WEBVTT - Surveillance Special: Saving America’s Growth Engine

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<v Speaker 1>It's the American dream. Entrepreneurs across the country starting their

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<v Speaker 1>own business. It's the biggest job creation vehicles the nation

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<v Speaker 1>has ever seen. Small businesses are credited for two thirds

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<v Speaker 1>of all US jobs over the past decade. These companies

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<v Speaker 1>came into the year with a head full of steam.

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<v Speaker 1>Then the coronavirus hit and the momentum just stopped. A

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<v Speaker 1>full forty of small businesses do not think they're going

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<v Speaker 1>to survive. They're just a lot of smaller businesses that

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<v Speaker 1>will struggle to make it through this winter. It's all

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<v Speaker 1>local small businesses, that's who is bearing the brunt of this.

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<v Speaker 1>We just don't know how long we might be able

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<v Speaker 1>to stay afloat. Everybody's going to be out of work,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm just going to be deeper in debt. It's

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<v Speaker 1>been very, very bad for a family for you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the government programs were designed to bail out the big boys,

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<v Speaker 1>but they left Main Street on. Since the start of

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<v Speaker 1>the pandemic, we spoke to more than a hundred business

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<v Speaker 1>owners across the country. Many shut their doors, some survived,

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<v Speaker 1>some adapted, and some suffered personal tragedies while trying to

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<v Speaker 1>keep their business afloat. This is their story. Thanks for

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<v Speaker 1>joining us on this Bloomberg Radio special report examining the

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<v Speaker 1>pandemics outsized impact on small business Si bassk and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>John Tucker. It's been nine months since lockdowns hit much

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<v Speaker 1>of the country and doors have reopened at a number

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<v Speaker 1>of storefronts, but still two out of every five small

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<v Speaker 1>businesses tell Goldman Sachs they're not sure if they all survive,

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<v Speaker 1>and ten million people remain unemployed. We spoke to business

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<v Speaker 1>owners across the country about their troubles, and there have

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<v Speaker 1>been many, but perhaps the worst of those struggles is

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<v Speaker 1>the personal tragedies that were endured. David Carberry runs a

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<v Speaker 1>digital marketing firm headquartered in Baltimore. When the pandemic hit,

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<v Speaker 1>his sales were nearly cut in half, and then his

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<v Speaker 1>father caught COVID while going to the hospital for a

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<v Speaker 1>simple procedure. It was in April. My dad had just

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<v Speaker 1>had surgery in March and we had to put him

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<v Speaker 1>into a unit just for physical therapy. Um he had

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<v Speaker 1>god about a replacement and with them we weren't allowed

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<v Speaker 1>to see him, and the facility caught COVID and he

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<v Speaker 1>did They They took him to the hospital and he

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<v Speaker 1>was on Evan for a couple of weeks. Unfortunately lost

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<v Speaker 1>him like in the beginning of May, so it was

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<v Speaker 1>pretty traumatic for us. Then there's literally Pacheco's whose translation

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<v Speaker 1>business also suffered from the onset of the pandemic shortly

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<v Speaker 1>after her father fell ill and she couldn't be there.

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<v Speaker 1>On April sixteen, My dad was really really sick. Um

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<v Speaker 1>he can hardly briefe we Um called the ambulance. He

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<v Speaker 1>didn't make it. He didn't make it. He already had

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<v Speaker 1>passed on the couch. Um. So I witnessed all of

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<v Speaker 1>this on the video. Normally I would have been there

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<v Speaker 1>in person, right and you know, were stuck in quarantine,

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<v Speaker 1>and all I was able to do was just watch

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<v Speaker 1>from from the video. So it was really hard. And

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<v Speaker 1>so many cities across the country, there are hundreds of

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<v Speaker 1>stories just like David's and Lilies. In their cases, personal

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<v Speaker 1>tragedy coincided with business trouble, but more often we've seen

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<v Speaker 1>the business trouble turn into a different kind of tragedy,

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<v Speaker 1>employers having to shut the doors, laying off friends and family.

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<v Speaker 1>For John's Grill in San Francisco, this year was the

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<v Speaker 1>worst in the restaurant's one twelve year history, open since

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen o eight, owner John Constant is the latest in

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<v Speaker 1>our long line of constants to run the business. We

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<v Speaker 1>spoke to him back in March. This is my first

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<v Speaker 1>experience with something that's catastrophic. It's been very very sad

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<v Speaker 1>for our family, for our staff specifically, so I had

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<v Speaker 1>to get the staff together and have that very very

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<v Speaker 1>tough conversation with them because most of most of our

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<v Speaker 1>staff has worked with us for five years, ten years,

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen years, thirty years, so we have a long ten

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<v Speaker 1>years staff. It was the saddest day of my professional career.

