing to put himself in that position.

811
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 1: The bottom line for me, Sergio is I would if

812
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 1: I was advising Floyd and he's got smart people around him,

813
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 1: I would say, don't go anywhere near Jake Paul. Makes

814
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:15,879
Speaker 1: no sense for you to do that. You're insane. He's

815
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:17,719
Speaker 1: laughing all the way to the bank. And that's the

816
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:19,880
Speaker 1: reason he comes out with that with that mask, that

817
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:23,000
Speaker 1: robber robbers mask, you know, because it's a heist. Every

818
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 1: time he goes into one of these these you know,

819
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:28,440
Speaker 1: non boxing fights, it's highst he he leaves all the

820
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 1: way left in all the way to the bank. And

821
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:32,719
Speaker 1: there's another another case of that. So yeah, I'm all

822
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:36,720
Speaker 1: for money. Mayweather whooping the hell out of another Paul Brother.

823
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:40,120
Speaker 1: I'll give it to Floyd. A great businessman in his

824
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:43,440
Speaker 1: active days in a great businessman in retirement. Like I

825
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:48,200
Speaker 1: watched the replay of that fight against Asakura. I think

826
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:51,279
Speaker 1: I had no chance. And look, Deji is gonna get

827
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:53,440
Speaker 1: cloppered in that fight in the Middle East, like just

828
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 1: gonna get beat up in Floyd is gonna cash a

829
00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:57,800
Speaker 1: seven figure paycheck to go and do it, like thanks

830
00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:00,439
Speaker 1: for coming way to work up a sweat to knock

831
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:04,040
Speaker 1: some nobody out and here's well over a million dollars.

832
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:08,440
Speaker 1: He's not a businessman. He's a business man, so let

833
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 1: him handle his business. Damn, who are you trying to

834
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 1: sound like they're that's a jay Z line. You wouldn't know,

835
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 1: you don't. You don't sound like Jay Z delivering it though,

836
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:21,239
Speaker 1: Well it's out of context. All right, Um, let's talk

837
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:24,440
Speaker 1: about Ryan Garcia and Tank Davis while we wait for

838
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 1: Ryan versus Tank in the ring. The two of them

839
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:30,080
Speaker 1: may not be all that willing to wait for a

840
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:32,719
Speaker 1: fight outside of the ring. Garcia was on social media

841
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:36,280
Speaker 1: this week detailing a near altercation he had with Tank

842
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 1: at a Los Angeles nightclubs Sergio. Negotiations, I'm told are

843
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 1: still ongoing for Garcia versus Tank, either in December or

844
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 1: January of next year. I'll put the question this way.

845
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:50,360
Speaker 1: Who needs that fight to happen more? Ryan Garcia or

846
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:55,400
Speaker 1: Tank Davis. They both do equally equally Mannix and I hate.

847
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:56,920
Speaker 1: I hate the fact that I'm you know, I'm not

848
00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 1: choosing the side, and you know you don't like me

849
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:01,960
Speaker 1: when I write the border like that, But they both do.

850
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 1: Tank his damn near twenty eight years old, and he

851
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:10,279
Speaker 1: hasn't faced a legitimate scary champion. He's faced Gamboa, a

852
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 1: guy that was past his prime. Uh Santa Cruz, someone

853
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 1: that was much smaller. He has not faced anyone that's

854
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:19,440
Speaker 1: on his level. And when he did on Easta Cruz,

855
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 1: which was not a championship type fight. You know, he

856
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:25,439
Speaker 1: wasn't a champion. He gave him hell. He gave him hell.

857
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:30,000
Speaker 1: So that's Tank Davis and Ryan Garcia on the other end.

858
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:34,359
Speaker 1: They're moving him really nicely. But he's only four years old.

859
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 1: You know, he's four years younger than Tanks. So he's fine.

860
00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:41,400
Speaker 1: But you know a lot of people do think that

861
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:43,680
Speaker 1: that he that he just calls out guys because they

862
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:46,200
Speaker 1: know that they're not gonna then they're not gonna take

863
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:48,879
Speaker 1: the fight. So I would love for one of these

864
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 1: champions that Ryan Garcia calls out on social media and

865
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 1: he has a lot of followers to finally say, you

866
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:55,960
Speaker 1: know what, all right, kid, I'm sending you the contract,

867
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:58,480
Speaker 1: because then you know, that's when you know he's if

868
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:01,160
Speaker 1: he's real. I know Ryan Garcia's frou. I've seen it

869
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:03,360
Speaker 1: from my own eyes when when he got off the

870
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:05,799
Speaker 1: campus with Lou Campbell. I said it, We're gonna see

871
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:08,200
Speaker 1: what this kid's made up because I was in doubt.

872
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:10,239
Speaker 1: I didn't know what he had. You don't know how

873
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:12,040
Speaker 1: you're gonna react when you get clipped like that for

874
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:14,840
Speaker 1: the first time, dropped and hurt by a real a

875
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:18,200
Speaker 1: real fighter, a guy like Lou Campbell. He got up

876
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:20,600
Speaker 1: and closed the show like a champ. He had that

877
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:22,759
Speaker 1: look in his eye, the eye of the tiger. So

878
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 1: I I believe in Ryan Garcia. So who needs this fight?

879
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:30,839
Speaker 1: They both do. And it's aside from Joshua Fury or

880
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:33,120
Speaker 1: or or Canella whoever else, it's the biggest fight in

881
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:36,720
Speaker 1: the boxing. It's yeah, it's it's up there, um, bigger

882
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:39,960
Speaker 1: than Crawford Spence if he's a commercial for sure. Yeah, um,

883
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 1: I understand why you say Ryan Garcia needs that fight,

884
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 1: but con Jamonta Davis needs it a lot more. Jamonta

885
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:49,160
Speaker 1: Davis is gonna be twenty years old in November, and

886
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:52,280
Speaker 1: to your point, is not fund anyone anyone really consider

887
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:54,920
Speaker 1: high level at this point. His biggest win came back

888
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:57,400
Speaker 1: when he was at a hundred and thirty pounds against

889
00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:00,560
Speaker 1: Tozi Benevidez. Like that's come on, let's let's be real

890
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:04,160
Speaker 1: with this. If Javonte Davis fights, I don't even know

891
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:05,839
Speaker 1: who would fight. We have this conversation all the time.

892
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:08,000
Speaker 1: I don't know who's there at one thirty or one

893
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:10,840
Speaker 1: thirty five or even one forty in the PBC universe

894
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:13,719
Speaker 1: that makes any sense, Like could he dropped back to

895
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:16,440
Speaker 1: one thirty to fight Hector Luis Garcia for his title.

896
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 1: I guess that would be a credible fight for him,

897
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:20,680
Speaker 1: but he's not gonna go back to one thirty and

898
00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:24,080
Speaker 1: Garcia doesn't have the same kind of credibility at one

899
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:27,880
Speaker 1: thirty five. Look, even the most staunchest of Garcia or

900
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:30,759
Speaker 1: sorry of TANKS supporters, guys like Ak and Barack we

901
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:33,239
Speaker 1: work with Onto Zone, have said to me, like, if

902
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:35,919
Speaker 1: if he doesn't take a real fight in his next fight,

903
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:38,239
Speaker 1: you know, we're gonna start to turn on him as well. Like,

904
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:42,399
Speaker 1: you know, even the biggest advocates for Tank are saying, now,

905
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:45,120
Speaker 1: he needs a big fight. We've been saying it for

906
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:48,200
Speaker 1: two years now, Well you've been saying it for two years,

907
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:51,120
Speaker 1: saying I've been maybe a year and a half a

908
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 1: year from a year. Yeah, I got, I got I

909
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 1: kind of I kind of. Uh. But he needs it, man,

910
00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:59,160
Speaker 1: like he can't. Yes, he does, and he's got to

911
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:01,879
Speaker 1: be the one that goes to Al Hayman and goes

912
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:04,160
Speaker 1: to Leonard Labe and the people that are responsible for

913
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:06,719
Speaker 1: charting the course of his career and say make the fight.

