WEBVTT - Hell and Gone Murder Line: Charity Beallis Pt. 2

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<v Speaker 2>On December third, twenty twenty five, forty year old Charity

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<v Speaker 2>Billis and her six year old twins, a daughter and

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<v Speaker 2>a son were fatally shot at their home in Bonanza,

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<v Speaker 2>West Arkansas.

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<v Speaker 3>As we said last.

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<v Speaker 2>Week in Part one, Charity had been going through an

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<v Speaker 2>ugly divorce battle with her husband, a fifty six year

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<v Speaker 2>old local doctor named Randal b Alis. They had been

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<v Speaker 2>battling in court for months, and on December second, Charity

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<v Speaker 2>and Randall went to a divorce hearing in Fort Smith.

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<v Speaker 2>As we've said before, we're not sure what the exact

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<v Speaker 2>status of that divorce is now. What we do know

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<v Speaker 2>is that on December second, Judge Shannon Black gave Charity

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<v Speaker 2>and Randall a ben shorter, finalizing their divorce. However, in

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<v Speaker 2>order for a divorce to become final with the court,

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<v Speaker 2>a written decree has to be filed.

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<v Speaker 3>With the court.

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<v Speaker 2>According to court papers, Charity filed a request for an

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<v Speaker 2>emergency hearing before this could be done. This hearing was

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<v Speaker 2>supposed to take place on December third. When Charity didn't

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<v Speaker 2>show up for that hearing, someone called for a welfare

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<v Speaker 2>check and that's when Charity in the children's bodies were

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<v Speaker 2>found in the home. On December fourth, Randall All us

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<v Speaker 2>his attorney Michael Pierce, filed to dismiss the divorce action

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<v Speaker 2>due to Charity's death. Charity's son, John from a previous relationship,

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<v Speaker 2>has also filed his own legal.

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<v Speaker 3>Motion pertaining to what he claims is his mother's half

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<v Speaker 3>of the estate.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a complicated case and it is still unfolding

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<v Speaker 2>since then. Some of Charity's family members and a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of news stories have commented on the alleged domestic violence

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<v Speaker 2>in the home, allegedly perpetrated by Randall. But this week

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<v Speaker 2>we got the transcript of Charity and Randall's divorce hearing.

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<v Speaker 2>For the first time, we will hear Randall's side. As

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<v Speaker 2>it turns out, there were allegations of domestic violence and

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<v Speaker 2>abuse on both sides.

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<v Speaker 3>Hopefully this new information will help us.

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<v Speaker 2>Figure out what was really happening behind closed doors in

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<v Speaker 2>that house. I'm Catherine Townsend. Over the past seven years

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<v Speaker 2>This is Helen Gone Murder Line. The Sebastian County Sheriff's

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<v Speaker 2>Office has been putting out information about the case. To

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<v Speaker 2>their credit, they've released quite a bit of detail about

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<v Speaker 2>what's going on, but obviously, as we said last week,

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<v Speaker 2>since it is an ongoing investigation, there is a lot

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<v Speaker 2>that we still don't know. We know that Charity and

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<v Speaker 2>her little son and daughter were all fatally shot. What

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<v Speaker 2>we don't know yet is who shot them or why.

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<v Speaker 2>Charity's family, her father Randy Powell, and her adult son,

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<v Speaker 2>John Powell, have been very outspoken about the fact that

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<v Speaker 2>they believe doctor Randal Billis was involved in the deaths

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<v Speaker 2>of Charity and her six year old twins. While the

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<v Speaker 2>bodies of Charity and the kids were sent to the

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<v Speaker 2>Arkansas Crime Lab in Little Rock and were waiting for

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<v Speaker 2>an autopsy to determine the exact cause of death, it

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<v Speaker 2>didn't take long for police and media to focus on

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<v Speaker 2>Charity and Randall's relationship, which had been unraveling behind closed

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<v Speaker 2>doors for months. The divorce was declared final one day.

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<v Speaker 2>Charity and her children were found dead the next day.

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<v Speaker 2>As we reported last week, Charity was Randall's third and

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<v Speaker 2>fourth wife.

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<v Speaker 3>They originally married.

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<v Speaker 2>In May of twenty twelve, around four months after Randall's

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<v Speaker 2>second wife, thirty four year old licensed practical nurse Shauna,

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<v Speaker 2>died at her and Randall's home of a gunshot wound

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<v Speaker 2>to the head. Shawna's death was ruled a suicide. Randal

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<v Speaker 2>told police his relationship with Shauna had been volatile and

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<v Speaker 2>that he was in the process of divorcing her. In fact,

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<v Speaker 2>at the scene, officers noted boxes in the living room

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<v Speaker 2>that looked as if someone was packing to leave, and

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<v Speaker 2>Randall actually made a comment to one of the officers

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<v Speaker 2>of the crime scene saying he wanted to call his

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<v Speaker 2>attorney from the crime scene and telling me wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>call the divorce off. The officer noted in his report

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<v Speaker 2>he told Randal he couldn't have access to his phone

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<v Speaker 2>and that Randall got irate when detectives wanted to question him, further,

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<v Speaker 2>saying that the case was cut and dried, but there

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<v Speaker 2>was also evidence that Shawna shot for the ammunition that

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<v Speaker 2>killed her herself. She was seen on camera in Walmart

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<v Speaker 2>buying those bullets. In the end, Randal was never arrested

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<v Speaker 2>or charged in connection with shawn His suicide. After marrying

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<v Speaker 2>in twenty twelve, Charity and Randall got divorced in October

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<v Speaker 2>of that same year. It's not clear why they decided

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<v Speaker 2>to divorce, but according to court documents, they had a

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<v Speaker 2>major incident in twenty thirteen that might shed some light

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<v Speaker 2>on why they were futing at that time. According to

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<v Speaker 2>court transcripts from the twenty twenty five divorce hearing, Charity

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<v Speaker 2>admitted that she pulled a gun on Randall during a

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<v Speaker 2>domestic argument in twenty thirteen, though she stated that he

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<v Speaker 2>had also pulled guns on her multiple times in the past.

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<v Speaker 2>So you have these two completely different stories of what

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<v Speaker 2>was actually going on behind the scenes. And then it

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<v Speaker 2>got even stranger because Randall's lawyer, Michael Pierce, asked Charity

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<v Speaker 2>during these divorce proceedings about a book that Charity had

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<v Speaker 2>allegedly written, though Charity insisted Randall also had a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of input into what she wrote in that book, which

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<v Speaker 2>we'll get to in a second. The book described alleged

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<v Speaker 2>abuse that Charity suffered as a child, but according to Charity,

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<v Speaker 2>it was never published. From the transcripts of the twenty

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<v Speaker 2>twenty five divorce court hearing, we actually learned that prior

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<v Speaker 2>to February fifteenth or sixteenth, twenty twenty five, around the

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<v Speaker 2>time of the domestic incident between Charity and Randall, that

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<v Speaker 2>Charity and her father Randy Powell had not spoken, according

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<v Speaker 2>to what she told the court. In ten years after

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<v Speaker 2>the fifteenth she reached out to her father and they

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<v Speaker 2>started texting. Then they began texting hundreds of times. They

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<v Speaker 2>referred to an incident in court where Charity pulled a

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<v Speaker 2>gun on Randall back in twenty thirteen. Randall alleged that

