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Speaker 1: We will never forget or forgive the Biden administration for

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Speaker 2: Shamefulness from this administration.

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Speaker 1: Recently, some of the gold Star families were able to

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Speaker 1: She is a gold Star mother. She lost her son,

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Speaker 3: When Joe Biden, our elected president, entered the room. When

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Speaker 3: and I know how you feel. We lost our son

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Speaker 3: of my son's death. After this encounter, I have never

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Speaker 2: I was ryl Rex.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna hear from her in this episode, her son,

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Speaker 2: Here's Cheryl.

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Speaker 4: With Cheryl.

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Speaker 1: I really appreciate you taking the time to come on

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Speaker 4: Thank you, Lisa, Thank you for having me join.

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Speaker 2: Before we get started, tell us about Dylan.

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Speaker 3: Dylan was amazing, very kind hearted to everybody, always smiling,

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Speaker 1: It sounds like someone who really made an impact in

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Speaker 3: Dylan was in Afghanistan only for a little less than two.

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Speaker 1: Weeks, so he went specifically for the withdrawal.

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Speaker 3: Correct Dylan and his battalion were actually deployed to Jordan

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Speaker 1: Why did he decide to join the military? You know,

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Speaker 3: Actually had woken up that morning to an alert on

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Speaker 3: We were all awaiting this plane arrival to go on

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Speaker 4: It was asked whoever wishes.

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Speaker 3: He made the entire conversation, which lasted limited to that

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Speaker 3: There was no correlation on my son's death versus is his.

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Speaker 1: It's almost as if he's trying to use his son's

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Speaker 3: It was and after the process, I did realize people

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Speaker 3: They had us outside to a witness our kids coming

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's just incredibly disrespectful to not give the

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Speaker 3: On top of that, we had been waiting for a

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Speaker 1: Do you feel like they've been this administration has been

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Speaker 3: I personally have not received a phone call, an email,

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Speaker 3: And that was the only thing I've ever received from him,

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Speaker 3: I believe if you're hiding something and not telling the truth,

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Speaker 4: Everything is classified by this administration.

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Speaker 1: I can't imagine being a parent and watching the subsequent

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Speaker 1: And it was also frustrating. You know, not only did

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Speaker 3: We left Americans behind and our Afghan allies behind. We

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Speaker 1: I would assume it's because this administration doesn't want to

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Speaker 2: Get the blame.

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Speaker 1: But they should get the blame because you know, these

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Speaker 3: Right, if I made the decision to go down the

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Speaker 1: What was it like to testify before Congress and to

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Speaker 3: Leading up to it, I honestly felt, here's our chance

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Speaker 3: I just want people to know that my son did

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Speaker 4: My son died saving as.

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Speaker 1: Well, I think we can all agree with that. Hon

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Speaker 3: You know?

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Speaker 2: What can we do.

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Speaker 3: I guess what I've been told, keep calling your congress members.

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Speaker 1: Well. I hope you're testimony, along with others, helps encourage

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Speaker 3: I greatly appreciate you living as me personally have a voice.

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Speaker 1: That was Cheryl Rex, mother of the following Marine Lance

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Speaker 1: Corporal Dylan Marola. Appreciate her joining the show. I can't

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Speaker 1: What a shameful time in American history. I want to

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Speaker 1: thank you guys at home for listening every Monday and Thursday,

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Speaker 1: but you can listen throughout the week. I want to

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Speaker 1: thank John Cassio, my producer, for putting the show together.

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Speaker 2: Till next time.