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Speaker 2: Welcome to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking true

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Speaker 2: crime all the time. It's Thursday, December fourth, and yes,

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Speaker 2: we have a stacked night of headlines. Day four of

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Speaker 2: the trial of accused wife killer Brian Walsh, as the

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Speaker 2: man that his now deceased wife had an affair with

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Speaker 2: actually takes the stand and we hear a phone conversation

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Speaker 2: or at least a voice message that Brian Walsh sends

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Speaker 2: him days after Anna's disappearance. It's harrowing. Also the Luigi

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Speaker 2: pre trial. It continues and there's new information to unpack

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Speaker 2: and advancements in DNA seves yet another cult case, this

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Speaker 2: time in Colorado. Plus a Louisiana man allegedly tried to

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Speaker 2: buy a woman's ten month old baby at an auction.

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Speaker 2: Have you ever, Courtney Armstrong, heard anything like that?

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Speaker 3: One hundred percent No. And I've heard some things, and

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Speaker 3: you've heard some things.

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Speaker 4: I know you have.

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Speaker 2: By the way, I'm Stephanie Leidecker here with Courtney Armstrong,

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Speaker 2: our beloved nugget body movin isn't feeling so hot tonight.

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Speaker 2: And we hope you've had a great Thursday. As we

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Speaker 2: head into almost the weekend, everybody, how are we all

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Speaker 2: feeling good.

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Speaker 3: The holidays are upon us. They are knock knock knocking

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Speaker 3: on our doors.

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Speaker 2: Yes, cute the Christmas music and the holiday lights. And

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Speaker 2: this weekend I'm going to get mine up.

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Speaker 5: Oh are you you're going to put the lights up?

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Speaker 4: I am, I am? I am all by myself.

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Speaker 5: I love that. That's nice.

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Speaker 6: That's one of that's my favorite part of Christmas is

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Speaker 6: to see the lights when I'm driving around. But the

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Speaker 6: shopping and the wrapping of gifts and everything else I'm

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Speaker 4: But okay, you know, I think we have to all

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Speaker 2: I think it's a really appropriate thing to say to

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Speaker 2: your loved ones and friends. Hey, how don't we give

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Speaker 2: each other the gift of not giving a gift this year?

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Speaker 2: You know, just you know, let's exchange love and blessings

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Speaker 2: and like, quit it with all the buying and the

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Speaker 2: of take the fun out of it. Kids excluded, right,

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Speaker 2: But for just us regular humans that are adults, do

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Speaker 2: you know, whether it's whatever you celebrate, whether it's Hanako

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Speaker 3: Honestly, that's what I've done with my family for years.

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Speaker 3: to each other. And it's like, you know what, take

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Speaker 3: it's like true friendship in love. Honestly, it takes an

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Speaker 2: One of my older brothers and I we used to

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Speaker 2: So speaking of stressful enough, let's jump into some some

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Speaker 4: What a day? What a day in court? What a day?

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Speaker 3: So today, ind was day four in the trial of

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Speaker 4: We know this to be true.

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Speaker 2: So yet he has the calm and cool demeanor of

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Speaker 2: This is Brian Walsh, just looking to see if you've

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Speaker 2: There's no panic emotion, and again he's playing it very cool.

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Speaker 2: But knowing what we know and what he did to

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Speaker 2: do you agree absolutely?

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Speaker 3: I mean, just the capacity to maintain that much control

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Speaker 3: wife Anna. But yeah, it's unbelievable from start to finish.

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Speaker 3: But here here's a couple of the other details that

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Speaker 3: So when William Fastau, who was having an affair with

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Speaker 3: So Fastau had actually helped the victim, Anna Walsh find

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Speaker 3: housing in Washington, d C. Where she commuted for work.

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Speaker 3: So keep in mind the primary residence is Massachusetts, and

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Speaker 3: falsify art and sell it, he had to remain in

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Speaker 3: So that is what's set up the situation for the victim,

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Speaker 2: Now remember it's a pre trial, so we have been

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Speaker 2: So they played that nine to one to one call today,

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Speaker 4: And so on. Those are the miranda rights.

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Speaker 2: As exactly, anything you say, Kenan will be used against you.

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Speaker 2: So again, no one's saying now Luigi is saying he

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Speaker 4: His job is to say.

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Speaker 2: It wasn't me and to secure reasonable doubt. And I

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Speaker 2: dare I It seems impossible that jurors can unhear, or

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean, in this situation that you laid out,

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Speaker 2: He traveled to New York City knowing that there was

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Speaker 2: Also to think that here we are one year later

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Speaker 4: That's Easy's unbelievable to me. I can't believe it.

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Speaker 5: Think about it.

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Speaker 6: I was telling to ask you, do you think all

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Speaker 2: One hundred percent not because of the healthcare I will

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Speaker 4: I disagree. I think it's a combo.

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Speaker 3: I think if he didn't look like he did, which

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Speaker 4: Would they be so rabid?

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Speaker 3: No? However, I do think that in the climate of

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Speaker 2: As a vigilante that has done absolutely nothing. Again, talk

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Speaker 2: allegedly Luigi Mangione took a stand and killed a man

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Speaker 3: family and children at home.

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Speaker 6: And children that won't have a dad and so yeah,

441
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Speaker 6: I mean, yeah, that's the part.

442
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Speaker 5: That's still hard before Christmas.

443
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Speaker 8: Yeah, so well, if you want to weigh in, we're

444
00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:04,919
Speaker 8: talking about Luigi man Geo and what's going on in

445
00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:10,000
Speaker 8: his pre trial trial and what evidence can be used.

446
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:10,720
Speaker 4: So give us a call.

447
00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:13,919
Speaker 3: We're at eighty day three one crime or leave us

448
00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:16,280
Speaker 3: a talk back, and in fact, let's go to one now.

449
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Speaker 9: Hello, girlies, this is Ava from LA. I was just

450
00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:24,240
Speaker 9: listening to last night's episodes with jaredt about Luigi case.

451
00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:28,080
Speaker 9: What if juror members aren't truthful? How do they know

452
00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:30,920
Speaker 9: if they know more information about the case, Like what

453
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:34,359
Speaker 9: couldn't someone lie because they want to get him off?

454
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Speaker 9: I'm just very curious, like, how can we take people's

455
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Speaker 9: word for it?

456
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Speaker 2: Have you ever seen a scripted show The Juror, which

457
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Speaker 2: I thought, you know, I'm not going to say the

458
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Speaker 2: word diddy, but I'm dying to talk to you guys

459
00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:52,520
Speaker 2: next week about the documentary. But again, yeah, so exactly

460
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Speaker 2: to your point in La, Yeah, well, how do you

461
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Speaker 2: know that somebody is not being planted in the jury pool?

462
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:02,480
Speaker 2: I know, that somebody is just like, yeah, it's super

463
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:04,040
Speaker 2: fan that just wants to be in the mix on

464
00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:07,280
Speaker 2: a high profile case, and they lie through their teeth.

465
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Speaker 4: I mean, you don't you don't know.

466
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Speaker 3: You people have to be taken out their word. That said,

467
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Speaker 3: particularly in high profile cases, not only are there you know,

468
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Speaker 3: very well versed attorneys, and particularly because federally, I'm fairly

469
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Speaker 3: certain that death penalty is still on the table if

470
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Speaker 3: I'm not mistaken, so.

471
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Speaker 4: That federally it is.

472
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Speaker 2: But I think that's the things that they're itching at

473
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:37,760
Speaker 2: getting off the table at some point before it actually

474
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Speaker 2: goes to trial. So in this pre trial event, which

475
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:44,359
Speaker 2: is what we're seeing, you know, they're they're likely going

476
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:47,480
Speaker 2: to have about thirty witnesses in total. Think about that

477
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Speaker 2: thirty witnesses at a pre trial.

478
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Speaker 4: We saw this a little bit.

479
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:52,760
Speaker 5: In the O. J.

480
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Speaker 4: Simpson case.

481
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Speaker 2: Not to harken back obviously OJ Simpson infamously getting off

482
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Speaker 2: for the alleged murder of his then ex wife, Nicole Brown.

483
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:05,720
Speaker 2: But what's uniquely similar from that case to this one

484
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:09,120
Speaker 2: is the amount of evidence in the OJ case that

485
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:12,120
Speaker 2: the jurors who were sequestered.

486
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:13,760
Speaker 4: Did not have the benefit of seeing.

487
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:16,520
Speaker 2: There was blood evidence, there was, there was some real

488
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:22,080
Speaker 2: stuff that Absent that information, jurors were a little bit

489
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:24,679
Speaker 2: in a vacuum. You know, even the general public in

490
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:28,000
Speaker 2: the media was sharing information that the jurors, because they

491
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:32,160
Speaker 2: were sequestered, didn't know. And you know, some say that's

492
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Speaker 2: why OJ ultimately got off.

493
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Speaker 4: We'll never know.

494
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 2: Now, fast forward to modern times, we're in Luigi Land,

495
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:43,760
Speaker 2: and the idea that certain key pieces of information like

496
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:49,600
Speaker 2: motive and the weapon could be removed from the jurors perview,

497
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:53,680
Speaker 2: that's pretty shocking. And yeah, it's pretty hard to convict

498
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:56,280
Speaker 2: a man on a death penalty charge when you don't

499
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Speaker 2: have the weapon and you don't have a motive.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, but I just I wanted to finish my thought

501
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:05,360
Speaker 3: on to answer the talkback. Is just with this high

502
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:09,440
Speaker 3: profile case, there are going to be really seasoned attorneys

503
00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:13,960
Speaker 3: who have been are used to doing Voader over and

504
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:17,919
Speaker 3: over and looking and asking questions. And in addition to

505
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:23,320
Speaker 3: attorneys on both sides, very likely there will be juror

506
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Speaker 3: consultants as well.

507
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,000
Speaker 4: Guaranteed they'll be duror consultants.

508
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:30,159
Speaker 3: So there's ways to mitigate the risk and to try

509
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Speaker 3: and see through if someone does try and lie, but

510
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Speaker 3: otherwise you can't.

511
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:36,800
Speaker 2: And just in case you're not sure, what are juror

512
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:40,479
Speaker 2: consultant days is, It's actually exactly what it sounds like.

513
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:44,040
Speaker 2: It's somebody who's hired to be present for jury selection

514
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:48,680
Speaker 2: on either the defensive side or the prosecutor side, and

515
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:53,080
Speaker 2: they are looking for micro expressions. They can read people's

516
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:56,560
Speaker 2: body language, how they're answering. Do they seem as that

517
00:28:56,600 --> 00:29:00,560
Speaker 2: they're actually asking things or answering in a truth manner?

518
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:04,920
Speaker 2: Are they masking other things? And sometimes they do a

519
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 2: deep dive even into their personal backgrounds, et cetera, to

520
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:12,480
Speaker 2: see if they would be influenced in a certain way

521
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:15,600
Speaker 2: to make a certain decision when it comes to voting

522
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Speaker 2: in the end.

523
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Speaker 5: Oh, that's interesting, I didn't I guess.

524
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a real job. It's a very sophisticated day. Sure, yeah,

525
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:25,480
Speaker 4: it's an expense.

526
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Speaker 2: I think it's somebody who's paid a lot of money

527
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:32,720
Speaker 2: to be able to Sometimes they have like XCIA agents

528
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:36,680
Speaker 2: or people who were used to studying actual body language

529
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 2: and what person is Ooh, I'm not sure they're being

530
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 2: super truthful about their background. Maybe they had some layer

531
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Speaker 2: of abuse or maybe they suffered from poverty because their

532
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:51,239
Speaker 2: parent was sick. If you're on the defensive side, you

533
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 2: want somebody in your jury pool that had a bad

534
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:58,080
Speaker 2: issue or was affected in some way negatively by the

535
00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 2: insurance companies. That's what you're looking for, right, and the

536
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 2: prosecutors are looking for somebody who's quite the opposite. So

537
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:11,120
Speaker 2: it's a real, real orchestra to you know somebody's conducting

538
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 2: that orchestra, which is essentially called jury selection.

539
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Speaker 5: That's fascinating. I did not that's well.

540
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:25,320
Speaker 3: And it's like yesterday when Jarrett Farentino, our expert legal prosecutor,

541
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Speaker 3: he said, you know, you don't just need to You

542
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:28,600
Speaker 3: can know the law, but it's better to.

543
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:31,960
Speaker 4: Know the judge who's his joke, and more so to

544
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:33,280
Speaker 4: know the jury.

545
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Speaker 3: And know the lay of the land of whom you're

546
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Speaker 3: speaking about.

547
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Speaker 4: It's all important.

548
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:40,880
Speaker 3: One last thing I thought was interesting that came out

549
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:45,240
Speaker 3: today was when it came time for Qus killer man

550
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:48,959
Speaker 3: Gione to give his home address just to identify himself

551
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:54,480
Speaker 3: in this McDonald's in Pennsylvania. He gave his mother's Maryland address,

552
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 3: which would have been his childhood home. And it just

553
00:30:57,560 --> 00:30:59,600
Speaker 3: makes me think that some time we should do a

554
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:02,720
Speaker 3: lay the land of what man geone was up to

555
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 3: in the months and years preceding this, just as a

556
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:08,480
Speaker 3: refresher since it's been today.

557
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:10,480
Speaker 5: I'd love that. Okay, yeah, we will.

558
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:14,360
Speaker 6: It's a little complicated, it is, and even I think

559
00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:17,200
Speaker 6: didn't even have a bus ticket from Philly to like

560
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 6: just I want to understand exactly all the various locations

561
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 6: and where he was.

562
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:22,480
Speaker 5: So yeah, we'll lay something out and put it together

563
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 5: because I like that.

564
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 3: And yes, a Greyhound ticket was involved, and we will

565
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:29,240
Speaker 3: follow that up at another time.

566
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:31,280
Speaker 2: But listen, and we want to hear from you, so

567
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:33,680
Speaker 2: send us your talkbacks. In fact, we'll go to one

568
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 2: right now.

569
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Speaker 9: Hey, y'all, I am way behind. I'm listening.

570
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:40,680
Speaker 10: I'm still on the episode of Luigian Court in your

571
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 10: discussion about the Didty Dog, which I'm dying to see

572
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:44,560
Speaker 10: and I cannot wait.

573
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 7: Oh my goodness, it's going to be amazing.

574
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 10: But when you were talking about phrases that you all say,

575
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:53,479
Speaker 10: like little bit, which I love, my favorite saying that

576
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 10: you say, and please don't think that I am judging

577
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:59,360
Speaker 10: because I love it so much. Is by the way, Okay,

578
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:00,000
Speaker 10: period is the end.

