WEBVTT - BONUS: The Music 0:00:01.920 --> 0:00:05.680 From Vice and I heart this is authentic. I'm Dexon 0:00:05.760 --> 0:00:08.879 Thomas and this is the first of two bonus episodes 0:00:12.880 --> 0:00:34.080 FIP hop. So today we're gonna do something a little 0:00:34.120 --> 0:00:37.200 bit different. We're gonna do kind of a two version 0:00:37.320 --> 0:00:40.920 of the round Table discussion, meaning that we can't actually 0:00:40.960 --> 0:00:43.360 physically be around the round table, but we're gonna have 0:00:43.560 --> 0:00:48.040 digitally me Tableau and Kyle, who is our composer and 0:00:48.080 --> 0:00:50.760 sound engineer, and so yeah, I wanted to get us 0:00:50.800 --> 0:00:53.400 together just to talk about the thing that's really at 0:00:53.400 --> 0:00:57.240 the center of the series, which is music. So tab Lou, 0:00:57.280 --> 0:00:59.960 we got you beaming in from your home in South Korea. 0:01:00.600 --> 0:01:04.800 Tell was good to talk to you again, Hey guys. Yeah, yeah, 0:01:04.920 --> 0:01:08.679 and we got, of course Kyle Murdock here, So Tableau, 0:01:08.720 --> 0:01:11.360 I got to introduce you to Kyle Um. He's a 0:01:11.360 --> 0:01:14.000 man behind the curtain. He's the sound designer, the sound 0:01:14.040 --> 0:01:17.600 engineer for Vice Audio, and he actually fully composed all 0:01:17.640 --> 0:01:20.399 the music for the entire series, including the theme song. 0:01:20.920 --> 0:01:23.199 So I want to talk about that in a little 0:01:23.240 --> 0:01:25.760 bit Um. But also Kyle is also a DJ and 0:01:25.760 --> 0:01:27.959 a producer in his own right, and back in the 0:01:28.040 --> 0:01:30.600 day he was signed to Rockets records with your group Pantasy, 0:01:30.680 --> 0:01:34.240 Is that right, Rockets? Right? Yeah? Yeah, oh damn yeah, 0:01:34.840 --> 0:01:41.920 I've heard your stuff. Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah, really anything 0:01:41.959 --> 0:01:47.280 from Rockets I've I've heard, okay. Yeah, this is what okay, 0:01:47.319 --> 0:01:49.360 And this is why I wanted to introduce you to 0:01:49.680 --> 0:01:52.320 Right because you know, one of the big things that 0:01:52.400 --> 0:01:55.000 brought us together is this really you know, deep and 0:01:55.040 --> 0:01:58.840 I think important story. But the thing that really, you know, 0:01:58.880 --> 0:02:01.360 taboo you and I brought us together fundamentally in the 0:02:01.400 --> 0:02:05.360 background is music. Right. It's hip hop when we would 0:02:05.360 --> 0:02:07.160 not have been having any of this conversation, but it 0:02:07.240 --> 0:02:10.440 wasn't for that. And you know, even in the last 0:02:10.800 --> 0:02:12.600 you know, a few months since we talked, Tableau, I 0:02:12.639 --> 0:02:15.520 know a bunch has changed since we last met. You 0:02:15.560 --> 0:02:19.640 released a whole album, which when we were talking it 0:02:19.720 --> 0:02:22.600 was I think it was the track list was written 0:02:23.280 --> 0:02:25.800 in in dry race marker on the door. You were 0:02:25.800 --> 0:02:29.480 still trying to figure out the order. So that's out now, 0:02:29.880 --> 0:02:32.440 and um and Kyle, you know, we we put together 0:02:32.480 --> 0:02:35.040 the series and really put on all this work to 0:02:35.080 --> 0:02:39.040 make it kind of sound cohesive. So one thing that 0:02:39.080 --> 0:02:41.079 I think a lot about with with music right is 0:02:41.200 --> 0:02:44.800 it's something we've lost with streaming, which is, you know, 0:02:44.840 --> 0:02:47.440 streaming is great, but being able to go to somebody's 0:02:47.480 --> 0:02:49.799 house and look at their CD collection or you know, 0:02:49.840 --> 0:02:53.160 the iTunes collection just say okay, I get it. I 0:02:53.200 --> 0:02:55.640 have a pretty good idea of who who this person is, 0:02:55.639 --> 0:02:58.920 where their background is so tableau. If you were to 0:02:59.040 --> 0:03:01.880 narrow it down just two or three, what would be 