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<v Speaker 1>I think we're all pretty much a family in there.

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<v Speaker 1>Most of these guys have seen me grow up as

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<v Speaker 1>a kid, you know, and so it was it was

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<v Speaker 1>a really tough tough time. We've got our staff on

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<v Speaker 1>medical insurance until the end of April, and we will

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<v Speaker 1>probably be one of the first restaurants open our doors

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<v Speaker 1>for patrons once COVID nineteen is over. John's Grill did

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<v Speaker 1>reopen and added seating outdoors, but just this month it

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<v Speaker 1>was forced to close again. And underrepresented communities have shown

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<v Speaker 1>to be some of the hardest hit in this pandemic,

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<v Speaker 1>so our businesses that are black owned and women owned.

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<v Speaker 1>The Bank Street Bookstore in Manhattan was founded and run

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<v Speaker 1>by women, and after forty years, one of the last

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<v Speaker 1>sellers of children's books in New York City is closing.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, we've been a corner stone of the neighborhood

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<v Speaker 1>since we've been here for a most fifty years. We

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<v Speaker 1>have folks coming in who remember coming when they were

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<v Speaker 1>a kid and now are bringing their children, or people

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<v Speaker 1>who live in the neighborhood who just had kids and

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<v Speaker 1>are really sad that they won't be able to have

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<v Speaker 1>their children grow up here. At the start of the pandemic,

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<v Speaker 1>there was a big government push to rescue small business

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<v Speaker 1>from financial ruin. Billions of dollars were made available through

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<v Speaker 1>the Paycheck Protection Program, but firms that borrowed largely ran

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<v Speaker 1>out of money by October. Margaret and Nadu works at

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<v Speaker 1>Goldman Sachs. Her job is investing in underserved communities. She

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<v Speaker 1>says more than forty percent of business owners had to

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<v Speaker 1>layoff staff or cut jobs by November, and many said

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<v Speaker 1>they wouldn't make it through the year. And it goes

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<v Speaker 1>beyond the business owners. There's also fifty two percent of

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<v Speaker 1>these small businesses that have foregone pay themselves, right, And

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<v Speaker 1>it's not it's not like we can isolate small businesses

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<v Speaker 1>like there's some aspect of the economy that's off to

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<v Speaker 1>the side. When you have small business owners who aren't

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<v Speaker 1>paying themselves, that struggled with your mortgage, that's a struggle

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<v Speaker 1>with your rent, that's a struggle with how you pay

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<v Speaker 1>for your health care, and so that impact on the economy.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not a it's not a future issue. That's where

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<v Speaker 1>we are now. And the real concern here is if

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<v Speaker 1>that impact becomes permanent. Scott Minored at Googenheim Investments thinks

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<v Speaker 1>it will be the p p P, which was a

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<v Speaker 1>great program as an emergency stock gap. You know, of

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<v Speaker 1>course it's gone, so you know we're going to start

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<v Speaker 1>seeing layoffs here. And structurally, more than half of the

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<v Speaker 1>Americans are employed by small to medium sized business um.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of those businesses are never coming back. Some

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<v Speaker 1>won't make it out of the pandemic, but many will

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<v Speaker 1>thanks to quick aid from the government. Back in March,

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<v Speaker 1>the Paycheck Protection Program gave more than five billion companies

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<v Speaker 1>a lifeline in the form of half a trillion dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>In that cash helped Aaron Anchor's granola company in northern

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<v Speaker 1>Maine get back on its feet after the early days

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<v Speaker 1>of the pandemic. You know, you had to work with

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<v Speaker 1>your local bank on that or your bank, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>whatever bank used, and our local bank was phenomenal, so

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<v Speaker 1>we just decided to go with what we knew. We

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<v Speaker 1>furloughed about sixteen people and as of now, we've brought

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<v Speaker 1>almost all of them back. Anybody that we could we've

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<v Speaker 1>brought back. So it was very exciting and the PPP

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<v Speaker 1>was very helpful that At the same time, small business

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<v Speaker 1>owners say, p p P was also plagued by several hurdles.

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<v Speaker 1>Some smaller firms found it difficult to even get a loan.

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<v Speaker 1>We spoke with Brad Close, the president of the National

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<v Speaker 1>Federation of Independent Business. You know, we saw a very,

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<v Speaker 1>very poor rollout back in April um. The big banks

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<v Speaker 1>mostly sent those loans to longtime customers, much larger businesses

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<v Speaker 1>than a typical small business. You know, our average members

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<v Speaker 1>five to ten employees. That's very common for small businesses.