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<v Speaker 2>after that event, Charity went to jail and that it

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<v Speaker 2>was during that time that Randy Powell and his wife

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<v Speaker 2>took custody of John Powell, Charity son. Randall stated that

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<v Speaker 2>Randy Powell had actually insisted on taking custody of John

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<v Speaker 2>in exchange for bailing Charity out of jail. We don't

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<v Speaker 2>have any way of pulling this case in the court

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<v Speaker 2>record because the record has been expunged, but it becomes

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<v Speaker 2>very clear in reading these divorced transcripts from twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 2>five that Charity and Randal by Alice had very different

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<v Speaker 2>narratives regarding what was going on over the time period

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<v Speaker 2>from twenty thirteen to twenty fifteen. Charity admitted that to

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<v Speaker 2>get her out of legal trouble involving the incident where

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<v Speaker 2>she pulled the gun on Randall, that Randall had paid

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<v Speaker 2>lawyers eighty thousand dollars over a period of two years,

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<v Speaker 2>and at some point after the case was expunged from

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<v Speaker 2>the record, Randall and Charity reconciled. They got back together

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<v Speaker 2>and remarried in November of twenty fifteen. According to marriage

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<v Speaker 2>license records, she was thirty, he was forty six. In

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<v Speaker 2>August of twenty fifteen, there was another incident, this time

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<v Speaker 2>between Charity and her stepmother, Sonya Powell. Just a quick

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<v Speaker 2>note here, we're always referring to Randal Billis as Randall

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<v Speaker 2>because Charity's father's name is Randy Powell, and I don't

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<v Speaker 2>want to.

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<v Speaker 3>Confuse the two.

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<v Speaker 2>The backstory to this was that in twenty fifteen, Sonya

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<v Speaker 2>and Randy Powell had been caring for Charity's son John.

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<v Speaker 2>That incident hinged on something that took place on August

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<v Speaker 2>twenty eighth, twenty fifteen. Sonya and Randy were at the

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<v Speaker 2>Sebastian County Fair and they had John with them. Sonia

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<v Speaker 2>claimed she and her her husband, Randy, came to visit

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<v Speaker 2>with John. According to police reports, Sonia stated that she

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<v Speaker 2>had had John in their physical and legal guardianship for

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<v Speaker 2>almost two and a half years, so that would match

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<v Speaker 2>the twenty thirteen timeline. Sonya stated in June of twenty fifteen,

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<v Speaker 2>the court had dissolved that guardianship. John went back to

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<v Speaker 2>live with his mother, Charity and her husband Randall.

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<v Speaker 3>Sonya also said she.

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<v Speaker 2>And Randy had cared for John Powell on and off

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<v Speaker 2>for his entire lifetime. On that night, she claimed she

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<v Speaker 2>and her husband Randy saw Charity and John at the fair.

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<v Speaker 2>She said she was coming toward them to say hi

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<v Speaker 2>to John, and at that moment, Randal b Allis came

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<v Speaker 2>up from behind her, grabbed her by the shoulder and arms,

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<v Speaker 2>and spun her around and threatened to kill her and

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<v Speaker 2>her husband Randy. Sonia said she grabbed his shirt in

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<v Speaker 2>response to that. Then there was a Greenwood police officer

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<v Speaker 2>named Detective Nicholas Driscoll, and they ended up arresting Sonya

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<v Speaker 2>Powell and charged her for a battery offense against Randall.

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<v Speaker 3>She pleaded not guilty. Now. She claimed in her core.

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<v Speaker 2>Papers the detective only showed up at the end of

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<v Speaker 2>the event when she was grabbing Randall's shirt, and that

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<v Speaker 2>the detective didn't see the beginning when she claimed Randall

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<v Speaker 2>put his hands on her first. Eventually, the restraining order

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<v Speaker 2>that was put in place was removed, the case was

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<v Speaker 2>dismissed with prejudice, and there was no further legal action

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<v Speaker 2>taken after that, so by that time Charity and Randall

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<v Speaker 2>were back together. This time before tying the knot, Charity

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<v Speaker 2>and Randall had a prenuptial agreement in place. They signed

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<v Speaker 2>it in October of twenty fifteen, shortly before they married

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<v Speaker 2>for the second time. The prenup stated that each of them,

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<v Speaker 2>Charity and Randall, had property that they had acquired prior

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<v Speaker 2>to the marriage, and they claimed they had each divolved

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<v Speaker 2>the status of those properties and the value of their

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<v Speaker 2>states to each other. The prenup stated that if they divorced,

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<v Speaker 2>they agreed that neither one of them would have any

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<v Speaker 2>claims to the personal property of the other that had

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<v Speaker 2>been individually acquired. Randall agreed to support Charity financially as

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<v Speaker 2>long as the marriage continued, but it was stated that

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<v Speaker 2>in the event of a split, he would pay Charity

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<v Speaker 2>ten thousand dollars and that was it. The prenup also

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<v Speaker 2>stated neither of them would be allowed to inherit the

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<v Speaker 2>other one's personal property in the event of their deaths

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<v Speaker 2>unless they were married for twenty years or more, in

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<v Speaker 2>which case either of them would be allowed to inherit.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's confusing because the prenup is pretty clear. But

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<v Speaker 2>then you have the question of what is individual property

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<v Speaker 2>and what is joint property because at some point they

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<v Speaker 2>did buy a home together, the home that Charity and

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<v Speaker 2>the kids were living in at the time of their death.

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<v Speaker 2>Charity's father, Randy Powell, has told crime Online and other

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<v Speaker 2>media sources he believes Randal wanted to kill Charity for

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<v Speaker 2>what he called financial gain, and that that's why Randall

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<v Speaker 2>had filed for the divorce dismissal after Charity in the

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<v Speaker 2>kid's bodies were found.

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<v Speaker 3>But is there any truth to that? Does that make sense?

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<v Speaker 2>Charity and Randall were fighting about money, perhaps not surprisingly,

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<v Speaker 2>they had very different stories about finances when they testified

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<v Speaker 2>at their divorce hearings. They don't dispute that Randall Powell

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<v Speaker 2>was the sole breadwinner as an independent physician. He estimated

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<v Speaker 2>his salary was around four hundred thousand dollars a year.

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<v Speaker 2>Charity had a nursing degree, but until this point had

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<v Speaker 2>never obtained a nursing license, so she was a homemaker.

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<v Speaker 2>According to County Property records. Charity and Randall bought their

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<v Speaker 2>home together, described by the Sebastian County Assessor as a

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<v Speaker 2>four bedroom, four bathroom just over twenty five hundred square

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<v Speaker 2>foot home, in twenty seventeen for four hundred and thirty

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<v Speaker 2>five thousand dollars. Today that property is worth around seven

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<v Speaker 2>hundred and fifty to seven hundred and sixty thousand dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>We wondered if, since this property was bought together after

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<v Speaker 2>the marriage, if presumably it might not fall under the

0:14:43.161 --> 0:14:46.081
<v Speaker 2>umbrella of the prenup and would be something that could

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<v Speaker 2>possibly be divided up in case of a divorce, And

0:14:49.321 --> 0:14:52.601
<v Speaker 2>it turns out that that was addressed in Randall's court filings.