579
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Speaker 3: I know.

580
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Speaker 2: The problem is once I hear it, i'd ever say

581
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:08,600
Speaker 2: it again because I get so self conscious.

582
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Speaker 6: But it's just wait, is she saying by the way

583
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 6: that we say by the way.

584
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 2: I think we do say by the way a lot.

585
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 2: I think we picked it up from each other. And

586
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 2: I don't know who's the who is ground zero on

587
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 2: the by the ways, but we're by the ways for sure.

588
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 2: Joseph Scott Morgan and I say to each other by

589
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Speaker 2: the bye. It's a very thing, but we say and

590
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 2: by the way a lot.

591
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:35,120
Speaker 4: I love it.

592
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 11: If you hear Stephanie or anyone jumping in with by

593
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 11: the way, I feel like that usually means you're on fire,

594
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:43,240
Speaker 11: and like there's yeah, you're about to do my job

595
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:43,719
Speaker 11: after that.

596
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Speaker 3: Although curious, you know who is the sore of the

597
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:52,480
Speaker 3: by the way since you listen, or are we all equals?

598
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:53,320
Speaker 5: Who started it?

599
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:56,040
Speaker 11: I feel like, uh, that feels like a Stephanie is

600
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Speaker 11: to me?

601
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 3: And by the way, yes, yes, it's yes.

602
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 2: Over get contagiously, Well, it's contagious. We all sort of

603
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:12,200
Speaker 2: pick up each other's sayings each time. So that's a

604
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:15,320
Speaker 2: very sweet comment. Thank you for listening, Thank you for sharing.

605
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:18,480
Speaker 2: I cannot wait to discuss the didy do with you,

606
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:21,640
Speaker 2: So you better call in next week because I'm waiting

607
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 2: for these guys. I mean, can you talk about in

608
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:27,800
Speaker 2: the studio here? I can't get anybody to watch. Everyone's

609
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:29,000
Speaker 2: doing it in small doses.

610
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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's We've been chatting a little bit about it.

611
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Speaker 6: I don't want to go into it too much, but

612
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:38,160
Speaker 6: it's it's very well done. It's stylized, and I think

613
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Speaker 6: it's for me. It's the music. I'm like, oh so

614
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:42,960
Speaker 6: good a doc with music that I can actually sing

615
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 6: along and tap my toes to, as opposed to some

616
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:46,240
Speaker 6: like harmonica or something playing.

617
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Speaker 5: But this is really like.

618
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Speaker 6: It's it's it's good and it's shot well, and I

619
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Speaker 6: just can't get past even the beginning, like how, how

620
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Speaker 6: and why would you allow people to film you at

621
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Speaker 6: this horrible, vulnerable moment in life.

622
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Speaker 3: It's fantastically wonderful to me everything about us that you

623
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 3: are sitting there saying we need someone who deals with

624
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:10,280
Speaker 3: the dirtiest of the dirtiest of the dirt talking about

625
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:14,040
Speaker 3: himself to his lawyer with a camera that he asked

626
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:17,120
Speaker 3: to be there, and his son's sitting there right there.

627
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Speaker 2: Too, And this is not somebody who's trying to put

628
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 2: his best foot forward in front of his family.

629
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Speaker 4: He's in New York City.

630
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:26,520
Speaker 2: He's obviously about to you know, him saying I'm waiting

631
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 2: for the shoe to drop. If ever there was a

632
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 2: statement out loud, I just I can't wait to discuss it.

633
00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:34,960
Speaker 2: I think when I say this rarely because sometimes I

634
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:37,759
Speaker 2: think and listen. I make documentaries, so I say this

635
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 2: with true love. Sometimes they can be a little boring.

636
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:45,920
Speaker 2: Sometimes it can be a little heavy handed of an opinion,

637
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 2: like you can kind of see like the point that

638
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:51,240
Speaker 2: is trying to be proven, and I think the goal

639
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:55,200
Speaker 2: is to remain as indifferent as possible or as neutral

640
00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:57,799
Speaker 2: I should say, not indifferent and neutral as possible, right,

641
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:02,480
Speaker 2: show all sides. We take that so seriously. So of course,

642
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 2: when Fitty Sens was like, I have a dog and

643
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 2: we know there's beef between, you know, the two, I

644
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:11,760
Speaker 2: assumed it would be a little heavy handed in terms

645
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Speaker 2: of it being sort of a sleigh piece, which it is.

646
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Speaker 4: But I think it's excellent.

647
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Speaker 6: Yeah, the array of characters, like I mean from his

648
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:25,279
Speaker 6: childhood to people in the music industry to jurors like

649
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 6: it's they picked some good people to interview, so it works.

650
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 3: And solid, solid people, people with real and intimate knowledge. Because, yes,

651
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Speaker 3: if it was going to be sort of an over

652
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Speaker 3: the top, you know, slam piece, it.

653
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:41,239
Speaker 4: Could have been.

654
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:44,479
Speaker 3: You could have lined the streets with people who wanted

655
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 3: to sit there and ramp against city. But it seemed

656
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 3: like everybody who was speaking was sort of dealing with

657
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Speaker 3: their own confused, complicated, rather emotions.

658
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it really wasn't until years later that anybody

659
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Speaker 2: has the confidence to really talk about it. Aubry O Day,

660
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:05,319
Speaker 2: for example, Capricorn Clark, who we've talked about so much

661
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 2: when she was taking the witness stand at the time.

662
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:10,400
Speaker 2: There actually are jurors who give their perspective.

663
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 4: One of them, I think, speaks.

664
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:16,759
Speaker 2: So clearly about their lack of understanding of what the

665
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 2: cycle of trauma and abuse actually is.

666
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 4: It does some really elegant things. I think it ti.

667
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:23,960
Speaker 4: I think it really shows grooming.

668
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:27,960
Speaker 2: I really think it shows how celebrity and power can

669
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:31,839
Speaker 2: suck a person in, a regular like you know, pedestrian

670
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:33,120
Speaker 2: person like myself.

671
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:35,399
Speaker 4: You could get sucked in, so.

672
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 2: You know you're in over your head and you're like, well,

673
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:40,319
Speaker 2: I can't get out of this. I'm too deep. Who's

674
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 2: gonna believe me. By the way the answers nobody. That

675
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:46,440
Speaker 2: is very true. And I can't wait till you get

676
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:47,400
Speaker 2: to the Biggie funeral.

677
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 4: I there's so many things that we have to discuss.

678
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:51,080
Speaker 4: I won't talk about.

679
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:52,239
Speaker 5: It any longer. We'll go too far.

680
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 2: But it's on if you have no it's on Netflix,

681
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:58,920
Speaker 2: I should say. Apparently Fitty is already doing a second

682
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:00,360
Speaker 2: documentary to Wow.

683
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 6: Well, yeah, it's it's there's a lot of talk about

684
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 6: it everyone on social media, so it's huge.

685
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:08,799
Speaker 5: It's it's a big one. So we'll keep following up

686
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 5: on that one.

687
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:12,720
Speaker 4: But oh yeah, did please? Yeah, one last scuttle.

688
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 2: But what I thought was interesting because you know, we've

689
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 2: been talking about this documentary for a really long time

690
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:18,439
Speaker 2: that we knew it was getting made.

691
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:19,800
Speaker 4: Others were getting made.

692
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:22,880
Speaker 2: I know Peacock did one as well, but this ditty

693
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:25,239
Speaker 2: one everybody was secretly waiting for, and it seemed like

694
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 2: it wasn't going to happen, and it certainly wasn't going

695
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:32,239
Speaker 2: to happen before the trial happened, and some were like, well,

696
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 2: I guess it's not going to be that good, because

697
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:35,480
Speaker 2: if it was really good, they would have put it

698
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:38,720
Speaker 2: out before the trial actually happened or during the trial.

699
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:42,440
Speaker 2: But you know what, I think it's so smart and

700
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 2: elegant that they didn't. They waited until Diddy got his sentencing.

701
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:51,360
Speaker 2: Let the court of law do its thing, let justice

702
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:55,279
Speaker 2: take its role, and here you go, here's a little

703
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:55,920
Speaker 2: bit of background.

704
00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 5: But do you also think it's.

705
00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:59,839
Speaker 2: A little illegal, reason like, well, yeah, because you don't

706
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 2: want to affect a jury pool, by the way, you don't,

707
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:05,040
Speaker 2: you know, that's something that we take very seriously as well.

708
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:07,920
Speaker 2: The idea is not to influence a jury pool. That

709
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:11,080
Speaker 2: could be very dangerous. That also could make certain key

710
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 2: and pieces of information that you're covering in your documentary.

711
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:18,200
Speaker 2: It could like cause a problem where the defense or

712
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:21,239
Speaker 2: the prosecution could say, we have to eliminate stuff from

713
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:23,520
Speaker 2: the you know, the trial because it was discussed in

714
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 2: this documentary. It could tamper, which is like the worst

715
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:28,879
Speaker 2: and the last thing you would want to do as

716
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:32,759
Speaker 2: a documentarian. So that's why legal you know, things that

717
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:35,319
Speaker 2: are like the dateline leak and the Brian Coburger case

718
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:37,439
Speaker 2: for example, some of that stuff was really a big

719
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:40,240
Speaker 2: deal because it was going to affect a jury pool

720
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:44,920
Speaker 2: who couldn't unsee what has now been released publicly very

721
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:47,759
Speaker 2: important in this case. I think they waited for the

722
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:49,799
Speaker 2: perfect amount of time, just when the dust settled a

723
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 2: little bit.

724
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 4: Did He's like.

725
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 2: Now in his for you know, forever home for the

726
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 2: next fifty months. All it will say for me personally

727
00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:00,399
Speaker 2: is because I was a big Diddy fan, I really

728
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 2: jumped into the jail point.

729
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:05,480
Speaker 4: I remember it real time. I loved him on stage

730
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:09,799
Speaker 4: with Sting. Now I feel so nob you can't. But

731
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 4: all that to be said, it.

732
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:13,000
Speaker 2: Just shows that the public persda could be very different

733
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:14,840
Speaker 2: from what is happening behind the scenes.

734
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:18,959
Speaker 4: And enough is enough. Fifty months seems like a cake walk.

735
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:21,800
Speaker 6: Well, I, like I said, I'm going to be watching

736
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:26,319
Speaker 6: it and we'll discuss it. And if you are watching it,

737
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 6: leave us a talk back and tell us what you

738
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:31,040
Speaker 6: think about it, because we're going to be digging into this,

739
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:32,959
Speaker 6: I feel like for the next couple of weeks because

740
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 6: we can't seem to shake it. But right now we're

741
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 6: digging into all of our fun talk back. So, Adam,

742
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:40,719
Speaker 6: do you have another one for us to get too?

743
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:44,880
Speaker 12: Hi to Cromp tonight, this is Riley. I am calling

744
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:48,440
Speaker 12: in about the missing football coach from Virginia. So I

745
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:50,399
Speaker 12: only live about an hour and a half from Big

746
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:53,279
Speaker 12: Stone Gap, And as you can imagine, this is just

747
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:54,799
Speaker 12: all the talk of our small.

748
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:55,279
Speaker 4: Town right now.

749
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:58,520
Speaker 13: Crazy enough, my uncle actually went to high school with

750
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:01,960
Speaker 13: the missing football coach and it's just really hit home

751
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:04,600
Speaker 13: for him and a lot of people. Just a horrible

752
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 13: tale and I'm really interested to see what happens. Have

753
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:08,279
Speaker 13: a good night, guy.

754
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:14,319
Speaker 6: Oh, other people who don't know.

755
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:19,239
Speaker 5: Riley was our intern who worked with us, and she is.

756
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 6: She's such a She was such a joy and just

757
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 6: as sharp as attack like. She was so smart. She

758
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:27,239
Speaker 6: would geld you know, she did everything so quickly. And

759
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 6: she's still yeah, she still is. But miss working with her.

760
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:34,400
Speaker 6: But how horrible that that's happening right where she lives.

761
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 6: And I can imagine because I think they said it

762
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:39,440
Speaker 6: was like a small area, like only like five thousand people,

763
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:43,360
Speaker 6: So I'm sure everybody in some way is probably connected

764
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:43,960
Speaker 6: with this man.

765
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:47,319
Speaker 5: And it's the dark shadow over that area. Must be

766
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:48,439
Speaker 5: horrendous right now.

767
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Speaker 3: Absolutely, And if people are not familiar with this case,

768
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:58,200
Speaker 3: Travis Turner, he's a high school football coach who's gone

769
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:03,279
Speaker 3: missing and his family in a very small town in

770
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:06,319
Speaker 3: Virginia is urging him to come home. But for him

771
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:08,360
Speaker 3: to come home, he's going to have to face child

772
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:14,040
Speaker 3: pornography charges as well as charges of trying to illicit communication.

773
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:16,800
Speaker 4: What's the phrase I'm looking for.

774
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:18,719
Speaker 5: It's basically solicitation.

775
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 4: Solicitation, that's right.

776
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:26,320
Speaker 3: So, according to the Travis Turner family's attorney, Adrian Collins,

777
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:31,560
Speaker 3: they are cooperating with law enforcement completely. Multiple searches of

778
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 3: their properties have been allowed and undertaken, and the forty

779
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:40,799
Speaker 3: six year old high school football coach was last seen

780
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:43,280
Speaker 3: walking into woods nearby his house.

781
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 4: He was carrying a gun.

782
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:50,080
Speaker 3: However, he left behind his keys, his car, his wallet,

783
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:56,879
Speaker 3: his glasses, hash essential medications, so you don't leave all

784
00:41:56,920 --> 00:42:02,719
Speaker 3: those things back home easily. So there's immediate concern for

785
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:08,440
Speaker 3: his safety. The marshals are continuing their search and he

786
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:11,880
Speaker 3: is a fugitive and again considered armed.

787
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 5: Som wow, that's yeah.

788
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 6: I don't I don't see this ending in any other

789
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 6: way but him not being alive, but that's just I

790
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:25,839
Speaker 6: don't know, Maybe that's an awful thing.

791
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:29,279
Speaker 4: He has no medication and went out in a.

792
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:35,720
Speaker 3: Sweatsuit, So yeah, unless someone and there's been online chatter,

793
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:39,839
Speaker 3: which is nothing more, nothing less than online chatter that

794
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:45,400
Speaker 3: you know, unless unless someone has is helping Travis Turner,

795
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:48,880
Speaker 3: and the allegations are potentially there's someone is helping him,

796
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:53,320
Speaker 3: but without all the things that I just listed.

