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Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan

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Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex Barth and Lazarre.

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Speaker 2: Hello, everybody nailed it, joined us always buy our bark.

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Speaker 2: Here is Evan Lazar and Alex bars. I said we

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Speaker 2: weren't going to get into the steam minutia, but that

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Speaker 2: that was it. That's what we do. I said, I

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Speaker 2: was gonna set the table first, but.

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Speaker 1: We didn't say pleasantry.

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Speaker 2: You guys don't believe in pleasantries over over at the hub.

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Speaker 1: You got no we got we gotta show it.

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Speaker 2: You're you're not into pleasantries, so we're not gonna do

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Speaker 2: pleasantries here today. It's Evan Lazarre, Alex Barth, Patriots Catch

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Speaker 2: twenty two with you until about four o'clock here today,

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Speaker 2: so we gotta get a long show today morell we got.

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Speaker 2: We got almost the two full hours here, so it's

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Speaker 2: gonna be fun. It's gonna be good. Alex. We were

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Speaker 2: just talking before we we hit record on the show

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Speaker 2: that everybody is against your boy. Now everybody hates me, Alex.

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Speaker 2: I I am I I am too negative. I'm the

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Speaker 2: grinch that stole Christmas or the week one moral victory

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Speaker 2: for the New England Patriots, and uh, everyone hates me.

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Speaker 2: Everyone's mad, everyone's fired up. They're on the YouTube comments,

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Speaker 2: they're emailing, they're they're they're they're tweeting at me. Uh,

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Speaker 2: they're they're coming after me for my my Tuesday PU show,

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Speaker 2: talking about me everywhere, just kidding about how negative I

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Speaker 2: was about this Patriots team. So right off the top

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Speaker 2: of the show, here's what we're gonna do. Here's what

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Speaker 2: we're gonna do, so that all of you get off

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Speaker 2: my back and tell me that I'm not being negative

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Speaker 2: anymore and we can all move on from that. I'm

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Speaker 2: gonna give you three three whole nice things about your offense,

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Speaker 2: Patriots fans, three nice things about the offense. I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: go one at a time. Let Alex interject in between.

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Speaker 2: But I'm gonna say three nice things about this offense

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Speaker 2: right now. So get off my back, all right. Get

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Speaker 2: this is positive, positive energy only, and I'm being one

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Speaker 2: hundred sense sincere, you ready go for it.

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Speaker 1: Let's see, let's see how since here you can really

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Speaker 1: be here.

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Speaker 2: Number One, I loved what I saw from Bill O'Brien

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Speaker 2: in this game. Thought Bill O'Brien had a great script.

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Speaker 2: I thought he had great call sheet called good plays

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Speaker 2: in this game. I think a big reason why the

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Speaker 2: offensive line that was completely overmatched and overwhelmed in this game.

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Speaker 2: Despite some narrative I said, it's gonna be positive something,

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Speaker 2: all right, and here we go, I can't even do it, okay,

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Speaker 2: despite the mismatch between the offensive line and the defensive line,

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Speaker 2: I thought a big reason in this game why it

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Speaker 2: didn't take over the game for Philadelphia is because of

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Speaker 2: how O'Brien called the game. Yeah, and I understand that

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Speaker 2: some people get annoyed by the thirteen screens and all

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Speaker 2: that kind of stuff, but it had to be it

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Speaker 2: had to be done. It had to be done. In

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Speaker 2: this game, I thought that they at least changed it

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Speaker 2: up enough with the screens that there was some different

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Speaker 2: ones that thrown in there, and then they finally sprung

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Speaker 2: the one for Romandra in the fourth quarter. The bunch

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Speaker 2: formations were excellent. And I think that this is something

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Speaker 2: that I really love about O'Brien, and he's talked about

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Speaker 2: this in some of the coaching clinics that he's done.

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Speaker 2: One of the things I really love about him is

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Speaker 2: that when he finds something that works against a defense,

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Speaker 2: he's not afraid to just keep pressing the button. A

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Speaker 2: lot of offensive coordinators and we're going to maybe talk

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Speaker 2: in the show, think that every single play needs to

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Speaker 2: be unique and different, and like they want to win.

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Speaker 2: They're trying to win every single play, right And I'm

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Speaker 2: not saying O'Brien's not, but like you understand what I'm saying,

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Speaker 2: Like everything is different, window dressing, different design, YadA, YadA YadA.

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Speaker 2: Bill O'Brien figured out that the Eagles were having difficulties

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Speaker 2: we saw in Kendrick Bourne's touchdown, the throw to Mario

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Speaker 2: to different things. Really enjoyed that with Bill O'Brien, thought

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Speaker 2: And I thought he had Mac buttoned up in terms

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Speaker 2: You know, I love both those things. That might be

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Speaker 2: the next iteration, but in terms of what we saw

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Speaker 2: in Week one, really enjoyed this game script from Bill

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Speaker 2: O'Brien and I thought he called a good game.

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Speaker 1: I thought he did too. Again, you talk about this,

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Speaker 1: this is everything I've been yelling for the offense to

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Speaker 1: be for two years, right it? Remember last year is

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Speaker 1: that we were talking about, No, the strength and in

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Speaker 1: top of the depth chart. And they shouldn't have anybody

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Speaker 1: that really plays over an overwhelming amount and mix and

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Speaker 1: he got weird in a good way, uh throughout the game.

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Speaker 1: So I really liked what I had, what I was

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Speaker 1: off O'Brien. The one nitpick I had was on the

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Speaker 1: play before the final play, the kaishaon booty fourth down.

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Speaker 2: It was tough. I under the defensive line of the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the screen I watched back those those final two

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Speaker 2: such a mind pretzel trying to cover these types of

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Speaker 2: lot of that moving forward. It's just fun to watch those,

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Speaker 2: spacing and the sequencing of it together, and the different

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Speaker 2: did it. That was all positive. Right, you brought up

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Speaker 1: No, you brought up something before that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, set, Yeah, but I reset, I reset, you know,

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Speaker 2: we kill kill right, reset, We did it again. Number two.

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Speaker 2: In this game, I have said a lot of negative

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Speaker 2: things about Mac Jones. I will own that. Gonna give

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Speaker 2: them a positive in this I thought that Mac Jones

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Speaker 2: as well as Bill O'Brien did a really really good

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Speaker 2: three eight time to throw on average, which is very

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Speaker 2: very fast. Now, a lot of that's quick game screen,

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Speaker 2: I get that, but that's all part of it, right,

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Speaker 2: And I thought he did a really good job of

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Speaker 2: I thought he did a really good job of managing

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Speaker 2: of a lot of positivity about Mac Jones. All right,

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Speaker 2: I said a lot of positive things.

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Speaker 1: It was the insistence to not acknowledge any of this

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Speaker 2: I hope that the hamstring's okay. I think it will be.

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Speaker 1: I nothing about the Jamario Douglas or Kendrick Bourne makes

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Speaker 2: But I didn't say I'm not ready to compliment any

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Speaker 2: You mentioned Damario Douglas. I am buying all the to

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Speaker 2: They unfortunately couldn't get him loose in this game. They

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Speaker 2: sure there's many more that the coaches know about the DIDO,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I really like Douglass in this game. I did.

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Speaker 2: So those are my three positives, and we started the

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Speaker 2: It is the phone number. Got three people on hold already.

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Speaker 2: Mac enough, but people that just listen to this show,

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00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:22,120
Speaker 2: I want them to understand where I'm coming from as well. Right, Yeah,

434
00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:24,840
Speaker 2: and uh, I think the biggest thing with Mac is

435
00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:28,560
Speaker 2: I want to say two things. One, Uh, I want

436
00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:31,840
Speaker 2: Mac Jones to be great. I really do, and I

437
00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:34,560
Speaker 2: think that people now, uh, maybe a little bit more

438
00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:37,120
Speaker 2: publicly than I would like. Yeah, I know that I

439
00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:39,760
Speaker 2: love Mac, Like, Mack's a great guy, and I enjoy

440
00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:43,280
Speaker 2: covering him, and I enjoyed the conversations that I've had

441
00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:46,119
Speaker 2: with him. I'm not we're not friends, Like, I'm not

442
00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:48,439
Speaker 2: saying any of that. I'm just saying like I enjoy

443
00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:53,040
Speaker 2: interacting with Mac. With that being said, where my frustration

444
00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:56,920
Speaker 2: comes from with Mac is I truly do want him

445
00:20:56,960 --> 00:21:01,160
Speaker 2: to be great. But for him to be great, he's

446
00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:05,639
Speaker 2: the little details of the quarterback position, the nuances that

447
00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:08,280
Speaker 2: you get from studying film over and over and again.

448
00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:12,760
Speaker 2: He has to dominate that, Like, he has to be

449
00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:17,399
Speaker 2: really really good at that because he's not going to

450
00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:23,919
Speaker 2: change dramatically from a physical standpoint. So if he's gonna

451
00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:28,000
Speaker 2: be great, then he has to have clean footwork. He

452
00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:30,520
Speaker 2: has to throw from a solid base, he has to

453
00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:33,120
Speaker 2: make good decisions with the football, he has to throw

454
00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:35,440
Speaker 2: on time, Like these are the things that he has

455
00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:40,879
Speaker 2: to do to play with his margins. And my frustration

456
00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:42,919
Speaker 2: comes from when I watch the film and I'm like,

457
00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:47,080
Speaker 2: you're not controlling the controllabulls Mac. You got to be

458
00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:49,560
Speaker 2: able to control the things you can control. He can't

459
00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:54,239
Speaker 2: control the fact that he's not Lamar Jackson, and he

460
00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:56,400
Speaker 2: can't control the fact that he doesn't have it. People

461
00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:58,399
Speaker 2: get mad when I bring up Josh Allen that he

462
00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:00,200
Speaker 2: can't control the fact that he doesn't have an army.

463
00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:02,200
Speaker 1: Can control the he doesn't turn the ball or four times.

464
00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:05,000
Speaker 2: That's why people get mad. He can't control the fact

465
00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:07,040
Speaker 2: that he doesn't have an arm like justin Herbert. He

466
00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:11,040
Speaker 2: can't control that. But what he can control is his

467
00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:14,280
Speaker 2: own individual process and over the course of a game.

468
00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:18,840
Speaker 2: So my frustrations with him come because I'm like, I

469
00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:21,440
Speaker 2: want you to be good, dude, but like you're these

470
00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:23,800
Speaker 2: are the things you're missing right now. And I think

471
00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:26,600
Speaker 2: the main thing from this game that I was concerned with,

472
00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:30,480
Speaker 2: and I'm willing to give him the caveat in the

473
00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:34,199
Speaker 2: and within that caveat give him the time for the

474
00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:37,879
Speaker 2: offensive line to get healthy, is that his footwork being

475
00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:41,080
Speaker 2: off in this game for large stretches might have been

476
00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:43,720
Speaker 2: related to the fact that he was not being protected well.

477
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Speaker 1: So the other thing I would say to that, because

478
00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:48,320
Speaker 1: he his footwork was good as a rookie it's not

479
00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:51,600
Speaker 1: totally new. He this goes back and I know people

480
00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:53,760
Speaker 1: are gonna roll their eyes and see me pointing a

481
00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:58,359
Speaker 1: finger at Matt patric again. But last year, do you

482
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Speaker 1: think he had a coach that when they in and

483
00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:02,480
Speaker 1: broke down the film could get to that level with him?

484
00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:05,320
Speaker 1: No work on that and I and so, yeah.

485
00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:07,480
Speaker 2: Like I wonder, Look, obviously we all would love to

486
00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:09,360
Speaker 2: be a fly on the wall in any of those meetings,

487
00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:13,320
Speaker 2: but I really wonder what the coaches feel about it,

488
00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:16,199
Speaker 2: because the bottom line is is this is where my

489
00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:20,520
Speaker 2: concern came on Tuesday, is that when he doesn't throw

490
00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:23,840
Speaker 2: from a solid base, he doesn't throw at a ton

491
00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:24,040
Speaker 2: of all.

492
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Speaker 1: And look, I'm sure he knows that, and I'm sure

493
00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:28,080
Speaker 1: the coaches know that. And it's not like they just

494
00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:29,919
Speaker 1: got out here, right, they had camp and all of that,

495
00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:32,520
Speaker 1: But a game environment changes things. Like he was I

496
00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:34,159
Speaker 1: thought during camp he was doing a good job of

497
00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:35,960
Speaker 1: setting the feet and all that, right, And you I

498
00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:38,880
Speaker 1: think you agree with me on that. Yeah, I don't

499
00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:40,240
Speaker 1: know that there was somebody that was going to go

500
00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:41,880
Speaker 1: to him in last year, last year and say, hey,

501
00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:43,880
Speaker 1: this is kind of a mess. Yeah, And I think

502
00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:45,760
Speaker 1: he developed some bad habits, and I think when you're

503
00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:48,440
Speaker 1: down two starting guards, maybe someone last year started creeping

504
00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:49,440
Speaker 1: in the back of his head like I'm going to

505
00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:51,200
Speaker 1: take a beating today. We all thought that in the

506
00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:52,800
Speaker 1: press box. We were talking about like, he's not going

507
00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:54,640
Speaker 1: to make it through this game. Yeah, with two rookie

508
00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:57,040
Speaker 1: guards against his defensive line. Yeah, Like you mentioned, Bill

509
00:23:57,080 --> 00:23:58,719
Speaker 1: O'Brien did a great job kind of helped him out,

510
00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:01,880
Speaker 1: and he did a fantastic job himself of keeping himself clean.

511
00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:03,160
Speaker 1: But I think that was part of it. I think

512
00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:06,639
Speaker 1: there's a lot he's thinking about in this game, specifically

513
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:10,560
Speaker 1: beyond mechanics. I look at it and say, all right, yeah, look,

514
00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:12,760
Speaker 1: I thought Mac was better than you're giving him credit

515
00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:15,479
Speaker 1: for in this game. I think if that's Mac Jones'

516
00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:19,160
Speaker 1: worst performance of the year, this team's making the playoffs.

517
00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:22,639
Speaker 1: I'll say that right now. Or if Mac Jones playing

518
00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:25,000
Speaker 1: that way to that level is their biggest problem, and

519
00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:27,760
Speaker 1: they have no bigger problems than Mac Jones performing like

520
00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:29,320
Speaker 1: he did on Sunday, when again he threw for three

521
00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:31,760
Speaker 1: hundred yards and three touchdowns against the top ten defense

522
00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:34,280
Speaker 1: in the league. If that's their biggest problem, they're gonna

523
00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:37,040
Speaker 1: make the playoffs and that's good. Now maybe it's not.

524
00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:41,520
Speaker 1: Maybe it gets worse. Can the coaching staff fix those

525
00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:43,480
Speaker 1: little things that you're talking about, and can him and

526
00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:45,800
Speaker 1: Bill O'Brien get in the lab and basically does he

527
00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:47,960
Speaker 1: go in there? He was hard on himself after the game,

528
00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:50,520
Speaker 1: so I think he knows what you're saying. Yeah, can

529
00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:51,919
Speaker 1: they go in the room and say we need to

530
00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:53,800
Speaker 1: fix A, B and C and then come out on

531
00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:56,560
Speaker 1: Sunday night and A, B and C are fixed? And

532
00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:59,080
Speaker 1: this to me, when it relate, whether it relates to Mac,

533
00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:00,960
Speaker 1: whether it relates to the the offense, whether it relate

534
00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:04,320
Speaker 1: to some of the coaching decisions, this is the great Uh.

535
00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:07,680
Speaker 1: This game was weird in terms of having to sit

536
00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:10,119
Speaker 1: up there and evaluate it. I wrote like three different

537
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:12,240
Speaker 1: columns because I didn't like them, and I kept having

538
00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:15,320
Speaker 1: to scrap them because I think this feels people are

539
00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:19,040
Speaker 1: gonna hear this as a fence sitting take. I will no,

540
00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:23,720
Speaker 1: but it's not. It's not. There wasn't because the Patriots

541
00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:28,720
Speaker 1: played such a polarized game. Whatever your preconceived notion was

542
00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:31,720
Speaker 1: about the team going into that game, you have something

543
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:34,240
Speaker 1: to point to and say it was true. If you

544
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:36,960
Speaker 1: want to sit here and say, hey, Bill O'Brien's here,

545
00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:39,760
Speaker 1: the offense looked different. They moved the ball against this

546
00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:41,639
Speaker 1: good defense at times, and hey, it's the you know,

547
00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:44,640
Speaker 1: defending NFC champion. It wasn't gonna be perfect. I think

548
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:47,280
Speaker 1: that's a perfectly valid take. And you could sit here

549
00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:49,320
Speaker 1: and say the issues they had, and I believe this,

550
00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:53,439
Speaker 1: the issues they had, while similar to the issues they

551
00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:56,639
Speaker 1: had last year, the problem last year wasn't that they

552
00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:59,479
Speaker 1: were making those issues in September. A lot of teams

553
00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:02,160
Speaker 1: make similar mistakes to the ones they made in September.

554
00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:04,840
Speaker 1: The problem was they were still making them in December.

555
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:07,240
Speaker 1: They never got fixed. And that was the case last year.

556
00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:08,560
Speaker 1: It was the case the year before that, it was

557
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:11,399
Speaker 1: the case the year before that. So you're absolutely allowed

558
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:13,560
Speaker 1: to sit here and say I saw a lot from

559
00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:15,679
Speaker 1: that game that I liked. I saw a lot that

560
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:19,760
Speaker 1: looks like progress. Yeah, it wasn't perfect, but to go

561
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:22,200
Speaker 1: toe to toe with the defending NFC champion in Week

562
00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:24,439
Speaker 1: one and have time to build on that with the

563
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 1: new coaching staff, I'm encouraged. At the same time, I

564
00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:31,680
Speaker 1: do think it's fair to say yes, but we felt

565
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:34,240
Speaker 1: encouraged in twenty twenty early in the season. We felt

566
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:36,480
Speaker 1: encouraged in twenty twenty one early in the season. Even

567
00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:38,960
Speaker 1: last year early on, there were some moments where we

568
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:41,239
Speaker 1: were like, Okay, here we go, let's see and then

569
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:45,800
Speaker 1: So it's not a moral victory thing though, No, it's

570
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:49,080
Speaker 1: a benefit of the doubt thing in a bubble. Listen,

571
00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:51,639
Speaker 1: just let me finish it. Let me finish in a bubble.

572
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:56,040
Speaker 1: I'm young team, third year quarterback coming off a year

573
00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:58,560
Speaker 1: they missed the playoffs, goes toe to toe with the

574
00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:02,119
Speaker 1: defending NFC champion. I think a lot of with making

575
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:04,480
Speaker 1: mistakes that are pretty textbook to make early in the year.

576
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:06,719
Speaker 1: I think a lot of teams you would look at

577
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:09,840
Speaker 1: that and a lot of circumstances and say, there's something

578
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:12,120
Speaker 1: to build on here. It's not a moral victory. Think

579
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:14,400
Speaker 1: it's not necessarily feel great about it, but it's when

580
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:16,960
Speaker 1: we're projecting out over the course of a seventeen game season,

581
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:20,160
Speaker 1: if the things that usually get fixed across the league

582
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:22,480
Speaker 1: by teams get fixed, they'll be in a good spot.

583
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:25,120
Speaker 1: I think that's an absolutely fair evaluation of this game.

584
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:28,679
Speaker 1: But you can also bring in the caveat that we

585
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 1: felt that way about this team in twenty twenty and

586
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:33,000
Speaker 1: they never made the fixes they needed to make. We

587
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:34,920
Speaker 1: felt this way about the team in twenty twenty one,

588
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:37,320
Speaker 1: and they never made the fixes they needed to make. Obviously,

589
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:39,600
Speaker 1: last year they never made the fixes they needed to make.

590
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:44,280
Speaker 1: So our Bill and O'Brien and Adrian Clem that much

591
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:49,159
Speaker 1: better that Obviously they're better than Patricia. But like the

592
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:53,159
Speaker 1: McDaniel statts in twenty and twenty one, are are Patricia?

593
00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:58,400
Speaker 1: Are mcdan the third try? Are O'Brien and Clem?

594
00:27:58,640 --> 00:27:59,640
Speaker 2: Yes worth?

595
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:02,440
Speaker 1: The best benefit of the doubt that not only can

596
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:04,480
Speaker 1: you look at it and say they are going to

597
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:07,960
Speaker 1: fix these things, but say they are going to fix

598
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:10,080
Speaker 1: these things that they haven't been able to fix in

599
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:13,520
Speaker 1: each of the last three years. That's essentially the question

600
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:15,560
Speaker 1: me coming away from this game. Are you taking the

601
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:17,480
Speaker 1: cheese on it? Are you going to after what we've

602
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:19,399
Speaker 1: been through the last three years of them falling apart

603
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:21,840
Speaker 1: November and December? Are you still willing to look at

604
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:24,640
Speaker 1: this and say it'll look better by Thanksgiving, it'll look

605
00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 1: better by Christmas than it does now.

606
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:29,640
Speaker 2: That's a fair take. I don't disagree with a lot

607
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:33,920
Speaker 2: of that I think where my bigger concern came from.

608
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:36,000
Speaker 2: I guess from this game. Because I can nitpick mac

609
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:37,720
Speaker 2: Jones all day long, I'm not going to do it.

610
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:39,960
Speaker 2: You know. There's little things with his footwork that I

611
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:42,720
Speaker 2: didn't like, especially throwing the ball to his right. I

612
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:45,320
Speaker 2: thought that throwing to the ball to the right sideline,

613
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:47,960
Speaker 2: the ball died on the mall game long, and that

614
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:51,240
Speaker 2: it was footwork related to me. Like I think because

615
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:54,640
Speaker 2: for him, and like I said earlier, like he needs

616
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:57,239
Speaker 2: to have a solid base and solid footwork for him

617
00:28:57,240 --> 00:29:01,000
Speaker 2: to generate velocity. He can't generate a velocity of platform. Yeah,

618
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:03,600
Speaker 2: so he has to have a solid platform to throw from.

619
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 2: So I think that that's where a lot of my

620
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 2: concerns came from. The other concern that I had in

621
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 2: this game was, like you said, coming into the year,

622
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:17,840
Speaker 2: confirming a prior, and my prior was now when the

623
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 2: chips were down and it was the fourth quarter, and

624
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 2: Bill O'Brien can only take you so far because it

625
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 2: ultimately comes down to the players on the field winning

626
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 2: a game for you. I did not think offensively, not offensively,

627
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 2: not just Mac Jones, the entire offense. I did not

628
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 2: think that they had enough talent to win those games.

629
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 1: So I guess this goes back to my point. I

630
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:46,400
Speaker 1: think some people will just agree with you. Flat some

631
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 1: people will say, look, it was no secret that the

632
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 1: Eagles defense had more talent than they did on offense.

633
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 1: I don't know how many teams in the league have

634
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:56,680
Speaker 1: more talent on offense than the Eagles do on defense.

635
00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:59,640
Speaker 1: It's a very short list. Yeah, I think some people

636
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:01,720
Speaker 1: look at that and say, this one they didn't win.

637
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:06,800
Speaker 1: But more often than not, in that situation, Bill O'Brien

638
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 1: will be the difference that they will be able. And

639
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 1: you have the stat was it owen thirteen?

640
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:14,200
Speaker 2: Right? Oh? And twelve in in uh twenty five plus

641
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 2: points games? No.

642
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:17,880
Speaker 1: The other one the game leading drive on he has

643
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 1: one in thirty three, one and thirty three.

644
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 2: Okay.

645
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 1: I think some people look at it and say, Bill

646
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:25,280
Speaker 1: O'Brien's gond increase that number in this one specific instance,

647
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:28,040
Speaker 1: he didn't. Yeah, and it's against a very good defense.

648
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:30,600
Speaker 1: But let's see them get in that situation against Miami.

649
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:32,120
Speaker 1: Let's se him geting that situation against some of the

650
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:34,360
Speaker 1: other teams on their schedule that aren't as good defensively

651
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:37,280
Speaker 1: and it may not go from one to thirty three

652
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:40,240
Speaker 1: to thirty three and one, but or thirty three for

653
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:43,000
Speaker 1: thirty three or whatever. But like and it doesn't need

654
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:45,040
Speaker 1: to it needs to be about five hundred. But so again,

655
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:47,680
Speaker 1: is Bill O'Brien gonna fix it? There's another number. I

656
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:48,800
Speaker 1: gotta find the stat I.

657
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:50,280
Speaker 2: Just don't know if Bill O'Brien's enough.

658
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:54,479
Speaker 1: And that's where so and that's that's basically what the

659
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:58,080
Speaker 1: question is. I think coming away from this game, it

660
00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:00,600
Speaker 1: was the first week Bill O'Brien had to work with them,

661
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:02,080
Speaker 1: and there's I think you'd agree with me on this

662
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:04,560
Speaker 1: any new coach. And we were actually arguing about how

663
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:06,520
Speaker 1: much of a difference a new coach makes before the show,

664
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 1: So I know you're with me on this. Any new coach,

665
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:11,360
Speaker 1: you need a game or two to really get things fixed, right,

666
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 1: So I think the argument is all right. Here we

667
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:16,040
Speaker 1: are with this team again. It was promising, but it

668
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 1: definitely wasn't perfect. It was good but not good enough.

669
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 1: Is Bill O'Brien the guy to get them to good

670
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 1: enough from where they started on Sunday?

671
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:26,360
Speaker 2: So I don't disagree with anything that.

672
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 1: You just let me make one more point on top

673
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:31,239
Speaker 1: of it. I think that the counter to that is

674
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 1: people talk about, you know, one one in the twenty

675
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:37,040
Speaker 1: So this is the twenty five points thing, scoring more

676
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 1: when the opponent scores more than twenty five points. What

677
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 1: was the number again? Oh and twelve with mac Jones,

678
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 1: they are without Tom Brady three and twenty five. So

679
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 1: it's without Tom Brady or Randy Moss. Because of those

680
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 1: three wins, two of them happened in two thousand and eight.

