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Speaker 2: Who want to verybody. Welcome to the Fantasy Flex from

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Speaker 2: Raybaon and I am joined as always by the odds

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Speaker 2: maker Sean Kerner. Sean, I got to give you some

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Speaker 2: well deserved congrats. Fantasy Pros just released their top ten

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Speaker 2: accuracy with for season long over the past three c

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Speaker 2: five as expected. And I'm right right on your heels

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Speaker 2: at number six. So two of the top six experts

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Speaker 2: is what you guys are listening to today. But how

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Speaker 2: are you feeling? Man? Congrats?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, thanks you as well. I think that's always significant.

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Speaker 1: Like you know, combining the last three seasons, you take

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Speaker 1: know we're both top ten. Let's keep it rolling. But

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Speaker 1: I'm super excited. You know, training camp is here, some

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Speaker 1: can't wait to talk about you know, all these teams

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Speaker 1: and also you know, preseasons right around the corner, and

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, this is this is the best time of year,

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Speaker 2: On this podcast, we'll go through two training camp questions

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Speaker 2: And as I mentioned, we're gonna go into some training

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Speaker 2: camp questions and let's start it. You know, we always

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Speaker 1: This? Is it?

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Speaker 2: Did I call it the AFC Central or NFC Central

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Speaker 1: He is a pocket passer. But he's gonna help unlock

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Speaker 1: guys like Drake London, Darnell Mooney, who, like I mentioned,

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Speaker 1: think either way, it's just gonna make the offense more

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Speaker 2: That's the that's the thought, you know before we move on.

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Speaker 2: You know, that is interesting. If you're throwing deep, you're

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Speaker 2: Do you think it's you think that's gonna impact Bijon

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Speaker 2: or you think they'll like use Pits on some long right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's talk about this running game, because you know,

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Speaker 1: What about you? Yeah, I think that that makes sense.

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Speaker 1: All right.

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Speaker 2: New Orleans, man, oh boy, New Orleans. So this is

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Speaker 2: be a league winner or a bust? Going at running

428
00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:13,960
Speaker 2: back eighteen?

429
00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:17,320
Speaker 1: Oh well, how do we define league winner? Like he

430
00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:18,760
Speaker 1: finishes inside the top ten?

431
00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:20,080
Speaker 2: Yeah?

432
00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:23,320
Speaker 1: Like yeah, yeah, like he's his busts include him getting

433
00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:25,880
Speaker 1: hurt because he could get hurt week two of course.

434
00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:29,720
Speaker 1: Oh well, then probably more likely to be a bust though,

435
00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:33,840
Speaker 1: but I think if healthy, he'll probably return value at

436
00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:37,040
Speaker 1: RBA team because I do think the Saints will be

437
00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:39,080
Speaker 1: bad this year. Their win totals what five and a

438
00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:41,800
Speaker 1: half right now, Typically you want to avoid running backs

439
00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:44,960
Speaker 1: in those situations, but in because of you know the

440
00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:48,959
Speaker 1: potential of negative game scripts. But when it comes to Kamara,

441
00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:51,760
Speaker 1: that that helps him out because we want him catching passes.

442
00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:54,520
Speaker 1: So he might not be sat up with you know

443
00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:58,040
Speaker 1: a lot of goal line easy touchdowns, but he's going

444
00:23:58,119 --> 00:23:59,680
Speaker 1: to get a ton of catches. So I think it

445
00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:02,879
Speaker 1: on your format, if you're in a full PPR, I

446
00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:06,160
Speaker 1: think Camera could still pop this year. He does turn

447
00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:10,280
Speaker 1: thirty in ten days, so that, you know, is a concern.

448
00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:12,600
Speaker 1: But I just think with his playing style and what

449
00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:16,600
Speaker 1: he needs to go off trailing game scripts and a

450
00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:20,239
Speaker 1: rookie quarterback that will probably you know, dump it off

451
00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:23,359
Speaker 1: to him quite a bit. You know, I could warrant

452
00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:26,359
Speaker 1: drafting him at RB eight team, but there is some

453
00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:29,200
Speaker 1: risk here, especially if you know their season goes south

454
00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:32,320
Speaker 1: and he's not playing towards the end of the year,

455
00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:34,240
Speaker 1: that that would be a concern. But I think just

456
00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:37,679
Speaker 1: given the situation, it does feed into what Kamara does

457
00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:38,360
Speaker 1: best at least.

458
00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:41,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, like I can hear it, like you're not excited

459
00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:45,959
Speaker 2: about Kamara and nobody is. I'm taking him everywhere at

460
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:50,800
Speaker 2: this point because listen, if this team is the worst

461
00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:53,200
Speaker 2: team in the league, Alan Kamara is the best pass

462
00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:55,359
Speaker 2: catching back in the league right now. I mean, if

463
00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:57,880
Speaker 2: you look at I mean, Christian McCaffrey, can you stay

464
00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:02,280
Speaker 2: on the field, I don't know. Alvin Camara pound for pounds,

465
00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:04,800
Speaker 2: you look at the targets per route. I mean, he's

466
00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:08,040
Speaker 2: going to catch passes. And now you're talking about starting

467
00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:12,840
Speaker 2: the rookie tylers shuck and what's his issue? He wants

468
00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:14,480
Speaker 2: to get rid of the ball. He doesn't want to

469
00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:16,720
Speaker 2: stand in the pocket and get hit right that they're

470
00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:19,760
Speaker 2: already that's what everyone's talking about, is fatal fall. Well,

471
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:24,320
Speaker 2: who are you gonna dump it to? When the times

472
00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:27,640
Speaker 2: get rough, It's gonna be Kamara. There's also Taysom Hills

473
00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:32,440
Speaker 2: probably out for the year, so and there's no Jamal

474
00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:36,320
Speaker 2: Williams mark ingram Am I forgetting somebody like. There's none

475
00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:39,919
Speaker 2: of those guys there. So nobody just siphon goal line opportunities.

476
00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:41,960
Speaker 2: Should they arise Tamara?

477
00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:43,480
Speaker 1: No, real not.

478
00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:47,120
Speaker 2: He is gonna be thirty. But the tread is he's

479
00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:49,360
Speaker 2: been kind of keeping his workload in check. Every year

480
00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:54,359
Speaker 2: he plays, you know, between thirteen and fifteen games, and

481
00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:58,080
Speaker 2: you know he doesn't ever hit. He doesn't hit three

482
00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:01,600
Speaker 2: hundred touches ever in the season. He came close last year,

483
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:05,280
Speaker 2: so kind of. And then he's doing a lot in

484
00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:08,560
Speaker 2: the receiving game. So I like Kamara here. Again, I

485
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:10,920
Speaker 2: think it would be different if this was like a

486
00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:15,120
Speaker 2: gutted Saints roster with a defensive coach like Dennis Sound.

487
00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:18,440
Speaker 2: But this is Kellen Moore coming here. Kamara's upside is

488
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:21,159
Speaker 2: like a poor man Saquon Barkley, like usage wise, like

489
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:23,800
Speaker 2: he's not gonna get He's not gonna get those long

490
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:26,240
Speaker 2: runs that bark We had. He was past that point

491
00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:30,480
Speaker 2: in Kamara's career. But Kellen Moore is not just gonna

492
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:33,000
Speaker 2: stand by and like let everything go to shit. He's

493
00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:36,560
Speaker 2: gonna use the guys at his disposal and right, and

494
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:39,040
Speaker 2: Kamara is just that most likely guy. I mean, Olave

495
00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:41,520
Speaker 2: is probably a little undervalue too, but we know like

496
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:47,320
Speaker 2: one one hit and the concussion issue. So Camara's I

497
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:50,560
Speaker 2: mean again, he's He's never really had a serious injury.

498
00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:55,320
Speaker 2: He's always missed a few games or but never nothing

499
00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:58,120
Speaker 2: too serious. Always been between thirteen and fifteen, ever since

500
00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:00,840
Speaker 2: his rookie year when he played all sixteen so yeah,

501
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:03,080
Speaker 2: I think he's he's like another one of these James

502
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:06,680
Speaker 2: Connor types, except without the you know, it's kind of

503
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:10,440
Speaker 2: like the injury upside is of the injury downside doesn't

504
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:12,560
Speaker 2: seem quite as serious. Like with Connor, it seems like

505
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:15,159
Speaker 2: you could have a more serious injury, whereas with Kamara

506
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:17,360
Speaker 2: he might you know, bang something up here and there.

507
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:20,439
Speaker 2: But yeah, I just think the pass catching gives him

508
00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:23,280
Speaker 2: massive upside that not many bats have this day and age,

509
00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:25,320
Speaker 2: because like running backs are getting thrown too west and

510
00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:28,280
Speaker 2: west because it's just not that efficient unless you really

511
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:30,000
Speaker 2: have a guy that can do it.

512
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:33,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, Kamara is prone to self like soft

513
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:36,000
Speaker 1: tissue injuries like everybody else, but if you watch him run,

514
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:39,080
Speaker 1: like he's very good at avoiding like big hits. He's

515
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:40,880
Speaker 1: like a self driving car where he just knows where

516
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:43,600
Speaker 1: everybody is around him, and you know, he knows how

517
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:45,879
Speaker 1: to take hits. So I agree, I think, you know,

518
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:49,240
Speaker 1: he knows how to stay healthy and to your point,

519
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:52,399
Speaker 1: like you could be law on the Saints. But like

520
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 1: I said, that kind of feeds into what Camara does

521
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:57,359
Speaker 1: best as a pass catcher, so that actually, you know,

522
00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:00,720
Speaker 1: increases upside. So yeah, I could get on board with that,

523
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:02,720
Speaker 1: taking him just inside the top twenty.

524
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:05,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's gonna be my James Connor, like my new

525
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:08,240
Speaker 2: James Connor. Like he's getting to that same draft. I

526
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:09,960
Speaker 2: think they go back to back in a lot of drafts.