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<v Speaker 2>He actually asked the judge that when dividing their assets,

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<v Speaker 2>that the court apply the conditions of the prenuptial agreement

0:14:59.921 --> 0:15:04.521
<v Speaker 2>to their real estate and personal property. Randal and Charity

0:15:04.641 --> 0:15:09.601
<v Speaker 2>maintained separate checking accounts. She claimed he controlled all the finances.

0:15:10.041 --> 0:15:13.041
<v Speaker 2>He claimed that due to her spending, she would not

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<v Speaker 2>be a good steward of their money. Randal testified that

0:15:16.801 --> 0:15:19.321
<v Speaker 2>he replenished her bank account to pay off her credit

0:15:19.401 --> 0:15:22.761
<v Speaker 2>card debts, putting in around ten thousand dollars every month

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<v Speaker 2>or two. He admitted they did argue about money. He

0:15:26.161 --> 0:15:29.321
<v Speaker 2>testified that they argued, for example, about how many packages

0:15:29.361 --> 0:15:32.921
<v Speaker 2>that Charity would have delivered, and also about her cosmetic surgery.

0:15:33.921 --> 0:15:36.481
<v Speaker 2>He said in front of the judge, quote, I wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>able to put money into my retirement account for quite

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<v Speaker 2>some time now because of your excesses, having your nails

0:15:42.281 --> 0:15:44.761
<v Speaker 2>done all the time, having your eyebrows done, your eyelash

0:15:44.841 --> 0:15:48.321
<v Speaker 2>is done, laser therapies, your lips done, your breast done twice,

0:15:48.841 --> 0:15:51.921
<v Speaker 2>getting all of these cosmetic things. Every week you would

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<v Speaker 2>go and do a facial, you would do fillers end quote.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to note here the reason Randall speaking directly

0:15:58.401 --> 0:16:02.761
<v Speaker 2>to Charity is because she was representing herself in court.

0:16:03.361 --> 0:16:07.081
<v Speaker 2>He had an attorney, Michael Pierce, but Charity was questioning

0:16:07.161 --> 0:16:11.561
<v Speaker 2>Randal directly. Charity claimed that all of their bank accounts

0:16:11.601 --> 0:16:15.441
<v Speaker 2>were inexplicably empty and that Randall had not shown her

0:16:15.481 --> 0:16:19.681
<v Speaker 2>any tax information in twenty twenty four. She also stated,

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<v Speaker 2>when it came to the home equity line of credit

0:16:22.281 --> 0:16:24.961
<v Speaker 2>that Randall had taken out on their house that he

0:16:25.081 --> 0:16:27.321
<v Speaker 2>said was to build an addition to the home, that

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<v Speaker 2>he never allowed her to know what was going on

0:16:29.561 --> 0:16:33.841
<v Speaker 2>with that money, which he denied. Randall stated in court

0:16:33.921 --> 0:16:35.561
<v Speaker 2>he wanted to stick with what was in the prenup,

0:16:35.921 --> 0:16:38.721
<v Speaker 2>giving Charity ten thousand dollars in the event of a divorce.

0:16:39.481 --> 0:16:42.401
<v Speaker 2>But he also said that by his understanding, she would

0:16:42.401 --> 0:16:45.241
<v Speaker 2>also be entitled to half the value of the marital home.

0:16:45.561 --> 0:16:48.481
<v Speaker 2>She would get her vehicle, a BMWSUV that he had

0:16:48.521 --> 0:16:51.401
<v Speaker 2>gifted her. He would keep his vehicle and be responsible

0:16:51.401 --> 0:16:56.961
<v Speaker 2>for his student loans. So the next question is who

0:16:57.161 --> 0:17:01.441
<v Speaker 2>was really abusing the children. Charity said Randall was abusive.

0:17:02.241 --> 0:17:06.001
<v Speaker 2>He hit back, accusing her in court of lying, coaching

0:17:06.001 --> 0:17:09.840
<v Speaker 2>the children, and alienating him as a parent. Things got

0:17:09.961 --> 0:17:26.440
<v Speaker 2>ugly at that court hearing. We know that Charity and

0:17:26.521 --> 0:17:29.561
<v Speaker 2>Randall got into a huge fight on February sixteenth, twenty

0:17:29.600 --> 0:17:33.080
<v Speaker 2>twenty five. Charity accused Randal of trying to choke her

0:17:33.120 --> 0:17:37.761
<v Speaker 2>and of endangering the children. But again, not surprisingly, they

0:17:37.840 --> 0:17:40.281
<v Speaker 2>have two very different accounts of what went down that

0:17:40.360 --> 0:17:44.080
<v Speaker 2>day and what has happened since then. We know some

0:17:44.080 --> 0:17:46.640
<v Speaker 2>things for sure. We know that Randall was charged with

0:17:46.681 --> 0:17:50.080
<v Speaker 2>aggravated assault, third degree domestic battery, and two counts of

0:17:50.121 --> 0:17:53.241
<v Speaker 2>endangering the welfare of a minor because the children were

0:17:53.241 --> 0:17:56.521
<v Speaker 2>present in the home during the assault. In October of

0:17:56.521 --> 0:18:00.641
<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty five, Randall negotiated a plea deal. He accepted

0:18:00.681 --> 0:18:04.360
<v Speaker 2>a single charge of misdemeanor third degree domestic battery. He

0:18:04.481 --> 0:18:06.920
<v Speaker 2>was sentenced to a one year sentence, suspend it, a

0:18:06.961 --> 0:18:10.080
<v Speaker 2>fifteen hundred dollars fine, and was ordered to attend a

0:18:10.121 --> 0:18:13.200
<v Speaker 2>domestic violence program and to have no contact with Charity.

0:18:14.361 --> 0:18:17.001
<v Speaker 2>Charity told her friends and family she was upset about

0:18:17.001 --> 0:18:19.521
<v Speaker 2>this deal. She did not feel that Randal had gotten

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<v Speaker 2>the punishment that he deserved.

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<v Speaker 3>A side note about choking.

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<v Speaker 2>Choking is a major red flag in domestic violence cases.

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<v Speaker 3>We've talked about this a lot on this podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>In fact, studies show if a woman is choked by

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<v Speaker 2>her partner or a husband, he is much more likely

0:18:36.241 --> 0:18:40.241
<v Speaker 2>to kill her later. Experts say victims who experience what

0:18:40.321 --> 0:18:44.041
<v Speaker 2>they call non fatal strangulation by an intimate partner are

0:18:44.161 --> 0:18:47.521
<v Speaker 2>seven hundred and fifty percent more likely to be murdered

0:18:47.521 --> 0:18:53.161
<v Speaker 2>by that partner in future. After the split and after

0:18:53.201 --> 0:18:56.961
<v Speaker 2>the choking incident, Randall rented a townhouse in Fort Smith

0:18:57.001 --> 0:19:00.001
<v Speaker 2>with two bedrooms. He told the judge he hoped to

0:19:00.041 --> 0:19:03.121
<v Speaker 2>host the children there for visits and eventually possibly moved

0:19:03.161 --> 0:19:07.841
<v Speaker 2>to another home. Charity claimed that Randall was a narcissist,

0:19:08.201 --> 0:19:11.681
<v Speaker 2>one whose coercive control led to her and her children

0:19:11.761 --> 0:19:16.081
<v Speaker 2>living in terror. Meanwhile, Randall claimed Charity was the abusive one.

