1 00:00:05,360 --> 00:00:08,840 Speaker 1: Climb Stories with Nancy Grace on Serious x M Triumph 2 00:00:08,920 --> 00:00:12,000 Speaker 1: Channel one thirty two. Chase Master is in a rock 3 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:14,680 Speaker 1: War veteran, a husband, a father. His wife told us 4 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:16,599 Speaker 1: she dropped him off at a quick trip in Cobtown. 5 00:00:16,720 --> 00:00:18,520 Speaker 1: His family says he was last seen at a friend's 6 00:00:18,520 --> 00:00:21,400 Speaker 1: house in Kennesaw three years ago. It's like he vanished 7 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:24,200 Speaker 1: from that home, not to be seen or heard from again. 8 00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:27,600 Speaker 1: Despite some intense searching, a few clues have been found. 9 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:30,360 Speaker 1: We have absolutely no answers at all, least trying to 10 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:32,839 Speaker 1: determine if remains found in the backyard of those of 11 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:35,680 Speaker 1: an army veteran who has been missing now for three years. 12 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:38,199 Speaker 1: This is the home where three years ago, twenty six 13 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:41,519 Speaker 1: year old Chase Master was last seen. The search continuous 14 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:43,920 Speaker 1: for a man wanted in connection with the disappearance and 15 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:46,720 Speaker 1: now death of a young Cobb County father and veterans. 16 00:00:46,760 --> 00:00:49,159 Speaker 1: But it was the last person to see Master alive, 17 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:51,879 Speaker 1: and he is now charged with concealing a death. You 18 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:54,959 Speaker 1: have to question why somebody would make the decision all 19 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:59,560 Speaker 1: of a sudden to run a handsome young man goes missing. 20 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:04,760 Speaker 1: His mom has poured her entire life into raising him. 21 00:01:04,760 --> 00:01:08,520 Speaker 1: He grows up. He is the golden boy. He can 22 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:11,760 Speaker 1: do no wrong. Everybody loves him at school, He's the 23 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:17,080 Speaker 1: apple of her eye. He marries, they have two beautiful 24 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:22,240 Speaker 1: little girls. He becomes a war that fighting for our 25 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:27,160 Speaker 1: country in Iraq, and he comes home. What he managed 26 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:32,279 Speaker 1: to escape in Iraq meets him here on us soil death. 27 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:37,880 Speaker 1: I'm talking about Chase Master. For three years, we have 28 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:45,440 Speaker 1: been trying our best at finding Chase as what we 29 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:50,000 Speaker 1: know now is that our worst dreams have come true. 30 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:53,840 Speaker 1: I Meancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank you for 31 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:58,080 Speaker 1: being with us. In the last hours. A body has 32 00:01:58,160 --> 00:02:03,080 Speaker 1: been found buried under a patio covered with cement, and 33 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:06,600 Speaker 1: the man that Daniel Wilkerson from Channel forty six and 34 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:13,280 Speaker 1: I tracked down, pounded on his door and basically forced 35 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:16,680 Speaker 1: him to talk to us, is now on the run. 36 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:22,919 Speaker 1: I'm talking about Brad Clement to Daniel Wilkerson from Channel 37 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:25,959 Speaker 1: forty six joining me today along with Lee Egan from 38 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:32,920 Speaker 1: Crime online dot Com and several members of Chase's team. 39 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:36,640 Speaker 1: Daniel right now, Brad Clement on the run. I don't 40 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:39,919 Speaker 1: understand it if he had spoken at all with the 41 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:43,080 Speaker 1: defense attorney. The attorney, if he was worth his salt, 42 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:45,320 Speaker 1: or she was worth her salt that goes in her bread. 43 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:48,600 Speaker 1: Would have said, look, we don't know any cause of death. 44 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 1: You can probably get off with the disposing of a body. 45 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:57,519 Speaker 1: But instead this guy goes on the run. What do 46 00:02:57,639 --> 00:03:00,640 Speaker 1: we know right now? Where is Brad Clement Well? The 47 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:03,600 Speaker 1: latest coming from my source close to the investigation, UH 48 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:07,720 Speaker 1: says that the fugitive unit here in Cobb County. They 49 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 1: have searched Brad's mother's house and they did not find him. 50 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:14,280 Speaker 1: Of course, she has a basement in that house. I've 51 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 1: been there several times, and so the thought was a 52 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:19,799 Speaker 1: general thought was that he may be there. Of Course, 53 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:23,280 Speaker 1: her address was listed on his arrest warrants, so they 54 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:25,239 Speaker 1: did not need a search warrant to go over there. 55 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:27,240 Speaker 1: But I just got that news that they searched that house. 56 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:31,320 Speaker 1: I've been told by my source that the fugitive unit 57 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:34,680 Speaker 1: they know the general area where he is. In their words, 58 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:38,480 Speaker 1: they said, we are one step behind him right now. 59 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:41,040 Speaker 1: But of course he is not in custody. Nancy Well 60 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:45,760 Speaker 1: this week answered one question regarding where is Chase Masner. 61 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 1: We now know that his body has been found behind 62 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:54,240 Speaker 1: a so called friends home, but now even more questions 63 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:58,320 Speaker 1: have presented. This young guy, Chase Masner, any rocky war Vet, 64 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:05,280 Speaker 1: went missing March after a search which many people found questionable. 65 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:08,000 Speaker 1: It seemed as if law enforcement was not taking his 66 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:12,560 Speaker 1: disappearance seriously, telling his mother they think you just dropped 67 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:16,080 Speaker 1: off the grid. The people that knew him the best 68 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:19,400 Speaker 1: knew that was not true, and that somehow he had 69 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:22,320 Speaker 1: met foul play. And after I spoke to his mother 70 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:27,240 Speaker 1: and his wife, Amanda, I knew for sure Chase didn't 71 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:31,040 Speaker 1: just go missing. He just didn't walk away deciding never 72 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:34,360 Speaker 1: to come back and joining me right now is Trey Morgan. 73 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:37,760 Speaker 1: This is Amanda's mother. Trey, thank you so much for 74 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:40,800 Speaker 1: being with us. How is Amanda and the girls? M 75 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 1: thank you. Nancy's nice to speak with you. Um, they're 76 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:46,160 Speaker 1: holding in and they're not They're not doing very well 77 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:53,480 Speaker 1: unless you can imagine. Um. But he says, Ada's birthday, so, um, 78 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:55,520 Speaker 1: it's not gonna be a very good birthday for her. 79 00:04:57,440 --> 00:05:00,640 Speaker 1: They we're all just real this morning. Trade. Do you 80 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:03,880 Speaker 1: believe that all this time she's been holding out hope 81 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:08,280 Speaker 1: that Chase was alive? We all did. I believe, I 82 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:11,360 Speaker 1: really think we all did. But you know, after three years, 83 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:14,679 Speaker 1: when you don't get any teams off the cell phone, 84 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:19,680 Speaker 1: you get no no um, no no um against at all, 85 00:05:19,880 --> 00:05:21,560 Speaker 1: just to where he is. No one calling in and 86 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 1: saying I might have seen him here, I might have 87 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:26,080 Speaker 1: seen him there. It's three years, no social security run. 88 00:05:27,200 --> 00:05:30,320 Speaker 1: You have to start thinking that that's probably what happened. 89 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:33,040 Speaker 1: Because this man would never just walk away. He would 90 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:36,840 Speaker 1: never walk away. He was so fruscious. You know, when 91 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 1: I first found out about Chase's disappearance, I listened to 92 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:43,600 Speaker 1: what place had to say, and I thought, well, with 93 00:05:43,839 --> 00:05:46,560 Speaker 1: this guy just bagged it. I mean he was arguing 94 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:48,840 Speaker 1: with a man. I mean, here's the deal. He had 95 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:52,039 Speaker 1: been in Iraqi, came home, he could not re assimilate 96 00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:55,719 Speaker 1: into civilian life, and wore overseas and came home and 97 00:05:55,839 --> 00:05:58,640 Speaker 1: was killed by a coward. Can you believe the way 98 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:01,800 Speaker 1: this whole thing played aid out. It's just so hard 99 00:06:01,839 --> 00:06:05,320 Speaker 1: for me to put the pieces together, Trey, because the 100 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:08,360 Speaker 1: reality is, he came home, he had a hard time assimilating. 