527
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:14,639
Speaker 2: But have you speaking of self driving cars? I haven't

528
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:16,760
Speaker 2: ridden in a way MO yet.

529
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:19,640
Speaker 1: No, I haven't. Am I messing out?

530
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 2: I mean it's pretty cool. I mean just like something

531
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 2: that I mean, it's not it's only in a few cities,

532
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:28,160
Speaker 2: and our city happens to be one of them. So yeah,

533
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:30,720
Speaker 2: definitely check it out. It's like the thing we thought

534
00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:32,200
Speaker 2: of his kids that we didn't know if it was

535
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:34,560
Speaker 2: gonna be possible in our lifetime. Like that gets in

536
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:38,920
Speaker 2: futuristic shit with all those flying saucers like Ramo's probably

537
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:41,440
Speaker 2: one of the closest things things to it. And yeah,

538
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:44,200
Speaker 2: you could throw your own music on and it's pretty

539
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:48,360
Speaker 2: dope not dope. Uh, all right, what you got for me,

540
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:49,000
Speaker 2: New Orleans?

541
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:53,080
Speaker 1: Well let's go with you know, will Tyler shuck show

542
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:56,440
Speaker 1: enough to be the Week one starter? You know, presumably

543
00:28:57,160 --> 00:29:00,560
Speaker 1: he's going to be in a QB battle with Spencer

544
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:03,200
Speaker 1: Rattler and Jake Kyner who both saw a playing time

545
00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:04,760
Speaker 1: last year, so it's not like the same don't know

546
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:09,239
Speaker 1: what they have, but you know, Derek Carr retiring kind

547
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:11,760
Speaker 1: of forced the issue here, so they took Chuck in

548
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:14,560
Speaker 1: the second round. But what are your thoughts on just

549
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:17,480
Speaker 1: his chances of being, you know, the week one starter,

550
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:19,400
Speaker 1: and how he'll be as a rookie.

551
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:23,160
Speaker 2: You're it's gonna be I think like a Davis Mills

552
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:25,760
Speaker 2: type situation. He's probably gonna surprise everyone and start like

553
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:29,400
Speaker 2: all the games as a rookie, not be too great,

554
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:37,320
Speaker 2: but uh, think about it. Reheem change the most pro

555
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:40,840
Speaker 2: ready quarterback. He's the oldest quarterback in the draft, you know,

556
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 2: considered very pro ready. Was kind of a surprise pick,

557
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 2: considered to reach the only reason you take you reach

558
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:53,680
Speaker 2: on an older quarterback, you know, kind of statuesque guy

559
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:57,160
Speaker 2: who is pro ready. That was you know on most

560
00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 2: people's boards. Is like a third fourth rounder is a

561
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:04,920
Speaker 2: if you intend to start like Hainer Rattler. First of all,

562
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 2: those guys are terrible. Second of all, previous previous coach

563
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 2: regime again, Kelli Moore, he's an offensive guy. I think

564
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:18,640
Speaker 2: you have to kind of bump up guys playing new

565
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:21,320
Speaker 2: players playing time and bump down some of the guys

566
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:22,920
Speaker 2: in the older regime. Same thing for a guy like

567
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 2: Ken Dre Miller, you know, like it's just some of

568
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:27,800
Speaker 2: these guys in the old regime. I just I don't

569
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:30,680
Speaker 2: know if More is really failing it. So yeah, I'm thinking.

570
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:34,800
Speaker 2: I'm thinking he probably starts week one, and and Mike

571
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:37,520
Speaker 2: is probably good bet to start all seventeen bar an injury.

572
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:39,920
Speaker 1: What do you think? Yeah, yeah, I agree with that.

573
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 1: And the odds right now are up it's minus two

574
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 1: twenty five for him to start week one. I'd say

575
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:50,080
Speaker 1: that's offering value. Because Ratler started six games last year,

576
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 1: he had the worst by far, the worst EPA per dropback,

577
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:58,560
Speaker 1: even worse than Will Levis. So we know Rattler who

578
00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:00,720
Speaker 1: he is. At this point, I might as well try

579
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 1: to shuck out. Could be any worse, but you know, oh,

580
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:06,239
Speaker 1: the other thing was shuck at. You know, he's an

581
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 1: older rookie at twenty six, but he didn't get that

582
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:11,719
Speaker 1: much playing time in college. He only started forty two

583
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 1: games over seven seasons. He backed up Justin Herbert his

584
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:19,120
Speaker 1: first couple of seasons at Oregon, and it wasn't until

585
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:21,160
Speaker 1: you know, his last season at Louisville, where he started

586
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:25,720
Speaker 1: twelve games. So for you know, playing seven seasons in college,

587
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:28,760
Speaker 1: he doesn't have as much experience as you'd expect. But

588
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 1: still he's older twenty six, so I'd say he has

589
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:35,360
Speaker 1: the inside track to start a week one for them.

590
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 1: And like you said, I think he'll just be the

591
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 1: starting quarterback as long as possible, so he could end

592
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:44,040
Speaker 1: up starting, you know, all seventeen games. And I thought

593
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 1: Davis Mills is actually a perfect conference in my opinion.

594
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:50,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, And this is why I like Alvin Kamara

595
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 2: because you're starting Tyler Shuck. He got the lowest win

596
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 2: tow to in the league. Kevin Moore had like the

597
00:31:56,600 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 2: run heaviest offense last year, and that's saying something thatidering.

598
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:02,760
Speaker 2: You know, Jay when Hurts was always run heavy offense.

599
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 2: So they might just feed Ak because they have to.

600
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:12,880
Speaker 2: But let's go Tampa Bay. Very interesting situation here. You

601
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:17,480
Speaker 2: got William Cone. We're gonna go to Jacksonville. But somewhat

602
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 2: of a surprise pick, they draft the Mecca Buca out

603
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 2: of Ohio State in the first round. Wide receiver, very

604
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:29,480
Speaker 2: good run blocker, very solid all around player, kind of

605
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:34,120
Speaker 2: a Godwin comp is what I've been hearing. What is

606
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:36,080
Speaker 2: his ceiling a year one?

607
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 1: Oh, year one, it would be, Yeah, Chris Godwin in

608
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 1: year one. It would probably involve Godwin not being ready

609
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:49,320
Speaker 1: for week one or having a step back, just being

610
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 1: out of the lineup and just basically taking over Chris

611
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 1: Godwin's role. I think he could do that, So that's

612
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 1: his ceiling. His ceiling is you know, a wide receiver

613
00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:00,240
Speaker 1: two as a rookie, but that would involve you know,

614
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:05,920
Speaker 1: some injury luck. If Godwin's healthy, I think he would

615
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 1: be sort of like Jackson Smith Najigba's first couple of

616
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 1: seasons in Seattle, where you know he's going to be

617
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 1: a solid third option. But I think he will need,

618
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 1: you know, either Evans or Godwin to miss time to

619
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:21,720
Speaker 1: really pop. But I think he's he's one of the

620
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 1: highest floor wide receivers in this workie, if not the

621
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 1: highest floor wide receiver. I think he's NFL ready from

622
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 1: day one. He's going to be very QB friendly. He

623
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 1: can line up inside outside, So yeah, I like heading

624
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 1: into this season. It kind of coincides my question on

625
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 1: you know, what the hell is Chris Godwin's health going

626
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 1: to be head in New Week one. But I think

627
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 1: they drafted him, you know, being the heir apparent to

628
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:49,160
Speaker 1: Chris Godwin specifically.

629
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think a couple of things with god When

630
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 2: I think a Bouka feeling is yeah, wide receiver. To remember,

631
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:01,320
Speaker 2: Mike Evans is older. You never know because he's gonna

632
00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 2: stay healthy one of these years. He's not gonna get

633
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 2: to a thousand. Godwin's health us up in the air.

634
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:08,040
Speaker 2: I do think there are some question mark You're always

635
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 2: gonna hear positive stuff this time of year, right, but

636
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 2: Godwin has come back ahead of schedule before from and

637
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:17,920
Speaker 2: and been been pretty good. So But the thing I

638
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 2: think is interesting is Jalen McMillan, who it looked like

639
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:23,960
Speaker 2: he was on his way to a breakout, you know,

640
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 2: as that third option. But if you go back and

641
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 2: watch a lot of McMillan's best plays were just brilliant schemes,

642
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:37,880
Speaker 2: schemed play play calls by my guy leam Combe. And

643
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:40,880
Speaker 2: he's over in Jacksonville now. So I think it's a

644
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:43,080
Speaker 2: little bit telling. You know, everyone's kind of looking at

645
00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:46,759
Speaker 2: it as an indictment on Godwin that they draft Abuca,

646
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:50,400
Speaker 2: but I think it's probably more of an indictment on McMillan,

647
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:52,800
Speaker 2: who I think long term they probably see is that

648
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 2: number four guy, and he would he's a great number four.

649
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:57,960
Speaker 2: But you know with these mid round you know, uh,

650
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:01,319
Speaker 2: you know, number three, four or five options, teams will

651
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 2: cycle through these guys fast, even if they ball out.

652
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:08,359
Speaker 2: I mean, remember Trey Palmer played like the snaps as

653
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:10,520
Speaker 2: a rookie and then Coen gets their last year, he's like, no,

654
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:14,480
Speaker 2: Jay McMillan, Cameron Johnson was getting snaps like, I mean,

655
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:17,920
Speaker 2: all the it's like a plethora of Whyrus, Ryan Miller,

656
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:21,560
Speaker 2: Kim Jarrett, like all these guys are getting snapped over

657
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:24,759
Speaker 2: over Palmer at different points, Shepherd and then they go

658
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 2: draft to Buka. So what does that tell you? Kind

659
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:29,240
Speaker 2: of the same thing that we'll talk about.

660
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:29,680
Speaker 1: Green Bay later.

661
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:33,240
Speaker 2: They didn't like, they don't love their their depth at receiver.