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<v Speaker 1>We are talking true small businesses, the one you find

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<v Speaker 1>in communities all across America. They struggled to get the

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<v Speaker 1>banks to pay attention to them. That frustration was rampant.

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<v Speaker 1>In the early days of the program. Jim Smith applied

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<v Speaker 1>for a p p P loan to help his advertising

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<v Speaker 1>company in Irvington, New York. We did apply, and I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's been well documented how frustrating and difficult that

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<v Speaker 1>experience has been. You know, the bank that we were

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<v Speaker 1>using was really prioritizing their private clients and basically telling

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<v Speaker 1>their relationship managers not to help to facilitate the loan

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<v Speaker 1>process for their smaller clients that don't have a minimum

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<v Speaker 1>of ten million dollars in active business. So we'll see

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<v Speaker 1>what happens. I know, everyone I know is really anxious

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<v Speaker 1>about what's going to happen now with the next round.

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<v Speaker 1>But let's just say that nobody really has any confidence

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<v Speaker 1>when it comes to p p P loans. More than

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<v Speaker 1>twenty five per cent of the money went to just

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<v Speaker 1>one percent of the borrowers. Those are mostly large firms

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<v Speaker 1>seeking loans north of a million dollars. Lots of people

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<v Speaker 1>we spoke to had a tough time accessing the program.

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<v Speaker 1>Small business owners like Frank Knapp described a wide range

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<v Speaker 1>of hurdles. Franco owns a firm in South Carolina and

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<v Speaker 1>also heads up the Chamber of Commerce in the City

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<v Speaker 1>of Columbia. So there's no doubt about it that that

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<v Speaker 1>P p P loans were important. But you know, only

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<v Speaker 1>six all the small businesses in this country received a

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<v Speaker 1>p p P loan out of the thirty million small businesses. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a poultry amount. The people who were left out,

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<v Speaker 1>the small business owners who were left out were sole proprietors, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>they were micro businesses and a lot of those public

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<v Speaker 1>the majority were people of color and women. They just

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<v Speaker 1>didn't have the banking relationships to get a loan approved,

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<v Speaker 1>or they didn't have the resources to go ahead and

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<v Speaker 1>fill out the application appropriately, or maybe didn't even have

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<v Speaker 1>the forms from the I R S to do it.

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<v Speaker 1>So we've got major issues here. It's true that black

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<v Speaker 1>owned firms have been disproportionately hit, and so have Latino

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<v Speaker 1>owned firms. Westmore, CEO of the Robin Hood Foundation, has

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<v Speaker 1>been working with corporations and donors to support those businesses.

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<v Speaker 1>It is a massive problem, and frankly, it was something

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<v Speaker 1>that we have been calling out for a while. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And we even saw it when when the proposed Cares Act,

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<v Speaker 1>the initial Cares Act was being pulled together because people

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<v Speaker 1>will say, well, there was a cash assistance element to

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<v Speaker 1>the Cares Act. That's true. However, the cash assistant elements

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<v Speaker 1>of the Cares Act left out millions of people, and

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<v Speaker 1>it left them out intention So, for example, if you

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<v Speaker 1>were undocumented, there was no cash assistance element to the

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<v Speaker 1>Cares Act for you. If you were part of a

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<v Speaker 1>mixed status household, there was no cash assistance for you.

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<v Speaker 1>If you were a student, even if you were working,

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<v Speaker 1>there was no cash assistance element. If you were working

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<v Speaker 1>but not making enough money to hit the income tax

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<v Speaker 1>filing threshold, there was no cash assistance left for you,

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<v Speaker 1>and even those that did receive assistance ran into issues.

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<v Speaker 1>Bloomberg reporters Sally Bakewell spoke to dozens of business owners

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<v Speaker 1>describing red tape that was both timely and costly. The

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<v Speaker 1>business landscape in America is littered with stories like these.

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<v Speaker 1>I spoke to the owner of a Vinyl records store

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<v Speaker 1>in Columbia, South Carolina, and he had got a twenty

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<v Speaker 1>seven thousand p p P loan, but he still had

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<v Speaker 1>to dock his own salary to keep going. Um Or

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<v Speaker 1>there was the owner of a all female boxing gym

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<v Speaker 1>in North Attleborough, Massachusetts. She had her PP application handed

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<v Speaker 1>straight back to her on the same day that she

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<v Speaker 1>applied by the bank because they thought there was too

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<v Speaker 1>much red tape UM and so she had to use

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<v Speaker 1>her stimulus check to keep her business going. Um I

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<v Speaker 1>then spoke to a business owner in Colorado and she

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<v Speaker 1>was setting up a sustainable goods business UM and because

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<v Speaker 1>of COVID, she lost her one contract because it was

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<v Speaker 1>with a school who wanted to buy some of her

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<v Speaker 1>sustainable trades for their cafeterias cafeterias, so she led for

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<v Speaker 1>P p P and she applied for another type of

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<v Speaker 1>emergency assistance loan. She had both of her applications rejected UM.