101 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:10,960 Speaker 1: He couldn't get back into civilian life. He had a 102 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:14,120 Speaker 1: wife and two beautiful baby girls that he had to support. 103 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:16,640 Speaker 1: He couldn't find the job. He wanted. He finally just 104 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:18,960 Speaker 1: took a job at Quick Trip. And you know, as 105 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:21,000 Speaker 1: I was saying the other day, you don't grow up 106 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:22,760 Speaker 1: as a kid going gee, one day, I want to 107 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:25,359 Speaker 1: work as a cashier at Quick Trip. But this guy 108 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:28,120 Speaker 1: was making money for his family. He was coming home 109 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:32,000 Speaker 1: at night to his wife and his children. Yeah he was, 110 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:36,280 Speaker 1: and they were just arguing, like all couples argue, and 111 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:41,000 Speaker 1: that night everything went sideways. And what's interesting Trey with 112 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:45,320 Speaker 1: me is Amanda's mom. Is that Brad Clement, who by 113 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:48,159 Speaker 1: his own admission, was the last one to be known 114 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:52,120 Speaker 1: with Chase. Actually, and Daniel, you and I have it 115 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:55,000 Speaker 1: on tape, tried to point the finger at Amanda and 116 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:57,839 Speaker 1: told us what he really thought happened was that Amanda 117 00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 1: was quote blowing up Chase his cell phone that night 118 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:03,240 Speaker 1: to come back, and he thought the next day while 119 00:07:03,279 --> 00:07:06,320 Speaker 1: he ran errands, then Amanda came and picked him up, 120 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:08,240 Speaker 1: and she did not and did away with him and 121 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:10,640 Speaker 1: he was never seen again. She did not do that. 122 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:14,000 Speaker 1: And I'm really kind of angry um right now. It's 123 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:17,920 Speaker 1: it's been hard on all of us because the police 124 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:21,000 Speaker 1: were told at the same time that they were told 125 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:23,920 Speaker 1: about the dumpster to investigate the dumpster. There's a dumpster 126 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:26,680 Speaker 1: out front. They were also told that there's a brand 127 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:29,560 Speaker 1: new concrete paddy in the back. They were told this 128 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:35,040 Speaker 1: three over three years ago. They did nothing. They did nothing. 129 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:37,320 Speaker 1: And if you would have been found three years ago, 130 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:39,520 Speaker 1: then we would have had closure. There wouldn't have been 131 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:43,800 Speaker 1: any of this chaos and turmoil and a circus, and 132 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:45,800 Speaker 1: it just it just breaks my heart. It's just the 133 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:48,080 Speaker 1: saddest case I've ever I've ever heard of. When you 134 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:51,440 Speaker 1: say turmoil and a circus, what do you mean by that? 135 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:55,640 Speaker 1: Just the attacks and the harassment and different things of 136 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:59,120 Speaker 1: that nature. I mean, I really, Amanda Ada, I say, 137 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:02,400 Speaker 1: and I feel like police aided in in that because no, 138 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:05,160 Speaker 1: they wouldn't know, they didn't do anything. They couldn't listen. 139 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:07,960 Speaker 1: Stephanie's over there crying, and I mean every time I 140 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:09,760 Speaker 1: think of her right now, and my heart just breeks, 141 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:13,640 Speaker 1: and we are all asking them she please help us, 142 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:19,440 Speaker 1: and nobody did anything. You know. Another another thing joining 143 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 1: me from crime Online is Lee Egan. You know Lee 144 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:25,560 Speaker 1: Tree Morgan is right. The police were told at the 145 00:08:25,600 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 1: beginning by Stephanie, who has chased his mom, please go 146 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:31,320 Speaker 1: search the dumpster police. You had to beg and beg 147 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:34,760 Speaker 1: and beg for them to search the dumpster. And then 148 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:38,199 Speaker 1: cops come out finally, and they searched the wrong dumpster. 149 00:08:38,559 --> 00:08:40,920 Speaker 1: And so are you telling me Lee? Is this correct 150 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:44,079 Speaker 1: that at that time the cops were also told about 151 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:47,480 Speaker 1: this freshly late cement and Brad Clement's backyard. Yeah, they 152 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:52,120 Speaker 1: absolutely did. Um. They did tell coll police about that slab, 153 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:56,200 Speaker 1: and they kept treating this case as he just walked away. 154 00:08:56,080 --> 00:08:58,800 Speaker 1: They wouldn't listen to these ladies. And three years went 155 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:01,800 Speaker 1: by and just nothing. It wasn't until the cold case 156 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:04,439 Speaker 1: unit came on that they actually listened to what these 157 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:08,080 Speaker 1: ladies were saying and got something done with me. Tammy 158 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:11,479 Speaker 1: Chiles from Team Chase, Tammy, thanks for being with us, Tammy. 159 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:15,000 Speaker 1: What was the police answer when you guys told them 160 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:18,439 Speaker 1: about this cement? We had told them favorite times and 161 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:21,800 Speaker 1: I was told that that area had already been searched 162 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:26,679 Speaker 1: along with Brad Pouse. It had already been done. There 163 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:30,480 Speaker 1: was no need to do another search. Out to Mike Swigger, 164 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:33,319 Speaker 1: what do you make of the most recent development that 165 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:38,240 Speaker 1: Brad Clement is now gone, possibly with a gun. We 166 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:42,880 Speaker 1: don't know that yet. Possibly. Uh. And why if this 167 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:45,280 Speaker 1: was not nefarious, why would he go on the run, Mike, 168 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:48,959 Speaker 1: he wouldn't. And what I make of it is that 169 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:53,040 Speaker 1: that his his running is is an indicator of, you know, 170 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:56,720 Speaker 1: that he's bear some kind of guilt that he believes 171 00:09:56,760 --> 00:09:59,720 Speaker 1: he has. That he's not following the advice of his 172 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:03,880 Speaker 1: attorn Ernie as as you said earlier, any any attorney 173 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:05,960 Speaker 1: with their salt would say, you know, to turn yourself in, 174 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:09,000 Speaker 1: you know, go through the legal process. And and he's not. 175 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:14,240 Speaker 1: He's not doing that. He's chosen to run and and uh, 176 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:17,479 Speaker 1: I don't think he's gonna get very far. He's he's 177 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:19,480 Speaker 1: he didn't have anything when he was in one place, 178 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 1: He's going to have less on the move. So, Mike, 179 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:26,000 Speaker 1: I understand you're offering a reward for bringing Brad Clement 180 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:30,640 Speaker 1: back to the jurisdiction. Uh, that's correct. Um, he this 181 00:10:30,679 --> 00:10:34,360 Speaker 1: man needs to be caught and he needs to answer 182 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:37,960 Speaker 1: for what he's done. And I definitely don't think he's 183 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:42,320 Speaker 1: the he's the criminal genius that that people kind of 184 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:46,040 Speaker 1: make him out to be. And um, I think that 185 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:47,719 Speaker 1: he's a scumbag and he's got a lot of low 186 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:51,240 Speaker 1: life friends around him and low Life. They'll sell each 187 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:53,280 Speaker 1: other for a dollar. So how much is the reward, 188 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:56,719 Speaker 1: Mike Um, I'm putting a thousand dollar reward out for 189 00:10:57,040 --> 00:11:00,040 Speaker 1: the capture of Brad Clement, a thousand dollars more of 190 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:03,320 Speaker 1: Mike Swigger information that leads to the arrest of Brad Clement. 