1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,400 Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and buck 2 00:00:03,440 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. 3 00:00:05,680 --> 00:00:08,960 Speaker 2: Welcome in hour number two, Monday edition, Clay Travis Buck 4 00:00:09,039 --> 00:00:13,000 Speaker 2: Sexton Show, the last day of July. We have got 5 00:00:13,119 --> 00:00:15,560 Speaker 2: much still to come with you. Our good friend Alex 6 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:18,640 Speaker 2: Berenson going to join you at the bottom of the hour. 7 00:00:18,880 --> 00:00:23,239 Speaker 2: I would say, as a journalist covering COVID, no one 8 00:00:23,320 --> 00:00:27,120 Speaker 2: got more right than Alex Berenson did. What's going on 9 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:31,640 Speaker 2: now we will discuss that with him. Lots more coming 10 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:37,200 Speaker 2: your way as well. But as we are speaking, Hunter 11 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:44,239 Speaker 2: Biden's ex business partner, Devin Archer testifying meeting with lawmakers 12 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:49,280 Speaker 2: to lay out Joe Biden's potential involvement alongside of Hunter 13 00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:52,560 Speaker 2: in many of the business deals that Devin Archer himself 14 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:58,680 Speaker 2: was involved in as well. The expectation is that there will, soon, 15 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:03,120 Speaker 2: I would imagine, be a transcript released of the comments 16 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:07,399 Speaker 2: that he made under oath in the House, and that 17 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:12,399 Speaker 2: will accelerate in many ways the impeachment inquiry into Joe 18 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:17,039 Speaker 2: Biden based on millions of dollars I've seen. I saw 19 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 2: our friend Nancy Macebuck say that she thought, before all 20 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:23,440 Speaker 2: was said and done, that potentially the bidens were paid 21 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:27,080 Speaker 2: fifty million dollars right now, I believe we're close to 22 00:01:27,160 --> 00:01:30,560 Speaker 2: twenty million that they've been able to track. That's an 23 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:35,920 Speaker 2: unbelievable amount of money to be paid and compensated. Again, 24 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:40,000 Speaker 2: what was Bisma, the Ukrainian energy company getting, What was 25 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:44,120 Speaker 2: the Chinese Communist Party getting? All of that beginning to 26 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:46,920 Speaker 2: be told, and we will give you the latest on 27 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:51,360 Speaker 2: that as more of these informational points on Devin Archer 28 00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:51,920 Speaker 2: comes out. 29 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:56,000 Speaker 3: It seems I'm trying to make sure we may have 30 00:01:56,920 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 3: some breaking news here coming up on the hunt, the 31 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:06,080 Speaker 3: Devin Archer slash Hunter Biden situation. But as we know, 32 00:02:06,160 --> 00:02:11,920 Speaker 3: he's facing he's facing a completely unrelated fraud charge and 33 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:14,560 Speaker 3: could get sent to federal prison for some period of 34 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:16,520 Speaker 3: time on that unrelated meaning to anything having to do 35 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:20,720 Speaker 3: with Hunter Biden. But that's why that letter, I mean, 36 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:24,959 Speaker 3: can you imagine he's he's going Now, Look, maybe part 37 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:27,880 Speaker 3: of the play here is he comes out and speaks 38 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:32,400 Speaker 3: the truth, a certain somebody becomes President Clay and not 39 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:35,080 Speaker 3: only does he get out early, although it depends on 40 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:37,919 Speaker 3: what kind of sentence, that's an interesting play. Yeah, or 41 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:40,360 Speaker 3: but he might get a pardon because as you know, 42 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:42,480 Speaker 3: even if you go to federal prison for one year 43 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:45,440 Speaker 3: on a felony, you know, you cannot have a license 44 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:48,760 Speaker 3: to trade securities, you cannot be a lawyer, you'll be disbarred, 45 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 3: you cannot vote. You know, there's all kinds of things 46 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:54,480 Speaker 3: that that can come with that loss of rights and 47 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:55,679 Speaker 3: obviously loss of reputation. 48 00:02:56,639 --> 00:02:58,639 Speaker 1: So you know, part of the play here. 49 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:02,320 Speaker 3: Think about think of all of the chips going into 50 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:06,040 Speaker 3: the middle of the table here with the Trump Biden 51 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:09,760 Speaker 3: showdown that is emerging at this point. I mean, you've 52 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:13,679 Speaker 3: got either side could could end up. I mean, let's 53 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 3: be let's be honest. I know that people say there's 54 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:17,760 Speaker 3: no chance Trump will ever be convicted, but I mean, 55 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:19,120 Speaker 3: I don't think you can say that right. 56 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:21,800 Speaker 1: No one knows. They're clearly bringing these charges. 57 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:25,800 Speaker 3: Either side could end up with criminal liability as a 58 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:27,640 Speaker 3: result of losing the election. 59 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:29,919 Speaker 1: Joe Biden included, I'm. 60 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:33,400 Speaker 2: Down in Atlanta right now, Buck, and there is expectation 61 00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:36,560 Speaker 2: potentially that there's going to be charges filed here in 62 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:39,760 Speaker 2: the city of Atlanta in the state of Georgia soon. 63 00:03:40,760 --> 00:03:42,840 Speaker 2: And on top of that, as if that were not 64 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:46,840 Speaker 2: crazy enough, at any moment, we could have an indictment 65 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:50,880 Speaker 2: coming down associated with January sixth as well. And in 66 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:54,120 Speaker 2: spite of all that, Pole came out this morning. I 67 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:55,880 Speaker 2: want to hit you with a couple of different stories. 