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<v Speaker 1>She told me that one of them at one point

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<v Speaker 1>they told her they had lost her application UM and

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<v Speaker 1>that she needed to submit her financial details again and

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<v Speaker 1>then when she went through all of that, there was

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<v Speaker 1>no money left anyway. She was told there are stories

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<v Speaker 1>like that everywhere. You know. They did, they did the

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<v Speaker 1>right thing, They did what they could, they couldn't get

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<v Speaker 1>the money, or they got the money, they still couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>catch a break. Bank Street Bookstore in New York City

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<v Speaker 1>was one of the many small businesses unable to access

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<v Speaker 1>government aid. Caitlin Morrissey owns the fifty year old bookstore,

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<v Speaker 1>which started out in the lobby of Bank Street College.

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<v Speaker 1>Since we are attached to an educational institution, some of

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<v Speaker 1>the relief that would have been available if we were

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<v Speaker 1>a stand alone small business, unfortunately, it just wasn't available

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<v Speaker 1>to us. So while we've operated fairly independently, we are

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<v Speaker 1>under umbrella, so it affected what kinds of aid we

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<v Speaker 1>were applicable to that The troubles spanned the country and industries.

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<v Speaker 1>Alex Cuton ran a travel agency in Indiana and described

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<v Speaker 1>similar roadblocks accompanied by a few answers. As a small

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<v Speaker 1>business owner. You know, we're the last to get paid club.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, we pay our rent, we pay our employees,

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<v Speaker 1>we pay you know, everything that we owe and then

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<v Speaker 1>if there's anything left at the end of the year,

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<v Speaker 1>we get paid. And this year I don't look to

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<v Speaker 1>be making any money. Now, have you applied for aid? Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>during the time that the Cares Act ten thousand dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>You know that we were led to believe that we

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<v Speaker 1>would receive we applied for that immediately. Did I get it? No?

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<v Speaker 1>And then the p P. P Whenever that program was

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<v Speaker 1>announced and it came out, I applied immediately for that

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<v Speaker 1>and did I get it? No restrictions tied to COVID

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen have a small businesses across the country. Those that

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<v Speaker 1>managed to stay afloat survived by tapping into government aid

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<v Speaker 1>or by pivoting finding creative ways to survive or even

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<v Speaker 1>thrive in the face of the pandemic. John Pepper is

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<v Speaker 1>one of those small business owners. He runs a chain

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<v Speaker 1>of eight modern Mexican restaurants in the Boston area, which

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<v Speaker 1>he transformed to adapt to the outbreak. The Financial district

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<v Speaker 1>of Boston became a ghost town almost immediately. We closed

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<v Speaker 1>those four restaurants on the eighteenth of March. A week later,

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<v Speaker 1>I put out a video essentially two days before I

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<v Speaker 1>thought we had to close. The rest of everything staying.

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<v Speaker 1>Instead of letting everybody know we had closed, I felt

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<v Speaker 1>maybe I should let people know most likely we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to close, because I didn't see any avenue to stay open.

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<v Speaker 1>Turned out that that video caused a outcry of support.

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<v Speaker 1>We raised over sixty dollars. We basically pimoted into a

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<v Speaker 1>nonprofit model. For the last four weeks, we created this

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<v Speaker 1>feed the front line, which now very ubiquitous term. But

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<v Speaker 1>we ended up just keep the restaurants open to feed

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<v Speaker 1>hospital workers throughout Boston and throughout New England. That's how

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<v Speaker 1>we kept it going. Kim Strassner's business in Baltimore also

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<v Speaker 1>disappeared overnight. She made personalized cutting boards that were popular

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<v Speaker 1>as party favors. No parties meant no business. So what

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<v Speaker 1>we did is we pivoted. We've joined up with two

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<v Speaker 1>other local Baltimore companies and master seamstress Jill Andrews and

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<v Speaker 1>Dan Jansen with Imperium Shaving, and we are making cotton masks,

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<v Speaker 1>so we're using our laser engraver to cut the fabric.

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<v Speaker 1>Jilly Andrews, she designed the pattern and that business is

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<v Speaker 1>doing really well as you can expect. What is the

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<v Speaker 1>difference in revenue from the traditional business to what you've

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<v Speaker 1>pivoted to now, is that enough to sustain the business?