191 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:06,520 Speaker 1: What do we know right now, Daniel Wilkerson from Channel 192 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:10,360 Speaker 1: forty six about a cause of death? Because see, the 193 00:11:10,360 --> 00:11:13,840 Speaker 1: only one that knows right now what happened to Chase 194 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:18,040 Speaker 1: Masner is Brad Clement. He knows. So if it were 195 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:21,760 Speaker 1: an innocent cause of death, just let's pretend, Daniel Wilkerson, 196 00:11:21,840 --> 00:11:24,160 Speaker 1: Let's just pretend for a moment that Chase Masman had 197 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:26,040 Speaker 1: a heart attack, which of course he did not. But 198 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:29,360 Speaker 1: let's pretend why didn't he call nine one one? Why? 199 00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:31,680 Speaker 1: I mean, if when you and I are together work 200 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:33,520 Speaker 1: in this case, remember that day we were driving around 201 00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:35,800 Speaker 1: the car and let's just say you had a head 202 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:38,719 Speaker 1: on collision, why would I take your body out and 203 00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:41,080 Speaker 1: bury it in a shallow grave and go on the run. 204 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:44,080 Speaker 1: Could somebody answer that for me? Daniel? Well, this is 205 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:47,440 Speaker 1: the thing, you know, Brad, even after the body was found, 206 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:49,400 Speaker 1: when I talked to Brad over the phone. He said, hey, 207 00:11:49,480 --> 00:11:51,320 Speaker 1: he said the same thing he told us before. My 208 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:52,960 Speaker 1: mother's are nurves. I know that you don't get in 209 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:57,240 Speaker 1: trouble if, uh you call the you know, parabedics after 210 00:11:57,240 --> 00:11:59,959 Speaker 1: a person has overdose. But this is the thing you're 211 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:04,200 Speaker 1: Rufford told both of us, Nancy that Brad's behavior that 212 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:09,200 Speaker 1: day was erratic, and so I'm gonna go hypothetically here. Uh, 213 00:12:09,520 --> 00:12:11,720 Speaker 1: you know probably from your work that when a person, 214 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:14,760 Speaker 1: if a person is on some kind of substance, they 215 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:17,880 Speaker 1: don't reason the same way that they do when they 216 00:12:17,880 --> 00:12:21,160 Speaker 1: have a clear mind. And so yeah, logic may tell you, hey, 217 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:23,920 Speaker 1: if you say, if this wasn't overdose, called the police, 218 00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:26,760 Speaker 1: you may not do that if you're under some kind 219 00:12:26,760 --> 00:12:29,719 Speaker 1: of substance. Daniel Wilkinson, Channel forty six, When are they 220 00:12:29,720 --> 00:12:31,840 Speaker 1: going to give us a cause of death? Well, this 221 00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:34,360 Speaker 1: is the thing I would think, and you probably know 222 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:37,319 Speaker 1: this too, Nancy. Um. First of all, they haven't. The 223 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:39,920 Speaker 1: police have told us that because of physical evidence they 224 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:44,240 Speaker 1: found in the makeshift grade, they believe this is chased 225 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:47,000 Speaker 1: and they are pretty you know, they have told Stephanie that, well, 226 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:49,120 Speaker 1: if they were listening to serious X and they would 227 00:12:49,160 --> 00:12:51,440 Speaker 1: know it was Chase because I told him so the 228 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:55,800 Speaker 1: minute we found the body. Okay, it's Chase. But this 229 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:58,400 Speaker 1: is the thing that do you believe they've got Daniel? What? 230 00:12:58,400 --> 00:13:02,120 Speaker 1: What is so fune? What the flashlight? A quick trip? 231 00:13:02,160 --> 00:13:03,720 Speaker 1: I d what do you think it is they've got 232 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:05,520 Speaker 1: that they know it's him with no d N A 233 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:08,240 Speaker 1: and O dental records that match? What well? First of all, 234 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:11,600 Speaker 1: detective Twigs. When I arrived there, before they pull Chase 235 00:13:11,679 --> 00:13:14,960 Speaker 1: out of the makeshift grave, I asked a couple of questions, 236 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:17,319 Speaker 1: some he would answer, something he wouldn't. I asked, was 237 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:20,760 Speaker 1: Chase clothed? He said yes. I said, was his body 238 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:24,560 Speaker 1: in tech? He said yes. I said, well, what is 239 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:27,640 Speaker 1: there there? What is there that makes you, you know, 240 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:30,760 Speaker 1: know that this is Chase? He would not comment on that. 241 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:33,280 Speaker 1: Now we all have the picture. We've seen a picture 242 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:36,880 Speaker 1: of Chase hours before that at the quick trip where 243 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:40,040 Speaker 1: he had has the red hoodie on. I don't know, 244 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:43,440 Speaker 1: maybe if he's clothed, maybe in that red hoodie. Um. 245 00:13:43,520 --> 00:13:46,040 Speaker 1: He also I believe in that picture had his wedding 246 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:48,560 Speaker 1: ring on. Did he have the wet you know, the 247 00:13:48,559 --> 00:13:52,080 Speaker 1: wedding whing that there was talk early on that um 248 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:54,479 Speaker 1: when they did the sonar before they did to dig 249 00:13:54,520 --> 00:13:58,439 Speaker 1: that there uh, there was a cell phone showed up. 250 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:01,319 Speaker 1: But the cold case unit tells me that you can't 251 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:05,800 Speaker 1: tell that from sonar. A sonar just tells irregular irregulars 252 00:14:05,800 --> 00:14:08,600 Speaker 1: in the soil it does. It's not like an X ray, 253 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:10,960 Speaker 1: So it's anybody's guest. But I can tell you from 254 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:13,080 Speaker 1: the way twigs looked at me detect the twigs looked 255 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:16,120 Speaker 1: at me. He It's almost you know when somebody wants 256 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:18,240 Speaker 1: you to guess something, but you won't guess. There is 257 00:14:18,280 --> 00:14:20,080 Speaker 1: something else. We just don't know what it is at 258 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:22,640 Speaker 1: this point. And and the other thing is this, say, 259 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:25,600 Speaker 1: if it wasn't overdose, I would think, and Mancy, you 260 00:14:25,640 --> 00:14:28,440 Speaker 1: would know better than me. I would think the whether 261 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:30,760 Speaker 1: they're going to get a cause of death on an 262 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:34,119 Speaker 1: overdose would depend on the condition of the body, wouldn't. Yes, absolutely, 263 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:37,560 Speaker 1: if they can get any soft tissue um at all. 264 00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:41,360 Speaker 1: But maybe there's a way that you know, you as 265 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:43,960 Speaker 1: a reporter and I as a lawyer, I don't know 266 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:47,160 Speaker 1: how they're going to do it, but there's a way, 267 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:50,280 Speaker 1: all many ways they can determine if it was for instance, 268 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:54,800 Speaker 1: a stabbing or a gunshot wound. This is the other thing, Nancy. Okay, 269 00:14:54,880 --> 00:14:57,600 Speaker 1: So we were waiting, as you know, on the record, 270 00:14:57,600 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 1: Stephanie had taken his mother Chase. His mother had taken 271 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:02,280 Speaker 1: in dental records from when he was eleven years old 272 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:04,960 Speaker 1: to the medical examiner. Well, they came back and said 273 00:15:05,160 --> 00:15:06,560 Speaker 1: he was too young at the time. They're gonna have 274 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:08,280 Speaker 1: to go ahead and order those from the d D 275 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:10,960 Speaker 1: in the Department of Defense. Since Chase was a an 276 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:13,400 Speaker 1: army veteran. Uh, they can get those. They said it 277 00:15:13,400 --> 00:15:15,640 Speaker 1: would take three days. They're gonna put a rush on them. 278 00:15:15,720 --> 00:15:19,080 Speaker 1: Those still have not come back. But Friday went ahead 279 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:24,440 Speaker 1: and made the decision to arrest Brad Clement. At five o'clock, 280 00:15:24,520 --> 00:15:26,880 Speaker 1: I get off of the air. At noon, I got home, 281 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:30,360 Speaker 1: and around four forty five I got a text from 282 00:15:30,400 --> 00:15:33,640 Speaker 1: my source closely the investigations saying that Brad Clement has 283 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 1: agreed to turn himself in and he is in the 284 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:39,520 Speaker 1: process of turning himself in. He is being charged with 285 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:43,320 Speaker 1: concealing a death. So I from home opened up the 286 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:47,920 Speaker 1: newscast CBS forty six saying just that. Okay, but in 287 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:50,600 Speaker 1: thirty more minutes I got a text from my same 288 00:15:50,680 --> 00:15:54,400 Speaker 1: source saying that he's on the run, and I could 289 00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:56,240 Speaker 1: not believe it. So I had to open up the 290 00:15:56,280 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 1: next newscast from home saying that he was on the run. 291 00:15:59,840 --> 00:16:01,840 Speaker 1: And what they told me, what that source told me 292 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:06,160 Speaker 1: was that Brad's attorney was on the way to his 293 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:08,880 Speaker 1: family's house to pick him up to take him to 294 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:13,200 Speaker 1: the Cobb County jail and the family. Brad's family called 295 00:16:13,200 --> 00:16:16,480 Speaker 1: the attorney and said that he has decided to run. 296 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:19,800 Speaker 1: And that's what happened. Right now, we believe that Brad 297 00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:24,760 Speaker 1: Clement is in a blue Honda Civic Georgia tag P 298 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:29,520 Speaker 1: Peanut H Happy B Brother five seven two four to 299 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:35,880 Speaker 1: all you truckers on the interstate Georgia tag P Peanut H. 300 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:41,640 Speaker 1: Happy beat Brother five seven two four, blue Honda Civic. 