0:03:01.960 --> 0:03:05.720 the records that made you you? You know what, what 0:03:05.880 --> 0:03:11.600 turned young Dan Lee into tableau? I think Nirvana's never 0:03:11.680 --> 0:03:19.120 Mind mm hmm uh and also Teller Quality, most de 0:03:20.040 --> 0:03:28.720 Black Star album okay uh. And I hate to leave 0:03:28.960 --> 0:03:31.440 Illmatic out of it, but I think I'm gonna have 0:03:31.480 --> 0:03:35.920 to go with Snoop Dogg. Really yeah, his first album, 0:03:36.000 --> 0:03:41.480 Doggy Style. Why that is? That is pretty eclectic? Yeah? 0:03:41.640 --> 0:03:43.560 Dog Style? Like I could have guessed by listening to 0:03:43.560 --> 0:03:45.880 your first record, I wouldn't have guessed Nirvana. I wouldn't 0:03:45.880 --> 0:03:50.080 have guessed never Mind. Really, I was really into um, Nirvana, 0:03:50.280 --> 0:03:59.160 Smashing Pumpkins. I've always loved hip hop and rock, and 0:03:59.560 --> 0:04:03.760 it's sort of represents who I became when I was 0:04:03.800 --> 0:04:06.200 listening to the to the albums that I just mentioned, 0:04:06.520 --> 0:04:09.680 I think that's sort of where I I was becoming 0:04:09.800 --> 0:04:13.160 who I was supposed to be. I felt very at 0:04:13.200 --> 0:04:18.320 home with those records. Kyle, what about you. Let's see 0:04:18.839 --> 0:04:23.880 a trap called quest my big huge tropical question. Um, 0:04:24.000 --> 0:04:27.719 And I can't pick really between the low End Theory 0:04:27.839 --> 0:04:31.000 and Midnight Marauders, so I'm just gonna say they'll take 0:04:31.040 --> 0:04:34.440 up two of those three slots. Low end theory. Low 0:04:34.560 --> 0:04:37.720 end theory, I mean low end theory. I got some fine. 0:04:37.880 --> 0:04:40.720 I have fond memories of both, but yeah, I I 0:04:40.760 --> 0:04:43.240 can lean towards lowand theory. That was the first cassette 0:04:43.279 --> 0:04:47.840 tape I bought UM back in, which is crazy I'm 0:04:47.880 --> 0:04:51.279 dating myself, but anyway, and I guess from my third 0:04:51.320 --> 0:04:53.600 it would be De las So delas So is Dead. 0:04:53.760 --> 0:04:57.599 Like I really love skits, which is probably why I 0:04:57.640 --> 0:05:00.400 got into like sound design and creating scenes with sound 0:05:00.839 --> 0:05:04.760 um and principle Like that album to me was like 0:05:04.960 --> 0:05:07.599 the first time I had really heard anyone like use 0:05:08.160 --> 0:05:10.760 you know, besides songs like have a thematic kind of 0:05:10.760 --> 0:05:12.640 through line through an album, and I thought it was 0:05:12.720 --> 0:05:16.000 really cool. And again that was I think so something 0:05:16.040 --> 0:05:20.160 about that year. I was only eleven, but you were 0:05:20.200 --> 0:05:22.200 listening to all this stuff too, right, that will Yeah, 0:05:22.440 --> 0:05:25.800 try to call quest was actually a name that popped 0:05:25.839 --> 0:05:28.640 up when you asked for three records. But you know, 0:05:28.680 --> 0:05:32.160 it's kind of savage you're asking for asking someone to 0:05:32.279 --> 0:05:37.120 choose a top three, like even a top five. You know, 0:05:37.240 --> 0:05:40.280 I hate having to ever choose, you know, the top 0:05:40.360 --> 0:05:46.200 five thing? Yeah, top three is just cruel. What are 0:05:46.240 --> 0:05:48.800 your what are your top three albums? Then? For for 0:05:48.960 --> 0:05:56.440 this question, Uh, I three is hard? Um obviously I 0:05:56.440 --> 0:06:04.960 would say me is probably Wu Tang Forever, Dick over 0:06:05.720 --> 0:06:09.640 thirty six Chambers. See I I I would taboo. You 0:06:09.680 --> 0:06:11.839 and I have sort of a similar situation and that 0:06:11.920 --> 0:06:14.120 our parents didn't really want us listen to this stuff, 0:06:14.680 --> 0:06:18.359 and so I found Um, I don't know if you 0:06:18.400 --> 0:06:21.080 know this, but Walmart back in the day would carry 0:06:21.160 --> 0:06:23.800 sort of sanitized versions of all the big records. So 0:06:23.880 --> 0:06:26.200 if