681
00:31:56,760 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 1: They're one in twenty five, one in they won such

682
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:03,560
Speaker 1: win basically without Tom Brady Randy Moss. Is it a

683
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 1: mac Jones problem or is it a because if it's

684
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 1: a mac Jones problem, maybe Bill Obriant can fix it. Yeah,

685
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:13,960
Speaker 1: if it's a Bill Belichick problem, right, I don't know

686
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 1: how much it helps.

687
00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 2: It's gonna give it, so that that's kind of where

688
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 2: I was headed with it. Yeah, when we say Bill

689
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 2: Belichick problem, we mean a roster construction problem.

690
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 1: Well, could be a roster construction problem or like a

691
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:26,120
Speaker 1: game approach philosophy problem.

692
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:28,800
Speaker 2: But I think the main thing is roster construction. Game Like,

693
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 2: I think they're both together when I say Bill is

694
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:33,880
Speaker 2: trying to win the game. In my mind, twenty four

695
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:37,240
Speaker 2: to twenty right, like he's trying to get he's trying

696
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 2: to build on defense to the point where you're not

697
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:40,040
Speaker 2: going to score, right.

698
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 1: I think Bill might say points, Bill might say truth here,

699
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:44,600
Speaker 1: and Bill Belichick here. If you allow twenty five points,

700
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:46,600
Speaker 1: you've already lost that kind of thing exactly.

701
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:51,520
Speaker 2: So to that point, the play that really put me

702
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:53,960
Speaker 2: over the edge and led to a Tuesday's show and

703
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:56,640
Speaker 2: all this this crap that I've taken. The play that

704
00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 2: really put me over the edge was the fourth and

705
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 2: three play on the second to last drive of the

706
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:06,960
Speaker 2: game for the Patriots, because on fourth and three they

707
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 2: I believe they emptied the backfield on it. It might

708
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 2: have been one back regardless, Mac and the gun, and

709
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 2: they have Juju in the left slot there. That's your guy, right,

710
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:21,920
Speaker 2: like that's your big money offseason free agent edition. We'll

711
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:25,480
Speaker 2: get it apparently, but that's supposed to be your guy, right.

712
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 2: And the initial read on the play is Juju on

713
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 2: an option route, run it and get open. He doesn't

714
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:38,160
Speaker 2: have to break any particular way. He doesn't have to.

715
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:41,800
Speaker 2: It's not a you know, a leverage read necessarily, it's

716
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:46,800
Speaker 2: just make your guy miss, right, Just get open on

717
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 2: the route. So that's that's the guy you paid twelve

718
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:51,560
Speaker 2: million dollars a year or two to get open on

719
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 2: this route. And the initial nitpick or not even a nitpick.

720
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 2: This was just a bad play for the team. The

721
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 2: initial hiccup is that Juju just doesn't get open. He

722
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 2: gets suffocated off the line of scrimmage and doesn't get open.

723
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 2: So at that point Mac has to come off his

724
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:15,279
Speaker 2: first read and make something happen out of it. And

725
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:18,719
Speaker 2: then there's pressure, right, So here's the second problem with

726
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 2: the play is the pressure. So MATC comes off the

727
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:23,719
Speaker 2: first read, tries to get over to the other side

728
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:25,800
Speaker 2: of the field to the second and now there's pressure

729
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 2: in his face, which you and I are both on

730
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:34,279
Speaker 2: the record numerous times talking about the short fallings in

731
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:38,439
Speaker 2: the offseason about offensive line personnel. Yeah, here you go,

732
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:42,239
Speaker 2: your rear in your head, right, So your twelve dollars

733
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:44,759
Speaker 2: million dollar receiver can't get open on a one on

734
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:46,960
Speaker 2: one when you created a matchup for him out of

735
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:49,880
Speaker 2: the slot on fourth and three to get four yards,

736
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:50,680
Speaker 2: he can't get open.

737
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:51,239
Speaker 3: Right.

738
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:54,480
Speaker 2: Then your quarterback goes to move off of it correctly

739
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:57,439
Speaker 2: and he can't get to the second read without there

740
00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:00,479
Speaker 2: being three people in his face. Right, and Maac breaks

741
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:03,520
Speaker 2: the pocket. Good job, right, gets out of the pocket,

742
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:06,200
Speaker 2: gets out of the pressure. As he's rolling to his

743
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:12,280
Speaker 2: right out of the pressure, Kendrick Bourne is streaking across

744
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:16,680
Speaker 2: the field on a crosser and he's wide af open,

745
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 2: wide af open behind the linebacker. And this is not

746
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 2: one of those like Mahomes fifty yard right now, wrist

747
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:27,399
Speaker 2: like eight or nine yards Dounfield's. It's a ten yard

748
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 2: throw maybe. And you can throw it with touch like

749
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 2: you can loft it like you don't. He doesn't even

750
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:34,320
Speaker 2: need to drive it into any hole. He's not fitting

751
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 2: it into a window.

752
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:35,279
Speaker 3: No.

753
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 2: All he's gotta do is layer it over the linebacker,

754
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:42,440
Speaker 2: puts a mayror under it to let Kendrick Bouran run

755
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 2: underneath it, and just feather it over the linebacker. I

756
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 2: think I sent you the play. I'm sure you've watched

757
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:51,799
Speaker 2: it on your own, Alex. I promise you that if

758
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:53,720
Speaker 2: he makes that throw, it's a touchdown.

759
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:54,759
Speaker 1: Yeah.

760
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 2: Kendrick Bournan is gonna run under it. There's nobody there

761
00:35:57,640 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 2: to stop him, and he's gonna score a touch on

762
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 2: the seat in the middle of the field.

763
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:03,919
Speaker 1: It was a misthrow. Again, I'm I think you're being

764
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 1: You've been too critical on Mac this week, But I'm

765
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 1: not gonna say he was perfect and that was a

766
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:08,440
Speaker 1: missed opportunity.

767
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:11,160
Speaker 2: So instead, what happens is is Mac kind of panics

768
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:14,480
Speaker 2: frankly and takes a sack on the play instead of

769
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 2: making the throw. And those three boxes, to me, are

770
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:20,920
Speaker 2: the Patriots in a nutshell right now. They don't have

771
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:25,200
Speaker 2: a good enough receiver to win the one on one Juju, Yeah,

772
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 2: they don't have a good enough offensive line for the

773
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:30,320
Speaker 2: quarterback to go through the progression. And then Mac Jones

774
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 2: is not a play creator. He's not a second reaction

775
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 2: extended play creator outside the pocket. And so if you

776
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:41,279
Speaker 2: are xing off all three of those boxes all at

777
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:44,480
Speaker 2: once in a critical moment, you're gonna get what happened

778
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:44,759
Speaker 2: on Sun.

779
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:48,840
Speaker 1: And just just for the record, you can work around

780
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:51,839
Speaker 1: one of those things, the offensive line well, and any

781
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 1: of them, I'm saying, like you you can.

782
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:55,000
Speaker 2: There is really tough.

783
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:57,600
Speaker 1: You don't have to have all three. Basically, don't have

784
00:36:57,760 --> 00:36:58,360
Speaker 1: all three.

785
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:01,440
Speaker 2: But if you don't have a money winner, like if

786
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:03,719
Speaker 2: you don't have like a guy that when it is

787
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:07,759
Speaker 2: an absolute need to have it down. If you don't

788
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:10,920
Speaker 2: have a receiver that the quarterback can go to, it's hard.

789
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:12,839
Speaker 1: No, But but this is what I'm saying, Like, if

790
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 1: you have one of those three things, you're in good shape.

791
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:19,719
Speaker 1: I think if you have if you have two of

792
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:21,839
Speaker 1: good three, you're you're you're pretty cooking, right.

793
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 2: But they don't have that.

794
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:24,879
Speaker 1: They don't have. But that's my So I think you

795
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 1: say that, and I'm just like translating here and I'm

796
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:31,359
Speaker 1: not disagreeing with you, but it's like you say that,

797
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 1: like they didn't check any of these three boxes. They

798
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:35,360
Speaker 1: don't have anyse three things, and people like, oh no,

799
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:38,959
Speaker 1: blow it up, Like, yeah, you don't necessarily need all

800
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 1: of those threes exactly right, this is my point.

801
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:44,759
Speaker 2: And so yes, this is exactly my point. So this

802
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:46,880
Speaker 2: is my whole take on this, right, And this is

803
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:53,080
Speaker 2: exactly my point. If you had a receiver, if you

804
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:56,440
Speaker 2: handed aj Brown a Patriot jersey on Sunday and you

805
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:58,440
Speaker 2: had a receiver that could win that route out of

806
00:37:58,480 --> 00:37:59,800
Speaker 2: the slot, then you're golden.

807
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:01,719
Speaker 1: Then right, then none of the other two things don't

808
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 1: come into into play.

809
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 2: Play. If you had an offensive line that allowed mac

810
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:07,640
Speaker 2: John's to go through the progression. Then he hits Kendrick

811
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 2: Bourne from the pocket with a touchdown on the other

812
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 2: side of the field instead of having to move right.

813
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:17,239
Speaker 2: If you had a quarterback that was a wizard when

814
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:20,480
Speaker 2: the play breaks down, then you would have had another

815
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:23,319
Speaker 2: touchdo right, right, But they struck out on all three.

816
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:25,359
Speaker 1: So like and there were good teams Like I would say,

817
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:27,320
Speaker 1: the Chiefs don't have all three of those things, No,

818
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:29,880
Speaker 1: but they have Patrick, right, But that's the point. Or

819
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:32,279
Speaker 1: the Niners don't have all three of those things.

820
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 2: They have two of three. They have the offensive line,

821
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 2: they have the receiver.

822
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, but some people would hear that and say, if

823
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:38,719
Speaker 1: you don't have the quarterbacks to qualify, And that's just

824
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 1: the point of trying to prove, like there's ways to

825
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:43,040
Speaker 1: make it work. And this is why we were pounding

826
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 1: the table for Jerry Judy, this is why we were

827
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:49,280
Speaker 1: pounding the table for DeAndre Hopkins because we talked about

828
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:51,840
Speaker 1: after those moves ev in this offseason, what was the plan.

829
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:56,360
Speaker 1: The plan was they were banking on Bill O'Brien and

830
00:38:56,440 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 1: Adriene Klem to elevate the group they had rather than

831
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 1: add to it. But at the end of the day,

832
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:04,920
Speaker 1: it's a spot where you need somebody to win. Rout

833
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 1: might not be able to get that.

834
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just that's what it is.

835
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:11,279
Speaker 1: And and and let let me let me let me

836
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 1: say this, like O'Brien and Klement elevated that group on Sunday, Yeah,

837
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 1: they absolutely did. But it was just to the extent

838
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:19,840
Speaker 1: that they were never gonna be able to do to

839
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:22,880
Speaker 1: the extent which they need to because down two guards,

840
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 1: down the number one wide receiver. I know you're rolling right, Oh,

841
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:30,840
Speaker 1: we're celebrating twenty points. Given the scenario, twenty points. You

842
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 1: told me they were going to put up three hundred

843
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:35,399
Speaker 1: and eighty yards and twenty points in that scenario, I'd

844
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 1: say they did a pretty good job all things considered.

845
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:42,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, but they but they gave. They're not saying to

846
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:45,960
Speaker 2: be happy about team the way I look at it,

847
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 2: and I know that this is probably not how you're

848
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:50,880
Speaker 2: going to look at it. But to an extent, they

849
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 2: netted six points.

850
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 1: You you, you can't come away from that game and say,

851
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 1: Bill O'Brien did a badge.

852
00:39:57,280 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 2: Of I didn't say that I gave. But that's to

853
00:39:59,239 --> 00:39:59,799
Speaker 2: the point I'm.

854
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 1: Trying to That's the point I'm trying to make and

855
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:04,840
Speaker 1: your you're putting my point is like I'm agreeing with you.

856
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 1: Ohbrian and Clem. The plan was for O Brian Clem

857
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:13,280
Speaker 1: to elevate the group. They elevated the group on Sunday.

858
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:15,280
Speaker 2: But that's the whole plan for the whole team.

859
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:17,239
Speaker 1: But this is my point. I don't this is what

860
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:20,200
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I think what you're saying is basically they

861
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:22,759
Speaker 1: might not be able to elevate them to the point

862
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:23,520
Speaker 1: that they need to.

863
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:26,439
Speaker 2: Elevate them, not not in those big moments, right, And

864
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:32,400
Speaker 2: I the the difference is and I so this is

865
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:34,239
Speaker 2: this is my other mistake of why I came in

866
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 2: so hot. On Tuesday. After I watched the Patriots film

867
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:40,360
Speaker 2: and did did my my uh after further review and

868
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:42,359
Speaker 2: all that stuff for the Patriots and got that out

869
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:46,360
Speaker 2: of the way, I I turned on Chargers Dolphins and

870
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:50,080
Speaker 2: I watched the Chargers Dolphins game, and in that particular

871
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 2: game to A played out of his mind. He was fantastic.

872
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:56,600
Speaker 1: We played against a coach defense, but yeah.

873
00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:58,919
Speaker 2: He played out of his mind. He was really freaking good.

874
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:00,839
Speaker 2: Justin Herbert also really good.

875
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:01,960
Speaker 1: I know that.

876
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:07,160
Speaker 2: And so I watched two quarterbacks that right now might

877
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 2: be like top five, top ten quarterbacks in the league

878
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:15,000
Speaker 2: after watching Mac and the Patriots offense.

879
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 1: And oh so this is just recency bias seven, that's all.

880
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 2: This is partially the what. And I'm telling you it's

881
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 2: not just the quarterback play. So I don't want people

882
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:27,640
Speaker 2: to focus in on that either. It's not just the

883
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 2: quarterback play. But when I tell you that it looked

884
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:33,080
Speaker 2: like the Miami offense was playing a different sport, I

885
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 2: really am not saying like it really was. Because the

886
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:44,200
Speaker 2: Patriots offense needs to go ten plays on an eighty

887
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:47,440
Speaker 2: r drive and like meticulate, matriculate down the field and

888
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:49,480
Speaker 2: all that kind of stuff and not make any mistakes

889
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:51,880
Speaker 2: to go backwards, to stay ahead of the chains and

890
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:54,279
Speaker 2: beyond schedule and all. The Miami just like throws it

891
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 2: up to Tyreek and it's the touchdown, right, So.

892
00:41:56,200 --> 00:42:00,080
Speaker 1: Yes, but they don't have This is what's what's annoying

893
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 1: to me about your take. And by the way, they

894
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 1: don't need to do that. They went sixty three plays

895
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:06,400
Speaker 1: in six yards for touchdown before they had plays a

896
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 1: good two minute. That was a great two minute trail.

897
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 2: I almost put that as a gold star, But I

898
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 2: just gave it to.

899
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:12,879
Speaker 1: O'Brien, Okay, fair enough. I mean O'Brien played a big

900
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 1: part in it. They went They did that without calling

901
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 1: a time out, which is impressive. So you have proven

902
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:23,680
Speaker 1: that Tyreek Hill is better than any receiver on the Patriots.

903
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 1: Congratulations on your hot take.

904
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:30,160
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that. I'm just telling you that the execution,

905
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 2: the speed, the dynamic playmaking, like all that stuff from

906
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:36,560
Speaker 2: the quarterback on out was just different in that game,

907
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:42,239
Speaker 2: and that, as a Patriots fan, most importantly, is frustrating

908
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:44,759
Speaker 2: because we've been talking about this for four years now,

909
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:49,120
Speaker 2: really five, like going back to nineteen Brady's last year,

910
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 2: and it's the same story about the talent on the team.

911
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:57,600
Speaker 2: I agree with you that they looked better. I agree

912
00:42:57,600 --> 00:43:00,920
Speaker 2: with you that Mac looked better. Everybody looked better on offense.

913
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:04,600
Speaker 2: The coordinating was better, the play calling was better, the

914
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:08,839
Speaker 2: play design was better, the quarterback was better. But at

915
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 2: the end of the day, they still have middling talent.

916
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:16,400
Speaker 2: They just do. So you're right. I don't think they

917
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:19,920
Speaker 2: need to change the quarterback to make it even to

918
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:21,880
Speaker 2: get over the hump, if you want to call it that,

919
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 2: but they had to change something and now We're in

920
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 2: the season, so they're probably not going to make any

921
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:28,920
Speaker 2: drastic changes to the roster.

922
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:30,560
Speaker 1: I mean, is there a change they could make at

923
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:32,239
Speaker 1: this point that would I guess Mike Evans would be

924
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 1: the one.

925
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:35,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, if Mike Evans or like T Higgins comes available

926
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:36,160
Speaker 2: or something like that.

927
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:37,680
Speaker 1: I don't think the Bengals are tracking a right.

928
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:39,439
Speaker 2: But let's I don't want to get too bogged down

929
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:42,200
Speaker 2: all this as we already have, so let's open up

930
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 2: the phone lines and then I do want to talk

931
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 2: about the defense. We're going to talk about the Dolphins.

932
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 2: So let's turn the page here and uh, we'll see

933
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:50,960
Speaker 2: what you guys have to say. Roger's in Wakefield. Roger,

934
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 2: if you're still there, I really appreciate you waiting on

935
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:53,719
Speaker 2: hold this long.

936
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, nobody.

937
00:43:57,880 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 2: Be good. How are you?

938
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:03,240
Speaker 4: Let's move on from this game. We had enough discussed

939
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 4: the back and will pell at the cross to building.

940
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 4: So I just have two comments. One is from the

941
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:15,800
Speaker 4: Dolphins game, which I want your response. How the fazious

942
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:19,400
Speaker 4: defense is going to handle the hall the whole motion

943
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 4: thing of Tyre Kim, How Jonathan Jones and the other

944
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:27,400
Speaker 4: cornerbacks who will be trying to cover him tackle that

945
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:31,440
Speaker 4: And the second one is what I felt is they

946
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:35,520
Speaker 4: they played a lot of bookies in the game greats

947
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:38,360
Speaker 4: except one troop. He played only ten steps.

948
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:39,280
Speaker 5: That is market.

949
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:43,200
Speaker 4: I think they kept him safe. That's what I think.

950
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:44,640
Speaker 4: I want your take.

951
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:48,440
Speaker 2: So you think, what was it on Marty Mapu? Sorry,

952
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:52,600
Speaker 2: I I think they were hiding him for this game.

953
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:55,239
Speaker 4: They are not unleashing him in that game. They just

954
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 4: want to be use his powers in this game, his

955
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:00,839
Speaker 4: speed or something like that. That's what I think.

956
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:05,080
Speaker 2: Got it, got it. Thanks for the Colorajer, you really

957
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:09,960
Speaker 2: appreciate it. And we'll we'll we'll answer that question. Do

958
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:11,799
Speaker 2: you think they were hiding Mark. I don't know if

959
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 2: they were hiding him.

960
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:14,400
Speaker 1: I think he said for this game, like why they

961
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:16,640
Speaker 1: didn't see him in the in the summer. I mean

962
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:18,239
Speaker 1: he was hurt as part of it.

963
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 2: So I don't know.

964
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:21,759
Speaker 1: I don't think they hit him in this game. I

965
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:24,760
Speaker 1: mean you saw him spying Jalen Hurts, he was covering

966
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 1: a J. Brown down the field. He was everywhere.

967
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:28,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean only played like ten snaps.

968
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, he played some high impact snaps. He did like

969
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:32,839
Speaker 1: the assignments they gave him time.

970
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 2: My guess is that the way that they view So

971
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:37,239
Speaker 2: Christian Zal is gonna playe hundred percent of snaps every

972
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 2: week right like he's he's out there, he's first round pick.

973
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:41,719
Speaker 2: He's going to play all the time. I think with

974
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:45,279
Speaker 2: Kean Whiten and Marte Maphu to not put like too

975
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:47,080
Speaker 2: much on their plate right out of the gate. My

976
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:50,080
Speaker 2: guess is the plan, like you kind of just alluded to,

977
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:54,759
Speaker 2: is to pick and choose your high impact spots with

978
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 2: those guys. I thought Mapu was fine. I mean I

979
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:01,960
Speaker 2: there was one rep that I really really liked from him. Obviously,

980
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 2: the post safety rep was was nice with Gonzalez on

981
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:07,279
Speaker 2: the post, but he had the post corner route to

982
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:09,560
Speaker 2: a J. Brown that was good. But there was a

983
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:12,279
Speaker 2: play and this was a this was an issue for them,

984
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:15,319
Speaker 2: uh in terms of picking up the crosser from this

985
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:17,600
Speaker 2: passing strength going to the weak side of the field

986
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:21,120
Speaker 2: and uh, Marty mop who was in the week cook

987
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:23,360
Speaker 2: and and he actually turned and picked up the crosser

988
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:25,400
Speaker 2: for the first guy that did it right like you

989
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:29,280
Speaker 2: know Bentley I thought missed one. I think it was Bentley.

990
00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:29,759
Speaker 6: Uh.

991
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:31,840
Speaker 2: And then somebody that was playing in the slab I

992
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:33,600
Speaker 2: don't remember who it was somebody that was playing in

993
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:36,239
Speaker 2: the slot, miss miss Dallas Goddard on that post corner

994
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:39,399
Speaker 2: route and he was wide open if if Jalen Hurts

995
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:42,200
Speaker 2: had thrown had thrown the crosser, and I thought Marty

996
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 2: mop who did a really nice job of taking that away.

997
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:46,760
Speaker 2: So maybe it was something they came to the sideline

998
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:48,520
Speaker 2: and they said, hey, guys, we gotta we gotta clean

999
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:50,400
Speaker 2: this up, and and he was able to be on it.

1000
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:52,520
Speaker 2: I don't know, But do I think they were hiding

1001
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:55,799
Speaker 2: him No. I think that they are easing him in

1002
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:57,919
Speaker 2: is a better way of putting it. I don't think

1003
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:00,920
Speaker 2: that they feel like he's fully ready to play as

1004
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:03,440
Speaker 2: much as like Gonzalez played, for example.

1005
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:05,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's fair.

1006
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 2: All right, let's take this file from Todd. What's up Todd?

1007
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:14,480
Speaker 3: Hey, guys. So, I think the difference between McDaniel's offense

1008
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:16,560
Speaker 3: when you know Mack was in it, and then.

1009
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 5: Of course last year's debacle is.

1010
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:22,920
Speaker 3: That Bill O'Brien can actually game plan and just develop

1011
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:26,960
Speaker 3: an offense based around mac talents. I don't think McDaniels

1012
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:28,879
Speaker 3: did that. I think he's you know, might have changed

1013
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:31,360
Speaker 3: his opens a little bit, but it's still McDaniel's offense.

1014
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:32,759
Speaker 3: He wants you to run it. The same thing is

1015
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:35,280
Speaker 3: happening at the Raiders is like, you run my offense.

1016
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:39,200
Speaker 3: That's why you know last year there was quarterback controversy

1017
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:42,959
Speaker 3: because you know, it wasn't wasn't as a round peg

1018
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:46,440
Speaker 3: in a square hole, vice versa whichever. And I think

1019
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 3: that maybe, just maybe, you know, as a league, as

1020
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:52,359
Speaker 3: the year progresses, we're going to see something from Max

1021
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:54,400
Speaker 3: that you know, this is the year, This is the

1022
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:56,600
Speaker 3: year when he gets a chance, because this should be

1023
00:47:56,840 --> 00:47:59,799
Speaker 3: his offense and designed around him. So I think this

1024
00:47:59,880 --> 00:48:02,400
Speaker 3: is a make or break here. In all honesty, I

1025
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:04,319
Speaker 3: don't see him coming out of this year with either

1026
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 3: being successful or gone. I can't see any other thing.

1027
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:09,839
Speaker 3: I don't see him continuing. If he's not successful, he's

1028
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:12,359
Speaker 3: done because this offense is his. What do you guys

1029
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:12,839
Speaker 3: think safe?

1030
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:15,400
Speaker 2: Yeah? Great, great call to great call because I couldn't

1031
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 2: agree more about the difference between O'Brien and McDaniels, because

1032
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:22,319
Speaker 2: this is something Alex said, I don't necessarily want it

1033
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:24,120
Speaker 2: to be. You know, I love Josh McDaniels. I'm a

1034
00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:26,840
Speaker 2: big McDaniels guy, but I agree with Todd one hundred

1035
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:30,920
Speaker 2: and fifty percent that McDaniels is McDaniels. McDaniels runs his

1036
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:34,920
Speaker 2: offense to the point where, frankly, other than like the

1037
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:37,000
Speaker 2: read option stuff that they put in for Cam Newton,

1038
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 2: they were asking Cam Newton to like do Tom Brady thing.

1039
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:42,480
Speaker 2: Yeah in twenty twenty, Like, they didn't change the passing

1040
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:45,240
Speaker 2: concepts of that offense a whole lot for Cam Newton.

1041
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:50,239
Speaker 2: So I agree one hundred and ten percent that McDaniels

1042
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:53,880
Speaker 2: is you do my you run my things like this

1043
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 2: is my offense.

1044
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:56,839
Speaker 1: You figure how many like scheme touch guys that they

1045
00:48:56,840 --> 00:48:59,000
Speaker 1: try to bring in here under McDaniels that's never worked out,

1046
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:00,720
Speaker 1: like you'd see those pass and stuff.

1047
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:03,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he what's happening with the Raiders. And I

1048
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:08,200
Speaker 2: think that they drafted mac Jones in part because they

1049
00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:10,840
Speaker 2: figure kne Josh McDaniel's going to be his offensive coordinator.

