WEBVTT - Episode 432: Joe Doyle (Over-Slot) + Has This Series With The Reds Shown Us Anything? 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:02.719 What's up, guys. Just a reminder that we're now less 0:00:02.720 --> 0:00:05.280 than one week away from our next Mariner's Live event 0:00:05.320 --> 0:00:08.119 and we cannot wait to see you there. It's on Tuesday, 0:00:08.240 --> 0:00:11.520 July the twenty eighth at six pm over with our 0:00:11.520 --> 0:00:14.600 friends at the Emerald Queen Casino. So for those of 0:00:14.640 --> 0:00:16.840 you in the South Sound area, for those of you 0:00:16.920 --> 0:00:18.680 in the Seattle area that just want to make the 0:00:18.680 --> 0:00:21.119 trip over, we cannot wait to see you there because 0:00:21.120 --> 0:00:23.720 we're gonna be doing a Mariner's Trivia Night and we're 0:00:23.720 --> 0:00:26.400 going to watch the Mariners Dodgers game with you guys. 0:00:26.280 --> 0:00:28.960 At the conclusion of the trivia night. 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We're posting content everywhere every single 0:01:30.520 --> 0:01:32.160 day at Marine Layer Pod. 0:01:32.760 --> 0:01:48.680 Let's get it rolling and welcome you to this episode 0:01:48.720 --> 0:01:51.400 of the Marine Layer Podcast, part of the Just Baseball 0:01:51.440 --> 0:01:56.080 podcast network, recording here on Tuesday evening, July twenty first, 0:01:56.560 --> 0:02:00.000 and Lyle, we've really gotten everything in this Red series 0:02:00.160 --> 0:02:00.680 is so far. 0:02:02.200 --> 0:02:02.600 Yeah. 0:02:02.680 --> 0:02:05.480 And because we've gotten everything, I would analyze the first 0:02:05.520 --> 0:02:10.079 two games with eh. I mean, Monday was great. Monday 0:02:10.120 --> 0:02:13.040 showed a lot of life, and then Tuesday was a 0:02:13.120 --> 0:02:16.919 lot of the same things we just talk about over 0:02:17.040 --> 0:02:19.720 and over. So pick whichever side of the coin you want. 0:02:19.960 --> 0:02:22.320 If you're somebody that wants to focus more on Monday 0:02:22.600 --> 0:02:25.080 and looking at Cow's swing and Cow's Grand Slam as 0:02:25.120 --> 0:02:29.359 a potential spark plug, sure it is possible if you'd 0:02:29.440 --> 0:02:31.440 rather look at Tuesday and say, oh, look at all 0:02:31.440 --> 0:02:33.000 the same mistakes come into life. 0:02:33.919 --> 0:02:35.240 Also totally fair to look at that. 0:02:36.040 --> 0:02:39.040 What don't we talk about some positive first? I will 0:02:39.040 --> 0:02:41.840 say I liked I've liked Cow's approach of the plate 0:02:42.120 --> 0:02:46.320 the first two games. The swing was huge. I did 0:02:46.360 --> 0:02:48.360 think he'd put the Mariners in a pretty good spot 0:02:48.400 --> 0:02:51.160 in a very similar situation here on Tuesday, where it 0:02:51.280 --> 0:02:54.440 ended up drawing a walk, but the Mariners, just shockingly, 0:02:54.600 --> 0:02:57.000 as they are terrible with runners in scoring position, couldn't 0:02:57.040 --> 0:03:00.000 drive him in after the Reds walked the bases loaded, 0:03:00.080 --> 0:03:02.560 I think in the seventh inning tonight, trying to give 0:03:02.600 --> 0:03:05.520 the Maritors an opportunity to win, given how terrible the 0:03:05.560 --> 0:03:09.720 Reds bullpen were, but they unfortunately couldn't get that done. 0:03:10.400 --> 0:03:14.600 That swing he had on Monday, though, that was pretty 0:03:14.639 --> 0:03:17.720 good and the Reds I don't know what the Reds 0:03:17.720 --> 0:03:22.560 were doing on Monday night lyle it was. It kind 0:03:22.560 --> 0:03:26.000 of made sense, but