your parents wouldn't let you have the explicit lyrics 0:06:26.200 --> 0:06:28.200 go on, you could just go to the Walmart. They 0:06:28.240 --> 0:06:30.680 had Wu Tang Forever at Walmart and you could buy 0:06:30.720 --> 0:06:33.479 it and everything was edited out. But it was cooler 0:06:33.760 --> 0:06:36.040 because it had kung Fu sound effects over the over 0:06:36.040 --> 0:06:40.520 the curses, so it actually sounded cool. It wasn't just 0:06:40.680 --> 0:06:43.839 it wasn't bleeps, it was burning. It was yo. I 0:06:43.920 --> 0:06:49.040 highly recommend it to anybody. So if you basically did it, 0:06:49.160 --> 0:06:51.280 oh no, you can tell you. You can tell. They 0:06:51.279 --> 0:06:52.680 didn't give it to the A and R. They didn't 0:06:52.680 --> 0:06:55.640 give it to the sensor. They said, Rizza, we need 0:06:55.640 --> 0:06:58.520 you to make this and he said, okay, yeah, I 0:06:58.520 --> 0:07:00.520 got a bunch of Kung Fu samples. I'll do it. 0:07:00.880 --> 0:07:04.919 I would say that. And this compilation this uh, it 0:07:05.000 --> 0:07:08.040 was MTV Amp two, but it was just a bunch 0:07:08.080 --> 0:07:10.600 of electronic music, which is nobody around me listened to. 0:07:11.320 --> 0:07:13.200 And I was just the only person. I'm listening to 0:07:13.400 --> 0:07:15.200 drumm and bass and techno. I don't know what any 0:07:15.200 --> 0:07:17.000 of this stuff is because nobody in my hometown knew 0:07:17.040 --> 0:07:19.400 what this was. But it just, you know, that's what 0:07:19.480 --> 0:07:21.920 actually got me into DJ and you know, doing college 0:07:22.000 --> 0:07:26.600 radio stuff. Probably those and two very strange picks. Yeah 0:07:26.800 --> 0:07:32.920 clean clean version of Utan Forever and MTV app Yeah 0:07:32.960 --> 0:07:35.280 man too, because that's what that's what there was. That's 0:07:35.280 --> 0:07:38.520 what they had at the store. Drum roll for the 0:07:38.600 --> 0:07:43.640 third one, what's your third pick? Why? Cleft John's the Carnival. 0:07:43.880 --> 0:07:49.280 I'm not saying that's my favorite record, But I am saying, yes, 0:07:49.880 --> 0:07:52.800 the skits, the skits are phenomenal and just the through 0:07:52.840 --> 0:07:55.080 line between everything he takes you just places you didn't 0:07:55.080 --> 0:07:59.239 think you were gonna go the set? Are you talking 0:07:59.240 --> 0:08:05.600 about the song? Pocket? You talking about? That was like 0:08:05.720 --> 0:08:09.760 from another But if I was to take it to 0:08:09.920 --> 0:08:13.280 things that I thought really hit me musically, it would 0:08:13.320 --> 0:08:20.680 probably be Eric about duds debut a fourth Yo. You 0:08:20.680 --> 0:08:23.760 you you went. You kind of fudged it to man, 0:08:23.800 --> 0:08:27.080 Come on, You're allowed to do that. I'm the host, 0:08:27.120 --> 0:08:34.360 bro okay, whatever, Okay, But but speaking speaking about that, okay, 0:08:34.400 --> 0:08:37.120 I think we have all these but part of that, 0:08:37.480 --> 0:08:39.559 I want to take this back a little bit. One 0:08:39.600 --> 0:08:42.679 of the things that that we worked a lot on 0:08:43.160 --> 0:08:47.000 is uh is the theme song. And so you know, 0:08:47.880 --> 0:08:50.280 I know, I know you're you're usually in the other seat, 0:08:50.320 --> 0:08:51.800 but maybe I'll ask you to sort of be the 0:08:51.880 --> 0:08:55.559 music journalists here tableau. Um, the theme song? How do 0:08:55.559 --> 0:08:58.240 you feel about theme song? For this one? I loved it, 0:08:58.280 --> 0:09:01.559 And I also loved the rest of the audio production. 0:09:01.800 --> 0:09:06.240 I mean it, I only heard the first two episodes 0:09:06.600 --> 0:09:11.000 as we're doing this right now, and um, the audio 0:09:11.040 --> 0:09:17.560 production was like miles above what I imagined it could 0:09:17.600 --> 0:09:23.760 be because we just had conversations, but it became like 0:09:25.000 --> 0:09:29.480 it became something because of the audio production and the music. 