1050
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:12,960
Speaker 2: Maybe they thought it was going to be a longer

1051
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:15,680
Speaker 2: runway than it ended up being. Yeah, but they thought

1052
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:18,200
Speaker 2: Josh McDaniel's going to be the offensive coordinator, and in

1053
00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:21,760
Speaker 2: that draft, he was the best fit for the McDaniels offense,

1054
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:24,240
Speaker 2: And that's why they they drafted him in the first round.

1055
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:27,160
Speaker 2: So I agree wholeheartedly that that's a great way of

1056
00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:31,520
Speaker 2: putting the differences I feel between McDaniels and O'Brien, because

1057
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:36,000
Speaker 2: I will add this, I don't think that the pat

1058
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:39,399
Speaker 2: I don't think it's I don't think it's fair to

1059
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:42,680
Speaker 2: say or categorize and say that the Patriots are running

1060
00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:45,680
Speaker 2: the same offense they were running with Josh McDaniels. I

1061
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:50,120
Speaker 2: think there's a lot of pretty significant schematic differences between

1062
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:53,640
Speaker 2: how O'Brien approaches the offense and how McDaniels approached the offense,

1063
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:58,080
Speaker 2: both from a formation grouping standpoint, obviously not having a

1064
00:49:58,120 --> 00:50:01,439
Speaker 2: fullback and not having twenty one personal and not using

1065
00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:05,239
Speaker 2: at avenue. But also I would just say from the

1066
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:07,839
Speaker 2: way that their passing game is is designed, I think

1067
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:12,960
Speaker 2: it's significantly not not say significantly maybe, but different. They

1068
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:14,560
Speaker 2: have a lot of the same concepts, they have a

1069
00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:17,920
Speaker 2: lot of the same ideas in terms of, like you know,

1070
00:50:18,520 --> 00:50:21,359
Speaker 2: option routes based off of leverage and like things like that,

1071
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:24,279
Speaker 2: but like in terms of how they design their offenses,

1072
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:29,439
Speaker 2: I don't think it's a fair, uh categorization to say

1073
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:31,640
Speaker 2: that this is the same offense. That they were running

1074
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:32,359
Speaker 2: at twenty twenty one.

1075
00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:34,319
Speaker 1: No, it's definitely not. I mean they're related, you know,

1076
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:36,480
Speaker 1: it's they're they're closer to each other than they are

1077
00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:37,600
Speaker 1: to Patricia's offense.

1078
00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:38,360
Speaker 2: Their cousins.

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Speaker 1: Well, no, but I mean like they're close to each

1080
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:42,400
Speaker 1: other than they either one is to Patricia's offense, but

1081
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:46,320
Speaker 1: they're not. Yeah, they're not the same thing either their cousins.

1082
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:49,120
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, like when you talk about like languages, right,

1083
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:52,400
Speaker 1: and it's like, you know, like English and French and languages.

1084
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:56,359
Speaker 2: It's like if you were speaking uh, you know, Italian. Yeah,

1085
00:50:56,360 --> 00:50:59,680
Speaker 2: but like sometimes like Northern Italians different than Southern Italian.

1086
00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:01,040
Speaker 1: Like, I don't I even thought it was more different

1087
00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:02,360
Speaker 1: than that. I was going to say. More, it's like,

1088
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:06,239
Speaker 1: you know, like French English, it's spand it they all

1089
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:08,040
Speaker 1: come from like the Saint they all come from Latin, right,

1090
00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:11,080
Speaker 1: and then there's everyone it's called like other languages and

1091
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:11,759
Speaker 1: other parts of the world.

1092
00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:15,000
Speaker 2: So you think that that they're both romance languages.

1093
00:51:14,719 --> 00:51:17,440
Speaker 1: Right, But that's the term I'm looking for res Like, yeah,

1094
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:19,800
Speaker 1: so they're in that same family, but they're different languages.

1095
00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:22,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with that, And but I hear that

1096
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:25,719
Speaker 2: a lot like that, Oh it's the same offense, Like, no,

1097
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:27,520
Speaker 2: it's really not, it's really not.

1098
00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:29,399
Speaker 1: And then it's this, now, all right, I'll say this

1099
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:32,440
Speaker 1: if it's if we're going to compare it to something

1100
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:34,160
Speaker 1: that and I don't think I'm breaking any news here.

1101
00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:37,520
Speaker 1: The comparison to Mac Jones past is to Alabama, No,

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00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:38,279
Speaker 1: to his rookie year.

1103
00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:40,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, because that was the other thing I was about

1104
00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:42,359
Speaker 2: to say was that, you know, McDaniels doesn't run any

1105
00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:45,480
Speaker 2: of this college stuff, like he doesn't run. Yeah, he

1106
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:47,560
Speaker 2: doesn't run any of that kind of stuff as much

1107
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:49,319
Speaker 2: I should. You know, it's in his playbook, but he

1108
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:52,840
Speaker 2: doesn't really. He told me in twenty one. I remember

1109
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:55,040
Speaker 2: asking him about it and he said, we don't major

1110
00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:55,960
Speaker 2: in RP.

1111
00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:57,560
Speaker 1: He was like, mad, at you've asked.

1112
00:51:58,120 --> 00:52:00,200
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, it was ridiculous that they weren't running them.

1113
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:02,520
Speaker 2: I love the guy, but like, yeah, this quarter this

1114
00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:05,200
Speaker 2: RPO quarterback that lit it up on RPOs in college

1115
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:07,239
Speaker 2: and they just never called them for Mac his rookie year.

1116
00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:10,880
Speaker 2: It was it was ridiculous. Anyways, I digress, but I

1117
00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:15,520
Speaker 2: agree with Todd that that is a feather in O'Brien's

1118
00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:18,560
Speaker 2: cap that I think O'Brien will continue to build this

1119
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:20,919
Speaker 2: offense around Mac Jones, and I think he already has.

1120
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Speaker 2: Like the fact that this offense didn't have a whole

1121
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:26,600
Speaker 2: lot of deep shots in this game, I think was

1122
00:52:26,680 --> 00:52:29,319
Speaker 2: related to the offensive line, but I also think it's

1123
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:31,480
Speaker 2: related to Mac Jones. I think that they know that

1124
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:34,120
Speaker 2: they're going to time up their deep shots, but they're

1125
00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:37,319
Speaker 2: not necessarily going to be like we saw last year

1126
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:39,680
Speaker 2: in the first six weeks of the season before Mac

1127
00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:41,440
Speaker 2: got hurt. I should say first three weeks of the

1128
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:45,040
Speaker 2: season before Mac got hurt, it was bombs away, right,

1129
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:46,600
Speaker 2: And they're definitely not going to be that kind of

1130
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:49,000
Speaker 2: offense this year. So I agree that McDaniels are in,

1131
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:52,759
Speaker 2: O'Brien are different, and O'Brien, I think is I don't

1132
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:55,480
Speaker 2: know if it's necessarily that O'Brien's changing his offense for Mac,

1133
00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:59,839
Speaker 2: but his offense is already almost pre built to fit

1134
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:02,200
Speaker 2: Mac and to fit what Max's done in the past

1135
00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:04,760
Speaker 2: a little bit better. All right, let's go to Sean

1136
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:06,160
Speaker 2: and Vancouver. What's up Sean?

1137
00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:08,359
Speaker 3: Hey Evan.

1138
00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:11,840
Speaker 7: First off, I'd like to say Shanatova.

1139
00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:14,920
Speaker 2: To Alex too, both of us, right, Alex.

1140
00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:15,719
Speaker 4: Oh, both of you both.

1141
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:18,399
Speaker 7: I didn't even know Alex. I didn't realize you were

1142
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:19,480
Speaker 7: Jewish as well.

1143
00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:22,839
Speaker 2: But yeah, really, okay, that's a compliment, I think.

1144
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:24,480
Speaker 1: No, I know, it's just most people.

1145
00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:29,040
Speaker 2: It's it's anyway, happy New Year, to thank you.

1146
00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:29,080
Speaker 8: Thank you.

1147
00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:32,439
Speaker 7: Okay. So, Evan, when I called in on Tuesday, didn't

1148
00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:35,200
Speaker 7: get a chance or I wasn't able to respond when

1149
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:38,280
Speaker 7: you you were wondering why I was encouraged by today

1150
00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:42,080
Speaker 7: you with your three points, you answered it. That's exactly why.

1151
00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:45,840
Speaker 7: And I don't have expectations that a lot of people

1152
00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:48,480
Speaker 7: do for this season, like we've we've talked a lot

1153
00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:52,480
Speaker 7: during the off season about team construction and how disappointing

1154
00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:56,359
Speaker 7: that was. So I don't expect the Patriots to make

1155
00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:59,279
Speaker 7: the playoffs. That's that's not where my my brain is.

1156
00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:02,839
Speaker 7: But looks like you were saying earlier, you know, it's

1157
00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:09,480
Speaker 7: encouraging without being a kind of a consolation prize of

1158
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:13,759
Speaker 7: not winning. You know, I'm just thinking like, okay, yeah,

1159
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:17,360
Speaker 7: we've seen this before. It doesn't always work, but maybe

1160
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:19,799
Speaker 7: it will this time. And that's where I am as

1161
00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:22,759
Speaker 7: a Patriots fan, Like if I were a Canadians fan,

1162
00:54:23,719 --> 00:54:26,400
Speaker 7: I wouldn't even be there. Like in terms of the NHL,

1163
00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:27,960
Speaker 7: I would just think, I'm going to wait for them

1164
00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:30,920
Speaker 7: to show me something because it's just too dismal to

1165
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:34,840
Speaker 7: even bother with. But with the Patriots, it's I've always

1166
00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:37,520
Speaker 7: been a Patriots fan, even back in the nineties when

1167
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:39,960
Speaker 7: you know, ninety and ninety one, ninety two, when it

1168
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:44,840
Speaker 7: was terrible. It's it's just what I do. So I

1169
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:47,440
Speaker 7: have to be encouraged and these are the signs. In

1170
00:54:47,520 --> 00:54:52,360
Speaker 7: last year it was just a total mess, And like

1171
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:55,680
Speaker 7: what you said with Bob, it's it looks like, okay,

1172
00:54:55,719 --> 00:54:58,759
Speaker 7: there is some structure, we can make some headway and

1173
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:01,000
Speaker 7: things can move forward. So that's what I'm getting at.

1174
00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:04,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, that's great. On Tuesday August, just to give

1175
00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:06,920
Speaker 2: you context, thanks for the call, Sean, people were just

1176
00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:08,880
Speaker 2: calling in and saying I still have hope, and I

1177
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:11,680
Speaker 2: was like, can we just like add some context to

1178
00:55:11,719 --> 00:55:13,640
Speaker 2: your hope, like just saying that you have blind hope?

1179
00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:15,000
Speaker 2: To me, it means nothing.

1180
00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:18,280
Speaker 1: That's that's fan. I mean, we're ultimately rooting for laundry.

1181
00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:20,239
Speaker 1: But no, I think what the college just said is

1182
00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:21,759
Speaker 1: exactly my point. Do you know what a Rars Shark

1183
00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:22,239
Speaker 1: test is?

1184
00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:22,920
Speaker 3: Uh?

1185
00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:27,000
Speaker 1: No, So Rors Shark test does, yeah, green does? Yeah?

1186
00:55:27,120 --> 00:55:29,800
Speaker 1: You know you know all right, it's an ink blot test.

1187
00:55:30,120 --> 00:55:32,799
Speaker 1: Ink blot test. Okay, So it's like a psychology thing.

1188
00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:35,359
Speaker 1: So they have they have like you have like six

1189
00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:37,759
Speaker 1: or eight piece of paper that they just drop ink

1190
00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:40,560
Speaker 1: on and they show me to you without any context,

1191
00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:42,920
Speaker 1: and you say, what you see. It's like looking at clouds,

1192
00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:45,919
Speaker 1: and the idea is supposedly based off what people see

1193
00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:49,440
Speaker 1: in the ink, you kind of learn about who they

1194
00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:51,239
Speaker 1: are as a person. You can learn about their personality.

1195
00:55:51,719 --> 00:55:53,839
Speaker 1: This game, to me is a Rars Shark test. What

1196
00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:56,759
Speaker 1: you saw in it depends on and tells me about

1197
00:55:56,800 --> 00:55:57,600
Speaker 1: what kind of fan you are.

1198
00:55:57,680 --> 00:56:00,520
Speaker 2: So you're basically saying I'm a I hate fun You're.

1199
00:56:01,880 --> 00:56:04,920
Speaker 1: Like exactly or the other one. Just to flex my

1200
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:08,560
Speaker 1: c and ap psych senior high school. You know, Schrodinger's

1201
00:56:08,600 --> 00:56:12,319
Speaker 1: Cat is no. Schrodinger's Cat is this thought experiment that

1202
00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:15,640
Speaker 1: basically there's a cat in a box with like a

1203
00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:19,520
Speaker 1: little like like just basically the idea that if there's

1204
00:56:19,560 --> 00:56:22,040
Speaker 1: a cat in a box with poison, you don't know

1205
00:56:22,080 --> 00:56:23,759
Speaker 1: if the cat is alive. Or dead until you open

1206
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:28,600
Speaker 1: the box. And the like philosophical thing behind that is so,

1207
00:56:28,680 --> 00:56:31,880
Speaker 1: until you open the box, the cat is both simultaneously

1208
00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:34,839
Speaker 1: alive and dead. If that makes sense, both things are true, right,

1209
00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:37,319
Speaker 1: both things are true. So this game in some ways

1210
00:56:37,360 --> 00:56:39,200
Speaker 1: Schrodinger's game, because we don't know, we don't have the

1211
00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:43,680
Speaker 1: box open. Is this because it does both look like

1212
00:56:44,680 --> 00:56:46,480
Speaker 1: that's as much again I got to see in the classes,

1213
00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:49,719
Speaker 1: as far as I'm gonna go, that's absolutely they do.

1214
00:56:50,640 --> 00:56:52,600
Speaker 1: Somebody in the chat said one p sych course in college,

1215
00:56:52,640 --> 00:56:56,239
Speaker 1: try one side course in high school. This game, it

1216
00:56:56,360 --> 00:57:02,120
Speaker 1: is both simultaneously the first step under Bill O'Brien and

1217
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:05,160
Speaker 1: in that bubbles and encouraging first step. It is also

1218
00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:08,000
Speaker 1: the continuation of the post Tom Brady hour in the

1219
00:57:08,080 --> 00:57:11,279
Speaker 1: last four years and until we take the lid off

1220
00:57:11,320 --> 00:57:15,280
Speaker 1: the box play more football games. I think both interpretations

1221
00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:17,960
Speaker 1: for now are correct. And if you want to call

1222
00:57:17,960 --> 00:57:19,520
Speaker 1: that a cop out, call it a cop out. It

1223
00:57:19,600 --> 00:57:22,600
Speaker 1: probably is a little bit. But like I can't you

1224
00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:24,240
Speaker 1: know how I am. I'm gonna sit here and tell

1225
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:26,480
Speaker 1: you what I believe. If you make a valid argument,

1226
00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:28,640
Speaker 1: even if I disagree with it, if you back it

1227
00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:31,440
Speaker 1: up I'm going to agree with you. I think you

1228
00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:34,880
Speaker 1: could make either argument in a way that I would agree.

1229
00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:37,440
Speaker 1: We talk, we were arguing to the other night. I said, yes,

1230
00:57:37,480 --> 00:57:41,440
Speaker 1: you're not wrong. They haven't proven they can win that game,

1231
00:57:41,480 --> 00:57:42,800
Speaker 1: and I am gonna need to see him do it.

1232
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:46,000
Speaker 1: But at the same time, a team with a first

1233
00:57:46,080 --> 00:57:48,800
Speaker 1: year roc with a young quarterback doing what they did

1234
00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:52,800
Speaker 1: against that defense, well, it certainly wasn't enough for week

1235
00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:54,840
Speaker 1: one to say this is the floor you have, this

1236
00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:58,200
Speaker 1: is what you're building on in theory. In theory, yes,

1237
00:57:58,720 --> 00:58:00,560
Speaker 1: Week one is your worst perform So.

1238
00:58:00,520 --> 00:58:02,439
Speaker 2: But this is I guess. This is where I come

1239
00:58:02,520 --> 00:58:06,160
Speaker 2: from with it, is that I knew this was their

1240
00:58:06,200 --> 00:58:08,640
Speaker 2: floor going into the year, so I didn't learn anything new.

1241
00:58:09,360 --> 00:58:10,760
Speaker 2: I knew, okay, but you're.

1242
00:58:10,600 --> 00:58:12,880
Speaker 1: Almost acting like this is closer to the ceiling than

1243
00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:13,320
Speaker 1: the floor.

1244
00:58:14,800 --> 00:58:17,720
Speaker 2: I suppose, like I guess that's where they just people.

1245
00:58:18,560 --> 00:58:21,080
Speaker 2: I think the way I look at it, and this is,

1246
00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:23,000
Speaker 2: you know, kind of where I'm coming from with all

1247
00:58:23,040 --> 00:58:25,520
Speaker 2: of it, is that I think this is a floor

1248
00:58:25,560 --> 00:58:29,960
Speaker 2: football team. I think this football team is designed and

1249
00:58:30,200 --> 00:58:36,600
Speaker 2: built to have the coaching and the operation and the

1250
00:58:36,640 --> 00:58:41,360
Speaker 2: program and all of this stuff put a good floor

1251
00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:44,320
Speaker 2: of eight or nine wins, and then they hope that

1252
00:58:44,600 --> 00:58:46,280
Speaker 2: you get it. You get a good bounce here, you

1253
00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:48,720
Speaker 2: get a bounce there, you play a backup quarterback here,

1254
00:58:48,760 --> 00:58:50,800
Speaker 2: you play a backup quarterback there, and then all of

1255
00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:52,800
Speaker 2: a sudden, you're ten to eleven wins, right, Like you.

1256
00:58:52,720 --> 00:59:01,520
Speaker 1: Know, right. So, I think given the opponent, like I think,

1257
00:59:01,560 --> 00:59:03,280
Speaker 1: a lot of people expect them to get stopped because

1258
00:59:03,280 --> 00:59:03,760
Speaker 1: the Eagles are.

1259
00:59:04,520 --> 00:59:07,360
Speaker 2: That's the other thing is I didn't so going into

1260
00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:11,400
Speaker 2: this game, I picked Eagles twenty seven Patriots twenty.

1261
00:59:11,440 --> 00:59:14,960
Speaker 1: I think the Eagles were top two teams even if

1262
00:59:14,960 --> 00:59:16,560
Speaker 1: you want to go beyond the romantics of that. The

1263
00:59:16,560 --> 00:59:18,760
Speaker 1: Eagles were top four team in the nflast year.

1264
00:59:18,920 --> 00:59:22,040
Speaker 2: But but, but, but but you have to put this

1265
00:59:22,440 --> 00:59:26,120
Speaker 2: in context. The Eagles did not play a soul in

1266
00:59:26,200 --> 00:59:27,560
Speaker 2: the preseason.

1267
00:59:27,640 --> 00:59:29,400
Speaker 1: And because the Patriots played so much.

1268
00:59:29,840 --> 00:59:35,280
Speaker 2: But I'm saying that all the trends of the Patriots

1269
00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:39,720
Speaker 2: being at home on Tom Brady's return against a raigning

1270
00:59:40,760 --> 00:59:44,000
Speaker 2: Super Bowl loser that did not play anybody in the

1271
00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:47,200
Speaker 2: preseason told you that the Eagles were probably not going

1272
00:59:47,240 --> 00:59:50,320
Speaker 2: to be firing at all cylinders to come out here

1273
00:59:50,440 --> 00:59:51,240
Speaker 2: and blow.

1274
00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:53,680
Speaker 1: Down when teams used to come in here and it

1275
00:59:53,720 --> 00:59:56,600
Speaker 1: was close. Even though the Patriots won, we would say, oh,

1276
00:59:56,960 --> 00:59:59,560
Speaker 1: it's a scrappy team. That team might be building something.

1277
01:00:00,080 --> 01:00:01,640
Speaker 1: Patriots are just on the other side of that. Now,

1278
01:00:02,520 --> 01:00:05,160
Speaker 1: that's all that is. I think being five points worse

1279
01:00:05,200 --> 01:00:07,440
Speaker 1: and the defending NFC champion does carry some weight with

1280
01:00:07,480 --> 01:00:09,480
Speaker 1: a lot of people. Whether you think that's fair or not,

1281
01:00:09,600 --> 01:00:11,560
Speaker 1: kind of gets to my point of the game is

1282
01:00:11,600 --> 01:00:12,560
Speaker 1: whatever you want to.

1283
01:00:12,840 --> 01:00:15,640
Speaker 2: But my only point of of all this and then

1284
01:00:15,680 --> 01:00:19,360
Speaker 2: we're getting bogged down and classically in an argument that

1285
01:00:19,360 --> 01:00:20,280
Speaker 2: we're not going I think.

1286
01:00:20,160 --> 01:00:22,240
Speaker 1: That's what people want to hear after you've lost your

1287
01:00:22,280 --> 01:00:24,760
Speaker 1: mind on Tuesday. Apparently I didn't even hear it.

1288
01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:26,400
Speaker 2: I say, did you even listen to the show?

1289
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Speaker 5: No?

1290
01:00:26,640 --> 01:00:27,280
Speaker 2: But I had not.

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01:00:27,320 --> 01:00:29,920
Speaker 1: Even on Twitter. I had friends texting me asking if

1292
01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:32,360
Speaker 1: you were okay because it was so I can only

1293
01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:33,640
Speaker 1: imagine it was spectacular.

1294
01:00:33,680 --> 01:00:35,280
Speaker 2: It was spectacular. I'm proud of it.

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01:00:35,360 --> 01:00:37,120
Speaker 1: So I think this is what people want to hear.

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Speaker 2: Against Bill Belichick.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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01:00:39,320 --> 01:00:44,520
Speaker 2: Here's the thing that my whole thing I think coming

1299
01:00:44,560 --> 01:00:48,439
Speaker 2: into this game was I thought that the Eagles would

1300
01:00:48,400 --> 01:00:51,040
Speaker 2: be a little bit rusty. I thought that the Patriots

1301
01:00:51,080 --> 01:00:53,240
Speaker 2: would keep this close because of all the things I

1302
01:00:53,360 --> 01:00:58,720
Speaker 2: just laid out, So just being competitive, I expected them.

1303
01:00:58,800 --> 01:01:04,400
Speaker 1: Okay, being five points worse than the Eagles is you know,

1304
01:01:04,760 --> 01:01:06,480
Speaker 1: how many points better are the Eagles involvement?

1305
01:01:06,600 --> 01:01:09,760
Speaker 2: But they're not five points worse than the Eagles team

1306
01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:11,880
Speaker 2: that took the field in the Super Bowl in February.

1307
01:01:12,120 --> 01:01:14,880
Speaker 2: They're five points worse than an Eagles team that essentially

1308
01:01:14,880 --> 01:01:16,240
Speaker 2: treated this game as a preseason.

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01:01:16,240 --> 01:01:19,280
Speaker 1: Okay, but they're going to grow. It's not like they're

1310
01:01:19,320 --> 01:01:21,160
Speaker 1: not going to have opportunities to improve either.

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01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:23,520
Speaker 2: I get it. I'm just saying that the reason why

1312
01:01:23,560 --> 01:01:25,440
Speaker 2: I came into the game thinking that it's going to

1313
01:01:25,480 --> 01:01:27,680
Speaker 2: be a one score game to begin with was because

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01:01:27,800 --> 01:01:30,200
Speaker 2: of all of the trends with the Eagles, right, and

1315
01:01:30,280 --> 01:01:31,640
Speaker 2: so I didn't expect.

1316
01:01:31,640 --> 01:01:33,000
Speaker 1: But the Patriots don't get trends.

1317
01:01:33,160 --> 01:01:35,000
Speaker 2: Is kind of like, because my point is that I

1318
01:01:35,040 --> 01:01:36,960
Speaker 2: don't think I think a lot of people, like you

1319
01:01:37,200 --> 01:01:39,400
Speaker 2: kind of said a few minutes ago, a lot of

1320
01:01:39,400 --> 01:01:41,160
Speaker 2: people thought the Patriots are going to get blown out

1321
01:01:41,160 --> 01:01:41,600
Speaker 2: in this game.

1322
01:01:42,080 --> 01:01:45,040
Speaker 1: I never felt that way, even when even when we

1323
01:01:45,120 --> 01:01:47,000
Speaker 1: got the inter report and Mike and went and Cole

1324
01:01:47,040 --> 01:01:49,160
Speaker 1: Strange weren't playing and Devonte Parker was ruled out.

1325
01:01:49,280 --> 01:01:52,680
Speaker 2: I was more I was a little bit concerned at

1326
01:01:52,680 --> 01:01:55,560
Speaker 2: that point, but I still didn't think the Eagles would

1327
01:01:55,560 --> 01:01:58,240
Speaker 2: have the execution offensively to run away with it because

1328
01:01:58,240 --> 01:02:02,960
Speaker 2: of how little those guys did in August. And that's

1329
01:02:03,000 --> 01:02:05,120
Speaker 2: just you know. I think Reese put it in his

1330
01:02:05,200 --> 01:02:06,800
Speaker 2: Sunday notes coming into the.

1331
01:02:07,280 --> 01:02:09,080
Speaker 1: I think what we've unlocked here is not that you're

1332
01:02:09,120 --> 01:02:11,720
Speaker 1: being too estimatetic. You may have been being too optimistic.