797
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:55,799
Speaker 5: And without the medication, without.

798
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:58,359
Speaker 3: The medication, you know, unless it couldn't have been really

799
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 3: pre planned. Travis Turner went missing back on the twentieth

800
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 3: of November, right before police were coming to interview him,

801
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:12,759
Speaker 3: not to arrest him or even press charges for the

802
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:15,799
Speaker 3: child pornography, but to speak with him. He appeared to

803
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 3: have been tipped off in some capacity and again then

804
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:22,160
Speaker 3: just walked out with nothing but a gun into the woods.

805
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 3: So they never actually spoke to him, that is my understanding. Yeah,

806
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:30,440
Speaker 3: that's what's being reported. They did not. They were I

807
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 3: don't know that they were necessarily like speeding down the

808
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:35,920
Speaker 3: road on their way, but they were slated. Officers are

809
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:39,280
Speaker 3: slated to be at his house on the twentieth, and

810
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:44,200
Speaker 3: Travis Turner was gone, and there hasn't been.

811
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 2: Any real indication of who the miner was that's being

812
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:52,279
Speaker 2: associated with these allegations. You know, the ideas that he

813
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:56,760
Speaker 2: had child pornography on his laptop or on his computer.

814
00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:00,319
Speaker 2: There was multiple charges of that, and that there was

815
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:03,800
Speaker 2: some sort of an inappropriate relationship with a with a minor.

816
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 2: We don't know if that was a student or somebody

817
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:10,320
Speaker 2: who knew locally, or you know, God forbid, a family member.

818
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:12,720
Speaker 2: But what an upset and what a fall from grace.

819
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 2: It's just again an amazing thing that somebody can be

820
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 2: forward facing in such a positive way and at the

821
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:22,520
Speaker 2: same time be up to something so terrible.

822
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:25,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, and I just all I think about is that

823
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:27,040
Speaker 5: chilled the.

824
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:31,400
Speaker 6: Family and his children, and yeah, that's it's a heartbreaking,

825
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:33,839
Speaker 6: but well we'll keep following that one.

826
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:36,480
Speaker 2: And at the holidays, you know, there just must be

827
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:40,279
Speaker 2: so upside down in that household. And his wife was

828
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:43,279
Speaker 2: really urging for him to return home and that they

829
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:46,839
Speaker 2: loved him, and she has, you know, been very clear

830
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:49,040
Speaker 2: that she does not believe any of these allegations to

831
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 2: be true.

832
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 4: And perhaps she's right.

833
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:56,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, correct, I mean, there's yeah, they're they're allegations. And

834
00:44:56,600 --> 00:45:01,640
Speaker 3: you're also correct that neither police nor school officials have

835
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:05,319
Speaker 3: disclosed any information whether any of the alleged victims are

836
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:09,440
Speaker 3: connected with Union High School, where Travis Turner both coached

837
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:10,720
Speaker 3: and was a gym teacher.

838
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:16,719
Speaker 4: M wow, wow, I like the talkback to keep something.

839
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:18,239
Speaker 4: He's coming. And again we actually have.

840
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:20,880
Speaker 2: Damon Epps too, who's going to be sharing some wacky

841
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:23,720
Speaker 2: news with us, some wacky criminal news.

842
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 4: So we'll be in the next hour.

843
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:28,880
Speaker 2: As at times sometimes a criminal thinks they are so smart,

844
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:31,920
Speaker 2: but they're really not shocking.

845
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:36,600
Speaker 4: Hashtag so surprised, so we'll be.

846
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:40,040
Speaker 2: We'll be hearing some more off the beat crimes as well,

847
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:44,400
Speaker 2: and also about this DNA that has solved yet another

848
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:46,919
Speaker 2: cold case in Colorado this time.

849
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:54,799
Speaker 3: Yeah uh and in non crime news. Since I had

850
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:56,799
Speaker 3: we only have a couple of seconds left. I had

851
00:45:56,840 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 3: never heard the word scuttle butt. When you guys started

852
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:02,319
Speaker 3: using it, I found it so charming and I looked

853
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:04,799
Speaker 3: it up. Does anyone in the universe care?

854
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:06,799
Speaker 5: Where I look it up?

855
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:10,719
Speaker 4: It is okay, it's a body word. I love it.

856
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:13,719
Speaker 3: It's about I do too, And basically it was, Yeah,

857
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:16,640
Speaker 3: it's an old timey water cooler. Basically, if you were

858
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:19,640
Speaker 3: on a ship and working, it would be the scuttle

859
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:22,680
Speaker 3: butt was the thing everyone literally went to have their

860
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:23,760
Speaker 3: water water.

861
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:28,400
Speaker 4: So, yeah, cooler chat exactly.

862
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:30,320
Speaker 5: Like I guess old time boats.

863
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:33,240
Speaker 6: Yes, just like the sailors would sit around the scuttle button,

864
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:34,840
Speaker 6: drink the water and got it.

865
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:37,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, so was there what anyway? So that's the scuttle

866
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:37,640
Speaker 4: butt on that.

867
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:39,400
Speaker 2: All right, Well listen, we're going to be scuttle button

868
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:41,439
Speaker 2: more in the next hour, so make sure you stay

869
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:41,799
Speaker 2: with us.

870
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:44,560
Speaker 4: We have this and much much more, lots of crime

871
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:45,799
Speaker 4: to discuss. Stay with us.

872
00:46:57,160 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 2: Welcome back to your crime tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking

873
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:03,360
Speaker 2: true crime all the time. I'm Stephanie Leidecker here with

874
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:08,280
Speaker 2: Courtney Armstrong and Taha. How's our producer who's jumping into

875
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:11,080
Speaker 2: the hot seat because our body is not feeling too

876
00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:13,759
Speaker 2: well tonight, So body feel better and we will try

877
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:14,680
Speaker 2: to hold down the.

878
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:15,520
Speaker 4: Fort without you.

879
00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:18,040
Speaker 2: We are we were I was going to say, we

880
00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:21,920
Speaker 2: were going to talk about the forensics about Luigi Mangione's

881
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:25,600
Speaker 2: ghost gun and sort of some of the casings and

882
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:29,320
Speaker 2: things involved with you know, tracing some of the evidence

883
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:32,640
Speaker 2: attached to a three D gun is so interesting, So

884
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:34,760
Speaker 2: we were planning on doing that tonight, and then Body

885
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:37,000
Speaker 2: had done so much research and she made an Excel

886
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:39,799
Speaker 2: doc and when we found out she wasn't feeling well,

887
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:43,160
Speaker 2: her first reaction was, oh, no, no, So we're not

888
00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:45,160
Speaker 2: going to cover it tonight. It felt as though that

889
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:48,520
Speaker 2: was just straight mean. So we're going to push that

890
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:50,840
Speaker 2: to next week and we'll cover it maybe on Monday

891
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:53,480
Speaker 2: or Tuesday, so that body will be all rested and

892
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:56,400
Speaker 2: back with us. So in the meantime, there's plenty of

893
00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:58,600
Speaker 2: other things to get to. By the way, if you've

894
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:00,800
Speaker 2: missed any of the show, please do not stress. You

895
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:03,960
Speaker 2: could always catch us after as a podcast, so you

896
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:07,200
Speaker 2: could play all the catchup you want, and you can

897
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:09,400
Speaker 2: always leave us a talkback or hit us up on

898
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:12,440
Speaker 2: our socials. Courtney, you have been in a world of

899
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:15,800
Speaker 2: in cells. We've been in the world of dark webbing

900
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:18,279
Speaker 2: for a while now, and if you haven't listened to

901
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:22,920
Speaker 2: the in Cell's podcast, please do also on the iHeartRadio app.

902
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:26,960
Speaker 2: And yet another story that feeds right into this, Courtney.

903
00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:31,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, the tentacles are far and wide. This was new

904
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:32,319
Speaker 4: to me.

905
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:37,479
Speaker 3: Today, federal prosecutors unsealed an indictment that charges five men

906
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 3: for running what's called Gregy's Cult. Now, Gregy's Cult is

907
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:47,719
Speaker 3: an online child exploitation and sex stortion group. So that exists,

908
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:52,680
Speaker 3: and that has inspired the global extremist network seven six four.

909
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:55,560
Speaker 4: Which we covered a couple of weeks ago.

910
00:48:55,880 --> 00:49:00,439
Speaker 3: So regarding Gregy's cult in the federal indictment arrest carried

911
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:05,120
Speaker 3: out nationwide and over the course of about a year

912
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:09,960
Speaker 3: January twentieth, say it's January twenty twenty one. Gregy's cult

913
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:12,919
Speaker 3: use discord, which is where you can go and chat

914
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:16,920
Speaker 3: for many reasons, including innocuous ones like recipe sharing and work.

915
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:21,720
Speaker 3: So Gregy's cult use discord and gaming platforms to course

916
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:25,880
Speaker 3: minors as well as adults. They course them into sexual acts,

917
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:30,799
Speaker 3: into self harm and other degrading behaviors. That is an

918
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:35,120
Speaker 3: important part is the degradation, and these behaviors were then

919
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:39,920
Speaker 3: recorded and distributed online as a way to blackmail and

920
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:45,120
Speaker 3: humiliate these victims. The group has overlapped with members of

921
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:49,600
Speaker 3: the seven six' four, group which we've, covered which again

922
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:53,520
Speaker 3: is an extremist network that's evolved into a global. Ideology

923
00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:59,000
Speaker 3: it's inspiring offshoots as we, speak and these groups recruit and,

924
00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:04,319
Speaker 3: manipulate blackmail vulnerable youth really for uh.

925
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:08,719
Speaker 6: Sport i'm saying that the fact that they're just doing

926
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:12,120
Speaker 6: it for, sport and you know it's there's not even

927
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:14,440
Speaker 6: a financial, gain which is insane to.

928
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:15,800
Speaker 5: Me but what a bunch of.

929
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:18,600
Speaker 4: Bullies what a bunch of. Bullies and the idea is

930
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:19,520
Speaker 4: that this whole.

931
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:26,319
Speaker 2: Group of you, know online dark, predators is that they're

932
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:31,040
Speaker 2: seeking out young, people specifically young, MEN i, believe and you,

933
00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:34,440
Speaker 2: know in order to it's almost like a hazing process

934
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:38,799
Speaker 2: or some sort of an inauguration. Process they basically hit

935
00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:41,040
Speaker 2: you up and, say, Ooh i'm watching what you're doing.

936
00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:43,880
Speaker 2: ONLINE i bet you your mom won't want to know,

937
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:47,719
Speaker 2: that Or, hey welcome to our, cult and in order

938
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:50,520
Speaker 2: to really show your, allegiance we're going to ask you

939
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:53,839
Speaker 2: to do something a little. Inappropriate, Okay so in terms

940
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:55,920
Speaker 2: of what you're talking, about sort of a hazing and

941
00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:59,839
Speaker 2: stuff to become a, higher more powerful, member what it would,

942
00:50:59,880 --> 00:51:03,080
Speaker 2: be let's just SAY i want to be In gregy's, Cult,

943
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:06,640
Speaker 2: okay THEN i would consider myself a perpetrator and for

944
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:10,919
Speaker 2: me to have clout in the, group my collateral would

945
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:13,960
Speaker 2: be SOMETHING i have sucked victims into doing THAT i

946
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:19,800
Speaker 2: have manipulated. Them so likely from the victim's, perspective things

947
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:24,239
Speaker 2: start as a grooming. Process it starts, with, hey we're

948
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:27,680
Speaker 2: playing roeblocks, together or whatever it may. Be and it

949
00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:32,000
Speaker 2: starts with you're a smart, kid or it starts generally.

950
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:37,520
Speaker 2: Friendly it then leads into coercive behavior that you know as.

951
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:40,520
Speaker 2: Grooming as we've spoken about so many, times you can

952
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:44,200
Speaker 2: be tricked and manipulated into doing things that you normally wouldn't.

953
00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:48,720
Speaker 2: Do and these members really take it to the highest

954
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:53,319
Speaker 2: of high not just child pornography and. Exploitation they do

955
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:57,920
Speaker 2: things called fan signing, rituals which this is also in

956
00:51:58,040 --> 00:52:02,319
Speaker 2: the seven six four, group and signing rituals it's so,

957
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:08,280
Speaker 2: horrible is a way of getting victims to literally carve

958
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:14,960
Speaker 2: the names or aliases of the perpetrating cult members onto their.

959
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:16,200
Speaker 5: Bodies Oh.

960
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:20,600
Speaker 3: God and then there are photos and videos taken that

961
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:25,200
Speaker 3: then is used to blackmail these victims into doing more, things,

962
00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:29,160
Speaker 3: because as you, Said, stephanie then it becomes And i'll

963
00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:32,600
Speaker 3: show your, mother And i'll spread this at, school And

964
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:37,000
Speaker 3: i'll you, know do any innumerable, things and then it

965
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:39,200
Speaker 3: escalates this it's it's really it's.

966
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:42,560
Speaker 4: Torture, wow it's, sadism and it's.

967
00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:46,319
Speaker 3: Growing it is convincing children as unthinkable as it is

968
00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:52,200
Speaker 3: to kill or harm family, pets to sexually abuse other

969
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:54,560
Speaker 3: MINERS i know this is all really hard to, hear

970
00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:58,919
Speaker 3: but it's really important to know that it exists and

971
00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:03,120
Speaker 3: is now being you, know prosecuted as a, cult which is.

972
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:06,640
Speaker 2: GROWING i, mean obviously even just having these indictments is

973
00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:08,480
Speaker 2: a pretty big deal BECAUSE i think part of the

974
00:53:08,520 --> 00:53:11,719
Speaker 2: things that we learned in in cells and in groups

975
00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:14,720
Speaker 2: like seven sixty, four which is another online hate group

976
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:19,080
Speaker 2: or extremist. Group what the problem Is online it's really

977
00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:23,680
Speaker 2: hard to track for, authorities right you're looking for these lone.

978
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:27,160
Speaker 2: Wolfs there are people who have these small groupings in

979
00:53:27,239 --> 00:53:30,919
Speaker 2: the Dark web or on, discord this particular platform where

980
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:33,560
Speaker 2: it's kind of hard to track. People so you're seeing

981
00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:37,520
Speaker 2: small groups and therefore these small groups can really slip

982
00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:40,920
Speaker 2: through the, cracks and sometimes those cracks could be your.

983
00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:45,720
Speaker 2: Kid and they are targeting young adults right Specifically, courtney.

