Speaker 1: It's the Son of a Butch podcast. I'm your host,
Speaker 1: Claude Harmon. You know the drill. We come to you
Speaker 1: every Wednesday. This week's guest Hat Perez. Whether you like him,
Speaker 1: whether you don't like him, what you do know is
Speaker 1: you're going to get hot takes. And UM, I think
Speaker 1: this is probably the first time with the live tour
Speaker 1: being officially over, that's where Pat's making his home. UM.
Speaker 1: He talks a lot about that choice and UM listen, UM,
Speaker 1: my job is and and in doing this podcast, I
Speaker 1: wanted to try and get as many different people on
Speaker 1: with his many different points of view about golf, about
Speaker 1: the game of golf, and given the current state of
Speaker 1: where golf is, UM, you know, I think Pat is
Speaker 1: one of the guys that have gone there. He's got
Speaker 1: some very very UM, like I said, he's got some
Speaker 1: hot takes. UM you always. I mean, I think Pat
Speaker 1: his entire career has been some one who has given
Speaker 1: the golf media um what they want, which is controversy,
Speaker 1: which is sound bites. And he doesn't hold back in
Speaker 1: that uh full disclosure. UM. I'll have anybody on the
Speaker 1: podcast that's in the game of golf. UM. This summer
Speaker 1: at the UM. I think it was at the RBC
Speaker 1: UM Heritage Harbor Town. UM. Jay Monahan came out, walked
Speaker 1: a few holes with Dustin Johnson and I said to
Speaker 1: j I said, listen, Ja, I'd love to get you
Speaker 1: on my podcast. UM love to get you, you know,
Speaker 1: talking about what's going on in the PGA tour. UH
Speaker 1: and just hear what you're saying. Obviously there's a lot
Speaker 1: of crazy things out there. And and that time, UM,
Speaker 1: it was pre lived, but everybody kind of knew that
Speaker 1: Live was back on UM the scene again and I
Speaker 1: said to Jay, said, listen, I'd love to have you
Speaker 1: come out and talk to you, talk to you about
Speaker 1: what's going on. And he said, yeah, let me let
Speaker 1: me get back to you. So if you're listening to Jay,
Speaker 1: we'd love to have you on. And UM, but the
Speaker 1: was a really good interview. Listen. I work with Pat Perez.
Speaker 1: I'm a Pat Perez fan. And you gotta remember Live
Speaker 1: has been so kind of polarizing and UM, there is
Speaker 1: no shortage of people talking heads players, people in the media,
Speaker 1: UM beating the drum for the PGA tour, which I
Speaker 1: get and you know, I listen, I listen to what
Speaker 1: their takes are and if you're gonna listen to those takes,
Speaker 1: there's going to be an alternative take to that. There
Speaker 1: are going to be the guys that have gone to Live.
Speaker 1: There are going to be the guys that went for
Speaker 1: whatever reasons they went. And whether you agree with it,
Speaker 1: whether you don't agree with it. Um, you know, life
Speaker 1: is about choices, and this is the choices people have made.
Speaker 1: Pat Perez has made the choice to go to Live.
Speaker 1: I know a lot of people when Pat signed with Live,
Speaker 1: they beat up on him because of things he had
Speaker 1: said about Live and stuff in the past, and and
Speaker 1: we get into that. So, UM, I'm excited to for
Speaker 1: everybody to hear it. And if it changes your view,
Speaker 1: then cool. It changes your view, And if it doesn't
Speaker 1: change your view, I'm good with that, that's cool too.
Speaker 1: So without any further ado, let's get to the interview
Speaker 1: with the one and the only Pat Perez. So my
Speaker 1: guest today, Pat Perez, Pat, Um, what a crazy year
Speaker 1: it's been. If I'd have told you last year at
Speaker 1: this time, um, all that's happened in professional golf had happened,
Speaker 1: would you have believed it? Now? We can't actually make
Speaker 1: it up. The fact that you know, we just said
Speaker 1: three years ago, well even after I won, after I
Speaker 1: won twice in eleven months, and I said, hey, by
Speaker 1: the way, this isn't even gonna scratch the surface of
Speaker 1: what's coming your way when you're forty six, like you're crazy,
Speaker 1: there's no chance come out of surgery, win my third
Speaker 1: tournament back, and then hey, but fast forward, there's gonna
Speaker 1: be this opportunity in golf. There's gonna be another group
Speaker 1: that comes out that is going to change the game,
Speaker 1: and it's gonna pull a lot of players from the
Speaker 1: PGA Tour. Like this, there's there's no chance it can't happen.
Speaker 1: It's absolutely impossible. And the fact that I was transpired
Speaker 1: since since June is just unbelievable. I literally can't believe
Speaker 1: it's all. Um. I just can't believe it's actually happened.
Speaker 1: So it's been amazing. You've probably been the guy um
Speaker 1: at Live who's taken as much of a beating from
Speaker 1: the anti Live people as anyone. Why do you why
Speaker 1: do you think that is? Well, I don't know they
Speaker 1: you know I played you know, I had a twenty
Speaker 1: one of your career. I played dice on the Tour.
Speaker 1: I kept my card every year. You know, I was
Speaker 1: obviously not a DJ or Brooks or you know, Roary
Speaker 1: or Tiger Phill and all these guys, you know, but
Speaker 1: I grew up in the Tiger Fill era. You know,
Speaker 1: I've known those guys in my whole life. They were
Speaker 1: the dominant players always. And you know, I think people
Speaker 1: to think that my career was better than it was.
Speaker 1: And you know, I'm as realist as anybody. I know
Speaker 1: that I am in a world beating I've I've won
Speaker 1: three times and every I love when people said, we've
Speaker 1: only won three times, and go win once, or go
Speaker 1: get your card really, you know, get through Q school,
Speaker 1: keep your card, you know, get playing the Masters, playing
Speaker 1: every tournament that's available. I played every single tournament that's
Speaker 1: been available to the game, every major, every w d
Speaker 1: C century, everything. I might just go play in one event,
Speaker 1: you know, let alone keep your card and then only
Speaker 1: win three times and playing for twenty one years, and
Speaker 1: then tell me how easy it's. You know, I'm some
Speaker 1: timey hearing that ship and the only one three times
Speaker 1: and only when, and only win thirty million dollars and
Speaker 1: only win third, you know, and keep your card, every time,
Speaker 1: and you know, I'm so tired of hearing that. But
Speaker 1: you know that's the thing. I'm a realist, so I
Speaker 1: know I'm not. I wasn't a world beater. But all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, when it seems like when you get
Speaker 1: paid up front, that people expect your game to be different,
Speaker 1: Like you know, you're supposed to be this world beater
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, a sudden you're supposed to I'm
Speaker 1: supposed to make every pot, you know, knocked down the pins,
Speaker 1: you know, and play these hard courses, which we are.
Speaker 1: We're playing hard courses, are set up hard. But you've
Speaker 1: seen who's one and who's played there. The they're they're
Speaker 1: the best players on our tour. And you know, DJ
Speaker 1: and Brooks were phenomenal before they got the pe. Read
Speaker 1: was phenomenal before he got there. Cam Smith was number
Speaker 1: two in the world just when the players in the open.
Speaker 1: I mean, yes, he's gonna be at the top. That's
Speaker 1: the way it is. But I think when you get
Speaker 1: paid up front, and if you just look at other sports,
Speaker 1: I mean, I've been through my whole life seeing these
Speaker 1: other guys that get paid thirty million. You see these
Speaker 1: basketball contracts four years four, and you don't even know
Speaker 1: the guy's name. You're like guaranteed that guy get that
Speaker 1: money guaranteed, Like you just gonna get a hundred eighty
Speaker 1: four million dollars, Like, well, he better have, you know,
Speaker 1: fifty five triple doubles, he better lead his team in
Speaker 1: the championship. And when they don't, those guys don't get
Speaker 1: beat up. But for some reason, because I'm supposed to,
Speaker 1: you know, because I got I made a ton of
Speaker 1: money in this deal that my game was supposed to
Speaker 1: be somewhat incredible at you know, almost forty seven years old.
Speaker 1: Do you think some of the negative the negative comments
Speaker 1: towards you come from I mean I went back and
Speaker 1: watched the podcast that you you did with Cult Knows,
Speaker 1: you know, and you talked it was right after l
Speaker 1: A was right when film made his comments, and um,
Speaker 1: you know, you were pretty, I mean you were pretty.
Speaker 1: You were an anti LID, but you were like, listen,
Speaker 1: I mean I think it's over. I think it's dead.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's gonna happen. All of that, and
Speaker 1: then you sign and play seven events. Do you think
Speaker 1: people look at maybe some of your comments that you
Speaker 1: made in the past and go, Okay, well you were
Speaker 1: saying this at this point of the year, and then
Speaker 1: you get an offer, and then you go. You gotta
Speaker 1: remember Coulton knows and his partner cut out twenty minutes
Speaker 1: of my podcast with them, and when it comes to film,
Speaker 1: I have a different hate fulfilled than most people. And
Speaker 1: people won't know the story. I'm not gonna go into
Speaker 1: the story again. But Phil crossed the line with me
Speaker 1: that it is just uncrossable and unforgivable, and he knows
Speaker 1: that he's screwed up. He apologized for the action, but
Speaker 1: it doesn't I cannot forgive him for because I've known
Speaker 1: film for a long long time. I've known the guy forever,
Speaker 1: and the fact that when he made this action, not
Speaker 1: only was it he had, he had intentions of doing it,
Speaker 1: he was already he knew it was gonna happen before happening,
Speaker 1: and when he did it, I was so like, you know,
Speaker 1: I was. I was hurt. For one. I was, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm like, how can this guy do this and this
Speaker 1: and this? So well. I didn't go into really on
Speaker 1: cold thing, but I told her, I said, you've cut
Speaker 1: out all the reasons of why I don't like film.
Speaker 1: And I said that. The other thing is that, you know,
Speaker 1: everybody thought that Phil was on the other side of
Speaker 1: Everyone thought that Phil was greedy in this. No he wasn't.
Speaker 1: If anybody knows what's going on. Phil has been top
Speaker 1: fifties whole career. He's been involved in all these teams
Speaker 1: and all the things that are going on the tour.
Speaker 1: He is very knowledgeable and what's going on with the tour.
Speaker 1: And he voiced his displeasure and what is wrong with
Speaker 1: the tour. And he's a correct in the fact of
Speaker 1: the way the tour is the way they are. They
Speaker 1: are for themselves. They are not for the players, They
Speaker 1: are not for you know, growing anybody else except their
Speaker 1: own pockets. They call themself a nonprofit, yet all they
Speaker 1: have is profit, So how does that work? Right? But
Speaker 1: the thing about what I was saying is that Phil, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Phil almost ruined the thing completely because of his comments
Speaker 1: about the deal. And then guys got scared of like, wow,
Speaker 1: this isn't gonna work. Now Phil's obviously turned you know,
Speaker 1: he's saying this and this, and it could have been
Speaker 1: a worse timing for the live group in that deal.