1333
01:02:11,840 --> 01:02:15,360
Speaker 2: Maybe I think that's the real problem here, is we've

1334
01:02:15,520 --> 01:02:18,560
Speaker 2: launched it was it was a combination of of my

1335
01:02:18,680 --> 01:02:20,760
Speaker 2: expectations coming into the game, where maybe a little bit

1336
01:02:20,800 --> 01:02:23,400
Speaker 2: higher than other people, because I thought the Patriots would

1337
01:02:23,400 --> 01:02:26,280
Speaker 2: compete in the game to begin with. I think the

1338
01:02:26,360 --> 01:02:29,320
Speaker 2: reason why is I said the trends. But I also

1339
01:02:29,680 --> 01:02:31,720
Speaker 2: mention I think the Patriots are going to compete in

1340
01:02:31,760 --> 01:02:34,040
Speaker 2: a lot of games because they have that floor. Their

1341
01:02:34,080 --> 01:02:37,320
Speaker 2: coaching is good. Their coaching is good, and I want

1342
01:02:37,360 --> 01:02:40,080
Speaker 2: to talk about the defense who coached their butts off

1343
01:02:40,080 --> 01:02:43,320
Speaker 2: on that side of the ball against the Eagles. Their

1344
01:02:43,360 --> 01:02:46,760
Speaker 2: coaching is good. They have good coaching, So they're going

1345
01:02:46,840 --> 01:02:49,640
Speaker 2: to be a floor team because of that they're not

1346
01:02:49,720 --> 01:02:53,320
Speaker 2: going to stink because they're coaching is really really sound

1347
01:02:53,520 --> 01:02:56,479
Speaker 2: on both sides of the football. So I can't thought,

1348
01:02:56,520 --> 01:02:58,840
Speaker 2: coming in along with the fact that I thought the

1349
01:02:58,840 --> 01:03:01,200
Speaker 2: Patriots are going to hang in there against most teams

1350
01:03:01,240 --> 01:03:04,200
Speaker 2: this year, that the Patriots would be close in this

1351
01:03:04,320 --> 01:03:07,439
Speaker 2: game against Philadelphia. And that's exactly what happened. And as

1352
01:03:07,480 --> 01:03:11,120
Speaker 2: the game was ending live, we sat talked to him

1353
01:03:11,120 --> 01:03:13,240
Speaker 2: about this on Tuesday, so Marine can back me up.

1354
01:03:13,600 --> 01:03:17,080
Speaker 2: Deuce and Paul were saying, they're gonna win the game. Patriots. Yeah,

1355
01:03:17,080 --> 01:03:18,920
Speaker 2: they're gonna drive in, They're gonna win the game, and

1356
01:03:19,000 --> 01:03:22,880
Speaker 2: I kept on saying, no, they're not. Just just wait,

1357
01:03:22,920 --> 01:03:23,200
Speaker 2: I was.

1358
01:03:23,240 --> 01:03:24,640
Speaker 1: I was with you on that. I was sitting next

1359
01:03:24,640 --> 01:03:27,080
Speaker 1: to my cad like, and right after the jabill peppersonly goes,

1360
01:03:27,080 --> 01:03:28,320
Speaker 1: do you think they're gonna win? And I'm like, they

1361
01:03:28,360 --> 01:03:30,200
Speaker 1: can win, but they haven't won this game in like

1362
01:03:30,240 --> 01:03:31,200
Speaker 1: four years, right.

1363
01:03:31,080 --> 01:03:33,480
Speaker 2: And it's so that was that was the beginning of

1364
01:03:33,520 --> 01:03:36,880
Speaker 2: my turn. Was I had to write the same story

1365
01:03:36,920 --> 01:03:38,480
Speaker 2: that I've been writing for for four years.

1366
01:03:38,520 --> 01:03:41,200
Speaker 1: So that's my point is where I wonder if you're

1367
01:03:41,240 --> 01:03:43,400
Speaker 1: over correcting a bit, And because because I like I

1368
01:03:43,760 --> 01:03:46,520
Speaker 1: told you, I told you I wrote three.

1369
01:03:46,160 --> 01:03:49,520
Speaker 2: Separate therapy session. Now, like, what's really I I.

1370
01:03:49,520 --> 01:03:52,360
Speaker 1: Wrote three separate post game calls because the one thing

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01:03:52,400 --> 01:03:54,439
Speaker 1: about covering a week one game, and there's a lot

1372
01:03:54,480 --> 01:03:56,720
Speaker 1: like covering week one is very different than covering any

1373
01:03:56,760 --> 01:03:59,120
Speaker 1: other game, just to pull back the curtain a little bit,

1374
01:03:59,160 --> 01:04:02,400
Speaker 1: because you have so many preconceived notions going in. And

1375
01:04:02,480 --> 01:04:05,200
Speaker 1: like the example I always give is in twenty twenty,

1376
01:04:05,280 --> 01:04:07,000
Speaker 1: remember when Mike when when who came out started playing

1377
01:04:07,040 --> 01:04:09,320
Speaker 1: right tackle, hadn't played right tackle at all in camp

1378
01:04:09,480 --> 01:04:11,440
Speaker 1: even yeah, and he was amazing at it. And that's like,

1379
01:04:11,680 --> 01:04:14,560
Speaker 1: you never have to adjust to seeing something like you

1380
01:04:14,640 --> 01:04:17,600
Speaker 1: do in week one. Every it's all unexpected. You're on

1381
01:04:17,600 --> 01:04:19,160
Speaker 1: your toes. Sometimes you go into a game, you have

1382
01:04:19,160 --> 01:04:21,480
Speaker 1: an idea of kind of what you're gonna talk about postgame,

1383
01:04:21,480 --> 01:04:23,800
Speaker 1: and it's like, well, you know, I know, I'm gonna

1384
01:04:23,800 --> 01:04:25,400
Speaker 1: focus on this one thing and if it goes this way,

1385
01:04:25,400 --> 01:04:27,439
Speaker 1: I'll do this, because that will do that whatever. Week

1386
01:04:27,480 --> 01:04:29,320
Speaker 1: ones the one time you can't really do that. The

1387
01:04:29,400 --> 01:04:32,080
Speaker 1: one thing you do not expect covering a week one game, Evan,

1388
01:04:32,800 --> 01:04:35,480
Speaker 1: is to have to worry that you're gonna be repeating yourself,

1389
01:04:36,160 --> 01:04:39,440
Speaker 1: and that was my thing. After the game, I was like,

1390
01:04:39,520 --> 01:04:41,480
Speaker 1: because how many times last year did I have to

1391
01:04:41,520 --> 01:04:45,000
Speaker 1: write and you and everybody that stupid column that was

1392
01:04:45,040 --> 01:04:47,640
Speaker 1: like it was it's been the story of the year,

1393
01:04:47,680 --> 01:04:49,320
Speaker 1: or here we go again, and I'm running out of

1394
01:04:49,360 --> 01:04:53,640
Speaker 1: synonyms for late game failure or whatever, and I'm sitting here,

1395
01:04:53,680 --> 01:04:56,480
Speaker 1: it's like it's week one and I'm having deja vu,

1396
01:04:56,840 --> 01:04:59,439
Speaker 1: like this shouldn't be a thing. And I think that's

1397
01:04:59,480 --> 01:05:02,360
Speaker 1: where some of the issue in breaking down this game

1398
01:05:02,400 --> 01:05:05,800
Speaker 1: comes in, is because you shouldn't be repetitive week one,

1399
01:05:06,320 --> 01:05:09,240
Speaker 1: and yet here we are. This game might have as

1400
01:05:09,280 --> 01:05:11,680
Speaker 1: well have been played as Week nineteen of the twenty

1401
01:05:11,720 --> 01:05:15,400
Speaker 1: twenty two season. It would have fitted playing It looked

1402
01:05:15,440 --> 01:05:16,920
Speaker 1: a little weak, not you get what I'm saying, Like

1403
01:05:17,320 --> 01:05:19,960
Speaker 1: it looked different, the O'Brien and Patricia stuff. It looked different.

1404
01:05:19,960 --> 01:05:22,600
Speaker 1: But the game flow, the game story, it was like, yeah,

1405
01:05:22,680 --> 01:05:25,720
Speaker 1: I've written this before, right, And that was kind of

1406
01:05:25,840 --> 01:05:28,960
Speaker 1: jarrings because you don't expect to do that in week one.

1407
01:05:28,920 --> 01:05:30,960
Speaker 2: And what I keep coming back to and I'm going

1408
01:05:31,040 --> 01:05:32,520
Speaker 2: to keep her. I don't care if I sound like

1409
01:05:32,560 --> 01:05:36,640
Speaker 2: a broken record. It looked better it looked sharper, the

1410
01:05:36,640 --> 01:05:40,200
Speaker 2: play designs were nicer, it looked prettier, it looked better.

1411
01:05:41,200 --> 01:05:43,840
Speaker 2: But the talent level is the same on offense. The

1412
01:05:43,880 --> 01:05:46,680
Speaker 2: talent level is the same. So when it came.

1413
01:05:46,560 --> 01:05:48,880
Speaker 1: Out, all right, I would push back on that, it's

1414
01:05:48,880 --> 01:05:50,600
Speaker 1: not the same. I don't know that it's good enough,

1415
01:05:50,640 --> 01:05:53,280
Speaker 1: but it's not the same. It's the same. They have

1416
01:05:53,440 --> 01:05:58,240
Speaker 1: Tomorrow Douglas. Now, okay, they but they have Ezekiel Elliott.

1417
01:05:58,240 --> 01:06:01,360
Speaker 2: I know it's Tomorrio Douglas beter than Jacobe Myers because

1418
01:06:01,680 --> 01:06:04,040
Speaker 2: Juju wasn't on the field, So I can't you can't, Okay.

1419
01:06:03,880 --> 01:06:06,000
Speaker 1: Well, I mean I'm more so talking about like, you know,

1420
01:06:06,000 --> 01:06:08,760
Speaker 1: they're not throwing Nelson Agler out there, They're not throwing

1421
01:06:08,760 --> 01:06:09,680
Speaker 1: a kil Harry out there.

1422
01:06:09,920 --> 01:06:13,600
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, their receivers are better than they were two years.

1423
01:06:13,840 --> 01:06:15,240
Speaker 1: But maybe it's a wash in some of the other

1424
01:06:15,240 --> 01:06:16,800
Speaker 1: they didn't have their offensive line, right, maybe it's a

1425
01:06:16,840 --> 01:06:18,320
Speaker 1: wash in some of the other direct The talent.

1426
01:06:18,160 --> 01:06:21,520
Speaker 2: Level is in the same ballpark. You can tell me

1427
01:06:21,640 --> 01:06:23,560
Speaker 2: that this guy's a little bit better than that guy.

1428
01:06:23,680 --> 01:06:25,400
Speaker 2: That guy's a little bit better than this guy. But

1429
01:06:25,480 --> 01:06:26,760
Speaker 2: at the end of the day, the talent's in the

1430
01:06:26,760 --> 01:06:29,840
Speaker 2: same ballpark, and when it was fourth and three, when

1431
01:06:29,880 --> 01:06:33,400
Speaker 2: it was fourth in the game, they're just there's there's

1432
01:06:33,480 --> 01:06:36,800
Speaker 2: nobody to it doesn't Yeah, it doesn't happen, they don't.

1433
01:06:36,880 --> 01:06:39,360
Speaker 1: But it's again that's it goes back to my thing

1434
01:06:39,400 --> 01:06:41,200
Speaker 1: of like, I really didn't want to be repetitive covering

1435
01:06:41,200 --> 01:06:43,760
Speaker 1: this game. How many times in the spring and in

1436
01:06:43,800 --> 01:06:46,440
Speaker 1: the winter, and going back to last year the stupid

1437
01:06:46,480 --> 01:06:49,320
Speaker 1: Tuesday meeting thing that we had to explain and the

1438
01:06:49,360 --> 01:06:51,240
Speaker 1: coverage dictating wide receiver, It's like.

1439
01:06:51,400 --> 01:06:52,880
Speaker 2: Fourth and three was the Tuesday meeting.

1440
01:06:52,960 --> 01:06:58,200
Speaker 1: It picked, right, it picked when's the last time? How

1441
01:06:58,240 --> 01:07:00,680
Speaker 1: often do we joke over the summer or when we're

1442
01:07:00,720 --> 01:07:03,360
Speaker 1: covering OTAs or even during the drive we're talking about

1443
01:07:03,360 --> 01:07:04,640
Speaker 1: this now and watch we're gonna get to week one,

1444
01:07:04,640 --> 01:07:06,320
Speaker 1: We're gonna throw it all out, right. How many times

1445
01:07:06,360 --> 01:07:07,919
Speaker 1: do we kind of say that when we're talking about

1446
01:07:07,920 --> 01:07:09,960
Speaker 1: the team? Do you ever remember? And we've only been

1447
01:07:09,960 --> 01:07:11,360
Speaker 1: doing this for six years, but I think that's a

1448
01:07:11,400 --> 01:07:14,480
Speaker 1: decent sample size. You remember the last time Week one?

1449
01:07:14,520 --> 01:07:18,520
Speaker 1: It was the takes from training camp to the game

1450
01:07:18,800 --> 01:07:19,920
Speaker 1: were so seamless.

1451
01:07:20,080 --> 01:07:22,360
Speaker 2: I think last year we knew the offense was a disaster.

1452
01:07:22,880 --> 01:07:24,240
Speaker 1: We didn't know it was that bad. I think we

1453
01:07:24,280 --> 01:07:25,480
Speaker 1: did okay, but it wasn't.

1454
01:07:26,360 --> 01:07:30,320
Speaker 2: Maybe we didn't. We were still I'll speak for myself,

1455
01:07:30,880 --> 01:07:33,520
Speaker 2: I was still rose colored glasses a little bit last year,

1456
01:07:33,760 --> 01:07:36,000
Speaker 2: so maybe I didn't see it, but I think it

1457
01:07:36,520 --> 01:07:38,400
Speaker 2: was gonna be that bad. But I think that we

1458
01:07:38,440 --> 01:07:39,200
Speaker 2: should have seen that.

1459
01:07:39,280 --> 01:07:41,280
Speaker 1: But there was also stuffs like they'd added Parker and

1460
01:07:41,320 --> 01:07:43,880
Speaker 1: it was like, okay, they've done that, and Remandre and

1461
01:07:43,920 --> 01:07:45,880
Speaker 1: like I think he had a bigger role expected.

1462
01:07:46,040 --> 01:07:48,400
Speaker 2: We knew this. The system and the coaching.

1463
01:07:48,120 --> 01:07:50,520
Speaker 1: Was but this was like, I mean, like the game

1464
01:07:51,840 --> 01:07:54,040
Speaker 1: could not have happened and the talking points would be

1465
01:07:54,080 --> 01:07:56,000
Speaker 1: exactly the same if we were just carrying on another

1466
01:07:56,000 --> 01:07:59,919
Speaker 1: week from camp. Nothing changed, And that's weird for week one.

1467
01:08:00,440 --> 01:08:02,080
Speaker 1: Usually week one changes things.

1468
01:08:02,400 --> 01:08:04,640
Speaker 2: Okay, I'll give you that. All right, let's go back

1469
01:08:04,640 --> 01:08:06,800
Speaker 2: to the phones. Mason's in Connecticut. What's up, Mason?

1470
01:08:07,680 --> 01:08:08,880
Speaker 5: How you guys doing good?

1471
01:08:09,320 --> 01:08:09,520
Speaker 8: Hey?

1472
01:08:09,920 --> 01:08:11,240
Speaker 9: All right, so I gotta get this out quick. I

1473
01:08:11,280 --> 01:08:13,760
Speaker 9: actually have to leave in a second. But Evan, I

1474
01:08:13,840 --> 01:08:16,559
Speaker 9: know that you're not a Kashan Boody guy, and I

1475
01:08:16,560 --> 01:08:19,000
Speaker 9: get it. I understand. I agree with you that he

1476
01:08:19,040 --> 01:08:20,120
Speaker 9: didn't look great on Sunday.

1477
01:08:20,160 --> 01:08:20,880
Speaker 8: Okay, he made some.

1478
01:08:20,840 --> 01:08:23,160
Speaker 9: Mistake obviously, had the two pass, he didn't get his

1479
01:08:23,160 --> 01:08:25,680
Speaker 9: feet down. More importantly, I think on the second one

1480
01:08:25,800 --> 01:08:27,560
Speaker 9: last play of the game, I think he ran a

1481
01:08:27,640 --> 01:08:29,320
Speaker 9: lazy route. I think if he runs a stem hard

1482
01:08:29,320 --> 01:08:31,160
Speaker 9: there and he sells vertical, I don't think Joe breaks

1483
01:08:31,200 --> 01:08:33,960
Speaker 9: on it fast enough to push him out of bounds. However,

1484
01:08:34,479 --> 01:08:36,479
Speaker 9: for the guys starting in his first NFL game that

1485
01:08:36,520 --> 01:08:39,160
Speaker 9: who was kind of playing out a position, Okay, I

1486
01:08:39,160 --> 01:08:42,640
Speaker 9: think there were times where he attacked leverage well. I

1487
01:08:42,680 --> 01:08:44,640
Speaker 9: think he looked like he was thinking out there a

1488
01:08:44,640 --> 01:08:47,800
Speaker 9: lot of times. I think he showed explosiveness off line

1489
01:08:47,800 --> 01:08:49,840
Speaker 9: of scrimmage a few times, which was a question mark

1490
01:08:49,920 --> 01:08:52,800
Speaker 9: for him coming into this season. I think specifically on

1491
01:08:52,800 --> 01:08:55,240
Speaker 9: one of the touchdowns of Kendrick Bourne, he was running

1492
01:08:55,320 --> 01:08:58,000
Speaker 9: a curl on the right side of the formation and

1493
01:08:58,040 --> 01:09:00,400
Speaker 9: he looked explos off line of scrimmage. I think he

1494
01:09:00,479 --> 01:09:03,800
Speaker 9: ran the stem hard, he had a good snapdown, a

1495
01:09:03,840 --> 01:09:05,759
Speaker 9: good trigger step, came out of it in three steps.

1496
01:09:06,080 --> 01:09:10,080
Speaker 9: I think there were some things to feel good about

1497
01:09:10,320 --> 01:09:13,120
Speaker 9: in this game for Kashan Booty, and I think he

1498
01:09:13,160 --> 01:09:15,640
Speaker 9: could be a guy and listen before I go, I

1499
01:09:15,680 --> 01:09:17,479
Speaker 9: just want to let you guys know it's not too

1500
01:09:17,560 --> 01:09:20,160
Speaker 9: late to get on the Kaishan Boody bandwag Okay, I

1501
01:09:20,200 --> 01:09:22,800
Speaker 9: want to personally invite you guys to the Kaishan Boody

1502
01:09:22,800 --> 01:09:25,080
Speaker 9: Bank Club. We call ourselves the Booty Clap Bandit. The

1503
01:09:25,160 --> 01:09:27,719
Speaker 9: door is open the winner circle. Guys, all right, thank.

1504
01:09:27,560 --> 01:09:29,880
Speaker 2: You, Thanks, good call, Mason, good call. A lot of

1505
01:09:29,880 --> 01:09:32,479
Speaker 2: really good points about Kashan Booty. I agree with you

1506
01:09:32,520 --> 01:09:35,840
Speaker 2: wholeheartedly about the last route. Could have ran it faster,

1507
01:09:35,960 --> 01:09:37,679
Speaker 2: could have ran it better. Yeah, I'm sure he feels

1508
01:09:37,720 --> 01:09:39,760
Speaker 2: the same way. I'm not breaking any news to him.

1509
01:09:40,200 --> 01:09:44,080
Speaker 2: Uh what he said about him playing out a position

1510
01:09:44,640 --> 01:09:46,280
Speaker 2: agree one percent.

1511
01:09:46,479 --> 01:09:48,200
Speaker 1: Some we targed it they didn't have a second true x.

1512
01:09:48,280 --> 01:09:50,640
Speaker 2: Yeah. And I wrote this in after further review that

1513
01:09:50,680 --> 01:09:53,719
Speaker 2: I actually don't hold anything against Kaishan Booty on Sunday

1514
01:09:54,200 --> 01:09:55,160
Speaker 2: for that exact reason.

1515
01:09:55,160 --> 01:09:56,679
Speaker 1: Even though at the beginning of the show you said

1516
01:09:56,680 --> 01:09:57,080
Speaker 1: he was bad.

1517
01:09:57,240 --> 01:09:58,800
Speaker 2: I didn't say it was bad. I just said, like,

1518
01:09:59,120 --> 01:10:01,559
Speaker 2: you can't really give kaish On Boody like a pass.

1519
01:10:02,040 --> 01:10:02,439
Speaker 2: That's fair.

1520
01:10:02,520 --> 01:10:03,240
Speaker 1: I No, it's fair.

1521
01:10:03,400 --> 01:10:05,760
Speaker 2: I just like I mean, the film was the film, Like,

1522
01:10:06,000 --> 01:10:09,320
Speaker 2: you know, I agree with the caller that it wasn't hopeless,

1523
01:10:09,640 --> 01:10:12,439
Speaker 2: but I just felt like I wrote it in after

1524
01:10:12,520 --> 01:10:16,080
Speaker 2: further review that I hold nothing against Kaishan Boody because

1525
01:10:16,120 --> 01:10:18,040
Speaker 2: to me, we've talked about this a lot with him,

1526
01:10:18,040 --> 01:10:21,080
Speaker 2: even before they drafted him. He's a Z slot like,

1527
01:10:21,160 --> 01:10:24,080
Speaker 2: he's an inside player that had to be forced to

1528
01:10:24,080 --> 01:10:28,360
Speaker 2: play on the outside because DeVante Parker's hurt Juju is

1529
01:10:28,560 --> 01:10:31,720
Speaker 2: whatever and Tykwon Thwarton's on IR so they had no

1530
01:10:31,840 --> 01:10:35,280
Speaker 2: other X receiver besides Kaishan Boody. They obviously weren't going

1531
01:10:35,320 --> 01:10:37,800
Speaker 2: to play Pop Douglas at the X, so it made

1532
01:10:38,000 --> 01:10:39,599
Speaker 2: all the sense in the world that it was Booty.

1533
01:10:39,640 --> 01:10:41,800
Speaker 2: We all thought it would be Booty coming into the game,

1534
01:10:41,840 --> 01:10:44,120
Speaker 2: and it was. And I agree with the caller one

1535
01:10:44,160 --> 01:10:46,439
Speaker 2: hundred and ten percent that that's not on him that

1536
01:10:46,560 --> 01:10:48,760
Speaker 2: he doesn't know how to to tap the sideline when

1537
01:10:48,760 --> 01:10:50,599
Speaker 2: he's probably done it like six times in his life

1538
01:10:50,720 --> 01:10:53,160
Speaker 2: in a game, So I don't blame him at all

1539
01:10:53,200 --> 01:10:56,519
Speaker 2: for it. I didn't necessarily see the explosiveness. Maybe I

1540
01:10:56,600 --> 01:10:58,639
Speaker 2: have to go back and watch some of his routes

1541
01:10:58,640 --> 01:11:01,320
Speaker 2: that the caller talked about and I think that some

1542
01:11:01,360 --> 01:11:03,720
Speaker 2: of the route running was a little bit sloppy. So

1543
01:11:03,760 --> 01:11:06,800
Speaker 2: that's where I come from with Booty. I don't mind

1544
01:11:06,800 --> 01:11:06,960
Speaker 2: do you.

1545
01:11:06,920 --> 01:11:09,720
Speaker 1: Think this route running in the second half specifically, I.

1546
01:11:09,680 --> 01:11:12,559
Speaker 2: Thought there was one route in particular where he tried

1547
01:11:12,600 --> 01:11:14,880
Speaker 2: to run an out and up and I thought that

1548
01:11:14,960 --> 01:11:16,920
Speaker 2: maybe he had a chance to get open on it

1549
01:11:16,960 --> 01:11:19,320
Speaker 2: because he was single covered and he just didn't really

1550
01:11:19,360 --> 01:11:21,639
Speaker 2: sell it all that well and just kind of rolled

1551
01:11:21,640 --> 01:11:23,719
Speaker 2: into the defender and it was kind of pretty ugly.

1552
01:11:24,280 --> 01:11:27,280
Speaker 2: That was late in the game. I actually thought looking

1553
01:11:27,360 --> 01:11:29,200
Speaker 2: back on it, and I'm sure it was a locked route,

1554
01:11:29,200 --> 01:11:31,160
Speaker 2: so I don't think he had like the eruption to like,

1555
01:11:31,760 --> 01:11:33,719
Speaker 2: if he had just hit like a three step slant,

1556
01:11:33,960 --> 01:11:35,479
Speaker 2: I think it would have been more effective than what

1557
01:11:35,520 --> 01:11:36,280
Speaker 2: he ended up doing.

1558
01:11:36,520 --> 01:11:39,120
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm just saying because I the first half, a

1559
01:11:39,120 --> 01:11:41,519
Speaker 1: lot of guys are slipping around with the rain. When

1560
01:11:41,560 --> 01:11:42,920
Speaker 1: I looked at the route running stuff like I did

1561
01:11:42,920 --> 01:11:44,880
Speaker 1: this with Douglas too, I was just I really only

1562
01:11:44,880 --> 01:11:45,760
Speaker 1: looked at the second half.