662
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:36,279
Speaker 2: So yeah, I think I think Godwin's going to be

663
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:38,800
Speaker 2: straight and I think Abuka is going to be the

664
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 2: number three. Right off the bat and bump down McMillan.

665
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:42,479
Speaker 1: Four.

666
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 2: What do you think about Godwin's health, because you know,

667
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:46,960
Speaker 2: if he's not going to be healthy, you know, I'm

668
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:48,120
Speaker 2: you know, I'm not touching them.

669
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:52,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. That's why these are training camp questions.

670
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:54,239
Speaker 1: We don't know right because he he's coming off the

671
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 1: ankle injury that he had in Week seven. I believe

672
00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 1: still recovering from that, so you know, he's he's shaping

673
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:04,400
Speaker 1: up to be ready for Week one, but we don't know,

674
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:08,240
Speaker 1: you know, if he's gonna be at ninety percent eighty percent.

675
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:11,400
Speaker 1: So that's something I'm gonna be monitoring. But before he

676
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:13,480
Speaker 1: went down in Week seven, he was leading the league

677
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:16,880
Speaker 1: in receptions per game at seven point one. So just

678
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 1: goes to show, you know, the upside that you know,

679
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 1: the whoever's lining across from Mike Evans has So I'm

680
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:27,880
Speaker 1: gonna be tinkering with his and Abuka's projections as we

681
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 1: hit info on you know, his participation, how he looks

682
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:34,080
Speaker 1: and things like that, so that I have that pin

683
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:36,399
Speaker 1: in my projection. So that's one of the things I'll

684
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:39,359
Speaker 1: be monitoring. And from what I could tell, like I said,

685
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:41,719
Speaker 1: it does seem like he's trending to play Week one,

686
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 1: but anything can happen. You know, he could have a

687
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 1: step back, he could be ahead of progress. So just

688
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:48,320
Speaker 1: we're gonna have to monitor that very closely.

689
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:52,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I do think the Bucks past the game

690
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 2: takes a slight step back, even though they added another weapon.

691
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:58,759
Speaker 2: Just I just some again some of the plays Liam

692
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:01,719
Speaker 2: Cohen schemed up. I think there is it's gonna be

693
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 2: hard to replicate. But I also in a way, it's

694
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:08,400
Speaker 2: kind of don't love the fact that like Abuca is

695
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:11,359
Speaker 2: known for his run blocking right like it's see I mean,

696
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 2: I love it for Bucky and maybe Rishad White it's

697
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:17,040
Speaker 2: more involved in but uh, you know it's it's not

698
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:20,320
Speaker 2: great for like McMillan, and you know, Godwin is gonna

699
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:25,280
Speaker 2: be twenty nine, has health issues, a few serious injuries

700
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 2: over the past couple of years, and then Mike Evans

701
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:30,319
Speaker 2: is you know, he's getting up there in age too,

702
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:34,239
Speaker 2: So you know, this this could be a little bit

703
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:36,279
Speaker 2: of a different It could still be an efficient passing game,

704
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:39,720
Speaker 2: but it might not necessarily be the smash where every

705
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:42,240
Speaker 2: single receiver just goes off. It might be a little

706
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:45,200
Speaker 2: bit more kind of controlled so that you know, Mike

707
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:47,840
Speaker 2: Evans age thirty two seasons, so I'm kind of racing

708
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:50,880
Speaker 2: for that a little bit. Some natural Baker regression, I mean,

709
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:53,840
Speaker 2: forty one touchdown is gonna be tough to replicate regardless.

710
00:37:55,000 --> 00:38:01,239
Speaker 2: All right, let's go NFC west Connor and Benson for

711
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:05,120
Speaker 2: the Cardinals. Like Benson is that you know, shiny new toy.

712
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:07,800
Speaker 2: But we keep trying to write James Connor off and

713
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:10,480
Speaker 2: he just keeps on a trucking And I found it

714
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:13,440
Speaker 2: kind of I don't want to say disheartening because I

715
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 2: wasn't like huge on Benson last year or anything, but

716
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:19,920
Speaker 2: Benson kind of lost playing time a year, progressed and

717
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:24,240
Speaker 2: then he didn't really play much at all on passing downs.

718
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:28,239
Speaker 2: How do you think the workload shakes out in this

719
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:32,439
Speaker 2: year between Connor and Benson, assuming Connor is relatively healthy.

720
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:35,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think if if Connor is healthy, it's gonna

721
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 1: be fairly similar to last year. I think Benson should

722
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:41,600
Speaker 1: improve this year. He was. He was up and down

723
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:44,640
Speaker 1: in preseason, Like I think he's gonna be just a

724
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 1: streaky player where at times it looks like he's running

725
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:49,560
Speaker 1: through mud, other times it looks like, you know, he

726
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:51,719
Speaker 1: could be a legit running back. But I think as

727
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 1: long as you could ride the James Connor train, you're

728
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 1: gonna do it. And he James Connor is still excellent

729
00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 1: last year, so I think stick with it. I think

730
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 1: if Connor goes down, I think Benson will be the

731
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 1: clear uh you know, lead back and potentially offer RB

732
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:10,720
Speaker 1: two upside. So you know, he's still an injury stash

733
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:12,880
Speaker 1: for me. But I think it's it's gonna be similar

734
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:15,399
Speaker 1: to last year where James Connor's going to be the guy,

735
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 1: where Benson kind of just mixes in to give him breathers.

736
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:22,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, Connor, I mean, you know, for all we kind

737
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 2: of make fun of him about the injuries, but really,

738
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:28,919
Speaker 2: I mean, he's played between thirteen and sixteen games every year,

739
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 2: but one he had this he had a ten game

740
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 2: season in twenty nineteen and then yeah, I think, no, yeah,

741
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:36,440
Speaker 2: he didn't even did he miss a year?

742
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:38,239
Speaker 1: No he didn't. Well, I feel like he missed the

743
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 1: year he's always yeah, hold on, no, no, no, he didn't.

744
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:47,320
Speaker 2: It looks like he's always. Yeah, he's always played between

745
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:53,000
Speaker 2: thirteen and sixteen except twenty nineteen where he played ten games.

746
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:56,319
Speaker 2: So he's probably a bit healthier and a bit less

747
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 2: tread on the tires. But yeah, I agree. I do

748
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:02,920
Speaker 2: think the one thing I think I think is Kyler Murray.

749
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:05,719
Speaker 2: They's been talking of him, you know, getting back to

750
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:07,920
Speaker 2: running the ball a little bit more. And I do

751
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:11,319
Speaker 2: think now you know, more removed from that injury, they're

752
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:13,320
Speaker 2: gonna start utilizing him a little more in that design

753
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 2: run game. I think that will help a guy like

754
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:17,320
Speaker 2: like Benson, you know, just open some rushing wings with

755
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:20,239
Speaker 2: a quarterback being a threat, because Benson runs into that.

756
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:23,320
Speaker 2: Like I guess you could call it the Isaiah Pacheco problem,

757
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:26,640
Speaker 2: the Naji Harris problem. Whereas it's like when when he's

758
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:28,239
Speaker 2: on a field, you kind of know when some of

759
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:30,880
Speaker 2: these bigger backs that aren't big factors in the past

760
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:34,000
Speaker 2: game are on the field, I feel like defenses kind

761
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:37,000
Speaker 2: of lock in and more likely to bring eight in

762
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:39,640
Speaker 2: a box and whatnot. So I think I think you're

763
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:43,800
Speaker 2: going to see just Benson more worked into the offense

764
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:46,600
Speaker 2: as they as it kind of evolves with with with Kyle.

765
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:51,400
Speaker 1: Wh's a question for Ari just Marvin Harrison Junior, what

766
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 1: do we expect in her two because he is coming

767
00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:58,880
Speaker 1: off a solid rookie season sixty two catches, eight hundred

768
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:01,799
Speaker 1: and eighty five yards, eight touch downs, but just disappointing

769
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:06,279
Speaker 1: due to the high expectations he had, and you know,

770
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:09,960
Speaker 1: the Cardinals he's a complete receiver, but the Cardinals used

771
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:12,279
Speaker 1: him more as a deep threat. So do you think

772
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:14,320
Speaker 1: they kind of continue with that this year or do

773
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 1: they give him like a more diverse route tree, more

774
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:19,719
Speaker 1: layup throws, Like, how do you expect they're going to

775
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:21,120
Speaker 1: use him this year more of the same or are

776
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:22,279
Speaker 1: they going to change it up a bit?

777
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 2: I think it's definitely going to evolve because anytime you

778
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 2: have a player with that pedigree and it's kind of

779
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 2: it's gonna be a talking point if they don't. But yeah,

780
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:34,719
Speaker 2: he I mean, he probably wasn't as bad as people

781
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:38,480
Speaker 2: thought last year. So I'm expecting a top twenty season.

782
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:41,400
Speaker 2: I think, you know, he's only you know, not everyone

783
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:43,920
Speaker 2: is gonna break out as a rookie. He still had

784
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 2: a fine rookie season. So yeah, I have him a

785
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:49,000
Speaker 2: wide receiver sixteen.

786
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:52,960
Speaker 1: What about Yes, yeah, I have him wide receiver twenty one.

787
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 1: But that's that's a range. Well I was gonna say,

788
00:41:57,239 --> 00:42:01,440
Speaker 1: that's that's a range where like one point separates you know,

789
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:03,480
Speaker 1: five receivers. So I have him kind of in the

790
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:08,839
Speaker 1: same tier as Terry McLaurin, Mike Evans, Rashid Rice Jackson Smith,

791
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:11,360
Speaker 1: and Jig But who I'm always high on so I

792
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 1: think that's just kind of where I am with him.

793
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:16,800
Speaker 1: But I agree, I think, you know, again, he just

794
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:21,680
Speaker 1: had such big expectations as a rookie where it seemed disappointing,

795
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:24,000
Speaker 1: but he had a very solid season, especially for rookie.