Speaker 1: And then, but like I that in my interview, I said,
Speaker 1: I'm behind the tour because I didn't get it off.
Speaker 1: I've never talked to the live group my entire life,
Speaker 1: you know. And then Tiger was against it, and this mattered.
Speaker 1: You know, Tiger has always been you know, and idol
Speaker 1: mine and you know I've always looked up to him,
Speaker 1: and but he wasn't four it, but I was. Again,
Speaker 1: I didn't have it again, like I said, Yeah, I said,
Speaker 1: you offered me a good deal. I'm going because at
Speaker 1: my point in my life, at forty six, you offer
Speaker 1: me enough catch and I don't have to do as
Speaker 1: much as I don't, you know, I don't have to
Speaker 1: play as much anymore. I'm at it. And so unfortunately
Speaker 1: timing for film and then because Phil and I had
Speaker 1: a little talk funny enough, the the week before that
Speaker 1: all happened, so before all those comments came out, and
Speaker 1: then funny enough, right after I did the podcast with
Speaker 1: Cold is when you know, I think phili is starting
Speaker 1: to get word on, you know, things that I knew
Speaker 1: and this and ad and so the Cold cut out
Speaker 1: a lot of that deal. And so it's none of that.
Speaker 1: I was really against it or four I didn't know
Speaker 1: enough about it obviously, and I wasn't even considering because
Speaker 1: I didn't have an offer and talk to anybody, and really,
Speaker 1: you know, other than you and DJ, that's the only
Speaker 1: real reason I knew that something may have come by direction.
Speaker 1: But you know, the whole thing about me wearing out
Speaker 1: Phil has way more to do with the interaction or
Speaker 1: the problem that we have had as opposed to him
Speaker 1: trying to beat up the tour and going after a
Speaker 1: lot of money. So that's that's where it needs to
Speaker 1: be clarifying. Do you think um, I mean, I think
Speaker 1: we've all you know, those those of us that have
Speaker 1: been a part of Live for the last for these
Speaker 1: eight tournaments that you know, I went to all of them.
Speaker 1: You you were there for seven of them. Do you
Speaker 1: think that there's a misconception about what's happening what's going
Speaker 1: on on on the Live Tour? Do you think people's
Speaker 1: perception of what's happening is different than what is happening.
Speaker 1: I think one, because it's not on TV, so everybody
Speaker 1: thinks that's not on TV, that it doesn't count. Well,
Speaker 1: that's not that's not true. The people that kind out
Speaker 1: love it, I mean, the fans have a blast it's
Speaker 1: way different. You know. It's like it's like a mini
Speaker 1: waste management type tournament, is what it is, because you
Speaker 1: have only so many fans, but you have concerts and
Speaker 1: we have all these things going on, music on the course.
Speaker 1: Fan interaction with the players is phenomenal. It's way different
Speaker 1: than people, you know, but people are so stuck in
Speaker 1: the fact that these guys left the PGA Tour, so
Speaker 1: you know it has to be terrible. We're only gonna
Speaker 1: stay with the PGA Tour because the PGA Tour loves us.
Speaker 1: The PGA Tour doesn't love the fans. They don't They
Speaker 1: love them because they come out and pay money and
Speaker 1: these kind of things. That's why the PGA Tour would
Speaker 1: love the fan. And that's it. You know, It's not
Speaker 1: like I don't know why if the fans came out
Speaker 1: and actually experienced the live event like Miami was unbelievable,
Speaker 1: It was so awesome, if they would give it a
Speaker 1: chance and like kind of see that, Hey, you know,
Speaker 1: you got Dustin and Cam and Brooks and Bryson and
Speaker 1: Phil and and you know, Louis and all these Sergio
Speaker 1: and all these great players playing and if we just
Speaker 1: watched this and go get to watch great players play
Speaker 1: as opposed to we hate them because they took this
Speaker 1: money and they called blood money and sports washing and
Speaker 1: all of a sudden crap that all the media has
Speaker 1: you know, thrown at us. You know they've already been
Speaker 1: it's already bring the rain hole. This is sports wash,
Speaker 1: this is blood money. This can't be real. You know,
Speaker 1: it's exhibition. It doesn't count. That's enough there. If they
Speaker 1: would give it a fair chance, it would think they
Speaker 1: would see that it's amazing. Yeah, I mean, listen, I
Speaker 1: think one of the one of the things that's quite
Speaker 1: sad is the quality of golf that that I was
Speaker 1: able to see on live for the eight tournaments and
Speaker 1: on and again and again. I'm I'm working on live
Speaker 1: because that's where the players I coach play. So I
Speaker 1: don't have a beef with the PGA Tour. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't care either way. But what I think is
Speaker 1: it's been a little bit sad is there's been some
Speaker 1: unbelievable golf played. There's been some great shots hit, there
Speaker 1: have been some great finishes down the stretch, and it's
Speaker 1: everything is you know, it's all just it's all bullshit.
Speaker 1: Doesn't mean anything stuff like that. And I mean, what
Speaker 1: has been your favorite part? Take away all the money
Speaker 1: part of it that everybody wants to keep talking about,
Speaker 1: but what has been your favorite part about the seven
Speaker 1: tournaments that you've played and what is what is the
Speaker 1: thing you're looking forward to moving forward with regards to
Speaker 1: your involvement with Live. My my favorite thing about the
Speaker 1: entire deal is the team. And I love the fact
Speaker 1: that that our captain DJ really embraces the team. I mean,
Speaker 1: you're talking about a guy it's gonna make just a
Speaker 1: ship ton of cast this year. Is people don't even
Speaker 1: understand they put If they found out the exact number
Speaker 1: he made, the people would fall down dead. The fact
Speaker 1: that he really does care about the team and he
Speaker 1: was so excited for me playing well on Sunday to
Speaker 1: help him win. I mean must have said times when
Speaker 1: he was proud, he was so happy. That is that
Speaker 1: to me? My favorite part is the teams. Like I
Speaker 1: told you day and day, I'm not gonna beat DJ
Speaker 1: or Brooks or camp Smith or you know a bunch
Speaker 1: of these players, and that's fine. But the team thing.
Speaker 1: If I can count a couple of days to help
Speaker 1: the team win, for me, that is awesome. And the
Speaker 1: fact that I tied our two best players on Sunday
Speaker 1: to help win the team by one, you know, burning
Speaker 1: my second and my second and third to last hole
Speaker 1: and then getting up and down that bucker and then DJ,
Speaker 1: you know two puttying and we win by one, Red
Speaker 1: burning his last hole. For me to be part of
Speaker 1: that mix to help win as opposed to shooting like
Speaker 1: seventy five to cost a team by one, it would
Speaker 1: have been just tragic. But for me, the whole, the
Speaker 1: whole team things are crowd That's my That's literally my
Speaker 1: favorite part of the whole thing is being involved with
Speaker 1: three other players and the caddies and their families and
Speaker 1: you know, knowing that DJ can count on me to
Speaker 1: come through because I've had to do it three time
Speaker 1: this year or my scores kind of had to get
Speaker 1: it in in order for us to win. Now, people
Speaker 1: think I shoot ad every day and I you know,
Speaker 1: I'm not helping the team out at all. And that's
Speaker 1: what sucks is I've gotten so much ship because people
Speaker 1: think I'm just not you know, I walked around sterday
Speaker 1: you every day and cash nine hundred every time, you know,
Speaker 1: and it's it just sucks. But at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, like I said, I don't get the funk.
Speaker 1: If anybody cares they are lights it or not, or
Speaker 1: if they actually think that's happening, I don't care because
Speaker 1: the cash is don't coming in. But the fact of
Speaker 1: the matter is I have helped. And on Sunday when
Speaker 1: I needed to show up because they were four scores
Speaker 1: counting and we all shot seventy and good shot Sevay
Speaker 1: want and we want. It wasn't a damn thing anybody
Speaker 1: could have said. You know, uh, Woodland and Matt Coucher
Speaker 1: were up here at the Flow this week and you
Speaker 1: know they were playing and they were asking, you know,
Speaker 1: how live wells and everything like that, and could you
Speaker 1: know Coach doesn't you know, Coach doesn't really follow anything
Speaker 1: other than coach. And he was like, hey, what what
Speaker 1: what what the guy shoot on Sunday? And I said,
Speaker 1: you know, camp Smith shot seven under and he was like,
Speaker 1: man shooting seven under around that place. And then and
Speaker 1: I said, Coke Crack shot four under. And you know,
Speaker 1: g Dub says, you know what, Patrio and I said,
Speaker 1: you shot two under and and Coach said, manto under
Speaker 1: on that golf course with the wind and the rough
Speaker 1: all the way back. He's like, dude, man, that's a
Speaker 1: that's a good score. And I think you know, when
Speaker 1: you look at a golf course like draw, you know,
Speaker 1: for you, I mean obviously you know you wish you
Speaker 1: had played better at times, right. I know you're really
Speaker 1: disappointed in Bangkok. You got it going on Sunday. You
Speaker 1: know you've already you know, three or four in a
Speaker 1: role and then you know had a bogey and a
Speaker 1: double on the team. You know, I know you really
Speaker 1: felt like you let the team down. But I think
Speaker 1: the way that you finished the year and the golf
Speaker 1: that you played, um, you know, you beat yourself up
Speaker 1: probably more than any player I've ever worked with. I mean,
Speaker 1: I've never seen someone with the worst attitude on the
Speaker 1: golf course than you. And you know my special but
Speaker 1: I talked about a little bit. I did a part
Speaker 1: my podcast earlier that came out this week, but I
Speaker 1: talked about it. I think the fans sometimes that watch
Speaker 1: you guys play golf think that one, golf is always
Speaker 1: easy for you. Two that you as players are always
Speaker 1: supremely confident and always play well. Um, to play good
Speaker 1: on Sunday at the last tournament when it counted. Um,
Speaker 1: do you feel like that's a as much mental as
Speaker 1: it is technical with the stuff that you're trying to
Speaker 1: do in your golf swing. Well, you know, we worked
Speaker 1: pretty hard that week because you know, we got through
Speaker 1: on Monday. You know, I said, we gotta fix this ship.
Speaker 1: We've gotta fix it's goddamn slice and all this other ship.