914
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:09,359
Speaker 1: Now he has done that with Ryan Garcia, Like I said,

915
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:12,520
Speaker 1: I've talked to people during this week, like there are

916
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:17,920
Speaker 1: still talks going on for Garcia against uh Davis. I

917
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:20,239
Speaker 1: don't know how. I don't know if it gets done

918
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:22,960
Speaker 1: because it is a complicated fight to make, and I

919
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:25,080
Speaker 1: never believe fights like that are gonna happen. They are

920
00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:27,520
Speaker 1: talking about doing it. But if you're Garcia and if

921
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:29,919
Speaker 1: your tank, specifically tank, you gotta make this fight happen.

922
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 1: You gotta ram this fight through and and get it

923
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:36,279
Speaker 1: to the finish line because you need Ryan Garcia more

924
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:38,160
Speaker 1: than Ryan Garcia needs you. If you if Ryan Garcia

925
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 1: doesn't get tank, he stays at one forty starts to

926
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:43,239
Speaker 1: move his career forward. At a hundred forty pounds, there

927
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:45,719
Speaker 1: fights there for he'd probably get a shot surgeon at

928
00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:48,160
Speaker 1: a vacant title or one of those like like Program

929
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:51,240
Speaker 1: versus the Page is happening, hold on Program Versubta is happening.

930
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:54,040
Speaker 1: I think in November like Garcia would get an opportunity

931
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:56,960
Speaker 1: to fight the winner of that fight. I believe Um

932
00:47:57,080 --> 00:47:58,920
Speaker 1: or some other of those hundred forty pounds times that

933
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:00,719
Speaker 1: have broken off now that Josh Taylor has given a

934
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:04,280
Speaker 1: bunch of them up. So I think Garcia has a

935
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:06,920
Speaker 1: path forward that is credible. I don't know what the

936
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:09,440
Speaker 1: path forward is for Tank if he's going to continue

937
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:12,440
Speaker 1: to avoid these types of big fights. Garcia is the

938
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 1: most marketable fight, uh as far as you know, the

939
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:19,399
Speaker 1: higher numbers and pay per view and all that. But

940
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:22,240
Speaker 1: the fight that will be more interesting in my opinion

941
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:25,440
Speaker 1: at one forty is a fight between Tank and Teo

942
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:28,920
Speaker 1: Female Lopez. Could you imagine that fight, the build up

943
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:31,359
Speaker 1: that can be in the Barclays or anywhere in New

944
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:34,440
Speaker 1: York or or in the East Coast. It'll do big.

945
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:36,719
Speaker 1: That's a pay per view fight as well. Be a

946
00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:39,520
Speaker 1: different crowd. You have Ryan Garcia with all the sixteen

947
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:43,040
Speaker 1: year old girls in social media, you know, uh, celebrities,

948
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:45,239
Speaker 1: and when it comes to Tank and Teal Female, that'll

949
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:49,000
Speaker 1: be the hardcore that'll be That'll be the East Coast.

950
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:52,640
Speaker 1: That'll be the irving crowd. That'd be boxing diehad die hards.

951
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 1: That will be a hell of a fight. Let me

952
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:55,759
Speaker 1: give you a different a hell of it. It's a

953
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:57,160
Speaker 1: great fight, don't get me wrong. Let me give you

954
00:48:57,160 --> 00:48:59,399
Speaker 1: a different pathway. I would like to see Tank tape.

955
00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:01,480
Speaker 1: I would like to see him find a way to

956
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:03,880
Speaker 1: get the Ryan Garcia fight done. If he gets that

957
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:05,120
Speaker 1: fight done, you know I want to see him fight

958
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:10,520
Speaker 1: after that. Of course Stevenson. Stevenson moving up to because

959
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:12,919
Speaker 1: of course Stevenson is one of these guys you don't

960
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:15,200
Speaker 1: want to fight. Oh God, here we go, so you avoid?

961
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:21,279
Speaker 1: Would that good? Okay? Then? But you're if you're a

962
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:23,279
Speaker 1: top dog at one thirty five, shekor is a top

963
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:25,719
Speaker 1: dog at one thirty five, why would you take that fight?

964
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:27,640
Speaker 1: And after court? If you could fight a way to

965
00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:29,640
Speaker 1: win that fight, Devin Hanny is gonna be out there.

966
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:32,040
Speaker 1: I would go chase Steven Hanny and the undisputed championship

967
00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:34,640
Speaker 1: at one thirty five. There you go, that makes more sense, Davin.

968
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:37,080
Speaker 1: Devin Haydy has been clipped and we know how he reacts.

969
00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:39,360
Speaker 1: You know, we've seen him rock by Lenards. Tank is

970
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:42,200
Speaker 1: a bigger punch of Leonards. He's more explosive, and he's

971
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:45,720
Speaker 1: a naturally bigger fighter. So uh yeah, at this point,

972
00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:49,040
Speaker 1: if Tanks not fighting garcias, how much of this to

973
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:50,759
Speaker 1: you're a fighter? How much does you put on the fighter?

974
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 1: Like we're sitting here talking about what a great pathway

975
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:56,439
Speaker 1: it is to fight those three guys you make make

976
00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:58,160
Speaker 1: a ton of money. Could you make a ton of

977
00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:01,000
Speaker 1: money doing those fights? Those our pay per view time fights?

978
00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:04,600
Speaker 1: You answered your own question the money. That's why the

979
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:07,520
Speaker 1: fact that it listen to me, man, you're asking me,

980
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:10,920
Speaker 1: you're giving my opinion. Look, man, we grow up from nothing.

981
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:13,000
Speaker 1: I I came from East l A. He's he h

982
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:16,120
Speaker 1: Tank Davis from Baltimore. We had nothing, the gangs of drugs.

983
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:19,440
Speaker 1: When you start making seven figures a fight, when you

984
00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:21,319
Speaker 1: start making that kind of money, when you go from

985
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:23,920
Speaker 1: insufficient funds to seven figures and he's making a lot

986
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:27,280
Speaker 1: more than I ever did. Come on, man, whatever you're doing,

987
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:29,640
Speaker 1: if it ain't broke, don't fix it. And guess what

988
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:32,359
Speaker 1: it's not broken? May where the promotions is moving them? Well,

989
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:35,800
Speaker 1: they're all, you know, getting some money off that pot.

990
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:38,200
Speaker 1: Why it ain't broke? Don't think? Okay, But you then

991
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:41,319
Speaker 1: can't sit there and your promoters can't sit there and say, Tank,

992
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:43,160
Speaker 1: it should be on the pound for pound list. And

993
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:45,360
Speaker 1: that's why me and you never include them in that

994
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:48,319
Speaker 1: pound for poundless. That's what That's what me and you

995
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:50,799
Speaker 1: give Akin bur Rocks so much ship because we know

996
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:53,160
Speaker 1: that you know, they just don't call it like it is.

997
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:55,600
Speaker 1: They're not calling the spade of spade. I'm with you

998
00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:57,560
Speaker 1: on that, and I'm a big fan of Tank. I

999
00:50:57,600 --> 00:50:59,920
Speaker 1: love watching them fight. I order his pay per views

1000
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:03,160
Speaker 1: because I'm a fan. But I agree with you thin

1001
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:05,640
Speaker 1: resume at this point, almost twenty eight years old, and

1002
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:10,680
Speaker 1: you don't have a solid, undefeated championship name on your resumes.