796
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:26,879
Speaker 1: So a lot of these receivers, you know, they break

797
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:29,239
Speaker 1: out in year two or three, so you want to

798
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:32,120
Speaker 1: miss out on it. I just don't like his fit

799
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:34,360
Speaker 1: as much with you know, Kyler Murray's not really a

800
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 1: deep thrower to begin with, and Trey McBride's just taking

801
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:41,920
Speaker 1: up so many freaking targets that it's just hard to

802
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:43,759
Speaker 1: compete with that. But at the end of the day,

803
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 1: I still think he's going to be a solid receiver,

804
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:50,279
Speaker 1: an elite one even, but I think they're just going

805
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:52,880
Speaker 1: to have to give him more underneath rows, mix it

806
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 1: up a little bit more this year for him to

807
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 1: really pop as like a high end wide receiver. Two.

808
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:00,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, they didn't move him around, so that was really

809
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:03,520
Speaker 2: the issue. They played him as a traditional X. They

810
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:07,400
Speaker 2: have a black hole at at at Z half the

811
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:10,800
Speaker 2: time with Zay Jones or I mean, even Dorts was

812
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 2: kind of up and down and whatnot. But yeah, I

813
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 2: think they'll move around more. And he certainly has a

814
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:18,080
Speaker 2: talent and if if he just adds a few of

815
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:21,960
Speaker 2: those easy throws to his to his repertoire, he'll be

816
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:25,439
Speaker 2: He'll be a smash And Matt Harmon, who does great

817
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:31,800
Speaker 2: work with his reception perception profiles, Harrison clocked in seventy

818
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:35,959
Speaker 2: fifth percentile against man coverage, seventy second percent title against zone,

819
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 2: and eighty is percentile against press, So he he was

820
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:41,399
Speaker 2: winning his routes at least in the in the sample Matt,

821
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:44,560
Speaker 2: you know, looked at and that's kind of what I

822
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 2: saw too. It wasn't it wasn't like, oh man, it

823
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:49,960
Speaker 2: wasn't like a Treywon Burk situation where it's like, is

824
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:53,960
Speaker 2: this is this guy good? He's gonna be good. So yeah,

825
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 2: cautiously optimistic about Marvin. I think I think Kywer takes

826
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:01,279
Speaker 2: a step forward this year too, and it could be

827
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:06,360
Speaker 2: a big fantasy asset. Fantasy Flex listeners, We've got some

828
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:09,760
Speaker 2: very exciting news this year. We're gonna do a live

829
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830
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833
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834
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835
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836
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837
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838
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839
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842
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843
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:09,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, I'm pumped for this. These live events are

844
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:12,640
Speaker 1: always a blast. It's always fun getting in to connect

845
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 1: with everyone in person. And we're gonna have a full

846
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:19,280
Speaker 1: slate of preseason games that day, so it's my favorite

847
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:21,480
Speaker 1: time of year as well. But yeah, we should be

848
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:23,279
Speaker 1: able to watch some of those games together. It's gonna

849
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:23,760
Speaker 1: be a blast.

850
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:27,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, excited to meet you guys again. That is Saturday,

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853
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:40,279
Speaker 2: Davante Adams, I don't know where I'm at with him.

854
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:43,239
Speaker 2: I go back and for Seank because the Rams have

855
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:46,800
Speaker 2: kind of swung and missed on some of these veterans

856
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:50,600
Speaker 2: that they've tried at the at the X well, I

857
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:53,040
Speaker 2: just not I shouldn't say the X about just perimeter receivers.

858
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:55,839
Speaker 2: I mean, Sammy Watkins comes to mind. Alan Robinson's more

859
00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:58,759
Speaker 2: recent example. Everyone was excited about and it was just

860
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:04,880
Speaker 2: but we do know, we do know how he's going

861
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:07,960
Speaker 2: to be used. He's gonna be He's there to be

862
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:10,120
Speaker 2: a man beater because Cooper cup could not do that.

863
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:13,600
Speaker 2: He was a third percentile against man according to reception perceptions.

864
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:16,880
Speaker 2: So my question is is he going Is Adams more

865
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:21,640
Speaker 2: likely to join Pokinakua as a fellow wide receiver one

866
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:27,680
Speaker 2: or be a bust out Allah Watkins, Alan.

867
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:32,480
Speaker 1: Robinson definitely the wide receiver one for me. I think

868
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:35,880
Speaker 1: he's still in better shape than like Alan Robinson was

869
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:40,640
Speaker 1: that year. You know, he he played first half of

870
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:42,720
Speaker 1: the season the Raiders and then second half of Jets.

871
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:46,000
Speaker 1: I thought he looked himself. He is, you know, turning

872
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:48,520
Speaker 1: what thirty three this year, so he is clearly in

873
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 1: the decline phase of his career. But I think with

874
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:54,040
Speaker 1: the Rams, you know, Poku is still going to be

875
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:57,239
Speaker 1: you know, dominant getting them down the field, getting them

876
00:46:57,320 --> 00:46:59,919
Speaker 1: into the red zone. Where the Rams had problems last

877
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:02,799
Speaker 1: year was just in the red zone passing the ball.

878
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:05,320
Speaker 1: You know, Kyron Williams did just find running it in

879
00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:08,640
Speaker 1: once they got to the goal line, but they Stafford

880
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:12,760
Speaker 1: specifically had trouble throwing touchdowns. I think that's where DeVante

881
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:16,840
Speaker 1: will help. So DeVante clearly has double digit touchdown upside.

882
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:19,440
Speaker 1: So I think he does join Puka as you know,

883
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:21,920
Speaker 1: wide receiver one. If you know, he does end up

884
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:25,320
Speaker 1: catching ten fifteen touchdowns next year, which I think is

885
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:28,560
Speaker 1: possible in this offense. So I think again, I think

886
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:31,719
Speaker 1: Pucko's the guy in this offense, still getting them down

887
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:34,719
Speaker 1: the field, but DeVante could be sneaky in the red zone.

888
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:39,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, I lean toward the floor outcome a little more

889
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:42,279
Speaker 2: than the ceiling and listen. I don't think he's going

890
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 2: to be a complete bus but I think it could

891
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:47,400
Speaker 2: be a little underwhelming kind of like you mentioned the touchdowns.

892
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:50,759
Speaker 2: Remember Odell Beckham the Super Bowl year where he you know,

893
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:53,520
Speaker 2: it wasn't a consistent as Odell Beckham had been in

894
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:55,719
Speaker 2: the past, but he was getting into the end zone

895
00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:59,799
Speaker 2: pretty consistently. I think Devonte could turn into that. One

896
00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:01,719
Speaker 2: of the warning signs when you see some of these

897
00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:05,719
Speaker 2: bigger body perimeter receivers start to slow down is when

898
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:10,800
Speaker 2: they start struggling against zone coverage. And Adams was in

899
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:15,920
Speaker 2: reception perception according to Matt Harmon thirty seventh percentile against

900
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:20,040
Speaker 2: zone coverage, which you saw a Rob hit. I think

901
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:22,680
Speaker 2: it was like twenty seven or thirty percentile, and that

902
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:24,759
Speaker 2: right the year before he went to the RAMS. So

903
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:26,759
Speaker 2: the RAMS do have a bad habit of kind of

904
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:29,799
Speaker 2: you know, betting on these guys right when they're slowing down,

905
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:31,799
Speaker 2: and they probably waited a year too long on Cup,

906
00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:34,200
Speaker 2: couldn't get any trade value for him, how to just

907
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:38,480
Speaker 2: end up releasing him. So I do think that it

908
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:43,200
Speaker 2: might be more of a like just I would just

909
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:46,279
Speaker 2: keep expectations in check a little bit. They're also, you know,

910
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:49,959
Speaker 2: planning to go to more of a one two personnel look,

911
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:53,120
Speaker 2: and I know that's your question, so hit me.

912
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:56,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, So That's what I'm going to bring up

913
00:48:56,200 --> 00:49:01,839
Speaker 1: is you know they drafted Terrence Ferguson in the second round.

914
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:06,200
Speaker 1: He's very talented tight end. You know, how do they

915
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:09,160
Speaker 1: intend to use him? With Tyler Higby are going to

916
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:10,920
Speaker 1: see more two tight end sets. Does he have a

917
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:13,800
Speaker 1: chance to leap frog Higby? What are your thoughts on

918
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:17,120
Speaker 1: Ferguson just their general usage of two tight ends this year.

919
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:21,120
Speaker 2: I think they're they're not.

920
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:22,080
Speaker 1: I think I know.

921
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:25,200
Speaker 2: Sam McVay has said that they planned to increase their

922
00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:28,360
Speaker 2: one two personnel usage, and they did do that in

923
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:30,400
Speaker 2: the games that Tyler Higby played near the end of

924
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:32,160
Speaker 2: the year. I think it was about four games that

925
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:35,520
Speaker 2: he played, but they were still on the low end

926
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:38,160
Speaker 2: of the league in one two personnel. This is still

927
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:42,160
Speaker 2: a McVeagh offense. I think if you're looking for value

928
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:47,759
Speaker 2: in the Rams passing game, personally, I would recommend to

929
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:50,239
Speaker 2: to at well. Uh, he got that one year, ten

930
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:53,319
Speaker 2: million dollar deal. They're going to play him a lot more,

931
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:59,759
Speaker 2: and with Adam's reputation and Niku's dominance, he's going he's

932
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:03,440
Speaker 2: going to to be open. And Higby played so well

933
00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:05,719
Speaker 2: that I don't know if Ferguson Jumpson is a rookie.

934
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:07,960
Speaker 2: I think we've I mean we've gotten burned by kind

935
00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:12,400
Speaker 2: of trying to go with these Sean McVay rookies in

936
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:14,840
Speaker 2: the past, right, Like it's usually got a way to

937
00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:17,920
Speaker 2: know what, Like it's gonna be a post height, Higby's

938
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:21,960
Speaker 2: gonna dominate this year, a gonna have breakout season, just

939
00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:25,719
Speaker 2: remember DeMarcus Robinson type of thing. And then next year

940
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:28,640
Speaker 2: Ferguson will be going like tight end sixty eight, and

941
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:31,080
Speaker 2: then Higby will get hurt in Week one and missed

942
00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:34,200
Speaker 2: the whole season, and and Ferguson will be a tightle one.