1563
01:11:45,880 --> 01:11:48,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I felt like some of his routes were

1564
01:11:48,920 --> 01:11:52,960
Speaker 2: not crisp and not really he doesn't to me, he

1565
01:11:53,000 --> 01:11:56,600
Speaker 2: doesn't have a ton of suddenness in his break or

1566
01:11:56,680 --> 01:11:59,439
Speaker 2: at the top of the route unless he's running he

1567
01:11:59,640 --> 01:12:04,360
Speaker 2: is I can trying to be more positive. He is

1568
01:12:04,400 --> 01:12:08,040
Speaker 2: a great slant route runner. Yeah, he runs great slants,

1569
01:12:08,400 --> 01:12:11,599
Speaker 2: but when he gets down the field eight twelve yard breaks,

1570
01:12:11,920 --> 01:12:16,120
Speaker 2: there's just not a whole lot of sell or wiggle

1571
01:12:16,240 --> 01:12:18,559
Speaker 2: to those types of routes. But if you're asking him

1572
01:12:18,560 --> 01:12:20,639
Speaker 2: to run a slant like we saw it in Green Bay,

1573
01:12:20,840 --> 01:12:23,880
Speaker 2: he runs great slants, So maybe that's something to build

1574
01:12:23,920 --> 01:12:26,920
Speaker 2: off of. And I think it's comfortability too, Like you

1575
01:12:26,960 --> 01:12:29,160
Speaker 2: can tell that he's so comfortable running a three or

1576
01:12:29,200 --> 01:12:32,280
Speaker 2: five step slant that it just looks explosive when he

1577
01:12:32,320 --> 01:12:34,720
Speaker 2: does it because he's he runs that route like it's

1578
01:12:34,760 --> 01:12:38,479
Speaker 2: the back of his hand. I wasn't like overly like,

1579
01:12:38,520 --> 01:12:40,840
Speaker 2: oh my god, take him off the field with Kisehan Boody,

1580
01:12:41,400 --> 01:12:44,320
Speaker 2: But I just I feel like there's I don't know,

1581
01:12:44,400 --> 01:12:46,479
Speaker 2: I don't necessarily know if I see the twitch or

1582
01:12:46,479 --> 01:12:50,080
Speaker 2: the explosiveness to be a real dynamic receiver in the league.

1583
01:12:50,200 --> 01:12:52,920
Speaker 2: Can he be like a fourth or fifth receiver for

1584
01:12:53,000 --> 01:12:56,960
Speaker 2: his rookie contract. Absolutely, I think that we're at that point.

1585
01:12:56,800 --> 01:12:58,840
Speaker 1: And in the sixth round. Fine, Yeah, it's not like

1586
01:12:58,840 --> 01:12:59,800
Speaker 1: they took him top fifty.

1587
01:13:00,000 --> 01:13:01,759
Speaker 2: All right, Jeff is in Maine. What's up, Jeff?

1588
01:13:03,120 --> 01:13:03,840
Speaker 10: Hey, what's going on?

1589
01:13:03,880 --> 01:13:04,120
Speaker 3: Guys?

1590
01:13:04,160 --> 01:13:05,559
Speaker 2: Hey?

1591
01:13:05,680 --> 01:13:08,559
Speaker 10: So I had a couple of things. One, Alex, I

1592
01:13:08,560 --> 01:13:13,360
Speaker 10: got a college football player for you, Okay, Tristan keenan

1593
01:13:13,720 --> 01:13:20,519
Speaker 10: Umane kind of like the true freshman. I don't I doubt,

1594
01:13:20,600 --> 01:13:23,880
Speaker 10: I mean from knowing means football team historically, I doubt

1595
01:13:23,880 --> 01:13:25,600
Speaker 10: he's an NFL talent. But he's kind of like a

1596
01:13:25,640 --> 01:13:31,640
Speaker 10: faster Rex Burkhead. He's fun to watch, okay. And so

1597
01:13:32,320 --> 01:13:34,960
Speaker 10: the thing for the Pats, And I know you guys

1598
01:13:34,960 --> 01:13:39,120
Speaker 10: wanted to transition to defense against personnel like Miami, and

1599
01:13:39,200 --> 01:13:41,479
Speaker 10: I know that this show has always been a proponent

1600
01:13:41,520 --> 01:13:43,720
Speaker 10: of playing Marte Mapu at the second level, and I

1601
01:13:43,800 --> 01:13:48,320
Speaker 10: have two He played well at safety the first game,

1602
01:13:48,360 --> 01:13:51,920
Speaker 10: I thought, But I think with this game, and I'm

1603
01:13:51,920 --> 01:13:55,240
Speaker 10: curious what you guys think, it makes more sense to

1604
01:13:55,280 --> 01:13:58,639
Speaker 10: me to keep him at the second level because I

1605
01:13:58,680 --> 01:14:02,720
Speaker 10: think if your linebackers are and obviously their past game

1606
01:14:02,760 --> 01:14:05,720
Speaker 10: is incredible, but I think if your linebackers are to

1607
01:14:05,920 --> 01:14:12,719
Speaker 10: buy and Bentley, Raheem Moster and Devin and Shane are

1608
01:14:12,760 --> 01:14:17,360
Speaker 10: just gonna absolutely run away from them, and I think

1609
01:14:17,360 --> 01:14:19,040
Speaker 10: that would be a problem. And so I think that

1610
01:14:20,000 --> 01:14:25,600
Speaker 10: you know what, the true secondary players handle the receivers

1611
01:14:25,880 --> 01:14:29,479
Speaker 10: and you know, move him to the second level to

1612
01:14:29,680 --> 01:14:32,840
Speaker 10: try to stop those running backs from absolutely eating you alive.

1613
01:14:32,920 --> 01:14:36,240
Speaker 2: Thanks guys, Yeah, that's an interesting point, Thanks Jeff, And

1614
01:14:36,240 --> 01:14:39,160
Speaker 2: I did want to transition here to the Dolphins for

1615
01:14:39,200 --> 01:14:42,000
Speaker 2: the last half hour of the show and preview the

1616
01:14:42,040 --> 01:14:45,519
Speaker 2: Dolphins a little bit. This is a this is the

1617
01:14:45,560 --> 01:14:48,400
Speaker 2: conundrum for the Patriots with the Dolphins and the Patriots defense.

1618
01:14:49,520 --> 01:14:55,519
Speaker 2: In my opinion, you have to put a ton of

1619
01:14:55,520 --> 01:14:58,800
Speaker 2: help on Tyreek Hill. So if you're gonna help a

1620
01:14:58,800 --> 01:15:01,479
Speaker 2: ton to Tyreek Hill, and I I say help because

1621
01:15:01,479 --> 01:15:04,920
Speaker 2: I don't love calling it a double team, Like I

1622
01:15:04,920 --> 01:15:08,040
Speaker 2: don't think it's like necessarily a double team. But at

1623
01:15:08,080 --> 01:15:11,680
Speaker 2: the very very least, the post safety has to be

1624
01:15:11,760 --> 01:15:14,920
Speaker 2: dedicated to number ten, right, Like the post safety has

1625
01:15:14,960 --> 01:15:17,200
Speaker 2: to have eyes on number ten at all times. That's

1626
01:15:17,240 --> 01:15:19,120
Speaker 2: just the bottom line, because it's not fair to Jonathan

1627
01:15:19,160 --> 01:15:21,120
Speaker 2: Jones to leave him out there on an island against

1628
01:15:21,200 --> 01:15:24,640
Speaker 2: Hill all the time. So here's the conundrum, right for

1629
01:15:24,720 --> 01:15:27,880
Speaker 2: the Patriots in this game. And I'm curious about your

1630
01:15:27,880 --> 01:15:29,479
Speaker 2: take on this, because we had a lot of people,

1631
01:15:29,520 --> 01:15:32,160
Speaker 2: Alex that called into the show last week, and I

1632
01:15:32,200 --> 01:15:33,960
Speaker 2: know a lot of people on my Twitter I'm sure

1633
01:15:34,000 --> 01:15:37,360
Speaker 2: your twitter feed as well that were not confident in

1634
01:15:38,160 --> 01:15:41,840
Speaker 2: leaving Christian Gonzales one on one with AJ Brown in

1635
01:15:42,120 --> 01:15:45,519
Speaker 2: Sunday's game. Yeah, and they did for the most part,

1636
01:15:45,600 --> 01:15:49,920
Speaker 2: and he held up pretty well. So different type of

1637
01:15:49,960 --> 01:15:55,120
Speaker 2: receiver with Jalen Waddle. Yeah, And that's the question, are

1638
01:15:55,160 --> 01:16:01,000
Speaker 2: you confident in Gonzales? I would think, or maybe it's

1639
01:16:01,000 --> 01:16:03,639
Speaker 2: Marcus Jones if you want the speed on speed matchup,

1640
01:16:03,680 --> 01:16:09,680
Speaker 2: but either one taking Wattle, it's never truly on an

1641
01:16:09,720 --> 01:16:16,920
Speaker 2: island but without the real resource, right yeah? Or are

1642
01:16:16,960 --> 01:16:20,040
Speaker 2: you emptying the box? And if most of it was

1643
01:16:20,080 --> 01:16:21,719
Speaker 2: a d MP yesterday, I don't know if he's gonna

1644
01:16:21,720 --> 01:16:24,599
Speaker 2: play in this game. A shame's a fast running back,

1645
01:16:24,680 --> 01:16:27,000
Speaker 2: like the caller said, explosive guy ran like a four

1646
01:16:27,120 --> 01:16:30,760
Speaker 2: three eight or something like that. Really speed guy. Are

1647
01:16:31,240 --> 01:16:34,080
Speaker 2: you either empty the box and whatever they get to

1648
01:16:34,160 --> 01:16:36,360
Speaker 2: the backs of the backfield, the run game, all that

1649
01:16:36,439 --> 01:16:41,120
Speaker 2: kind of stuff you live with or you live with

1650
01:16:41,200 --> 01:16:43,960
Speaker 2: being one on one on Wattley.

1651
01:16:44,160 --> 01:16:46,840
Speaker 1: I let him run the ball, me too. I let

1652
01:16:46,920 --> 01:16:49,240
Speaker 1: him beat your running the ball. And look, I maybe

1653
01:16:49,280 --> 01:16:51,840
Speaker 1: I'm I'm being too optimistic here. And Evan, I know

1654
01:16:51,880 --> 01:16:53,800
Speaker 1: you think Sunday's performance should go down as one of

1655
01:16:53,840 --> 01:16:56,479
Speaker 1: the worst in Patriots history. But I liked what I saw.

1656
01:16:56,880 --> 01:16:59,320
Speaker 1: I liked what I saw from the defensive line. And

1657
01:16:59,680 --> 01:17:03,879
Speaker 1: I'm not saying you're going to shut them down without

1658
01:17:04,240 --> 01:17:08,160
Speaker 1: additional players in the box against the run. But is

1659
01:17:08,200 --> 01:17:09,479
Speaker 1: their offensive line that great?

1660
01:17:09,720 --> 01:17:10,600
Speaker 2: I don't, especially not.

1661
01:17:12,120 --> 01:17:15,559
Speaker 1: Out there right, So give me you know, Keon White,

1662
01:17:15,760 --> 01:17:18,360
Speaker 1: Christian Barmore really good game, probably better run game than

1663
01:17:18,400 --> 01:17:18,800
Speaker 1: pass game.

1664
01:17:18,880 --> 01:17:21,800
Speaker 2: Christian Barmer had a sneaky good game. It wasn't a

1665
01:17:21,880 --> 01:17:22,640
Speaker 2: game you like.

1666
01:17:22,960 --> 01:17:25,320
Speaker 1: It was a classic Christian Barmore game. Because people always

1667
01:17:25,320 --> 01:17:27,599
Speaker 1: complain that he doesn't have enough stats, but he's always

1668
01:17:27,640 --> 01:17:31,160
Speaker 1: like the jude On sack early is a perfect example.

1669
01:17:32,280 --> 01:17:33,000
Speaker 2: He's right there.

1670
01:17:33,080 --> 01:17:35,519
Speaker 1: He created that even though he didn't get stat Give

1671
01:17:35,520 --> 01:17:38,200
Speaker 1: me Christian Barmore, give me key On White, give me

1672
01:17:38,560 --> 01:17:41,320
Speaker 1: uh Tetrick Wise would a good game minus the penalties,

1673
01:17:41,320 --> 01:17:44,559
Speaker 1: which were big. It doesn't, but right Juwan Bentley, give

1674
01:17:44,600 --> 01:17:47,200
Speaker 1: me those guys up front, those four I think they

1675
01:17:47,240 --> 01:17:50,120
Speaker 1: do enough. If you're going to give them the run

1676
01:17:50,200 --> 01:17:53,000
Speaker 1: and basically put those four guys sort of on an

1677
01:17:53,040 --> 01:17:57,880
Speaker 1: island against the run and put the resources in the secondary. Again,

1678
01:17:58,200 --> 01:17:59,640
Speaker 1: you're not gonna shut him down. It's not like you're

1679
01:17:59,640 --> 01:18:01,519
Speaker 1: going to run for like three yards to carry. But

1680
01:18:02,080 --> 01:18:04,440
Speaker 1: I think that keeps it very manageable.

1681
01:18:04,520 --> 01:18:06,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, so they're gonna they're gonna play a lot of

1682
01:18:06,120 --> 01:18:08,240
Speaker 2: zone in this game. I guarantee it. They're gonna play

1683
01:18:08,240 --> 01:18:10,000
Speaker 2: a lot of soft zone and they're gonna try to

1684
01:18:10,080 --> 01:18:13,040
Speaker 2: keep the top on the defense. Yeah. Cover two quarters like,

1685
01:18:13,080 --> 01:18:15,840
Speaker 2: they'll mix that in Cover three, they're gonna play a

1686
01:18:15,880 --> 01:18:19,160
Speaker 2: ton of zone. Uh when they go to man or

1687
01:18:20,120 --> 01:18:23,360
Speaker 2: basically man. There's two coverages that I think that that

1688
01:18:23,720 --> 01:18:26,040
Speaker 2: exist that I think would be good in this matchup.

1689
01:18:26,080 --> 01:18:28,160
Speaker 2: One is what they used last year, which is one

1690
01:18:28,200 --> 01:18:32,400
Speaker 2: cross It's one robber, but the robber is looking for

1691
01:18:32,439 --> 01:18:35,559
Speaker 2: the crosser from the passing string, and when he picks

1692
01:18:35,680 --> 01:18:39,000
Speaker 2: up the crosser, the man coverage defender on the receiver

1693
01:18:39,360 --> 01:18:41,840
Speaker 2: drops off and becomes the new robber. He replaces him

1694
01:18:41,840 --> 01:18:43,760
Speaker 2: in the middle of the field in the coverage. So

1695
01:18:44,040 --> 01:18:48,759
Speaker 2: that takes away things like a crosser with a dig

1696
01:18:48,960 --> 01:18:52,040
Speaker 2: from the outside, because now that defender that falls off

1697
01:18:52,120 --> 01:18:54,160
Speaker 2: is gonna fall off into the dig window, so you

1698
01:18:54,240 --> 01:18:56,519
Speaker 2: can take away both things. So they did that a

1699
01:18:56,560 --> 01:18:58,840
Speaker 2: lot because this Miami team, just like when they played

1700
01:18:58,920 --> 01:19:02,360
Speaker 2: Kansas City with Tyreek Hill, they know that they're gonna

1701
01:19:02,439 --> 01:19:04,960
Speaker 2: run crossing routes. It's either're gonna be Hill or waddle,

1702
01:19:04,960 --> 01:19:08,320
Speaker 2: but somebody is running across or I guarantee it, so

1703
01:19:08,439 --> 01:19:10,840
Speaker 2: they're gonna They could do that. They could play one

1704
01:19:10,880 --> 01:19:12,920
Speaker 2: cross and they could cut off the crossing route and

1705
01:19:12,920 --> 01:19:14,840
Speaker 2: then have the post safety over the top to help

1706
01:19:14,880 --> 01:19:17,519
Speaker 2: the Tyreek. Uh. The other thing that they could do

1707
01:19:18,520 --> 01:19:21,120
Speaker 2: is play a Saban coverage, which is called cover seven.

1708
01:19:21,840 --> 01:19:25,559
Speaker 2: Cover seven is too high safety and each safety is

1709
01:19:25,600 --> 01:19:29,160
Speaker 2: bracketing a different guy, so they can actually double team

1710
01:19:29,560 --> 01:19:30,280
Speaker 2: both players.

1711
01:19:30,479 --> 01:19:30,599
Speaker 10: Right.

1712
01:19:31,120 --> 01:19:33,800
Speaker 2: The problem with cover seven is that you'll give up

1713
01:19:33,800 --> 01:19:35,280
Speaker 2: two hundred yards on the ground if you.

1714
01:19:35,200 --> 01:19:38,840
Speaker 1: Play what runs against like Kiffen and Yeah in those.

1715
01:19:38,800 --> 01:19:40,640
Speaker 2: Saban loves it. He runs it a lot more in

1716
01:19:40,680 --> 01:19:42,639
Speaker 2: college because of obvious differences.

1717
01:19:42,880 --> 01:19:45,520
Speaker 1: He runs it against the teams Yeah.

1718
01:19:45,200 --> 01:19:49,479
Speaker 2: And they So basically you will have a cone bracket

1719
01:19:49,520 --> 01:19:52,080
Speaker 2: is what they call it, an inside out bracket on

1720
01:19:52,439 --> 01:19:56,080
Speaker 2: both Wattle and Hill. You can call that on like

1721
01:19:56,120 --> 01:19:58,160
Speaker 2: third and long because you know they're not gonna run it.

1722
01:19:58,600 --> 01:20:00,160
Speaker 2: But if you call that on first down and then

1723
01:20:00,160 --> 01:20:03,479
Speaker 2: they're gonna run for two hundred yards, does it matter

1724
01:20:03,920 --> 01:20:06,360
Speaker 2: if they run for two hundred yards. I'm not necessarily

1725
01:20:06,439 --> 01:20:08,200
Speaker 2: sold it matters.

1726
01:20:08,240 --> 01:20:10,400
Speaker 1: So it as long as the game's close, it doesn't

1727
01:20:10,439 --> 01:20:12,080
Speaker 1: matter if you let them if they get a multi

1728
01:20:12,160 --> 01:20:15,760
Speaker 1: score lead, of course, right. But no, I if the

1729
01:20:15,800 --> 01:20:18,760
Speaker 1: ball's not in Tira Killing Jalen Waddle's hands and the

1730
01:20:18,800 --> 01:20:20,519
Speaker 1: other you can't get beat on the RPOs. That's the

1731
01:20:20,560 --> 01:20:23,280
Speaker 1: other thing on these coverages you're describing. Go to that.

1732
01:20:24,800 --> 01:20:27,559
Speaker 1: If the ball's not in those guys' hands, let them

1733
01:20:27,600 --> 01:20:29,120
Speaker 1: run the ball up and down the field. The other

1734
01:20:29,160 --> 01:20:31,559
Speaker 1: thing I've noticed about to him this is I'm debuting

1735
01:20:31,600 --> 01:20:33,160
Speaker 1: this take here, so I don't know, feel free to

1736
01:20:33,200 --> 01:20:39,479
Speaker 1: push back. I don't want to put this. Do you remember,

1737
01:20:40,560 --> 01:20:42,320
Speaker 1: I don't know when you stopped playing two K, but

1738
01:20:43,720 --> 01:20:45,360
Speaker 1: they put a thing in where like players are like

1739
01:20:45,360 --> 01:20:48,160
Speaker 1: different badges, so it was like not overalls. Okay, do

1740
01:20:48,200 --> 01:20:51,080
Speaker 1: you remember the microwave badge? So it was like certain

1741
01:20:51,120 --> 01:20:54,519
Speaker 1: players if you kept shooting with them, they'd get better.

1742
01:20:54,840 --> 01:20:56,320
Speaker 1: But if you only took a shot with them. Every

1743
01:20:56,360 --> 01:20:58,880
Speaker 1: once in a while they'd actually play worse. Two was

1744
01:20:58,960 --> 01:21:01,040
Speaker 1: kind of a microwave faster. I like that a little

1745
01:21:01,040 --> 01:21:03,559
Speaker 1: bit like this when he how many pass take? How

1746
01:21:03,560 --> 01:21:05,160
Speaker 1: many passes did he throw last week? I don't know

1747
01:21:05,160 --> 01:21:07,479
Speaker 1: the exact number it was, It was a lot. Yeah,

1748
01:21:07,960 --> 01:21:09,559
Speaker 1: I want to actually find the exact number. And I

1749
01:21:09,560 --> 01:21:11,840
Speaker 1: think that's part of the reason. Yeah, through forty five

1750
01:21:11,840 --> 01:21:14,000
Speaker 1: passes last year. I think that's part of the reason

1751
01:21:14,000 --> 01:21:15,960
Speaker 1: he played so well is because he can get in

1752
01:21:16,040 --> 01:21:18,519
Speaker 1: that rhythm where it's drop back pass, drop back pass,

1753
01:21:18,600 --> 01:21:23,040
Speaker 1: drop back pass. If you're forcing them to run the ball,

1754
01:21:23,560 --> 01:21:26,000
Speaker 1: not just call runs, but also hand the ball off

1755
01:21:26,040 --> 01:21:29,360
Speaker 1: on those RPOs. He's not a guy that throws great

1756
01:21:29,360 --> 01:21:32,519
Speaker 1: when he's cold. If it's the fifth, sixth, seventh play

1757
01:21:32,520 --> 01:21:33,880
Speaker 1: of a drive and he's thrown a pass for the

1758
01:21:33,880 --> 01:21:36,720
Speaker 1: first time, this is a very good take. I don't

1759
01:21:36,760 --> 01:21:38,720
Speaker 1: have any numbers to back this up, unfortunately, it's just

1760
01:21:38,720 --> 01:21:41,200
Speaker 1: something I've noticed. But this is that you've noticed that,

1761
01:21:41,600 --> 01:21:42,760
Speaker 1: so you've noticed that from him too.

1762
01:21:43,600 --> 01:21:47,120
Speaker 2: It anecdotally it sounds great. Also, I'm sorry they're showing

1763
01:21:47,120 --> 01:21:49,120
Speaker 2: Brady on this TV right now. Oh yeah, And my

1764
01:21:49,120 --> 01:21:52,439
Speaker 2: favorite part of this entire thing is just watch Stacy

1765
01:21:52,720 --> 01:21:56,760
Speaker 2: the whole time, just panicking that the second half is

1766
01:21:56,760 --> 01:21:59,360
Speaker 2: about to start and they need to get off Brady

1767
01:21:59,400 --> 01:22:02,439
Speaker 2: off the field, and CBS is just like refusing to

1768
01:22:02,479 --> 01:22:05,080
Speaker 2: get him off the field. I will get he was

1769
01:22:05,160 --> 01:22:07,840
Speaker 2: just on the screen and I we both love Stacey.

1770
01:22:08,200 --> 01:22:10,320
Speaker 2: It's hilarious to watch him just like be like, we

1771
01:22:10,360 --> 01:22:12,960
Speaker 2: gotta go, we gotta go, you gotta go. We'll get

1772
01:22:12,960 --> 01:22:14,360
Speaker 2: to Brady in a second. I do want to end

1773
01:22:14,360 --> 01:22:16,320
Speaker 2: the show with our takes on on the on the

1774
01:22:16,360 --> 01:22:20,640
Speaker 2: Brady stuff. Uh, it's a really anecdotally. I feel like

1775
01:22:20,640 --> 01:22:22,400
Speaker 2: you're right. So I don't even I don't have any

1776
01:22:22,439 --> 01:22:23,000
Speaker 2: numbers either.

1777
01:22:23,160 --> 01:22:25,760
Speaker 1: I don't know what the numbers would be to back

1778
01:22:25,800 --> 01:22:29,120
Speaker 1: that up, because his is him throwing a lot of passes.

1779
01:22:29,160 --> 01:22:32,080
Speaker 1: Doesn't like, Yeah, it could be it was intermittent early

1780
01:22:32,120 --> 01:22:33,800
Speaker 1: and now they're behind so they have no choice but

1781
01:22:33,880 --> 01:22:37,120
Speaker 1: to throw. But like, I feel like he needs to

1782
01:22:37,120 --> 01:22:38,960
Speaker 1: get in a rhythm. And when he gets in a rhythm,

1783
01:22:39,200 --> 01:22:40,759
Speaker 1: and it makes sense with all those kind of short

1784
01:22:40,760 --> 01:22:42,800
Speaker 1: crossing patterns, yeah, it's all very repeatable.

1785
01:22:42,920 --> 01:22:45,840
Speaker 2: He throws that. So they want him and this is

1786
01:22:45,880 --> 01:22:48,719
Speaker 2: the challenge and what what made that game so good

1787
01:22:49,479 --> 01:22:52,720
Speaker 2: against the Chargers was that he wants to throw the

1788
01:22:52,760 --> 01:22:54,600
Speaker 2: inbreakers to the middle of the field right, so a

1789
01:22:54,640 --> 01:22:58,040
Speaker 2: lot like Mac Jones in that sense, crossing routes, dig rats,

1790
01:22:58,080 --> 01:23:00,559
Speaker 2: slant routes like that's too a, that's that's his bread

1791
01:23:00,560 --> 01:23:04,040
Speaker 2: and butter. What made this game unique against the Chargers,

1792
01:23:04,040 --> 01:23:06,120
Speaker 2: and I know that I've kind of gushed about to

1793
01:23:06,160 --> 01:23:08,320
Speaker 2: it today, but he was really freaking good in this game.

1794
01:23:08,960 --> 01:23:11,120
Speaker 2: What made him really good in this game was the

1795
01:23:11,160 --> 01:23:17,280
Speaker 2: fact that he was able to come off the crossers

1796
01:23:17,280 --> 01:23:19,559
Speaker 2: and off the slants and hit the second and third

1797
01:23:19,600 --> 01:23:22,240
Speaker 2: read in the progression just as well as he normally

1798
01:23:22,280 --> 01:23:24,680
Speaker 2: hits the slants right like he he made a throw.

1799
01:23:24,720 --> 01:23:26,839
Speaker 2: I know, Ben Solak like broke it down on Twitter

1800
01:23:27,320 --> 01:23:30,000
Speaker 2: where they take away the incut and he comes off

1801
01:23:30,000 --> 01:23:32,200
Speaker 2: the incut and hits a wheel to Tyreek kill on

1802
01:23:32,240 --> 01:23:32,800
Speaker 2: the second reads.