0:09:29.679 --> 0:09:33.920 Everything was so so good. So Kyle like, seriously, thank you, 0:09:34.160 --> 0:09:37.520 you did an amazing job. Yeah, it was awesome, man, 0:09:37.640 --> 0:09:40.160 just working on it, just helping to tell your story, 0:09:40.400 --> 0:09:43.840 you know, um, plus as a music producer, you know, 0:09:44.200 --> 0:09:46.160 at the flex a little bit and just let people 0:09:46.200 --> 0:09:50.280 know it's funny because tell what you may me not 0:09:50.520 --> 0:09:53.600 realize this, but I listened to your early records and 0:09:53.640 --> 0:09:55.920 I was putting that plus the stuff you were saying, 0:09:56.400 --> 0:09:58.240 because I was kind of in the back of my mind, 0:09:58.240 --> 0:09:59.839 I knew, Okay, we're gonna have to have a theme song. 0:10:00.040 --> 0:10:02.400 Do we do this? So we were actually kind of 0:10:02.400 --> 0:10:08.079 trying to reverse engineer young dan Lee Young tableau into 0:10:08.480 --> 0:10:12.400 what sounds like something he would have dug And so 0:10:12.480 --> 0:10:14.720 Kyle and I went back and forth on this. You know, 0:10:14.760 --> 0:10:16.880 it's just all right, man. You know that there's gotta 0:10:16.880 --> 0:10:18.520 be some horns in there that sounds like Pete Rock 0:10:19.080 --> 0:10:21.640 and we we we were arguing over the bpm. He 0:10:21.720 --> 0:10:23.640 added a hundred. I was just yo, slow, you gotta 0:10:23.640 --> 0:10:26.160 slow down the nine four and he's all right, man, 0:10:26.200 --> 0:10:29.240 we'll try it. And it was a lot. It was 0:10:29.280 --> 0:10:31.880 a lot, So I'm gonna feel like it. That's a 0:10:32.160 --> 0:10:36.760 very That's an interesting way to like produce a bat 0:10:37.880 --> 0:10:44.199 you know, reverse engineering it so that it reflects someone's life. Yeah, 0:10:44.280 --> 0:10:48.600 And like I've been making music about my story for 0:10:48.679 --> 0:10:51.760 like two decades and I don't think I've ever done that. 0:10:53.520 --> 0:10:57.760 It was a fun challenge to say the least. Shout 0:10:57.800 --> 0:11:00.840 out to one of our producers, Stuff Big, because she 0:11:01.000 --> 0:11:05.200 sent a Spotify playlist of like all your influences or 0:11:05.240 --> 0:11:09.840 you know, like from from obviously Atomatic to um Bob Dylan, 0:11:10.080 --> 0:11:15.920 and it was like, yo, what Yeah, it just has 0:11:15.960 --> 0:11:20.640 to sound like the Atomatic and Bob Dylan. Yeah, right, right, 0:11:20.720 --> 0:11:24.000 right right. I think when you do music and both 0:11:24.000 --> 0:11:25.760 of you all can can speak this so just as 0:11:25.760 --> 0:11:28.000 a creative like it should be a challenge, Like there's 0:11:28.040 --> 0:11:32.040 no challenger. It makes the you know, the end result 0:11:32.200 --> 0:11:34.880 like not as satisfying. You know, if if you think 0:11:35.160 --> 0:11:37.560 about even just how it started, right and you know, 0:11:37.679 --> 0:11:39.400 just I think when all the peoples are coming up, 0:11:39.880 --> 0:11:43.000 we all grew up, you know, three separate places, and 0:11:43.160 --> 0:11:46.520 we have these different influences, but there's something about just 0:11:47.320 --> 0:11:50.840 how hip hop culture works, where if you're gonna do 0:11:50.920 --> 0:11:55.200 it right, you have to have the background, you have 0:11:55.320 --> 0:11:57.000 to have kind of this knowledge of it. I mean 0:11:57.000 --> 0:11:59.000 even if you go way back to the first parties 0:11:59.040 --> 0:12:02.440 and you know in New York, Yeah, it was this 0:12:02.480 --> 0:12:04.400 new genre. But what were they playing. They were playing 0:12:04.400 --> 0:12:07.959 their parents records, and so you had to know about 0:12:08.679 --> 0:12:10.680 just all you have to know all of this different 0:12:10.760 --> 0:12:13.160 music and I mean, tallow, that's something you could hear, 0:12:13.960 --> 0:12:19.359 especially in your first few records. Yeah, like soul samples 0:12:19.440 --> 0:12:22.559 weren't really a thing yet in Korea at the time. 0:12:23.840 --> 0:12:27.840 Um and Uh. We we wanted to make sure that 0:12:28.320 --> 0:12:34.480 the album reflected the things that we were listening to, um, 0:12:34.520 --> 0:12:37.160 you know growing up that the music that we liked. 