68 00:03:55,920 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 2: Buck and I were texting and talking about that this 69 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:03,360 Speaker 2: early year in the morning. And there are several things 70 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 2: that are just incredible about the polling. So let's start here. 71 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:11,280 Speaker 2: New York Times comes out with a poll that Trump 72 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 2: is crushing DeSantis and everyone else right now. 73 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:15,240 Speaker 1: Now. 74 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:18,200 Speaker 2: To be fair, this is a national poll. Trump has 75 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:22,360 Speaker 2: fifty four percent support in the Republican poll the New 76 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:28,320 Speaker 2: York Times released today, Ron DeSantis at seventeen percent, nobody 77 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:32,200 Speaker 2: else above three percent. Mike Penses three percent, Tim Scott, 78 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 2: Nikki Hayley, the vek Ramaswami and Chris Christy are two percent. Basically, 79 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:43,320 Speaker 2: it's Trump and then a big gap, a thirty seven 80 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:47,840 Speaker 2: point lead over Ron DeSantis right now now. But there 81 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:49,599 Speaker 2: were a bunch of things that jumped out at me 82 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:54,800 Speaker 2: about this poll. But U one, there's a quote in 83 00:04:54,839 --> 00:04:58,520 Speaker 2: the article from a man named David Green, sixty nine 84 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:01,520 Speaker 2: years old in summers Worth, New Hampshire. It would not 85 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:04,560 Speaker 2: shock me if he occasionally listens to the show He 86 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:08,080 Speaker 2: was asked why he's supporting Trump, and this is his quote. 87 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:11,440 Speaker 2: He might say mean things and make all the men 88 00:05:11,640 --> 00:05:16,000 Speaker 2: cry because all the men are wearing your wife's underpants, 89 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:19,160 Speaker 2: and you can't be a man anymore. You got to 90 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:22,880 Speaker 2: be a little sissy and cry about everything. But at 91 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:26,080 Speaker 2: the end of the day, you want results. Donald Trump's 92 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:31,080 Speaker 2: my guy. He's proved it on a national level. Now here, Bluck, 93 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:33,680 Speaker 2: I want to hit you with these. These are specific 94 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:36,760 Speaker 2: questions asked of Republican primary voters. 95 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:38,640 Speaker 1: Who is the strongest leader? 96 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:42,599 Speaker 2: This is Trump or DeSantis sixty nine percent to twenty 97 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:46,400 Speaker 2: two percent. Trump is the stronger leader, Get things done 98 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:51,479 Speaker 2: sixty seven to twenty two percent. Trump able to beat 99 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:57,240 Speaker 2: Joe Biden fifty eight percent Trump twenty eight percent DeSantis. 100 00:05:57,480 --> 00:05:59,240 Speaker 2: But this is the one that jumped out at me 101 00:05:59,279 --> 00:06:04,679 Speaker 2: the most. Buck fun. Who is more fun? Donald Trump 102 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:12,560 Speaker 2: fifty four percent, Ron DeSantis sixteen percent. I can't believe 103 00:06:12,640 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 2: that more people don't talk about this. But Trump is 104 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:23,080 Speaker 2: wildly entertaining to the Republican base, and that margin is 105 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:28,320 Speaker 2: basically the margin overall. Trump has a lot of fun. 106 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:33,800 Speaker 2: I think the DeSantis campaign so far has been serious 107 00:06:34,520 --> 00:06:39,200 Speaker 2: and not particularly joyful. Or spontaneous, and as a result, 108 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:43,240 Speaker 2: Trump is just crushing Ron DeSantis just on the question 109 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:46,480 Speaker 2: of who is more fun, and I think that's ultimately 110 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:50,480 Speaker 2: why DeSantis is having so much trouble punching through Ooka. 111 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 3: I listened today to DeSantis's economic plan on my way 112 00:06:57,240 --> 00:07:00,440 Speaker 3: into the studio, so I heard what he was laying 113 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:05,480 Speaker 3: out and everything that he is is putting forward. I 114 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:09,240 Speaker 3: think every Republican, every conservative in this audience would nod 115 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:12,240 Speaker 3: their head. Economically, they would say, yeah, that's good, that's smart. 116 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:14,760 Speaker 3: I like that, that's you know, and you know, that's 117 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:18,280 Speaker 3: a good idea. Let's do that. But I think what's 118 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:22,200 Speaker 3: happening here is, on the one hand, there's just Trump 119 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:25,280 Speaker 3: is the greatest political show on earth still far, none, 120 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:28,520 Speaker 3: no question, just as a show right, as a as 121 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:33,240 Speaker 3: a draw, and that hasn't changed. People haven't tired of 122 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 3: it the way that maybe some had anticipated after the 123 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:39,200 Speaker 3: twenty twenty election and everything that happened. 124 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:40,560 Speaker 1: That's one part of it. 125 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:43,920 Speaker 3: But also I think people are increasingly seeing this or 126 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:45,400 Speaker 3: at least let's be honest. 127 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 1: I mean, let's look at the numbers. 128 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:50,080 Speaker 3: Half of the Republican base looks at the situation and 129 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 3: this is based on the polling. I'm not just it's 130 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:54,920 Speaker 3: really more or less fifty percent of people on the 131 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:57,320 Speaker 3: GEOP side are all in for Trump, and that number 132 00:07:57,320 --> 00:08:00,400 Speaker 3: seems durable. That numbers seems constant. Maybe it's fifty five, 133 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 3: maybe it's you know, fifty one, but whatever it is, 134 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:05,960 Speaker 3: it's around there. And they see this as a clash 135 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:11,960 Speaker 3: of a clash of champions for a broader cause and 136 00:08:12,040 --> 00:08:15,800 Speaker 3: a movement and not a policy fight. Meaning they see 137 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:18,680 Speaker 3: this as a bare knuckle brawl for the soul of 138 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 3: the country. And so the policies, the who's going to 139 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:24,840 Speaker 3: do what at the border, how is this going to 140 00:08:24,880 --> 00:08:26,960 Speaker 3: shake out for the economy, what's the tax rate going 141 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:29,760 Speaker 3: to be? All of that gets pushed too, pushed, a 142 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:34,559 Speaker 3: pushed aside, for this is the guy that they cannot 143 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:38,360 Speaker 3: break and the throw They are throwing absolutely everything at Trump, 144 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:41,880 Speaker 3: and he just keeps on coming. So I think that 145 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:44,360 Speaker 3: this is the phenomenon that's unfolding before us, and now 146 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:47,440 Speaker 3: this brings us to a Democrat. It is clear that 147 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:50,640 Speaker 3: the indictments have solidified. There may be was some question 148 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:53,040 Speaker 3: about that Clay right, are people going to get tired 149 00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:53,319 Speaker 3: of this? 150 00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:57,160 Speaker 1: We don't have to do this maybe well. 151 00:08:56,880 --> 00:08:59,120 Speaker 3: Half of again, it's only half half of this audience 152 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:01,839 Speaker 3: by the statistics, the numbers is saying, I kind of 153 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:03,640 Speaker 3: wish it was somebody else, but I'll still vote for 154 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:06,640 Speaker 3: Trump half based on the polling, or like it's all 155 00:09:06,679 --> 00:09:08,960 Speaker 3: in for Trump. And when you're in a primary fifty percent, 156 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:11,680 Speaker 3: when there are, however many candidates there are, that's a 157 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:15,679 Speaker 3: dominant lead, perhaps an unassailable lead. The question then becomes, 158 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:19,559 Speaker 3: do they deliver the primary to Trump and hobble him 159 00:09:19,559 --> 00:09:22,320 Speaker 3: for the general. I think the Democrats are making a 160 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:25,000 Speaker 3: case on this one. The question is are they wrong? 