Speaker 1: So we're not leaving until we get it. And once
Speaker 1: we got the swing groove and this and that. Once
Speaker 1: I started, once I start seeing things go the direction,
Speaker 1: my mental changes immediately because once I see that it's happened,
Speaker 1: I can take that to the course without any doubt
Speaker 1: that it will work. I don't get scared. Well, you know,
Speaker 1: I just you know, I don't want to I don't
Speaker 1: want to take it. I took to the range. I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna go back to my own ship. No, I
Speaker 1: stick with it the whole day once I you know,
Speaker 1: Monday was good, and then Tuesday was better, Wednesday was better.
Speaker 1: And I told you Friday night, I said, going in tomorrow,
Speaker 1: first day with with goods as I'm ready. I'm ready,
Speaker 1: I'm mentally ready, I'm physically physically ready. And when I
Speaker 1: started seeing these shots with the driver room and all
Speaker 1: these other you know, these irons and the wedges, and
Speaker 1: there's no doubt we're gonna win this match. But I
Speaker 1: knew I could show up and I knew that I
Speaker 1: was ready. My attitude was great because I knew I
Speaker 1: could pull off shots and hit things that I needed
Speaker 1: to at the time. So you know, I didn't have
Speaker 1: to try to bail out and guide it. You're not
Speaker 1: doing that around that course, You're not. You can't guide.
Speaker 1: You can't bail out. You can't not. You have to
Speaker 1: be able to hit. And then now that was that
Speaker 1: whole week. We put it in and we didn't change anything,
Speaker 1: and we worked on and we grinded it out by
Speaker 1: Friday night. When I woke up Sunday and Saturday morning,
Speaker 1: I knew we were ready. And then by Sunday morning,
Speaker 1: I knew I was ready to go out and play
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Speaker 1: the interview. What is that what goes to your head
Speaker 1: as as you know as a professional golfer. You know,
Speaker 1: because so many people listening to this podcast struggle with
Speaker 1: the same thing that we were just talking about, right,
Speaker 1: They struggle from going from what they're working on in
Speaker 1: the driving range to taking it to the golf course
Speaker 1: and playing with it in your experience, in the way
Speaker 1: that your brain works. How do you have that balance
Speaker 1: between Okay, I'm I'm, I'm Because on the range it's
Speaker 1: always good, right, I mean, you got a thousand golf balls,
Speaker 1: you can always find something stuff. But when you go
Speaker 1: to the golf course, there's so many consequences to the
Speaker 1: shots that you're going to hit right, and and and
Speaker 1: how have you been able you know, let's use last
Speaker 1: week as an example. Okay, we had a really good
Speaker 1: week of of practice. Right, That's something that a lot
Speaker 1: of people listening will go through. Okay, I've had a
Speaker 1: really good week this week of practicing. So the ability
Speaker 1: to go from the driving range to the golf course,
Speaker 1: that mental space that you have to get in to
Speaker 1: do that. UM, talk me through that process for you. Well,
Speaker 1: like I said, we were we had a great week,
Speaker 1: but every time, every time we got really got started,
Speaker 1: I kept focusing on what we need to do. It
Speaker 1: was it was really being more aware of exactly what
Speaker 1: I need to do to get in the position is
Speaker 1: that we wanted to get into. And then when I
Speaker 1: got on the course for the first time a long time,
Speaker 1: I was really more aware of what I had to do,
Speaker 1: not necessarily worrying about the consequences, but worrying about, Okay,
Speaker 1: I've got to get it started this way off the
Speaker 1: ball so that I will get to hear and if
Speaker 1: I if I do that, it will be good. But
Speaker 1: if I missed one last week, I knew what it was.
Speaker 1: That was kind of the difference I was. I was
Speaker 1: so much more aware. Uh you know, we had thousands
Speaker 1: of balls on that range on on Monday the Friday,
Speaker 1: and I was very aware, and we did our drills
Speaker 1: and we worked on it. When I got to the course,
Speaker 1: I kind of gave it another couple of seconds to
Speaker 1: think about, Okay, this is how it has to go.
Speaker 1: Instead of getting up like a normally do and just
Speaker 1: hit it. So it wasn't necessarily the the consequence I
Speaker 1: was thinking about was the It was the It was
Speaker 1: the you know, the process of getting it too. You know,
Speaker 1: what we were doing on the range so that I
Speaker 1: knew I could hit those shots on the course, that
Speaker 1: that's where I was. It was really a where what
Speaker 1: we've worked on all week, and then by the time
Speaker 1: game time came around, the process was just still the same.
Speaker 1: So mentally I was a much better place thinking about
Speaker 1: just what we had worked on. You know, you're a
Speaker 1: really fast player. You've always played really really fast. Your
Speaker 1: personality is you know, people see your golf swing and
Speaker 1: your your your game kind of match your personal Do
Speaker 1: you think sometimes that the speed which you play can
Speaker 1: maybe take away some of the process of what you're
Speaker 1: trying to do. They can, And I thought, I thought
Speaker 1: last week I played a little slower, you know, I
Speaker 1: slowed down a little bit because you know, with that course,
Speaker 1: you really got to be precise on where you're going.
Speaker 1: So it's night talked about more lines, where are we gone?
Speaker 1: And then you know I was actually making more practice
Speaker 1: swings with my you know, trying to get my position
Speaker 1: and stuff like that, which I don't usually do, but
Speaker 1: I knew I had to concentrate more on that to
Speaker 1: hit this shot that I was looking for. And I think,
Speaker 1: you know, just overall, I had an a whole different
Speaker 1: version of myself on the course as far as preparation,
Speaker 1: mental preparation, you know, you know, prep before each shot
Speaker 1: and kind of visualizing what I had way more visualizations
Speaker 1: what I thought was going to happen on each shot.
Speaker 1: The shot you hit, you know, I talked about it
Speaker 1: on on on the podcast I put out earlier this
Speaker 1: last week. Um, the shot you hit on nine the ninth, Hold,
Speaker 1: what was nine to part three? Um, you were finishing
Speaker 1: on you you started on twelve, so you're finishing your nine,
Speaker 1: ten eleven, So nine the distances one, it was two
Speaker 1: or seven, two or seven of the labs right off
Speaker 1: the lab, and we knew it was a perfect six iron.
Speaker 1: And I told you it's got to trust this ship
Speaker 1: this time, I said, you know, because all fucking week
Speaker 1: got hit it over there, laughed, laughed, laughed. I'm it's
Speaker 1: not time to hit a laugh. Yeah. And there's water,
Speaker 1: I mean there's missing to the right, there's water. There's
Speaker 1: nowhere to miss it to the right. No, no, I'm
Speaker 1: swinging out to the right. Are are our deal? Let's
Speaker 1: swing out to the right. And I just said, you
Speaker 1: know what, I'm going with it, and I got this
Speaker 1: is the time I've got to hit the shot. And
Speaker 1: it came out like a laser and it just held
Speaker 1: dead straight, and then the wind didn't touch it and
Speaker 1: didn't drawn and fade. It was just a dead straight
Speaker 1: laser right where I was talking on the l that
Speaker 1: was black behind on the on the stands back there,
Speaker 1: I go, that's that shot. Was unbelievable. And then do
Speaker 1: you feel that path when you hit a shot like
Speaker 1: that under pressure? We stand up and you say, okay,
Speaker 1: this is a shot I need to hit right. Everybody,
Speaker 1: during the course of a round of golf, especially at
Speaker 1: the professional level, there's going to be a shot that
Speaker 1: where you have to stand up and say, all right,
Speaker 1: if we're gonna win this golf tournament as the team
Speaker 1: it was a team competition, I've got to stand up
Speaker 1: after you hit that shot. What's going through your mind?
Speaker 1: Are you saying to yourself? Is it relief? Is it
Speaker 1: I can do that again? Is it? What is what?
Speaker 1: What are you saying to yourself in your head as
Speaker 1: you're walking off between you've just executed the shot the
Speaker 1: way because I think so many people listening they beat
Speaker 1: themselves up about the good shots. Right they stand up,
Speaker 1: they hit a good shot, and they'll say, oh, now
Speaker 1: I hit a good shot, you know now, and they
Speaker 1: don't take any real positivity and embrace what they've just done. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I took it as the work and paid off. I
Speaker 1: put in the time. I put in the work I
Speaker 1: needed to hit the shot. I trusted him and I
Speaker 1: hit it. So I left they're feeling, you know what,
Speaker 1: I deserved that shot. I did my time, I put in.
Speaker 1: You know, that's why I put it all that time,
Speaker 1: was to stand up there be able to hit that shot.
Speaker 1: And I was happy. I was happy, you know, I
Speaker 1: felt like, yeah, I felt like it was deserved. And
Speaker 1: so then you go to so then the tent toll
Speaker 1: now the opposite water all the way down the left
Speaker 1: hand side, kind of a dog leg around the corner. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, not around the corner, but just a dog
Speaker 1: leg from right to left. Um, you've got to stand up,
Speaker 1: you know it. If you bail one out to the
Speaker 1: right with the driver, you know, the roughest brutal it's
Speaker 1: and and you stood up and you hit another really
Speaker 1: really good shot. Do you do you think that the
Speaker 1: shot before and the mental space that you were able
Speaker 1: to get into to say, okay, I've just got to
Speaker 1: stand up and trust what I'm doing allowed you to
Speaker 1: make a really aggressive, good drivers swing on tent. Yeah.
Speaker 1: You know, Plus we hit how many drivers? The driving
Speaker 1: range where we were hitting was, I mean probably fifty
Speaker 1: yards from where that t shot was. It was the
Speaker 1: same direction, was the same wind, So I hit a
Speaker 1: hundreds hundreds of driving with that same wind. So I'm
Speaker 1: thinking to myself, it's the same as a driving Roos almost.
Speaker 1: You know, we had our when we had our fare way.
Speaker 1: We picked those two trees in the rage, so I
Speaker 1: visualized those two trees. I'm like, it's gonna start off
Speaker 1: this one and it's gonna draw. So I had all
Speaker 1: that once again go back to the vigitalization, and all
Speaker 1: those thoughts from fifty are the right of me. I'm thinking, Okay,
Speaker 1: the water's out there, I'm just gonna turn it off
Speaker 1: this I'm gonna work it with the shape of the
Speaker 1: of the water. And it came round at the center
Speaker 1: and it was exactly what I had visioned, but again,
Speaker 1: what we had worked on for six days to get
Speaker 1: to that point. It wasn't necessarily, it wasn't relieved. It
Speaker 1: was I deserve that because I put in the work
Speaker 1: and I trusted it and I did it. I stand
Speaker 1: up there, you know, I stood up there and showed
Speaker 1: my balls. And that was in fucking Poe. Um. We've
Speaker 1: we've heard a lot about this divide between you know,
Speaker 1: the guys that are stolen the PGA tour the guys
Speaker 1: that have gone to live. Um. I was in the
Speaker 1: car with you, um when we were going out on
Speaker 1: Sunday night, and you know, Padrick Harrington messaged you. You said,
Speaker 1: you've got a message from John rom. Um. Have there
Speaker 1: been other players that are on the PGA tour that
Speaker 1: I've reached out to you now that the season's over.