984
00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:48,879
Speaker 3: It's largely young, adults and not for seven six four

985
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:54,600
Speaker 3: it's been largely yes miners or vulnerable. Adults, However greggy's,

986
00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:58,239
Speaker 3: cult which is the indictment that you, know just sort of.

987
00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:02,600
Speaker 3: Broke they all also would use malware and threats in

988
00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:08,759
Speaker 3: attempts to frame adults as pedophiles to gain leverage.

989
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:09,560
Speaker 4: And again what a way to.

990
00:54:09,719 --> 00:54:14,400
Speaker 3: Manipulate so that was in The gregy's cult had some

991
00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:19,480
Speaker 3: adult you, know, framing and the seven sixty, four which

992
00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:23,160
Speaker 3: has grown out of it that much more largely is.

993
00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:29,440
Speaker 3: Miners and according to court, documents the founder of the

994
00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:33,840
Speaker 3: more current seven sixty four network he told the Founder Bradley,

995
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:37,319
Speaker 3: cayden had told a clinical psychologist that he wanted to

996
00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:43,400
Speaker 3: Emulate gregy's cult because it received media attention for forcing

997
00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:47,839
Speaker 3: victims into this self. Harm but his intention was to

998
00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:51,240
Speaker 3: make seven sixty four what he called a whole different

999
00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:56,799
Speaker 3: level of. Abuse so wanting to literally update these.

1000
00:54:56,800 --> 00:55:01,279
Speaker 2: PEOPLE i, know like you, leave that this happens, right

1001
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:04,759
Speaker 2: or that these they all have parents good or. BAD

1002
00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:06,520
Speaker 2: i have to believe in my heart that they know.

1003
00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:09,600
Speaker 2: Better in The gregy's, cult they're not all young. People

1004
00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:10,719
Speaker 2: these were like adun't know.

1005
00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:14,959
Speaker 3: CORRECT i, think, yeah, Correct they're All they're absolutely all.

1006
00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:17,239
Speaker 4: Grown the men were taken from the.

1007
00:55:17,239 --> 00:55:22,359
Speaker 3: Defendants they were From New, York New, Mexico, Hawaii, california And.

1008
00:55:22,520 --> 00:55:26,279
Speaker 3: Colorado all five were arrested and will be arraigned in

1009
00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:27,799
Speaker 3: The Eastern district Of New.

1010
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:30,640
Speaker 2: York good good not a great place to get arraigned,

1011
00:55:30,680 --> 00:55:33,080
Speaker 2: Either SO i hope they throw away the key because that's,

1012
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:37,000
Speaker 2: very very Bad and hats off to law enforcement to

1013
00:55:37,080 --> 00:55:40,760
Speaker 2: cracking down and being able to actually have some arrests.

1014
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:42,680
Speaker 5: Happen there's one positive out of.

1015
00:55:42,719 --> 00:55:45,520
Speaker 6: It it's that they are able to catch some of these,

1016
00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:48,399
Speaker 6: people like they've caught some of, them AND i think

1017
00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:50,680
Speaker 6: people are hearing more about, it so that it is

1018
00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:55,600
Speaker 6: educating their kids to be aware of, this because there

1019
00:55:55,640 --> 00:55:57,360
Speaker 6: was a time WHERE i think these kind of things.

1020
00:55:57,480 --> 00:55:58,640
Speaker 5: Went you, know people.

1021
00:55:58,760 --> 00:56:01,480
Speaker 6: Probably still but don't talk about some of these unusual

1022
00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:03,640
Speaker 6: things that happen. Online LIKE i have a friend he

1023
00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:07,000
Speaker 6: just bought his ten year old daughter a, computer and he's,

1024
00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:08,680
Speaker 6: like what DO i? Do where DO i put this?

1025
00:56:09,080 --> 00:56:10,960
Speaker 6: Computer DO i put it in the living? Room is

1026
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:11,560
Speaker 6: it okay to have.

1027
00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:12,080
Speaker 5: It in her own?

1028
00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:14,120
Speaker 6: Room And i'm, like because of this, Show i'm, LIKE

1029
00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:16,000
Speaker 6: i don't THINK i would ever let my.

1030
00:56:16,120 --> 00:56:18,320
Speaker 5: Ten year old child sit in a room with a computer.

1031
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:21,879
Speaker 6: Alone but you, know, anyway it's educating me people out

1032
00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:24,640
Speaker 6: in the, world and hopefully that's the positive that's coming

1033
00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:24,840
Speaker 6: out of.

1034
00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:26,360
Speaker 2: It and the way that it was explained to me,

1035
00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:28,680
Speaker 2: too WHICH i thought was really. Helpful it's the equivalent

1036
00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:31,839
Speaker 2: giving your ten year. Old, again everything's age, appropriate, Right

1037
00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:34,799
Speaker 2: so this is kind of a sweeping, generalization but giving

1038
00:56:34,840 --> 00:56:38,000
Speaker 2: your nine or ten year old just a laptop and

1039
00:56:38,080 --> 00:56:39,960
Speaker 2: an empty room for them to be in with the

1040
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:43,600
Speaker 2: door closed is literally the equivalent of giving them the

1041
00:56:43,640 --> 00:56:45,160
Speaker 2: keys to a car that they don't know how to

1042
00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:45,839
Speaker 2: drive and.

1043
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:46,359
Speaker 5: Hoping that that's.

1044
00:56:46,520 --> 00:56:50,200
Speaker 2: Interesting it's just, dangerous, Right AND i think as parents

1045
00:56:50,239 --> 00:56:52,880
Speaker 2: we want to be vigilant about not, being you, know

1046
00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:55,600
Speaker 2: putting our kids into dangerous. Situations and if you think

1047
00:56:55,640 --> 00:56:57,920
Speaker 2: of it as as simple terms.

1048
00:56:57,560 --> 00:56:59,680
Speaker 4: Like, that, well of course you wouldn't give your kids

1049
00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:00,799
Speaker 4: the key to drive your.

1050
00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:04,919
Speaker 2: Car very, similarly you're giving them keys to something that's

1051
00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:07,960
Speaker 2: really hard to navigate and there are straight up predators out.

1052
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:11,799
Speaker 3: There, yeah and the car in that lovely simple analogy

1053
00:57:12,120 --> 00:57:15,839
Speaker 3: also is on the highway with how many people are

1054
00:57:15,840 --> 00:57:19,320
Speaker 3: online one trillion things and messages coming out and then

1055
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:20,480
Speaker 3: you're supposed to navigate.

1056
00:57:20,560 --> 00:57:23,440
Speaker 4: That, yeah so we'll keep you.

1057
00:57:23,520 --> 00:57:27,480
Speaker 3: Updated and, another as you, said upside cases are being,

1058
00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:31,560
Speaker 3: prosecuted and in the seven six,' four every single one

1059
00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:35,560
Speaker 3: OF the fbi agencies is prosecuting at least one case

1060
00:57:36,040 --> 00:57:41,120
Speaker 3: And Projects safe childhood IS a doj initiative to help

1061
00:57:41,200 --> 00:57:47,080
Speaker 3: combat online child exploitation and. Protect victims, so people, you

1062
00:57:47,120 --> 00:57:49,360
Speaker 3: know people at high levels are trying to.

1063
00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:50,840
Speaker 4: Stop, this wow, my.

1064
00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:53,840
Speaker 2: God believable and by, the way if you're just, joining

1065
00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:56,800
Speaker 2: us you're Listening To true crime Tonight. On iHeartRadio we're

1066
00:57:56,800 --> 00:58:01,720
Speaker 2: talking About The, greggy's cult which is an online group

1067
00:58:02,080 --> 00:58:05,040
Speaker 2: basically that's now been indicted and we'll hopefully be seeing some.

1068
00:58:05,320 --> 00:58:08,240
Speaker 2: Justice soon so stay. With us we'll be right Back true.

1069
00:58:08,280 --> 00:58:21,480
Speaker 2: Crime tonight welcome Back To true crime Tonight. On iHeartRadio

1070
00:58:21,640 --> 00:58:24,840
Speaker 2: we're talking true crime all. The Time I'm stephanie leidecker

1071
00:58:24,920 --> 00:58:26,680
Speaker 2: Here With courtney Armstrong.

1072
00:58:26,440 --> 00:58:29,520
Speaker 4: And, taha house our most.

1073
00:58:29,560 --> 00:58:32,840
Speaker 2: Favorite producer bodies not, feeling well so we of Course

1074
00:58:32,920 --> 00:58:35,320
Speaker 2: have Adam and sam in the, control room and tonight

1075
00:58:35,360 --> 00:58:42,280
Speaker 2: we also have an extra, Special Guest Oh david epps aka.

1076
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:42,560
Speaker 4: We call Him.

1077
00:58:42,640 --> 00:58:45,840
Speaker 2: Good times you might know him from many hit reality

1078
00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:49,240
Speaker 2: shows Such As The jersey Shore Or Krizly knows Best

1079
00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:54,000
Speaker 2: And America's. Got Talent So good times is basically going

1080
00:58:54,040 --> 00:58:57,960
Speaker 2: to bring us some like quirky or, crime stories stories

1081
00:58:57,960 --> 00:59:04,120
Speaker 2: that maybe aren't necess saraily as clever because sometimes also

1082
00:59:04,120 --> 00:59:07,640
Speaker 2: do very. Stupid THINGS and i hate, that word but

1083
00:59:08,120 --> 00:59:10,400
Speaker 2: it might apply to some Of good times.

1084
00:59:10,520 --> 00:59:14,880
Speaker 4: Is cases So, damon epps welcome to. THE show i.

1085
00:59:14,920 --> 00:59:18,560
Speaker 7: LOVE this i hope this thing. Is working i'm not

1086
00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:19,520
Speaker 7: a professional one.

1087
00:59:19,400 --> 00:59:22,120
Speaker 4: That you sound like a million bucks that thing.

1088
00:59:22,200 --> 00:59:24,440
Speaker 5: Is, on yeah? GOT it i.

1089
00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:25,920
Speaker 7: Love it so how are you.

1090
00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:28,000
Speaker 4: Guys doing we're, so good Happy.

1091
00:59:28,040 --> 00:59:31,960
Speaker 2: Post thanksgiving so like just a little backstory to. Anyone

1092
00:59:32,040 --> 00:59:35,040
Speaker 2: listening we've worked together for a million years on a million,

1093
00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:38,800
Speaker 2: different Projects and courtney has, as well so we've all

1094
00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:42,320
Speaker 2: traveled in more unscripted sort of reality shows back in.

1095
00:59:42,360 --> 00:59:45,960
Speaker 2: The day but we always Call good Times good times

1096
00:59:46,320 --> 00:59:46,840
Speaker 2: because he's a.

1097
00:59:46,840 --> 00:59:47,640
Speaker 4: Good time he.

1098
00:59:47,600 --> 00:59:49,800
Speaker 2: Always brings a, good time even when you're in the thick,

1099
00:59:49,840 --> 00:59:52,640
Speaker 2: of it when like it's two o'clock in the morning

1100
00:59:52,680 --> 00:59:55,959
Speaker 2: and the shoot's been going way too long and you're

1101
00:59:56,200 --> 01:00:01,880
Speaker 2: in overtime and you're starving and, it's raining And good

1102
01:00:01,920 --> 01:00:04,959
Speaker 2: times shows up with like a peach and a diet

1103
01:00:05,080 --> 01:00:07,600
Speaker 2: coke and, is like it ain't, that bad and he

1104
01:00:07,640 --> 01:00:09,680
Speaker 2: always seems to find the silver lightning.

1105
01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:10,440
Speaker 4: And stuff so.

1106
01:00:12,160 --> 01:00:17,000
Speaker 2: My understanding is that you have some, you know kind

1107
01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:18,840
Speaker 2: of off the cuff crime stories to share.

1108
01:00:18,920 --> 01:00:22,240
Speaker 7: With US oh. I do the good time seems to

1109
01:00:22,280 --> 01:00:26,000
Speaker 7: not only follow in, happy times but they also happened.

1110
01:00:26,040 --> 01:00:30,200
Speaker 7: In Crime so i'm happy to sharing these good times in.

1111
01:00:30,240 --> 01:00:32,680
Speaker 7: Crime stories are we ready for the? First?

1112
01:00:32,680 --> 01:00:45,360
Speaker 4: One yes? Bring it do we need a? Drum roll or.

1113
01:00:40,360 --> 01:00:42,680
Speaker 7: Maybe it's just LIKE if, i CAN can i get a?

1114
01:00:42,720 --> 01:00:45,080
Speaker 4: Good TIMES can i get a? Good? Time?

1115
01:00:45,320 --> 01:00:45,360
Speaker 7: What?

1116
01:00:45,600 --> 01:00:47,400
Speaker 5: What? What okay?

1117
01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:51,160
Speaker 7: All right all our first good times Start in vancouver

1118
01:00:52,200 --> 01:00:55,280
Speaker 7: a man with, a dream a dream of one day

1119
01:00:55,360 --> 01:01:01,200
Speaker 7: having a, great job although he had, another dream a

1120
01:01:01,280 --> 01:01:05,400
Speaker 7: dream that happened to take a dream of happened to

1121
01:01:05,440 --> 01:01:09,680
Speaker 7: taking a few knickknacks from a. Stranger's house so, ONE

1122
01:01:09,760 --> 01:01:12,480
Speaker 7: night i know, it's, Nice right so one, late night

1123
01:01:13,160 --> 01:01:17,080
Speaker 7: when the right, opportunity arose he decided to take advantage

1124
01:01:17,080 --> 01:01:19,240
Speaker 7: of that opportunity and do what a little something that

1125
01:01:19,280 --> 01:01:21,040
Speaker 7: we criminals like to, call.

1126
01:01:21,160 --> 01:01:26,520
Speaker 4: Shopping shopping in, someone's house.

1127
01:01:27,320 --> 01:01:29,720
Speaker 7: YOU know, i mean everybody's got a shop and this was.

1128
01:01:29,760 --> 01:01:32,480
Speaker 7: His time but did he hear? Something coming and so

1129
01:01:32,600 --> 01:01:34,720
Speaker 7: he bolt saw, the door but he left. His backpack

1130
01:01:36,240 --> 01:01:39,080
Speaker 7: so when the owner came through, the door he discovers

1131
01:01:39,080 --> 01:01:43,600
Speaker 7: the backpack and he looks inside and guess what he found.

1132
01:01:43,880 --> 01:01:44,840
Speaker 4: His wallet.