I don't know. 0:03:26.840 --> 0:03:31.600 Yeah, I mean, the reasoning Francota put out there Terry 0:03:31.680 --> 0:03:35.200 Francona was they wanted to avoid having Canzone hit against 0:03:35.240 --> 0:03:39.160 the lefty, and Canzone in a small sample really has 0:03:39.240 --> 0:03:43.000 hit lefties. But even for as much as Cal struggled 0:03:43.040 --> 0:03:45.360 this year, I don't really know if I'd walked the 0:03:45.400 --> 0:03:51.360 bases loaded for Cal Raleigh and then throw him that pitch, Well, 0:03:51.640 --> 0:03:53.760 the pitch in the execution is where you run into 0:03:53.760 --> 0:03:57.120 all the problems, because I mean Caleb Ferguson essentially asked 0:03:57.120 --> 0:03:58.960 Cal to hit that to the next county with the 0:03:58.960 --> 0:04:00.880 pitch that he left up that. 0:04:01.320 --> 0:04:03.000 Looked like Seattle Mariners. 0:04:03.120 --> 0:04:07.440 Caleb Ferguson, Yeah who, By the way, then just continued 0:04:07.480 --> 0:04:10.440 to put himself in the news as he's essentially calling 0:04:10.480 --> 0:04:12.720 an umpire later in the inning a fat fuck to 0:04:12.760 --> 0:04:13.560 get out of the way. 0:04:14.560 --> 0:04:19.760 Like, I mean, everything night for Caleb, I mean everything that. 0:04:19.839 --> 0:04:22.440 Drove people nuts about Caleb Ferguson and his short stint 0:04:22.480 --> 0:04:24.680 as a Mariner seemed to really come to life in 0:04:24.720 --> 0:04:25.280 that outing. 0:04:25.880 --> 0:04:29.600 Yeah, I'll dub that pitch from Caleb Ferguson the worst 0:04:30.000 --> 0:04:33.240 pitch of the twenty twenty six MLB season. You have 0:04:33.320 --> 0:04:36.880 a guy in Cal Rawley who's just really struggled. He 0:04:36.960 --> 0:04:40.000 has struggled at pitches up in the zone, he struggled 0:04:40.000 --> 0:04:43.480 at pitches down in the zone. He's chasing and expanding 0:04:43.520 --> 0:04:46.560 more than he ever has in his career. And Caleb 0:04:46.600 --> 0:04:49.680 Ferguson throws him a seventy eight mile an hour meatball 0:04:49.800 --> 0:04:51.520 right down the middle with the bases loaded. 0:04:51.800 --> 0:04:53.679 M hmm, yeah, I kind. 0:04:53.480 --> 0:04:57.400 Of thrown that pitch anywhere else and he threw it there. 0:04:57.920 --> 0:05:00.680 Yeah. Yeah, not great, not great at all. 0:05:01.320 --> 0:05:03.839 I really hope that's the pitch that turns around Cal 0:05:03.920 --> 0:05:06.880 Raley season this year. Like Caleb Ferguson's like, all right, 0:05:07.240 --> 0:05:09.680 I'm sick and tired of watching Cal struggle. I might 0:05:09.720 --> 0:05:11.839 as well just take one for the team here and 0:05:11.880 --> 0:05:13.400 help him out a little bit and get him back 0:05:13.440 --> 0:05:15.680 on track. Now, we didn't get two straight days of 0:05:15.720 --> 0:05:19.760 Cal home runs, unfortunately. Have we even gotten two straight 0:05:19.839 --> 0:05:21.520 days of Cal home runs yet this year? 0:05:21.640 --> 0:05:22.320 I don't think so. 0:05:22.480 --> 0:05:24.680 I mean he hasn't had a one time no, I mean. 0:05:24.600 --> 0:05:26.080 He hasn't hit enough of them he's had. 0:05:26.279 --> 0:05:29.839 I mean, that was what his we's sitting at ten 0:05:30.320 --> 0:05:32.960 right now. I'm gonna pull up his game logs. Let's see. 0:05:33.120 --> 0:05:35.320 No, I'm pretty sure he has not had back to 0:05:35.360 --> 0:05:36.440 back days with a home run. 0:05:36.720 --> 0:05:39.599 Well, I was hoping Caleb Ferguson was gonna bless us 0:05:39.760 --> 0:05:43.400 and have have Cal Raley hit home runs back to 0:05:43.440 --> 0:05:46.280 back days. Well, actually, dog, no, he's hit three home 0:05:46.560 --> 0:05:48.680 home runs in three straight games this year. 0:05:48.880 --> 0:05:51.200 Once was that when he was starting to find his 0:05:51.279 --> 0:05:52.520 rhythm before he got hurt again. 