1803
01:23:32,880 --> 01:23:35,280
Speaker 1: Well, the other thing about is he's this has been

1804
01:23:35,280 --> 01:23:37,120
Speaker 1: my long standing take onto it. You know this he

1805
01:23:37,200 --> 01:23:39,519
Speaker 1: essentially had to relearn how to throw a football because

1806
01:23:39,520 --> 01:23:42,360
Speaker 1: he hit injury. I feel like he's kind of gotten there.

1807
01:23:42,479 --> 01:23:44,439
Speaker 2: I feel like he threw the ball with as much

1808
01:23:44,560 --> 01:23:45,960
Speaker 2: zip on it as I've ever seen him throw.

1809
01:23:46,040 --> 01:23:48,000
Speaker 1: Well, that's what I'm saying, Like he people don't realize

1810
01:23:48,040 --> 01:23:50,679
Speaker 1: he had to rebuild his mechanics from the ground up,

1811
01:23:51,120 --> 01:23:55,240
Speaker 1: like in the NFL. That is a massive task. Yeah,

1812
01:23:55,280 --> 01:23:56,880
Speaker 1: he was really good in this game, and I feel

1813
01:23:56,920 --> 01:23:57,920
Speaker 1: like he's kind of gotten there.

1814
01:23:58,000 --> 01:24:01,679
Speaker 2: So that's the thing with two. But the reason why

1815
01:24:01,960 --> 01:24:04,680
Speaker 2: I love your take so much is because that's the

1816
01:24:04,760 --> 01:24:08,160
Speaker 2: type of thing that Bill will notice if Bill notices

1817
01:24:08,920 --> 01:24:13,920
Speaker 2: to Bill's great at noticing one, Like where's your heat map? Like,

1818
01:24:14,000 --> 01:24:16,160
Speaker 2: where's like the hot areas of the field that you

1819
01:24:16,280 --> 01:24:19,080
Speaker 2: love throwing to, like a like a batter in baseball? Right,

1820
01:24:19,560 --> 01:24:22,720
Speaker 2: where do I pitch to you? So with Tua, he's

1821
01:24:22,720 --> 01:24:24,599
Speaker 2: gonna take away the middle of the field. We can

1822
01:24:24,640 --> 01:24:26,679
Speaker 2: guarantee that he's gonna take away the middle of the field,

1823
01:24:26,680 --> 01:24:29,120
Speaker 2: and he's gonna take away Tyreek Hill, and he's gonna

1824
01:24:29,280 --> 01:24:32,639
Speaker 2: he's gonna be he's gonna force you to play left handed

1825
01:24:32,680 --> 01:24:35,320
Speaker 2: from that perspective, and or should say right handed. I

1826
01:24:35,360 --> 01:24:38,000
Speaker 2: guess he's going to force two to play right handed

1827
01:24:38,160 --> 01:24:40,599
Speaker 2: in that respect. He's not gonna let him throw the slants.

1828
01:24:40,600 --> 01:24:42,479
Speaker 2: He's not gonna let him throw the crosses. He's not

1829
01:24:42,479 --> 01:24:44,920
Speaker 2: gonna let him throw to number ten, Like that's gonna

1830
01:24:44,920 --> 01:24:51,519
Speaker 2: be the game plan. So that take you just had

1831
01:24:51,640 --> 01:24:53,519
Speaker 2: is like something that Bill would notice too, in the

1832
01:24:53,560 --> 01:24:57,360
Speaker 2: sense that, well, if we if we don't let him

1833
01:24:57,360 --> 01:24:59,720
Speaker 2: throw the ball early and we like it, make him

1834
01:24:59,720 --> 01:25:02,560
Speaker 2: handed off or we take I would like, well, I

1835
01:25:02,600 --> 01:25:04,400
Speaker 2: almost wonder if they take the ball now, you know

1836
01:25:04,400 --> 01:25:06,120
Speaker 2: what I mean, like if we keep them cold.

1837
01:25:06,280 --> 01:25:10,200
Speaker 1: It's not even that it's like because it's not so

1838
01:25:10,240 --> 01:25:11,280
Speaker 1: much like going to the bench and all that. I

1839
01:25:11,320 --> 01:25:12,000
Speaker 1: guess maybe it is.

1840
01:25:12,040 --> 01:25:12,360
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1841
01:25:12,400 --> 01:25:13,200
Speaker 1: I just feel like.

1842
01:25:13,320 --> 01:25:15,599
Speaker 2: If he's probably ways to keep them cold.

1843
01:25:15,479 --> 01:25:17,439
Speaker 1: He's probably not alone in this. But it's more like

1844
01:25:18,080 --> 01:25:21,280
Speaker 1: if they go run run now it's third and eight, Yeah,

1845
01:25:22,479 --> 01:25:24,439
Speaker 1: I feel like that versus like if he threw the

1846
01:25:24,479 --> 01:25:28,560
Speaker 1: first two right, that kind of thing, right, And I

1847
01:25:28,880 --> 01:25:32,880
Speaker 1: wonder if you just you basically don't it's it's their offense.

1848
01:25:33,360 --> 01:25:35,040
Speaker 1: I know people are gonna hate this take because it's

1849
01:25:35,080 --> 01:25:38,800
Speaker 1: all complex and you know, cutting edge whatever. It's a

1850
01:25:38,840 --> 01:25:41,840
Speaker 1: little repetitive from the quarterback position. Like you said, it's

1851
01:25:41,880 --> 01:25:44,800
Speaker 1: just it's slant incut, slant in cut, and it's three

1852
01:25:44,840 --> 01:25:48,760
Speaker 1: step back foot throw, three step back Mechanically mentally there's

1853
01:25:48,800 --> 01:25:51,120
Speaker 1: a lot going on, but for the quarterback in that offense,

1854
01:25:51,160 --> 01:25:54,360
Speaker 1: it's very mechanically repetitive. I think when you so, maybe

1855
01:25:54,360 --> 01:25:56,400
Speaker 1: this is more about the offense than it is two. Yeah,

1856
01:25:56,520 --> 01:25:58,519
Speaker 1: I guess I kind of talked through this take here.

1857
01:25:59,120 --> 01:26:02,280
Speaker 1: I think that if you let him get into that rhythm,

1858
01:26:02,720 --> 01:26:05,880
Speaker 1: he's gonna start feeling it and it just sort of becomes.

1859
01:26:05,600 --> 01:26:08,720
Speaker 2: Well, second, interesting to see what they do, because I

1860
01:26:08,720 --> 01:26:10,439
Speaker 2: think that there's like a bunch of different ways you

1861
01:26:10,479 --> 01:26:13,560
Speaker 2: could obviously go about it. But like if the Patriots

1862
01:26:13,680 --> 01:26:16,639
Speaker 2: empty the box and ask them to run the ball,

1863
01:26:16,880 --> 01:26:19,240
Speaker 2: that would be one sign. If the Patriots come after

1864
01:26:19,320 --> 01:26:21,680
Speaker 2: him early, I think that's another sign of like, let's

1865
01:26:21,760 --> 01:26:24,040
Speaker 2: rattle him, let's get him off his game early by

1866
01:26:24,040 --> 01:26:27,240
Speaker 2: pressuring them. That's another sign that that maybe they feel

1867
01:26:27,280 --> 01:26:30,120
Speaker 2: the same way. And I also wonder about like mcdaniels's

1868
01:26:30,520 --> 01:26:35,559
Speaker 2: McDaniels McDaniels uh script, Like does he does he throw early?

1869
01:26:36,080 --> 01:26:39,400
Speaker 2: Like they're a pretty aggressive throwing team. They Yeah, so

1870
01:26:39,439 --> 01:26:42,080
Speaker 2: that you know Daniel does want to run? Yeah, you

1871
01:26:42,080 --> 01:26:44,640
Speaker 2: know those stats that are like you know, over expected,

1872
01:26:44,640 --> 01:26:46,400
Speaker 2: like how often they throw the ball and downs and

1873
01:26:46,439 --> 01:26:49,040
Speaker 2: distances over expected. He pulls his eyes.

1874
01:26:49,400 --> 01:26:50,200
Speaker 1: Uh, stupid.

1875
01:26:50,240 --> 01:26:52,559
Speaker 2: They're they're always like near the top of the league

1876
01:26:52,560 --> 01:26:56,160
Speaker 2: and the so so it's like Buffalo Kansas City like teams.

1877
01:26:55,960 --> 01:26:57,960
Speaker 1: Well and especially like if they don't have most are

1878
01:26:58,200 --> 01:27:01,080
Speaker 1: even more reason for them to keep it in here.

1879
01:27:01,080 --> 01:27:03,320
Speaker 2: All right, let's get back to the calls. It's Forward

1880
01:27:03,520 --> 01:27:04,920
Speaker 2: in Georgia. What's up Forward?

1881
01:27:06,720 --> 01:27:11,639
Speaker 8: Hey, alex Evan, how are you guys doing. I love

1882
01:27:11,680 --> 01:27:14,800
Speaker 8: the podcast first time callers following in.

1883
01:27:16,840 --> 01:27:17,160
Speaker 6: Heaven.

1884
01:27:17,560 --> 01:27:21,200
Speaker 8: You know what, keep on bringing those truth bombs. Man,

1885
01:27:21,880 --> 01:27:24,800
Speaker 8: you just say what do you see? Because that's what

1886
01:27:24,840 --> 01:27:27,280
Speaker 8: I like. So don't let the beast get you down.

1887
01:27:28,560 --> 01:27:31,000
Speaker 2: We'll do Mike.

1888
01:27:31,600 --> 01:27:36,280
Speaker 8: Here's the take. So your podcast is fabulous. That's you know,

1889
01:27:36,400 --> 01:27:39,800
Speaker 8: the micro This is kind of a macro take. We've

1890
01:27:39,840 --> 01:27:43,920
Speaker 8: had great continuity on defense a few the past few years,

1891
01:27:44,200 --> 01:27:49,360
Speaker 8: and we've had pretty good continuity on offense disregarding the

1892
01:27:49,360 --> 01:27:53,640
Speaker 8: offensive coordinator. Once of the players have been together, what

1893
01:27:53,680 --> 01:27:57,960
Speaker 8: do you guys think about this team being kind of

1894
01:27:58,040 --> 01:28:01,240
Speaker 8: like a basketball player where they need to see a

1895
01:28:01,360 --> 01:28:02,200
Speaker 8: shot and go in.

1896
01:28:03,040 --> 01:28:06,639
Speaker 6: You get over the hump. Yeah, if they could just

1897
01:28:06,680 --> 01:28:11,040
Speaker 6: win one game like they played last Sunday, just win

1898
01:28:11,160 --> 01:28:13,559
Speaker 6: one of those games leveling up.

1899
01:28:14,080 --> 01:28:15,760
Speaker 1: Well, that's a really good take that be.

1900
01:28:15,960 --> 01:28:18,200
Speaker 2: Thanks for the call for it. Appreciate you listening as well. Yeah,

1901
01:28:18,240 --> 01:28:20,160
Speaker 2: it's like, you know, the floodgates opening, Yeah, right, like

1902
01:28:20,160 --> 01:28:21,479
Speaker 2: you hit one and then all of a sudden, you

1903
01:28:21,560 --> 01:28:22,920
Speaker 2: hit a million. I get them.

1904
01:28:22,960 --> 01:28:24,760
Speaker 1: That was literally, I mean I'm sitting up on the

1905
01:28:24,760 --> 01:28:26,519
Speaker 1: because I'm like formulating the stuff this game goes on.

1906
01:28:26,560 --> 01:28:28,080
Speaker 1: That was gonna be my take if they won, was

1907
01:28:28,120 --> 01:28:30,160
Speaker 1: they finally saw one go in and now let's like

1908
01:28:30,600 --> 01:28:32,360
Speaker 1: they've done it, they know they can do it. I

1909
01:28:32,680 --> 01:28:34,599
Speaker 1: think that would have been massive, And I think there

1910
01:28:34,640 --> 01:28:37,720
Speaker 1: is something to that. The problem is, is it by

1911
01:28:37,760 --> 01:28:39,599
Speaker 1: the time that happens is going to be too little,

1912
01:28:39,600 --> 01:28:42,439
Speaker 1: too late. Yeah, you know, if they win that first

1913
01:28:42,479 --> 01:28:47,720
Speaker 1: such game in week ten, right and they're four and six, right,

1914
01:28:48,400 --> 01:28:51,000
Speaker 1: like Nicole, all right, but it's gonna matter if they

1915
01:28:51,000 --> 01:28:53,360
Speaker 1: do it this week. Yeah, I think that there's absolutely

1916
01:28:53,439 --> 01:28:54,040
Speaker 1: something to that.

1917
01:28:54,120 --> 01:28:55,880
Speaker 2: I think that's the other part of Yeah, I'm glad

1918
01:28:55,880 --> 01:28:57,160
Speaker 2: you kind of put it that way, because I think

1919
01:28:57,200 --> 01:28:59,679
Speaker 2: that's another part about my frustration overall with the team

1920
01:29:00,400 --> 01:29:04,280
Speaker 2: is their first month of the schedule now just got

1921
01:29:04,360 --> 01:29:06,320
Speaker 2: easier because of what happened in New York, right, But

1922
01:29:06,400 --> 01:29:08,800
Speaker 2: their first month of the schedule is tough. Yeah, it's

1923
01:29:08,840 --> 01:29:12,080
Speaker 2: super hard. So I knew coming into this first month

1924
01:29:12,360 --> 01:29:14,439
Speaker 2: that if they were gonna have a season, they were

1925
01:29:14,479 --> 01:29:16,360
Speaker 2: gonna have to come out hot, like they were gonna

1926
01:29:16,360 --> 01:29:18,920
Speaker 2: have to come out and at least stay afloat and

1927
01:29:19,000 --> 01:29:22,000
Speaker 2: tread water in the first month of the year. Now

1928
01:29:22,000 --> 01:29:24,280
Speaker 2: they're already go in one, and you just worry, like,

1929
01:29:24,360 --> 01:29:26,960
Speaker 2: all right, maybe the Jets game now obviously looks a

1930
01:29:26,960 --> 01:29:29,120
Speaker 2: lot easier, and I'm not ready to just hand them

1931
01:29:29,120 --> 01:29:31,760
Speaker 2: a wa against the Jets, I'm not, but I think

1932
01:29:31,760 --> 01:29:34,120
Speaker 2: that that's a game they should be favored in now.

1933
01:29:34,479 --> 01:29:37,200
Speaker 2: But like one in three to me, with like three

1934
01:29:38,000 --> 01:29:40,720
Speaker 2: competitive games and I said, no moral victories, but like

1935
01:29:40,760 --> 01:29:45,200
Speaker 2: three competitive games against Miami, the Cowboys, and the Eagles

1936
01:29:45,200 --> 01:29:48,400
Speaker 2: obviously already happened. Then I suppose that that's like at

1937
01:29:48,479 --> 01:29:51,840
Speaker 2: least staying that's treading water, but really, like to tread

1938
01:29:51,840 --> 01:29:53,840
Speaker 2: truly tread water, you gotta go to and two you

1939
01:29:53,840 --> 01:29:54,160
Speaker 2: got one.

1940
01:29:54,360 --> 01:29:58,680
Speaker 1: Yes, So I know people hate this staty. This is

1941
01:29:58,720 --> 01:30:01,400
Speaker 1: like the ultimate negative. Gonna give the ultimate negative take now,

1942
01:30:01,439 --> 01:30:05,400
Speaker 1: because anytime an NFL team loses its first game, you

1943
01:30:05,439 --> 01:30:08,240
Speaker 1: hear that to two thing right, and its fans roll

1944
01:30:08,320 --> 01:30:11,280
Speaker 1: their eyes. So last year, the Bengals actually made the

1945
01:30:11,280 --> 01:30:13,519
Speaker 1: playoffs after going oh and two. They were the first

1946
01:30:13,560 --> 01:30:17,200
Speaker 1: team to do it since twenty eighteen. The other there

1947
01:30:17,200 --> 01:30:20,160
Speaker 1: were five other teams that went oh and two. Their

1948
01:30:21,479 --> 01:30:24,400
Speaker 1: average wins for the season was just over six. If

1949
01:30:24,400 --> 01:30:27,559
Speaker 1: you throw in the Colts and Texans who started one

1950
01:30:27,600 --> 01:30:31,240
Speaker 1: and one, that win average drops below six games. So

1951
01:30:31,640 --> 01:30:34,679
Speaker 1: that I feel like that takes off and framed wrong.

1952
01:30:35,680 --> 01:30:38,040
Speaker 1: It's not to say if you start oh and too

1953
01:30:38,120 --> 01:30:41,360
Speaker 1: you can't make the playoffs. You can. But like the

1954
01:30:41,400 --> 01:30:44,280
Speaker 1: Bengals weren't an O and two team. We knew who

1955
01:30:44,320 --> 01:30:46,120
Speaker 1: they were. It's not if you start oh and two

1956
01:30:46,160 --> 01:30:48,880
Speaker 1: you can't make the playoffs. It's an zero and two

1957
01:30:48,960 --> 01:30:53,000
Speaker 1: start is indicative of a team that's not good enough.

1958
01:30:53,240 --> 01:30:56,360
Speaker 1: And that's where the concern comes in. It's not it

1959
01:30:56,400 --> 01:30:59,639
Speaker 1: doesn't mean it's it's locked in. But we're talking about

1960
01:30:59,680 --> 01:31:01,840
Speaker 1: again team like Cincinnati last year, who had been to

1961
01:31:01,840 --> 01:31:04,639
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. We knew who they were. I don't

1962
01:31:04,680 --> 01:31:06,479
Speaker 1: think too many people were applying that zero to two

1963
01:31:06,520 --> 01:31:08,240
Speaker 1: thing to them because we knew they could dig out

1964
01:31:08,240 --> 01:31:10,479
Speaker 1: of it. Yeah, if this team starts oh and two,

1965
01:31:11,439 --> 01:31:13,400
Speaker 1: it might just be a sign that that's the team

1966
01:31:13,439 --> 01:31:13,720
Speaker 1: they are.

1967
01:31:13,920 --> 01:31:16,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, especially against good teams right like, because they're

1968
01:31:16,960 --> 01:31:20,320
Speaker 2: not playing cupcakes except maybe Zach Welson and the Jets.

1969
01:31:20,680 --> 01:31:22,880
Speaker 2: A couple more things and then we have a couple

1970
01:31:22,880 --> 01:31:24,479
Speaker 2: one more call than I do want to rap with

1971
01:31:24,479 --> 01:31:26,920
Speaker 2: the Brady stuff. I do want to talk a little

1972
01:31:26,920 --> 01:31:29,160
Speaker 2: bit more about the defense on Sunday and just are

1973
01:31:29,360 --> 01:31:30,800
Speaker 2: kind of spin it for We talked a lot about

1974
01:31:30,800 --> 01:31:33,320
Speaker 2: how they match up against Miami, which was good and

1975
01:31:33,360 --> 01:31:36,160
Speaker 2: all that, but a Christian Zales and his debut, I'm

1976
01:31:36,160 --> 01:31:37,680
Speaker 2: just going to kind of go rapid fire through a

1977
01:31:37,680 --> 01:31:41,000
Speaker 2: couple guys, the plan and all that kind of stuff.

1978
01:31:41,160 --> 01:31:43,400
Speaker 2: I wrote about that and after further review and our

1979
01:31:43,400 --> 01:31:46,559
Speaker 2: film review a weekly piece, if you want to go

1980
01:31:46,640 --> 01:31:48,600
Speaker 2: and look at how exactly they did it from like

1981
01:31:48,640 --> 01:31:52,400
Speaker 2: a schematics perspective. But I thought, really what this game

1982
01:31:52,520 --> 01:31:56,959
Speaker 2: made me most excited about defensively was they had Unlike offense,

1983
01:31:57,280 --> 01:31:59,920
Speaker 2: they actually have individual players that I think are move

1984
01:32:00,160 --> 01:32:04,040
Speaker 2: the needle for them defensively. Christian Gonzalez, I know, he

1985
01:32:04,080 --> 01:32:06,280
Speaker 2: gave up seven catches in this game to a J

1986
01:32:06,439 --> 01:32:09,799
Speaker 2: Brown but they were all short of the shorter variety.

1987
01:32:09,840 --> 01:32:11,960
Speaker 2: He didn't give up a single deep ball and give

1988
01:32:12,040 --> 01:32:14,640
Speaker 2: up a single run after catch play.

1989
01:32:14,240 --> 01:32:15,760
Speaker 1: Like none of that kind of and he came up

1990
01:32:15,800 --> 01:32:16,240
Speaker 1: and tackled.

1991
01:32:16,560 --> 01:32:18,439
Speaker 2: I thought he played fantastic in this game.

1992
01:32:18,520 --> 01:32:20,880
Speaker 1: I did for what it was like if he's playing

1993
01:32:20,920 --> 01:32:25,799
Speaker 1: that way in three years, Yeah, for his first career game. Yeah,

1994
01:32:25,840 --> 01:32:27,760
Speaker 1: with what I think the plan was probably don't get

1995
01:32:27,760 --> 01:32:29,919
Speaker 1: beat deep if they make if they throw it underneath,

1996
01:32:29,960 --> 01:32:31,640
Speaker 1: just step up, make that and against the receiver like

1997
01:32:31,680 --> 01:32:33,559
Speaker 1: a J. Brown take that.

1998
01:32:33,880 --> 01:32:34,200
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1999
01:32:34,280 --> 01:32:36,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought Christian Zalez was very good in this game.

2000
01:32:37,000 --> 01:32:38,760
Speaker 1: I was excited about it. I don't think he was

2001
01:32:38,800 --> 01:32:39,679
Speaker 1: their best rookie though.

2002
01:32:40,120 --> 01:32:42,280
Speaker 2: Okay, I was going to get to maybe who I

2003
01:32:42,280 --> 01:32:45,120
Speaker 2: think you think were you going in order the draft? Yes, yeah,

2004
01:32:45,560 --> 01:32:48,120
Speaker 2: with Christian Gonzales. Just and then we'll move on to

2005
01:32:48,240 --> 01:32:50,720
Speaker 2: the next one. Christian Goannzalez. What I liked so much

2006
01:32:50,720 --> 01:32:55,439
Speaker 2: about his game was the tackling. Yeah, yeah, that was

2007
01:32:55,479 --> 01:32:58,040
Speaker 2: a concern coming in with his physicality. I he didn't

2008
01:32:58,080 --> 01:33:00,280
Speaker 2: really want to go there after the game, but I

2009
01:33:00,320 --> 01:33:02,920
Speaker 2: think that you could tell that he wants. He knows

2010
01:33:02,960 --> 01:33:04,920
Speaker 2: that that was the knock was that he wasn't a

2011
01:33:04,920 --> 01:33:08,639
Speaker 2: physical guy and he couldn't tackle very well that Georgia game, right,

2012
01:33:08,760 --> 01:33:11,360
Speaker 2: like yeah, all that kind of stuff that was the

2013
01:33:11,439 --> 01:33:15,600
Speaker 2: knock and this game. Aj Brown is one of the

2014
01:33:15,640 --> 01:33:16,840
Speaker 2: best yack receivers in the league.

2015
01:33:16,920 --> 01:33:20,360
Speaker 1: And physically, I mean specimen yeah, Yeah, He's not a

2016
01:33:20,400 --> 01:33:22,040
Speaker 1: guy who's gonna run around, he's gonna run through it.

2017
01:33:22,160 --> 01:33:24,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he was able to tackle m I think

2018
01:33:24,080 --> 01:33:27,320
Speaker 2: that maybe other than the fourth down pass breakup, which

2019
01:33:27,360 --> 01:33:30,280
Speaker 2: was great, he made a tackle on aj Brown coming

2020
01:33:30,320 --> 01:33:33,360
Speaker 2: across the field on third down where aj Brown had

2021
01:33:33,400 --> 01:33:35,360
Speaker 2: like a step on him coming across and he was

2022
01:33:35,400 --> 01:33:37,280
Speaker 2: able to close and make the tackle well short of

2023
01:33:37,320 --> 01:33:37,679
Speaker 2: the sticks.

2024
01:33:37,760 --> 01:33:38,040
Speaker 8: Yeah.

2025
01:33:38,120 --> 01:33:40,840
Speaker 2: That play there, I was like, that's a play that

2026
01:33:41,200 --> 01:33:44,280
Speaker 2: if you asked a scout coming into the draft and

2027
01:33:44,360 --> 01:33:46,719
Speaker 2: you said AJ Brown is going to have a step

2028
01:33:46,720 --> 01:33:49,160
Speaker 2: on Christian Gonzalez coming across the field on like third

2029
01:33:49,160 --> 01:33:52,200
Speaker 2: and nine at like third at like six yards of depth,

2030
01:33:53,000 --> 01:33:55,240
Speaker 2: is it going to be a first down? Every scout

2031
01:33:55,240 --> 01:33:58,160
Speaker 2: would say yes, yeah, every scout. And he made the tackle,

2032
01:33:58,520 --> 01:34:01,160
Speaker 2: and I think that's a really good sign of a

2033
01:34:01,200 --> 01:34:05,320
Speaker 2: play that he probably was told he can't make by

2034
01:34:05,439 --> 01:34:08,000
Speaker 2: a lot of the scouts. And people like us, and

2035
01:34:08,040 --> 01:34:09,760
Speaker 2: that he did make in the game, and that was

2036
01:34:09,800 --> 01:34:12,360
Speaker 2: the most encouraging thing to me from that game. I

2037
01:34:12,400 --> 01:34:14,280
Speaker 2: knew he could cover the deep ball. I knew he

2038
01:34:14,320 --> 01:34:18,960
Speaker 2: would stay a decent you know, tightness, closeness to the receivers,

2039
01:34:19,000 --> 01:34:21,320
Speaker 2: all that kind of stuff. But being able to come

2040
01:34:21,400 --> 01:34:24,360
Speaker 2: up and make that tackle was huge. So you thought

2041
01:34:24,400 --> 01:34:27,040
Speaker 2: the best rookie in this game was Keon White, Yeah, I.