1133
01:01:46,280 --> 01:01:51,520
Speaker 7: Well he sounds. STOLEN items, i mean, he's it but he's,

1134
01:01:51,560 --> 01:01:55,560
Speaker 7: a Thief? Is stephanie? Come on he also had his

1135
01:01:55,640 --> 01:01:59,360
Speaker 7: printed resume because the man was seeking the job of

1136
01:01:59,400 --> 01:02:02,800
Speaker 7: his life and so he was. A professional he had,

1137
01:02:02,840 --> 01:02:04,520
Speaker 7: his job he had, his name he hit his, phone

1138
01:02:04,560 --> 01:02:07,720
Speaker 7: number he had, his address previous jobs and what he

1139
01:02:07,760 --> 01:02:11,160
Speaker 7: wanted to be when he decided to fulfill. His dream

1140
01:02:12,200 --> 01:02:15,720
Speaker 7: AND so, i know it's really nice and the cops

1141
01:02:15,760 --> 01:02:20,040
Speaker 7: were so thrilled by this opportunity that they gave him a.

1142
01:02:20,080 --> 01:02:22,680
Speaker 7: Free job they gave him a. Free room they gave

1143
01:02:22,760 --> 01:02:25,360
Speaker 7: him the, free room and the salary. Wasn't great but

1144
01:02:25,880 --> 01:02:26,480
Speaker 7: he'll be staying a.

1145
01:02:26,480 --> 01:02:31,720
Speaker 3: Few NIGHTS am? I, guessing.

1146
01:02:34,240 --> 01:02:36,200
Speaker 7: No they did not let him. Go free he stayed a,

1147
01:02:36,200 --> 01:02:38,920
Speaker 7: few nights, you know but you know or guy, you

1148
01:02:38,920 --> 01:02:40,640
Speaker 7: know but you know he didn't get you, you know

1149
01:02:40,720 --> 01:02:42,880
Speaker 7: but at least his resume was it, went well, you

1150
01:02:42,920 --> 01:02:43,520
Speaker 7: know we got to. Know.

1151
01:02:43,600 --> 01:02:46,680
Speaker 3: HIM well i know that he left the stuff that

1152
01:02:46,800 --> 01:02:49,880
Speaker 3: he stole in the backpack there just insult.

1153
01:02:49,920 --> 01:02:51,920
Speaker 4: To injury he DIDN'T even i think that was.

1154
01:02:52,000 --> 01:02:54,960
Speaker 7: Handled, NEIGHBOR yeah i think that like that might have

1155
01:02:55,000 --> 01:02:57,320
Speaker 7: been from a. Previous job you know, he was, he was,

1156
01:02:57,160 --> 01:02:59,480
Speaker 7: He was he was shopped in. Multiple stores.

1157
01:03:00,840 --> 01:03:02,880
Speaker 2: Can you imagine if somebody came to your house and

1158
01:03:02,920 --> 01:03:04,840
Speaker 2: just started stealing from me when you, knew them and

1159
01:03:04,880 --> 01:03:07,320
Speaker 2: they were putting personal items of yours in?

1160
01:03:07,360 --> 01:03:08,600
Speaker 4: Their backpack.

1161
01:03:12,160 --> 01:03:12,280
Speaker 10: Oh.

1162
01:03:12,360 --> 01:03:15,080
Speaker 2: My, goodness no if something was, DOING that i would

1163
01:03:15,080 --> 01:03:17,560
Speaker 2: just sort, of like you can, have it there's nothing

1164
01:03:17,640 --> 01:03:20,320
Speaker 2: if you're in my home like, you. Should don't you

1165
01:03:20,360 --> 01:03:23,920
Speaker 2: don't have, to steal you can actually have it and

1166
01:03:24,560 --> 01:03:26,960
Speaker 2: don't have to be sneaky. About it oh my. Good

1167
01:03:27,080 --> 01:03:29,240
Speaker 2: damon there is a if you guys ever? Seen that

1168
01:03:29,400 --> 01:03:32,680
Speaker 2: it is LIKE a i guess it's an officer body

1169
01:03:32,680 --> 01:03:37,320
Speaker 2: cam footage and an officer is pulling over what could

1170
01:03:37,320 --> 01:03:40,200
Speaker 2: be a, drunk driver and they take the drunk driver

1171
01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:44,760
Speaker 2: out of, the car and the female officer says to

1172
01:03:44,840 --> 01:03:48,200
Speaker 2: the what could be a, drunk driver walk a, straight

1173
01:03:48,240 --> 01:03:51,320
Speaker 2: line and, she, goes actually don't walk a, straight line and,

1174
01:03:51,360 --> 01:03:53,080
Speaker 2: SHE goes i want to see you do a little,

1175
01:03:53,120 --> 01:03:54,560
Speaker 2: quick dance and she.

1176
01:03:54,560 --> 01:03:54,920
Speaker 7: Does like a.

1177
01:03:55,000 --> 01:03:58,240
Speaker 2: Kickball chain the officer does the, dance first and then

1178
01:03:58,280 --> 01:04:01,160
Speaker 2: she says to the potentially, drunk person.

1179
01:04:01,080 --> 01:04:05,560
Speaker 4: Can you do? It too and they crush it and at,

1180
01:04:05,560 --> 01:04:08,400
Speaker 4: the end and so they do the greatest job doing this.

1181
01:04:08,520 --> 01:04:11,440
Speaker 2: Dance performance and then at the end the, drunkard, says

1182
01:04:12,120 --> 01:04:12,640
Speaker 2: oh you should.

1183
01:04:12,640 --> 01:04:14,640
Speaker 4: See me you should see me Dance when i'm. Not,

1184
01:04:14,720 --> 01:04:22,000
Speaker 4: drinking no, you KNOW whenever i, SAW that i thought.

1185
01:04:22,000 --> 01:04:22,080
Speaker 13: Of.

1186
01:04:22,120 --> 01:04:24,160
Speaker 4: You damon this seemed like that would fall under the

1187
01:04:24,680 --> 01:04:25,200
Speaker 4: the dopey.

1188
01:04:25,280 --> 01:04:28,680
Speaker 7: Crime category mean what people? Don't Know and i'm seeing

1189
01:04:28,720 --> 01:04:31,680
Speaker 7: me just. MY voice, i, ACTUALLY uh i can dance,

1190
01:04:31,720 --> 01:04:33,760
Speaker 7: pretty WELL and i feel like that at my, DRUNKEN

1191
01:04:33,800 --> 01:04:36,120
Speaker 7: moment i probably can still win a. DANCE move i

1192
01:04:36,160 --> 01:04:36,720
Speaker 7: probably could have.

1193
01:04:36,760 --> 01:04:39,360
Speaker 3: Done THAT so i can picture you doing, the worm

1194
01:04:39,440 --> 01:04:44,720
Speaker 3: like on a Subway in BOSTON.

1195
01:04:43,680 --> 01:04:45,200
Speaker 7: When i was, you KNOW when i was a, little

1196
01:04:45,280 --> 01:04:48,240
Speaker 7: lighter the worm was. Much easier but, YOU know i

1197
01:04:48,360 --> 01:04:50,120
Speaker 7: just don't probably. Do it we can make. It happen

1198
01:04:50,440 --> 01:04:50,920
Speaker 7: we can make.

1199
01:04:50,920 --> 01:04:52,760
Speaker 4: Anything happen so what else do? You got do you have?

1200
01:04:52,760 --> 01:04:55,320
Speaker 4: Any more? LIKE wacky i do?

1201
01:04:55,720 --> 01:04:58,720
Speaker 7: Have one do you? HAVE one, i mean these. GOOD

1202
01:04:58,760 --> 01:05:00,520
Speaker 7: times i don't know if you like to Go, to

1203
01:05:00,560 --> 01:05:04,920
Speaker 7: maine but these good times are going To main, we're,

1204
01:05:04,960 --> 01:05:10,439
Speaker 7: going okay? All, right well a dispatch. Was called they called,

1205
01:05:10,440 --> 01:05:14,080
Speaker 7: the police and they received a very. Responsible call and

1206
01:05:14,080 --> 01:05:16,000
Speaker 7: it's always nice when you get a. Responsible call and

1207
01:05:16,040 --> 01:05:20,240
Speaker 7: they reported a. Dangerous situation speaking of. Drunk drivers they

1208
01:05:21,120 --> 01:05:24,560
Speaker 7: received a call about a situation with a drunk driver on.

1209
01:05:24,600 --> 01:05:26,880
Speaker 7: The road and it's the kind of call that a

1210
01:05:26,920 --> 01:05:31,320
Speaker 7: dispatcher loves because it's actually helpful and it can also, save, lives,

1211
01:05:32,000 --> 01:05:32,439
Speaker 7: right sir.

1212
01:05:33,240 --> 01:05:34,080
Speaker 5: That's good it's a.

1213
01:05:34,120 --> 01:05:37,120
Speaker 7: Wonderful thing so the dispatcher they send out the call

1214
01:05:37,280 --> 01:05:40,360
Speaker 7: to the officer on duty and they give them the

1215
01:05:40,400 --> 01:05:44,600
Speaker 7: exact location where the assailant. Is, located oh when the,

1216
01:05:44,640 --> 01:05:47,080
Speaker 7: OFFICERS arrived, i know. It's nice they, were like he is,

1217
01:05:47,240 --> 01:05:50,680
Speaker 7: right there you will not. Miss him when the, officers

1218
01:05:50,760 --> 01:05:53,680
Speaker 7: arrived they looked around and they. See nothing there's, no

1219
01:05:53,840 --> 01:05:57,960
Speaker 7: weaving there's, no swerving. There's nothing so the officers called,

1220
01:05:57,960 --> 01:06:00,920
Speaker 7: the dispatch and the dispatch Calls the samaritan and, they,

1221
01:06:00,960 --> 01:06:06,400
Speaker 7: said sir where exactly is this? Drunk driver our officers cannot.

1222
01:06:06,440 --> 01:06:12,640
Speaker 7: Find them and after a, long pause, He said i'm.

1223
01:06:12,720 --> 01:06:14,480
Speaker 7: Right here i'm in the Car and.

1224
01:06:14,480 --> 01:06:20,040
Speaker 3: I'm, camered no he wasn't going from inside. The house

1225
01:06:20,080 --> 01:06:23,160
Speaker 3: he was calling from in his, own car, on himself.

1226
01:06:22,840 --> 01:06:25,360
Speaker 7: Calling from his, own car and, he said you know, the,

1227
01:06:25,480 --> 01:06:29,200
Speaker 7: Time man he called nine went, on himself and, he

1228
01:06:29,280 --> 01:06:33,400
Speaker 7: explained and he felt turning himself in was the right thing.

1229
01:06:33,480 --> 01:06:38,360
Speaker 7: TO do, i, mean look he's an, honest man and

1230
01:06:38,400 --> 01:06:40,680
Speaker 7: he was arrested for a really. Good deed and the

1231
01:06:40,720 --> 01:06:45,000
Speaker 7: man may not make great, life choices but let's just

1232
01:06:45,000 --> 01:06:47,000
Speaker 7: get him an a for HONESTY showing.

1233
01:06:49,040 --> 01:06:49,120
Speaker 13: I.

1234
01:06:49,160 --> 01:06:51,600
Speaker 4: Did too did he get any leniency because?

1235
01:06:51,640 --> 01:06:57,120
Speaker 7: Of that, YOU know i think it's, probably well, you

1236
01:06:57,160 --> 01:07:00,760
Speaker 7: know he wasn't actually driving at. The moment gave him

1237
01:07:00,760 --> 01:07:03,320
Speaker 7: a little bit less of. A CHARGE but i THINK

1238
01:07:03,360 --> 01:07:05,400
Speaker 7: he i think he. WENT down i think he. Went down,

1239
01:07:05,440 --> 01:07:08,840
Speaker 7: you Know, it's Maine. And maine maine doesn't. MESS around

1240
01:07:08,840 --> 01:07:10,400
Speaker 7: i don't know if you guys know. That name don't.

1241
01:07:10,400 --> 01:07:11,640
Speaker 4: Mess around maine don't.

1242
01:07:11,680 --> 01:07:14,160
Speaker 2: Mess around by, the way it is a very. Tough

1243
01:07:14,200 --> 01:07:17,040
Speaker 2: time it's amazing that any criminals get away with anything,

1244
01:07:17,080 --> 01:07:21,000
Speaker 2: these days given all the technology and. Ring cameras but

1245
01:07:21,800 --> 01:07:24,440
Speaker 2: on top, of that if you just don't have some basic,

1246
01:07:24,520 --> 01:07:26,680
Speaker 2: common sense it's a it's a sure thing.

1247
01:07:26,560 --> 01:07:27,080
Speaker 4: That you will.

1248
01:07:27,120 --> 01:07:31,760
Speaker 2: Be caught we love that you have been sharing all

1249
01:07:31,760 --> 01:07:32,320
Speaker 2: of your tales.

1250
01:07:32,360 --> 01:07:36,520
Speaker 3: With, Us, damon oh this is true. Crime tonight we Are.

1251
01:07:36,720 --> 01:07:41,800
Speaker 3: On iHeartRadio I'm. Courtney armstrong i'm here so lucky as

1252
01:07:41,840 --> 01:07:45,640
Speaker 3: always to Be With. STEPHANIE leidecker i don't KNOW why

1253
01:07:45,680 --> 01:07:50,000
Speaker 3: i just Went into. Iambic pentameter my body movin. Is

1254
01:07:50,400 --> 01:07:52,840
Speaker 3: out she has she's a little. Bit sick but we

1255
01:07:52,880 --> 01:07:56,280
Speaker 3: are here With producer Taha and Sam, and adam and

1256
01:07:56,320 --> 01:08:01,120
Speaker 3: of course We Have damon epps Aka good times on.

1257
01:08:01,200 --> 01:08:05,440
Speaker 3: The PHONE so i think you do you have we

1258
01:08:05,480 --> 01:08:07,680
Speaker 3: have time for? One more do you have one more?

1259
01:08:07,680 --> 01:08:10,280
Speaker 7: In You? GOOD times? I do i got one more.

1260
01:08:10,320 --> 01:08:13,160
Speaker 7: In me I've been i've been searching worldwide for The

1261
01:08:13,160 --> 01:08:18,800
Speaker 7: good times on crime and this one actually is a.

1262
01:08:18,840 --> 01:08:22,400
Speaker 7: Wonderful time it's a wonderful time. For everybody are you

1263
01:08:22,400 --> 01:08:23,240
Speaker 7: guys ready to make? Some?

1264
01:08:23,320 --> 01:08:24,640
Speaker 5: Money yes are you going to make?