1003
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:15,359
Speaker 1: And Jose Padraza, no, man, you deserve all the criticism. Alright,

1004
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:17,040
Speaker 1: A couple of questions I want to take from Instagram

1005
00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:20,120
Speaker 1: before we go. Marcos asked, are you starting to get

1006
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:24,120
Speaker 1: worried about Errol Spence versus Terrence Crawford. Sergio, we have

1007
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:27,800
Speaker 1: like credit good reporters, people I I know and respect,

1008
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:30,759
Speaker 1: have like over the course of the last month, month

1009
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:33,840
Speaker 1: and a half have written like this fight is so close.

1010
00:51:34,719 --> 00:51:36,960
Speaker 1: Several times. I'll tell you what I you know, I

1011
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:40,200
Speaker 1: have heard about this that there's still a lot of

1012
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:44,279
Speaker 1: optimism it gets done for November nineteen. There's still are

1013
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:47,880
Speaker 1: details in this fight contract that they're slogging through, but

1014
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:50,719
Speaker 1: they still believe it's gonna get done. But Sergio, six

1015
00:51:50,719 --> 00:51:53,600
Speaker 1: weeks six weeks away. At some point we are gonna

1016
00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:54,960
Speaker 1: have to stop saying, well, it's okay, you don't have

1017
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:56,319
Speaker 1: to promote the fight. You don't need that much time

1018
00:51:56,560 --> 00:52:00,640
Speaker 1: to promote the fight. Well, I mean, what is the mark, right?

1019
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:03,200
Speaker 1: Is it six weeks? Is it five weeks? Is it

1020
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:04,960
Speaker 1: four weeks? When do we start to panic about this

1021
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:07,960
Speaker 1: fight happening? I gave up on that fight. I wouldn't

1022
00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:09,439
Speaker 1: give up on it. I gave up on that fight

1023
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:12,279
Speaker 1: because you need eight weeks in camp. Eight weeks in

1024
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:14,399
Speaker 1: camp for that fight, I think. But you know this

1025
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:19,240
Speaker 1: is a fight, Okay, they're in cape in camp. Okay.

1026
00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:23,080
Speaker 1: The marketing machine needs a good five weeks, a good

1027
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:27,080
Speaker 1: five weeks of solid pumping that you know, commercials and

1028
00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:29,279
Speaker 1: and billboards and all that. So yeah, you need a

1029
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:31,600
Speaker 1: good five weeks to really make it a big event

1030
00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:35,120
Speaker 1: like that. But these guys, I mean, they're the best

1031
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:38,760
Speaker 1: of the best, and they're not really talking about fighting

1032
00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:40,759
Speaker 1: each other that they don't talk about each other's names,

1033
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:43,120
Speaker 1: they don't they're not marketing it all. Well, I mean,

1034
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:47,360
Speaker 1: it's gonna be another version of Mayweather Pakia where that

1035
00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:51,399
Speaker 1: fight finally happened. It's gonna do great, but something's gonna

1036
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:55,400
Speaker 1: be missing one of them. It's something's gonna be missing.

1037
00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:57,799
Speaker 1: The inactivity is gonna kick in for one of them,

1038
00:52:58,040 --> 00:53:00,360
Speaker 1: an injury or something's gonna pop up. It's not going

1039
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:03,240
Speaker 1: to be the same, or maybe one guy got older,

1040
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:06,200
Speaker 1: you know, overnight. It's gonna be one of those fights

1041
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:09,040
Speaker 1: where it just happened a little bit too late, man,

1042
00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:13,240
Speaker 1: and it wasn't the same that that the the taste

1043
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:16,600
Speaker 1: already one bitter in my mouth for that fight. Even

1044
00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:18,160
Speaker 1: if it does happen at the end of this year,

1045
00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:20,360
Speaker 1: it's kind of just like you know you you would

1046
00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:21,759
Speaker 1: if it happens through the end of this year. It

1047
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:24,799
Speaker 1: happens to December, say not. No. Nine is still the target.

1048
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:27,719
Speaker 1: It's Christmas time, December. I'm thinking about Christmas, man, But

1049
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:29,400
Speaker 1: November nine, you're not all right, You're not a big

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Speaker 1: Thanksgiving guys, so relax, you're thinking about you you'd be interested,

1051
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:35,759
Speaker 1: you'd want to see that fight in mid November. I

1052
00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:39,560
Speaker 1: would say, I still believe I'm just putting putting it

1053
00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:42,319
Speaker 1: out there. I still believe that fight will happen in

1054
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:44,799
Speaker 1: November nineteenth, and you've but you've done the surgio. I

1055
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:47,399
Speaker 1: agree with the marketing part. I think, like, let's say

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00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:49,680
Speaker 1: this fight was gonna land, is gonna land on showtime

1057
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:51,560
Speaker 1: pay per view, which is most likely in this scenario.

1058
00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:55,880
Speaker 1: Um by not having it signed and sealed, you've blown

1059
00:53:56,000 --> 00:54:00,360
Speaker 1: like four weeks of college football advertising on c YES

1060
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:03,680
Speaker 1: to promote this fight and get people interested in remember

1061
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:05,560
Speaker 1: this fight. Now. Some some people might say it doesn't

1062
00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:06,960
Speaker 1: really matter until like the week of the fight, two

1063
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:08,360
Speaker 1: weeks for the week of the fight. I disagree. I

1064
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:11,240
Speaker 1: think you want to get it on people's brains sooner

1065
00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:16,440
Speaker 1: rather than later. But uh, I still think there's enough

1066
00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:20,840
Speaker 1: time for this fight to happen and be worth the

1067
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:25,160
Speaker 1: weight that we put into it these guys. Is gonna

1068
00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:27,800
Speaker 1: help because these guys need to be on talk shows.

1069
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:31,000
Speaker 1: They need to be commercials. Boxing is given up on

1070
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:33,920
Speaker 1: mainstream media. It drives me crazy, but it has not

1071
00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:37,560
Speaker 1: for megafights. Not for megafights like that, of course is

1072
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:41,000
Speaker 1: the last we're Cannello and Golofkin on. You know, talk

1073
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:45,440
Speaker 1: shows are doing things like that that wasn't mainstreams and

1074
00:54:45,719 --> 00:54:48,000
Speaker 1: the first two fights not for this one. This is

1075
00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:50,279
Speaker 1: what they already had name recognition, they already fought and

1076
00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:54,200
Speaker 1: people already knew. Telling you one of my biggest the

1077
00:54:54,239 --> 00:54:56,720
Speaker 1: one of things that irritates me the most about boxing

1078
00:54:56,760 --> 00:54:58,719
Speaker 1: promoting is that I think promoters have given up on

1079
00:54:58,760 --> 00:55:01,399
Speaker 1: mainstream media. I think the you know, you saw what

1080
00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:06,040
Speaker 1: impact mainstream media had on Taylor Serrano, Like Taylor Serrano

1081
00:55:06,080 --> 00:55:08,400
Speaker 1: was are on Good Morning America, like the week of

1082
00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:10,839
Speaker 1: the fight, They're on freaking Good Morning America. They're doing

1083
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:14,359
Speaker 1: all this mainstream media. New York Times, Washington Post. Hell,

1084
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:16,960
Speaker 1: I'll give myself a pop. Sports Illustrated did a big

1085
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:20,480
Speaker 1: spread on on the two women. Like that matters to

1086
00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:23,440
Speaker 1: to get casual fans interests. Why do you think I'm

1087
00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:26,040
Speaker 1: here talking to you. I spent sixteen weeks on national

1088
00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:30,560
Speaker 1: television on NBC Prime Time. It's correct. So yes, that matters.