161 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:28,920 Speaker 3: Are they wrong? Thirty seven point lead? 162 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:29,800 Speaker 1: Uh buck? 163 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:33,720 Speaker 2: No one has ever at this stage, as we're sitting 164 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:37,120 Speaker 2: five and a half months before the voting starts in Iowa, 165 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:40,360 Speaker 2: no one in the modern history of the New York 166 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:43,760 Speaker 2: Times poll, which is fifty years of data, has ever 167 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:48,040 Speaker 2: come back from more than a twenty point deficit. And 168 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:50,599 Speaker 2: we're sitting at thirty seven. I think ten is the 169 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 2: biggest anybody's ever come back to. And they pointed to 170 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:57,320 Speaker 2: in eight Barack Obama was down pretty substantially at this 171 00:09:57,400 --> 00:10:01,560 Speaker 2: point in time, and in eight, meaning in two thousand 172 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:04,640 Speaker 2: and seven, leading into two thousand and eight. John McCain 173 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:07,640 Speaker 2: was also down. There's a bunch here in this polling, 174 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:09,760 Speaker 2: and we'll get to the CNN as well, Buck, but 175 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:11,840 Speaker 2: this is the part that really stood out to me. 176 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:18,240 Speaker 2: Fifty four to sixteen, Trump is more fun than DeSantis, 177 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:24,160 Speaker 2: but Buck, forty five to forty three, the Republican electorate 178 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:29,559 Speaker 2: finds DeSantis more likable. So there's a huge segment out 179 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:33,480 Speaker 2: there that I'm kind of really intrigued by that doesn't 180 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:37,400 Speaker 2: like Trump as much as they like DeSantis, but finds 181 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:40,680 Speaker 2: him far more fun. And I just think that incongruity 182 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:45,920 Speaker 2: is really interesting and difficult for the DeSantis camp to 183 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:51,400 Speaker 2: attack because they're actually more likable. And also the majority 184 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:55,560 Speaker 2: says that DeSantis is more moral, but Trump is more 185 00:10:55,679 --> 00:10:58,280 Speaker 2: fun and they think Trump will do a better job. 186 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:01,320 Speaker 2: And the other part on this Spock, that stands out, 187 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:04,200 Speaker 2: and we need to really I think maybe even tomorrow, 188 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:05,800 Speaker 2: we can spend a bunch of time on this, because 189 00:11:05,800 --> 00:11:07,439 Speaker 2: we've said it on this show, but I don't think 190 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:10,000 Speaker 2: most in the modern media out there have discussed it. 191 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:14,439 Speaker 2: Trump is in a stronger position to be re elected 192 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:19,959 Speaker 2: president today than he ever was in twenty sixteen or 193 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:23,480 Speaker 2: in twenty twenty. When you look at the polling data 194 00:11:23,559 --> 00:11:28,599 Speaker 2: out there, Trump right now today as we speak, stronger 195 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:33,200 Speaker 2: than any time he ever was in sixteen or in twenty. 196 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:36,679 Speaker 3: Well, well, let's let's look at this right What assuming 197 00:11:36,679 --> 00:11:41,560 Speaker 3: that number is fifty percent, what kind of numbers would 198 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:43,400 Speaker 3: he have to lose in terms of support? I mean, 199 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:47,560 Speaker 3: is it plausible that Trump is going to lose twenty 200 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:50,480 Speaker 3: or thirty percent of that support over the next six months. 201 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:53,280 Speaker 3: No one can predict the futures, I always say, but 202 00:11:53,400 --> 00:11:56,080 Speaker 3: it does seem, as a matter of history and as 203 00:11:56,120 --> 00:11:59,679 Speaker 3: a matter of statistics, highly highly improbable because it has 204 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:01,560 Speaker 3: not had happened in recent memory. I mean, you talked 205 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:05,920 Speaker 3: about some of the numbers that have been overcome in 206 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:08,920 Speaker 3: the past, and I do think that this is what 207 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:13,280 Speaker 3: has changed. The only thing that has changed really is well, 208 00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:15,640 Speaker 3: one that isn't his campaign. And people have seen the 209 00:12:15,679 --> 00:12:17,679 Speaker 3: campaign and they have passed judgment on it. Some of 210 00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:19,600 Speaker 3: the basis pass judgment on it. That is a part 211 00:12:19,640 --> 00:12:22,480 Speaker 3: of this, and there's a reset going on. Is that 212 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:25,440 Speaker 3: reset enough that people feel like, okay, maybe some stumbles 213 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:26,720 Speaker 3: in the beginning, but lessons learned. 214 00:12:26,920 --> 00:12:27,440 Speaker 1: We'll see. 215 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 3: But beyond that what they are doing against Trump is 216 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:35,640 Speaker 3: so crazy and so over the top that I think 217 00:12:35,679 --> 00:12:40,560 Speaker 3: a lot of GOP based voters are saying to themselves, 218 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:45,520 Speaker 3: this is now just it's like an obligation to the 219 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:49,480 Speaker 3: country to refuse to bend the need of this. You know, 220 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:53,680 Speaker 3: there's this intransigence that is building, this sense of the 221 00:12:53,800 --> 00:12:59,640 Speaker 3: immovable righteous force here of we're not going to allow 222 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:04,200 Speaker 3: them to crush Donald Trump because they're so you know, 223 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 3: they hate him so much, they are so opposed to him, 224 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:09,880 Speaker 3: and so this is why I think it's very hard 225 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:12,560 Speaker 3: to persuade people otherwise, because it's not even like Trump 226 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:15,280 Speaker 3: has really done very much in terms of campaigning. You know, 227 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:18,000 Speaker 3: it's not like there's a what are the new ideas? 228 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:20,600 Speaker 3: There really aren't a ton of new ideas. There's old 229 00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:23,360 Speaker 3: Trump ideas that he says he'll finish this time around, 230 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:28,960 Speaker 3: or he'll you know, drain the swamp, and you promises 231 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:29,680 Speaker 3: that he made before. 