1265
01:08:24,720 --> 01:08:24,800
Speaker 12: Some?

1266
01:08:24,880 --> 01:08:28,240
Speaker 4: Money sis This, good times The.

1267
01:08:28,360 --> 01:08:31,479
Speaker 7: Good times we're Heading to texas and two college students

1268
01:08:31,479 --> 01:08:34,639
Speaker 7: they STOPPED buying atm, late, night right and they're going

1269
01:08:34,640 --> 01:08:37,160
Speaker 7: there to grab twenty bucks because it's two dollars, beer

1270
01:08:37,240 --> 01:08:41,840
Speaker 7: night two dollars, bear night. Good times except for what

1271
01:08:41,880 --> 01:08:45,040
Speaker 7: came out OF. The, atm okay this was not. Twenty

1272
01:08:45,080 --> 01:08:50,120
Speaker 7: bucks it was a one hundred. Dollars BILL and i don't

1273
01:08:50,160 --> 01:08:53,000
Speaker 7: know and they, were like. That's weird so they, tried

1274
01:08:53,040 --> 01:08:55,240
Speaker 7: again and they got another one, hundred dollars and then

1275
01:08:55,280 --> 01:08:57,719
Speaker 7: another one, hundred dollars and they got another one. Hundred

1276
01:08:57,760 --> 01:09:00,479
Speaker 7: DOLLARS and i, Don't know i'm not very good, at

1277
01:09:00,520 --> 01:09:03,360
Speaker 7: maths but that is a lot of two. Dollars beers.

1278
01:09:04,120 --> 01:09:06,479
Speaker 3: THAT is i would be. SO excited i would be so.

1279
01:09:06,520 --> 01:09:09,719
Speaker 3: Excited today BUT if i was a, college student.

1280
01:09:09,920 --> 01:09:12,880
Speaker 7: FORGET it, i mean and after they had like four

1281
01:09:12,920 --> 01:09:14,559
Speaker 7: or five hundred bucks in, their hands you would think

1282
01:09:14,640 --> 01:09:17,120
Speaker 7: that these kids would have, been, LIKE dude i got so,

1283
01:09:17,320 --> 01:09:19,840
Speaker 7: MANY beers, i mean. Twenty BUCKS when i was a kid,

1284
01:09:19,840 --> 01:09:23,760
Speaker 7: IN college i would have been. Killing it, well no not.

1285
01:09:23,880 --> 01:09:27,280
Speaker 7: These kids not, these kids BECAUSE this atm had a,

1286
01:09:27,280 --> 01:09:30,680
Speaker 7: giving heart and so they wanted to, share it and

1287
01:09:30,720 --> 01:09:33,960
Speaker 7: so they called, their friends and their friends called, more

1288
01:09:34,000 --> 01:09:37,080
Speaker 7: friends and then their friends called more friends and, everybody's

1289
01:09:37,080 --> 01:09:40,920
Speaker 7: friends and suddenly we had ourselves a good old fashioned

1290
01:09:41,240 --> 01:09:43,800
Speaker 7: exes get down. Money giveaway.

1291
01:09:45,080 --> 01:09:48,439
Speaker 3: Oh, no way oh, Yeah it oh.

1292
01:09:48,479 --> 01:09:54,759
Speaker 7: My god it Became a texas paraty like. Nobody's before

1293
01:09:54,880 --> 01:09:58,599
Speaker 7: it was movie making kind. Of party and the cops

1294
01:09:58,640 --> 01:10:02,000
Speaker 7: finally show up because people were taking money out OF

1295
01:10:02,000 --> 01:10:04,880
Speaker 7: an atm because the party got so out of control

1296
01:10:04,880 --> 01:10:06,800
Speaker 7: and people were having so much money and it was

1297
01:10:06,920 --> 01:10:09,960
Speaker 7: raining money that the police finally just showed up to

1298
01:10:10,080 --> 01:10:13,880
Speaker 7: stop the party from being. So, crazy wow oh.

1299
01:10:15,400 --> 01:10:18,760
Speaker 3: My goodness that's THE party i want to. Go, To,

1300
01:10:19,520 --> 01:10:23,679
Speaker 3: listen david we want to thank you so much for joining,

1301
01:10:23,720 --> 01:10:27,040
Speaker 3: us tonight for bringing us the good times and listen anyone.

1302
01:10:27,080 --> 01:10:30,479
Speaker 3: Who's listening if you want to see more Of what damon,

1303
01:10:30,600 --> 01:10:34,000
Speaker 3: is building you can and should check out, his Company

1304
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01:10:49,160 --> 01:10:56,280
Speaker 3: Times EPs so thank you so, so much and Tis.

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01:10:56,680 --> 01:10:58,200
Speaker 5: That damon thank you.

1309
01:10:58,280 --> 01:11:04,120
Speaker 6: So Much, All right i'll bye, Bye BYE and I

1310
01:11:04,160 --> 01:11:07,080
Speaker 6: think Sam and adam we might have some time for a.

1311
01:11:07,120 --> 01:11:08,400
Speaker 5: Talk back we tossed.

1312
01:11:08,400 --> 01:11:11,760
Speaker 12: To, One, now, HI ladies i am listening to the

1313
01:11:11,800 --> 01:11:14,080
Speaker 12: show and you guys are talking About your christmas trees.

1314
01:11:14,160 --> 01:11:14,840
Speaker 4: AND body i.

1315
01:11:14,800 --> 01:11:15,639
Speaker 12: Love The Charlie brown.

1316
01:11:15,680 --> 01:11:17,840
Speaker 9: Christmas tree i've been Obsessed With charlie BROWN since i was.

1317
01:11:17,880 --> 01:11:21,320
Speaker 13: A BABY but I heard adam talking about his apartment

1318
01:11:21,360 --> 01:11:23,360
Speaker 13: being too small For a christmas tree in.

1319
01:11:23,400 --> 01:11:25,120
Speaker 4: MY apartment i have half Of a.

1320
01:11:25,200 --> 01:11:27,600
Speaker 9: CHRISTMAS tree i literally bought it that way because it

1321
01:11:27,640 --> 01:11:29,960
Speaker 9: goes up against. A wall it is literally half of.

1322
01:11:29,960 --> 01:11:32,640
Speaker 9: A tree it's the craziest, Thing Ever, so adam that.

1323
01:11:32,800 --> 01:11:34,000
Speaker 4: Is, joke ever.

1324
01:11:35,400 --> 01:11:38,640
Speaker 5: THAT'S about i have.

1325
01:11:38,800 --> 01:11:41,720
Speaker 11: A tree i'm glad people are looking out for. Me

1326
01:11:41,800 --> 01:11:44,400
Speaker 11: here i'll have to, You know i'll, have to, you

1327
01:11:44,400 --> 01:11:46,439
Speaker 11: know move some trash aside and Put.

1328
01:11:46,439 --> 01:11:50,240
Speaker 2: MY christmas i cannot not have a tree because there's too.

1329
01:11:50,280 --> 01:11:53,400
Speaker 2: Much TRASH that i know is not the case because

1330
01:11:53,400 --> 01:11:56,960
Speaker 2: you're you're you're. Super clean but the Half a christmas

1331
01:11:57,000 --> 01:11:58,760
Speaker 2: tree is a. Great call that's a.

1332
01:11:58,880 --> 01:12:00,600
Speaker 4: BRILLIANT idea i never thought it.

1333
01:12:00,720 --> 01:12:02,960
Speaker 5: Wouldn't be how sweet you go To the did they

1334
01:12:03,000 --> 01:12:04,280
Speaker 5: cut that way? FOR you i.

1335
01:12:04,320 --> 01:12:06,599
Speaker 11: DON'T know i looked them up before. The show yeah

1336
01:12:06,640 --> 01:12:09,559
Speaker 11: they're well they come. Pre cut they're Cutting, half okay

1337
01:12:09,800 --> 01:12:14,240
Speaker 11: well they're probably, fig trees but uh they. LOOK nice

1338
01:12:14,240 --> 01:12:16,080
Speaker 11: i MEAN it's, i mean it's exactly what you. Would

1339
01:12:16,120 --> 01:12:17,799
Speaker 11: picture it's just half a, tree place.

1340
01:12:17,640 --> 01:12:20,000
Speaker 6: Half a tree right up against. The wall and that's. That's,

1341
01:12:20,040 --> 01:12:23,800
Speaker 6: perfect yeah its. Not BAD might i might look? Into

1342
01:12:23,880 --> 01:12:25,839
Speaker 6: this this might be my new plan for, the holidays

1343
01:12:25,920 --> 01:12:30,360
Speaker 6: so clever and few ornaments, are needed so is?

1344
01:12:30,400 --> 01:12:33,599
Speaker 3: That too and, HOUSING it i mean that's the real

1345
01:12:34,200 --> 01:12:37,800
Speaker 3: issue is where do you? Put this, you know if

1346
01:12:37,800 --> 01:12:41,240
Speaker 3: you don't have some garage or some to.

1347
01:12:41,240 --> 01:12:45,120
Speaker 5: Put everything so that's true With The charlie brown tree or.

1348
01:12:45,360 --> 01:12:46,080
Speaker 5: OR something i gotta.

1349
01:12:46,080 --> 01:12:48,720
Speaker 2: Tell you mine comes apart pretty it's it's like in

1350
01:12:48,800 --> 01:12:49,719
Speaker 2: three different parts?

1351
01:12:49,760 --> 01:12:51,759
Speaker 4: In it or what do you? Pre lit you just plug.

1352
01:12:51,800 --> 01:12:53,639
Speaker 5: It in oh it's, pre lit too.

1353
01:12:53,920 --> 01:12:57,920
Speaker 4: Pre lit it's like it's real dummy. Proof same, you

1354
01:12:58,000 --> 01:12:58,920
Speaker 4: know it's like it's not.

1355
01:12:59,000 --> 01:13:01,080
Speaker 2: EVEN big i mean it's really big when you put,

1356
01:13:01,080 --> 01:13:04,479
Speaker 2: it up but it's in three different sections a SECTION

1357
01:13:04,600 --> 01:13:07,559
Speaker 2: of b SECTION at. C section you plug those sections

1358
01:13:07,560 --> 01:13:09,519
Speaker 2: together and boom you have a.

1359
01:13:09,400 --> 01:13:13,799
Speaker 4: Fully lit tree that comes apart for. Easy storage, nice

1360
01:13:14,120 --> 01:13:16,639
Speaker 4: okay and you just need to let it fluff itself

1361
01:13:16,640 --> 01:13:17,000
Speaker 4: out a.

1362
01:13:17,000 --> 01:13:19,800
Speaker 3: Little BITS.

1363
01:13:21,400 --> 01:13:24,840
Speaker 11: But i love the fake tree and you make it

1364
01:13:24,840 --> 01:13:26,080
Speaker 11: look real by bending.

1365
01:13:25,760 --> 01:13:27,680
Speaker 4: Them all up exactly.

1366
01:13:29,840 --> 01:13:32,680
Speaker 6: Pine, pine candle and you're good. To go no one

1367
01:13:32,680 --> 01:13:35,800
Speaker 6: knows the different so well that that may be my

1368
01:13:35,920 --> 01:13:38,360
Speaker 6: holiday plan. Coming UP so i love.

1369
01:13:38,400 --> 01:13:42,320
Speaker 3: Doing. That, excellent well, stick around we have tons more to.

1370
01:13:42,479 --> 01:13:46,760
Speaker 3: Dig into we actually have a bunch of suggestions and

1371
01:13:47,000 --> 01:13:51,320
Speaker 3: very strong opinions and talk backs and keep. It Here True,

1372
01:13:51,360 --> 01:13:53,400
Speaker 3: Crime tonight we're talking true crime all.

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01:13:53,520 --> 01:13:54,240
Speaker 4: The time.

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01:14:04,200 --> 01:14:07,040
Speaker 2: Welcome Back To True crime Tonight. On iHeartRadio we're talking

1375
01:14:07,080 --> 01:14:09,880
Speaker 2: true crime all. The, time man this that has. Flown

1376
01:14:09,920 --> 01:14:14,000
Speaker 2: By I'm stephanie leidecker Here With courtney armstrong and Our.

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01:14:14,080 --> 01:14:18,920
Speaker 2: Producer taha so there is this incredibly, wild case kind

1378
01:14:18,960 --> 01:14:23,439
Speaker 2: of the likes Of which i've never. HEARD before a

1379
01:14:23,560 --> 01:14:29,880
Speaker 2: man literally tried to buy a young mother's ten month

1380
01:14:29,880 --> 01:14:30,519
Speaker 2: old child.

1381
01:14:30,800 --> 01:14:33,640
Speaker 4: At, auction courtney you have to fill us in on.

1382
01:14:33,680 --> 01:14:38,960
Speaker 3: This one it really is so out there to me and.

1383
01:14:39,120 --> 01:14:44,439
Speaker 3: So strange so Authorities In, washington parish this Is. In

1384
01:14:44,479 --> 01:14:48,080
Speaker 3: louisiana they've arrested this seventy three year. Old man his

1385
01:14:48,200 --> 01:14:52,719
Speaker 3: Name Is Howell, jean penton and as, you mentioned he

1386
01:14:53,080 --> 01:14:57,840
Speaker 3: allegedly tried to buy to purchase a woman's ten month.

1387
01:14:57,880 --> 01:15:01,040
Speaker 3: Old daughter they were at an. Auction house so what

1388
01:15:01,080 --> 01:15:03,959
Speaker 3: the deputies say is that the incident was first reported

1389
01:15:04,000 --> 01:15:07,639
Speaker 3: Back on november, twenty six so about ten, days ago

1390
01:15:08,240 --> 01:15:11,640
Speaker 3: and there was an. Immediate investigation they wrapped us. Up

1391
01:15:11,680 --> 01:15:14,360
Speaker 3: QUICKLY so i want to give It To, Washington. Parish

1392
01:15:14,400 --> 01:15:21,120
Speaker 3: louisiana there was an, immediate investigation an, undercover operation and

1393
01:15:21,160 --> 01:15:25,040
Speaker 3: that led straight to The Accused Howell glenn penton's. Quick

1394
01:15:25,120 --> 01:15:30,080
Speaker 3: arrest the auction house owners are cooperating fully and the

1395
01:15:30,120 --> 01:15:30,600
Speaker 3: case is.

1396
01:15:30,600 --> 01:15:33,240
Speaker 4: Still developing but again the man has.

1397
01:15:33,280 --> 01:15:37,000
Speaker 3: Been arrested so my, FIRST question i think, EVERYONE'S was,

1398
01:15:37,080 --> 01:15:40,040
Speaker 3: i said what kind of? Auction, house yeah what is

1399
01:15:40,080 --> 01:15:40,559
Speaker 3: happening at?