943
00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:36,080
Speaker 2: So yeah, I'm I think he's a year away.

944
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:38,480
Speaker 1: What do you think? Yeah, I think so too. I

945
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:41,680
Speaker 1: think this could have been just bolstering their depth because

946
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:44,400
Speaker 1: when Higbee was out last year, it was kind of

947
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:49,000
Speaker 1: a disaster. I don't think McVeigh like Parkinson much. He

948
00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:53,640
Speaker 1: had Davis Allen started game, went back to Parkinson. I

949
00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:57,000
Speaker 1: think McVeigh just wants depth behind Higbee, and sure like

950
00:50:57,280 --> 00:50:59,840
Speaker 1: they love Ferguson, they kind of want him to be

951
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:02,880
Speaker 1: good and leap frog Higby. But Higby, like you mentioned,

952
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:05,839
Speaker 1: he did look really good when he did return later

953
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:07,759
Speaker 1: in the season, So I think it could be just

954
00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:11,200
Speaker 1: kind of adding depth and you know, year two or three,

955
00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:15,759
Speaker 1: maybe Ferguson breaks out. But yeah, I agree, I'm not

956
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:19,000
Speaker 1: really drafting either one of these tight ends. But Ferguson,

957
00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:21,800
Speaker 1: you know, he is talented. Again, he was taken in

958
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:24,640
Speaker 1: the second round. This is a very good tight end class,

959
00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:27,440
Speaker 1: and he was excellent after the catch, So I think

960
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:30,640
Speaker 1: he could be good in this offense. Someone definitely to

961
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:33,799
Speaker 1: watch in training camp in preseason. But yeah, it could

962
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:36,320
Speaker 1: be you know, year two or three before he's fancy relevant.

963
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:39,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, like he'll he'll catch his his seam balls and

964
00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:42,360
Speaker 2: and things like that and he'll they'll definitely see it

965
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:45,000
Speaker 2: up to you know, both Higby and Ferguson just because

966
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:47,640
Speaker 2: at well, you know he's going to be either why

967
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:49,920
Speaker 2: receiver three. But he is tiny and he's not even

968
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:52,040
Speaker 2: a terrible run walker, but you are going to want

969
00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:54,240
Speaker 2: to get some more size on the field at times.

970
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:57,200
Speaker 2: So I do think you're gonna see more that those

971
00:51:57,239 --> 00:51:59,360
Speaker 2: two tight end looks. And Tyron tends to be the

972
00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:03,759
Speaker 2: past anyway, So Ferguson Hill makes the plays, but it's

973
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:04,960
Speaker 2: gonna be hard to be consistent.

974
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:05,160
Speaker 1: You know.

975
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:08,440
Speaker 2: Maybe you take a stab at him in basketball because

976
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:10,759
Speaker 2: I mean, Higbee's health has been kind of touching and going.

977
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:13,239
Speaker 2: Didn't he like go to the hospital when he was

978
00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:17,040
Speaker 2: dominating against the Vikings in that playoff game. Yeah, so

979
00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:20,160
Speaker 2: it's it's touch and go his health. Can't really trust

980
00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:24,040
Speaker 2: him to stay healthy. Forty nine ers quite an interesting team.

981
00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:27,480
Speaker 2: I mean, I think opinions about the Niners and all

982
00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:31,400
Speaker 2: the players involved are just all over the map. So

983
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:34,600
Speaker 2: let's start with the most important, the guy who people

984
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:39,279
Speaker 2: drafted number one overall last year only to find out

985
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:43,239
Speaker 2: that he couldn't walk or run or play and he

986
00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:46,400
Speaker 2: ended up playing what four or five games, Christian McCaffrey.

987
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:48,800
Speaker 1: What is okay?

988
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:52,200
Speaker 2: So he's a first round pick worth it? Or is

989
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:55,839
Speaker 2: the floor the chances of him being a bus too

990
00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:58,719
Speaker 2: high given his age and giving the track record and

991
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:02,920
Speaker 2: to that question, who's the handcuff?

992
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:07,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean he's worth it because if let

993
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:11,480
Speaker 1: me explain there, if he does stay healthy, his ceiling

994
00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:14,040
Speaker 1: is the RB one overall. We've kind of seen this

995
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:17,040
Speaker 1: happen where we kind of get off McCaffrey and then

996
00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:18,640
Speaker 1: he has a good season and then we're back on

997
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:23,279
Speaker 1: and like the four hours scheme under Kyle Shanahan, it's

998
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:25,719
Speaker 1: basically just whoever is the running back is going to

999
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:28,759
Speaker 1: be a stud in fancy and then they put, you know,

1000
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:31,840
Speaker 1: arguably be the best running back in that scheme McCaffrey.

1001
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:34,839
Speaker 1: And you know he blew up in twenty twenty three,

1002
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:37,880
Speaker 1: so we know the ceiling is there. However, is the

1003
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:40,320
Speaker 1: risk worth it? It's kind of up to the drafter

1004
00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:44,120
Speaker 1: or the draft d I don't know, but I know

1005
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:48,200
Speaker 1: you agree with this. I tend to avoid any red

1006
00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:52,000
Speaker 1: flags in the first round if possible. I'm just trying

1007
00:53:52,040 --> 00:53:55,160
Speaker 1: to avoid disaster in the first round, so you know,

1008
00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:59,000
Speaker 1: typically I might shy away, But I mean, there's really

1009
00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:03,200
Speaker 1: no concern about his achilles heading into this season, right,

1010
00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:04,960
Speaker 1: So it's one of those things I'm going to be

1011
00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:10,080
Speaker 1: watching closely in training camp, and if I'm gauging that

1012
00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:13,000
Speaker 1: there isn't as much concern as people are leading on,

1013
00:54:13,719 --> 00:54:15,600
Speaker 1: I would have no problem drafting him. But you got

1014
00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:18,000
Speaker 1: to be careful because last year we didn't really know

1015
00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:21,680
Speaker 1: the status of his injury headed in a week one, right,

1016
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:25,880
Speaker 1: Jordan Mason was the one that knew that, but just

1017
00:54:26,080 --> 00:54:28,680
Speaker 1: they keep things close to the best, so we might

1018
00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:32,080
Speaker 1: not really know his true health. So having said that,

1019
00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:37,560
Speaker 1: Isaac Grendo, I think is still the handcuff. I still

1020
00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:40,319
Speaker 1: believe in him. He flashed some of the upside last

1021
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:43,560
Speaker 1: year and had a spot starter or two last year.

1022
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:46,040
Speaker 1: So I think with Jordan Mason gone, Grenda's the guy

1023
00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:48,120
Speaker 1: for me. But when it comes to the Niners, you

1024
00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:51,040
Speaker 1: never know, right, it could be Jordan James who they

1025
00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:53,360
Speaker 1: just took that ends up being the guy. But I

1026
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:55,520
Speaker 1: think when it comes to the Niners, I think I'm

1027
00:54:55,520 --> 00:54:57,680
Speaker 1: going to be more interested trying to find the handcuff

1028
00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:00,440
Speaker 1: later in the draft and letting people kind take that

1029
00:55:00,600 --> 00:55:03,800
Speaker 1: risk on McCaffrey early on, but that that could change.

1030
00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:05,920
Speaker 1: What about you, what are your thoughts on him and

1031
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:07,640
Speaker 1: his health heading into the season.

1032
00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:13,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm hoping he falls down in ADP because it's

1033
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:18,160
Speaker 2: hard to justify taking him over like a fully healthy

1034
00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:21,680
Speaker 2: Ashton Genty who's just a rookie, has no tread on

1035
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:25,880
Speaker 2: the tires, and even a guy like you know, Derrick

1036
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:29,680
Speaker 2: Henry Right who is kind of in the same predicament

1037
00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:34,320
Speaker 2: age wise, but has shown so much more durability and

1038
00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:39,279
Speaker 2: the level of play. Because the other thing is there's

1039
00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:42,120
Speaker 2: gonna be a point when these injuries take their toll.

1040
00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:44,680
Speaker 2: I mean, the Caffrey's essentially missed what more than half

1041
00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:48,879
Speaker 2: of uh, you know, three seasons. Now you know there's

1042
00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:53,880
Speaker 2: lower leg issues, calf issues. I mean, calf issues are

1043
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:57,600
Speaker 2: like the you know, shout out to Tyrese Haliburton. May

1044
00:55:57,600 --> 00:56:00,400
Speaker 2: I hope he makes a speedy recovery. But these like

1045
00:56:00,760 --> 00:56:04,080
Speaker 2: it's like a telegraph of oh Man, disaster to strike.

1046
00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:10,319
Speaker 2: So yeah, you know I have him RB eight right now.

1047
00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:13,640
Speaker 2: I just it's hard for me to justify taking him

1048
00:56:13,719 --> 00:56:18,400
Speaker 2: over younger, healthier guys that also have either just feature

1049
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:22,560
Speaker 2: back or pass game upside. Like you know, consider a

1050
00:56:22,600 --> 00:56:25,719
Speaker 2: guy like Devon h Chan right who you know, Yeah,

1051
00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:28,560
Speaker 2: the old line is bad, but he's a lot younger,

1052
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:33,479
Speaker 2: lot healthier, and he also can have that crazy past

1053
00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:36,360
Speaker 2: game usage, even more so now that they traded John Smith.