301 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:45,040 Speaker 1: Still no answer from the Medical Examiner's office as to 302 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:47,400 Speaker 1: cause of death or not even telling us it is Chase, 303 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:50,120 Speaker 1: but we know that it is Nancy. I have I 304 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:52,560 Speaker 1: have more new information. Okay, hit me. As you know, 305 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:55,120 Speaker 1: we all have Brad's number. You have it, I have it, 306 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:58,600 Speaker 1: some members on Team Chase have it. I have called 307 00:16:58,640 --> 00:17:01,920 Speaker 1: Brad um and there's sometimes when his phone goes straight 308 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:05,520 Speaker 1: to voicemail. There's other times when it just rings. I 309 00:17:05,560 --> 00:17:08,159 Speaker 1: have left tech text messages for him, and so I 310 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:11,600 Speaker 1: would think, and I've heard that police or the fugitive 311 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:14,960 Speaker 1: unit they're tracking that phone. That's what I've heard from 312 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:18,199 Speaker 1: my source. But as I told you, Nancy, Brad is 313 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 1: a wizard, and I know this from my own experience, 314 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:22,400 Speaker 1: he is a wizard with a cell phone. He can 315 00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:26,000 Speaker 1: he can likely make your phone paying in China somewhere 316 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:29,400 Speaker 1: you're sitting, you know, in Georgia. So I don't think 317 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:32,240 Speaker 1: they're taking much stock in that phone, because who knows 318 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:34,399 Speaker 1: a friend could have that phone. The other thing is 319 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:39,200 Speaker 1: this I called Brad's mother after Brad took a run 320 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:42,720 Speaker 1: for it, and I have spent time over his mother's house. 321 00:17:42,840 --> 00:17:46,560 Speaker 1: Our relationship right away wasn't the best because of course 322 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:49,000 Speaker 1: I'm a reporter and you know I'm over there. And 323 00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:51,600 Speaker 1: she basically said early on that Brad, every time you 324 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:53,840 Speaker 1: try to help with this thing, you know, it backfires 325 00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:56,320 Speaker 1: on you. Brad said at that time, no, Daniel, I'm 326 00:17:56,320 --> 00:17:57,760 Speaker 1: gonna I want to talk to you because I want 327 00:17:57,760 --> 00:18:01,679 Speaker 1: to clear my name. So the weeks following that, Brad's 328 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:03,600 Speaker 1: mother warmed up to me when I called her the 329 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:07,359 Speaker 1: other day after Brad went missing or he was on 330 00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:11,040 Speaker 1: the run. She told me that she believes that Brad 331 00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:13,760 Speaker 1: is innocent, and she said the reason that she believed 332 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:17,919 Speaker 1: that he's innocent is because he cooperated with police for 333 00:18:18,040 --> 00:18:21,240 Speaker 1: three years. I asked him whether she thought he was suicidal. 334 00:18:21,320 --> 00:18:23,919 Speaker 1: She says, I don't know. She says, please pray for 335 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:26,240 Speaker 1: my family, and she rushed me off the phone. 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Royalties earned from 390 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:56,440 Speaker 1: the cell of this book will be shared between the 391 00:21:56,520 --> 00:22:06,440 Speaker 1: victims or their families and the author. M What started 392 00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:12,040 Speaker 1: with our search finding Chase Masner has now sadly turned 393 00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:17,400 Speaker 1: to justice for Chase. Only one person knows what happened 394 00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:21,200 Speaker 1: to Chase Masner, and that person is Brad Clement. Take 395 00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:25,240 Speaker 1: a listen, why do you think everybody's point to figure 396 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:29,280 Speaker 1: at you? Because I'm the person that nobody knows and 397 00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:35,959 Speaker 1: I'm just like that odd piece and his disappearance doesn't 398 00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:40,720 Speaker 1: make sense, But in a way it does. If he 399 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:43,879 Speaker 1: kept telling people who's to leave and get live in 400 00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:46,280 Speaker 1: the woods. Are you sure about that? Yeah? That was 401 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:48,560 Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's well known to you. I'm pretty sure. 402 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:51,280 Speaker 1: I mean that he said that. I think his mom, 403 00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:55,200 Speaker 1: who knows that with me is Chase Masner wife, Amanda's mom, 404 00:22:55,359 --> 00:23:01,200 Speaker 1: Trey Morgan, you were telling us about us Pacific conversation 405 00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:04,359 Speaker 1: you had, Trey, Yes, I organized a UM search in 406 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:07,639 Speaker 1: June two thousand and fourteen. It was actually one of 407 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:11,800 Speaker 1: the first major searches done. UM and I contacted Piedemont 408 00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:15,199 Speaker 1: Search and Rescue and I got to daver dogs out there. UM. 409 00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:18,160 Speaker 1: We covered a very very very wide range. And actually 410 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:22,680 Speaker 1: Bill Hillsman is the person of the contact with the dogs. UM. 411 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:24,439 Speaker 1: Bill and I went out the day before the search. 412 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:26,679 Speaker 1: I believe it was June fourteen. He and I went 413 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:28,399 Speaker 1: out the day before the search by ourselves so that 414 00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:30,520 Speaker 1: the dogs would not be interrupted by people petting them 415 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:35,360 Speaker 1: in and foot so so what so forth. UM, we 416 00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:37,600 Speaker 1: searched all that area and then the next day we 417 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:41,639 Speaker 1: went to Brad's neighborhood and we we went on his property. 418 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:43,760 Speaker 1: Brad was out front and we talked to him and 419 00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:45,879 Speaker 1: we asked his permission if we could take the dogs 420 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:50,320 Speaker 1: on his property. And Brad is a very charismatic liar, 421 00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:55,440 Speaker 1: that's my identity for him. UM. He said, oh sure, sure, 422 00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:57,520 Speaker 1: you know, be my guest. You can take them all 423 00:23:57,520 --> 00:23:59,240 Speaker 1: over the front y artists you want to, and you 424 00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:02,120 Speaker 1: can take them all on the sense of the backyard. 425 00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:04,960 Speaker 1: And I asked him why, what was the problem, and 426 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:08,040 Speaker 1: he said he would not let us into the backyard 427 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:10,600 Speaker 1: and not let us around the concrete party at all. 428 00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:12,919 Speaker 1: And he told us the reason he blamed it on 429 00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:15,560 Speaker 1: it was because he had just had a literally small puppies, 430 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:17,840 Speaker 1: that he kept the puppies back there on the concrete 431 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:20,840 Speaker 1: padding and that he didn't want any other dogs around 432 00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:23,760 Speaker 1: that area. Um, it breaks my heart down. The thing 433 00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:26,600 Speaker 1: that we were out there that soon and that he 434 00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:29,640 Speaker 1: felt us from doing that. Well, that is the kind 435 00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:31,800 Speaker 1: of evidence that's going to come in at trial. I 436 00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:34,520 Speaker 1: can guarantee you that if it goes that far, because 437 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:40,359 Speaker 1: that shows such such a nefarious intent. It was not. 438 00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:44,639 Speaker 1: He's very good at speaking, and he just he's so 439 00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:47,920 Speaker 1: likable and and he's so sweet, and he was so 440 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:52,000 Speaker 1: appealing to us until he until he he until me 441 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:54,520 Speaker 1: mentioned the backyard, very just very want oh, I want 442 00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:56,720 Speaker 1: to help, and he even said if there's anything I 443 00:24:56,760 --> 00:24:59,400 Speaker 1: can do and it And what kills me right now 444 00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:01,720 Speaker 1: is the thing that you know what you say, you 445 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:03,879 Speaker 1: do anything to help find Shase. Why weren't you a 446 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:05,840 Speaker 1: part of the sirs. Why weren't you there because you 447 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:10,720 Speaker 1: already knew it was a waste of time. He already knew, Tray, 448 00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:14,760 Speaker 1: It hurts me so much to hear you crying, and 449 00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:18,720 Speaker 1: I know, I know that in your mind you and 450 00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:22,320 Speaker 1: Amanda had said, Okay, he's gotta be he's gotta be gone, 451 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:26,320 Speaker 1: he's got to be passed on. But still there's always 452 00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:32,200 Speaker 1: always that flicker of hope that somehow, some way he'd 453 00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:34,720 Speaker 1: find his way back home to his wife and his 454 00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:39,400 Speaker 1: two little girls. I'm just I'm just sick about it. Right. 