232 00:13:30,760 --> 00:13:34,400 Speaker 2: Here's here's a distillation of what you're saying, Buck. In 233 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:38,000 Speaker 2: the head to head matchup, Trump is winning on both 234 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:39,800 Speaker 2: sides of almost every issue. 235 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:40,920 Speaker 1: Let me give you some example. 236 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:45,280 Speaker 2: Republicans who accept transgender people as the gender they identify 237 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:48,800 Speaker 2: with and those who not who do not. Trump wins 238 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:53,640 Speaker 2: republicans who believe abortion should always be legal, and among 239 00:13:53,679 --> 00:13:57,880 Speaker 2: those who believe it should always be illegal, for people 240 00:13:57,880 --> 00:14:01,880 Speaker 2: who want to fight won't corporates and those who prefer 241 00:14:02,160 --> 00:14:05,960 Speaker 2: that people stay out of businesses, Among those who want 242 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:09,440 Speaker 2: to send more military and economic aid to Ukraine, and 243 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:11,120 Speaker 2: among those who do not. 244 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:12,880 Speaker 1: Among those who want. 245 00:14:12,679 --> 00:14:15,760 Speaker 2: To keep Social Security and Medicare benefits as they are, 246 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:18,559 Speaker 2: and among those who want to take steps to reduce 247 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:22,720 Speaker 2: the budget deficit. In other words, buck Trump is winning 248 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:26,880 Speaker 2: on both sides of every issue, which makes it very 249 00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:30,360 Speaker 2: hard to attack him and gain ground on a policy 250 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:33,360 Speaker 2: perspective because he's winning in every direction. 251 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:37,280 Speaker 1: It's pretty wild, it is. What do you think is 252 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:40,040 Speaker 1: going on here? What do you see happening? Light us 253 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:40,840 Speaker 1: up on those lines? 254 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:44,520 Speaker 3: Eight hundred two eighty two two eight eight two. The 255 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:47,920 Speaker 3: Preborn Network of Clinics nationwide has one purpose, and that's 256 00:14:47,960 --> 00:14:52,080 Speaker 3: to rescue unborn babies. 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My friend's over at ABC News yesterday, 285 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:27,680 Speaker 3: Sarah Iger, who used to work at DOJ under the 286 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:28,640 Speaker 3: Trump administration. 287 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:32,920 Speaker 1: She said this about how. 288 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:36,680 Speaker 3: United Republicans are again when it comes to Trump, and 289 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:39,720 Speaker 3: how United Democrats are around the president. 290 00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:41,200 Speaker 1: Right now, Biden, listen to this. 291 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:44,200 Speaker 2: Donald Trump is more popular among Republicans than Joe Biden 292 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:45,040 Speaker 2: is among Democrats. 293 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:45,880 Speaker 1: And it's not close. 294 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:48,800 Speaker 2: Ask them about the economy, ask them about foreign policy. 295 00:16:48,880 --> 00:16:51,640 Speaker 1: Donald Trump beats Joe Biden on all of these measure. 296 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:57,240 Speaker 3: Now here's the question, now, Clay, this all sounds very encouraging, right. 297 00:16:57,760 --> 00:16:59,800 Speaker 3: Put aside all the legal stuff for a second, and 298 00:16:59,840 --> 00:17:03,680 Speaker 3: I do think there's a broad based faith among the 299 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:06,199 Speaker 3: Republican base that Donald Trump will just he will just 300 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:09,080 Speaker 3: steamroll through these legal things. Somehow, I do believe that 301 00:17:09,080 --> 00:17:11,400 Speaker 3: that is the general that you know, they're just they're 302 00:17:11,440 --> 00:17:13,000 Speaker 3: not going to be able to stop them with this stuff. 303 00:17:13,520 --> 00:17:16,399 Speaker 3: Assuming that that is true, it also feels like the 304 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:19,920 Speaker 3: lack of faith in Biden creates a real opening here 305 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:23,800 Speaker 3: in the general, but is bottoming, so to speak, in 306 00:17:23,840 --> 00:17:27,160 Speaker 3: the polls at exactly the right moment when it's nothing 307 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:29,160 Speaker 3: but upside for him going into twenty twenty four. 308 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:31,280 Speaker 1: How do you see it? Well? I see it. 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Clay 335 00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:59,360 Speaker 2: and Buck do it today. Welcome back in Clay, Travis 336 00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:03,119 Speaker 2: Buck sex in Show. Encourage you guys to go download 337 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:07,320 Speaker 2: the podcast. You'll get all sorts of interesting conversations, including 338 00:19:07,359 --> 00:19:10,879 Speaker 2: a long form between Buck and Alex Berenson that I 339 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:13,879 Speaker 2: think many of you will enjoy. And Alex, you've been 340 00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:15,639 Speaker 2: coming on with us now for a couple of years, 341 00:19:16,160 --> 00:19:19,680 Speaker 2: and Buck and I are still desperate. 342 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:21,399 Speaker 3: If we're there to be a reckoning, can we just 343 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:24,960 Speaker 3: say we were Bearnston team before Bearnson team was cool. 344 00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:28,600 Speaker 3: You know, we were early. That's true. We are still 345 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:30,000 Speaker 3: tell me recently. 346 00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:35,640 Speaker 2: We are still desperately hoping for a reckoning on COVID. 347 00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:38,359 Speaker 2: But before we get to that, you have been a 348 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:41,439 Speaker 2: data guy from the get go. What is the data 349 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:45,359 Speaker 2: showing on the COVID shots? What should we be aware of? 350 00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:49,480 Speaker 2: What should we be concerned about? And are we finally 351 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:53,800 Speaker 2: coming through all this because people are just finally stopping 352 00:19:53,840 --> 00:19:56,640 Speaker 2: to get the COVID shot overall, and which is probably 353 00:19:56,760 --> 00:19:58,480 Speaker 2: we would have been far better off if we'd never 354 00:19:58,480 --> 00:19:59,399 Speaker 2: had it in the first place. 355 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:01,639 Speaker 1: Kind of tell that's where we are sure? 356 00:20:01,680 --> 00:20:04,600 Speaker 4: I mean no, I think, yeah, nobody's getting the shots anymore. 