1054
00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:40,480
Speaker 2: Same thing, like, why can't Alvin Kamara put up similar

1055
00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:44,000
Speaker 2: numbers to McCaffrey with less injury risks Because at some point,

1056
00:56:44,040 --> 00:56:47,360
Speaker 2: I think Kyle Shanahan also says, Okay, this guy, you know,

1057
00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:50,160
Speaker 2: he's important part of our office, but we got to

1058
00:56:50,239 --> 00:56:52,799
Speaker 2: preserve him. And maybe you do see more Grendo either

1059
00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:56,399
Speaker 2: on early downs or you know, I think McCaffrey set

1060
00:56:56,480 --> 00:56:59,279
Speaker 2: up for a big receiving year because the Niners have

1061
00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:04,799
Speaker 2: no receivers, it seems like, but uh, yeah, I it's

1062
00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:06,799
Speaker 2: it's I agree, you don't want to lose your draft

1063
00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:09,759
Speaker 2: in the first round. McCaffrey just seems like a guy

1064
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:13,080
Speaker 2: who could do that. And last year, remember bark We Henry,

1065
00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:15,680
Speaker 2: those guys are going you know, round two, even into

1066
00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:18,520
Speaker 2: round three. Like so now that running backs had a

1067
00:57:18,560 --> 00:57:21,640
Speaker 2: great year, these guys are priced up a little bit.

1068
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:25,200
Speaker 2: So don't love it. Uh, what's a question for the

1069
00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:26,200
Speaker 2: forty nine ers?

1070
00:57:26,720 --> 00:57:31,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, just the wide receiver room, you know they Deebo

1071
00:57:31,120 --> 00:57:35,000
Speaker 1: Samuel's now in the Commanders. Brandon Ayuk still recovering from

1072
00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:38,400
Speaker 1: his torn a cl n MCL last year, so he

1073
00:57:38,560 --> 00:57:40,640
Speaker 1: might not be ready week one, might not be ready

1074
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:44,000
Speaker 1: till like I don't know, week five, six, seven. And

1075
00:57:44,080 --> 00:57:48,200
Speaker 1: now Juwan Jennings is demanding a new dealer get traded.

1076
00:57:48,320 --> 00:57:51,400
Speaker 1: So a lot of uncertainty here. That's something we're obviously

1077
00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:55,760
Speaker 1: gonna have to watch closely. But are you tark Well,

1078
00:57:56,760 --> 00:58:00,840
Speaker 1: are you targeting Ayuk or Jennings or peer Saw? And like,

1079
00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:03,280
Speaker 1: how are you waiting for this ten fold? And what

1080
00:58:03,360 --> 00:58:03,880
Speaker 1: are you looking for?

1081
00:58:04,800 --> 00:58:08,959
Speaker 2: I mean you know I'm not targeting Brandon. You write

1082
00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:11,680
Speaker 2: that article for me, Like, come on, bro, it's like

1083
00:58:12,200 --> 00:58:15,720
Speaker 2: these guys that are slated to miss time at the

1084
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:18,720
Speaker 2: beginning of the season, it's like you miss out on gates,

1085
00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:21,480
Speaker 2: like a full season upside in bestball, and then a

1086
00:58:21,560 --> 00:58:23,720
Speaker 2: lot of times it's like one injury leads to another,

1087
00:58:23,840 --> 00:58:25,960
Speaker 2: and like Brandon Ayuk is another guy where it's like

1088
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:27,960
Speaker 2: all these it's like, is he going to even be

1089
00:58:28,040 --> 00:58:28,720
Speaker 2: their best receiver?

1090
00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:28,960
Speaker 1: Now?

1091
00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:30,840
Speaker 2: I mean, you got an up and coming guy in Pearsaw.

1092
00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:34,680
Speaker 2: Some people are hiring him than others. Jennings very good player.

1093
00:58:34,720 --> 00:58:36,720
Speaker 2: You still got Kittle, and you got the best, one

1094
00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:38,440
Speaker 2: of the best pass catching tight ends, one of the

1095
00:58:38,520 --> 00:58:41,840
Speaker 2: best pass catching backs if he's healthy. Uh so, and

1096
00:58:42,160 --> 00:58:44,200
Speaker 2: this could be a run heavy team that they've shown

1097
00:58:44,200 --> 00:58:47,840
Speaker 2: that in the past. So yeah, I'm out on Ayuk Jennings.

1098
00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:51,120
Speaker 2: I think this is a negotiating tactic. They really need

1099
00:58:51,280 --> 00:58:54,600
Speaker 2: him more than people think. I mean, I think I

1100
00:58:54,680 --> 00:58:57,320
Speaker 2: think the jury is still out on Pearsaw. I really

1101
00:58:57,400 --> 00:58:59,760
Speaker 2: don't like you know, some people again are higher. I'm

1102
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:03,560
Speaker 2: I'm still not sold completely. I recognize that there could

1103
00:59:03,600 --> 00:59:06,400
Speaker 2: be upside there, but I have to see more, uh

1104
00:59:06,600 --> 00:59:09,120
Speaker 2: to kind of be to get behind him. So yeah,

1105
00:59:09,280 --> 00:59:11,520
Speaker 2: I think they need him as their wide receiver one.

1106
00:59:11,560 --> 00:59:13,880
Speaker 2: He's a weapon on third down and he would be

1107
00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:15,520
Speaker 2: the guy to be targeting because they also got de

1108
00:59:15,560 --> 00:59:19,680
Speaker 2: Marcus Robinson, but he's also got issues availability issues because uh,

1109
00:59:19,960 --> 00:59:22,160
Speaker 2: well are we expecting a suspension for him too? So

1110
00:59:23,640 --> 00:59:25,880
Speaker 2: we'll see how everything kind of shakes out. But I'm

1111
00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:29,040
Speaker 2: hearing like breakout candidates, like you know when they do

1112
00:59:29,160 --> 00:59:32,880
Speaker 2: those camp pieces like a surprise breakout for the Niners.

1113
00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:37,280
Speaker 2: I'm hearing Jacob Cowing. I'm hearing Jordan Watkins like that's

1114
00:59:37,880 --> 00:59:41,120
Speaker 2: that's not great news for for Ayuk or or Pierson,

1115
00:59:41,240 --> 00:59:44,960
Speaker 2: who's are also banged up. So I think Jennings could

1116
00:59:45,080 --> 00:59:50,240
Speaker 2: smash if he's on the roster and healthy, he could

1117
00:59:50,320 --> 00:59:53,320
Speaker 2: kind of pick up where he left off last year.

1118
00:59:53,480 --> 00:59:55,480
Speaker 2: Are you are you getting of any Ayuk? I know

1119
00:59:55,520 --> 00:59:59,200
Speaker 2: you're not as kind of uh strict when it comes

1120
00:59:59,240 --> 01:00:02,560
Speaker 2: to those with guys. Man, it's worked out pretty well

1121
01:00:02,560 --> 01:00:02,760
Speaker 2: for me.

1122
01:00:02,880 --> 01:00:05,920
Speaker 1: I've got to say, yeah, yeah, yeah, No, I agree

1123
01:00:05,920 --> 01:00:09,080
Speaker 1: with your theory of the case. I think there's times

1124
01:00:09,320 --> 01:00:14,320
Speaker 1: to take Ayuk if you're you know, in a league

1125
01:00:14,320 --> 01:00:17,400
Speaker 1: where you know, you're making the playoffs in season long, fans,

1126
01:00:17,480 --> 01:00:20,200
Speaker 1: you could take Ayuk, stash him and then you potentially

1127
01:00:20,280 --> 01:00:22,640
Speaker 1: have a wide receiver, two wide receiver three come playoff

1128
01:00:22,680 --> 01:00:25,800
Speaker 1: time or bestball tournaments where you know, week seventeen is

1129
01:00:25,800 --> 01:00:29,000
Speaker 1: when the grand prize hits. That's the case for like,

1130
01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:31,320
Speaker 1: you know, still taking a fire and Ayuke. But I agree,

1131
01:00:31,360 --> 01:00:33,320
Speaker 1: I think when it comes to a Ike, we kind

1132
01:00:33,320 --> 01:00:36,120
Speaker 1: of have to prepare for him to miss a handful

1133
01:00:36,160 --> 01:00:37,680
Speaker 1: of games and then just not even be one hundred

1134
01:00:37,680 --> 01:00:40,440
Speaker 1: percent when he does return. So I agree with you

1135
01:00:40,520 --> 01:00:44,000
Speaker 1: there with him specifically, it's always a case by case basis.

1136
01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:47,440
Speaker 1: And you know, Jennings was awesome last year when he

1137
01:00:47,680 --> 01:00:51,120
Speaker 1: when everybody went down. I am kind of a believer

1138
01:00:51,200 --> 01:00:54,160
Speaker 1: in pearsall. I'm high on him. You have to remember

1139
01:00:54,400 --> 01:00:59,440
Speaker 1: last year he missed, uh, you know, camp preseason the

1140
01:00:59,520 --> 01:01:02,440
Speaker 1: first six weeks because he got shot in that robbery attempt.