455 00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:41,919 Speaker 1: So I work with I work with a homeless a lot, 456 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:44,600 Speaker 1: and I haven't that's kind of my heart and the 457 00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:47,639 Speaker 1: charity the home homeless and the elderly, and I was 458 00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:49,720 Speaker 1: just really in the back of my mind it was brilliant, 459 00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:52,040 Speaker 1: like someone like I heard someone else say that maybe 460 00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:54,320 Speaker 1: he would end up and you know, homeless on veteran 461 00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:56,040 Speaker 1: in the streets in the city somewhere, and we would 462 00:25:56,040 --> 00:26:00,520 Speaker 1: find him some day. But then I know that he 463 00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:04,480 Speaker 1: would leave. We are now joining the search for the 464 00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:06,919 Speaker 1: man that does have the answers, and that man is 465 00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:10,080 Speaker 1: Brad Clement. Now on the run. There's a bolow be 466 00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:12,919 Speaker 1: on the lookout for Brad Clement, believed to be driving 467 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:16,639 Speaker 1: a blue Honda. Now what one thing. Let me go 468 00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:20,600 Speaker 1: to Lee Egan with Crime online dot Com, who has 469 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:25,119 Speaker 1: been on the search as well. Lee, Why did dogs 470 00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:30,640 Speaker 1: finally end up in Brad Clement's backyard? How did that happen? 471 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:34,040 Speaker 1: Who orchestrated that? What happened was some of the ladies 472 00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:37,920 Speaker 1: from Team Chase and I believe Daniel with CBS. They 473 00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:41,320 Speaker 1: organized it um with Tracy Sargeant, she's the one with 474 00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:43,960 Speaker 1: the dogs. But they had to get permission first from 475 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:46,600 Speaker 1: the cold case unit who had the case. Cold case. 476 00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:49,639 Speaker 1: Given permission, they went out there and they got the hit. Okay, 477 00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:53,639 Speaker 1: go through that very slowly, tell me that one more timely, egan. Okay, 478 00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:56,600 Speaker 1: So the Team Chase ladies, they've been pressing to search 479 00:26:57,280 --> 00:27:00,840 Speaker 1: Brad's backyard for a long time. When the case was 480 00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:03,840 Speaker 1: transferred over to the cop County Cold Case Unit, that's 481 00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:06,720 Speaker 1: when they got their break. That's when they finally got permission. 482 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:10,320 Speaker 1: Because Tracy Sergeant wasn't gonna let her dog search without 483 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:13,679 Speaker 1: permission from law enforcement, they gave her permission and it 484 00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:17,600 Speaker 1: was at that point that they finally got in that backyard. Um. 485 00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:19,840 Speaker 1: And then right away there was two different dogs on 486 00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:24,080 Speaker 1: two separate occasions, hit on the exact same spot by 487 00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:27,320 Speaker 1: that concrete slab. And then with that they were able 488 00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:30,280 Speaker 1: to obtain a warrant um and then search and did 489 00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:32,840 Speaker 1: you know that is amazing to me, Lee Egan from 490 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:36,400 Speaker 1: Crime Online, because if it hadn't been for this group 491 00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:42,040 Speaker 1: banded together to help find Chase, we wouldn't know his 492 00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:45,840 Speaker 1: location even now, it would be another three years or 493 00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:50,200 Speaker 1: it maybe never that. And I don't understand why cops 494 00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:52,959 Speaker 1: didn't do this to start with. You know, joining me 495 00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:57,720 Speaker 1: is Kim Harris, Kim, what do you make of the 496 00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:00,280 Speaker 1: fact that every step of the way was like in 497 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:03,800 Speaker 1: teeth to get cops interested that they really believe Chase 498 00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:07,800 Speaker 1: just walked out on his whole life. It was, It 499 00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:11,080 Speaker 1: was very difficult in the beginning. We we did a lot. 500 00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:13,440 Speaker 1: I know that Cob County had some other very high 501 00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:18,720 Speaker 1: profile cases around the same time. Um justin Ross Harris 502 00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:20,520 Speaker 1: case happened right at the same time, which is a 503 00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:23,399 Speaker 1: very high profile case in Cobb County, and it was 504 00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:25,600 Speaker 1: unfortunate that it happened at the same time. And then 505 00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:29,080 Speaker 1: there were other circumstances that all of us believe kind 506 00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:32,600 Speaker 1: of came into place. But it's it's unfortunate. Wait wait, wait, wait, wait, 507 00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:35,480 Speaker 1: are you are you talking about um Baby Cooper? In 508 00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:38,520 Speaker 1: that case? That case was huge. That's true. But every 509 00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:40,959 Speaker 1: person in the d a's office and the police office, 510 00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:44,520 Speaker 1: police department was not working on that case. There were 511 00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:49,320 Speaker 1: cases being tried and cases being investigated every day of 512 00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:53,840 Speaker 1: the week seven three sixty five during the Coop Baby 513 00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:57,320 Speaker 1: Cooper case. I can promise you that so as I 514 00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:01,280 Speaker 1: don't understand that mm hm, that was her exist. It 515 00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:03,280 Speaker 1: was brought up to us that that case was was 516 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:05,480 Speaker 1: going on at that time, and it took a lot 517 00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:09,280 Speaker 1: of the investigators away from the office. Okay, the other thing, 518 00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:12,040 Speaker 1: the other thing though, this is Daniel Kerston, CBS fort six, Atlanta. 519 00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:14,760 Speaker 1: The other thing was and you know, Stephanie, this has 520 00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:17,520 Speaker 1: been one of her concerns that at first they said that, 521 00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:19,880 Speaker 1: you know, Chase was grown, he could you know, leave 522 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:21,680 Speaker 1: out if he wanted to and get lost if he 523 00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:25,920 Speaker 1: wanted to. And so there were hours that were in, 524 00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:30,800 Speaker 1: days and weeks that were lost where critical evidence. Because 525 00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:33,080 Speaker 1: of my investigation I've been covering, a lot of evidence 526 00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:38,239 Speaker 1: was not um Oh, Daniel Wilkerson talent man, I mean, 527 00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:41,640 Speaker 1: nobody illumine all the place. Nobody looked for blood spatter, 528 00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:47,720 Speaker 1: nobody looked for DNA on pillows like saliva. Nothing, nothing, 529 00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:51,280 Speaker 1: Nobody searched the bathroom drains, nothing where you would have 530 00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:55,440 Speaker 1: expect to found blood, even the ceilings for throwback, nothing 531 00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:58,840 Speaker 1: was done and now it's too late to recreate that. 532 00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:01,280 Speaker 1: They could tear the house down, probably not find anything, 533 00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:04,800 Speaker 1: and if they could find anything, the time period has 534 00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:09,560 Speaker 1: all but ruined any potential DNA evidence. Um, you're right. 535 00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:12,480 Speaker 1: What do police have to say about that, Daniel Wilkerson? 