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<v Speaker 1>You know, my husband locked his job, so we're you know,

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<v Speaker 1>definitely as a household are income you know is down,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know we're trying to pay our employees at

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<v Speaker 1>fair price and sell the masks for a fair price.

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<v Speaker 1>We're not gonna get rich off of this. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's just we saw it need. It's not something you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to get rich off of. Kimi Strassner and

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<v Speaker 1>John Pepper adapted to survive, but other entrepreneurs we spoke

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<v Speaker 1>to made more dramatic changes that sometimes saw a business

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<v Speaker 1>more than double. Alex Carroll ran a tailgate events business

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<v Speaker 1>which ground to a halt when the NBA canceled its season,

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<v Speaker 1>so he got creative. It was a sad moment. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I won't lie. We spent a day kind of just

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<v Speaker 1>laying around feeling sorry for ourselves, and then we quickly realized, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>what can we do to get our employees back because

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<v Speaker 1>we had to furlough all of them. And so that's

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<v Speaker 1>when we started to think, when events do come back,

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<v Speaker 1>what are they going to need. We knew they were

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<v Speaker 1>going to need hand sanitizer stations, and that's when we

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<v Speaker 1>started brainstorming and trying to come up with, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>fully customized hand sanitizer stations. It's been incredible to see

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<v Speaker 1>all the do for small businesses all over the country

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<v Speaker 1>that will go on the website by you know, an

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<v Speaker 1>automatic hand sanitizer dispenser package. They'll buy different types of

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<v Speaker 1>sanitizer that we offer, they'll lie different types of stands

0:17:13.080 --> 0:17:16.000
<v Speaker 1>and they'll all customize it with their logo and with

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<v Speaker 1>that pivot business for Alex more than double business ideas

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<v Speaker 1>tied directly to the pandemics seemed like an obvious shift,

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<v Speaker 1>but some other less conventional ventures also saw big boosts

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<v Speaker 1>during the outbreak. Paul Salek, for example, owns a flying

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<v Speaker 1>school in Las Vegas. Amazingly enough, we've been busier than

0:17:35.480 --> 0:17:39.359
<v Speaker 1>we've ever been. Um. I think people that can afford

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<v Speaker 1>private aircraft travel have now given themselves permission to get

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<v Speaker 1>the license that they always wanted to get so that

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<v Speaker 1>they can take their family and their associates on personal

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<v Speaker 1>travel around business travel as opposed to go into the airlines.

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<v Speaker 1>So we've we've actually seen quite the uptick in aircraft

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<v Speaker 1>sales and people learning how to fly. It sounds like

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<v Speaker 1>people want to avoid commercial travel altogether and just do

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<v Speaker 1>it themselves, and it's they think it's safe in that way. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>instead of going through T s A and jumping in

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<v Speaker 1>an airplane with the hundred fifty people you don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>you get in an airplane with just those loved ones

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<v Speaker 1>or those associates, and you can go, you know, pointing

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<v Speaker 1>at a point B direct to your meeting and be

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<v Speaker 1>home the same day. And it's always been available, but

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<v Speaker 1>the cost of doing so has always been higher than

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<v Speaker 1>the airline. But now people you know, for their own

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<v Speaker 1>personal safety and those of their loved ones, um, I

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<v Speaker 1>think they're giving themselves the okay to go ahead with it. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>some pivots maybe permitted. Others are business owners just doing

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<v Speaker 1>what they can to get through the crisis. Clayton B.

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<v Speaker 1>Sean runs Kntina Lobos and Pellham, New York. His restaurant,

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<v Speaker 1>like many others, had a pivot to a delivery model.

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<v Speaker 1>It kept his business of flaw, but it's not sustainable.

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<v Speaker 1>It's basically just to stop the bleeding of cash. The

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<v Speaker 1>perfect storm was that state taxes were do last Friday,

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<v Speaker 1>and we had to make the decision of you know,

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<v Speaker 1>do we hold on to that cash and take the

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<v Speaker 1>fines um later on so that we could stay open,

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<v Speaker 1>or do we give them all that cash and only

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<v Speaker 1>have a week's left instead of two weeks left of

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<v Speaker 1>what we did? And we decided to take the fine

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<v Speaker 1>and hold on to that to try to stay alive

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<v Speaker 1>and pay that sales tax later. Luckily the states come

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<v Speaker 1>down and as of now you're not gonna get fined

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<v Speaker 1>for not paying sales tax. I bought us basically another

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<v Speaker 1>week we can have. The hurdles are high for firms

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<v Speaker 1>that old background back taxes at loans from the government

0:19:29.880 --> 0:19:33.320
<v Speaker 1>that we're meant to keep them afloat. Government moratoriums on