1089
00:55:30,600 --> 00:55:33,399
Speaker 1: mainStreet matters because mom and pops needn't want to see

1090
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:36,719
Speaker 1: instead of just the boxing office Toronado's that's when you

1091
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:39,920
Speaker 1: become a crossover star when people that don't watch boxing

1092
00:55:40,120 --> 00:55:43,360
Speaker 1: are watching boxing events and fights like that will capture

1093
00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:46,320
Speaker 1: the imagination of non boxers, and if it's not happening,

1094
00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:48,839
Speaker 1: then it's just another one that's blown in the wind.

1095
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:51,200
Speaker 1: It's too bad. I think they should do you know,

1096
00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:52,840
Speaker 1: promoters should do more. I think actually top right, is

1097
00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:55,520
Speaker 1: a pretty good job with mainstream media, at least trying

1098
00:55:55,520 --> 00:55:57,400
Speaker 1: to tap into it to a degree. But for the

1099
00:55:57,440 --> 00:56:01,040
Speaker 1: most part, it just seems like in boxing were satisfied

1100
00:56:01,080 --> 00:56:04,239
Speaker 1: with just going after the people in our bubble and

1101
00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:06,719
Speaker 1: that that's fine to a certain degree. You want to

1102
00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:10,120
Speaker 1: appeal to the hardcore fans that have helped get you here,

1103
00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:12,200
Speaker 1: but you're not gonna grow the sport unless you're bringing

1104
00:56:12,239 --> 00:56:15,759
Speaker 1: casual fans in and making them uh real fans uh

1105
00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:19,320
Speaker 1: as well. Last question for you, uh, I had a

1106
00:56:19,320 --> 00:56:21,719
Speaker 1: couple of questions on this. Alexander Vostick. Do you see

1107
00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:24,640
Speaker 1: this is planning a comeback? The former light heavyweight champion

1108
00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:28,239
Speaker 1: used to train under Teddy Atlas. He lost kind of

1109
00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:30,520
Speaker 1: brutallyite to Archer Betterbef got beat up at the end

1110
00:56:30,520 --> 00:56:32,560
Speaker 1: of that fight, was there and he retired. I was

1111
00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:34,680
Speaker 1: wondering why he retired. Well, I mean, I think that

1112
00:56:34,719 --> 00:56:36,120
Speaker 1: was a pretty good beating he took from Better, but

1113
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:40,040
Speaker 1: it was one I know you think that Vosti has

1114
00:56:40,080 --> 00:56:44,200
Speaker 1: a future in the last division. Absolutely, that was a

1115
00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:48,960
Speaker 1: confusing retirement there reminded me of a Dmitri Pirog and

1116
00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:53,840
Speaker 1: Pirog retired undefeated, good name, undefeated, That's exactly what it

1117
00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:55,840
Speaker 1: reminded me of. Just one beating at the top of

1118
00:56:55,840 --> 00:56:58,320
Speaker 1: the list. Both of you as are champions to unify,

1119
00:56:58,520 --> 00:57:01,319
Speaker 1: you come up short, be mean, okay, but it's your

1120
00:57:01,320 --> 00:57:04,960
Speaker 1: first and then you retired. That blew my mind. And

1121
00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:08,880
Speaker 1: I'm not accustomed to that because boxers get to that

1122
00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:11,120
Speaker 1: point and that's when they start making real money. To

1123
00:57:11,239 --> 00:57:13,600
Speaker 1: leave all that money on the table when you made

1124
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:16,120
Speaker 1: all that effort to become a champion and build your name,

1125
00:57:16,720 --> 00:57:18,720
Speaker 1: it just doesn't make sense. So of course I think

1126
00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:22,040
Speaker 1: Bostick should come back and and left off where where

1127
00:57:22,040 --> 00:57:24,720
Speaker 1: you start, where he left off at And Bostick was

1128
00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:29,000
Speaker 1: the guy who knocked out Donna Stevenson took his title

1129
00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:31,440
Speaker 1: off him back in two thousand and eighteen, and then

1130
00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:34,040
Speaker 1: lost that fight two fights later to Archer Better but

1131
00:57:34,160 --> 00:57:36,520
Speaker 1: thirty five years old, so there's a bit of a

1132
00:57:36,560 --> 00:57:40,120
Speaker 1: shelf life on him. But he's a good enough boxer

1133
00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:41,360
Speaker 1: that I think you can get back to the mix

1134
00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:42,840
Speaker 1: if he takes two or three fights. I'm curious to

1135
00:57:42,840 --> 00:57:46,680
Speaker 1: see which promoter, if any shows interested him. Um, you

1136
00:57:46,680 --> 00:57:49,600
Speaker 1: can certainly see match Room, matt Room. You know you've

1137
00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:52,880
Speaker 1: got Joshua Boots out there with match Room. You've got

1138
00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:55,720
Speaker 1: Bevil still in the stable. That makes a lot of

1139
00:57:55,760 --> 00:57:58,880
Speaker 1: sense for for Boston. Can he decides to come back? Uh,

1140
00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:02,120
Speaker 1: your comeback will wait to hear about for a few weeks.

1141
00:58:02,440 --> 00:58:04,560
Speaker 1: It's gonna happen. You know what's gonna happen, right Listen, man,

1142
00:58:04,600 --> 00:58:07,200
Speaker 1: I've been pitching a bag like l a fitness. I've

1143
00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:10,640
Speaker 1: been in the gym for seven weeks and it's getting

1144
00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:12,560
Speaker 1: good to me. Mannix. I'm telling you right now, you're

1145
00:58:12,560 --> 00:58:14,560
Speaker 1: coming better. I'd better not get a call from one

1146
00:58:14,600 --> 00:58:17,919
Speaker 1: of these geeks in celebrity town and celebrity YouTubers, because

1147
00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:19,439
Speaker 1: I'll beat the hell out of any of these guys

1148
00:58:19,440 --> 00:58:21,680
Speaker 1: that calls my name out. You hear me, Jaul, when

1149
00:58:21,720 --> 00:58:29,720
Speaker 1: we come back. My conversation with Sebastian Fandura. Alright, football

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Speaker 1: of the NFL. Alright, Sebastian Fundura is here undefeated junior

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00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:54,120
Speaker 1: middleweight contender. On October eight, he will be back facing

1173
00:59:54,160 --> 00:59:57,760
Speaker 1: former title challenger Carlos Ocampo in southern California. That's a

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00:59:57,760 --> 01:00:01,120
Speaker 1: fight you can see on Showtime and the Towering Inferno

1175
01:00:01,400 --> 01:00:03,840
Speaker 1: joins me on the show. First of all, one of

1176
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Speaker 1: the best nicknames in all the boxing I think, like,

1177
01:00:06,800 --> 01:00:10,560
Speaker 1: tell me about where the nickname came from. My nickname

1178
01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:14,040
Speaker 1: came from a movie, but uh, it came from the

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01:00:14,080 --> 01:00:17,400
Speaker 1: idea of my promoter. Sampson quips, what did you think

1180
01:00:17,440 --> 01:00:21,960
Speaker 1: when he branded you that? I didn't I don't really

1181
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:24,080
Speaker 1: care for I was like, whatever, it's kind of making

1182
01:00:24,120 --> 01:00:26,440
Speaker 1: fun of me. But you know, later on in my

1183
01:00:26,520 --> 01:00:29,640
Speaker 1: career I figured out it did fit well because you know,

1184
01:00:29,760 --> 01:00:31,720
Speaker 1: the towing, because the height, and then the ferno, because

1185
01:00:31,720 --> 01:00:34,160
Speaker 1: the way we fight. You thought that would was like

1186
01:00:34,320 --> 01:00:37,400
Speaker 1: making fun of you in a way a little bit,

1187
01:00:37,440 --> 01:00:40,240
Speaker 1: a little bit. Sampson likes to joke a lot, so yeah,

1188
01:00:40,600 --> 01:00:42,360
Speaker 1: I took it. I took it as a took it

1189
01:00:42,400 --> 01:00:44,800
Speaker 1: an offense. He does like the joke a lot, that's

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01:00:44,800 --> 01:00:47,680
Speaker 1: for sure. Um, all right, scale of one to ten

1191
01:00:48,360 --> 01:00:52,160
Speaker 1: one being incredibly easy, tend being the hardest thing you

1192
01:00:52,200 --> 01:00:55,200
Speaker 1: have ever done. How difficult is it for you to

1193
01:00:55,320 --> 01:00:59,640
Speaker 1: make weight for every fight? One and so one that's

1194
01:00:59,640 --> 01:01:04,080
Speaker 1: the one that's incredible. It's not problem. That's that's wild man.