536 00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:14,360 Speaker 1: They will not say anything. And let's and I want 537 00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:16,440 Speaker 1: to make to you know, make sure that listeners know 538 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:20,200 Speaker 1: the Cobb County Police Department had this for three years. 539 00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:25,200 Speaker 1: Christopher Twiggs, who I've heard is a very good UM detective, 540 00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:27,480 Speaker 1: he came into it late in the game and he 541 00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:30,160 Speaker 1: was the most help probably out of all of them. 542 00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:32,680 Speaker 1: But he was not on it during those initial hours. 543 00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:37,720 Speaker 1: And then three years later, recently the Cobb County d 544 00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:41,160 Speaker 1: a's Cold case unit got it and they saw helpful 545 00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:43,040 Speaker 1: of the case. I would say, along with Team Chase. 546 00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:45,160 Speaker 1: They solved it in a matter of I don't know, 547 00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:47,560 Speaker 1: probably less than four months. But it was Team Chase 548 00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:52,840 Speaker 1: who pushed bringing the dogs out right, not the cops. Yes, okay, 549 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:55,280 Speaker 1: let's talk about Brad Clements on the run take a 550 00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:59,160 Speaker 1: listen to Brad Clement and what he had to say. 551 00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:02,840 Speaker 1: I remember this like it was yesterday when Daniel and 552 00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:06,960 Speaker 1: I arranged a meeting between Brad Clement, the man now 553 00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:14,800 Speaker 1: suspected in the homicide of Chase Masner, met Chase's mother. Listen, Stephanie, 554 00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:20,000 Speaker 1: what you've been waiting for? Brad the last person that, 555 00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:25,680 Speaker 1: as of right now we know saw Chase alive. And 556 00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:28,000 Speaker 1: I know you've got a lot of questions hit it, 557 00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:33,920 Speaker 1: but what was the last thing Chase said to you? When? 558 00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:36,640 Speaker 1: When was the last time you talked to him? Oh, 559 00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:39,200 Speaker 1: last time I talked to him. I mean we're just 560 00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:42,280 Speaker 1: talking about him and amanded pretty much, and uh, you 561 00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:47,480 Speaker 1: know it was the exact words. I can't you know, 562 00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:49,880 Speaker 1: I can't remember because I mean we're pretty much just 563 00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:52,720 Speaker 1: having a good time like that was, you know, he'd 564 00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:57,040 Speaker 1: come over and we were just you know, again, I 565 00:31:57,040 --> 00:31:59,440 Speaker 1: pretty much reiterated the fact that he was a lucky 566 00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:01,480 Speaker 1: guy to have, if you know, a wife and two 567 00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:04,080 Speaker 1: little girls that loved him. And I mean that's all 568 00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:07,040 Speaker 1: I would ever really tell him about that. Like, we 569 00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:10,920 Speaker 1: never got really into depth of, you know, how they 570 00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:13,200 Speaker 1: were fighting or what they were fighting over. I think 571 00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:15,920 Speaker 1: he mainly just wanted to kind of, you know, upbreak 572 00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:20,720 Speaker 1: from her, and you know that was what do you 573 00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:23,400 Speaker 1: think they were fighting around. I mean I think it 574 00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:27,120 Speaker 1: was about him working and then her not working, and 575 00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:31,240 Speaker 1: you know basically you know her you know, wanting more 576 00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:34,960 Speaker 1: money or something. And then you know he was mad 577 00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:38,280 Speaker 1: at her because she wasn't working and you know, he 578 00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:40,280 Speaker 1: was working in his butt off like a quick trip 579 00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:42,160 Speaker 1: all the time. And I think she was about to 580 00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:44,720 Speaker 1: get a job. She had just gotten a job, right, 581 00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:52,240 Speaker 1: and um, you know that's really I mean, the the 582 00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:54,160 Speaker 1: the extent of like kind of what we talked about 583 00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:57,880 Speaker 1: with them. I mean, it it seemed that you know, 584 00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:02,440 Speaker 1: that wasn't that really wasn't like why he wanted to 585 00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:04,120 Speaker 1: come hang out with me. I think it was more 586 00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:05,960 Speaker 1: or less just to get away from her, you know, 587 00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:08,280 Speaker 1: just to kind of have a break from her. But 588 00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:12,000 Speaker 1: I mean whatever he said about like going to sleep 589 00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:14,000 Speaker 1: in the wood and stuff like that, like, I never 590 00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:16,040 Speaker 1: I never really believed him. You know, I thought, did 591 00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:18,080 Speaker 1: he actually say that to you? Yeah, he actually said that, 592 00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:21,400 Speaker 1: But it was more like he told her that, you know, 593 00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:23,400 Speaker 1: whether than it wasn't like telling me that, you know, 594 00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:25,080 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go sleep in the woods. He's like I 595 00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:26,880 Speaker 1: told her I was gonna go sleep in the woods, 596 00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:29,560 Speaker 1: you know, as you know, just to kind of and 597 00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:33,800 Speaker 1: he ever actually done that before. And I mean that 598 00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:35,280 Speaker 1: that I think he was just telling her that just 599 00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:39,040 Speaker 1: to kind of get her to you know, just scared, 600 00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:40,960 Speaker 1: you know, or you know, try to get her to 601 00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:45,320 Speaker 1: listen more. And you know, I never all the PTSD 602 00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:48,040 Speaker 1: stuff for the bipolar nous. I never saw that him. 603 00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:50,640 Speaker 1: Like he was always really happy around me and you know, 604 00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:53,160 Speaker 1: really cheerful guy, like he was fun to be around. 605 00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:55,000 Speaker 1: Like I mean, he was a nice guy. Like That's 606 00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:57,959 Speaker 1: why I was, you know, all about helping him out 607 00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:01,200 Speaker 1: the best I could. Like, I mean, he never never 608 00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:04,120 Speaker 1: seemed like the suicidal type or anything like that. Like 609 00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:07,280 Speaker 1: I never saw that part of him at all. And uh, 610 00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:10,680 Speaker 1: I mean it wasn't that side of Yeah, I mean 611 00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:12,799 Speaker 1: he seemed like I mean I just remember like his 612 00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:16,359 Speaker 1: ring tone from being over my house that day was 613 00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:19,160 Speaker 1: the Farrelle song where it's like I'm happy, you know, 614 00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:21,160 Speaker 1: his ring tone and everything, and like you know, he 615 00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:23,800 Speaker 1: would like you know, dance to it, and he was 616 00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:27,160 Speaker 1: really happy guy like I was. Yeah, and like I 617 00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:32,239 Speaker 1: never saw this you know, bipolar, you know, crazy meaning 618 00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:35,000 Speaker 1: that Amanda would kind of paint to me about it, 619 00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:37,680 Speaker 1: you know, from the couple of times I talked to her, 620 00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:41,560 Speaker 1: like the twenty years before that I raised him before 621 00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:44,839 Speaker 1: join the army. I never saw it either. Yeah, I mean, 622 00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:47,000 Speaker 1: and like I said, I didn't really know him that long, 623 00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:51,480 Speaker 1: but I never I never saw that, you know, that 624 00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:53,719 Speaker 1: dark side of him that people say or you know, 625 00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:56,480 Speaker 1: just from the talk on Facebook and all that, like. 626 00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:01,520 Speaker 1: And that's that's another thing that know, just bothered me 627 00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:05,360 Speaker 1: about this whole thing, was that it was you know, 628 00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:08,880 Speaker 1: I never saw any of the stuff that that you 629 00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:12,320 Speaker 1: know of him, you know, being you know crazy to 630 