Speaker 1: I got a text from Justin Thomas Monday boarding because said, hey, man,
Speaker 1: I'm so happy for he congrats that to night. And
Speaker 1: I was like, you know, that's pretty cool. You know
Speaker 1: I think I think like with with like rom and Justin,
Speaker 1: I think they see the look this guy played twenty
Speaker 1: one years you know, you know it could be towards
Speaker 1: the end of his PJA Tory career more than likely.
Speaker 1: But the fact that he gotta he gotta break. You know,
Speaker 1: he showed up on he showed up on Sunday, shot
Speaker 1: seventy on Durral. You know, I think they just recognized
Speaker 1: that I've played well. And you know, everybody knows DJ
Speaker 1: is the guy and Cam's the guy in this and now.
Speaker 1: But I think people have realized, you know, hey, here's
Speaker 1: a guy, you know, because that's kind of been a
Speaker 1: you know, average player's whole career and grinded it out,
Speaker 1: kept his card forever, got to DIB and he got
Speaker 1: a break, and he had to show up on Sunday
Speaker 1: to help his team, and he did. I think I
Speaker 1: think those guys realize, you know, I'm not a threat
Speaker 1: to Justin Thomas or you know, any of those top players,
Speaker 1: you know, Scheffler and all these other guys. They know
Speaker 1: I'm not a threat tongue. But and they can't really
Speaker 1: be mad that I left, because you know, if you
Speaker 1: look at the breakdown, right, I'm not gonna be and
Speaker 1: I would never be in the pit. I wouldn't be
Speaker 1: in the sixties. I'm not gonna get five hundred grands,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna make more math and you know I'm not
Speaker 1: qualified for the five thousand. So it's like they see
Speaker 1: a guy going, Hey, you know, this guy grinded it out.
Speaker 1: He's on DJ's team. DJ's obviously the world beater, you know,
Speaker 1: for his team, and this and that. I think they
Speaker 1: just saw his Hey. I think they were generally happy
Speaker 1: for me that I showed up, and they don't see
Speaker 1: me as a threat, so they're like, I think they're
Speaker 1: just genuinely happy for But it was nice here and
Speaker 1: I heard from Web Simpson, Aaron Badley, um, the same thing. Congrats.
Speaker 1: You know, I thought it was pretty cool. I thought
Speaker 1: it was pretty cool, you know, because justin Thomas, you know,
Speaker 1: he's he's a world player, he just played phenomenal in
Speaker 1: the President's Cup. He's he's a phenomenal player. You know,
Speaker 1: it's phenomenal. But he's obviously anti Litt, you know, for
Speaker 1: whatever reasons he is. And that's fine, it's fine. But
Speaker 1: the fact that he reached out and and you know, congratulating,
Speaker 1: I thought that was I thought that was pretty I
Speaker 1: think it's a little bit like other sports. If you play,
Speaker 1: if you played any downs in the NFL that they
Speaker 1: talk about, there's a brotherhood that if you played in
Speaker 1: in you know, in the NFL, if you played in
Speaker 1: Major League Baseball, if you played in basketball. UM, I
Speaker 1: think that the thing people ask me all the time,
Speaker 1: you know, Live PJ Tour, and you know, I'm a
Speaker 1: fan of golfers. I'm a fan of golf swings. I'm
Speaker 1: a fan of watching golfers hit shots. And I think that,
Speaker 1: you know, regardless of I remember when Brooks was still
Speaker 1: playing on the Challenge Tour and UM in thirteen he
Speaker 1: qualified for the the Open Championship. He and Peter u
Speaker 1: Line qualified and they played a practice round with UM.
Speaker 1: They played in the money games of Phil and and
Speaker 1: Ricky Fowler. Uh my dad was working with with with
Speaker 1: both of them at the time. Still went on to
Speaker 1: win that week at Mirrorfield. But we played a practice
Speaker 1: round and they're playing the money games. So Peter and
Speaker 1: and and Brooks are playing Phil and and Ricky and
Speaker 1: you know, Phil was he was like, man, this this
Speaker 1: kid looks you know, this book skin. He looks pretty good.
Speaker 1: Where's he playing? I said, you know, he's playing on
Speaker 1: the Challenge Tour. And I said, listen, he hasn't done
Speaker 1: anything on the on the European Tour yet or the
Speaker 1: PGA Tour, But I said, you know, he's playing on
Speaker 1: the Challenge show and he's shooting a lot of really
Speaker 1: low scores on the Challenge Shore and Brooks was he
Speaker 1: was shooting, you know, sixty two, sixty three, sixty fours
Speaker 1: to win, and I said, yeah, I mean, it's the
Speaker 1: Challenge Shore and Phil will never forget this, he said,
Speaker 1: Golf is golf. I don't care where you're playing. If
Speaker 1: you're shooting low numbers, it doesn't matter if it's high
Speaker 1: school golf, college golf, a tour here or tour there.
Speaker 1: The shots are the shots. The you have to hit
Speaker 1: the shots. And I think that, you know, it's cool
Speaker 1: that those guys reached out to you because they understand
Speaker 1: that they have the same job that you've got. Right,
Speaker 1: you're trying to play competitive golf for a living, and
Speaker 1: anybody that thinks that that's easy is mistaken. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think sometimes I think the people listening in the
Speaker 1: fans think golf is a hell of a lot easier
Speaker 1: than you guys do that play it for a living
Speaker 1: and that are the best players in the world. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's not easy. It's not easy at all. Nobody, nobody
Speaker 1: plays professional a level. Any tour has these You're still
Speaker 1: trying to meet the guys that are around here. It
Speaker 1: doesn't matter if we're not playing against the thomas Is
Speaker 1: and Rory's and Rohm's every week, we're still playing against
Speaker 1: DJ and and Sergio and and and uh, you know,
Speaker 1: Cam Smith and these guys. I mean, it's it's it's
Speaker 1: a different tour. But I think, you know, people gotta
Speaker 1: realize that it just is what it is. And then golf,
Speaker 1: you know, you said the golf is golf. It's it's unfortunately,
Speaker 1: the unfortunate thing is where the game is right now.
Speaker 1: It's unfortunate that you know, we couldn't have come to
Speaker 1: more of an agree agree. But I think I think
Speaker 1: Monahan's completely fuck this whole thing up by not at
Speaker 1: least taking a call from the Live group, Like I
Speaker 1: told you, yeah, they what he's done. What he did
Speaker 1: was turned down our money. And I've told us to
Speaker 1: multiple players, SA, if you don't take a phone call
Speaker 1: from a company or a group that wants to invest
Speaker 1: billions of dollars into it, at least listen to it.
Speaker 1: You know, at least take the phone call, listen to
Speaker 1: it and go, hey, why don't we think about this,
Speaker 1: Let's see if it's good for us? This and that. Okay, fine,
Speaker 1: at least we get at least we get a look
Speaker 1: at it. But the fact that he didn't, you know,
Speaker 1: and I think it's gotten so so divided now unfortunately
Speaker 1: that I just don't. I don't see any repair him
Speaker 1: at all. So do you, I mean, do you think
Speaker 1: that you know? Because I get asked a lot of questions.
Speaker 1: You know, where does golf happen? Where does it go? Now?
Speaker 1: Do you think that there will now be two tours?
Speaker 1: They'll be the PGA Tour and the people that play
Speaker 1: on that, and there will be the live guys and
Speaker 1: the people that play on that tour, and there will
Speaker 1: be separate because originally, I think a lot of eyes
Speaker 1: at the beginning. You know, when we were in London.
Speaker 1: You know you were part of the lawsuit. You backed
Speaker 1: out of that. Um do you do you regret being
Speaker 1: part of the lawsuit? You know? I do, and I
Speaker 1: don't because the only reason I joined it was not
Speaker 1: to go back for the PJ tour. The only reason
Speaker 1: I did it was too back you know, there's two
Speaker 1: guys on my team and then there was basically some
Speaker 1: other friends that we're fighting for it now, but I
Speaker 1: wanted nothing to do it. That's why I pulled out,
Speaker 1: you know of it, because I'm not interested in going back.
Speaker 1: I knew once I decided that I was leaving the
Speaker 1: PGA tour, I was done forever. I don't have the
Speaker 1: name or the fight to go to the tour saying look,
Speaker 1: you guys need me, I need to be part of this. No,
Speaker 1: they don't need me at all, just like tour players
Speaker 1: are on there, they don't need any of them. So
Speaker 1: you know, I knew that leaving, So yeah, it was
Speaker 1: unfortunately got thrown in the mix, but I pulled out.
Speaker 1: I got a text from Brian Harmon saying, hey, thanks
Speaker 1: for you know, pulling out less. I said, Brian, you
Speaker 1: know you and I talked for hundreds of hours on
Speaker 1: the tour about where is all this goddamn money going?
Speaker 1: Where is everything going? Why are we at a pocket?
Speaker 1: Where's all the spots of money? Where's all these things?
Speaker 1: Thats and I have fought for twenty years in that
Speaker 1: tour for the things that you finally have gotten. So
Speaker 1: you know, and people know that. You know, I've been
Speaker 1: I was out there so long. I always asked Monahan
Speaker 1: and a pastor and all these guys, where the hell
Speaker 1: is on the money going? Why are we at a pocket?
Speaker 1: How can you guys are flying around you know, G
Speaker 1: four and stay at the Ritz and eded Morton's every night,
Speaker 1: you know, and the players are worried about missing the cotton,
Speaker 1: being out seven eight grand, But you guys standing there
Speaker 1: together every Sunday giving away you know, twelve to fifteen
Speaker 1: million dollars to charity, which totally wrong. I'm on for charity,
Speaker 1: I'm all for it. It's great what the tour does
Speaker 1: for the communities, but why not take care of everybody
Speaker 1: that's helping you get that money away? Why is everybody
Speaker 1: out you know, why are seventy five guys going all
Speaker 1: with the holder pocket? And that kind of piste me off.