0:05:53.080 --> 0:05:56.719 We did it in all three games in or sorry 0:05:56.800 --> 0:06:00.120 at home against the A's, and that was it at 0:06:00.120 --> 0:06:01.880 that point in time, late April. 0:06:02.120 --> 0:06:04.040 Yeah, that sounds about the point where he would look 0:06:04.080 --> 0:06:05.560 like he was starting to figure something out, but then 0:06:05.600 --> 0:06:06.960 he got hurt shortly after that. 0:06:07.080 --> 0:06:10.120 Unfortunately, it's been three months since that point exactly. 0:06:11.560 --> 0:06:12.120 Yeah. 0:06:12.160 --> 0:06:14.040 Wait, oh late April. 0:06:14.200 --> 0:06:18.480 Yeah, it was the April twenty first, twenty second, twenty third, Yeah. 0:06:18.360 --> 0:06:23.320 Yeah, yeah, okay, yeah. Look, Cal walked twice on Tuesday, 0:06:23.480 --> 0:06:26.800 so there are some at bats that are looking a 0:06:26.839 --> 0:06:29.480 lot better, as timing seems to be a little bit 0:06:29.520 --> 0:06:33.600 more on he's working counts. He also had in a 0:06:33.640 --> 0:06:35.679 bat or two on Tuesday that didn't look as great. 0:06:35.880 --> 0:06:39.719 But I let's hope that look at let's hope that 0:06:40.160 --> 0:06:43.520 looking at the positive here, this can spark Cal a 0:06:43.520 --> 0:06:45.800 little bit, because I mean, we're just gonna continue to 0:06:45.839 --> 0:06:46.080 say it. 0:06:46.120 --> 0:06:46.800 And it's true. 0:06:46.960 --> 0:06:49.359 Cal doesn't get going like they're not going to the playoffs. 0:06:49.520 --> 0:06:50.280 It's that simple. 0:06:51.320 --> 0:06:52.960 It doesn't really matter what you do with the deadline 0:06:53.000 --> 0:06:55.320 as well, because no one you're gonna trade for at 0:06:55.360 --> 0:06:59.440 this deadline that's actually available to trade makes the kind 0:06:59.440 --> 0:07:00.800 of impact that Cal Rawley does. 0:07:01.040 --> 0:07:02.440 No, it's that simple. 0:07:02.760 --> 0:07:05.280 I know people were getting really frustrated with Jerry Depoto 0:07:05.320 --> 0:07:07.440 when he sat down with Adam Jude and said that. 0:07:07.920 --> 0:07:09.720 And you can I roll a little bit at the 0:07:09.760 --> 0:07:11.920 sentiment where it's like the best players we can acquire 0:07:11.960 --> 0:07:15.560 are currently on our team. But Jerry's right, that's it 0:07:15.720 --> 0:07:19.840 Like Hot Julio and Col are significantly better than Taylor Ward, 0:07:20.200 --> 0:07:22.760 and that's Taylor Ward's a best case scenario for what 0:07:22.800 --> 0:07:23.400 you acquire. 0:07:24.600 --> 0:07:26.680 Two things are true in general. 0:07:26.760 --> 0:07:28.800 This is not just a Mariner's thing, although Jerry has 0:07:28.840 --> 0:07:31.880 said it his fair share of times and his tenure here, 0:07:32.160 --> 0:07:34.800 but it's true for all gms across Major League Baseball. 0:07:35.000 --> 0:07:37.720 When you spin to your fan base the words of 0:07:38.160 --> 0:07:41.240 we view getting player X back from injury as a 0:07:41.280 --> 0:07:45.040 trade deadline acquisition. I mean, it just makes my blood 0:07:45.480 --> 0:07:49.360 absolutely boil because it's a cop it's a cop out answer. 