0:19:16.201 --> 0:19:19.081
<v Speaker 2>He said she alied to the children and coached them.

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<v Speaker 2>Since we don't know what happened inside that house, we

0:19:22.521 --> 0:19:25.601
<v Speaker 2>do have to consider the possibility this could have been

0:19:25.681 --> 0:19:30.561
<v Speaker 2>some type of murder suicide situation. Again, until the autopsy

0:19:30.601 --> 0:19:32.321
<v Speaker 2>in the forensics are back.

0:19:32.441 --> 0:19:35.001
<v Speaker 3>We don't know. We just have no way of knowing

0:19:35.041 --> 0:19:35.441
<v Speaker 3>for sure.

0:19:36.601 --> 0:19:39.761
<v Speaker 2>Again, if Randall is suspected of this crime, we have

0:19:39.840 --> 0:19:41.961
<v Speaker 2>no idea of what his motive would have been.

0:19:42.840 --> 0:19:44.521
<v Speaker 3>On December second, at that.

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<v Speaker 2>Final hearing, Randall was awarded joint custody of his children,

0:19:48.601 --> 0:19:51.241
<v Speaker 2>which would have been an improvement from the situation he

0:19:51.241 --> 0:19:54.481
<v Speaker 2>had been living in since February, where Charity basically had

0:19:54.481 --> 0:19:59.161
<v Speaker 2>full custody of the children. Charity's son, John, has stated

0:19:59.721 --> 0:20:04.001
<v Speaker 2>Randall was the abuser in his relationship with Charity, but

0:20:04.321 --> 0:20:08.001
<v Speaker 2>in twenty twenty, John, who was seventeen years old at

0:20:08.041 --> 0:20:11.001
<v Speaker 2>the time and living with Charity and Randall, filed a

0:20:11.001 --> 0:20:15.001
<v Speaker 2>petition for removal of disability of minority. Basically, he was

0:20:15.041 --> 0:20:17.721
<v Speaker 2>asking the court to emancipate him from his mother and

0:20:17.761 --> 0:20:21.840
<v Speaker 2>his stepfather. When he filed that petition, John was a

0:20:21.881 --> 0:20:22.801
<v Speaker 2>couple of months.

0:20:22.521 --> 0:20:23.841
<v Speaker 3>Away from his eighteenth birthday.

0:20:24.561 --> 0:20:27.481
<v Speaker 2>He had graduated from Greenwood High School that year, and

0:20:27.521 --> 0:20:30.321
<v Speaker 2>he had a job at Atwoods and Fort Smith. The

0:20:30.321 --> 0:20:33.080
<v Speaker 2>court allows anyone who is sixteen or older and meets

0:20:33.121 --> 0:20:36.880
<v Speaker 2>certain criteria to obtain majority to be treated as an adult,

0:20:36.881 --> 0:20:40.001
<v Speaker 2>and that's what John did. The petition talked about an

0:20:40.001 --> 0:20:42.161
<v Speaker 2>incident that happened when John was living at the home

0:20:42.201 --> 0:20:45.721
<v Speaker 2>with Charity and Randall. John alleged that on May fourteenth,

0:20:45.761 --> 0:20:49.640
<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty, that Charity and Randall slashed the tires of

0:20:49.681 --> 0:20:52.361
<v Speaker 2>his two thousand and five Ford fifty one fifty truck

0:20:52.840 --> 0:20:56.361
<v Speaker 2>with a knife or ice pick, deflating them and ruining them.

0:20:57.001 --> 0:20:59.281
<v Speaker 2>John had bought the car himself and had the title

0:20:59.321 --> 0:21:03.281
<v Speaker 2>listed in his name. John also asked for compensation from

0:21:03.441 --> 0:21:06.401
<v Speaker 2>Charity and Randall for the tires. He said they were

0:21:06.441 --> 0:21:09.441
<v Speaker 2>worth eleven to twelve hundred dollars each. He asked the

0:21:09.441 --> 0:21:12.601
<v Speaker 2>court to give him his personal property back, personal property

0:21:12.681 --> 0:21:15.401
<v Speaker 2>he said was at Charity in Randall's home. The court

0:21:15.481 --> 0:21:18.160
<v Speaker 2>awarded him his property and the cost of the tires,

0:21:19.840 --> 0:21:24.881
<v Speaker 2>So which one of them was abusive Randall, Charity or both.

0:21:25.961 --> 0:21:29.121
<v Speaker 2>In the transcripts that we received of Charity in Randall's

0:21:29.161 --> 0:21:32.801
<v Speaker 2>divorce hearing via Foya, we do get some more insight

0:21:32.881 --> 0:21:36.321
<v Speaker 2>into what was going on behind closed doors. The following

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<v Speaker 2>will be a paraphrased account of the court transcripts. Charity

0:21:40.641 --> 0:21:43.281
<v Speaker 2>told the court the children were afraid of Randall, but

0:21:43.401 --> 0:21:47.001
<v Speaker 2>Randall testified he was seeking full custody and that Charity

0:21:47.080 --> 0:21:50.880
<v Speaker 2>had abused the children. Charity, representing herself, was allowed to

0:21:50.961 --> 0:21:53.840
<v Speaker 2>question Randal directly when she asked him in front of

0:21:53.840 --> 0:21:56.080
<v Speaker 2>the judge how it was that he was claiming she

0:21:56.121 --> 0:22:00.681
<v Speaker 2>abused them. He replied, quote, you systematically lied to them,

0:22:00.761 --> 0:22:03.881
<v Speaker 2>and you took six weeks after we separated to instill

0:22:04.041 --> 0:22:07.041
<v Speaker 2>lies into them, and specifically about the abuse they obtained

0:22:07.041 --> 0:22:09.801
<v Speaker 2>supposedly by me while you were in the hospital for

0:22:09.840 --> 0:22:14.801
<v Speaker 2>two days. Randal was asked about his relationship with his older,

0:22:15.041 --> 0:22:18.681
<v Speaker 2>now adult three children that he had with his first wife, Donna.

0:22:19.401 --> 0:22:21.721
<v Speaker 2>He told the court he had no relationship with any

0:22:21.761 --> 0:22:24.961
<v Speaker 2>of those children right now, because he claimed they were

0:22:25.001 --> 0:22:29.321
<v Speaker 2>systematically turned against him by their mother. Randal stated that

0:22:29.401 --> 0:22:32.521
<v Speaker 2>on the date of the big fight with Charity February sixteenth,

0:22:32.561 --> 0:22:36.441
<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty five, that it was Charity who attacked him.

0:22:36.801 --> 0:22:39.521
<v Speaker 2>He said this happened after he grabbed her phone. He

0:22:39.601 --> 0:22:43.041
<v Speaker 2>said she was rageful, hitting me and kicking me. He said,

0:22:43.080 --> 0:22:46.200
<v Speaker 2>to defend him, he set Charity up on the bathroom

0:22:46.241 --> 0:22:48.120
<v Speaker 2>sink so he could have more room to open the

0:22:48.161 --> 0:22:52.041
<v Speaker 2>door and get out. Randal said Charity instigated the fight.