357 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:06,760 Speaker 4: That's pretty clear. It will be interesting to see this 358 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:09,880 Speaker 4: fall because they will push it. I mean I think 359 00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:13,119 Speaker 4: very few people, even people over sixty five will get it. 360 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:15,280 Speaker 4: I mean it's funny, like if you go on Twitter, 361 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:17,320 Speaker 4: I know you guys are on Twitter, you see this 362 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:20,480 Speaker 4: sort of hardcore of people who are almost like icotic 363 00:20:20,520 --> 00:20:23,400 Speaker 4: about it. There's this like group of zero COVID people 364 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:26,720 Speaker 4: who either dyal haven't gotten COVID or they got it 365 00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:28,760 Speaker 4: once and they don't want it again. And you know 366 00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:31,240 Speaker 4: those people are on like shot five, six and seven, 367 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:33,960 Speaker 4: and they're they're I mean they are they're legitimately crazy, 368 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:38,879 Speaker 4: But I think I think almost everybody else is just 369 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:43,400 Speaker 4: past this. We know the shots, you know, don't work anymore. 370 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:46,080 Speaker 4: To the to the look, I think you can make 371 00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:48,320 Speaker 4: an argument. I think there's an argument being made about 372 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:51,679 Speaker 4: twenty twenty one, and it's sort that first regimen for 373 00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:55,399 Speaker 4: older people in particular, that you know that that like, 374 00:20:55,560 --> 00:20:58,919 Speaker 4: for a few months in twenty twenty one, the shots 375 00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:02,679 Speaker 4: seem to work, and they definitely reduced contraction rates and 376 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:06,359 Speaker 4: so some people didn't get infected. And you know, obviously 377 00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:08,880 Speaker 4: if you're not infected with COVID, you can't die from COVID. 378 00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:12,679 Speaker 4: But certainly ever since Omocron, ever since, ever since the 379 00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:15,080 Speaker 4: shots started to fail, which would the late summer and 380 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:17,679 Speaker 4: fall of twenty twenty one, and they announced these boosters, 381 00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:20,200 Speaker 4: I mean, that should have been the clue that we 382 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:22,960 Speaker 4: were just way off track on this. And then since 383 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:25,320 Speaker 4: omacrom they don't work. To Omoicron, they don't work at all. 384 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:28,439 Speaker 4: They just don't be. Omicon is different enough structurally that 385 00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:32,720 Speaker 4: the antibodies the shots make your body produced don't really work. 386 00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:36,160 Speaker 4: And that's even true with the updated booster and people 387 00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:38,919 Speaker 4: like you know, listen, most people are not going to 388 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:42,440 Speaker 4: be aware of the details of the science here, which 389 00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:44,080 Speaker 4: is fine, Like people have a lot of different things 390 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:46,800 Speaker 4: to worry about in their lives, but they are broadly 391 00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:49,439 Speaker 4: aware that the shots don't work anymore and they're not 392 00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:50,520 Speaker 4: getting them. 393 00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:53,960 Speaker 3: Speaking Alex Barentson here, you can check out his sub 394 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:59,479 Speaker 3: stack also his book Pandemia and Alex. The one thing 395 00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:02,400 Speaker 3: that I wonder about at this point, there's clearly very 396 00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:06,320 Speaker 3: little interest from the medical establishment in this country to 397 00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:10,040 Speaker 3: get really down into the numbers when it comes to 398 00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:15,840 Speaker 3: side effects and specifically the uh, the consequences for people 399 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:21,119 Speaker 3: of mito of myocarditis, and and how how those numbers 400 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:23,560 Speaker 3: may actually look if they were to get into it. 401 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:26,160 Speaker 1: Do you think we will ever get those numbers? 402 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:28,359 Speaker 3: And what do I mean meaning are they able to 403 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:30,840 Speaker 3: kind of run out the clock and so the data 404 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:33,680 Speaker 3: is almost going to be hard to come by, or 405 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:36,080 Speaker 3: is it still possible to get real numbers so we 406 00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:39,240 Speaker 3: can see what the side effect profile actually was for 407 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:42,280 Speaker 3: a shot that they effectively mandated in much of the country. 408 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:45,800 Speaker 4: So that that's a really that's a really great question. 409 00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:48,879 Speaker 4: Here's what I think. And I was saying you a 410 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:52,679 Speaker 4: cardiologist on Friday about this and the word you use 411 00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:58,200 Speaker 4: was cardioactive, so you know, or or cardiogenic. These shots 412 00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:02,680 Speaker 4: definitely caused ask problems. Like in most people, those problems 413 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:04,960 Speaker 4: are going to be minor. In some people, those problems 414 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:07,639 Speaker 4: are going to be severe. Because we gave the shots 415 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:11,840 Speaker 4: to so many people, you can actually see, you know, 416 00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:15,320 Speaker 4: a real number of deaths that occurred, which the CDC 417 00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:20,040 Speaker 4: won't really admit, but other national health authorities actually will admit, 418 00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:24,000 Speaker 4: and they'll they'll they'll acknowledge, you know, in case reports 419 00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:26,440 Speaker 4: and in papers that you know that have been published 420 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:30,800 Speaker 4: in real scientific journals, that there are significant people, not 421 00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:33,320 Speaker 4: not millions, okay, not one hundreds of thousands, but certainly 422 00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:38,840 Speaker 4: in the thousands who who got the shot and got 423 00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:42,600 Speaker 4: my arcarditis and either had very serious consequences or died. Okay, 424 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:46,040 Speaker 4: that's just a fact. And and these are mostly young people, 425 00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:49,639 Speaker 4: mostly at very very low risk from COVID. Now, remember 426 00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:51,480 Speaker 4: you can say, okay, well, we gave this to a 427 00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:54,040 Speaker 4: billion people worldwide, so there, you know, so if there 428 00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:55,760 Speaker 4: were a few, you know, a few hundred or a 429 00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:59,320 Speaker 4: few thousand deaths in this way, that's still a very 430 00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:03,040 Speaker 4: low number proportionally, Okay, as long as it's not you 431 00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:06,000 Speaker 4: or your family member, you know who's dying from this 432 00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:08,880 Speaker 4: shot that they didn't need and was given to them 433 00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:11,440 Speaker 4: or