0:07:49.480 --> 0:07:52.440 It is it's here's an excuse for why we didn't add. 0:07:52.960 --> 0:07:56.440 All that being said, you were right, and Jerry is 0:07:56.520 --> 0:07:59.400 right in this scenario that because of the current state 0:07:59.440 --> 0:08:01.320 of the trademark market and the guys that will and 0:08:01.360 --> 0:08:04.920 will not be available, he is right that there's nobody 0:08:04.920 --> 0:08:07.320 that's going to make the impact that getting Call and 0:08:07.360 --> 0:08:10.480 Julio going would make. There's no nailers on this market. 0:08:10.480 --> 0:08:14.400 There's no genos on this market. The solution is going 0:08:14.480 --> 0:08:16.400 to come internally or it's not gonna come at all. 0:08:16.720 --> 0:08:18.920 You can have players like you can still add and 0:08:18.960 --> 0:08:21.880 they should still add players that will help this roster. 0:08:22.480 --> 0:08:25.560 But the only true changes, the only true, truly like, 0:08:25.600 --> 0:08:26.760 the only true. 0:08:26.440 --> 0:08:30.440 Difference makers post deadline that this team will have is 0:08:30.520 --> 0:08:33.640 Callan Julio getting hot. If those guys don't truly both 0:08:33.679 --> 0:08:36.080 of them don't truly get hot, yeah, you're probably not 0:08:36.120 --> 0:08:36.880 making the playoffs. 0:08:37.679 --> 0:08:40.120 Let's walk through that decision for a minute here. That 0:08:40.960 --> 0:08:43.960 led to cal Rowly hitting that Grand Slam because it 0:08:44.200 --> 0:08:47.440 is a study into whether or not you look at 0:08:47.440 --> 0:08:51.559 the numbers or you're looking at handiness. So if you're 0:08:51.600 --> 0:08:56.439 only looking at handiness, the Reds brought a lefty in 0:08:56.640 --> 0:08:59.480 to intentionally walk a lefty and pinch to a switch 0:08:59.520 --> 0:09:03.000 hitter who's hitting righty. If you look at the numbers, 0:09:03.520 --> 0:09:06.120 you would notice that Dom can Zone in about thirty 0:09:06.320 --> 0:09:09.800 five played appearances against lefties this season. I think it's 0:09:09.840 --> 0:09:13.120 thirty five, maybe it's more than that, has a nine 0:09:13.160 --> 0:09:16.560 to ten OPS against lefties this year, which is really good. 0:09:17.160 --> 0:09:19.760 On the other side, Cal Rawley when facing lefties this 0:09:19.840 --> 0:09:23.480 year has an OPS of four sixty So like it 0:09:23.520 --> 0:09:27.760 doesn't look right with the eye test. Technically, the Reds 0:09:28.080 --> 0:09:32.640 made the right decision by the numbers, but that is 0:09:32.679 --> 0:09:37.120 a scenario where you can lean away from the numbers 0:09:37.160 --> 0:09:41.760 when it doesn't really feel right. Dude, dilay that out right. 0:09:42.240 --> 0:09:44.200 I get what you're saying, and I'm sure people listening 0:09:44.280 --> 0:09:46.719 get what you're saying. But yeah, Cal's got a four 0:09:46.760 --> 0:09:49.560 to sixty two OPS against left handed pitching this year. 0:09:49.600 --> 0:09:50.680 It's been a struggle for him. 0:09:51.360 --> 0:09:54.880 And I would say this because Terry Francona I don't 0:09:54.880 --> 0:09:56.880 know if you guys all saw or if you saw tech, 0:09:57.000 --> 0:10:00.600 but he did say on Tuesday, look, I'd do it again. 0:10:01.200 --> 0:10:03.160 And there will be people that don't agree with him 0:10:03.200 --> 0:10:05.720 on that, and I get it, because again, loading the 0:10:05.720 --> 0:10:08.040 bases in general for cal Raley seems like an odd 0:10:08.040 --> 0:10:10.360 move when can Zone does not have a long history 0:10:10.360 --> 0:10:13.400 of success against lefties, though he's now showing a short. 0:10:13.160 --> 0:10:14.040 History of success. 