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01:01:04,200 --> 01:01:07,040
Speaker 1: You're six ft six and you're making one at a

1196
01:01:07,120 --> 01:01:12,200
Speaker 1: level of one that easy, that easy, fairly easy I'll

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01:01:12,240 --> 01:01:14,160
Speaker 1: have to do is to workout on fine, I'll be

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01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:18,200
Speaker 1: solid on my weight. So like a week or so

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01:01:18,400 --> 01:01:23,040
Speaker 1: before you're fighting, how close are you to um? Probably

1200
01:01:23,080 --> 01:01:25,000
Speaker 1: walking out like won six right now? Four pounds off,

1201
01:01:25,120 --> 01:01:29,840
Speaker 1: six pounds off five. Maybe if you had to squeeze

1202
01:01:29,840 --> 01:01:33,040
Speaker 1: down to welterweight again, could you do it? Of course

1203
01:01:33,640 --> 01:01:37,000
Speaker 1: of course? But right now I want to champ. I

1204
01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:39,280
Speaker 1: want to I want to take my chance and win

1205
01:01:39,320 --> 01:01:41,360
Speaker 1: about I want fifty four because that's how I even

1206
01:01:41,400 --> 01:01:45,040
Speaker 1: doing my career. Does I mean does it surprise you

1207
01:01:45,080 --> 01:01:48,360
Speaker 1: that it's that easy? I mean, for some athletes it's

1208
01:01:48,360 --> 01:01:51,000
Speaker 1: incredibly easy, right Like I work with Sergio Mora who

1209
01:01:51,040 --> 01:01:53,040
Speaker 1: tells me all the time, like I can't keep weight on.

1210
01:01:53,080 --> 01:01:55,600
Speaker 1: I can't keep weight on. I've been retired for five years.

1211
01:01:55,680 --> 01:01:58,720
Speaker 1: I'm like at one seventy five right now? Does it

1212
01:01:58,920 --> 01:02:00,760
Speaker 1: I mean, does it surprise you with all how easy

1213
01:02:00,800 --> 01:02:04,240
Speaker 1: it is to get down to I think it's just

1214
01:02:04,280 --> 01:02:07,400
Speaker 1: the metabolism, you know, and then they're training on top

1215
01:02:07,480 --> 01:02:10,280
Speaker 1: of that. You know, we're always sweating. But I'm gonnabolism

1216
01:02:10,320 --> 01:02:13,800
Speaker 1: is the priority fast, So that's uh, that's probably why

1217
01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:17,640
Speaker 1: so how much do you pay attention to your eating habits?

1218
01:02:17,880 --> 01:02:21,080
Speaker 1: You know, during a training camp. I eat healthy. I

1219
01:02:21,120 --> 01:02:24,520
Speaker 1: do eat healthy, but uh, I mean if I can't

1220
01:02:24,560 --> 01:02:27,400
Speaker 1: almost sneak in a couple of cheeseburgers, you know, if

1221
01:02:27,440 --> 01:02:30,040
Speaker 1: I can, of course, but like kind of getting close

1222
01:02:30,080 --> 01:02:33,080
Speaker 1: to the day to the fight day, eating more healthy

1223
01:02:33,200 --> 01:02:36,200
Speaker 1: and respecting my diet. I don't have a bad diet,

1224
01:02:36,320 --> 01:02:41,680
Speaker 1: but again it's more stripped. So the friday before away

1225
01:02:41,720 --> 01:02:44,640
Speaker 1: and like, how are you feeling before? Are you eating

1226
01:02:44,680 --> 01:02:47,240
Speaker 1: the night before? Are you eating that morning? How are

1227
01:02:47,280 --> 01:02:50,640
Speaker 1: you what are you doing before the way in? Of course, yeah,

1228
01:02:50,720 --> 01:02:53,040
Speaker 1: we eat what wet dinner, what we dinner the night before,

1229
01:02:53,200 --> 01:02:56,800
Speaker 1: but maybe cut that breakfast because you know, the breakfast

1230
01:02:56,800 --> 01:02:58,840
Speaker 1: is so close to the way in. But other than that,

1231
01:02:58,880 --> 01:03:02,000
Speaker 1: we'll well, we'll be eating a whole day until the way.

1232
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Speaker 1: Anyone that's ever tried to lose weight in their life

1233
01:03:04,800 --> 01:03:08,440
Speaker 1: hates you right now listening. Yeah, everybody's always asking me,

1234
01:03:08,640 --> 01:03:11,280
Speaker 1: are you feeling you're hungry? How are you hungry? Now?

1235
01:03:11,320 --> 01:03:14,439
Speaker 1: I'm fine, I'm fine. I'm smiling though always, so it's

1236
01:03:14,520 --> 01:03:17,280
Speaker 1: it's I'm fine. I mean, you must look across at

1237
01:03:17,960 --> 01:03:20,800
Speaker 1: fighters during the weigh ins. You know, guys are smaller

1238
01:03:20,800 --> 01:03:23,800
Speaker 1: than you, and then you can probably tell when they're dry,

1239
01:03:23,840 --> 01:03:28,000
Speaker 1: when they've been kind of starving themselves down. Definitely, definitely

1240
01:03:28,160 --> 01:03:31,040
Speaker 1: you can tell boxers U hungry when he has that

1241
01:03:31,080 --> 01:03:33,720
Speaker 1: hoodie on his head down or has the headphones on

1242
01:03:34,160 --> 01:03:36,680
Speaker 1: and you you are the sunglasses as well. You know

1243
01:03:37,160 --> 01:03:39,400
Speaker 1: they don't want to be talked to. So I did

1244
01:03:39,400 --> 01:03:42,440
Speaker 1: ask you about welter weight, like, what's the lowest way

1245
01:03:42,440 --> 01:03:44,880
Speaker 1: you think you could possibly get to without killing yourself?

1246
01:03:46,720 --> 01:03:48,480
Speaker 1: I think well to weight, you know, I never I

1247
01:03:48,520 --> 01:03:51,040
Speaker 1: would never want to squeeze anything lower than that, you know,

1248
01:03:51,520 --> 01:03:54,200
Speaker 1: that's uh. I feel like I will to wait, we'll

1249
01:03:54,200 --> 01:03:57,200
Speaker 1: be squeezing a little bit, and in my in my

1250
01:03:57,320 --> 01:04:00,800
Speaker 1: theory that that's unhealthy. You know. Yeah, did you watch

1251
01:04:01,120 --> 01:04:03,480
Speaker 1: Paul Williams coming up? You know another guy that was

1252
01:04:03,520 --> 01:04:08,000
Speaker 1: a really really tall welter in one. Unfortunately, the only

1253
01:04:08,000 --> 01:04:11,920
Speaker 1: five scene against UH with him is when m Martini.