0:22:52.521 --> 0:22:55.241
<v Speaker 2>He claimed what their children have stated about the incident

0:22:55.281 --> 0:22:58.921
<v Speaker 2>since to counselors regarding being afraid of him is due

0:22:59.001 --> 0:23:03.041
<v Speaker 2>to Charity's coaching. He said that Charity had quote poisoned

0:23:03.041 --> 0:23:07.401
<v Speaker 2>them and you have damaged them, severely damaged them end quote.

0:23:07.721 --> 0:23:11.441
<v Speaker 2>Randal testified his and Charity's life together was pretty idyllic.

0:23:11.521 --> 0:23:13.641
<v Speaker 2>He said they would often talk about how blessed they were.

0:23:14.401 --> 0:23:17.160
<v Speaker 2>He questioned her directly about how she could say this

0:23:17.321 --> 0:23:21.281
<v Speaker 2>if he was, as she alleged, abusive. She responded that

0:23:21.401 --> 0:23:27.721
<v Speaker 2>Randal used classic coercive control moves. Then, Randal testified, approximately

0:23:27.801 --> 0:23:31.721
<v Speaker 2>nine months before the February sixteenth incident, that Charity quote

0:23:32.161 --> 0:23:33.961
<v Speaker 2>underwent a drastic transformation.

0:23:34.441 --> 0:23:36.721
<v Speaker 3>You were drinking a bottle of wine every day.

0:23:37.041 --> 0:23:42.321
<v Speaker 2>You were smoking marijuana heavily end quote. Randal testified that

0:23:42.401 --> 0:23:45.400
<v Speaker 2>Charity had stopped drinking and smoking pot, but he claimed

0:23:45.441 --> 0:23:46.681
<v Speaker 2>she continued to lie.

0:23:46.521 --> 0:23:48.001
<v Speaker 3>To him about various things.

0:23:48.561 --> 0:23:51.401
<v Speaker 2>Randal stated that Charity had started to glare at him

0:23:51.441 --> 0:23:54.360
<v Speaker 2>in a hateful way and that he truly began to

0:23:54.401 --> 0:23:58.521
<v Speaker 2>believe she hated him. Randal told the court he wanted

0:23:58.561 --> 0:24:02.641
<v Speaker 2>full custody because he claimed that Charity quote poisoned those children.

0:24:03.080 --> 0:24:06.161
<v Speaker 2>You abuse them in a sick manner. I'm not interested

0:24:06.201 --> 0:24:09.681
<v Speaker 2>in you seeing the children end quote. Randal stated the

0:24:09.761 --> 0:24:12.120
<v Speaker 2>kids were normal and happy and doing well in school.

0:24:13.041 --> 0:24:16.081
<v Speaker 2>He alleged that Charity had told them lies about what

0:24:16.201 --> 0:24:19.600
<v Speaker 2>Randal allegedly did to her. Now, he said, quote, I

0:24:19.641 --> 0:24:23.561
<v Speaker 2>have evidence that they are miserable, absolutely miserable. They live fearful,

0:24:23.681 --> 0:24:26.641
<v Speaker 2>miserable lives now, and that's your doing. One hundred percent

0:24:26.840 --> 0:24:32.201
<v Speaker 2>you're doing end quote. Randal claimed that Charity also lied

0:24:32.201 --> 0:24:35.641
<v Speaker 2>to the medical board about him taking heroin. He said

0:24:35.681 --> 0:24:38.041
<v Speaker 2>as a result of that, she had blown up his life.

0:24:38.401 --> 0:24:41.160
<v Speaker 2>He said he had seen psychiatrists to comply with the

0:24:41.201 --> 0:24:45.761
<v Speaker 2>mandatory court order counseling that he had taken medications, but

0:24:45.801 --> 0:24:48.281
<v Speaker 2>he stated that he was doing very well months down

0:24:48.281 --> 0:24:51.241
<v Speaker 2>the line. So I want to go back to what

0:24:51.361 --> 0:24:56.880
<v Speaker 2>precipitated this February sixteenth incident. Charity claimed in court that

0:24:57.041 --> 0:25:00.681
<v Speaker 2>on February eighth, Randal told Charity that he was leaving her,

0:25:01.041 --> 0:25:03.400
<v Speaker 2>that he wanted to find someone who loved him in

0:25:03.441 --> 0:25:06.121
<v Speaker 2>the way that he needed to be loved. Then, she

0:25:06.161 --> 0:25:09.400
<v Speaker 2>said she visited a divorce attorney, but Randall claimed that

0:25:09.481 --> 0:25:12.761
<v Speaker 2>after that that they reconciled. He said Charity said she

0:25:12.881 --> 0:25:14.921
<v Speaker 2>did love him, which is what he claimed he wanted

0:25:14.921 --> 0:25:17.881
<v Speaker 2>to hear. Randall said, for a little while he thought

0:25:17.881 --> 0:25:21.481
<v Speaker 2>everything would be okay, that maybe Charity didn't actually hate him,

0:25:22.201 --> 0:25:25.161
<v Speaker 2>But he said he now believed she had always hated him,

0:25:25.481 --> 0:25:27.641
<v Speaker 2>and that that's why, for example, he never met any

0:25:27.641 --> 0:25:30.521
<v Speaker 2>of your old friends. He believed she had been talking

0:25:30.601 --> 0:25:35.561
<v Speaker 2>bad about him to people for years. While Charity was

0:25:35.681 --> 0:25:38.920
<v Speaker 2>questioning Randal in front of the judge, Charity said that

0:25:39.001 --> 0:25:42.241
<v Speaker 2>it wasn't her intention to alienate him. She said, quote,

0:25:42.601 --> 0:25:45.841
<v Speaker 2>I truly believe you're capable of love. All you want

0:25:45.961 --> 0:25:50.481
<v Speaker 2>is control and money end quote. Then Randall's witnesses took

0:25:50.521 --> 0:25:53.840
<v Speaker 2>the stand. One of Randall's colleagues from Mercy said he

0:25:53.840 --> 0:25:56.880
<v Speaker 2>had worked with Randall for twelve years. He said he

0:25:56.961 --> 0:25:59.400
<v Speaker 2>also knew Randall on a personal level. He said in

0:25:59.441 --> 0:26:02.120
<v Speaker 2>all that time, Randall was professional and he saw zero

0:26:02.241 --> 0:26:06.641
<v Speaker 2>signs of anger. We learned that Randall is working again.

0:26:07.281 --> 0:26:11.160
<v Speaker 2>According to the divorce court transcripts, Randall testified on December

0:26:11.241 --> 0:26:14.201
<v Speaker 2>second that after he was hit with the felony charges

0:26:14.241 --> 0:26:17.841
<v Speaker 2>following the incident in February, Randall went on voluntary leave,

0:26:18.601 --> 0:26:22.041
<v Speaker 2>but once those charges were pleaded down to the single misdemeanor,

0:26:22.761 --> 0:26:25.241
<v Speaker 2>Randall requested that he'd be allowed to return to work,

0:26:26.080 --> 0:26:28.600
<v Speaker 2>which the hospital team and the board of managers voted

0:26:28.641 --> 0:26:32.360
<v Speaker 2>on and the legal team reviewed. After all that was done,

0:26:32.601 --> 0:26:35.721
<v Speaker 2>Randall was allowed to go back to work. He told

0:26:35.721 --> 0:26:38.761
<v Speaker 2>the judge on December second that he has been working

0:26:38.801 --> 0:26:43.681
<v Speaker 2>again as a doctor since late October. So Michael Pierre,

0:26:44.080 --> 0:26:46.721
<v Speaker 2>Randall's lawyer, brought up the book that she had written again.