0:10:14.800 --> 0:10:18.080 But all that being said by Francona saying I do 0:10:18.160 --> 0:10:21.320 it again, that means that he is a manager, and 0:10:21.360 --> 0:10:23.480 a manager that's clearly had a lot of success in 0:10:23.520 --> 0:10:26.360 his big league career, which he has where he says, 0:10:26.880 --> 0:10:29.840 this is my process and it's not gonna work every time, 0:10:30.240 --> 0:10:31.319 but I'm sticking to it. 0:10:31.800 --> 0:10:33.640 He is conviction in his process. 0:10:33.760 --> 0:10:36.240 It didn't work in that scenario, but he clearly had 0:10:36.240 --> 0:10:39.320 a process and a conviction. There's a certain manager across 0:10:39.360 --> 0:10:41.320 the dugout who doesn't seem to have a lot of 0:10:41.360 --> 0:10:43.280 conviction in his decisions, and we can get to that 0:10:43.320 --> 0:10:46.000 in a couple minutes. But I do give Tito credit 0:10:46.040 --> 0:10:50.520 for that. While it certainly made some people scratch their 0:10:50.559 --> 0:10:52.920 heads for every good reason and that one did not work, 0:10:53.520 --> 0:10:56.840 he has a conviction behind his decisions. He explains it, 0:10:57.200 --> 0:10:58.199 and he sticks to it. 0:11:00.280 --> 0:11:03.760 Someone was joking to us today at the ballpark that 0:11:03.760 --> 0:11:06.880 that is the kind of decision an AI bot would 0:11:06.880 --> 0:11:10.880 make in a baseball game. So, because there was the 0:11:10.960 --> 0:11:15.080 story this week about MLB cracking down on teams using 0:11:15.120 --> 0:11:18.959 AI in the dugout to help themselves, and someone came 0:11:19.040 --> 0:11:20.640 up to us today and we were talking about that 0:11:20.720 --> 0:11:23.880 decision and was kind of joking like, yeah, you know, 0:11:25.040 --> 0:11:28.120 because you obviously don't have total control over it. It's 0:11:28.280 --> 0:11:31.199 something completely different from your own brain thinking and making 0:11:31.240 --> 0:11:33.520 this decision. It's like, yeah, it doesn't really make much 0:11:33.559 --> 0:11:35.400 sense if you look at it like on the eyeballs 0:11:35.400 --> 0:11:36.880 and you kind of have to dive into the numbers 0:11:36.880 --> 0:11:38.560 to see, you how did it come to this decision? 0:11:39.120 --> 0:11:39.360 Right? 0:11:40.240 --> 0:11:44.120 And again there was there was a process behind the decision. 0:11:44.960 --> 0:11:47.920 So I think I think both sides have an argument 0:11:47.960 --> 0:11:49.960 to this one. To be honest, it is totally fine 0:11:50.000 --> 0:11:52.240 and totally warranted. If you're gonna scratch your head and say, 0:11:52.320 --> 0:11:53.800 why in the world would they set that up for 0:11:53.880 --> 0:11:56.679 cal Raley, But there's also some numbers that back that up. 0:11:57.200 --> 0:11:59.599 Yeah, all right, so let's talk about some of the 0:11:59.640 --> 0:12:02.040 other in this Red series before we get to a 0:12:02.080 --> 0:12:05.839 fantastic conversation with Joe Doyle where we talk about Ace Rees, 0:12:06.040 --> 0:12:09.640 Jake Brown and many others. Acees at the ballpark today 0:12:09.640 --> 0:12:13.000 at Timobi Park here on Tuesday along with Lyle. Who's 0:12:13.040 --> 0:12:13.319 he with? 0:12:14.320 --> 0:12:16.800 Oh, he was with Scottie. He was with Scott Boris. 0:12:17.200 --> 0:12:19.000 Second summer in a row. He's made the trip out 0:12:19.000 --> 0:12:19.880 to Tamobile Park. 0:12:20.280 --> 0:12:22.480 I'll say he's got a recurring flight booked for his 0:12:23.240 --> 0:12:24.800 clients when they signed in Seattle. 0:12:25.160 --> 0:12:28.079 Well, he doesn't make many other trips out And I'm 0:12:28.120 --> 0:12:30.119 sure Scott Boris travels to other parks. 