1254
01:04:12,000 --> 01:04:14,560
Speaker 1: I knew you're gonna say that. I mean, I hadn't

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Speaker 1: see that one. You gotta go back and watch the

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Speaker 1: Margharito one Sebastia. That was the great Paul Williams and

1257
01:04:21,320 --> 01:04:24,200
Speaker 1: Margharita was so scary, and Paul Williams went out there

1258
01:04:24,200 --> 01:04:26,840
Speaker 1: and just dominated him from start to finish. The Martinez

1259
01:04:26,920 --> 01:04:28,680
Speaker 1: one I was at that one Atlantic city that didn't

1260
01:04:28,680 --> 01:04:31,960
Speaker 1: go so well for Yeah, definitely not all that night.

1261
01:04:32,480 --> 01:04:36,320
Speaker 1: Um so you're twenty four years old. Now, when did

1262
01:04:36,400 --> 01:04:41,800
Speaker 1: your kind of first growth spurt really start? Um? I

1263
01:04:41,880 --> 01:04:45,760
Speaker 1: think thirteen. I was like five five, five six, and

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01:04:45,880 --> 01:04:47,240
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden I grew up to like

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01:04:47,360 --> 01:04:51,360
Speaker 1: six six. Were you an athlete at that point? I mean,

1266
01:04:51,400 --> 01:04:54,000
Speaker 1: I know your parents were boxers, it runs in the family.

1267
01:04:54,120 --> 01:04:58,120
Speaker 1: But were you playing other sports around then? No? Only boxing.

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01:04:58,600 --> 01:05:02,480
Speaker 1: I was on doing boxing this whole time, so it

1269
01:05:02,560 --> 01:05:04,560
Speaker 1: was cool. It was pretty cool tellering everybody else told

1270
01:05:04,560 --> 01:05:07,240
Speaker 1: them the teachers already, so you know when they when

1271
01:05:07,240 --> 01:05:08,920
Speaker 1: I would get in trouble, they would probably look up

1272
01:05:08,920 --> 01:05:11,840
Speaker 1: to me and and and nag me From that way.

1273
01:05:12,600 --> 01:05:15,640
Speaker 1: You but you must have had a basketball coach come

1274
01:05:15,680 --> 01:05:17,840
Speaker 1: up to you and be like, let's go, let's put

1275
01:05:18,680 --> 01:05:22,640
Speaker 1: every school, every school I went to, middle school, high school.

1276
01:05:22,800 --> 01:05:26,000
Speaker 1: They always always told me so. But you know, I

1277
01:05:26,360 --> 01:05:29,480
Speaker 1: never really cared for the supports, so you know, so

1278
01:05:29,560 --> 01:05:31,680
Speaker 1: you never even wanted to try it. Never you wanted

1279
01:05:31,720 --> 01:05:34,800
Speaker 1: to go in that direction. And I really I came

1280
01:05:34,840 --> 01:05:38,880
Speaker 1: and dribble basketball. So what was it about boxing them?

1281
01:05:38,920 --> 01:05:41,640
Speaker 1: But I mean, was it just that your your father

1282
01:05:41,800 --> 01:05:44,360
Speaker 1: did it, your mother did it. Obviously your siblings are

1283
01:05:44,400 --> 01:05:46,640
Speaker 1: involved in it. Was it just that it's the family business.

1284
01:05:48,440 --> 01:05:50,439
Speaker 1: Well I saw that they're having fun with it, they're

1285
01:05:50,480 --> 01:05:51,760
Speaker 1: having fun with it, and I was like, well, I

1286
01:05:51,840 --> 01:05:53,920
Speaker 1: want to try. I want to do something fun as well.

1287
01:05:54,000 --> 01:05:56,640
Speaker 1: So it's uh, that's how that's how it all started,

1288
01:05:56,680 --> 01:05:59,360
Speaker 1: you know, watching them do it. Wanted to be like them,

1289
01:05:59,440 --> 01:06:01,320
Speaker 1: and you look up to them, you want to get

1290
01:06:01,520 --> 01:06:05,040
Speaker 1: them as well. So uh, that's what came from it,

1291
01:06:05,240 --> 01:06:07,600
Speaker 1: you know. And then I started enjoying myself. I started winning.

1292
01:06:07,720 --> 01:06:11,040
Speaker 1: You know. Um, I, like thirteen fourteen already knew I

1293
01:06:11,080 --> 01:06:14,400
Speaker 1: wanted to do it as a career. And but we

1294
01:06:14,520 --> 01:06:16,480
Speaker 1: just continue to do it. And then and this is

1295
01:06:16,520 --> 01:06:19,560
Speaker 1: what came out of it. How good were your parents

1296
01:06:19,880 --> 01:06:23,840
Speaker 1: in the boxing ranks? Well, my mother only completed amateur.

1297
01:06:24,640 --> 01:06:27,880
Speaker 1: She had a couple of fights amateur. She wanted every

1298
01:06:27,960 --> 01:06:31,000
Speaker 1: fight though, I'll tell you that. And then uh, my

1299
01:06:31,200 --> 01:06:34,680
Speaker 1: father he got to the professionals. But then he had

1300
01:06:34,720 --> 01:06:37,920
Speaker 1: my son and my my older brother. So that's I

1301
01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:39,680
Speaker 1: think the reiled a little bit of his career, but

1302
01:06:40,360 --> 01:06:44,120
Speaker 1: he was also very talented from I remember what your

1303
01:06:44,160 --> 01:06:50,720
Speaker 1: mother must love. The way women's boxing is taking off now, yeah,

1304
01:06:50,960 --> 01:06:53,400
Speaker 1: well I think that's only because of my sister. So

1305
01:06:54,280 --> 01:06:58,440
Speaker 1: my sisters, Okay, the new generation of of female fighters

1306
01:06:58,480 --> 01:07:02,760
Speaker 1: that that all are starting young as well, and and

1307
01:07:03,160 --> 01:07:05,520
Speaker 1: not saying taking the sports seriously, but but like they're

1308
01:07:05,600 --> 01:07:09,280
Speaker 1: really they really want to to push the female agenda

1309
01:07:09,400 --> 01:07:12,720
Speaker 1: boxing and let them fight on these bigger outbits and

1310
01:07:12,880 --> 01:07:16,040
Speaker 1: and make more more names for themselves. You know, So

1311
01:07:16,160 --> 01:07:18,960
Speaker 1: did your did your parents want you to be in boxing,

1312
01:07:19,080 --> 01:07:21,800
Speaker 1: because a lot of boxers don't want their kids to

1313
01:07:21,880 --> 01:07:23,520
Speaker 1: be involved. They know how hard it is hard that

1314
01:07:23,680 --> 01:07:26,960
Speaker 1: road is to get to the top. No, I don't

1315
01:07:26,960 --> 01:07:29,240
Speaker 1: think they ever had a problem with that. You know, again,

1316
01:07:29,280 --> 01:07:32,840
Speaker 1: it's like a family affair. Everybody doing it. Why not

1317
01:07:32,960 --> 01:07:34,680
Speaker 1: do yourself? You know, why not try it out? They're

1318
01:07:34,720 --> 01:07:36,280
Speaker 1: more of like, try it out if you like it.

1319
01:07:36,400 --> 01:07:37,920
Speaker 1: If you don't like it, you know, it's up to you.

1320
01:07:39,000 --> 01:07:41,840
Speaker 1: The um you mentioned, like you said, you're around thirteen

1321
01:07:41,880 --> 01:07:44,240
Speaker 1: and oh at that point of thirteen years old four whatever,

1322
01:07:44,440 --> 01:07:47,720
Speaker 1: When did you start to realize. Yeah, I was thirteen

1323
01:07:47,880 --> 01:07:50,760
Speaker 1: years old when I realized I want to becompression professional.