0:19:33.400 --> 0:19:37.760
<v Speaker 1>evictions and foreclosures are expiring in many states. The list

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<v Speaker 1>of worries is long, and many storefronts now face fresh

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<v Speaker 1>lockdowns until vaccines are widely distributed. John Pepper in Boston

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<v Speaker 1>made the best of a bad situation, using his modern

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<v Speaker 1>Mexican restaurants to feed frontline workers. He took hundreds of

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<v Speaker 1>thousands of dollars and p p P loans, but the

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<v Speaker 1>road ahead for his business is still uncertain. You kept

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<v Speaker 1>people employed, we help them figure out how to apply

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<v Speaker 1>for unemployment, and we ensured as soon as we knew

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<v Speaker 1>we had the p PP nobody will be left behind.

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<v Speaker 1>You are grateful that you did get a loan through

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<v Speaker 1>the Small Business Administration, but it comes with some stipulations

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<v Speaker 1>that really make you think about the future of the business. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's for sure. How much of this sixty in our case,

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<v Speaker 1>which is a lot of money that just sounds like

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<v Speaker 1>a windfall at first at a glance, But how much

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<v Speaker 1>of that will turn into a loan? And will we

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<v Speaker 1>be able to generate the cash flow necessary to pay

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<v Speaker 1>it back in a short eighteen month period once we

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<v Speaker 1>have to start paying it And that by definition, if

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<v Speaker 1>you do the math is going to be almost impossible

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<v Speaker 1>for most restaurant companies if they don't go for full forgiveness,

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<v Speaker 1>the amount left over as a loan will be a

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<v Speaker 1>very challenging number to meet from a cash flow standpoint

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<v Speaker 1>over the following a team months. The long term damage

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<v Speaker 1>to small business has led to frustration aimed at Capitol Hill,

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<v Speaker 1>as lawmakers took many months to negotiate additional aid. More

0:21:04.080 --> 0:21:08.879
<v Speaker 1>than nineteen million Americans filed for unemployment. Meantime, the stock

0:21:08.920 --> 0:21:12.479
<v Speaker 1>market rallied to records and the largest banks posted record

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<v Speaker 1>results at some key businesses. Frank Knapp, a small business

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<v Speaker 1>owner in South Carolina, is frustrated with the response from Washington.

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<v Speaker 1>They all know, they all know that small businesses needed

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<v Speaker 1>to be helped so that they can survive, because like

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<v Speaker 1>after the Great Recession, it was small businesses who created

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<v Speaker 1>the majority of jobs to get the economy back on track,

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<v Speaker 1>not big business. But yet all we're concerned about is

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<v Speaker 1>Wall Street. Uh, we all be concerned about Main Street,

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<v Speaker 1>and ironically enough, Wall Street agrees Scott and minor manages

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<v Speaker 1>more than two hundred billion dollars for Guggenheim investments. What

0:21:50.560 --> 0:21:54.000
<v Speaker 1>the policymakers are doing here is leaving themselves open to

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<v Speaker 1>another round of criticism, just like they got at the

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<v Speaker 1>end of the financial crisis, which is the government programs

0:22:01.359 --> 0:22:03.720
<v Speaker 1>were designed to bail out the big boys, but they

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<v Speaker 1>left Main Street behind. We have permanently done damage to

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<v Speaker 1>the job market which some other industry or future growth

0:22:13.520 --> 0:22:15.359
<v Speaker 1>is going to have to correct for, and that's going

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<v Speaker 1>to take a long time. Key figures in Washington also

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<v Speaker 1>agree with Federal Reserve Chairman j Pale acknowledging the issue,

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<v Speaker 1>and he sees more trouble ahead. They're just a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of smaller businesses in their communities that will struggle to

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<v Speaker 1>make it through this winter. COVID is moving up um

0:22:32.240 --> 0:22:34.840
<v Speaker 1>and the cold weather people are staying in and it's

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be tough. There are also frustrations aimed at large corporations,

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<v Speaker 1>especially tech companies like Amazon and Google, which have benefited

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<v Speaker 1>from the shift to online commerce. A report from Visa

0:22:47.400 --> 0:22:50.880
<v Speaker 1>found that more than seventy percent of shoppers use most

0:22:50.880 --> 0:22:54.320
<v Speaker 1>of their cash at places like Amazon and Walmart, whose

0:22:54.320 --> 0:22:59.000
<v Speaker 1>founders are billionaires and who stocks have surged this year. Meantime,

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<v Speaker 1>many small bisnesses don't have the infrastructure to effectively sell online.

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<v Speaker 1>Jeremy Staffelman, the CEO of Yelp, is seeing this frustration firsthand.