1400
01:15:40,560 --> 01:15:40,640
Speaker 1: This?

1401
01:15:40,760 --> 01:15:48,479
Speaker 6: Auction YEAH when i saw as our Seats.

1402
01:15:48,160 --> 01:15:51,040
Speaker 5: And angie, auction house it's called is? That right that's.

1403
01:15:51,080 --> 01:15:53,559
Speaker 4: Exactly right so It was angie's.

1404
01:15:53,960 --> 01:15:59,440
Speaker 3: Auction house it is described as a flea. Market hybrid

1405
01:15:59,600 --> 01:16:02,880
Speaker 3: it's a typical venue where you can get a variety.

1406
01:16:02,880 --> 01:16:06,160
Speaker 3: Of things you can, get furniture, household items maybe some real,

1407
01:16:06,280 --> 01:16:08,960
Speaker 3: estate items and these things are sold.

1408
01:16:09,000 --> 01:16:11,759
Speaker 4: To bitters so what the child's mother.

1409
01:16:11,680 --> 01:16:18,679
Speaker 3: Reported was that the accused just made a direct offer,

1410
01:16:18,800 --> 01:16:23,000
Speaker 3: and said let me let me buy. Your infant the

1411
01:16:23,080 --> 01:16:25,360
Speaker 3: girl thankfully was, never touched she was.

1412
01:16:25,400 --> 01:16:26,760
Speaker 4: Never harmed it's safe with.

1413
01:16:26,800 --> 01:16:29,720
Speaker 3: Her mother it's, you know, i'd say, all's well that,

1414
01:16:29,840 --> 01:16:33,040
Speaker 3: Ends WELL but i don't know what This Howl, jean

1415
01:16:33,160 --> 01:16:35,519
Speaker 3: penton how many other babies he's been trying?

1416
01:16:35,560 --> 01:16:36,400
Speaker 4: To buy if.

1417
01:16:36,400 --> 01:16:38,400
Speaker 5: At, all right.

1418
01:16:38,000 --> 01:16:41,040
Speaker 6: So he just randomly went up to like they didn't

1419
01:16:41,080 --> 01:16:42,640
Speaker 6: have a connection. At all so it sounds like he

1420
01:16:42,720 --> 01:16:44,840
Speaker 6: just randomly went up to some person, AND says i

1421
01:16:44,880 --> 01:16:48,720
Speaker 6: want to buy, your child which, is wacky wild, and

1422
01:16:49,080 --> 01:16:55,280
Speaker 6: hoied but horrifying and frightening, AND anyway i guess my

1423
01:16:55,400 --> 01:16:59,760
Speaker 6: thought process went TO immediately, i thought did he know?

1424
01:16:59,840 --> 01:17:01,680
Speaker 6: This woman or was this some kind of connection or

1425
01:17:01,720 --> 01:17:03,599
Speaker 6: is just a. Random stranger but it sounds like he's

1426
01:17:03,600 --> 01:17:04,599
Speaker 6: just a random stranger he went.

1427
01:17:04,680 --> 01:17:08,160
Speaker 3: Up, to yeah nothing that's been reported indicates there was

1428
01:17:08,280 --> 01:17:12,640
Speaker 3: any kind, Of connection so it does appear to be just, a,

1429
01:17:12,760 --> 01:17:15,840
Speaker 3: random older seventy three year old gentleman going up to

1430
01:17:16,120 --> 01:17:18,840
Speaker 3: a mother and a young baby and wanting to. Make

1431
01:17:18,880 --> 01:17:23,000
Speaker 3: purchase and, you know thankfully he's being held At The Washington.

1432
01:17:23,040 --> 01:17:28,120
Speaker 3: Parish jail this Is, in franklinton and he is on

1433
01:17:28,200 --> 01:17:29,479
Speaker 3: two hundred thousand dollars of.

1434
01:17:29,479 --> 01:17:33,720
Speaker 4: A bond that is hardly, a gentleman not. At all

1435
01:17:33,840 --> 01:17:38,400
Speaker 4: that is. Very true that is. VERY true i. Darn him.

1436
01:17:38,600 --> 01:17:42,559
Speaker 2: That's terrible shame, On him shame on him and. HIS

1437
01:17:42,880 --> 01:17:44,479
Speaker 2: weirdness i don't like that.

1438
01:17:44,560 --> 01:17:44,680
Speaker 7: At.

1439
01:17:44,760 --> 01:17:49,160
Speaker 2: All, strange yeah can we move on to maybe, something

1440
01:17:49,200 --> 01:17:51,680
Speaker 2: better like a cold case that was Solved in colorado

1441
01:17:51,800 --> 01:17:52,880
Speaker 2: DUE to dna and.

1442
01:17:53,000 --> 01:17:55,920
Speaker 4: Technical advancements we can move on.

1443
01:17:55,960 --> 01:17:58,120
Speaker 6: To THAT now i will have poor body who's not

1444
01:17:58,200 --> 01:18:01,280
Speaker 6: with us tonight because she's under. The weather brought this

1445
01:18:01,320 --> 01:18:04,639
Speaker 6: story to, my ATTENTION and i found this FASCINATING because

1446
01:18:04,840 --> 01:18:07,040
Speaker 6: i started to fall in LOVE with dna after WE Had.

1447
01:18:07,080 --> 01:18:09,960
Speaker 5: CC moron i. Loved her wasn't?

1448
01:18:09,960 --> 01:18:14,200
Speaker 6: She amazing but she and this is echoing some of

1449
01:18:14,240 --> 01:18:16,920
Speaker 6: what she said and as TO how dna is going

1450
01:18:16,960 --> 01:18:21,000
Speaker 6: to impact a lot of these. Cold cases but investigators

1451
01:18:21,200 --> 01:18:25,040
Speaker 6: have solved the nineteen eighty seven Murder Of Ronda marie

1452
01:18:25,080 --> 01:18:29,320
Speaker 6: fisher after NEWLY tested dna from. Decades old, get this

1453
01:18:29,520 --> 01:18:33,879
Speaker 6: decade old paper bags matched the convicted, Serial Killer Vincent.

1454
01:18:34,120 --> 01:18:38,200
Speaker 6: Darryl GROVES so i had never heard about this case or.

1455
01:18:38,240 --> 01:18:39,960
Speaker 5: This person but here's a.

1456
01:18:39,960 --> 01:18:44,720
Speaker 6: Little Background Victim Ronda. Marie fisher she was thirty. Years

1457
01:18:44,760 --> 01:18:48,080
Speaker 6: old she was found sexually assaulted and strangled along a

1458
01:18:48,160 --> 01:18:51,200
Speaker 6: rural highway South. Of denver this was Back in april

1459
01:18:51,240 --> 01:18:54,280
Speaker 6: first of nineteen, eighty seven and she had been Seen

1460
01:18:54,360 --> 01:18:58,280
Speaker 6: in denver like the. Night before but, YOU know i

1461
01:18:58,280 --> 01:19:03,040
Speaker 6: guess they found her body and there were. No leads

1462
01:19:03,120 --> 01:19:05,320
Speaker 6: for the, longest time they had no idea who killed

1463
01:19:05,320 --> 01:19:09,280
Speaker 6: her or. What happened but despite investigative LEADS and dna

1464
01:19:09,400 --> 01:19:14,200
Speaker 6: testing in, twenty seventeen the case remained unsolved for nearly.

1465
01:19:14,520 --> 01:19:17,720
Speaker 6: Four decades so this has been going on for. A,

1466
01:19:17,760 --> 01:19:20,400
Speaker 6: while well fast Forward and i'll.

1467
01:19:20,160 --> 01:19:21,840
Speaker 5: Just kind of give you the moving.

1468
01:19:21,880 --> 01:19:26,200
Speaker 6: Forward ahead the bags were preserved for nearly. Forty years

1469
01:19:26,360 --> 01:19:31,200
Speaker 6: The bags i'm referring to were during the when SHE

1470
01:19:31,560 --> 01:19:34,200
Speaker 6: was i guess what happened was she had two paper

1471
01:19:34,200 --> 01:19:39,360
Speaker 6: bags that were placed over her hands during the assault or.

1472
01:19:40,040 --> 01:19:43,120
Speaker 6: That happened the paper bags had been preserved for nearly,

1473
01:19:43,200 --> 01:19:46,719
Speaker 6: forty years and they were believed to contain transferred skin

1474
01:19:46,880 --> 01:19:52,840
Speaker 6: cells From Victim Randa marie. Fisher's, hands well the forensic

1475
01:19:52,880 --> 01:19:56,479
Speaker 6: scientists achieved a RARE viable dna profile from the, paper

1476
01:19:56,479 --> 01:19:59,920
Speaker 6: bags which this. Is important this highlights the long term

1477
01:20:00,160 --> 01:20:05,120
Speaker 6: value how important it is to preserve. This evidence investigators

1478
01:20:05,479 --> 01:20:08,000
Speaker 6: noted that the bags had not been USED with dna

1479
01:20:08,280 --> 01:20:10,880
Speaker 6: in mind at that, time period because this is something

1480
01:20:10,920 --> 01:20:14,200
Speaker 6: they didn't do back at nineteen. Eighty seven the PROFILE

1481
01:20:14,320 --> 01:20:18,120
Speaker 6: the Dna Matched Vincent darryl grives and he was a.

1482
01:20:18,160 --> 01:20:22,519
Speaker 6: Convicted killer he died in prison in nineteen, ninety six

1483
01:20:22,840 --> 01:20:26,240
Speaker 6: and he's actually considered One of colorado's most prolific. Serial,

1484
01:20:26,320 --> 01:20:29,599
Speaker 6: killers like this was a. Serious person he had been

1485
01:20:30,200 --> 01:20:34,680
Speaker 6: known to kill up to almost a. Dozen people SO,

1486
01:20:35,000 --> 01:20:37,640
Speaker 6: the dna after all these, years later they did, the

1487
01:20:37,680 --> 01:20:41,240
Speaker 6: match they figured out it. Was him and another cold

1488
01:20:41,320 --> 01:20:45,560
Speaker 6: case has been solved THANKS to dna and the preservation

1489
01:20:45,800 --> 01:20:49,320
Speaker 6: of key. Valuable MATERIALS so i thought this one was

1490
01:20:50,479 --> 01:20:53,240
Speaker 6: an interesting case and a reminder of how important all

1491
01:20:53,280 --> 01:20:54,320
Speaker 6: of the, evidence.

1492
01:20:54,000 --> 01:20:55,800
Speaker 4: Is and like, you said keeping it and.

1493
01:20:55,840 --> 01:21:00,920
Speaker 3: Preserving it And, Now Ronda, marie fisher the, victory families

1494
01:21:00,920 --> 01:21:04,280
Speaker 3: they have, some closure and there was within all the

1495
01:21:04,320 --> 01:21:07,160
Speaker 3: context of the story you, just told there are heroes

1496
01:21:07,200 --> 01:21:09,160
Speaker 3: who actually kept the case alive.

1497
01:21:09,320 --> 01:21:11,599
Speaker 4: Forty years so it speaks to.

1498
01:21:11,760 --> 01:21:15,640
Speaker 3: You know a lot of great technological progress and, you

1499
01:21:15,680 --> 01:21:16,760
Speaker 3: know at least a bit.

1500
01:21:16,760 --> 01:21:16,840
Speaker 5: Of.

1501
01:21:16,880 --> 01:21:19,639
Speaker 2: Closure yeah and by, the way just the idea that

1502
01:21:19,760 --> 01:21:22,160
Speaker 2: cases aren't being. LEFT behind i don't know how people

1503
01:21:22,200 --> 01:21:23,920
Speaker 2: do it in. Law enforcement, you know there are so

1504
01:21:23,960 --> 01:21:27,280
Speaker 2: many problems in, the moment in the, real day right,

1505
01:21:27,360 --> 01:21:31,360
Speaker 2: you know tomorrow there will be unfortunately crimes and things

1506
01:21:31,400 --> 01:21:34,519
Speaker 2: that are happening in real time that need their attention

1507
01:21:35,040 --> 01:21:37,160
Speaker 2: and to have the wherewithal to be able to go

1508
01:21:37,240 --> 01:21:40,559
Speaker 2: back in time for that, long decades it's.

1509
01:21:40,600 --> 01:21:43,800
Speaker 6: Pretty, astounding yeah it makes you feel good knowing that

1510
01:21:43,840 --> 01:21:47,519
Speaker 6: there are some law enforcement people out there that, Are

1511
01:21:47,520 --> 01:21:49,280
Speaker 6: like i'm not giving up, On THIS like i am.

1512
01:21:49,120 --> 01:21:51,800
Speaker 5: Going to stick with this CASE because i. Care, it

1513
01:21:52,040 --> 01:21:52,920
Speaker 5: YEAH that's.

1514
01:21:52,920 --> 01:21:56,960
Speaker 3: I mean, You know we've had the opportunity to speak

1515
01:21:57,000 --> 01:22:01,479
Speaker 3: to some Some, investigator stephanie and it's it truly is

1516
01:22:01,560 --> 01:22:04,840
Speaker 3: what you see in movies and documentaries and more of

1517
01:22:05,200 --> 01:22:08,400
Speaker 3: some detectives who with victims pictures on, their walls they

1518
01:22:08,400 --> 01:22:10,599
Speaker 3: look at it every day, AND said i can't forget

1519
01:22:10,720 --> 01:22:11,639
Speaker 3: it drives me every.

1520
01:22:11,680 --> 01:22:14,479
Speaker 4: Single day and you know that.

1521
01:22:16,200 --> 01:22:19,800
Speaker 3: The perseverance AND the i, don't know the human connection of, It,

1522
01:22:19,880 --> 01:22:21,719
Speaker 3: all yeah helped push.

1523
01:22:21,760 --> 01:22:24,840
Speaker 2: Things forward the, HUMAN connection i think is a very

1524
01:22:24,840 --> 01:22:25,559
Speaker 2: important piece.

1525
01:22:25,560 --> 01:22:29,720
Speaker 3: Of that what was the what was the documentary? WE

1526
01:22:29,800 --> 01:22:32,200
Speaker 3: watched i absolutely. Adored it we. Did it it was

1527
01:22:32,240 --> 01:22:34,160
Speaker 3: a true crime and chill and it was about the

1528
01:22:34,200 --> 01:22:36,160
Speaker 3: man who was.

1529
01:22:36,240 --> 01:22:38,439
Speaker 4: Being stalked do.