00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:15,160 Speaker 1: Amanda or whatnot, or the stuff that she says, you 631 00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:17,719 Speaker 1: know about them fighting. What does she say that he did? 632 00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:21,600 Speaker 1: I mean, it was just what it's I mean, what 633 00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:25,600 Speaker 1: does she say just you know about screaming in front 634 00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:27,840 Speaker 1: of the kids and stuff like that, and that's pretty 635 00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:30,480 Speaker 1: much you know what she just should put him out 636 00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:34,200 Speaker 1: of the car. Yeah, But they started arguing about um 637 00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:36,120 Speaker 1: something and then he would start screaming in front of 638 00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:37,680 Speaker 1: the kids, and then she would make him get out 639 00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:39,440 Speaker 1: of the car to stop yelling. In front of the 640 00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:43,600 Speaker 1: girls pretty much. And I mean, I guess that's that 641 00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:46,839 Speaker 1: night she dropped him off at that Quick Trip that um, 642 00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:49,200 Speaker 1: they were screaming and yelling in front of the kids. 643 00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:50,960 Speaker 1: But when I picked him up, he was inside the 644 00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:54,160 Speaker 1: Quick Trip, you know, already kind of you know, being Chase, 645 00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:57,279 Speaker 1: funny guy. Like you know the picture that it looks 646 00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:00,080 Speaker 1: like he's like really messed up on drugs that you 647 00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:02,520 Speaker 1: see on Facebook, Like he was just what were the 648 00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:05,960 Speaker 1: two drinks? They was holding energy drinks and he was 649 00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:08,680 Speaker 1: just messing around, like just being a funny guy. You know. 650 00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:11,760 Speaker 1: That was Chase. You know, he was, you know, if anything, 651 00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:14,120 Speaker 1: just you know, laid back guy. There was, you know, 652 00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:17,840 Speaker 1: a smoker, you know, just chill and that's I was 653 00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:22,280 Speaker 1: kind of just some of the you know, I enjoyed 654 00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:24,040 Speaker 1: being around him. I thought he was a cool guy, 655 00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:27,080 Speaker 1: you know. And that's happened that day. So you picked 656 00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:30,359 Speaker 1: him up that night at Quick Trip because you got 657 00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:33,080 Speaker 1: a call to come get him. And where did you 658 00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:36,400 Speaker 1: guys got Just my house And that wasn't very far away. 659 00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:38,680 Speaker 1: I mean you could walk there from the Quick Trip 660 00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:41,160 Speaker 1: and when you got home to your place that was 661 00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:45,280 Speaker 1: like a four bedroom something something hum and you stood 662 00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:47,960 Speaker 1: up all night putting a computer together. And what was 663 00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:51,440 Speaker 1: he doing? Just you know, talking like he loved I mean, 664 00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:53,239 Speaker 1: he was sitting there talking to me about stuff and 665 00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:56,239 Speaker 1: like we were just you know, he wanted to um. 666 00:36:56,360 --> 00:37:00,040 Speaker 1: He asked me about getting some of the uh, the 667 00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:02,040 Speaker 1: paint hills, the things or whatnot. And I guess him 668 00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:05,120 Speaker 1: and Amanda had had been you know, getting gotten from 669 00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:10,319 Speaker 1: Alan before the UM. What are they the Roxley contents? Yeah, 670 00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:12,480 Speaker 1: that's what I was telling you earlier. But you know 671 00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:14,880 Speaker 1: I told him, you know, from my experience with that 672 00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:19,480 Speaker 1: stuff that you know, stuffs to the devil. Our focus 673 00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:22,320 Speaker 1: has turned now and this is a day we hoped 674 00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:26,840 Speaker 1: would never come. From finding Chase Masner to justice for 675 00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:29,759 Speaker 1: Chase Master and part of that is bringing in the 676 00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:35,200 Speaker 1: man we now think responsible for Chase's death. Was it 677 00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:40,280 Speaker 1: an accidental death? Was it something else? Only one person knows, 678 00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:45,280 Speaker 1: and that person is Chase Masner's so called friend, Brad Clement. 679 00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:48,160 Speaker 1: Joining me right now from Team Chase is Sherry high 680 00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:51,759 Speaker 1: Shary Way in. I just really think that he needs 681 00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:55,080 Speaker 1: to see the right thing. Come give this mom what 682 00:37:55,200 --> 00:38:00,480 Speaker 1: she needs her answers. And if you're not guilty. Run. Well, 683 00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:04,000 Speaker 1: it's going to come into evidence and there's no doubt 684 00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:06,920 Speaker 1: about that. Daniel Wilkerson, if this ever does go to trial, 685 00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:12,000 Speaker 1: that he fled now under the law, flight in some 686 00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:19,400 Speaker 1: jurisdictions can be regarded as in disha of guilt, because 687 00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:21,080 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know about you, Daniel, but when 688 00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:23,200 Speaker 1: I see a cop come up behind me on the interstate, 689 00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:25,000 Speaker 1: I might tap the brakes a little bit, but I 690 00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:27,680 Speaker 1: don't take off m P A S to try to 691 00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:31,279 Speaker 1: get away. I'm not fleeing anything. So the fact that 692 00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:36,240 Speaker 1: he went on the run will be noted by a jury. Um, 693 00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:40,080 Speaker 1: you say that police have told you or your sources 694 00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:43,920 Speaker 1: have told you that they have an idea where Brad 695 00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:47,920 Speaker 1: Clement is and where would that be, Daniel, They do 696 00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:51,000 Speaker 1: not want that release just yet. Um. They did tell 697 00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:54,319 Speaker 1: me off the record, but they don't know what he's 698 00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:58,000 Speaker 1: listening to, what sources he has. They did tell me 699 00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:00,680 Speaker 1: that they believe that he is moving. Long what do 700 00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:03,680 Speaker 1: we know about him? What do we really know with 701 00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:09,440 Speaker 1: me as Amanda's mother, Trey Morgan Trey, what does Amanda 702 00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:13,440 Speaker 1: really know about Brad Clement? Amanda didn't really even know 703 00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:16,560 Speaker 1: him before all of this started. I mean that this 704 00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:18,480 Speaker 1: was just someone that Jase had met a quick trip, 705 00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:20,800 Speaker 1: and I'm sure that Brad had come in there several 706 00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:23,239 Speaker 1: times because of course that's the last door on the 707 00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:25,000 Speaker 1: way and once you turn on his road to go 708 00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:28,640 Speaker 1: to listen to his neighborhood. Um, this was very, very 709 00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:31,200 Speaker 1: There was no friendship here like with Amanda and Brad 710 00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:34,120 Speaker 1: um and and all that. They just got thrown in 711 00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:37,520 Speaker 1: together when all of this happened. And for him to 712 00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:42,640 Speaker 1: just blatantly lie to Amanda and to Stephanie is just 713 00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:46,319 Speaker 1: right prehensible. It's just insane. How someone can do that 714 00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:48,799 Speaker 1: is that that's a psychopath. And you know they said 715 00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:50,960 Speaker 1: Jeffrey Dahmer was sweet as well. Well, this guy is 716 00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:54,279 Speaker 1: really nice, and you know, I'm so angry right now. 717 00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:56,560 Speaker 1: You know what, You're right about that, Tray Morgan. You're 718 00:39:56,640 --> 00:40:00,759 Speaker 1: right because when Daniel and I um found him and 719 00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:04,239 Speaker 1: that flop bows he was in, we went in there 720 00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:08,440 Speaker 1: and he was completely different Daniel than what I had expected. 