2042
01:34:26,960 --> 01:34:29,240
Speaker 1: Mean he was awesome. He was You look at what

2043
01:34:29,280 --> 01:34:35,720
Speaker 1: he's doing to Lane Johnson. He is bull rushing Lane Johnson. Yeah,

2044
01:34:35,760 --> 01:34:38,080
Speaker 1: it's he looks like he's been in the league five years. Yeah,

2045
01:34:38,320 --> 01:34:41,160
Speaker 1: there's no rookie element. And he was a huge part

2046
01:34:41,160 --> 01:34:44,479
Speaker 1: of their rush plan against Jalen Hurts. He executed his

2047
01:34:44,560 --> 01:34:47,400
Speaker 1: plan at a high level. You know, he's he was

2048
01:34:47,400 --> 01:34:50,080
Speaker 1: a problem. He was a problem in the Eagles back.

2049
01:34:49,920 --> 01:34:52,360
Speaker 2: Bed four pressures in twenty three snaps, which is an

2050
01:34:52,360 --> 01:34:53,640
Speaker 2: insane run outstand.

2051
01:34:53,760 --> 01:34:57,560
Speaker 1: I I'm way too excited for what he's going to

2052
01:34:57,600 --> 01:34:59,320
Speaker 1: be cut and that's in his first game. He's gonna

2053
01:34:59,320 --> 01:35:01,360
Speaker 1: get better. Yeah, I'm way too excited for what he

2054
01:35:01,400 --> 01:35:03,160
Speaker 1: can be. I they have a real guy here.

2055
01:35:03,320 --> 01:35:05,680
Speaker 2: They need to play him as much as possible. And

2056
01:35:05,720 --> 01:35:07,760
Speaker 2: I don't mean to like say like, oh, let's throw

2057
01:35:07,800 --> 01:35:10,040
Speaker 2: the rookie into seventy snaps a game, Like if they

2058
01:35:10,040 --> 01:35:12,080
Speaker 2: don't feel like he's ready, I feel like he's ready,

2059
01:35:12,080 --> 01:35:15,599
Speaker 2: then you play him in the situation he looks ready. Yeah,

2060
01:35:15,680 --> 01:35:17,639
Speaker 2: I think what what stands out about him?

2061
01:35:17,920 --> 01:35:19,680
Speaker 1: Look right here is we're watching this and they have

2062
01:35:19,720 --> 01:35:21,439
Speaker 1: the game on it. Right.

2063
01:35:22,600 --> 01:35:25,080
Speaker 2: So he won four times in the past rush. Two

2064
01:35:25,080 --> 01:35:27,559
Speaker 2: of them were with power just speed to power bowl

2065
01:35:27,640 --> 01:35:31,280
Speaker 2: rush one on each tackle. Uh. Then he won with

2066
01:35:31,360 --> 01:35:33,200
Speaker 2: an inside out move which I've seen him use in

2067
01:35:33,520 --> 01:35:36,920
Speaker 2: practice and it's filthy. Uh just you know, a jude On,

2068
01:35:37,520 --> 01:35:40,240
Speaker 2: It's a Judon move. He put fakes outside, comes back.

2069
01:35:40,160 --> 01:35:42,000
Speaker 1: Real quick pause. What do you think of that move

2070
01:35:42,200 --> 01:35:44,600
Speaker 1: that Miles Garrett pulled where he does like the basketball

2071
01:35:44,680 --> 01:35:45,200
Speaker 1: came across.

2072
01:35:45,800 --> 01:35:49,080
Speaker 2: I know he's he's he's a Miles Garrett's an alien

2073
01:35:49,240 --> 01:35:52,800
Speaker 2: like Miles Garrett does not move like other people do. So, yeah,

2074
01:35:52,840 --> 01:35:54,400
Speaker 2: he won with that. Then he won with speed around

2075
01:35:54,400 --> 01:35:58,720
Speaker 2: the corner to speed rip around the corner. He he

2076
01:35:58,800 --> 01:36:01,519
Speaker 2: made it look easy like he really did. He may

2077
01:36:01,600 --> 01:36:04,800
Speaker 2: look easy and not only did I I really not

2078
01:36:04,840 --> 01:36:08,160
Speaker 2: only is he just relentless, but the recovery talent to

2079
01:36:08,320 --> 01:36:10,080
Speaker 2: like plant his foot in the ground and then go

2080
01:36:10,200 --> 01:36:13,519
Speaker 2: chase Jalen Hurts. After Jalen Hurts, you know, leaves the pocket.

2081
01:36:14,080 --> 01:36:14,760
Speaker 2: That's rare.

2082
01:36:15,040 --> 01:36:17,120
Speaker 1: Like look, I know you just said nobody moves like

2083
01:36:17,160 --> 01:36:19,479
Speaker 1: Miles Garrett and I'm not comparing him to Miles Garrett,

2084
01:36:19,520 --> 01:36:22,040
Speaker 1: but like this isn't He doesn't move like you expect

2085
01:36:22,040 --> 01:36:23,800
Speaker 1: a sixty five, two hundred and ninety pound got to move.

2086
01:36:24,040 --> 01:36:26,479
Speaker 2: It's the change of direction for that really stands out.

2087
01:36:26,520 --> 01:36:29,800
Speaker 2: Like the play that he bowl rushes mylotta. Yeah, and

2088
01:36:29,840 --> 01:36:32,840
Speaker 2: then he's able to kind of recover and change directions

2089
01:36:32,880 --> 01:36:36,719
Speaker 2: to then get Hurts up into the sideline. That's something

2090
01:36:36,800 --> 01:36:40,200
Speaker 2: that their defensive line has been missing. Like Judean and

2091
01:36:40,200 --> 01:36:44,439
Speaker 2: ouj and bar More can get downhill better than like

2092
01:36:44,600 --> 01:36:48,120
Speaker 2: a lot of guys, but they then they lose contained right,

2093
01:36:48,120 --> 01:36:49,800
Speaker 2: Like they don't recover as quickly as he.

2094
01:36:50,000 --> 01:36:51,559
Speaker 1: So let me ask you this. You talk about getting

2095
01:36:51,600 --> 01:36:53,040
Speaker 1: him on the field more, and how do you do that?

2096
01:36:53,600 --> 01:36:53,800
Speaker 2: Yeah?

2097
01:36:54,080 --> 01:36:56,719
Speaker 1: Can he makes some of this work as an interior rusher?

2098
01:36:57,120 --> 01:36:58,880
Speaker 2: Yeah? I would hope so, because that would be the

2099
01:36:58,960 --> 01:37:01,040
Speaker 2: next step. I I think that with his hand in

2100
01:37:01,080 --> 01:37:03,920
Speaker 2: the dirt. He crossed his face so quickly that he's

2101
01:37:03,960 --> 01:37:06,280
Speaker 2: going to be really a problem with guards.

2102
01:37:06,320 --> 01:37:07,880
Speaker 1: Doesn't even need to be hand in the dirty. You

2103
01:37:07,880 --> 01:37:09,960
Speaker 1: could stand them up right, Yeah, we know they do that.

2104
01:37:10,160 --> 01:37:12,400
Speaker 1: My point being like, do you think they can get

2105
01:37:12,400 --> 01:37:14,000
Speaker 1: to the point And I know that they like to

2106
01:37:14,040 --> 01:37:17,320
Speaker 1: put more guys back in these obvious passing situations, But

2107
01:37:17,360 --> 01:37:19,840
Speaker 1: where you have a pass rush group of Jude on

2108
01:37:19,920 --> 01:37:22,600
Speaker 1: and on the edge in Barmore and Keon White in

2109
01:37:22,600 --> 01:37:25,040
Speaker 1: the middle, do you think that's something they can functionally

2110
01:37:25,120 --> 01:37:28,360
Speaker 1: build because if they do, yeah, I mean, it'd be

2111
01:37:28,360 --> 01:37:28,880
Speaker 1: pretty fun.

2112
01:37:29,080 --> 01:37:29,280
Speaker 6: Yeah.

2113
01:37:29,400 --> 01:37:31,519
Speaker 2: I do wonder if, like you know, you've used like

2114
01:37:31,560 --> 01:37:34,240
Speaker 2: the Trey Flowers like type of role comparison. I do

2115
01:37:34,320 --> 01:37:38,280
Speaker 2: wonder at one point do they put Keon White at

2116
01:37:38,280 --> 01:37:41,120
Speaker 2: the nose in that five rush package, you know, five

2117
01:37:41,200 --> 01:37:44,400
Speaker 2: zero rush package that they use in that way that

2118
01:37:44,479 --> 01:37:47,320
Speaker 2: they had like four guys standing up around Trey Flowers

2119
01:37:47,320 --> 01:37:48,960
Speaker 2: and it was just Trey Flowers of his hand in

2120
01:37:49,000 --> 01:37:49,320
Speaker 2: the well.

2121
01:37:49,320 --> 01:37:51,679
Speaker 1: But couldn't you do that with bar more You could

2122
01:37:51,760 --> 01:37:53,599
Speaker 1: and then have wipey one of the guys that's standing up.

2123
01:37:53,640 --> 01:37:55,880
Speaker 2: You could, Yeah, yeah, any of that would be great.

2124
01:37:56,200 --> 01:37:57,880
Speaker 1: I think all of that would be I just if

2125
01:37:57,920 --> 01:37:59,240
Speaker 1: you can find a guy to get the find a

2126
01:37:59,280 --> 01:38:00,800
Speaker 1: way to get those four guys on the field in

2127
01:38:00,840 --> 01:38:03,760
Speaker 1: a pass rush situation, I mean, you can really do. So.

2128
01:38:03,800 --> 01:38:05,639
Speaker 2: It's one of the better fronts in the league. Yeah,

2129
01:38:05,720 --> 01:38:08,080
Speaker 2: I've been saying that all along about the Patriots defensive front.

2130
01:38:08,360 --> 01:38:10,400
Speaker 2: They have one of the best defensive fronts in the NFL.

2131
01:38:10,760 --> 01:38:14,080
Speaker 2: I don't think you know, Niners, Cowboys, Eagles like those

2132
01:38:14,120 --> 01:38:17,080
Speaker 2: teams might have them beat. But other than that, I'd

2133
01:38:17,120 --> 01:38:20,080
Speaker 2: probably take their front over everybody else. It's top five

2134
01:38:20,280 --> 01:38:22,400
Speaker 2: in my opinion. All Right, So he talked about ke

2135
01:38:22,560 --> 01:38:24,759
Speaker 2: Why we talked about Marty Mapu earlier in the show.

2136
01:38:26,040 --> 01:38:30,559
Speaker 2: I do want to give Jawan Bentley his flowers, really

2137
01:38:30,600 --> 01:38:35,040
Speaker 2: really good Juwan Bentley game. He's he's just a good

2138
01:38:35,240 --> 01:38:39,599
Speaker 2: football player. He's just so good at taking on blocks

2139
01:38:39,600 --> 01:38:43,280
Speaker 2: and condensing space in the running game. I really feel

2140
01:38:43,320 --> 01:38:48,160
Speaker 2: like his development as a player and how fast he

2141
01:38:48,240 --> 01:38:51,719
Speaker 2: plays now compared to how he early on in his career.

2142
01:38:51,840 --> 01:38:54,280
Speaker 2: Like he could always hit, he could always come downhill,

2143
01:38:54,320 --> 01:38:57,400
Speaker 2: but sometimes he looked like his feet were in cement right,

2144
01:38:57,479 --> 01:38:59,679
Speaker 2: Like he looked like his feet were stuck he's such

2145
01:38:59,720 --> 01:39:04,599
Speaker 2: a more explosive, like just flexible player then he then

2146
01:39:04,640 --> 01:39:06,960
Speaker 2: he used to be. I really give him a lot

2147
01:39:07,000 --> 01:39:10,160
Speaker 2: of credit. He's he's gotten so much better over the

2148
01:39:10,200 --> 01:39:12,320
Speaker 2: course of his career. I played a great game in

2149
01:39:12,360 --> 01:39:16,280
Speaker 2: this one. Uh is there anybody else? Si Jabriel Peppers.

2150
01:39:16,240 --> 01:39:18,639
Speaker 1: Pepper, Yeah, yeah, he's going to be a player this year.

2151
01:39:19,880 --> 01:39:22,800
Speaker 1: Miles Bryant. I thought playing a good game, which again

2152
01:39:22,840 --> 01:39:24,840
Speaker 1: it's that thing I've been talking about. Don't well. So

2153
01:39:24,880 --> 01:39:27,200
Speaker 1: it didn't start well because they'd a manning up Quez Watkins,

2154
01:39:27,240 --> 01:39:28,360
Speaker 1: which he can't do well.

2155
01:39:28,560 --> 01:39:30,040
Speaker 2: It was zone but yeah, okay, but.

2156
01:39:30,040 --> 01:39:33,080
Speaker 1: Like, let him play a deeper zone, come up diagnose

2157
01:39:34,360 --> 01:39:36,400
Speaker 1: like I meant that tackle and aj Brown.

2158
01:39:36,520 --> 01:39:38,800
Speaker 2: He should be able to play the flat like it was. Okay,

2159
01:39:38,840 --> 01:39:40,080
Speaker 2: it was our p but you get what.

2160
01:39:40,120 --> 01:39:42,479
Speaker 1: You get what I'm saying, like, just let him let

2161
01:39:42,520 --> 01:39:45,000
Speaker 1: him diagnose rather than chase. When you let him do that,

2162
01:39:45,040 --> 01:39:46,160
Speaker 1: he actually does make plays.

2163
01:39:46,160 --> 01:39:48,280
Speaker 2: All right, let's take the call from Patty. Who's Who's

2164
01:39:48,320 --> 01:39:51,639
Speaker 2: had some good emails this week, Patty, some some interesting emails.

2165
01:39:51,680 --> 01:39:52,559
Speaker 2: How you doing, Patty?

2166
01:39:53,760 --> 01:39:57,960
Speaker 5: What's going on? Guys? Not much so I haven't listen.

2167
01:39:58,040 --> 01:40:00,880
Speaker 5: I wasn't really coming after you the other day when

2168
01:40:00,920 --> 01:40:04,040
Speaker 5: I emailed in, my whole point was, like the last

2169
01:40:04,040 --> 01:40:08,639
Speaker 5: few years, I know, the end result was they didn't

2170
01:40:08,720 --> 01:40:11,479
Speaker 5: get it done, and against good teams they haven't gotten

2171
01:40:11,520 --> 01:40:14,439
Speaker 5: it done. But I think just comparing the last year

2172
01:40:15,240 --> 01:40:17,400
Speaker 5: what I saw them do, Like, I think if this

2173
01:40:17,600 --> 01:40:19,400
Speaker 5: was last year and they were down sixteen to nothing,

2174
01:40:19,400 --> 01:40:21,439
Speaker 5: I would have just I would have been pulling my

2175
01:40:21,479 --> 01:40:23,880
Speaker 5: hair out that they're gonna end up getting beat forty

2176
01:40:23,920 --> 01:40:25,599
Speaker 5: five to nothing or forty five to ten.

2177
01:40:25,479 --> 01:40:26,000
Speaker 10: In this game.

2178
01:40:28,160 --> 01:40:30,920
Speaker 5: But you know, I did see some improvement. I thought,

2179
01:40:31,040 --> 01:40:34,519
Speaker 5: even though like Mac got the ball out quick, the

2180
01:40:34,560 --> 01:40:37,040
Speaker 5: fact that they started those two rookies, and those two

2181
01:40:37,080 --> 01:40:40,760
Speaker 5: rookies also went up against those monsters on the defensive

2182
01:40:40,760 --> 01:40:44,240
Speaker 5: line they played, I think everybody played a pretty good

2183
01:40:44,280 --> 01:40:46,320
Speaker 5: game as far as like the offensive line.

2184
01:40:46,479 --> 01:40:48,719
Speaker 2: Okay, I got to push back on that a little bit, Patty,

2185
01:40:48,840 --> 01:40:51,040
Speaker 2: like their rookies in their first screw starts, I'm not

2186
01:40:51,080 --> 01:40:54,640
Speaker 2: going to kill them, but keep going, keep going. I

2187
01:40:54,640 --> 01:40:55,080
Speaker 2: don't want to.

2188
01:40:56,160 --> 01:40:58,840
Speaker 5: And Mac, you're right. Mac has to play sixteen minutes,

2189
01:40:59,200 --> 01:41:01,920
Speaker 5: has to play six minute game, can't play thirty minutes.

2190
01:41:02,000 --> 01:41:07,080
Speaker 5: He can't play fifteen minutes and expect to win, but

2191
01:41:07,560 --> 01:41:09,800
Speaker 5: you know that that's done and over week one is done.

2192
01:41:11,800 --> 01:41:13,920
Speaker 5: I don't have a good feeling about this game. When

2193
01:41:13,960 --> 01:41:17,679
Speaker 5: I looked at the injury report, I'm just like, come on, man,

2194
01:41:18,280 --> 01:41:21,040
Speaker 5: like that we're already having offensive line lows now, our

2195
01:41:21,120 --> 01:41:25,560
Speaker 5: starting left tackle, our starting center, and the rookie that

2196
01:41:25,640 --> 01:41:28,200
Speaker 5: they had what was so playing right guard. He's that

2197
01:41:28,320 --> 01:41:29,200
Speaker 5: they're not going to play.

2198
01:41:30,439 --> 01:41:31,040
Speaker 10: I could see.

2199
01:41:31,080 --> 01:41:36,519
Speaker 5: I could see a scenario, honestly where they just there's

2200
01:41:36,600 --> 01:41:40,360
Speaker 5: too many turnovers and kind of like how they began

2201
01:41:40,439 --> 01:41:44,800
Speaker 5: the game last week, where it's just they turned the

2202
01:41:44,800 --> 01:41:47,120
Speaker 5: ball over a couple of times, Miami gets a few

2203
01:41:47,200 --> 01:41:49,840
Speaker 5: quick scores and it's over because they can't block it.

2204
01:41:50,000 --> 01:41:52,400
Speaker 5: And and I don't think Miami's defense is great by

2205
01:41:52,439 --> 01:41:54,880
Speaker 5: any stretch of the imagination. I think Christian Wilkins is

2206
01:41:54,880 --> 01:41:55,640
Speaker 5: a beast.

2207
01:41:56,040 --> 01:41:56,200
Speaker 3: But.

2208
01:41:57,960 --> 01:42:01,639
Speaker 5: Forget about it. You're can't block them, You're not gonna

2209
01:42:01,640 --> 01:42:05,040
Speaker 5: freaking win, You're not gonna move the ball. I think

2210
01:42:05,080 --> 01:42:07,040
Speaker 5: the Dolphins are one in this game. And I hate

2211
01:42:07,040 --> 01:42:09,760
Speaker 5: to say, because they're my NFL Yankees, I hate them.

2212
01:42:09,800 --> 01:42:12,920
Speaker 5: They're they're my least favorite sports team, even more so

2213
01:42:13,040 --> 01:42:17,080
Speaker 5: than the Yankees, even more so than the Lakers. That's

2214
01:42:17,120 --> 01:42:17,679
Speaker 5: all I got.

2215
01:42:17,960 --> 01:42:20,040
Speaker 2: Thanks mate, thanks for the call. I didn't mean. I

2216
01:42:20,080 --> 01:42:22,599
Speaker 2: don't want to trash the rookies because it's their first

2217
01:42:22,640 --> 01:42:27,120
Speaker 2: career start. They're they're thrown into a tough situation. But

2218
01:42:27,240 --> 01:42:29,559
Speaker 2: to categorize Mafi and so is playing well in that

2219
01:42:29,640 --> 01:42:32,360
Speaker 2: game is not really telling the truths.

2220
01:42:32,400 --> 01:42:34,800
Speaker 1: They played better than expectations. It doesn't mean they played well.

2221
01:42:34,840 --> 01:42:36,600
Speaker 1: That's kind of how I put it. I actually I

2222
01:42:37,640 --> 01:42:39,479
Speaker 1: texted you the number yard sday was it they ran for?

2223
01:42:40,160 --> 01:42:42,200
Speaker 1: I think it was one point three yards per carry

2224
01:42:42,240 --> 01:42:45,679
Speaker 1: between guards? Like, that's not they gave it done.

2225
01:42:45,720 --> 01:42:48,360
Speaker 2: The two of them gave up twelve pressures between the

2226
01:42:48,400 --> 01:42:48,720
Speaker 2: two of them.

2227
01:42:48,760 --> 01:42:51,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, twelve twelve pressures one point three yards per carry. Look,

2228
01:42:51,960 --> 01:42:53,760
Speaker 1: they didn't get mac Jones killed, and I think that's

2229
01:42:53,840 --> 01:42:57,120
Speaker 1: kind of what the expectation was enough. So they played

2230
01:42:57,160 --> 01:42:59,080
Speaker 1: better than that, and that's kind of the story of

2231
01:42:59,080 --> 01:43:01,480
Speaker 1: a lot of things with the team's better than expectations.

2232
01:43:01,479 --> 01:43:02,479
Speaker 1: But it doesn't mean it was good.

2233
01:43:02,600 --> 01:43:05,360
Speaker 2: Okay, so uh good, good way to end it. On

2234
01:43:05,400 --> 01:43:09,280
Speaker 2: the offensive line and then the Brady stuff offensive line,

2235
01:43:10,200 --> 01:43:12,920
Speaker 2: What are we looking at on Sunday for this offensive line?

2236
01:43:13,160 --> 01:43:16,240
Speaker 2: Assuming that the injuries hold.

2237
01:43:16,600 --> 01:43:20,680
Speaker 1: I understand there all five like, like what are we

2238
01:43:20,680 --> 01:43:21,120
Speaker 1: talking about?

2239
01:43:21,120 --> 01:43:23,800
Speaker 2: We can talk about, but I understand where Patty's coming from,

2240
01:43:23,800 --> 01:43:25,599
Speaker 2: where everybody's coming from, that they look at the injuries

2241
01:43:25,600 --> 01:43:28,479
Speaker 2: of the offensive line and it's it's concerning. And I

2242
01:43:28,720 --> 01:43:32,080
Speaker 2: picked the Dolphins in the game, but overall, in terms

2243
01:43:32,120 --> 01:43:34,960
Speaker 2: of like the competitiveness of the game and keeping it close,

2244
01:43:35,400 --> 01:43:38,759
Speaker 2: I actually am not overly concerned with the offensive line

2245
01:43:38,760 --> 01:43:42,000
Speaker 2: because I really was impressed by how O'Brien and mack

2246
01:43:42,120 --> 01:43:45,160
Speaker 2: was were able to manage it on Sunday, and I

2247
01:43:45,200 --> 01:43:47,120
Speaker 2: don't think that this Dolphins front is as good as

2248
01:43:47,120 --> 01:43:48,040
Speaker 2: the one they just went up there.

2249
01:43:48,160 --> 01:43:49,600
Speaker 1: So I think that's a really good way to put it,

2250
01:43:49,600 --> 01:43:52,040
Speaker 1: because what scares me about this offensive line they can

2251
01:43:52,120 --> 01:43:54,280
Speaker 1: As we were watching the game, Kendrick Bourne takes off.

2252
01:43:54,400 --> 01:43:56,479
Speaker 1: He's so good that hidden plan last year.

2253
01:43:58,680 --> 01:44:00,720
Speaker 2: He won't let that go and I appreciate it.

2254
01:44:01,120 --> 01:44:03,599
Speaker 1: Kv's my guy. I've said this for you. I will

2255
01:44:03,600 --> 01:44:05,840
Speaker 1: find a spot for Kendrick Born on my team any day.

2256
01:44:05,920 --> 01:44:08,200
Speaker 1: Guy like on and off the field, just what he thinks. Okay,

2257
01:44:09,880 --> 01:44:11,920
Speaker 1: it's not so much that I'm worried about Mac Jones

2258
01:44:12,200 --> 01:44:14,519
Speaker 1: being under pressure because he handled pressure well last week,

2259
01:44:14,920 --> 01:44:16,559
Speaker 1: and like you just said, the big thing, they'll scheme

2260
01:44:16,600 --> 01:44:20,639
Speaker 1: around it. Yeah, it's that fourth and three that you hated, right, Yeah,

2261
01:44:20,680 --> 01:44:22,559
Speaker 1: why did that fourth and three happen? Because on third

2262
01:44:22,560 --> 01:44:24,160
Speaker 1: and three they tried to I don't know if it

2263
01:44:24,200 --> 01:44:26,360
Speaker 1: was technically half back dive, but like they went between

2264
01:44:26,400 --> 01:44:28,759
Speaker 1: the guards with the Zegiel Elliot, he got stonewalled. Yeah,

2265
01:44:28,880 --> 01:44:31,360
Speaker 1: that is my biggest concern with the offensive line. When

2266
01:44:31,400 --> 01:44:34,879
Speaker 1: you need a yard to three yards, can the offensive

2267
01:44:34,880 --> 01:44:37,600
Speaker 1: line and lie you to get that conventionally? Are you

2268
01:44:37,680 --> 01:44:39,400
Speaker 1: going to be weird? Are you gonna have to do something?

2269
01:44:39,840 --> 01:44:41,599
Speaker 1: That's what scares me more than anything else right now

2270
01:44:41,640 --> 01:44:42,479
Speaker 1: with the offensive line.

2271
01:44:42,800 --> 01:44:44,759
Speaker 2: The part of the reason why they dropped back fifty

2272
01:44:44,760 --> 01:44:47,200
Speaker 2: eight times is because it was sixteen to nothing out

2273
01:44:47,240 --> 01:44:49,120
Speaker 2: of the gate. But they also couldn't run the ball.