forced on them for really no reason. I mean 434 00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:15,480 Speaker 4: to me, this is a scandal. Now. Now here's now 435 00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:21,600 Speaker 4: more broadly, after the after the most recent dose of boosters, 436 00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:23,960 Speaker 4: which is really the fall of twenty twenty two, which 437 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:26,159 Speaker 4: mainly went to older people, both in the US and 438 00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:29,919 Speaker 4: in europe An served in East Asia, there was a 439 00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:34,720 Speaker 4: real spike in deaths in older people in in sort 440 00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:39,160 Speaker 4: of winter twenty twenty three right in so we had 441 00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:42,240 Speaker 4: another booster at a time when there really wasn't that 442 00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:45,359 Speaker 4: much COVID out there, and we did have a spike 443 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:46,919 Speaker 4: in death. And when I say spike, I don't mean 444 00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:50,159 Speaker 4: death double or tripled. I mean they went up ten percent, 445 00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:53,080 Speaker 4: twenty percent some months. In some countries they might have 446 00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:56,520 Speaker 4: gone up thirty percent for a few weeks. So you know, 447 00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:58,760 Speaker 4: that's the number of death that COVID was calling, by 448 00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:01,200 Speaker 4: the way, and COVID was this world wide health crisis. 449 00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:05,320 Speaker 4: But those desks have now come back down, okay, And 450 00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:07,199 Speaker 4: I think that as long as we don't have a 451 00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:11,800 Speaker 4: widespread booster campaign next fall, they won't go back up. 452 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:14,439 Speaker 4: I hope. I certainly hope that. So I'm not in 453 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:16,080 Speaker 4: this camp. But you know, it's sort of like what 454 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:19,479 Speaker 4: I would call considerracy. They camp that, oh, in ten years, 455 00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:21,359 Speaker 4: we're all going to be dropping dead from this. I 456 00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:23,080 Speaker 4: don't think that's the case. I think what you have 457 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:29,080 Speaker 4: is is, you know, a vaccine that causes some problems, 458 00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:32,720 Speaker 4: that seems to cause some cardiac and vascular problems and 459 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:35,880 Speaker 4: some autoimmune problems by the way, in people who take 460 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:38,800 Speaker 4: who receive it, in some of those In some people, 461 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:41,920 Speaker 4: it's those problems are pretty severe. In most people, those 462 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:44,840 Speaker 4: problems are not so severe. And are we ever going 463 00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:47,200 Speaker 4: to be able to tease all of this out? Well, 464 00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:50,040 Speaker 4: if we had, if we have, let's say, a commission 465 00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:52,960 Speaker 4: in the US or a commission globally that really wanted 466 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:55,840 Speaker 4: to look, we might get an answer. But we don't 467 00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:58,280 Speaker 4: have that. Why because the people who would set up 468 00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:00,640 Speaker 4: that commission have been pushing the shops years. They don't 469 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:02,719 Speaker 4: want to know. So, I mean, I guess, Buck, if 470 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:04,480 Speaker 4: you're going to make me say yes or Noah, are 471 00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:06,080 Speaker 4: we ever going to get to this? I hate to 472 00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:08,359 Speaker 4: tell you, I think the answer is likely no. I 473 00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:09,919 Speaker 4: think you're going to have me. You're going to have 474 00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:12,040 Speaker 4: a few people out there who are saying, look at 475 00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:14,040 Speaker 4: the state O, look at these papers that came out 476 00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:18,240 Speaker 4: of you know, South Korea or Switzerland or Japan or 477 00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:21,920 Speaker 4: Australia or wherever, and and you can see the picture here. 478 00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:24,760 Speaker 4: But as long as the CDC and me and you know, 479 00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:29,200 Speaker 4: certain top media organizations won't do this work, we're never 480 00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:30,320 Speaker 4: really going to get there. 481 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:32,800 Speaker 2: Alex A couple of Look we're talking to Alex Bearnson. 482 00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:35,520 Speaker 2: Encourage you to check out his sub stack. A couple 483 00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:38,760 Speaker 2: of connected questions I think for you here, I'd like 484 00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:42,920 Speaker 2: to get your take on. Ian Miller at OutKick did 485 00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:45,560 Speaker 2: a really good piece over the weekend, building off of 486 00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:48,200 Speaker 2: some of the work that others had done. Over one 487 00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:53,040 Speaker 2: hundred colleges and universities, including Rutgers and Pitts. So I mean, 488 00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:57,240 Speaker 2: these are big schools. The University of New Jersey, state school, Rutgers, 489 00:26:57,359 --> 00:27:01,320 Speaker 2: University of Pittsburgh obviously a state school in this Pennsylvania. 490 00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:04,720 Speaker 2: They're still mandating COVID shots and boosters, and they'll kick 491 00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:07,680 Speaker 2: you out of school if you don't get them. I'm 492 00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:10,840 Speaker 2: curious what you would say to that. And then front 493 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:15,280 Speaker 2: page Over the weekend, The Australian had a front page 494 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:19,280 Speaker 2: article that went after doctor Fauci for his lies, given 495 00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:22,919 Speaker 2: that the New York Times health reporters were clearly being mocked, 496 00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:26,600 Speaker 2: ridiculed and lied to, and there's now evidence of that. 497 00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:30,240 Speaker 2: You're a former New York Times employee, would you let 498 00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:33,080 Speaker 2: your kid get a shot in order to go to 499 00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:36,399 Speaker 2: one of those hundred colleges or universities? And why do 500 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:39,000 Speaker 2: you think the New York Times hasn't been as aggressive 501 00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:43,000 Speaker 2: in covering Fauci as, for instance, the Australian has, especially 502 00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:46,640 Speaker 2: because it's not like Australia didn't lock down even more 503 00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:50,640 Speaker 2: significantly than the United States. They're actually going after a reckoning. 