721 00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:12,480 Speaker 1: Daniel will Krison joining me from Channel and he was 722 00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:17,279 Speaker 1: likable and laid back. He tried to get us to 723 00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:19,040 Speaker 1: leave so he could take a share. I'm like, oh no, 724 00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:22,920 Speaker 1: We're fine, I'll sit right here, no, no problem. But 725 00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:28,160 Speaker 1: the demeanor he had belied the possibility he was a 726 00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:31,160 Speaker 1: killer because he let us in. He would talk as 727 00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:34,000 Speaker 1: long as we wanted to talk. And but did you 728 00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:36,680 Speaker 1: notice Daniel right after that he quit his job and 729 00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:41,600 Speaker 1: left town. Remember that, And don't forget Nancy. We took 730 00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:45,799 Speaker 1: bread with us to meet Stephanie. What really breaks my heart, 731 00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:49,080 Speaker 1: Trey Morgan, is if you had seen Stephanie. And I've 732 00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:51,960 Speaker 1: got it when I'm looking back on it, it's so apparent. 733 00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:55,160 Speaker 1: There was just this real you guys, remember this, this real, 734 00:40:56,360 --> 00:41:02,839 Speaker 1: weird feeling, this awkwardness. Something's not right. You know that 735 00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:08,680 Speaker 1: you get when something is just wrong. When she Stephanie Chase, 736 00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:13,040 Speaker 1: his mom wanted to ask Brad, like what happened? Oh 737 00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:16,160 Speaker 1: oh no, I'm remembering, guys. Do you remember what she 738 00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:19,600 Speaker 1: asked Brad? She said, did he say anything about me? 739 00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:25,799 Speaker 1: Did he mention me? Oh? Man, I just remember that 740 00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:28,759 Speaker 1: because it just wasn't making sense in her mind that 741 00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:32,480 Speaker 1: her baby boy would just leave her, that loved her 742 00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:34,680 Speaker 1: so much, that texted her all the time, that came 743 00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:40,040 Speaker 1: over and spent the night. She was and Brad kind 744 00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:44,719 Speaker 1: of like, remember Brad kind of clammed up when she 745 00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:46,840 Speaker 1: went to hug him to just try to find anything. 746 00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:50,120 Speaker 1: There was something like oil and water. It just was 747 00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:54,680 Speaker 1: not the the empathy on Brad's part that you would 748 00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:56,640 Speaker 1: go up to this woman. I mean when we I 749 00:41:56,719 --> 00:41:58,319 Speaker 1: met her for the first time, I just wanted to 750 00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:02,520 Speaker 1: hug her and try to come soular But he was very, 751 00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:05,000 Speaker 1: very awkward. Do you guys remember that or is it 752 00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:08,280 Speaker 1: just me? Yes, no, I remember? Do you guys remember 753 00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:11,480 Speaker 1: we played the video of Chase talking to his little girls, 754 00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:14,840 Speaker 1: and everybody in the room was tearing up and crying 755 00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:17,080 Speaker 1: listening to this. And I look over at Brad and 756 00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:19,759 Speaker 1: he's in his own little world like he didn't care, 757 00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:22,879 Speaker 1: you know, just twiddling his thumbs, looking away, just absolutely 758 00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:26,759 Speaker 1: no emotion whatsoever. Daniel Wilkerson, Channel forty six. You have 759 00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:29,640 Speaker 1: a statement from Stephanie. I wanted to know if she 760 00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:32,280 Speaker 1: had given any thought to how she would keep Chase's 761 00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:36,160 Speaker 1: memory alive, and she responded that she said it will 762 00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:39,640 Speaker 1: be um Chase's humor and how he viewed life. She 763 00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:43,240 Speaker 1: says he was the most amazing person that made everyone 764 00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:47,240 Speaker 1: smile always and he will continue to do so forever. 765 00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:51,520 Speaker 1: That's what she said. Guys, it just seems that everything 766 00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:54,719 Speaker 1: is a hurdle to be crossed in this case. But 767 00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:57,600 Speaker 1: I gotta tell you something, and Daniel you probably know 768 00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:02,240 Speaker 1: this too. It's like this. In every criminal investigation, nothing 769 00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:06,360 Speaker 1: is ever easy. That's why you pay cops and pay 770 00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:10,920 Speaker 1: investigators to beat the streets and find the answers. And 771 00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:18,799 Speaker 1: I just cannot commend Team Chase, Daniel Tray, everyone that 772 00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:21,200 Speaker 1: has worked this case and put so much time and 773 00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:26,359 Speaker 1: energy into it. I gotta tell you something. It just 774 00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:29,319 Speaker 1: it just breaks my heart because you know what, I'm 775 00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:33,560 Speaker 1: gonna be with my children. I'm gonna be with my husband, 776 00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:39,080 Speaker 1: and I'm gonna be with my mom. They will never 777 00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:44,040 Speaker 1: have that again. They will never have it. You'll see, Daniel, 778 00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:47,680 Speaker 1: You'll see when you have a baby, you think you 779 00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:50,120 Speaker 1: know about love, you think you know about happiness. That's 780 00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:53,080 Speaker 1: just what I thought. M m mmmmm. I was just 781 00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:57,160 Speaker 1: dumb and happy. Everything changes when you have those children. 782 00:43:57,280 --> 00:44:00,239 Speaker 1: Is just it's a love like nothing I have ever 783 00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:04,719 Speaker 1: now on this earth. And to think what has been 784 00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:08,399 Speaker 1: done to not just Stephanie, his mother, but to his 785 00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:15,560 Speaker 1: children who will never have their dad. I'm just Trey 786 00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:18,719 Speaker 1: Morgan doing his girls even understand what's happening. Sorry, I 787 00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:22,279 Speaker 1: was crying, said, um, um, that's one of the reasons 788 00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:24,520 Speaker 1: I'm really angry as well, is because he took their 789 00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:28,680 Speaker 1: daddy away from them, and um, it's how do you 790 00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:32,799 Speaker 1: handle a situation where your little four year old granddaughter 791 00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:35,680 Speaker 1: is laying in your lap crying because she missed her 792 00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:40,399 Speaker 1: daddy and she doesn't know where he is. And we've 793 00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:45,200 Speaker 1: had a long road and the girls they have no 794 00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:47,719 Speaker 1: idea what they're going to miss out on because of 795 00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:53,560 Speaker 1: Bradman and this chase. He loves being there. Daddy absolutely 796 00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:57,120 Speaker 1: loved it. He was a wonderful father and they were 797 00:44:57,200 --> 00:45:00,359 Speaker 1: very close. And poor little Addie she was just when 798 00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:03,640 Speaker 1: she's never ever gonna know that be in it, and 799 00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:08,360 Speaker 1: it really breaks my heart. He took something very precious 800 00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:10,719 Speaker 1: away from all of us, you know. Try. I was 801 00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:16,160 Speaker 1: just talking to my little girl Lucy today and she says, Mommy, 802 00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:18,919 Speaker 1: what what was you seem sad today? And I said, 803 00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:21,320 Speaker 1: you know what, little girl, I'm just missing my dad 804 00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:27,560 Speaker 1: so much today. I cannot even imagine, you know, at 805 00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:31,000 Speaker 1: least I had him, at least I had him for 806 00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:34,879 Speaker 1: many many years. I can't even imagine what my wife 807 00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:37,600 Speaker 1: would be like if I never got to be with 808 00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:41,239 Speaker 1: my dad. We lost Amanda's daughthern when when she was 809 00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:44,279 Speaker 1: ten years old the cancer, and now she has got 810 00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:46,440 Speaker 1: to get through the same thing I did. Well, if 811 00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:50,760 Speaker 1: this is any consolation, please tell Amanda we have prayed 812 00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:54,400 Speaker 1: and prayed and prayed. No, this is not the answer 813 00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:57,240 Speaker 1: she wanted. I know it's not. It's not the answer 814 00:45:57,280 --> 00:45:59,480 Speaker 1: any of us wanted. But I can tell you this. 815 00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:03,080 Speaker 1: We're staying on it until we bring Brad Clement back. 816 00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:10,600 Speaker 1: Nancy Grace Crime Stories signing off, Goodbye friend. H