2274
01:44:49,160 --> 01:44:52,360
Speaker 1: So that, by the way, in a way credit to O'Brien,

2275
01:44:52,360 --> 01:44:54,240
Speaker 1: because last year they would not have made that adjustment.

2276
01:44:54,320 --> 01:44:56,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think you know, the thing that I

2277
01:44:56,400 --> 01:44:58,880
Speaker 2: like so much about O'Brien's offense is that, you know,

2278
01:44:58,920 --> 01:45:01,320
Speaker 2: his quick game and his green game really operates as

2279
01:45:01,360 --> 01:45:01,960
Speaker 2: an extension of.

2280
01:45:01,960 --> 01:45:03,880
Speaker 1: The run, even though the other thing you said before,

2281
01:45:04,479 --> 01:45:06,640
Speaker 1: you point out he's not afraid if something's working to

2282
01:45:06,720 --> 01:45:09,240
Speaker 1: keep going back to it. Yeah, At the same time,

2283
01:45:09,280 --> 01:45:11,000
Speaker 1: and this is probably kind of the same take from

2284
01:45:11,040 --> 01:45:13,840
Speaker 1: a different angle. If something's not working, even if it's

2285
01:45:13,840 --> 01:45:17,120
Speaker 1: something he likes, he'll understand it's not working and move on.

2286
01:45:17,760 --> 01:45:20,000
Speaker 1: And they moved on from the run game last week.

2287
01:45:20,400 --> 01:45:22,920
Speaker 1: You can't do that every week. At a certain point,

2288
01:45:23,120 --> 01:45:24,800
Speaker 1: you're gonna have a third one where you just need

2289
01:45:24,840 --> 01:45:27,479
Speaker 1: a pound at home and the offensive line needs to

2290
01:45:27,479 --> 01:45:29,200
Speaker 1: allow needs to allow you to do that.

2291
01:45:29,360 --> 01:45:31,840
Speaker 2: So for the group, Yeah, let's go over the configurations.

2292
01:45:31,920 --> 01:45:35,759
Speaker 1: So Trent Brown and City so aren't playing like there's

2293
01:45:35,840 --> 01:45:38,720
Speaker 1: just no way a week after concussion. I think you

2294
01:45:38,760 --> 01:45:42,080
Speaker 1: move Calvin Anderson to left tackle first and foremost. But

2295
01:45:43,320 --> 01:45:46,000
Speaker 1: what are the other offense Andrew Stuber? I think Andrew

2296
01:45:46,000 --> 01:45:49,400
Speaker 1: Steuber is the only other tackle, right, All right, well,

2297
01:45:49,479 --> 01:45:51,000
Speaker 1: you're moving Calvin Anderson to left tackle.

2298
01:45:51,280 --> 01:45:53,840
Speaker 2: I thought Calvin Anderson initially on my initial watch, I

2299
01:45:53,840 --> 01:45:57,040
Speaker 2: thought Calvin Anderson was fine. I watched the offensive line

2300
01:45:57,080 --> 01:46:01,080
Speaker 2: alone again and he also at a rough game. Yeah,

2301
01:46:01,240 --> 01:46:01,639
Speaker 2: keep going.

2302
01:46:01,880 --> 01:46:03,720
Speaker 1: I I think some of it too, Like guys are

2303
01:46:03,800 --> 01:46:06,920
Speaker 1: they brought down by like they are all kind of

2304
01:46:07,000 --> 01:46:08,639
Speaker 1: we talk about guys elevating each other.

2305
01:46:08,800 --> 01:46:11,160
Speaker 2: A lot of it too with him, in all fairness

2306
01:46:11,280 --> 01:46:13,160
Speaker 2: is like you didn't have training companies out there for

2307
01:46:13,560 --> 01:46:15,840
Speaker 2: plays on the week one in the conditioning. You know,

2308
01:46:15,880 --> 01:46:18,559
Speaker 2: a lot of his his bad bad reps came in

2309
01:46:18,560 --> 01:46:19,320
Speaker 2: the second half.

2310
01:46:19,160 --> 01:46:21,240
Speaker 1: Which makes sense. Yeah, so all right, so you have

2311
01:46:21,240 --> 01:46:24,599
Speaker 1: Callan Anderson left tackle. Let's let's let's do one. We're

2312
01:46:24,880 --> 01:46:26,599
Speaker 1: outside of Andrews. None of the guys on the injury

2313
01:46:26,600 --> 01:46:30,240
Speaker 1: report play, so you're you're still missing Cole Strange and

2314
01:46:30,280 --> 01:46:33,479
Speaker 1: Mike Winning again. I think you're going Callan Anderson, ye,

2315
01:46:35,000 --> 01:46:40,559
Speaker 1: Antonio Maffi, David Andrews. It's probably James Ferrence a right

2316
01:46:40,760 --> 01:46:43,360
Speaker 1: guard is a practice squad elevation over Jake Andrews.

2317
01:46:43,040 --> 01:46:44,919
Speaker 2: Right, I would think so. And then.

2318
01:46:46,760 --> 01:46:50,400
Speaker 1: In your Varian Lowe Darian low at right tackle unless

2319
01:46:50,400 --> 01:46:53,879
Speaker 1: he's not ready, in which case they probably recall Andrew stupid.

2320
01:46:52,880 --> 01:46:55,760
Speaker 1: I think there's a chance to get two offensive line

2321
01:46:55,800 --> 01:47:02,120
Speaker 1: recalls for this game anyway. Yeah, if honestly, it's probably

2322
01:47:02,760 --> 01:47:04,920
Speaker 1: a one for one if either of those guards return.

2323
01:47:05,760 --> 01:47:10,040
Speaker 1: Whoever returns, Mafi's in the other spot. Yep, right over Farence.

2324
01:47:10,240 --> 01:47:12,160
Speaker 2: Yep. Mafi was.

2325
01:47:14,200 --> 01:47:17,960
Speaker 1: Like, no, you didn't think so. Maybe it's just by comparison.

2326
01:47:17,560 --> 01:47:21,720
Speaker 2: Jaileen Carter, just it's Carter, but that's that's every week.

2327
01:47:21,760 --> 01:47:22,479
Speaker 2: This week it's Christian.

2328
01:47:22,520 --> 01:47:27,120
Speaker 1: That's all right, all right, it's fair point, it's fair point. Well,

2329
01:47:27,160 --> 01:47:28,799
Speaker 1: then do you think there's a chance to try Farence

2330
01:47:28,800 --> 01:47:30,639
Speaker 1: and just be like, these rookies aren't ready, we're going.

2331
01:47:30,680 --> 01:47:33,840
Speaker 2: I think believe to give him the reps and give

2332
01:47:33,880 --> 01:47:36,320
Speaker 2: him the opportunity. The way that I look at Stranger

2333
01:47:36,400 --> 01:47:39,400
Speaker 2: on Uh is that I think that if that was

2334
01:47:40,200 --> 01:47:43,800
Speaker 2: a post Thanksgiving game, I'm not ready to say a

2335
01:47:43,800 --> 01:47:46,679
Speaker 2: playoffs because let's fra it, you know, post Thanksgiving game.

2336
01:47:47,040 --> 01:47:49,680
Speaker 1: I think the week seventeen against the Bills last year

2337
01:47:49,680 --> 01:47:53,160
Speaker 1: winning in Okay, they play I I thought it was

2338
01:47:53,360 --> 01:47:56,840
Speaker 1: very interesting when Bill was asked about them on Wednesday,

2339
01:47:57,840 --> 01:47:59,760
Speaker 1: he said, you know, where are they gonna play? Sad

2340
01:47:59,760 --> 01:48:02,480
Speaker 1: they'll eventually. It's a really.

2341
01:48:02,280 --> 01:48:06,240
Speaker 2: Weird because I think one Bill with Bill, it's always

2342
01:48:06,240 --> 01:48:08,480
Speaker 2: gamesman ship, right, he doesn't want to tell the Dolphins

2343
01:48:08,520 --> 01:48:09,759
Speaker 2: anything but yeah.

2344
01:48:09,600 --> 01:48:11,760
Speaker 1: But usually he just says they're out there practicing, you know.

2345
01:48:11,800 --> 01:48:13,200
Speaker 1: With Andrew, I think the other.

2346
01:48:13,080 --> 01:48:16,160
Speaker 2: Way to look at it is is that that's a

2347
01:48:16,200 --> 01:48:20,960
Speaker 2: situation where it's bigger than a week two game against

2348
01:48:20,960 --> 01:48:24,120
Speaker 2: Miami and these decisions to make about the long term

2349
01:48:24,160 --> 01:48:28,559
Speaker 2: longevity of the player. But I think that my gut,

2350
01:48:28,600 --> 01:48:31,360
Speaker 2: and this is not any inside information, my gut is

2351
01:48:31,360 --> 01:48:33,760
Speaker 2: is that one of Stranger on when he will be

2352
01:48:33,760 --> 01:48:34,000
Speaker 2: out there.

2353
01:48:34,000 --> 01:48:35,800
Speaker 1: I feel like Strange is probably closer than when.

2354
01:48:35,960 --> 01:48:38,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think if they're close and they can, it's

2355
01:48:38,840 --> 01:48:43,240
Speaker 2: ninety five percent healthy that one of those guys will

2356
01:48:43,240 --> 01:48:46,040
Speaker 2: play because they have to at this point, like they're

2357
01:48:46,040 --> 01:48:50,559
Speaker 2: desperate for bodies, let alone just the talent level being different.

2358
01:48:50,600 --> 01:48:52,240
Speaker 2: So I think one of those guys is going to

2359
01:48:52,280 --> 01:48:54,800
Speaker 2: play on Sunday. So I agree with your line. If

2360
01:48:54,840 --> 01:48:59,760
Speaker 2: nobody else plays, I think that you're probably in my

2361
01:49:00,080 --> 01:49:05,080
Speaker 2: mind looking at Calvin Anderson, Cold Strange, David andrews Antonio,

2362
01:49:05,080 --> 01:49:07,760
Speaker 2: Maffivederien Low from left to right. I think that on

2363
01:49:07,840 --> 01:49:10,200
Speaker 2: Winny Will they'll continue to hold on winning out. But

2364
01:49:10,640 --> 01:49:14,200
Speaker 2: I think Strangel will play on Sunday, just gut, not

2365
01:49:14,360 --> 01:49:16,400
Speaker 2: no inside info on that, but I just I think

2366
01:49:16,400 --> 01:49:20,479
Speaker 2: he will and really quickly. Also on the on the

2367
01:49:20,520 --> 01:49:24,479
Speaker 2: offensive line, I gave David Andrews the gold Star at

2368
01:49:24,479 --> 01:49:26,599
Speaker 2: the beginning of the show. But Trent Brown was also

2369
01:49:26,640 --> 01:49:28,439
Speaker 2: really good in that game on Sunday too, which makes

2370
01:49:28,439 --> 01:49:31,120
Speaker 2: the concussion even more of a bummer. He lost late

2371
01:49:31,160 --> 01:49:34,880
Speaker 2: on that Josh Sweat sack, but other than that, he

2372
01:49:35,080 --> 01:49:37,719
Speaker 2: was he was pretty good in that game, like old

2373
01:49:37,760 --> 01:49:40,120
Speaker 2: Trent Brown, you know, one on one pass pro on

2374
01:49:40,160 --> 01:49:43,599
Speaker 2: the backside and played really welled up, really well. So

2375
01:49:43,680 --> 01:49:46,280
Speaker 2: hopefully that has a one week concussion and he's back

2376
01:49:46,320 --> 01:49:48,679
Speaker 2: long term and it's it's nothing major to worry about,

2377
01:49:48,840 --> 01:49:51,360
Speaker 2: all right, really quickly, we got three minutes before we

2378
01:49:51,360 --> 01:49:54,680
Speaker 2: got a wrap on the Brady stuff. What what what?

2379
01:49:55,040 --> 01:49:56,439
Speaker 2: Just what was your take? Closure?

2380
01:49:57,240 --> 01:50:00,040
Speaker 1: Closure? It really it really was the thing. When he

2381
01:50:00,040 --> 01:50:02,280
Speaker 1: he left, I remember it was like, you'll get Peyton

2382
01:50:02,280 --> 01:50:05,200
Speaker 1: Manning And when's the last time Peyton Manning did anything

2383
01:50:05,240 --> 01:50:08,479
Speaker 1: remotely related to the Indianapolis Colts. And it's like that

2384
01:50:08,680 --> 01:50:10,439
Speaker 1: sucks because he's such a huge part of that franchise

2385
01:50:10,439 --> 01:50:12,400
Speaker 1: and Brady's even bigger here. It's like I don't want

2386
01:50:12,400 --> 01:50:14,000
Speaker 1: to lose him forever. I get he had to go

2387
01:50:14,080 --> 01:50:15,800
Speaker 1: somewhere else to play, but it's like, is he just

2388
01:50:15,840 --> 01:50:18,360
Speaker 1: gonna be a buck now and when he said, you know,

2389
01:50:18,479 --> 01:50:21,320
Speaker 1: Patriot for life and to see him in the old

2390
01:50:21,720 --> 01:50:25,360
Speaker 1: Jersey and actually do the rundown and all that and

2391
01:50:25,400 --> 01:50:29,000
Speaker 1: he's gonna come back again, and just it was it's like,

2392
01:50:29,040 --> 01:50:31,720
Speaker 1: all right, he's coming back, Like he's still here, He's

2393
01:50:31,760 --> 01:50:33,439
Speaker 1: still a part of this. I get we have to

2394
01:50:33,479 --> 01:50:35,080
Speaker 1: share him with Tampa. That's fine.

2395
01:50:35,160 --> 01:50:35,439
Speaker 2: I don't know.

2396
01:50:35,479 --> 01:50:37,760
Speaker 1: If we do well, that would be even better. No,

2397
01:50:37,800 --> 01:50:39,840
Speaker 1: But like he did, he won a title there. He

2398
01:50:39,960 --> 01:50:41,000
Speaker 1: there's an extent to that.

2399
01:50:41,120 --> 01:50:44,160
Speaker 2: I don't I don't know if in Brady's so I

2400
01:50:44,240 --> 01:50:47,160
Speaker 2: said at the end of the show, So what.

2401
01:50:46,760 --> 01:50:48,880
Speaker 1: We know his time in Tampa was purely transactional.

2402
01:50:48,960 --> 01:50:50,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think that's how he views it.

2403
01:50:50,760 --> 01:50:53,200
Speaker 1: But but there's all like when they post like you

2404
01:50:53,240 --> 01:50:55,160
Speaker 1: always see now, like the graphic of the seven Super

2405
01:50:55,160 --> 01:50:57,800
Speaker 1: Bowls and there's like the Bucks logo on it, that's

2406
01:50:57,840 --> 01:51:00,280
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like there'll always be that Tampa part

2407
01:51:00,320 --> 01:51:04,320
Speaker 1: of it, but like he's he's still the Patriot for life.

2408
01:51:04,439 --> 01:51:07,400
Speaker 1: I I is. It was it really like I texted

2409
01:51:07,439 --> 01:51:09,800
Speaker 1: like two or three friends, like all of them after that,

2410
01:51:09,840 --> 01:51:11,240
Speaker 1: and I was like that was closure, and they were

2411
01:51:11,280 --> 01:51:13,240
Speaker 1: all like, that's exactly what it is. Yeah, it was

2412
01:51:13,320 --> 01:51:16,360
Speaker 1: closure on Like rober Kraft said, we never properly got

2413
01:51:16,360 --> 01:51:19,120
Speaker 1: to say goodbye. Yeah, and I think to do that

2414
01:51:19,200 --> 01:51:21,160
Speaker 1: and to hear him say what he said, it felt good.

2415
01:51:21,360 --> 01:51:23,720
Speaker 2: Yeah. I said that. I was I was gonna be

2416
01:51:23,760 --> 01:51:27,839
Speaker 2: body language doctor Brady, and he passed with flying color.

2417
01:51:27,680 --> 01:51:31,599
Speaker 1: Pat body language, and like it wasn't There was no

2418
01:51:31,760 --> 01:51:34,559
Speaker 1: cell job, he wasn't wearing TV twelve stuff. It didn't

2419
01:51:34,560 --> 01:51:37,080
Speaker 1: feel like Hollywood, even like this is a stupid little

2420
01:51:37,120 --> 01:51:39,840
Speaker 1: observation that I had. His hair was like it looked

2421
01:51:39,840 --> 01:51:42,120
Speaker 1: like he just played a game. Like he looked up

2422
01:51:42,120 --> 01:51:45,439
Speaker 1: on the no like himself, him standing up you know

2423
01:51:45,479 --> 01:51:47,960
Speaker 1: because like him standing on the podium, like it gave

2424
01:51:48,000 --> 01:51:50,639
Speaker 1: me a little deja vu to like seeing him pictures

2425
01:51:50,680 --> 01:51:52,800
Speaker 1: of him on the podium after Super Bowls. It wasn't

2426
01:51:52,840 --> 01:51:54,160
Speaker 1: like because I was thinking, like, is he gonna be

2427
01:51:54,240 --> 01:51:55,680
Speaker 1: up there in a suit and he's gonna have the

2428
01:51:55,720 --> 01:51:58,680
Speaker 1: five thousand dollars haircut, and you know he's gonna talk

2429
01:51:58,720 --> 01:52:00,920
Speaker 1: about oh TV twelve now, Oh he went up there

2430
01:52:00,920 --> 01:52:03,960
Speaker 1: in a jersey just looking like some guy and talked

2431
01:52:04,000 --> 01:52:06,080
Speaker 1: about how much he loved it here. That was I

2432
01:52:06,120 --> 01:52:07,800
Speaker 1: didn't think he would do that. I thought we would

2433
01:52:07,800 --> 01:52:10,160
Speaker 1: get Corporate Tom. There was not one ounce of Corporate

2434
01:52:10,160 --> 01:52:11,599
Speaker 1: Tom involved in that. It was awesome.

2435
01:52:11,800 --> 01:52:16,519
Speaker 2: He uh he let himself, let the let the curtain

2436
01:52:16,560 --> 01:52:19,080
Speaker 2: down a little bit. Yeah, he did. He did. And

2437
01:52:19,120 --> 01:52:21,840
Speaker 2: I said, you know, I was gonna see like, was

2438
01:52:21,880 --> 01:52:26,160
Speaker 2: this like you said Corporate Tom, was this I gotta

2439
01:52:26,200 --> 01:52:29,000
Speaker 2: do this for mister Kraft because you know, twenty years

2440
01:52:29,040 --> 01:52:30,920
Speaker 2: of paying me, like I kind of have to do this,

2441
01:52:31,160 --> 01:52:35,200
Speaker 2: Like all right, I'll go No, this wasn't anything like that.

2442
01:52:35,320 --> 01:52:38,679
Speaker 2: And I genuinely think that, based off of his reaction

2443
01:52:38,840 --> 01:52:42,599
Speaker 2: and how he carried himself throughout the entire day, that

2444
01:52:43,640 --> 01:52:47,800
Speaker 2: he identifies as a Patriot. I think he appreciates the

2445
01:52:47,800 --> 01:52:50,720
Speaker 2: Bucks years, and he appreciates the Bucks for letting him

2446
01:52:50,720 --> 01:52:54,400
Speaker 2: continue his career in the NFL post Patriots. But I

2447
01:52:54,439 --> 01:52:58,599
Speaker 2: don't think that in his mind he has really anything

2448
01:52:59,439 --> 01:53:02,200
Speaker 2: to do with the Bucks, if that makes sense, you know, Like,

2449
01:53:02,280 --> 01:53:04,280
Speaker 2: I don't think that he really views himself as.

2450
01:53:04,240 --> 01:53:06,160
Speaker 1: A break right and uh, I mean like I think

2451
01:53:06,160 --> 01:53:07,800
Speaker 1: he'd go back if they had like a thing. But

2452
01:53:07,840 --> 01:53:10,880
Speaker 1: all right, Patriots Bucks Week one, they're both playing at

2453
01:53:10,880 --> 01:53:13,400
Speaker 1: the same time. He gets invited to both he's coming back,

2454
01:53:13,439 --> 01:53:15,479
Speaker 1: He's coming here. I would think, so well, that was

2455
01:53:15,520 --> 01:53:17,160
Speaker 1: the thing. I was like, is that what he's gonna do?

2456
01:53:17,400 --> 01:53:19,280
Speaker 2: I mean, you know that when he goes into the

2457
01:53:19,560 --> 01:53:21,320
Speaker 2: Pro Football Hall of Fame, the Hall of Fame game

2458
01:53:21,360 --> 01:53:24,240
Speaker 2: will be Patriots Bucks of course obviously, right yeah, and

2459
01:53:24,240 --> 01:53:24,840
Speaker 2: that'll be fun.

2460
01:53:25,000 --> 01:53:27,120
Speaker 1: Oh I I that, you know, I don't like usually

2461
01:53:27,120 --> 01:53:28,800
Speaker 1: travel with the team, but like, I've never been in

2462
01:53:28,800 --> 01:53:30,840
Speaker 1: the PROFILEB Hall of Fame. I want to go. I

2463
01:53:30,880 --> 01:53:32,519
Speaker 1: can't think of when I was growing up. But you

2464
01:53:32,520 --> 01:53:34,280
Speaker 1: say I'll go and Drew Bledsoe gets in. I'm starting

2465
01:53:34,320 --> 01:53:35,680
Speaker 1: to think that's not gonna happen. So I'll go in

2466
01:53:35,760 --> 01:53:38,640
Speaker 1: Tom Brady, I'm saying when I was like ten, I

2467
01:53:38,720 --> 01:53:40,439
Speaker 1: used to say that that's great.

2468
01:53:40,680 --> 01:53:45,840
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, so it was great. I thought the him

2469
01:53:45,880 --> 01:53:48,519
Speaker 2: coming out on the lighthouse first and like that sort

2470
01:53:48,560 --> 01:53:52,439
Speaker 2: of being reveal was cool. Uh the rundown was cool,

2471
01:53:52,600 --> 01:53:54,640
Speaker 2: Like I you know, that's not usually my thing. You know,

2472
01:53:54,680 --> 01:53:55,280
Speaker 2: I hate fun.

2473
01:53:55,760 --> 01:53:58,040
Speaker 1: I thought, would he like zipping the jacket like that?

2474
01:53:58,160 --> 01:54:01,040
Speaker 1: It was the old jersey? Yeah yeah, and that wasn't

2475
01:54:01,080 --> 01:54:02,880
Speaker 1: just an old jersey, that was a game warn jersey.

2476
01:54:02,960 --> 01:54:05,680
Speaker 2: Everything. That really the big the thing that got me

2477
01:54:05,840 --> 01:54:08,120
Speaker 2: got me. Yeah, was just like seeing him in Patriots

2478
01:54:08,160 --> 01:54:10,519
Speaker 2: gear again. Yeah, like that was like like you said,

2479
01:54:10,600 --> 01:54:12,640
Speaker 2: like he could have worn a TV twelve stuff he

2480
01:54:12,720 --> 01:54:14,840
Speaker 2: couldn't like, but he was wearing the Elvis.

2481
01:54:14,880 --> 01:54:17,559
Speaker 1: He was in Patriots gear. Uh, he was a Patriots

2482
01:54:18,080 --> 01:54:20,479
Speaker 1: but it wasn't. But it's even deeper than that. It

2483
01:54:20,520 --> 01:54:22,320
Speaker 1: wasn't like they went and got a jersey from the

2484
01:54:22,320 --> 01:54:23,880
Speaker 1: pro Shop and it was like the new dream. No

2485
01:54:24,120 --> 01:54:25,599
Speaker 1: that and I'll take you you look at the way

2486
01:54:25,640 --> 01:54:28,920
Speaker 1: the jersey's cutting. Yeah, that was a game warn jersey.

2487
01:54:29,120 --> 01:54:31,439
Speaker 2: Well it was great. All of it was great, and

2488
01:54:31,520 --> 01:54:34,640
Speaker 2: I'm glad it happened. And I'm really looking forward to

2489
01:54:34,880 --> 01:54:37,960
Speaker 2: uh six twelve twenty four, Alex and I I'm sure

2490
01:54:38,000 --> 01:54:41,040
Speaker 2: we'll be there. Oh yeah, and you might have to

2491
01:54:41,040 --> 01:54:43,440
Speaker 2: bring the tissues. You might have to. I got a

2492
01:54:43,480 --> 01:54:46,280
Speaker 2: little emotional, right, I did bring the tissues. It's gonna

2493
01:54:46,280 --> 01:54:47,120
Speaker 2: be a great time.

2494
01:54:47,480 --> 01:54:47,640
Speaker 3: Uh.

2495
01:54:47,680 --> 01:54:50,040
Speaker 2: That ticket is gonna be a hot ticket though. That's

2496
01:54:50,080 --> 01:54:52,120
Speaker 2: gonna be a tough one to get, So don't don't

2497
01:54:52,200 --> 01:54:55,040
Speaker 2: don't come side in the DMS asking for tickets.

2498
01:54:54,680 --> 01:54:56,760
Speaker 1: That Zach Bryan back to back like two weeks.

2499
01:54:56,840 --> 01:54:59,240
Speaker 2: Oh my god, Yeah, everybody's gonna be at Zach Bryan.

2500
01:54:59,280 --> 01:55:01,840
Speaker 2: That's for sure, all right. Anyways, that does it here?

2501
01:55:02,160 --> 01:55:05,560
Speaker 2: That was a full two hours, no commercials, no breaks,

2502
01:55:05,680 --> 01:55:09,200
Speaker 2: no nothing, just two hours straight of Patriots talk. We

2503
01:55:09,240 --> 01:55:11,920
Speaker 2: put morell to sleep. I love it. We'll be back

2504
01:55:12,000 --> 01:55:16,400
Speaker 2: next week for another show here on Patriots Catch twenty two.

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