504 00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:54,960 Speaker 4: So first question, I would very simple answer to my 505 00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:57,440 Speaker 4: kids didn't get the shots. They will never get these 506 00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:01,440 Speaker 4: mRNA shots. If I had a that is being told 507 00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:04,040 Speaker 4: at this point to be boosted again, especially since it 508 00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:07,080 Speaker 4: looks like the risks sort of increase with repeated dosing, 509 00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:09,280 Speaker 4: I would pull them out of that school. Listen, I 510 00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:12,159 Speaker 4: grew up in Jersey. Rutgers is a nice school, like 511 00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:16,800 Speaker 4: there's tons of other schools. You know. It's just it's crazy. 512 00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:21,480 Speaker 4: There's zero scientific justification for this, there's zero moral justification. 513 00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:25,160 Speaker 4: But it is only dangerous to healthy kids of that age. 514 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:29,400 Speaker 4: It should basically, these boosters should not be even offered 515 00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:32,320 Speaker 4: to anybody I think under sixty five, maybe fifty if 516 00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:36,360 Speaker 4: you have severe come morbidities. But I mean, it's crazy. 517 00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:40,200 Speaker 4: Don't don't allow your kids to get these shots. I mean, 518 00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:45,239 Speaker 4: it's it's shocking that this is happening. I mean, so 519 00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:48,920 Speaker 4: as the other question, there's a bigger issue, right, I mean, 520 00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:51,360 Speaker 4: and I'm writing a lot about COVID these days, but 521 00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:53,200 Speaker 4: I am trying to write more about what I think 522 00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:55,640 Speaker 4: is an even you know, still is an even bigger 523 00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:58,680 Speaker 4: issue that the media and that at a society are 524 00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:00,920 Speaker 4: we really need to wrack with right now, which is 525 00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:05,200 Speaker 4: that we seem to have given up on free speech. Certainly, 526 00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:08,240 Speaker 4: I'm left, really since they've given up on free speech 527 00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:11,479 Speaker 4: and inquiry, that might lead to places that you know, 528 00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:15,200 Speaker 4: it doesn't like. So, I mean, look I did, I 529 00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:18,520 Speaker 4: wasn't at Times reported for ten years. It's it's shocking 530 00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:21,000 Speaker 4: to me that we now have these emails out there 531 00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:24,800 Speaker 4: where we have scientists who who were actually mocking the 532 00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:27,600 Speaker 4: Times reporters saying like essentially, you know, we can lead 533 00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:28,360 Speaker 4: them around. 534 00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:28,840 Speaker 5: By their noses. 535 00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:30,960 Speaker 4: We can get them not to be interested in the 536 00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:34,600 Speaker 4: lablique theory. And you know that was years ago that 537 00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:38,120 Speaker 4: came out, and The Times wasn't let around by its nose. 538 00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:41,680 Speaker 4: And yet it won't really even cover what, you know, 539 00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:46,600 Speaker 4: the revelations here because it is so afraid of of 540 00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:51,000 Speaker 4: essentially presenting news that its readers might not like or 541 00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:53,800 Speaker 4: that run you know, that might give aid and comfort 542 00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:57,040 Speaker 4: to Republicans. I mean, that's where we are. It's it's 543 00:29:57,080 --> 00:30:01,040 Speaker 4: shocking to me that, you know, Democrats I wrote about 544 00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:03,800 Speaker 4: this on you know, on Unreported Truth ten days ago 545 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:06,960 Speaker 4: or I can't really attended or last week, but seventy 546 00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:11,680 Speaker 4: percent of Democrats now don't favor real First Amendment protection 547 00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:14,800 Speaker 4: for online speech. Okay, And the New York Times itself 548 00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:17,320 Speaker 4: when they covered you know, our kid junior spoke at 549 00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:21,720 Speaker 4: that congressional hearing ten days ago, they said that, you know, 550 00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:25,120 Speaker 4: we now have thorny questions about this New York Times 551 00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:30,640 Speaker 4: thorny questions about whether the First Amendment for text misinformation online. 552 00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:34,280 Speaker 4: And I mean, I don't understand that. I don't understand 553 00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:39,040 Speaker 4: the reluctance to have free inquiry and free debate from 554 00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:40,960 Speaker 4: these people who think they're you know, they think they're 555 00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:43,520 Speaker 4: so smart, they think they know everything, Like you should 556 00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:46,560 Speaker 4: be wanting to debate me, Go destroy me with your facts, 557 00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:47,600 Speaker 4: like please. 558 00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:53,080 Speaker 3: Alex, parents, did everybody go subscribe to a substack unreported truths? Alex, 559 00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:56,360 Speaker 3: We'll have you back. Thanks for being here. Nice guys, 560 00:30:57,320 --> 00:30:59,440 Speaker 3: Are you want to fix the income? 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The best you know, we often 585 00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:24,480 Speaker 3: talk about the best governor on COVID, and for me 586 00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:29,479 Speaker 3: that's Governor DeSantis on that issue. I think the best 587 00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:33,800 Speaker 3: senator would have to be for me senator on COVID again, 588 00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:37,200 Speaker 3: Senator ran Paul, and he's put at a criminal referral 589 00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:41,440 Speaker 3: against Fauci for lying under oath about about the origins 590 00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:45,040 Speaker 3: of COVID. Look, you know, the law counselor, it doesn't 591 00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:48,520 Speaker 3: if they're gonna start saying, well, while they're marching Trump's 592 00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:53,520 Speaker 3: groundskeeper into federal prison for what exactly. I don't think 593 00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:57,760 Speaker 3: Fauci just gets to skate lying under oath because he's Fauci. 594 00:32:57,840 --> 00:32:59,760 Speaker 3: I'm sorry. I think there's something else that we should 595 00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:04,440 Speaker 3: look at there. And then also we have Biden's recognition 596 00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:08,600 Speaker 3: of his grandchild. Interesting timing here, given the news cycle. 