1530
01:22:38,320 --> 01:22:38,800
Speaker 7: You REMEMBER what i?

1531
01:22:38,840 --> 01:22:41,600
Speaker 5: WAS saying I think i know what you're talking was

1532
01:22:41,640 --> 01:22:41,880
Speaker 5: like the.

1533
01:22:41,960 --> 01:22:45,879
Speaker 4: Killer, murder yes and he didn't.

1534
01:22:45,640 --> 01:22:50,880
Speaker 5: Want to give up. On it was it the one with, Uh.

1535
01:22:49,920 --> 01:22:51,439
Speaker 6: Oh i'm going to blink the name. Of it there

1536
01:22:51,479 --> 01:22:54,719
Speaker 6: was One with it wasn't the one where it wound

1537
01:22:54,800 --> 01:22:57,879
Speaker 6: up being? The woman how do we all have amnesia?

1538
01:22:57,960 --> 01:22:59,000
Speaker 5: Right? NOW this I know i.

1539
01:22:59,000 --> 01:23:03,800
Speaker 4: Can't remember it Was watch it Was Lover, stalker killer.

1540
01:23:05,320 --> 01:23:08,160
Speaker 3: And there was a woman who died and basically, the

1541
01:23:08,240 --> 01:23:11,360
Speaker 3: victim the true victim in all this was being, basically

1542
01:23:11,560 --> 01:23:15,240
Speaker 3: slandered and it was made to seem the public perception

1543
01:23:15,360 --> 01:23:19,360
Speaker 3: that she disappeared her life, on purpose she was framed

1544
01:23:19,360 --> 01:23:21,880
Speaker 3: in death and that she left her. Young child and

1545
01:23:21,920 --> 01:23:25,240
Speaker 3: there was, one detective after speaking with the victim's mother,

1546
01:23:26,080 --> 01:23:28,320
Speaker 3: who said you, know what something is not right and

1547
01:23:28,880 --> 01:23:30,720
Speaker 3: literally took things in his.

1548
01:23:30,720 --> 01:23:33,439
Speaker 4: OWN hands i do remember. The investigation it WAS very

1549
01:23:33,720 --> 01:23:34,240
Speaker 4: i think that was.

1550
01:23:34,240 --> 01:23:36,720
Speaker 5: The case. DID you i think you both said you

1551
01:23:36,760 --> 01:23:38,960
Speaker 5: had worked in Was it Crazy? In Love that, You're

1552
01:23:39,080 --> 01:23:39,599
Speaker 5: yeah Crazy?

1553
01:23:39,680 --> 01:23:39,720
Speaker 1: In?

1554
01:23:39,800 --> 01:23:41,840
Speaker 4: Love yeah we did fifty two episodes.

1555
01:23:41,880 --> 01:23:45,080
Speaker 5: Of, that wow, yeah yeah well, so yeah that.

1556
01:23:45,360 --> 01:23:47,439
Speaker 6: Was a good example of a detective, That's like i'm

1557
01:23:47,439 --> 01:23:48,960
Speaker 6: not going to. Give up i'm going to keep going

1558
01:23:49,080 --> 01:23:51,479
Speaker 6: until the, bitter END until i figure. This OUT so

1559
01:23:52,720 --> 01:23:55,559
Speaker 6: i find that world, fascinating too just, in general like

1560
01:23:55,640 --> 01:23:58,719
Speaker 6: the detective side. OF things i know you guys interact

1561
01:23:58,760 --> 01:24:01,320
Speaker 6: with them often and in the true, crime world but,

1562
01:24:02,400 --> 01:24:06,360
Speaker 6: YOU know i like that Side of i'm going to

1563
01:24:06,520 --> 01:24:08,120
Speaker 6: figure out what. This is i'm going to pick it

1564
01:24:08,160 --> 01:24:11,200
Speaker 6: apart and keep digging, and digging which is kind of

1565
01:24:11,200 --> 01:24:12,400
Speaker 6: what you probably.

1566
01:24:12,240 --> 01:24:14,639
Speaker 2: Not letting it go and just sort of not letting,

1567
01:24:14,640 --> 01:24:16,360
Speaker 2: it go like, YOU know i think that's a big piece.

1568
01:24:16,400 --> 01:24:18,200
Speaker 2: OF it, i think You know corney, is saying, HUMAN

1569
01:24:18,240 --> 01:24:20,000
Speaker 2: connection i think is such a big piece of. The

1570
01:24:20,000 --> 01:24:23,240
Speaker 2: puzzle if you, don't care you're not going to probably

1571
01:24:23,320 --> 01:24:27,320
Speaker 2: find the. Missing link that requires so, much heart sweat

1572
01:24:27,320 --> 01:24:29,920
Speaker 2: and tears to be able to get to that piece of.

1573
01:24:29,960 --> 01:24:34,280
Speaker 2: The Puzzle and i've been more awed by detectives over

1574
01:24:34,320 --> 01:24:37,120
Speaker 2: the years that have really put it all on, the

1575
01:24:37,160 --> 01:24:39,800
Speaker 2: line by, the way with, great sacrifice missing, the things,

1576
01:24:39,800 --> 01:24:43,400
Speaker 2: getting dinners missing their, kids' birthdays having to travel on,

1577
01:24:43,439 --> 01:24:45,519
Speaker 2: a whim having to get up in the middle of

1578
01:24:45,560 --> 01:24:48,559
Speaker 2: the night when your sick wife wants you to stay

1579
01:24:48,560 --> 01:24:51,240
Speaker 2: home in bed because she has. The flu yet you're

1580
01:24:51,400 --> 01:24:55,360
Speaker 2: driven to some larger calling because you know that the

1581
01:24:55,479 --> 01:24:58,160
Speaker 2: answer might be. Out there and then to see that

1582
01:24:58,200 --> 01:25:01,840
Speaker 2: actually get paid off in. The end it's pretty it's

1583
01:25:01,840 --> 01:25:05,400
Speaker 2: pretty life changing just, a witness, let alone to be

1584
01:25:05,439 --> 01:25:10,280
Speaker 2: a family member of somebody who's finally. Getting answers, you

1585
01:25:10,320 --> 01:25:14,000
Speaker 2: know there are victims everywhere who are still missing key

1586
01:25:14,040 --> 01:25:14,800
Speaker 2: pieces of.

1587
01:25:14,840 --> 01:25:18,920
Speaker 14: The, puzzle, yeah Yeah well i'm glad that they are

1588
01:25:18,960 --> 01:25:21,720
Speaker 14: out there and we have them in. Our lives so

1589
01:25:23,160 --> 01:25:25,800
Speaker 14: but that's a talk about totally have a talk back

1590
01:25:25,840 --> 01:25:26,080
Speaker 14: and get.

1591
01:25:26,080 --> 01:25:26,639
Speaker 5: Something Going.

1592
01:25:27,560 --> 01:25:31,759
Speaker 15: Hi teams Selicia. From atlanta i've been following the tragic

1593
01:25:31,800 --> 01:25:35,400
Speaker 15: Case Of rebecca park and as a mother, of four it's.

1594
01:25:35,479 --> 01:25:39,760
Speaker 15: Truly heartbreaking many people can't understand how her own mother could,

1595
01:25:39,840 --> 01:25:43,720
Speaker 15: Do this but biology doesn't always. Eat connection in, this

1596
01:25:43,840 --> 01:25:47,479
Speaker 15: case the lack of the real bond, is evident especially

1597
01:25:47,479 --> 01:25:50,240
Speaker 15: in how her birth mother was able to separate her

1598
01:25:50,280 --> 01:25:53,679
Speaker 15: from her baby and commit something. So horrific my heart

1599
01:25:53,680 --> 01:25:56,840
Speaker 15: goes out. To them stay, Safe everyone we.

1600
01:25:56,960 --> 01:26:00,680
Speaker 2: LOVE you i love your, voice FIRST and i just have,

1601
01:26:00,760 --> 01:26:04,599
Speaker 2: to say it's such a Great, velvets yeah like, velvet literally,

1602
01:26:05,439 --> 01:26:08,160
Speaker 2: and yeah. You're right sometimes there isn't. THAT connection i

1603
01:26:08,160 --> 01:26:11,640
Speaker 2: mean clearly there wasn't, one here because, you know to

1604
01:26:11,720 --> 01:26:13,040
Speaker 2: do that to your own.

1605
01:26:12,880 --> 01:26:18,560
Speaker 3: Daughter and what the what the talk back is referring

1606
01:26:18,680 --> 01:26:21,120
Speaker 3: To Is. Rebecca parks she's a twenty two year old

1607
01:26:21,200 --> 01:26:26,000
Speaker 3: woman who was largely pregnant thirty nine weeks pregnant and

1608
01:26:26,160 --> 01:26:31,160
Speaker 3: ultimately was found murdered and, her mother along with other,

1609
01:26:31,240 --> 01:26:36,519
Speaker 3: family members have been arrested and charged with taking her

1610
01:26:36,680 --> 01:26:45,559
Speaker 3: baby out of. Her belly so missing connection, Is, correct yeah.

1611
01:26:45,800 --> 01:26:46,840
Speaker 5: It is that's.

1612
01:26:47,640 --> 01:26:51,400
Speaker 6: That, one yeah that's another case that we have. Been

1613
01:26:51,439 --> 01:26:55,799
Speaker 6: following and it's a really hard one to fathom because

1614
01:26:55,800 --> 01:26:57,920
Speaker 6: that's a family and you, would, think like, you know of.

1615
01:26:58,000 --> 01:26:59,879
Speaker 5: Course it's, a family so they would be. As protective

1616
01:27:00,080 --> 01:27:05,599
Speaker 5: but what's happened and with that one is it's it's.

1617
01:27:05,600 --> 01:27:06,760
Speaker 5: ALMOST speaks i can't be.

1618
01:27:07,120 --> 01:27:09,559
Speaker 4: Next level oh. My goodness she didn't stand, A Chance.

1619
01:27:09,680 --> 01:27:14,080
Speaker 2: Rebecca park she had a crappy baby daddy, who stinks

1620
01:27:14,560 --> 01:27:18,519
Speaker 2: and she had a stepfather who stinks who's now also

1621
01:27:18,640 --> 01:27:21,920
Speaker 2: behind bars and also a previous. Sex offender he she

1622
01:27:22,040 --> 01:27:25,439
Speaker 2: has a mom that stinks that would actually do something

1623
01:27:25,560 --> 01:27:29,519
Speaker 2: so terrible and, you know the charges alone say say.

1624
01:27:29,680 --> 01:27:32,000
Speaker 4: So much and HER sister o guess what?

1625
01:27:32,520 --> 01:27:38,040
Speaker 2: She, stinks, yeah yeah, just involved the, SISTERS involved, i

1626
01:27:38,120 --> 01:27:38,400
Speaker 2: mean they're.

1627
01:27:38,400 --> 01:27:41,120
Speaker 4: All involved and they were all sort of there's like

1628
01:27:41,240 --> 01:27:43,240
Speaker 4: some they're all hooking up a little bit with, Each

1629
01:27:43,240 --> 01:27:45,080
Speaker 4: other like there doesn't seem to be any real.

1630
01:27:45,200 --> 01:27:50,559
Speaker 2: Basic BOUNDARIES and i can't Imagine how rebecca got as

1631
01:27:50,600 --> 01:27:52,640
Speaker 2: far as. She had she didn't stand, a chance and

1632
01:27:52,720 --> 01:27:53,080
Speaker 2: it makes.

1633
01:27:53,120 --> 01:27:57,800
Speaker 5: Me, mad, yeah yeah. It's horrible you're angry.

1634
01:27:58,200 --> 01:28:01,360
Speaker 3: The card she, was DEALT AND i, i, mean yeah

1635
01:28:01,400 --> 01:28:05,040
Speaker 3: these circumstances are a little bit. Beyond imagination but for

1636
01:28:05,120 --> 01:28:08,320
Speaker 3: anyone who's lucky enough to have a, SIBLING relationship i

1637
01:28:08,360 --> 01:28:14,240
Speaker 3: mean there's. Literally nothing it's unimaginable for me to do

1638
01:28:14,400 --> 01:28:15,599
Speaker 3: anything to harm, my sister.

1639
01:28:16,040 --> 01:28:18,719
Speaker 2: Just period in, the end, let alone you can imagine

1640
01:28:18,840 --> 01:28:21,040
Speaker 2: harming someone who's harming, her sister, because like, you, know you,

1641
01:28:22,040 --> 01:28:23,880
Speaker 2: you KNOW like i can Speak for courtney on. THAT

1642
01:28:23,920 --> 01:28:25,920
Speaker 2: one i don't have, a sister only. Her Brothers but,

1643
01:28:26,640 --> 01:28:29,680
Speaker 2: courtney will she'll stand up to. The, DEATH yes i

1644
01:28:29,800 --> 01:28:33,360
Speaker 2: will stand up for my sister in the best.

1645
01:28:33,160 --> 01:28:35,720
Speaker 4: Way now that she needs standing, up for because. She's

1646
01:28:35,800 --> 01:28:38,240
Speaker 4: perfect but, you know that's, the.

1647
01:28:38,280 --> 01:28:41,560
Speaker 2: Sisterhood, You know so for that to be so spoiled

1648
01:28:41,680 --> 01:28:45,000
Speaker 2: and horrible, and wretched it's a real stain.

1649
01:28:45,080 --> 01:28:50,440
Speaker 5: On humanity, WELL well i hate that we ended on Anyone.

1650
01:28:53,800 --> 01:28:57,600
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1651
01:28:57,200 --> 01:28:59,759
Speaker 5: Tree stories or anything else that can make. Me smile

1652
01:29:00,439 --> 01:29:01,200
Speaker 5: it's going to be a.

1653
01:29:01,280 --> 01:29:06,080
Speaker 2: Beautiful weekend whoever and wherever. You are just know that

1654
01:29:06,320 --> 01:29:08,800
Speaker 2: we are crazy. For you we love getting to spend

1655
01:29:08,840 --> 01:29:11,679
Speaker 2: our nights. With you we are entering the. Holiday season

1656
01:29:11,880 --> 01:29:14,760
Speaker 2: sometimes that's a little triggering, for people so don't feel.

1657
01:29:14,800 --> 01:29:17,280
Speaker 2: The pressure just know that you are welcome here with

1658
01:29:17,439 --> 01:29:21,559
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1659
01:29:21,680 --> 01:29:24,120
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1660
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1663
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1664
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1665
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1666
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1667
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1668
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1669
01:30:00,960 --> 01:30:01,479
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