1141
01:01:02,520 --> 01:01:05,600
Speaker 1: So he had a you know, very unfortunate start to

1142
01:01:05,680 --> 01:01:09,320
Speaker 1: his career. And then when he he was you know

1143
01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:11,880
Speaker 1: in the lineup, you know, he was still you know,

1144
01:01:12,360 --> 01:01:15,960
Speaker 1: a rookie, and there was a stretch right I took

1145
01:01:16,240 --> 01:01:20,400
Speaker 1: his prop one of those weeks where he had like

1146
01:01:22,040 --> 01:01:25,000
Speaker 1: a pretty good route run rate, but they had inclement

1147
01:01:25,080 --> 01:01:28,560
Speaker 1: weather and Buffalo incremate weather in San Francisco. There was

1148
01:01:28,640 --> 01:01:32,480
Speaker 1: just all these bad weather games where once that cleared up,

1149
01:01:32,600 --> 01:01:34,640
Speaker 1: then he popped off for the last three games. I

1150
01:01:34,680 --> 01:01:39,040
Speaker 1: think the last three games, I'm probably waighing those more

1151
01:01:39,080 --> 01:01:42,120
Speaker 1: than other people because that's that's his true ceiling. I think,

1152
01:01:42,240 --> 01:01:44,320
Speaker 1: you know, they took him in the first round for

1153
01:01:44,320 --> 01:01:47,080
Speaker 1: a reason. He is a very talented receiver, and I

1154
01:01:47,160 --> 01:01:49,120
Speaker 1: think this year he's gonna he's gonna have a chance

1155
01:01:49,200 --> 01:01:52,000
Speaker 1: to step up and heading an ear two, he's gonna

1156
01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:55,200
Speaker 1: be able to have a full camp, full preseason, god willing,

1157
01:01:55,880 --> 01:01:57,760
Speaker 1: where I think he's he's gonna surprise a bit. So

1158
01:01:57,920 --> 01:02:00,720
Speaker 1: I like getting him, you know, outside the top forty

1159
01:02:00,840 --> 01:02:03,320
Speaker 1: end spots. I think, you know that's an ADP where

1160
01:02:03,400 --> 01:02:07,880
Speaker 1: there's a lot of you know, really good ceilings in

1161
01:02:07,960 --> 01:02:11,760
Speaker 1: that range. But I am having some shares of pearsall

1162
01:02:11,960 --> 01:02:13,440
Speaker 1: I'm going to be high on him this year. And

1163
01:02:13,800 --> 01:02:16,480
Speaker 1: if something happens with Jennings, I do agree it's you know,

1164
01:02:16,520 --> 01:02:19,560
Speaker 1: he's playing harball. If something happens, you know, pierceall Stock's

1165
01:02:19,880 --> 01:02:22,680
Speaker 1: gonna go up even more so, Pierceall's the guy in

1166
01:02:22,760 --> 01:02:24,840
Speaker 1: this group that I think I'm targeting the most right now.

1167
01:02:25,320 --> 01:02:28,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just not there. I just see It's not

1168
01:02:28,200 --> 01:02:30,240
Speaker 2: that I don't see the ceiling case, but I just

1169
01:02:30,320 --> 01:02:34,320
Speaker 2: see too many ranges, too wide range of outcomes. Where

1170
01:02:35,240 --> 01:02:42,200
Speaker 2: again he's he could potentially be the fourth best wide

1171
01:02:42,240 --> 01:02:45,160
Speaker 2: receiver on his own team, not pass catching option, the

1172
01:02:45,240 --> 01:02:48,600
Speaker 2: fourth best wide receiver on his own team because you

1173
01:02:48,720 --> 01:02:52,600
Speaker 2: do have Ayu, you do have Jennings, and again Robinson

1174
01:02:52,680 --> 01:02:54,440
Speaker 2: is there, and you have a bunch of young guys

1175
01:02:54,480 --> 01:02:56,880
Speaker 2: that people are saying could break out. So like the

1176
01:02:57,000 --> 01:02:59,840
Speaker 2: fact that we didn't see like a dominant effort from Pearsall's,

1177
01:03:00,200 --> 01:03:02,520
Speaker 2: I know, you know, the shooting probably played into that,

1178
01:03:02,600 --> 01:03:06,320
Speaker 2: but I just don't know that he's gonna be In

1179
01:03:06,480 --> 01:03:09,480
Speaker 2: my opinion anyway, I don't see like league winner as

1180
01:03:09,600 --> 01:03:12,320
Speaker 2: like a high enough to really do it. Maybe if

1181
01:03:12,320 --> 01:03:14,680
Speaker 2: he drops a bit more, but he'd probably have to

1182
01:03:14,720 --> 01:03:18,120
Speaker 2: go into like that wide receiver. Five sixis range for me.

1183
01:03:18,600 --> 01:03:20,960
Speaker 2: I think people were like, at least for me, a

1184
01:03:21,000 --> 01:03:23,200
Speaker 2: little bit too optimistic. There's just too many question marks.

1185
01:03:23,240 --> 01:03:25,200
Speaker 2: And this is like a true training camp press question,

1186
01:03:25,400 --> 01:03:28,680
Speaker 2: like who who kind of breaks out because yeah, Piersoll

1187
01:03:29,440 --> 01:03:31,920
Speaker 2: did ball out down the stretch. But remember it was

1188
01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:37,120
Speaker 2: that crazy game against Detroit where Detroit didn't have to

1189
01:03:37,160 --> 01:03:39,600
Speaker 2: play for real and their defense was shot and the

1190
01:03:39,720 --> 01:03:41,520
Speaker 2: Niners were already out of it, but they so they

1191
01:03:41,640 --> 01:03:45,480
Speaker 2: just kind of threw it around and then or they

1192
01:03:45,520 --> 01:03:46,760
Speaker 2: were about to be out of that. I don't think

1193
01:03:46,760 --> 01:03:49,440
Speaker 2: they were officially eliminated, but they pretty much knew. And

1194
01:03:49,520 --> 01:03:53,840
Speaker 2: then the that final week it was like Josh Dobbs,

1195
01:03:54,400 --> 01:03:57,320
Speaker 2: So I mean, yeah, you could weigh it. But there

1196
01:03:57,400 --> 01:03:59,400
Speaker 2: was also like a stretch where Pearsall got targeted like

1197
01:03:59,480 --> 01:04:02,800
Speaker 2: four times, and like a hundred routes right before that too.

1198
01:04:02,920 --> 01:04:07,240
Speaker 1: So you can, yeah, he is definitely not I'm not

1199
01:04:07,480 --> 01:04:09,760
Speaker 1: like all in, I'm like Brian Thomas Jr. Or anything

1200
01:04:09,800 --> 01:04:12,440
Speaker 1: like that. But I think the caveat with the Niners

1201
01:04:12,560 --> 01:04:16,000
Speaker 1: is they run three wide receiver sets at like what

1202
01:04:16,160 --> 01:04:20,040
Speaker 1: the lowest rate. So when you know Ayuk and Jennings

1203
01:04:20,440 --> 01:04:23,400
Speaker 1: and pearsall are healthy, uh, you know, Piersall could be

1204
01:04:23,480 --> 01:04:26,160
Speaker 1: the odd man out, which in this offense would hurt

1205
01:04:26,200 --> 01:04:29,000
Speaker 1: in the most because they don't run eleven personnel as

1206
01:04:29,080 --> 01:04:31,520
Speaker 1: much as other teams. So that's that's the downside with

1207
01:04:31,600 --> 01:04:35,000
Speaker 1: him or second half of the season, you know, he

1208
01:04:35,200 --> 01:04:37,280
Speaker 1: he could be closer to his floor. So I agree

1209
01:04:37,320 --> 01:04:39,640
Speaker 1: there's concerns with them. He has a wide range of outcomes.

1210
01:04:39,960 --> 01:04:42,760
Speaker 1: This whole wide receiver room has a wide range of outcomes.

1211
01:04:42,800 --> 01:04:45,200
Speaker 1: But it's something I'll be you know, monitoring closely during camp.

1212
01:04:46,240 --> 01:04:48,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, you always gotta be careful with the Shanahan too.

1213
01:04:48,880 --> 01:04:50,840
Speaker 2: It's like, is it going to be like a Trey

1214
01:04:50,960 --> 01:04:53,400
Speaker 2: Lance Dante Petta situation or is it going to be

1215
01:04:53,600 --> 01:04:56,800
Speaker 2: like a deeb with Samuel situate? Like you know what

1216
01:04:56,840 --> 01:04:59,600
Speaker 2: I mean? Like it he was wide ranges of outcomes.

1217
01:05:00,040 --> 01:05:02,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, remember when he was benching, are you uh yeah,

1218
01:05:02,840 --> 01:05:04,920
Speaker 1: are you guys gonna have his breakout season? And he

1219
01:05:05,080 --> 01:05:07,720
Speaker 1: just you know, benched him for the first couple of games.

1220
01:05:08,120 --> 01:05:10,440
Speaker 1: So yeah, Shanahan's always playing those games. You got to

1221
01:05:10,520 --> 01:05:12,680
Speaker 1: look out for her.

1222
01:05:12,800 --> 01:05:18,120
Speaker 2: Danny Gray's making noise in Eagles camp. Maybe Will takes Dotson, yeah, cowing.

1223
01:05:18,320 --> 01:05:21,000
Speaker 2: But yeah, now I'm hearing him as a breakout too.

1224
01:05:21,160 --> 01:05:23,680
Speaker 2: But I mean that's that's probably not great, uh, for

1225
01:05:24,120 --> 01:05:26,800
Speaker 2: for all involved. But also Pieroso is hurt, which is

1226
01:05:26,880 --> 01:05:29,040
Speaker 2: not not ideal. That That's another thing that I'm worried.

1227
01:05:29,240 --> 01:05:31,200
Speaker 2: That's probably why Jennings is using his leverage.

1228
01:05:31,440 --> 01:05:33,120
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, as he should.

1229
01:05:33,680 --> 01:05:36,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean yeah it could. I mean Kiddle's getting

1230
01:05:36,880 --> 01:05:38,320
Speaker 2: up there in age two. I mean it could be

1231
01:05:38,560 --> 01:05:41,280
Speaker 2: whoever's healthy in that offense. Is he's gonna catch balls,

1232
01:05:41,320 --> 01:05:41,840
Speaker 2: that's for sure?

1233
01:05:41,960 --> 01:05:42,200
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1234
01:05:42,560 --> 01:05:48,040
Speaker 2: Uh Seattle? How many tide pods? The Super Cup?

1235
01:05:49,440 --> 01:05:50,880
Speaker 1: A lot like? Is he?

1236
01:05:51,440 --> 01:05:54,880
Speaker 2: Like? Will he be a viable fantasy asset at any

1237
01:05:54,960 --> 01:05:58,440
Speaker 2: point to anyone outside of like a sixteen team league?

1238
01:05:59,200 --> 01:06:02,480
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe I think, yeah, I think he's closer to

1239
01:06:02,520 --> 01:06:04,080
Speaker 1: Cook than people realize.

1240
01:06:04,920 --> 01:06:06,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree.

1241
01:06:06,360 --> 01:06:06,880
Speaker 1: The Rams.