0:26:47.721 --> 0:26:50.640
<v Speaker 2>In that book, in a chapter called Lies Always Haunt,

0:26:51.401 --> 0:26:54.521
<v Speaker 2>Charity wrote in the book she lied about Randall abusing

0:26:54.561 --> 0:26:57.961
<v Speaker 2>her and that luckily he had forgiven her. Now this

0:26:58.201 --> 0:27:02.481
<v Speaker 2>was back in twenty thirteen. Charity now claims in twenty

0:27:02.561 --> 0:27:04.880
<v Speaker 2>twenty five that what she wrote in the book was

0:27:04.921 --> 0:27:07.961
<v Speaker 2>a lie. She said she did that so that Randall

0:27:08.041 --> 0:27:12.161
<v Speaker 2>would pay the eighty thousand dollars in lawyer's fees. Charity

0:27:12.241 --> 0:27:16.521
<v Speaker 2>stated she believed Randall had dissipated all marital assets and

0:27:16.561 --> 0:27:19.360
<v Speaker 2>that Randall quote clearly wants to leave me with nothing

0:27:19.601 --> 0:27:24.880
<v Speaker 2>and he wants to take my kids end quote. Randall

0:27:24.961 --> 0:27:27.721
<v Speaker 2>and his attorney asked Charity, if Randal was so abusive,

0:27:27.921 --> 0:27:30.961
<v Speaker 2>why she would return to the marriage. They pointed to

0:27:31.001 --> 0:27:34.600
<v Speaker 2>text messages Charity sent after February sixteenth, in which she

0:27:34.641 --> 0:27:38.681
<v Speaker 2>begged him to come back as evidence. Charity stated Randal

0:27:38.840 --> 0:27:42.681
<v Speaker 2>used coerce of control on her, stating quote, that's also

0:27:42.801 --> 0:27:45.121
<v Speaker 2>a very common tame with not to poke the bear.

0:27:45.521 --> 0:27:49.481
<v Speaker 2>But with this personality, this control in every way, financial control,

0:27:49.561 --> 0:27:52.521
<v Speaker 2>coercive control, when to go to bed, control when to eat,

0:27:52.561 --> 0:27:55.321
<v Speaker 2>control who you can talk to, the friends you can have.

0:27:56.041 --> 0:27:58.241
<v Speaker 2>But I found peace even in that until I saw

0:27:58.281 --> 0:28:01.201
<v Speaker 2>that leaking into my children and they started walking on

0:28:01.241 --> 0:28:04.120
<v Speaker 2>eggshells all the time, and you can see his rage

0:28:04.161 --> 0:28:08.921
<v Speaker 2>coming end quote. The judge finally ruled on this divorce.

0:28:09.401 --> 0:28:12.801
<v Speaker 2>She stated the marital home would be split, the home

0:28:12.840 --> 0:28:16.361
<v Speaker 2>equity line of credit paid off, and then after that

0:28:16.921 --> 0:28:20.321
<v Speaker 2>the home would be auctioned off within sixty days. Randal

0:28:20.321 --> 0:28:31.400
<v Speaker 2>and Charity would split the proceeds of the sale.

0:28:36.361 --> 0:28:37.241
<v Speaker 3>The judge then.

0:28:37.121 --> 0:28:40.681
<v Speaker 2>Addressed the credibility of Charity and Randall. She stated she

0:28:40.801 --> 0:28:44.961
<v Speaker 2>found Randall more credible. She said, quote, the court finds

0:28:45.001 --> 0:28:48.561
<v Speaker 2>that the plainiff has some credibility issues. This is primarily

0:28:48.601 --> 0:28:52.201
<v Speaker 2>based on the investigator's testimony regarding the Hamilton House interviews,

0:28:52.681 --> 0:28:55.841
<v Speaker 2>meaning the interviews with the children that Randall's witnesses had

0:28:55.881 --> 0:29:00.281
<v Speaker 2>claimed seemed coached. The judge ruled Charity and Randall would

0:29:00.281 --> 0:29:04.881
<v Speaker 2>each receive their personal vehicles. The judge ended by saying, quote,

0:29:05.041 --> 0:29:07.921
<v Speaker 2>this court has some very serious concerns with both of you.

0:29:08.481 --> 0:29:10.841
<v Speaker 2>There has been a lot of history, I believe, based

0:29:10.881 --> 0:29:13.681
<v Speaker 2>on the evidence presented to me, of domestic violence. The

0:29:13.681 --> 0:29:16.721
<v Speaker 2>plaintiff has pulled a gun on the defendant. The defendant

0:29:16.761 --> 0:29:20.081
<v Speaker 2>has pled to recklessly endangering the planiff in a misdemeanor

0:29:20.081 --> 0:29:23.241
<v Speaker 2>domestic battery, and the court has to consider as one

0:29:23.241 --> 0:29:26.761
<v Speaker 2>of the factors in determining custody whether or not domestic

0:29:26.841 --> 0:29:29.361
<v Speaker 2>violence is in the home, and I have not heard

0:29:29.401 --> 0:29:32.521
<v Speaker 2>any testimony fortunately of domestic violence as it relates to

0:29:32.521 --> 0:29:35.961
<v Speaker 2>the children, or found any to be credible, and I'm

0:29:36.001 --> 0:29:40.081
<v Speaker 2>not including the children on the order of protection end quote.

0:29:40.241 --> 0:29:43.521
<v Speaker 2>The judge ruled Randall and Charity would have joint custody

0:29:43.521 --> 0:29:46.241
<v Speaker 2>of the children. Randall would have them for two weeks

0:29:46.281 --> 0:29:49.241
<v Speaker 2>at a time, followed by Charity for one week. After

0:29:49.321 --> 0:29:53.241
<v Speaker 2>six months, the situation would be reevaluated. The schedule was

0:29:53.321 --> 0:29:57.081
<v Speaker 2>due to start on December fifth, two days after Charity

0:29:57.201 --> 0:30:03.601
<v Speaker 2>and the twins' bodies were found. The judge stated that

0:30:03.641 --> 0:30:07.921
<v Speaker 2>she was quote concerned about the plaintiffs manipulation and control

0:30:08.041 --> 0:30:10.521
<v Speaker 2>and any future harm to the children end quote.

0:30:10.921 --> 0:30:11.961
<v Speaker 3>She meant Charity.

0:30:12.761 --> 0:30:16.521
<v Speaker 2>The judge wrote that Randall quote has been compliant with treatment.