Speaker 1: But yeah, you know, the lawsuit thing is I think,
Speaker 1: you know, I understand why I got like Phil. You know,
Speaker 1: he's got lifetime exemptions. You know, with forty six wins,
Speaker 1: I understand why he's met he has earned the right
Speaker 1: to do that. But you know, once again, everybody leaving
Speaker 1: should have known that Monahan was dead serious about when
Speaker 1: he said it three times, when you leave, you're gonna
Speaker 1: be suspended. Maybe I was the only one to thought
Speaker 1: that because I knew once I left, I was gonna
Speaker 1: be done. And that's why, you know, we had multiple
Speaker 1: conversations during during London, like I've got to make sure
Speaker 1: that I'm gonna be part of this for a minute,
Speaker 1: because I know I can't go back and my career
Speaker 1: on the on the PGA Tour and the Champions Tour
Speaker 1: is over. So that's why I was a little hesitant
Speaker 1: out of the game. But you know, and I thought
Speaker 1: I'll back the guys in the lawsuit, but it was
Speaker 1: it was stupid. I shouldn't have done anyway. I don't
Speaker 1: want to do anything part of that because I don't
Speaker 1: want to go back to PJA Tour. You know. I wish,
Speaker 1: I wish it could have been something earlier in time,
Speaker 1: that maybe it could have worked where everybody could have
Speaker 1: got along. But it's just not gonna happen now. Unfortunate,
Speaker 1: it's not an appen I saw a rock a mediate
Speaker 1: yesterday on a podcast we're saying, you know, he he
Speaker 1: he thinks that the guys that live you know should
Speaker 1: just say thank you, because, um, everything in their life
Speaker 1: has happened because of the PGA Tour. There is an
Speaker 1: argument to be made, path that the tour, the PGA Tour,
Speaker 1: offered you and everyone else an enormous opportunity and a platform.
Speaker 1: And there is a sentiment of I think a lot
Speaker 1: of people that are still on the PGA Tour that work,
Speaker 1: you know for the tour in Pontovidra, that listen, we
Speaker 1: gave you this platform and you should be thankful for that. No,
Speaker 1: I understand, And I I said in my when I
Speaker 1: pulled up interview, I said, look, I said, I thank
Speaker 1: the tour. They gave me a one wonderful opportunity for
Speaker 1: twenty one years to play on the tour. But again
Speaker 1: they didn't give me anything. They gave him. You don't
Speaker 1: make any money. Yeah, I said, they gave us an opportunity,
Speaker 1: they created something that's amazing that you can play professional
Speaker 1: golf and played for all. This mightunus this, but yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's always it's it's I mean I've always
Speaker 1: thought that without the without the players, there is no
Speaker 1: PGA Tour, right and and to me, um, if I
Speaker 1: was going to be critical, of the PGA Tour. Listen,
Speaker 1: I was never a player. Um so I'm just speaking
Speaker 1: of my experience. It always struck me that the tour
Speaker 1: thought that they were the product, not the players. It
Speaker 1: always struck me that the tour made every bone feel
Speaker 1: like and and we did it right. We we called
Speaker 1: we called everybody that worked jamnahand Andy Pasner and Ross
Speaker 1: ber Litt. But we we as as people on the
Speaker 1: PJ we call them the tour. But you're you were
Speaker 1: the tour. When you were on the PGA tour, You
Speaker 1: and and Rory McElroy and Jordan's Speet and all of
Speaker 1: the people that played. You guys were the two And
Speaker 1: I think one of the things that live his coming
Speaker 1: in and and for the first time they're being competition. Um.
Speaker 1: I think people are realizing that, wait a minute, we
Speaker 1: were treated as specifically. We've heard a lot. I've experienced it.
Speaker 1: I know you have as well a lot of people
Speaker 1: that ask me, this is what is so different about
Speaker 1: being on the live tour versus the PGA Tour. I've
Speaker 1: got my own faults on that. Taking the money part aside, right,
Speaker 1: because everybody knows, you know, people got paid, right. People
Speaker 1: some people got the bag, you know, Brooks, DJ Phil.
Speaker 1: They secured the bag for life, which I don't have
Speaker 1: a problem with. I don't have problem with Rory McElroy
Speaker 1: flying around in the plane that he flies around with
Speaker 1: his initials on the engine on the back, and Tiger
Speaker 1: as well, because they they're not giving those things away.
Speaker 1: You can you can't, You can't you with Nie with
Speaker 1: Ernie Els, did Tiger Woods did all the great players.
Speaker 1: You can't do that without being a great player. Um,
Speaker 1: what hit you felt has been the main difference in
Speaker 1: the way that you feel playing live versus playing on
Speaker 1: the PGA Tour. And nothing to do with the money
Speaker 1: side of things. No, No, it's not the money that
Speaker 1: I feel like that. It's a group that actually cares
Speaker 1: about me, and they cared about all forty eight of us,
Speaker 1: and the caddies and the coaches and the families and everything.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, alright, bring it up, but you
Speaker 1: know you had you know, I had a problem with
Speaker 1: one of these goddamn caddies. Caddy stole money twice from
Speaker 1: me out of my wallet. I found him. FBI report,
Speaker 1: police report. Doctor I was on Mona. Hans asked Paszers
Speaker 1: asked for years on this ship, and all they kept
Speaker 1: tom is well he didn't see him actually take it,
Speaker 1: so you know this, but we can't take his livelihood
Speaker 1: and let him take my money. So you're protecting him like, oh,
Speaker 1: you're protecting well, you know, it's not really like us.
Speaker 1: It's just there was a situation where a case all
Speaker 1: my money and they were never behind me. I was
Speaker 1: always fucking pissed that they never tried to help out,
Speaker 1: never thought about. But if I was a big enough name,
Speaker 1: he would have been gone. The good thing on that
Speaker 1: deal is that he will never be on the lip.
Speaker 1: We've already we've already secured that they'll never be I'll
Speaker 1: never have to see him again because they'll never be
Speaker 1: on the lip, which is phenomenal. But it's just it's
Speaker 1: a little ship like that. Then if you had a promise,
Speaker 1: it's you know, we gotta let's see what we can do,
Speaker 1: you know. It's yeah, we don't know, we don't we
Speaker 1: don't think it can help down And it was always
Speaker 1: that way the live group with Norman and and and
Speaker 1: everybody part. They can't do enough. They can't help enough,
Speaker 1: you know, and unless they I need to be catered
Speaker 1: to know, I don't need anything. I don't. I'm easy.
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't need a lot of ship. But
Speaker 1: if I actually have a legitimate question and a problem,
Speaker 1: they can't do enough. But they've already kind of covered
Speaker 1: it all. The way they treat us, the way everything
Speaker 1: goes into it, the caddies alone, you know, everything, flights, hotels, transportation, food, everything,
Speaker 1: the term us, the way they're set up everything at
Speaker 1: the tournament. It's just it's it's it's pretty good. It's
Speaker 1: really good. But to go back to your original you
Speaker 1: had a question today about you know, about the two tours,
Speaker 1: it's actually three tours. Now you have the Lift Tour,
Speaker 1: you have the elite of the PGA Tour, and then
Speaker 1: you have the other schedule. What's the other nine of
Speaker 1: the guys are going to play for? Which is a
Speaker 1: lot of the Island Tour, you know, and all these
Speaker 1: other all these other deals. If you're part of the
Speaker 1: sixty and the p I P you're basically in your
Speaker 1: own schedule, and then the rest of those guys that
Speaker 1: aren't are another tour, and then you have the Lift
Speaker 1: tours going forward into when you know in twenty three
Speaker 1: and four, it's astical gonna be three tours. I mean,
Speaker 1: obviously you have your own feelings about personally about Phil,
Speaker 1: but I mean the things that Phil talked about that
Speaker 1: he thought we were wrong with the PGA tour and
Speaker 1: where they could make changes. Do you feel like a
Speaker 1: lot of the things that he brought up he's been
Speaker 1: vindicated on because all of a sudden, you know, there
Speaker 1: is a earned assurance program on the PGA Tour so
Speaker 1: that if you don't make enough money, you've got money.
Speaker 1: The the European Tour, the DFE World Tour today just
Speaker 1: did the exact same thing. A hut hundred and fifty grand,
Speaker 1: you play fifteen events and stuff like that. Um, it's
Speaker 1: naive to think that without I think anybody that thinks
Speaker 1: that all of this would have happened that live never
Speaker 1: come around. I think we're never gonna happen. It was
Speaker 1: never gonna happen. We can ask him by first, but
Speaker 1: I'll tell you where it all happen. I'll tell you
Speaker 1: the fault and the problem is the players in the past.
Speaker 1: You know, deadheads like Fred Couples, you know those assholes
Speaker 1: that that could have done all this back in the
Speaker 1: day and said, look where your product we're bringing this
Speaker 1: all to you. Where is the money? Why are we
Speaker 1: not being taken care of? You know? And they want
Speaker 1: to be mad at us. All the are players. They
Speaker 1: want to be mad at us because this all this
Speaker 1: showed you know, this all showed up. But they should
Speaker 1: be mad at the PGA tour as well for going
Speaker 1: you're guaranteeing these guys money. Now you're doing this, You're
Speaker 1: doing this, You're giving him a p I P. Think
Speaker 1: about how much Fred Couples Davis loved, you know, all
Speaker 1: these guys back in the day, John Dailey. Think about
Speaker 1: how much John Dayley would have made the p I P.
Speaker 1: I mean fucking with one every year, right, who was
Speaker 1: more popular than John Daly. He's still he's still probably
Speaker 1: arguable top five name in the game today. They still
Speaker 1: want to see him play. So how much what do
Speaker 1: he made the p I P? You know, how do
Speaker 1: you win two majors and not get picked for the
Speaker 1: Ryder Cup team? I mean who they who ever won
Speaker 1: a major didn't play the Ryder Cup twice? You know,
Speaker 1: So there's all these other players. They should be mad
Speaker 1: at themselves. You know, they want to talk about us
Speaker 1: and this is that. But isn't an amazing how it's
Speaker 1: always the guys that played a long time that then
Speaker 1: took the money and like, oh, these guys are greeding
Speaker 1: this this, But none of those guys care about anybody
Speaker 1: that played like three or four years that around of
Speaker 1: the game, right, No one cares about those guys, you know,
Speaker 1: the names in the past. But it's it's funny to
Speaker 1: me that it's the older generation that could have started
Speaker 1: this a long time ago, going, why are you guys
Speaker 1: are giving away all this money to charity? You know,
Speaker 1: we're driving it out for a hundred eighty eight thousand
Speaker 1: dollars first place, you know, last places, sucking Ford Ran.
Speaker 1: It's not the expenses changed. The expenses are still the
Speaker 1: same amount. It's just the money has gone through the
Speaker 1: roof because of you know, because of Tigre really and
Speaker 1: then but now all these players are making so much money,
Speaker 1: and then what are you doing? You give them more money?