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<v Speaker 1>He also sees a wide divide and access to cheap debt.

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<v Speaker 1>Businesses need supports, especially small businesses need support. And I

0:23:16.680 --> 0:23:20.280
<v Speaker 1>think the initial stimulus package was a positive, and you know,

0:23:20.320 --> 0:23:23.479
<v Speaker 1>we've been all waiting and hoping for another one. And

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<v Speaker 1>I think, you know, we shouldn't just have socialism for

0:23:25.960 --> 0:23:29.000
<v Speaker 1>big companies where they can borrow endlessly with cheap debt

0:23:29.000 --> 0:23:31.959
<v Speaker 1>from the powered by the Fed. We we should extend

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<v Speaker 1>a helping hand to all these great small business owners

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<v Speaker 1>that are just trying to get by. Survey data from

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<v Speaker 1>the Federal Reserve shows that lending standards to small and

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<v Speaker 1>medium sized businesses are challenged. Bloomberg Sally Bakewell spoke with

0:23:45.280 --> 0:23:48.800
<v Speaker 1>bankers across the industry to find out why it all

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<v Speaker 1>comes down to one simple reason. Risk no one wants

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<v Speaker 1>to lend to a business, but really you have no

0:23:57.600 --> 0:24:01.159
<v Speaker 1>guarantee that it will exist in twelve months, So that

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<v Speaker 1>concern was taking all of this risk, and I think

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<v Speaker 1>that is why we saw at the beginning of programs

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<v Speaker 1>like the Paycheck Protection Program that a lot of it

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<v Speaker 1>went to the bigger, more sturdy, more well established clients,

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<v Speaker 1>which meant that of course, again the smaller ones were

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<v Speaker 1>shut out. Troubles for small business owners have ripple effects

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<v Speaker 1>that hit all parts of the economy. If small firms

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<v Speaker 1>don't survive, economists say workers could stay at employed longer,

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<v Speaker 1>and right now small business is struggling to keep staff

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<v Speaker 1>on board. On November, survey from Goldman Sachs found at

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<v Speaker 1>least two and five were laying off staff or cutting

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<v Speaker 1>employee pay. Romano Martin used her life savings to build

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<v Speaker 1>and renovate a thirty four lane bowling alley in Brooklyn.

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<v Speaker 1>She's open now, but operating at limited capacity to keep

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<v Speaker 1>customers safe. And it's because we just don't know how

0:24:58.119 --> 0:25:01.040
<v Speaker 1>long we might be able to stay a out. We

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<v Speaker 1>have a lot of obligations and a lot of catching

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<v Speaker 1>up to do. Have you applied for or received any

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<v Speaker 1>government aid and what's that process. We have the p

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<v Speaker 1>p P which allows us to hire our employees back,

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<v Speaker 1>but of course with the type of rent that we're paying, um,

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<v Speaker 1>it does not cover at all. I mean, we we

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<v Speaker 1>have our life savings in this place, and we've improved

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<v Speaker 1>it so much, and you know, with the video wall

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<v Speaker 1>and the lighting, and it's just sad to see if

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<v Speaker 1>we possibly have to give it up and close our

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<v Speaker 1>doors for good. That Goldman sat survey we mentioned earlier

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<v Speaker 1>also found more than half small business owners have stopped

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<v Speaker 1>paying themselves and more than a third are dipping into

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<v Speaker 1>personal savings to stay afloat. That was the case for

0:25:49.359 --> 0:25:52.080
<v Speaker 1>Amy Wilson when we spoke to her. She owns an

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<v Speaker 1>event space in Atlanta, Georgia. Revenue was plunging this summer

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<v Speaker 1>during what normally would be her busiest months. We pay

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<v Speaker 1>an average of ten thousand dollars of months for our

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<v Speaker 1>expensive is including insurance and rent and water and internet.

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<v Speaker 1>So we pay almost ten thousand dollars a month no

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<v Speaker 1>matter what, and our biggest months or this summer because

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<v Speaker 1>we have summer camps. And the lovely thing about us

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<v Speaker 1>is we hire school teachers and art teachers, so it

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<v Speaker 1>gives teachers and educators a great side huspital to work.

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<v Speaker 1>A couple of weeks and everybody's going to be out

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<v Speaker 1>of work, and I'm just going to be deeper in debt. Sadly,

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<v Speaker 1>rent forgiveness for business owners has become an untenable issue

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<v Speaker 1>as they're locked into leases while suffering significant sales declines.