0:30:16.561 --> 0:30:20.081
<v Speaker 2>He has presented evidence of stability and safety. His risk

0:30:20.121 --> 0:30:23.721
<v Speaker 2>to others is low. He does not demonstrate antisocial or

0:30:23.841 --> 0:30:27.801
<v Speaker 2>narcissistic personality traits that could potentially compromise his judgment or

0:30:27.841 --> 0:30:31.201
<v Speaker 2>put others at risk. He does not have mania, psychosis,

0:30:31.241 --> 0:30:35.321
<v Speaker 2>problems with impulse control or substance use. Neither party shall

0:30:35.361 --> 0:30:38.641
<v Speaker 2>discuss the case or adult issues with the minor children

0:30:39.081 --> 0:30:43.081
<v Speaker 2>outside of a therapeutic setting. Absentth the advice of the

0:30:43.121 --> 0:30:47.641
<v Speaker 2>minor children counselor, Charity had pulled the children out of

0:30:47.641 --> 0:30:51.041
<v Speaker 2>school and been homeschooling them. The judge ruled the children

0:30:51.161 --> 0:30:54.801
<v Speaker 2>be re enrolled in school, and if Charity and Randall disagreed,

0:30:54.921 --> 0:30:57.401
<v Speaker 2>the judge ruled to give Randall final say over their

0:30:57.481 --> 0:31:03.121
<v Speaker 2>educational decision making. The judge ordered child support in the

0:31:03.161 --> 0:31:05.921
<v Speaker 2>amount of two thousand, six hundred and twenty eight dollars

0:31:06.001 --> 0:31:09.321
<v Speaker 2>a month, which Randal was supposed to start paying immediately.

0:31:10.441 --> 0:31:12.481
<v Speaker 2>One question that has come up a lot in this

0:31:12.561 --> 0:31:16.561
<v Speaker 2>confusing and pretty chaotic case is were Charity and Randall

0:31:16.641 --> 0:31:19.961
<v Speaker 2>actually divorced at the time of the murders. From what

0:31:20.081 --> 0:31:23.521
<v Speaker 2>the judge stated in the transcripts, she decided the conditions

0:31:23.521 --> 0:31:27.201
<v Speaker 2>of the divorce on December second. According to my understanding,

0:31:27.441 --> 0:31:31.321
<v Speaker 2>under normal circumstances, the divorce would have been finalized a

0:31:31.361 --> 0:31:34.281
<v Speaker 2>day or two later once it was officially entered into

0:31:34.281 --> 0:31:37.601
<v Speaker 2>the court record. But then Charity's son, John filed a

0:31:37.641 --> 0:31:40.641
<v Speaker 2>motion to get her half of the marital state. He

0:31:40.801 --> 0:31:43.601
<v Speaker 2>stated in his court filing he does not believe Charity

0:31:43.601 --> 0:31:47.161
<v Speaker 2>Lie left a valid last will and testament. He believes

0:31:47.201 --> 0:31:50.481
<v Speaker 2>that because the children she had with Randall are also dead,

0:31:50.801 --> 0:31:54.321
<v Speaker 2>according to the laws of the state of Arkansas, John

0:31:54.401 --> 0:31:57.401
<v Speaker 2>Powell thinks he should be entitled to inherit the estate

0:31:57.401 --> 0:32:01.201
<v Speaker 2>of his mother. John stated in his petition the value

0:32:01.201 --> 0:32:04.241
<v Speaker 2>of the estate was unknown. There have been a lot

0:32:04.281 --> 0:32:07.361
<v Speaker 2>of strange developments in this case, even over the last week.

0:32:08.041 --> 0:32:11.041
<v Speaker 2>As we said last week in Part one, the divorce

0:32:11.121 --> 0:32:15.561
<v Speaker 2>was declared final on December second, but then on December fourth,

0:32:15.681 --> 0:32:19.681
<v Speaker 2>one day after the bodies were found, Randal Biallis's attorney

0:32:19.721 --> 0:32:22.681
<v Speaker 2>followed emotion arguing the divorce should be dismissed because it

0:32:22.761 --> 0:32:26.681
<v Speaker 2>wasn't technically finalized. On December eighth, the judge ruled the

0:32:26.721 --> 0:32:30.161
<v Speaker 2>marriage of Charity and Randall would instead be abated, meaning

0:32:30.241 --> 0:32:33.200
<v Speaker 2>put on pause. Legally, normally, this is something that can

0:32:33.241 --> 0:32:35.641
<v Speaker 2>be used as a tool if couples want to try

0:32:35.681 --> 0:32:37.881
<v Speaker 2>to reconcile or if there are legal issues that need

0:32:37.921 --> 0:32:38.521
<v Speaker 2>to be resolved.

0:32:39.121 --> 0:32:42.041
<v Speaker 3>But if the spouse dies before the final.

0:32:41.761 --> 0:32:45.561
<v Speaker 2>Degree is issued, there's something called abatement by death. It

0:32:45.681 --> 0:32:48.401
<v Speaker 2>means that the divorce action ends and the couple remains

0:32:48.481 --> 0:32:51.201
<v Speaker 2>legally married while the estate claims are being worked out.

0:32:52.001 --> 0:32:55.401
<v Speaker 2>So it's unclear what the legal status is now whether

0:32:55.521 --> 0:32:57.961
<v Speaker 2>Charity and the children's bodies will be released to John

0:32:58.121 --> 0:33:01.241
<v Speaker 2>her Son or Randall, her husband after the crime lab

0:33:01.321 --> 0:33:05.241
<v Speaker 2>is done with its testing. John Powell has also asked

0:33:05.241 --> 0:33:08.441
<v Speaker 2>the court to order when the crime lab is finished,

0:33:08.801 --> 0:33:11.321
<v Speaker 2>that the body of Charity be released to John Powell.

0:33:12.001 --> 0:33:15.361
<v Speaker 2>He also asked in the court order that the bodies

0:33:15.361 --> 0:33:17.441
<v Speaker 2>of his two half siblings be released to his care

0:33:17.481 --> 0:33:20.521
<v Speaker 2>as well. He says that he wants to make funeral

0:33:20.601 --> 0:33:23.401
<v Speaker 2>arrangements for his mother and half brother and half sisters

0:33:23.441 --> 0:33:27.161
<v Speaker 2>so that they can receive a proper burial. Again, a

0:33:27.201 --> 0:33:29.921
<v Speaker 2>lot of news stories have pointed to Randal by Allis

0:33:29.961 --> 0:33:33.481
<v Speaker 2>as the possible killer. But another thing that's very confusing

0:33:33.521 --> 0:33:36.641
<v Speaker 2>to me after reading these divorce documents is if Randall

0:33:36.761 --> 0:33:40.041
<v Speaker 2>did kill Charity and the kids, what was his motive.

0:33:40.681 --> 0:33:43.921
<v Speaker 3>Because we now know that the judge ordered.

0:33:43.801 --> 0:33:46.401
<v Speaker 2>That Randall have more custody of his kids, that the

0:33:46.441 --> 0:33:49.521
<v Speaker 2>divorce stated that Charity would go from having sole custody

0:33:49.561 --> 0:33:52.961
<v Speaker 2>to joint custody. In fact, Randall was going to have

0:33:53.001 --> 0:33:56.721
<v Speaker 2>the kids the majority of the time. Randall's attorney, Michael Pearce,

0:33:56.801 --> 0:33:59.841
<v Speaker 2>has told multiple media outlets. Randal was actually going to

0:33:59.881 --> 0:34:02.641
<v Speaker 2>be able to see his children more going forward. He

0:34:02.801 --> 0:34:05.001
<v Speaker 2>was actually due to pick them up shortly after the

0:34:05.041 --> 0:34:08.520
<v Speaker 2>divorce was finalized. Is there someone else that would have

0:34:08.520 --> 0:34:11.600
<v Speaker 2>had a reason to hurt Charity? Could this have been

0:34:11.641 --> 0:34:15.281
<v Speaker 2>some sort of murder suicide situation. Could she have felt,

0:34:15.321 --> 0:34:18.201
<v Speaker 2>possibly that Randall was a monster and that if her

0:34:18.321 --> 0:34:20.601
<v Speaker 2>children went back to him they would be in danger.