1242
01:06:07,320 --> 01:06:10,760
Speaker 2: The rams again, they they're not the greatest that at

1243
01:06:11,000 --> 01:06:14,520
Speaker 2: some of these wide receiver of vals, and but they

1244
01:06:14,680 --> 01:06:16,480
Speaker 2: they the fact that they just moved on for him

1245
01:06:16,600 --> 01:06:18,640
Speaker 2: so swiftly tells you everything you need to know. And

1246
01:06:18,920 --> 01:06:22,400
Speaker 2: this is another one where I think Matt Harmon over

1247
01:06:22,440 --> 01:06:25,600
Speaker 2: there at Reception Perception summed it up really perfectly from

1248
01:06:25,640 --> 01:06:29,160
Speaker 2: what I saw as well as that, you know, he

1249
01:06:29,440 --> 01:06:32,800
Speaker 2: he was always going to kind of struggle against man coverage,

1250
01:06:32,880 --> 01:06:36,600
Speaker 2: and last year it bottomed out. He was third percentile

1251
01:06:37,520 --> 01:06:41,760
Speaker 2: in HARMAE charting against man and against press coverage. Third percentile.

1252
01:06:42,160 --> 01:06:45,800
Speaker 2: That is terrible. But the problem is he always used

1253
01:06:45,800 --> 01:06:48,360
Speaker 2: to beat like kill zone. You know, that's Cooper Cup

1254
01:06:48,440 --> 01:06:51,720
Speaker 2: for you. Last year he was also thirtieth percentile against

1255
01:06:51,720 --> 01:06:55,440
Speaker 2: his owe. So what are we really doing here? I

1256
01:06:55,520 --> 01:06:58,280
Speaker 2: think this is this sets up for a Jackson Smith's

1257
01:06:58,280 --> 01:07:02,960
Speaker 2: and Jigba target monster season, and Cooper Cup probably is

1258
01:07:03,040 --> 01:07:06,640
Speaker 2: tyro Rockett just rolling, rolling on, catching some balls and

1259
01:07:07,040 --> 01:07:10,800
Speaker 2: rolling gimping to the ground on the turf and getting

1260
01:07:10,840 --> 01:07:12,920
Speaker 2: up to live another play. And he's always a guy

1261
01:07:12,960 --> 01:07:15,440
Speaker 2: that's been kind of injury prone to So yeah, I'm

1262
01:07:15,520 --> 01:07:19,160
Speaker 2: I'm out. I'm out on Cup, same you got you're

1263
01:07:19,160 --> 01:07:19,400
Speaker 2: about to.

1264
01:07:20,280 --> 01:07:22,760
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, it leads it leads me to my question.

1265
01:07:23,680 --> 01:07:25,920
Speaker 1: Uh again, it's a question. I don't know how the

1266
01:07:25,960 --> 01:07:30,919
Speaker 1: answer this, but you know, as Tory Horton their fifth

1267
01:07:31,000 --> 01:07:34,640
Speaker 1: round pick able to climb this wide receiver depth chart

1268
01:07:34,720 --> 01:07:38,160
Speaker 1: and potentially be the number two as a rookie, I

1269
01:07:38,240 --> 01:07:39,080
Speaker 1: think there's a chance.

1270
01:07:39,160 --> 01:07:41,760
Speaker 2: I think there's a there's an opening because yeah, Cup

1271
01:07:41,800 --> 01:07:43,840
Speaker 2: could be could end up settling in his kind of

1272
01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:47,160
Speaker 2: like I don't even want to say uh, because Stephen

1273
01:07:47,280 --> 01:07:48,840
Speaker 2: was good last year, but kind of you know, like

1274
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Speaker 2: just uh, like a wide receiver three on the team,

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Speaker 2: and that leaves I mean, you got who you got

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01:07:55,960 --> 01:07:59,680
Speaker 2: a Marquez Valdez scantling there as well, and you know

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Speaker 2: he he usually has trouble kind of sticking, but maybe

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01:08:03,040 --> 01:08:04,800
Speaker 2: maybe he does stick. He did have some moments on

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Speaker 2: the Saints, and I think, you know, they got some

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01:08:07,880 --> 01:08:12,800
Speaker 2: continuity with kobiyat there. So I think MVS ironically might

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01:08:12,880 --> 01:08:17,679
Speaker 2: be his biggest roadwalk, which is not much of a roadwalk.

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Speaker 2: So I'd say I'd say yes, but I don't. I don't.

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01:08:21,320 --> 01:08:22,880
Speaker 2: I'm not. I'm still not at the point where i'm

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01:08:23,320 --> 01:08:27,000
Speaker 2: aside from a couple like Yolo, Sam Darnold stacks here

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Speaker 2: and there investment, I'm not really investing yet.

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Speaker 1: How about you? Yeah, same, I think it's just something

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01:08:32,120 --> 01:08:34,439
Speaker 1: in a monitor. I was actually shocked that Horton fell

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01:08:34,520 --> 01:08:36,080
Speaker 1: to the fifth round. I thought he was a pretty

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01:08:36,520 --> 01:08:40,920
Speaker 1: solid prospect. You know, he's uh six' three and has

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01:08:41,160 --> 01:08:44,000
Speaker 1: four to four, speed so good size seat speed. Combo

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01:08:44,120 --> 01:08:47,639
Speaker 1: also you, know a solid route. Runner he's also a punt.

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01:08:47,680 --> 01:08:50,439
Speaker 1: RETURNER i think he's gonna be The seahawks punt. Returner

1293
01:08:50,520 --> 01:08:52,400
Speaker 1: SO i think he's pretty much a lock to make the.

1294
01:08:52,479 --> 01:08:56,240
Speaker 1: Team But, yeah we'll see how he looks in preseason

1295
01:08:56,360 --> 01:08:59,640
Speaker 1: AND mvs is you, know one trick pony at this

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01:08:59,680 --> 01:09:02,120
Speaker 1: point his, Career SO i. AGREE i think that's his main.

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01:09:02,200 --> 01:09:05,639
Speaker 1: Competition Cooper cupp's sort of his own. Thing If cooper cup,

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01:09:06,400 --> 01:09:08,160
Speaker 1: can you, know find the fountain of, Youth he's going

1299
01:09:08,200 --> 01:09:10,679
Speaker 1: to be the number two. Receiver BUT i just don't

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01:09:10,680 --> 01:09:13,600
Speaker 1: see it. Happening SO i Think horton sneaky in this.

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Speaker 1: Offense so he's definitely Someone i'm maybe. MONITORING i think

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01:09:17,720 --> 01:09:20,519
Speaker 1: he could surprise this year because again he was a

1303
01:09:20,560 --> 01:09:23,960
Speaker 1: fifth round. Pick you typically don't see fifth round picks

1304
01:09:24,160 --> 01:09:27,160
Speaker 1: pop at, all if not the rookie, Season so he's

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01:09:27,200 --> 01:09:29,280
Speaker 1: Someone i'll be. WATCHING i think this depth chart does

1306
01:09:30,240 --> 01:09:33,400
Speaker 1: present itself as one where he could all of a

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01:09:33,400 --> 01:09:35,439
Speaker 1: sudden become the number two by the time we get you,

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01:09:35,520 --> 01:09:36,680
Speaker 1: know at some point in the.

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Speaker 2: Season, yeah AND i personally think That seattle is one

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01:09:42,760 --> 01:09:46,920
Speaker 2: of the teams probably with the most downside this side

1311
01:09:46,960 --> 01:09:49,800
Speaker 2: Of New. Orleans so if it all goes left For,

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01:09:49,960 --> 01:09:52,080
Speaker 2: seattle you could he be sitting there late in the,

1313
01:09:52,160 --> 01:09:57,400
Speaker 2: Year Jawn milroe just launching bombs to Hort now we're

1314
01:09:57,439 --> 01:10:01,280
Speaker 2: talking four four speed because the thing About horton is

1315
01:10:01,360 --> 01:10:03,439
Speaker 2: like to start the year even if he's if he

1316
01:10:03,520 --> 01:10:06,040
Speaker 2: gains that starting, job it's probably gonna be win sprinty,

1317
01:10:06,360 --> 01:10:09,600
Speaker 2: like because, yeah he's gonna be THE, x and then you,

1318
01:10:09,680 --> 01:10:13,200
Speaker 2: KNOW jsn is gonna move around and And cup pretty

1319
01:10:13,240 --> 01:10:15,519
Speaker 2: much has to play in the slot you, know or

1320
01:10:15,920 --> 01:10:19,280
Speaker 2: THE z and and and THEN jsn will be whichever he's.

1321
01:10:19,360 --> 01:10:22,240
Speaker 2: Not so it's it's probably gonna be win sprinty. Early but,

1322
01:10:23,000 --> 01:10:25,040
Speaker 2: yeah he could catch some deep, bombs could be a

1323
01:10:25,080 --> 01:10:28,320
Speaker 2: best ball asset with Some darnald stacks or some Mill rose.

1324
01:10:28,360 --> 01:10:32,679
Speaker 1: Stacks love. IT i signed for one hundred and fifty

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01:10:32,720 --> 01:10:37,320
Speaker 1: catches this year. Though yeah he's a new uh a manra,

1326
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Speaker 1: yep Poor man's that's always good the ceiling not even poor.

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Speaker 1: MAN'S i think he's like legit could be on Par.

1328
01:10:45,920 --> 01:10:48,120
Speaker 2: YEAH i Mean Sam donald. LEFT i saw it was

1329
01:10:48,160 --> 01:10:51,680
Speaker 2: a poor man for one hundred and twenty minutes of,

1330
01:10:51,720 --> 01:10:54,880
Speaker 2: football So i'm going but, yeah, No i'm higher on

1331
01:10:55,040 --> 01:10:57,800
Speaker 2: THE jas or then content is ON. JSN i think

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01:10:57,840 --> 01:11:02,040
Speaker 2: he's gonna dominate targets all. Right that is going to do.

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