1324
01:07:50,840 --> 01:07:54,320
Speaker 1: Well at thirteen or how long, they're like five five

1325
01:07:54,400 --> 01:07:58,240
Speaker 1: years into boxing already, and uh we're doing good. We're

1326
01:07:58,280 --> 01:08:00,360
Speaker 1: doing good, and and we're getting better her We were

1327
01:08:00,360 --> 01:08:03,600
Speaker 1: always improving without with every year, and I was like, well,

1328
01:08:03,600 --> 01:08:05,840
Speaker 1: if this continues, you know, why not make some money

1329
01:08:05,840 --> 01:08:08,480
Speaker 1: out of it. It's something I love already, you know.

1330
01:08:08,880 --> 01:08:12,080
Speaker 1: So it's like when you're a little kid and so

1331
01:08:12,240 --> 01:08:13,840
Speaker 1: you love dinosaurs or whatever, you want to be a

1332
01:08:13,880 --> 01:08:17,040
Speaker 1: paleontologist later on because it's like I love this and

1333
01:08:17,080 --> 01:08:20,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get paid for it. Why not? Did um?

1334
01:08:20,360 --> 01:08:23,120
Speaker 1: Did something happen? Did you an't win a tournament that

1335
01:08:23,200 --> 01:08:25,160
Speaker 1: gave you that kind of confidence boost? Was it a

1336
01:08:25,200 --> 01:08:27,400
Speaker 1: string of winds? What was it that kind of triggered

1337
01:08:27,479 --> 01:08:29,800
Speaker 1: that feeling in you that you could do this you

1338
01:08:29,880 --> 01:08:33,080
Speaker 1: know full time? Yeah, just like a string of wins,

1339
01:08:33,120 --> 01:08:37,120
Speaker 1: probably continuing to win, continue to get better, We're getting stronger,

1340
01:08:37,160 --> 01:08:39,080
Speaker 1: we're getting to all or all these things, all these

1341
01:08:39,200 --> 01:08:42,880
Speaker 1: uh nice little advantages that we're getting too as well.

1342
01:08:43,080 --> 01:08:46,080
Speaker 1: So it's just, uh, you know, we had a lot

1343
01:08:46,160 --> 01:08:48,200
Speaker 1: of fans and the amateurs as well. So it's like

1344
01:08:48,680 --> 01:08:51,400
Speaker 1: to bring it to professionals, like this will probably gonna

1345
01:08:51,400 --> 01:08:53,640
Speaker 1: be not that it's easy, but like it's gonna be

1346
01:08:54,320 --> 01:08:56,560
Speaker 1: a little bit more easier than the usual. You know,

1347
01:08:57,320 --> 01:09:01,120
Speaker 1: when you're fighting at a weight class where you're so

1348
01:09:01,280 --> 01:09:04,800
Speaker 1: much taller than almost all or all of your opponents, Like,

1349
01:09:04,920 --> 01:09:08,759
Speaker 1: what's the key to being successful? Is it having superior footwork?

1350
01:09:08,920 --> 01:09:11,800
Speaker 1: Is it operating behind you know that eight in reach

1351
01:09:11,960 --> 01:09:15,040
Speaker 1: of yours? What's the key to being successful with with

1352
01:09:15,160 --> 01:09:19,040
Speaker 1: that kind of height advantage? I think, Uh, it depends

1353
01:09:19,080 --> 01:09:22,280
Speaker 1: on how you're gonna fight, depends on your fight. Um,

1354
01:09:22,400 --> 01:09:24,400
Speaker 1: I do use my reach a lot of times. I'm

1355
01:09:24,400 --> 01:09:26,560
Speaker 1: in the I'm in the mix and inside. It's just

1356
01:09:26,680 --> 01:09:29,519
Speaker 1: how being confident and what you're doing, you know, whether

1357
01:09:29,560 --> 01:09:32,920
Speaker 1: it's the inside or the outside. What's is there a

1358
01:09:33,040 --> 01:09:37,880
Speaker 1: particularly difficult type of fighter or opponent that you know

1359
01:09:37,960 --> 01:09:40,040
Speaker 1: when you have that kind of height, it's just difficult

1360
01:09:40,080 --> 01:09:41,920
Speaker 1: to fight against, whether it's a much smaller guy or

1361
01:09:41,960 --> 01:09:44,640
Speaker 1: a nimble guy or what's what's the most difficult kind

1362
01:09:44,640 --> 01:09:50,120
Speaker 1: of opponent for you? Um? Sure, yeah, I don't. I

1363
01:09:50,160 --> 01:09:53,599
Speaker 1: don't really have a difficult opponent. It's just how I'm

1364
01:09:53,600 --> 01:09:56,720
Speaker 1: going to fight that fight? How what'stal when they used

1365
01:09:56,720 --> 01:10:00,160
Speaker 1: to win the fight? For you? What's what's happened for

1366
01:10:00,240 --> 01:10:02,559
Speaker 1: you the last few years? Because I watched you coming

1367
01:10:02,640 --> 01:10:05,519
Speaker 1: up the pro ranks. I remember watching the draw that

1368
01:10:05,680 --> 01:10:08,400
Speaker 1: you had back in two thousand nineteen. You're obviously good,

1369
01:10:08,520 --> 01:10:10,920
Speaker 1: but you know after watching that fight in some fights

1370
01:10:11,000 --> 01:10:13,120
Speaker 1: for like, I don't know where this guy is gonna go.

1371
01:10:13,760 --> 01:10:16,120
Speaker 1: And then in the last year or so, you know,

1372
01:10:16,240 --> 01:10:19,800
Speaker 1: you've showcased incredible power. That win over ericson Lubin was

1373
01:10:20,400 --> 01:10:22,719
Speaker 1: as impressive as they get, one of the best fights

1374
01:10:23,320 --> 01:10:25,560
Speaker 1: that we've seen in the year. Like, what's changed for

1375
01:10:25,640 --> 01:10:29,599
Speaker 1: you the last couple of years, if anything? Mature? We're

1376
01:10:29,640 --> 01:10:32,439
Speaker 1: still twenty years old when we fun Clark. You know,

1377
01:10:32,760 --> 01:10:34,640
Speaker 1: I still think I won that fight, of course, but

1378
01:10:34,800 --> 01:10:37,679
Speaker 1: we were still young. You know a lot of these

1379
01:10:38,040 --> 01:10:40,160
Speaker 1: kids that fight at twenty years old, they're they're still

1380
01:10:40,240 --> 01:10:43,280
Speaker 1: fighting people oh in three or one in three, barely

1381
01:10:43,320 --> 01:10:47,040
Speaker 1: having any fights, barely fighting a six rounder. And we

1382
01:10:47,120 --> 01:10:49,360
Speaker 1: were already fighting a ten rounder. So we're growing when

1383
01:10:49,400 --> 01:10:52,400
Speaker 1: we're chatting more. For now, we're ready to fight for

1384
01:10:52,439 --> 01:10:56,479
Speaker 1: a title. Um, everything's lining up now. You mentioned your

1385
01:10:56,560 --> 01:10:59,800
Speaker 1: sister is a pro boxer. She's fighting on this car

1386
01:11:00,320 --> 01:11:03,000
Speaker 1: as well. Uh do you like that? Does it give

1387
01:11:03,040 --> 01:11:04,840
Speaker 1: you something else to worry about? How do you feel

1388
01:11:04,840 --> 01:11:08,280
Speaker 1: about having your sister fight in your card? I'm excited.

1389
01:11:08,320 --> 01:11:10,680
Speaker 1: I'm excited. You know she works every camp with me.

1390
01:11:11,160 --> 01:11:13,120
Speaker 1: You know she's working just as hard. So for her

1391
01:11:13,160 --> 01:11:15,360
Speaker 1: to have these platform to fight on it it's something

1392
01:11:15,439 --> 01:11:19,000
Speaker 1: she deserves. How does it work there? Do you watch

1393
01:11:19,080 --> 01:11:21,639
Speaker 1: her fight beforehand? Do you have to focus on yours?