0:12:29.920 --> 0:12:32.120 During the year, but he doesn't get to say outtle 0:12:32.160 --> 0:12:32.600 that much. 0:12:33.400 --> 0:12:35.640 Low and I knew Kate Anderson last year was a 0:12:35.640 --> 0:12:38.520 Scott Boris guy. Wow, we had no idea. 0:12:38.760 --> 0:12:41.200 I thought we did now, not till we walked into 0:12:41.240 --> 0:12:43.920 that room for the presser and we saw. 0:12:43.760 --> 0:12:45.600 His name tag and we're like, oh, I thought we did. 0:12:46.320 --> 0:12:49.280 We walked into the room, we were fired up and 0:12:49.280 --> 0:12:52.360 elated about the Kate Anderson pick. Still we look up 0:12:52.400 --> 0:12:54.920 at the at the front of the room, we see 0:12:54.920 --> 0:12:57.160 a Scott Boris name tag. Then we look at each 0:12:57.160 --> 0:13:00.440 other and say, oh, well, when his service clocks starts, 0:13:00.520 --> 0:13:04.199 let's enjoy the six years and then he's gone. 0:13:05.280 --> 0:13:07.559 So you can imagine Laala and I's surprise today when 0:13:07.600 --> 0:13:10.160 we walked into the ballpark and we see this guy 0:13:10.320 --> 0:13:14.600 in a green suit jacket walking around, standing on the 0:13:14.640 --> 0:13:18.080 warning track and talking. He's like, oh, he's back. 0:13:18.679 --> 0:13:19.240 He's back. 0:13:22.000 --> 0:13:24.600 So anyways, we talked about Ace Reese and many others 0:13:24.600 --> 0:13:27.040 in the Maritor's draft class with Joe Doyle. I mean, 0:13:27.760 --> 0:13:28.760 we'll get to it in a little bit. 0:13:28.840 --> 0:13:30.079 We will get to it in a little bit. 0:13:30.120 --> 0:13:33.040 And also a little transparency again, people are interested in 0:13:33.040 --> 0:13:35.520 the peek behind the curtains. We actually met Scott Boris 0:13:35.520 --> 0:13:37.440 for the first time today, Like we actually went and 0:13:37.920 --> 0:13:41.679 said what's up briefly, I mean, if you'll want more 0:13:41.720 --> 0:13:45.320 further transparency, we've kind of we've kind of put some 0:13:45.400 --> 0:13:49.360 feelers out there about if you'd ever want to get 0:13:49.360 --> 0:13:51.440 on the Bullpen Banner channel with us and do some 0:13:51.480 --> 0:13:55.560 baseball trivia. And I will say not a total no. 0:13:56.080 --> 0:13:58.320 It's not a no. Yeah that's important. It's not a no. 0:13:58.720 --> 0:14:03.160 Like like like put potential potential progress being made. It's 0:14:03.160 --> 0:14:06.800 not gonna it's not gonna happen tomorrow, but there's been 0:14:06.800 --> 0:14:07.680 some progress made. 0:14:08.320 --> 0:14:10.320 I like, listen, you can feel how you want. 0:14:10.160 --> 0:14:11.520 About him, But I think that would be a pretty 0:14:11.520 --> 0:14:13.200 interesting person to do baseball trivia with. 0:14:14.160 --> 0:14:16.120 Definitely knows his baseball, that's for sure. 0:14:16.320 --> 0:14:18.760 Yeah, and likes and likes to talk, which makes him 0:14:18.760 --> 0:14:20.080 a perfect person for the channel. 0:14:20.760 --> 0:14:22.720 He did a lot of talking today, well, and I 0:14:22.760 --> 0:14:25.560 were standing and observing he was doing a lot of talking. 0:14:25.720 --> 0:14:25.960 Yeah. 0:14:26.000 --> 0:14:27.440 If I mean, if we had caught him earlier in 0:14:27.480 --> 0:14:29.680 the day, maybe there would have been more than a conversation. 0:14:29.720 --> 0:14:31.160 But we caught him right at the end as he's 0:14:31.160 --> 0:14:33.600 starting to wrap up for a minute or two. Hell, 0:14:33.680 --> 0:14:36.080 if we had actually gotten into a full fledged conversation. 