0:12:37.600 --> 0:12:42.400 We wanted the first album to reflect the influences all 0:12:42.440 --> 0:12:46.199 of those rappers and hip hop musicians that influenced us. 0:12:46.559 --> 0:12:50.160 I didn't want it to just sound like illmatic. I 0:12:50.240 --> 0:12:53.600 wanted it to sound like what Nas must have been 0:12:53.600 --> 0:12:57.960 listening to when he was a kid. Yeah, and so 0:12:58.600 --> 0:13:02.280 it had to be like a crash course for um, 0:13:02.320 --> 0:13:06.240 everybody in Korea that you know, it was just finding 0:13:06.320 --> 0:13:10.240 rap a novelty at the time. Um, we had to 0:13:10.880 --> 0:13:15.360 explain like the whole sampling thing and how it's not plagiarism, 0:13:15.360 --> 0:13:20.559 and there there's still debates about like sampling, like how 0:13:20.600 --> 0:13:26.400 how can you take someone else's music and just put 0:13:26.480 --> 0:13:30.480 some drums on it? And we're like a lot more 0:13:30.600 --> 0:13:36.600 is happening than that. Yeah, and uh but but yeah, 0:13:36.840 --> 0:13:40.640 like it's not like everyone's still it's not like everyone 0:13:41.040 --> 0:13:47.960 already gets it immediately, but um, but it's it's a 0:13:48.000 --> 0:13:51.400 lot better than before. Since you've if we've talked, you've 0:13:51.840 --> 0:13:54.760 dropped an entire album and there's a whole bunch of stuff. 0:13:54.760 --> 0:13:57.160 There's a big catalog we can go through. So I've 0:13:57.200 --> 0:13:58.720 spent a bunch of time in your music. But also 0:13:58.760 --> 0:14:01.840 know the Kyle has um, you know, what the hell 0:14:01.960 --> 0:14:03.880 did you just do it? Like this? Kyle? You got 0:14:03.880 --> 0:14:06.600 a favorite? You got a favorite track? You gotta favorite 0:14:06.600 --> 0:14:09.920 every high song. I think the album that has kind 0:14:09.920 --> 0:14:12.720 of you know, resonated with me the most map of 0:14:12.720 --> 0:14:15.680 the human soul. I think it's really resonated just and 0:14:15.760 --> 0:14:18.520 I can hear it like because it's it's interesting. Like 0:14:18.559 --> 0:14:20.520 when I started listening to it, I had to go 0:14:20.680 --> 0:14:23.240 and I was like, when when was this release? Because 0:14:23.880 --> 0:14:26.280 now it makes sense that you're saying that you all 0:14:26.320 --> 0:14:28.920 were somewhat playing cash up. We're not you, per se, 0:14:28.960 --> 0:14:32.440 but the people in Korea listening because that style with 0:14:32.640 --> 0:14:34.880 chopping up in the boom bap like almost like the 0:14:35.000 --> 0:14:38.880 DJ Premier style with the cuts and stuff. We in 0:14:38.960 --> 0:14:41.520 the US have been spoiled. We've been doing that since 0:14:41.600 --> 0:14:44.400 like the you know, ill matic and p rocking Seale 0:14:44.400 --> 0:14:48.240 smooth Gangstar like, so it's interesting to hear it's almost 0:14:48.280 --> 0:14:51.880 like it was a few years later. But it's also 0:14:52.000 --> 0:14:58.800 you gotta key perspective trying to keep it pool not 0:14:58.960 --> 0:15:07.720 int Safina walk. So Hannibal this actlutely. I was working 0:15:07.720 --> 0:15:10.320 with the producer. I told him, I want to do 0:15:10.400 --> 0:15:15.840 something that sounds like de La Soul. So you're you're 0:15:15.920 --> 0:15:20.520 totally right, Like, uh, we were trying to like capture 0:15:22.360 --> 0:15:25.520 things that we felt for the for the decade building 0:15:25.600 --> 0:15:28.000 up to when we released their first album. Because by 0:15:28.040 --> 0:15:30.400 the time we released their first album, people had moved 0:15:30.440 --> 0:15:34.320 on to like Swiss beats, beats um a lot of 0:15:34.360 --> 0:15:39.160 meaty uh and you know the whole like chopping up 0:15:39.200 --> 0:15:44.360 and using vinyl samples was sort of uh, not in 0:15:44.440 --> 0:15:49.640 fashion at the time already. So in Korea, what was strange? 