1394
01:11:21,680 --> 01:11:24,320
Speaker 1: How is that gonna work for you? I could do both.

1395
01:11:24,520 --> 01:11:26,160
Speaker 1: I could do both. Of course. I want to see it.

1396
01:11:26,400 --> 01:11:28,280
Speaker 1: I want to see her fight. It's like watching a

1397
01:11:28,360 --> 01:11:30,960
Speaker 1: good movie and then not seeing the ending. I have

1398
01:11:31,080 --> 01:11:33,479
Speaker 1: to see the ending. I can understand that. I think

1399
01:11:33,479 --> 01:11:37,600
Speaker 1: it'd be impossible to to to not watch at that point. Um,

1400
01:11:37,920 --> 01:11:40,920
Speaker 1: you are the interim titler holder at one fifty the

1401
01:11:41,080 --> 01:11:43,400
Speaker 1: w b C belt. Obviously Jamal Charlo has all the

1402
01:11:43,439 --> 01:11:46,800
Speaker 1: titles at do you? I mean, do you think he's

1403
01:11:46,840 --> 01:11:50,479
Speaker 1: ever going to fight you? Are you anticipating fighting for

1404
01:11:50,520 --> 01:11:53,360
Speaker 1: a vacant belt someday? Will you wait for a world

1405
01:11:53,400 --> 01:11:55,479
Speaker 1: title shot or go up to one sixty? What's kind

1406
01:11:55,520 --> 01:11:59,000
Speaker 1: of your plan over the next year. Well, we'll see

1407
01:11:59,040 --> 01:12:01,320
Speaker 1: what he does after this fight, but hopefully we do

1408
01:12:01,439 --> 01:12:05,160
Speaker 1: get to fight with him, you know. Um, but I'm

1409
01:12:05,200 --> 01:12:09,040
Speaker 1: not him because there's the business part of boxing. Um,

1410
01:12:09,640 --> 01:12:11,760
Speaker 1: but we do want to fight him because he's right now,

1411
01:12:11,840 --> 01:12:14,519
Speaker 1: he's considered the best one fifty four and uh, I'd

1412
01:12:14,560 --> 01:12:17,680
Speaker 1: like to have that title for myself. If you were him,

1413
01:12:18,000 --> 01:12:20,960
Speaker 1: would you fight him? Would you fight you? I should say,

1414
01:12:23,400 --> 01:12:27,320
Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, you know, uh, six or six

1415
01:12:27,360 --> 01:12:29,840
Speaker 1: guys pretty pretty pretty crazy in the week class, but

1416
01:12:30,320 --> 01:12:34,719
Speaker 1: you know, but mom entirely yeah, I like to fire everybody.

1417
01:12:35,080 --> 01:12:37,400
Speaker 1: M All right, Sebastian, I want to hit you with

1418
01:12:37,800 --> 01:12:40,840
Speaker 1: some rapid fire questions for a new segment on the

1419
01:12:40,880 --> 01:12:43,439
Speaker 1: show that we are calling the Standing eight Count. And

1420
01:12:43,520 --> 01:12:48,559
Speaker 1: the first question is the greatest fighter of all time is? Who? Oh?

1421
01:12:49,160 --> 01:12:52,360
Speaker 1: Maybe there's always gonna be the best? Um, the one

1422
01:12:52,680 --> 01:12:56,479
Speaker 1: in ring weapon that another fighter has that you wish

1423
01:12:56,560 --> 01:13:01,400
Speaker 1: you had in your arsenal And well, there's right hand.

1424
01:13:03,080 --> 01:13:05,400
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. If you had wild there's right hand.

1425
01:13:05,680 --> 01:13:08,479
Speaker 1: At junior middleweight, nobody would ever want to fight. You'd

1426
01:13:08,479 --> 01:13:11,599
Speaker 1: have to force everybody. Oh no, uh, if you could

1427
01:13:11,640 --> 01:13:16,960
Speaker 1: fight anyone from a previous generation. Who would it be? Um?

1428
01:13:17,160 --> 01:13:20,400
Speaker 1: A lot of people UM like to compare to Tommy Hearns.

1429
01:13:20,600 --> 01:13:22,240
Speaker 1: I think that would be a great fight. Oh man,

1430
01:13:22,320 --> 01:13:25,559
Speaker 1: that's a great answer. You and Tommy Hearns at would

1431
01:13:25,560 --> 01:13:29,960
Speaker 1: be unbelievable. Um. When your career is over, you will

1432
01:13:30,000 --> 01:13:34,639
Speaker 1: have one titles and how many weight classes? Um, we'll

1433
01:13:34,640 --> 01:13:37,439
Speaker 1: see how much, Um, God will let me move up?

1434
01:13:37,600 --> 01:13:40,320
Speaker 1: You know, maybe I'll never move this weight class. Have

1435
01:13:40,439 --> 01:13:42,639
Speaker 1: the same problem that Sergio. So you know, let's see

1436
01:13:44,000 --> 01:13:45,720
Speaker 1: Sergio is out there trying to fight Jake Paul, So

1437
01:13:45,760 --> 01:13:49,680
Speaker 1: don't try to be like Sergio. Okay, that's right. UM,

1438
01:13:50,520 --> 01:13:55,720
Speaker 1: Prime andre Ward versus Prime Canelo Alvarez, who wins? UM?

1439
01:13:56,600 --> 01:13:59,880
Speaker 1: I have under Ward under words, very very smart, great defense.

1440
01:14:00,120 --> 01:14:03,360
Speaker 1: That's what makes him so tough to If you could

1441
01:14:03,400 --> 01:14:08,720
Speaker 1: fight in one arena anywhere where would it be? Um?

1442
01:14:09,680 --> 01:14:11,479
Speaker 1: I've been fighting in my dream arena, the Ray, So

1443
01:14:11,520 --> 01:14:16,080
Speaker 1: I'll probably find Staples again. You know. California, California. I

1444
01:14:16,120 --> 01:14:19,120
Speaker 1: love California all right. Last two. The best part of

1445
01:14:19,240 --> 01:14:25,280
Speaker 1: being six ft six is what, UM, I don't know.

1446
01:14:25,439 --> 01:14:27,519
Speaker 1: I'm I can see it. Everybody's top of their heads,

1447
01:14:27,640 --> 01:14:31,920
Speaker 1: you know, and the worst part of being six ft

1448
01:14:31,960 --> 01:14:37,320
Speaker 1: six is what Sometimes I don't fit in doorways. I

1449
01:14:37,360 --> 01:14:39,400
Speaker 1: would have thought airplanes. I mean, I'm six three and

1450
01:14:39,439 --> 01:14:43,479
Speaker 1: I hate flying airplanes. That's equally as bad. I completely

1451
01:14:43,479 --> 01:14:46,920
Speaker 1: forgot that that's equally is bad. What's Sebashi? Good to

1452
01:14:46,960 --> 01:14:48,960
Speaker 1: talk to you man, good luck on October eighth, and

1453
01:14:49,040 --> 01:14:52,280
Speaker 1: hopefully when we see you in those world title fights

1454
01:14:52,280 --> 01:14:54,560
Speaker 1: you're looking for. Good to talk to you. Thank you

1455
01:14:54,600 --> 01:14:57,000
Speaker 1: for having me. That's it for this week's episode. My

1456
01:14:57,120 --> 01:14:59,880
Speaker 1: thanks to Sergio Mora and Sebastian Fedor for joined the

1457
01:15:00,360 --> 01:15:04,839
Speaker 1: As always, subscribe, rate review this podcast on Apple Podcasts, Spotify,

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01:15:05,080 --> 01:15:07,800
Speaker 1: wherever you download podcasts, and I'll see you next week