0:14:36.160 --> 0:14:39.560 We joke that be like, hey man, I'm looking forward 0:14:39.560 --> 0:14:41.960 to the twenty thirty. 0:14:41.760 --> 0:14:43.040 Four Winter meetings. 0:14:43.400 --> 0:14:46.160 When you have your press conference as Ace Reese hits 0:14:46.200 --> 0:14:50.800 free agency and you say, listen, the only more valuable 0:14:50.880 --> 0:14:53.800 hand in a deck than a king is an ace. 0:14:54.280 --> 0:14:56.440 As Ace Reese has hit sets a hit free agency 0:14:56.480 --> 0:14:57.360 and make money. 0:14:57.840 --> 0:15:00.240 Did all these teams, all these teams want to want 0:15:00.280 --> 0:15:02.760 a king for their castle. But the only thing better 0:15:02.760 --> 0:15:04.160 than a king, it's an ace. 0:15:04.480 --> 0:15:07.160 Yeah, that quote will be said in the next eight 0:15:07.200 --> 0:15:07.840 to ten years. 0:15:08.240 --> 0:15:11.840 Yeah, okay, let's get to Let's get to these other 0:15:11.880 --> 0:15:15.840 things before we get to Joe. The starting pitching decisions 0:15:15.840 --> 0:15:18.520 in this Red Series were a little puzzling, to say 0:15:18.560 --> 0:15:21.760 the least. So George Kirby is rolling along on Monday, 0:15:21.800 --> 0:15:25.560 gets to eighty pitches through six innings. Dan Wilson decides 0:15:25.600 --> 0:15:28.880 to take George Kirby out at eighty pitches and then 0:15:28.920 --> 0:15:31.760 they go to Nick Davila with a one nothing lead 0:15:31.800 --> 0:15:33.800 for the Mariners in that moment. Of course, the Mariners 0:15:33.880 --> 0:15:36.400 end up hang on and winning. Davila gets himself out 0:15:36.400 --> 0:15:38.840 of some trouble in the seventh inning, but it was 0:15:39.040 --> 0:15:40.880 kind of puzzling, to say the least, to see George 0:15:40.920 --> 0:15:44.640 Kirby get yanked that early. Then the Mariners go to 0:15:45.520 --> 0:15:48.360 Luis Castillo tonight and they let Louis pitch to one 0:15:48.400 --> 0:15:54.840 hundred pitches into the seventh inning and the Mariners okay, 0:15:54.880 --> 0:15:57.080 and then the okay. So then the order after that 0:15:57.320 --> 0:16:00.720 was then Farrer and then Rutgery have that right. 0:16:01.360 --> 0:16:05.080 Which I mean, first off, look at this face. Does 0:16:05.080 --> 0:16:06.480 this face look like somebody. 0:16:06.480 --> 0:16:08.080 I was looking at my camera and not my screen. 0:16:08.160 --> 0:16:10.400 I didn't I didn't see that the scowl on Miles 0:16:10.520 --> 0:16:13.360 face as I'm talking through Dan Wilson decisions. 0:16:13.480 --> 0:16:16.280 Does this look like a face of somebody that was 0:16:17.040 --> 0:16:20.560 pleased or impressed with the full pen decisions over the 0:16:20.640 --> 0:16:21.200 last couple days. 0:16:21.240 --> 0:16:21.960 No, I'm gonna go with no. 0:16:22.600 --> 0:16:26.920 I would say we were both equally confused on both days. 0:16:27.120 --> 0:16:29.400 The Kirby one had me a little bit more confused, 0:16:29.440 --> 0:16:32.720 given that they're talking about they need to get these 0:16:32.720 --> 0:16:36.400 guys more rest, which is fine, So they go to 0:16:36.440 --> 0:16:39.920 a six man rotation. George Kirby, I believe, if I 0:16:39.960 --> 0:16:42.800 have it right, pitched once in the last one other 0:16:42.880 --> 0:16:46.040 time in the last three weeks, but they pulled him 0:16:46.040 --> 0:16:49.120 at eighty pitches after six innings. 