0:15:49.800 --> 0:15:56.040 They just jumped from very amateurish beats too, like what 0:15:56.080 --> 0:16:02.040 was trending, like Swiss beats um and also like you know, 0:16:02.200 --> 0:16:06.400 the whole like Destiny's Child kind of beats, like very 0:16:06.480 --> 0:16:11.240 highly produced and yeah yeah, and they had just skipped 0:16:11.320 --> 0:16:16.640 over like the entire nineties with the with the cassio keyboards, 0:16:17.360 --> 0:16:19.720 like I used to hate Swiss beats with the that 0:16:19.880 --> 0:16:22.000 was his thing, like he would hit a key and 0:16:22.040 --> 0:16:25.480 it would make a scratch. Let go, jigga, jigga. I 0:16:25.520 --> 0:16:30.440 was like, dude, where that was great? And now it's amazing. 0:16:30.960 --> 0:16:34.400 Now it's like now, yeah, man, people don't make beats 0:16:34.400 --> 0:16:39.720 like Swiss beats and no more right, you know, you know, Okay, 0:16:39.920 --> 0:16:41.680 I want to take this sort of a different direction 0:16:41.720 --> 0:16:46.040 because mine, my personal favorite actually track is wish you 0:16:46.080 --> 0:16:50.680 were Hm. That's it for me, man. For the last 0:16:50.760 --> 0:16:54.880 few years, it's been so I've been to stay home 0:16:55.000 --> 0:17:01.000 there my daughter to sell the pain and whisper stay 0:17:01.080 --> 0:17:06.000 home and people's take. I have a lot of thoughts 0:17:06.040 --> 0:17:09.080 about that, but I would love to hear yours. Where 0:17:09.119 --> 0:17:11.240 where were you when you were making that? What what 0:17:11.400 --> 0:17:15.200 prompted that? Yeah, like we didn't have this when that 0:17:16.320 --> 0:17:21.639 album was done. Basically it was felt like the album 0:17:21.680 --> 0:17:27.159 needed a proper last track, and you know, you know, 0:17:27.200 --> 0:17:31.880 as producers, you know like, um, some beats and some 0:17:32.000 --> 0:17:36.400 songs take like months to finish, yeah, and then there 0:17:36.400 --> 0:17:41.000 are songs that like literally take ten fifteen minutes and 0:17:41.119 --> 0:17:43.560 you feel like you have it. Yeah. I just went 0:17:43.600 --> 0:17:45.119 into booth and I was like, I'm just gonna do 0:17:45.240 --> 0:17:49.280 like one two lines at a time, and I'll try 0:17:49.280 --> 0:17:51.520 to come up with the lyrics. And that's why it 0:17:51.640 --> 0:17:55.560 sort of just sounds like half narration, not even really 0:17:55.640 --> 0:17:58.920 a full rap. So what was it you were tapping into? 0:17:58.960 --> 0:18:04.800 Because I'm the good about what you're saying, right, yeah? Um. 0:18:04.840 --> 0:18:09.160 So at this time, uh, there was like this whole 0:18:09.200 --> 0:18:12.760 thing going on like online, like in in hip hop 0:18:12.800 --> 0:18:19.280 forums and even in our fan chats about like how 0:18:19.880 --> 0:18:23.199 EPICCAI is. You know, they're all you know, two of 0:18:23.200 --> 0:18:27.680 them are dads. Yeah, but you know like their dad's 0:18:27.760 --> 0:18:30.520 you know, they're old. Some of our fans were just 0:18:30.520 --> 0:18:34.200 shipping on us and someone called me like a stay 0:18:34.240 --> 0:18:40.399 home dad and um, and I'm like, well, aren't we 0:18:40.440 --> 0:18:44.560 all like stay home at this time? And that's where 0:18:44.640 --> 0:18:48.320 like the whole uh exchange with my daughter thing happens 0:18:48.400 --> 0:18:51.760 because I told her, I was like, you know, people 0:18:51.760 --> 0:18:55.679 are calling me like a dad, which I am, but 0:18:56.160 --> 0:18:58.440 you know, when you call a rapper a dad, I'm 0:18:58.480 --> 0:19:00.480 I'm not sure that they mean it and a good way. 0:19:00.480 --> 0:19:03.679 And She's like, I like it that you're you're a 0:19:03.720 --> 0:19:07.480 stay at home