Speaker 1: So it's the this this two these older guys that
Speaker 1: couples in love and all these other guys should be
Speaker 1: madder in hell at both tours. One the fact that
Speaker 1: all these limp guys are making so much but now
Speaker 1: the PGA tour is gonna take care of all these
Speaker 1: kids that are making a fortune and the older generation
Speaker 1: got nothing. That's the literal matterfault. Let's take a quick break, yeah,
Speaker 1: and we are back. You live in Scottsdale. I live
Speaker 1: in in Jupiter, UM, you know, which is filled with
Speaker 1: people that currently play professional golf um on the PGA
Speaker 1: Tour on live. And then there are loads of people
Speaker 1: in both those towns that used to play on the
Speaker 1: PGA Tour that like you said that, you know a
Speaker 1: name that springs to mind here that you know that
Speaker 1: that we see all the time, who was a really
Speaker 1: good player, Steve Marino. You've got to think a guy
Speaker 1: like Steve Marino is looking at what's going on on
Speaker 1: the PGA Tour going where where was this when I
Speaker 1: was playing? Where was this when I got injured? Right?
Speaker 1: Exactly like my boy Robert Gergas he text me on
Speaker 1: he said, could grasp him so happy for he got done.
Speaker 1: Here's a guy that's struggling like hell to get into tournaments,
Speaker 1: make cuts. You know, this is how he played. He
Speaker 1: played tour fifteen years. I think to talk at this
Speaker 1: ship about him, No, not at least nobody. They don't
Speaker 1: care there, right, now the tour it cares about their cash, cows, Wo's,
Speaker 1: other Mcaroys and Shuffler's and Thomas and you know. And
Speaker 1: that's fine. But if you're not in that sixth year
Speaker 1: the p I P and they don't give a damn
Speaker 1: about you, I promise you to where where do you
Speaker 1: think lives next year? At this time? Do you think
Speaker 1: do you see a TV deal in the future? Do
Speaker 1: you see more players? I mean Greg Norman just came
Speaker 1: out yesterday and said that they're they're identifying more players
Speaker 1: that they'd like to sign up. Do you think that
Speaker 1: people are going to be surprised in November of um
Speaker 1: at where live is relative to where it is now
Speaker 1: or do you think that people will be saying, see,
Speaker 1: I told you so, I told you it wouldn't work.
Speaker 1: I told you that it wasn't gonna be what it
Speaker 1: was gonna be. It's gonna work. It's gonna work because
Speaker 1: one they have the cash and credit target lights out.
Speaker 1: The tour doesn't. The tour is banking on all their sponsors.
Speaker 1: They had to go this route. They had to go
Speaker 1: to these elevated events and make whether they say not,
Speaker 1: they're they're not forcing their players to play. But they
Speaker 1: are because these sponsors that the tour have are not
Speaker 1: going to continue to write these huge as checks if
Speaker 1: those players don't show up. The great thing about lives,
Speaker 1: you know, you know roughly when we get there are
Speaker 1: new players coming, and there's some there's some good names
Speaker 1: coming that all foury of those guys are gonna play
Speaker 1: all fourteen weeks. That's guaranteed. So and then on again,
Speaker 1: the tour copied that that model of an elevated event
Speaker 1: twenty million nothing. They copied the whole thing. All this
Speaker 1: money's coming out p I p O. It's some the
Speaker 1: craft care to. It's just a directly said it's a
Speaker 1: direct copy of what they lived in. They of course
Speaker 1: they they copy that. But I think they're either gonna
Speaker 1: make a TV station or they're gonna get on. But
Speaker 1: they're gonna get TV because there's always only people gonna
Speaker 1: do around and going brow. We've got we've got this
Speaker 1: event going on which has one major winner, the PGA Tour.
Speaker 1: Well you've got this event over here that's got fifteen
Speaker 1: major winners. Then they're not on TV. We've got to
Speaker 1: get this on TV. It's gonna happen. And three you
Speaker 1: gotta know the Live group, they're so far ahead of
Speaker 1: what they thought they were gonna be after eight events,
Speaker 1: you know, with Phil stupid comments in February and all
Speaker 1: that stuff, and then people getting kind of scared, you know,
Speaker 1: then everybody's signing, and then what happened after this eight
Speaker 1: events has been unbelievable. And I don't see him slow down,
Speaker 1: you know, the you know yaster and margin. They are
Speaker 1: so excited about where they're at and going forward, and
Speaker 1: they know they have this vision of you know, the
Speaker 1: Formula one model that's going to take place now, the
Speaker 1: team aspect is gonna start on next year. I think
Speaker 1: by the end of twenty three, I think this thing
Speaker 1: is just flying. Do you think that in ten years
Speaker 1: will look back at this as being bad for golf,
Speaker 1: for professional golf or good for professional golf. What's bad
Speaker 1: about it is that they could have joined with the
Speaker 1: PGA Tour. That's what That's the bad thing. I think
Speaker 1: in the end, that's where the decision was gonna It
Speaker 1: was bad. I think the fact that you didn't even meet,
Speaker 1: you didn't take the phone call again, you just shoot
Speaker 1: him away, and then they thought, oh, these guys aren't
Speaker 1: gonna leave because we're the PGA Tour. They're not gonna
Speaker 1: leave us. We're the big dog. No one's leaving us.
Speaker 1: The money doesn't matter. Okay, well that was obviously false.
Speaker 1: I think I really don't know. In ten years, I
Speaker 1: don't know what, you know, whether it's gonna be good
Speaker 1: or bad. It could be a little bit of both.
Speaker 1: I think that's unfortunate that you know that, you know,
Speaker 1: we've taken so much ship over the last five months,
Speaker 1: and the people are just mad because they're mad for
Speaker 1: whatever reason, you know, if they think everybody's overpaid, and
Speaker 1: you know, you know, it's the money aspect of it.
Speaker 1: For me is it's so interesting to watch people talk
Speaker 1: about that fixate on Hunt. But the football stadiums in
Speaker 1: the NFL are filled baseball stadiums. People go watch basketball,
Speaker 1: people go watch They're now paying college athletes, UM, the
Speaker 1: colleges in in in America. You know, the money that
Speaker 1: Alabama brings in for amateur football, not even professional football.
Speaker 1: And nobody has any problem with any of that. And
Speaker 1: so and then obviously Tiger Woods coming out and talking about,
Speaker 1: you know, where is the incentive to have to practice
Speaker 1: and play with guaranteed money? UM? That's the stupidest server
Speaker 1: heard my life, because that as one of the stupidest
Speaker 1: things I think he has said. The incentive is the
Speaker 1: fact that last place is a d thousand, first places
Speaker 1: four billion. He cannot win four million on the PGA Tour.
Speaker 1: Next year, you might will they finally up the purse.
Speaker 1: But last time I checked, he's signed a forty million
Speaker 1: dollar deal right at a college was flying on the
Speaker 1: Nike jet he found in senator to go. He could
Speaker 1: have shut it down right then. He did. He did
Speaker 1: pretty good with all the guarantees up front. He had
Speaker 1: a lot of guarantees, you know what, and he was
Speaker 1: the hottest thing. He's made so much money off the course.
Speaker 1: He found it and sent him to go. But again
Speaker 1: he only played how many tournaments he didn't go? I
Speaker 1: never saw him John Dear never saw him, you know,
Speaker 1: supporting all these events that you know, he played the majors.
Speaker 1: By the w G season, that was it. He played
Speaker 1: Tori never played Riff. You know. It's like, but he's
Speaker 1: worth every time. In fact, I guess that he's two
Speaker 1: billions short of where he should be. I think for
Speaker 1: guys changed the game first phenomenals. He was you know,
Speaker 1: and the best part, but you'll never see another guy Kim.
Speaker 1: And the same thing is, you'll never see another guy
Speaker 1: like Phil. There's nobody playing the game today that we'll
Speaker 1: have forty six wins as great as Wordy is. Do
Speaker 1: you think he's gonna win twenty two more times or
Speaker 1: whatever the hell it is? Four? No, I don't see it.
Speaker 1: He's gonna catchman majors. Rory should have fifteen majors by now.
Speaker 1: You know, that's how phenomenal he is. I mean, he's
Speaker 1: the best driver in the ball I've ever seen it. Ye,
Speaker 1: you know, but maybe he's gonna happen. But yeah, this
Speaker 1: is like this has also been like a rebirth for
Speaker 1: him because he's been so mad, right, he's so mad
Speaker 1: at what happened and this and that, And he wins
Speaker 1: the FedEx, he wins Congrete's number one in the world. Again,
Speaker 1: I think Roy's got a whole different drive on what's
Speaker 1: going on. He could be number one for who knows
Speaker 1: how long. I mean, that's how phenomenal he is. But again,
Speaker 1: I you're just not You're not gonna see those kind
Speaker 1: of players because the incentive, the incentive, the fact that
Speaker 1: you can go from like second place or eight teams
Speaker 1: places have a great Sunday and go from making two
Speaker 1: grand a four million. You cannot do that anywhere. So
Speaker 1: that's the incentive. I mean, you've been out there. You
Speaker 1: were out there every week like I was. You see people,
Speaker 1: guys are everyone's grinding as hard as they ever have
Speaker 1: in their lifetime because not even that you can go
Speaker 1: from making a hundred sixty grand to like one million.
Speaker 1: It's very hard to do on the PGA Tour. Listen, listen.
Speaker 1: I mean the money argument. Um, you know, the PGA
Speaker 1: Tour and j and a lot of people have leaned
Speaker 1: into trophies and legacy and all of that and majors.
Speaker 1: But you and I both know that as soon as
Speaker 1: you win a major championship, right obviously as a player,
Speaker 1: it two huge, huge, I mean, it's it's amazing. But
Speaker 1: you also know that that's going to allow your agent
Speaker 1: for the next five years to bring in a lot
Speaker 1: of money. People that played all over the world always
Speaker 1: wanted to come to the PGA Tour because you knew
Speaker 1: that if you played on the PGA Tour, yes you'd
Speaker 1: have an opportunity to win memorial, Yes you'd have an
Speaker 1: opportunity to play it toy all of the iconic golf courses.
Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, you know that
Speaker 1: you win five times in Asia, five times on the
Speaker 1: European Tour, five times in South Africa, you and five
Speaker 1: times on the US Tour, on the PGA Tour. You know, financially,
Speaker 1: there is a massive, massive reward for that. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: asked the player after he won the US Open. I said,
Speaker 1: you know, what do you think that was worth? He
Speaker 1: told me the numbers. So yeah, that's that's gotta be nice,
Speaker 1: you know, because it's worth back. So I go, man,
Speaker 1: that's that's nice. That takes care of you forever. You know.