0:16:49.680 --> 0:16:53.280 So let's start with the Kirby decision, and I'll preface 0:16:53.320 --> 0:16:57.200 it with this. Ultimately, it doesn't matter for that game specifically, 0:16:57.520 --> 0:17:01.160 because the offense ended up just coming alive late and 0:17:01.200 --> 0:17:03.560 they won by a lot and cal Raley hit the 0:17:03.560 --> 0:17:07.760 Grand Slam, and that's great. We're gonna get to the 0:17:07.800 --> 0:17:10.320 overall theme of this team a little bit later, which is, 0:17:10.600 --> 0:17:12.200 I mean, i'll preview it here now for a second, 0:17:12.280 --> 0:17:14.639 which is, you can do whatever you want against the 0:17:14.680 --> 0:17:17.800 Giants and the Reds. You win both of these series, awesome, 0:17:18.040 --> 0:17:20.280 you're winning games and telling it to your win total. 0:17:21.640 --> 0:17:26.520 But what you do against last place teams isn't gonna 0:17:26.560 --> 0:17:29.880 be what defines your season. You've got some really important 0:17:29.880 --> 0:17:31.960 games coming up that you're gonna have to play a 0:17:31.960 --> 0:17:34.000 lot better than this and have a much sound, much 0:17:34.000 --> 0:17:35.800 more sound decision making process than this. 0:17:36.160 --> 0:17:37.879 And it boils down to this again. 0:17:38.200 --> 0:17:41.320 Between Monday, despite winning, and between Tuesday, which we'll get 0:17:41.320 --> 0:17:44.359 to in a minute, the overall process is still a 0:17:44.440 --> 0:17:48.840 massive problem and is making my head explode. It doesn't 0:17:48.880 --> 0:17:53.280 make any sense, and parlayed with there are still no 0:17:53.440 --> 0:17:56.120 answers given to any of it, not actual answers. 0:17:56.720 --> 0:17:57.640 George Kirkby on. 0:17:57.600 --> 0:18:00.960 Monday, to your point, is pulled at eighty pitches after 0:18:02.160 --> 0:18:06.199 having one start in three weeks, and paired with the 0:18:06.240 --> 0:18:09.200 fact that having Spire and Bizardo down on Monday, having 0:18:09.240 --> 0:18:12.560 thrown back to back days, you have got to cover innings, man, 0:18:12.840 --> 0:18:15.800 You've got to cover innings throughout those nine innings, and 0:18:15.920 --> 0:18:18.879 all of a sudden he's yanked at eighty pitches with 0:18:19.040 --> 0:18:22.200 two leverage relievers down, and then you have to go 0:18:22.240 --> 0:18:24.840 to the guys at the back of your bullpen in 0:18:24.920 --> 0:18:29.119 the seventh and eighth and ninth inning in a situation 0:18:29.240 --> 0:18:31.160 that at the start of that whole thing, the game 0:18:31.280 --> 0:18:33.480 was close. Credit in the world to the offense because 0:18:33.520 --> 0:18:35.960 they put it out of hand. But to start that 0:18:36.040 --> 0:18:40.480 whole process, you're deciding that a starter at eighty pitches 0:18:40.720 --> 0:18:43.880 is just done so you can go to the back 0:18:43.920 --> 0:18:48.479 of your bullpen with leverage arms down. How does that 0:18:48.520 --> 0:18:52.600 make any sense? And it doesn't make any sense. And 0:18:52.640 --> 0:18:55.040 when you're running a six man rotation, which they are 0:18:55.160 --> 0:18:57.720 still deciding to do, by the way, because they won't 0:18:57.720 --> 0:19:00.879 make a definitive decision about anybody in this rota because 0:19:00.920 --> 0:19:04.280 clearly it seems like they want to trade somebody. Then 0:19:04.640 --> 0:19:07.479 while you're running the six man rotation, you have got 0:19:07.520 --> 0:19:09.800 to get length out of your starters. 0:19:10.520 --> 0:19:14.440 And your starter in Kirby, was at eighty pitches. Why 0:19:14.520 --> 0:19:15.840 is he being yanked? 0:19:18.000 --> 0:19:21.640 I don't know. That doesn't make There's two options. Either 0:19:21.720 --> 0:19:24.680 the team was trying to rest him, which I guess 0:19:24.720 --> 0:19:28.080