0:34:21.601 --> 0:34:23.680
<v Speaker 2>Could she have irrationally believed.

0:34:23.321 --> 0:34:24.800
<v Speaker 3>She was protecting them?

0:34:25.161 --> 0:34:28.120
<v Speaker 2>Again, we have to wait for information to come out

0:34:28.281 --> 0:34:31.321
<v Speaker 2>via law enforcement, because while we can track down a

0:34:31.321 --> 0:34:34.440
<v Speaker 2>lot of information through court documents and social media commentary,

0:34:35.121 --> 0:34:37.281
<v Speaker 2>there is still a lot that we don't know about

0:34:37.281 --> 0:34:40.281
<v Speaker 2>forensics and that we don't know about these killings. But

0:34:40.361 --> 0:34:45.761
<v Speaker 2>we will keep you posted as more information develops. Investigators

0:34:45.761 --> 0:34:49.481
<v Speaker 2>have not announced any suspects and have not arrested anyone

0:34:49.520 --> 0:34:52.561
<v Speaker 2>in connection with this case. They haven't even officially stated

0:34:52.601 --> 0:34:57.641
<v Speaker 2>this was a homicide once again. Randal Billis's attorney, Michael Pierce,

0:34:58.041 --> 0:35:01.001
<v Speaker 2>has repeatedly stated Randall had nothing to do with Charity

0:35:01.001 --> 0:35:04.361
<v Speaker 2>in the children's death, that Randal was devastated that he

0:35:04.440 --> 0:35:07.361
<v Speaker 2>expected to be taking custody of his children, and he's

0:35:07.440 --> 0:35:12.881
<v Speaker 2>now faced with the reality of planning their funerals. Charity's

0:35:12.960 --> 0:35:15.401
<v Speaker 2>social media posts and the months before her death were

0:35:15.401 --> 0:35:20.721
<v Speaker 2>getting increasingly desperate, she posted on the news website KFSM five.

0:35:20.641 --> 0:35:22.121
<v Speaker 3>News Facebook page. In August.

0:35:22.761 --> 0:35:25.281
<v Speaker 2>She claims she had written a letter to Sebastian County

0:35:25.321 --> 0:35:29.241
<v Speaker 2>prosecuting attorney Daniel Schue. She said Daniel would not accept

0:35:29.241 --> 0:35:32.401
<v Speaker 2>a letter from her regarding alleged domestic violence by Randall.

0:35:33.561 --> 0:35:35.520
<v Speaker 3>The judge, Shannon Blatt.

0:35:35.161 --> 0:35:38.561
<v Speaker 2>Who granted the divorce, finalized the hearing by saying, quote,

0:35:39.161 --> 0:35:41.521
<v Speaker 2>I have a little sticky note that says, don't dislike

0:35:41.561 --> 0:35:44.761
<v Speaker 2>each other more than you love your children. And your

0:35:44.881 --> 0:35:47.200
<v Speaker 2>children deserve love, and they deserve that from.

0:35:47.121 --> 0:35:47.561
<v Speaker 3>Both of you.

0:35:48.161 --> 0:35:50.480
<v Speaker 2>I expect you to put your children first and make

0:35:50.521 --> 0:35:53.161
<v Speaker 2>them your priority and make sure they are raised in

0:35:53.161 --> 0:35:55.401
<v Speaker 2>a happy, healthy and loving environment.

0:35:55.801 --> 0:35:57.200
<v Speaker 3>End quote.

0:35:57.241 --> 0:35:59.440
<v Speaker 2>We said, this case continues to have a lot of

0:35:59.440 --> 0:36:03.241
<v Speaker 2>twists and turns. Even the judge, Shannon Blatt, has been

0:36:03.241 --> 0:36:07.281
<v Speaker 2>the target of alleged threats. On December twelfth, twenty twenty five,

0:36:07.721 --> 0:36:11.120
<v Speaker 2>forty twenty nine News reported that Shannon Blatt, the judge

0:36:11.121 --> 0:36:14.601
<v Speaker 2>who ruled on the divorce, told police that Charity's father

0:36:14.921 --> 0:36:18.761
<v Speaker 2>Randy Powell called her on the day Charity and her

0:36:18.841 --> 0:36:22.281
<v Speaker 2>children were found dead at their home. She said Randy

0:36:22.440 --> 0:36:25.440
<v Speaker 2>was in a rage. Judge Blatt wrote a letter to

0:36:25.481 --> 0:36:29.480
<v Speaker 2>both attorneys Charity's and Randall's, discussing the phone calls she

0:36:29.521 --> 0:36:32.641
<v Speaker 2>received on December third. In that letter, which was dated

0:36:32.641 --> 0:36:37.161
<v Speaker 2>December eleventh, she wrote that Randy Powell, Charity's father, accused

0:36:37.241 --> 0:36:38.601
<v Speaker 2>her the judge.

0:36:38.201 --> 0:36:39.801
<v Speaker 3>Of being responsible for Charity's death.

0:36:40.561 --> 0:36:43.480
<v Speaker 2>The letters stated that quote specifically, mister Powell stated the

0:36:43.561 --> 0:36:46.241
<v Speaker 2>judge might as well have pulled the trigger herself, and

0:36:46.440 --> 0:36:51.121
<v Speaker 2>that the judge essentially killed his daughter and grandchildren. Randy

0:36:51.201 --> 0:36:54.040
<v Speaker 2>also stated the court has blood on her hands and

0:36:54.081 --> 0:36:56.241
<v Speaker 2>asked if the court was still going to keep him

0:36:56.281 --> 0:37:00.721
<v Speaker 2>from his grandchildren end quote. The judge was so disturbed

0:37:00.761 --> 0:37:03.520
<v Speaker 2>by this call that, according to court records, someone at

0:37:03.521 --> 0:37:06.121
<v Speaker 2>the court reported the call to the Fort Smith Police Department,

0:37:06.681 --> 0:37:09.961
<v Speaker 2>and they apparently took this seriously because the police chief,

0:37:09.960 --> 0:37:13.041
<v Speaker 2>according to news reports that cite the police department call logs,

0:37:13.561 --> 0:37:15.881
<v Speaker 2>ordered extra security for Judge Powell.

0:37:18.841 --> 0:37:21.801
<v Speaker 3>Forty twenty nine. Knews spoke to Judge Powell about her reaction.

0:37:22.601 --> 0:37:25.641
<v Speaker 2>What did she think when she heard about what happened

0:37:25.801 --> 0:37:29.761
<v Speaker 2>inside that home. The judge told the news station. Quote,

0:37:30.161 --> 0:37:34.681
<v Speaker 2>I don't know how to describe it, Sir tears, heart broken, unbelievable,

0:37:34.721 --> 0:37:38.040
<v Speaker 2>and anger thinking maybe I was dreaming of somebody having

0:37:38.081 --> 0:37:41.081
<v Speaker 2>a nightmare in that way. Maybe somebody will wake me

0:37:41.201 --> 0:37:46.161
<v Speaker 2>up and this wouldn't be true. End quote. I'm Katherine Townsend.

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