Speaker 1: But but you know, you talk about theyone talks about
Speaker 1: legacy and all of sudden crap. I mean, it's it's
Speaker 1: such a joke. I mean, right now, there's there's two
Speaker 1: guys that are, you know, Hall of Fame legacy guys,
Speaker 1: and you know one one doesn't play and one's on
Speaker 1: our tour, and you know the other guys are working
Speaker 1: that way. There's there's top players that are working that way,
Speaker 1: but they gotta win a certain amount of majors before
Speaker 1: they really considered the people consider them you know, in
Speaker 1: the argument of top ten or you know, all time players,
Speaker 1: and a lot of them just aren't there yet, but
Speaker 1: a lot of them think they are. There's a lot
Speaker 1: of tour players out to I think they are unbelievable
Speaker 1: with three or four wins and no major because they're
Speaker 1: making so much money that they think that they're better
Speaker 1: than you know, the players of the past who won
Speaker 1: ten to twenty times. You mentioned the team element of this. UM.
Speaker 1: You've basically played every single practice round UM since June
Speaker 1: with Dustin Johnson. UM, you warm up next to him.
Speaker 1: You've probably spent as much time around DJ as anybody UM,
Speaker 1: as a golfer, as someone that is trying to do
Speaker 1: the same thing that he's doing. UM, how cool has
Speaker 1: that been? And to watch him and the way he plays,
Speaker 1: and and to watch up close pat the way that
Speaker 1: I mean, if you could design a golfer both physically
Speaker 1: but mentally, the way that he plays the game is
Speaker 1: so much fun to watch its way. But he's got Yeah,
Speaker 1: it is, It has been. It has been really funny.
Speaker 1: I got done TJ a lot of the last couple
Speaker 1: of years, you know, when coming closer, but then they haven't,
Speaker 1: you know, he wanted me to his team and to
Speaker 1: spend as much time as I have. Honest, like you said,
Speaker 1: it's unbelible with his prep work and the things nothing
Speaker 1: bothers him, and his routines he does, and the way
Speaker 1: he looks at things. Nothing negative ever comes out of
Speaker 1: his mouth. And to watch him hit the driver and
Speaker 1: hit these long irons and hit these shots like man,
Speaker 1: you can see why he's been so dominant. You know
Speaker 1: why he is such a phenomenal player. Can't toamny six
Speaker 1: four strongs and ox his hands and you know, like
Speaker 1: a vice. He's just he's flexible, he's I mean, it's
Speaker 1: just he's unbelievable to watch playing and uh, it's so cool.
Speaker 1: And you know that, you know, he's still one of
Speaker 1: the best players in the game. I don't care what
Speaker 1: stats they or with none of that crap. I put
Speaker 1: him against anybody that's playing right now. You know, he
Speaker 1: just took down you know, he just I would put
Speaker 1: him against anybody's playing the game right now. And the
Speaker 1: other thing that I don't think DJ and I say
Speaker 1: this all the time and people think I'm crazy. Um,
Speaker 1: I don't think DJ gets enough credit. He's the ultimate
Speaker 1: field player. And you just don't think of him as
Speaker 1: being a field type guy. Now he wants the greens.
Speaker 1: He wants the greens as fast as possible. You know,
Speaker 1: if you look at whose one Augusta and the U
Speaker 1: s open too fast as you can possibly play, you know.
Speaker 1: And he loves act. He likes to drip them down
Speaker 1: and just drip him in. I'm the opposite like to
Speaker 1: you know, like the Bank of Man. That's why I
Speaker 1: never played well and you know anywhere. But you know,
Speaker 1: he is, he is unbelievable. His routine is the way
Speaker 1: he does things every day, his focus, you know, he
Speaker 1: does his workouts, he hits his wedges for forty five
Speaker 1: minutes and then he gets in and it's an all
Speaker 1: day affair for him. And here's a guy that signed
Speaker 1: for a ton of cash up fun and you know
Speaker 1: he made a made a ton on the course. When's
Speaker 1: the individual And still Brian's like he's trying to get
Speaker 1: his tour card for the first time. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: it's it's been, it's been. Interested Back to incent of
Speaker 1: what's the incentive. The incentive is that you can actually
Speaker 1: know and because it doesn't out of money, incentive is
Speaker 1: that you can make, you know, I mean you look
Speaker 1: at you look at what you know. DJ made, you know,
Speaker 1: eighteen million on the individual, another seventeen on the course
Speaker 1: and in that eight weeks there's plenty of the center there.
Speaker 1: You can say it's not about the mind money that
Speaker 1: it is there. It's there. Yeah. And the one thing
Speaker 1: I find about golf is is there is this kind
Speaker 1: of weird thing that you know, you hear stories all
Speaker 1: the time about a guy that you know had to
Speaker 1: you know, sleeping in his car and was working it,
Speaker 1: you know, Walmart to try and you know, pay to
Speaker 1: go to Q school and stuff like that, and you know,
Speaker 1: you know, sleeping you know, on his parents couch and
Speaker 1: everybody you know, for some reason in golf everybody goes,
Speaker 1: oh man and then a great story. I'm like, no,
Speaker 1: that's not a great story story. It's not a great
Speaker 1: story that a guy had to Basically, there's the kid
Speaker 1: that um the guy that works for us. In Dubai
Speaker 1: Su John Su John saying played on the Asian Tour.
Speaker 1: He teaches for for me now at my academy in Dubai.
Speaker 1: He played the Asian Tour. He was a really good
Speaker 1: player still is. He came to the live event Saudi
Speaker 1: Arabia and was walking around the practice grounds and he said, man,
Speaker 1: I missed this so much, you know, playing professional golf.
Speaker 1: I just ran out of money. I didn't have enough
Speaker 1: money to continue to play. And we hear stories like
Speaker 1: that Pat all the time and in golf, and everybody goes, oh, man,
Speaker 1: what a great story. It's not a great story. It's
Speaker 1: not a great story. You shouldn't have to mortgage your
Speaker 1: house and sell your car to go to Q school.
Speaker 1: You know that. That's and that is the biggest I
Speaker 1: can't believe they got rid of Custa anyway. For the tour.
Speaker 1: The tour is making so much money on that. You know,
Speaker 1: when I wanted was fifty grand first place. Ten thousand
Speaker 1: Africans paying five grand? What the hell are that money going?
Speaker 1: Where's all that money going? But you know, I hear
Speaker 1: all the time like but I can never figure out.
Speaker 1: And this is why people get so pissed about the
Speaker 1: money things with guys taking money, and that's a For
Speaker 1: some reason, it's become the norm that golfers are supposed
Speaker 1: to absolutely earn every penny that they make, and if
Speaker 1: they don't play well, they don't get paid. Welcome. The
Speaker 1: Lakers started off holding five and all those guys are
Speaker 1: making three to five hundred thousand a night, and it's
Speaker 1: like going over going over seven. That spens basketball though there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're guaranteed money. I don't understand why the golfer is
Speaker 1: supposed to be on such the struggle bus for so long,
Speaker 1: and there's so many more guys that are not making
Speaker 1: money than there are guys on top making a ton
Speaker 1: of breath. And all they've done now the tour, all
Speaker 1: they've done is just separate the fact of here's a
Speaker 1: bunch of guys who are gonna make a shipload of cash,
Speaker 1: and you guys are gonna make fucking you know, a
Speaker 1: millimeter more cash. That's it, So good luck to you all.
Speaker 1: I just don't get it. I don't understand why, oh man,
Speaker 1: that last pot cost him seventy grand he missed it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: guy finger all the fucking lay up and missed it.
Speaker 1: The cost the damn thing. He got on the fucking
Speaker 1: he went and had He went and had fucking steak,
Speaker 1: got on the private plane drinking dom sham, flew to
Speaker 1: the writs of the next city. No problem. The other guy,
Speaker 1: he fucking you know, missed the cut, he gets back on,
Speaker 1: goes southwest, fucking see sixty eight, you know, gets on,
Speaker 1: free bag of peanuts, half a drink. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: I don't understand why this struggle they said, Oh, we
Speaker 1: respected so much more. I know you don't, but you don't.
Speaker 1: You fucking love that story because you watch the guy
Speaker 1: that's actually struggling. You loved the people love to see
Speaker 1: a struggle. That's wyeah. And then then the other thing
Speaker 1: that I think you know that we talked about it,
Speaker 1: that's different. You know, the struggling part of it. You know,
Speaker 1: you've got all the counties that you know from. You
Speaker 1: know that have You know, in my opinion, you know,
Speaker 1: one of the hardest jobs anybody thinks carrying that golf
Speaker 1: bag around, you know, walking you know all the holes
Speaker 1: you guys walk, but you had caddies when they were
Speaker 1: still on the PGA tour. You these are grown men
Speaker 1: with families trying to put trying to share an airbnb
Speaker 1: and rent one car and all of this because they've
Speaker 1: just got to try and find some way to limit
Speaker 1: the amount of call set. There isn't a company that
Speaker 1: you can work for that if they send you to
Speaker 1: another city. If you're a salesman and they send you
Speaker 1: in another city, you don't pay for that of the company.
Speaker 1: That No, But it's also like, oh, this struggle is
Speaker 1: what builds character, makes you appreciate it, and this is
Speaker 1: what builds you in your career. Fucking Tiger signed forty
Speaker 1: million rather the gate floated on on a private plane.
Speaker 1: He's okay without the struggle. He didn't struggle, right, guy
Speaker 1: became a superstar overnight and just escalate it all the
Speaker 1: way to the top of the top, never looked back. Okay.
Speaker 1: He didn't struggle phills the same way Phil want a
Speaker 1: tournament as an amateur. He didn't struggle sign who knows
Speaker 1: whatever the hell he signed out of college boom all
Speaker 1: the way to the top. So it's not about it's
Speaker 1: not always the struggle. Oh, it builds character, you know,
Speaker 1: driving like me and ate struggle for twenty three weeks
Speaker 1: on the Buy dot Com tour the world, fucking twenty
Speaker 1: three weeks NonStop. It didn't build anything. It's just all
Speaker 1: we had. That's all we had. Didn't Oh my god,
Speaker 1: I missed those days and funk that idea, you Kidney,
Speaker 1: But I miss any of that ship that was fucking miserable.
Speaker 1: Last time I'm drinking. Last I had seven thousand dollars
Speaker 1: with a wine in the fucking brisket. Now that's the
Speaker 1: ship I want to do. Okay, that's what I want
Speaker 1: to do, not fucking drive twenty three weeks across the tour.
Speaker 1: I built character. No, I didn't build ship. Did did
Speaker 1: h your caddy winning the closest to the hole at Sawgrass?