597 00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:09,800 Speaker 3: We'll get into some of that come up here in 598 00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:13,959 Speaker 3: a moment. We got a bunch of calls. Let's go, uh, 599 00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:17,760 Speaker 3: Linda in Louisville, Kentucky, Linda, what's up? 600 00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:19,200 Speaker 6: Hey? 601 00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:22,000 Speaker 5: I just want to just say what I felt about 602 00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:26,440 Speaker 5: Trump and why everybody else liked him so much, is 603 00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:32,040 Speaker 5: that he is human. He is not a robot. Everybody 604 00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:35,960 Speaker 5: else reads from their script. He just lays it out there. 605 00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:38,560 Speaker 5: He doesn't have to look at anything. 606 00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:43,040 Speaker 1: There. We go, all right, Okay, what buck I mean 607 00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:43,240 Speaker 1: to me? 608 00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:45,480 Speaker 2: The most fascinating Again, we talked about this New York 609 00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:50,680 Speaker 2: Times poll result fifty four versus sixteen. Trump is more 610 00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:55,720 Speaker 2: fun than DeSantis, but people actually like DeSantis more. If 611 00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:58,920 Speaker 2: you're the DeSantis camp and you see that data, I 612 00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:02,600 Speaker 2: mean that means that a lot of people evidently find 613 00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:06,600 Speaker 2: Trump not particularly likable, but they think he's fun, which 614 00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:07,320 Speaker 2: is I. 615 00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:09,560 Speaker 1: Mean, how do you thread that needle right when. 616 00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:14,239 Speaker 2: You're losing the fun argument, but you're actually still more likable. 617 00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:17,480 Speaker 1: I think it goes to a large extent what she's saying. 618 00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:19,960 Speaker 3: I think even some people who are voting for Trump 619 00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:22,960 Speaker 3: would admit if if you're picking a Sunday school teacher 620 00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:25,120 Speaker 3: for your kids, you want her to be ron Ook. 621 00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:27,000 Speaker 1: Yes, you don't want it to be Trump. 622 00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:31,239 Speaker 3: But that's a different thing than running the country, being 623 00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:33,840 Speaker 3: president and fighting the Biden machine. But you know, if 624 00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:35,640 Speaker 3: you're looking for you, if you're looking for your high 625 00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:39,719 Speaker 3: school baseball coach for your own child, a Trump as 626 00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:42,160 Speaker 3: a high school baseball coach would be an amazing show. 627 00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:44,480 Speaker 1: Let me just say, like, we could probably trade Bard 628 00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:47,920 Speaker 1: the league. No league baseball coach would be even better, probably. 629 00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:50,400 Speaker 3: The best baseball coach for Little League in the history 630 00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:52,319 Speaker 3: of I mean, it would be amazing. We all understand that. 631 00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:56,040 Speaker 3: But yeah, Rondastantis is who you'd want coaching your kids 632 00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:56,600 Speaker 3: in Little League. 633 00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:58,000 Speaker 1: I think that's you know, the. 634 00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:01,440 Speaker 3: Language would be clean, the morals and ethics would be straightforward. 635 00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:03,799 Speaker 1: But Trump is a He's a different, different guy. 636 00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:08,200 Speaker 3: Scott in Kentucky, Oh, another Kentucky caller, Scott in Kentucky, 637 00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:08,600 Speaker 3: what's up? 638 00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:12,080 Speaker 6: Well, I'm glad I got through. So I think that 639 00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:16,080 Speaker 6: just shows how delusional everybody is. I'm talking about DeSantis 640 00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:16,960 Speaker 6: because is he nice? 641 00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:18,919 Speaker 4: Is he too nice? Is he too mean? 642 00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:21,160 Speaker 6: You guys have been all over the map on this, 643 00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:23,920 Speaker 6: but he has a four year track record of fighting 644 00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:25,480 Speaker 6: and being the national spotlight. 645 00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:28,920 Speaker 1: And who does Trump or DeSantis? 646 00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:33,520 Speaker 6: Ron DeSantis took on the teachers union five years ago, 647 00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:37,120 Speaker 6: won his first election by one percent, then took on 648 00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:40,440 Speaker 6: every woke agenda we've asked of our Republican nominees to 649 00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:44,680 Speaker 6: take on and won. Everybody knows who he is, Everybody 650 00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:48,239 Speaker 6: knows what he's like. He hasn't changed. He won sev 651 00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:52,600 Speaker 6: or he won by twenty percent. Rather and the election 652 00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:58,520 Speaker 6: now after thirty million dollars of attack ads from Donald 653 00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:01,920 Speaker 6: Trump every but he's questioning DeSantis. So now what's up 654 00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:04,520 Speaker 6: to DeSantis to stand up and fight back? But your 655 00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:06,200 Speaker 6: point is one that. 656 00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:07,000 Speaker 4: I want to talk about. 657 00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:10,400 Speaker 6: I think totally iglusional. Who is the best person on 658 00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:13,040 Speaker 6: COVID as a governor? Ron DeSantis? 659 00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:16,080 Speaker 1: Well you're quoting me, but yes, go ahead, yes. 660 00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:19,359 Speaker 6: Yes, what has Trump been saying? Okay, this is why 661 00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:21,600 Speaker 6: I knew DeSantis had to step up and start finding 662 00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:25,440 Speaker 6: ninety days ago. Trump has been running lockdown Ron. You 663 00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:28,120 Speaker 6: can't vote for for Ron DeSantis because he was weak 664 00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:30,640 Speaker 6: on COVID. He locked down the street of Florida. That's 665 00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:33,600 Speaker 6: one hundred and eighty degrees from fact. That's a complete lie. 666 00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:38,719 Speaker 6: So a statement three months ago. People that like Desantas 667 00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:42,560 Speaker 6: and like Trump were asking me, can you vote? Can 668 00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:45,120 Speaker 6: you really vote for Ron after how weak he was 669 00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:46,040 Speaker 6: on COVID. 670 00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:47,920 Speaker 1: Well, this is interesting, sir. 671 00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:49,440 Speaker 3: We're running out of time. We wanted to give you 672 00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:51,239 Speaker 3: full say there. We'll come back to this on the 673 00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:53,120 Speaker 3: flip side. Some interesting points you raised