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<v Speaker 1>Frank Fellucci of Sweet Catch Cooke in New York saw

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<v Speaker 1>sales plunge about you know, we were able to get

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<v Speaker 1>some of the PPP money that has run out, and

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<v Speaker 1>then I took out some of the small business emergency loans.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, eventually that's going to run out as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Until things get back to normal, whatever that new normal

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<v Speaker 1>is going to be. Businesses are going to be hard

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<v Speaker 1>pressed to continue and it's a it's a struggle. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna have to negotiated with four of my five landlords,

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<v Speaker 1>which looks a good deal at the time, but now

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<v Speaker 1>they're probably they're not workable. Is there a firm date

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<v Speaker 1>by which you have to make some tough decisions? You know,

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<v Speaker 1>I think landlords are willing to work with me. I

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<v Speaker 1>can last longer, but if they're going to insist on

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<v Speaker 1>a set round based on previous you know, pre COVID numbers,

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<v Speaker 1>then I'm out of business. As businesses suffer, so do

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<v Speaker 1>the local economies of the cities and towns where they operate.

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<v Speaker 1>Brad Close, as president of the National Federation of Independent Business,

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<v Speaker 1>When you look at the small business economy in America,

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<v Speaker 1>it's the third largest economy taken by itself, in the

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<v Speaker 1>whole world. We've created half the GDP for the country,

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<v Speaker 1>in almost half the new private sector job. That's a

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<v Speaker 1>very large swath of the total US economy and has

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<v Speaker 1>the ability to impact large and small firms in every industry.

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<v Speaker 1>Margaret and that Do runs the Urban Investment Group in

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<v Speaker 1>Goldman Sachs. A full forty of small businesses do not

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<v Speaker 1>think they're going to survive, and that is that's the

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<v Speaker 1>highest number we've seen since April. So businesses have you know,

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<v Speaker 1>they've expressed all of the creativity that they can, they've

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<v Speaker 1>moved online, they've tried different strategies about revenue, but at

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<v Speaker 1>the end of the day, without additional support, many won't survive.

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<v Speaker 1>And these small businesses are interconnected. Take James Low, he

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<v Speaker 1>runs the Baltimore School of Music with fifteen employees. Group

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<v Speaker 1>classes were canceled because of COVID nineteen and people were

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<v Speaker 1>less interested in virtual lessons. His firm was classified as

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<v Speaker 1>an essential service because schools in the area didn't provide

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<v Speaker 1>music lessons, yet his service was expendable when the pandemic

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<v Speaker 1>hit in Baltimore. Can be kind of tricky because a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of our public schools do not have music programs,

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<v Speaker 1>so we do provide some essential services. We've also had

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of our students who have been faking their

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<v Speaker 1>own economic challenges that have had to pull back on

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<v Speaker 1>any extra spending in their life. So we've had people

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<v Speaker 1>that have been furloughed or have lost their jobs that

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<v Speaker 1>have had to cancel their music lessons because of that

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<v Speaker 1>as well. And we did apply for p p P

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<v Speaker 1>and we were able to get that, so we've got

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<v Speaker 1>a bit of a cushion. The problem for us is

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<v Speaker 1>we don't know how long this is going to go

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<v Speaker 1>for There are white concerns that the pain amongst small

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<v Speaker 1>businesses could create permanent damage to the economy even once

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<v Speaker 1>the pandemic passes. Brad Close at the n f I basis.

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<v Speaker 1>It could also scar communities that see downtown neighborhoods forever changed.

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<v Speaker 1>It is something that's very important. It's in all of

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<v Speaker 1>our communities. When you look at the businesses out there

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<v Speaker 1>that are supporting local communities, sponsoring the Little League, the

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<v Speaker 1>high school marching band, doing the charity drives, it's all

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<v Speaker 1>local small businesses and that who is that's who is

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<v Speaker 1>bearing the kind of the brunt of this. These economic

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<v Speaker 1>shutdowns in the COVID pandemic right now at the business level,

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<v Speaker 1>so they definitely need help. We want to see more open,

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<v Speaker 1>but we want to see them stay open first and

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<v Speaker 1>foremost small businesses need more money to survive, and until

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<v Speaker 1>vaccines are distributed widely, we risk losing more of the

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<v Speaker 1>mom and pop firms that form the backbone of the economy.

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<v Speaker 1>But until then, business owners are staying resilient, pivoting, adapting

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<v Speaker 1>and reimagining using every level they have to stay aflow.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a Bloomberg Radio special report looking at the

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<v Speaker 1>pandemics outsized impact on small business. If you joined us late,

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<v Speaker 1>catch the full show online as a podcast available on

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<v Speaker 1>the Bloomberg Surveillance and Bloomberg Business Week feeds, on Spotify, Stitcher, Apple,

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<v Speaker 1>or wherever else you get your podcasts. I'm Bask, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>John Tucker, and this is Beienberg.