Speaker 1: Did that build? You gotta tell this story. This is
Speaker 1: a great this beauty this year. This is two that
Speaker 1: other fifteen island hold of TPC. This is the epitome
Speaker 1: of the fucking PJ tour. This is the saddest thing
Speaker 1: I've ever heard in my life. And I was so
Speaker 1: fu kissed. I'm still mad about it. So every year,
Speaker 1: you know, on seventeen, there's a box out there is
Speaker 1: the Bruce Edwards you know box they don't need money
Speaker 1: to cancer and great and that's you know, it's wonderful
Speaker 1: you put money in this box. And then at the
Speaker 1: end the caddy players, all the players put in mind
Speaker 1: there was a two one dollar and I got a
Speaker 1: good idea put the one dollar. And I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: say his main bell. But anyway, so agent to the
Speaker 1: three feet seven inches a funk. I'm going crazy. This
Speaker 1: is fucking awesome. It's towards the end of the day.
Speaker 1: You know, win wins, I'm going crazy. Is phenomenal. Well,
Speaker 1: come weeks ago, bock, guys, I forgot to ask the
Speaker 1: tour and then the tour matches that right, yeah, no,
Speaker 1: but this is yeah, this is the only thing because
Speaker 1: I'm asking a couple weekstad. I go, hey, I said,
Speaker 1: you know, what do you do with the cash? It's
Speaker 1: good ages, real, you know, kind of straight. Lace doesn't
Speaker 1: really wouldn't really say anything. I said, we didn't do
Speaker 1: it all that fun cash. It wasn't cash I got.
Speaker 1: I got a check in the mail at ut So
Speaker 1: what the fund are you talking about? Who's cash in
Speaker 1: that box? Yeah? You know, I found out the tour
Speaker 1: they mastered, they doubled it, and they gave it to
Speaker 1: charity and wrote this big story that they matched the
Speaker 1: six you know, they put sixteen th four hundred and
Speaker 1: two dollars and they wrote and then they got to
Speaker 1: write it off. But I had to pay tax on.
Speaker 1: I go, you're fucking kidney. I got on the phone.
Speaker 1: I called any pastor, and I wore his fucking ass out.
Speaker 1: I said, you guys are the biggest chicken dick motherfucker's
Speaker 1: I've had in my life. I said, you fucking took
Speaker 1: our cash and gave him a check and made him
Speaker 1: pay tax on our cash. And you wrote this big
Speaker 1: fucking story about how you're giving sixteen down four hundred
Speaker 1: dollars to the Bruce Edwards cancer deal making yours to
Speaker 1: flickery sad. Why don't you put the whole story of there.
Speaker 1: You took our cast, which is basically a hundred dollars
Speaker 1: that my hunter became twenty, and then you made the
Speaker 1: caddy pay tax on that to help you're not your
Speaker 1: tax exempt status, to help yourself. I mean, I've sucking
Speaker 1: one of these guys out. I was so pissed about it.
Speaker 1: And then every year I kept telling players, don't put
Speaker 1: money in that box, just give them give the hundred
Speaker 1: dollars to the caddy when you see him. It got
Speaker 1: so bad that this year there's a credit card machine.
Speaker 1: Now there's no more box. That players kept they quit
Speaker 1: doing it, and they the ladies name is Kathy, she
Speaker 1: goes you gotta put your credit cards. I'm not putting
Speaker 1: the fucking thing in that deal. I said, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: get it. No, no, you you have to. This is
Speaker 1: how we do it, I said, Cathy, I know the scam.
Speaker 1: This goes back to one of the biggest scams I've
Speaker 1: ever seen, you know. But funny enough, I'm not surprised
Speaker 1: at the tour. This is how they do it. So
Speaker 1: now you're supposed to put a credit card in so
Speaker 1: that they can do it that way. I'm like, you
Speaker 1: fucking chicken dick bastards. I have never even hard of
Speaker 1: something like this, and you guys have pulled it off
Speaker 1: for how many years now? Lastly, Pott obviously, um, you
Speaker 1: know you've mentioned that more than likely your PGA tour
Speaker 1: career is over. Um, were there any courses? This is
Speaker 1: a legit question because I know there are courses that
Speaker 1: you won't miss, right, and I know what they are,
Speaker 1: exactly what those courses are. Are there courses and tournaments
Speaker 1: that that that you're going to miss. I'm gonna miss
Speaker 1: Tory because I grew up there. I'm gonna miss riv
Speaker 1: because I think it's one of the greatest courses in
Speaker 1: all American And really, other than that, you know that's all,
Speaker 1: I got in a gust every year, so I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna miss that one. I would love to play there again,
Speaker 1: but um, you know that that's that's kind of it,
Speaker 1: you know, Ribs Ribs one. I'm gonna miss this year,
Speaker 1: sure as I'm gonna miss this TBC Scottsdale. Um, you
Speaker 1: know my Coba this week. I'm kind of sad to
Speaker 1: wonder a couple years I've I'd love to play there,
Speaker 1: but you know there's there's not too many I'm gonna
Speaker 1: mess not too more at all. Um, congratulations. I mean
Speaker 1: a lot of people. And I can say that because
Speaker 1: I know, you know, I get crushed at any time
Speaker 1: I say anything positive about anybody on Live. But I've
Speaker 1: seen you put in the work, and um, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm excited to see what happens in three What are
Speaker 1: you gonna do? This is the other thing. You now
Speaker 1: have three months off? Right, lives got three months off.
Speaker 1: We just saw Rory McElroy after winning at Congaree, going
Speaker 1: back to number one in the world, and his press
Speaker 1: conference say golfers need a break. You're actually the guys
Speaker 1: on Live are actually going to get a real break now. Um,
Speaker 1: probably the first time in your professional life that you
Speaker 1: get time three months. Um, it's been about yeah, it's
Speaker 1: been six what what what are the plans for the
Speaker 1: three months? Well, I'm gonna drink this week, Uh, celebrate
Speaker 1: our win. It's fucking call that side. So I'm not
Speaker 1: going outside either. But I do have to get I
Speaker 1: got a lot of things to do that which I
Speaker 1: haven't a bill to do forever. I've got I gotta
Speaker 1: organize so much ship. I've got three massive storage you know.
Speaker 1: It's I got all these goddamn shoes. I gotta organized.
Speaker 1: I'm you know, I'm gonna spend time with the kids. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, Ashley, I'm gonna you know, continue to do
Speaker 1: peloton and probably try to work out some you know,
Speaker 1: I get a program and and you know in place.
Speaker 1: But really I've got until February, you know, but it
Speaker 1: warms up. I've got a couple of member guests. I'm
Speaker 1: looking forward to playing. I'm looking in a Vegas a
Speaker 1: couple of times. Uh you know. But about in mid December,
Speaker 1: I'll really started hitting hard again and working on my
Speaker 1: game and and you know, get stronger, and I'm really
Speaker 1: excited for next year. Like I said, I can't wait
Speaker 1: to get going. And but you know, I'm gonna take
Speaker 1: all of November. I'm not gonna do anything. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: I'm gonna hang out and relaxed, and you know, I
Speaker 1: work out, but I'm not I'm not gonna play golf. Um,
Speaker 1: but you know, so I want to come back when
Speaker 1: I when I started in December, I'm gonna be real fresh,
Speaker 1: really excited to play. And I got a month and
Speaker 1: a half to really work hard out and get ready
Speaker 1: for for the Aces next year. Well, I'm looking forward
Speaker 1: to you, um continuing to play good and uh, continuing
Speaker 1: to make the haters hate more, because um, you know
Speaker 1: I still I still believe you've got a lot of
Speaker 1: good golf left. Yeah. I love the fans, love the
Speaker 1: haters more. I love them because they get so mad.
Speaker 1: But it ain't changing my bank account. So thanks for
Speaker 1: talking to us. We got so that was Pat Perez
Speaker 1: And as I said in the opening, um you know
Speaker 1: which you know what you're going to get from Pat,
Speaker 1: and um, listen, I think this whole thing for all
Speaker 1: the players involved, both on the PGA Tour side and
Speaker 1: the live side, it's personal for them, right. Um, the
Speaker 1: golf land state, whether you like it, whether you don't
Speaker 1: like it. Um, the golf landscape has changed, and UM,
Speaker 1: I'm excited to get the word out about what's going on,
Speaker 1: you know, in the game of golf in instruction. UM,
Speaker 1: I think it would be a disservice to the listeners,
Speaker 1: all of you listening, if I didn't get people on
Speaker 1: that are playing on Live, and I'm going to continue
Speaker 1: to try and get their opinions. I'm going to continue
Speaker 1: to try and get opinions and talk to everybody involved
Speaker 1: in the game of golf. So, like I said in
Speaker 1: the beginning, if that changed your mind about pat and
Speaker 1: the way you feel about Live, cool. If it didn't,
Speaker 1: that's cool too. I mean I don't think really, I mean,
Speaker 1: I honestly think at this point, UM, the line has
Speaker 1: been drawn and stand people are in the trenches, and
Speaker 1: whatever trench you're in, I'm cool with that. And for
Speaker 1: whatever reason you're in that trench with the PGA Tour,
Speaker 1: if you're on the live side, I'm good with that too.
Speaker 1: But UM, I do think that the people involved in
Speaker 1: professional golf, the people playing, the people that stayed with
Speaker 1: the PGA Tour, the people that have chosen to go
Speaker 1: with Live, they all have their reasons, they all have
Speaker 1: their stories, and hopefully I can get those stories out
Speaker 1: and get those voices out so everybody can kind of
Speaker 1: make up their own opinions and stuff like that. But UM,
Speaker 1: I spend an enormous amount of time with Pat um
Speaker 1: and listen. I like him. Um, he's a reverend, he's crazy.
Speaker 1: I don't agree with everything he says, but um, you
Speaker 1: know what you're gonna get. And if you want an
Speaker 1: opinion on a subject, UM, he's one to talk to.
Speaker 1: So I'm glad I talked to him, um and UM.
Speaker 1: I thought it was great. I thought he had a
Speaker 1: lot to say and UM, you know, we'll see where
Speaker 1: the chips fall. But um, thanks everyone for listening. I
Speaker 1: think out of all the episodes, um, that we've done,
Speaker 1: given the current landscape of where we are in two
Speaker 1: professional golf, Um, if you've got people that are interested
Speaker 1: in golf, if you've got people that are, you know,
Speaker 1: talking about what's going on on the PGA tour, what's
Speaker 1: going on on live and stuff. If they don't know
Speaker 1: about the podcast, tell them to listen to this episode.
Speaker 1: And UM, I think they will get something out of it.
Speaker 1: Son of a which comes to you every Wednesday. We
Speaker 1: will see you all next week.