dad. I mean, for me, this is 0:19:07.520 --> 0:19:10.280 why I like it. Honestly for me, man, that track 0:19:11.200 --> 0:19:14.120 is the best disk track of the last past few 0:19:14.200 --> 0:19:18.560 years that I've heard it, hands down, Yes, bro it 0:19:19.280 --> 0:19:26.080 that it's cold because I think in some ways it's 0:19:26.200 --> 0:19:28.800 very you know, it's it's very thoughtful, right, But the 0:19:28.840 --> 0:19:31.600 in in the back of it, I also here you 0:19:31.800 --> 0:19:34.640 where are your priorities? You know what I mean. I'm 0:19:34.680 --> 0:19:39.639 I'm being a great dad. How is that not something 0:19:39.680 --> 0:19:42.919 you think is a good idea? We're all very used to. 0:19:42.960 --> 0:19:45.000 And I love this stuff, right, I love listening to 0:19:45.080 --> 0:19:47.960 rappers rap about you know, the cars and the money 0:19:47.960 --> 0:19:53.720 and all this stuff. But yo, I'm chilling with my daughter. Yeah. 0:19:53.800 --> 0:20:00.639 I mean, I think even with uh, the the stuff 0:20:00.680 --> 0:20:03.639 that I went through, UM, which you know was at 0:20:03.680 --> 0:20:07.119 the center of authentic UM. I think one of the 0:20:07.160 --> 0:20:11.640 reasons why I was able to withstand it a bit. 0:20:12.000 --> 0:20:16.560 It's because people usually attack what they think is important 0:20:16.600 --> 0:20:23.480 to you, and in hip hop, they will attack your ego. Um, 0:20:23.600 --> 0:20:27.400 they'll say something like, you know, you know, you're poor, 0:20:27.720 --> 0:20:32.720 like your your record sales aren't doing good, you're washed up. Yeah, 0:20:33.080 --> 0:20:35.960 you know, yeah, it's all status stuff. Yeah. But the 0:20:35.960 --> 0:20:39.560 thing is, uh, none of that ever really mattered to me. 0:20:39.960 --> 0:20:43.600 I'm not saying that like I'm above it, but it's 0:20:43.600 --> 0:20:46.920 just I'm a different person and those things aren't at 0:20:46.960 --> 0:20:50.080 the top of my priority list. Yeah. And that's kind 0:20:50.080 --> 0:20:51.520 of what I was here, you know with even with 0:20:51.560 --> 0:20:56.040 the title wish you were It's like, Yo, I'm I've evolved, man, 0:20:56.600 --> 0:20:59.600 get on my level. I cook really good round from 0:20:59.600 --> 0:21:02.480 my daughter. Dude, I am if we get together when 0:21:02.480 --> 0:21:04.720 I'm in the States, I'm making Roman for you guys. 0:21:04.880 --> 0:21:09.000 I am literally top like, not even top five, I'm 0:21:09.040 --> 0:21:19.840 like top one or two Lamar or j Cole of Raman. Okay, 0:21:20.000 --> 0:21:22.000 I want to keep going with this, but we gotta 0:21:22.040 --> 0:21:35.800 take a quick break. We'll be right back. So we're back. 0:21:36.119 --> 0:21:38.480 And and one thing I wanted to touch on a 0:21:38.520 --> 0:21:40.879 little bit is, you know, aside from the music that 0:21:41.040 --> 0:21:44.160 there's a sound design, right, which sometimes may not be 0:21:44.640 --> 0:21:47.480 so obvious, but but it's really part of what what 0:21:47.600 --> 0:21:50.400 helps you go to a place, what helps you feel 0:21:50.400 --> 0:21:54.080 like you're somewhere. So I want to throw this to you, Kyle, Um, 0:21:54.320 --> 0:21:57.719 was there was there anything that you found challenging about 0:21:58.560 --> 0:22:01.919 bringing this ory sort of alive because you know, me, 0:22:02.080 --> 0:22:03.760 me and Tally we just sort of chopped it up 0:22:04.080 --> 0:22:07.000 for hours, right, you had to make people feel like 0:22:07.520 --> 0:22:09.840 they were there in the room with us. At another 0:22:10.000 --> 0:22:12.719 prior job, they used to cause audio animators and I 0:22:12.800 --> 0:22:15.760 like that because it's like the idea of taking things 0:22:15.760 --> 0:22:18.679 that you normally would see or image and using sound 0:22:18.720 --> 0:22:21.159 to bring them to life. So, Um, I think about 0:22:21.480 --> 0:22:23.480 two things stand out to me. Um. One of them 0:22:23.560 --> 0:22:27.359 was Hung Day scene. That that scene in particular because 0:22:27.400 --> 0:22:30.840 it reminded me of being in college. Yeah yeah, yeah, Kyle. 0:22:30.960 --> 0:22:32.719 I mean love what you're saying here because a lot 0:22:32.800 --> 0:22:34.560 of this, you know, the way, the thing that made 0:22:34.560 --> 0:22:36.600 it work was being able to hear us there. So 0:22:36.720 --> 0:22:43.359 I'm gonna play this right now. Hung Day is the 0:22:43.440 --> 0:22:46.520 name for a neighborhood that's around hung University, and in 0:22:46.520 --> 0:22:49.560 the early two thousand's it was the hip hangout for 0:22:49.640 --> 0:22:54.159 young people who were into art and music all right, 0:22:54.240 --> 0:22:59.040 one to one to check one two one two. During 0:22:59.080 --> 0:23:02.000 the daytime hung they looked like any other college area, 0:23:02.480 --> 0:23:06.120 small cafes, boutique shops, that kind of thing. But at night, 0:23:06.560 --> 0:23:11.760 the local pubs, bars and clubs transformed the neighborhood. The 0:23:11.920 --> 0:23:16.560 central gathering points was this neighborhood, and also specifically there 0:23:16.600 --> 0:23:20.159 was most of the nightlife targeted young college kids, so 0:23:20.280 --> 0:23:23.080 the drinks were cheap, the music was loud, and a 0:23:23.200 --> 0:23:28.080 lot of the clubs were literally underground. It's amazing, um 0:23:29.800 --> 0:23:34.040 because I actually lived it right and um, as I 0:23:34.200 --> 0:23:37.359 was listening through, like hearing it right now, like with 0:23:37.520 --> 0:23:42.400 my eyes closed. Um, it really does feel like I'm 0:23:42.520 --> 0:23:46.879 back there, you know it just with the uh, with 0:23:47.040 --> 0:23:50.359 the music, but also the way the noise is overlaid 0:23:50.440 --> 0:23:53.840 on it. Um, it really does take you back. And 0:23:54.520 --> 0:23:57.840 and I love that that phrase audio animator. I'm gonna 0:23:57.920 --> 0:24:00.840 start using the I'm putting that on my LinkedIn like 0:24:02.920 --> 0:24:08.600 because that's so accurate. Um. Yeah, I really believe where 0:24:09.800 --> 0:24:14.040 in an age now where audio is is so much 0:24:14.160 --> 0:24:18.720 more powerful than people know. How did you how do 0:24:18.800 --> 0:24:23.240 you take us there? Just listening. And also I think 0:24:23.320 --> 0:24:26.119 story beats, like making sure there's this room for like 0:24:26.760 --> 0:24:29.879 literally the beats I'm putting into actually like breathe and 0:24:30.000 --> 0:24:33.200 like hit four minutes, like to break up the narration. 0:24:33.880 --> 0:24:36.480 Good writing. So shout out to our producer Stuff k 0:24:37.480 --> 0:24:40.919 who wrote that episode. I've been working as an audio 0:24:40.960 --> 0:24:43.720 animator since I left college in two thousand and one, 0:24:44.160 --> 0:24:47.280 and obviously it takes iteration. It took some hours, and 0:24:47.440 --> 0:24:50.719 like if people saw the amount of time I was spending, 0:24:50.840 --> 0:24:54.159 particularly just doing one que and one scene, they'd be like, 0:24:54.240 --> 0:24:58.119 that's crazy, But I'm like, no, that's art. Tabloo kind 0:24:58.119 --> 0:24:59.960 of has the I think I've seen this before, the 0:25:00.119 --> 0:25:04.840 sort of the I'm taking notes. Look, okay, I see this. 0:25:04.960 --> 0:25:07.880 Hell's done. I'm thinking to myself, I need a beat 0:25:07.960 --> 0:25:12.880 from Kyle. Yo. That can be a rain next time 0:25:13.000 --> 0:25:16.480 we do something, I need to beat from Kyle because like, dude, 0:25:17.600 --> 0:25:20.959 it's just it was really good. Thanks man, that's awesome. 0:25:21.320 --> 0:25:22.840 I saw I saw you nod in your head as 0:25:22.880 --> 0:25:24.760 it was going Yeah, when you're closing your eyes and 0:25:24.840 --> 0:25:26.920 dot in your head. I felt that I need a 0:25:27.040 --> 0:25:30.280 Kyle beat. Yeah, that are you kidding me? That's like 0:25:30.400 --> 0:25:33.080